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Saturday Night's Alright For Drinkin'

Hope everyone is enjoying the inevitable snow day a comin' to these parts tomorrow. Seems like it always snows on Sundays around here, eh?

Saturday night was a lot of fun. As DCween noted in his comments to another thread, we may have missed a few people due to circumstances beyond our control. I got to The Ugly Mug around 7:15, had never been there before, and I had no idea it was a UCLA bar. I also had no idea that UCLA was playing Stanford, but when I walked inside, saw the bar literally packed with people in blue and gold and every single TV in the place tuned to the UCLA game and all of the bartenders wearing UCLA t-shirts, I figured we might be in trouble.

The crowd probably didn't dissipate until 9 ish, and I fear that some people may have been there for the blog gathers, but with such a crowd couldn't find me (again, I'm like 5-7 on a good day, so in a small packed place like that there's only so much I can do to get noticed yet still not arrested). Luckily as soon as I walked in and headed to the bar I cool dude named Dan recognized me, bought me the first of an untold number of Carlsberg drafts (seeing that tap on the bar was huge, I love that stuff) and we talked music, traded Western New York stories - he's originally from Buffalo and I spent a lot of time around there in college (dude, you'd better watch Buffalo '66 today) - and yapped on the Skins. By the time the overjoyed UCLA folks poured out of the place and we got a seat at the bar a few guys noticed us. In the end I guess eight or so people checked in that we're aware of.

DCsween was in the house representing big time (congrats on Baby No. 3). Haikuman brought the thunder. Flim Flam held it down. Eagles fan is a cool cat. Scott, King of New Orleans, stopped by briefly but had to run to an open-bar function being thrown by some corporation that in years past has turned into a complete debauch fest, so we didn't blame him a bit for bolting after one drink. Eagles fan seems like he's in for the next New Orleans Mission, and Scott has some really cool ideas about possibly pitching the NFL on some volunteer ventures that I hope he follows up with me in.

Dan had to split around 10 to get to another party - he's a blog lurker who rarely posts - and I did a shot of GM with him before he took off. We all scarfed some mini burgers and pizza, a few more shots followed. Plenty of revelry. A lot of BS-ing with some Skins talk thrown in. I think everybody had a great time, I know I did. Got on the metro around 12:30 I suppose and headed back to NoVa.

At some point down the line we'll definitely do it again, just not sure when given the new arrival coming to my house in the next few weeks.

Actually, the highlight for me was getting some positive feedback on an idea I have that could change the world (DCsween in particular thought I was on to something here). I'll preface this by saying the last time I had a bolt of lightning like this it came like 5 years ago in Ocean City at my bachelor party. After some people I know got thrown off a few public buses (we'll refrain from using any proper names here, like Gately, for instance) , I came with "Karaoke Bus." It would run in party towns like OC or Dewey or the Florida Keys. You get on, pay like $5 and it's a full-blown party in there. Small bar, karaoke machine, goes up and down the strip all night stopping at all the big nightspots. Lauren thought I was a complete fool when I shared my idea with her, but I swear I saw something like this recently. Insurance would be a mother, but I would be all about that.

So, with that out of the way, on to my latest idea. Don't you think it would be cool if for like Monday Night Football you could have the option of buying a feed to the game on pay-per-view, but with like Chris Rock as the color guy, a regular play-by-play man in the booth (who has to do a shot every time there is a penalty and chug a beer after each score) and then another random fan in there (preferably with face pain) who gets pulled out of the rowdiest tailgate during pre-game? Who wouldn't want to see that broadcast? It's PPV, so no holds bared. If everyone gets rocked and they end up throwing punches in the booth, so be it. If the f-bombs fly, all the better.

As DCsween pointed out, the problem would be getting the NFL to sign off on it (bad for their image and all), but I think it could draw some serious revenue. You could even do it like only for preseason games or something, you know, to actually give people a reason to watch. Hell, I would watch if you got that trio of characters together in the booth - put the same rules in place - and let them re-broadcast old USFL games at like 2 am on Fridays on ESPN-8. Tell me every frat boy in American wouldn't make that destination viewing after last call?

Randoms: When we did the guilty pleasure blog a few weeks back I made a crucial omission on the music front: Ronnie James Dio. I'm a sucker for that little curly-haired demon. There is no rhyme or reason to this - I never once played a full game of D&D in my life, have no interest in hobbits or evil-gnomes and no fascination with possessed monsters - but I am not afraid to admit my problem on the blog. I still rock out to the "Holy Diver" CD. There, I said it (or wrote it, whatever).

I was driving to Safeway in the snowstorm this morning, "Rainbow in the Dark" came on the IPOD shuffle, and I swear I listened to that song like 12 times straight over and over, the whole time I was shopping and all the way home. Now, it's cemented in my head, so I'm walking around the house singing, "No sign of the morning coming," and all the other inane lyrics, in my wicked, wannabe Dio voice, and Lauren is full on ready to punch me in the face by lunchtime. Then she catches me trying to teach Chloe Dio's patented devil horns salute (she wasn't into the hand sign but did enjoy the mandatory headbanging that accompanies any such salute). Oh Ronnie James, why do you torment my family? ...

Alright, I'm off to shovel again while the girls nap. For the soccer lovers out there, I came up with a fairly interesting Skins/EPL blog idea, so if I forget to post it Monday somebody shoot me an email to remind me, okay? Should be a decent amount of Skins news this week to chat about as well.


By Jason La Canfora  |  February 25, 2007; 2:02 PM ET
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Major snow event! The Garden Gnome of Snowcam fame must be about up to his armpits. Good stories about last night. Should have known that opposing fans weren't being smacked in the back of the head. Props to Adam for showing up. I had guests on short notice so I couldn't make it. Haven't read the last thread, did Nate and Diddy tear it up?

Posted by: SMACK | February 25, 2007 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Yes, we tore it up. We did a mini pub crawl (I think we hit 4 places all totaled). Good times! I'll let the eloquent and loquacious Mr Nate provide the color commentary, as I'm retreating to hangover breakfast.

Sad side note: my dog jumped off the bed and broke his pelvis in the middle of the night. He's a 4 pound Yorkie, so now I'm pondering what to do about this. I'm getting a surgery consult tomorrow morning, but the options are heal naturally over 6-8 weeks and suffer in pain, or do invasive surgery on a 10 year old dog. Neither option sounds particularly palatable, I'm afraid. If you're the praying sort, pray for the little guy.

Posted by: P Diddy | February 25, 2007 2:40 PM | Report abuse


I know exactly what you are going through, and you have my deepest sympathy. My wife and I have two horses, two donkies, two barn cats, and house dogs(2) and cats(3). We had a third horse, very old, who died on Thursday. It was very sudden, and he did not suffer at all. For that we are grateful.

Almost 3 weeks ago, one of our barn cuts, a sweet little boy, was severly cut. He is in our basement now, in a cushy crate, and is well on his way to recovery. However, a small part of the cut is still open and must close on its own, according to our vet who is very good.

I hope your yorkie does well. Our prayers are for the both of you.

Posted by: Mark | February 25, 2007 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Sorry about your pup, dude. I'd let it heal naturally on a dog of that age. Maybe get some painkillers for him. But having done any number of crazy things to prolong my pets' lives, I wouldn't blame you if you got Joan Rivers's plastic surgeon on the case. Godspeed to the little guy.

Posted by: SMACK | February 25, 2007 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Diddy, so sorry to hear about the little guy. I don't know what to advise. My sister's dog (a miniature poodle) had surgery not too long ago - she is probably about 15 years old. Seems to be doing ok right now.

Posted by: Lisa | February 25, 2007 2:55 PM | Report abuse

The snow has stopped....darn it!

Posted by: Lisa | February 25, 2007 3:00 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't blame you if you got Joan Rivers's plastic surgeon on the case.

LMAO Smack you know that is wrong on so many levels.

Posted by: jm220 | February 25, 2007 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, stopped up here too. Looks like work tomorrow. I'm about to go shovel again. At least it's light snow. Lisa who are your stars from the combine today? Yesterday was all about Ryan Kalil and Greg Olsen. Boring!

Posted by: SMACK | February 25, 2007 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Sorry jm220, I figured on Oscar night, a Joan Rivers reference was in order. I meant no disrespect to Diddy's best friend.

Posted by: SMACK | February 25, 2007 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Bummer about Diddydawg....Someday I'll face a decision like that about Theodore, the world's greatest kat. Blugs (blog hugs) to you, Diddy.
If Kyle, the garden gnome, were on the snow cam, he would be invisible. He's only about 4 inches all. Cute as hell, tho. I'm trying my best to make that happen.

Posted by: Cindy | February 25, 2007 3:14 PM | Report abuse

SMACK, Adrian Peterson looks good - but that was to be expected. His body is amazing.....guess he will go to the Browns with Pick #3.

Posted by: Lisa | February 25, 2007 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Calvin Johnson did not disappoint either. Brady Quinn looked pretty sick too. He might even be overmuscled for a QB. jm220 what do you think about that?

Posted by: SMACK | February 25, 2007 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Thought this was interesting....

George Michael (of the Sports Machine)did a Q&A in the March edition of the Washingtonian. He was asked about various coaches, team owners, etc. that he has worked with during his 27 years here. George was asked who he did not like.....he replied "Marty Schottenheimer -because he humiliated Sonny on the air." During Marty's time here, Sonny ask him (on the air) why he didn't switch QB's early in the season. Marty replied "Let me ask you why George Allen switched from you to Billy Kilmer."

It embarrassed Sonny. Guess everyone is NOT a Marty fan.

Posted by: Lisa | February 25, 2007 4:11 PM | Report abuse

So poking around the internets trying to find out if Springs' salary is out of line... there is one thread out there that has him getting some significant additional roster bonus this spring that would throw the $7.5M cap hit/$7.6M Accellerated cap hit calculation out the window. [of course, the site is .. suspended right now, so the information may be suspect.]
But most sites have him at $4.8M salary 2007, $5M for 2008, $6M for 2009 with a $2.5M bonus prorated each year.
Compare that with Ty Law, who I'd rate as about as good a CB, same general age. According to his deal, he has a $1M/year signing bonus, with base salaries of $3M, $6.5M, $5M, $5M and roster bonuses of $1M in 2007, $2.5M in 2009, and $5M in 2010. His total cap hit for 2007-2009 is $5.1M, $7.5M, $8.5M.
So -- without really knowing anything about either person's salaries, unless there is a significant difference between what he's being paid and what the internets think he's being paid, his salary is not out of line. And with no cap relief for him without a renegotiation, I'm not sure what can be accomplished without waiting until June 1, when you can defray the cost a bit more, and use the money to help pay Cooley and Taylor.
Either that or catch him with a little boy and use that as leverage for the renegotiation.

Posted by: cload and daggar | February 25, 2007 4:15 PM | Report abuse

He might even be overmuscled for a QB.
Smack I think he should be fine. Remember he is not going to be doing a lot of running. And if he was did the right amount of cardio at the same time he was putting on the muscle there really shouldn't be a problem.

