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Santana Moss's Slightly New Deal

Hi, everybody. Just in case anyone was wondering, I didn't follow my boy, J La, out the door. I'm still at the paper and on the Skins (as far as I know), and loving every second of my gig. I've been off the last couple of weeks while my wife, Tenecia, and I await the birth of our second, so please don't start any conspiracy theories about my whereabouts. I'll be out of the mix until the end of July when camp begins, and I'm not sure what my role will be when I return, but I'll come back ready to roll.

So what am I'm doing on the blog if I'm off the clock? Well, working, of course. Pro Football Talk.com posted an item last night about the Skins having recently restructured the contract of top wide receiver Santana Moss. Moss's new deal basically offset the $6-million-plus cap hit Washington incurred last week when it released longtime right tackle Jon Jansen. The Redskins don't comment on contracts, so I called a couple of league sources to confirm the report and find out where the team cap number stands at the moment.

The team did rework Moss's contract weeks before they cut Jansen, both sources said, so one wasn't necessarily related to the other. If they were related, one of the sources said, then the Skins knew for almost a month they were in position to release Jansen, and minimize the cap hit, and just waited to make a move. My guess is that the Skins would have rather saved the increased cap space (about $1.7 million) to apply elsewhere down the road, rather than just offset the Jansen cap hit. But they finally decided to cut Jansen, who was a major liability in pass protection and probably should have been released before the start of the 2008 season, so the Moss restructure helped their cap situation now rather than later. The Skins currently have $6 million in cap room, one source said, which is about where teams like to be at this time of the year with having draft picks to sign and planning for potential in-season signings because of injuries.

As loyal followers of the blog are aware, this is how the Skins handle their cap business. They constantly restructure the contracts of veterans, converting base salaries to signing bonuses (Moss received about a $6-million bonus for agreeing to rework his deal), lowering the base salaries that count against the cap and extending contracts to spread bonuses over the length of the revised deals. Doing this enables the Skins to comply with the cap while keeping the team together, or helps them absorb cap hits from previous restructures, which was the situation with Jansen. As Skins' fans know, this approach hasn't been part of an overall successful strategy leading to Super Bowl appearances, or many playoff victories, during owner Daniel Snyder's nearly 10 years at the helm, but that's a matter for another day. That's it for me for now. And about another two months. Later.

By Jason Reid  |  June 3, 2009; 12:12 PM ET
 
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I known I'm not first

Posted by: RedDMV | June 3, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Jason,

Congrats on the new baby :)

Posted by: Lisa_R | June 3, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Well whaddaya know, me first.

For all the Madden junkies out there, while Haynesworth earned a 99 overall rating on Madden '10, DeAngelo Hall wasn't shown the same type of love.

The ratings I've seen so far, some are suspect. But if you're a ture Madden player, that crap doesn't really matter anyway. If you're a beast then you're a beast. Rankings only matter when you're playing outside you're dynasty mode and you have to play with the default rosters (if you haven't uploaded the current roster online).

Posted by: RedDMV | June 3, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

But I'm definetly, second!!

Posted by: jiza32 | June 3, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

A bit late to the party on this, no? PFT had this yesterday!

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 3, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

It's good to know we'll be paying him too much when he's past his prime.

Posted by: Original_etrod | June 3, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

For all the Madden junkies out there, while Haynesworth earned a 99 overall rating on Madden '10, DeAngelo Hall wasn't shown the same type of love.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 3, 2009 12:29 PM

Whoa! A 68 rating for Hall??? WTF???

I know dude fell off from his 93 rating...I get that. But to a 68??? Dude had 5 picks last year! He should get AT LEAST an 80 or so!

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 3, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Congrats on the new baby

Posted by: jm220 | June 3, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

o_e, the deal doesn't run past 2010:

"WR Santana Moss had his contract extended last month, adding three years after 2010, a source told ProFootballTalk.com. The deal includes a bump of $6.28 million in guaranteed money, with the bulk of Moss' base salary of $3.7 million this year and $4.3 million next year converted into a signing bonus. The result is a salary cap savings of $1.7477 million this year and $1.726 million next year, and the deal automatically voids after 2010, according to the website."

Posted by: RedDMV | June 3, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Yes, a 68 rating. Most definitely deserving of a "WTF?" Or a "daaaaaaamn".

