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Shawn Springs Due June 5

Washington Redskins cornerback Shawn Springs said he intends to report June 5 to Redskins Park after skipping the first two weeks of the voluntary organized team activities.
"I'm excited to get back in town and crack jokes with my teammates and catch up with my boys," he said. He added that he would have reported next week, but no OTAs are scheduled because of the Memorial Day holiday. They'll resume June 5.
Springs, who battled through a sports hernia injury last season and has had a history of injury problems, has been working out and rehabbing on his own in Arizona. He said his program will be completed and he will report for the final two weeks of OTAs. Minicamp is set for June 15-17.

By Cindy Boren  |  May 21, 2007; 7:28 PM ET
 
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1st!!!

Posted by: corey | May 21, 2007 7:31 PM | Report abuse

2nd

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2007 7:32 PM | Report abuse

No need to report June 5th. You'll be cut June 2nd.

Posted by: bigfish | May 21, 2007 7:35 PM | Report abuse

$10 says he hurts himself the first day of OTA's!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2007 7:36 PM | Report abuse

1,000,000,000 he will hurt himself...lol

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2007 7:48 PM | Report abuse

A while back I posted something about the AAFL, a new minor league coming next year, they have a poll going on now, asking where the public would like to see teams. Here is how it broke down.

Current stadiums getting AAFL Teams
The facilities include those of five universities (Purdue University, the University of Tennessee, North Carolina State University, the University of Florida and Florida State University), plus Ford Field in Michigan, the Alamodome in Texas, and Legion Field in Alabama.

1. Florida State 9.01%
2. Wisconsin 5.34%
3. TCU 4.92%
4. North Carolina State 4.82%
5. West Virginia 4.76%
6. Alabama 4.70%
7. Virginia Tech 4.29%
8. Florida 4.05%
9. Maryland 3.97%
10. Tennessee 3.95%

Posted by: 35332 | May 21, 2007 7:48 PM | Report abuse

There must be some explanation for Springs announcement and for showing up before necessary. Perhaps he got reassurance he would not be traded and figured he might as well join the Team at OTAs.

Posted by: Stumped | May 21, 2007 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Unless Rogers shows vast improvement, Springs is still, by far, our best corner. They did a good job improving the depth at the position this offseason but I still hope Springs can last all year.

Posted by: David | May 21, 2007 7:53 PM | Report abuse


Where's the luv for Shawn Springs? I didn't catch the Wash. Post Live show when he text messaged JLC with the news...I caught it on the regular Comcast sports show on the recap....when they said breaking news about Springs, I thought the Skins had cut him or traded him.

I'm not goin to hate on Shawn Springs too much. After reading Howard Bryant's article, you can understand why he wasn't going to take a pay cut. His father has huge medical bills and he doesn't want to end up the same way...out of the NFL and broke.

Plus he's still angry about trying to come back too soon last season and then indirectly blaming the coaches..ala LaVar.

Luv him or hate him he's the best CB that the Skins have right now...which isn't a good thing for the Skins.

Posted by: Baller4Life | May 21, 2007 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Seriously - I would love to keep him because when healthy he is a shut down corner and I don't see Rogers or Smoot stepping up to fill that void right away but I would venture to guess that he will plan on showing on June 5th because by then he will know whether or not he is a June 1st cap casualty cut.

Posted by: bigfish | May 21, 2007 8:00 PM | Report abuse

You know ESPN was eating this up. Its the first story link on their site. Way to give them more ammo to keep trashing the Skins.

"I don't know if he was fighting dogs or not, but it's his property, it's his dog," Washington Redskins running back Clinton Portis told WAVY-TV in Virginia. "If that's what he wants to do, do it. I think people should mind their business."

When told that dog fighting is a felony, Portis replied, "It can't be too bad of a crime."

Posted by: cdubb | May 21, 2007 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Can someone confirm that JLC also said that if Brunell isn't in condition to compete before mini camp that his contract can be voided with no penalty to the team? I hadn't seen that anywhere, but I just read it on ES and wanted to see if anyone else had heard him say that.

Posted by: JustMe | May 21, 2007 8:02 PM | Report abuse

You all know how much I love Springs so nothing else needs to be said from me. I'm thrilled.

By the way, Stumped, Shawn is not showing up earlier than anticipated. When all the hoopla was going on 2 weeks ago Shawn said he would be here in early June..

I was watching WPL and it looked like Jason texted Shawn to see when he would be back in DC and Shawn returned his text while Jason was on the air so he reported it at that time.

Posted by: Lisa | May 21, 2007 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Lisa has her fingers on the Redskin pulse.

Posted by: Stumped | May 21, 2007 8:12 PM | Report abuse

No, Stumped, I don't have my fingers on the Redskins pulse. This is just not extraordinary news. It was reported 2 weeks ago that Shawn said he would be here in June.

Posted by: Lisa | May 21, 2007 8:45 PM | Report abuse


I caught the tail-end of what JLC said about Brunell. I think he said if Brunell isn't fully recovered from surgery, then Collins could be moved to No. 2 and yes, the Skins would be able to cut him. Everything hinges on Brunell's health. My concern is No. 3...Bramlet is doing well in Europa and they drafted Palmer and have Hollenbach. They don't have many places to stash a No. 4 QB. JLC also repeated what we all know..Collins is Saunders' "boy" and he "trusts him to win a game when needed." Whatever.

Posted by: Baller4Life | May 21, 2007 8:49 PM | Report abuse

lisa, you have to tell me good places for veggie stuff. went to tea-ism today...veggie bento! not a fan.

Posted by: dealer | May 21, 2007 8:55 PM | Report abuse


Don't sleep on Hollenbach. Friedgen runs a pro-style type of offense at UMd, so Hollenbach isn't a bum.

Who's gonna be the next Skins coach...Cowher, Gregg Williams (unlikely I think), Russ Grimm, Marvin Lewis (via trading draft picks), or any other surprise y'all can come up with.

Posted by: Baller4Life | May 21, 2007 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Evening everyone!

I understand that CP wants to support Vick, but he could've done so by saying something along the lines of what Samuels was saying. What CP said was just wrong, and is going to bring all sorts of negative publicity, which we don't need.

Posted by: kost52 | May 21, 2007 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Baller4Life - I think that much like free agency, Dan Dan the Snyder man, likes to make a splash with his head coaches. If you look at the past few coaxing Joe out of retirement, coaxing Spurrier out of College, coaxing Schottenheimer out of retirement, all big splashes. So following that trend I think guys like Cowher, maybe even a run at Pete Carroll??

I like the idea of Grimm, I think he'd be a good choice, culture wise, and would get this team playing the type of football we all love to see our team playing, Redskins football.

I just don't think that a move like that, will get enough headlines for Danny boy!

Posted by: kost52 | May 21, 2007 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Your Washington Redskins QB depth chart:

Campbell - 1st
Brunell - 2nd
Bramlet - 3rd
Palmer - Practice Squad
Hollenbach - selling insurance
Collins - "asking to be traded to a team where he can have a chance to be the 2nd stringer"

Posted by: cload and daggar | May 21, 2007 9:39 PM | Report abuse

SS is healthy. He's hungry to prove himself to the doubters. If he stays healthy, he'll be awesome!

(Now is the best time to be wearin' them rose-colored glasses!)

Posted by: charlie | May 21, 2007 10:04 PM | Report abuse

what will sally jenkins write about now??

Posted by: aja | May 21, 2007 10:19 PM | Report abuse

what will sally jenkins write about now??

Posted by: aja | May 21, 2007 10:19 PM | Report abuse

kost52, I don't think it'll be a big splash. In fact I think continuity will mean more to Snyder and that's why Gregg Williams will be the next head coach. He'll take over after this season (coach the 08 season). It's the only reason he's still here, Snyder's given him that assurance.

Posted by: sincityskin | May 21, 2007 10:23 PM | Report abuse

sincityskin - I think that scenario all depends on how the defense plays this season. If we struggle again, I think Dan will pay him off, and look elsewhere. If the defense returns to it's '04-'05 levels, I have no problem with having Grilliams as HC. Even though he has a reputation as a hard a$$, it seems as though the players love him!

Posted by: kost52 | May 21, 2007 10:37 PM | Report abuse

I dont think Lavar or AA or Rocky loved him

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2007 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Fair enough point I guess, but I was talking more about the fact that players like Smoot and LFB were very keen to rejoin with him, and a guy like Antonio Pierce still keeps in regular contact with him.

Posted by: kost52 | May 21, 2007 11:38 PM | Report abuse

I think Double G is only owed $1 M, if not made the next head coach. That's nothing in the grand scheme of things.

Kost - Pete Carroll?! [shudder] As if Spurrier and Saban are not enough recent evidence of college coaches who cannot make the leap.

Posted by: Paps in Manila | May 21, 2007 11:42 PM | Report abuse

nothing about "getting back in town to work hard and train and win Lisa a Lombardi trophy... doesn't sound like springs expects to do much or be around much for that matter... I love Springs, this whole deal is sour. We gotta show love to our guys if we spend all that dough on FAs. (If you've been on the team for more than a year, you are "our guy"... let's be honest, there hasn't been a lot of stability on the roster these days)

Posted by: Dorf | May 21, 2007 11:44 PM | Report abuse

Yeah I know mate, didn't say it was something I wanted to happen. We have a couple who have jumped up this season, Petrino and Kiffin. But also don't forget Pete Carroll has at least been in the NFL before, and I'm not sure, but didn't he take the Pats to the playoffs? The one thing that throws doubt into my mind about Carroll is that in the past he's said only if he had total control, and I don't think Snyder wants to give that up, isn't that why Marty left?

Who knows, hopefully Dan actually speaks to Joe about the position, and get's his recommendation, and they do go with either Grilliams or Saunders. Just don't think it'll happen that way.

Posted by: kost52 | May 21, 2007 11:49 PM | Report abuse

I agree with your last statement -- just don't think its going to happen that way.

Carroll was one of the most underwhelming coaches in the NFL. Horrible manager of the clock. Never seemed to get the best performance out of his players. Those Pats teams had talent but always ended up with mediocre records.

Posted by: Paps in Manila | May 22, 2007 12:00 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of head coaches, I still can't get over that 35-year old Mike Tomlin is now head coach of the Steelers. I went to same college (William & Mary) as him, same years. Didn't know him personally, but knew of him being one of our football team's stars.

Tough to top that one at your next reunion.

Posted by: Paps in Manila | May 22, 2007 12:04 AM | Report abuse

Paps - Actually, reading what you just wrote, reminded me that Carroll inherited the Parcells Patriots didn't he. So there was some decent talent.

Posted by: kost52 | May 22, 2007 12:05 AM | Report abuse

Pretty young isn't it! Is there anyone on the team older than him?

Posted by: kost52 | May 22, 2007 12:07 AM | Report abuse

kost, from steelers.com, birthdates of Tomlin and the two eldest players on the current roster:

P Chris Gardocki - Feb 7, 1970
Coach Mike Tomlin - Mar 5, 1972
QB Charlie Batch - Dec 5, 1974

This is funny too. Current ages of the coaches on Tomlin's staff: 43, 44, 45, 47, 47, 51, 54, 54, 55, 57, 61, 69.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 22, 2007 12:49 AM | Report abuse

Another fellow older than Mike Tomlin: Junior Seau. Or maybe he should just go by Senior Seau?

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/nfl/05/21/bc.fbn.patriots.seau.ap/index.html

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 22, 2007 12:52 AM | Report abuse

I'm no fan of dog fights (though I did enjoy Amores Perros), I think Portis is out of line claiming Vick should just be left alone to do his thing, but ESPN is really out of line.

ESPN is currently running the Portis-supports-Vick story as their primary headline, and there is no mention of the news release Portis put out through the Redskins. It hurts the shock-appeal of their story, so they leave it out.

If Len Pasquarelli wasn't such an ardent supporter of the Redskins organization, I'd think the folks at ESPN were not only practicing shoddy journalism, but grinding an ax.

And this after last week's non-story that Springs and Taylor were missing OTA's, with no balanced reporting on the many other vets missing time on other teams.

Posted by: mugamack | May 22, 2007 1:35 AM | Report abuse

It bums me out to hear people trashing Shawn Springs-- having also come from Montgomery County (originally), it is something special to be playing for the team you grew up loving. It kinda sucks he sometimes gets a bum rap.

The bottom line is this: if SS could stay healthy, our secondary is golden. I think that Rogers is in for a helluva year, and I think having Smoot back is great (though I'd prefer to see him as #21 again... that's just me).

I'm curious to know why the Redskins got really defensive about not trading Rocky for Lance Briggs (I know, plus the draft pick swap). I think they seem some real room for growth there, though I think our linebacker corps is really solid without him (ahem, if Marcus Washington's hips don't lie).

~TDawg

Posted by: TDawg623 | May 22, 2007 2:33 AM | Report abuse

For what it's worth, I think Cowher in D.C. would be a big mistake. No doubt-- he did a great job in Pittsburgh, but I don't see him fitting in here so well. I'd like to see an internal promotion (Greg Williams wouldn't bother me too much).

What about Lovie Smith? Things looked icy in Chicago last season, did he resign for more than a year extension?

Posted by: TDawg623 | May 22, 2007 2:35 AM | Report abuse

TDawg, it's awfully hard to predict who'll be on the market when Gibbs leaves. And bear in mind Gibbs has said he'll stay through the full five years (far as I know he has maintained that every time it's come up), and there is a ton of turnover among league coaching ranks in a two-year period.

Do you not see Cowher meshing with Snyder, or the players, or what?

Watch your step with the Gregg Williams comments! jm220 has been quiet lately, but this kind of comment, bordering on praise, could cause him to leap up and offer a smack to the back of the head.

I think Grilliams will turn this D around this fall, but I agree with the widely held sentiment that players eventually tune him out. I am not rooting for him to take over for Gibbs. When that time comes, I want Grilliams to take that million dollar parachute and get out of town, continuity be damned!

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 22, 2007 2:49 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: The Crickets | May 22, 2007 4:06 AM | Report abuse

I am disappointed how JLaC threw Clinton under the bus. THE DUDE DIDNT EVEN COMMIT THE CRIME, he was just commentating. If it was stupid, then say so and move on. Portis was just talking out of the side of his mouth. He is not that important to play those comments over and over and over again.

JLaC, you may need to start letting your wife pick your wardrobe.......

Posted by: 4th Floor via Home Floor | May 22, 2007 7:12 AM | Report abuse

Somebody further up the thread mentioned that Sam Hollenbach isn't a bum and we shouldn't sleep on him. I am a Terps season ticket holder and got to see almost every home game Sam played and at least three away games, including last year's debacle in Morgantown.

He did play in Fridge's quasi-pro style system. However, he was baffled by it most of the time. He had serious issues performing in crunch situations and had serious decision making issues. I wish I had a nickel for every time I heard myself say, "Throw the ball, Sam!"

He has a decent arm and, when he does throw the ball is fairly accurate on mid-level and deep balls. He's also pretty mobile for a guy his size.

He will struggle with the complexity of Saunder's system and lacks the confidence to make a pro roster, IMO.

The Terp not to sleep on is Stephon Heyer. This guy is massive and pretty quick. Most pro squads passed on him because he had some fairly serious knee problems, but he is a monster and has tons of heart.

Posted by: Larry Bud | May 22, 2007 7:14 AM | Report abuse

Nate,
Allow me to clarify-- Greg Williams would DEFINITELY not be my first choice for taking over when Gibbs leaves. You're right, who knows what the market will be like?

It's not that I don't like Cowher, per se. My folks grew up in Pittsburgh and so I've defaulted the Steelers as my #2 team growing up (until I ditched 'em for the Browns a while back). No question about it-- Cowher is a pro, and still young to be an NFL head coach. I just think that he has other priorities-- his family is in NC, he's hitting the media circuit as an analyst, etc. etc. I think that his hard-nosed, big-jawed self would be welcome in D.C. (especially since we do have a decent proximity to Pitt, which brings familiarity), but for me-- agh, I just can't see him in burgundy and gold; or the as-usually annoying commentators on how now HIS best days are behind him, etc. etc. I'd hate to see the Skins become a team that is coached by "part twos" of really excellent HOF-quality coaching careers. Don't get me wrong, I like Cowher, I'm just nervous about his reception and the scrutiny. Perhaps he could stabalize the front office and get us a GM for goodness sake.

