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Second Half Breakdown

Had some research I did that didn't get in the paper looking at the second half offensive problems.

Check this out:

Vs. Arizona
Skins Second Half Offensive TDs: 1
5 first downs
78 net yards
5 Second Half Drives
--Drives where fail to get first down: 4
--1 drive over 2:50

Green Bay
Offensive Second Half TDs: 0
4 first downs
98 net yards
9 Second half drives
--Drives where fail to get first down: 6
--0 Drives over 2:50

Detroit
Offensive TDs: 1
8 first downs
130 net yards
5 Second Half Drives
--Drives where fail to get first downs: 1
--4 drives over 2:50

NYG
Offensive Tds: 0
4 first downs
81 net yards
6 Second Half Drives
--Drives where fail to get first down: 4 (first 4 of half)
--Drives over 2:50: 0

PHI
Offensive Tds: 1
8 first downs
128 net yards
4 Second Half Drives
--Drives where fail to get first down: 1
--Drives over 2:50: 1

MIA
Offensive Tds: 0
14 First Downs
305 first downs
6 Second Half Drives
--Drives where fail to get first down: 2
--Drives over 2:50: 3

Definitely not a good trend. Went from running the ball down Miami's throat with the two-headed RB monster (Portis and Betts both got 17 carries) to getting very little on the ground. Injuries are a part of it, Clinton not being in full game shape has a lot to do with it too, and having Betts sit for an hour or more at a time then giving him the ball in critical situations late in games is part of it, too.

Check out the Second Half Rushing in the past 3 close games (losses to GB and NYG and win over Az).
Skins led at the half in all of those games and wanted to close it out on the ground, but I think they need to rethink the approach given the running game is inept now (25th in the NFL) and the fact that JC is willing and able to handle the pressure if given the chance to try to finish teams off through the air.

Second Half Rushing
AZ 16 carries for 39 yards - 2.4
GB 12-31 - 2.6
NYG 17 - 25 - 1.5
TOTAL 45 for 95 - 2.1 per carry - Ouch!

By Jason La Canfora  |  October 23, 2007; 11:47 AM ET
 
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Comments

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Posted by: Pantaloneees | October 23, 2007 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Nice stats. Thanks JLa.

What's the mood at the park?

Posted by: Skinz | October 23, 2007 12:14 PM | Report abuse

FIRST

Posted by: Anonymous | October 23, 2007 12:15 PM | Report abuse

We have said it before....Gibbs is ancient. He needs to drink his ensure, change his diaper, and take a nap during half time.

No time for half time adjustments.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 23, 2007 12:16 PM | Report abuse

http://www.roanoke.com/sports/profootball/wb/136922

Portis admits its Gibbs and Saunders screwing up the offense.

"If you watch our defense at practice, they're quick, smooth, fly around," Portis told a Washington television station. "For us, the offense, we drop balls in practice, we turn it over in practice. What we do in practice we do in the game"

Posted by: Anonymous | October 23, 2007 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like they just gotta come out swinging in the second half just to keep the momentum going.

Posted by: Stumped | October 23, 2007 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Ancient at 4-2

Ancient and grooming a talented QB

Ancient and 1 game in the L column behind the division leader

Ancient and winning games people think he should loose

Posted by: Dik | October 23, 2007 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Anon - I read that story you linked to, and - other than the unsubstantiated headline - I don't see where or how Portis blamed the coaches for the offense players' miscues. He refers to what the players are doing (dropping passes, etc.); there is no statement attributable to Portis that the play calling, schemes, etc. have caused the practice screw-ups. CP only says what any halfway decent athlete would say, "You play how you practice."

Posted by: Ghost of Plimpton | October 23, 2007 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Lets help our defense out with a running game! To me clinton portis is holding us back yeah he finds the endzone but as far as sustaining drives as we did last year you need a bigger back that can consistently get positive yards ala larry johnson. Hence lets stop fooling ourselves Joe Gibbs you owe it to the organization to bench portis as you did Brunell. Betts is the back that has quietly sat around waiting for what? We're winning but it's because of our defense and the offense is not playing redskins football so long as Clinton Portis is the feature back. Please PLAY BETTS!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: sthai75 | October 23, 2007 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous poster, Clinton made those comments Sunday after the game about the offense dropping balls in practice. But please tell me how the "players dropping the balls" in practice places the blame on Gibbs and Saunders. CP's comments did not place the blame on Gibbs and Saunders -don't see how you make that assumption.

Posted by: Lisa | October 23, 2007 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Look, this team plays like they practice.
All teams in every sport play like they practice.

Portis is not pc enough to lie for Gibbs.

Gibbs would like us to believe otherwise. He takes us all for blathering fools.

Even Riggins launched y'day on Gibbs stating that he is out of touch and in total denial.

10 games left - they might go 5-5. Maybe.

Posted by: GAD | October 23, 2007 12:30 PM | Report abuse

I think they might do well to reverse the rolls. Have Betts as the feature and then bring Portis in for the quick hit. Dare I say, a little Rock Cartwright now and again? Now there's a playmaker!

Posted by: Dik | October 23, 2007 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Well, if its any consolation, I doubt the Skins will be sitting on a lead at halftime this Sunday. I don't think they will be able to call a play a (conservative/defensive) offense series. If they can hang 30 points on the Patriots, the Skins will win.

But the Patriots are not the Lions, they have a tight Defense.

Posted by: Stumped | October 23, 2007 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Lisa,

Gibbs is the head coach. If he is running shotty practices, then he takes the hit.

It's his team.

Posted by: GAD | October 23, 2007 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Jason
Do you ever bother to take a second and proofread your comments? Or is writing like a third grader part of being really cool? The whole, "Hey bra, I'm a brother too, wish I were fresh out of Pelican Bay, street rules, don't dis me, Yo Yo Yo" shtick.

Posted by: idontremember | October 23, 2007 12:32 PM | Report abuse

BALL CONTROL.......START BETTS.......PLAYACTION......BENCH PORTIS WHO DOESN'T EVEN PRATICE.......An what's with this defeatess attitude gibbs is exuding during his press conference. I think we can beat the pats why can't the Head Coach!

Posted by: sthai75 | October 23, 2007 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Let me guess, Gibbs runs deep routes and covers Moss in practice too. What a joke, atleast Portis is giving an opinion on what the hell is the problem with the offense, while Gibbs consistently just says " They played their guts out". He's really starting to get on my nerves. When will you learn you old fool? If the running game isn't there, pass the ball!

Posted by: redskins8085 | October 23, 2007 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Gibbs should switch from Ensure to Pedialyte... that stuff is liquid gold.

Great stats Jasno... Outdid my little 4 quarter summary from yesterday.

Turn the Dagger. Deliver the KO blow. If Mortal Kombat taught me anything growing up, it would be "FINISH HIM!"

I will withdraw to my nerdery now.

Posted by: Dorf | October 23, 2007 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone know where "drive over 2:50" stat comes from? Why not drive over 2:00 or 2.30 or 3:00?

Posted by: M | October 23, 2007 12:37 PM | Report abuse

I say 6-4, GAD. Still - how's that BAD?? remember last year? And the next two years should be continual improvement. Are you telling me that you're UNhappy with a shift from 4-12 to 10-6 or 9-7?

It's crrraaazy talk!

YOU coveted my ice-cream bar! People... always.. trying.. to TAKE IT FROM ME!

Posted by: Dik | October 23, 2007 12:37 PM | Report abuse

We'll find out this week whether JCam is ready for the offense to be opened up. He'll have to chuck it 40-45 times to keep up with the Pats.

I think he is ready, and even in a loss this week, I think he finally earns the full trust of Coach Joe going forward.

That said, the only way they win this game is if the running game is resurrected and they stuff it down Belichick's throat to the tune of 40 carries for 200+ yards on the ground. They must hold the ball for about 37 or 38 minutes to have any chance whatsoever.

I give them about a 2% chance of doing this.

Posted by: CMoney | October 23, 2007 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Skinz | October 23, 2007 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Maroney Not Really Ready To Play
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Scout.com
PatriotsInsider.com Oct 23, 2007

Laurence Maroney returned to action on Sunday, but is he still a ways away from being ready? According to Maroney, it's never easy watching from the sideline. What else did he say after Sunday's blowout?


Laurence Maroney returned to action for New England Patriots for Sunday's win over the Dolphins in Miami. He wasn't really needed as the passing attack paced the way to the 49-28 blowout, but after missing three games with a groin issue -- the fourth injury on record in the 2006 first-round pick's short career -- it was still a positive sight for Pats fans.

Tom Brady, Randy Moss and Co. had more than enough in the tank to send the Dolphins packing, but moving forward it was important for the offense to get Maroney (six carries for 31 yards in Miami) back on the field, a place he hopes to stay for good. Offseason shoulder surgery forced him to miss just about all of training camp and then after just a couple weeks of early season action he was sidelined again with the groin issue. Needless to say, as much as fans have concerns about the lead back's durability, No. 39 is looking to remain healthy to prove things to himself.

"First of all, coming off one injury as it is and then coming into another one, it definitely is frustrating," Maroney said. "It's like, 'I just can't get rid of these things.' My whole career I never had injuries until I got to the (NFL). I missed two games in college due to an ankle sprain. But those were the only games I missed in my football career. Then I come up here and it's like I just can't get rid of these things.

"It's one of those things that you try to work hard not to be labeled as injury-prone and you try to work so hard not to be injured. But in this game of football, I'm surprised people don't get injured every play. That's just a surprising stat to me, that the way we play and how hard we work and how physical this game is people should get hurt more often. But it's one of those things that you don't want to have."

Questions about Maroney's durability became even more critical when veteran teammate Sammy Morris went down with a chest injury two weeks ago in Dallas. Various published reports have indicated that Morris, the team's leader in rushing through his six games with 85 carries for 384 yards, could miss more than a month with the injury that found his left arm in a sling following the win over the Cowboys. With Corey Dillon having been released last spring, Morris was the only other real every-down option on the running back depth chart. He stepped up in Maroney's absence, eclipsing the 100-yard mark in the first two games after the sophomore starter was sidelined.

While it seemed that the idea heading into the season -- one that played out through the first two weeks -- was to have Maroney and Morris split the rushing load, for the foreseeable future that won't be the case. As his teammates did while he was absent, Maroney will be counted on to produce even more upon his return.

But Morris' absence didn't put any extra pressure on Maroney -- who did not play as a game-time decision after an extended warm-up period a week earlier Oct. 14 in Dallas -- to get on the faster track to game action. While he doesn't want to be labeled negatively due to the injuries, he has also tried to take a smart approach to his return from them.

"You still have to know your body and know your injury. Just because another a person went down, doesn't mean you have to speed your injury process up and then hurt yourself more," Maroney said. "Then two of you are out for even longer instead of you just being patient."

Another factor that has no real bearing on the recovery process is the team's record. Rolling through the early going undefeated, as the Patriots have done, or struggling to win, either way injured players want to return as soon as possible.

"It's not easier," Maroney said of watching winning action from the sideline as opposed to the alternative. "Even if we are winning, losing, it's not easier. Because you want to play and you want to contribute in any way possible. So it's not easy sitting out."

"Anybody that says they love the game of football would be anxious whether they have to sit out one week, two weeks, three days," Maroney said. "You are always going to be anxious because you love playing the game of football. It hurts to be on the sideline. You miss it just watching it. But it just gives you more motivation to come back."

Now that he is back Maroney needs to prove to everyone, including himself, that he can stay on the field and avoid injury.

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Story URL: http://patriots.scout.com/2/693741.html

Posted by: 4th | October 23, 2007 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4th | October 23, 2007 12:42 PM | Report abuse

NE hasn't played a D like ours yet. They will not score so readily and may even be shocked to failure.

see '06 Dolphins here, puhleeze.

Posted by: Dik | October 23, 2007 12:42 PM | Report abuse

I give them about a 2% chance of doing this.

Posted by: CMoney | October 23, 2007 12:38 PM


You are a glass is Half Full kind of guy...

I give it 0.2% chance

Posted by: Anonymous | October 23, 2007 12:42 PM | Report abuse

As you all know I am one of JLC strongest supporters. But damn! When are you going to get off of this? You have made the same statements the past 3-4 weeks! We get it they haven't played well in the 2nd half.

Posted by: jm220 | October 23, 2007 12:42 PM | Report abuse

This is great research Jason. My very honest assessment is it comes down to injuries. It just does. You can't lose the people we've lost. I'm sure Pucillo is a nice guy but he's awful. Just awful. Jason Panini is terrible. It shows you how bad the situation is when they bring in a veteran guard like DeMulling and he can't beat out Panini. I actually like Wade a lot..didn't see a drop compared to Jansen, but I guarantee you he is playing real hurt. And that's it. I don't think this needs to be over analyzed.

Me and the Glover Park psychos have been having a very heated debate about this week's game. Some in the crew are optimistic, others are less so like myself and AMTTS. The idea that we will catching them looking ahead is absolutely ridiculous. Please do not even bother discussing this. Also, if you think our current scheme will work against them, you are dead wrong because they won 3 super bowls using the 7 yard check down offense. So "punishing" the receiver 5 yards out will not work. The only way in hell we win this game is get to Brady. It's the only way. This is one of those games where Gregg Williams needs to earn that money and show us how he's a genius. They will need to blitz creatively. Not just corners and safeties, but creative linebacker blitzes because Brady will sniff out a corner blitz . Also, if our defense plays the game of their lives, we will still need to score more than 24 points, no doubt about it. Absolutely no doubt. Here's the problem, we would need to get the running game going like incredibly tightly in order to pull this off on the other side of the ball with some big plays sprinkled in between. Not gonna happen with this line. They just aren't talented enough plain and simple.

I disagree with all this nonsense about the Pats being the 89 49ers...that is just nonsense. That team was so good and would beat this Pats team by 2tds on any day, anywhere, any time. But these guys are nasty, no doubt. With our o-line and the evidence I have seen thus far, I give us a 10% chance of winning this game. I just don't think we have the horses.

My one caveat is this. If there is one coach in the league that can identify any weakness in the Patriots, it's Joe Gibbs,and I mean that sincerely. Gibbs has seen just about everything you could see in the years he's coached. I really believe this is a game where the coaches better earn their paychecks.

Posted by: The Governor | October 23, 2007 12:42 PM | Report abuse

I wonder who will be catching the ball when JC throws?

Not who he's targeting, but who will actually catch it. You've got problems if your number one target is the tight end.

Posted by: Stumped | October 23, 2007 12:43 PM | Report abuse

What is the deal with the START BETTS nonsense? Betts is a power back. You need a dominant line to run that way, let alone run the ball at all. The low rushing production is not Portis' fault. You CANNOT run the ball effectively with a shoddy line. Only Barry Sanders could do that. Stop the Betts griping already. The man can't find the endzone.

BALANCE.

PANTIES.

ENCHILADAS.

ATTACK YOU IDIOT.

SIGN COOLEY.

DRINK DUFF BEER


(responsibly)

Posted by: Dorf | October 23, 2007 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Belicheck will have his team ready to play. No matter what.

Willams will have his defense ready to play. Even if he gets no help from Offense.

Gibbs already preparing post game speech about how "they fought the guts out...i am so proud of them...and Al called a great game because we managed to get 2 first downs in the second half"

Saunders...already figuring out how to call a double reverse flea flicker at his own 2 yard line

Posted by: Anonymous | October 23, 2007 12:44 PM | Report abuse

What's the point of having two speedy receivers to throw to down the field? True they might drop the ball, but they MIGHT catch it too. Why not let Moss try to redeem himself by going to him early and often? That's what teams do to get their great players back on track. This really doesn't make any sense to me. This is not rocket science, and I agree, give Betts more than 3 carries a game. Why do they give these players huge contracts and then don't put them in the game?

Posted by: redskins8085 | October 23, 2007 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Dik,

Look, the beef here is about the offense and coaching. The critical question here is this team actually improving, particularly when compared to the best teams in the league(NE, Indy)?

The answer is no.

The offense is now rated 25th out of 32 and dropping. This is Gibbs supposed specialty. If the offense were even average then this team would be a serious contender.

The point here is that these wins are not sustainable when half of the team takes half of each game off.

That's the rub.

Posted by: GAD | October 23, 2007 12:46 PM | Report abuse

I realize that cp is struggling and I will concede that he has left some yards out there, but there is no o-line right now! You could put Barry Sanders or LT or anybody you want, and the skins will not have an effective running game!
Remember the playoff run in 05? As soon as Randy Thomas went down, the running game disappeared.
Maybe if the newbies can develop a lil continunity, the running game can come back, but I don't put the blame on the backs.

Posted by: nah | October 23, 2007 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone noticed that the Skins are hangin' in there in one of the toughest divisions in the NFL? Based on Mark Maske's Week 8 Power Rankings (the only set I have seen so far this week) only the NFC East and AFC South have three teams in the top 10 of the power rankings. Do you think bloggers for the Titans are roaring about how bad their team sucks? Oh, and the Monster Pats are marching through a division with no other team ranked higher than 23rd! Kinda puts a different spin on all the NFL comments I was at the beginning of the year saying that the NFC blows.

Posted by: A Fan | October 23, 2007 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Gad, your comment makes absolutely no sense. Yes, Gibbs/Saunders are the coaches but they cannot catch the passes for the receivers. Maybe that is why they are calling running plays - because the receivers are screwing up in practice.

As I stated last night, Saunders made the comment that he thinks it is time to "turn Jason loose a bit and show what he can do" - hopefully that will happen this weekend. It's the perfect opportunity....what have we got to lose?

Posted by: Lisa | October 23, 2007 12:54 PM | Report abuse

I thought they turned him loose against Detroit? That was supposed to be his coming out party. Then what happened? They went right back to old crappy conservative passing game. When they take a step forward with Campbell, they seem to pull him back two steps the next game. What the hell!

Posted by: redskins8085 | October 23, 2007 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Anybody calling for the team to bench Portis and replace him with Betts is a fool. I have to believe those posts aren't serious. Why do people think Betts is a better power back? I think it is a perception that just because he is slower than Portis, he must be more powerful. He isn't. Betts is an adequate NFL back and he took advantage of excellent run blocking by our o-line last year and deserves kudos for that. Still, Portis is a FAR superior back in terms of elusiveness, power, vision, blocking, and every single phase of the game at that position. He hits the hole harder than Betts.

There are two problems with the running game this year: (1) because of injuries, we have o-lineman who are getting blown into the backfield at the snap (specifically, pucillo, fabini, and Wade); and (2) we have not involved the wide receivers enough downfield to keep teams from putting 8 in the box. The first is the much bigger problem. Watch the games again on TIVO and you will see its one guy on each play when we try to run up the middle or to the right. One play, Wade whiffs on the end; the next play Fabini gets pushed 3 yards into the backfield; the next play pucillo misses a stunt and sellers has to block a 300 lb defensive tackle instead of a linebacker. The good news is, Rabach should be back and Fabini and Wade should get better as the season wears on.