I ain't trippin though, 'cause I'll have Hall at a 99 by the time I'm finished season 1 in the dynasty.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 3, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Dudes, all that counts is if its through 2012. The end of the Inca calendar. The day the world stopped ... or the Nats win the World Series ... and the Skins the Superbowl again ...

Posted by: periculum | June 3, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

"As Skins' fans know, this approach hasn't been part of an overall successful strategy leading to Super Bowl appearances, or many playoff victories, during owner Daniel Snyder's nearly 10 years at the helm, but that's a matter for another day. That's it for me for now. And about another two months. Later."

By Jason Reid


Sniff! Sniff? What's that? Oh yes, a welcome breath of fresh, actual journalism. Not sure the blog can survive without at least one Jason and without stories that read different from those on redskins.Com.

But you have your priorities straight. Family first.

Posted by: TheCork | June 3, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Whoa! A 68 rating for Hall??? WTF???

I know dude fell off from his 93 rating...I get that. But to a 68??? Dude had 5 picks last year! He should get AT LEAST an 80 or so!

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 3, 2009 12:34 PM

I concur a WTF!?!? Someone has an axe to grind. Or this has to be a joke.

Jason - congrats on the soon to be #2 baby......

As we skins fans know, babies are a good thing...

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 3, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

As Skins' fans know, this approach hasn't been part of an overall successful strategy leading to Super Bowl appearances, or many playoff victories, during owner Daniel Snyder's nearly 10 years at the helm, but that's a matter for another day. That's it for me for now. And about another two months. Later."

By Jason Reid


Sniff! Sniff? What's that? Oh yes, a welcome breath of fresh, actual journalism. Not sure the blog can survive without at least one Jason and without stories that read different from those on redskins.Com.

But you have your priorities straight. Family first.

Posted by: TheCork | June 3, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse


That's journalism?

the refreshing thing about the last few days is that what we've been getting was a straight report without the little diggs a the front office...

Can yourself or jason reid honestly say that the Skins havn't been succesfull because of their cap management?

Posted by: jumbo5383 | June 3, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Congrats on the new baby J-Reid!

Posted by: chrislarry | June 3, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Blogs are by definition opinion writing mixed with reporting. If RI turned into constant "just the facts ma'am" what players dressed and who is hoping for a good season than this place becomes mad stale almost instantly.

So if by refreshing you mean boring then yeah the last few days had that in spades....

Posted by: chrislarry | June 3, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Whoa! A 68 rating for Hall??? WTF???

I know dude fell off from his 93 rating...I get that. But to a 68??? Dude had 5 picks last year! He should get AT LEAST an 80 or so!

Posted by: brownwood26 | June 3, 2009 12:34 PM

Must be the Al Davis effect working here. I wonder what Randy Moss' ratings were after he left Oakland to join NE.

If everything goes as planned there will be some adjustment to Hall's numbers as the season goes on.

Posted by: Predator48 | June 3, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Yes, WTG JReid!

And thanks for the perspective on the $$.

Have a nice brk!

Posted by: DikShuttle | June 3, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

So now WaPo is poaching stories from PFT...what an utter disgrace. I can't believe I am forced to read this drivel because my internet blocks Extremeskins here at work.

Pass on JR as the new beat guy. This tired old refrain that "this approach hasn't been part of an overall successful strategy leading to Super Bowl appearances, or many playoff victories, during owner Daniel Snyder's nearly 10 years at the helm" was beaten to death by the last d-bag to pen this blog.

Yes, we know we haven't been an elite franchise for the past 10 years - the fanbase does not need the constant reminders. The creative cap management has also allowed the team to pursue top talent without slipping into the abyss of Cap Hell that so many uninformed, lazy "journalists" keep predicting. CASH creates CAP. Maybe write a column about that, eh?

Posted by: McMetal | June 3, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Why did the Redskins sign Jansen to such a large, long contract extension in the first place? His performance certainly did not earn it. When they announced the new contract a couple of years ago, I thought, "what are they doing?" Now they have to scramble to fit under the cap so that they can release Jansen, who's money remains on the books until at least next year. Wish the FO would wise up!

Posted by: rb-freedom-for-all | June 3, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

"psps, are you saying that Kiwanuka doesn't play the LB/DE spot well now, or as a rookie.

He looked damned good to me last year and the year before playing both."

I'm pretty sure Kiwanuka played exclusively at DE last season, and had a season-ending injury the season before that. He pretty much failed at his transition to LB.

