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Could Moss situation cause Redskins to re-consider Terrell Owens?

Shortly after word emerged Thursday that Santana Moss, the Redskins' top wide receiver, had been linked to Canadian doctor Anthony Galea, who has been charged with smuggling and distributing human growth hormone, many Insider readers emailed me about the Redskins' wide receiver situation.

The main question Thursday and so far Friday is this: Will or should the Redskins sign free-agent wide receiver Terrell Owens if Moss faces disciplinary action stemming from his involvement with Galea? Rick Maese explained that the league previously has handed down HGH-related suspensions although there were no positive tests involved, so Moss, whom sources have said is not a target of the criminal investigation, might face punishment from Commissioner Roger Goodell.


Moss has been Washington's most productive wideout during his tenure with the team, and he was the statistical leader again last season. Some television analysts who are among Coach Mike Shanahan's former players have suggested that Moss might not be a perfect fit for Shanahan's version of the West Coast offense, but with third-year wideouts Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly working to become consistent performers and 17-year veteran Joey Galloway coming off two unproductive seasons, it seems Moss, who is rehabbing from knee surgery, still is the Redskins' No. 1 option at the position. Although the unit would be weakened if Moss faced a suspension of at least four games, signing Owens would be a risky move for an organization that finally appears to be on the right path under Shanahan and General Manager Bruce Allen.

Owens may be a future Hall of Famer, but his me-first attitude and outspokenness have stirred problems throughout his career. Although the reports out of Buffalo last season, where Owens played after being released by Dallas, were favorable, there are many examples of unfavorable conduct in Owens's history.

After it was recently reported that quarterback Donovan McNabb had lobbied Redskins coaches to consider signing Owens, with whom he had a rocky relationship when the two were teammates in Philadelphia, McNabb quickly reached out to Post columnist Mike Wilbon to make it known the report was inaccurate. McNabb, in a move that displayed his leadership skills, also reached out to Thomas to assure him he had confidence in the young player.

Although McNabb wasn't pushing for a reunion with T.O., that doesn't mean the Redskins did not consider the move. Shanahan and Allen are second to none in their positions at doing their due diligence, we've been told, and discussing bringing in Owens, with the state of the receiving corps they inherited, is a by-the-numbers move.

Apparently, though, there has been some concern raised in the organization about adding Owens to a locker room in which Albert Haynesworth currently has a dressing stall, for obvious reasons, people familiar with the situation said. Also, the Redskins invested two high draft picks in Thomas and Kelly. Having Owens on the roster, even for only a quarter of the season, could adversely affect their development, and the Redskins this season need to determine whether Thomas and Kelly can become major contributors.

And at 36, how much does Owens have left? He's coming off career-low statistics as a starter for a season in which appeared in 16 games. Galloway, 38, is older than Owens and 2007 was his last productive season, but Galloway has not been a disruptive presence in his career to the level of Owens. Few players have in the course of NFL history.

Last season, a NFL offensive coordinator told me Owens no longer gets off the line as well as he once did and struggles against big, physical corners. There's no shame in getting older, but the risk of signing Owens, for a franchise trying to do things the right way, as the Redskins are, might far outweigh the reward at this point.

By Jason Reid  |  May 21, 2010; 10:30 AM ET
Categories:  Donovan McNabb , Mike Shanahan , Santana Moss , wide receivers  
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Comments

First - NO!

Posted by: TeeSkins | May 21, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Not a fan of TO by any stretch of the imagination, but just to play a little devil's advocate...if you look back at TO's career, he was never a problem in the first year of his tenure with a team. Always in year two or 3. Signing him to a one year, incentive-laden deal wouldn't hurt my feelings...especially if we have to roll without Santana for the first 4-6 games.

Not necessarily advocating for signing him, but I'm not really opposed to it either.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 21, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

2nd - Yes irregardless of Moss' situation!

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 21, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

REPOST: As a follow-on to my previous post, the following players who are still on the team today appeared in the Jacksonville game box score: Brennan, Malcolm Kelly, Devin Thomas, Eddie WIlliams, Tryon, Henson, Doughty, Blades, Westbrook, Orakpo, Barnes, Rocky M., Jarmon, Horton, and Landry. A picture in the box score had Fred Davis in it, so he was there also.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | May 21, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Slow news day? Why even throw his name in the mix?? Didn't we sign Joey Galloway, who shows up and plays hard, sans all the garbage that TO spews. I want to know what morons would have voted Yes to the above poll?? I mean really? Maybe you are a Ravens fans, or you hate MaccNabb and desperately want him and the Skins to fail. Or even better, maybe TO (and Drew R.) has been on the site all morning voting for himself. That would make the most sense.

Posted by: skins10 | May 21, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Repost:

Steroids from a chemical standpoint are a class of fats with benzene rings, the simplest being cholesterol. There are many classes of steroids including corticosteroids, androgens, estrogens, mineralocorticoids, etc. Androgens are the PED-type steroids.

Corticosteroids are only used to relieve inflammation, which can be an impediment to the healing process (mainly when excessive). An example would be a neuroma in someone's foot (which I've experienced). Inflammation of a nerve does not accelerate the healing process, it impedes it. Therefore, a cortisone shot would be used to prevent the excessive inflammation of the nerve and allow it to heal. Inflammation in the lungs, especially when in the absence of infection, is also a bad thing. Therefore corticosteroids (advair, flovent, asmanex, pulmicort, symbicort, etc.), are prescribed to prevent this inflammation.

The med student is right about cuts and injuries in that some inflammation there is essential to the healing process, but again, when excessive impedes it. That's why preventing infection is necessary with cuts. Even if non-harmful bacteria invade a cut and grow there, the immune response will cause swelling, heat, redness, etc., which are not good for healing and indications of excessive inflammation.

To bring my point home further, excessive inflammation in the arteries, especially the coronary arteries, causes clots and blockages. When an artery gets damaged, instead of having a controlled inflammation response that heals the damage without blocking the artery, an uncontrolled response will cause a big clot to form, blocking the artery and giving people heart attacks. The excessive inflammation in people's bodies causes an increased risk for cancer and heart disease, both of which are endemic to the US population.