Posted by: Mike H. | October 23, 2007 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone noticed that the Skins are hangin' in there in one of the toughest divisions in the NFL?

Posted by: A Fan | October 23, 2007 12:54 PM

One Andy Ried screwup time out that helped out the Ancient Gibbs from making another bad decision to beat the lowly Eagles.

One Joe Gibbs screwup costing us a win against the Giants....and pretty much single handedly reviving the Giants season.

Schedule gets tougher starting this week...with only cake teams rest of the year being Jets and Vikings

Yeah....

Posted by: Anonymous | October 23, 2007 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Lisa,

Good point about not alot to lose. A loss to NE is about the "best" loss that the Skins can take on the schedule. Everyone in the NFC East has to face NE. If the all lose, then the NE games are a complete wash in terms of standing and tie breakers. This is as good a chance you have to cut Jason loose as we would have if the season was already in the tank.

Posted by: A Fan | October 23, 2007 1:00 PM | Report abuse

People can disagree don't take it personally folks. I happen to believe we are better off now than we were pre-gibbs but if someone disagrees it doesn't make them an idiot or bad person or bad skins fan. It's called an opinion folks.

Posted by: Da Truef | October 23, 2007 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone else get mad as hell seeing weird Al sitting in the booth durring a game? I just feel like the OC needs to be down with his men. He needs to be able to talk to guys and figure out what they are capable of doing. If Santana is in a bad state of mind he is not a play maker, so throw in McC and get him the dang ball.

If the RB's can't run the ball due to the line, maybe we need to see how their hands are and get them in the flats.

Posted by: 35332 | October 23, 2007 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Clinton Portis is a little whiner! Why don't you step up and be a leader and get your career back on track as opposed to working on your script for your lame show. I truly hope this guy is gone next year. So Clinton, take you and your blue haired mom out of DC!

Posted by: Jeff | October 23, 2007 1:05 PM | Report abuse

35332,

Doc Walker was talking about that on 980 this morning. Doc said that you cannot see what is going on from the field - that is it much better for the playcaller to be in the booth. He said that Greg Blache is in the booth calling down to Williams.

Posted by: Lisa | October 23, 2007 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, I'm with you. What Portis said is that the PLAYERS aren't executing in practice and they are doing the same thing in the games. Its up to the players to execute, not the coaches.

Posted by: Mike H. | October 23, 2007 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Skinz | October 23, 2007 1:08 PM | Report abuse

OUCH is right Jasno! They need to split the RBs carries by series - no more of this taking yourself out of the game whenever you want crap. If this is CP running with a chip on his shoulder then I'd hate to see him happy and content.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 23, 2007 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Steinz Loves 85 | October 23, 2007 1:09 PM | Report abuse

"with only cake teams rest of the year being Jets and Vikings"

Um...dude...we play Buffalo at home this year too. And the Skins outplayed the Eagles and deserved the win they got.

Posted by: Mike H. | October 23, 2007 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Wow, 305 first downs against Miami! That's got to be a record.

Posted by: Larry Bud | October 23, 2007 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Lisa,

It all comes down to results. Who's group is preforming GG or Al? I have seen that simple change made in other cities and the results can be revolutionary. I am not saying it will work but it could. Furthermore. They have the monitors and the pics on the sidelines right now.

Posted by: 35332 | October 23, 2007 1:13 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins have nothing to lose in this game...If I was them I would take a couple personal fouls early...Hit Brady low or high. Hit him late. Let Randy Moss know that Sean Taylor is roaming around in the secondary. Hit him hard out of bounds or in the head....Gotta rough them up if they have are going to have any chance...

Posted by: Anonymous | October 23, 2007 1:14 PM | Report abuse

From ESPN power rankings...this is the blurb about the 32nd ranked Dolphins:

"Anybody else feel sorry for British fans who shelled out big bucks to see two NFL teams play a meaningful game in London ... and one of those teams is the league's worst? Maybe they won't know Ronnie Brown is out."

Yes, and I feel even worse for any British ex-pats who are fans of those Dolph..... Oops, sorry Redcoat. :)

Posted by: Anonymous | October 23, 2007 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Sorry Redcoat- Anon 1:14 ESPN posting was me.

Posted by: 4-12 | October 23, 2007 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Minisota is not a cake walk

Posted by: 35332 | October 23, 2007 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Why do people post entire articles here?

Look mom, I can cut and paste!

Posted by: Wayne P. | October 23, 2007 1:17 PM | Report abuse

"Hit Brady low or high. Hit him late. Let Randy Moss know that Sean Taylor"

I can get behind hitting him a little late, but not low. I want to rattle him, not intentionally injure him. Thats how the Steelers win, not how the Skins do it.

That said, if (and I don't think it will happen) they try to run up the score on us like they did to Dallas with the F-you TD, I say lets end Brady's season.

Posted by: Mike H. | October 23, 2007 1:18 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins have nothing to lose in this game...If I was them I would take a couple personal fouls early...Hit Brady low or high. Hit him late. Let Randy Moss know that Sean Taylor is roaming around in the secondary. Hit him hard out of bounds or in the head....Gotta rough them up if they have are going to have any chance...


In the immortal words of Hulk Hogan.....

AMEN BROTHER!!!!!

Posted by: Wayne P. | October 23, 2007 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Mike H./Lisa,

According to you, Gibbs has no influence on how practice goes. It's all up to the players. He's just throws the ball out there and let's them go at.

Mmm...I think a any coach worth his salt would work hard at each practice to refine his teams skills, eliminate mistakes, and get his players prepared for the upcoming opponent.

Atleast we now know that gibbs agrees with your approach.

Posted by: GAD | October 23, 2007 1:21 PM | Report abuse

I can't wait for Al to open up a can o' soup on people.

Posted by: Dorf | October 23, 2007 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Dear Mr. Taylor,

Please, just once (or more than once), knock the piss out of Randy Moss for us.

Thanks.

Posted by: Wayne P. | October 23, 2007 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Anyone see how the Colts use Dallas clark and Utrecht? Clark lines up in slot, with Utrecht playing traditional blocking tight end. Incidentally how we use to use Doc walker/Terry Orr with Don Warren in Gibbs 1.0...(and before you say oline...colts had third string left tackle in last night)


I would love to see Cooley/Yoder used this way. Cooley in slot, ARE/Moss on wing...Yoder in motion or on line....

And the colts run out of this spread often with Dallas Clark cutting in on a LB...


Just thinking a loud....

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 23, 2007 1:21 PM | Report abuse

The only way to beat NE is to keep our saftys DEEP. Take a bend but don't break philosopy, make em win it with the kicker.

Posted by: 35332 | October 23, 2007 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Anyone hear about this Bills thing, they want to play 2 games in Canada. And they finally took draft round 1 to 10 min.

Posted by: 35332 | October 23, 2007 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Crunched a few simple numbers myself. Excluding Detroit where we blew them out, our record is 3-2.
In the first half, we outscore other teams 58-29
In the second half, we are outscored 56-30
Total reversal ...

Break it down a bit more
In the 3rd quarter, we are outscored 23-20. Pretty even overall, but clearly momentum has stopped.

In the fourth quarter, we are outscored 33-10 !!! Ironically, the big 4th quarter problem would have only changed the Giants game outcome. But obviously we were in jeopardy several times, including Miami and Az.

Posted by: AL | October 23, 2007 1:24 PM | Report abuse

with only cake teams rest of the year being Jets and Vikings"

Um...dude...we play Buffalo at home this year too. And the Skins outplayed the Eagles and deserved the win they got.

Posted by: Mike H. | October 23, 2007 01:10 PM


Buffalo beat Ravens this week...

Buffalo was one Joe Gibbs choke job away from beating Dallas

Not likely that Redskins will beat Bills

Posted by: Anonymous | October 23, 2007 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Bills playing 2 in Canada is horrible idea....Buffalo is a loyal and strong fan base....what a slap in the face that would be....

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 23, 2007 1:25 PM | Report abuse

GAD,

What we are saying is that when it comes down to it, the players have to make the plays. There are no magic words that will make guys catch the ball. Sometimes, you can make a guy run 100 laps, but he still doesn't always protect the football. Coaches come up with the game plan, but the players execute it. In practice and in the game.

Posted by: Mike H. | October 23, 2007 1:25 PM | Report abuse

"Bills playing 2 in Canada is horrible idea....Buffalo is a loyal and strong fan base....what a slap in the face that would be...."

They have a choice. 2 home games in Buffalo or 8 home games in L.A.

That market can't support a team. That said, Jacksonville is worse.

Posted by: Mike H. | October 23, 2007 1:27 PM | Report abuse

CL I'm thinking Cooley Sellers instead of Yoddler.

Posted by: Skinz | October 23, 2007 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Isn't there any way to do a Nancy Kerrigan on Tom Brady? On second thought, wouldn't that be a Jeff Galluli? Maybe Snyder can hire a new "consultant" from the CIA and spike Brady's hair gel with "Nair". Maybe someone can claim to be one of Bill Beli-cheat's friends and admit that he is nailing their wife - again. Maybe someone can sprinkle some weed into Randy Moss' sport drink bottle.....

Nevermind that last one, it might make him play better.

Posted by: Wayne P. | October 23, 2007 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Skinz.....

You gotta a deal...good improvement!

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 23, 2007 1:29 PM | Report abuse

"Buffalo beat Ravens this week...

Buffalo was one Joe Gibbs choke job away from beating Dallas

Not likely that Redskins will beat Bills"

That is a joke. These Skins will beat this Buffalo team 100 out of 100 times at FedEx. I bet you thought Detroit would win too. Buffalo beat a Ravens team that is a fraud and almost beat a Cowboys team that had a once-in-a-career choke from its QB and they did that IN BUFFALO. Wake up man.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 23, 2007 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Regarding Gibbs/Coaching, Portis is a fine example.

His last fumble occurred because he was holding the ball with both hands when running left. In fact, I believe he never tucks the ball in his left arm when running left.

Oh by the way, that's the only direction the Redskins can run.

Where's the coaching to correct that?

Posted by: GAD | October 23, 2007 1:29 PM | Report abuse

We have a Anon v Anon battle!

Posted by: Chris Larry | October 23, 2007 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Maske has blogged about the draft changes....and here's his story:

When the first round of the NFL Draft ended last April, Commissioner Roger Goodell ruefully announced that it had been the longest in league history. At 6 hours, 8 minutes, Goodell called the record undesirable.
On the first day of NFL owners meetings at a local hotel, the league announced that that shouldn't be a problem next year.
The NFL announced that it is shortening the first round, decreasing the amount of time allowed for first-round selections from 15 minutes to 10 minutes per team. The time allotment for second-round choices also is being reduced, from 10 minutes to seven per team.
The starting time of the first day of the draft is being moved back as well; it will start three hours later, at 3 p.m. Saturday. The third round will move to Sunday, with that days starting time moving up one hour, to 10 a.m.
"We believe these changes will make for a more streamlined and efficient draft," Goodell said in a written statement released by the league. Next year's draft is scheduled for April 26-27.
Shortening the first round is viewed as a possible precursor to moving it to prime time Friday night one day.

Posted by: Cindy | October 23, 2007 1:32 PM | Report abuse

What do you suggest, GAD? Should Gibbs run out onto the field in the middle of the play and actually move the ball to Portis's left arm? Do you think Portis doesn't do it because he doesn't know what the right way is? He does it because that's how he's comfortable (Riggins held it with two hands a lot as well).

Posted by: Mike H. | October 23, 2007 1:33 PM | Report abuse

AHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. NICE STATS THERE SKINNIES. OLD MAN GIBBY IS SO OLD AND SENILE HE CAN'T EVEN FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET BETTER IN THE 2ND HALF. HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Posted by: BOOFER | October 23, 2007 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Strange to sayk, but the way we won in Miami has messed us up. The ball control in the OT was very impressive. And I think the coaches figured that approach would be successful and had the opener to prove it.

Little did we know that Miami was about the worst team in the league. That this run strategy doesn't work against most teams.

The NFL has decided that sitting on a lead by running the ball isn't good TV and so teams that try this will struggle. Reading between the lines in the NFL rulebook ... it says To WIN ... PASS THE BALL !!!

Look at the comebacks this year. The Texans trailed by about 25 points going in to the 4th quarter and actually came back to take the lead this past week. And thats not the only monster comeback. Look at how NE crushed Dallas witht he pass in the last 20 minutes of that game.

Its not 1982. We don't have the Hogs and we don't have Riggins. In 2007, you run for show, and pass for dough.

Posted by: AL | October 23, 2007 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Anyone here resemble Tom Brady? If so, can we get a photo of you banging a fat chick? That would be enough to throw anyone off their game.

Posted by: Wayne P. | October 23, 2007 1:34 PM | Report abuse

If I see Shawn Taylor closing in on me, I think that will be one of the plays I take off.

Posted by: StraightCashHomie | October 23, 2007 1:40 PM | Report abuse

This is a 9-7 or 10-6 ball club and being 4-2 is exactly where they belong. The reality of losing to NE is that they will be 4-3 with the a visit to the lowly to Jets following. Beating the teams that your supposed to beat and mixing in some W's against division opponents puts the Skins squarely on the path to the playoffs.

The reaper's continued disciplined play is the horse this time will ride to the playoffs. Double G has him in position to legitimately compete and possibly win defensive MVP. He's benefited tremendously from the addition of Fletcher and the two of them eat up the entire middle of the field. Give me the continued bland, run it into the middle of the line, don't turn it over offensively philosphy (until Randy is back in the lineup) compensated by that 'body rocking' defense and I will surely tune in for Skins' playoff football.

Posted by: tony | October 23, 2007 1:42 PM | Report abuse

That is hideous... Is it time to give DeMulling some loving and a chance to play... seems that as soon as Randy went down the running game was done... They need to do something to get this going... waiting until Dec. when Randy might be able to return might not be enough....

Posted by: E in VB | October 23, 2007 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Skins need to be a pass first team. Pass on first down. Early in the game, get Campbell in rhythm with his receivers. Brady and P Manning don't need to be in synch with their WRs from the opening of the game -- though they usually are -- because they are so good that they can pick it up as the game progresses.

Campbell is different. Less than 1 season of games under his belt and not a lot of stability with his WRs even in this short period. He needs to get that chemistry with the receivers early. If that doesn't happen, it probably won't happen all game. Just look at this past game against AZ. The passing game never looked right.

Posted by: AL | October 23, 2007 1:46 PM | Report abuse

When will Randy be ready?
He's not on the screen right now.

Posted by: Stumped | October 23, 2007 1:47 PM | Report abuse

YOU FORGOT ONE IMPORTANT STAT.

THEY ARE 4-2 chicken little!!!

Posted by: TheGuru10 | October 23, 2007 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Mike H,

Tiki has huge fumble problems a few years back, remember? He worked hard and relearned how to carry the ball.

There's really only way to carry the ball. Away from the defenders, cradled up your arm and tucked in your armpit.

That's it. Riggins, Portis, whoever, can carry any way you like, but you will have more fumbles than necessary.

Gibbs let CP CHANGE THE FREAKIN' UNIFORM. Remember that? Perhaps the most reprehensible act of his 2nd tenure.

I guess he wouldn't have the courage to coach on any finer point.

Bad technique. Bad coaching to allow.

Posted by: GAD | October 23, 2007 1:50 PM | Report abuse

WHO'D YOU BEAT FOOL? A STINKY MIAMI TEAM, A STINKY PHILLY TEAM, A STINKY DETROIT TEM AND A STINKY ARIZONA TEAM. YEAH 4 QUALITY WINS THERE. HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

Posted by: BOOFER | October 23, 2007 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Damn GAD! Take a deep breath, a walk, or something. The team is 4-2.

Posted by: jm220 | October 23, 2007 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Sorry its one pre season one regular season game in Toronto that the Bills want. I doubt it will happen. I don't think its a bad idea, I also liked that the Pack used to play games in Millw.

They need solutionsfor helping these small market teams and these NFL level markets with no teams. Best I have heard is the 17 game season, where every team plays 1 game in a nutral city.

I think LA and Toronto could host multipal games in that style. Make them the Monday Night Games or Sunday Night. That would be better then expanding and giving LA a team, let them host 8 games a year like that, put 2 in Toronto, 1 in Mexico city and rotate the rest from city to city.

Its obvious from many of my previous posts that I am a fan of creating a Minor league for the NFL to play in 32 of the Non-NFL cities. I am not as big a fan of expansion like I used to be, the NFL does not have the talent for it like they used to.

Posted by: 35332 | October 23, 2007 1:55 PM | Report abuse

I tell ya, y'all stink! All you naysayers and chicken littles out there while we're here fightin' our guts out in this football deal. I think it stinks, completely. Stinks, stinks, stinks so bad I can actually smell it. Opps, my bad, I need to change my diaper.

Posted by: Joe Jackson Gibbs | October 23, 2007 1:56 PM | Report abuse

It makes you say hmmmmm...
http://www.postgameheroes.com/?p=1291

Posted by: Stumped | October 23, 2007 1:59 PM | Report abuse

GAD,

You just made my point. Tiki Barber had a bad tachnique and TIKI worked hard to correct it. Coughlin could not correct it for him, he had to do it himself.

Posted by: Mike H. | October 23, 2007 2:00 PM | Report abuse

coach vs. player issue is getting beaten like a dead horse.

Are any of us at the practices? Are we on the sidelines?

Can we please get back to talking about firing Gibbs or benching Portis? Wait...

Posted by: Dorf | October 23, 2007 2:02 PM | Report abuse

I have never heard so many people be so depressed about a winning team. And I don't just mean this blog I mean DC.

Posted by: 35332 | October 23, 2007 2:04 PM | Report abuse

srry GAD - I wuz at lunch.

I hear your complaint, but I don't think the issue is as you say. The O-line injuries correspond directly to the problems the Offense is having. Given that we are still rebuilding (Please, Danny can we keep Rebuilding instead of adding overpriced crap i.e., Receiver, The?) we don't have the depth to do what NE or Indy does.

While calling different plays might or might not make a difference - experienced, gelled, un-injured starters DO. Every time.

The Redskins feel they need to manage the game - if they loose some because of it, they loose some.. but that's better than loosing MORE of them by taking stupid chances (see Green Bay Reverse).

And all of this complaining is ridiculous given that we're OVER 500, A game & a half back of the division lead, have a QB who won OFFENSIVE player of the week in the conference and one of the best D's in the league.

egads - you guys (& goils) want to go from League Doormat to perfect Superbowl Champ in one season?!?

