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Sherman Smith and Stump Mitchell

Spoke to several more sources today, including some that know Zorn well, and all continue to say they expect Sherman Smith, an assistant head coach/offense, with the Titans, to be his top choice as offensive coordinator.

Zorn also remains interested in Seattle RB coach Stump Mitchell as well, sources said. If he cannot land Smith, Mitchell could also be considered for the OC job - he has a very thorough knowledge of the West Coast Offense, and, like Smith, shares a close relationship with Zorn.

If either was hired it would their first time as a coordinator, leading many sources who know Zorn to beleive the head coach would call plays on offense. Could be Zorn gets them both, with Mitchell the RB Coach in Washington, and there remains a chance Skins RB coach Earnest Byner could get an opportunity in Seattle if Mitchell came here.

By Jason La Canfora  |  February 11, 2008; 1:41 PM ET
 
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Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 11, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

With a stump and a rock representing our offensive backfield, we can't be stopped.

Posted by: drbatchelor | February 11, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Zorn FTW? Let's hope so. I'm still not totally sold on him, but that's probably because he doesn't have any real experience. Oh well. Better than Fassel.

Posted by: hobbes9 | February 11, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

"Sherrrrrrrrrmaaaaaaan"

Posted by: IvanDanko | February 11, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

I would much prefer Sherman Helmsley as OC. He just turned 70 last week. He would fit in really well with any holdovers from the Space Cowboys regime...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherman_Hemsley

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 11, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Er, ahem, Hemsley...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 11, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

From the last thread:

"You're traveling through another dimension -- a dimension not only of sight and sound but of mind. A journey into a wondrous land whose boundaries are that of imagination. That's a signpost up ahead: your next stop: Redskins Park."

Posted by: freakzilla | February 11, 2008 01:43 PM

LMFGO - Freak, that was classic - that should be the blog motto.

Posted by: jaradel | February 11, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

I would much prefer Sherman Helmsley as OC. He just turned 70 last week. He would fit in really well with any holdovers from the Space Cowboys regime...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherman_Hemsley

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 11, 2008 01:54 PM

He would also fit well into JZ's new motto, "Movin' on Up"

Posted by: drbatchelor | February 11, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Sherman Smith was an usher in Zorn's wedding.

Posted by: dcsween | February 11, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

I'm re-posting because I think it's pertinent to the whole "JLaC hates the skins" uncurrent of posts....

Have some optimism JLC!

Posted by: jjwilson312003 | February 11, 2008 01:39 PM

I think you're confusing a reporter with a skins PR department employee. A skins PR department employee should be optimistic. A newspaper beat reporter should not. In fact, he/she probably ought to be a bit skeptical of a lot of things since much if it is/will be filtered through pr people putting their optimistic spin on events and actions

Adam

Posted by: argh | February 11, 2008 01:56 PM

Posted by: argh | February 11, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Adam/argh, I think what you're hearing is RI peeps pining for less spicy reporting. They want them some Maske.

Posted by: dcsween | February 11, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

what scampbell1975 means is "beep beep"

Posted by: dcsween | February 11, 2008 01:56 PM

Thank you Mr. dcsween, I've only been contributing to this blog for about a month (when I first became aware of it) and it's always nice to informed of the procedures


Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 11, 2008 02:00 PM

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 11, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Do you really think that Zorn has the cojones to stand up to Cerrato, much less Snyder?

Posted by: tcmits | February 11, 2008 01:55 PM

If he doesn't, I hear Rabach does.

Posted by: dcsween | February 11, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Freak - I badly worded my comments.

I was trying to make the point that we can't say for sure which way this team is going.

The defense looks good. We only lost one coach on that side. We still have 3 former DC on that side of the ball.

On the offense we still have Breux, a former OC, and Buges, a former HC and current Asst. HC/OLine.

I see a lot of positives. But those may involve Buges Pimp Slapping Zorn a little bit. That means we'll still be seeing Redskins Football on offense.

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 11, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Sherman & Stump? Hopefully, one is an uptight, fastidious, clean-freak conservative and the other is a loosey-goosey, messy, liberal.

I smell sitcom!!!

We can follow their interrelationship as they lead the Maroon and Black and Yellow (shorthand: "mblellow") through the season as they deal with a newbie HC and the meddling, tyranical owner and his lap dog second in command.

Posted by: nojunk4me | February 11, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

sween, thanks for the info in the last thread. That's pretty cool. Sounds like Zorn is a resourceful guy.

I'm not going to let the fact that D&V settled upon him as coach in a bass-ackwards fashion cause me to take less than a wait-and-see approach to him.

Sometimes we make smart decisions in spite of ourselves. I know I have.

We won't know for many months if Zorn has the chops for his new job, and I'm not going to spend those months being negative. I'd rather be a cautious optimist proven wrong than a pessimist proven right.

Posted by: freakzilla | February 11, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

There's the jibba-jabba I know and love...

Holla.