Either that or catch him with a little boy and use that as leverage for the renegotiation.
Come on cload and daggar you are better than that.

Posted by: jm220 | February 25, 2007 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Glad the bar night went well on both coasts.
Diddy - best of luck with your dog. My furry friend got run over by a car about 4 years ago and the trauma was beyond anything. I can't imagine what I'll be like if I ever have kids. Anyway she recovered fine and is bounding about at 11 years old. The little bastrads have amazing resiliency - more than me I think.

Watched NFL Network a bit last night and man they were having a love fest about a TE Greg Olsen (already mentioned)plus going on and on about Niners $1billion in cap room. The only thing that made me feel good was that the Niners were in our shoes a few years ago so maybe we'll be okay. . . .
Also had a shot of C. Johnson getting measured and weighed. Mmmm he is yummy with a spoon despite stupid spider web tatoo.

Looks like you guys got legitimate snow. Wow. We have some rain here.

Posted by: sfskin | February 25, 2007 4:30 PM | Report abuse

BTW what is happening to the poor Broncos? Jeez I send good thoughts their way.

Also BBM restructured his contract. And what's the news on Lovie Smith? Have they given him what he's worth yet?

Posted by: sfskin | February 25, 2007 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Cload, that was awful!!

By the way, I've been wondering where you guys (and gals) came up with your screen names....cload and daggar....pulldownclaw.....dcsween....dorf....SMACK (think I understand that one) has already explained his...anyone else care to enlighten me?

Posted by: Lisa | February 25, 2007 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Well, I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'. You've never heard of the politician -- Edwin Edwards -- who said "The only way I can lose this election is if I'm caught in bed with either a dead girl or a live boy".

As the sad events in Denver show, even death doesn't offer salary cap relief.

Posted by: cload and daggar | February 25, 2007 4:48 PM | Report abuse

cload and daggar I really can't believe you are going there. WTF!!! You are talking about a child. As Chris Larry would say F it. I taking more time away from the blog. The negative energy the last couple of months have turned something that was really fun into something that is really ugly.

Posted by: jm220 | February 25, 2007 4:52 PM | Report abuse

As for the nickname, I've been lingering since 'Training Camp Insider' but never pulled the trigger on a post until:
this one time, at band camp, when Jason's cat was on the keyboard typing away and came up with 'cload and daggar' when he meant 'cloak and dagger'.
In my current job, that works on so many levels it is painful.

Posted by: cload and daggar | February 25, 2007 4:55 PM | Report abuse

jm -- a joke, a done-before, well-known classic joke. Did not mean to offend, certainly don't think it's possible. I apologize for any offense you take.
Believe me, I'm as big a fan of Springs as anyone around here -- he's a big supporter of the Juvenile Diabetes Research Foundation, and one of those seven-year-olds I referred to earlier was my seven-year-old diabetic son. So I have, if anything, a stake in him sticking around.

Posted by: cload and daggar | February 25, 2007 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, I am SMACK because what first prompted me to post here was when someone said the Cowboys had not smacked anyone, although we had won 45-14 at Tennessee. I tried to change it a few times to something less obnoxious and less capitalized, but then everyone is like where the hell is SMACK? So there it is. cload is a JLC tribute typo, I had to ask about that earlier. Pulldownclaw interests me too, it always puts me in the mind of crabs and old bay seasoning. Sorry folks, slow day on the blog.

Posted by: SMACK | February 25, 2007 5:05 PM | Report abuse

So.... how did you get 'Lisa'?

Posted by: cload and daggar | February 25, 2007 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Lisa your post Offseason Megskin during season?

Posted by: Anonymous | February 25, 2007 5:30 PM | Report abuse

jm - nooo don't go. I don't think cload meant offense.

I just thought of a new phrase for the blog if it seems we're headed into bad mojo waters. In addition to ITA I suggest we bring back "AVOID THE NOID!" from Dominos ads. .. .anyone remember?

I myself was an employee of Domino's Pizza in high school.

"Hello. Thank you for calling Domino's Pizza this is sfskin may I help you?"
I can't tell you how many people seem to lose IQ points when calling in a pizza order.
I'd get orders for one slice to be delivered or for different toppings on each slice. The best were when little kids called in cause their babysitter or mom/dad thought it'd be cute and of course the drunk/high college students. . . .

Dude um dude um like we wanna a pizza dude. Dudes! Shut up dudes! Dudes how big a pizza man? Like really big dude and like lots of stuff on it man like lots of cheese and peppers and pepper. . . dude f you I LOVE peppers we are so gettin peppers . . . dude like what kind of pizza do you have . . . .can we like get shrooms on our pizza heh heh heh heh dude! Dude listen can we like pay with coins dude cause all we got is like laundry coins dude. Dude pizza ROCKS!

Posted by: sfskin | February 25, 2007 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Hey -- In watching a second or two of J. Russell, and comparing numbers with Vince Young, Soupy stacks up pretty well in comparison. Same size, a little lighter, it will be interesting to see what happens next year -- is this the start of a trend to the huge, athletic QB who may have some ... interesting .. throwing motion issues?
Russell flicking the ball 50+ yards with seemingly little effort is impressive. So were some of Campbell's throws last year. But overall, there were a lot of throws that looked kinda sloppy -- even when they were effective.

Posted by: cload and daggar | February 25, 2007 5:38 PM | Report abuse

No, I am definitely NOT Megskin. My name is Lisa....pure and simple. I started off posting as Rainmaker - because I'm in sales but everyone thought I was a guy.

Posted by: Lisa | February 25, 2007 5:41 PM | Report abuse

So you make it rain on 'em? Didn't know you was at the Minxx too Lisa :-)

4th Floor - I work on the 4th Floor.

RE:Springs - Ok, we all know that Springs Cap # is at leat 7.5 Mill. That is about on average with most teams. It's the injury factor that's the problem....

Posted by: 4th via home | February 25, 2007 6:14 PM | Report abuse

4th - yeah, and if the choice was to reclaim ANY of that $7.5M, it'd be a choice -- but there's no cap benefit to moving on, and we know he's better than Smoot -- or Bly, for that matter -- when he's healthy, so I just can't figure out what the angle is. Either I'm missing some financial info, or Springs is one of those cancer-on-the-team-chemistry types (if they knew he was DeepCover...), or I'm missing something else.
I know injuries are a factor -- but Ty Law has also been injured, and we can't get deeper overnight, so why are we forcing the issue right now?

Posted by: cload and daggar | February 25, 2007 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Cload - I have been on your thinking from the get-go. If it'll cost more to upgrade the position, which we can't do or spend a tiny bit less for not near the qaulity (Smoot), then the Redskins best decision is to KEEP Springs. And Springs knows this.

My prediction - Springs stays with no changes. Wynn either takes a pay cut or gets cut in addtion to someone else.....

Posted by: 4th | February 25, 2007 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Yet how do you jibe the "facts as we see them" from the rhetoric Jason is reporting? It doesn't seem like keeping his deal intact is in the realm of discussion right now.

btw, is the silence of Nate a 'disturbance in the force' for anyone else? I'm afraid that Diddy drinking him under the table was a possibility, but I didn't expect that table to be too far away from a keyboard...

Posted by: cload and daggar | February 25, 2007 6:54 PM | Report abuse

I'm with ya, cload. Between Nate's absence and jm taking your old joke to heart and seeming to lump it in with some of the troll comments from several days ago, things seem a little off axis . . .

Posted by: stevie in ct | February 25, 2007 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Great. And now that last post took about .4 nanoseconds to upload. Now I KNOW something is seriously amiss.

Posted by: stevie in ct | February 25, 2007 7:01 PM | Report abuse

I suspect that the deal between the skins and Lisa's Crush comes down to a simple determination made in conjunction with the training/medical staff: they simply think he is done as a shutdown corner and will continue to get injured. You probably could do some Moneyball-style analysis of cornerbacks on 1) at what age their production slips, and 2) chances of recovering completely from groin injuries and come up with a dollar figure at which keeping Springs makes sense. Short of getting him to agree to that, the cap savings are the better bet, DESPITE the fact that for at least some number of games next year you'd have him at corner instead of some 6th rounder/Love Boat/Ade Jam-on-ay (sung like Michael).

Posted by: stevie in ct | February 25, 2007 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Unless he mysteriously pops up while I am typing, my best guess is that Nate is on the highway. This is probably a travel day for him after his weekend in Seattle.

Posted by: Ocho-Ocho | February 25, 2007 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like good news for the Skins if this is right. Weakens a division rival, especially if McNabb can't be ready for the start of the year with his knee.

Posted by: cdubb | February 25, 2007 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Definitely wouldn't trade the #6 for him but if something else could be worked out would fill one of our glaring needs.

Posted by: cdubb | February 25, 2007 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Predictions for 2007 - Defense:

The off-season hasn't been going well for the Skins, knowing they need to rebuild their defense. Franchise tags are being used liberally to keep most top players off the market. The remaining top UFAs are going to be asking even higher prices, given the smaller supply, and the Skins just don't have the cap room. (Clements allegedly wants $20 million bonus + top CB salary. Kerney wants big money and he is getting old fast.) Meanwhile, others don't fit or won't want to fit. (Bly doesn't like Cover-2 and wants to play for a SB contender.)

The Skins have to cut players to give them cap room for UFA signings - they have no choice. So here is my list:

Cut - Wynn
Cut - Salave'a
Release - Holdman
Cut - Springs (using exception to defer most of cap hit - $5 million - to 2008)

The issues of age, loss of speed, no longer effective, and injury history will be dominant factors in making cuts for cap savings.

Once the UFA signing period begins, look for the Skins to go after:

1) London Fletcher-Baker - to shore up the middle with a Fancy Dan low-hit contract.

2) Smoot, on the cheap, if he is released as expected by the Vikings.

3) Possibly a "no-name" DE at a cheap price, if one is available that they like.

Assuming all of that happens as listed, then the importance of the #6 pick as a "weapon" goes way up. As usual, the Redskins will show "interest" in lots of highly-touted potential draftees. In fact, expect them to show interest in anyone who is listed prominently in mock drafts around or slightly below them, especially players in positions with thin draft prospects. The intent is to get a team (or teams) below them in the draft to swap #1 picks and get a 2nd round pick as well.

Assuming they can pull this off (and the Skins FO know they NEED to do it this year, so even they should be able to manage it), then here is how they draft:

1st round - CB/Hall or Hughes, depending on how far down they trade;

2nd/3rd round - DE - it may be the strongest position for available players.

Day 2 picks - DT, OG, OT, TE

The restructured defensive line will have a combination of youth and experience. The linebackers will be solid with LF-B in the middle, Marcus and RockyMac as outside starters, and Marshall as back-up. The CBs will be younger and faster with Smoot as mentor (LOL - no kidding!). Safety positions will be handled by the Reaper, Prioleau and the rest of the committee.

