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Schwartz on Local Ties, Redskins' Interview

Hope you caught this morning's piece on Lions' first-year coach Jim Schwartz, written by Les Carpenter. Knowing he grew up in Baltimore, attended Georgetown, where he played linebacker, and got his coaching start as a graduate assistant at the University of Maryland, I asked Schwartz this morning whether he grew up a fan of the Redskins.

"Oh, no. I grew up a Baltimore Colts fan," said Schwartz, 43. "We were at war with the Redskins. We'd play a preseason game, we'd be in either RFK or Memorial Stadium and there'd be a dozen fights during the game between the fans. That was part of the attraction of going to a preseason game was seeing some of those battles between the Colts' and the Redskins' fans."

Of course, that didn't stop Schwartz from pursuing the Redskins' head coaching vacancy in 2008, the job Jim Zorn was eventually given. It was one of four head coaching jobs Schwartz interviewed for before the Lions finally handed him the reins to their struggling franchise earlier this year. On a conference call with reporters this morning, Schwartz reflected on the interview process with the Redskins.

"It was probably the longest, from a morning to night. It was non-stop," he said. "I got there early in the morning, stayed as late as we possibly could. Needed to get me back because I was going through Atlanta the next day [to interview with the Falcons]."

"I had a lot of - I don't know what the word - preconceptions going into the interview. A lot of those were changed after sitting down with Dan Snyder for 12 hours."

Ryan O'Halloran, of the Washington Times, wisely followed up, asking for an example of a "preconception."

"I'm trying to think of the best way to put it. I think from the outside-in, a lot of time people feel like..." Schwartz paused, trying to find the right words. "The biggest thing that stood out was the respect that Dan Snyder had for Joe Gibbs and his appreciation for the coaches and the coaching staff. And from the outside looking in sometimes, owners can get a reputation. I don't know what the word is, quick with the coaches or something like that. I found that to be the opposite case."

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And, while we're on the topic of fans, Dan Steinberg has the FedEx fashion parade from Sunday. Tell me one of you is pictured...

Steinberg also points out that Fred Smoot's house is on the market and that BetUS.com has Jim Zorn as the third most likely to be fired (1, Dick Jauron; 2, Jack Del Rio; 4 Wade Phillips).

By Rick Maese  |  September 23, 2009; 10:42 AM ET
 
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Comments

27-13 Skins Win.

Posted by: FedorEm | September 23, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

I was hoping there would be a picture of Barno's Cooley jersey

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | September 23, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

First

Posted by: coop2401 | September 23, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

At least if we lose to the Lions, this team will finally shake out of its delusion that we are a good team, just a minor tweak or two away from getting it all together. So far, we are NOT close to that.

Posted by: Rypien11 | September 23, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

And where does Sherman Williams the offensive Coordinator figure on this lousy offense? Does he hold any blame?

I don't know, you could...♪Ask Sherman Williams♪

Sorry, that was horrible.

Hock1, obviously you have a pre-existing dislike for JC, because his play this year has been good. Does it really make sense to put the blame on the quarterback when Zorn calls 10 out of 16 redzone running plays, JC has two passes dropped, and a no call PI call for ARE? But it's JC's fault because he didn't audible out of every run play? C'mon. You're entitled to your opinion, but back it up with something plausible at least.


Posted by: OffseasonChamps | September 23, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: OffseasonChamps | September 23, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Predictions:
1. Skins 31 - Lions 13.

2. JC17 has 2 TD passes and QB rating > 100.

3. Avowed Campbell-haters flock to RI to say, "yeah, but it was the Lions!" and otherwise attempt to diminish his success after the win.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 23, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Apparently all the geniuses predicting a Lions win forgot that the Redskins defense has let up an average of 11.5 points per game this year. And Matthew Stafford is not Eli Manning, unless you're talking about Eli Manning from his rookie year.

I can't remember the last time I've seen a bigger reach than that prediction. Lions get blown out...again.

Posted by: psps23 | September 23, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse
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psps23,

Yeah, pretty sad when so much of the fan base seems to think we are on our way to a loss, and a few of them seem to be rooting for it so we can start all over...again.

If the Redskins move ball like they have and just moderately improve their red zone conversions, they'll win by 10-14. If they don't, it will be tight again. If they improve vastly, they'll blow them out - because I don't see Matt Stafford lighting them up in this game.

On another note, Brownwood mentioned in an earlier post that fans have no influence on the performance of the team. I couldn't disagree more. You beat on that team enough, it makes a difference. If all the Redskins hear is how they will lose to Detroit, it is more likely to happen. Think about this: why do golfers stand back from behind the tee before taking their swing at the ball? To VISUALIZE the shot they WANT to hit. Visualization of success is important, whether some folks wnat to believe that or not. The Redskins may have a hard time visualizing ANYTHING positive after this week of flaming (in week 2, no less).

Let's hope that behind closed doors, they are saying "forget the media, forget the fans. Let's go relax and pound these guys".

Sad that they should have to disregard us in order to improve their morale and mindset...I thought fans were there to BOOST morale, not kill it.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | September 23, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | September 23, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

. Avowed Campbell-haters flock to RI to say, "yeah, but it was the Lions!" and otherwise attempt to diminish his success after the win.