There's no crying in football.

Now hit somebody.

Posted by: Dik | October 23, 2007 2:04 PM | Report abuse

I eat poop.

Posted by: Joe Gibbs | October 23, 2007 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Are Skins fans spoiled from winning all those games back in the 80s? Ha, just kidding, but we can't forget the legacy.

We are a winning team and ranked in the top ten by most systems...now if we could just get somebody to catch the SJK ball (oops, was that me gripping?).

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Category/10_Power_Rankings.html

Posted by: Stumped | October 23, 2007 2:07 PM | Report abuse

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH....NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Posted by: POOP | October 23, 2007 2:08 PM | Report abuse

the team could definitely use some fumble drills - Green Bay did 'em and used what they learned to beat us that week.

Posted by: Dik | October 23, 2007 2:10 PM | Report abuse

What is going on with injuries?

Does anybody know? Casy, Smoot, Wade.

I think J Fab. Is playing better in the run game but I am not sure.

One of the scout stories (above) was those lame b*tch ass Miami secondary guys talking about how Moss can 't be stopped. That would explain why he kept catching balls that should have been defended with ease.

Posted by: M&M | October 23, 2007 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Mike H.,

OK. Tiki fixed it. We agree.

CP now needs to fix it.

If he can/will not, then I believe he needs help. Maybe that's why they signed Betts.

I dunno. There will always be more questions than answers when people chat about this team.

Posted by: GAD | October 23, 2007 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Skins are a good team. The defense is really good and the offense is so so. Which is what you might expect from a QB with little experience. Thing is, the QB has overachieved. Much better than I thought he'd be at this stage. Let him pass the ball. See how good he can be. And because running the ball doesn't work ...

Posted by: AL | October 23, 2007 2:14 PM | Report abuse

I would like to take Joe Gibbs and put him in a death grip then subdue him to a mean game of Yahtzee. After he's dizzy from the constant YAHTZEE YAHTZEE YAHTZEE, cause I'm that good, I would like to put him in a figure 4 leg lock and make him recite the Treaty of Versailles word for word...maybe that will snap him out of his O-FUNK...
I will punch Tom Brady in his goider!

HAIL!

Posted by: POOP | October 23, 2007 2:16 PM | Report abuse

GAD,

I definitely agree - more questions than answers. I guess when it comes down to it, Gibbs has to decide whether Portis, even with his issues carrying the ball, gives us a better shot to win than Betts (who has also had fumbling issues). He must have chosen Portis, and I tend to agree, but there is room for argument on both sides.

Posted by: Mike H. | October 23, 2007 2:16 PM | Report abuse

oh my damn.. 4-2 is 4-2.. we won a game we should have lost and we lost 2 games we should have on.. cards are not as bad as peeps make them out to be, the beat the stealers.. and anybody can beat anybody.. the skins have their problems but look at the altenative.. at least the play hard, hit people in the SJKing mouth and they always have a chance to win in the end.. after 5-11 that's all you can ask for.. have some faith and support the burgundy & gold... HAIL!! mutha sjkers

Posted by: sniksder | October 23, 2007 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Hail POOP!
Post of the Day!

(I'm not a Gibbs hater, but a little tough love, no?)

Posted by: Stumped | October 23, 2007 2:20 PM | Report abuse

PORTIS'S BEST YEARS ARE BEHIND HIM, HE KNOW'S IT HENCE HIS FEELINGS THAT HE MIGHT BE GONE NEXT YEAR. OH BY THE WAY MIAMI AND KC HAVE SORRY OFFENSIVE LINES BUT THEY'RE BACKS HAVE HAD CONSISTENT GAMES, CONSISTENCY AND PORTIS ARE NOT TO BE USED IN THE SAME SENTENCE. START BETTS NOW BEFORE IT'S TO LATE!!! THIS PORTIS TRY OUT FOR NEXT YEAR EXPERIMENT IS OVER AND SO IS PORTIS NEXT YEAR.

Posted by: sthai75 | October 23, 2007 2:21 PM | Report abuse

6 games in, 14 catches, 207 yards 0 TDs. 1 huge lost fumble. Multiple huge drops including one that turned into an INT. Wish it weren't so, but so far, Santana 2007 is BLloyd 2006.

If Santana 2007 returns to Santana 2005 form, Skins are going to the playoffs. If Randy Thomas returns as well, Skins have a realistic shot at Super Bowl.

Get Campbell and Santana on the same page ASAP!!!

Posted by: AL | October 23, 2007 2:22 PM | Report abuse

the "Y" button seems to be sjking up on my keyboard..

Posted by: sniksder | October 23, 2007 2:24 PM | Report abuse

thank you...portis sucks

Posted by: Anonymous | October 23, 2007 2:24 PM | Report abuse

super bowl?

Posted by: super bowl? | October 23, 2007 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Yes Stumped, tough love is all we have at this point...it's sad really, but doesn't 'Ol Joe look kinda confused in his pressers? ...repeating the same things over and over...looking around like he may have left the oven on...hate to say it but he's done me thinks...at least as a coach. I still think he can evaluate talent with the best of 'em.

Posted by: POOP | October 23, 2007 2:26 PM | Report abuse

I cant say that JC has over acheved. I wish I could see him throw for 300 in a game.

Posted by: 35332 | October 23, 2007 2:28 PM | Report abuse

All the posters in Redskins Insiders do is whine and b!tch and doom and gloom about EVERYTHING the Redskins do. It's annoying after a while. At least here you get to see some 'behind the scenes' stuff of not just the Skins, but all the sports-related personas in the DC area.

well done Steinz!

Posted by: I like The Bog more now | October 23, 2007 01:20 PM

Posted by: From Steinbergs Blog | October 23, 2007 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Hey Jasno, with all due respect, you know that term "MONDAY morning QB"? Well there's a reason why it's called MONDAY. And today is not Monday, its Tuesday. Yes we know the Skins offense blows in the second half this season. Time for ranting to be over.

Out there at the Park are they focused on second half stats from this season? NO. I hear there's a game this Sunday up there just outside of bean town against a pretty decent team, and I'm sure that is the focus of the coaching staff today (Tuesday).

HTTR

Posted by: RambleOn | October 23, 2007 2:29 PM | Report abuse

This is football, not rocket science.

The offensive line that we started with played better with a mix of rushing and passing (they wanted to be aggressive).

The offensive line we started with is now ancient history. The one we have is more comfortable in pass protection. Its not so much about Portis or Betts, if the blocks aren't there the running game won't work.

Its more about Saunders and Gibbs figuring out what they have to work with. (Did I mention it's not rocket science?)

So, we're facing a "what to we have to loose game" as Lisa pointed out. All you weird AL haters, get ready for Saunders to throw the play book at em.

What kind of game do you call?

(Use the pass to open up the running game).

I predict Brandon Lloyd will get two or more catches in one game on Sunday.

Posted by: Stumped | October 23, 2007 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Don't worry folks. Things will get better. Just continue to buy Redskins merchandise and things will be fine. And for you season ticket holders, consider purchasing your own personalized seat cushions for your seats. They're really comfy and they're only $250 dollars (miniumum 3 year lease required of course). If we don't beat the Patriots this Sunday, you can always purchase Redskins beer mugs to dull the pain of the loss with your favorite beer. Lastly Redskins fans, don't forget to sign up for the Redskins Reminder Service on, where else, Redskins.com. We'll remind you what time to wake up for next weeks game against the Cowboys and advertise more great deals on Redskins merchandise.

I'll have a talk with coach regarding our second-half meltdowns and ask him for the rights to "SWINGING SOULS" to put on t-shirts. We, well I, could make a killing on those shirts.

The Danny

Posted by: The DANNY | October 23, 2007 2:31 PM | Report abuse

ALL OF YOU 'SKINS FANS ARE MINDLESS SAPS!!! THANKS FOR MAKING ME A VERY RICH MAN.

Posted by: DAN SNYDER | October 23, 2007 2:31 PM | Report abuse

idiots railing against a top 10 power ranked team.

eat it.

Posted by: Dik | October 23, 2007 2:32 PM | Report abuse

the 2 biggest question marks heading into the season were the QB and the defense... & those 2 pieces of the puzzle have come through on sunday... the o-line was the greatest strength coming into '07 and they have been decimated by injuries.. if the rest of the team can get their act together we'll be alright....

Posted by: sniksder | October 23, 2007 2:33 PM | Report abuse

I do predict we will see more 4-5 WR sets in the game. I wish there was a way to go to 6.

Posted by: 35332 | October 23, 2007 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Playing the Patriots with this years team is better than playing them with last years team, right?

Posted by: Stumped | October 23, 2007 2:34 PM | Report abuse

SThai75 - At this point, you might as well try the "SIGN CHRIS COOLEY!!!!!!" Approach To Getting Your Point Across. We heard you the first time. I remain unconvinced that it's necessarily all on Clinton.

I mean, heck, it's not like we're missing 3 of 5 starters on the line (or at least judged to be a starter, in Jansen's case), is it? Fabrizy and Big Puci? We're not missing Raybach and Thomas in any way, no sir....

Posted by: FlimFlam | October 23, 2007 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Or Big Puccy, even. Sheesh.

Posted by: FlimFlam | October 23, 2007 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Don't Wayne me BRO!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Tom Brady | October 23, 2007 2:43 PM | Report abuse

There's no "I" in team.....but there are 2 in TIKI.

Oops, I just fumbled my blacberry.

Posted by: T.V Barber | October 23, 2007 2:47 PM | Report abuse

That's Mr. Second Half adjustment for ya... nice work, Janso.

But hey, at least Gibby "doesn't read anything into that UP HERE".

The facts are right there. 2 blown leads (almost 3) in 6 games. 12 blown 2nd half leads in 3+ years (leads the league). Atrocious stats through 6 games in the 2nd half (see above).

Thank god Gibbs doesn't think there's a problem going on up there.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | October 23, 2007 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Yeah I said Super Bowl. Super Bowl. Super Bowl. Super Bowl. Super Bowl. Super Bowl.
There is no one in the NFC that can't be beat. Two things that make the Skins capable of getting there. Santana returns to 2005 form and Randy Thomas is there to finish the season and thru the playoffs. Thats it. Defense is good enough to get us there in the NFC. Offense can be good enough if our playmaker returns to playmaker form.

Posted by: AL | October 23, 2007 2:48 PM | Report abuse

That was me, I guess I "Wayne'd" Tiki.

Posted by: Wayne P. | October 23, 2007 2:48 PM | Report abuse

The hell with Rick James...."I'm Tom Brady B*tch!"

Posted by: Dave Chappelle | October 23, 2007 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Isn't 'Wayneing' one of the Fatality moves by Johnny Cage in the original Mortal Kombat??

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/78/JohnnyCageMKSM.jpg/225px-JohnnyCageMKSM.jpg

Posted by: Dik | October 23, 2007 2:50 PM | Report abuse

All the posters in Redskins Insiders do is whine and b!tch and doom and gloom about EVERYTHING the Redskins do. It's annoying after a while. At least here you get to see some 'behind the scenes' stuff of not just the Skins, but all the sports-related personas in the DC area.

well done Steinz!

Posted by: I like The Bog more now | October 23, 2007 01:20 PM

Posted by: From Steinbergs Blog | October 23, 2007 02:28 PM


Yes good "behind the scenes" stuff like Blloyd being a good guy and good at Halo 3? Nice thanks but no thanks. Dudes a tool.

Posted by: Da Truef | October 23, 2007 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Tom Brady gets more trim then me.

Posted by: Chuck Norris | October 23, 2007 2:51 PM | Report abuse

FINISH HIM!

Posted by: Liu Kang | October 23, 2007 2:52 PM | Report abuse

I suck royal elephant penis.

Posted by: Clinton Portis | October 23, 2007 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Brandon Lloyd just guaranteed a victory over the Pats this Sunday on the radio.

Posted by: Darby | October 23, 2007 2:53 PM | Report abuse

GOOD QB, GREAT DEFENSE, GREAT SPECIAL TEAMS, SUB AVERAGE RB= 2ND HALF BREAK DOWN AS A RESULT OF 3AND OUTS. PIECES IN PLACE START BETTS BEFORE IT'S TO LATE.

Posted by: sthai75 | October 23, 2007 2:54 PM | Report abuse

I think he meant he guarenteed that he could give himself a victory pat on the back for stealing 10 mil from Danny.

Posted by: Wayne P. | October 23, 2007 2:54 PM | Report abuse

The second half thing comes down to this. Why are we good in the first half and suck in the second? The coaches need to understand that they are doing something wrong. Key is to let Campbell establish a rhythm in the passing game and maintain that all game long.

Clock management and protecting a lead via running game does not work for the Skins in 2007.

Posted by: AL | October 23, 2007 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Every game is an opportunity to lose.

The Patriots, Cowboys and Tampa seem to be our greatest opportunities looking forward.

(On a brighter note, that would leave us 10-6.)

Posted by: Stumped | October 23, 2007 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Darby,

On what station?

Posted by: Mike H. | October 23, 2007 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Go Wayne! Go Wayne!

Posted by: FlimFlam | October 23, 2007 2:56 PM | Report abuse

I am a master at cock management.

Posted by: Peter North | October 23, 2007 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Every game is an opportunity to lose.
Posted by: Stumped | October 23, 2007 02:55 PM

Spoken like a true Redskins Fan

Posted by: etrod | October 23, 2007 2:58 PM | Report abuse

AL
I hate to bring bad news about your anybody in the NFC can be beat?

We are speaking NFC because of your SB fantasy! There is 1 team in the NFC that after 7 games has not loss to an NFC team and im sure it will send you into a stupid rage but it is what it is!! SORRY

Posted by: Its all good AL | October 23, 2007 2:58 PM | Report abuse

I am the Cock management master.


CLICK CLACK!

Posted by: Steve Spurrier | October 23, 2007 2:58 PM | Report abuse

It is all about getting some consistent play. I was at the game Sunday. Gibbs and Saunders were obviously petrified to let Campbell throw. They didn't even try a rollout or a sprint out.

Let's assume losses to Dallas twice, New England and the Giants. The remaining teams on the schedule on 14-25! The only tough game is against the Bucs in Tampa. Let's say they lose that one too. The Vikings are terrible except for Peterson.

With any improvement on the O-line and our defense 9-7 which is where they should be.

Posted by: RGJ21 | October 23, 2007 2:59 PM | Report abuse

OK let me make sure I got this correct. After going 5-11 last year. The team is one win away from their total of all last year after 6 games. At this point we are above 500. And all most you can do is b****!

Posted by: jm220 | October 23, 2007 3:01 PM | Report abuse

AL,

"Clock management and protecting a lead via running game does not work for the Skins in 2007."

True.

And bad clock management by the coaching staff doesn't help.

Posted by: Stumped | October 23, 2007 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Tom Brady gets a lot of a**.

Posted by: Wilt Chamberlain | October 23, 2007 3:01 PM | Report abuse

I have superior clock management ability.

Posted by: Flava Flav | October 23, 2007 3:02 PM | Report abuse

http://www.postgameheroes.com/?p=1291

Interesting post. Sunday's game matches the #1 Offense in Yards per pass play against the #1 Defense in Yards per pass play.


Posted by: A Fan | October 23, 2007 3:05 PM | Report abuse

We are NOT loosing to Dallas (Mr. 15 Laptops..) Again, the pie was there last Monday and I'm warming up slices for November.

Hope you're hungry, you coward.

Posted by: Dik | October 23, 2007 3:05 PM | Report abuse

REMEMBER THESE DAYS PORTIS! BRING THEM BACK OR BE GONE!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3IRlGF0w7I

Posted by: JEFF | October 23, 2007 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Right on Dik. I love me some pie.

Posted by: Wayne P. | October 23, 2007 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Etrod,
Yes, I adopted the ultra-conservative view for that post to prove a point.

Even with the injuries to the offensive line (its still functioning at an average level), this is a very good football team.

Hey, 10-6 was my kool-aid projection in the Spring.

Posted by: Stumped | October 23, 2007 3:09 PM | Report abuse

What's all this about pie and 15 laptops? You make no sense.

Posted by: Fat Albert | October 23, 2007 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Its All Good .... Said Super Bowl if RT gets back for the playoffs and Santana retuns to 2005 form. Our defense is probably better than Dallas, maybe much better. Our special teams have been pretty good, except that Suisham seems to be missing a few.

If our offense steps up, then we compete well with anyone. Our playmaker needs to get synched up with our QB.

Posted by: AL | October 23, 2007 3:10 PM | Report abuse

YOU FOUND A HIGHLIGHT OF PORTIS MUST BE WHEN HE WAS IN DENVER RIGHT? JUST BE GONE CLINTON BE GONE. LIKE BRUNELL HOPEFULLY.

Posted by: sthai75 | October 23, 2007 3:10 PM | Report abuse

I'm loose, i think you mean lose Dik.

Posted by: Britney Spears | October 23, 2007 3:10 PM | Report abuse

In the first half we come out wanting to win.

In the second half we come out afraid to lose.

F losing...play to win.

Posted by: Stumped | October 23, 2007 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Hey guys,

Don't worry about practice. They are extremely hard fought up here. I even run laps with the team when they fumble. There are also a lot of heroes in practice... a lot of great stories with true American heroes.

I'd also like to note, uh, that we are very prepared to face Tom Brady up there. Last week we faced the heroic Kurt Warner, who was acting as the one-armed man like the dude from the Fugitive. He is the best Quarterback to ever play the game. If you don't believe me, check out the transcript from my presser yesterday.

I'd also like to point out that this week will be the toughest game of our lives. We are the biggest underdog in sports history, even bigger than that time the Sisters of the Blind played the undefeated Dolphins team. Every game is going to be close.

Oh, and no, we don't pay attention to stats like those Jason just posted. I don't see a trend, up there, do you?????

Posted by: Joe Gibbs | October 23, 2007 3:11 PM | Report abuse

There's only one way to bring back the days of portis. And I don't see Bill & Ted walking through that door. I don't see Norman Einstein either.

Posted by: Rick Pitino | October 23, 2007 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Why didn't Tommy Lee Jones arrest the Arizona QB that was on the run in Washington last week?

Posted by: Richard Kimble | October 23, 2007 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Hey Tom, Randy and Coach Bill, wanna go for a boat ride this Friday?

Posted by: Fred "Cap't. Stubing" Smoot | October 23, 2007 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Hey Casey, John, Todd and Marcus.....wanna borrow my machine?

Posted by: Alien Villan from "Stargate" | October 23, 2007 3:16 PM | Report abuse

No, I mean 'loose '- I have a thick South American Accent. Not unlike Al Pacino... wait.. uh ..

Posted by: Dik | October 23, 2007 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Here's to you, Mr. Second Half Adjustment Space Cowboy...

