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Scenes from '4th and life'

The Redskins were making points Tuesday at FedEx Field. The team hosted a 4th and Life Forum for area ninth and 10th graders who are part of high school junior-varsity football squads. Hamil Harris of The Post reports.

By Cindy Boren  |  October 22, 2009; 10:00 AM ET
 
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ugh, if Gibbs comes back to hire a GM and coach I'm ok with that, if Gibbs comes back as the GM I'm not, Mark Brunel, Arch Deluxe, Lloyd, Duckett, Campbell, and the list goes on.......

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 22, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 22, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Nate, I may be in the minority here, but I'd put Jimmy Johnson on that list of potential candidates as well. I know he's a former cowboy, but he's also proven to be successful at building a team.

Feel free to throw fruit at me, but I'd prefer if it weren't canned.

Posted by: Original_etrod | October 22, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Original_etrod | October 22, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Gibbs is coming back?!?

I luv me som JG. But say it ain't so!

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 22, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

zj, I believe that the PFT rumor was that Gibbs would pick the HC/GM, not that he'd act in either capacity...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 22, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Re: Chucky rumo(u)rs

You don't have to kiss up to Synder to get the job..you have to kiss up to keep it...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | October 22, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

I guess what I took from the interview was Chucky saying "call me" to Snyder. He did say Zorn should be fired rather than treated this way but then segued straight into the "Dan is prepared to spend money" meme and seemed to have no opinion on management at all.

I got the distinct impression he was saying he would take the job with the CURRENT management structure. Ugh.

Posted by: Redcoat | October 22, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

And yes, in Miami Parcells reports to the owner. Jeff Ireland (GM) was picked by Parcells and picked Sparano (HC) who reports to Ireland.

Posted by: Redcoat | October 22, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

The door needs to be closed on Gibbs everything, forever. Yes he is a god in our world and forever will be but we need a fresh start. We need an "outside the box" GM (outside anyders box that is). We need a traditional build through the draft guy with balls enough to tell the nerd who signs the checks to mind his own business. This is not snyders world, there's a reason he was picked last in recess. Our next coach needs to be from the billichek tree, we need someone who brings a winning attitude and some tough love. I feel for zorn and hopefully he gets a second chance with a stable franchise. Bit h dosent jave the balls to tell Dan what he needs to hear.

Posted by: murphyz | October 22, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Gibbs will keep Vinny, so nothing changes.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | October 22, 2009 10:15 AM | Report abuse

zj, I believe that the PFT rumor was that Gibbs would pick the HC/GM, not that he'd act in either capacity...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 22, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

I guess that's ok, I think I'd prefer he just hire the GM, let the GM pick his own coach though. Honestly, no offense to Gibbs but I don't think he'll be very good in any role but Snyder's hand holder, but if it takes grandpa joey to make Snyder comfortable with giving away control than bring him on.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 22, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Our next coach needs to be from the billichek tree

Romeo Crennell, Eric Mangini, or Charlie Weiss are available....which one should it be??

Can people read, and comprehend?? Did you READ what the PFT article was saying Gibb's role would be??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 22, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

murph duly noted, but Gibbs as "b1TCH" wow and in the same post that you get your panties bunched about Zorn's feelings?

whateves murph Z

Posted by: chrislarry | October 22, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Gibbs will keep Vinny, so nothing changes.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | October 22, 2009 10:15 AM |

No thanks. I was very unimpressed by the Gibbs/Vinny combo. Wasted draft picks, bad trades.

Posted by: League-Source | October 22, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

jc won't have a job next year. he needs to start acting more humble to have any chance on landing a 3rd string job. what a cluster f this dude is.

as far as this teams goes anything less than vinny's head on a platter will be pointless.

Posted by: dealer1 | October 22, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

"...can't stand that bloated payroll of a club..."

It ain't what you pay them, it's how they fit together when they play for pay.

Ask the '03 Marlins about being a low rent champion.

Ask the 2000 Washington Redskins about being a high rent failure.

Whomever takes charge of the redskins' franchise re-building must not see it as some kind of 'fantasy league' team but rather a collection of pieces that fit and play well together.

I'd like to see the team hire away a young personnel guy from the pats, saints, jints, broncos--anybody who has a sense of what it takes to re-start this team.

Any redskin fan who doubts the tream can't quickly recover should study how the Atlanta Falcons went from the futility of Vick to the success of Matty Ice.