Posted by: Alan4

You know that will be coming.

Posted by: jm220 | September 23, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Glad they picked up Alridge. Let's see if he gets any time; they could use his speed at that position.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | September 23, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Glad they picked up Alridge. Let's see if he gets any time; they could use his speed at that position.

Posted by: shaunsherman12

Do you really think they'll activate him anyway? They'd have to keep either Mitchell or Mason out. Maybe in a couple of weeks.

I'd like to see what the kid can do, but given our conservative rookie unfriendly coaching staff, I don't expect to see him for a while.

Posted by: REXskins | September 23, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Now that we have Anthony Alridge it is time to pack up betts to some team for a 4th or 5th round pick.

Porits
Mason
Alrigdge

That could work for the season, Better get what you can for betts while you can.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | September 23, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Lions 17
Redskins 13.

Sigh.

Posted by: Original_etrod | September 23, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

I thought fans were there to BOOST morale, not kill it.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | September 23, 2009 11:07 AM

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Morale (player morale and fan morale) is boosted when a team plays to it's capability.

The mood in the locker room at FedEx was field was dark, despite the win, not because the players had their feelings hurt by the fans, who have a right to boo, but because the team isn't scoring touchdowns.

You play a weak team like the Rams in your home opener, and you want to win decisively.

Now, shaunsherman12, stop your whining.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 23, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

indeed bean, it does come off as arrogant and somewhat challenging...

Posted by: RedDMV | September 23, 2009 11:02 AM


Arrogant wasn't my intent...challenging was.

Greg consistently comes on here and asks questions of you when you share a thought. You've seen it...it's usually the stuff that start with "what's the basis" or "do you have proof to back up..."

Then when you answer the antagonistic question, he then categorically and systematically attempts to tear down your opinion and you for having it.

So when I ask "do you REALLY want me to answer that", it's because I want to save a step in the process and just get right what the point is for him...trying to tear into me for not having his same rosy viewpoint.

I enjoy mixing it up here with guys about the Skins. This blog would be boring if it was 30 guys with the same opinion on the same subject. I just take exception when my opinion and/or fanhood is stepped on simply because it doesn't jive with the likes of Greg and T_E. Off the top of my head, those are the only two up here who tend to make things personal.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 23, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

"Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa."

by shaunsherman12

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 23, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

If all the Redskins hear is how they will lose to Detroit, it is more likely to happen...

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | September 23, 2009 11:07 AM


These are professionals. If their self-worth and their well-being is at stake in any way for the fan support, they shouldn't be pro athletes. I completely believe in what you say as applied to high school and college athletes. Pro athletes draw a check for their services and should be motivated by their desire to excel in their chosen profession, not some stranger wearing their jersey.

As I said yesterday, if their performance were based on the crowd, they would only win at home and lose every road game.

And your golf analogy doesn't apply here: golf is individual sport based on concentration. Football is a team sport based on execution. If you know your route and the audibles, you don't necessarily have to visualize it in silence.

Plus you overlook the age-old motivating factor in the NFL: respect. Often times, these athletes are MORE energized by being doubted and crapped on. It gives them an edge and brings out the best in them. The Redskins pretty much exemplify this in recent years; just look back to the winning streaks that propelled them to the playoffs in '05 and '07 when everyone said they were done.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 23, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

The Lions are ripe for a win at home.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 23, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Too early to try and trade a vet RB cuz we got Double-A. Let see if the boy can handle his fumblitus before we declare him our new backup.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 23, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Lions 17
Redskins 13.

Sigh.

Posted by: Original_etrod | September 23, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

You should not be allowed to watch the game Sunday. You should be blindfolded and forced to only listen to us destroy the Lions.

Posted by: FedorEm | September 23, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

"I say silly things."

by shaunsherman12

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 23, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

I'd like Mitchell before either Mason or Alridge, actually. He seems to have a knack for the endzone (albeit against different competition).

If the frustrations down there continue, I'd think they'll feel he has to get some shots.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | September 23, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

And if you were paying attention you would have understood the question I posted. JC made a statement without mentioning the red zone and Reid made an ASSumption based on nothing but his imagination - Just like your "JC was not allowed to audible out of it even though he wanted to.". How do you know that? Were you there? Did you hear them talk about it? Did you discuss it with either one of them? You should no ASSume so much and defend the indefensible. Stop making excuses for JC.

Posted by: hock1 | September 23, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

It's from the Zorn interview where he said he doesn't want JC changing plays down near the goal because he feels it creates confusion among the offense. JC had 4 passing attempts down there. 2 were drops. 1 should have been a Pass Interference call since ARE got mugged. Stop blaming JC.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 23, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 23, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

The Lions are ripe for a win at home.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 23, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

And the Redskins are ripe to actually put a stunningly cogent performance together and absolutely smoke check somebody. Just sayin'.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | September 23, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

I'd like you to shut your cakehole, actually.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 23, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Here's what happens. Skins shut down whatever running game the Lions have, forcing a rookie QB into many bad decisions. Our pass rush will be better because part of the game plan will be to come after Stafford. Expect more blitzing. Orakpo gets his first sack, and I expect either 1 deffensive TD or a TD thanks to a shortened field after a turnover. I think the Skins early season jitters are put to rest this week. Fact is fact, we have a better team and are just as hungry. I can't wait till Sunday.