Posted by: Dorf | February 11, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather be a cautious optimist proven wrong than a pessimist proven right.

Posted by: freakzilla | February 11, 2008 02:10 PM

Amen, brother. The whole search dragged on a little long for this hamster's attention span. I've already moved on ... and now I'm already starving for some NEW Skins news. [Though it would be good to hear if Mrs. Zorn is going to be contracting with Long & Foster in her real estate search ... or whether she'll opt of one of the non-rumor mongering real estate agencies.]

Posted by: dcsween | February 11, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

What's your favorite hobby outside of sports?

It is definitely biking: mountain-biking, cross country, road racing ... anything that has to do with going hard and getting sweaty.
Going hard and getting sweaty? Now that actually does sound zornographic.

Zornographic. LOL

Posted by: jm220 | February 11, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

From the bog sorry forgot to add that.

Posted by: jm220 | February 11, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

"Stump Mitchell"

Sounds like a game show featuring Joe Don Baker.

(Wonder if anyone will get that.)

Posted by: freakzilla | February 11, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

jjwilson,

I have nothing against JLC and I am not barno. When I posted my reply JLC had just gone postal. He is a beat reporter. I don't expect a rosy report on a screwed up front office just reporting. On top of that he isn't writing an OPED-at least not yet. Personally I think Jason has gone above and beyond in this very difficult year but then again so did the owner.

The sad facts are that we have a bad situation in the front office. Until that goes away we get what we get. I don't need digs from JLC to tell me that.

Posted by: jandlml | February 11, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

BTW, in regards to a post-beep comment on the last post:

I want a t-shirt that says "ON TRACK with J-LAC".

Posted by: freakzilla | February 11, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

The biggest (in many ways) beneficiary of the the west coast offense will be Mike Sellers....Fb is actually used as more than a battering ram, expect him to get 75 to 100 touches..... I will sum up Dan Snyder this way "you never get a second chance to make a first impression" no matter what he and or the franchise does , he can't shake what we all think of him.......

Posted by: Oldschool | February 11, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

EB seemed like a good coach. He got CP running hard and betts had is best year under EB.

But Zorn needs some of his own I guess. Even though Alexander set some records he was, and is, a sissy running back.

Posted by: mul | February 11, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

It's obvious from this post that JLa hates people with the first name "Stump", Dan Snyder, Vinny Cerrato and the easter bunny.

Furthermore Dave Elfin told me he eats kitten sandwiches for lunch most days.

Sincerely,

Danbot....I mean...Skinz

Posted by: Skinz | February 11, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

A new psychological illness has pervaded DC.

Self-hating Redskin fans

The main characteristic: fans who love the team, the burgundy and gold (maroon and yellow?), the players and coaches, but loathe Danny and Vinny.

This illness forces the fan to confront deeply conflicting emotions. A prominent analyst described it this way. "Say your new car is smashed to pieces by a Playboy centerfold. And even though you know she will never love you, you want to love her anyway. And at least she spoke to you. But sadly and soon, all that remains is the smashed car and the silly fantasy about what might have been."

"We have no legal cure," added the expert, "but blogging has been known to provide temporary comfort."


Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 11, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

No wonder Gibbs didn't like talking to JLC.They would rather deal with Dave Elfin from the Times

Posted by: jjwilson312003 | February 11, 2008 01:50 PM

What does this mean? Who is Elfin from the Times? How do you know Gibbs didn't like talking to JLC? Is that common knowledge? Are you blaming the media?

Jla can be negative no doubt but there can be a reason. Remember he is in the building so he gets a feel for Dan and the FO. But there can be no doubt that when 2 DC take them selves out of the running for a "dream" job something is not right. Firing a top five DC also is a bit strange.

Zooooooooooooooooooooooorn!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: mul | February 11, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

jjwilson,

I have nothing against JLC and I am not barno....

I don't need digs from JLC to tell me that.

Posted by: jandlml | February 11, 2008 02:18 PM

jandlml,

I think you meant to aim this at me, not jjwilson. If so, I agree with you that there have been times Jason's blog reporting showed bias and was unnecessarily vindictive. In my view, this is the exception rather than the norm for the blog and Jason's other posts make up for these events, but you are certainly entitled to have and express a different opinion.

My point was that if you approach this blog with the misapprehension that a beat reporter is supposed to be "positive" about the team on which he is reporting, it's guaranteed you are going to his posts "way to (sic) negative"

Adam

Posted by: argh | February 11, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

David Elfin, along with Len Shapiro, is one of the reasons that Art Monk finally made the Hall. Got nothing bad to say about a guy who finally got a few dunderheads to finally see the light.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 11, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

"We have no legal cure," added the expert, "but blogging has been known to provide temporary comfort."


Posted by: zcezcest1

Best comment of the Day!!!

I need help if only I were old and could die soon. I am younger than Snyder. Maybe that is the split on the Blog. Those that will be taken from this world soon and can deal with Snyder for 10 more years and the 30-40 year peeps.