But for that to happen, the most significant firing must take place between a wealthy racquetball player and his failing partner Vinny Cerrato.

Silencing Zorn is one thing.

But firing Cerrato is the only thing that matters.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 22, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Y'know what might make a good GM? Someone who knows the national high school picture intricately now!

You figure the good ones will make it through two years of NCAA. You're not looking for guys who necessarily excel there, you want guys w/ the maturity to handle NFL - and that you spot earlier than college.

If there's a former NFL guy who now makes his business scouting high schoolers for NCAA squads, that might be a beneficial route to go. At least for a high spot on the scouting staff.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 22, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Nate, I may be in the minority here, but I'd put Jimmy Johnson on that list of potential candidates as well. I know he's a former cowboy, but he's also proven to be successful at building a team.

Feel free to throw fruit at me, but I'd prefer if it weren't canned.

Posted by: Original_etrod | October 22, 2009 10:07 AM


I'd take Jimmy Johnson in a heartbeat. Don't think he'd ever take the job after having been through so much meddling in Dallas.....

Posted by: dlhaze1 | October 22, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

"..Our next coach needs to be from the billichek tree.."


We need a strong personnel guy before we get the coach.

Someone should be hired to sit down and objectively assess the value of playres on the roster.

Someone needs to go to Snyder and say, "Yeah, you like the guy, but he's way past his prime," or, "..It's a bad contract--let's pay'em to get rid of him."

Without a guy strong enough to do that, no new coach will succeed.

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 22, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

I could see gibbs coming in, and reaching out to Grimm as the HC, I mean, this franchise needs to get back to zero, and start over....who better to lead us back than a former player. I might be getting ahead of myself there, but, it makes a lotta sense...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 22, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Bean, I think the points people are making, at least I was anyway, is that a rumor of a Gibbs return opens all kinds of speculation of what role he would have, just because PFT says it could be one thing is a guarantee that's how it will be so we are just discussing. In my case I hope he doesn't come back at all.....but if that's what it takes then oh well.

Personally, I wish Snyder would right now go hire Chris Pioli (Scott's son) and give him the reigns with total control. I think he's that young under the radar next great GM just waiting for a chance.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 22, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

zj, I believe that the PFT rumor was that Gibbs would pick the HC/GM, not that he'd act in either capacity...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 22, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Sorry if I'm late to the party but is this even close to being true?

Posted by: FedorEm | October 22, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

How can you not love Riggo?

"Really, this is almost a hostage situation," Riggins said later. "This franchise has been taken hostage by someone who has the mindset of a child, because everything revolves around them, and it's gonna be difficult, until that mental adjustment is made, that adjustment in personality. But that's gonna be a lot of sessions on the couch with somebody."

Posted by: Pepper5 | October 22, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

didn't someone in cincy buy a billboard to post fire cincy gm...? or fire marvin lewis?

lol check this out: http://firecerrato.com/

Posted by: dealer1 | October 22, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

I could see gibbs coming in, and reaching out to Grimm as the HC, I mean, this franchise needs to get back to zero, and start over....who better to lead us back than a former player. I might be getting ahead of myself there, but, it makes a lotta sense...

sounds good to me...just need a GM and that'll make it complete...

Posted by: jcnjcnj | October 22, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Gibbs' return would only work if Cerrato goes away -- and Dan stays away from the sidelines and practice fields. If Vinny stays -- and Dan cannot stay away -- then we can only expect more of the same and worse.

Remember that Gibbs had a pretty good succession plan in place when he stepped aside last time, but Dan and Vinny puked all over it.

A more likely and nightmarish outcome with same players could see Gibbs acting as another set of eyes for the other set of eyes (Sherm Lewis) brought in to help patch over the coaching deficit -- while enabling Dan and Vinny to continue to ignore the obvious deficiencies in their front office and overall approach to team ownership.

It might also be helpful if Dan would flush his toilet on occasion... CP seems to have mistaken it for the team jacuzzi

Posted by: Vic1 | October 22, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

I wonder if Sherm Lewis will be calling the plays from the owners box this Monday……

Posted by: dlhaze1 | October 22, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

I dunno, etrod, maybe Jimmy J would be in a second tier of possible "franchise rebuilder" dudes... I was rapping with Redcoat about this the other day, and he wasn't impressed with JJ from Miami (I think) whereas Parcells' good work is probably done down there, with the coach and front office rebuilt...