If nothing else, it should be interesting to watch the defense get younger, faster, and probably wilder. They don't have to hold other teams scoreless - they just need to keep the opponents slightly under control as the Skins offense puts up 30 points/game.

Posted by: Ocho-Ocho | February 25, 2007 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Way to go, Terps!!!


Posted by: Ocho-Ocho | February 25, 2007 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Hey, it's a camera geek thing. I shoot TV commercials, and on film cameras, there's a little "claw" that pulls the film frames thru the shutter. Pretty thrilling, huh? What can I say, after trying about 30 different names on ebay, this was the only one that wasn't taken. I do love me some blue crabs and old bay tho.....

Glad to hear you guys held it down last night, would've been fun to be there. I had to go crack a chilly one just to read the exploits tonight.

Sorry about the pups, Diddy. We've got a 14 year old dog I literally found on the street, sweetest thing in the world. Don't know what my family will do when her time comes, good luck my man.


Posted by: Pulldownclaw | February 25, 2007 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Oh yes, and THRILLING news that Haikuman is still in the house and alive and kickin'. Great to have you back.

Posted by: Pulldownclaw | February 25, 2007 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Your D plan has more holes then I have time to type!

Posted by: are you kidding me | February 25, 2007 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Indeed - Go Terps! Because of some lame and ultimately complicated NBA rules, the local FSN station was showing a taped delay of the Rockets game instead of UNC-MD - I had to rely on an over the phone play by play from my son in Austin for the last minute and a half of the game, as I don't use IE and couldn't get the live radio broadcast.

Exciting times at College Park!

Posted by: John D in Houston | February 25, 2007 8:35 PM | Report abuse

I didn't say it was my plan - I said they were my predictions, based on watching how the DanSkinsâ„¢ have operated for years.

Trust me - if I was in charge, the plan would be very different. To me, the defensive line is the key - everything starts from there, a la Mann and Manley. (Jamaal Anderson at DE would be my first pick.) And I would find a way to keep Springs.

Posted by: Ocho-Ocho | February 25, 2007 8:43 PM | Report abuse

lh, i didn't watch the second half due to my family obligations. we're all sick. and we all have different things to make matters worse. but i'd like to think that god made the strawberry shot go in to reward me for being a man and taking care of my little family. (also for me to believe that i'd have to believe that the world revolves around me and i do).

i really really hope that CSN shows it again later at night. i'd record it.

john d houston, i have you beat. i was at my parents (for the second half)and they have dish network and don't get CSN and we were flipping from ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNews to get the "NCAAB" ticker to find out the score.

GO TERPS! Go Gary Williams!

what the heck is nicole kidman wearing??!!!

Posted by: dealer | February 25, 2007 8:46 PM | Report abuse

i love the name danskins!!!!!!! ocho, did you coin it?

Posted by: dealer | February 25, 2007 8:48 PM | Report abuse

In my book, Nicole Kidman can wear anything she wants.

Too bad she makes such bad choices for partners.

Posted by: Ocho-Ocho | February 25, 2007 8:49 PM | Report abuse

dealer -

I probably didn't invent it - I'm sure someone came up with it years ago. (If not, then I will take credit for inventing it as of today.)

I just think it's appropriate most of the time.

Posted by: Ocho-Ocho | February 25, 2007 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Oh yeah, dealer that is worse - anyway, I should complain - with all the problems you guys have seeing the Nationals up there.

Posted by: John D In Houston | February 25, 2007 8:55 PM | Report abuse

john, well i'd much rather go watch the nationals in person than on tv. i suspect it'll be 3 to 5 years before they're tv worthy.

ocho, she's a whack job herself dude. did you watch the oprah's oscar thingie...she was interviewing the gladiator dude...and dealeress and i were looking at eachother and were like they're just weird.

the miss little sunshine girl is sooooooo cute...did she gain weight to be in that film?

Posted by: dealer | February 25, 2007 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Not into the combine, but Espn News just was talking about it and said Calvin Johnson ran a 4.35 in the 40. He'll be going top 5 no doubt.

I haven't seen many MD games this year since I don't follow the terps but dig college hoop and watched OSU-Wisc today. Don't think they are the best 2 teams in the country. Neither scored 50.

Posted by: cdubb | February 25, 2007 9:03 PM | Report abuse

I'm sooo NOT a Terps fan.....

Nicole Kidman looks smashing! Gorgeous dress.

Posted by: Lisa | February 25, 2007 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Ocho -- so what would you do that's drastically different?
I agree with you on Springs, and you say Anderson I say Branch which represents two different ways of addressing the same basic goal; I think you can pencil in Fletch at MLB; and it'd be great to upgrade at DB within the constraints of what's available.

Posted by: cload and daggar | February 25, 2007 9:27 PM | Report abuse

lisa, would you like to put a friendly wager on that dress? 6 cheeseburgers @ matchbox if it's not named "best dress" tomorrow?

it looked like she was wearing a noose around her neck. also i didn't get the "soooo not a terp fan" comment. either you're a fan or don't care. but if you're "sooooooo NOT" means you HATE them. *GASP* lisa, how could you?!!! i thought you were incapable of that H word?

Posted by: dealer | February 25, 2007 9:47 PM | Report abuse

dealer it was a great game. Maryland played with a lot of grit and heart. Frasor missing that wide open layup was huge. Terps hit two threes and what should have been a twelve pt lead was now a 4 pt lead and the rest is history.

cload, you can't compare Springs' deal to Law's current deal. Law is at the end of the road. Chiefs probably don't intend to keep him more than the one season he played just like the Jets. He's not likely to see any more than last year's salary and his signing bonus. As has been reported, the 'Skins signed their 2004 FAs with the thought that three years would be enough to get it done. Springs signed a 6 yr $31+ mill deal with a $13+ mil signing bonus leaving almost nearly $18 mill in salary. He's still due nearly $16 mill in salary. So for the first three years of the deal he was making a few hundred thousand annually and counting no more than $3 mill against the cap.

Posted by: LH | February 25, 2007 9:49 PM | Report abuse

cdubb, Wisconsin is a grind it out, work the shot clock, defensive team. They want the score to be low. They will be a load come tournament time.

Posted by: LH | February 25, 2007 9:52 PM | Report abuse

i like the redskins

Posted by: ♂ | February 25, 2007 9:53 PM | Report abuse

but my brothers, we are not going to win for a long time. i'll see you revolutionaries later. peace

Posted by: ♂ | February 25, 2007 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Danskins is the name of a manufacturer of tights and other dance-type stuff.

Posted by: LH | February 25, 2007 9:56 PM | Report abuse

lh -- ok, but who do you compare Springs to? I thought the comparison was valid because they were both considered near-top ten shutdown-style corners, 10+ years of experience [Law is older but has missed less time overall]. I'm just trying to figure out whether Springs' deal for 2007 is outrageous, and if so what it should be -- more because I can't figure out what's going on than anything else. As far as I know, they haven't asked me to join the negotiations...

Posted by: cload and daggar | February 25, 2007 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Sorry I missed both Pub events . . .

Still game for a pib crawl where all bars are 8K above MSL the next time some team worth seeing from DC makes its way out to denver for a meaningful event . . .

The terps sure are getting it done and gotta give my Hoyas some love too, not too bad either . . .

Sorry for another drive-by post, back to real world for another few weeks. . .

Keep the mad theories comin', as this is the only entertaining way I have to stay up on what could, may and will be in skinsland!

Posted by: skinsfan@8KaboveMSL | February 25, 2007 10:04 PM | Report abuse

nice meeting the folks who were there last night. someone should plan another outing soon. sounds like i left before the party started. hasta.


Posted by: dan | February 25, 2007 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ♂

Dude, is that Prince blogging with us?
Thought he'd be a Vikings fan.

Posted by: Diesel | February 25, 2007 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Dealer, yes it's true I actually do "intensely dislike" the Terps....Hate to say the "hate" word.

First, I think their name's a turtle....what's up with all the strange names in this area.....Terrapins....Hokies, etc.?

But the main reason I can't stand them is that no matter what happens to their, lose or draw....the students torch the "town." Real big turnoff.

Posted by: Lisa | February 25, 2007 10:28 PM | Report abuse

sfskin, can i borrow your soapbox for a sec. and chris larry for your fav. phrase....

F hollywood!!!! for giving the oscar to the global warming movie. enough already! like my main man Rock said once: "know your place!!!". didn't you f-ed up people learn anything in the past 8 years???

celine's ears are bleeding and eyes are going blind.

gwenyth's dress was nice...not too many head turners...though.

anyone else notice the diss by jennifer hudson of beyonce?

lh, i wish i had been there.

clint eastwood is soooooooooo cool.

Posted by: dealer | February 25, 2007 11:00 PM | Report abuse

I adore Vice President Gore, and have for years. When I was a kid, I stuffed envelopes for his 1988 campaign and ran into him a few times then and since. He is unbelievably decent and worthy of respect.

Global warming is a serious issue, and celebrities, as vapid and ridiculous as they can be, are afforded an extraordinary platform in our culure. For them to ignore that platform and focus on hair and makeup would be highly irresponsible. I'm not asking them to think of important things (that might be asking too much), I'm asking them to do what they do: put their voice and image on ideas that people far smarter than them conjure up.

Clint Eastwood rocks. But he should have worn his glasses :-)

Celine Dion: evil.
Penelope Cruz: yummy.
Nicole Kidman: she can wear anything she damn well pleases.

Posted by: P Diddy | February 25, 2007 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and before the Tom Shales of the world tell me how I should be thinking, I just want to say that I love the job Ellen Degeneres is doing tonight.

Posted by: P Diddy | February 25, 2007 11:09 PM | Report abuse

Sheesh, I swear I'm still feeling the effects of that one beer, right now. I'm total garbage at this drinking thing. P-Did, Nate, how do you keep up at this sort of thing, anyway? :P

Just wanted to at least come on and mention that it was a pleasure to be able to put some faces to names last night. Haiku, DCsween, Dan, Adam/Eaglesfan, and not least of all, Jason - it was a joy.

Of course, with what Jason was saying as we were leaving the bar ... that was not so much a joy. Almost wanted a second beer after that one. :)

Posted by: FlimFlam | February 25, 2007 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Cload, you can compare Springs to Law going forward if Springs is let go. He will get a big signing bonus but won't play for the team that signs him for more than a year or two tops. My point about comparing cap numbers is that neither guy is going to be paid the $5 mill or more a year in salary (not counting bonus) they were due.
Here are cornerback #s (including prorated bonus figure) I found on the internets. Can't attest to accuracy but they seem correct when check against other info. I think the Broncos want Champ to restructure.