Posted by: FedorEm | September 23, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell vs Lions:

Oct 26, 2008: Skins 25, Lions 17
JC17: 23/28, 328 yards, 1 TD. 0 INTs.

Oct 7, 2007: Skins 34, Lions 3.
JC17: 23/29, 248 yards, 2 TDs. 0 INTs.
Skins missing top receiver Santana Moss for the entire game; 2nd wide-out Antwaan Randle-El left the game in the 2nd quarter. Campbell completed passes to 8 different receivers including 3 who had no catches coming into the game.

Earned NFC Player of the Week honors for the week.

Posted by: Alan4 | September 23, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

DOC Walker said something interesting yesterday, and I know some don't like DOC but I think he knows what he's talking about.

He said he thinks that there (Zorn) trying to trick people with a complicated playbook, instead of lining up and beating people with matchups.

I agree with this it doesn't have to be so complicated you have 1st and goal, you have two guys that are 6-4 line one up on each side and try a fade to either one.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 23, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Here's what happens.

Posted by: FedorEm | September 23, 2009 11:38 AM

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Yeah, okay.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 23, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

What planet are we on? Why does people assume so much? I have not talked about the decline or the history of this team. I have spoken of the current QB failure, nothing more. Some people have blamed everyone, from the owner to the water boy, for this guy's inept play. (ok. maybe not the water boy, but you get my meaning).

Posted by HOCK 1

While I'm not a believer in campbell, you cannot isolate one person for blame in a team sport like football.

The Redskins--once a great franchise--now have a culture of losing, botched drafts, botched trades, botch hirings, botched signings, botched ownership, botch scouting, botched personnel evaluation, botch player relations, you name it.

What do you expect from this QB or any of a series of QB failures the team has had since Snyder/Cerrato took over? It is not like Campbell is an isolated incident.

But in a Media world where the individual is specified in promotional hype "Kobe and the Lakers take on LeBron and the Cavs!" naturally it focuses on one guy.

The truth is Campbell has no chance of success behind a bad line, a limited to non-existent running game, a coach who's playcalling and play design is pathetic, a meddling owner, a frustrated fan base, and all the rest of it.

He is a convenient scapegoat, just as the Jeff Georges, Mark Brunells and Patrick Ramseys et al before him--who had their own difficulties achieving success in the mess up atmosphere that Washington has sadly become.

Posted by: TheCork | September 23, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

LOL. That was exceptionally clever and germane.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | September 23, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Kaneohe,

The post was directed at shaunsherman12, not at you.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 23, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

He said he thinks that there (Zorn) trying to trick people with a complicated playbook, instead of lining up and beating people with matchups.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 23, 2009 11:40 AM


Agreed, Flounder. Doc has been saying that dating back to Al Saunders, and it's always been true. The only time you should try and get cute like that is if you don't have the manpower to beat people one on one. The Redskins have more talent than most, yet consistently misuse it.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 23, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

I thought fans were there to BOOST morale, not kill it.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | September 23, 2009 11:07 AM

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Morale (player morale and fan morale) is boosted when a team plays to it's capability.

The mood in the locker room at FedEx was field was dark, despite the win, not because the players had their feelings hurt by the fans, who have a right to boo, but because the team isn't scoring touchdowns.

You play a weak team like the Rams in your home opener, and you want to win decisively.

Now, shaunsherman12, stop your whining.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 23, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse
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Your inability to grasp what fans are for is your problem.

If you want to call it a season in week 2, and declare surrender at Detroit, be my guest.

Believe me, the only ones crying around here are the fans whining about the owner, the coach, the qb, etc, non stop, everyday.

Answer this one question: what does booing a team when they win accomplish? Do you help things?

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | September 23, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Rgr, my bad. Salud.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | September 23, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

The Lions are better than they have been & I have no doubt the fans will go nuts if they stay close or, God forbid, get ahead. Oddly enough, I feel better facing Stafford than Dante C. as I think Matthew will be easier to rattle with pressure.

We should win this game without too much trouble but I do think Carlos Rogers should be on CJ. D Hall shouldn't even be allowed to get close enough to CJ to shake his hand during pregame.

Posted by: will_ga | September 23, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Too early to try and trade a vet RB cuz we got Double-A. Let see if the boy can handle his fumblitus before we declare him our new backup.

Posted by: alex35332

Attention to Detail is a KEY to winning in any sport. That said, what are the odds it occurred to the Redskins to hire the guy who taught Tiki Barber to hold onto the ball to coach up Aldridge?

Posted by: TheCork | September 23, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Hey Cork,

The QB problems and the botched drafts were happening before Snyder got here as well.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 23, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

To think the players really care about what we fans think is to give ourselves too much credit. Zorn called a fade in the game in the redzone against the Rams, Campbell changed it up. The comment by Doc about lining up and beating the guy in front of you is true only if you have the talent to do so. Otherwise, you must employ some misdirection or other form of trickery to compensate.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | September 23, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

My axe is blunt this morning. I'll shut my own cake hole now.

HTTR and hope for a good win against the Lions.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 23, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

I think you will Alridge and Marko Mitchell dressed this weekend. Mason will not dress. You might even see Alridge on kick or punt returns. I want to see some speed on this team and see if he can take one to the house. We need a spark on offense or special teams. This team is stagnant right now.

