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Sean Taylor - All Pro

Sean was named to the second team defense today, a high honor, particularly given he was only able to play half a season.

To me, All Pro is a much greater distinction that Pro Bowl - with a crazy flawed voting system - yet it gets none of the hype. This is for the entire NFL, not split by conference, and is generally a far better indication of performance and not a popularity contest.

By Jason La Canfora  |  January 9, 2008; 5:04 PM ET
 
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Hail Sean Taylor. Rest in Peace.

Posted by: 4-12 | January 9, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Alot better than the pro bowl voting

Posted by: SAK2 | January 9, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Sean Taylor is the all-pro team.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 9, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Agreed. All Pro is closer to reality ... but Lofa Tatupu better than Nick Barnett is closer to fiction. Still, these are the guys who are really the best players in the league this year.

[Oh, and Nnamdi Asomugha got robbed in this selection too ... Asomugha had been thrown at only 27 times in the first 14 games this season and only allowed nine catches ... he will be the franchise tagged guy no one will have heard of ... like Charles Grant on the Saints or Justin Smith of the Bengals last year ... if the opponent game plans against you and avoids you, you get no credit.]

Posted by: dcsween | January 9, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Re: the coaching search, if The Owner really wants to play Jerrah Jones, he should interview as many guys as he can over this next time period ... just to pick the brains of some of the footballingest-thinking people in football about what they might do to make the Skins a winning team. He might learn something he might not have thought about if he does so.

Posted by: dcsween | January 9, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Wonder what Barno will have to complain about in this post.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 9, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

I believe Barno would say that Jasno is biased against the pro-bowl because of his all-pro fan upbringing in Baltimore.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 9, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

The one thing Barno could NOT complain about is how Jasno has been been blog-thread-starting his guts out over the past couple days!

Posted by: dcsween | January 9, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

"The all pro voting system isn't flawed!"
- Barno

Posted by: puttinforbird | January 9, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

sween- Or he could one up Jerrah, appoint himself GM AND Head Coach of the 'Skins, keeping the rest of the coaching staff intact for continuity, vigilance, balance, maps, Fiesta magazines, like such as.

Posted by: 4-12 | January 9, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Add Snyder to the list. 1,000,000/1

Posted by: 4-12 | January 9, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Nobody bothers me, except JLC!

-Barno Rhee

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 9, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if the Pro Bowl gets more attention because they don't play an All-Pro game.

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 9, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Jasno,

Does Sean (Sean's estate, anyway) get any money from the league or from the Redskins (under his contract) for getting voted to the pro-bowl or for getting second team All Pro? I thought that there were near-standard incentives of around $100,000 for these things in most contracts and that would be enough money to pay for his daughter's college down the road.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 9, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

He could also start himself at QB, thus one-upping Jerrah Jones and Isaiah Thomas by becoming The Owner/GM/Coach/Star Player.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 9, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

t_e, I don't think Jasno reads the blog responses anymore. To ask a question, try to get it in early on the chat, and then try email (I thinking he's a little constipated on responding to his emails right now ... Gibbs resigning his guts out and all).

Joe Gibbs may fade, but "guts out" is forever.

Posted by: dcsween | January 9, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

4-12/etrod, somewhere a unicorn just earned its wings.

Posted by: dcsween | January 9, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Man, I thought I really knew football, but I never caught.made the distinction between Pro Bowl and All-Pro. I've heard commentators refer to someone as "All Pro" but I thought that meant they'd been to the Pro Bowl.

Posted by: nojunk4me | January 9, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

TE- NFL Network reported that Sean's family will be flown to Hawaii at the league's expense and will receive his paycheck for the game.

Posted by: NCICURN | January 9, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

etrod, it wouldn't be unprecedented. Snyder would be following in the legendary footsteps of Lud Hanson, owner/coach/general manager/star player of the Trenton Rough-necks in 1905. Hanson had a pretty good season that year, throwing 35 complete games, 22 shutouts and hitting 25 homers. Too bad in 'aught-six' he succumbed to the lumbago.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 9, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Skins have enough holes that in round 1, they draft best available player. You don't want a pricey bust. I would take a DB, LB, DL, OL or WR (6' 2" or bigger). For the rest of the draft, go heavy on OL. Overall, at least 3 picks on O-line.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 9, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Serious question: for teams that are done for the season, can other teams talk to the unrestricted free agents? Or does the season not end till after the Super Bowl? I'm assuming that paychecks stop rolling in after the last game and showing up to work out, for OTAs, maps, such as, etc. is on the player's dime.

Posted by: dcsween | January 9, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Anybody else having problems posting? It seems like everyother one doesn't make it. Anyway I'll be happy as long as whomever they draft in the first round (hell second and third rounds for a change too) is a starting caliber player and not a bust. They have enough holes to fill (DE, LB, CB, OT, OG) that it really doesn't matter.

One benefit if they get Cowher is that he's proven adept at replacing his DE/LBs over time (i.e., Kevin Greene, Greg Lloyd, Joey Porter, etc.). From what I've read those guys are easier to find than a quality 4-3 DE. The big deal maybe finding a stud NT ala Casey Hampton if that guy isn't currently on the roster.

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | January 9, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Your mistake was small potatoes compared to Joe Gibbs referring to the same player as "Ethan Allen". (It's a bad day for a football player when the head coach basically calls that player a piece of furniture.)

Posted by: tafka | January 9, 2008 04:21 PM

Coach Joe is old enough that he might have been confusing Albright with the original Ethan Allen, of Green Mountain Boys fame.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 9, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

"Serious question: for teams that are done for the season, can other teams talk to the unrestricted free agents? Or does the season not end till after the Super Bowl? I'm assuming that paychecks stop rolling in after the last game and showing up to work out, for OTAs, maps, such as, etc. is on the player's dime."

In response :

I believe that teams are not allowed to speak to players until mid-night of the day that Free Agency begins (whatever day in March it is).

Now if a team talks to the players agent, I also believe, that is a different story.

If I'm wrong, someone please correct me....

Posted by: bigmurf08 | January 9, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

mtnskinsfan -- great minds thinking alike!!!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 9, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

I'm thinking first week of March for the start of UFA. Can't remember which day though.

Another serious question: Did Kost get lost in the Outback? He's been gone a long time.

Posted by: 4-12 | January 9, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Re: Rooney Rule candidates - the candidate only has to be a minority, i.e. non-white, not specifically African American. Snyder could interview Norm Chow if he wanted to, and Chow would count.

Here's my problem with the Rooney Rule: sometimes (not all the time, e.g. Mike Tomlin) it ends up just being a formality. If indeed there is nothing in Williams' contract about his ascendancy to the HC position, AND IF Snyder wants him to be the HC, I would bet that Snyder is now kicking himself. He'll have to find a pool of candidates, one of which must be a minority, and interview them, even if he has already decided to promote Williams. In other words, he is forced, by the Rooney Rule, to waste not only his time, but also the candidates' time, when they could be interviewing for jobs elsewhere (or not interviewing at all). I'd hate to be the minority candidate in that position, knowing in the back of my mind that it's not a serious interview, but rather an owner just going through the motions because he's told to do so.

Personally, the Rooney Rule would be better if they removed the "prior contractual commitment" part - I mean, what if you hire an assistant coach at some point and you don't honestly know how they will turn out (so you don't make a contractual commitment), and they end up exceeding your expectations, your head coach retires, and you now want to promote from within? I understand the spirit of the rule, and there are enough good ol' boys who own NFL teams out there who need to be reminded that head coaches come in more colors than white, but why hamstring a team when discrimination is the furthest thing from their collective minds?

Would this even be an issue if GW were not white? Would interviews still need to be held with other candidates if GW were a minority? Isn't this a form of discrimination in itself - "we can't promote you outright because you're white and we didn't make a prior contractual commitment"?

Wouldn't it be nice if owners could just hire the best person for the job, and color didn't matter at all?

Posted by: jaradel | January 9, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Found these dates:

Feb. 20-26 NFL scouting combine, Indianapolis.

Mar. 30-Apr. 3 NFL annual meeting, Palm Beach, Fla.

April 26-27 NFL draft, New York.

May 19-21 NFL spring meeting, Atlanta.

The league set these dates at the beginning of the year. My memory is that the date for tagging (franchise/transition) precedes the start of free agency, but I haven't been able to find out either over the intergooglewebtubes.

Posted by: dcsween | January 9, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Wouldn't it be nice if owners could just hire the best person for the job, and color didn't matter at all?

Posted by: jaradel | January 9, 2008 05:44 PM

They still can and it still does.

Posted by: dcsween | January 9, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Rooney rule is a good one. If nothing else, a number of candidates get experience in interviewing. Which sounds small, but its been helpful to a number of guys.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 9, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

"These are my awards, mother, from Army. The seal is for marksmanship, and the gorilla is for sand-racing."

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 9, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

mtnskinsfan -- great minds thinking alike!!!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 9, 2008 05:42 PM

I was about to post that as well.

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | January 9, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

One thing I just thought of, if we go outside and get a new coach and Saunders is gone, then we probably do need to get a backup quarterback somewhere, cause Collins is the definition of a system guy.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 9, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

It occurred to me a little while ago that Snyder's coaching selection is sort of like our Super Bowl this year.

I am prepared to be happy and relieved if he taps Gregg Williams and opts for stability and team unity, or to be despondent if he snatches defeat from the jaws of victory by bringing in someone from outside and undoing everything that was built this year.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 9, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

I think the Rooney Rule is beneficial for the potential coach and for the team. The coach is getting experience interviewing for a head coaching position and networking with execs for future jobs. The team is getting new and fresh ideas from a coach that they might not have interviewed otherwise. It is unfortunate in our society that the rule has to be put in place, but it works.

My question is if, for example, hiring a special teams or line coach, the Rooney Rule still applies?

Posted by: puttinforbird | January 9, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

I believe Barno would say that Jasno is biased against the pro-bowl because of his all-pro fan upbringing in Baltimore.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 9, 2008 05:20 PM

LOL! Except Barno doesn't refer to Jasno by name anymore--he is simply "the beat reporter".

Posted by: Alan4 | January 9, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

wouldn't it be nice if $20 bills grew on trees, if weed was free, if cars ran on happy thoughts? Wouldn't it be nice if hamburgers made you thin, if beer was a healthy? Wouldn't it be nice if we could vacation on Mars?

Posted by: chrislarry | January 9, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

4-12, I was going to suggest that we have that our maven of offbeat news, 4-12, scour the online papers for weird stories from Down Unda -- "Melbourne man arrested after challenging croc to drinking bout, winning," "Melbourne man's girlfriend says "It's me or that American football blog'," that sort of thing. What I'm saying is, you do it.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 9, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

If you had a $20 bill tree, what difference would it make if weed was free?

Posted by: dcsween | January 9, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Since I can not exert my will upon Snyder I will just have to abide by his decisions. I feel much like you do, Freakzilla, but I guess that I will just let it all wash over me.