Champ Bailey CB 8,998,100
Chris McAlister CB 8,407,082
Charles Woodson CB 7,250,000
Nate Clements CB 7,226,000
Quentin Jammer CB 7,070,834
Ronde Barber CB 6,784,000
Ricky Manning CB 6,491,765
Samari Rolle CB 5,200,000
Rashean Mathis CB 5,134,000
Dre' Bly CB 5,100,000

Posted by: LH | February 25, 2007 11:15 PM | Report abuse

FlimFlam, stop teasing...
LH -- so who on that list do you compare Springs with? And what does that mean regarding whether you cut or trade him?
If you get no benefit from cutting before June 1 (and very little after) -- are you getting any benefit from holding on for one more year?
I swear, it gets so twisted around trying to make decisions when you're balancing salary, cap hit, injury, and performance in a profession where there are maybe 20 people who can do the job...

Posted by: cload and daggar | February 25, 2007 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Eastwood rules. Ellen is doing a good job, but I almost forget she is hosting - her appearances are so infrequent. The dearly departed montage is always kinda sad, Peter Boyle jeesh.

Posted by: SMACK | February 25, 2007 11:48 PM | Report abuse

The perfect Oscar host is someone you don't remember hosted.

Though I will say that Bill Crystal in 1992 (I think), the year Jack Palance won, was awesome. His running gags the rest of the night about Jack Palance were priceless, and obviously unscripted.

Posted by: P Diddy | February 26, 2007 12:21 AM | Report abuse

I'm real happy for Marty. I own maybe 7 DVD's, and two of them are The Last Waltz and Goodfellas. Finally!

Posted by: SMACK | February 26, 2007 12:24 AM | Report abuse

Gee, I guess I wasn't missed last night afterall?ha!

Sorry I didn't post-up!

Posted by: Pink C.C.- | February 26, 2007 12:33 AM | Report abuse

The Diamondback Terrapin (Malaclemys terrapin) was made the State reptile and official mascot of the University of Maryland College Park in 1994 (Chapter 476, Acts of 1994; Code State Government Article, sec. 13-313). As mascot (also known as Testudo), the Terrapin, however, has been affiliated with the University's athletic program since 1933.

Posted by: Ocho-Ocho | February 26, 2007 3:51 AM | Report abuse

What would I do different?

If I was running the team, I would:

1) Hire a GM who has real power. (Gibbs can retire again if he doesn't like it.)

2) Sign Fletcher-Baker to a reasonable contract as a short-term fix.

3) Trade down as much as possible and gain extra picks for this year and/or next year. Draft the best available CB on the board if Branch, Okoye and Anderson are gone.

4) Announce to the fans that it is time to rebuild the RIGHT way.

5) After signing draft picks to "slotted" contracts and undrafted as many free agents as possible to minimum contracts, I would use any available salary cap to start retiring older, expensive players and terminating UFA mistakes (BLloyd would be first).

6) Any increase in salary cap in 2008 would be used to re-sign players like Cooley and also be used to terminate non-contributors, through accelerated cap hits.

7) After another bad season in 2007, use the top-5 draft pick in 2008 to select Derrick Harvey (Florida) at DE.

The DanSkins model doesn't work - it's time to change to a model that will.

Posted by: Cload | February 26, 2007 4:17 AM | Report abuse

Sorry, Cload - that was supposed to be FROM me, TO you.

Posted by: Ocho-Ocho | February 26, 2007 4:45 AM | Report abuse

Since Snyder hasn't hired me as a GM-type consultant, I would do the following:

1) Sign Fletcher-Baker (this appears to be a foregone conclusion, according to various news sources). If you are starting Golsten and Montgomery at DT, you need a solid MLB behind them.

2) Interview all of the following and sign the best player available for the lowest price:

Available Free Agent Cornerbacks

Roc Alexander, RFA, Denver Broncos
Jordan Babineaux, RFA, Seattle Seahawks
Jason David, RFA, Indianapolis Colts
Randall Gay, RFA, New England Patriots
Nick Harper, UFA, Indianapolis Colts
David Macklin, UFA, Arizona Cardinals

3) Draft Jamaal Anderson to start at DE, along with Carter. Cut those who have no future value (age/health).

4) Assemble the best available secondary from the players who are signed.

5) Adjust the defensive schemes to match the talents of the starters.

6) Pray alot, and often.

Posted by: Ocho-Ocho | February 26, 2007 5:02 AM | Report abuse



One of the hot rumors in Indy is that Bills linebacker London Fletcher already has struck a deal with the Washington Redskins.

Fletcher, a nine-year veteran who has played with the Rams and the Bills, was believed to be a target of the Redskins and the Lions, and possibly others.

Of course, even if the 'Skins and Fletcher have a deal, it doesn't mean that the arrangement is binding. Since any contact between a pending free agent and a different team is prohibited, there can be no binding contract at this point.

Last year, it was widely believed that the Eagles had an agreement in principle with center LeCharles Bentley, who made a beeline for Cleveland once the free-agency period started.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 26, 2007 5:05 AM | Report abuse

Good article on DEs in the upcoming draft.

Posted by: Ocho-Ocho | February 26, 2007 5:10 AM | Report abuse

Hello all. I'm glad Saturday night was cool. Wish I could have been there.

Sorry about the pup, Diddy, hope everything works out.

Jason, there's nothing wrong with Dio. Who couldn't love a rainbow obsessed midget singing about elves and plus-four shields.

I didn't watch the Oscars last night because I hate actors almost as much as I hate politicians, but it's nice to see Martin S. finally got his props. the Departed was a great film (I'm a sucker for a feel good ending, lol).

I'm sorry to say that I don't think the Danskins are going anywhere. The Danny is hell bent on proving he can win his way and to quote Reese from the Terminator - It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead or win the super-bowl. Which do you think will happen first?

Posted by: etrod | February 26, 2007 7:41 AM | Report abuse

P Diddy, sorry to hear about the pooch. I used to work in a vet clinic; I know you have some agonizing choices. For me, the balance has always been about the pain/misery to the animal associated with recovery and rehad, as well as chances for a similar quality of life. [Note: If you do opt for the surgery, however, I recommend you start negotiations on restructuring his contract.]

Name - not clever. I live in DC. The first syllable of my last name is Sween.

Jason's idea. [btw, the setup for this was like this: Jason "I had two ideas yesterday." Haikuman, "Only two ideas all day?" Jason, "Yes, and it was a good day."] The idea is to alleviate the problem associated with watching a game accompanied by moron announcers/color commentary. Personally, I really enjoy Al Michaels/John Madden; every other team combined scores a collective C minus. Anyway, Jason's idea, which is awesome, is to open up the audio track to the free market, e.g., one guy who knows the game, one comedian (preferrably a little blue, like Chris Rock, or the late Redd Foxx), and two juked out opposing fans. Hilarious. Now I'm thinking the whole thing could be peddled as streaming audio via a laptop. The trickier part is getting the video that goes with it ... the picture in picture of the booth. Also might be a problem with the NFL to get them a booth at the stadium. This should happen. Theisman and his likes must be stopped. Personally, I'd pay to hear Parcells call a game. Add Dave Chapelle and I sign up for a season.

Posted by: dcsween | February 26, 2007 7:43 AM | Report abuse

cload, the 'Skins decision re Springs is not about whether his salary is out of line with comparable players. It's a cap mgmt issue. Salaries in the NFL are illusory b/c contracts aren't guaranteed; signing bonuses are king. The cap situation here is so bad that there is no reasonable way (from both sides' point of view) to restructure Springs' deal. The 'Skins barely have enough to sign FAs and rookies so salaries have to be cut. Springs' approx $5 mill in comp wouldn't mean as much to say the 49ers, Packers or Cardinals who have more than $25 mill in cap space.

Posted by: LH | February 26, 2007 8:22 AM | Report abuse

Sometimes we look at the actions of others and find it difficult to understand what motivates them. But we are all doing the best we can with the information we currently have. We have all been taught how to see the world from the examples of those around us and by our experiences. Keeping this in mind, we can accept the choices made by others while seeking ways to increase the world's level of consciousness as a whole.

Our different levels of consciousness are like the developmental stages of children, whose understanding varies according to their age and experience. For example, the behavior of a two-year-old who doesn't want to share can be understood as a phase of his social education, whereas a 16-year-old who behaves in the same manner would be thought to be acting childish. It is important to remember that we are each on our own unique path. So our job is not to judge others but to shift the balance of understanding in the world by increasing our own.

Every thought we have and action we take becomes part of the collective energy of the planet. When we use our energy to bring light into the world, it combines with the light brought by others to dispel the darkness. Though we live in a world of duality, which helps us to experience the material plane, we don't need to experience extremes to understand them. We can share our experiences and understanding with others not from a place of condescension but of connection. When the entire family of humanity understands that each of our thoughts, choices, and actions affect us all, we will share an incredible level of consciousness-one that puts our oneness above all else and helps us evolve into higher expressions of our spiritual selves. Remember the next time you witness an action of another that they are of the same earth as you but simply on a different conscious level at this point in their life. Find compassion, bless them, and move along your day in grace.

Posted by: jm220 | February 26, 2007 8:24 AM | Report abuse

Diddy sorry about your dog, I know that can be very rough and I know you will make a humane and compassionate descion that is right for you and your dog.

But have to take issue on Ellen...SHE SUCKED!!!!!!!!

And Nicole Kidman?!?!?! She looks like the handpuppet Madam from the early 80' sitcom/hollywood squares fame...gross...

Penelope Cruz....yes yum

Celine...OMG please retire!

Posted by: chris Larry | February 26, 2007 9:11 AM | Report abuse

And Nicole Kidman?!?!?! She looks like the handpuppet Madam from the early 80' sitcom/hollywood squares fame...gross...

Anyone else working from home today?

Posted by: jm220 | February 26, 2007 9:14 AM | Report abuse

jm220, thanks ... good words ... for a second, I thought it was going to be loco mullin, but reading into it, I'm thinking it is a follow-up on some of the stuff from yesterday. So many waves of negativity in the world today ... maybe its always been that way ... I try to be like water, let the waves just pass through, but maintain my molecules. Some days, I'm a pond. Somedays, a tsunami. Today here in DC, I'm mostly just slush.

Posted by: dcsween | February 26, 2007 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Am I the only one worried about Nate? It's been two days and no post from him.

Posted by: jm220 | February 26, 2007 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Alas, I'm not working from home today. Surprisingly enough, the DC government did a miraculous job on the streets and sidewalks last night.

Posted by: Lisa | February 26, 2007 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Well Lisa I really could have gone in. But just didn't feel like it. And I am not getting anything done right now. LOL

Posted by: jm220 | February 26, 2007 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Sorry I missed the party. If you guys ever make up to providence we'll have to hook up.

My thoughts on Springs. It probbally has to do with the skins going to him to redo his deal ( given his high number) and being surprised that he doesn't want to help. So now its a staring contest. They need relief now, but without his help do not get much by releasing him this year. he knows that and with all the money floating around he is pretty sure some one will pay him.