To my knowledge, the only condition that HGH is legal to prescribe for is human growth hormone deficiency, diagnosed via a HGH blood test. Without a documented deficiency, HGH is technically not legal to prescribe. HGH helps muscle to repair itself, and increases the growth of other organs, speeding up the healing process. It may be "ground breaking" what this guy is doing, but it's not legal when he has no license to practice medicine and is using non-approved drugs in his practice. Patients I also believe have a responsibility to ask if the drug is approved by the FDA, and in that respect Moss is guilty.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | May 21, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

I voted yes but immediately felt remorse regarding my decision. How dare I, my apologies RI and the rest of Redskins Nation.

Posted by: Bigfoot_has_a_posse | May 21, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

No to T.O.

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 21, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

We should sign him for a one-year deal and then cut him after Moss's suspension is done. Then he'll be free to sign with the New York Giants for the remainder of the season and then he'll have played for every NFC East team.

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | May 21, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Signing TO would signify that little or nothing has changed in DC. It would be back to biz as usual with Danny Boy signing over the hill free agents that don't pan out. Fat Albert is a big problem currently and you want to add TO?? Great idea 4th floor!

Posted by: skins10 | May 21, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

talk about constantly trying to create drama to sell papers!!!!!

Really the RedsinsInsider is becoming a horrible joke. it's like a catty women trying to stir up drama every day.! Albert haynesworth is a the worst villain of all time, but he has done nothing to even remotely violate his contract. but it drama! so the Post prints something about this EVERY DAMN DAY! As long as Mcnabb is here, some whiny reporter will raise the T.O. question every month.

Posted by: oknow1 | May 21, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

It's not like Moss would be banished all season, so no to TO. The Skins may need to adjust a little if Moss is out. Again here's where having Cooley and Davis on the field together can pay dividends. If Armstrong and/or Galloway prove they can get vertical consistently, the Skins will have enough options if Moss is out.

Posted by: TWISI | May 21, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

F No to TO!

Too old...lost a step...no longer an on-the-field superstar...too big of an off-the-field distraction.
We already have a $100 million distraction...quota's filled!

Posted by: DC2AZ99 | May 21, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Yes, lets sign the most overated receiver in the history of football who brings no upside, no production (as of last year) and lots of baggage. He'll fit in perfectly with the other a-holes; Larry Johnson and Fat Albert. Great thinking, RI.

Posted by: dg_photofl | May 21, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Shanahan replied: "I really believe this: You're either in or you're out. I don't like to give people any attention that's not with us. As far as I'm concerned if you want to talk about the people that work every day, that do the little things the right way, I'll talk forever. I'm not going to talk about people that aren't with us."
______________________________________________

I cannot recall whom on this RI two weeks ago was so adamant that AH and MS have an agreement. When I suggested there was no agreement, he really laid into me. However, MS leaves no room for doubt now, There is no such agreement. MS as well as several veterans have voiced their disappointment and disgust w/ the self-centered, self-absorbed behavior that is AH.
Good Day Everyone

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | May 21, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Yes, lets sign the most overated receiver in the history of football who brings no upside, no production (as of last year) and lots of baggage. He'll fit in perfectly with the other a-holes; Larry Johnson and Fat Albert. Great thinking, RI.

Posted by: dg_photofl | May 21, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

"....there has been some concern....about adding Owens to a locker room in which Albert Haynesworth currently has a dressing stall,..."

Indeed.

Think of the after practice genocidial possibilities:

T.O. (sweaty and angry): Hey man, those are my brown-nosing reporters!

AH: Don't think so, homie. Sup, Schefter?

T.O.: Hell yeah they are. Especially those sorry dudes from ESPN. Hey Mort! Sup John Clayton!

(They all exchange dap, only Clayton's obvious lack of cool creates and awkward racial moment.)

AH: I got NFL Network reporters on lock. Jason La Canfora is my boy.

T.O.: Actually, he has been up in my colon digging for news like a mole searching for daylight since my days in Dallas.

AH: I notice there aren't too many highlights of your days in Buffalo.

T.O.: That's 'cuz I was saving myself for the after game interviews. That's what you do when you play for a losing team.

(T.O. then waves the reporters his way. They all move in his direction.)

AH: Let my reporters go or I'll kick you in the head!

T.O.: If you touch my brown-nosing reporters, I'll hide your food and ruin your sex life.

AH: A man with 21 million doesn't need a sex life as much as he needs a tax lawyer. KFC and Boston Market are where I go to get my groove on.

T.O.(obviously irriatated that he can't spend his time telling his reporters about his alleged greatness) shouts at A.H. with cameras rolling:

Listen! This is my team for the next couple of months!

Leave my reporters alone!

The Washington Redskins are my circus!

Haynesworth, you're the elephant in the room!

And as for me, (smiling buck-toothed) well, I'm the clown.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 21, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

I'd say it's a good insurance policy. If Moss is suspended for first four games of the season and the passing games sputters, a 1-3 start can be hard to come back from, particularly for a newly assembled squad. Why not sign him? If he becomes a problem, which I don't think would happen after just getting onboard, you just cut him. I don't think he will command big dollars so you're not losing much.

Posted by: macleod5000 | May 21, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Owens is older and played on a team with little quarterbacking in Buffalo. Haynesworth is no big deal negatively IN or outside the locker room. Will writers please forget Joey Galloway and concentrate on BOBBY WADE who does produce. Skins probably need Owens with or outwith Moss. I've felt if Moss have hamstring problems this year we are in big pooh-pooh. Same as when we get two offensive linemen hurt, we're likely not to produce offensively. The coaches know Terrell Owens, if they are comfortable bringing him in, I can deal with it.

Posted by: DMcCall2 | May 21, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Just say N.O. to T.O.!

Thanks to Albert Haynesworth, the Redskins already have a player trying to implode the locker room.

Posted by: clandestinetomcat | May 21, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

steve largent is the most overrated receiver in football history bar none.