Posted by: psps23 | June 3, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

What happen to J La? Was he let go?

Posted by: espilos | June 3, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

...Campbell had a 78.2 passer rating in the NFC East. How did the other QBs fare vs the Skins in 2008?

romo vs Skins 81.7
mcnabb vs Skins 74.5
manning vs Skins 74.8

On average, the QB rating vs the Skins in the NFC East is 77, essentially identical to Campbell's 78 rating.

...

(Previous Posts)
Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 3, 2009 2:26 AM | Report abuse


I've seen you post this information before, but you are comparing JC17 agains't NFC East and all other Qbs agains't 'Skins?

Here is how NFC East Qb's versus NFC East opponents works out...

Tony Romo = 91 Qb rating

Donovan McNabb = 89 Qb rating

Jason Campbell = 78 Qb rating

Eli Manning = 74 Qb rating

What truely irks me though, is how we seem to be the only team in the Beast that goes through droughts agains't teams from the Beast.

the mid-late 90's we couldn't beat the Cockboys. the early-mid 2000's we couldn't beat the Iggles. And now we can't seem to beat the Gints.

Posted by: Vicc | June 3, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

talent_evaluator

"....Second guessing the draft choice you didn't make two months ago is "way ahead of ourselves"? Maybe in the the parallel universe of SloMoeShun..."

You just posterized me.

You're Jordan and I'm Craig Ehlo wondering how you made that shot.

You came down the lane, went up over me one-handed, and dunked on my while my entire family watched in embarassment.

My child no longer will call me dad--not that they ever have.

My momma won't let me come home anymore after the "Land of SloMoeShun" line.

My wife wants to bear your kids. She'll name one, Lil Talent after me--'cuz that's all I am today.

Great joke!!!

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 3, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Conspiracy Theory:

Jason La Canfora was Flounder21.

Didja notice how they both disappeared about at the same time?

The same thing happened over the winter when JLC stopped sending in posts and Flounder never did either.

I think it's more than a coincidence that they both leave at the same time.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 3, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Blogs are by definition opinion writing mixed with reporting. If RI turned into constant "just the facts ma'am" what players dressed and who is hoping for a good season than this place becomes mad stale almost instantly.

True that,but why is it that his and jlc's opinions are always of the negetive variety?that line could have just as easily read,inspite of thier lack of on field success the Redkins have worked wonders with the cap,and continue to do so....

Posted by: jumbo5383 | June 3, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Did I say 2 weeks before the haters come out just to hate? Cuz I meant 2 days……Jasno’s gone…no difference from the posters who are just out looking to spew ……

Posted by: dlhaze1 | June 3, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

McMetal - if you want a column on ANY subject related to the Redskins, this is not the place to come. Columns (or articles) will not be found in RI. RI is for random info and opinions. yeah, it'd be nice if they'd have some news first up here, but stop trying to hold this particular information source to the same standards that you hold the dead tree edition of the newspaper...your blood pressure reading will probably decrease if you do so.

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | June 3, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Question: Why are the opinions always negative?

Answer: Got anything good to say about Vinny and Danny?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | June 3, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Got anything good to say about Vinny and Danny?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | June 3, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Vinny's eyes dont bulge as much as they used to during interviews when Danny is in mind control mode. Wait yeah, they do.

Uhhmmm... Danny has actually grew a few inches since Coach Joe left. Oh, he just put on some platform shoes... nevermind...

Yeah, you're right.

Posted by: VaBeachBlitz | June 3, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Agree. Hall is not champ Bailey but he is better then a 68.

BTW I for a weird reason loaded up an old version of Madden a few months back that had Tom Brady rated a 68.

Posted by: alex35332 | June 3, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Question: Why are the opinions always negative?

Answer: Got anything good to say about Vinny and Danny?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | June 3, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse


Infact i do....Vinnie and Danny have managed the salary cao better than any other team in the league..

Posted by: jumbo5383 | June 3, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Thunder,
That's no parody, is it? I could only take 34 seconds.

Posted by: mack1 | June 3, 2009 10:32 AM | =================================

I recommend Dik Shuttle's Mission of Burma selection as a palate cleanser.

~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | June 3, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Danny Boy should recite this to himself every single day, hundreds of times a day!!! Leonsis is brillant to say and truley do this. The Skins need this in the worst way possible!!!!!!!!!!