Leevi98 is old
T_E - I think he is old
Oldschool is old.

Posted by: mul | February 11, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

PS jandlml, you is the plural amorphous anyone reading the blog like this you, not you specifically. I was not singling you out and saying this is how you (singular) approach this blog.


Adam

Posted by: argh | February 11, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Wonder what our numbers are? 164,805.

Posted by: TheCindy | February 11, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Hooray for the blog, TheCindy!

Who needs maps anyway?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 11, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Why do we constantly have to have the "bias" argument when it comes to this blog?

When was it ever said that a blogger has to remain unbiased?

Reporting "the news" as in happenings of the day are meant to be done in an impartial fashion, particularly politics and world events. Does anyone remember Kornheiser's bandwagon? Cosell's MNF?

The WaPo pays Jason they don't seem to have any isue with his reporting, if they do they can fire him.

The best way for you (the Royal You that Adam refers to) to get rid of him is to not log on or post. By posting on here you are actually doing the "get rid of Jason" cause a disservice.

Posted by: Skinz | February 11, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Maroon and Black are the new colors of the new Redskyns!

Zorn got the job because he was the only candidate who correctly answered Snyder's multiple choice question about the new team's colors.

Way to go, Zorny!

Posted by: auto_d20 | February 11, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Can we start a "get rid of Chris Larry" campaign? lol

Posted by: jm220 | February 11, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

z
very well put, I think a small part in all of us actually wants to see the train wreck....even if it isn't true blogging does help a little.... and Mul, Danny and I are about the same age, so hopefully i got 40 + offseasons to 20/20......

Posted by: Oldschool | February 11, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Can we start a "get rid of Chris Larry" campaign? lol

Posted by: jm220 | February 11, 2008 03:00 PM


F ChriS LaRry

Posted by: Skinz | February 11, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Being a blogger and a reporter are totally different. By giving JLC his own blog, the Post is essentially allowing him to interject his own opinions. It's clear JLC has higher asperations other than just being a beat reporter, and this blog is kind of like columnist training ground for him.

I've found JLC's reporting to be quite objective, as it should be. His blogs, on the other hand, clearly are not, and I'm fine with that also.

Posted by: RambleOn | February 11, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Ladies and Gentleman, I would like to introduce our new OC.....Sherman Hemsley.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itGpmR5lKkI

Posted by: jjwilson312003 | February 11, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Can we start a "get rid of Chris Larry" campaign? lol

Posted by: jm220 | February 11, 2008 03:00 PM

It's already started. Barno's added it to his "get rid of PDiddy" campaign. Which he added to his original "get rid of the beat reporter" campaign.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 11, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Do I make you Zorny baby?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfGZsPLDkY8

This is going to be a fun training camp.

Posted by: MNSkinsFan | February 11, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

(Wonder if anyone will get that.)

Posted by: freakzilla | February 11, 2008 02:17 PM

I too heart MST3K and Mitchell! is one of my favourites...

Posted by: Redcoat | February 11, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Oldschool

If you are in your forties?

Oldschool you should be middleschool for another 15 years. Do you disco?

I am going to get about 45-60 years of Danny all together. I was only 8 when I got hooked.
I am good, I don't deserve this treatment.

Posted by: mul | February 11, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

MNSkinsFan,
That was choice.

(Sorry, Zilla you'll have to wait until quiting time, there is no way to summarize.)

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 11, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

What do we have to do to get on Brano's list?

Posted by: Redcoat | February 11, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

And is that the same as Barno1's list?

Posted by: Redcoat | February 11, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder's recipe for "success"...

-Promote Vinny Cerrato
-Piss off the fanbase the likes of which have never been seen
-Perform the most ridiculous, drawn out coaching search of all time, only to settle on a guy you promoted to first time OC 2 weeks prior
-Use the press conference to basically tell the fans "I told you so" and try to pass of "continuity" and "thorough" as many times as possible. If you believe it, it's not a lie. Have your new coach repeat this as to show someone else believes it to.
- Flank this new HC with an offensive co who's never been an offensive co.
-Have the new, completely overwhelmed HC try to call the plays as well as manage a franchise that is, at this point, destined to fail.
-Meddle in anything you possible can.

I've been a Redskins fan for 26 years now, I was born into it, and I can't get out. But am I the only one who is looking at this realistically?? I doubt it. Also, we're in the toughest division in football; that never helps.

We're fuked. Hate to say it, but we are. And we all know it.

Posted by: tcerand | February 11, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

What do we have to do to get on Brano's list?

Posted by: Redcoat | February 11, 2008 03:24 PM

You'd best ask him. He'll be happy to tell you. My impression is that all you have to do is to contradict him, vehemently, a few times. Helps to call him names, and none of those esoteric ones you use like "poltroon."

My impression is that Barno and Barno1 are the same poltroon, and if not God save us all.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 11, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

I too heart MST3K and Mitchell! is one of my favourites...

Posted by: Redcoat | February 11, 2008 03:19 PM

Have you seen "Final Justice" (episode 1008) also starring Mr. Baker?