Posted by: wathu19 | May 21, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Signing TO would signify that little or nothing has changed in DC. It would be back to biz as usual with Danny Boy signing over the hill free agents that don't pan out.

Posted by: skins10 | May 21, 2010 10:57 AM


How would THAT "signify nothing has changed", and trading for DMac didn't? Or getting Joey Galloway? Or trading for Adam Carriker? By that logic, we could never sign or trade for anyone with name recognition because it's too close to "biz as usual with Danny Boy".

Take TO's baggage out of the equation and look at it for what it is: kicking the tires on the best available WR on the free agent market.

Either way it's not worth getting worked up about because it's all baseless speculation at this point. Don't fall for ESPN's trap!

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 21, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

T.O. speculation?

I'd rather have another AH non-update.

Posted by: p1funk | May 21, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

But of course. Welcome to DC, Donovan. Your top receiver will be missing a few games and your waking nightmare from Philly will replace him.

Oh and game one? A rookie tackle will be blocking DeMarcus Ware.

Posted by: TheCork | May 21, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Naw, not yet mack. Didn't see your post from last night until this morning, and for some crazy reason nfl.com is on the firewalled list at my job. I'll look over it later though.

Is it a lot to go through?

Posted by: RedDMV | May 21, 2010 8:54 AM

It looks like it's the whole agreement. A massive pile of legal jargon. If Pfunk can't find anyone to argue with today maybe he can read it over and give you an opinion on your question.

Posted by: mack1 | May 21, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

brown, I don't even bother with the 'nothing has changed' commenters any longer....sometimes you can't fix stupid....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 21, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Not exactly Skins news, but kinda...from PFT:


Pennsylvania governor remains loyal to Donovan McNabb
Posted by Mike Florio on May 21, 2010 10:57 AM ET
The man who runs the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania periodically has strong feelings about the NFL team headquartered in Philadelphia. Governor Ed Rendell voices those feelings during the season as a game-day analyst for Comcast.

This offseason, Rendell also has had some strong feelings in relation to the trade that sent Donovan McNabb from the Eagles to the Redskins.

"I think Donovan won," Rendell said Thursday, per FOX 29. "He is the winningest quarterback in Eagles history when you look at our win and lost record. . . . And we are now going to see what the rest of the NFL lives with. I hope I'm wrong. Be careful what you wish for."

But what about McNabb's successor?


"I just think we have weakened our team," Rendell said. "And no offense to Kevin Kolb. I hope I am wrong. I hope he is a winning NFL quarterback. But I don't suspect next year he's going to be able to step in and take us to the playoffs."

Rendell also addressed criticism of his position that he'll root for the Redskins if McNabb's new team makes it to the playoffs and the Eagles don't.

"I think that is crazy," Rendell said. "Once we are out, what do we care? And they will get a worse draft choice if they make the playoffs."

The entire debate is a natural consequence of the Eagles' decision to trade McNabb in the division. It's a decision we'll never understand -- and it possibly will make an appearance in a certain feature in a certain season preview magazine regarding 10 certain ill-advised moves of the offseason.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 21, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Take TO's baggage out of the equation and look at it for what it is: kicking the tires on the best available WR on the free agent market.

POSTED BY: Brownwood


Taking TO's baggage out of the equation? Yes, and let's take that Sharon Tate thingy out of the equation when considering Charles Manson for the Supreme Court. Tho kicking TO isn't a bad suggestion...

Posted by: TheCork | May 21, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

brown, I don't even bother with the 'nothing has changed' commenters any longer....sometimes you can't fix stupid....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 21, 2010 11:22 AM


Apparently not...I just don't get how one can say "nothing has changed" when we have a new GM, head coach, and QB. Snyder is so far from the football operation, he was on that "Have You Seen Me?" missing persons insert everyone gets in the mail. The only way we could change anymore is if we moved the team to LA...

And looking at TO isn't an indication of Snyder's involvement...what some folks forget is that Shanahan took a level of interest in TO before he signed with Dallas...so even though he's passed on him a couple times before, it's not exactly unprecedented that Shanny would kick his tires if nothing else presents itself.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 21, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

To the posters that think signing TO would be back to business as usually for Danny...you are wrong. Business as usual would be to sign him for 5yrs/30mil. The Patriots sign old players to one year contacts all the time and it works for them.

Posted by: Rod5 | May 21, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

"To my knowledge, the only condition that HGH is legal to prescribe for is human growth hormone deficiency, diagnosed via a HGH blood test. Without a documented deficiency, HGH is technically not legal to prescribe. HGH helps muscle to repair itself, and increases the growth of other organs, speeding up the healing process. It may be "ground breaking" what this guy is doing, but it's not legal when he has no license to practice medicine and is using non-approved drugs in his practice. Patients I also believe have a responsibility to ask if the drug is approved by the FDA, and in that respect Moss is guilty.Posted by: JesusFreakKaren"

Well, that would be the simplified view, but it begs the most important question: does HGH, or whatever combination of techniques this Galea uses, produce positive outcomes in terms of injuries? Because if it does, players will continue to seek it out and use it, even if covertly. There's just too much money at stake.

The NFL doesn't want to become the NCAA, struggling to enforce a labyrinthine code of technicalities. The League doesn't want to be the Olympics, either, with a vast cheating problem they can only pretend to address.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 21, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

I'd take a pass on TO. At this point, it looks like the whole Moss situation has as much chance to blow over or end w/ a slap on the wrist as to become a "disaster scenario".
It remains to be seen how Shanny will employ Davis & Cooley, but their presence on the field together could make the WR's jobs significantly easier.

Posted by: nonsensical2001 | May 21, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Taking TO's baggage out of the equation? Yes, and let's take that Sharon Tate thingy out of the equation when considering Charles Manson for the Supreme Court. Tho kicking TO isn't a bad suggestion...

Posted by: TheCork | May 21, 2010 11:27 AM


All I'm saying is the guy has never been a problem in Year 1. Keeping him beyond that is crazy, but a one-and-done to bridge the gap between now and 2011 probably wouldn't be as bad as people think.