Someone I wouldn't mind seeing in DC would be Jeff Fisher from the Tennessee Titans (*ducks*). I heard that he wasn't too happy with his contract situation and in my humble opinion, in a vastly underestimatedly talented coach-- he's doing some good, smart, and PATIENT things with that organization. You watch, in the next couple of years when those rookies settle in, the Titans will be FEARED. And why? Smart, long-term planning, which is something we haven't had in Washington in a long time-- it's a boom or bust, always. This off-season has been so notable BECAUSE we've had restraint! I'm hoping that next year's draft will yield 2 or 3 quality defense guys in the first three rounds, then some sleeper workhorses at receiver and offensive line.

Oye, it's early/ late. Bed time.

Cheers,
TDawg

Posted by: TDawg623 | May 22, 2007 7:33 AM | Report abuse

By the way, Springs grew up as a Cowboy fan. He just lived in this area.

Posted by: The Truth | May 22, 2007 7:33 AM | Report abuse

I heard Springs broke his thumbs last night while text messaging...

Posted by: Injury prone | May 22, 2007 7:36 AM | Report abuse

Kids like winning teams-- I had a 49ers jacket. *sigh*

One of my wife's early lessons in Skins loyalty came as a child, watching the hogs take a beating to the Seattle Seahawks in the late 80s. Foolishly, she started routing for the Seahawks, only to watch the Skins make a comeback and win the game. She has never waivered since. Thankfully.

Hopefully SS has seen the light. The Cowboys and their mullet-sporting, excellent BBQ-eating selves are gonna get whooped this year. Or so I hope.

Hail the Punter Hunter!

Posted by: TDawg623 | May 22, 2007 7:39 AM | Report abuse

I heard Springs broke his thumbs last night while text messaging...

Posted by: Injury prone | May 22, 2007 07:36 AM

LOL.

Posted by: TDawg623 | May 22, 2007 7:41 AM | Report abuse

CP is a candidate for Mike and Mike's weekly "just shut up award"... SWEET.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | May 22, 2007 7:46 AM | Report abuse


OTAs, Portis:
Both dog of a news story
Off time breeds inane.

Posted by: HaikuMan | May 22, 2007 7:52 AM | Report abuse

Mike and Mike need to just shut up.

Why all this talk about the next head coach and no mention of Saunders? It's no coincidence that we pay to assistent head coaches what a head coach should get paid. When Gibbs came on board, I understood that the idea was to come up with a succession plan? Am I imagining this? I could be. But, I thought the idea was that even when Gibbs is done coaching, he would hand over the reigns to someone INTERNALLY and stick around in the head office. As much as all of you b*tch and moan about continuity in the locker room with a cap system where it is virtually impossible, more important is the continuity of coaching staff--which is something that the FO CAN control much easier because there are so few rules governing coach contracts etc. As a matter of fact, continuity in coaching staff is a huge reason why myself and I'd dare say Old School have so much confidence going into this season. Not only do we have many of the same coaches, one of them is Joe Gibbs.

Posted by: nyskinsfan | May 22, 2007 8:08 AM | Report abuse

What portis was trying to say is he is a libertarian. He thinks the gov. should stay out of vicks personal affairs. And for the dog fighting, I understand where he is comeing from, alot of kids who grow up in poor neiborhoods are exposed too alot of dog fighting. That does not make it right, but it does kinda feel strange when people make a huge deal over it and its something that was just accepted in the culture you grew up in. Odds are vick had no clue that it is a felony in va. Maybe this will help curve the non shalont attitudes about dog fighting. I have a pitt bull myself and he is a very sweet and loving animal, he is like part of the family, I would never intentially expose him to life threatning danger.

Posted by: Flim899 | May 22, 2007 8:11 AM | Report abuse

Portis stuck his foot in his mouth, period. He has been one of my favorite Redskins, but his comments are ridiculous. This brings more controversy to the team just when we were having a quiet offseason. If his view is that felony activities are a person'
s own business, then he should keep that view to himself for the good of his team.

Posted by: Jason | May 22, 2007 8:27 AM | Report abuse

I think we should starve Portis and Vick for a few days to make sure they're real hungry. We'll keep them in cages, and stop by every few hours to lash them on their flanks with the buckle-end of a belt and rub their noses with a bloody rag -- so they get a taste for blood and come to associate it with pain and an instinctual fight response, you see.

Then we'll put them in a ring and keep them there until one of them is dead or has his neck broken, at which point we'll scoop up the loser, douse him in rubbing alcohol, and light him on fire by the side of the road.

Oh, wait. That would be inhumane, and to do something like that would make us small, pathetic, overcompensating sociopaths.

Or wait! Maybe not! Maybe it's OK if we're from the wrong side of the tracks! Different values and all that. How could anyone blame us? You guys go get the belt, and I'll go get the bloody rag! (I'll just check Clinton or Mike's bathroom trash can. They must be overcompensating for *something*.)

Posted by: A Modest Proposal | May 22, 2007 8:33 AM | Report abuse

check out this article by kevin hench of fox sports. He basically says he hopes portis gets a major injury this year. Man the press is eating portis alive.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6836960?MSNHPHMA

Posted by: Brutus | May 22, 2007 8:35 AM | Report abuse

is jason related to the pc guy on the commercials about mac computers?

Posted by: apple guy | May 22, 2007 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Modest proposal, I understand your upset. But writng about starving black men, putting them in cages, lashing them, and burning them alive is taking it too far. I must remind you that it was not that very long ago when african americans were victims of those very types of sick crimes. As an african american myself, reading those words almost brought tears to my eyes. You modest, are no better than portis, becuase if you said those stupid comments (that I hope you did not mean)that you just wrote to the press, than your career, whatever it is, would be over. How can someone criticize another person for saying something stupid and cruel by writng something even more cruel and stupid. Modest, as far as I am concerned portis is a saint compared to you. And I hate dog fighting.

Posted by: Ticked off | May 22, 2007 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Yesterday, someone posted a link to something that said Clinton Portis is a "fish person." [Maybe that's right; doesn't quite sound like a "dog person."] Turns out that Byron Leftwich is definitely an ANTI-fish person and generally has a fear of fish. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/arash_markazi/05/19/qb.challenge/index.html

Posted by: dcsween | May 22, 2007 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Dear Ticked Off,

Run a google search on "A Modest Proposal." It's called satire, the whole point being that by grossly exaggerating a point you draw attention to flaws in reasoning and logic. I'm not going to post anymore b/c I have no interest in cruelty, and it would be cruel to injure such fragile souls as yours just b/c my comments might fly over the head of a fifth grader.

Posted by: A Modest Proposal | May 22, 2007 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Seriously, I thought this blog was above the he-said she-said 24 hour try to make nothing into something 24-hour news cycle. STOP TALKING ABOUT PORTIS. Now espn has got a hold of this and we'll never hear the end of it. This has nothing to do with football, and the more we talk about - the more of a distraction it will be and longer the stroy will live. Portis didn't hurt anyone and he didn't do anything. There is no story. Espn has even pulled Samuels in. Anything to bash the Skins I guess.

It's done. It's not a story. Lets talk about coaches. QB comparisons. Anything else. The reason I come to this blog is to talk about things other than what I hear and see on espn. Not to read elaborations, speculations, and Fox-style news debates on the same tired non-stories I see on espn.

Posted by: nyskinsfan | May 22, 2007 9:15 AM | Report abuse

dcsween, I heard last year that Portis has an enormous fish tank (aquarium) over his bed.

Posted by: Lisa | May 22, 2007 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Also (and I can't believe I even have to explain this), the treatment described in my "proposal" is exactly that accorded fighting dogs -- and not some twisted, psychopathic fantasy about hurting people.

Posted by: A Modest Proposal | May 22, 2007 9:17 AM | Report abuse

I'm not sure how serious that Portis interview was meant to be. I think that Portis was trying to make light of the situation but didn't realize how his comments would be taken. I like Portis, one of my favorite players, so at least I hope that he was just trying to be his normal self, nevering serious with the media, but I could just be kidding myself. It was clearly something very stupid to say.

Posted by: gethanr13 | May 22, 2007 9:22 AM | Report abuse

You know I could really care less what Portis thinks about dog fighting. It has absolutely nothing to do with football. Portis is not a politician you know, and he probably doesn't give a crap what the media thinks about what he says. He has every right to express his opinion, whether we agree or disagree. I just can't believe there isn't more interesting news out there.

Posted by: Max | May 22, 2007 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Ticked Off,

You are flat out wrong. This argument could be about Chris Cooley and Peyton Manning coming to his rescue at a press conference, and Modest Proposal would have written the same thing.

I understand what you're saying about slavery... and yes, it was an awful, unforgiveable thing, but to insinuate that Modest was making an analogy about slavery, is just horrible on your part.

Some people, and I'm not referring to any race or color or anything like that, will always just try to spin something in their favor (or disfavor) to feel slighted. STOP!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 22, 2007 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Taking a biiiiig step back, it's pretty nice that the biggest stories this Skins offseason have been:

* a proposed trade that didn't happen
* taking the best defensive player in the draft
* two guys showing up late to non-mandatory training activities
* a guy saying something really dumb about dogfighting

Did I miss something? What a great offseason!

This fall if we're just competent on the field we can sneak up on everybody and do some damage, precisely because we've been so far under the radar.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 22, 2007 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Getting Yeats up top and an homage to Swift down here, with a few doses of HaikuMan in between, is pretty impressive.

Way to go, blog!

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 22, 2007 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Dear A Modest Proposal,

Wow, a satire. I am glad I know what that is now. Just because you hide your racist remarks under the form of literary expression does not mean they are appropriate. I could write a poem about all the sick things we should do to racist people, but I don't believe in cruelty, nor do I feel it would be appropriate. I guess some people don't know where to draw the line. I'm glad your not posting anymore, your doing us all a favor.

Posted by: Ticked off | May 22, 2007 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Ticked Off, no offense but you missed Modest Proposal's point--what he described is exactly the kind of abuse that happens to a lot of these fighting dogs. It's the kind of abuse that CP says is OK because it goes on everywhere in the South. MP was just pointing out (rather effectively, I think) that CP wouldn't think it's not such a big deal if he was treated the same way that the dogs are treated. Black or white never entered MP's comments. I'll add that I'm not black myself, but if I were I'd probably be extremely disturbed that any animal could be abused in the same or similar ways that my ancestors were, which makes CP's comments disappointing.

I'll also say that I'm a huge CP fan and I think this was just a meathead comment that the sports press are completely blowing out of proportion.

Posted by: Hyper Bo Lee | May 22, 2007 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Esquire.com doesn't have the Portis article on-line, but I found lots of clips from it, esp. about the massive fish tank that is his headboard. The most interesting bit in this clip from the article http://journals.aol.com/dcsportsguy/pigskinbloggers/entries/2006/09/03/the-esquire-interview-clinton-portis/2157 is about the costumes (scroll down, its near the bottom), esp. about he was ready to quit doing it and some jokers on NFL.com said it was a distraction and that he was unfocused. It was THAT that prompted him to keep doing it. I think that is part of Portis' personality. Its that "don't tell me what I should or shouldn't do" part of his personae that underlies his remarks about Vick. I think his comments have almost NOTHING to do with dog fighting and EVERYTHING to do with "leave the guy alone". Its not necessarily libertarianism ... its good old American leave-me-alone-ism.

Posted by: dcsween | May 22, 2007 9:40 AM | Report abuse

It's funny that no one in DC seems to want to mention Clinton Portis' comments the other day. I first read them on PFT and now Fox, but no sign of them in the times or post. I for one (season ticket holder, been going since 8) have lost all faith in our blabbermouth running back. His condoning of dog fighting has left me no choice but to root on Ladell and hope Clinton is gone from the locker room by the end of this season.

Posted by: Billy881 | May 22, 2007 9:41 AM | Report abuse

"Taking a biiiiig step back, it's pretty nice that the biggest stories this Skins offseason have been:

* a proposed trade that didn't happen
* taking the best defensive player in the draft
* two guys showing up late to non-mandatory training activities
* a guy saying something really dumb about dogfighting

Did I miss something? What a great offseason!"

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 22, 2007 09:31 AM

*Dumping Arch Deluxe
*50,000 posts by Draft Day


Posted by: CC | May 22, 2007 9:41 AM | Report abuse

This off-season definitely has a different feel to it. It seemed like every year there was the unknown because there were so many new pieces to the mix.

As wierd as it sounds, even though they were 5-11 last year, I feel better about the upcoming year than I have in the past.

By the way, I found another Redskins fan that lives here in Cheyenne which is good beacuse we just lost one that is moving back east.

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | May 22, 2007 9:45 AM | Report abuse

1st!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Poochie | May 22, 2007 9:46 AM | Report abuse

I understand completely the point "A Modest Proposal" was trying to make. (I am not an idiot) I just thought it was very insensitve and showed a real lack of class. Satire or not, if modest was a celebrity and said the things that were written above on T.V., then modest would be chastized by everyone thats going after portis right now.

Posted by: Ticked off | May 22, 2007 9:48 AM | Report abuse

my butt smells

Posted by: Tickled off | May 22, 2007 9:55 AM | Report abuse

A Modest Proposal (potentially a reg blogger) - That was even more insensitive than what Portis said. F Satire. Portis comments were just as much Satire as your comments.

If you guys don't like Portis because of what he said, then you should have not liked him years ago. He's still the same 'ol Clinton to me.......

Posted by: 4th Floor | May 22, 2007 9:56 AM | Report abuse

"Satire or not, if modest was a celebrity and said the things that were written above on T.V., then modest would be chastized by everyone thats going after portis right now."

He would only be chastized by those in the public stupid enough not to understand satire.

Also, the race card was dealt by you Ticked Off, and noone else.

Posted by: PSF | May 22, 2007 9:57 AM | Report abuse

After Portis breaks off a 65-yard TD against Miami, I'll forget everything he said about dog fighting...

Posted by: CC | May 22, 2007 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Seems to me like a modest proposal is like Don Imus's remarks, and Ticked off is playing the Al Sharpton role. Lets drop this politically correct crap and get back to talking football.

Posted by: Mexico Dan | May 22, 2007 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Ticked Off,

I bet you're happy you aren't famous, because your comments have just surpassed CP's on the dummy scale...

Nothing Modest said is even remotely close to being labeled as "racist". What's now racist is you spinning his point into an angry, illegitimate agrument and calling him racist. The more you post on this subject, the more you look like an angry person that is constantly spinning anything and everything someone says into a "racist remark".

Posted by: Anonymous | May 22, 2007 10:00 AM | Report abuse

PSF - If your great-great grandfathers were treated as A Modest Proposal sugested, you would feel the same way. I felt the same way, to be honest....

Go back watch 'Roots' the Movie when Chicken George was cock fighting and his chicken was killed in the ring. He told that chicken, "Well, at least you're free now." And he still was a slave......

Posted by: 4th Floor | May 22, 2007 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Ticked Off let it go. You embarrass yourself more with each post.

Posted by: Is he/she serious? | May 22, 2007 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Every time I see the title of this post, I think, "wow, Shawn Springs is pregnant?"

That would be a great excuse for skipping the beginning of OTAs.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 22, 2007 10:08 AM | Report abuse

4th...not true. If my great-great grandfathers were treated that way, and I am as educated as I am today, I would still be smart enough to separate a satirical comment from an offensive one. Just my opinion...

Posted by: PSF | May 22, 2007 10:09 AM | Report abuse

The "satire" of Modest was not racist, I agree with that. But to be honest it was stupid and tasteless, I can't see how anybody could see that as funny.

Posted by: gethanr13 | May 22, 2007 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Hollenbach has potential...to be a practice squad junkie for a long time. Maybe he's a late bloomer, but I never saw anything special from him. Last year, he only played well enough for MD to not suck entirely. RBs carried the offense. The previous QBs to come out of MD were pretty solid college players (Shaun Hill & Scott McBrien) who could win games for you, but where are they now?