Posted by: brian58 | September 23, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

This week the O clicks.

Redskins 31, Liedowns 14

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | September 23, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

I'd like you to shut your cakehole, actually.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 23, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse
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Awwwww...sorry to interrupt your surrender of the season.

Anytime you want to quit rooting for this team, please go ahead. The team will be all the better for it.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | September 23, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Flound, I love Doc. I think he nailed that on the head. Our boy freakzilla said something similar the other day. Good teams have success when your "bread & butter" plays actually work and that even when the opposition knows what your going to do, they can't stop you.

Posted by: chrislarry | September 23, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

So far *ahem* my guess have been right about the games this year. Skins lose to GiAnts, squeak by Rams.

Last year the Lie-Ons got some big plays in the passing game. The Redskins had several drives stall inside the 30, leading to Suisham FG. Won game with 2 big plays by Moss (50 yd TD rec, punt return for TD).

This year -- Redskins pass rush much improved. Secondary much improved. And honestly, the offense is playing better.

So... Redskins generate turnovers, points off same, hold ball long time. Win 24-7

Posted by: dpc2003 | September 23, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

At least if we lose to the Lions, this team will finally shake out of its delusion that we are a good team, just a minor tweak or two away from getting it all together. So far, we are NOT close to that.

Posted by: Rypien11

You're delusional if you think that a loss will change any perception from management about this team. The reason we are always "1 or 2 tweaks away" is because that leaves hope which brings in $$$. Snyder doesn't believe that the Skins will make as much money if he was to acknowledge the team is rebuilding, even if it is the right thing to do.

Posted by: NFeKPo | September 23, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Attention to Detail is a KEY to winning in any sport. That said, what are the odds it occurred to the Redskins to hire the guy who taught Tiki Barber to hold onto the ball to coach up Aldridge?

Posted by: TheCork | September 23, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

I dunno wasn't it Tom Caughlin himself that did that work? I mean, its not a hard thing to teach, hold the ball high and 3 points of contact are the basics of it, that and its better to hold the thing and get 5 yards over coughing it up trying to make a stiff arm or cutback.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 23, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Here's what happens.

Posted by: FedorEm | September 23, 2009 11:38 AM

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Yeah, okay.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | September 23, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Like that soo far out of the realm of possibility. Lions suck. Plain and simple. I'm pretty sure we field a superior defense, that will lead us to victory.

Posted by: FedorEm | September 23, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Whoa, careful there Cork...that's not the rainbows and lollipops some up here want to hear! Prepare to get bombarded with requests for "proof" of what you say and a long laundry list of why you're not a "real" Redskins fan.

(eye roll)

You're right though...this franchise could get Tom Brady and still not get the desired result. It's about the organization, the QB is a small part of what's wrong here.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 23, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Skins have always had Detroit's number. No loss here. 24-6 SKINS.

Posted by: VegasJim | September 23, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

ZEKE'S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES

again brought to you by the fine people at Yahoo!

Part 1

An ugly win is still a win. But ... the 2008 loss to the Rams came courtesy of a freak play TD for the Rams AND a Hail Mary to set up the game winning FG. From this perspective, its easy to see why many think the Skins actually played worse in this win than they did in the 2008 loss. I was tempted to cover our under-inspired defense, but that'll wait for another day. Because this past week was about the offense.

Particularly unnerving was the performance inside the Ram 10 yard line. Outside the Ram 10 yard line, the pass/run ratio was about 2:1. And the Skins moved the ball effectively on 5 of 7 possessions with that 2:1 ratio.

Inside the Ram 10, the Skins ran 12 plays (excluding the kneel downs at the end). Only 4 were passes by Campbell. The 8 plays that Campbell didn't throw resulted in a grand total of 4 yards. Apparently Jim Zorn drew them up to work, they just didn't. Still, the numbers show that Zorn trusts Campbell 2/3 of the time outside the 10 and only 1/3 of the time inside the 10.

So what happened on Campbell's 4 throws? Or stated differently, is there are reason Zorn shouldn't trust Campbell?

One throw went to Portis for 4 yards. Devin Thomas couldn't hold a catchable pass for a TD reception. Mike Sellers dropped a sure TD. The 4th throw was in the direction of Randle El, who struggled to get away from a Ram defender holding ARE's jersey with both hands -- a terrible 'no call' by the official. It very easily could have been Campbell, 3 for 3 with 2 TDs, inside the 10.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 23, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

ZEKE'S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES Part 2

The real issue is who was on the field with Campbell. His top 3 WRs are Moss, Kelly and ARE. His top TE is Cooley and his top receiving back is Betts. Yet Campbell was throwing to Portis, Sellers and Thomas. Why? Why was Thomas, the #4 or #5 WR even on the field? Why was Sellers running a pass pattern where he would need to catch the ball in stride? He's played in well over 100 NFL games and Its pretty clear what he does well. Catching a pass in stride isn't one of those things.

My analysis says Zorn should trust Campbell, but perhaps the better question is this. Should Campbell trust Zorn? Was Zorn putting out his best receiving players on the pass plays he called inside the 10? Was Zorn calling plays consistent with talents of the players on the field? Was Zorn putting this team in the best position to succeed? Its just 4 plays, but the answer seems to be 'No'.