You have blown 12 second half leads in a little over 3 years.... PLEEEEEEASE RETIIIIIRE.

Posted by: Real Men of Genius | October 23, 2007 3:18 PM | Report abuse

I know what you meant by 'loose'.

Posted by: Female Dallas Fan | October 23, 2007 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Say helloh! to maih Witteu fwen!

Posted by: Dik | October 23, 2007 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Jew wanna play rough?

UL-KAI, SAY HALLOW...TO MA LEEL FRUN!!!!!

Posted by: Tony Montana | October 23, 2007 3:26 PM | Report abuse

same old tape JLC. same old tape. and How much do WaPO pays you to this stale stuff?

Posted by: Mak35 | October 23, 2007 3:26 PM | Report abuse

I think coach Gibbs and I wear the same brand of diapers.

Posted by: Joe Paterno | October 23, 2007 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Imagine how Reche Caldwell feels? Dude was freaking inactive this week. He could have signed somewhere else for the same amount of money and been 20 times (wait a minute, 0 catches, inactive last week, so how about infinite times) more productive than he is here. Thanks for lying to another man about his role, Gibbs and company. This reminds me of Duckett, who single-handedly lost millions of dollars and basically his career thanks to the senial leader of this team.

It's almost as sickening as those stats above.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 23, 2007 3:29 PM | Report abuse

From espn.com rankings:
So, do the Redskins have any hope of pulling off the upset in New England this week? Well, if their running game gets going, and the secondary plays its best and ... oh, forget it. No way.
F that.
There's always a chance.

Posted by: nah | October 23, 2007 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Thank God those toothless, jobless, mullet-wearing, inbred, IROC-driving, daughter-humping, whitetrash 'necks can't afford to go to any of MY games.

Posted by: Dan Snyder | October 23, 2007 3:30 PM | Report abuse

If it's true that the 'Skins have zero shot
And New England is going to beat our butts

Why don't we have Talor blitz from the slot
And kick Tom Brady square in the nuts?

Posted by: Wayne P. | October 23, 2007 3:33 PM | Report abuse

I am literally dying laughing at that visual!

Posted by: Wayne P. | October 23, 2007 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Hello everyone. I was going to lurk today, but the comments about Betts being better than Portis, I must throw in my 1.5 cents.

I gotta ask people, how is Betts better than Portis? In what way? Please don't point to Betts running for 1k last year. Betts was a product of the system. The O-line was the only bright spot last year (Oh how I long for a healthy offensive line again) so Betts racking up 1,000+ shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. Portis has looked a little different than years past. On Sunday I saw something that made me come to the realization that Portis is either not healthy or he has lost a step. When Portis use to turn the corner, the opposing defense was in trouble. Now, Portis is being caught by linebackers? Sad, very sad. I think its half of getting into "game shape", the other half is him not being 95% healthy. (In football no one is never 100%) It disturbs me to hear people bashing Clinton. While maybe sometimes comming off a little out-of-touch, he still is one of the cornerstones of this team.

Like it or not.

Posted by: SkinsRealist | October 23, 2007 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Joe Pa,

You bring up a great point. Maybe we should spike Gibby's prune juice with a laxative so he has to sprint off the field in the 2nd half with diarehha like you did...

If that doesn't work, I guess we could always try a toss sweep to his sideline to knock the guy out of commission for a few weeks... you've been there, right?

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | October 23, 2007 3:39 PM | Report abuse

cry cry cry. this is the saddest i could be my team is 4-2 and has a great chance to prove they are worth something this week against the best team at thier own stadium. This game is perfect worst that can happen is they lose liek they are supposed to. best that can happen is the win and PARALIZE the cowboys with fear. its a win win so lets all go cry about how bad the team is. 4-2 and all there is is crying its amazing, if they were 6-0 it would still be crying. The mark of the redskins was always thier amazing supportive fans, if anyone was to read this blog there would be no way to tell that these "fans" aren't the philly trash that boo the same poeple that got them to the only good things they have ever done. lets trash on joe gibbs somemore then we can go look at the 3 trophies sitting in the park that he got us. lets all trash portis some more becaues he carried the ball 75,000 times to get us to the second round of the playoffs in about a decade. cry cry cry cry cry it can't get any worse than this!

Posted by: Anonymous | October 23, 2007 3:40 PM | Report abuse

This is Jason La Cantreporta's M.O people. The guy absolutely loves to highlight the negatives of the Redskins while completely disregarding the positives. For instance, how many times have you read this idiot's articles breaking down Gibbs' second tenure by removing the 6 game win streak at the end of 05? He loves to take out the positive stats from the equation, makes the team look worse...which, of course, is his intention.

For instance, how many times so far this year has La Cantreporta taken the season opener's rushing stats out of the equation? When he says "in the last 4 games...etc" what he is trying to do is take the 200+ yards the Skins earned on the ground vs Miami out of the equation, so our rushing stats will look worse.

He has been doing this for years now at the Post. And it's time for him to go to some other town and go to some other paper and misreport on some other team. FIRE THE IDIOT REPORTER.

Posted by: FIRE LA CANFORA | October 23, 2007 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Yo, 12 Laptops - you retire already!

(ZING!)

Posted by: Dik | October 23, 2007 3:42 PM | Report abuse

His best days are OVER he is like 26! he might as well be dead! i mean he fumbled 2 times! lets forget that he never ever ever ever fumbles he did it 2 times! i mean its not like he is the all time team leader single season! he is like 1 milion years old and he fumbled! forget trading or cutting him lets shoot him! i mean he has never done one thing for the team! he never crushes linebackers that come in full speed completly unblocked by our trash middle of the line! he never takes them on head to head and wins! he neevr puts his body on the line! he never mkaes takles from behind on interceptions that woudl have surely been touchdowns! he never carries the ball over and over again with no blocking.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 23, 2007 3:46 PM | Report abuse

I know you all know where the term "Swingin Souls" came from don't you?

Posted by: Joe Jackson Gibbs | October 23, 2007 3:46 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins are coming off a WIN...it's only Tuesday...and everybody is wound up so tight. Relax! Long week ahead of us. And enough of the Gibbs/Jasno/Snyder bashing. It's really old.

Posted by: Anon 3:47 | October 23, 2007 3:47 PM | Report abuse

The Betts vs. Portis debate continues...

I think that Portis is the better all around player and RB, but that Betts is a better RB for a Gibbs team, if that makes sense.

What doesn't make sense to me is how we overspend for players who don't really fit into this system. If you're going to make a 50 mill investment, shouldn't you gear your offense towards that investment? Or how about Arch last year? We certainly didn't help that guy out, did we? We set him up to lose, which was asanine.

Or why do you go out and get 3-4 30/10 mill WR's on a run-oriented team? Is a 10 mill WR as your 5th option a real smart decision????

These decisions will continue to boggle my mind forever.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | October 23, 2007 3:48 PM | Report abuse

"A Good Man is Hard to Find" -- Sufjan Stevens.

Excellent work, Senor LaCantreporta. This really tells the story. The running game has noticeably deteriorated as the line has taken injuries. It is a lockstep correlation. We need Rabach back (try to say that five times fast).

Posted by: Anonymous | October 23, 2007 3:50 PM | Report abuse

You people need a little motivation. You need to put a positive spin on all this unwarranted backlash. Just 'cause your Redskins aren't blowing people away like NE or Indy or even the Cowpokes, it's not quite time to move into a VANNNN DOWWNNNNN BYYY THE RIVEEERRRRRR!

Posted by: Matt Foley | October 23, 2007 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Seriously....if we were to miraculously beat the Patriots, some of you would still find something to complain about.

Posted by: Lisa | October 23, 2007 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Not to be funny, heaven knows I'm not the best at getting my point across, but does anyone know what the 3:46 post is talking about?

On second thought, it may have been some sarcasm in those words, lol.

Posted by: SkinsRealist | October 23, 2007 3:54 PM | Report abuse

guh blah guh gab blah gab

How do you face yourself in the mirror?

Thanks for chasin' off any semblance of a decent time on this blog, dude.

Does it provide some kinda joy, at least? I mean, not as much as when you're imagining intimacy w/ another human being - which, btw, is never going to happen - but at least our annoyance would have some purpose.

Go eat some bad cereal - then you can further debate w/ the voices in your head.

Y'kno - just a couple months ago this was a really nice blog. Then you showed up. Like everything you touch in your life, it's now crap.

Hope you're proud, dude. WTG! You're Aces! You're the best... around.. na na na na naaa na na na naaa... ugh.

Posted by: Dik | October 23, 2007 3:57 PM | Report abuse

If, "we were to miraculously beat the Patriots", I would print and sell "The Swingin' Souls Beat the Patriots" t-shirts and create a new ride at Six Flags. Mo' money!!!

The Danny

Posted by: The DANNY | October 23, 2007 3:57 PM | Report abuse

If we go to the SB and lose I'll start rooting for the Sesquatchewan Beaverwillies....

Posted by: POOP | October 23, 2007 3:58 PM | Report abuse

"Swingin' Souls" is a euphamism for a more sexually explicit term that I believe came out of the military. Initially, men in the field were referred to as "Swingin' Di*ks". Clearly, coach Joe won't use such offensive terms when speaking to the media so he edited it to "Swingin' Souls" as in, "We need every swingin' soul out here to contribute if we are going to win."


Any other questions?

Posted by: Wayne P. | October 23, 2007 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Any other questions?

yes, where did all the regulars go? this place blows.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 23, 2007 4:00 PM | Report abuse

to my understanding, he never uses those offensive words. I'm not around the guy ever - but they say he don't curse. ever.

It's eeeeery!

Posted by: Dik | October 23, 2007 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully to the bar. I am heading out of this popstand.

Posted by: Wayne P. | October 23, 2007 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Wayne P. --- How much average rainfall does the Amazon Basin receive in a non-leapyear full calendar year?

Posted by: POOP | October 23, 2007 4:01 PM | Report abuse

thank goodness

Posted by: Anonymous | October 23, 2007 4:02 PM | Report abuse

I've heard him use "swingin' guy" but that probably stopped around the time Austin Powers was created so as not to act as if he were recruiting him or something baby.

Posted by: Wayne P. | October 23, 2007 4:02 PM | Report abuse

I think most fans are just upset with the way the team has performed the last 13-15 years. Don't doubt the loyalty of fans, understand most of these people are growing tired of the loosing. I understand the team is 4-2, but channel WRC-4 took a poll yesterday, questioning if the Skins were better than the record. Sixty-seven percent of the fans said NO. I think most fans are in touch with reality and those are the fans that you hear complaints from.
Even in RI from week to week, I hear fans one minute supporting the Skins to the fullest and as you guys say, drink the kool aid(e). Then when the team damn near has a second half collapse or completley tanks the game, people are complaining about the play calling or how the game has passed Gibbs by. I understand and respect both arguments, but I have to side with the change-of-the-weather type fans. BTW...

I am still burgundy and gold.

Posted by: SkinsRealist | October 23, 2007 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Pats are better than the rest of the league at the moment (with the possible exception of Colts), but on any given Sunday.... so Skins will play hard regardless of their chances to win on the road. Having said that, I would not fault them for resting the banged up players and letting them heal for the next game. Did anyone notice that the Giants are playing Pats on the last day of the season? We should hope that Pats will either still be in the running for that perfect 16-0 record or at least be so close to Colts that the game against Giants would matter.

Posted by: M | October 23, 2007 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Betts vs Portis is the wrong discussion. The right discussion is how to use these guys. Its bring Betts and Portis into the passing game. Both are good open field. Running up the middle might beat Miami, but not anyone good. Use Portis or Betts to spread the defense. Have Campbell throwing to the backs 10 times a game. Not slow developing screens which most defenses defend well, but patterns, both short and deep. Sellers can catch as well. Thats what our backs can do effectively.

Posted by: AL | October 23, 2007 4:05 PM | Report abuse

The regs banded together and found a different place to express our views. For those left behind...sorry.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 23, 2007 4:06 PM | Report abuse

You're not going to chase us off, dumbSJK - you're just making it annoying.

Seriously, what do you get out of it?

Posted by: Dik | October 23, 2007 4:08 PM | Report abuse

The regs banded together and found a different place to express our views. For those left behind...sorry.

Posted by: | October 23, 2007 04:06 PM


is that the toolbox secret society?

Posted by: Anonymous | October 23, 2007 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Nah, it's your mom's house.

Posted by: Dik | October 23, 2007 4:13 PM | Report abuse

I hope the regulars have moved over to the Redskins.com forums. They can check out and purchase the overpriced Redskins merchandise.

Mo' Money!

The DANNY

Posted by: The DANNY | October 23, 2007 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Someone asked if it was better playing the Pats with this years squad compared to last years. Can you imagine Mike Rumph and Kenny Wright trying to cover these guys? They'd score 80.

Reche Caldwell lied to about his role? Come on now. Maybe the guy just sucks, wouldn't be the first time a WR from Florida did. See his multiple drops in the AFC champ game last year as proof.

The thing I can not figure out with our offense is if the run is struggling so much then try to use the pass to set up the run. Spread the defense out may give easier angles for the OL to get some blocks and make some creases for Portis and/or Betts to get through. The coaching staff admitting they went conservative because the D was playing so well is gutless and should have cost us the game. Luckily it did not.

Posted by: cdubb | October 23, 2007 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Fans here know the Skins are 4-2. But why not think big? Why be one of the middle of the pack teams? Whats keeping us from competing at a high level? And most Skins fans realize that we are not that far from making the jump.

A lot has changed from last year ...

We have a new young QB who has shown a lot of promise for someone so young. With a strong arm, mobility and poise among other traits.
ARE is looking like a good #2 WR, something that was missing before

Andre Carter is becoming a real deal rusher.
Cornelius Griffin is healthy and playing great
Fletcher is a stud in the middle of the d
McIntosh is looking very good for his first full time season
Sean Taylor is again making plays
Shawn Springs is healthy, Proileau is healthy, Smoot provides depth and all the DBs are playing much better than in '06

Special teams are making plays, and relatively few mistakes.

But clearly our running game has regressed, our o-line is hurting and our playmaking WR is having a disasterous season. And we don't seem to have a killer instinct -- which a lot of people say is on the coaches. We are not putting away teams away when we have the lead. Which fans know is a bad thing. Because it will come back to bite you.


Posted by: AL | October 23, 2007 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Skinz | October 23, 2007 4:22 PM | Report abuse

They've been playing that way the whole season - it's not a surprise tactic. And so far it's been mostly successful.

Let's smack Tom Brady in the mouth!

Posted by: Dik | October 23, 2007 4:25 PM | Report abuse

i know everyone is hating on the bench CP idea but when the run game is what it is right now i think they should fire up betts and get him going as the started just to see if he can get more positive yardage. I know i dont like it either just cause CP has had some big plays for us in the past but its just not happening now. Dare i compare it to the sitting on mark brunell for more than half the season before making a move that should have happened sooner?

Posted by: peter | October 23, 2007 4:27 PM | Report abuse

I'm done with this blog. It is getting ridiculously juvenile and sounds like there are a bunch of 12 year olds on here now.

Posted by: TC | October 23, 2007 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Daaang - less than half the season in the bag and they're ALREADY talking about us for the playoffs.

NO ONE predicted that -'cept Good 'Ol Charlie Casserly... and ThRedSkins, of 'course!

Hail RI!

Posted by: Dik | October 23, 2007 4:29 PM | Report abuse

reg roll call?

Posted by: Anonymous | October 23, 2007 4:45 PM | Report abuse

reg roll call?

Posted by: | October 23, 2007 04:45 PM

I am still here El Guapo!

Posted by: Miguel | October 23, 2007 4:57 PM | Report abuse

I'm done with this blog. It is getting ridiculously juvenile and sounds like there are a bunch of 12 year olds on here now.

Posted by: TC | October 23, 2007 04:28 PM


Yeah you better leave Mr 8 year old

Posted by: The 12 Year Old | October 23, 2007 4:59 PM | Report abuse

No one told me about an alternate site and I think I'd know. You see, I'm kind of a big deal.

Posted by: Ron Burgandy | October 23, 2007 5:04 PM | Report abuse

No Peter, you dare not. The difference between Portis/Betts and Brunell/Campbell or Brunell/Ramsey is that with Brunell you could SEE with your EYES that Brunell had lost it and that Campbell (and, in 04 and 05, Ramsey) had more life in their arms and gave us a better chance to win.

With Portis and Betts, you can SEE with your EYES that Portis hits the hole faster and does a better job making people miss and breaking tackles than Betts. Betts has had some opportunities, especially in the early games, and has not done as well as Portis.

Its the O-line people...its the o-line...its the o-line...

Posted by: Mike H. | October 23, 2007 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Redskins at Patriots
This game will go a long way toward determining whether the Washington Redskins can be considered a Super Bowl-caliber team. The Patriots have been on an unheard-of roll through the first seven weeks of the season and are averaging 39.9 points per game, but the Redskins rank third in the NFL in scoring defense at 14.7 points per game. This is about as close as we are going to get to an irresistible force (Patriots) going against an immovable object (Redskins). Something has to give in this one.

Via ESPN

Posted by: Skinz | October 23, 2007 5:06 PM | Report abuse

http://www.nfl.com/news/story;jsessionid=63501E564CF3B4CF01A0FA75C41D892E?id=09000d5d8038c0ec&template=without-video&confirm=true

Interesting - he has 7 NFC teams in the top 12 and only 5 AFC teams. That supports my theory, that the AFC has 2 elite teams, another three very good teams, and a bunch of crap, while the NFC has no elite teams, a 2 or 3 very good teams, a bunch of average teams, and only about 2 crappy teams. Its parity baby!

Posted by: Mike H. | October 23, 2007 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Still 12-4

Posted by: not 4-12 | October 23, 2007 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Skinz - That came from ESPN? Can you link it?

Posted by: Mike H. | October 23, 2007 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Sean Taylor still stinks.

Posted by: not etrod | October 23, 2007 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Skinz | October 23, 2007 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Still fat and out of shape.

Posted by: not jm220 | October 23, 2007 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Still singing Hail To The Redskins!

Posted by: not SMACK | October 23, 2007 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Hey 'Skins fans, how would you guys like if I buyed the team?

Posted by: Peter Angelos | October 23, 2007 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Still sipping my non-alcoholic appletini.

Posted by: not Kost52 | October 23, 2007 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Still hate living in such a boring place, with my exciting wife and children.

Posted by: not P Diddy | October 23, 2007 5:19 PM | Report abuse

The Dolphins still have the Patriots right where they want 'em!

Posted by: not Redcoat | October 23, 2007 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Still taking money from sapps and suckers.