After some research, Shaun Hill is 3rd string in San Fran (Has taken a knee twice in his career) and Scott McBrien went to NFL Europe and was waived after playing there a bit.

Even Shaun Hill got kind of lucky to get picked up in the draft...simply because Mike Tice (MD alum) was the coach of Minnesota at the time. But the fact that he was good let him stay in the league this long.

Actually I'm kind of surprised that Shaun Hill never got a start anywhere, he was a pretty good QB. But Hollenbach couldn't play as well as either of those two guys. I don't think he's got a snowball's chance...

Posted by: Terps n Skins | May 22, 2007 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Nate, funny stuff, I thought the same thing.

Posted by: Brutus | May 22, 2007 10:11 AM | Report abuse

4th, I'm sorry, but I just don't see it. Take Portis and Vick out of the example, insert Cooley or Manning or any 2 WHITE people, and now do we have a problem? You CANNOT pull the race card just because the two people at question just happen to be black. It's just not fair.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | May 22, 2007 10:12 AM | Report abuse

What? Springs is pregnant? Lisa, you got some 'splaining to do!

Posted by: gethanr13 | May 22, 2007 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Ticked I don't know how old you are but 4th you're still a young man and I hope you are not going through life viewing everything through the prism of race. There was nothing racially insensitive about A Modest Proposal's post. The point was obvious. The fact that the principals are black was a by product of the circumstances.

4th like you I am an alum of an HBCU so I am sensitive to issues of race - whether overt or subliminal. This was neither.

Interestingly, you apparently miss the point about Chicken George's statement. He was comparing the rooster's plight to his own, i.e., death was better. Which takes us back to A Modest Proposal.

Posted by: LH | May 22, 2007 10:15 AM | Report abuse

I think the problem is that no one knows where to draw the line. Everyone sensitivity on specific issues is when the blog gets out of control.

For example - MY sensitivity level is lower when talking about dog fighting vs. talking about caging people, Satire or not.......

I suggest we opt to drop this and hope the media lets go of Portis and get back to the real story at hand - People who lived in Mike Vick's house was dog-fighting which is a felony in Va. All the while the Real Media is trying to find a way to desperately link Mike Vick to it so the can come down hard on him. Why? I am not sure, but when the media wants blood, they do their darndest to get it....

Posted by: 4th Floor | May 22, 2007 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Is this a Redskin blog or the Lifetime Movie Network blog?

Posted by: he said she said | May 22, 2007 10:16 AM | Report abuse

CP at the 40, 30, the 20, 10, TOUCHDOWWWN!! Who gives a pit bulls fanny what this kid says! He is paid to play! He made a ridiculous statement. HMMM, acting ridiculous, yeah something new for him... I hope he has a conscience chrisis over it, but who cares? He is not the one under investigation. Gosh, can we please just focus on the team, and our hope that is springing eternal in the offseason. I got a spin for you, what if CP was defending Mark Brunell who was under investigation for the same thing....

Posted by: Skins, anyone? | May 22, 2007 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Ticked off, I see your point. dont try to explain it to evereyone else, your just talking too brick walls. No one can understand why that would be offensive unless their ancestors went through what ours did. I dont think modest's comments were racist, but I understand why you feel that way. Everyone who is disagreeing are not trying to be mean. They just dont understand. I would just let it go.

Posted by: a brother | May 22, 2007 10:24 AM | Report abuse

I would not put two jewish people in a satire about being put in an oven, or a concentration camp. While the remarks were not racist they did show the authors lack of racial sensitivity.

CANT WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 22, 2007 10:32 AM | Report abuse

To continue from the story of some assistant coach sending a pornographic email to all GMs league wide and their secretaries......

"We've decided to disclose the names of the persons involved in the Friday e-mail fiasco.

Here's why. In announcing the new Personal Conduct Policy last month, the NFL pointed out that non-players would be held to an even higher standard than those who wear the uniform: "The standard of socially responsible conduct for NFL employees will be higher. Club and league employees will be held to a higher standard than players. Conduct that undermines or puts at risk the integrity and reputation of the NFL will be subject to discipline, even if not criminal in nature." (Emphasis added.)

It's not for us to decide whether the underlying actions in this case (i.e., the forwarding of a "very hard-core," as one league source described it, pornographic video clip via a team's e-mail system) justifies punishment. But how will the personal conduct policy as applied to non-players have any meaning at all if the issue is ignored?

So in the interests of breaking from an apparent effort by the "real" media to brush this one under the rug in the hopes of scoring points with a new coaching regime, we believe it's fair and appropriate to disclose that (via at least three NFL sources) the e-mail in question was inadvertently sent to multiple high-level team employees and their secretaries by offensive line coach Larry Zierlein of the Pittsburgh Steelers.

The e-mail message had been forwarded to him by Doug Whaley, the Steelers director of personnel. Whaley had received the video from someone outside of the organization, and Whaley forwarded it to multiple other persons, including Zierlein.

Again, it's not for us to decide whether this behavior runs afoul of the new personal conduct policy as applied to coaches and front office personnel. Assuming, however, that the NFL has a written policy regarding the use of company computer equipment for personal endeavors, the use of the steelers.com domain to forward the video in question surely was a violation.

There's also a strong strategic aspect at work here. As one source observed, if the ticket manager had done this, he'd already be out the door. With NFL-level offensive line coaches not readily available to be hired in late May, Zierlein will likely get a pass. Ditto for Whaley, a respected personnel exec and a key contributor to the success of the franchise over the past several years."

Posted by: 4th Floor via PFT | May 22, 2007 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Not brick walls, brother... please bear in mind that any disagreement here stems from the astonishment that some of us felt when Portis didn't take an opportunity to waltz into the end zone a hero by criticizing dogfighting. Instead he fumbled badly.

Sorry, but it's not okay for CP or anybody to condone a barbaric, illegal bloodsport! No, it isn't!

All the disagreement which has followed on this thread, among the blog peeps, is just us being us.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 22, 2007 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Portis is gonna have a lot of questions asked about the dog. At the beginning he'll be patient and answer those questions politely. But do you think that at some point he'll get annoyed with the dog and tell him to asnwer these questions himself?

Posted by: Thor | May 22, 2007 10:39 AM | Report abuse

"kids who grow up in poor neiborhoods are exposed too alot of dog fighting."(Flim899)

"dont try to explain it to evereyone else, your just talking too brick walls."(a brother)

both of these posters miused the word "too". I think I just found a double agent.

Posted by: Brutus | May 22, 2007 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Hi, just wanted to clear up that I'm an idiot. Anyone who thinks teaching dogs to maim each other by suspending kittens and bunnies in a sack is a depraved human being.

If I were a Skins fan I'd probably boo me when i come out of the tunnel this fall.

Posted by: Clinton Portis | May 22, 2007 10:39 AM | Report abuse

The only reason why racism will never die is because of people like "ticked off" who make big deals out of nothing. Vick and Portis are the two who are for dog fighting and fighting dogs are put in cages therefore you have the comparison. Let it go Sharpton Jr.

Posted by: Another Brother | May 22, 2007 10:42 AM | Report abuse

You know whats great? Somebody puts a preposterous notion on this blog about Portis and Vick. Obviously, its not going to nor should it happen. Duck, as another throws the race card. And a man who is under investigation for owning a place that had a level of cruelty towards animals that can not even be realized. I will not indict Vick, that is not for me to do. However, another makes a JACKASS statement that is so void of sensitivity that it shows his lack of compassion for an animals life. I have no tolerance for animal cruelty or someone who would make light of it. Lets stay focused on what happened and not some persons analogy of FICTION.

Posted by: The Reality | May 22, 2007 10:44 AM | Report abuse

kids who grow up in poor neiborhoods are exposed too alot of dog fighting."(Flim899)

"dont try to explain it to evereyone else, your just talking too brick walls."(a brother)

both of these posters miused the word "too". I think I just found a double agent.

Posted by: Brutus | May 22, 2007 10:39 AM

and I mispelled the word misused. Ah the irony, every time I critique a post, I end up screwing up myslf.

Posted by: Brutus | May 22, 2007 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Hollenbach is 6'4" and 214 pounds. I wonder how fast he can run. Might be nice to duplicate Randel El ... or maybe a shot at TE. Anybody know about the extent to which he is an "athlete" as opposed to a QB-only?

Posted by: dcsween | May 22, 2007 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Et too, Brute?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 22, 2007 10:50 AM | Report abuse

whats up RIers??? This whole Portis thing is just annoying and a whole bunch of people trying to be politically correct are gonna jump on his sh**. Portis is a " I dont give a f*** type of dude" and to throw the race thing out there, we had a running back a few decades ago who happened to be white, with the same attitude... anyone remember the crap Riggo said or did??? Who cares what he said??? How do you even know he was completely serious about it??? The guy dresses up for interviews for the love of god!!!

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | May 22, 2007 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Another Brother:

I have been asked by the Rev. Al Sharpton to convey his dissappointment that you would imply that Ticked Off is the fruit of his loins. He has authorized me to file a suit for libel for your publication of such a malicious untruth. An apology and a donation to the Reverend's Action Network will suffice to bring this ugly chapter to a close.

Posted by: Shapton's attorney | May 22, 2007 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Trying to link race to the issue is ridiculous. He clearly was referring to dog fighting and not the color of anyone's skin.

Anyone's attempt to draw parrellels is missing the point. As is anyone who suggests that watching animals kill each other on animal planet is idiotic. I've watched film of WW2 and yet don't think that makes it ok for me to pick up a gun and start killing people.

Furthermore if you are going to post an opinion put it on your normal tag. If you can't stand behind that opinion then you shouldn't be saying it.

Posted by: Skinz | May 22, 2007 10:53 AM | Report abuse

just logged on to read up on some good ole redskins news, but instead I have to filter through this dog fighting/racism crap. I just remembered why I never visit this site in the off season. See you in september.

Posted by: hokieskin | May 22, 2007 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Nate, nice.

Prediction: Saunders' love for Derrick Blaylock spells Rock Cartwright's roster spot. The same day they signed Blaylock, they also signed former Michigan State receiver, Kyle Brown (who was in Kansas City's camp last summer ... and who was a stud KR at MSU).

Posted by: dcsween | May 22, 2007 10:55 AM | Report abuse

No normal tag here

Posted by: tag chameleon | May 22, 2007 10:57 AM | Report abuse

C'mon, hokieskin, we're commenting on what passes for news these days. It's been a mercifully quiet offseason, and we're just trying to get by.

As far as 'real' news, as I mentioned above I'm GLAD there's virtually no news coming from the Park. Any news at this point would probably be bad news (injuries, contract tussles, stadium experience price increases, etc.)

As Gary Gnu famously said, "no gnus is good gnus."

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 22, 2007 10:58 AM | Report abuse

sween,

He is a decent athlete and his completion % is above 60% for his career. His lowest 40 time is 4.78 and his agiltity is good for his size. His short shuttle was 4.34 and his vert was 34 1/2".

He's definitely not fast enough for receiver and would have to gain at least 30lbs to play TE which would affect his speed, I'd think.

His big draw back as a QB is his decision making. He has 26 INTs over 2 years with 28 TDs. I saw him make some brilliat throws and some absolutely horrible ones. He struggled with Fridge's system the whole time he was there and he was there for 5 years.

He has a good arm

Posted by: Larry Bud | May 22, 2007 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Er, perhaps it was "no gnews is good gnews."

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 22, 2007 11:02 AM | Report abuse

I'm on the Great Space Coaster with you, Nate.

Y'all need to lighten up and talk football or something like early 80's kids TV shows.

Posted by: Larry Bud | May 22, 2007 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Goodman has posted his Sopranos blog:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/indexn?blogid=24

Posted by: Cindy | May 22, 2007 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Holy SH!T the Great Spacecoaster...

I cant beleive anyone else remembers that.

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | May 22, 2007 11:14 AM | Report abuse

I took a blog vacation and missed a whole week worth of Sean Taylor talk..DOH!

Modest Proposal, I can see where you were coming from with your post, but when you say something like that, you're bound to tick someone off. In this case, it happened to be Ticked Off, which was a neat coincedence, I think.

It's all good though, it sparks a healthy debate during a slow "gnews" week. At the end of the day we'll all share a big blog hug (Blug?) and pray for a winning season.

Sean Taylor once won a game of connect 4 after 3 moves. (gotta make up for lost time)

Posted by: etrod | May 22, 2007 11:16 AM | Report abuse

I guess everyone has to put in their 2 cents, huh? I am glad someone mentioned El Riggo. This dude does not need a radio show. He started bashing on CP as much as anyone else. Although, I think he is being used as a puppet by Gary Braun Kevin Sheehan.

Skin PAtrol - if it was our O line coach who sent that email, I really doubt that Gibbs would've got rid of him. Anyone else - maybe.....

Posted by: 4th | May 22, 2007 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Brings back memories | May 22, 2007 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Can some of you old folks explain this 'Great Space Roller Coaster'? When did I miss this?

Posted by: 4th Floor | May 22, 2007 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Can some of you old folks explain this 'Great Space Roller Coaster'? When did I miss this?

Posted by: 4th Floor | May 22, 2007 11:21 AM


around 1981

Posted by: etrod | May 22, 2007 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Is it a spinoff of Fraggle Rock? Or vice-versa?

Posted by: CC | May 22, 2007 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Man was it really 1981???

Now I DO feel old.

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | May 22, 2007 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: More Memories | May 22, 2007 11:25 AM | Report abuse

it was before Fraggle Rock. It was more of a sesame street knockoff than anything.

Posted by: etrod | May 22, 2007 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Good one, 4th. As if Bugel could work an e-mail machine!

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 22, 2007 11:26 AM | Report abuse

In 1981, I was the ripe ol age of 0 going on 1 year old. Did I make anyone else feel old by saying that? Ooops.....

Posted by: 4th | May 22, 2007 11:27 AM | Report abuse

I can picture Gibbs and Buges standing over an IMac like Zoolander and Hansel.

'The files are IN the computer!'

Posted by: etrod | May 22, 2007 11:28 AM | Report abuse

It was The Great Spacecoaster and the Electric Company when I was a kid.

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | May 22, 2007 11:28 AM | Report abuse

I think dog fighting is wrong, mmmm....k

Posted by: Chris Samuels | May 22, 2007 11:31 AM | Report abuse

For those meandering down Memory Lane

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e18_KL8PUYM

Posted by: LH | May 22, 2007 11:33 AM | Report abuse

NAte - I was the last person of my age get an email. I never understood it until I graduated from college back in '03 and the teachers' were saying I needed an email address to put on my resume.....

I feel sorry for that old guy. Just look at his picture. He's as old, if not older than out O Line coach...

http://news.steelers.com/team/coach/49256/

Posted by: 4th Floor | May 22, 2007 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Hey you Guys!

Posted by: etrod | May 22, 2007 11:34 AM | Report abuse

I loved the goonies. One of my favorite movies of all times.

Posted by: 4th | May 22, 2007 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Weird, I was just looking at the Steelers site last night, looking up some info after kost52 mentioned something about Tomlin's age.

4th, good for you, for being young and all.

I had the e-mail back in college, but the nascent interweb wasn't very interesting to me at that point. So I essentially spent the mid-90s offline, while some people I knew started web careers which made them rich. Doh!

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 22, 2007 11:41 AM | Report abuse

I'm ashamed of The Goonies.

Posted by: Sean Astin | May 22, 2007 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Another stroll down memory lane:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ez3nDlpqMhY

Posted by: etrod | May 22, 2007 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Nate, I was just kidding. I feel as old as everone else is. I'm married and on my 3rd kid. Wifey as been throwing up for 12 consecutives days so she hates me right now. I feel tired all the time. Work is never done (work/house/kids/wife and not in that order).

The Redskins' Blog has become my Fight Club.