Sonny Jurgensen's flap with Zorn was about the trust between coach and QB -- and it really asked the uncomfortable -- should the player trust the coach? Zorn answered it clearly. If the player rebels, he sits.

The players Zorn put on the field inside the 10 was not the only questionable tactic Zorn employed. The option by Portis was an awful call and Zorn's attempted timeout would have rivaled some of the worst of Gibbs 2.0 clock management blunders. The blog has been filled with discussions of Zorn's errors, some meriting more criticism than others.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 23, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Good teams have success when your "bread & butter" plays actually work and that even when the opposition knows what your going to do, they can't stop you.
Posted by: chrislarry | September 23, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Great point. So my question is what are our "bread & butter" plays & do we have the talent to really have them succeed consistently?

Posted by: will_ga | September 23, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

So far *ahem* my guess have been right about the games this year. Skins lose to GiAnts, squeak by Rams.

Last year the Lie-Ons got some big plays in the passing game. The Redskins had several drives stall inside the 30, leading to Suisham FG. Won game with 2 big plays by Moss (50 yd TD rec, punt return for TD).

This year -- Redskins pass rush much improved. Secondary much improved. And honestly, the offense is playing better.

So... Redskins generate turnovers, points off same, hold ball long time. Win 24-7

Posted by: dpc2003 | September 23, 2009 11:50 AM |
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I agree and the Lions last year at that time had Roy Williams in addition to CJ. 24 points seems too high. I think we will win 17-10.

Posted by: redlotparty | September 23, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

The comment by Doc about lining up and beating the guy in front of you is true only if you have the talent to do so. Otherwise, you must employ some misdirection or other form of trickery to compensate.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | September 23, 2009 11:46 AM |

He wasn't talking about just lining up and smashing the ball in, he was talking about taking advantage of matchups. Cooley could have caught 20 balls in each game no one was covering him. Zorn stopped calling his number, if you have a matchup that works exploit it until it doesn't work.

The problem is Zorn wants his style of offense to work, so he has to stick to some gameplan. gameplans are great but a good OC sees when something is working and sticks with it screw the playbook.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 23, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

ZEKE'S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES Part 3

But the very worst call hasn't been discussed. It was the 2nd down sweep by Betts with just over 2 minutes to go in the game. At that point in the game, the dwindling game clock was Zorn's best friend. The play went to the short side of the field, and Betts was pushed out of bounds. It was a typical result for that play since the play is designed to gain yards along the sideline. When Betts went out of bounds with about 2:15 to go, it was the equivalent of handing the Rams an additional time out.

Had that play gone to the middle, the clock would have wound down to the 2 minute warning. The third down play would occur AFTER the 2 minute warning. The time to run 2 plays plus the 40 seconds between plays would have taken the clock down to around 1:10. But by running that short side sweep, the Rams wound up with 1:55 to try to get the winning FG instead of 1:10. It was a HUGE HUGE blunder by Jim Zorn. That difference of 45 seconds could have easily been the difference between a win and a loss. Of all the blunders, this was the one dwarfed the others. The dwindling game clock was Zorn's best friend, and he stopped it with a terrible call.

At the start of the season, many people linked the futures of Jason Campbell and Jim Zorn. These people are likely correct. But after watching the Ram game, it became more clear to me that their futures should not be linked. The problem isn't Jason Campbell. The problem is Jim Zorn.

And that is a wrap ion this week's way too long ZEKE'S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES, brought to you by the people wearing Yahoo! purple.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 23, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

DOC Walker said something interesting yesterday, and I know some don't like DOC but I think he knows what he's talking about.

He said he thinks that there (Zorn) trying to trick people with a complicated playbook, instead of lining up and beating people with matchups.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 23, 2009 11:40 AM


That's essentially what I wrote on here two days ago. When do I get my radio show? :-)

Posted by: freakzilla | September 23, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Flounder,

Agreed to stay with what's working until they stop it.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | September 23, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

"He said he thinks that there (Zorn) trying to trick people with a complicated playbook, instead of lining up and beating people with matchups.
Posted by: Flounder21"
"That's essentially what I wrote on here two days ago. When do I get my radio show? :-)Posted by: freakzilla"

Um, not to belabor the obvious, but maybe Zorn doesn't think the Skins win those matchups.

Don't quit your day jobs, you two. Rick Walker, stay close to Coach Thompson.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 23, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

they killed my post, so I will re-word and summarize

The Defense got all the resources and was amazing, but all people are talking about is the offense.

Are we football fans or Touchdown Prostitutes?

Skins fans are some of the best in the league. Can we not appreciate a great D or have we been reduced to only understanding TDs.

Offensive players are wimps, right Dexter?

Defense wins championships, right?

Haynesworth, Orakpo, Hall, Barnes, Henson, right?

Why don't you fans and washed up analysts sack up and remember what this game is about.