I won't lose any sleep if he goes.Put him in my good guy, good player, wrong guy (at this price)category. His older, hurt often and expensive.We need younger faster healhty hungry players on D.Fans and teams alike feel like so and so is important Because he is such a great player,very very few are irreplaceable usually only the very best QB's who don't play system football (ie west coast O) are.

Springs while I won't say dime a dozen is hardly irreplaceable and if he's not gone this year certainly he is gone next. Like I said before better to be a year early than a year late

Posted by: Old School | February 26, 2007 9:55 AM | Report abuse

I almost lost my voice screaming at the Terps from my family room. Exhausting but exhilirating. Next up Duke.

Posted by: Mad Dog | February 26, 2007 9:56 AM | Report abuse

So how much did it end up snowing in DC?

Posted by: monkalicious | February 26, 2007 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Old School, I agree with you totally that the Skins probably approached (however briefly) Springs about restructuring and he was not high on the prospect. I read in the Washington Times that he said no one has contacted him in a long time. I can understand his hesistancy in restructuring seeing that he helped out last off season and the Skins cut Clark and Harris and went out and spent tons of $$$ on Lloyd and Archuleta - and we sucked.

So go ahead Skins....let my man Springs will come back to bite you. He will play lights out with another team and be at the Pro Bowl along with Walt Harris.

Posted by: Lisa | February 26, 2007 10:15 AM | Report abuse

I totally agree about Springs Old School. The guy has been hurt more than not. We need young, fast and healthy. I love the guy and the way he plays. The D was 10 times better with him in, but that was less than half the year. His and Portis' early injuries killed the season.

Posted by: monkalicious | February 26, 2007 10:22 AM | Report abuse

"So go ahead Skins....let my man Springs will come back to bite you. He will play lights out with another team and be at the Pro Bowl along with Walt Harris."

Lisa, we all know the guy can play, but you have to be healthy and on the field. What's to say he won't be as injury prone next year as the past two. When bodies start breaking down, they break down more and more often. The guy is done. Time to cut bait and find new. Get a jersey and a poster girl cause that's all your gonna have left.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 26, 2007 10:25 AM | Report abuse

I have a thought about Dockery based on my same thought about Adalius Thomas ... that the Skins and the Ravens are holding off on their respective offers awaiting to see the value that the free market assigns to them. Depending that number, I think each team is likely to match it ... hoping that the player would just as soon forego the need to uproot his home and family for a move to another city. The caveat is that, if there are any OTHER teams out there ready to overpay (like the Skins repeatedly have done), then the player goes.

Posted by: dcsween | February 26, 2007 10:33 AM | Report abuse

I agree with dcsween on Dockery. The issue with the 'wait and see' approach is that usually after waiting, you see the player leave. I'd prefer to see him locked up before free agency starts.

I don't think he deserves top dollar and he's not the best guard in the league. But messing up the continuity in the best unit over the past 2-3 seasons is not what this team needs. That needs to be taken into consideration.

Also, nobody was crying when we let Walt Harris go. He was terrible 05. The fact that he had a great season in 06 is moot. He didn't work out for us and he did for another team. Good for him that he found a home, but I don't miss him here.

I think that Mr. eye-candy will get big money from another team and he will be a stud--until he gets hurt. That's the conundrum for the we want a Pro-bowler for half a season or a solid contributor for a full season? If we keep him at his current price, we won't be able to afford any depth, thus Ade Jimoh will replace him when he's hurt. (If I'm not mistaken, Ade Jimoh is swahili for pass interference.)

Posted by: etrod | February 26, 2007 10:47 AM | Report abuse


Hope our O does go for like 30 a game. I think we will be much improved in year #2 of mad Al's attack with Gibbs Influence ie Power running, to set up the big play passing attack.

Campbell just needs to work on timming and some accuracy on some of the routine plays he missed last year, other than that just keep on keepn on.That's what makes this a glass half full situation. Offensively we do lots of things well and are likely to improve with:

Portis back and motovated.
Campbells developement
coaching emphasis on and solid special team play
Having an offensive identity from day one

Thats what we have, this is what we need:

Impact from our front seven. We add Rocky Mac, #6 DE,Ian Baker Finch at MLB

Secondary to be on the same page

Arch playing in situations where he is an asset not an a#$.

Llyod to step up( i think he will)

A young 4th receiver to emerge.

notice no mention of dock, springs, brunello etc they are with us or not don't think it matters either way. If the above happens it will be a good playoff contending type season in DC.

Posted by: Old School | February 26, 2007 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Old School, also forgot that, during the offseason, Betts needs to carry a football around with him 24-7. Whoever taught TiVi Barber how to not fumble (or at least, fumble less) needs to be Betts' tutor.

Posted by: dcsween | February 26, 2007 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Not that I am biased or anything, but if we could trade down to get Moss and get another pick, that would be great for me. He might be a little light, but could easily bulk up, he has the size. Thanks for the link to that page Ocho-Ocho.

Those two may be the top of the deep class, but there are more. Florida's Jarvis Moss might be the fastest edge rusher of all the ends. At 6-6, 245 pounds, he is a little light, but he has the frame to add weight.

His play in the national championship against Ohio State really opened a lot of eyes to his speed.

"The way he rushes the passer and uses his speed and the way he glides reminds me of Julius Peppers," said one AFC coach.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | February 26, 2007 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Plus we wouldnt have to pay him as much as the other "top two" DE's, grab another pick if we trade down and get a DL to help our line.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | February 26, 2007 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Etrod - That's why I say we keep Springs. Learn from Histooory...

Posted by: 4th | February 26, 2007 11:20 AM | Report abuse

I see the DE in KC (J. Allen) wants a trade. This is the type of player the Skins should go after: young, hungry, and affordable.
I wonder if we could ship Springs and Lloyd to KC for Allen? Probably not.
But if we get Allen at DE to go along with Carter, and draft Branch at DT to rotate along with Griff, Joe, and Golston, with Fletcher-Butcher-Baker-Candle Stick Maker at MLB and Smoot/Rogers at CB... that should be enough talent for Double G to work with, no?

Posted by: Diesel | February 26, 2007 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Old School,
Gotta love your optimism already bra. Here we go into the best team in offseason scenarios. PLAYOFFS, PLAYOFFS!!!

OK OK, I agree, but of course, I am biased. I like the direction the O is going. I agree that Arch needs to be utilized, Lloyd, not so positive about, he needs an "attitude adjustment", right Chris Larry!!!

I honestly feel that we do have the makings of a championship team here. Last season was another learning year with mad Al and JG getting on the same page. Switch to Brunnell was again way too late, and hopefully Grilliams has learned his lessons. As I have stated before, I have faith in him. I could honestly see a drastic turnaround here just because I feel the team way underperformed last year as a whole organization.

Posted by: monkalicious | February 26, 2007 11:30 AM | Report abuse

"I see the DE in KC (J. Allen) wants a trade. This is the type of player the Skins should go after: young, hungry, and affordable."

Not going to happen - he's a "bad character" guy. The Redskins already have BLloyd for that category.

Posted by: TW | February 26, 2007 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Did Diddy do a Dahmer on Nate? Or is it "weird" between them now after a night of drinks?

Posted by: LH | February 26, 2007 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Hmmmmm. Did my friends and I kill Nate?

I'm pretty sure Sgt. Greene wasn't feeling too well. You have to accept the fact that if you show up in a frat boy bar on Saturday night in full military uniform, people are going to be buying you many, many, many shots.

My crazy Aussie friend ended up taking two Ambien last night, but refused to go to bed. He ended up at my bar pondering the meaning of life.

Yo, Nate, where you at?

Posted by: P Diddy | February 26, 2007 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Gotta say, Nate hung in there. I thought it would be one of those typical married guy deals where he does a couple of drinks and goes home. He was on his game from the get-go.

Posted by: P Diddy | February 26, 2007 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Nate & 4th - just catching up on posts from Friday - rarely blog at home. About the Crosby the kicker from CU - I considered tha altitude as well but as someone noted he did hit a 58-yarder in Miami so he can do it at lower altitudes as well - I'm not a big fan of drafting kickers but the skins need one and if they do trade down for more picks he might be a good option in round 3 or later. Personnally I'd rather they take Branch, Adams or Anderson at #6 - top DE/DTs are too hard to come by - DE's especially.

My two cents on the Oscars - Ellen was great, good for Scorcese, loved Gore, and Penelope Cruz was stunning - as usual.

Posted by: skinswest | February 26, 2007 11:59 AM | Report abuse

So much for signing him to a reasonable contract....from Peter King.

6. Free-agency is going to be insane. I think some team is going to pay Daniel Graham, a blocking tight end, $5 million a year. I think some team (rumored to be Washington, reported Sunday night) is going to pay London Fletcher-Baker $6 million a year. I think some team might pay Tampa Bay defensive end Dewayne White (60 career games, 14 sacks) $7 million a year.

Posted by: cdubb | February 26, 2007 12:06 PM | Report abuse


they had a little competion on Espn for Kickers, QB's, recievers, etc a day or two before the SuperBowl. The field goal kicker who looked the best was the guy from UCLA, next was the kicker from Auburn. The kicker from CU was supposed to win that competition, but out of 5 kickers came in last. They had to kick 5 or 6 field goals in under a minute. 2 from 35 out 3 from 45 out and 1 from 50 out.

The CU kicker came in dead last. The UCLA kicker was dead on with all of his kicks.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | February 26, 2007 12:06 PM | Report abuse


"I came with "Karaoke Bus." It would run in party towns like OC or Dewey or the Florida Keys"

When I was in Charlotte they run party buses down there. They took old geryhouns and painted them with all types of wild colors and themes. Inside they have a bar, videogame consoles,flatscreen TV's, couches, the works. The only thing is you need to rent the entire bus, where as you have the $5 per person idea.

Oh and the guy downt here who thought this idea up and went through with it is stinking rich now. So just remember if you go through with it, odds are you wont be writing this column anymore.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | February 26, 2007 12:14 PM | Report abuse

The CU kicker came in dead last. The UCLA kicker was dead on with all of his kicks.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | February 26, 2007 12:06 PM

How was the UCLA guy in games though? I know Crosby was decent. I don't know enough about all the kickers out there but have heard alot about Crosby thanks to the local media out here (Denver).

Posted by: skinswest | February 26, 2007 12:15 PM | Report abuse


Don't worry I am not a blind optimist. We have issues the most pressing is a front office capable of executing on the talent evaluation part of the much blogged "long term" plan. I have said before its not my money so spend what you want. The draft is a crapshot a whole bunch of these combine warriors are going to crap right out of the league and a whole bunch of guys you never heard of are going to become big time players. so our "New Long Strategy Plan" is to let someone draft' em and when they prove they can play we buy'em. Because they dug their heels in and as JaLa will confirm are out to prove the media and everyone wrong on the way they operate. The funny thing is it can work. The reason it hasn't:

1. No QB to build a team around in what clearly is a QB league.
1A. failure to evaluate and select the right FA's to spend the $ on.