Of course, the whole notion of a "franchise rebuilder" guy, someone to whom Snyder cedes all decision-making, is probably ludicrous, even if the need for a front office sea change is obvious to most of us...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 22, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Jack, Scott Pioli doesn't have a son. Who do you mean?

Posted by: Redcoat | October 22, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

vic,

Snyder has never been on the sidelines and who cares if he goes to practices.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 22, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Steve LArgent = Jim Zorn's David Axelrod

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 22, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Bean, I like your thinking on the Grimm thing, I've been hoping for him for a long time, I think he is the perfect hire as a coach for this team. However, it has to come with Vinny gone and Snyder out of the personnel department, otherwise, it won't matter.....but I agree and am hoping for Grimm. This lineup would work for me Gibbs->Casserly->Grimm. Charlie had some whiffs but all GMs do at times, he made a pretty good call on the Mario Williams pick and the Schaub trade though.

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 22, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

tommy keene reference? awesmoe!

Back to Zero

woo hoo!

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 22, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

nate, Snyder worships at the alter of Gibbs, and if Gibbs is willing to come back and try and re-establish this franchise, then I could easily see him getting told to go play in traffic, and doing just that..Gibbs has the cache and the seeds to say it, and have it happen.

I could see Gibbs coming back and cleaning house, I can't see him coming back and keeping VC in his current role. That just makes no sense...either you're part of the problem, or part of the solution...we all know where VC falls in that scenario

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 22, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

If true about Gibbs I don't see why it's a bad thing. Look at how the guy has run his team in NASCAR over the years. He has said himself that he likes to put people underneath him who know what they are doing, and let them do their jobs.

Plus, and yes he had some questionable moves in his second go-around here, but his leadership and character alone willed the Skins to two playoff runs, IMO. The guy is a winner, and as Gannon said you need leadership at every level of the franchise to win. What better leader can you find than Joe?

I bet he would hire a guy like a Russ Grimm to be a HC. And the bet here is he would hire a competent GM as well...

ANYTHING IS BETTER THAN VINNY!

Posted by: mattylight | October 22, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Jack, Scott Pioli doesn't have a son. Who do you mean?

Posted by: Redcoat | October 22, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Sorry, Chris Polian was who I meant and he is the son of Bill Polian, knew he was in the Colts organization.

this was from Wilbon's article a few days ago:

"Actually, it could be his son, Chris Polian, who also works in the Colts' front office. A dear friend who knows the men who know personnel and are ready to build a football team tells me Chris Polian is atop a list of five guys he'd hire right now to run a football operation that wants to win and not just show: Eric DeCosta of the Baltimore Ravens, Mark Ross of the Giants, Rick Spielman of the Vikings and Tom Ciskowski of the Cowboys. That's his list, and I know if I had asked he could have gone 10 deep."

Posted by: zjfr2 | October 22, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

vic,

Snyder has never been on the sidelines and who cares if he goes to practices.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 22, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

--

From yesterdays' RI --

Afternoon update
@RickMaese tweets:

Not seen at practice: CCooley, CHorton, KMoore. Not participating: CPortis, AHaynesworth

Also, spotted on the sidelines, Daniel Snyder chatting with Jim Zorn... Snyder and Vinny Cerrato were both watching practice. Beautiful day

--

Posted by: Vic1 | October 22, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

NO chance bringing Gibbs back will change anything. He was here to set the course for this franchise once and Danny went as far as he could away from the plan as possible. If he even halfway respected Gibbs' opinion as he says he does, he would have hired Gregg Williams as HC and it never would have been a 2nd thought. Instead we have the current mess.

If Danny could learn a lesson, he would have long before now.

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 22, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

I love Grimm. I think Grimm will make a heckava hc and has an almost perfect path and pedigree at this point. In my dreams Grimm coaches the skins..

But I want Grimm to succeed in the NFL, and it would suck if he came here in the wrong circumstances and got caught up in this stink.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 22, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Not seen at practice: CCooley, CHorton, KMoore. Not participating: CPortis, AHaynesworth

Also, spotted on the sidelines, Daniel Snyder chatting with Jim Zorn... Snyder and Vinny Cerrato were both watching practice. Beautiful day

--

Posted by: Vic1 | October 22, 2009 10:43 AM |

I was talking about sidelines of a game, who cares if he's at practice it's his team. Him being at practice doesn't hurt the team in anyway.