In the end it is all of our fantasies to be the owner of a NFL team and have the biggest toy on the block. I feel like the kid who after Christmas gets to compare his stocking with what Dan Snyder has to play with.

Posted by: driley | January 9, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

dude food and video games would still cost money...

Posted by: chrislarry | January 9, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sure The Owner's stocking is that big (you know, big hands ... big gloves?).

Posted by: dcsween | January 9, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Good call Nate. Off I go...

Posted by: 4-12 | January 9, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

dude food and video games would still cost money...


Posted by: chrislarry | January 9, 2008 05:57 PM

yeah 20's off that tree

Posted by: roweq | January 9, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Wait, beer isn't healthy?

Crap.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 9, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

What about a tree that grew weed AND money?

Oh, right, that's called a growing operation.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 9, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

So basically the Rooney rule is represented by grow fields in Northern California.....its a win win! (for the league/producer)

Posted by: chrislarry | January 9, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

yo Nate, you on my list...u were in NYC and no meet up? c'mon man thats not how we roll!

Posted by: chrislarry | January 9, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Wait, doesn't weed grow on trees?

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 9, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 9, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

and then you get your 20's

Posted by: roweq | January 9, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Smack no way! Its made by magic elves, dude everyone knows that!

Posted by: chrislarry | January 9, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Australian stoner steal two crocodiles and a monkey. I'm getting closer....

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=cp_fm1q56c5d9&show_article=1&catnum=9

Posted by: 4-12 | January 9, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

cL, killed me dude, this trip was too short.

Meet up next time, in 3-4 weeks. I'll let you fellas know.

The Seattle showing was so phenomenal that it will be hard to live up to. Which reminds me that I better write something down about that before I forget everything -- or maybe writing with a very free creative license would be better anyway.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 9, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

soooorrrryyy NYC doesn't cut it anymore....if ain't high faluttin P Diddy and WaPo celebs it aint siht?!?!?!

I guess you don't want that Black Keys concert hook up in Portland after all....

Posted by: chrislarry | January 9, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

jm220 has already said he's IN next time, cL. That should sweeten the pot sufficiently to get back in your good graces, no?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 9, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

"I think trees are weeds" - Dan Snyder

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | January 9, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

And yes, I am definitely interested in the hookup for Black Keys in Portland.

It's April 4. Just announced. Ahem.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 9, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

OK, how close is Arlington, Oregon to the PDX? Mayor Ms. Lingerie.

http://www.komotv.com/news/local/13502702.html

Sorry, digressed from search...

Posted by: 4-12 | January 9, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

sounds good, just don't let the dude pick the returant......no alfalfa pasta and wheat grass virgin martinis for me....

u know I am just bustin ur chops Natedawg

Posted by: chrislarry | January 9, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Nate email me your home address, I will hook you with new CD....I will do my best for PDX show.

Posted by: chrislarry | January 9, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Beer is a heath food, definitely. And I believe George Halas was the original football player, coach, owner.

Posted by: Markin21132 | January 9, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Kost's real name isn't Virgilio Cintron, is it? This is straight out of Weekend at Bernie's.

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,23027643-5012895,00.html

Posted by: 4-12 | January 9, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

did someone say weed? yet another thing you can find in "my" basement along with snyder with NORM CHOW! giddy up jason!

Posted by: dealer | January 9, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Never mind. That happened in NYC

Posted by: 4-12 | January 9, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

soooorrrryyy NYC doesn't cut it anymore....if ain't high faluttin P Diddy and WaPo celebs it aint siht?!?!?!

LMGO!!! hahahaaaaha funny. how come wilbon didn't show up? didn't he know diddy was gonna be there?

Posted by: dealer | January 9, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

The All Pro team should play the Peoples choice team in the pro bowl rather than the NFC AFC joke game of the year.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 9, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

he coulda added that dinner to the one he had with bonds. "ohh yeah i knew p diddy was gonna marry that japanese porn star, i had a dinner with him once where he discussed his fear for blondes..."

ermmmm, mr. wilbon, that wasn't the real p diddy. did you even look up once off your plate?

Posted by: dealer | January 9, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Nate,

In your embellished account of the evening, don't forget to mention that you were coming from a Star Wars convention and were still in costume. ;)

Posted by: freakzilla | January 9, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, zilla, had I not been laboring under the crushing weight of disappointment, alternating utter boredom with total confusion, and disillusionment at the collapse of another childhood icon whilst enduring Episodes I, II and III, I might have a sharper memory of young Obi-Wan's appearance. And therefore might not have put together an ensemble that made me look identical to him, like a complete chooch.

Alas.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 9, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Instead of worrying about the coaching situation or who to draft this year, I've been working on time travel so I can go back and fix that shabingus in Seattle (the game, not the evening).

Trouble is every time I turn it on, gray smoke comes out of the silver thing on the top and the purple lever on the side keeps falling off.

Will keep you posted.
(F the space/time continuum)

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 9, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Stumped,

I think the word you are looking for is not continuum, but rather perineum. As in the the time space perineum. As in, "It's usually a happy time and I'm in a good space when she touches my perineum."

I hope this clears things up for you. Ironically enough, Nate missued this same word in the previous post, when he used the word "cooch", when he obviously meant to use the word "gooch".

Any time I can be helpful, just let me know.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perineum

Posted by: dchandl3 | January 9, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Virgilio Cintron used to post up here as Perineum. Had this strange fixation with Priest Holmes.

Guess he won't be making it to the NY meet-up. R.I.P., brother.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 9, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

As I recall, Virgilio Cintron used to post up here as Perineum. Had this strange fixation with Priest Holmes.

Guess he won't be making it to the NY meet-up. R.I.P., brother.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 9, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Why did they find it necessary to point out that the perineum is inferior to the pelvic diaphragm? That was totally uncalled for!

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 9, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Dchan,
Back in school you must have been either pre-med or seriously disturbed. ;)

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 9, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

As I recall, I used to double-post when my lame-ass jokes weren't showing up as quickly as I would have liked.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 9, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

My transversi perinæi superficiales hurts.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 9, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

SMACK, meant to ask you earlier the same thing asked of Redcoat re: Shula. Your recollection of how you felt in Landry's final years, and then when he was dumped by Jones.

You know, to give us some perspective on watching the Greatest Coach in Franchise History go through not-so-glorious seasons and then be shown the door.

But that seems so serious given that we've turned our attention southward, to the nether regions...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 9, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Stumped the smoke could be caused by your flux capacitors polarity flowing in the opposite direction of your fusion generator, you may want to just trying duck-taping the purple lever back on.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 9, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

I do miss Periculum.

The dude was really out in left field (and admitted to just trying to stir the pot), but there was something oddly compelling about his comments. Akin to:

"If unicorns had wings, then they would eat ham sandwiches."

QED

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 9, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

I was never smart enough to make it in to med school, so I had to settle for seriously disturbed.

Posted by: dchandl3 | January 9, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

alex,

coat hangar, check.
3:1 oil, check.
duct tape, check.
hose clamps, check.

It's all good.

(hope I don't throw the breakers again)

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 9, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

stick a penny in the breakers that will hold em.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 9, 2008 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Nate, I mentioned earlier that I actually jumped for joy the day I heard. It was perfect because I was just keying into my dorm room at GW, and my Eagles fan buddy told me, expecting me to be crestfallen.

However, the circumstances aren't that similar. Landry's last team was horrible, and Landry was on the sideline calling for player who had retired years earlier. We were on the verge of nothing.

Also, I was a huge Hurricanes fan, so it was my beloved college coach coming to coach my favorite football team. I told my buddy, give him three years, we'll win a Super Bowl.

Football is a business. If I started looking at a kangaroo and trying to sell it as a frog at work, people wouldn't give a sjk what kind of hat I wore. I'd be out. I think it was the only event in my life that my foresight was 20/20.

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 9, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

SMACK1,

What kind of a pet store do you work in? None of the ones here in Portland sell kangaroos?

Posted by: dchandl3 | January 9, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Aye, gotcha, SMACK.

There is also the thing where Bill Walsh hung around the Niners in some capacity or other and tried to advise them back to glory. As another precedent, maybe. But we don't have any admitted Niners fans up here to testify to that. Which is just as well.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 9, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

It's a beer, kangaroo, and frog store. We only sell hops.

Bada bing!

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 9, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

dchandl, maybe you just stumbled on what kind of trouble has prevented our man kost52 from blogging his guts out since he left on holiday holiday: caught kangaroo smuggling!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 9, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Sean Taylor will always be a Pro. Rest in Peace #21.

Posted by: goskins21 | January 9, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

A fitting honor. The man was a baller. R.I.P. Boom-King

Posted by: mjwies11 | January 9, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

SMACK, you know Leno and Letterman's writers are on strike, right? Here's your big chance.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 9, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: JustMe | January 9, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Another covert attempt by 'zilla to get rid of me. Man, I really am missing those writers, especially during this season of low hanging political primary fruit. I mean, Huckabee is walking around with Chuck Norris on a leash, perhaps to support his stance that the theory of evolution is science fiction. Huck knows that Chuck Norris could not have come from apes.

Although he may have come from Pakistan illegally. You can't be too careful.

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 9, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Huck and Chuck.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 9, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Hill and Bill.

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 9, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

cl, and nate, (or do you prefer obi-wan now)??
Don't miss the Black Keys!! One of my favorite bands, and one of the best live bands I've seen. Seen them twice, and will be sure to go anytime they're even close to home. Tremendous live act. Hail!

Posted by: puttinforbird | January 9, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Not Jerry Gray! I love Jerry Gray! If Blache isn't going to do the dog and pony show (mostly b/c he's thinking about hanging it up anyway), Jerry Gray was going to be my guy for DC in the Grilliams regime. Skip the interviews (or interview Jerry Gray right now ... so he can have a pre-existing contractual arrangement), keep Jerry Gray!

Posted by: dcsween | January 9, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

The bad news about the draft -- its a crappy year for seniors.

The good news about the draft -- lots of the awesome juniors who would be awesome for the Skins declared at the end of last week, beginning of this one: Calais Campbell (DE/Miami), Kenny Phillips (S/Miami), Derrick Harvey (DE/Florida), and Aqib Talib (CB/Kansas). Another dude I like, Ray Rice (RB/Rutgers) also has declared, as has Erin Henderson, our favorite son (LB/Maryland).

Should be an exciting year to mock to mocks after all.

Posted by: dcsween | January 9, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

I'm with you on Jerry Gray, Sween.

In fact, I think we need to kidnap all of our coaches until "the process" is over.

I think the NFL needs to amend the Rooney Rule so that you can promote a HC from within without conducting interviews, regardless of what you may or may not have promised him contractually. Seriously, look at all of the unnecessary handwringing and potential attrition we're dealing with right now, which could all be prevented if we didn't have to jump through these hoops.