Touchdown who-ers I tells ya, ya'll sound like cheerleaders.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 23, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

I dunno wasn't it Tom Caughlin himself that did that work? I mean, its not a hard thing to teach, hold the ball high and 3 points of contact are the basics of it, that and its better to hold the thing and get 5 yards over coughing it up trying to make a stiff arm or cutback.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 23, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

A lot of his fumbles were being poked out and knocked out with helmets. Coughlin also taught Tiki to intiate the contact so the defender had to take the hit instead of delivering a hit to the ball. I don't know if this will work with AA.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 23, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Look at what the Giants did to us last year, in the first game. Plax could not be covered so what did they do they threw him like 12 passes in a row.

If Cooley or ARE are killing there guys then throw them the ball until they, get someone who can cover them.

Also stop trying to force the run, not many teams have run and pass balance. Some teams run better some teams pass better, find out what you do better and go for it.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 23, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

zce: "So what happened on Campbell's 4 throws? Or stated differently, is there are reason Zorn shouldn't trust Campbell?

One throw went to Portis for 4 yards. Devin Thomas couldn't hold a catchable pass for a TD reception. Mike Sellers dropped a sure TD. The 4th throw was in the direction of Randle El, who struggled to get away from a Ram defender holding ARE's jersey with both hands -- a terrible 'no call' by the official. It very easily could have been Campbell, 3 for 3 with 2 TDs, inside the 10."

How does this support your contention that the problem is Zorn, not Campbell? Besides the question of who was on the field, that is.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 23, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

He wasn't talking about just lining up and smashing the ball in, he was talking about taking advantage of matchups. Cooley could have caught 20 balls in each game no one was covering him. Zorn stopped calling his number, if you have a matchup that works exploit it until it doesn't work.

The problem is Zorn wants his style of offense to work, so he has to stick to some gameplan. gameplans are great but a good OC sees when something is working and sticks with it screw the playbook.

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 23, 2009 11:56 AM

I couldn't agree more. That's what so vexing to me. ARE, Cooley have not been covered yet. Make teams adjust to them. Make teams respect our WRs in the red zone.

Posted by: TWISI | September 23, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

We seem to lose to the worst teams in the league because of turnovers at the worst times. Yet, we believe the "Mr. Butterfingers" Aldridge is the answer to get us going. The only way he sees the field is if the bus carrying Portis, Betts, Mason, and lord help us, Rock Cartwright goes off a cliff. I see the 2009 version of Leigh Torrance all over this one. Aldridge is the answer for nothing.

Posted by: dcwun | September 23, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Sonny, you lost respect for this team and the game of football. Victory formation was your favorite play when the lame azz Gus was the QB. Why not now? Support the players and coaches or shut your face.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 23, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

"Um, not to belabor the obvious, but maybe Zorn doesn't think the Skins win those matchups."

Well we know for sure that Zorn didn't win his, either.

Posted by: psps23 | September 23, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Skins fans are some of the best in the league. Can we not appreciate a great D or have we been reduced to only understanding TDs.


Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 23, 2009 12:00 PM


I'll sum it up for you:

If we beat the Jets 9-7, I feel great about it.

If we beat Baltimore, Pittsburgh, or San Diego by that same score I'm ecstatic.

Not scoring a single touchdown against a team that hasn't won a game since the middle of last year and was last in just about every category defensively isn't a defensive dogfight. It's a shame.

But the Rams game is sooo last week...time to turn our eyes to Detroit.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 23, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

A lot of his fumbles were being poked out and knocked out with helmets. Coughlin also taught Tiki to intiate the contact so the defender had to take the hit instead of delivering a hit to the ball. I don't know if this will work with AA.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | September 23, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

According to NFL.com Double-A (or AA whatev' you want to call him) 5'9" 185 lbs
Barber: 5'10" 205 lbs

That is a big difference in size.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 23, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

How does this support your contention that the problem is Zorn, not Campbell? Besides the question of who was on the field, that is.

Posted by: Samson151

That is part of it. Zorn needed to put his team in a position to succeed. Why have Sellers run that pattern? Betts is a natural for it, Sellers isn't. Throw to Thomas? Kelly won the job over Thomas and its Kelly getting the majority of work with Campbell.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 23, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

So my question is what are our "bread & butter" plays & do we have the talent to really have them succeed consistently?

Posted by: will_ga

The problem isn't Redskin "bread & Butter plays." The problem is the redskins don't have them anymore. They've been replaced with Bread & Margerine Plays.

Once the team's B&B play was a Counter Trey. RB took a jab step to influence the line, then countered back the other way, often lead by a tight end, and two pulling linemen.

The "B&M" play is a single back, who doesn't fake, who frequently doesn't have a lead blocker, and is no longer fast enough or quick enough to get outside behind stretch play zone blocking. And against the Giantshe had to run around his own center, who'd been riven five yards into his own backfield.

Posted by: TheCork | September 23, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Zeke,
Thanks for the unique insights. We disagree on the halfback option, and I thought the 4th down call running left 4 consecutive times was the worst one of the game.

JZ has got to start calling a few bootlegs. He's shown enough sweeps inside the 20 that people will bite.

Matchups: Fred Davis and Chris Cooley are both physically capable of beating LB in coverage. If they put a 2 TE / 2 WR package in, then split both TE wide, you will generate a matchup problem somewhere, since they're not likely to have their nickle in against that package.

If they do have their nickel in, audible to a run. If you start ripping off 5+ gains, they will have to do something.

If the Lie-Ons are stupid and stay in the nickel, steamroll them. If they switch to a base, split the TE wide.