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 22, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

I dunno, etrod, maybe Jimmy J would be in a second tier of possible "franchise rebuilder" dudes... I was rapping with Redcoat about this the other day, and he wasn't impressed with JJ from Miami (I think)

even if the need for a front office sea change is obvious to most of us...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 22, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

JJ did a good job with our defense but he dodged the whole "Dan Marino sacred cow" thing. He should have traded Danny and let him finish his career with a chance of a championship rather than shackle him to an uncompetitive team and plan while he tried to rebuild and ended up creating discord instead.

I think he could do a great job for you guys, but he'd need TOTAL control. Do you really see that happening? Look at the difference between Parcells in Dallas and everywhere else - he didn't suddenly become incompetent in Dallas, he just couldn't keep Jerry out of the mix.

And as for your front office? "Denial ain't just a river in Egypt"!

Posted by: Redcoat | October 22, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

I think if the Redskins are going to seek a GM, they should try picking up a guy like Charlie Casserly, who has been around the league, has experience in the salary cap era GM role, worked for Snyder in the past, is networked and has had some time to sit on the sidelines and evaluate talent. Jimmy Johnson would be an intriguing pick there as well. I'd let the GM make the head coach decision and then let the head coach build his staff.

Any GM coming in would have a good opportunity next year with no salary cap to clean house and rebuild through free agency. The term "interim quarterback" should be used in signing someone with seasoning while the team rebuilds the offensive line.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 22, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Redcoat, hey, don't rain on my fantastickal parade, pal... I want to believe that we're finally seeing a meaningful groundswell of outrage from the fan base and the local and national media, coincidental with an embarrassing season on the field, adding up to a tidal wave that even Snyder can't ignore.

Refresh my memory: what was the trigger event in Miami to all the big front office changes down there? Was it Shula's leaving, an ownership change, some of both? Did the big organizational overhaul start with JJ's arrival, or was it something prior to that?

Franchise rebuilder... paging franchise rebuilder... please pick up the burgundy courtesy phone...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 22, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Bring back Grilliams!!

Posted by: psps23 | October 22, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

But I want Grimm to succeed in the NFL, and it would suck if he came here in the wrong circumstances and got caught up in this stink.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 22, 2009 10:45 AM

He wouldn't. Because there is no way Danny can undermine him. No one take Snyder's side in a Grimm HC vs. Snyder battle....

And Snyder would just get more bad press, not that it shouldn't matter what the media thinks.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 22, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Please help, what does "PFT" mean?

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | October 22, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

"I was talking about sidelines of a game, who cares if he's at practice it's his team. Him being at practice doesn't hurt the team in anyway."

Posted by: Flounder21 | October 22, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

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No, I guess you're right. It's not like Dan's going to be a major distraction or anything chatting away with the HC and the players durign their practive time -- or Vinny won't be anything but helpful with his thoughtful and detailed analyses and opinions -- especially when the coach and players minds really should be focused on other things -- like scoring points and winning ball games.

Nor does it seem to matter much who shows up at practice here anyway -- witness the continued "success" of a habitual no-show like CP. Of course, nobody's ever going to question that much, are they? Especially when you consider their outstanding relationships with the front office.

Although I do sometimes wonder what Dan and Clinton have in common to talk about so much -- given that the one of them seems to be focused more on profit than performance -- but doesn't seem to know much about running a professional football team, while the other is an overpaid but functional illiterate -- who appears to know something about running a football, but little about teamsmanship. Oh well, on second thought, maybe they do have more in common than I might expect.

Posted by: Vic1 | October 22, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Jimmy was railroaded on the Marino tip. That's why he wouldn't coach/gm again.

He thought he was being given Marino as a huge bargaining chip that he could weild ala HWalk. Not so - the ownership wouldn't allow him to move the man due to local popularity.

By the time ownership was ready to part w/ Marino, it was too late & there was no value. It cost them almost two decades of development.

I don't think Jimmy was genius, just a great salesman. How do you think he got all those great talents to head to the U?

Here in DC he'd have to deal w/ Snyder and there's no way I can see him doing that.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 22, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

4th, agreed, and especially with JGibbs in place. He's there to wiggle his finger at DS, Dikembe style, when DS gets the urge to meddle.....Grimm, GWilliams, I could see, a combination of that coming back here....Grimm as OL coach/OCoordinator, time for Buges to take on a different roll with the team...Charles Mann as DL coach, GClark as WR coach....Monte Coleman, as LB coach, "we're getting the band back together"......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 22, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

What Snyder needs to understand is that he absolutely MUST have someone at the top of the organization -- the franchise rebuilder figure I keep mentioning, team executive plenipotentiary -- who commands respect in the league. Someone with sufficient gravitas to convince people we are a franchise to be taken seriously once again. That person is not and will not be Dan Snyder.