I'm all for interviewing minority coaches, but that process should be benign to a franchise. If part of the rule jeopardizes a team's stability, then that part of the rule should be stricken.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 9, 2008 10:02 PM | Report abuse

OK, I hear pre-crickets. OK, before I go, is everyone convinced that keeping Saunders is a requirement for continuity? Why? Also, I know how everyone feels about the Ole Ball Coach, but what about Hue Jackson? What do you all think about him as an OC? Did he and Grilliams get along OK? Discuss.

Posted by: dcsween | January 9, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Man... you guys are some hardcore bloggers! I dropped in before beddy-bye-bye time to check if there were any updates on the Head Coach Wild Goose Chase - and you guys are straight bloggin your guts out...

Keepin it Real...

Greg can do it, he's our man;
if he can't do it, Russ Grimm can...

(after a year of two)

Just hire an F'in GM already to help Greg...

I'm all for Greg, but I almost wish they'd go outside for someone if that would get Vinny and crew the hell outta there... If that failed then, maybe Danny would hire a real GM...

Maybe they've finally learned to stop throwing stupid money around b/c it hurts their ability to build the team in all around in other key areas... We can only hope!

F all them nitwits that went and got that BAMF BLloyd, Archuleta and TJ for dumb money and draft picks.... F em again and again and again!

Posted by: EinVB | January 9, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

There is also the thing where Bill Walsh hung around the Niners in some capacity or other and tried to advise them back to glory. As another precedent, maybe. But we don't have any admitted Niners fans up here to testify to that. Which is just as well.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 9, 2008 07:55 PM

Do you guys really want Gibbs to stick around in any capacity? Yes, he's a legend, but whether you promote from within or hire from outside, nobody wants a babysitter, a ghost of christmas past, a Dr. Phil type figure hanging around. It's time to clean out that office, Joe.

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 9, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Sween...

I think Al should stay for the mainly JC's sake... I think his offense will work once we get clickin on all cylinders. Let Jason grow under the same system and we shall prosper. Unless someone there has insight to the fact that JC is not made for such a system, then F it and get Russ...

I have no idea on Al and GG... I wonder how that would work... Would Al feel awkard about coaching for Greg? That is something I always wondered... b/c he came here knowing he was under Joe and that is much different that being under Greg... Maybe that is what they are trying to smooth out, before the pull the trigger on promoting GG...

But

Posted by: EinVB | January 9, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

SMACK1, obviously you have not been keeping up on the news. Gibbs said he will not have an office here and will not be president because he does not want the new head coach thinking there is someone looking over his shoulder - wants the new head coach to be free to do his job. He will simply be on call (in Charlotte) if Dan Snyder needs him - or something like that.

I also heard that Williams and Saunders get along well.

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 9, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, you know I give you credit for being the most tuned in fan up here. But one of Jasno's posts said that Gibbs would have an office "until the transition was complete". A little vague if you ask me. I also read that Williams and Saunders are civil, but nothing more. So you may be reading different information than I am, with your comcast and such, but it would be knuckleheaded to prepose that I have not been keeping up with the news.

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 9, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse

I was wondering whether Sean would make it. Glad he did.

Posted by: Barno1 | January 9, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Coach, schmoach.

The choice at coach . . . yeah, it matters, but it's not the big story.

The big story is, what's going to be the post-Gibbs personnel management structure? Are Danny and Vinny going to be our key personnel guys?

Yes.

That's the key lesson Danny thinks he's learned from Joe. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it," Danny's line, refers specifically to the Danny-Vinny-president of football operations (formerly Joe G) triumvirate on personnel decisions.

The next coach won't have anything like the authority of St. Joe. Even if it's Cowher.

So, my droogies, I am not full of hope. Because I don't have any faith in Danny and Vinny, unmoored to the deep sense of St. Joe, to build a team.

Maybe I could start up a chant:

What do we want?

A GM.

When do we want him?

Now!

Posted by: farstriker | January 9, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

What do we want?

A GM!

When do we want him?

Now!

Posted by: farstriker | January 9, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

What do we want?

A GM!

When do we want him?

Now!

Posted by: farstriker | January 9, 2008 10:43 PM | Report abuse

My favorite boss of all time had two great mantras...

1) On the bus or under the bus.
2) If it ain't broke, break it.

He probably got run over by a bus eventually, but what a great boss!

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 9, 2008 10:43 PM | Report abuse

SMACK1, how come you aren't in Cancun this week?

Posted by: Xlnt | January 9, 2008 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Farstriker, you're absolutely right. The big decision has already been made. Whoever they bring in at coach won't matter. The team will continue to be hamstrung by the personnel structure, and will always have a ceiling above them because of this.

Now the Little Danny is all grown up and can make it on his own after all that he's learned from St. Joe! Three cheers for continuing to try to do something you haven't spent your life preparing for out of sheer personal vanity!

What do we want? A GM!
When do we want it? Now!

Posted by: makuke5 | January 9, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Hoping Snyder is carefully, quietly, methodically executing a Reasonable Plan and that our concerns are addressed relatively soon.

Let's not forget that Snyder was blindsided by this, too. It hasn't even been two days yet, though it feels like a week in internet time. A week ago we were all drooling over the possibility of beating Seattle and heading to Dallas...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 9, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

SMACK1, how come you aren't in Cancun this week?

Posted by: Xlnt | January 9, 2008 10:46 PM

Jessica Tandy cancelled on me.

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 9, 2008 10:52 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone have knowledge of Jon Gruden coming to Washington? Drop this knowledge if you do. I sense his presence.

Posted by: rbaghdad | January 9, 2008 10:54 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone have knowledge of Jon Gruden coming to Washington? Drop this knowledge if you do. I sense his presence.

Posted by: rbaghdad | January 9, 2008 10:54 PM

Don't look under the bed. REE REE REE REE!

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 9, 2008 10:56 PM | Report abuse

I heard Gruden was meating at Morton's.

Posted by: Xlnt | January 9, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Smack,

It was reported by Sportsnet and Peter King that Saunders and Williams get along well.

As for Gibbs, just because he is assisting Snyder in making the head coaching decision does not mean he has an office and will be looking over the new coachs shoulder. Gibbs said he plans to do the opposite. Personally, I am THRILLED that he may be helping Snyder with the decision (Joe says it will be Snyder's decision - not his) because we all know how bad Snyder's decisionmaking is.

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 9, 2008 11:05 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, that decision to buy the skins has really bitten him in the butt.

Posted by: daggar | January 9, 2008 11:08 PM | Report abuse

I get along well with my colleagues too. But if they hired one of them to be my boss, his sack would be swinging from my rear-view mirror. I don't even know what Sportsnet is, but I know that this thing is gonna blow up, and the sooner the better. At this point I just don't see Gibbs' continued influence as a good thing. It's like staying friends with your ex-Mother-in-Law.

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 9, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

I honestly think Joe Gibbs may yet be coaching the Skins next year. I think Snyder will drag out the coaching search and there is a possibility in two weeks he may ask Joe, "hey, you still sure about this...it's not too late to change" and Joe may say, "let's give it a go."

I know, a long shot and would be uncharacteristic of Gibbs, but the suddenness of Gibbs' decision was uncharacteristic too.

Posted by: masmvm | January 9, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Smack, I think Gibbs would nod his head in agreement and give you a bit of that medieval cackling laugh... he'll be gone as soon as the new coach is in place.

Posted by: daggar | January 9, 2008 11:15 PM | Report abuse

So leaving ALL the decision making to Snyder who loves making a big splash that does not work out is a GOOD thing? No way! And Gibbs is not going to be hanging around....I think he will be on a plane to Charlotte in the next day or so.

Sportsnet is a local television network dedicated to DC area sports...primarily Skins, Wizards, Caps.

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 9, 2008 11:20 PM | Report abuse

Lisa,
Table for three? I'm picturing a tiny naked and cherubic Joe Gibbs, fluttering around the halls of Redskin park on wings he borrowed from James Dean, landing on shoulders near and far, and doling out advice until the end of time.

You're probably right, daggar is probably right. I'm just here for the free drinks.

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 9, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

wow, where can I get those free drinks... on second thought, a naked and cherubic Gibbs? Maybe I'll stick with beer.

Posted by: daggar | January 9, 2008 11:32 PM | Report abuse

By the way what happened to the RB/Lisa dinner. If it didn't happen I am hanging the Skins playoff loss on that. I had called for at least public announcement of plans prior to last Saturday...

It didnt happen, we lossed...you can't mess with Mojo like that!

Thanks a lot....

Posted by: chrislarry | January 9, 2008 11:33 PM | Report abuse

I was just watching a replay of WashingtonPost Live on Comcast. Strawberry Shortcake was in the studio tonight, and they asked her if she thought it was weird that Gregg Williams wasn't endorsed in some way in yesterday's news conference. She said she didn't think it was weird at all. She went on to say that her personal opinion is that she thinks the discussions between Coach Gibbs and Dan Snyder went on for so long because she believes Coach Joe was trying to ensure that there would be some sort of continuity in the operation once he left. She said she couldn't see the idea of things being blown up sitting too well with Coach Gibbs, and that she could not see him being comfortable leaving with a blow-up looming. She also said that she believes Coach Gibbs hasn't publicly endorsed anyone so it will not be perceived that anyone other than Dan Snyder is selecting the new coach.

Posted by: JustMe | January 9, 2008 11:36 PM | Report abuse

smack, you know you're right. lisa would buy a condo in florida from people on sportsnet.

and i find the comment about gibbs saving danny from himself very humorous. when a reporter, probly lisa's friend, asked danny "what did you learn from gibbs?" or something like that...and danny, a 40 year old multi, multi, millionaire, obliged and gave a BS answer to which gibbs responded "dan's being modest. he's sitting up here at 40 i don't think i can teach him anything..."

true that. how can gibbs teach danny any thing about running a football team? gibbs went nuts with snyder's money. rember??????? trade baley, give portis a new deal, pay all assistants and their assts $2 mil, have the largest staff in nfl history, trade away all draft picks for an unproven QB, buy another offensive "system"...

c'mon now! if anything danny learned from gibbs mistakes. and obviously as smart as he is he will learn from his own all by himself.

THE DUDE IS 40!!!

also this "adviser" crap...that's all gibbs. i truely believe that. he wants to show his nascar clients a good time as an employee of the skins. what do you think they were talking about 2/3 in the morning? for like 12 hours?

joe: danny, i'm quitting.
danny: stop playin!
joe: no, i'm serious. i quit.
danny: stop playin!
joe: no. i quit.
danny: stop playin bla!
joe: dan, i quit.
danny: yo, joe c'mon man we got a championship up here next year.
joe: dan, i quit.
........... for real...

Posted by: dealer | January 9, 2008 11:37 PM | Report abuse

justme, thank you for that! and i'm soooooooooo soooooooooo glad that someone who covers the skins came out and used the KISS rule and not jump to some weird ass conclusions like...you know...