JZ must not trust a lot of his players, including Davis. The thing is he's just got to let 'er rip. This kind of caution leads to 8-8 at best...

Posted by: dpc2003 | September 23, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Sonny, you lost respect for this team and the game of football. Victory formation was your favorite play when the lame azz Gus was the QB. Why not now? Support the players and coaches or shut your face.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 23, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

The problem is Zorn wants his style of offense to work, so he has to stick to some gameplan. gameplans are great but a good OC sees when something is working and sticks with it screw the playbook.

Posted by: Flounder21

Indeed! It's called making adjustments, which Zorn fails to do because it deviates from his gameplan.

This is reason number #14 why Zorn is a hack twit.

A good coach will have the sense to figure to himself: "F it. Yeah, I'd like to run the scripted plays I worked on all week, but this here is working."

Posted by: RedDMV | September 23, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

THOW TO MARCO. Thats my call in the red zone.

Posted by: alex35332 | September 23, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

I remember that play, ZZ. It was, as most of the day, abyssmal!

Posted by: DikShuttle | September 23, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Let's beat the crap of the Lions. Period.

Posted by: BrokenClipboard | September 23, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

That is part of it. Zorn needed to put his team in a position to succeed. Why have Sellers run that pattern? Betts is a natural for it, Sellers isn't. Throw to Thomas? Kelly won the job over Thomas and its Kelly getting the majority of work with Campbell.

Posted by: zcezcest1

Blaming Zorn for the Sellers drop is a stretch. The play call worked. The player dropped it. Seller has caught TD's in the past. He is a pro and should have caught the ball. There are plenty of other play calls to criticize. The pass to Sellers isn't one of them.

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Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | September 23, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

BTW, on another subject, if Snyder, as seems likely, loses the "Redskins" trademark, what will happen?

1) Will he keep the name? Without trademark protection, he does not have exclusive rights to merchandise.

2) What will he call the team if he changes the name?

I kinda liked the "Who-Ers" suggestion earlier. Washington Who-Ers, gotta nice ring to it.

Washington Partisans?

Posted by: dpc2003 | September 23, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Fandom is all up in the JZ and the O's a$$ because that is the part of the team that is FAILING to consistently perform like professionals. They don't have any margin for error, particularly of the numb skulled mental variety.

Its one thing to get physically beaten on a play, and it will happen on occasion. The other team has players, too.

But to continually fail to make simple professional plays like "catch the football" or "remember the snap count" or "use the correct blocking scheme" or "don't run out of bounds when the clock is your friend" or "don't try an obvious trick that will fool no one especially if your line can't sell the play" is unsatisfactory and I really don't think its too much to expect the team to be able to consistently achieve these baseline performance levels.

As I said before, booing is the only option if you bleed Burgundy and Gold since childhood and you see a team that is on the cusp of putting it all together but is infuriatingly failing the simple things. Storming the field to get in somebody's grill will only get you arrested, LOL.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | September 23, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

brown, I'll sum it up for you. That's a win.

Do you want to play our best ball in the first half of the season lime last year or in the second half?

That was an NFL football team that beat us last year. That's our winning formula play D, possess the ball, take your FGs.

We got hayney and orakpo, defense by design, know it, love it, live it

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 23, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Not to throw water on the fire, but didn't the Redskins need a punt return TD in the 4th quarter to scape out a win in Detroit in the 1st half of last year when the team was on the way to 6-2 and playing with confidence? This year's team is playing not to lose and it shows in the way that Zorn calls his plays. The Lions have nothing to lose since they are 0-19 and a win against anyone would make there season.

I'm sure they have confidence about beating the Redskins after being ahead in the 4th quarter last year. I would not be surprised if the Skins lose a close game similar to the one against the Bengals last year.

Posted by: wizfan89 | September 23, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

With Zorn, its really an accumulation of things. Play calling, trust, game management, readiness and, in some cases, player motivation.

Zorn deserved an opportunity to grow into the HC job. He has had the opportunity, but hasn't grown into he job.

Some people want Zorn to finish the year. Look at SF last year. They fired Nolan and Singletary had it turned around within 2 weeks.

It is time to make the change.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | September 23, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

winning isn't failing, ya who-er

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 23, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

2) What will he call the team if he changes the name?


Posted by: dpc2003 | September 23, 2009 12:20 PM


I don't know what HE would do, but I've always liked the idea of changing the name to either "Warriors" or "Warpath" and going to the throwback unis with the spear helmet and gold pants. That way you keep the history and the fight song stays relevant.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 23, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Sonny, you lost respect for this team and the game of football. Victory formation was your favorite play when the lame azz Gus was the QB. Why not now? Support the players and coaches or shut your face.

Posted by: pabrian2003


What are you talking about?

So, Jurgensen, a hall of famer, all-time great passer/game manager, all-time NFL QB, suddenly has no credence when he offers criticism because... why?

He called out the boy wonder, Jim Zorn?

He said something that you don't smile at upon hearing it? Something that makes your feeling hurt? Something that makes you feel that the Redskins are inadequate?

Again, Jurgensen questioning Zorn has some validity to it, like it or not. Just because it doesn't have the burgundy and gold flavor spin to it doesn't make it invalid.