Posted by: The Danny | October 23, 2007 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Still singing Hail To The Redskins with not SMACK!

Posted by: not Eagles Fan Adam | October 23, 2007 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Still aggravated by all the F bombs dropped here. Show some respect people.

Posted by: not cHris LArry | October 23, 2007 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Still playing well with others.

Posted by: Not Skinz | October 23, 2007 5:23 PM | Report abuse

I told you that Priest Holmes was finished!

Posted by: not Periculum | October 23, 2007 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Still calm, cool, and collected.

Posted by: not Jack | October 23, 2007 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Still a chick that lives in Montgomery Village.

Posted by: not MV Dame | October 23, 2007 5:26 PM | Report abuse

My patience is running thin.

Posted by: Not the not guy | October 23, 2007 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Still loving the Disney classics.

Posted by: not Bangbros | October 23, 2007 5:29 PM | Report abuse

You would think that the highest paid coaching staff in NFL history would notice that JC has a hard time throwing to the little guys on those 7-15 yard routes....we need to make sure our 2nd-4th round picks are maybe used on a tall WR....give Cambell some bigger targets for god's sake.

And why did the D deviate from the let the Reaper play deep center field strategy, to letting L2 take the deep zones and let Taylor play closer to the line?...was Taylor maning up on Boldin or Fitz?

I think everyone agrees the 1st rounder needs to be O-lineman.....Tackle first...Guard 2nd

HAIL!!!!

ps. if the regulars are gone then good...they were too goody goody gumdrops for me...a little too P.C. and uptight

Posted by: skinnyntenny | October 23, 2007 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Still keeping money from Vinnie, thus the reason he left the shop/show of OCC.

Posted by: Paul Tuttle Sr. | October 23, 2007 5:32 PM | Report abuse

skinny,

the coaches are looking for the possession receiver (Caldwell, McCardell), try and keep up.

i expect that it would be one of the regulars that might discuss the Sean Taylor and LL formation, but they're all gone.

good thing.

Posted by: one of the regulars | October 23, 2007 5:35 PM | Report abuse

hey Mike, Point well taken, O line is Def. suspect, and im not saying that betts is a better RB, all im trying to say is when you got something thats not working why stick with it. Betts may do worse for all we know but you dont know till you give the guy a chance. All i do know is were not gonna win to many games if they stick to the current game plan. Personally I'd like to see them air it out, I think jason campbells got a gift and he's not being allowed to use it. But this is Gibbs were talking about so its gonna be run run and more run so why not mix up who were running to see if we get any better yardage?

Posted by: peter | October 23, 2007 5:39 PM | Report abuse

For what it is worth here is my take on how this team can win. Gibbs 1.0 used the long pass (remember Rypien?}. Saunders seems to be very tentative to having a wide open passing game. The long pass does a lot of neat things for our offence: it lets Santana Moss be Santana Moss (no reverses please). It gives us a chance to get great chunks of yardage that our running game is not capable of getting now. It gets the safeties out of the "box" so a draw or screen play has a prayer. It opens up circle routes to running backs or H backs. We have a strong armed QB, so why not go to his strength?
Yeah, it is true that our O line needs to buy the time to do this buy keep Portis in the backfield to block. Let them come with blitzes, we have a mobile qb, let him roll out, expand the field. Even an interception 40 yards downfield is better field position for our defence to work from. Maybe I am just tired of seeing Gibbs playing scared, this is not the way that I used to remember him. If you dont have Riggins and the Hogs then you have to go plan B, Santana Moss and Randel El. If they cant run or catch, then put the next two in that can run fly patterns til they hurt!

Posted by: Dale | October 23, 2007 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Jason,

Can you give us some info on how the Skins D is going to match up with the Pats offense this weekend. I figure they continue the rush 4 strategy they have been using the past couple of weeks so as to allow for more D backs.

A couple questions:

Which corner matches up with Moss (Springs?) and who with Stallworth (Rogers or Smoot?)?

We have been hearing about Rocky's quickness all year, can he match up with Stallworth in the slot or will we need to go nickel so a corner can guard him?

How is Daniels health going into this week as we will need him big on the Line?

Can we expect less of Landry on the line because of deep threats on both sides of the field?

How intimidated is Radny Moss of Sean Taylor and will we see his gator arms this week?

Posted by: matchups | October 23, 2007 5:47 PM | Report abuse

sorry i meant welker in the slot not Stallworth, So can Rocky matchup with welker?

Posted by: matchup | October 23, 2007 5:49 PM | Report abuse

To me -- the numbers indicate the effect of injuries to the offensive line and receivers. Those injuries tended to occur in the first half. They became more severe after the loss of Randy Thomas and injuries to Wade and Rabach. Plus Moss and Randle El both have leg (hamstring or groin) injuries.

I believe the injuries directly resulted in inconsistency and conservative play calling in the second half. Defenses could adjust in the second half to attack the weakness in the line and concentrate on stopping the run.

I think the Redskins have to open up the offense and start using more three or four wide receiver sets with quick passes and screens to alleviate the pressure on the line.

Posted by: siris | October 23, 2007 5:58 PM | Report abuse

RE: The Tone of The Blog

Yes, we do have to keep reminding ourselves that we are 4-2. When was the last time that things started this well? However, so many times, we have seen what looks like a team with all the parts just fall apart like a cheap watch, that, I think, we are trying to keep our expectations realistic.

It's hard being a 'Skins fan. I remember moving to D.C. as a 3rd grader and wondering just why everyone's Dad was inside on Sunday afternoon at 1:00. No one cared that much about the home team where I was from. It's born and bred into you in the D.C. area.

I've come back to visit many times during my long exile in Texas. My friends all have "Redskins Rooms" - Burgandy and gold color scheme, 'Skins souveniers on all the walls, even a "Skins fridge! Home chapels where they pray to the angels of Sunday to deliver just one more Super Bowl.

That being said, please excuse us for being a little on the glass half empty side. We've been through Norv, Marty, the 'Ol Ball Coach and now Gibbs II with nothing to show for now going on 15 years. We can only hope that this bunch can show a little more consistency then any of the former groups and make us proud.

Posted by: John D in Houston | October 23, 2007 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Why do people post entire articles here?

Look mom, I can cut and paste!

Posted by: Wayne P. | October 23, 2007 01:17 PM

Save the Earth in Six Hard Questions
What Al Gore doesn't understand about climate change.
By Steven E. Landsburg

Barring a last-minute intervention by the Supreme Court, the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize will be shared by Albert Gore Jr. Admittedly, Gore has been less of a menace to world peace than some previous laureates (think Henry Kissinger). But there is nothing particularly peaceable about Gore's rhetorical approach to climate policy. At his most pugnacious, Gore has depicted the fundamental trade-off as one between environmental responsibility and personal greed. Of course, as everyone over the age of 12 is perfectly aware, the real trade-off is between the quality of our own lives and the quality of our descendants'.

In other words, climate policy is almost entirely about you and me making sacrifices for the benefit of future generations. To contribute usefully to the debate, you've got to think hard about the appropriate level of sacrifice. That in turn requires you to think hard about roughly half a dozen underlying issues.

1. How much does human activity affect the climate? This is actually a whole menu of questions: What can we expect given the current level of carbon emissions? What if we cut those emissions by half? By two-thirds? And so on. These are questions for physical scientists, not economists or politicians.

2. How much harm (or good!) is likely to come from that climate change? This is partly a matter of physical science and partly a matter of economics. If the world temperature rises 3 degrees, agronomists try to predict the wheat yield in Oklahoma; economists try to predict when Oklahomans will turn to alternate ventures--and when it will become profitable to grow wheat in Alaska. Climatologists estimate what it takes to put New York underwater; economists estimate the cost of moving New York inland.

3. How much do we--or should we--care about future generations? Edmund Phelps, the 2006 Nobel laureate for economics, argued long ago that you (and I) should care exactly as much about a stranger born 1,000 years hence as we do about a stranger who's alive today. Phelps' view has been highly influential among economists, who now take it as more or less the default position. But even economists are sometimes wrong, and there are powerful arguments for "discounting" the welfare of future generations. First, many people (myself excluded, however) believe we should care more about our countrymen than about a bunch of foreigners--hence the sentiment for a border fence. If we are allowed to care less about people who happen to be born in the wrong country, why can't we care less about people who happen to be born in the wrong century? And second: Few of us feel morally bound to churn out as many children as we possibly can, which means we think nothing of denying future generations the gift of life. If it's OK to deny them their very lives, shouldn't it be OK to deny them a temperate climate?

There is a ton more to be said in response and counter-response, but in the end, you've got to take a stand. Does the next generation count 100 percent as much as our own, as Edmund Phelps demands? Or 99 percent? 95 percent? 90 percent? I'll show you later how much the answer matters.

4. How likely are those future generations to be around, anyway? If you think life on Earth will be destroyed by an asteroid in 200 years, it makes little sense to worry about the climate 300 years from now. (Of course, the issue is complicated by the fact that our climate policies change the survival odds.)

5. Just how rich are those future generations likely to be? If you expect economic growth to continue at the average annual rate of 2.3 percent, to which we've grown accustomed, then in 400 years, the average American will have an income of more than $1 million per day--and that's in the equivalent of today's dollars (i.e., after correcting for inflation). Does it really make sense for you and me to sacrifice for the benefit of those future gazillionaires?

6. How risk-averse are we? This matters not just because of uncertainty about the effects of climate change but because it affects the way future generations want us to behave. Imagine yourself as a disembodied soul, waiting in line to be born--possibly next year, possibly 100 years hence. If you have little tolerance for risk, you'll want us to pursue policies that make life about equally good at all times; if you're willing to roll the dice, you might prefer a policy that allows some generations to live riotously at the expense of others.

Only after you've addressed each question in turn can you say something sensible about climate policy. To carry out that program in detail would indeed be a Nobel-worthy achievement. I don't propose to earn my Nobel Prize in this column space, but I can at least offer a quick back-of-the-envelope calculation to show you how this stuff works.

First, I'll make the extreme assumption that our environmental recklessness threatens to shave 1 percentage point off economic growth forever. Because of compounding, our disposable incomes will be reduced by 9.5 percent a decade from now and by 63 percent a century from now--perhaps because we'll spend 63 percent of our incomes relocating coastal cities. Now toss in some standard (but arguable) assumptions about risk aversion and discounting. (Note to econogeeks: I assumed a risk-aversion coefficient of 1, and I discounted future generations' welfare at an annual rate of 5 percent, partly because we might care less about them and partly because we're not sure they'll exist.) Run this through your calculator, and you'll find we should spend up to about 17 percent of our incomes on climate control--provided that our investment is effective. That's an expenditure level that I expect would satisfy Al Gore.

Change the numerical assumptions, and you'll change the numerical conclusion. Make the discount rate 1 percent instead of 5 percent, and you can justify spending up to a whopping 62 percent of our incomes on climate control; lower the discount rate to 10 percent, and you can't justify spending more than 8 percent of our incomes.

The moral of that story is not that economists can justify anything; it's that assumptions really matter. Therefore you need to be clear about your assumptions, and you need to be prepared to justify them. If you're not talking about discount rates and levels of risk aversion, you're blathering.

The most thoughtful assessment of climate change is the Stern Review, prepared in October 2006 at the behest of the British government. The Stern Review reaches conclusions generally compatible with Al Gore's worldview, but only after laying out the underlying assumptions so clearly that skeptics like me can tinker around with them and see how the conclusions change. In other words, they've taken a hot-button issue and reduced it to its constituent pieces so that opposing parties can stop yelling at each other and say, "Let us calculate." That's what I call a contribution to world peace. I wish the Nobel Committee had agreed.

Posted by: Mommy's little boy | October 23, 2007 6:17 PM | Report abuse

F Mommy's little boy.

Posted by: This Just In..... | October 23, 2007 6:22 PM | Report abuse

F This Just In.....

Posted by: This now just in | October 23, 2007 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Nothing I can do to help here. This blog is DOA.

Posted by: Blog Life Support | October 23, 2007 6:30 PM | Report abuse

While that climate change article was long and out of place, I cannot advocate F'ing Mommy's Little Boy. That just seems wrong.

Posted by: Cindy's boy toy | October 23, 2007 6:32 PM | Report abuse

I will enjoy the win this week.

Posted by: Cindy's boy toy | October 21, 2007 06:05 PM

Still enjoying the win. You guys should try it.

Posted by: Cindy's boy toy | October 23, 2007 6:37 PM | Report abuse

skinny,

the coaches are looking for the possession receiver (Caldwell, McCardell), try and keep up

der de der....no shyte man...but somehow, the Pats throw off starting reciever from last year and a 13+ year vet who has come full circle after a great career to the team that originally drafted him dont seem like long term answers to me.....and im not talking about "possesion recievers" ...i want tall, fast mfs who can jump. this next gen smurf thing we got going with ARE and moss.....just not working this time around...

Posted by: skinnyntenny | October 23, 2007 6:37 PM | Report abuse

As long as our defense if healthy and playing like it is...we have a chance.

Posted by: sicwidit | October 23, 2007 6:38 PM | Report abuse

I wish Clinton Portis would shut the FJK up!!! I want to like him, but he's an azz!

Posted by: sicwidit | October 23, 2007 6:40 PM | Report abuse

"Mommy's little boy" is obviously a euphemism for a little man in a boat.

Posted by: not Gore, Albert in a can | October 23, 2007 6:40 PM | Report abuse

I'm a lifelong Skins fan and if they beat the Patriots I will do the following:

1) Actually buy something at Fed Ex field.
2) give my real name and phone number to any blogger with anything negative to say so I can cuss' them out.
3) Go to the movies with my wife during the Jets game.

Posted by: sicwidit | October 23, 2007 6:45 PM | Report abuse

I'm on pace for 2 catches for 18 yards this season! Who da man?

Posted by: Brandon Lloyd | October 23, 2007 6:45 PM | Report abuse

As far as Portis and Betts go.....someone said it earlier that Betts should start....with Portis the change up and i agree...Im not saying Portis isnt a tough player. He has heart and plays banged up....but hes just not as strong a runner right now...he looks light on his feet...kinda waify.....and u cant expect Betts to come in every 20 plays or so and run effectively. Betts is the type of guy that gets stronger as u go. But ultimately, i agree with the fact that we wouldnt be talking about this if Jansen, Thomas, Rabach and others never got injured.

Posted by: skinnyntenny | October 23, 2007 6:52 PM | Report abuse

sicwidit,

What did Portis say to tick you off?

Posted by: JustMe | October 23, 2007 6:55 PM | Report abuse

He talked about how the offense does not practice well and does not look as crisp as the defense...He didn't practice in the preseason!!! I still want him on my team, but please shut up!!!

Posted by: sicwidit | October 23, 2007 7:03 PM | Report abuse

fyi- RAMS RELEASED *STARTING* OFFENSIVE GUARD!!!!!!!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21437186/

Sure, he's a wife-beating P.O.S., but he's a yougn starter and we need some depth.

Thoughts?

Posted by: TDawg | October 23, 2007 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Well sicwidit,

Whether he practiced in the preseason or not, do you see any evidence that he's not telling the truth? Frankly, when I heard he'd said that, it made perfect sense to me as I'd made a post here a week or so ago about how I believed the offensive players (not all, but generally speaking) are undisciplined.

If they were doing things in practice in a crisp, disciplined fashion, how would they turn into error prone turnover machines on game day?

I'm not mad at him for saying that. As a matter of fact, I appreciate the fact that he won't lie about how he perceives things.

That said, I'm sure that he wasn't trying to say that his teammates on the offense don't work hard. I truly believe they do. But, the time comes when you can't work any harder, but must work *smarter*. And, in most instances, that doesn't happen until an authority figure is very demanding and doesn't settle for anything less than success. If they're allowed to get away with failure in practice, they'll continue to do it in games and will never maximize their potential.

Posted by: JustMe | October 23, 2007 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Basically it seems like Gibbs has Saunders second guessing himself - he wants to play the game his way and call his plays but he keeps hearing that other voice...run more, play conservatively, give us no chance of winning

Posted by: qwerty | October 23, 2007 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Okay, the game is on Sunday, so let's make sure we all know our usual responsibilities.

4th, you keep feeding me old information.
P. Diddy, I need you to continue not living up to your resume.
Nate, you're in charge of waffling.
jm220, you'll talk a big game, then do nothing.
kost, can you fold under pressure for me?
Ricky Bobby, you just keep thinking everyone's out to get you.

I'll be on my bye week, where I won't have to worry about interceptions, defensive breakdown, or the sjking Patriots.

Posted by: SMACK | October 23, 2007 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Portis was right when he made his practice comments - he doesn't do dick in practice and doesn't do dick during the game.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 23, 2007 7:34 PM | Report abuse

TDawg, Terrel was a starting O-Lineman for the RAMS. Nuff said.

Posted by: Alex in LA | October 23, 2007 7:52 PM | Report abuse

dont think we need any Rams lineman starter or not. their line is horrendous and has taken multiple seasons off of Bulgers career with the constant beatings he is taking. maybe that is why dude beat his wife, couldnt anyone on the field.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 23, 2007 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Maybe it's the margarita talking, but I'm not scared of the SJKing Pats. I'm not nervous about this game at all. (TANGENT: Please Nate, don't remind me that I said that before the Green Bay game. I did say it, and I felt that until the impending sense of doom came the day before that game. You know when I felt the doom? When I was headed out the door that Saturday to run to the store. I put my Redskins jacket on and the zipper broke as I was closing it. Does that happen to anyone else? I can almost always tell when they're gonna lose a game they probably shouldn't because something will happen to my Redskins stuff. Last season, the flags would generally find some way to fall or fly off of my car, so I don't fly them anymore. This season, I've had the incident w/ my jacket and a couple of days before the Gnats game, the strap on one of my crocs broke for no apparent reason. Go figure.)

Anyway, I'm not scared. I can only hope the players are looking forward to the challenge as well. I think our (un)safetys will be licking their chops (and, chopping their licks -- as Buges would say) to get at the Pats receivers since no one but Favre has had the guts to test him/them, and we see how well that turned out.

I'm really looking forward to seeing if Marcus Washington and Andre Carter can crush Tom Terrific enough times to throw his game off. He doesn't like to be hit, and I like nothing better than to see him hit.

And, I'm looking forward to seeing a more wide open offense because if St. Joe is smart (and, I believe he is), he will defer to Weird Al for this game and let them attack, attack, and attack some more, for better or worse. Against the Pats, it won't matter if the D is able to hold down their usual points total if our offense doesn't put up more than they have all season, but I think they can.

I may be delusional, but this is how I feel right now. I'll let you know Sunday morning if I've had any equipment malfunctions. LOL

Posted by: JustMe | October 23, 2007 8:04 PM | Report abuse

do any qbs like to get hit?