Posted by: dealer | January 9, 2008 11:39 PM | Report abuse

okay poker for 15 minutes and i'm done...
ergo dealer!

Posted by: dealer | January 9, 2008 11:44 PM | Report abuse

She's a good reporter, and the coaches and players seem to trust and respect her. Hell, even Sean Taylor gave her an interview during training camp.

Posted by: JustMe | January 9, 2008 11:45 PM | Report abuse

yep, she's awesome. i can't believe she's still local. i was trying to play a director and find flaws in her looks or the way she was reporting and i couldn't...she's perfect.

Posted by: dealer | January 9, 2008 11:47 PM | Report abuse

Man, I hope we never have a long-term blog outage.

I might get accused of taking productivity enhancers.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 10, 2008 12:00 AM | Report abuse

Where my WesCo peeps at? Dang. Here I am making great time writing this user's manual, when really I just wanna jibba jabba.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 10, 2008 1:07 AM | Report abuse

I was told there would be free drinks?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 10, 2008 1:34 AM | Report abuse

Nate, help yourself to anything in the corner cabinet, top shelf on the lazy susan. Vodka's in the freezer. Beer's in the fridge.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 10, 2008 1:42 AM | Report abuse

I'm here. Spent the afternoon and evening up on the mountain snowboarding. I also took a no drinking pledge for the month of January. Which means that I'm bored as heck right now when I should be in a bar getting plowed and making regrettable decisions.

Have the 'Skins found a head coach yet? Wake me up in April.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 10, 2008 2:39 AM | Report abuse

I wonder what Nate plans on writing about the festivities this past weekend. He better leave the part about the midget out. I don't think he stuck around to meet Barno either.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 10, 2008 2:41 AM | Report abuse

The more I post here the faster I'll get tired and the less likely it'll be for me to spend the evening surfing my ex's on Facebook and MySpace.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 10, 2008 2:42 AM | Report abuse

I think I'm in love with Strawberry Shortcake. I wish she was my "beat reporter".

Wow, did I just write that?

Posted by: PDiddy | January 10, 2008 2:44 AM | Report abuse

Wow, Diddy...January is one of those full-up months -- 31 big ones. Should have considered a shorter one like February or half of June since it has the longest day of the year and can therefore legally be split in half for a dry-month pledge.

Posted by: SoCal_SkinsFan | January 10, 2008 3:46 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | January 10, 2008 4:48 AM | Report abuse

Wow, you know it's quiet when there aren't even crickets chirping.


Anybody expecting Real News from the Park today?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 10, 2008 7:04 AM | Report abuse

Strawberry Shortcake?

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 10, 2008 7:05 AM | Report abuse

etrod,

Kelli Johnson, the reporter from Comcast Sportsnet: http://midatlantic.comcastsportsnet.com/talent.asp

Posted by: JustMe | January 10, 2008 7:25 AM | Report abuse

I am just reporting this, but I just heard Boomer Easison say on his NYC WFAN AM radio show that he knows Snyder offered Cowher in the area of 10 mil to coach skins and he declined. Now remember Cowher and Boomer are coworkers on CBS pre-game show....

Take it for what its worth..

Posted by: chrislarry | January 10, 2008 7:40 AM | Report abuse

I saw that, but where does Strawberry Shortcake come from? Rainbow Bright, maybe, but Strawberry Shortcake?

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 10, 2008 7:45 AM | Report abuse

If that is true, Chris Larry, all the respect I had gained for Snyder in the last 2 months is gone. That means all his talk about "continuity" was just BS.

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 10, 2008 7:45 AM | Report abuse

etrod,

I can't remember who started calling her that, so I'm not sure how they settled on Strawberry Shortcake. LOL

Posted by: JustMe | January 10, 2008 7:47 AM | Report abuse

Lisa,

who knows...I am just passing along a nugget I just heard come out of Boomer's mouth here in NYC...

We are all along for the ride right now, we bought our tix long ago. The saga will unfold soon enough and once it does the details of the journey will surface.

Posted by: chrislarry | January 10, 2008 7:48 AM | Report abuse

I broke a personal rule and read Wilbon this morning. Preview: the first name he drops for GM is none other than the name Old School dropped last summer ... Bobby DePaul. Good column ... hopefully wrong.

Posted by: dcsween | January 10, 2008 7:50 AM | Report abuse

um, not that sold on this strawberry shortcake myself, based on the website some of her female coleagues were way cuter...

Posted by: chrislarry | January 10, 2008 7:51 AM | Report abuse

The hopefully wrong part of Wilbon is the last two sentences.

Posted by: dcsween | January 10, 2008 7:52 AM | Report abuse

If he's dropping the name of a GM, it's probably wrong.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 10, 2008 7:52 AM | Report abuse

thanks for clarification, dc sweeny...I read it and was like...yes!

Hiring bobby depaul and GG would be maybe best of all possible worlds

- Pangloss Larry

Posted by: chrislarry | January 10, 2008 7:56 AM | Report abuse

If it is true that Cowher turned Danny down then my respect for Cowher's good sense just rocketed up.

I am not getting a good feeling in my stomach about what Snyder is up to at the moment...

Posted by: driley | January 10, 2008 7:58 AM | Report abuse

Boomer does seem honest...and it definitely sounds like something the "old Dan" would do...but what happened to the Rooney Rule and going through "the process"?

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 10, 2008 8:01 AM | Report abuse

I was just about to tell everyone to read Wilbon's article this morning. Great piece. The sad part is that the last two sentences are disturbingly accurate and we all know it.

Czaban also has a listener email on his blog this morning. It stresses what I've been saying all along, which is that Gibbs buying into Danny's circus way of running a professional sports team may doom this franchise forever.

Gibbs' shocking 4-year stamp of approval of this ridiculous, confusing, cluster fart of a front office, is just the reason Wilbon's last 2 sentences are spot on.

We'll never be better than a 5 or 6 seed, and we'll have a lot more 6-10 and 5-11 seasons, without better structure.

Posted by: RickyBobby | January 10, 2008 8:02 AM | Report abuse

Did anyone in here read Wilbon's column this morning? Hard to argue with many of his points. Our current structure isn't working, and he illustrates it with great examples of how great teams are structured and successful as a result.

Posted by: quinnskins | January 10, 2008 8:04 AM | Report abuse

quinnskins,

But hiring a GM and giving him full control means Danny can't have "any fun", which is the reason he dumped Marty.

Danny wants to be in the draft war room, he wants to wine and dine free agents and pretend he's a scout, he wants to conduct exit interviews with the players, etc. Honestly, why doesn't Napolean just name himself Owner/GM and name Vinny his assistant and be done with it. At that point, at least there would a line in the sand.

For the last 4 years, according to Gibbs, "all of us" made the decisions, and he wasn't just talking about Dan, Vinny, and himself. He was also talking about Al, he was also talking about Gregg, he was also talking about the 47 other assistant/associate/position coaches. How is that structure? You have a hierarchy in any business because you need that structure. You draw lines in the sand because without them there is mass confusion about who makes the decisions. Think about your jobs for a minute and ask yourselves if the Redskins way of doing business really represents "structure"? Heck, why do you think there have been so many miscommunications over the last 4 years? It's a mess.

Posted by: RickyBobby | January 10, 2008 8:18 AM | Report abuse

cl,

Isn't it funny how Napolean stressed how much patience he's learned from Joe Gibbs, yet 2 hours after the door hits Gibby on the arse, he's already on the phone with Cowher, throwing 10 mill at him before interviewing anybody else.

I believe Boomer. Why not?

Posted by: RickyBobby | January 10, 2008 8:22 AM | Report abuse

Unfortunately, I thing Danny will stay with Williams, which is a huge mistake. A good defensive coordinator, more likely a crappy head coach. This team mae a remarkable 4-game run, but it was largely running away from the turmoil of Sean's death. Portis even said that prior to that, he'd lost his passion for the game. You could sure see that in the Seattle game. When they got down at the end, CP comes up injured again, an all-too familiar sight. I think it's a schizo management structure that doesn't bode well for a steady climb to greatness. It's more suited for the fits and starts that this team has experienced since Gibbs 2.0. Unless they change the mindset at the top and the structure, it doesn't matter who gets the coaching job. Wilbon was exactly right, as much as I dislike that guy.

Posted by: Soups1 | January 10, 2008 8:25 AM | Report abuse

By the way, I don't believe anything any sports commentator says on this, including Boomer. Boomer's always looking for any way he can to get his name out there so he can be perceived as relevant. Not just him, but all sports commentators. If they make people think they have the inside scoop, it could lead to more than an 18-week gig on Sundays (which I would love, by the way). Everbody has an angle...

Posted by: Soups1 | January 10, 2008 8:30 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 10, 2008 8:30 AM | Report abuse

NEW RUMOR ALERT!!!

Gibbs left because Dan's penchant for scientologists...

More on the 7 oclock news

Posted by: Zebraskins | January 10, 2008 8:33 AM | Report abuse

My boss at work is trying to make a hiring decision today. Instead of making the decision herself, she has to get feedback from her boss (the owner), the owner's racquetball partner, her associate managers - Accounting, other company managers who won't even oversee this person, and even her own employees. That sounds like a pretty effective structure, right?

Posted by: RickyBobby | January 10, 2008 8:37 AM | Report abuse

Dan Synder owns a busniess. Everyone expects him to just completely remove himself from a situation, that would make NO sense.

CEO's of companies don't just hire someone and say, "Hey you run my business and i won't be involved at all."

Every owner is involved to the extent they need to be.(maybe some a little more so) I'm sure if Dan was able to dissasociate himself and get results he would surely do that. Unfortunatly the coaches change and he is the constant so he has to be involved or no one will.

Posted by: sams3 | January 10, 2008 8:39 AM | Report abuse

Maybee youse oll red dis alredy but I taut twas huumourus...

Redskintown: What do you really think the role of Joe Gibbs as an adviser to the Redskins/Dan Snyder will be?

Leonard Shapiro: Gibbs: Hey Dan, how's the family?

Snyder: Great Joe. I'm gonna' hire Cowher. Good choice, right?

Gibbs: Absolutely.

Posted by: cmecyclist | January 10, 2008 8:42 AM | Report abuse

sams,

I agree with you to a certain extent. CEO's certainly have the right to step in and do whatever they want, but don't most "successful" CEO's create a structure that makes sense, and furthermore, empower their managers to make decisions about the day-to-day operations?

I don't know how they ever made a decision in Gibbs 2.0 with all of the hands in the cookie jar. Again, compare it to a real business, because the decisions aren't any different.

Posted by: RickyBobby | January 10, 2008 8:46 AM | Report abuse

F Wilbon.

Posted by: jm220 | January 10, 2008 8:48 AM | Report abuse

Ricky,

I just think he takes alot of unnessesary heat.

No one makes more stupid personnel decisions than the eagles yet Jeff Lurie is never to blame.