Joe Don at his sweaty, bloated best. :)

Posted by: freakzilla | February 11, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Who runs that Redskins Insider Blog Wiki? Is it Chris Larry? Can whoever created it make a page for all of the doomsayers to go in and sign that we are going to suck and that "the Redskins will never win a championship as long as Snyder owns the team"? I look forward to seeing more than a few folks eat some crow when we make the playoffs this year, and win the super bowl in 2 or 3 years.......

Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 11, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Helps to call him names, and none of those esoteric ones you use like "poltroon."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 11, 2008 03:35 PM

Oh dear, I'll have to think about that then. Is Spalpeen more mainstream?

The worry I have is that Brano may finally have had a psychotic break and now there are multiple Barno's roaming the Intergoogles righting wrongs and enlightening the unwashed masses, i.e. everyone else, to the great conspiracies of life, e.g. Jasno not liking the Skins very much.

Such as, like, maps, etc.

Posted by: Redcoat | February 11, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat, you there? Sounds like Parcells & co. got out the chain saw on the deadwood this afternoon. Five guys cut!?! Trent Green, Booker, Shelton, Traylor, and someone else. Smells like a Monday at the office ...

Posted by: dcsween | February 11, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone seen that show - Pinky and the Brano?

Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 11, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Oops. Make that nine guys cut.

Posted by: dcsween | February 11, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Nevertheless, I am excited. After all, if you're going to go down, it may as well be in a ball of fire!

Posted by: teden | February 11, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Have you seen "Final Justice" (episode 1008) also starring Mr. Baker?

Joe Don at his sweaty, bloated best. :)

Posted by: freakzilla | February 11, 2008 03:37 PM

Not yet, but now I must. To see JDB swaying drunkenly through a movie is to watch greatness in action.

Are you a "Manos" fan or not? Me, I love it.

Posted by: Redcoat | February 11, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

dlhaze,

Chris Larry was the original inventor of the Wiki, but anyone can post on it. Like, even you. Just register and you can create any pages you want and invite others to contribute to your pages.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 11, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Aaaaahhhhhhh! Thanks!

Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 11, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

sween,

Among the Miami cuts, was there anyone for the 'Skins?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 11, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Who runs that Redskins Insider Blog Wiki? Is it Chris Larry? Can whoever created it make a page for all of the doomsayers to go in and sign that we are going to suck and that "the Redskins will never win a championship as long as Snyder owns the team"? I look forward to seeing more than a few folks eat some crow when we make the playoffs this year, and win the super bowl in 2 or 3 years.......

Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 11, 2008 03:41 PM


Is it just me or does everyone who mocks those doomsdayers/koolaide drinkers for making predictions then go on to make a prediction of their own?

Posted by: Skinz | February 11, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat, you there? Sounds like Parcells & co. got out the chain saw on the deadwood this afternoon. Five guys cut!?! Trent Green, Booker, Shelton, Traylor, and someone else. Smells like a Monday at the office ...

Posted by: dcsween | February 11, 2008 03:43 PM

I see you corrected it Sween, it was 9. Green wasn't going to be fit to play again, Cam actually sat and was going to cut Traylor when "player power" erupted on him and he ended up getting back on the field. Shelton made no impact this year and Marty Booker is a good honest #4 WR.

The other 5 guys released were just 5 guys, although if they'd been burgers they'd have been okay with Parcells around!

Sparano has apparently spent the last couple of weeks watching all of the game tapes and reviewing every player. He and Ireland have made decisions about who stays and who goes so they're clearing out ready for a big draft and free agency. I'd expect us to upgrade significantly in just about every area through FA with the draft for depth.

BTW most mocks seem to have us taking Long now which implies we are definitely trying to trade down from #1.

Posted by: Redcoat | February 11, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Dhaze1,
I wonder if there is a way to freeze a wiki page, to prevent editing? It would be interesting to see who's prognostications for 2008 are most accurate.

I'm betting Lisa. She was right about the Seahawks game and the super bowl.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 11, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

By invoking Barno's name, are you calling him back to the blog? Sort of like inviting a vampire into your house?

Posted by: johndinhouston | February 11, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

"Among the Miami cuts, was there anyone for the 'Skins?"

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 11, 2008 03:51 PM

Depends on how badly you want old guys from a crappy team (though I admit, I never heard of some of these guys so maybe some are young bubble riders who they are just getting around to firing) ...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3241124

Posted by: dcsween | February 11, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

" ... BTW most mocks seem to have us taking Long now which implies we are definitely trying to trade down from #1."

Posted by: Redcoat | February 11, 2008 03:53 PM

... or that Long is moving up.

Posted by: dcsween | February 11, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

"Among the Miami cuts, was there anyone for the 'Skins?"

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 11, 2008 03:51 PM

Depends on how badly you want old guys from a crappy team ...

Posted by: dcsween | February 11, 2008 03:54 PM

How soon you forget Trent... :-) I'm sure he could ride the pine at least as well as Brunell this year.