Rule#1 - There is no Blog
Rule#2 - There is no Blog

Posted by: 4th | May 22, 2007 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Sean Taylor just jolted the ethos of the blog... unfortunately, it hit Portis in the knee; and we all know how painful that can be.
Clearly it was the percocet talking. Lotta inflammation up here, maybe cut off circulation to the brain.
We're working on getting circulation cut off to the vocal chords.

Posted by: cload and daggar | May 22, 2007 11:49 AM | Report abuse

This was some scary Saturday morning stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jsgrEcNbHg

Posted by: LH | May 22, 2007 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Ugh, 4th. I rode shotgun on a miserable first trimester of round-the-clock morning sickness which mercifully wound down a few weeks ago. Things are so much better now.

Be strong.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 22, 2007 11:56 AM | Report abuse

H.R. Pufnstuf always freaked me out. Sigmund was more my speed.

And Land of the Lost. And G Force.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 22, 2007 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Anonymous | May 22, 2007 12:01 PM | Report abuse

I just saw the Portis/Sameuls interview for the 1st time. I have to say this is much ado about NOTHING. I viewed his comments as pure 'sattire', Nothing more, Nothing less. That's why Sameuls was giggiling. He's from Alabama so I'm sure he understood where CP was going. Too bad everyone dosen't understand this but can be insensitive in other ways of other issues that I can't understand.

When the lady told him it's a felony, it seems like he was just implying that how the media is trying to portray Vick is not felony worthy.

I never saw him say that he condones dog fighting. He also said that probably police, judges, and politicians (included by Sameuls) have been involved at one time or another in dog fighting.

He was trying to lighten the situation up a little, but man, when you talk about pets/dogs, you get persucuted more than killing people in war for no good reason......

Posted by: 4th Floor | May 22, 2007 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Hey everyone: STOP KENNEDY-MCCAIN!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Poochie | May 22, 2007 12:15 PM | Report abuse

If you jokers really wanna take a trip down memory lane, anyone remember "Mr. Boogedy" or "The Bride of Boogedy"?? Oh, snap!!!

Posted by: Bill O'Reilly | May 22, 2007 12:17 PM | Report abuse

snippit -

" "Things happen so much quicker inside," Wade said. "If your hands split and the guy gets to your shoulder, it's tough to stop him. Cornelius is strong, but he's also very quick with his first steps. You need really good technique and hand placement to stop someone like that moving with that force.
"You say that OTAs are noncontact, but I'm going as hard as I can and so is the guy on the other side of the ball. Everyone's pretty bruised up. I'm not hitting with my helmet, but I'm hitting as hard as I would with my hands."
"

Read whole article here.....

http://www.washtimes.com/sports/20070522-123251-7107r.htm

Posted by: 4th Floor | May 22, 2007 12:20 PM | Report abuse

How many of you guys (JLaC included) knew that Sameuls had Sports Hernia Surgery in MArch?!?!?!?!?!

Posted by: 4th | May 22, 2007 12:23 PM | Report abuse

The Truth said something above which stuck in my craw, 7:33am blogtime, about how Shawn Springs grew up a Cowboys fan.

His dad played for the Cowboys, for goodness' sake! He was a Cowboy when Shawn was ages 4-9! OF COURSE Shawn grew up a Cowboys fan!

Ahem.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 22, 2007 12:24 PM | Report abuse

I think that we need to stop looking at our athletes as moral authorites. Most athletes are just as flawed as you or me, so people need to relax about CP or other making these comments after being asked over and over again by reporters who are trying to get him to say something stupid so they have a story.

I am going to give CP the benefit of the doubt this time. I don't know in what context his comments were made. Besides, I think most of us would consider most of what he said to be accurate. We have wars going on all over the world, where thousands of people are dying. We have shootings every day, where thousands of people are dying. Although I have had a dog my entire life, and I surely do not condone dog-fighting, it is a reality that most of us value human life over animals (except for PETA).

Don't be so quick to judge.

Posted by: BT | May 22, 2007 12:27 PM | Report abuse

1) It really scares me to think of our secondary without Springs. Rogers stinks amd smoot, well, we just don't know yet. If he was that good he would still be in Minn.

2) Oh snap! your girl is back! Tiffany Rayne has returned with a vengeance. From naughty babysitter to backdoor all star. This "girl next door" is anything butt that. Simply fabulous.

Posted by: Bangbros | May 22, 2007 12:32 PM | Report abuse

I did not even know Springs was pregnant. My wife is due May 30th, were having a little girl. Any idea what Springs is having?

Posted by: Nolan Davis | May 22, 2007 12:38 PM | Report abuse

OK, How many people with pregnant wives/significant others'?

1) 4th Floor (3rd)
2) IM (2nd, I think?)
3) Nate (2nd??)
4) Springs (1st or 2nd??)
5) Nolan Davis (?? Girl on way)

Anyone else I am missing?

Posted by: 4th Floor | May 22, 2007 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone think that the off-season work with Darrell Green and Deion Sanders will help Carlos Rogers? It definitely can't hurt. I am hopeful that he will improve this year.

Posted by: bigfish | May 22, 2007 12:51 PM | Report abuse

"H.R. Pufnstuf always freaked me out. Sigmund was more my speed.

And Land of the Lost. And G Force."

-Nate

Hell yeah! Puffin' Stuff was a long strange trip. Little brittish dude plays his magic "pipe" and then goes to some weird alternate world where the hero is basically a walking "legalize it" muppet and then he gets chased by the wicked witch from Wizard of Oz.

Land of the Lost was always cool with the obvious, cheesy puppet animation (waterfall scene?), until the sleestaks all of a sudden became good guys. Then it got lame. (No irony intended)

Posted by: Larry Bud | May 22, 2007 12:52 PM | Report abuse

My significant other is pregnant, but he's not due till, like december of '09.

Posted by: Larry Bud | May 22, 2007 12:55 PM | Report abuse

The male sleestak gestation period is about 2 1/2 years.

Posted by: Larry Bud | May 22, 2007 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Shouldn't Clinton be more concerned with his rehab and his upcoming training camp battle with Ladell than with Michael Vick's problem? No pun intended, but Portis has no dog in that fight.

Posted by: Earnest Byner | May 22, 2007 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Nate,

What about Grape Ape? And Jabba Jaw?

Posted by: Larry Bud | May 22, 2007 12:58 PM | Report abuse

OK, gotta chill. Too many B-vitamins this AM.

Posted by: Larry Bud | May 22, 2007 12:59 PM | Report abuse

I'll have to hurry if I want to get Springs that Staubach bobble-head as a shower gift.
That third trimester is always rough.

4th FLR, thanks for the football injection.

Posted by: Stumped | May 22, 2007 12:59 PM | Report abuse

I agree with coach, Clinton's just having fun and haven't we all put our foot in our mouths. Clinton's has 2years of running into brick walls left at the most before he'll be totalled.

Posted by: stick75 | May 22, 2007 1:03 PM | Report abuse

bigfish, Stumped, could you dudes drop me a line at nateinthepdx at gmail dot com when you get a chance? Thankee.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 22, 2007 1:04 PM | Report abuse

No problamo. But no one took the bait on real sports news (Sameuals Sports Hernia Surgery)...

Posted by: 4th | May 22, 2007 1:05 PM | Report abuse

line dropped.

Posted by: bigfish | May 22, 2007 1:07 PM | Report abuse

We're waiting for Jasno to confirm it. And since he is coming to the party late, it had better be confirmed by manual inspection.

"He died checking a 350 lb. man for a sports hernia"

Posted by: cload and daggar | May 22, 2007 1:10 PM | Report abuse

4th, our second is due in November. Which is good since, you know, there's not a lot going on that month...

11/4 at NY Jets
11/11 Philadelphia
11/18 at Dallas
11/25 at Tampa

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 22, 2007 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Nate -- if you've got something stuck it your craw, we can send Sean Taylor over to knock it loose.

Posted by: cload and daggar | May 22, 2007 1:14 PM | Report abuse

While my wife hasn't gone for her 1st check up yet, we are anticipating a Super Bowl Birth. The last one came during the infamous 5 game winning streak as did IM's (I believe). So we are anticipating good things this year, if you catch my drift.....

Posted by: 4th | May 22, 2007 1:16 PM | Report abuse

But then I'd have to deal with a busted craw.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 22, 2007 1:16 PM | Report abuse

No pun intended, but Portis has no dog in that fight.

Posted by: Earnest Byner | May 22, 2007 12:57 PM

That pun was definately intended

Posted by: gethanr13 | May 22, 2007 1:20 PM | Report abuse

I agree with everything this guy said. Portis is an ass. Too bad, I used to kind of like the dress-up antics.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6836960?MSNHPHMA

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | May 22, 2007 1:30 PM | Report abuse

bigfish

"Does anyone think that the off-season work with Darrell Green and Deion Sanders will help Carlos Rogers? It definitely can't hurt. I am hopeful that he will improve this year."

Does Rogers have their speed?

DG and DS aren't Skins staff are they?

Posted by: Stumped | May 22, 2007 1:31 PM | Report abuse


I had forgotten about Jeff Fischer/Fisher. I wouldn't mind seeing him be the next Skins coach. But it creates a situation with Double G Williams...could his ego take being second in command again, esp. to Fischer/Fisher again? He'll get that $1M that's in his contract if he's not the HC..not sure if that can cure his feelings of getting passed over.

What will do they do with Saunders? I hope he doesn't get HC consideration. He's like Norv, IMO...great O-coorinator, but not a good enough HC.

As good as Pete Carroll may be, he's a two-time failure of sorts as an NFL head coach. He couldn't win with the Jets and had so-so success at New England. He doesn't appear to strike fear into players. As much as I knock Gibbs about be soft, I didn't know til the end of last season that most Skins players are usually afraid to approach him. Portis became a defacto spokesman for the players.

After the dog fighting interview, the Skins players need to re-evaluate him being a leader or "spokesman" for them. Also, he doesn't want to be a leader based on what he said in his interview in January with John Thompson. Leadership was dropped on his shoulders by teammates because they were too scared to talk to Gibbs on one-on-one about stuff.

I think Gibbs will stay on as Pres. of Ops. He yields a lot of power with that and it would be odd for him to give it up. Also, he needs to be with the Skins in some way because he has to entertain his Nascar sponsors.

Posted by: Baller4Life | May 22, 2007 1:32 PM | Report abuse

4th Floor:

6) Joe in Raleigh (1st on the way)

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | May 22, 2007 1:37 PM | Report abuse

That Hench dude set fire to CP's arse.

Posted by: LH | May 22, 2007 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Stumped - No Rogers does not have their speed but working out and getting pointers from two future HOF Corners can't have a negative effect. Can't a brother have a little hope?

Posted by: bigfish | May 22, 2007 1:39 PM | Report abuse

LH, Hench = hemmy

Posted by: dcsween | May 22, 2007 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Congrats Joe! Sorry I missed that....

Is the little one coming during the season as well? I smell good luck a coming this season.....

Posted by: 4th | May 22, 2007 1:41 PM | Report abuse

You wanna see a real cool athletic event? Check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7f1Aa-Y1x0
The wheeler has spinal bifida.

Oh, and athletes are known for their prowess on the field. Only a handful are known for their prowess off the field. You know, like actors who think that being rich somehow makes them smarter than the rest of us plain ole hoomans.

Posted by: Neil in Durango | May 22, 2007 1:46 PM | Report abuse

I know Pete Carroll is now a certified coaching genius, but I was in New York for the Jets years and, because of TV rules, had to watch their games. He was horrendous.
I openly admire JFish as a coach. I was pretty excited about the Titans' chances this year until the QB appeared on the Madden box. I jumped off that ship like it was the Lusitania. Sorry, JFish.

Posted by: Cindy | May 22, 2007 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Thanks. Due in October.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | May 22, 2007 1:49 PM | Report abuse

bigfish,

Hope Springs eternal (pun intended).

I just reviewed the CB roster. The D may surprise us all this season (dominant).

And our big ace in the hole is all the knowledge the coaching staff brings...

Posted by: Stumped | May 22, 2007 1:49 PM | Report abuse

7) dcsween (3rd pair of xx on the way)

On the topic of childrens' programming for us, what was the deal with "no moms"? First, My Three Sons (no mom, Uncle Charlie in an apron), then Family Affair (no mom, instead, Brian Keith's he b!tch/gentleman's gentleman, Mr. French), then Courtship of Eddie's Father (no mom, Asain Au Pair Mrs. Livingston), and then Land of the Lost (no mom, just Marshall, Will, and Holly). What was THAT all about?

Also, glad to see that we are approaching actual discussion of the Skins again.

Posted by: dcsween | May 22, 2007 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Joe in Raleigh- Congrats on #1 on the way. I was in your shoes this time last year (she arrived in December). Any fear, panic, or general feelings of "HOLY SHTI" you might be having...don't worry, they'll only get worse! But when you first see your little one, that all goes away. Amazing how that moment changes your life for the better!

Posted by: 4-12 | May 22, 2007 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Are there any expected cuts on or about June 1. I've heard theories but I am wondering if there are any "no doubt about it" cuts in the next week or two.

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | May 22, 2007 2:04 PM | Report abuse

sween, don't forget "Full House," "My Two Dads," "Three Men and a Baby" and "Two and a Half Men," as later (and even more execrable) examples of the phenomenon you mention.

The most sensitive treatment of the 'no mom' situation I've seen in pop culture has been Michael's devoted single parenthood of George Michael in "Arrested Development."

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 22, 2007 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Cheyenne,

What are the theories you've heard? Last year, I seem to recall June 1st coming and going without much happening. There doesn't seem to be any indication that it will be any more eventful this year. So, if you've seen something to the contrary, please share.

Posted by: JustMe | May 22, 2007 2:09 PM | Report abuse

I too am having a baby. A very conservative NON-secular progressive liberal hating baby at that.

Posted by: Bill O'Reilly | May 22, 2007 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Most of the talk I have heard comes from ideas thrown out in here. Maybe "theories" was a bad choice of words.

I know the media there in the area will get more specific with cut possibility talk than they will in exotic Cheyenne, WY.

I am mainly wondering what the talk is in the area there.

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | May 22, 2007 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Was Disney responsible for any of the TV shows you guys are talking about (re: no moms)? I won't even purchase a lot of their movies for my son because I'm exhausted with them killing off the mothers in so many of them. You'd think they'd be able to find ways to entertain children without traumatizing them first.

Posted by: JustMe | May 22, 2007 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Other "non mom" shows.

Silver Spoons. Although his dad ended up marrying his secretary who IMO was pretty hot back then.

Different Strokes. Whatchoo talkin bout Willis! Mrs. Garret was the motherly figure in that one.

Posted by: bigfish | May 22, 2007 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Justme,
My kids just watched Finding Nemo.

...Mom and 3,999 sibling (eggs) are dispatched in the first 5 minutes.

Grimms Fairy Tales and Disney have a lot in common (trauma). Then come the bad dreams...crying in the middle of the night.

And so it goes.

Posted by: Stumped | May 22, 2007 2:19 PM | Report abuse

A little bit o' breaking news:
The 2011 Super Bowl will be played at the Dallas Cowboys' new stadium in Arlington, Texas. Indianapolis and Arizona also bid for the game.
NFL owners voted Tuesday for the North Texas group, which had Hall of Famer Roger Staubach lobbying on its behalf. The Cowboys' $1 billion stadium seats more than 100,000 and will open in 2009. It has about 27,000 more seats than the other stadiums involved.
The Indianapolis bid featured the Colts' domed stadium opening in 2008 and was backed by a Top 10 list by David Letterman. Arizona hosts the 2008 Super Bowl on Feb. 3 and hosted the 1996 Super Bowl in Tempe.
Texas has hosted the Super Bowl twice -- in Houston in 2004 in the Texans' new stadium and in 1974 at Rice Stadium. Indianapolis also lost to Minneapolis in bidding for the 1992 game.

Posted by: Cindy | May 22, 2007 2:20 PM | Report abuse

OK, I'll take 3 more more years of no playoffs right now if we can guarantee a spot in the Jerry Jones Super Bowl.

Posted by: 4-12 | May 22, 2007 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Yeah - Right around the corner from me. Redskins Superbowl for 2011 baby!!