Snyder has really never made a BAD choice for a coach. He does waht he thinks is best and he happens to own the team. Its all he can do.

Posted by: sams3 | January 10, 2008 8:52 AM | Report abuse

Soups1 how about rely on some facts and reason? No sports commentators can be trusted b/c they are looking for jobs, that level of cynisism is a disease my friend.

List of Boomer's jobs:

- replaced Imus (M-F 6am-10am) on WFAN

- CBS pre-game

- hosts local sports magazine show on MSG network

- Westwood One's color commentator for radio MNF broadcasts

The dude is hardly hard up for media gigs...

His bonafides for maybe have a clue on Cowher...he sits next to him and talks football both on and off the air every sunday and show prep times....


AND I AM NOT EVEN A BOOMER FAN!!!!!!

But c'mon bring something more to the table please than

"By the way, I don't believe anything any sports commentator says on this, including Boomer. Boomer's always looking for any way he can to get his name out there so he can be perceived as relevant. Not just him, but all sports commentators. If they make people think they have the inside scoop, it could lead to more than an 18-week gig on Sundays"


Posted by: chrislarry | January 10, 2008 8:53 AM | Report abuse

Zebra listening to EITM again, another name I keep hearing is Pete Carrol, great recruiter in college, ok coach. He would be stupid to leave USC for either us or the falcons.

Posted by: SAK2 | January 10, 2008 8:54 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: RickyBobby | January 10, 2008 8:59 AM | Report abuse

First off, no one would be stupid to leave anywhere they are to coach in DC. The fans are great, the owner spends anything you want, the talent is good.

Posted by: sams3 | January 10, 2008 9:00 AM | Report abuse

sams,

the owner also has a history of the quick hook for guys not named Joe Gibbs. I'll believe this "patience" thing when I see it.

Posted by: RickyBobby | January 10, 2008 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Adam Archuleta and Brandon Lloyd are all anyone wants to bring up.

Forget about Moss, Thomas, Griff, Washington, Portis, Springs, Smoot, Fletcher, Carter, Daniels aka everyone good on the team.

The Eagles bring in trash overpaid player after player that amount to nothing! and no one cares.

Posted by: sams3 | January 10, 2008 9:05 AM | Report abuse

This is good stuff of vids on Joe Gibbs:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d805d411f&template=with-video&confirm=true&campaign=ec0005


Dannyboi don't break John from Herndon's heart and not hire a GM.

Posted by: Skinz | January 10, 2008 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Part of me thinks that the best thing for the team is to make G. Williams the coach. It would do the most as far as continuity is concerned. He can coach the team, Gray can take over the defense, and Saunders takes/keeps the offense.

My biggest concern is hiring a new coach will mean a couple years of bringing in the new coach's guys, and implimenting the new coach's systems.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 10, 2008 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Sams3, you bring up a good point. The Eagles paid 66 million for Jevon Kearse, who has sucked, but that never gets talked about. If the Redskins did that, it would have gotten daily press from Pasquarelli.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 10, 2008 9:09 AM | Report abuse

sams,

I hate to disagree with you about the Eagles, but can you please look up the Skins record vs. the Eagles record since Snyder took over the team. Also take a look at playoff games, playoff wins, home playoff games, super bowl appearances, etc. we've had 1 home playoff game in 17 years.

gregmarino,

I agree with you. If Snyder isn't going to ever change, I agree that Williams is the best choice for the team and the fans.

However, if Snyder were ever willing to change and hire a GM, I would gladly take 2 years of losing to see them finally change the way they do things.

Posted by: RickyBobby | January 10, 2008 9:12 AM | Report abuse

don't forget Darren "we moved you from an end to a sometimes 3rd down tackle" howard. Imagine how much that man regrets going there.

Posted by: sams3 | January 10, 2008 9:12 AM | Report abuse

RickyBobby, record doesn't indacate everything about choices. If you think for a second the eagles have better free agent pick ups of draft success than the skins do you got to be kidding me. Look up the past 5 drafts.

Posted by: sams3 | January 10, 2008 9:14 AM | Report abuse

in teh past 4 years the eagles and redskins have been to the playoffs the same amoutn of time. the eagles have a good coach and so did the skins. you can only compare gibbs 2 era not synder overall

Posted by: sams3 | January 10, 2008 9:15 AM | Report abuse

The Eagles have won 5 NFC East titles since the Redskins last did. They must be doing something right.

Posted by: curtmcgurt | January 10, 2008 9:15 AM | Report abuse

another great iggles free agent : monty reagor

Posted by: sams3 | January 10, 2008 9:16 AM | Report abuse

sams3, here are a few more for you.
Deion Sanders, Mark Carrier, Bruce Smith, Jeff George, Trung Canidate, and Mike Barrow.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 10, 2008 9:22 AM | Report abuse

"Dan Synder owns a busniess. Everyone expects him to just completely remove himself from a situation, that would make NO sense.

CEO's of companies don't just hire someone and say, "Hey you run my business and i won't be involved at all."

Every owner is involved to the extent they need to be.(maybe some a little more so) I'm sure if Dan was able to dissasociate himself and get results he would surely do that. Unfortunatly the coaches change and he is the constant so he has to be involved or no one will.

Posted by: sams3"

Sams3,

I hear ya; but I don't think anyone's advocating that he not be involved. He has to be involved to a certain extent as the owner, but he shouldn't be involving himself to the extent where he influences personell decisions, FA's, draft choices, even coaches... He should run the business as the owner, but he needs a guy to run the football operations and make the decisions on coaches, players, FA's, draft picks and their appropriate salaries...

I won't go back to his earliest days but to name a few of their most recent mistakes: Archuleta, TJ Duckett, Brandon Lloyd, etc... All reasons for him to hire someone that knows what the F their doing and won't blow Draft picks, and the salary cap on a couple of new FA's...

Simply put... He's a young bright gazillionaire that needs to check his EGO at now come to grips with the fact that history proves he and or Vinny don't know how to run Football Operations the way they need to be run if the goal is to win and achieve long term success...

Posted by: EinVB | January 10, 2008 9:23 AM | Report abuse

sams, I don't know. we made 3 of the worst personnel moves in the history of the NFL in one off-season.

Lloyd - 0 TD's
Arch - punt protector
Duckett - 15 carries for 2 picks?

I'm not aruging that the Eagles haven't made some horrible moves, but I'd much rather be with their cap number heading into the off-season. I'd also much rather have been to NFC championship game 4 times(3 of them at home) since Danny took over the team.

Posted by: RickyBobby | January 10, 2008 9:24 AM | Report abuse

The Eagles have Westbrook....which explains much of their success.

Posted by: Lisa | January 10, 2008 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Is that etrod, or Len Pasquarelli??

Why bring up something from 7 years ago?

While we're at it, lets debate whether the Redskins should have re-signed Antonio Pierce too, thats always fun revisionist history....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 10, 2008 9:25 AM | Report abuse

...TJ Ducket, David Patten, Chad Morton...

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 10, 2008 9:25 AM | Report abuse

I hate the eagles but you can't bash there front office. Look how many players they have developed, drafted etc...

Barking up he wrong tree by bashing Eagles front office....

Posted by: chrislarry | January 10, 2008 9:26 AM | Report abuse

I'm just pointing out that Arch and LLoyd, Brandon are not the only free agents/trade fiasco's perpetrated by this regime as Sams was insinuating.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 10, 2008 9:27 AM | Report abuse

2000: Corey Simon (no longer plays)
2001: Freddie Mitchell ( doesn't play anymore)
2002: Lito Sheppard (looked great this year)
2003: Jerome McDougle (doesn't play anymore as far as i know)
2004: Andrews (The only decent one but still overrated)
2005: Mike Patterson (Trash)
2006: Brodrick Bunkley (Mediocre player)

Posted by: sams3 | January 10, 2008 9:28 AM | Report abuse

good morning fellow bloggers do we have A coach yet!?

Posted by: trailblazer658 | January 10, 2008 9:30 AM | Report abuse

chrislarry, who is worth a dam on the team beside westbrook that they have developed?

Posted by: sams3 | January 10, 2008 9:30 AM | Report abuse

3 of the last 7 first rounders don't play football anymore!

Posted by: sams3 | January 10, 2008 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Is this Eagles insider?

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 10, 2008 9:31 AM | Report abuse

They also developed the yougn stud Todd Hairymans

Posted by: sams3 | January 10, 2008 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Are Saunders and Collins gone???

Posted by: trailblazer658 | January 10, 2008 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Channeling my man Old School... every team has hits and misses as far as personnel... the key is getting it right more often than you get it wrong... get rid of guys when you should, even when it hurts, and replace them with someone better.. and you have to get it right at the most important positions, head coach and QB... get those two positions straight and be consistently "more right than wrong" everywhere else on the roster and you're in good shape...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 10, 2008 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Well put Nate School.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 10, 2008 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Projected as our first pick in 08' and I gotta say I would be pleased...thoughts?

Calais Campbell #81
Campbell, Calais

Defensive End

Height: 6-foot-8
Weight: 280 pounds
Class Year: Jr
Experience: 2V
Hometown: Denver, CO
High School: South

Posted by: trailblazer658 | January 10, 2008 9:38 AM | Report abuse

i hate to be in a position to defend the eagles so I will stop, although I do disagree with your line of arguement Sams3.

Also Beantown Greg, its perfectly legit to look at Snyder front office in long view if your making an analysis of the system he has had in place since buying the team.

But for balance sake I will give you one player he hand picked that was the bomb:

Larry Centers

But Snyder is disastrous, any counter arguement is silly. I hope Gibbs schooled him, but I doubt it,

Posted by: chrislarry | January 10, 2008 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Wait a minute... it looks like with our wild card loss we now have the 21st pick in the 08' draft.... hmmm lets see what new projections are...

Posted by: trailblazer658 | January 10, 2008 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Just hire a GM. I hate to admit it but I agree with that blow hard Wilbon.

Posted by: Skinz | January 10, 2008 9:41 AM | Report abuse

sams3, have the eagles been a solid, to good, to elite team now for almost a decade or not? They must be doing something right...

but who cares F the Eagles.

Posted by: chrislarry | January 10, 2008 9:41 AM | Report abuse

We need a GM!!!

Posted by: trailblazer658 | January 10, 2008 9:42 AM | Report abuse

In my book the Eagles are limited by Andy Reid's ego and unwillingness to evolve within his system. They have a good system, obviously shown by their division titles since Reid took over, but most of that I beleive can be attributed to Mcnabb running the offense (when healthy). They make good moves as far as cap figures and pickups go for the defense - credit Jim Johnson, but Reid doesn't seem to want to admit that he does need that stud receiver and bruising running back. He tried it with TO and they got to the SB, but won't go back to another try. While shrewd with the cap, I think Reid is like Billick in that he feels that he is an offensive genius, and this is gonna hold them back. Plus the fans bring about the Karma that has Philly under a curse. No offense Aargh.