Posted by: Redcoat | February 11, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

By invoking Barno's name, are you calling him back to the blog? Sort of like inviting a vampire into your house?

Posted by: johndinhouston | February 11, 2008 03:53 PM

I said his name 3 times while looking in the bathroom mirror, and nothing happened. I was strangely afraid though.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 11, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

... or that Long is moving up.

Posted by: dcsween | February 11, 2008 03:56 PM

I think the theory is that we are trying to get Long at #3 by trading the #1 away to someone who covets McFadden.

Posted by: Redcoat | February 11, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

johnd--

You know, you articulated my foreboding. But I've noticed that he tends to do what he wants, summoned or unsummoned. Less like a vampire and more like a random number.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 11, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

I mean, look at Mario Williams THIS season ... and HIS dad never even did ANY commercials for RadioShack, much less get to hang around on set with Teri Hatcher ("and yes, Jerry, they're real ... and they're fantastic").

Posted by: dcsween | February 11, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

I heard Cerrato on 980 this morning with Doc.

I don't want to be unfair, but this man comes across as light, slow, shallow, and rather inarticulate. It's simply inexplicable that this rocket surgeon made it to his present position.

This front office is remarkably bereft of talent. Their upcoming off-season moves will
be entertaining for certain.

Posted by: gdennie | February 11, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

dlhaze,

Chris Larry was the original inventor of the Wiki, but anyone can post on it. Like, even you. Just register and you can create any pages you want and invite others to contribute to your pages.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 11, 2008 03:46 PM

The page has been created.....feel free to sign up.....

Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 11, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

A couple of quick hit thoughts...

I think this organization may have backed into actually getting the right guy. I'm not predicting Super Bowl or anything for 2008, 2009 or hell, even 2010 season... But I think this team will be competitive IF Snyder and Ceratto don't mess around with what Zorn tries to do.

Anyone else find it funny that Zorn raided Joe Gibbs' closet for his intro?

http://www.redskins.com/team/cprofile.jsp?id=46

Subliminal advertising at its best...

Posted by: dick | February 11, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

You clean house when the team is losing and the environment needs changing. As the old saying goes, shoot a few chiefs and you'll have the attention of the rest of the tribe (maybe not the best saying for RI ...)

Miami needs a shake up and Parcells knows how to do that.

As for the Skins, the players had a great and determined attitude ... no shake up needed. Of course, we have one anyway, so it remains to be seem if that attitude can be recaptured with the changes. My guess is the players will play hard, but it'll be a step down and we'll see 6-10.

Of course, those who think Cowher will ride to the rescue then ... ummm ... NO!!! Cowher will work for a good owner

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 11, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

"... I think the theory is that we [the Phins] are trying to get Long at #3 by trading the #1 away to someone who covets McFadden."

Posted by: Redcoat | February 11, 2008 03:58 PM

I covet McFadden, but I'm a teeny bit over the cap and re-structuring my guts out (using some language I picked up from a personal advisor), but maybe I'll go for some of those Parcells burgers ...

Posted by: dcsween | February 11, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Come over to Ashburn for a Five Guys any time you like Sween. I never need an excuse to eat one of those.

And we can restructure our guts out afterwards!

Posted by: Redcoat | February 11, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Re: Cowher, I wonder whether John Fox has been put on double secret probation (except that he knows about it) ... the Panthers are the southern version of the Cards of the east ... they are perennially favored to have a HUGE year, but only have a good year. [The difference btwn the Panthers and the Card is that the Cards rarely have even a good year.]

Posted by: dcsween | February 11, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Mmmmmm ... Five guys ... regular two patty cheeseburger with sauteed onions and mushrooms ... gllhhrrrr ...

Posted by: dcsween | February 11, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Just heard Danny quoted on Redskins radio saying we're a competitive team in a very competitive division and that we would be in a "dogfight." Seriously. Not exactly politically correct in the NFL today, but could Danny be interested in a certain QB to run his West Coast offense after his prison term is over? Just trying to connect the dots and read the tea leaves.

Posted by: godiva2 | February 11, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Didn't Fox get a big new 5-year contract at the beginning of last year Sween? If so, it would be expensive to get rid of him.

Posted by: Redcoat | February 11, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

If Gibbs in three years (with the exception of his fourth year) couldn't bring this team above mediocrity why do we think that Jim Zorn who is largely unproven can do something that even a HOF coach could not do? I guess the dynamic duo knows something we don't know?

I'm predicting that Zorn will be here less than 18 months, which was the average tenure of his predecessors!

Posted by: skinsfan7 | February 11, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Fox did get a contract ... weren't we supposed to be focusing on Five Guys burgers?

Also, the only way M.Vick finds his way back into the NFL during anything vaguely resembling his youth is to find religion in the joint and change his name. Either that or he has to re-learn how to fake earnestness because he is way on the outs with Goodell.