Posted by: Anonymous | October 23, 2007 8:10 PM | Report abuse

LMGO, Just Me.

I'm conflicted.
I want to hear more about your equipment malfunctions. But I don't want the team to lose.

Posted by: Stumped | October 23, 2007 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Of course not. But, some QBs experience it more than others, so they deal with it a little easier than others. Tom Brady is so well protected, he behaves as if it's something that isn't supposed to happen when he gets smacked around a bit.

Posted by: JustMe | October 23, 2007 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Actually I think some quarterbacks play better after getting popped a few times. Brett Favre comes to mind, and of course, Roger.

Posted by: SMACK | October 23, 2007 8:20 PM | Report abuse

I don't know how you measure how qbs deal with getting hit but I like your lust for mayhem.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 23, 2007 8:22 PM | Report abuse

I'd say it's on a sliding scale with 10 being Favre and 1 being Trent Green.

Posted by: SMACK | October 23, 2007 8:26 PM | Report abuse

wouldn't that be just a scale not a sliding scale?

Posted by: Anonymous | October 23, 2007 8:29 PM | Report abuse

I think so too, SMACK. But, I haven't seen any evidence that Tom Brady is one of those QBs. Of course, he doesn't get popped really good often enough to put it to the test. But, to me, he behaves as if he's entitled to be upright for all of each game. It's one of the things that annoys me most about him.

I don't want him maimed for the season or anything. But, I just want to see him punished. Just a lil' bit. Is that too much to hope for?

Posted by: JustMe | October 23, 2007 8:29 PM | Report abuse

It made me madder than a sliding wet hen when the Cowboys eased up on him when they thought he had thrown it already. That was our chance to lay him out.

Posted by: SMACK | October 23, 2007 8:35 PM | Report abuse

SMACK,
I noticed that the point differential between the Patriots-Miami and Patriots-Cowboys games was the same.

If we can't win it, maybe we can lose with a lower case l.

Posted by: Stumped | October 23, 2007 8:35 PM | Report abuse

I think it will be close, Stumped. Pats are long overdue for an off game or an injury, and I just see everything coming together for the Skins. If this game were a slot machine, I would play max credits.

Posted by: SMACK | October 23, 2007 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Mac | October 23, 2007 8:48 PM | Report abuse

SMACK, Fold under pressure? No can do buddy, I am C-L-U-T-C-H!

Posted by: kost52 | October 23, 2007 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Ha, kost, I put you in there with a nod to our EPL match. Who are you going to sell RVP for?

Posted by: SMACK | October 23, 2007 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Mac, that was funny as @#$%. Thanks, I got a lotta laughs out of it. That guy Colin Mochrie is really good. I love deadpan humor, and it's really funny and sad how accurate it is.

Posted by: SMACK | October 23, 2007 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Not sure yet, I didn't even know he was injured! I was 2 players short against Bangkokben, it was lucky that I had 2 defenders score goals for me!

What's wrong with him, how long is he out?

Posted by: kost52 | October 23, 2007 9:37 PM | Report abuse

The o-line is the problem, everything starts there. Go back and check out the game tape (wish I had the all-22). They were getting pushed back all day, Pucillo was more than overmatched, Fabini continues to perform horribly in the run game, etc. The Skins did not sustain drives. Everyone hates the running, but just about every third down they had was manageable. Look at the play-by-play. 3rd and 4 is not a bad position, you need to get those. Wade blocked air when they were down on the 20 and got JC killed, Portis was having to make cuts three yards deep in the backfield. Newsflash, Tomlinson, Adrian Peterson, whoever, wouldn't look good behind that o-line. The did ok in pass blocking, but whenever the Cards decided to bring the heat JC was under big-time pressure. The offensive problems begin and end with the guys up front. Its not necessarily their fault, they're just not that good, but their play is having a negative effect on the team. You think Portis looks old? It's because of the o-line. Why don't you watch him when he doesn't have the ball in his hand and when he is knocking out linebackers in pass blocking. Does he look old then? The guy is a freaking warrior and one of the best FOOTBALL players I have ever seen. He is the best blocking running back in the NFL and he plays his guts out on the field. I agree that Betts needs more consistent carries, but that would require sustaining drives, which would require blocking. You think JC had time to throw the ball? Show me a time when the Cards brought pressure and he had protection. If they weren't bringing pressure than they were dropping into a two-deep shell and playing coverage. Bottom line, the Redskins need to run the ball, their line cannot run block right now (Fabini is absolutely horrible in the run game and in the AZ game the backs were even getting hit from the backside when they ran left). The only other option would be to come out and throw 15 straight times a la New England. I wonder if the Skins are even capable of doing that.

Posted by: Ehren | October 23, 2007 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Well said Ehen.

Posted by: Stumped | October 23, 2007 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Odd that there haven't been a gazillion Patriots trash talkers up here this week...

Posted by: P Diddy | October 23, 2007 10:05 PM | Report abuse

P Diddy, the fake ones will be arriving shortly.

Posted by: kost52 | October 23, 2007 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Well, I spent the morning at Toys R Us shopping for a baby doll for my Halloween costume. So, I'm quite familiar with tiny little children screaming and yelling...

Posted by: P Diddy | October 23, 2007 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Looking at the NE offense vs Skins defense is an unfair way to evaluate the game.

Any defense, no matter how good, needs its offense to keep it from staying on the field too long. The stats in Jasno's blog state that's precisely what the Skins offense has NOT been able to do.

I expect the Skins D to do a solid job against NE, but any defense will break if its offense keeps going 3 and out. Scoring 17 or 18 points a game is only OK if you're controlling the clock with long, punishing drives and keeping the other teams offense off the field. If the OFFENSE can put up 28 points, the Skins will win. Then, they can expect the defense to hold NE under 24 points.

Posted by: Alan | October 23, 2007 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Just a guess that the Pats fans are so smug that they think trash talking us would be beneath them.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | October 23, 2007 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Haha, what are you dressing up as?

Posted by: kost52 | October 23, 2007 10:33 PM | Report abuse


Again, Jason very eloquently made my point in this latest post. Gibbs 1.0 was a master at the half-time adjustments. Now he can't even manage a clock properly.

Gibbs is a hollow shell of what he was. Yet many say they're actually happy to go through these up and down seasons as long as St. Joe is coaching? Sorry Lisa, that's inane. Gibbs didn't come back 'cause he loved the team, though he may. He came back for the $6 million per year Richie Rich was offering. He may not be able to coach, but he's not dumb.

And yes, I see JC getting ruined in the process with these ridiculous game plans. Even that dork Saunders admitted they don't let him play to his strengths. How many friggin times do we have to hear them say "we're really going to open up the offense this week"? This 4-2 record is a thin disguise, and before long the floodgates are going to open. No doubt the O-line is a pretty big hiccup, but no way is that the only reason for the poor play of the offense. It goes to coaching. Joe brought in Al; so Joe is just as much to blame as Al.

Posted by: Montana'Skins Fan | October 23, 2007 10:35 PM | Report abuse

skinnyntenny at 5:29pm, "if the regulars are gone then good."

Really, dude? Really?

This blog conversation has been craptastic a lot of the way so far this season, a lot of mean-spirited bashing for bashing's sake, and from where I'm sitting (on my couch, with beer) it would benefit from a steady influx of that good ol' jibba jabba from "the regulars." Just one man's opinion.

HAIL

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | October 23, 2007 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Again, Montana, I don't see anything in the cut of Jason Campbell's jib that indicates he's being "ruined." He's the freakin' QB. He is intimately aware with how taxing it is to run an offense -- any offense, no matter how vanilla -- behind a patchwork offensive line, where guys are in and out every week.

Just like all those linemen, Campbell's doing his level best out there. I haven't seen anything at all to indicate he's being "ruined." He has to be aware that one of the primary reasons for the conservative play calling is to PROTECT him.

Oh, and Jason Campbell will be starting his (I believe) fourteenth regular season game this coming Sunday. He hasn't even played the equivalent of a full season! And you sense he is on the verge of ruination!

Sorry for jumping on this point again, Montana, because I completely understand your frustration. I just can't abide by the loser talk.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | October 23, 2007 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Kost, I was debating whether to tell you or not, but as I'd rather beat you at full strength and we're all crazy dutchmen, I let it slip.

He's out for about 6 weeks. I can't carry him that long.

Posted by: SMACK | October 23, 2007 10:57 PM | Report abuse


How many good potential QB's have there been in this league over the years ruined by crappy coaching? Can't even begin to name them all.

I see JC making great strides, but with faulty game and clock management, bad habits set in, you try to take on too much yourself (especially with no running game), mistakes are made, the crowd turns, and presto....before too long you're signing with another team. Culpepper is a great example of this after Robert Smith retired. The team floundered with no running game, the coaching got schizo, and now they're rebuilding.

Posted by: Montana'Skins Fan | October 23, 2007 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Here we go again:

"A hollow shell" what kind of BS is this? Do you have a personal relationship with Gibbs? Why would we put any stock into your theory that Gibbs is doing it for the money. Explain in detail, if you can, how JC is being ruined. How many times has he been sacked this year? Is he looking over his shoulder to see if he'll be replaced after a bad throw? I think not.

Like Nate, I feel your frustration, but I just don't see how Gibbs is ruining JC or the Skins. I actually feel he's improving the franchise.

I'm not trying to tell you how to feel, but rather I'm trying to understand.

We simply have completely opposite opinions.

Regardless, HAIL, HAIL, HAIL Skins!!

Posted by: cosmofla | October 23, 2007 11:20 PM | Report abuse

I agree that Campbell didn't look great in our last game (along with every other member of our O), but I still refuse to believe that his performance was part of the downward spiral you perceive or anticipate.

For goodness' sake, Campbell has been one of our offense's few consistent bright spots this season! He's been fighting his guts out every play, doing everything he can, and I haven't seen any "give up" in his play, his body language, his postgame quotes, anything.

Right now, I'm happy he's our QB, because on his shoulder pads rest my hope that this offense will get going. I realize that sounds ridiculous, but that's where I am, trying to stay relatively sane and positive in the face of the trip to Foxboro...

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | October 23, 2007 11:26 PM | Report abuse

Montana, do you even watch the games? Are they shown in Montana?

Your loser, woe is us, Gibbs must go talk is tiresome and so ridiculous. According to interviews by Campbell, he is very happy to be in a system where he has had the same offense for 2 years in a row. The poor kid went through several offensive coordinators at Auburn and then had to go through a change here when they brought in Saunders. Campbell stayed in DC the entire offseason and was at Redskins Park working with Saunders and Gibbs on a daily basis. He certainly does not want to go through yet another change.

As for Gibbs...well, he brought in Williams - do you have any complaint with that? Of course, I'm sure that YOU do. Gibbs also brought in Marcus Washington, Cornelius Griffin, Shawn Springs, Santana, Randle El, drafted Sean Taylor, Rocky Mcintosh and Laron Landry. Why do I bring this up? Because before Gibbs came back, Snyder ruled with an iron hand and we went through a coach and player carousel on a yearly basis (or just about).

Whether we win or lose this season (and we are freakin' 4-2 for heaven's sake) Gibbs has brought stability back to the Skins and will leave the franchise in much better shape than it was in when he arrived.

Posted by: Lisa | October 23, 2007 11:35 PM | Report abuse

if your o-line is sucking
it's hard to run and pass
soups be dodging and ducking
to avoid laying on the grass

Not Haiku Man

Posted by: noone from tampa | October 24, 2007 12:06 AM | Report abuse

Actually Lisa, JC had 4 O-Cord in 4 years at Auburn....

Montana you sound like kind of a moron honestly...

This character bashing, intense handwringing is getting kind of insane...

I am no pollyanna fan, go back and read a years worth of posts if you like, but some of you sound like children who's toy has been stolen....

How about getting Analytical, ya know actually talking about the football?!?!


And oh yeah to this:

skinnyntenny at 5:29pm, "if the regulars are gone then good."

a hearty F skinnytenny!

Posted by: chris larry | October 24, 2007 12:38 AM | Report abuse

I am pro-being negative, I understand the need to vent and the frustration (although it could be, has been and might still be worse...)

Butt lets try to be smart and funny, in like a megskin type way...

Posted by: chris larry | October 24, 2007 12:40 AM | Report abuse

All these comments about Portis and Gibbs and Saunders and The pats blah blah blah!

How you beat the Pats? You show up to play and leave it all on the field..Smack them right in the mouth!

people want to bash Gibss? Fine your entitled to your opinion...but you know what? He freakin built this franchise into a winner and brought us 3 SBs...You an have your opinions but please have a little class and respect with it!

Benching Portis for Betts......HMMMMMM

All I can say to that is...ARE YOU ON CRACK??????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Leevi | October 24, 2007 12:44 AM | Report abuse

LISA LISA LISA! AMEN!!!!! Great response and post!

Posted by: Leevi | October 24, 2007 12:46 AM | Report abuse

MONTANA...Ok first of all before you make points please do some research that you are accurate.....Dante sucked in Minn because Robert Smith Retired? He retired in 2001!!! Last I saw Dante had a few good years up there in Minn after that...In fact two of his BEST years...I believe the main reason he started playing worse was because Chris Carter retired and then they traded Moss and I think any QB would struggle after losing both of those guys.

Posted by: Leevi | October 24, 2007 12:53 AM | Report abuse

skinnyntenny at 5:29pm, "if the regulars are gone then good."

Really, dude? Really?

This blog conversation has been craptastic a lot of the way so far this season, a lot of mean-spirited bashing for bashing's sake, and from where I'm sitting (on my couch, with beer) it would benefit from a steady influx of that good ol' jibba jabba from "the regulars." Just one man's opinion.

HAIL

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | October 23, 2007 10:37 PM

And oh yeah to this:

skinnyntenny at 5:29pm, "if the regulars are gone then good."

a hearty F skinnytenny!

Posted by: chris larry | October 24, 2007 12:38 AM


See...this is exactly what im talking about...too uptight...i havent been lurking or posting all season cuz ive been busy....but as soon as i post something about anything, somebody comes along and ever so politely reminds me that i have no clue as to what im talking about.....

Maybe it was a little harsh now that i think about it..but it did what i intended it to do...got some regs out and spouting some decent ideas. Soooooooo u can thank me later.

Now. The O-line is the only offensive problem. That and the fact that JC and Moss, despite an entire offseason together, do not have the chemistry they should have. Ive lost count how many times in the pre season and reg season, that ive seen Moss become visibly agitated towards Cambell at an over or underthrown pass. For some strange reason, JC seems to overthrow Moss more than anyone. Why? His big targets, Cooley, Sellers, McCardell seem to be more comfortable targets for him...although McCardells two catches i believe he had to go to his knees to get. So either Al needs to quit sending Moss on 5-10 yard patterns in traffic, let him and ARE fly down the field where JC has a better chance of connecting with them. And let Cooley, Sellers, Portis, Betts, MC, and Thrash work the underneath stuff....OR....they need to draft and pursue bigger targets for our stud QB

I mean am i the only one thats seen Moss lose his cool sometimes with Cambell?....In my opinion, thats just unprofessional.

Posted by: skinnyntenny | October 24, 2007 1:11 AM | Report abuse

I can't believe I just read all that ish. I want 30 minutes of my life back.

sthai75, I have never really called out anyone before, but seriously, take it somewhere else. Ridiculous.

Now I'm in a pissy mood.

I don't generally complain about Jasno either, but we have a huge game this weekend that no one thinks we can win and we're still on the "Second Half BreakDown" thread? Give me something man. Matchups? Anything?

Its getting harder and harder to abide up here.

Posted by: Dorf | October 24, 2007 1:16 AM | Report abuse

Oh and Nate..from where im sitting (at my desk...with lots of weed) i agree....you guys usually have some good shyte to say.

HAIL!!

Posted by: skinnyntenny | October 24, 2007 1:19 AM | Report abuse

I have turned into "that guy" on the internet getting all pissed off and ranting about something I have no control over. Double Punch in the nugget pouch for me.

The Dorf Abides, sorely.

Posted by: Dorf | October 24, 2007 1:21 AM | Report abuse

Yo skinny,

So you need to attack the people who have been postin, thinkin and conversatin to get us to think?!!?

Just seemed like a weird comment, especially since it B/C of the lame/strange/hostile/warped/unfunny posts have been the reason why a lot of last and offseason peeps have posted less of late....

oh well...as always F chris LARRY

Posted by: chris larry | October 24, 2007 1:23 AM | Report abuse

Dorf...its ok to get angry, you abide anyway you feel is needed....

Posted by: chris larry | October 24, 2007 1:25 AM | Report abuse

So I hear this ESPN Insider thingy has a Scouts take on the game. Anyone got an extra copy?

Posted by: Lurky boy | October 24, 2007 1:27 AM | Report abuse

Anyone else get that Redskins-steal-it 21-17 feeling?

Posted by: Lurky boy | October 24, 2007 1:32 AM | Report abuse

chirp

Posted by: Anonymous | October 24, 2007 1:34 AM | Report abuse

Im a big supporter of Gibbs 2.0...but the fact remains that during his first go round, his teams were masters at adjusting during the game. I believe he has lost some of the aggressiveness that made him such a good 2nd half coach. Instead of staying ahead of the other team by anticipating their adjustments, they seem to now, shell up and ride out the storm.

I relate it to poker. The younger more aggressive players are in alot more hands. But they are playing their opponents...not their own cards. When u start to play safe..u get stale...and ur blinds are stolen without any fear of u putting up much of a fight. Next thing u know...you are the short stack and ur all-in with 7 7 before the flop.

I really think GW will be a great coach for us after Gibbs leaves. He has a better grasp of those critical clock-management situations than Gibbs. I'm so glad they don't blitz everydown now.

Posted by: skinnyntenny | October 24, 2007 1:36 AM | Report abuse

kost, I'm going to a "Dress up as your favorite holiday" party. It came down to Arbor Day, Guy Fawkes Day, or Election Day.

Being a tree was fraught with complications...namely, once I get bored (which I will), how do I drink (which I will) when I'm inside a fake tree? I was afraid I would spend more time explaining who Guy Fawkes was to all the U.S. Americans.

So...I chose Election Day and have a "Mayor" sash, a gazillion "Vote for Me" buttons to hand out, a clear plastic bag full of formerly hanging chads, a stack of ballots with my phone number, and, of course, a "baby" to kiss. Now, in this silly little political town in which I live, watch me win for real! :-)

As for the pointless namecalling, character assassination, and other assorted nonsense...I say we post Lisa's response as the header of every single one of Jasno's posts. Well done.