Posted by: dlhaze | January 10, 2008 9:42 AM | Report abuse

eagles have continuity in FO, a good coach and a very good qb therefore they have been consistent winners.....FO stability is the only thing we have meanwhile we have blow up coaches and have not found the QB to lead the team on the field....thats why now it should be williams because we have developed a style of play with some (especialy on defense) success, we may have found our QB who has 3 years invested in this system....continuity no garuntee....but it is our best bet for now....

Posted by: Oldschool | January 10, 2008 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Sam and I like to talk Eagles since we are up here and have to live with it.

Posted by: dlhaze | January 10, 2008 9:44 AM | Report abuse

as per usual oLD sCHOOL slams the door on a debate with a reasoned, brief and accurate post. Thanks!

Lets move on.

Posted by: chrislarry | January 10, 2008 9:46 AM | Report abuse

I want to see how Campbell does at either the combine, or his pro-day before I give him my vote. He needs to run in the 4.7's or better, anything slower and tackles will just eat him up at the pro-level.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 10, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

What's the difference between the Super Bowl and the Grammies?

At least the Eagles have won a Grammie.

Posted by: m2tayls | January 10, 2008 9:52 AM | Report abuse

dlhaze,

Isn't it the most annoying crap to have to deal with?

Tell me you don't love the fact that everyone gives them such praise but they have never been able to win it. I loved it when they got so close that they could taste it. Then the Pats slapped the taste right out.

Posted by: sams3 | January 10, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse

#4 Limas Sweed | WR Roster:
Full Name: Limas Sweed
Born: December 25, 1984
Hometown: Navasota, TX
Height: 6-5
Weight: 219 lbs.

was having record breaking college career until he injured his wrist we could get him in the second round!!

Posted by: trailblazer658 | January 10, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse

i think the cone drill is more important for a lineman.

Posted by: sams3 | January 10, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

It is pretty sweet when you hear the wind go out of the town. Every year, every sport. Would be nice if we could win one again though.

Posted by: dlhaze | January 10, 2008 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Nate you have it....Coach and QB....most of the rest are just guys....need to have a roster filled good players who are constanly being replaced with other good players ...must elimnate the number poor players/bad charactors on your squad....coach sets the tone and team pulls in one unified direction...thats how you become good....find it and repeat it ....parcells has used this formula over and over....simply put he tried everywhere he has gone to recreate the 86 giants ....good news for you redcoat

Posted by: Oldschool | January 10, 2008 9:56 AM | Report abuse

What is the difference between the eagles and a real franchise?

(insert anything good about a franchise)

Posted by: sams3 | January 10, 2008 9:57 AM | Report abuse

I think we need to know who our coach is before we can even think about the draft.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 10, 2008 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Great eagles joke! And I feel your pain Sams3...if I lived where you do I would be insane.

Here in NYC there is so many teams it negates the Giants annonyingness somewhat.

Posted by: chrislarry | January 10, 2008 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Time to break out the old
I LIKE BILLY!
I LIKE NotSONNY but GREGG!

bumper stickers. At least the Billy fans don't have to crosss his name out.

Posted by: dlhaze | January 10, 2008 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Old School, I felt a lot better about your formula (with which I wholeheartedly agree) when I believed Coach Joe was going to stay at least one more year and insist on continuity (and oversee the transition himself) thereafter. Now I am doing my best to have faith in Snyder, which is of course difficult.

Thank goodness I have all this "work" to distract me.


Again, anybody think we're going to get any "real news" from the Park today on the coaching search? Has there been any public acknowledgment by the team or a candidate that any official interviews have been conducted?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 10, 2008 10:01 AM | Report abuse

And even coach is survivable if the QB is good enough. McNabb has been the reason for Philly's success -- they've not done a great job of surrounding him with talent (particularly at WR), and have spent more on D as a result.
Farve is the poster boy for QB-makes-a-decent-coach-take-team-to-playoffs model. He did it with Mike Sherman, for chissakes!

Posted by: daggar | January 10, 2008 10:02 AM | Report abuse

dlhaze

I was in Philly for a freinds birthday party the night before teh superbowl. poeple were in the streets screaming about how they were gonna win blah blah. they actually closed down an intersection i was in coming from a bar becaue there were so many people they couldn't get cars through. They were hanging from light posts and everything.

You would think it would be awful bt it wasn't. I knew they would lose but they genuinely thought they woudl win... It was the greatest trip ever i rode their flase promised and dreams all the way home. Then later the next day the Pats rode their hot air stright to the bank.

There has been alot of Pats hate on this blog and i can't ever join in because of that day. That day will make me forever a Pats fan.

Posted by: sams3 | January 10, 2008 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Bearing in mind that this is, what, day two of the head coach search?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 10, 2008 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Ricky I think we have become boys today.

Posted by: sams3 | January 10, 2008 10:04 AM | Report abuse

So -- do you think Snyder out-and-out offered Chin the job? Or do you think that it might have been the "would throwing $10M at you pique your interest?" type of question?

Posted by: daggar | January 10, 2008 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Eagles fans have grown tired of mcnabb/reid because they haven't won it all....eventually you need to validate your success by winning a bowl.... the formula to go from good to great....take your roster of 50 or so good players and your sound coaching and add a few over the top unguardable /unblockable game changing players ( make sure one those is your elite QB)....get that and you are a superbowl contender every year that you keep that combination together.....

Posted by: Oldschool | January 10, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

This stuff about the Redskins not having a GM is silly. In everything but title, Vinny Cerrato is the GM. He does exactly what other GM's around the league do. True, he doesn't pick the head coach, but there are very, very few teams in the NFL, with or without a GM, where the owner doesn't have the final say in picking the head coach. You think Ozzie in Baltimore can pick whoever he wants as coach without consulting the owner? There are also very few, with or without a GM, where the head coach doesn't have a lot of say in draft picks and free agents. You think Belichick didn't have to agree to signing Randy Moss before it could happen?

Those of you who keep crying for a GM, would you be happier if Danny gave Vinny the GM title just to shut you up? If not, then you are not complaining about the lack of a GM, you are complaining about the particular GM that Danny has in place. And if that's what you're complaining about, since Danny is clearly comfortable with Vinny in that position, I suggest you get used to it.

Posted by: Burgundy | January 10, 2008 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, as the eagles have shown, have a good coach and 2 good players and you will always be sort of in it. Fill the rest of the roster with Chris Gocong so that your owner can save money (i'm sure Lurie swims in his vault as cheap as that ahole is) and you have the formula to mistreat your fans.

Everyone here thinks Snyder is an ahole, well he isn't. He spends everything he has, he would sell his last shirt if it got them the money they needed to win. Lurie handcuffs the staff with limited funds and gives the fans false hopes of beinga real contender. They do just enough so people keep buying the tickets but they won't spend enough to win.

So everyone that trashes Snyder think about that for a moment.

Posted by: sams3 | January 10, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Definitely love the Pats for beating the Eags in the SB, I will root for the Pats if they make it to the Superbowl only if they play Dallas or NY. I won't argue that it would be neat to see another team go undefeated and win it all, but I just think Belicheck is a d1ck. Will NEVER root for the other teams in our division to win it all though.

Posted by: dlhaze | January 10, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

#82 James Hardy | WR Roster:
Full Name: James Hardy
Born: December 24, 1985
Hometown: Fort Wayne, IN
Height: 6-7
Weight: 220 lbs.

Age: 22
Pos: WR
Class: Junior
REC 79 | YDS 1,125 | TD 16

another junior weighing his options for the draft...had an outstanding year

Posted by: trailblazer658 | January 10, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Sam3, agreed, I need to see all his measureables, 40 time, cone drill, bench, how well he stacks up against Vernon Gholston from Ohio State, etc.

If Sweed falls to us in the 2nd round, then lady luck is indeed smiling down on us.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 10, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Burgundy,

Vinnie is not even close to a GM. He's more like the director of scouting, a postition that would report to the GM on most teams, but he reports straight to the owner.

And jazz flute is for sissy boys.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 10, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: puttinforbird | January 10, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Is Reid definitely staying?

Posted by: daggar | January 10, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

At this point I would rather the the Giants win the SB over the Hawks. I really really hate them and Dallas right now.

Please someone tell me how 3 of the 4 starters in the dallas defensive backfield made the probowl? I hate fan voting so much.

It's funny because Dallas is litterally T.O away from being a 5-11 team.

Posted by: sams3 | January 10, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

I will repeat, until it becomes RI mantra:

Dallas is America's Team as McDonalds is America's Restaurant.

Posted by: daggar | January 10, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Is Reid definitely staying?

Reid and McNabb are staying. Lurie is a thief not stupid.

Posted by: sams3 | January 10, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

daggar I vote yes on that montra.

Now that i have greased the wheels a little I need you to vote yes on Flapjacks.

Posted by: sams3 | January 10, 2008 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Remember that fan voting is 1/3, coaches 1/3 and players 1/3.

But either way, the probowl is the most likable entertaining players to show off on TV.

The all pro team is a nod and a feather in the cap to those who are truly the best in the sport.

Posted by: Zebraskins | January 10, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Reid hasn't quit or been fired.....yet.

I think someone yesterday was talking draft and mentioned Joe Flacco from U of D (my alma mater). Definite stud with high value. Probably a 2nd or 3rd round pick, and will be very good. Tall, hard to sack, has a cannon, and ran a pretty good offense, 90% no-huddle. Had squat for receivers, but still is getting mentioned as a 1st day pick. Watch for his "value" to rise as the draft approaches. Pretty similar to J Campbell now that I think about it. I think we are pretty good at QB right now, so let s get a pass rusher and o-lineman. And a coach (Williams)!

Posted by: dlhaze | January 10, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

I vote yes to Flapjacks in '08!

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 10, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Hey Jasno:

I just watched your report on "Latest Video". Dude are you taking your fashion tips from Bill Belicek? I mean, could you look more like a homeless person in that video?

Posted by: RambleOn | January 10, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

That's right etrod!

Posted by: sams3 | January 10, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Joe Flacco in 08' he is a beast!!!

Posted by: trailblazer658 | January 10, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

trailblazer,

Correct me if i'm wrong, but we don't have a 2nd round pick do we? Sweed won't be there in the 2nd round, to good of speed, and has great height! Kiper has him at 21st on his big board and I think he might even be moving up! Great pick if the Skins can get him!

Posted by: redryan400 | January 10, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

If I am not mistaken we do have 2nd round pick but not a 3rd.

Posted by: jm220 | January 10, 2008 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Thanks jm220, I wasn't sure which round it was! Any other picks we have given up?

Posted by: redryan400 | January 10, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

We have everything except our 4th round pick in the 4/2008 draft. That pick is the last part of the TJ Duckett deal.
We have everything except our 4th round pick in the 4/2009 draft. That pick was traded to NYJ for Pete Kendall, given that Kendall played in over [IIRC] 80% of our snaps this year.
So we will have flapjacks instead of 4th round picks...