Posted by: dcsween | February 11, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

If Snyder was sniffing around Vick, he sure wouldn't be using words like "dogfight".

Posted by: tafka | February 11, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Zorn gets cover like Joe never had ... which is that all the personnel stuff gets pinned on the new EVP, regardless of whether Zorn gets a veto opportunity in the draft/free agency or not.

Posted by: dcsween | February 11, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Correct me if you see this a different way, but the way I interpret The Owner's words is that Coach Zorn only gets a "veto" ... not roster control. [Also, not sure how or when Jim Zorn became a plural.]
________

"Our coach has the final say on the roster, has the final say in the draft room and free agency," owner Daniel Snyder said on Sunday. "If they don't want 'em, we don't bring 'em in."

Posted by: dcsween | February 11, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Anyone see the NFL networks top 10 special on the greatest "power backs"? They had Riggo as #2 behind only Jim Brown; it was a pretty good piece.....

Posted by: dlhaze1 | February 11, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Hey, he got one thing right, all of the sudden the NFC East is looking pretty strong.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 11, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Zorn gets cover like Joe never had ... which is that all the personnel stuff gets pinned on the new EVP, regardless of whether Zorn gets a veto opportunity in the draft/free agency or not.

Posted by: dcsween | February 11, 2008 04:15 PM

Uh, sween, realistically the way this will work is that all personnel successes are Vinny's. And, failures? "We advised Jim against it, but he insisted that the guy could contribute."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 11, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

I had to stop focusing on Five Guys as the drool was clogging up my keyboard.

And arteries...

The one thing that puzzles me about the whole "Hail Zorn!" thing is that the NFC East is now undisputably the hardest division in football. Next year you have 6 knock-down drag-em-outs with the reigning champion Giants, NFC East champion Cowgrrls and recent Super Bowlers Iggles.

What tricks have those many years in the powder-puff NFC West taught Zorn about the trench warfare that he's going to be subjected to? The Seahawks barely play in chilly weather, let alone the Meadowlands in the conditions you played this (last) season.

I mean a good year for you guys might be finishing 3rd in your division and scraping the #6 seed again. Still at least you'd be better armed when you go to Seattle again I suppose.

An odd one that.

Posted by: Redcoat | February 11, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat,

Gotta love "Manos." Appropriate that probably the worst movie ever made was one of the best episodes of MST3K.

I don't think "Final Justice" is yet available on DVD, but it can be had from the Internets, if you're into file sharing and downloading torrents, such as.

Posted by: freakzilla | February 11, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

With the 'Skins putting in the "west coast offense," there's one thing you can write down now and take to the bank: they will draft a big receiver early in this year's draft. The slant routes are big in the WCO, and most coaches don't want their little guys to spend most of the time in the hospital, so they want bigger guys to go over the middle. We don't have any proven big receivers, so that's where I believe we'll go, probably with our first round pick.

Posted by: rbpalmer | February 11, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

"You see what you want to see, and you hear what you want to hear."

It's nice to see that things have started to settle back down here. Maybe the DanBots and ES-tools have decided to return to 6 Flags/ Ashburn for now.

Posted by: tafka | February 11, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Our coach has the final say on the roster, has the final say in the draft room and free agency," owner Daniel Snyder said on Sunday. "If they don't want 'em, we don't bring 'em in."

Posted by: dcsween | February 11, 2008 04:19 PM

It sounds like Zorn only has the air bag while Cerrato and Snyder have the steering wheel and the accelerator.

Posted by: driley | February 11, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Coat,
I think you may be on target here. Schedule and injuries will be a big factor next year, ahem, assuming of course, the Skins coaching situation has a favorable outcome.

(I feel good about it. No really, I do.)

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 11, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

rb, gbnreport.com had us taking Calais Campbell with out first and Adarius Bowman with out second in a recent mock they had. I'd be ok with both those guys.

rc, seems like grasping at straws if you ask me. How did the powder puff NFC west fare against the NFC East this year?

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 11, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Our coach has the final say on the roster, has the final say in the draft room and free agency," owner Daniel Snyder said on Sunday. "If they don't want 'em, we don't bring 'em in."

Posted by: dcsween | February 11, 2008 04:19 PM

On past form Zorn may have to practice 'draftus interruptus' with the gruesome twosome pretty regularly.

Posted by: Redcoat | February 11, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat,

It probably won't be much different than Zorn having to face the Raiders and Broncos twice every year (when those teams were SB contenders/pretenders regularly). As for the cold, wasn't Zorn in Minnesota for 2 years? That should take care of that issue.

Posted by: tafka | February 11, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

But I think this team will be competitive IF Snyder and Ceratto don't mess around with what Zorn tries to do.

Posted by: dick | February 11, 2008 04:00 PM


And if Rosie O'Donnell were my aunt, she'd be my uncle.

Posted by: freakzilla | February 11, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

"Our coach has the final say on the roster, has the final say in the draft room and free agency," owner Daniel Snyder said on Sunday. "If they don't want 'em, we don't bring 'em in."