Bethesda, Md.: How much control or influence do you have on hiring, both in the front office and for the team on the ice?

Ted Leonsis: I set strategy-- budget and a very few rules-- George and Dick and Bruce execute tactics-- If George wanted to trade Alex Ovechkin--he would come talk to me; but who he trades for-- drafts-- who plays-- that is up to the professionals; I manage to outcomes--not to process; I have no delusions that I know more about hockey than our staff-- I am being exposed to alot--and I think I have learned more and more-- but at end of the day--if I make decisions on players or systems -- then I cant hold any one responsible; so I think it is working out pretty good right now

Posted by: Fubar111 | June 3, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

johndinhuston

"....Got anything good to say about Vinny and Danny?"


Yeah: they may have gambled right an found a decent free agent center in Ed Williams and if both J Bridges and M Williams fit in and play well, they justify their not drafting o-lineman.

Cutting/releasing/letting go P Kendall, Jansen, M Washington, D Evans, K Campbell were good moves.

Re-doing Moss's deal was a good move.

Adding R Thomas and Prince Albert were good moves.

Adding the two special teamers were good moves.

And with that, I'll remove my lips from the FO's buttocks.

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 3, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

By what measure, jumbo? What is your metric?

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | June 3, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

True that,but why is it that his and jlc's opinions are always of the negetive variety?

Posted by: jumbo5383 | June 3, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse


Question: Why are the opinions always negative?

Answer: Got anything good to say about Vinny and Danny?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | June 3, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Welcome to the land of Extreme Liberals my friends,

Here is a link to the official orientation:
(jus listen to the lyrics) (pay attention at 1:13)

Oh before Peri, or Cork take my post outta context, lemme clarify:

Liberals = Good. Rebellion agains't the Man(Snyder) is part of their nature. Snyder can't do anything right, like Bush.

Extremist = Bad. Negativity is always a part of Extremism. They don't discuss, just criticize and attack...

Posted by: Vicc | June 3, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

...inspite of thier lack of on field success the Redkins have worked wonders with the cap,and continue to do so....

Posted by: jumbo5383 | June 3, 2009 1:26 PM

And the results are a sub .500 team for the past decade. If only they gave out a Lombardi trophy for cap management. Yeah, that would be super swell.

Posted by: 4-12 | June 3, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Vicc | June 3, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

I believe that the general consensus for 'skins fan in the DMV area is that Leonsis would be a great owner for the 'skins... well since there is no way Snyder will ever sell the team, I'd settle for Leonsis as the owner of the Wizards. No disrespect to Abe Polin, but it should be vacant in a few years.

Posted by: RedDMV | June 3, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

tED IS THE man!

Posted by: chrislarry | June 3, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

On the offseason, I give the Skins a B-.

Best things they did.
(grade: A)
1. Used the top pick on a player at a need position
2. Let go of Jansen, Marcus, Springs and Taylor
3. Got Dockery

Good things they did, with a but ...
(Grade: B)
4. Got Albert
5. Signed Hall

Hall and Albert are both very talented and that's very good. Still, the Skins committed a lot -- too many eggs in too few baskets. Plus, both guys have had issues and Albert doesn't play 16 games a year

Not good things
(grade: C or worse)
6. Lost Evans
7. Didn't draft a single OL
8. Didn't trade for a proven OL
9. Played ugly mind games with Campbell
10. Didn't address P or K

Incompletes:
The unknowns are some of the FA they brought in, Williams, Bridges, Thomas and that KR from Canada. Its good to bring guys in, but who knows if they do anything.

Overall, the Skins mgmt did OK, but clearly the OL is still the issue with the age/injury history there.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | June 3, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Jason La Canfora was Flounder21.

.............

Posted by: MistaMoe | June 3, 2009 1:25 PM


Eh, No. They didn't see eye to eye..

Posted by: 4thFloor | June 3, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

I don't think the Redskins front office thinks far enough ahead to have planned for Jansen's departure a month ago. They were probably getting a little space for a QB trade and then the deal fell through. When it became clear that Jansen had lost a step and a younger, higher potential player like Batiste might have to be cut to keep Jansen and his cap hit, the team probably decided to bite the bullet. I agree with the move, but I don't think there was so much forethought put into restructuring Santana's contract. They just unwittingly created an opportunity and seized it when plan "A" did not work out.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | June 3, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

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