Posted by: bigfish | May 22, 2007 2:26 PM | Report abuse

CP retracted the statement. Can someone comment on that?

Posted by: come on | May 22, 2007 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Burgundy and Gold inundating that city for 2 glorious weeks....

Posted by: 4-12 | May 22, 2007 2:26 PM | Report abuse

The redskins actually have a pretty decent fan based down here from what I've seen. We all gather at a bar in Plano every Sunday during the season for the games.

www.dallasredskins.com

Posted by: bigfish | May 22, 2007 2:29 PM | Report abuse

The owners were in it for the $$. We gotta make the SB that year to ruin there party.....

Sween, did you say you are on your 3rd pair of girls? Whoa momma!!
Date?

4-12 - What was our record during the month your daughter was born?

My accounting senses are telling me a super season is coming for the 'Skins that might end up in 'bowling' for something special...

Good work on impreganations bloggers........

Posted by: 4th Floor | May 22, 2007 2:30 PM | Report abuse

we are actually on numero tres!!! And my youngest was born a few weeks before the 5 game winning streak. I remember going to the game here in STL (where the "streak" started) and she was only a few weeks old... man did we stick it to the Rams that day!!!

My wife was sick more this time than in the past, but we think its b/c we are having a boy (the first two are girls). And thank God he is due during the bye week, now if he's a few days early... we got problems!!!

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | May 22, 2007 2:31 PM | Report abuse

And even better if we could stomp the cowgirls in the NFC title game in DC to get to the SB!

Posted by: gethanr13 | May 22, 2007 2:31 PM | Report abuse

No it would be even better if the cowgirls went 0-16 that year!

Posted by: ce1782 | May 22, 2007 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Stumped,

My kid has seen Nemo a million times and thinks it begins with his first day of school.

Posted by: JustMe | May 22, 2007 2:34 PM | Report abuse

ce1782,

I stand corrected, indeed that would be better, but I think it would still be sweet to see the cowgirls get so close to having a home game for the SB and then we crush all of their hopes.

Posted by: gethanr13 | May 22, 2007 2:37 PM | Report abuse

4th- They went 1-3 after she was born... no help at all.

Posted by: 4-12 | May 22, 2007 2:37 PM | Report abuse

When my first was born we went 6-10. When the second was born we went 7-9. Good thing we won't be expecting another unless it's adopted.

Posted by: bigfish | May 22, 2007 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Congrats to all the expectant fathers and mothers on this blog. May your child be healthy, and may your wife/girlfriend have an easy delivery.

Regarding Portis, he said something stupid. Nothing more. Nothing less. There have been worse things said, and there will BE worse things said. Much ado about nothing. Nothing to see here...keep moving....

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | May 22, 2007 2:41 PM | Report abuse

No worries since that was during the 'learning games' for Campbell.

Can we skip to the 2010/11 season right now? That would be awsome.

Gibbs 2.4 and Buges are not allowed to leave until after the Dallas SB...

Posted by: 4th | May 22, 2007 2:41 PM | Report abuse

bigfish...which bar? My father lives in Wylie, and I only go down there when the temp drops below triple digits, ie football season...

Posted by: PSF | May 22, 2007 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Does getting a new dog count? If so, I did that last year and we went 5-11. No more damn animals or kids for this house!

Posted by: bigfish | May 22, 2007 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, just checked the website...

Posted by: PSF | May 22, 2007 2:44 PM | Report abuse

gethanr13,

You're right, it would be great to see the skins crush their dream of playing at home. I'll take an 0-16 season for the girls this year instead.

Posted by: ce1782 | May 22, 2007 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Winning a Super Bowl in Dallas would be sweet beyond words. To see little Danny hoist the Lombardi above his head while Jerrah lurks in the shadows would be one of the funniest things ever.

Posted by: JustMe | May 22, 2007 2:45 PM | Report abuse

It would be great for the Skins to play in the SB in that stadium, but as long as the Cowboys are not NFC champs that year I'll be happy. The thought of seeing them and their fans -- and their plasticized owner -- back in the SB... *shudder*

It would also be great to christen the new stadium (2009 season) with a nationally broadcast Cowboys-Skins game in which we resoundingly defeat them, by way of welcoming the head coach who replaces Wade Phillips.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 22, 2007 2:46 PM | Report abuse

sween- Just went back and saw your "3rd pair of xx". Is that:

1) your 3rd set of twin girls? (*gulp*) or
B) your 3rd daughter? (*gulp* as well!)

Posted by: 4-12 | May 22, 2007 2:48 PM | Report abuse

PSF - Austin Avenue Grill and Sports Bar in Plano.

Go to www.dallasredskins.com

Posted by: bigfish | May 22, 2007 2:49 PM | Report abuse

NAte a bet you a Gazillon Smackaroos that we will be playing the Cowboys 1st (1st!) in that stadium in '09 just as the 'girls played us in our home opener in the town formally known as Raljon.......

Posted by: 4th Floor | May 22, 2007 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Or the league could set up a Thanksgiving game between the Skins and Boys in 2009? Wasn't Spurrier the coach the last time we played on Thanksgiving? And didn't he "guarantee" a victory in Dallas? And we talk about CP sticking a foot in his mouth...

Posted by: CC | May 22, 2007 2:56 PM | Report abuse

And it was versus the Cowboys that we closed RFK, wasn't it?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 22, 2007 2:57 PM | Report abuse

You are correct (Correction - I was actually not 1st (1st!) but just claimed to be 1st (1st!) and was actually 2nd (2nd!) in mentioning us playing them in their new stadium opener)

Where is the Blog Police or Ref when you need him or her??

Posted by: 4th | May 22, 2007 3:03 PM | Report abuse

I may be a little late on this but did anyone see the interview on Redskins.com with Chris Samuels? He and Portis were clearly joking about the whole dog fighting thing. Portis is supposed to be on the NFLN later today. This little thing has been blown way out of proportion.

Posted by: bigfish | May 22, 2007 3:14 PM | Report abuse

bigfish, have you been to a Boys-Skins game in the Stadium With the Hole in the Roof? How were you treated as a visiting fan? Any war stories or shenanigans to report?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 22, 2007 3:19 PM | Report abuse

I haven't been to one yet but plan on going to my first this year. I haven't been here for too long. My kids and I do wear our Redskins jerseys/shirts, etc. all of the time down here and the Cowboys fans aren't bad. I've been out shopping on a few occasions with a jersey on and ran into other skins fans with a jersey or hat on or something and it can be compared to running into a family member that you haven't seen in a decade. It always seems to make for quite a scene.

Posted by: bigfish | May 22, 2007 3:26 PM | Report abuse

My 5 year old son does get us some dirty looks sometimes. Every single time he sees that grey star he yells out "Booo Cowboys".

Posted by: bigfish | May 22, 2007 3:29 PM | Report abuse

COWBOYS #1, ALWAYS WILL BE BETTER THAN STUPID SKINIS AND THEIR SAD, WHINEY FANS!!!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 22, 2007 3:38 PM | Report abuse

ITA

Posted by: gethanr13 | May 22, 2007 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Even when I was a little kid, I always thought HR Puff... was so stupid and I could never watch it more than a couple of minutes. Pox on those that brought it up on this thread.

Anyways...I love animals but CP is not an authority on this kind of stuff. He tried to make a point very badly. Big deal. He's just a football player.

I think he'll be a little more selective on how he opines on subjects outside his expertise.

Posted by: charlie | May 22, 2007 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Bachelorette #3 is expected next month. Three weddings (theirs) and a funeral (mine) ... although I would be cool with one wedding and two commitment ceremonies ("not that there's anything wrong with that") ... as long as they're happy.

Thinking about Byron Leftwich's fear of water, and more specifically, fear of fish (see link above, 9:07AM) based on his reasoning that fish generally hold a grudge against humans, did anyone else see The Office when they went to the beach and Creed caught a fish by hand and ate it raw?

Posted by: dcsween | May 22, 2007 3:54 PM | Report abuse

I think Leftwich is more concerned about what fish actually do in the water...

Posted by: Neil | May 22, 2007 4:11 PM | Report abuse

dcsween, I was SURE that we were about to have girl number 3... My wife is the one of 4 girls and her mom is one of 6... 6 girls!!!!

the estrogen runs freely in my house.

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | May 22, 2007 4:18 PM | Report abuse

I guess Clinton Portis is the only football player who has ever said something stupid...

Posted by: Max | May 22, 2007 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Max, you don't have to be Norman Einstein to agree with that statement.

Posted by: dcsween | May 22, 2007 4:25 PM | Report abuse

My name is Inigo Montoya.
I shoot the x chromosome.
Prepare to birth my daughter.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 22, 2007 4:35 PM | Report abuse

I would hateto be in your house IM. Surely, some of them have to be Tomboys?

After today, I am CP'd out. I hope he keeps his mouth shut in the future and just talk football. Like Vick said, if it ain't about football, then don't ask me the question that will not get an answer......

Posted by: 4th Floor | May 22, 2007 4:37 PM | Report abuse

On ESPN about an hour ago, Vick was asked several questions, which he answered along the lines of how much everybody loves ME. When asked if he would be exonerated re the dogs, he replied, "No comment."

Posted by: Neil | May 22, 2007 4:42 PM | Report abuse

HAIL TO THE COWBOYS

HAIL LOSERY

Posted by: Anonymous | May 22, 2007 4:43 PM | Report abuse

4th floor, yeah one of my sister-in-laws is a sports fan and pretty decent with a ps2... but at the end of the day its only a small token of relief.

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | May 22, 2007 4:48 PM | Report abuse

TERRELL OWEN...NO COMMENT LOL


MUCHAEL VICK... NO COMMENT LOL

Posted by: Anonymous | May 22, 2007 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Muchael Vick sounds like a venerial disease.

Posted by: TDawg623 | May 22, 2007 4:56 PM | Report abuse

My name: Montoya;
I shoot the x chromosome,
Prepare for daughters.

Posted by: Haiku Repair Center | May 22, 2007 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Michael Vick is screwed. He should have figured out that the appropriate response to those questions is "NEXT QUESTION!"

Posted by: dcsween | May 22, 2007 5:24 PM | Report abuse


Race issues, babies,
Dog fights, and cat fights prompt film:
Bloggers Gone Wild*

(I'm Southern, so that IS a two syllable word!)

Posted by: HaikuMan | May 22, 2007 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Which word is two syllables?

Gone or Wild?

Posted by: 4th | May 22, 2007 5:27 PM | Report abuse


Wild, as in "why-uld," y'all.

Posted by: HaikuMan | May 22, 2007 5:31 PM | Report abuse

That's "wah-yalled"

Posted by: Neil | May 22, 2007 5:31 PM | Report abuse

We're pushing 250 comments on this thread with basically nothing to go on, unless you consider the regurgitation of the bitey dog thing something (I don't).

100k should be a breeze.

Posted by: Stumped | May 22, 2007 5:33 PM | Report abuse


Well done, Neil! Much better rendering....

The Blog Poet Laureate salutes you! (Er, and so do I!)

Posted by: HaikuMan | May 22, 2007 5:33 PM | Report abuse

I like your confidence, Stumped, and I'm thrilled that we're at 251, but we must guard against overconfidence!

Posted by: Cindy | May 22, 2007 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Agreed, Cindy.

We're going to have to look deep down inside for inspiration and strength, redouble our efforts, be the best doggone blog peeps we can be! The march to 100k depends on each and every one of us doing his or her part!

Onwards and upwards, comrades!

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 22, 2007 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Had a question for you, Cindy... have any of the other WashPo blogs experienced the same ugliness that we've seen sporadically up here? Not run-of-the-mill differences of opinion, I mean the spates of extreme vulgarity, meanness, and so forth.

Wondering if the open format has invited the same problems on other blogs that we've experienced now and again, or if RI is somehow special in this regard. Just curious since I know there are other very busy blogs on the site.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 22, 2007 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Rise up hamsters!

Posted by: Stumped | May 22, 2007 6:04 PM | Report abuse

kost52- Happy belated 30th, mate. I suspect you'll be joining us from tomorrow morning any time now. Did you partake of many of Australia's finest brews? A quick search of the interwikiweb shows me a "Hemp Premium" Down Under. Do tell....

Posted by: 4-12 | May 22, 2007 6:07 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand why the blogs aren't set up in the same way your ability to comment on an article on the site is set up. When you post a comment about an article, the name displayed is the one the user created to register with the site. I would think it should be simple enough to make the blogs work the same way.

Posted by: JustMe | May 22, 2007 6:09 PM | Report abuse

JustMe, I'm guessing it's different software underneath the blogs and those article comments, not something fully integrated. Or that the feature you mention just hasn't been turned on.

Cindy has indicated there are some 'controls' available for the blogs that she'd rather not turn on, I think because they might inhibit the sense of free participation to some degree.

It's funny that we seem to get through rough patches, usually a few days of nastiness up here, and then have nice stretches of good, spirited conversation.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 22, 2007 6:17 PM | Report abuse

4-12, I think I saw a hemp beer at the grocery last week.

(Yes, ha ha, I'm in almost comically liberal Portland, but alas, hemp beer doesn't have THC.)

Hemp is maybe a cousin of hops?

I'll check it out sometime and let you know.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 22, 2007 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Funny Nate, because it looks like there's a "Hop Thief" premium beer in Australia as well.

The unofficial control up here is usually jm220. Speaking of, where has he been this past week. We're gonna have to call him out, the way he does with chris larry.

Posted by: 4-12 | May 22, 2007 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Good grief, I tend to go on up here, don't I? Blah blah blah blah. Leaving no stone unturned, or un-commented upon, in the march to 100k.

And nobody has posted an ITA or 'this blog stinks' after me today. Guess that guy is taking the day off.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 22, 2007 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Burgundy and Gold inundating that city for 2 glorious weeks....

Posted by: 4-12 | May 22, 2007 02:26 PM

And even better if we could stomp the cowgirls in the NFC title game in DC to get to the SB!

Posted by: gethanr13 | May 22, 2007 02:31 PM

No it would be even better if the cowgirls went 0-16 that year!

Posted by: ce1782 | May 22, 2007 02:33 PM

Man, it's a busy itinerary for the Winged Unicorn today. there's so much dreamin' goin' on, he wants to know if he can borrow Redkins One!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 22, 2007 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Whoops, that was me dispatching my Stallion of Shattered Hopes on the Misguided Tour of 2007.

Maybe they actually could change the name to Redkin, and all would be forgotten.

Posted by: SMACK | May 22, 2007 6:33 PM | Report abuse

SMACK- Rt. 29 is clear tonight. Shouldn't you be on your way home now? I can't believe we drive the same road.

Posted by: 4-12 | May 22, 2007 6:36 PM | Report abuse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xu2V4XE0onU

Take that SMACK.

As usual The Reaper gets that last shot.

Whats ITA?

Posted by: Stumped | May 22, 2007 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Thanks 4-12, I'm outta here. Not that I would ever believe 29 is clear. 29 hasn't been clear since August.

Posted by: SMACK | May 22, 2007 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Nate, I can answer the question you posed to Cindy. You may remember the guy I told you about on the Wizards blog (he is here as well - or soon will be). It was worse than anything on this blog. He hates our star player (Gilbert Arenas) and most of his posts were Gilbert bashing. When we disagreed with him, we were called horrendous names. It was like a war zone -and I admit I was a participant in that war.

Posted by: Lisa | May 22, 2007 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Stumped, ITA = ignore the a$$clown. Posted up here, it served as a reminder to each other that if you ignore a troll, he's likely to go away much more quickly than if you engage him.

But it has backfired to some degree. Some wag has taken to periodically posting 'ITA' after regulars like me post. And you can't stop trolls, you can only hope to contain them.

Anyway, dude, you gonna drop me a line or what? (See 1:04pm)

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 22, 2007 6:49 PM | Report abuse

My fault, Stumped, I see you already pinged me. I was riding high on my winged unicorn and didn't look before I leapt, or something.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 22, 2007 6:54 PM | Report abuse

No worries. you have redundancy now.