If anyone believes that contact me please.

Skinz
President
Everglades Realty

Posted by: Skinz | February 11, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

rc, seems like grasping at straws if you ask me. How did the powder puff NFC west fare against the NFC East this year?

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 11, 2008 04:27 PM

How did the powder-puff NFC West fare once they had to leave home Greg? I seem to recall Green Bay giving them quite a beat-down. Seahawks at home are not the same as Seahawks anywhere else.

I don't know whether this will work out for you guys but I hope it does, as it will make my out-laws and Mrs Redcoat a little less grumpy about football.

I just don't see that Zorn has any exposure to the sort of games that he's going to be Head Coaching - not QB coaching - in, next year, and that's surprising for all the reasons I listed above.

It's a brave choice, no two ways about it.

Posted by: Redcoat | February 11, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

I am going out on a limb and saying our regular season record will be somewhere between 0-16 and 16-0. Just getting it out there before all the "experts" come in with their useless predictions.

We got our coach named Zorn
Though many give him scorn
I hope he is as good as day Gibbs was born
Though we should not toot our own horn

Zorn mentioned our guy Taylor who we all mourn
But let our emotions not be torn
Because we got our man called Zorn.

Posted by: fearturtle44 | February 11, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Somebody please explain why Ernest Byner has not been given a new contract..He is a heckava of a coach....

Posted by: les395 | February 11, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

I blacked out. What happened? Oh, totally reasonable. We appointed Seattle's version of Bill Lazor to do Snyder's bidding for a year when everyone else said no?

I feel bad for Zorn. He's walking into the lion's den with a steak necklace.

Vinny = Pinky
Snyder, Dan = The Brain

Cue the theme song and one month cartoon...

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | February 11, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

We ARE NOT going to run the WC Offense. Especially, if we hire any OC that does not know the WC Offense (like JLaC has been saying-Dude from Tenn), how can we run the WCO if only one coach knows it??? And that's the HC!


Posted by: 4thFloor | February 11, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

We ARE NOT going to run the WC Offense. Especially, if we hire any OC that does not know the WC Offense (like JLaC has been saying-Dude from Tenn), how can we run the WCO if only one coach knows it??? And that's the HC!


Posted by: 4thFloor | February 11, 2008 04:41 PM

It will sure be an interesting looking learning curve.

Posted by: driley | February 11, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

"Our coach has the final say on the roster, has the final say in the draft room and free agency," owner Daniel Snyder said on Sunday. "If they don't want 'em, we don't bring 'em in."

This concept isn't so difficult to figure out if you can assume for a moment that Snyder and Vinny aren't trying to create a roster that loses every game. Even the fantasy football player generally wants to win (even if he/she has no clue).

For example, the coaches evaluate the film of 2007, grade the players and decide where replacements are needed. Then the coaches watch film and grade out possible replacements. Zorn goes to Vinny and says, "It would be really good if we could get D. J. Hackett in free agency."

Vinny tries to get Hackett, but the free agency price is too high. He comes back and says to Zorn, "I can't get Hackett, but I can get you Marty Booker." Zorn responds, "Booker? Are you freaking kidding me? Booker?!?

Now Vinny has to go back to square one and find someone who will be acceptable. It's not such a big deal, and probably similar to the way it was done in the Gibbs years.

Remember, Snyder and Vinny WANT to win. Desire is not the issue; competency is.

Posted by: tafka | February 11, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

RC, but as someone pointed out, Zorn does have exposure PLAYING in highly competitive games when he was a player, and back when the AFC West was full of some good teams. Much ado about nothing I think....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 11, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Does Brian Billick run the WCO?

Posted by: Redcoat | February 11, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

RC, but as someone pointed out, Zorn does have exposure PLAYING in highly competitive games when he was a player, and back when the AFC West was full of some good teams.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 11, 2008 04:45 PM

I hope you're right Greg. I'm not sure I see what it has to do with it but I hope you're right.

Posted by: Redcoat | February 11, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

The only problem I have with Zorn is he never has been on a winning team. He has been close, though.

Games won a National Championship while coaching under John Robinson @ USC. And he took the Doug Williams led Bucs to the NFC Championship Game as the OC. I think he did the same with St. Louis Cardinals as well.

I also don't like AFC guys as NFC East Head Coaches......

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 11, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

The current SB champs were 3-5 at home.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 11, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Did seatle and Holmgren Run a zone blocking scheme?

Posted by: sthai75 | February 11, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Zorn played in the AFC Championship game in 1983, maybe?

Posted by: tafka | February 11, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone know where I can get some help. I am really struggling with my addiction to Zornography.

It's only in the beginning stages, but I can already tell it will become debilitating very quickly. I find myself on internet chat rooms, looking at YouZorn...its terrible. Someone please help me.

Posted by: dchandler | February 11, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

The current SB champs were 3-5 at home.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 11, 2008 04:50 PM

Okay Greg, I give. We're going to have to agree to differ, but if you think the Skins can go 3-5 at home and get to the playoffs from the NFC East, let alone win the SB, I have a bridge I'd like to sell you.