Trust me: I'd much rather see Thomas and Kelly step their game up and make the whole thing moot. But if we go into training camp and those guys haven't distinguished themselves, I could live with the TO circus if he gives us 80 catches, 1000 yards and 10 tds from the WR position.

And with Shanahan in charge, I would guess things wouldn't be allowed to get outta control like Zorn would let it...

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 21, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Jason Reid... come on man stop sounding like typical sports media. Moss numbers were down in Oakland, but didn't he break records when the RIGHT QB was throwing to him in the RIGHT SYSTEM even though it was spygate??????????

The guy has had the numbers consistently for years. The only dropoff occurred when he had no one to throw to him in Buffalo and he still burns one for what 98 yds???????!!!!

He wasn't the problem in Dallas.
The problem was the amount of injuries that is when the team declined in 2008. In 2007 with less talent, but the same no #2 WR they went 13-3 with media all shut up and shutdown. 2010 they had no #2, but tons of talent in other positions and healthier and yet they go 11-5.

When the SAME OL issue came up with Adams leaving the game it was Philadephia 08 revisited.

Yes the guy is slowing down as everyone is, but please don't just go by the numbers man. That is the worse thing you can do.

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And at 36, how much does Owens have left? He's coming off career-low statistics as a starter for a season in which appeared in 16 games. Galloway, 38, is older than Owens and 2007 was his last productive season, but Galloway has not been a disruptive presence in his career to the level of Owens. Few players have in the course of NFL history.

Posted by: bbg_isback | May 21, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

TO? no... um.. NO..I mean... Hell NO.. correction.. SH*T NO.. excuse me.. F#&K NO!!!! I'd rather they sign Charles Manson.. or maybe the Unabomber

Posted by: iubiquity | May 21, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Good point, Rod5. Plus it's an uncapped year...doesn't cost anything to cut him the first sign of trouble.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 21, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

I have an idea.

Malcolm Kelly is healthy and finally playing for a coach and coordinator who know something about football.

How about him becoming the next T.O.(except of course without the horrible reality show, the gay sunglasses, the two lezbos that follow him around, the bad attitude, crying during postgame, etc.)

Posted by: iH8dallas | May 21, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

bring back marko mitchell

Posted by: slim4 | May 21, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

There is no way this team signs TO. I truly believe they will sign at least one more "insurance policy" free agent receiver, but there are better players on the market that mesh with the Kool-aid Shanny is selling. Kevin Curtis has a history with McNabb, played in a WCO, and should provide a deep threat - if he is totally healthy, which I think he might be.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 21, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Malcolm Kelly is healthy and finally playing for a coach and coordinator who know something about football.

How about him becoming the next T.O.(except of course without the horrible reality show, the gay sunglasses, the two lezbos that follow him around, the bad attitude, crying during postgame, etc.)

Posted by: iH8dallas | May 21, 2010 11:40 AM


There's the little issue of MK's knee being shredded wheat. If one of the two 2nd WRs of '08 become "the next TO" without the baggage, I'd bet on Devin Thomas over MK...

But I get your point. Hopefully one (or both) of those guys makes this entire discussion moot.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 21, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

bring back marko mitchell

Posted by: slim4 | May 21, 2010 11:41 AM
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I think he was picked up by Detroit.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 21, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

HGH is produced by our bodies already, it makes sense to use it in small doses to treat injury. Why Not??? If this was 'abuse' i gotta believe the FED's would have criminally charged or at least named Santana Moss. But they have not, shame on the WP. If you have nothing more to add other than blind speculation from an unnamed source about a list from the FED"s of unnamed players who might or might not have "abused", what are you really doing other than finger pointing? better be right now.

Posted by: MajorFacemask | May 21, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

T.O. speculation?

I'd rather have another AH non-update.

Posted by: p1funk

AH non-update? It's only a non-update when he's in camp. For now, the fact he isn't is daily news and if he shows, that's bigger news. The BEST news. His fat azz is traded.

But this thread is designed for one purpose. To generate hits.
And it's working.

Posted by: TheCork | May 21, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Facemask - anabolic steroids (androgens) are also produced naturally in all our bodies, it doesn't mean sports authorities should allow athletes to needle up with them.

As far as using HGH to help heal injuries, if doctors really want to see how well it does in speeding the healing process, why not set up a clinical trial. Even the expense involved with a clinical trial is nothing compared to teams seeing if it can be legally used for it and thereby getting FDA and league approval.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | May 21, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Sign T.O.?

I wouldn't care if they did or didn't. He's a one year rental anyway.

Anyone saying that "it's business as usual and Snyder is still running the show" truly haven't been paying attention this offseason.

Like Rod5 said, if they signed up to a multi-year contract with guaranteed money up front THEN you could say that...

And when they get Moss, McNabb could have these targets:

T.O.
Moss
Kelly
Thomas
Galloway
Cooley
Davis

There is a lot of potential for BEASTNESS there...

Posted by: RedDMV | May 21, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

No to T.O. if Albert stays, Maybe if Albert goes and McNabb gives his approval..If and Only If..

Posted by: frak | May 21, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

4 weeks of inconvenience does not equal 17 weeks of headache.

Posted by: Rypien11 | May 21, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Apparently not...I just don't get how one can say "nothing has changed" when we have a new GM, head coach, and QB....

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 21, 2010 11:30 AM

Over Snyder's tenure, we've had 7 head coaches and at least a dozen QBs.

So changing those is more of the same.

The biggest change right now is that Vinny's gone, and I applaud that move heartily. But I, for one, won't be convinced real change has come until this team is playing games in January.

What happens in the off-season doesn't mean ish to me anymore.

Posted by: Alan4 | May 21, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

No T.O. ... Devan Thomas is ready to step up big-time this year...wouldnt be surprised, even if nothing happens to Moss, that by week 3 or 4, Devan is making the big downfield plays for us, and no so much Moss. (not that Moss will be bad..>Devan showed signs, and with better pass pro and mcNabb, he's about to shine). No T.O. Pleeeeeese, no

Posted by: NYskinsfan2 | May 21, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

I think the team just needs to bide its time. It is inevitable that at least one quality receiver will become available between now and the start of the season. It happens every year. The 'Skins can revisit this situation in August at which point the status of Moss will be clearer, as will the prospects for the rest of the current receiving corps. No need to act rashly.