Posted by: P Diddy | October 24, 2007 1:38 AM | Report abuse

Chris Larry,

No dude...I simply started reading todays blog, saw hardly any familiar names, alot of stupid shyte being said, said my two cents worth, got told i should keep up with the fact that that problem was being taken care of with an aging vet, and a guy who the Pats let go after bringing in 3 entirely-new-to-the-system people in the offseason. I got pissy and popped off.

I have beef with know it alls like some of the regulars so I stand by that part of it. But if you are not one of those regs, then disregard the comment.

Posted by: skinnyntenny | October 24, 2007 1:45 AM | Report abuse

So are we still 16 point underdogs?

I just don't see it. Gibbs doesn't like to win big, for some reason, but he HATES to lose big.

GG is drooling--this is his chance to be the king stud of NFL defenses. NO ONE has stopped the Pats. Skins will come closer than anyone else.

Only question is whether we score enough to win. Let Jason play!

Game will be ON on Sunday. World War I style--trench warfare.

Posted by: farstriker | October 24, 2007 1:46 AM | Report abuse

Lurky boy - This is for you mate!

From ESPN's Scouts Inc.


Why To Watch
This game will go a long way toward determining whether the Washington Redskins can be considered a Super Bowl-caliber team. The Patriots have been on an unheard-of roll through the first seven weeks of the season and are averaging 39.9 points per game, but the Redskins rank third in the NFL in scoring defense at 14.7 points per game. This is about as close as we are going to get to an irresistible force (Patriots) going against an immovable object (Redskins). Something has to give in this one.


When the Redskins have the ball
Rushing: The Redskins are in the middle of the Pack in rushing offense at 114.7 yards per game and they have struggled to an average of just 3.5 yards per carry over the last four games. Head coach Joe Gibbs is a firm believer in the ground game and will surely continue to focus on the run with FB Mike Sellers leading the way for RBs Clinton Portis and Ladell Betts. Portis' production has declined steadily since the season opener but Washington must have a ground game against the Patriots in order to keep the ball away from the explosive New England offense and avoid putting too much pressure on young Redskins QB Jason Campbell. The Patriots own the ninth-best run defense in the league at 92.7 yards per game, and while defensive coordinator Dean Pees will throw in the occasional interior stunt the Patriots don't add and extra defender to the box very often. For the most part they rely on their front seven to get the job done.

Passing: Campbell is still experiencing a lot of things for the first time as he tries to manage his team into the playoffs. Offensive coordinator Al Saunders tries to keep Campbell's throws to less than 25 attempts per game and the Redskins generally stay with the controlled passing game that attacks the underneath zones and try to work their way downfield. Because of that they don't generate many explosive plays and have only scored five times through the air. While the Redskins have several quality receivers they don't really have a go-to receiver, a guy who can come up with the difficult catch in crucial situations. Washington needs to spread the wealth so defenses can't focus on any single receiver.

The Patriots do a good job of keeping the ball in front of them thanks to their two and three-deep zones. Cornerback Asante Samuel is their best cover man and has come up with three interceptions so far this season. New England generates a quality pass rush without much of an all-out blitz package, thought the Patriots do come with the occasional well-timed stunt and have gotten to opposing quarterbacks 19 times this season. Most of their pressure comes from their three down linemen and two outside linebackers.

When the Patriots have the ball
Rushing: The Patriots ground game might not be dominating but it is still a quality rushing attack. They average 133.4 yards per game and run the ball just enough to force defenses to play honestly. All three of their running backs -- Laurence Maroney, Sammy Morris and Kevin Faulk -- are banged up, though Maroney returned to the lineup last week against Miami and ran for 31 yard on six carries. Morris is expected to miss at least two more weeks.

Look for the Patriots to emphasize the ground game this week more than they did against the Dolphins as the Redskins can be extremely difficult to throw the ball against. The Redskins are giving up just over 80 yards per game on the ground and have a good blend of veteran leadership with the likes of LB London Fletcher, DEs Phillip Daniels and Andre Carter, and excellent second-year players in DT Anthony Montgomery and WLB Rocky McIntosh. The Redskins' linebacker corps is not very big, though, and can struggle when they have to take on blockers in order to make plays, so the front four has to do a good job of controlling the New England offensive linemen and keeping them off the second level.

Passing: Patriots QB Tom Brady is on track to set several single-season passing records and has had a passer rating over 100 in each of his first seven games, and the signing of WR Wes Welker seems to have had as much of an impact as the acquisition of fellow WR Randy Moss, as Welker leads the team with 47 receptions. Moss is the big-play receiver but Welker is more of a go-to guy on a consistent basis. Brady has been able to tear apart secondaries at pretty much all levels with Moss and WR Donte' Stallworth being the downfield threats and Welker and tight end Benjamin Watson specializing in the underneath routes. Brady has 27 touchdown passes and only two interceptions and the Patriots look pretty much unstoppable through the air right now. The Redskins do have the eighth-ranked pass defense in the NFL, though, at just 196.2 yards per game and have arguably the best pair of safeties in the league in Sean Taylor and LaRon Landry, and the entire secondary is fast and athletic. That allows defensive coordinator Gregg Williams to use a wide variety of run stunts and inside stunts knowing that the secondary can still cover what most teams have to offer.

Special Teams

The Redskins are fourth in the league in kickoff returns at 28.1 yards per return and backup RB Rock Cartwright handles that chore. Antwaan Randle El handles the punt returns and is averaging 6.8 yards per return while Welker returns punts for New England and is averaging 10.1 yards per return. Ellis Hobbs handles most of the kickoff returns for the Patriots and is averaging 29.9 yards. Chris Hanson is the Patriots' punter and he averages 40.3 yards per punt with a net average of 35.8 while Derrick Frost is the Redskins' punter and is averaging 42.1 yards per punt with a net average of 37.6. Kickers Stephen Gostkowski for the Patriots and Shaun Suisham for the Redskins are both accurate but neither one has a huge leg. Overall, the advantage goes to the Patriots.

Posted by: kost52 | October 24, 2007 1:47 AM | Report abuse

Pasquarelli -

Skins need more from WRs: If the Washington Redskins are going to challenge for a playoff berth, they've got to get their wide receivers more involved in the offense. And into the end zone too. Washington doesn't have a single touchdown reception by a wide receiver this season. Of the team's five scoring catches, four are by tight end/H-back Chris Cooley and one is from fullback Mike Sellers.

In fact, of the 15 touchdown passes thrown by quarterback Jason Campbell in his 13 career starts, just three -- two to Antwaan Randle El and one to Santana Moss -- have gone to wide receivers. Cooley, on the other hand, has seven touchdown grabs since Campbell supplanted Mark Brunell as the starter the second half of last season, and clearly has been the go-to receiver for the young quarterback. The last touchdown catch by a Redskins wide receiver was in the 2006 season finale, a 46-yarder to Moss, thrown by Randle El, a former college quarterback.

Posted by: kost52 | October 24, 2007 1:52 AM | Report abuse

See...i just realized too that all of our O line that are in right now are freaking huge. The shortest is 6 4"....Wade is 6 8"...im telling you guys...Cambell cant see those 5 10" smurfs so close to the line...So let em run deeper routes...But wait...the O line is in shambles........sigh........

Posted by: skinnyntenny | October 24, 2007 1:59 AM | Report abuse

Why do people post entire articles here?

Look mom, I can cut and paste!

Posted by: Wayne P. | October 23, 2007 01:17 PM

That's how I made it through High School and College English classes!

Anyway, I only post extremely relevant articles regarding the state of the skins or scouting reports of the current weeks opponnents (sp?). Especially if you need a suscription kinda thing, like I have for scout.com....

Posted by: 4th | October 24, 2007 2:17 AM | Report abuse

Charley Casserly thinks that the NE secondary is not that good but play with smarts and don't give up big plays.

From the globe story
Unbeaten Patriots tackle problems

running up the middle and YAC have been the two problems for the PATS this year.

To me this means runs up the middle, slants, and 4-5 shots down field are the way to go.

Problem: Casey is the Key to runs up the middle. Also Skins may have trouble with blitz pick ups in a three four.

Misdirections don't look promising against the Pats either.

The two keys will be running well so the pats have to run blitz or bring an 8th man in the box. Will S. Moss and ARL get some YAC after short passes. If these do not happen the skins offense will have trouble scoring more than 14 points.

Wild cards are long passes which are hit and miss, and JC running for 1st downs. Also will the PATS take advantage of batted balls or fumbles by the Skins.

I wrote in a previous post the the skins D match up very well vs. the Pats which now is a supper version of the Lions.

I think the Pats are 5-7 points better then the skins right now but anything can happen.

Posted by: M&M | October 24, 2007 5:35 AM | Report abuse

Gibbs on Redskins radio said that Al calls the plays and they are usually on the same page and talk during the week and between drives.

To me this means Al calls the plays, the team practices those plays during the week, and he probably leads the game planning. Usually how to attack a team is not hard to figure out. Gibbs makes important calls, who plays, and decides if they are going conservative. They work out of Al's play book.

Going conservative is not always a bad thing. Gibbs 1.0 would not even use the Shotgun. We need our O line to get healthy fast.

Posted by: M&M | October 24, 2007 5:52 AM | Report abuse

From the AP:

The Falcons cut starting defensive tackle Grady Jackson. Jackson a 6-foot-2, 350 pound run stopper, led the league with 13 tackles for a loss last season.

Also:

The Rams released offensive guard Claude Terrell after he was arrested early Tuesday and charged with assaulting his wife at a suburban Houston hotel.

Posted by: cosmofla | October 24, 2007 7:49 AM | Report abuse

Okay,
What's wrong with Grady Jackson? Bad guy? Big contract? Not playing well? I don't know anything about him, but maybe double G could coach him up, or better yet, he might be o-line material(joking).

And Claude Terrell? Obviously not a character guy...so look for the COwgirls to pick him up.

Posted by: cosmofla | October 24, 2007 7:57 AM | Report abuse

C'mon,

I'm bmgo this morning. Where is everybody?

Posted by: cosmofla | October 24, 2007 7:59 AM | Report abuse

Alrighty then...

Posted by: cosmofla | October 24, 2007 8:03 AM | Report abuse

cosmofla - I'm here bud. Just got home from basketball. I'm not sure if we need Grady Jackson bud. I think Griff, Monty and Golston are doing a good job.

Posted by: kost52 | October 24, 2007 8:22 AM | Report abuse

The only player I want us to go after is Chad Johnson.

Posted by: jm220 | October 24, 2007 8:32 AM | Report abuse

Redskins lead NFL in Defensive Passer Rating (67.7).

Just sayin'.

Posted by: bangkokben | October 24, 2007 8:34 AM | Report abuse

Surely he can't out play our current Ocho Cinco!

Posted by: kost52 | October 24, 2007 8:35 AM | Report abuse


Lisa:

You're sounding very wifey, my dear. We actually do have football out here. We're also taught to look objectively at what's before us and analyze, not nod our heads like a bobble-head doll at everything a coach does or says.

Gregg Williams clearly learned lessons from last year and adjusted his process. It also helped not having so many defensive injuries. Coach Gibbs has shown no such tendency to learn from his mistakes yet. Double G is a darn good defensive coach, but his head coaching stint didn't go so well. But he's certainly earned the shot. It's the old Norv Turner syndrome.

My entire point is that our progress seems to be spotty at best. The 4-2 record, as evidenced by Jason's stats, show us regressing week to week. We have a fantabulous defense, but they can't be left holding the bag week to week. The Ravens got away with it in winning a title, but that's not the norm.

Again, no doubt the O-line troubles have wreaked havoc, but that doesn't account for the wild swings in performance since Gibbs came back. For comaprisons sake, look no further than the Cowgirls. I can't stand them but they seem to steadily improve year to year. This year they look to be the cream of the NFC thus far.

I'm a big fan of JC, and I think he's got real potential in a league with two all-time great QB's, one pretty darn good one Romo) and the others (besides JC) pretty darn ugly.

The mark of steady improvement is to play consistently quarter to quarter then week to week. As a team, we haven't done that but once since St. Joe's return.

They make a major statement on a Monday night against the Eagles, then follow it up by losing to a division rival at home the next Sunday. They dominate the Lions one week, and lose to a clearly inferior team the next week in the Packers ( another tough conference loss). Good teams simply don't let those opportunities fall from their grasp. Our wins came against teams with a combined 8-17 record. And it came down to the end in 3 of those wins. At least we're finally finding a way to win against poor teams, but I'd like to see more of an attitude that shows they clearly expect to win those games through sheer domination. The defense has that mindset, but it's starting to wear thin with them because they know the offense can't put it away.

That's why I think this 4-2 record is deceptive.

Posted by: Montana'Skins Fan | October 24, 2007 8:48 AM | Report abuse

Do you think we'll glean any meaningful insight on the Pats' O from the Little Linebacker Who Could, who played in their division for the past five seasons? Just curious.

This is related to the question someone asked above, as to whether having the Pats' leading WR from last season on our roster would help us in any way. Wherefore art thou, Ray-shay?

Also on the name pronunciation tip, would be great to hear how Casey Raw-bock is doing today.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | October 24, 2007 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Montana'Skins Fan may I suggest you take a look at the teams that Dallas beat. And take a look at the teams the G Men have beat.

Posted by: jm220 | October 24, 2007 8:53 AM | Report abuse

jm220
gmen lost to 2 top seeds in NFC. Dallas lost to #1 seed in AFC

Posted by: Anonymous | October 24, 2007 8:58 AM | Report abuse

Just as importantly, look at the combined record of the teams the 'skins have lost to.

I'm okay with the offense with the exception to the 2nd halves of the Giants and Cards games. They let the defense get exposed. Fantastic defense - if they don't have to play more than 30 minutes.

Posted by: bangkokben | October 24, 2007 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Montana'Skins Fan

Cowboys are improving year to year?

They have not won a playoff game in many years. Faded last year and are starting to do the same this year.

What makes a good team is not turning the ball over, good defense, good in run and pass game. Not self destructing. Players who want to win.

We still self destruct for some reason. Can't run at the moment (we know why).

Posted by: M&M | October 24, 2007 9:00 AM | Report abuse

dallas 12
gmen 10
redskins 9
these are the combined wins of the teams these 3 have won!
you can only beat who you play and maybe these teams had better records like chicago last yr!

Posted by: jm220 | October 24, 2007 9:07 AM | Report abuse

I don't care about the 'girls or gmen right now. It's Pats or bust this week. If our front 4 can bottle up their run then we can stay in Nickel with Springs on Welker and the rest in the two deep or 3 deep zone.

I worry that Landry can't go up for jump balls against Moss though. Only Reaper can match his height and leaping ability.

Posted by: Skinz | October 24, 2007 9:08 AM | Report abuse

It must really feel awful not being me.

Posted by: jm220 | October 24, 2007 9:09 AM | Report abuse

jm220 is right that we should be looking at win % of our opponents last yr, because nobody can predict future when writing schedule!

Posted by: i agree | October 24, 2007 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Landry doesn't have to jump with him as long as he times his hits.

Posted by: bangkokben | October 24, 2007 9:10 AM | Report abuse

bangkokben you are right on point my friend. Lay the wood a couple of times and see how high Moss jumps then.

Posted by: jm220 | October 24, 2007 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Skinz
not even our 4 #1s will help because we have no pass rush and if you wish to drink the kool-aide then by all meens enjoy!

Posted by: jm220 | October 24, 2007 9:12 AM | Report abuse

jm220 is right about pass rush!

Posted by: skinsfan | October 24, 2007 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Ben,

Because of the nature of those "lobs" it's almost impossible to time a hit. When the reciever is in front of you as a safety playing the deep third or half you can watch the ball and the man.

In that lob situation the WR is standing there staring at the ball the whole time. They are basically jump balls. Landry would have to stand 10 yards away and pause for a second and then come flying in.

Posted by: Skinz | October 24, 2007 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Dude - you're still here? Weren't you running enough erands for the Chicken Ranch last nite?

Posted by: Dik | October 24, 2007 9:17 AM | Report abuse

No kool-aide drinking henceforth the modifier "if". I never said anything about a passrush either. I said contain the run and allow us to sub out Godfrey for an extra CB.

If Springs is on Welker then not only does it free up our LB's to focus more on the TE and Seem routes but it puts and "8th" man in the box in Springs who showed last week he can make the tackles.

Posted by: Skinz | October 24, 2007 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Yet again that is not our jm220...don't know why this dude gets such a charge out of being an imposter.

Montana, we have not been regressing week to week. The offense played great against Detroit...and pretty darn good the following week against the Packers. Campbell was passing the ball a lot in that game...the problem was the receivers kept dropping the balls. Can't blame the coaches for that.

Posted by: Lisa | October 24, 2007 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Dik,

I really don't understand half of what you say? Is that like farm humor or something?

Posted by: Da Truef | October 24, 2007 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Lurky boy - This is for you mate!

From ESPN's Scouts Inc.

Posted by: kost52 | October 24, 2007 01:47 AM

Hey, brother. I conked out last night a little before your post. Belated thanks for being such a blogstar!

Posted by: Lurky boy | October 24, 2007 9:24 AM | Report abuse

I agree Lisa, doesn't sound like JM.

Dik,

If that is directed at me, really you should give it up. If you have nothing to add to the conversation then just stay out of it. If you just want to troll people discussing the Redskins then I think it's ITA time for you. If that wasn't directed at me then sorry.

Posted by: Skinz | October 24, 2007 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Skinz,

For someone who seems to have a brain and makes really good points you have no sense when it comes to people trying to bait you. Ignore the A$$clown and stay on the boards.

I'm just sayzin is all...

Posted by: Just sayzin is all... | October 24, 2007 9:32 AM | Report abuse

How much time do you think that Bugeyes Caldwell will be spending in Double G's office this week?

Posted by: dawglbs | October 24, 2007 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Im just hoping we can get cooley involved more this week, he is the key to our short yardage passing attack, which we havent taken advantage of this season except for a half.

Posted by: SAK | October 24, 2007 9:39 AM | Report abuse

For what it's worth, Gibbs admitted yesterday on Redskins Radio to calling a very conservative game last Sunday (hinted at the O line situation as the reason). A caller to the show asked why we always seem to flatline in the 3rd quarter. Gibbs said that although that has appeared to be the case in most of our games but that we were playing well in the 3rd quarter of the Cards game and were up 21-6 so they pulled the offense back in the 4th quarter. He admitted that we lost momentum and it came back to bite us - and he also admitted this has happened in other games this season as well.

I fully expect our offense to come out firing on Sunday. They really have no absolutely no choice.

Posted by: Lisa | October 24, 2007 9:42 AM | Report abuse

I doubt sitting on a big lead will be an issue for us this weekend Lisa haha.

Posted by: Da Treuf | October 24, 2007 9:44 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Anonymous | October 24, 2007 10:10 AM | Report abuse

I'm raggin on the 15 laptop total troll that posts like a coward using other peoples IDs etc etc etc.