Posted by: daggar | January 10, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

I think we have both 2nd and 3rd. We gave up a 4th for Pete Kendall.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 10, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

We have all of our first 3 picks this year. After that, I'm not so sure, but I am 100 % that we have our 1, 2, and 3.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 10, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

We have our 1,2,3 and hopfully a coach with a full D cup.

Posted by: sams3 | January 10, 2008 10:49 AM | Report abuse

"With their fourth-round pick in the 2008 NFL draft, the Washington Redskins select... T.J. Duckett, running back."

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 10, 2008 10:49 AM | Report abuse

I can't remember the last time we had our first 3 picks. Let's hope we get some real talent with those picks. We should go after D lineman with the first and O lineman with the 2nd and 3rd. I know we need a big WR but I think Mix will do well next year.

Posted by: jm220 | January 10, 2008 10:49 AM | Report abuse

As stated by Daggar we are only missing our 4th rounder... I know shocking!!!

Posted by: trailblazer658 | January 10, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone have knowledge of Jon Gruden coming to Washington? Drop this knowledge if you do. I sense his presence.

Posted by: rbaghdad | January 9, 2008 10:54 PM

Is that like sensing a disturbance in the Force? You sound like Vader when you say that. :P

More coaching thoughts...

If Snyder wants to go outside of the current coaching staff for his next head coach, he needs to stop looking for a marquee name. Back when JKC hired Gibbs in the first go-round, Gibbs was the OC for the Chargers, and before that, the Bucs. He was not a marquee name with "proven head coaching experience" - he had been an assistant coach for 17 years! Snyder also needs to let go of resurrecting the glory years by trying to find the next Gibbs. What Snyder needs to do is take a good, long look at his team, consult with the current coaching staff on strengths/weaknesses/team direction, and hire a coach that will take the team to the next level. Someone relatively young (late 30s/early 40s), but with several years of pro coaching experience (not necessarily HEAD coaching - just coaching experience with professional players and all the baggage that pro players bring with them). I'll go back to Tomlin - in spite of the Steelers' one-and-done playoff appearance this year, it's pretty darn impressive that Tomlin, as a young (35) first-year coach, led his team to the playoffs. Yes, he made some gaffes in the playoff game, but the Jags are a very good team this year, and it did come down to the wire with that field goal. Overall, the Steelers organization should feel good about Tomlin as their head coach, and I think he can take them all the way very soon.

As an aside, and a nod to my previous and rather controversial post on the subject, I understand that Tomlin was a Rooney Rule candidate. What really impresses me about the Steelers organization was that they took Tomlin seriously, recognized his talent, and selected him for the job over the internal candidates. I can hear the screams now - "You're contradicting yourself!" - but remember this: The Steelers organization, at the time that Cowher left, was not a team still healing from a devestating personal loss, and trying to keep it all together. The Redskins are in a fragile state right now, and continuity is really the #1 objective, in my opinion. Give Grilliams a year to lead this team, get them over this rough patch, and after that year, if he's not what Snyder wants in a coach, then by all means go out and find someone else. But not for 2008 - this team still has a lot of healing to do.

Posted by: jaradel | January 10, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

If Sweed is there we have to take him...

Posted by: trailblazer658 | January 10, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

JM, yeah, neither can I, its been a while. I hope we can draft some young cheap guys who contibute right away.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 10, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

What happens when Highway meets the Sweed?

Posted by: dlhaze | January 10, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

If Sweed is there we have to take him...

Posted by: trailblazer658 | January 10, 2008 10:52 AM

Truth.

Posted by: trink | January 10, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

The only thing that makes me feel good about the Dan looking for a new coach is that Cocah Joe has his ear and is part of the process. My thoughts are he is going to go with double G. If not don't be shocked if big Grim is the next coach.

Posted by: jm220 | January 10, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

jaradel

I will have to disagree with you On the Tomlin thing.... He is nothing more at this point but a coach that is riding a wave of a team the CHIN BULIT...Until he has to rebulid and make some serious personel moves like getting a QB etc etc I would then agree...But not yet...There have been many coattail Coaches in this league...The Switz in Dallas...Seifer in SF and so on...You can't judge Tomlin yet as a success..in fact since this team was just in the SB not that long ago and went I'd say one and out with the same team is a step backwards.

Here are the Skins choices...do you listen to your HEART and make Williams the coach..is that a long term fix or a short term fix...Can he rebulid a team when it's needed? Somebody like BC Can...he has rebulit teams a few times...he has been to three SBs in that span...I'm not saying they should hire the Chin...But going with him could mean stability if not right off but in the long term over a 10 year period....So the choice that is made will decide what happens to this team for a decade...who knows maybe Wuilliams will be like that guy in NE and get who was fired by the Browns and then took NE to greatness...Willaims had the same deal in Buffalo...but its anyone guessing game at this point! Nobody knows!

Posted by: leevi98 | January 10, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Had to drop in quickly before heading back up to the mountain...

"Strawberry Shortcake" became Kelli Johnson's nickname because at some point last year she did a postgame interview wearing the most unusual pink leather jacket. Kinda stuck.

Do we have a coach yet?

Posted by: PDiddy | January 10, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

There have been many coattail Coaches in this league

Can you say Gruden

Posted by: jm220 | January 10, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Belichick rode Parcells for years.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 10, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

What do we want?

Posted by: farstriker | January 10, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

A GM!

Posted by: farstriker | January 10, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

When do we want it?

Posted by: farstriker | January 10, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

NOW!

Posted by: farstriker | January 10, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

I vote for more t'aint talk!

Posted by: 4-12 | January 10, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

What are we hung up on for no reason? A GM!

Why are we so hung up? NO ONE KNOWS!

Posted by: sams3 | January 10, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Slow day up here.

Posted by: jm220 | January 10, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Brutal Slow.

Posted by: sams3 | January 10, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

OK, I need to back up in the conversation a little bit. Why wasn't Russ Grimm included in the odds for coach? Or was he "The Field"?

I have a hard time keeping up with the blog these days. I am suffering from a bought of Bells Palsy and can't really look at a screen too long without twitching. So bear with me here.

Posted by: LarryBud | January 10, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Larry B where have you been my friend?

Posted by: jm220 | January 10, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Sorry to hear that bud, I think he wasn't included because there is no way it will be him. It would be like including me in the running.

Posted by: sams3 | January 10, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Russ Grimm change his last name to Field.

Posted by: puttinforbird | January 10, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

I wonder if Gregg Williams has even been given the courtesy of a job interview yet?

If Cowher has already been offered a job that just blows my mind (or what is left of it).

Posted by: driley | January 10, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

D I really don't think he was. Until Dan or the chin say it I don't believe it. I would like to hope the Dan is smart enough to know the Rooney rule.

Posted by: jm220 | January 10, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

driley, I'm pretty sure that Cowher hasn't been offered the job. I'm also pretty sure that when Esaiason said that Synder offered Cowher 10 mill that Boom-boom was talking out his bum-bum.

Lets just maintain a status quo, until there is something of SUBSTANCE to go on.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 10, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Jasno...We're jonesing our guts out for some info up here. Give us something, anything!

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 10, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

The Rooney rule does not keep Snyder from talking to the chin as long as at some point he interviews a minority coach

Posted by: trailblazer658 | January 10, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

What about the bears DC from a year ago, riviera i believe. He was up for a couple HC jobs

Posted by: SAK2 | January 10, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Bill Cowher's already had a career. Much like Parcells and Gibbs, Cowher would come back for the "fun" of it, trying to see if he could recreate the magic. He's already proven, and he's already retired once, which adds up to the fact that he's not hungry for it anymore. He, like Gibbs and Parcells were, would be a great hire for a team that's in shambles, like the way the skins were and the cowboys were before those two respectively came on. I could see Cowher here for a couple years, experiment with the team and see if it works out, then leave.

We need someone fresh, someone hungry for credentials, someone who will be the identity of the redskins for the next 5-10 years. GG is the logical choice.

Posted by: psps23 | January 10, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Do we all agree that if an outside coach is hired then that means we are in for a rebuilding period? After all, a new coach means new coordinators and learning a new system for offence and defence, so there is no value in keeping veterans here since the learning curve will be the same for all. In other words if you are expecting one to two years of turmoil then you plan on having YOUR guys here in place for the third year on.

Posted by: driley | January 10, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Thinking about it, I'm not sure that bringing in Cowher might be more harm than good.
Cowher runs a 3-4, so right out of the gate, we don't have the personell to run that type of scheme, so they'd have to totally revamp the defense, with 3-4 guys.

I also think he runs more of a power run blocking scheme, versus a zone blocking scheme, so we'd need a whole bunch more offensive linemen.....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 10, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

theres always the 1st year wonder head coaches (sean payton, wade phillips, eric mangini, etc.) not necessarily rebuilding with a new coach

Posted by: psps23 | January 10, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Great points Greg. 3-4 as someone stated yesterday mean Carter goes back to LB. Which he didn't do well at in SF.

Posted by: jm220 | January 10, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

I think Wade Phillips came into a team that was actually ready for the playoffs.

Sean Payton I tip my hat to because he changed the whole culture in one year. But he was not as good this year.

Posted by: driley | January 10, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

The 3-4 in the NFC is like soccer in America.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 10, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

did cowher always run a 3-4? i thought that was more dick lebeau's system when he was hired to take over the defense.

Posted by: psps23 | January 10, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Here are the Skins choices...do you listen to your HEART and make Williams the coach..is that a long term fix or a short term fix...

Posted by: leevi98 | January 10, 2008 11:04 AM

I know you wrote more, and I will address that, but didn't feel it was necessary to requote the whole thing.

Is it a short term fix to hire Williams? Possibly. But consider this: Snyder has tried, several times, to hire a coach for the "long haul", from outside the current staff, and we're still nowhere near a Super Bowl. And what happened to those coaches who were supposed to come in and fix everything?

    Schottenheimer - fired after 1 year
    Spurrier - complete bust; resigned after 2 years
    Gibbs 2.0 - never really gelled completely the second time around in spite of 2 playoff appearances, burned out and resigned after 4 years with 1 year left on his contract.

Of the three, Gibbs came the closest to fixing this organization. Problem is, he let the job and the game consume him the way it did the first go-round, except that he's not as young as he used to be, and it was too much. I don't blame him for resigning. If I were him, after this year, I might have done the same. But even if Gibbs had finished out his contract, the whole idea was that he would get this team ready to pass on to the heir apparent (GW, at the time). He never intended to coach indefinitely. So that was not a long-term fix either. But the idea was to pass a "better" team onto the heir, which was the long-term solution. So why not see that plan to its fruition? Let GW take a crack at it. The players like and respect him, and I'm sure at least the defensive staff will mostly stick around, even if there is some upheaval on the offensive side. Take a chance on someone you at least know, instead of taking a shot in the dark that an unknown commodity will fix this team.