Posted by: manlius1 | May 21, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

"I think the team just needs to bide its time. It is inevitable that at least one quality receiver will become available between now and the start of the season. It happens every year. "

That's a good point...it does happen each year

Posted by: NYskinsfan2 | May 21, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Red, P1, and psps, it looks like its Wall and without Arenas no less.

http://www.thegrio.com/sports/will-the-washington-wizards-axe-arenas.php

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 21, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

'Skins fans and media are juveniles. Chatter for chatter sake. Today T.O., tomorrow Todo. Chill out...

Posted by: Towards_Light | May 21, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

And when they get Moss, McNabb could have these targets:

T.O.
Moss
Kelly
Thomas
Galloway
Cooley
Davis

There is a lot of potential for BEASTNESS there...

Posted by: RedDMV | May 21, 2010 12:12 PM
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Red, I don't think the team will sign TO and I doubt Galloway makes the team. Galloway is ancient for a wide receiver and has done nothing the last two seasons, so I am thinking he is done. Wade, on the other hand, could be a solid contributor. He won't provide glamorous stats but he's clutch and after watching ARE & Moss drop more than their share of catchable balls on third down, I am all for a guy who only shows up on third and long plays.

I think Galloway will get dumped and the team will bring in another free agent. I am big on Kevin Curtis right now because he makes a lot of sense having played in Philly with McNabb, but maybe Shanny and Javon Walker could patch things up. It should get interesting.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 21, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

I don't care about TO, our old stable of running backs, or Fat Al, I just pray for no major injuries.

Posted by: monk811 | May 21, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

As far as using HGH to help heal injuries, if doctors really want to see how well it does in speeding the healing process, why not set up a clinical trial. Even the expense involved with a clinical trial is nothing compared to teams seeing if it can be legally used for it and thereby getting FDA and league approval.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | May 21, 2010 12:03 PM

There's no need for clinical trials. This is already legally permissible. The NFL bans the use of HGH for any purpose. It makes sense that the league does not want to be in the position of having to determine whether the existence of HGH in a player is for the purpose of PE or medical treatment.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 21, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

One day HGH will be openly seen as the fountain of youth drug. The positive attributes of it are already widely known. There are clinics sprouting up all over to give HGH to ordinary people because it seems to have a lot of positive effects on ordinary people.

JesusfreakKaren - Once a drug is approved for use by the FDA, generally any licensed physician can prescribe it for whatever reason he/she deems fit. Whether insurance companies will pay for a drug to be used for a condition that the FDA has not approved it for is another thing. Drs. can largely prescribe any legal drug they want.

I get that the NFL currently bans this drug, though it has no test to determine whether someone has used it (there is a blood test - but the NFL and other US sports leagues have shied away from ordering that). I also think that using legal drugs - though banned by the NFL - to help heal from injury isn't the same kind of egregious crime that prolonged use of steroids is. Steroids, mostly used to build muscle and endurance for training have lots of dangerous side effects and are mostly taken by people who are trying to get an extra advantage. The benefit they get may be enhanced performance and premature death. All these things aren't the same and the reason athletes use these things aren't the same and we shouldn't lump it all together as if it was the same.

Posted by: thinker11 | May 21, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

'Skins fans and media are juveniles. Chatter for chatter sake. Today T.O., tomorrow Todo. Chill out...

Posted by: Towards_Light | May 21, 2010 12:24 PM
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Thank you, Dr. Ruth.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 21, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

I posted a long time ago that if we didn’t have Moss would you be comfortable going into season with the receivers we have. Hmmm…Have to check that list again and compare who has changed their opinion.

Posted by: 2ndtierfan | May 21, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Didn't surprise me to see Shanahan get Galloway, nor would it surprise me to see him get T.O. Thing is, Shanahan will release these guys just as easily. After all, it was Shanahan that told Jerry Rice he needed to hang it up.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 21, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

"No to T.O. if Albert stays"

We have more pressing issues at wide receiver than defensive tackle/nose guard.

Shanahan says he wants to see what punishment the league will send Moss' way.

Moe says, "Why wait?"

I'd move Albert Haynesworth by trading him to the Super Bowl aiming San Diego Chargers for Vincent Jackson straight up.

The team has quietly added defensive tackle and end help while hoping some great wide out falls from the sky.

Move AH and get a stud receiver.

The jets and dolphins added nice receiving targets--why not us?

The chargers would see AH as a great addition.

They still have offensive targets in Sproles, Gates, and M Floyd.

They could use a defensive presence in their defensive line to open things up for Merriman

Vincent Jackson (6'5" 230 lbs.) 2009 (from NFL.com):

68 catches 1,167 yards 17.6 avg. 9 tds

I'd try to make this move even if Moss isn't suspended.

The redskin receiving corp is a collection of has beens, a rookie, and 2 dudes who have done nothing but show promise---three years later.

Jackson is promise fulfilled.

Pull dat trigga!


Posted by: MistaMoe | May 21, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Learned - if the amounts used are small and injected directly into the injured area, there will be no spike in the blood levels of HGH. Therefore, there is no ambiguity over an increased HGH concentration in someone's blood. In addition, clinical trials could also determine if there is any statistically significant rise in blood HGH levels among those receiving these shots. This practice hasn't been approved by the FDA, or even studied to determine its efficiency, and therefore only the amazingly rich can get this "treatment." If it really did improve healing in athletes and normal people, as proven by clinical trials, then the sports leagues would need to consider whether it would be better for sports if the athletes were allowed to receive injections of small amounts of HGH into the injured areas to speed recovery and return to action.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | May 21, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

I second the motion to trade AH for Jackson, great idea! Too bad it'll only happen in our dreams! Dreams suck.

Posted by: monk811 | May 21, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

lh, that would be what's happening. If they were to draft Wall, and still have Arenas on the team, I just don't see how a 6'4" back court will work. Wall isn't anything else but a 1, and Arenas as a 2 wouldn't work. Never, ever...