Posted by: Stumped | May 22, 2007 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the birthday wishes guys!

Must admit, there's something very wrong with me, when I get home, very drunk at 5:30am and rather than go to bed, my first move is to post on here!

4-12 - Never heard of the beers you mentioned, I drank Carlton Draught, Becks, Stella Artois, Heineken, a few Jaeger Bombs, some C*ck Sucking Cowboys and a couple of tequila shots. People kept buying me drinks left, right and centre!

Posted by: kost52 | May 22, 2007 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Let's keep this thread going-- we're almost to 300.

Let's rehash the new coaching situation in the years to come: I've heard Grilliams, Saunders (as internal candidates); Bill Cowher, Lovie Smith, and Jeff Fisher. Am I missing any other biggies that we've said? Feel free to add some.

Personally, of the above-- I wouldn't mind seeing Jeff Fisher here.

What about Bill Parcells? I've heard people talking about him "not being done." I dunno if his style would mesh here, plus he has a knack for coaching our rivals. Hmmm.

Will Tony Dungy be in Indy forever? I live here, and I think it's a no. Might be a possibility-- he kind of fits the quiet, politeness of Joe Gibbs.

Thoughts? Or am I beating a dead horse?
Oops, sorry about the animal abuse reference.

~TDawg

Posted by: TDawg623 | May 22, 2007 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Portis is on the NFLN right now.

Posted by: bigfish | May 22, 2007 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Art Shell?? Hahaha

Grimm, and Pete Carroll have been mentioned. Could they look at Schottenheimer again?

Posted by: kost52 | May 22, 2007 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, bigfish. I had forgotten he was going to be on tonight.

Posted by: JustMe | May 22, 2007 7:27 PM | Report abuse

TDawg-

I realize this is a little out of left field, but what if Williams has a great year as coordinator, leaves to be a head coach somewhere else in 2008, and Mike Singletary is brought in to be the D-coordinator next year, and maybe take over in 2009 or 2010 from Gibbs?

I realize it's not likely, but here are two reasons why I like the idea:

1. Singletary is hardworking and extremely religious, just like a certain head coach. He's not pushy with the religion, but the faith thing means a lot to Gibbs, and I have a hunch they'd get along very well (much like Gibbs and Brunell).

2. Singletary may be the best motivator and speaker in football. The guy can rally players around him. He would be the kind of guy young players today would respect. I heard the guy give a 30 minute speach once and I was rivited.

FYI, I don't really share anything in common with Singletary, which is another reason why I find his charisma so impressive.

Posted by: mugamack | May 22, 2007 7:28 PM | Report abuse

I don't think we'd see Schottenheimer in DC again-- he's never one the big one, which is crucial now (especially for 2011!). I think we're as likely to see him as we are Norv Turner.

Posted by: TDawg623 | May 22, 2007 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Singletary could be interesting...

I'm thinking Grilliams is probably going to go somewhere for a head coaching job (like the Browns when Romeo Crennel blows a good draft season on bad calls)

Posted by: TDawg623 | May 22, 2007 7:31 PM | Report abuse

So not only did he fail to make up for the comments that he made, he basically bashed Goodell's new conduct policy.

Also mentioned that this is probably the last year that the core players on this team will be together so if they don't at least make it to the NFC Championship game this year then their will be a lot of changes.

I love Clinton's witty and crazy interviews before and after games but I may not want to hear him talk anytime outside of that anymore.

Posted by: bigfish | May 22, 2007 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Maybe a Ron Rivera?

Posted by: kost52 | May 22, 2007 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Can someone tell me why we are discussing future coaches NOW?

Portis was on the NFLN to clarify his Vick remarks. He was also asked about his comment that the Skins will get to the NFC Championship Game. Portis said that he was not saying we would but that anything less would be a disappointment. Remember those words coming from Brunell last season regarding the Super Bowl? Kiss of death. Portis said we have the talent and it's now or never as the team will implode if it does not happen.

Posted by: Lisa | May 22, 2007 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Yeah I like the idea of Singletary as well. But isn't he a little like Russ Grimm, in that he's Assistant Head Coach, but not actually O/D Coordinator?

Posted by: kost52 | May 22, 2007 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Ron Rivera was like a linebacker coach and Lovie Was basically th Defensive coordinator...So he is nothing Greg Williams is one of the NFL's finest Defensive coordinator even though he is a little crazy and his EGO

Posted by: Alexander | May 22, 2007 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, I hear you on the coaches talk... I'm just a little bored, I guess.

It'd be a shame to see the Skins go through ANOTHER major transformation if this season doesn't pan out. I wish that we still had Laverneus Coles out to back up SM instead of BLloyd. We need some stability.

Posted by: TDawg623 | May 22, 2007 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Just a subject to push towards 100K Lisa, that's all.


What did CP say about his comments? Did he say he was trying to make light of the situation? Or did he not back away from his statements?

Posted by: kost52 | May 22, 2007 7:43 PM | Report abuse

who cares about 100k? whats the point?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 22, 2007 7:52 PM | Report abuse

I didn't think Portis made up for the comments that he made. He said that he still stuck by his comments. He said that the Vick situation has been blown out of proportion and that we shouldn't pass judgement on the guy until he is convicted of something.

Posted by: bigfish | May 22, 2007 7:57 PM | Report abuse

BTW - He also gave a shot out to his fish and said that he does not own any pets other than them so I guess we don't have to worry about him fighting dogs. We may have to keep an eye out on a fish fighting ring though.

Posted by: bigfish | May 22, 2007 7:59 PM | Report abuse

So the rumours are true. Much like Troy McClure, CP sleeps with the fishes.

Posted by: kost52 | May 22, 2007 8:15 PM | Report abuse

I like the sound of Grimm as HC for us someday, I just do not get the HC swagger from Al or GG, & a Hogg on the sideline would be sweet. I like the idea of us getting a coach who is younger, Grimm is still in his 40's I think, and can stick around here for 10 years like Cowher did, or Gibbs1.

Posted by: 35332 | May 22, 2007 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Shawn Springs injured himself while breathing I will report more when It becomes available

Posted by: Anonymous | May 22, 2007 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Take that SMACK.

As usual The Reaper gets that last shot.

Whats ITA?


Posted by: Stumped | May 22, 2007 06:41 PM

That was so boring I couldn't make it to the end. I know some good AVID editors, if you need one. Did you notice in those Bengals highlights the Skins were falling further and further behind? Weak sauce!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 22, 2007 8:26 PM | Report abuse

In regards to the earlier comments about TV shows. I've only heard of a couple of the shows that were mentioned, but the 3 shows I vividly remember coming home from school and watching as a kid were The Goodies, The Young Ones, and Monkey Magic. I still love those shows!

Posted by: kost52 | May 22, 2007 8:30 PM | Report abuse

kost - were those Aussie shows? I'm not familiar with any of them.

Posted by: bigfish | May 22, 2007 8:46 PM | Report abuse

bigfish - The Goodies and The Young Ones were both British. But I'm pretty sure that for some reason The Goodies was bigger in Australia, than in anywhere else in the world.

Monkey Magic, I think it was Japanese, but dubbed over into English.

Posted by: kost52 | May 22, 2007 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Greg Oden to the PDX
Congrats Nate

Posted by: RBD202 | May 22, 2007 8:55 PM | Report abuse

kost- Here's the link where I found those beers. Maybe it's a fake site to screw with us damn Yanks. Wait...do you guys call us Yanks, or do only the Brits call us that? So confusing. Like that winter in July/August thing you've got happening there!

http://www.australianbeers.com/

Posted by: 4-12 | May 22, 2007 8:55 PM | Report abuse

I know this is somewhat off topic and political but we were talking about kids shows so I thought I'd give it a shot. Have you guys seen the Militant Mouse show from the Middle Eastern Networks?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jB4bKLnXPIQ

Posted by: bigfish | May 22, 2007 9:07 PM | Report abuse

I will unreluctantly accept the flag from Zebra if I stepped out of line with the Militant Mouse post.

Posted by: bigfish | May 22, 2007 9:09 PM | Report abuse

4-12 - Looking at that, I'd say that it's serious. Most of the beers that are listed I've heard of and drank. Over here, people aren't really in the habit of trying new beers, they generally stick to the same one or two, and hate everything else, so breweries sometimes look for ways into the market by targeting younger drinkers who haven't formed alliances yet. Some do this by giving the beer a "funny" name, just to get their foot in the door, such as Hemp Premium, or if you look at Victorian beer on the same site, you'll see Piss, and Piss Weak. I mean we've even had Duff beer here, unfortunately Fox sued the company and told them to get it off the market.

Posted by: kost52 | May 22, 2007 9:12 PM | Report abuse

And yes, we do call you guys yanks, and we call the Brits, Pommies. I have no idea where that comes from.

Posted by: kost52 | May 22, 2007 9:20 PM | Report abuse


That's the last time I let CP watch my dogs while I'm out of town!

Posted by: Montana'skins Fan | May 22, 2007 9:20 PM | Report abuse

I need an Emu Lager and a Freemantle football game.

Why are we talking coaching changes when a personnel change/addition is more likely? It's that time of year, isn't it?

Posted by: Unconvinced | May 22, 2007 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Unconvinced - Yeah, you're probably right but I think that sort of talk will start up in the next week or so. Sports writers will start doing articles on who they think will be June 1st casualties, and then once some players start getting cut, we'll be all over which players we want the FO to make a run at.

Posted by: kost52 | May 22, 2007 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and the Yanks are losing to the BoSox. We hate Yanks here.

Fair dinkum.

Posted by: Unconvinced | May 22, 2007 9:31 PM | Report abuse

When did Charlton start sponsoring Freemantle? I learned to love Swan products at Freemantle games. Miss the birds there as well.

Watching the BoSox drinking Molson and getting stonkered!!!!

Posted by: Unconvinced | May 22, 2007 9:37 PM | Report abuse

not as much as we hate the Sox

Posted by: Anonymous | May 22, 2007 9:39 PM | Report abuse

We got guys on here wistful for the no-mom shows -- are they are the same ones who are so online-only that their kids are growing up mom-only?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 22, 2007 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Love going to Camden Yards, or as we call it, Fenway South. A BoSox/Pats title year on the way.

Posted by: Unconvinced | May 22, 2007 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Didn't realise they were, but just looked it up, and Fosters (Carlton is a part of Fosters) has sponsored them since 2001!

So did you enjoy the footy when you were here?

Posted by: kost52 | May 22, 2007 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Hey kost, did I hear right that Rose Tattoo is touring again? Saw Angry Anderson on some show cleaning toilets.

As far as the Skins and the front office, they need someone to put things on track. I hope they do something to provide some hope for the future.

Posted by: Unconvinced | May 22, 2007 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Been a Freemantle footy fan since the 80s. ESPN carries it once in a while here. Was in Perth when we lost the America's Cup. Couldn't buy a beer the whole time. Miss the Baramundi.

Posted by: Unconvinced | May 22, 2007 9:53 PM | Report abuse

You're correct Rose Tattoo is touring again, they're one of the supporting acts for the upcoming Guns 'N' Roses tour!

I've never been over to the west, so I've never caught a Barra, will one day though, I love my fishing!

Posted by: kost52 | May 22, 2007 10:05 PM | Report abuse

See, now that's what I love about this blog. You can talk Skins, baseball, beer, Aussie footy, rock n' roll and fishing and someone will appreciate.

Barramundi is the best tasting fish in the world, I can tell you that. I've been all over and it is the best.

Glad to see the Tats touring. Not many people realize who they are, but know their friends - AC/DC. Angry Anderson, their lead singer, was the short guy in the Mad Max sequels.

So when is JLac back?

Posted by: Unconvinced | May 22, 2007 10:25 PM | Report abuse

RBD, yeah, how 'bout those Blazers? I'll share the joy with Stumped, flipthatswitch, and any other blog peeps with PDX connections.

Results of my exhaustive man-on-the-street reporting: The bag boy at the grocery was excited about the pick but not sure whether to pick Oden or Durant, but either way he said it would be a long time getting back to the playoffs. I told him he should be glad he's not a Wizards fan. The Blazers were in the playoffs like 25 years in a row ,until a few years ago. Whiner.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 22, 2007 10:29 PM | Report abuse

If he is on his property in his yard, he can do whatever he wants.

So freedom to Clinton Portis means if one is in his own yard he can do what he wants. Has this guy ever for one moment thought about what it means to be aresponsible citizen in society?

Hey Clinton, got an idea for you. Throw away all of the stupid costumes, cancel all the silly skits/ characters you have planned for Thursdays, go spend a half hour in Coach Joe's office each Thursday, letting him teach you what it means to grow up and do something productive.

do what you want?
What if your mind wants to do the wrong thing? What if the mind wants to be involved in a felony?


What about one who creates computer viruses from his own computer in his own home?
Or what about those perverts faking to be teens hoping to have sex with a teenage girl? They are doing what they want from their own computer in their own homes too.



Posted by: Redskin Ray | May 22, 2007 10:45 PM | Report abuse

If he is on his property in his yard, he can do whatever he wants.

So freedom to Clinton Portis means if one is in his own yard he can do what he wants. Has this guy ever for one moment thought about what it means to be aresponsible citizen in society?

Hey Clinton, got an idea for you. Throw away all of the stupid costumes, cancel all the silly skits/ characters you have planned for Thursdays, go spend a half hour in Coach Joe's office each Thursday, letting him teach you what it means to grow up and do something productive.

do what you want?
What if your mind wants to do the wrong thing? What if the mind wants to be involved in a felony?


What about one who creates computer viruses from his own computer in his own home?
Or what about those perverts faking to be teens hoping to have sex with a teenage girl? They are doing what they want from their own computer in their own homes too.



Posted by: Redskin Ray | May 22, 2007 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Tell the bag boy to go with Oden. They need a core blazer. Well...

Posted by: RBD202 | May 22, 2007 10:55 PM | Report abuse

To be the man, you've got to beat the man, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Posted by: Ric Flair | May 22, 2007 10:59 PM | Report abuse

The Nats won and Tommy Two Gloves won Big Break VII. What a great sports night.

Posted by: RBD202 | May 22, 2007 11:05 PM | Report abuse

you know what i love about this dog fighting controversy? when people who hunt are against it. ask the dog in the ring weather he wants to get shot or go dog-o-doggo with someone his own species.

skinsray, i hear you brother but i too (like portis) come from a place where dog and chicken fighting are not a taboo. and portis is right about double standards. but when you's got all them millions you gonna stand out clinton. just ask paris hilton. paris and clinton. paris portis.

but at the same time ray you can't go overboard and start comparing innocent, helpless kids being preyed on by a-holes with dog-o-doggo fighting neither.

also very easy to pick apart someone's carefree speech. if you want your kids to have a role model. well...get to it.

when i was a kid i loved mcenroe, john. cuz he was fun. did i start doing drugs and all that other crap that he did cuz he was my "role model"? ummm no. i started selling them instead. just playing!

so dear cindy, i disagree with you on this role model issue. name one player who is/was as big in his sport as mcenroe was and was as "bad" as he was? he was everything that you don't want your kid to be but he was FUN! clinton is FUN. let these people be.

how come no one's grilling wolfowitz? if anyone has kids aspiring to (especailly the "intellectual" kids) it's him. how come no one is saying "shame on you wolfy!" you're a role model. or other public figures, much much higher than mr. wolfy.

*looking down* *ohh shti sfskin i gonna need to borrow a bungy cord* *jumping off my soapbox* *weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!*

peace! out!

Posted by: dealer | May 22, 2007 11:36 PM | Report abuse

Again: 1/2 hr without a post, not gonna get us to the goal. Sorry folks who demand more, but I got nothin' real. (Dog fighting bad, no Double-G for heir, Big Roy and maybe Green are coming back to GT. Whoohoo! Wait, that last may actually be gnews to the blog, if not gnews anyone gcares about . . .)

As for the person who asked what the point of 100K was, I ask you, when did having a 'point' on the RI blog become a requirement? Did I miss a new blaw, Nate?

Posted by: stevie in ct | May 23, 2007 12:16 AM | Report abuse

I was on my own property, so I am cool, right?