And yes, while defense is probably more important than offense in the grand scheme, against some teams you should be able to score TDs damn near at will.

Exhibit A: The St. Louis Rams

No one is saying that they have to go all N.O. and score 6 TDs a game. But I think it's been like 30 something games since the 'skins put a zero behind the three on the scoreboard.

Like it's asking the offense to move worlds to score an offense.

FANS ARE TIRED OF THE F'N INEPTNESS AND MEDIOCRITY! From front office, to the coaches, to the players.

Name a season other than '99 you thought the team could at least contend for the conference championship.

And I mean truly and logically. Don't give some dumb bs like: "Every year because I'm a real fan" junk either.

That s*** don't fly no more.

Posted by: RedDMV | September 23, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

If you think we are going to win more than 6 games putting 9 points on the board and playing defense every week you are crazy. We are lucky it was the Rams last week or we would have had our lunch handed to us.

I can't believe they haven't tried a bootleg down near the goal line. If they ran that with Fred Davis or Yoder they would be wide open. Plus Campbell has the option to make a play with his legs if nothing is there.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | September 23, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

zce: "Had that play gone to the middle, the clock would have wound down to the 2 minute warning. The third down play would occur AFTER the 2 minute warning. The time to run 2 plays plus the 40 seconds between plays would have taken the clock down to around 1:10. But by running that short side sweep, the Rams wound up with 1:55 to try to get the winning FG instead of 1:10. It was a HUGE HUGE blunder by Jim Zorn. That difference of 45 seconds could have easily been the difference between a win and a loss. Of all the blunders, this was the one dwarfed the others. The dwindling game clock was Zorn's best friend, and he stopped it with a terrible call."

This is an interesting point. Of course, it may be that he called the play because it looked to him that it would work (based on what he was getting from the spotter in the sky box). Still, your argument definitely has some merit.

Posted by: Samson151 | September 23, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

*on offense

Posted by: RedDMV | September 23, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

On throwing to Sellers: I've been surprised they haven't thrown to him before, after his success in 2005. The guy's a decent receiver, but the real advantage is that people seem to forget to cover him. He averaged 8.2 yards a catch last season, which is actually a little better than Portis.

He just dropped it.

Devin Thomas' drop was easier to understand -- still, he should have had it. When do we see Marko Mitchell?

Posted by: Samson151 | September 23, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Beep Beep

Posted by: Flounder21 | September 23, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

sonny didnt suddenly lose it, he's been slowly losing it over the last years.

Exhibit A- sonnys love of Gus frerotte throwing the ball away

I used to love those guys coverage, the last few times I've heard it its horrible sounds like bitter drunk old men.

We won, 1-0 at home.

Why would anyone expect the offense to be better, because we added...um....dockery? Where's the logic? Cheerleaders and fantasy owners and TD who-ers

Posted by: pabrian2003 | September 23, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Brownwood,

Wrote out a long reply, and the sucker got held, for some reason. Should have copied it before submission.

I'll sum up: Professionals shouldn't be affected I suppose, but I believe they still are, though to a lesser extent than younger levels of play.

Certainly fans aren't the only basis for home success, but I think you would agree that a supportive, loud fan base at home gives a better advantage than a quiet, booing home field. Without a doubt, there is such a thing as home field advantage, I think we could agree on that. We should be maximizing it, not pummeling it.

Golf is different, of course. But teams are made up of individuals, and if you pummel someone with an idea, it can get in there head - and it only takes a few players to have a lousy mindset to make a big, negative difference.


Agree that teams can respond to negativity with a chip on their shoulder, but look:

'05 and '07 were sweet, but the fans, especially in '07, weren't up in arms like they are right now. The team still had our support - it was outside of us where the criticism came for the most part. This time, we are eating ourselves up from the inside - in fact, the only reason many in the national media are picking the Lions is because of the meltdown taking place INSIDE the beltway, which has been precipitated by the local media and fanbase panicking after just two games - and they are 1-1.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | September 23, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

So there are certain plays that Zorn wants run "no matter what the defense shows." So basicly he'd rather throw away a play than let his QB(who he would remove from the game)change it up. Yea, he'll be looking for work in January.

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | September 23, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Glad they picked up Alridge. Let's see if he gets any time; they could use his speed at that position.

Posted by: shaunsherman12

Do you really think they'll activate him anyway? They'd have to keep either Mitchell or Mason out. Maybe in a couple of weeks.

I'd like to see what the kid can do, but given our conservative rookie unfriendly coaching staff, I don't expect to see him for a while.

Posted by: REXskins | September 23, 2009 11:22 AM

He should just occupy RT's slot, so they don't have to keep Mitchell or Mason out. They could, but don't have to.

Posted by: stevek20147 | September 23, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Repeat after me:

Snyder is to blame
Snyder is to blame
Snyder is to blame

For those who think that all he wants to do is win....you're wrong. That's not all he wants to do. All he wants to do is fleece the fans. The smart ones have left. That's why message boards like Extremeskins and the Post have become nothing but bastions of ignorance.

Posted by: Randy_Hawkins | September 23, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

wow check this article out....shows that Campbell holds the ball the longest after every sack http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/09/23/which-quarterbacks-hold-the-ball-too-long/?tid=sbn

Posted by: tc200716 | September 23, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

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