And what a formidable franchise we could be... we have a good idea of that because we used to enjoy that level of prestige! And I for one took it for granted that my beloved Redskins would command that kind of respect in perpetuity. How foolish of me.

Anyway, with this super-executive on board and clearly, unequivocally in charge, we can compete for the very best GM talent, for the very best coaching talent... that certainly seems not to be the case right now.

If Snyder wants to return the franchise to glory, he absolutely must realize this. His money and power of persuasion can't fix this one... he must make restoring the reputation of the team his top priority, and he must do that by turning over the keys -- as loathesome an idea as that probably is to him -- to a professional football person.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 22, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

"...Snyder worships at the alter of Gibbs.."

And therein lies the problem with bringing back St Joe.

The team needs some objective guy who's watched it from afar to assess what's to be done to rebuild it.

Gibbs is too close to the bone to speak objectively--and defiantly if need be--to Dano.

Now, if Jeff Fisher gets fired this offseason,.....

Posted by: MistaMoe | October 22, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Please help, what does "PFT" mean?

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | October 22, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

it's short for Pro Football Talk.

It's a website.

Posted by: PortisPocketsStr8 | October 22, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

"PFT" anybody?

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | October 22, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

When Beantown attributes something to PFT, it stands for "Probably Fake, That."

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 22, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

@PortisPocketsStr8,

Thank you sir (assuming).

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | October 22, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

The term "interim quarterback" should be used in signing someone with seasoning while the team rebuilds the offensive line.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 22, 2009 10:49 AM

Interim QB could be applied to anyone behind this o-line.

I like the way you're thinking though. How bad do they have to be for Snyder to come to that realization though?

Posted by: skinswest | October 22, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

In memory of our Stuporbowl Seasons

Places That Are Gone

Bethesda's own Tommy Keene! he he he.
Saw him PWN UM LaPlata in '84. Never seen a crowd so ambivalent get interested so quickly.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 22, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

cold nate....just cold.....

moe, no thanks on Fisher...I either want Grimm/Gwilliams, or some young hand picked cat, that Gibbs approves of....also,disagree, Gibbs is exactly what this team needs...he's the person who can tell snyder to get bent, and snyder will listen..until that happens, NOTHING will change...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 22, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

From Mike Wise. Per Chris Helein, Gibbs' PR guy, Joe is not coming back. get off it people. Snyder is trying to take the heat off of his a$$ again.

Posted by: Predator48 | October 22, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

I love Grimm. I think Grimm will make a heckava hc and has an almost perfect path and pedigree at this point. In my dreams Grimm coaches the skins..

But I want Grimm to succeed in the NFL, and it would suck if he came here in the wrong circumstances and got caught up in this stink.

Posted by: chrislarry | October 22, 2009 10:45 AM


Amen, bro.

He'd single-handedly fix the o-line too.

Plus he's great on Madden too.

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 22, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Refresh my memory: what was the trigger event in Miami to all the big front office changes down there? Was it Shula's leaving, an ownership change, some of both? Did the big organizational overhaul start with JJ's arrival, or was it something prior to that?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 22, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Huizenga had already been owner for a while. The feeling after the heartbreaking end to the 1994 season was that Shula was done (losing 22-21 to the Stan Humphreys Chargers in the divisional playoffs having been 21-0 up, while Shula sat on the sidelines in a motorized scooter) but he didn't want to give up.

We started the 95 season 4-0 and 6-3 but ended up having to win 3 of our last 4 to limp into the playoffs at 9-7 (only to get spanked - again - by the Bills).

So Shula finishes his 33rd season as a winner again but the feeling was the team was starting to regress; time was running out for the Marino offense and the defense couldn't stop people after October.

Combine all that with a proven championship coach (JJ) being available, JJ having a love of Florida and wanting to coach again and you have the perfect storm.

JJ could have built a special team - he certainly built the defensive half - but he always avoided the 'elephant in the room' that was Marino.

In this context Clinton Portis is your elephant. Whoever comes in MUST move him on - not because he's no good, but because you can't have that character and 'special relationship' with the owner in the locker room. That's what Marino had with Huizenga and it killed us.