Tha looser dallas fan that has nothing better to do than waste his own and everyone else's time.

If that's you - then eat it. If it's not, then why you buggin'?

I bleed Burgundy and piss Gold - so if'n you're a skins fan, I got nuthin' agin'ya -


HAIL!

Posted by: Dik | October 24, 2007 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Skinz | October 24, 2007 10:11 AM | Report abuse

I feel like smashin' trolls today. Bring it, varmints!

Posted by: Dik | October 24, 2007 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Skins looked better in pass protection than in run blocking...so they should just come out with 4 Wrs against the Pats and let Campbell loose...let him run some no huddle and keep the Pats D on their heels...Pats are probably expecting Run anyways...

I'd also say they let Landry and Taylor level some guys early in the game...take a couple of 15yd penalties early on, but start making Moss & Stallworth think twice about going deep and in the middle, you might start seeing some alligator arms as the game progresses

Posted by: Skins4Life | October 24, 2007 10:15 AM | Report abuse

We are 16 1/2 underdogs this week, thats a huge spread against the #1 defense in the NFC.

Posted by: SAK | October 24, 2007 10:19 AM | Report abuse

I know I'm late but I was reading the comments posted yesterday and early today about the regulars and why they don't post as much anymore.

I started posting a couple of months ago in August, I was so psyched about the up-coming season, I just had to see if Washingtonians shared my same enthusiasm. Of course I started to state my opinion on certain topics and was met with bashing and cynicism. I always knew that people aren't going to agree with everything you say but when the football bashing turned to personal bashing I became pissed! I couldn't believe grown adults, allegedly, would stoop to such a level. So I thought well if some of these people can be complete buttholes, well so can I. I started to rip and berate those opinions I disagreed with and while doing so started to hate what I was doing. I don't like berating people regardless of their opinions. So now when I choose to disagree with someones opinion I always noted somewhere in my post that I'm doing it respectfully. So to the regulars, if you're growing tired of the opinion or personal bashing, well some of you are the contributor. The regulars set the tone of the blog. If someone new is lurking and see the discourteous comments, then in what way do you think that person will express their comments. Some of the regulars on the blog are network class acts, I know there are others but "Diddy" and "Nate", and although he is not a Redskins fan, "Redcoat", are the ones who come to mind. If if they do not agree with an opinion, they don't resort to attacking people personally. Class acts. To the newbies such as myself, in the world of blogging, I see it as a resident or tourist in a new country. Learn and respect the customs and people of the land. Don't do or say anything to compromise your character, because you are new and foregin, what you do and say will always be analyzed to the umpteenth power.

Ok, moving on the the game this Sunday, I think the Redskins have a legit shot to beat the Patroits. While they don't have many, they do have some weaknesses on both offense and defense. Right now the Patroits have banged up RB's. That means the Patroits won't and don't have any problem throwing the ball. On defense, these guys can be rushed on, but with the class C offensive line, what is the chance the Redskins will reach the 100 yd. mark. They couldn't do it against Arizona and Green Bay, defensive units that are not talented and dominant as the Patroits. The key for Washington will be of course establish a running threat (Way easier said than done, nowadays) and get the ball to Cooley, unless they have A. Thomas (LB) blanketing Cooley all day. If that is the case, spread em'. Three receiver sets, (with Keenan) four wide (Moss, Randell El, McCardell, and Caldwell), hell I'll even spred em' 5-wide with Cooley being my 5th receiver. I hope Gibbs and Saunders do something differnt to try and confuse the Patroits, other than a reverse. Deception is key to winning.

So is cheating.

Posted by: SkinsRealist | October 24, 2007 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Not sure exactly what year it was, but didnt we bet Brady's Pats a couple of years ago with a team that was 10x worse than the one we have now? I think Spurrier was the coach...and if i remember right, we went up to Foxboro and won.

Although it means little for this game, the team needs to realize that this team can be beat. I like the skins in this one 24 - 21

Posted by: skinnyntenny | October 24, 2007 10:30 AM | Report abuse

I don't think we want to get in a shooting contest S4L, we need to stick to our plan.

Pats have drawn every opponent into that strategy & it can't work. They'll win a shootout against everyone except maybe Indy.

But I like the fierce D early concept. Once the receiver's teeth are shaking, it'll be harder to handle the ball - let's just stop short of an ejection ;-)

Posted by: Dik | October 24, 2007 10:30 AM | Report abuse

other than a reverse. Deception is key to winning.

So is cheating.

LMGO

Posted by: jm220 | October 24, 2007 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Hail Lisa
Hail JG makin' sense

Hail ThRedSkins

Posted by: Dik | October 24, 2007 10:31 AM | Report abuse

"Elmira St. Boogie" -- Danny Gatton

Anyone notice that the Redskins launch a lot of success with other teams. Maybe other teams do, too, but consider this accumulation of launching:

+ Sage Rosenfels just tied the record for most TD passes in a quarter.

+ Brad Johnson considered inferior to Jeff George by Snyder and goes on to Super Bowl victory.

+ Stephen Davis not good enough for Steve Spurrier and goes on to almost beat the Pats in Super Bowl.

+ Trent Green not good enough but goes on to be franchise QB in KC.

+ Keenan McCardell, Rich Gannon, David Akers.

+ Tennessee 0-4 last year, upsets the Redskins and launches to elite status in the league.

+ Giants this year at 0-2 down bad at the half and bounce back to beat Skins and win the next five.

Is it me -- or are the Redskins everyone's stepping stone these days?

Posted by: Beezer (Austin, TX) | October 24, 2007 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Skinsrealist is a newbie, dude I feel like you been posting like 18 months now....

Posted by: chris laRRy | October 24, 2007 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Beezer, it's just you.

Posted by: M | October 24, 2007 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Dude, the last thing I want to see - other than an out of order sign on the coffee maker - is some putz who gets his day ruined on a freaking blog. Put on your big boy pants SkinsRealist, don't take this place so seriously.

Posted by: Wayne P. | October 24, 2007 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Sept. 28, 2003 - Spurriers Redskins beat New England 20-17 to improve to 3-1. The game was in Landover though. They become the last team to beat the Patriots before New England's 21-game unbeaten streak, which spans parts of two seasons and includes a victory in Super Bowl XXXVIII.

Posted by: Gregskins | October 24, 2007 10:42 AM | Report abuse

LMGO, CHris lArry

Beezer - a Danny Gatton reference!? way 2 bring it. Now HIS version of Hail To The Redskins, I'd like to hear! (too bad, well... you know...) We've been dormats for a while, brah.

SkinsRealist - you also started posting around the time that KingNonameTroll began his version of horse manure. So - I think you've taken some of the flak there personally as well. Butch up & you'll be fine.

Whar the trolls at?? I got my SJK Kickers on!!

Posted by: Dik | October 24, 2007 10:44 AM | Report abuse

well said Realist. But if those who want to, continue to argue with stupid points, i will be forced to unleash my opinion on them. As an adult, i will try to be as polite as possible,but im not promising anything.

Now then...anyone else think Cambell has a harder time with the Smurfs our team? I mean, the O line is taller than JC, who is 6 5".(only one is 6 4"). Bless his country heart, he cant see those little SJKers unless they are further downfield. Even when he does see em, his passes to them are ususally too high cuz they are freaking midgets. Just imagine how hard it is to throw over 6 5" guys, at an angle down to those tiny little hands.

Agree with me, face the consequences.....


JK


HAIL!!

Posted by: skinnyntenny | October 24, 2007 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Skinny 10

In spuurier's last year we were the last team to beat the Pats that year.....BUTT in that particular game, they had 9 starters out!

Posted by: chris laRRy | October 24, 2007 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Gregskins,

I remember that game like it was yesterday. I remember that half of the 'Pats team was out of the game with injuries and Brady himself was even hurt - and the 'Skins STILL almost blew it. I love the idea that the Redskins' chance of winning falls into the "no shot" category. I hear it's supposed to be raining in Foxborough this Sunday also, maybe that will help a little. Nothing like a wet field for THEIR groins this week. I say we have Clinton Soreness play special teams. Put Taylor split out wide on offense. Put Andre Carter AND Mike Sellers in the backfield once or twice. Since Joe "I just crapped my diaper" Gibbs is so worried about hurting the development of Jason "MMM, MMM Good" Campbell, how about letting A.R.E. toss a few 'deepies? What I am trying to say is, if everyone on this planet already agrees that "The Hoodie" has Washington all mapped out already, why not create a situation that will actually make him have to think a little more than he usually needs to DURING the game?


Of course a nice little late hit on Brady could change the whole game too. Im not saying.....I'm just saying.

Posted by: Wayne P. | October 24, 2007 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of injuries, I think it's about time to start questioning the trainers a bit.

I know Bubba is basically infallible at the Park, but given the nature of the injuries we've been seeing, I think the question has to be asked. Why so many GD pulls and strains?

I was at the game Sunday and the Cardinals were on the field warming up a good solid 20 minutes before our guys were.

I think we may be seeing too heavy an emphasis placed on speed and strenff and not enough on flexibility.

Not hatin', just sayin'.

Posted by: Larry Bud | October 24, 2007 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Sept. 28, 2003 - Spurriers Redskins beat New England 20-17 to improve to 3-1. The game was in Landover though. They become the last team to beat the Patriots before New England's 21-game unbeaten streak, which spans parts of two seasons and includes a victory in Super Bowl XXXVIII.

Posted by: Gregskins | October 24, 2007 10:42 AM

There u go....granted they didnt have Moss and co. back then, but they did have Troy Brown, and......was Branch around ?....hell....i dont remember who they had, but i know they were decent enough for Brady. If anything, their new WR's have alot more speed, but still.

Posted by: skinnyntenny | October 24, 2007 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Larry? The groin injuries are not a result of the trainers not preparing the players properly. they are the result of world-class, 300 lb. + athletes running and playing full-speed on a wet field. It's a gamble every time and the 'Skins ended up with more pulled groins than GB. I don't know this for a fact but I wonder if run-blocking (Skins) vs. pass blocking (Pack) makes one more prone for these types of injuries.

Posted by: Wayne P. | October 24, 2007 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Knock. Knock.

This just in.... the Skinz do not stand a chance against the Mighty Pats. The real Moss will make Taylor re-live the 2006 season. LLandry will be exposed as a rookie. Area 51 will be a theme park for 5 year olds to play and frolic. Fletcher will show his age. The soup will show signs that he may be a bust.

Hail Pats!

I'll enjoy the whinning and crying here on Sunday.

Posted by: Very Brady Bunch and The One and Only Moss | October 24, 2007 11:00 AM | Report abuse

We could WAYNE Bra...dy... wait. That didn't come out right.

Wayne Brady?! Is that an action, or a person!?! ;-p

Posted by: Dik | October 24, 2007 11:01 AM | Report abuse

For skinsrealist: Its called a paragragh! 3 to 4 thoughts per paragragh. Easy to read, adds crediability to the diatribe!

Try it you may like it.

Batter up Dik!

Posted by: Troll | October 24, 2007 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of injuries, I think it's about time to start questioning the trainers a bit.

I know Bubba is basically infallible at the Park, but given the nature of the injuries we've been seeing, I think the question has to be asked. Why so many GD pulls and strains?

I was at the game Sunday and the Cardinals were on the field warming up a good solid 20 minutes before our guys were.

I think we may be seeing too heavy an emphasis placed on speed and strenff and not enough on flexibility.

Not hatin', just sayin'.

Posted by: Larry Bud | October 24, 2007 10:55 AM


Tru dat....Bubba has some special place in th coaches or owners heart i guess. Didnt he get fired or something a couple of years ago? I thought i remember him coming back to us.

And i totally forgot that the Pats were decimated that game. Guess that doesnt prove anything then. well...hold on...if you consider that most of the Pats 2nd teamers are better than our starters, my point is once agian valid!!!

Posted by: skinnyntenny | October 24, 2007 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Say, any of you geeks know of a good pizza buffet at a reasonable price?

Posted by: daveb55 | October 24, 2007 11:03 AM | Report abuse

For whatever it is worth, Bill Parcell's analysis of Skins vs. Pats boils down to this. Skins defense has to pick its poison because Pats offense has so many weapons. He thinks that they need to double-cover Randy Moss, because he hurts you the most and fastest. Stalworth, Welker, and Watson can also take it for a TD, but the best DBs should be on Moss.

Posted by: M | October 24, 2007 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Ah, here they are - Not that you weren't posting under the assumed ID's before. But your schizophrenic paranoia hadn't kicked in yet - or the meds wore off...

So, the Chicken Ranch plastic couches are clean now? Do you smell like the inside of a porta-john or what??

Posted by: Dik | October 24, 2007 11:09 AM | Report abuse

It will be sweet to watch the real Moss catch a TD pass over Taylor and Landry.

He did it twice against Miami and that team have a better Safety duo!

Hail to the Pats.

Great year for NE! The home of the Lombardy, World Series Trophy and the NBA Championship Trophy in 2007!

Posted by: Very Brady Bunch | October 24, 2007 11:09 AM | Report abuse

"If you watch our defense at practice, they're quick, smooth, fly around," Portis told a Washington television station. "For us, the offense, we drop balls in practice, we turn it over in practice. What we do in practice we do in the game"

Posted by: | October 23, 2007 12:17 PM

Hmmm, maybe the offense shouldn't be practicing against such a good defense....

Posted by: charlie | October 24, 2007 11:09 AM | Report abuse

M, I don't know why a Man/Cover 2 or some variation won't take care of the Pats Receivers. A few big hits early from Area 51 is as good as double coverage for the game.

The question is - how do we spike their steroids? 'Cause that ancient NE LB corps can't last without 'em.

Posted by: Dik | October 24, 2007 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Alright, alright, who is the fradulent Patroits fan that is really a reg/skins fan trying to excite the blog?

Posted by: SkinsRealist | October 24, 2007 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Dik,
I thought we agreed not to talk about how the chicken $h!t got all over your couch.

BTW, why do you have a plastic covered couch anyway?

Posted by: Troll | October 24, 2007 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Larry? The groin injuries are not a result of the trainers not preparing the players properly. they are the result of world-class, 300 lb. + athletes running and playing full-speed on a wet field. It's a gamble every time and the 'Skins ended up with more pulled groins than GB. I don't know this for a fact but I wonder if run-blocking (Skins) vs. pass blocking (Pack) makes one more prone for these types of injuries.

Posted by: Wayne P. | October 24, 2007 10:58 AM

If the only pulls and strains that had been sustained were against GB, you might have a point. Granted, the weather has some part to play, especially when your training staff doesn't pack the right gear. But there were'nt multiple pulls and strains on GB's side of the ball.

And we're seeing a repetitive patttern over several games in different types of weather.

Again, not hatin'.

Posted by: Larry Bud | October 24, 2007 11:14 AM | Report abuse

very brady: nice spelling of lombardi. you chowds are going to lose the world series, not do a damn thing in the nba, despite your 3 stars and not win the superbowl. The reaper will leave randy moss crying on the field! Oh yeah, boston college is going to get worked this week!
F the chowda heads!

Posted by: nah | October 24, 2007 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Area 51 hasn't jacked up a receiver in 7 games and they won't do it this weekend. Taylor and Landry will eat Wes Walker dust. Moss will catch passes in the endzone over those hard-hitting but weak-covering safetys. Stallworth will earn his yards making McIntosh and London miss.

Posted by: Very Brady Bunch | October 24, 2007 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Hey I live in LA. Let me bring you up to date with what's been going on lately.

I am the god of hell fire, and I bring you
Fire, I'll take you to burn
Fire, I'll take you to learn
I'll see you burn

You fought hard and you saved and earned
But all of it's going to burn
And your mind, your tiny mind
You know you've really been so blind
Now 's your time, burn your mind
You're falling far too far behind
Oh no, oh no, oh no, you're gonna burn

Fire, to destroy all you've done
Fire, to end all you've become
I'll feel you burn

You've been living like a little girl
In the middle of your little world
And your mind, your tiny mind
You know you've really been so blind
Now 's your time, burn your mind
You're falling far too far behind
OOhhh
Fire, I'll take you to burn
Fire, I'll take you to learn
You're gonna burn, you're gonna burn
You're gonna burn, burn, burn, burn, burn, burn, burn, burn, burn, burn, burn

Fire, I'll take you to burn
Fire, I'll take you to learn
Fire, I'll take you to bed


You'e doin' a heck of a job (arthur) Brownie

Posted by: CORKCZAR | October 24, 2007 11:19 AM | Report abuse

You guys are such punks. I cannot believe how many posts I have seen suggesting dirty hits to injure Tom Brady.

Redskins offesne sucks so bad that even if Brady got hurt on the first play it would not matter Pats would still win by 3 TDs.

Jason Campbell=overrated BUM. No good QB throws for 73 yards and he has only thrown 2 career TDs to WRs. Maybe it is not just conservative joe gibbs holding the offense back?

Posted by: NFL fans | October 24, 2007 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Just to be clear when I talk about Moss, I will always mean Randy Moss. If I ever need to refer to the the mini-Moss, I'll refer to him as one-hit wonder kid.

Posted by: Very Brady Bunch | October 24, 2007 11:22 AM | Report abuse

How about if they keep Portis in for a couple of drives and then put Betts in for a couple of drives - with each of them relieving for each other if necessary?

Posted by: charlie | October 24, 2007 11:23 AM | Report abuse

That is a good one. That bum was never good for the jets and had one good fluke season with the redskins in 2005 and they call him a #1 WR here. He is a #2 at best and I would not even want him for that because he is never healthy and a whiny punk just like his buddy clinton portis

Posted by: one hit wonder | October 24, 2007 11:24 AM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: Anonymous | October 24, 2007 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Man, it's been awhile since I've been in here and everyone thinks the Skins are gonna lose. I love it! They're gonna play deep cover 2, knock the snot out of everyone in front of them and hope the offense can put some points on the board. Moss doesn't like to get hit and neither does Stallworth and the Reaper and kiL.L.er will make their presence felt early and often.

The best thing about Indy winning is that now everyone will be looking ahead to the Colts/Pats matchup. Shoot, there's already a graphic of Belichik and Dungy on ESPN.com. Not for nothing, but this is the best scenario for the 'Skins to play NE, even if it is in Foxboro.

I'm not predicting a win by any means, but if the W's were automatic then they wouldn't play the games.

Posted by: [cc] | October 24, 2007 11:36 AM | Report abuse

This was Bill Parcells' analysis, not mine. Greg Williams might play a different scheme from what Parcells would. If Williams decides to play cover 2, then this Sunday we'll find out how effective it is against Pats.

Posted by: Dik | October 24, 2007 12:48 PM | Report abuse

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