Posted by: Phil Spector | May 23, 2007 12:19 AM | Report abuse

Yes, yes, stevie, while you were looking away a whole raft of new blaws were passed.

I seriously got nothin' either.

I did comb through the beer aisle at the groc looking for hemp beer, to no avail. But I'm nothing if not persistent, so I'll keep up the search.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 23, 2007 12:20 AM | Report abuse

It's tough isn't it!

Like you said earlier Nate, it's probably a good thing that there is so little gnews.

Just need some June 1st cut rumours to heat up, and that'll give us some ammo!

Posted by: kost52 | May 23, 2007 12:38 AM | Report abuse

Great. Next thing you know we'll have to have proper spelling and punctuation, maintain one posting name and one only, and all belong to extremeskins.shti as well.

You may have to TRY all available beers, Nate -- I hear hemp can't be listed as an ingrediant in some states and so must lurk, waiting for the discriminating palate to pick it out . . .

and you should post during said taste-test.

Posted by: stevie in ct | May 23, 2007 12:41 AM | Report abuse

Is the consensus that if the Skins don't pick up the best DT (or DE?) available in the June 1st cut-pool, the FO is officially off its rocker? I.e., do we expect such a pick-up?

Posted by: stevie in ct | May 23, 2007 12:45 AM | Report abuse

Well, clearly Portis has to be cut after this dogfighting flap. So I guess you guys are looking for a rumor about someone aside from him being cut on or after June 1.

That red-headed rascal Ethan Albright is my sleeper candidate.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 23, 2007 12:50 AM | Report abuse

I think we should....but I'm not sure if we will. I have a feeling we'll enter the season with the exact same 8 or 9 D-Lineman on our roster as we did last season.

Posted by: kost52 | May 23, 2007 12:54 AM | Report abuse

Kost, while you are here, do you have a prediction for Liverpool / AC Milan?

Posted by: SMACK | May 23, 2007 1:01 AM | Report abuse

I can hear Nate's rumor spreading through the town from here in Connecticut:

"Clinton's being cut. Clinton's being cut? C.P. is being cut. Did you hear Portis is being cut?", a la the Simpsons' "Monorail" episode . . .

Posted by: stevie in ct | May 23, 2007 1:01 AM | Report abuse

Carter
Griffen
Golston
Daniels
Wynn
Evans
Montgomery
Salave'a

That's probably who makes the team.

If we sign a DE, i'd say it'll be Evans who misses out, which is a shame, because he's told us how big a season he's going to be having.

If we sign a DT, I'd say the injury prone Salave'a might be in a bit of trouble.

Posted by: kost52 | May 23, 2007 1:01 AM | Report abuse

If it has already happened there, whisper me the result so I can bet the shti out of it.

Posted by: SMACK | May 23, 2007 1:04 AM | Report abuse

I think AC Milan will get it, no magical happy ending this time around. I think Liverpool start my boy Harry Kewell, he looks good, but then 20 minutes in, he injures his groin yet again.

Posted by: kost52 | May 23, 2007 1:04 AM | Report abuse

kost, you would have an easier time envisioning that magic happy ending if you were flying on a winged unicorn!

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 23, 2007 1:07 AM | Report abuse

All righty, so we're cutting Portis, Albright, Demetric Evans, Leomont Evans, Mighty Joe (who I love but who probably goes bye-bye if we get a decent newly minted FA DT), and Michael Westbrook, who we are going to sign just so we can cut him.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 23, 2007 1:10 AM | Report abuse

But before we cut him, we'll let the LaReaper and LaRon beat up on him!

Posted by: kost52 | May 23, 2007 1:14 AM | Report abuse

My prediction is Arsenal fails to win it again. Sell Henry! J'ecoute qu'il aime les chiens du guerre!

Posted by: SMACK | May 23, 2007 1:14 AM | Report abuse

WHile we're at it, maybe we can trade Brunell and Collins to KC for Grampa Green, shake up the backup situation a bit.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 23, 2007 1:20 AM | Report abuse

And while we're making the tough decisions, we should threaten that if JC doesn't put an s on the end of his surname, so that we can legitimately call him Soup, then we'll cut him as well!

Posted by: kost52 | May 23, 2007 1:24 AM | Report abuse

Thierry likes war dogs!? Slander!

Posted by: stevie in ct | May 23, 2007 1:28 AM | Report abuse

And as far as next head coach, a topic which keeps coming up, I remain fully focused on it being Grimm, Grimm, Grimm.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 23, 2007 1:29 AM | Report abuse

I'm going to blame my last comment on saturday night. I don't even understand what that means!


As for Henry, if we sell him, do we buy a big player? Or develop our current list?

Posted by: kost52 | May 23, 2007 1:34 AM | Report abuse

Here's a question I thunk of... it's surely not going to be with the Skins, but will Marty Schottenheimer ever be a head coach again up here?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 23, 2007 1:35 AM | Report abuse

If no big purchase, those are some serious expectations of Adebayor . . . and he just signed a new, multi-year contract. A sign of things to come?

Posted by: stevie in ct | May 23, 2007 1:39 AM | Report abuse

I think he will, he's too successful to not be back. People say he has a poor playoff record, but are you telling me he wouldn't make a difference in a place like Detroit, or Arizona?? (Not that I doubt the Whiz)

Posted by: kost52 | May 23, 2007 1:39 AM | Report abuse

No, kost, it's one of the burning issues of the offseason: what will Jason Campbell's nickname be up here?

I started with 'Soupy,' but there's been a big backlash that it's not grown up enough. I just think 'Soup' is too plain. And 'JC' is too religious. I'm at a loss.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 23, 2007 1:42 AM | Report abuse

And if by up here you mean the NFL, Nate, then "yes, yes, yes." The guy's had too much success, and "Not For Long" also applies to the half-life on tags like, "Can't win the big one." IF he wants to be back, of course.

(Upon rereading, of course that's what you meant, but it's too late for me to rephrase.)

Posted by: stevie in ct | May 23, 2007 1:43 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, what are the complaints about "Soupy"? It was, like, dealer or someone else reputable in particular. Like our ridiculous posting-musings/nicknames are gonna have some cosmic, negative affect on the guy.

Besides, until he proves it over a full season, I figure he ISN'T "grown up" enough. I say "Soupy."

Posted by: stevie in ct | May 23, 2007 1:47 AM | Report abuse

Affect-effect? Ingrediants-ingredients . . . it's too late for me, fellas. Night.

Posted by: stevie in ct | May 23, 2007 1:49 AM | Report abuse

Hahaha Night Stevie!

I wonder if the players have a nickname for him?

Posted by: kost52 | May 23, 2007 1:52 AM | Report abuse

I do think Marty Ball is going to show up again in the League. Probably not going to succeed Coughlin in NYG, but there will probably be a half dozen good openings for him in the next two seasons. And he's shown that he doesn't care who he works for.

Could also see him landing at a big D-1 school, a career arc you see sometimes. Succeeding Wannstedt at his alma mater Pitt?

Night, stevie.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 23, 2007 1:54 AM | Report abuse

Do you think he'd be a good replacement for Romeo Crennel??

After all he started with the Browns didn't he??

Posted by: kost52 | May 23, 2007 2:01 AM | Report abuse

I dubb cambell's new nickname to be "The Soupster."

Posted by: Brutus | May 23, 2007 2:01 AM | Report abuse

Souperman?

Posted by: kost52 | May 23, 2007 2:05 AM | Report abuse

Just for the record......Gregg Williams will be given an opportunity for continuity reasons.Plus,I feel that Gibbs will step down after this year.The skins will make a run,but this team will need to be rebuilt.Right wrong or indifferent,Williams will be given his shot.So please stop conjecturing.

Posted by: old school | May 23, 2007 2:06 AM | Report abuse

or maybe "salvation jason" if he gets us to the playoffs this year and throws at least 25 TD's and less than 10 picks.

Posted by: Brutus | May 23, 2007 2:09 AM | Report abuse

Souperman, thats pretty good. Its got my vote.

Posted by: Brutus | May 23, 2007 2:11 AM | Report abuse

I vote for Souperman as well

Posted by: Dante | May 23, 2007 2:17 AM | Report abuse

Just hoping he doesn't get complacent after a great season and come back in 2008 as Chunky.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 23, 2007 2:19 AM | Report abuse

is that old school Old School or new school Old School?

Gregg Williams got a nice little bump to stick around after his D had two really good seasons, and that stupid $1 million contingency parachute was part of it. WHoop dee doo. That's the loose change in the seats of Redskins One.

Sure, Grilliams gets to interview for Skins coach, with all his stupid folders. But I bet he has no better chance than anyone else, inside or out.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 23, 2007 2:30 AM | Report abuse

And we should stop conjecturing, but you're going to say Gibbs will leave after this year, the team will make a run but will have to be rebuilt, Williams will be given his shot... okey dokey.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 23, 2007 2:35 AM | Report abuse

Bigfish;

Sorry, the ref was taking a leak the last couple of days... but here is your post-blogumous flag

Flag on the Play

5 yards on Bigfish for mentioning the wierd Middle Eastern militant mouse show.

Posted by: Zebra | May 23, 2007 6:50 AM | Report abuse

Also, Flag on the play

5 yard penalties on ce and ganther for suggesting an 0-16 season is better than beating the cowpokes in the championship game.

I would love another Monday nighter from two years ago where they have the game fully in hand, peeps in Dallas buying their SB tickets, then we stage a furious comeback and completely F them. (admittedly we need to have a better showing than the original game mentioned because cowpuke fans still think they got robbed and they should have won. They keep crying foul and I keep telling them that the only thing that matters in a NFL game is the final score. Dalls 13- Washington 14)

Posted by: Zebra | May 23, 2007 6:56 AM | Report abuse

Kost;

I know you wont answer this till tonight (or tomorrow to you) but do peeps in Aussieland call us the west? When clearly you would go east to get here?

I guess it is just the old nickname that stuck since we are west of Europe....

Posted by: Zebra | May 23, 2007 7:15 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Dexter Poin | May 23, 2007 7:32 AM | Report abuse

Yes Dexter, that is called geography. But we dont call them the East, so hence my question.

Cant tell if there was sarcasm in your post, but to me your quotations show that, so if that was not the intention, then neither was mine. Not trying to start a blog war.

Posted by: Zebra | May 23, 2007 7:37 AM | Report abuse

Souperman sounds good it got my vote

Posted by: Alexander | May 23, 2007 7:37 AM | Report abuse

hope they make it to the NFC championship because if they don't the team will break up

Posted by: Anonymous | May 23, 2007 7:43 AM | Report abuse

its easy to see why the redskins suck so bad with character guys like portis and taylor not to mention what dumba**** they are!!HOW BOUT THEM COWBOYS!!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 23, 2007 7:45 AM | Report abuse

That two bit punk Portis needs to go or someone needs to use his sorry butt to train fighting dogs. Hows about a 5 figure donation to dog rescue from Portis and the skins like $50k punks! Lost all respect for that puke running back! And if Vick werent the media darling starting GB for the Falcons he would be working a years ban already!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 23, 2007 7:49 AM | Report abuse

How funny would it be to have our beloved Skins to be playing in the Super Bowl in Big D's plush 120,000 seat stadium in 2011? WOW!!! Do you think the Cowgirl fans would show up just to hate on us?

Posted by: dawglbs | May 23, 2007 8:35 AM | Report abuse

Mr Portis,

My collies need some work on their grips. It isnt fair to sheep to have my inexpereince dogs practice using a bite to control them so hows about coming out so my collies can practice gripping to control. You weigh about as much as some of my big wethers. Only problem is my sheep are faster and smarter than you ignorant A*S. And I am not sure I will remember how to control my dogs and they start to take big chunks out of you. I am sure you will recover in time for the season. And you have something else in common with my wethers no testicles.

And if any of you Dead skin fans want to come out and watch my dogs practice on Mr Portis be perpared we are neutering lamb rams and we need help. We do it the old fashioned way. Bite and then spit out the testicles! And you boys man enough to show up!

Posted by: vaherder | May 23, 2007 8:45 AM | Report abuse

Now that J Jones has his stadium, and a superbowl, how long until Snyder starts buying up land around RFK?

It has to have a retractable roof which would only be used in the event of a superbowl. All other times the elements need to come into play.

Posted by: Zebra | May 23, 2007 8:55 AM | Report abuse

STUPID REDSKINS SUPPORTING DOG FIGHTING. IDIOTS. DALLS COWBOYS PLAYERS WOULD NEVER CONDONE THAT NON-SENSE. THAT'S WHAT MAKES DALLAS COWBOYS BEST TEAM EVER. DALLAS COWBOYS, GEORGE W. BUSH, AND BUD-LIGHT ARE THE BEST THINGS TO EVER HAPPEN TO THE U.S.A.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 23, 2007 9:21 AM | Report abuse

vaherder, you taught me a new word, 'wether.' I love it when the blog teaches. Will be difficult to work that one into conversation, but I'll give it a go.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 23, 2007 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Zebra, as long as the new stadium is back within the DC limits I'll be happy. My preference would be the RFK site, but anywhere proximate to a Metro stop would be okay with me.

A retractable roof as Super Bowl lure is almost a given, but I still think the league doesn't want to play too many SBs outside of America's semi-tropical zone (Miami, New Orleans, Phoenix, San Diego).

It would be awesome if the stands in the lower bowl 'bounce.'

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 23, 2007 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Wow. Bush, Cowboys, & Bud-Light? What a refined individual you must be. To me, that reads: Useless wars, overrated losers, piss in a can. But then, we all have our opinions. Funny thing about this site is that it's for OUR opinions on the REDSKINS, not yours. And I can read about beer and presidents elsewhere, thank you very much.

Posted by: Dave | May 23, 2007 9:41 AM | Report abuse

ITA

Posted by: BMF | May 23, 2007 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Flag on the play

On Dave, replay first down for not ITA.

Posted by: Zebra | May 23, 2007 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Okay, this dogfighting thing is out of control. I am starting to really dislike Goodell. You can tell he is a shameless self-promoter. Some of the owners need to reign him in a little bit. Commenting on Portis' comments. I think he's off the reservation. This is a relatively minor issue and somehow it is on the front pages of every newspaper and website.

Posted by: The Governor | May 23, 2007 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Okay, this dogfighting thing is out of control. I am starting to really dislike Goodell. You can tell he is a shameless self-promoter. Some of the owners need to reign him in a little bit. Commenting on Portis' comments. I think he's off the reservation. This is a relatively minor issue and somehow it is on the front pages of every newspaper and website.

Posted by: The Governor | May 23, 2007 9:54 AM | Report abuse

the sucker boofer was back without his nametag

Posted by: jm2000 | May 23, 2007 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Nate, after this year's Super Bowl, I'm thinking retractable roofs (rooves?) are also going to be required for stadiums (stadia?) in tropical climates. No way can the NFL sustain the high cost of Super Bowl tickets if the game threatens to encore that Noah's Ark game they played in Miami.

Posted by: dcsween | May 23, 2007 10:00 AM | Report abuse

jm2000? did you ingest jm220? Ah for the days when adding the numbers 2000 after a word made it sound futuristic ... now its so yesterday, its like an old calendar.

I'm glad that the Skins haven't had to go after "insurance" players (a la Duckett as Portis insurance, Archuleta as Taylor insurance). Pft.com is projecting that the Falcons might go after Trent Green as Vick insurance. If I'm the Falcons, I would also want Green insurance (you know, someone who doesn't get headaches from bright lights or loud noises). Who else is left out there, esp. if you are the Falcons? [Personally, I still maintain that the best backup QB in the NFL is Charlie Batch ... and that Schaub was overrated, which we will all learn about based on his performance in Houston.]

Posted by: dcsween | May 23, 2007 10:07 AM | Report abuse

The Governor I am with you 100%. They need to pull his coat right about now.

Posted by: jm220 | May 23, 2007 10:10 AM | Report abuse

sween, don't forget that the teevee guys apparently didn't have the brains to bring umbrellas for their fancy schmancy HD cameras. Which made it seem worse than maybe it was in the stadium.