Re: Cowher - I don't think he's a long term solution either. He's got family commitments, he's already retired once, and just because he won with the Steelers doesn't mean he can win with the Skins. This organization has a particular personality, that not all coaches can deal with. Heck, in 7 seasons Norv got us to the playoffs once - in 1999 - and then he was whacked in 2000. In his FIRST SEASON with SD, he not only gets IN the playoffs, he does what Martyball couldn't do - he gets them to WIN. Yes, he inherited the team and it was in pretty good shape. But plenty of new coaches have inherited mostly intact and decent teams and run them into the ground. As for Tomlin, he didn't inherit a Super Bowl winner. He inherited a team that, the season AFTER winning it all, went 8-8, missed the playoffs, and lost several starters to free agency/retirement. He came on board and they went 10-6, won their (admittedly rather soft) division, and went to the playoffs. Maybe it's not a big splash, but it's still not bad for a first-time head coach in his first year on the job. Give him time. In that same vein, give GW time to see if he can keep the ship going in the right direction, before you bring in yet another outsider to try and "fix" things.

I know this may sound like I'm attacking you - I'm really not. I appreciate the fact that you took the time to craft a well-thought-out response to my post, and I enjoy the discourse.

Posted by: jaradel | January 10, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

If Joe Gibbs has anything to do with the selection of a head coach, it will be a coach with some head coaching experience. Joe does not like rookie anything; unless it is Russ Grimm because he is some what of a known entity. Joe always goes with experience/veterans over rookies. This is how he is built. So expect either Williams or another re-tread coach if Gibbs has any thing to do with the decision.

Posted by: ynotcaruso | January 10, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, 3-4 defensive ends are usually in the 290-300 pound range, so Carter would then be forced back to LB something he didn't do well. It also forces someone from our current lb crew to play middle with LBF, which I'm not sure that guy is on the roster.

As much as I'm hesitant, Williams might be the best thing for this team right now.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 10, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Jaradel, I'm with you on your whole post except for using Norv as an answer. He's the posterboy for the coattail coach. Within 3 years he'll have that team underacheiving with the best of them.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 10, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

JASNO LAYING THE WOOD

Reston, Va: I guess the Washington Post doesn't have a dress code for when their reporters appear on camera, because jeans and a sweatshirt certainly aren't appropriate attire for a professional such as yourself. Do you not care one iota about your image?

Jason La Canfora: I care about doing the best job possible for The Washington Post, my employer.

Since your a fashion critic and undoubtedly a real suave dude, I was working all morning and running my daughter to preschool, and planned to run a few errands and do some work from home before cleaning up and going to Redskins Park.

I got a call about Joe at here preschool. So I immediately started driving to Redskins Park and dictating a story for the website and reporting and threw myself into the story.

If Comcast wants to put me on TV, that's on them. I guess they thought it wasn't so offense, seeing as athletes and people of all sorts are on their air in similar attire all the time.

I'm worried about busting my butt for my newspaper. I'm a reporter not glamour queen.

Next time I'll make sure I run home and comb my hair and try to look as pretty as I can for you.

Maybe you could start a fund for me to get a shower and dressing room installed in my Jetta.

Posted by: Zebraskins | January 10, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Let's interview someone already!

C'mon!

Gosh!

Posted by: freakzilla | January 10, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

I wonder how Snyder himself views the Redskin team. Does he see it as one that is close to being a good team now and just needs a year of good health for everyone? Does he see it as a team that is not built to go deep into the playoffs or even win its own division? He has to take two steps back and really try to an impersonal analysis now. As much as I would want Gregg Williams to be the coach I have doubts that this team is capable of winning its own division with its present roster (even giving a 25% turnover). At least Williams proved this past offseason that he would jettison the players that were not improving even if they were good "team" players,(i.e. Salavea and Wynn)

Posted by: driley | January 10, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

GW already runs a form of the 3-4 defense. Ever notice when we only rush 3 guys and 1 lineman drops back in coverage. Its only in pass situations but its a morphed version of it and is actually more effective against the pass.

Posted by: dave197391 | January 10, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Get'em JASNO!!!!!

Posted by: redryan400 | January 10, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Really how close are we????

I know we made it into the playoffs, PLAYOFFS! but we barely made it in... Lets not forget either that was not under the helm of our franchise QB. The outcome of those 4 games could have been entirely different with Soup in at QB. Not to take anything away from those 4 games it was magical but how close are we if we have to fight tooth and nail to eek into the playoffs. Also consider this we all think Gibbs restored a certain identity for our team again but nobody had us even making it into the playoffs before TODD turned it up a notch...

Are we close to being able to get into the playoffs regularly... thats great and all but I want to win a Superbowl...

Posted by: trailblazer658 | January 10, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

TB I look at the games that we lost. We were right there in each and every one of them except one. If the play calling in the second half of those games were the same as the last 4 games we would have won if you ask me. So I think we are closer and don't need to blow the team up.

Posted by: jm220 | January 10, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Just say no to sports poodles.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 10, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

I think that we are actually a .500 team that won one extra last minute decision this season. Perhaps that is real truth of our status.

Posted by: driley | January 10, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

If you realize that the division leading team won 4 more games than we did then you start to appreciate the gap that we need to fill.

Posted by: driley | January 10, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

driley, while you can't argue with that fact, injuries played a HUGE role from first quarter of the first game that the Redskins played this year.

They're not that far off.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 10, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

jaradel,

I think you misread my post...I was not saying either way was the right way...I was stating the choices that Skins have.

I do disagree however about the Chin not being a long term answer in the certain ways you mentioned. Sure the Chin is a chance and will change things...guess what SO WILL WILLIAMS and he is also a chance. If ya think for a second Williams will take the head spot and not change things in his imagine your dreaming. ANY person who takes a HC job will make changes...How do you know Greg likes everything that was going on in certain areas? Maybe he does not like Als offense....And do you really think that Bugel and certain others will stay and coach under Greg? Either way...Your going to have lots of changes...that can't be avaoided...So in my opinion ...for anyone to think "things will stay exactly the way they are" minus Gibbs is really reaching..either way there will be changes. I dont want ANY coach that will not make the team in his imagine...That IS being setup for failure.. So if Greg gets the job ..great...but I also see the chin as a guy who is a PROVEN HC with rebuilding credentials and I see Greg as a coach with a big if and credentials of a great d Cord. with no success as a HC...His biggest victory as a HC was beating Steve Spurrier his last season when the Bills just Sucked...So yes it's anybody's guess...But if stability is what your looking for...The chin could be that guy...either way Willaims or The chin...There will be coaching and player turnover.

As far as Norv being an example...hmmm well Marty had tougher teams to play than the Tenn in their first playoff games because they had a higher seed. Norv is calling plays for the team that Marty built not Norv. It took 7 years or so to even get into the post season ONCE with Washington...Sorry but Norv is not a good example.

Posted by: leevi98 | January 10, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Injuries were indeed a large factor this season. Every team has to factor in some percentage of injuries during the course of a season. If we assume that we had 50% less injuries do we still have a team that will win the division?

Posted by: driley | January 10, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

I have to agree with Wilbon on the situation, except I think that a tiger (Dan) can change his strips.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 10, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

jaradel,

One other note...The Chin and every other coach in the league has family commitments...even I have that...just about every man does...but he has taken time off...his youngest in about togo to college...he will be good for another 7 years....also did Willaims ever make the playoffs as a HC? I think Bill did just few times in a decade with the same franchise...Thats stability.....Bottom line like I said...Turnover in happening no matter WHO takes the job...

Posted by: leevi98 | January 10, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

or stripes

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 10, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

driley,


I don;t know...can't really say what would have happened...."shoulda, coulda woulda" and EVERYONE is SB Champs...If they would have built through the draft they may had more depth...But who can say...You are what you are...ya know?

Posted by: leevi98 | January 10, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

My point is simply how do we view where this team needs to go to be better. In order to do that you have to be clear without an elotional bias at where we stand now. I am trying to get inside the mind of Dan Snyder as he picks a coach. The kind of coach that he picks will tell you what he really thinks and that will carry more weight than any of the words that he has uttered in the last 48 hours concerning Gibbs and the team.

Posted by: driley | January 10, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: roweq | January 10, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

After 2007, we're nobodies patsy (okay, so maybe we're still the Patriot's patsy), but we've got a team that believes in itself.

We have every reason to believe that that positive energy will carry over into 2008, despite the coaching change. Why? Because on a Gibbs team its the players that win or lose those games, they're the ones that everyone else is there to lift up. It's all about respecting the players and doing what's best for the team.

At the end of the day, we have a team with pride and integrity (win or lose).

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 10, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Football is very complex, yet very simple....I think it keeps getting toughter to run a winning organization....once you fall behind it is very difficult to catch up ...all coaching and player decisions are magnified by those teams trying to catch the ones who have by a combination of luck and skill found the right combination leaders (Coach/QB) to create the stability to keep the whole thing running at a high level....finding one is hard enough but need i remind everyone have been searching for both at the same time for most of the last 15 years...that whats makes gibbs leaving hard because his leadership we could count on and Campbell we still hope for......

Posted by: Oldschool | January 10, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

I had a post and the blog ate it. Ugh.

Leevi, I know there will be changes. I know that there are 3 or 4 coaches on the offensive side who will most likely leave or retire no matter who takes over the team. I know that things won't stay exactly as they are right now - they never do - not even for perennial winners. When I talk about stability, consistency, I'm looking at a bigger picture than coaching staff, free agency, etc. I was thinking more in terms of the team atmosphere and mindset. I still think Williams has a better chance of maintaining the general atmosphere and mindset of the team in spite of the inevitable changes that come with every offseason, every new head coach (whether they were promoted from within or hired from outside of the organization). I never envisioned it as Williams gets promoted to HC/Blache or Gray get promoted to DC/everything else stays the same. I even said, in my last post, that I figured there would be some upheaval on the offensive side of the house. All I am saying is, GW has the respect of the team, understands the direction in which the team is headed, and should be given a chance to take the lead and see if he can keep it going.

Personally, as a lifelong fan, I am so tired of seeing the coaching staff undergo a near-100% turnover every few years, along with half the team. It's gotten so it's not worth buying Redskins jerseys for current players anymore, because we seem to jettison our "core" players every few years when the regime changes. All I'm asking, as a fan, is for someone to take over who has been a part of the current regime for a while, and already has the respect of the team, before we do yet another massive overhaul of the "core" team and the philosophy. I firmly believe that the team was heading in the right direction under Gibbs' regime, even when I did say (and I will own up to this) that he probably should retire and hand the team off to GW. So now that he's retired, I stick to my guns - hand the team off to GW, stick to the plan, and go forward. I expect turnover if this happens. Just not the widespread, top-to-bottom turnover that HAS happened in the past when a new coach from the outside takes over.

Posted by: jaradel | January 10, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

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