Posted by: Redcoat | October 22, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Why Double G?! He's likely not HC capable. He runs a great overall Defense, but he directly contributed to some serious losses that cost us playoff position. That shell we keep getting burned on is his creation. His D only works w/ a semi-prolific offense. He can't handle a minimalized O.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 22, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

I’m all for bringing in Russ Grimm as HC too (and a good GM that actually picks Grimm, not inherits him). But I think that by rule, we can only get him as a head coach, because he is technically Assistant Head Coach in AZ. Unless they create some new title like Assistant TO THE Head Coach, that outranks asst coach.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | October 22, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

he's the person who can tell snyder to get bent, and snyder will listen..until that happens, NOTHING will change...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 22, 2009 11:13 AM


There's where you're wrong...Gibbs doesn't have it in him to tell anyone to 'get bent'. It's only a plus because he won't be Danny's puppet like Vinny is.

What Gibbs CAN do is give Danny a pacifier to keep him out of his way. That's the only way that works.

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 22, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

QB Jason Campbell's take on his benching: "I missed some plays I should have made. I made bad decisions. I missed them because I rushed thinking about our young offensive line."

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Not what you would like a leader (Leader: One who leads) of your offense to be saying. Throwing others under the bus for your poor performance.

Posted by: 4thFloor | October 22, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

brown, so 6, or a half dozen...I don't get it??

isn't the end result the same??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 22, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

This Zorn thing is really working out well for us if you think about it. Now, everyone is seeing what we have known for a while. That Danny and Vinny are morons! I know they already probably knew that, but maybe Snyder will be forced into hiring a GM to get his reputation back. That is the prime reason he hired Gibbs in my opinion. Now, since his meddling reputation is back on the national screen, hopefully he will have to make a smart decision.

Posted by: Redskins001 | October 22, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

peebo...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | October 22, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

* beep beep *

new post

Posted by: NateinthePDX | October 22, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

"...and I would have gotten away with it, if it wasn't for you meddling fans."

The Danny

Posted by: ellinwoods | October 22, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

moe, no thanks on Fisher...I either want Grimm/Gwilliams, or some young hand picked cat, that Gibbs approves of....also,disagree, Gibbs is exactly what this team needs...he's the person who can tell snyder to get bent, and snyder will listen..until that happens, NOTHING will change...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 22, 2009 11:13 AM

As much as I like Gibbs and think he'd be a huge improvement in the FO think he'd just be a short term fix and Snyder would revert to form afterwards. Plus I doubt he'd come back anyway. Fisher I'd take in a heartbeat. I don't see GWilliams coming either after the way the coach search went last time. Snyder needs to realize that he's the problem, clean house, get recommendations from the league office, hire a GM, and get the hell out of his way.

Posted by: skinswest | October 22, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

001,

If that was Zoron's intent, I have indeed misjudged him! lol.

Posted by: DikShuttle | October 22, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

GM recommendations from the league office is what I meant. They know who the up and comers are. Hell I've seen 5-10 recommendations between Wilbon and ESPN already.

Posted by: skinswest | October 22, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

brown, so 6, or a half dozen...I don't get it??

isn't the end result the same??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 22, 2009 11:24 AM


Actually Greg, there's a BIG difference: telling Danny to go pound sand is what Marty did. That got him fired. What Gibbs would do (hopefully) would be to do/say something to make Danny feel like he's doing something while in all actuality he's doing nothing. That's the main difference between "get bent" and pacifying.

And when you have a guy with an ego bigger than FedEx Field, the latter approach is the only way to go.

Posted by: brownwood26 | October 22, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Russ Grim

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | October 22, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Our next coach needs to be from the billichek tree

Romeo Crennell, Eric Mangini, or Charlie Weiss are available....which one should it be??

Can people read, and comprehend?? Did you READ what the PFT article was saying Gibb's role would be??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | October 22, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

murph duly noted, but Gibbs as "b1TCH" wow and in the same post that you get your panties bunched about Zorn's feelings?

whateves murph Z

Posted by: chrislarry | October 22, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse
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Retard Gregg,

I did not read whatever article you are talking about, the article I read was about 4th and Long. Sorry but your tax dollars dont allow me to "read" every article. And, 2 of the 3 are still coaching so are they availiable? I would say Romeo/Mangina are in the same boat as Zorn with the horrible ownership.

ChrisLarry,

"but he dosent have the balls" translates to "Bit h dosent jave the balls" when you post from the toilet on an Iphone.

Posted by: murphyz | October 22, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

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