Plus, Arenas isn't necessarily a role model or teacher of younger players.


*Looking at YOU Nick Young. Looking at YOU Andray Blatche*


I'm still 50/50 on who to draft. But if they get rid of Arenas (which I hope they do), then Wall is the hands down obvious choice.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 21, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

This may have already been addressed, and the facts paired with my knowledge on the matter are limited, but as far as I know there are 3 truths to this whole thing that might put #89 in the clear. A)Per S.Jenkins article today, Dr. Galea claims to treat injuries with a combination of HGH, PRP(platelet-rich plasma) injections, styled to the particular patient/injury. B)The assistant nabbed had aforementioned substances in hand. C)Said assistant was en route to DC to treat Moss.
So they were on the way to Moss, whos to say which treatment was going to be administered? It could very well have been solely PRPs, which I believe is not on the ban list. Maybe Moss was the first of many stops. If there is nothing from tests to indicate that Moss had received HGH, then there's really no way to say he was going to be treated with it. Hell for all we know, the assistant might have smuggled the HGH apart from Galea and the patients to distribute and profit for personal gains. Unlikely, but plausible.
Please feel free to educate me on this matter as I strain to wrap my feeble mind around its slimy branches.

Posted by: ScoGrass | May 21, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Mista -- VJax has been kind of a secret weapon of mine in FF. Had him on both of my RI FF teams last year.

But I doubt SD trades him. Once you've got a WR and QB that are in synch with each other -- I think you ride that puppy. Rivers to Jackson could last a decade.

Of course, Albert is pretty low cost and I don't know what VJax's contract situation looks like.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 21, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

And when they get Moss, McNabb could have these targets:

T.O.
Moss
Kelly
Thomas
Galloway
Cooley
Davis

There is a lot of potential for BEASTNESS there...

Posted by: RedDMV | May 21, 2010 12:12 PM |

Doubt if any self-respecting NFL DB is going to break out in night sweats when he sees this list. Now if DJax were on it, the bed would be soaked, wouldn't it?

Posted by: FourthAndOne | May 21, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

lh, that would be what's happening. If they were to draft Wall, and still have Arenas on the team, I just don't see how a 6'4" back court will work. Wall isn't anything else but a 1, and Arenas as a 2 wouldn't work. Never, ever...

Plus, Arenas isn't necessarily a role model or teacher of younger players.


*Looking at YOU Nick Young. Looking at YOU Andray Blatche*


I'm still 50/50 on who to draft. But if they get rid of Arenas (which I hope they do), then Wall is the hands down obvious choice.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 21, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

I disagree Red. I think Arenaas might be a more natural 2. He doesn't seem to be as strong at distributing the ball. If all he had to do was focus on scoring he could be deadly (no gun joke intended).
Didn't he play the 2 when he won the leagues most improved player award?

Posted by: rupertpupkin | May 21, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

We should pick up a receiver after the June 1 cuts, like Patric Crayton, even though he's a Cowgirl now.

I would say that regardless of the HGH issue. We need to pick up a good WR. There should be a couple cut soon.

Maybe we can trade Haynesworth for a really good WR.

But, NO TO under any circumstance.

Posted by: Gibbs4Pres | May 21, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

I agree with Red on the "Targets" aspect, but our locker room already has an Eating Disorder, ie.. Albert Fatsworth, do we really want to add Cancer as well?

Posted by: scskinsfan1 | May 21, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

One of the dumber "Insider" blog posts ever. As for the original question, I don't you, how about you tell us?

Posted by: cali_snowboarder | May 21, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

At worst, Moss gets suspended from like 4-6 games so maybe not such a tragic thing when I believe we have a capable squad of recievers up coming and some vets. Bringing in TO would be a huge mistake. He's 36 and not worth the mention.

Posted by: MCermeno | May 21, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Is this a news site or a gossip column?

Posted by: Rex91 | May 21, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

No to TO.. and we should get rid of AH too... No THUGS on the Redskins!!!

Posted by: sovine08 | May 21, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

F^&* T.O. we don't want you in DC

Posted by: ernestto25 | May 21, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Proof that HGH causes cancer?

Posted by: Wershlak | May 21, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

NOT NO But HELL NO

Posted by: frankbarranco | May 21, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

HGH can cause/stimulate the growth of cancer. HGH induces the release of IGF-1 by the liver, which induces the growth of breast and other type of cancer. Doctors are working on anti-IGF-1 treatments for cancer.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | May 21, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Can we go by the fact that that offensive juggernaut, the Buffalo Bills, cut him for reasons that apparently had nothing to do with locker-room or off-the-field troubles? You guys who are lobbying for the 'Skins to sign TO need to just quit it. THE GUY CAN'T PLAY ANYMORE.

Posted by: rbpalmer | May 21, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

i'm definitely not for steroid abuse and definitely think if you break the rules and get caught then you should pay the price. that being said, cortisone is harmful to your body, especially your joints. it degenerates them over time. if hgh in low quantities doesn't "enhance your performance" and safely speeds up your healing with no long term effects then this should be made legal in the appropriate way. so... if i was in a position like santana was and was being payed that much to play such an intense sport and i could take it in such a low dose that it would not test positive... if the only way i could get caught was if the doctor doing it could get arrested... well then i think i'd take the risk. sucks he got busted but i surely am not upset or disappointed.