The only good thing is they for the most part have stopped chasing the aging superstar type out for one last payday. Thats why I think both LLoyd and arch have a chance they are young in the prime, admitt they have to step up, but both guys have played at a higher level. arch limited but phyiscal and llyod 15/yds per catch 6 or so tds/year get that type of year out of both of them will help.

I'm optimistic largely because I think Campbell is going to be good. The physical attributes aside, I see calm collected leadership and no dear in the headlights look from this kid.We don't need to rehash the other 1st round QB's who where supposed to take over here (both Shuler and Ramsey displayed early and often the aforementioned "ooh this game is moving to fast and these guys are big get me outa here look.")

Posted by: Old School | February 26, 2007 12:20 PM | Report abuse

CDubb - I believe it......

Re: Kicker - We can always pick up a kicker in the 7th and or sign one as a rokkie free agent......

Posted by: 4th | February 26, 2007 12:24 PM | Report abuse

The UCLA kicker has pretty good stats.

Posted by: TW | February 26, 2007 12:27 PM | Report abuse

monkalicious, after a blistering season and post-season of blogroaning here on RI, you are officially the first one to use the "p" word. Myself, I am only reasonably confident that we can put a 8-8 team on the field; 9-7 if lucky (actually, in the NFC East, maybe that does mean the "p" word).

gatorskiz2000, understanding your partiality to the Gator man, I also think the Skins could trade down and still get Carriker instead of Moss. The one thing I do like about Moss though, is his photo ... face looks like McNabb Jr.

Posted by: dcsween | February 26, 2007 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Re: Kicker - We can always pick up a kicker in the 7th and or sign one as a rokkie free agent......

Posted by: 4th | February 26, 2007 12:24 PM

True. But the skins have had a revolving door going at that position since Lohmiller left. It'd be nice to have that positions solidified for once. That being said this is mostly conjecture because there's no way I see Gibbs going with a young QB and a rookie kicker. If Suissam doesn't pan out they'll run a few FA's in there until they find one they like or can tolerate.

Posted by: skinswest | February 26, 2007 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Wow, y'all have been busy this morning. Starting with Learned and Old School about Springs; it is essentially a cap management issue, but if the gist of their negotiation was not a pay cut for Springs, then Danny could front-load the money to make it worth his while, right? That's why I was trying to assess comparable salaries -- what number did the team have in mind, and how far off is that from his market value?
Given his history, I wouldn't want to pay him the money he has on the contract, but there's no cap benefit to moving him. So what's the cost of keeping him for 2007? Even if he's on IR for half the year?

Posted by: cload and daggar | February 26, 2007 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Despite what most of you think about Lloyd, he made some acrobatically amazing catches while in SF - with a variety of QBs. Don't see why he cannot do the same here.

Posted by: Lisa | February 26, 2007 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Skins West,

He was 26/26 on XP, 20-29yds 11/11, 30-39yds 9/10, 4/7 40-49yds, 2/2 50+ yds. Lng 51yds.

His name is Justin Medlock.

Here is Mason Crosbys'(CU guy)

He was 19/19 Xp, 5/6 20-29 yds, 7/8 30-39yds, 5/5 40-49 yds, 2/9 50+ yds.

I dont how much you decision making is added because of the altitude, but Medlock was very good, and when I was watching him, he has a very strong leg.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | February 26, 2007 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Portland 0
Seattle 1

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 26, 2007 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Lloyd also has a scrapbook filled with amazing acrobatic drops, many from 2006. So which Lloyd will show up in 2007? That is the question that remains to be answered.

Posted by: TW | February 26, 2007 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, what bothers me about Lloyd is not that he can't improve; he can and should (its his job). Its his attitude that is poisonous -- stuff like blaming Campbell for underthrowing on the pass he (Lloyd) missed in New Orleans -- stuff like bad mouthing the position coach on the field during preseason. The personal responsibility and respect for role deficit is poison to a team's 'chemistry'.

A good (potentially) player lives inside the body of a punk prima donna diva WR. See T.O., Chad Johnson, Keyshawn, Steve Smith, Randy Moss, etc. ... all of whom get a bye for bad attitude b/c of high levels of performance (throw in Shockey for that matter). No WR is automatically entitled to respect ... but good numbers means people look the other way. I'm just pleased the Skins have the role model that they do in Santana Moss (same with Marvin Harrison), i.e., keep your mouth shut AND make amazing catches.

p.s. Hope this doesn't sound like I'm harshing on you. I'm harshing on Brandon Lloyd.

Posted by: dcsween | February 26, 2007 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Nate is alive. Next thing we'll probably hear is that Michael Strahan wants to be a Redskin.

Posted by: TW | February 26, 2007 12:46 PM | Report abuse

"What's that, ah, . . . KICKERS? Don't talk about kickers. You kidding me? . . . kickers? I'm just hope we can get an impact player."

(Can't get Jim Mora out of my head today for some reason.)

Posted by: stevie in ct | February 26, 2007 12:48 PM | Report abuse

I read that too, TW. Anybody able to make a case that Strahan would be a good signing? Can't see it.

Posted by: stevie in ct | February 26, 2007 12:50 PM | Report abuse

There is a Strahan-to-Redskins rumor going around, by the way. That wasn't a joke.

If the rumor is true, how bad must the sinking ship be that is the Giants locker room if the rats want to come to DC?

Posted by: TW | February 26, 2007 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Diddy and Nate - way to represent on the Left Coast men. Diddy, sorry about your dog, bro. hope he's feeling better one way or the other however you choose to go about the injury.

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | February 26, 2007 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Lloyd strikes me as a guy who hurts in the locker room -- doesn't do the work necessary to perform up to the level that his talent would indicate, then shows up Sunday expecting to start. In the crapshoot that is talent evaluation in the NFL, I'll cut the FO -- even Vinnie -- some slack for most of the choices we've made. But there is no excuse for missing on the character issue.
So can we shelve the discussion of hiring the "Drunk DE of KC" at some inflated rate? I don't know if he can play, but I know he can't drink and drive. [Getting caught twice?]

Posted by: cload and daggar | February 26, 2007 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Anonymous | February 26, 2007 12:54 PM | Report abuse

The main thing to report from Seattle is that P Diddy is everything he purports to be up here, and much much more. An engaging wit, a true gentleman, a committed bon vivant, a gracious host, and a drinker par excellence.

Anybody who has ever posted up here with a knock on Diddy can stuff it.

Sadly, like FlimFlam, I am not up to the serious, steady booze intake required to keep up with Diddy and his mates. A strong night for me these days is a couple of beers at one bar or at the house, but I decided to have a go at a proper pub crawl as part of what can only be described as Diddy's entourage.

I tried gamely to keep up, but by the end of the night it was clear I'd vodka-tonicked my way into a full-blown shabingus.

Yesterday was a day of recovery and convincing Mrs. Nate to drive home to Portland.

Anyway, on Saturday night we were with you Ugly Mug peeps in spirit, and I'm really glad that it sounds like in both locations there were funny, happy conversations... proving that this blog is bringing good people together. Amen and amen.

P Diddy, I hope the best for your furry friend.

jm220, please come back.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 26, 2007 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Alcohol problems are everywhere, it seems.

Posted by: TW | February 26, 2007 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Strahan to the Redskins... um, I've seen that movie before, it was called "Bruce Smith," and it sucked.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 26, 2007 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Nate great to see you are still among the living. lmao

Posted by: jm220 | February 26, 2007 1:01 PM | Report abuse

THAT'S the Nate we've been hungering for: concise. Welcome back, friend.

Posted by: stevie in ct | February 26, 2007 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Only thing I remember about Strahan from last year was his belittling of the female reporter in the locker room when he was fueding with Plexliglass. Dude was hurt and not even playing but we were forced to listen to his rant multiple times on Sportscenter. Maybe he is just salty about getting taken to the cleaners in his divorce but do NOT get him.

We can go through this BLloyd thing over and over but the only spot to place the blame is again on the FO. Why give him a new contract? He had proved nothing. You think they would still give him that deal now after what happened last year?

Posted by: cdubb | February 26, 2007 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Like every other rat in the NFL, Strahan may be looking at DC as a potential big payday. He probably only wants $5 million annually to play 8-9 games each season. Based on the current cap issues, it looks like he arrived on the Redskins dock too late.

Back to work now.

Posted by: TW | February 26, 2007 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Where are these Strahan rumors coming from?

Posted by: etrod | February 26, 2007 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Strahan rumor is coming from various "sources" at the combine. It is bouncing around the internet.

Really back to work now - bye.

Posted by: TW | February 26, 2007 1:12 PM | Report abuse

etrod: from, for one. Of course JLaC would probably tell us that's the same as it coming from the ether . . . Don't know the reputation of that site.

Posted by: stevie in ct | February 26, 2007 1:13 PM | Report abuse

"Oklahoma running back Adrian Peterson lit up the Indianapolis turf on Sunday with a blazing 40-yard dash time in the 4.3s. It turns out Peterson ran with a heavy heart that did not seem to slow him down a bit. has learned that Peterson was told in the wee hours Sunday morning that his half-brother was gunned down and killed in a Texas homicide. Sources say he was shot multiple times. The sources also said Peterson was very close to his half-brother and took the news extremely hard. Details are still sketchy and when contacted officials at the Houston Police Department did not have any information available.
Despite such heart-breaking news, Peterson pulled his emotions together to have an impressive workout at the NFL's scouting combine. Not only did he run the 40s (4.38 in his first run) but Peterson participated in all the running back drills. "


Posted by: 4th | February 26, 2007 1:16 PM | Report abuse

I checked out I don't know if I can trust a sight that looks like it was created a middle school web design class.

Posted by: etrod | February 26, 2007 1:19 PM | Report abuse

"The only good thing is they for the most part have stopped chasing the aging superstar type out for one last payday"

Sadly, have to disagree. See Fletcher-Baker, London. I know, hasn't missed a game to date in his career, but LBs with 9 seasons in don't keep that up. But on the bright side, at least we know this is a rebuilding season up front. No more of that "hope" stuff to mislead us.

Posted by: cm202bc | February 26, 2007 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Hey, I just met Lisa on the street!!! Very nice.

Posted by: Cindy | February 26, 2007 1:24 PM | Report abuse

We just need to quit paying FA period. Build through the draft, and at the most pick up one FA. Would you pay $100,000 for a 9 year old corvette?

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | February 26, 2007 1:31 PM | Report abuse

OK Cyn Cyty give us the run down on Lisa. lol

Posted by: jm220 | February 26, 2007 1:37 PM | Report abuse


PDiddy, dear *hugs* I am so sorry for the DiddyDog. If I can recommend ... if you decide to get the surgery, knowing the risk of putting an older pet to sleep for the surgery, you may want to consider also getting it's teeth cleaned at the same time, if possible.

If it were me, knowing the risk, I would let DiddyDog heal naturally giving him doggie pain pils to ease the discomfort.