Forgot to mention a natural grass field on our putative new stadium. I don't care how good the fake stuff is getting, I want my Skins playing on real grass, in the elements.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 23, 2007 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, but the best third string QB is Todd Collins, who is true enough to thine own self that he's just looking for a chance to be the #2 QB somewhere!

Posted by: cload and daggar | May 23, 2007 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Dcsween

I am still here my friend. I had a very good and close friend die and hard a very difficult time with it. I do want to thank a very special friend for their support. (and you know who you are)

Posted by: jm220 | May 23, 2007 10:17 AM | Report abuse

DALLAS COWBOYS = GOD

Posted by: Anonymous | May 23, 2007 10:24 AM | Report abuse

jm220, my positive thoughts are with you. Without misery every once in awhile, we never recognize bliss. I'm very sorry for your loss.

Posted by: dcsween | May 23, 2007 10:34 AM | Report abuse

by dealer:
but at the same time ray you can't go overboard and start comparing innocent, helpless kids being preyed on by a-holes with dog-o-doggo fighting neither.

__________________________________________

Hello Dealer, Good day to you.
Please read carefully. In no way shape or form was I comparing the two.

What I WAS comparing was saying should have been clear. For Portis to say if you are dooing it on your own property... and people need to mind their own business....

I provided to examples of their logic being shown to be no logic at all. No thinking at all.

This is not about animals either as I noticed some making that the issue.
The chief issue is being a law-abiding citizen in both public and the privacy of your own home and property.

Hope that clears it up for you.
Good Day

Posted by: Redskin Ray | May 23, 2007 10:42 AM | Report abuse

jm2000? did you ingest jm220? Ah for the days when adding the numbers 2000 after a word made it sound futuristic ... now its so yesterday, its like an old calendar.

Posted by: dcsween | May 23, 2007 10:07 AM

http://www.lever2000.com/

Posted by: 2000 | May 23, 2007 10:48 AM | Report abuse

I admitted to doing cocaine and I'm going to be your next President.

Posted by: Barack Obama | May 23, 2007 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Re Commissioner Goodell's Remarks,

I think Goodell should stick to his forte: screwing up the NFL. Like having Miami play a "home" game in London, England and having earpieces installed in all the offensive players helmets so crowd noise is irrelevant and fans have no reason to show up to games.

Goodell is real good at that. Let the players like Portis entertain and let him screw up the league. Everyone has their respective roles.

Posted by: JamesTuthill | May 23, 2007 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Zebra | May 23, 2007 11:02 AM | Report abuse

I never admitted to using cocaine or being an alcoholic (even though both can be proved) and I am currently your president. God bless the U.S. of A.

Posted by: George W. Bush | May 23, 2007 11:14 AM | Report abuse

JlaC on Kornheiser now.

Posted by: LH | May 23, 2007 11:23 AM | Report abuse

I heard it the 1st hour. JLaC comes down haaard on CP....

Just as hard Goodell....

Did you know? Did anyone know that MArk Duffner is the LB coach in Jacksonville?

Posted by: 4th Floor | May 23, 2007 11:32 AM | Report abuse

"A team of American and Irish researchers have discovered that some female sharks can reproduce without having sex, the first time that scientists have found the unusual capacity in such an ancient vertebrate species."

Unbeknownst to the researchers, Sean Taylor had gone for a swim in the same ocean earlier that day.

Posted by: cload and daggar | May 23, 2007 11:35 AM | Report abuse

cload, I guessed that. It is well known that Sean Taylor is one half killer shark. It is less well known that the other half is also killer shark.

Posted by: dcsween | May 23, 2007 11:38 AM | Report abuse

cload and daggar that post was a thing of beauty. At first I was thinking what does this have to do with anything. Next thing I know I have to hold in a laugh. (I'm at work)

Posted by: the don | May 23, 2007 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone know where I can stream the UEFA Champions league game today?

Posted by: Zebra | May 23, 2007 11:57 AM | Report abuse

"Live every week like it's shark week."

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 23, 2007 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Goodell is right for trying to reign in the NFL's criminal culture and he's right for calling out CP for making an ass of himself. Criminals and their apologists have no place in the NFL.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | May 23, 2007 12:10 PM | Report abuse

IS THERE REALLY NOTHING THAT CAN BE REPORTED?? CAN WE GET SOME INFO ON BRUNELL or SOMETHING.. THIS IS RIDICULOUS..

Posted by: GIVE ME SOME SKINS REPORTS | May 23, 2007 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Joe - I disagree. Bill CLinton was a criminal at the highest level of job opportunity, but he just knows how to handle the press....

Adultry is just as bad, if not worse than animal cruelty.......

Posted by: 4th Floor | May 23, 2007 12:35 PM | Report abuse

GIVE ME, perhaps we could interest you in some ... more cowbell?

Posted by: dcsween | May 23, 2007 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Goodell is right to crack down on bad behavior and comments by NFL players.

Posted by: Brutus | May 23, 2007 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Clinton was no criminal.

Posted by: Flim899 | May 23, 2007 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Anybody hear about JoePa's punishment for Penn State's football team? Sorry if I'm rehashing- I'll try to find a link.

What a class-act. Gotta LOVE the old-school team approach. Good for him.

Posted by: D7 | May 23, 2007 12:51 PM | Report abuse

So what effect does anybody think a revised and more protective concussion policy may have on games and palyoff races?

Posted by: Neil | May 23, 2007 12:52 PM | Report abuse

I haven't said anything about Portis' remarks on the bitey dog matter, but THIS WaPo article http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/22/AR2007052201488.html now makes me question the man's judgment. This article actually discuss the issue of whether the league is going to DISCIPLINE Portis! REGARDLESS of his views re: what was OK where he grew up or how he feels Michael Vick gets picked on, how could he NOT recogize the current hysteria going on at the top of the NFL about the "culture" of NFL players? Of all the times ever not to say anything to anyone in the media about anything, NOW is that time! If I was the NFLPA guy (or someone who actually looked out for the best interests of the players), I would be advising players to go on a media blackout ... silence. The NFLPA was caught totally off-guard by the Commissioner's new sheriff policy b/c they JUST re-negotiated the CBA and the Commish got carte blanche on discipline. To get back some "hand," they need to use the powers that be (i.e., Big Media) to speak for them. The only way to do that is not say ANYTHING to ANYBODY. Over reaction? Yes. But currently there is so little to report that this Portis thing has taken on a life beyond imagination. News is what feeds the sponsors, i.e., us paying fans, so the players need to dry that up. The owners will come back with an offer.

Posted by: dcsween | May 23, 2007 12:52 PM | Report abuse

You can never go wrong with MORE COWBELL

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | May 23, 2007 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Commissioner Goodell said "I'm extremely . . . embarrassed for Clinton Portis."

Please, get over yourself you pompous self-important man.

I am not crazy about Clinton's comments either but Clinton has not been in trouble with law. He made some silly comments.

I let my son wear Clinton Portis' jersey.

I would not let him wear a "Goodell" jersey. Goodell is a poser who cares not a whiff what the fans think . . .

Posted by: JamesTuthill | May 23, 2007 12:53 PM | Report abuse

You can never go wrong with MORE COWBELL

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | May 23, 2007 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: D7 | May 23, 2007 12:54 PM | Report abuse

The Main Point in this conversation is as Film899 said - Clinton is not a Criminal.

It is Vick, who is alleged by the media. I thought if something was stupid and wasn't worht the conversation, you say it once and drop it. Not continue to talk about it. For all of the people who speak out on against CP too hard, I hope they have all of their past hidden. Those any one know if Goodell is a hunter? That would make him just as bad as Vick.

And to Clinton Portis - The show is called 'The Deadlist Catch' and is one of the best shows on TV... (Not 'The Greatest Catch' as he said on NFLN)

Posted by: 4th Floor | May 23, 2007 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Bottom line- Clinton needs to shut up rehab and get ready for a good season that he needs to have to stay our starter and not be shipped off next year in a trade and Betts become our starter. He shoots his mouth off way too much whether its about zone blocking, or the other team knowing our plays, or who's calling the plays, or predicting the NFC championship he needs just be quiet and play. I for one am praying Campbell starts the season well and replaces Portis as the face of the franchise. He is humble, harworking, and just a genuinely nice guy the exact opposite of the brash, cocky, and self promoting Clinton Portis.

Posted by: Jack | May 23, 2007 1:04 PM | Report abuse

concussons will change the game, but depends on how long they make a player sit out. But ti anin't right to make a choce for a grown mand an a proffesional. When we get deep in a playoff race, I hopes noone of our playres take a game ooff. And wht will they do to betting lines?

Posted by: Headache | May 23, 2007 1:04 PM | Report abuse

What a coincidence! The three things that make me puke are Bud-Light, George W. and the Cowboys!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 23, 2007 1:08 PM | Report abuse

dcsween I hear what you are saying, but I repectfully disagree. If Goodell was seriously considering taking disciplinary action, it makes me question Goodell (not Portis) even more than I do now.

Cracking down on player "behavior" is one thing. Obsessing about every "comment" that every NFL player makes that is not politically correct is another.

I don't think Portis got to where he is today by letting empty suits like Roger Goodell tell him what to think and what to say.

Portis has said many things I disagree with over the year. But if the choice is between Portis and Goodell, I take Portis every time.

Posted by: JamesTuthill | May 23, 2007 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Hey guys!
Sorry I'm just now getting on the blog. Went to the Mystics game last night (the WNBA commissioner was in town) and then was dealing with the Portis/Goodell story.
Nate, Lisa's right. There have been issues on other blogs, but I think this one gets more sustained hatred at certain periods. Like, maybe, when someone has some downtime at their job....
I think we need a fresh thread, altho it's gonna have to be Portis again.

Posted by: Cindy | May 23, 2007 1:10 PM | Report abuse

As long as I can be 1st to post!

Posted by: 1st Guy | May 23, 2007 1:13 PM | Report abuse

How much longer do we have to live with commentators commenting on CP's Comments?

WaPo should take a stand ater today to not talk about it anymore.....

Posted by: 4th Floor | May 23, 2007 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Cindy- did the Post do any kind of blurb on the Joe Paterno crackdown thing? I just heard about it and think it is AWESOME. Definitely newsworthy.

Posted by: D7 | May 23, 2007 1:18 PM | Report abuse

that's 'after' today..

Posted by: 4th | May 23, 2007 1:19 PM | Report abuse

James T, I don't think we disagree. I also will take Portis every time, but as things stand right now, the players are WAY exposed on this discipline thing. [I'm like chris Larry when it comes to protecting the worker.] The way to change things that seem unchangeable is to follow the money. Right now, NO player can afford to speak his mind about Goodell's crackdown. Even that speech is vulnerable under the Commissioner's authority under the CBA. [The First Amendment only applies to the government ... the NFL is a higher power.] To protect themselves, including their speech, the players should refrain from ANY and ALL speech. That would squeeze the League right where it hurts ... in the hemmy.

Posted by: dcsween | May 23, 2007 1:20 PM | Report abuse

STUPID REDSKINS SUPPORTING DOG FIGHTING. IDIOTS. DALLS COWBOYS PLAYERS WOULD NEVER CONDONE THAT NON-SENSE. THAT'S WHAT MAKES DALLAS COWBOYS BEST TEAM EVER. DALLAS COWBOYS, GEORGE W. BUSH, AND BUD-LIGHT ARE THE BEST THINGS TO EVER HAPPEN TO THE U.S.A.

Posted by: | May 23, 2007 09:21 AM
Yeah...yeah...yeah... and Dallas Cowboys is very good on eating DOG SH*T TOO....

Posted by: ken | May 23, 2007 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Look, I've been doing things similar to this blog for 20 years (a shout out to the peeps using MEET:STUDENTS using Confer II on MTS in 1986!); we had trouble with offensive content, trolling, and thread hijacking from the beginning.
Unless you have some very-well-authenticated way of establishing a real name identity (not an email address, etc.), there's too much anonymity -- or at least plausible deniability -- to keep the bad posts off the blog.

You have to ignore them. Not ignore them and say that you're ignoring them, not post 'ITA', not respond in any way. Sometimes they go away quickly, sometimes not (it's apparently infuriating to be ignored), but if there is no response, the flow of the discussion can usually overcome the trolls.
And if not, there's always tomorrow's post.

Posted by: cload and daggar | May 23, 2007 1:22 PM | Report abuse

"There's always tomorrow's post"... right, Cindy?

Posted by: cload and daggar | May 23, 2007 1:24 PM | Report abuse

dcsween I hear ya now. Yes, we agree.

The league wants the players out there talking to the press but then doesn't want to let them be real people with their own viewpoints.

I am with you now.

Posted by: JamesTuthill | May 23, 2007 1:26 PM | Report abuse

I hope the new post is about Portis, hounded by this controversy, likely being cut on June 1.

Now that's a rumor with some legs.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | May 23, 2007 1:28 PM | Report abuse

We are definitely going to have to send Sean over to get that RUMINT out of your craw.

Just go out about ten yards, then cut across the middle, Nate.

Posted by: cload and daggar | May 23, 2007 1:30 PM | Report abuse

"NEW YORK (AP) - Jason Giambi failed an amphetamines test within the last year, the Daily News reported Wednesday.

Let him speak?
Jason Giambi seems like he wants to come clean, but baseball just wants him to stay quiet. Should they let him talk and face the steroids era head on? Tell us your thoughts.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
More coverage

Kriegel: Let him talk

MLB to meet with Giambi?


The newspaper reported that after the failed amphetamines test, Giambi is subjected to six additional tests for one year. The newspaper did not cite any sources in its report.

Giambi declined comment to the newspaper before the New York Yankees' 7-3 loss to the Boston Red Sox on Tuesday night."

You wanna bad guy. There. You have one.....

Posted by: 4th Floor | May 23, 2007 1:30 PM | Report abuse

"Georgetown center Roy Hibbert is expected to announce he will return for his senior season at a news conference early this afternoon, according to sources close to the situation.

The 7-foot-2, 270-pound Hibbert was expected to be selected somewhere late in the lottery, but with his dramatic improvement over his first three years in college, he could move up to the front end of the lottery next year -- especially with the lack of big men expected to be in the 2008 NBA Draft.
Hibbert averaged 12.9 points, 6.9 rebounds and 2.4 blocks per game last season.

Hibbert's teammate, Jeff Green, is also expected to make an announcement on whether he will keep his name in the draft or withdraw. One source familiar with the situation said he expected Green to remain in the draft. "

You want a Good Guy. There. We have one.

Posted by: 4th Floor via breakingnews.com | May 23, 2007 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Goodell, needs to focus his attention on more pressing matter, and move on from ONE PERSON'S OPINION. This is BEYOND out of hand.

LET IT GO...let it go....

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | May 23, 2007 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Nate, the rumor isn't about a trade, but rather Portis' giant sea anemone talking to him like in some Cronenberg movie.

Posted by: dcsween | May 23, 2007 1:37 PM | Report abuse

I'd personally like to thank Daniel Snyder and the entire Redskins Organization (especially Vinny Cerrato) in their continued support of the NRA and our god-given right to have the 2nd amendment to the Constituion. Thank you so much.

Posted by: Charleton Heston | May 23, 2007 1:41 PM | Report abuse

I use Chambrain; it's an intellihancer!

Posted by: Mr. Goodell | May 23, 2007 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Shooting oneself in the foot does not equate to strong support of the second amendment.

Posted by: cload and daggar | May 23, 2007 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Actually, I am more in favor of having the Cowpokes being a bad team in 2009 through 2011. Having 80,000 empty seats would be pretty cool to see and hit Jeery Jones in the pocketbook as well.

Posted by: charlie | May 23, 2007 1:51 PM | Report abuse

New post....there is always tomorrow, Cload! Unless there's a bus with my name on it....

Posted by: Cindy | May 23, 2007 1:52 PM | Report abuse

New post

Posted by: Anonymous | May 23, 2007 1:53 PM | Report abuse

pommies >>> Property Of Mother England

Posted by: queen mary | May 23, 2007 2:31 PM | Report abuse

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