Posted by: dahlmer33 | May 21, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Thomas and Kelly are going into their third year on the team? If they cant make the plays this year (this training camp) then we should consider anyone who can make the plays. It is time for them to shape up or ship out! Potential is what kills a coach and a team. Sooner or later that potential has to become accomplishment. Do you remember Michael Westbrook? He was a beast and we waited forever for him to develop, into nothing. Everything the team is doing right now is plugging holes until the draft and free agency can provide the type of players we want long term. This year there was not enough young talent to stock our team. It will take time, but in the meantime we have accomplished quite a lot.
Our QB position is very good, Our TE's are very good. Our RB's look excellent on paper, Our OL is improved, we need developmental depth. Our WR's are unproven with a possible need of change. nThe problem with getting T.O. is his asking price. He values himself more than our team does. In spite of everything, if he was asking 1.5 million, we would have already signed him. So it is not his attitude, health, age, or ability, it is his price that is holding up this acquisition. That will be what determines if and when he is signed.
As for Moss, what can you expect an aging WR with a history of injuries to do when a new coach comes to town and does not care about your past, only your future ability. It is either find a way to get healthy or watch the game on TV on Sunday from your couch now that you are cut from the team. Call it cheating or survival. I would take a drug that helped me heal. It is not a performance enhancing drug being used to make him a superman. It may be illegal, so is speeding and smoking pot. In this particular case, it is not McGwire and Bonds hitting 70 homers and breaking Babe Ruths legitimate record. It is a small older athlete trying to hang on and remain a player, not a record breaker.
There is a difference in my mind. Is a man who steals a loaf of bread to feed his children the same as a man who robs a jewelry store with a gun to give his girlfriend a bracelet. I think not.

Posted by: 1bmffwb | May 21, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse


Can we go by the fact that that offensive juggernaut, the Buffalo Bills, cut him for reasons that apparently had nothing to do with locker-room or off-the-field troubles? You guys who are lobbying for the 'Skins to sign TO need to just quit it. THE GUY CAN'T PLAY ANYMORE.

Posted by: rbpalmer | May 21, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Please no your facts!!! TO wasn't cut....the deal he signed last year was a 1 yr deal. He is an unrestricted FA!!

And we are talking about Buffalo!!! I mean really, what kind of season did you expect To to have there with no QB?

Posted by: chicoexcell | May 21, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Why would we consider an aging, dropaholic, virus, coming off his worst season of his carreer? And how ironic is it that (if true) someone that takes an illigal substance also has the worst season of his carreer. He'll be gone four games at most. WE DON'T NEED T.O.!!!! HTTR!

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | May 21, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Absolutely NO TO in DC!!!! IMO this HGH business is hearsay and with no testing that is positive it is BS. This doc is in trouble and who knows if what he is saying is really true. Usual BS for the NFL making a mountain out of a molehill with no positive proof. I hope if there are suspensions over this that all the players involved will challenge it legally and win.

Posted by: ladyredskins | May 21, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

First, if Moss took growth hormones, it must mean that he was actually destined to be a horse jockey at first. (I'm kidding... I know that's not how they work.)

Second, TO = NO. If there's any pride left in the Redskins, it can be that they've largely steered clear of these knuckleheads through their history. So why start now? TO stands for Trouble Often.

Posted by: Andrew53 | May 21, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Man, NO to T.O.!!! We are trying to finally, finally take the right steps to move in the right direction to build a team that is at least competitive. TO is always has been and always will be a disruption. I would rather loose with what we have then bring that ticking bomb on board!! Again, HELL NO TO T.O.!!!!

Posted by: raymondhaynesworth | May 21, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

I speak for the rest of the NFC EAST ...yes, they should sign TO afterall...Mcnabb, was his quarterback, man! he was his teammate, sniff sniff! He was his boy!

chatter for chatter...fickel facker skin fans! You make me laugh!

Posted by: Incognito00 | May 21, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Sign TO now! don't wait for the shoe to drop. Sign him now, and suspend Santana from playing games until the NFL or Skins can conduct their own investigation.

Posted by: Veretax | May 21, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Yes sign TO. Then we will have McNabb, TO, Moss, Johnson, Portis, and Parker. That will be a virtual lock to win any fantasy football set in 2005-2006!!! We can start engraving in the 2006 Lombardi Trophy now!!!

Oh wait, you mean 2010? Why would we sign a guy who is a chronic malcontent, a locker room disruption, and is clearly on the downside of his career. Who needs the headaches? No to TO.

Posted by: calhokie | May 21, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Face it. The Redskins are not expecting to vie for the Super Bowl this year. Adding a one-year "patch" like TO would disrupt progress toward that goal. It might produce a one year bump in victories but proper development of real, dedicated team players will go much further. Galloway can provide guidance to young receivers that TO wants to hold for his greedy self.
NO 2 TO, period

Posted by: pjohn2 | May 21, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Face it. The Redskins are not expecting to vie for the Super Bowl this year. Adding a one-year "patch" like TO would disrupt progress toward that goal. It might produce a one year bump in victories but proper development of real, dedicated team players will go much further. Galloway can provide guidance to young receivers that TO wants to hold for his greedy self.
NO 2 TO, period

Posted by: pjohn2 | May 21, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Please no TO. Should Moss get suspended, and probably will since they usually don't write this much about it without some proof, we have enough wideouts. We have plenty of vets, and the young guys are due for a breakout and need the time to prove it anyway. Even if TO has no distractions and gets along with everyone, it would just take away from the young guys who need to prove themselves, and the Skins need to show them some confidence in them. These guys need to prove themselves this year so we can safely say, the position is secure for the next few years and work on other holes.

Posted by: skins50 | May 21, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

No...there are other options at WR or the fact that we should let our current crop grow anyways without TO. Fact is he is old and so is Galloway

Posted by: impact32 | May 21, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

TO aint worth it.
I'm with skins50 - we have enough wideouts

Moss is overrated anyway. It might be nice to see what would happen if we have a +6' receiver as our 1 for a change. Moss should be in the slot.

But TO really aint worth the headache. For 4 games? No Way. And whoever voted "yes" should be shipped to Oakland. No explanations necessary. Off to Oakland with you. All of you.

Posted by: Thinker_ | May 21, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Do 38% of the readers on this blog have the same 8th grade mentality as Owens?

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | May 21, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Forget whatever talent this dude has left, he is, and will always be, a quarterback and coach killer!

Posted by: anw821 | May 21, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Even Lance Armstrong thinks this is whack!

Posted by: ElYeah | May 21, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

not just no...but Hell F'N NO!!!

he is a cancer...

and if you think we should take him for just one year cause he is always good for one year...do you really think we would limit it to just one year if it went well? no they would keep him on board and he would poison the team in year 2 and 3...

so i repeat...no NO HELL F'N NO!!!