A tough call either way and yes, I'll remember you in my thoughts over the next few days. Please keep us informed.

One of my cats, matilda, is wheezing and sneezing, a kittycold. I just know it will spread through the house to my other 3 feline babies within the next few weeks *sigh*

*hugs* to all my blogger peeps.

Posted by: SallieMae | February 26, 2007 1:42 PM | Report abuse

She is a very nice person as, I am sure, all of the bloggers are!!!

Posted by: Cindy | February 26, 2007 1:43 PM | Report abuse

"Former Redskins safety Troy Vincent, whom many expect to be the next president of the NFL Players Association, hired renowned agent Drew Rosenhaus, the agent confirmed to NFL Network. "I've known Troy and had the utmost admiration for him for the past 15 years," Rosenhaus said. The marriage is an intriguing one on a number of levels. For starters, Rosenhaus will be negotiating Vincent's next contract with his next NFL team, and the veteran safety does want to continue playing after spending this past season with the Redskins. "There is a definite market for him," Rosenhaus said. "He brings so much leadership to whichever team signs him." But more important, should Vincent succeed Gene Upshaw as the NFLPA president, as many expect, then Rosenhaus will have a strong ally and voice in the union."

Posted by: 4th via the Network | February 26, 2007 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Fletch may be ageing, and he may be quite rich by the end of the week, but he's no superstar. I would've assumed he played soccer if I heard the name last September.
Bottom line for me is that he fills an important niche in our type of defense, and can be a leader on the field as well. Maybe he can be the Yoda to Sean Skywalker.
As for "building through the draft", just look at the rest of the New England's picks in the Tom Brady draft. I've never heard of any of them, and doubt they're still in the league. The first two rounds have high quality, anything beyond that is a question of how the player fits into your system.
Your system generally consists of two things; consistent coaching, and a solid QB. We may have those two ingredients now - maybe - but there is no draft-day "MLB with a couple of years experience".

Posted by: cload and daggar | February 26, 2007 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like Fletcher-Baker is just what we need.

According to RealFootball365:
"As the Buffalo Bills await free agency and the NFL draft, the greatest area of on-field concern the organization is faced with is probably the middle of its defense... Buffalo's defense finished the 2006 campaign ranked a horrendous 28th against the rush, which naturally dragged the unit's entire performance down... Middle linebacker London Fletcher-Baker, the heart and soul of the 'D', was an important culprit in the group's inability to stop the opposing running game. The 31-year-old had a dazzling season in terms of statistics, finishing with an eye-popping 146 total tackles, two sacks, a linebacker-high four interceptions, seven passes defensed and two touchdowns. Numbers like those would normally merit All-Pro votes, but most were aware of Fletcher-Baker's weakness against the run. Because they're in the business of trying to find true run-stuffers, the Bills may opt not to re-sign the soon-to-be unrestricted free agent to a hefty contract."

For more:

Posted by: LH | February 26, 2007 2:14 PM | Report abuse

How about Strahan for Lloyd?

Posted by: T Coughlin | February 26, 2007 2:14 PM | Report abuse

I still haven't heard from legal, but my philosophy is that if it's good enough for the Bog, it's good enough for the R.I.

Posted by: Cindy | February 26, 2007 2:21 PM | Report abuse

cload , dead on balls acurate

Posted by: Old School | February 26, 2007 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Ya know, that Redskins Insider logo looks a little bare - it sure could use a spear or a lance or something.

Posted by: Gen. Colbert | February 26, 2007 2:38 PM | Report abuse

I'll take that if you can pay $5mill of the option/roster bonus........

Posted by: 4th | February 26, 2007 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Great to see Nate back up here. I thought we'd killed him. Sgt. Greene did call as well. He's doing fine also :-)

Pooch update: the surgeon recommended 6-8 weeks of cage rest for the little guy. He's eating and drinking, but is finding being cooped up to be a horrible experience. I'm lying down next to the cage as I work from home this week so that he at least feels like daddy is here. It breaks my heart to see him like this, but I'm grateful as it could be a lot worse.

Posted by: P Diddy | February 26, 2007 2:48 PM | Report abuse

I still count $1.9 million on your salary cap

Posted by: John Hall | February 26, 2007 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the DiddyDawg update. Happy to hear it's relatively good news.

Posted by: Cindy | February 26, 2007 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Nice sarcasm LH. If they are gonna spend that much money on a LB, why not try to get Adalius Thomas. Would help us get some pressure from the outside even if we don't have a solution at MLB. Sounds like a typical Snyder move, sign guys with fantasy football stats. Hope he is getting that $1M buyout ready for Gregg Williams.

Posted by: cdubb | February 26, 2007 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Good to hear Diddy. To me, there is nothing worse than watching my pup when he doesn't feel well.

Posted by: Skinz | February 26, 2007 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4th | February 26, 2007 3:02 PM | Report abuse

hope baker finch isn't like the middle linebacker we had in the early part of the norv error, name escapes me came from buffalo looked the part never missed a game made like a zillion tackles to bad they where all 5 to 10 yards downfield.Guy was alittle undersized (like marshall) and the argument back in the day on the Blog (if there was one) would have been, let Kevin mitchell play he is like 250 and a run stuffer.

Posted by: Old School | February 26, 2007 3:10 PM | Report abuse

just remembered Marcus Patton

Posted by: Old School | February 26, 2007 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Let's see... last year, around this time, I seem to recall a relatively 'big name' defensive free agent player who was targeted by Gregg Williams as a must have.
Yada yada yada, we ended up with the highest paid bench warming Strong Safety in the history of the NFL.

Isn't this Fletcher-Butcher-Baker-Candle Stick Maker the EXACT same scenario as AA?
Even in his prime, Fletcher-Butcher-Baker-Candle Stick Maker would not be the right fit for this defense. Stats monster, yes. But we don't need a MLB that makes 100+ tackles 7yrds down field!
Not a good sign of 'lessons learned' if we bring this guy in.
I'd much rather have N. Harris at MLB instead.

Posted by: Diesel | February 26, 2007 3:15 PM | Report abuse

You're right, Old School... Fletcher-Baker is Marvcus Patton v2.0

Posted by: Diesel | February 26, 2007 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Cindy, it was great to meet you!

I was on my way to the gym when I saw a familiar face (from the videoclip) - I approached Cindy - she probably thought who is that crazy lady approaching me?

By the way, any news from the combine? From St. Joe?

Posted by: Lisa | February 26, 2007 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Diddy- So sorry to hear about DiddyDawg's accident. Give him an extra couple of his favorite treats while he's cooped up recovering.

Glad to see Nate survived (barely?) Weekend at Diddys.

London Belcher Faker will probably get the 'Skins standard 6 year, $30 million contract with $10 million bonus, while they let Dock walk because they won't guarantee one of their own that same money.

Posted by: 4-12 | February 26, 2007 3:23 PM | Report abuse

But Dockery isn't worth it compared to what our cap space is.......

Posted by: 4th | February 26, 2007 3:26 PM | Report abuse

And Belcher Faker is?

Posted by: 4-12 | February 26, 2007 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Although this has been stated previously Grillians is an idiot. He needs to take his ego and his F-upped scheme somewhere else. LONDON Bridges falling down is not going to solve the skins problems. I bet the rest of the league is licking their chops waiting to run the ball down our throats again next year. We need to STUFF the run with a playmaker not a play chaser.

Posted by: james63k | February 26, 2007 3:33 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to see them keep Dockery but I agree with previous posts (Old School?). It has to be at the right price. You don't want them overpaying for a guard. Guards don't seem to be that hard to come by.

Just a thought - the Broncos are probably going to dump George Foster their huge (6'6", 338#) right tackle. He's not that great a tackle - maybe he makes a decent guard though. Could be a back up at tackle too - at the right price.

Posted by: skinswest | February 26, 2007 3:35 PM | Report abuse

If there is any saving grace regarding Fletcher-Baker, it is that he played for G. Williams at Buffalo. He knows the Cover-2 defense, because Williams put it in when they were there together. And Buffalo retained the Cover-2 after Williams left to come to the Skins.

Regardless of the disinformation being spread in Buffalo now (sour grapes?), Fletcher-Baker is probably a better fit at MLB for the next two years than anyone else they could find/acquire. That's not to say he will be great, or will singlehandedly fix the defense. He will just be a better fit for whatever Williams is trying to accomplish. If the Skins start the two young guys at defensive tackle, you want someone who can tackle behind them.

Posted by: The Mole | February 26, 2007 3:47 PM | Report abuse

George Foster - 6'6, 338? Can he catch and play TE? How would you like to see him coming across the middle? He has to be better than Fauria.

Posted by: The Mole | February 26, 2007 3:53 PM | Report abuse


dead on balls acurate. the candlestick maker is at least An NFL starter Quality MLB,not a journey man undersized outside linebacker trying to play inside. sounds like the tackles in buffalo where undersized thats a problem for inside backer. our DT rotation is decent but service able for another season (then Grif and Big joe may need to addressed.)

Posted by: Old School | February 26, 2007 3:55 PM | Report abuse

(Looking into my crystal cheeseball)

Dockery will be wearing a new jersey with different colors next week. Someone is going to pay way too much for him. That $7 million/yr. deal for Hutchinson last year in Minnesota will send the OG market sky-high this year.

(Looking into crystal cheeseball again)

I see the Skins drafting an OG in the 5th round.

Posted by: The Mole | February 26, 2007 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Henceforth, I will be referring to our potential new MLB as Larry London.

Posted by: The Mole | February 26, 2007 4:02 PM | Report abuse

George Foster - 6'6, 338? Can he catch and play TE?

He'd be the slowest TE in the league. I'm not sure if he can play guard but it seems like going from tackle to guard is easier than guard to tackle - he would be a sight coming around the end on pulling plays though.

Posted by: skinswest | February 26, 2007 4:02 PM | Report abuse

All, I've been gone for many moons. I hope everything is as I remember it.

I know I'm late to the dance party but JLC, my DREAM has always been to have a sports network where real dudes with sports knowledge call games. There would be adult language, discussions of how terrible a player is, why I hate guys like the iggles' John Runyan because he is a filthy cheating, why GMs are idiots and so on. I asked my father when I was a small child why this did not exist. He had no answer. No one knows why this does not exist. I'd fork over the $9.95 per game to watch without commercial interuption (the $ would pay for the commercials) so there would be fewer stoppages.

Who do I talk to about this?

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | February 26, 2007 4:03 PM | Report abuse

AMTTS- Welcome back. I thought maybe you got arrested trying to yank Swann's bronze head from the HOF and replacing it with Monk

Posted by: 4-12 | February 26, 2007 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Mole, I love the thought of having a fifth-round castoff guard starting for us in September. Love it. Ugh.