Posted by: deadskin | May 21, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

No reason to sign TO, whether or not Moss gets suspended.

Time for some of the young guns to step up and make it happen, so there's no sense in adding another old hand to take reps away from them.

Posted by: SkinsfaninNebraska | May 21, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

It's almost 2-1 against signing Owens.

I think the fans have spoken. The fans are telling Snyder NOT to sign that selfish bum. Listen to the fans, Snyder. If you have truly changed, listen to the fans.

Posted by: Randy_Hawkins | May 21, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

This is so much much dumber than the AH posts. Only fans of other teams, specifically NFC east teams, would like to see the Redskins draft Terrell Owens.

Posted by: Pepper5 | May 21, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Oh please, please sign TO--and yes, I am a Dallas Cowboys fan and love the comic relief provided by the Redskins over the past 10 or 12 years...nothing would be sweeter than watching TO and Donovan go at it all season :-)

Posted by: JCM-51 | May 21, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

People need to read http://terrellowensdefense.org

That is all.

Posted by: TheEducator | May 21, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Why? TO is slow, has bad hands, and is a terrible teammate

Why would the Skins want him?

he is not even a possession WR anymore and is NOT a deep threat in the slightest at his age

Posted by: Bious | May 21, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

I voted Yes, then read the article, and hereby declare a change to No.

Posted by: ChuckInSF | May 21, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

I hope that "Little Danny" does not see the poll results. With an overwhelming vote of "NO", he probably would rush right out and sign TO.

A BIG NO to TO!!!

Posted by: foreSkins | May 21, 2010 6:38 PM | Report abuse

NO. BARRRRRFFFFFFFF!!!!!!

Posted by: ReginaldSmash | May 21, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! MR.Bill , NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | May 21, 2010 10:55 PM | Report abuse

BTW,F. U. C. K. Dallas!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | May 21, 2010 11:03 PM | Report abuse

i put t.o. on my madden skins! just so you know i have had any problems between mcnabb and terrell! also i think he would love a chance to light it up against cowgirls and reid's eagles! yes it is only the 1st year, but frankly i am not afraid a few situps. maybe AH can get his belly in shape too with the t.o. abs program! just saying ...

Posted by: jamly7733 | May 22, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

HELL YES!!! If it gets us closer to the Suber Bowl... and hell with McNabb we might as well go for TO and remake the dynamic duo part duex! This time maturity will make the difference and these guys will bring Washington another Ring!

Posted by: BigQEd | May 22, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

I see it like this...we need not add any more receivers until someone get's injured or some more than halfway decent receiver get's cut..return man get's cut..in training camp....

See what they can do, as starters. It's obvious that Zorn had no idea as to what he was doing, which hurt Thomas and company....so now that they are with a real professional, they should be good...or atleaset show something....

I'm looking forward for Devin Thomas to show something.....Malcom Kelly can play, you gotta use him right...Davis, could end up starting..

Posted by: impervious99 | May 22, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

I see it like this...we need not add any more receivers until someone get's injured or some more than halfway decent receiver get's cut..return man get's cut..in training camp....

See what they can do, as starters. It's obvious that Zorn had no idea as to what he was doing, which hurt Thomas and company....so now that they are with a real professional, they should be good...or atleaset show something....

I'm looking forward for Devin Thomas to show something.....Malcom Kelly can play, you gotta use him right...Davis, could end up starting..

Posted by: impervious99 | May 22, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

As sorry as T.O. is - he'd instantly be the best wr on the Skins roster, by far. No offense to Bobby Wade or Joey Galloway.

Posted by: coparker5 | May 22, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Skins have enough trouble with 2 players.
Why bring on more problems.

Posted by: piusj | May 22, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse


If the Redskins sign Owens and you people endorse it, then $nyder not only has brain-washed you, he owns you. Open up your pockets!!!

BOYCOTT $NYDER-PORTIS POCKETS STRAIGHT!!!

Posted by: hessone | May 22, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse


If the Redskins sign Owens and you people endorse it, then $nyder not only has brain-washed you, he owns you. Open up your pockets!!!

BOYCOTT $NYDER-PORTIS POCKETS STRAIGHT!!!

Posted by: hessone | May 22, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

People who are against signing TO are probably Dallas or Philly fans. They definitely aren't diehard Skins fans saying that.

#1 ... Redskins want a Super Bowl. With 3 Veteran Pro-Bowl RBs, an updated o-line, Orakpo, improved d-line, better LBs, McNabb and TO we can get there.

Posted by: BigQEd | May 22, 2010 10:44 PM | Report abuse

i think the most over rated receiver was micheal irvin mister always be free from jail time

Posted by: rls1041 | May 23, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

It looks like someone decided to throw a bunch of yes votes in the pile to skew the results. It was 2-1 against the signing a few days ago. This poll has a margin of error of about 50 points now. Worthless.

Posted by: Randy_Hawkins | May 23, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

I do not think that the addition of Owens will affect the development of Kelly and Thomas, if anything it would help them. Why??? Because Owens' practice habbits are second to only Jerry Rice!! Look at Miles Austin in Dallas.. Do you think that he could have developed his game without the guidence of Owens??? T.O. might have been a pain in the past but his work habbits are infectious! My advice to the Redskins is... Sign him and see where it goes.

Posted by: hightek82 | May 24, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

18,000 people think T.O. is a good pick even after reading this... "Although the unit would be weakened if Moss faced a suspension of at least four games, signing Owens would be a risky move for an organization that finally appears to be on the right path under Shanahan and General Manager Bruce Allen." You freaking people are morons! I'd rather have another 4-12 season before I'd ruin a locker room.

Posted by: taylor3621 | May 25, 2010 2:43 AM | Report abuse

18,000 people think T.O. is a good pick even after reading this... "Although the unit would be weakened if Moss faced a suspension of at least four games, signing Owens would be a risky move for an organization that finally appears to be on the right path under Shanahan and General Manager Bruce Allen." You freaking people are morons! I'd rather have another 4-12 season before I'd ruin a locker room.

Posted by: taylor3621 | May 25, 2010 2:44 AM | Report abuse

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