I agree with you that the key difference between LFB and Arch Deluxe is that Archie never played for Grilliams. Their putative player/coach relationship was hatched in a hotel room or something when they figured out a way for square peg Arch to fit into the round hole Cover 2. That didn't translate to the field. No such issue with LFB, whose health I think is the #1 concern.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 26, 2007 4:09 PM | Report abuse

4-12 - I am talking about in the 'Skins current situation. We can't turn back the clocks. We plucked Dockery out of the 3rd round and he became an instant starter. AND, that was in the Spurrier era. We can do that again, trust me........

Posted by: 4th | February 26, 2007 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Why would Buffalo have sour grapes? They have nearly $30 mill in cap space to sign this joker if he's that important to their D. Where's the disinformation? Was Buffalo's run defense something other than 28th? If you ask me, Donnie Edwards would be cheaper and equally effective at MLB as Fletcher-Baker. He's led the Chargers D in tackles each of the last five years and has more INTs than any other LB since 2002.

Posted by: LH | February 26, 2007 4:15 PM | Report abuse

I hear you 4th. But the current situation is the team won't contend this year, why give another huge contract to a guy who is right at the point where he's gonna start going downhill? Lots of holes to fill on that porous D.

And I remember when they picked Dock in the 3rd round. Cooley too. Unfortunately, all the plucking this year will be in the 5th-7th rounds because of the trade debacles.

Posted by: 4-12 | February 26, 2007 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Buffalo is cheap. They have $30 million cap space and probably won't spend half of it. Their reputation is to lowball even their best players. Clements is leaving. Larry London is leaving. Looks like McGahee may be leaving. There may be others. It is partly the nature of a small market team, and partly team philosophy.

Why sour grapes? Because it's easy to take shots at someone who is definitely leaving, and make them seem like the problem. For some owners, when they're mad at a player for leaving, why not tarnish the player's name and drive down his market value a little? I guess the Skins have never done that.

Why was Buffalo bad against the run? Why were the Skins bad against the run? Same issue. If you have DEs that rush, you have to have good DTs to stop up the middle. If you have so-so DTs (or young ones), you need to have someone behind them who can at least tackle. Marshall didn't do that so well. Holdman on the weak side didn't do anything at all. (With that name, he should have been an offensive lineman anyway.)

LH, in a perfect world, I would draft Willis or another highly-rated MLB/ILB. But the needs at DE are greater, and there is only one early round pick. I didn't say that I like the idea of Larry London coming to the Skins - just that I understand why they are doing it.

Posted by: The Mole | February 26, 2007 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Losing Dockery would be a blow to the chemistry the O-line has established over the past few seasons. If Springs doesn't want to be here, let him walk and let him play 4 games elsewhere next season. Maybe we can get Smoot to a cheap contract, but then again knowing our FO, will that ever happen?

The interest in LFB is a mind-blower to me. Yes, he's had success, but he's aging and he's small in stature for a MLB. Maybe the FO would do better to sign him on as an assistant coach since he knows the defense so well.

Thoughts on the draft: If Anderson is there at #6, take him, if not, trade down for multiple picks and draft Carriker, another DE or a CB later in the round. Who knows, the FO may luck up and draft a solid MLB in Round 2 or 3.

I believe it was a pretty good idea on Gibbs part to allow the players to have their own offseason. Players will now be accountable for themselves and the staff will be able to weed out the bums. Maybe this is what gets Lloyd cut...

Here's hoping the '08 season turns out to be a good one (yes, I mean '08). '07 looks to be awful, but hey, we'll probably end up with another top 10 pick in the '08 draft.

Posted by: Skins Fan in the 'Ville | February 26, 2007 4:56 PM | Report abuse

I view London-Fletcher-MLB the 5th as Fait Accompli. It's not a bad pickup. It is what I feared however. The deal is "done". We have once again succeeded in bidding against ourselves to pay someone over market price.

As I see the draft it basically comes down to this for me. I hope we either draft Branch or trade down and get a good DE and a second or third round pick.

It's not that I think Branch is that much better than Gaines. It's that DE is the deepest position in the draft so why spend the 6th pick on a guy when you can spend the 21st pick on a guy rated slightly lower?

Needless to say I'm holding out hope we'll do the right thing....

AM2DStix, good to see you back. Sign me up for the NC-17 telecast.

Posted by: Skinz | February 26, 2007 4:57 PM | Report abuse

I understand why the Skins are signing Fletcher. I just question the way they are going about it. This has Gregg Williams prints all over it and I don't trust his track record as a talent evaluator. I hate to always come back to it but had they kept Pierce we wouldn't be reaching for a guy that may give us a good year or 2. If I see a Holdman type LB in the middle next year I am gonna be pi*sed.

Posted by: cdubb | February 26, 2007 4:58 PM | Report abuse

I fail to see how the Bills benefit from driving down the market value of a guy they don't intend to keep. And the Bills FO has stated that it intends to spend cash up to the cap this year - the whole $30 mill. One man's cheap is another man's fiscal responsibility. For all the money the Danny has shown he's willing to spend it's only bought two playoff appearances since he acquired the team. If Fletcher-Baker was the difference between making or not making the playoffs, I would be all for bringing him here. But cutting players and restructuring deals to give him a $10 mill signing bonus is foolish because there is no future benefit to it. It's the O that's going to be the difference between wins and losses next season.

Posted by: LH | February 26, 2007 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Mole, agreed. The Skins won't be picking up another team's castoff/headache in Fletcher-Baker. The Bills just won't afford him (I said won't, not can't). Of the teams in the NFL, the next team to change cities is going to be the Bills, e.g., the Toronto Bills. [I'm not the first one who said that, but its just as well that I don't drop names on the wisdom ... but a wise person said it.] Ralph Wilson has not figured it out ... you can't afford to pay cash in the NFL b/c unless you play the long term contract (followed by performance based 'restructuring' where you pay down future debts for good players and cut bad players) game, you can't keep good quality.

I have some thoughts about why Clements would not be a good fit, but the Skins will finally find a player they can't afford anyway, so I'll save my breath for now.

What I don't understand is why everyone here is already making up dismissive nicknames for the third leading tackler in the NFL, with far and away the most interceptions by a linebacker, who has never missed a game since being drafted (indicating either good protoplasm in his cells ... or the ability to play through pain). Why the negativity? Just because he's going to get a payday? Next year, you will all be buying Fletcher-Baker jerseys. I'm also going to go out on a limb to stop bad mouthing Archuleta right now ... and predict everyone will be calling for a mulligan on the trash talk about him next year. He will be who we thought he would be. The healthy off-season run-up competiion with Prioleau and Fox will be great for all three.

Posted by: dcsween | February 26, 2007 5:02 PM | Report abuse

NO got a Gaurd out of the draft last year and he seemed to not mess up any 'flow' of the line last year. AND, he made the Pro Bowl.

Wasn't LFB the guy that stopped tennesse at the 1 yard line in the SB?? What's the problem with him having a deal already done?? If you know you def want somebody, you have to step up and put your $$$ where your mouth is, and that's what Da Skins do. I don't have a prob with it, unless someone didn't do they're homework too good (Lloyd and Archabingus).

Anyway, his record speks for itself. All we can do is sign him and hope he dosen't gets injured. He will do well.

Springs dosen't want to leave. He just dosen't want to take a pay cut. He shouldn't have to.

Posted by: 4th | February 26, 2007 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Re: The Bills - They don't have a steady flow of revenues to spend 'Up to the Cap'. That's why they voted against the CBA.

Even though the NFL owners are suppose to spend at least 60% of the revenues (as a league), the Redskins are so flush with $$$, players contracts usually only equal roughly 40% of the Skins Revenues. While in contrast, The Bills have very little revenue streams of their own, so players salaries if they spent up to the cap would be closer to %75 - %80. This would be astronomical if we was talking about another business. If they was to spend up to the cap, they would have to raise ticket prices, which he does not want to do. The Redskins are very fourtunate to F Up sooo much $$$.

Posted by: 4th | February 26, 2007 5:12 PM | Report abuse

"NO got a Gaurd out of the draft last year and he seemed to not mess up any 'flow' of the line last year. AND, he made the Pro Bowl."

4th, do you trust the Skins FO to be able to evaluate the O-line prospects and draft a decent lineman? thoughts exactly.

Mike Jones tackled Kevin Dyson (was on the Skins PreSeason roster not too long ago) at the 1 yard line when STL won the SB, not LFB.

Posted by: Skins Fan in the 'Ville | February 26, 2007 5:19 PM | Report abuse

dcsween, all teams pay cash in the NFL. It's called a signing bonus. Cash to the cap, however, means that with each FA signing, the Bills are going to count the entire signing bonus toward its cap figure rather than amortizing or prorating it over the life of the deal as is commonly done.

Posted by: LH | February 26, 2007 5:19 PM | Report abuse

The 'Skins, on the other hand, spend cash over the cap.

Posted by: LH | February 26, 2007 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Also, the Bills are taking a proactive step in trading the RB since he is in his final year of his contract and the Bills FO expects him to go elsewhere once he is a FA.

The Ville - The FO (Cerrato/Snyder) brought in Dockery, so I got my fingers crossed.......

Posted by: 4th | February 26, 2007 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Frankly, our FO's decision making qualities tend to be lacking, for the most part. Sometimes, it seems that their answer for the 'chicken or the egg' question is 'a duck'. But that's a point we've harped on in the past.

Now, presuming that the deal for London Betcher-Moneymaker is indeed as good as done, and that Can't Getta Holdmann's probably on his way out of the organization, I'm beginning to wonder how the linebacking corps will stack up for the coming year. Will they move Lemar Marshall back to the outside, where he's been effective before? If they do that, where does that leave Rockamac stuck this year - is he going to have to swallow the second-string pill, again?

Heck, how about this for an out-of-the-blue question ... is Lemar still fast enough to play his college position at safety?

Posted by: FlimFlam | February 26, 2007 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Tough to get some O-line prospects in here with a lack of draft picks.

Posted by: cdubb | February 26, 2007 5:49 PM | Report abuse

You're right CDubb. BUT, Gibbs 2.4 MUST not trade away ANY future draft picks. We are gonna take a hit this year, and replniish the next with a full draft except for one pick. Hoefully, HOPEFULLY, we can find some diamonds in the rough this year to hold us.........

Posted by: 4th | February 26, 2007 5:53 PM | Report abuse

4-12 if you're lucky in DC this year fellas.

Posted by: Peter King | February 26, 2007 6:03 PM | Report abuse


I don't know if LeMar is still fast enough to play safety. I assume he played strong safety in college, where speed is less of a issue. Archuleta is a strong safety (formerly a LB), so he may be faster anyway. The problem in the G. Williams Cover-2 is that both safeties have coverage responsibilities, so speed is definitely an issue.

The word on LeMar moving back outside was that he would rotate on passing downs and back up both Marcus and RockyMac. There is also some concern about how quickly Marcus will rehab from hip surgery.

Posted by: The Mole | February 26, 2007 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Jason comes through again with a new post.

Posted by: The Mole | February 26, 2007 6:08 PM | Report abuse

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