Posted by: Redcoat | February 11, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

RC, agree to disagree, but the how far off from reality can it be considering that the Giants just did it?

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 11, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Okay, maybe Zorn was just head cheerleader and clipboard holder in the 1983 playoffs. Experience by osmosis.

Posted by: tafka | February 11, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

RC, agree to disagree, but the how far off from reality can it be considering that the Giants just did it?

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 11, 2008 04:57 PM

I see your point, I just don't see that particular lightning striking again for a while is all. Anyway it's all good!

Posted by: Redcoat | February 11, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

you're my boy blu, you're my boy...

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 11, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Hey leave the buying and selling to the professionals!

Posted by: LongandFoster | February 11, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Now Vinny has to go back to square one and find someone who will be acceptable. It's not such a big deal, and probably similar to the way it was done in the Gibbs years.

Remember, Snyder and Vinny WANT to win. Desire is not the issue; competency is.

Posted by: tafka | February 11, 2008 04:45 PM

You are right except vinny was ordering pizzas his last year.

Posted by: mul | February 11, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

I meant to say Gibbs was part of that USC Championship team. Sorry...

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 11, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Zorn was kind of like the Trent Green of his day, but without the concussions. Quick accurate passes to Largent. Not much of a running game or defense for Seattle in those days.

Posted by: tafka | February 11, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Junk Food Post
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In a rare junk food purchase, I bought a bag of Jalepeno Cheddar Cheetos from the machine here at work. I give them an A-. Could be a tad bit spicier (though the cumulative effect is good if you eat the whole bag). Good flavor, though.


Also, at the Super Bowl party I went to, one of the hosts made bacon-wrapped jalepeno poppers. Each was a whole jalepeno (with seeds) stuffed with cream cheese, wrapped with a piece of bacon. Baked, not deep fried. Very good. Very, very hot, since they're served the way jalepenos should be -- seeds included. Do not ingest without beer handy.

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End Junk Food Post


Now I'm going to eat an orange to make up for my Cheetos indulgence.

Posted by: freakzilla | February 11, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Coughlin was part of the NY Giants Caoaching staff during the 2 SB victories. Lombardi won multiple Championships with NY as the DC before he went to Green Bay. Andy Reid won a SB as QB Coach of the PAckers. Wade Phillips has been and always will be a loser.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 11, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

leave the housing market to the "professionals" = market crash

Posted by: tafka | February 11, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Ok the names got me confused. Did Seattle make La-zor there head coach or did we make Zorn our head coach.

Have you noticed the Zorn's prized QB chocks in the Big games?

Also why do our fired coaches get new high paying gigs in hours? Except Saunder's son. The rest of the NFL is so stupid.


Posted by: mul | February 11, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Saunders' son is getting a new job with the St. Louis Rams. It may only be "Assistant Coach - Quality Control - Laundry", but at least it's a job in the NFL.

Posted by: tafka | February 11, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

New Theory of Hope -

Movie - Major League - Also sort of the Natural (plot)

The female owner tired to lose as many games as she could for some monetary reason. She brought in a bunch of 'misfits' to lose. They find out and dedicate themselves to winning. They put up a card board cutout of there owner reviling more skin for each win.

This could be the Cowher plan but could backfire.

Posted by: mul | February 11, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Saunders' son is getting a new job with the St. Louis Rams. It may only be "Assistant Coach - Quality Control - Laundry", but at least it's a job in the NFL.

Posted by: tafka | February 11, 2008 05:13 PM

Yes but not high paid in hours.

Does Tenn have a good offense? Why do we want one of there o coaches on our team?

Posted by: mul | February 11, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

But mul, Snyder showers with the team, so where's the mystery?

Posted by: freakzilla | February 11, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

My butt is two low, so I can't explode into the blog properly.

So sayeth the Zorn:

Posted by: mul | February 11, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

But mul, Snyder showers with the team, so where's the mystery?

Posted by: freakzilla | February 11, 2008 05:19 PM

This could make me get religion.

Posted by: driley | February 11, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

I mean - My butt is too low

Posted by: mul | February 11, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

I guess the rumours of Fassel being our new OC are dead now!

Posted by: kost52 | February 11, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

kost,

Rumors never really die. They just decay a little bit, and then come back to try to eat your brain.

Posted by: freakzilla | February 11, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Couple things. The west coast offense is not some dominant offense anymore. Teams have been running it for 20 years and most teams can defend against. Its not a bad offense, just not what it used to be. Ironically, offenses more like the Al Saunders offense (including the Pats) have been more effective in recent years.

As for Zorn, no one knows what he brings as a HC. I know people will throw out the analogy to Reid and a couple others, but the odds are against Zorn succeeding.

At some level, I think this is Danny's attempt to find a Joe Gibbs 1.0 type coach. The guy everyone else overlooked, but turns out to be a great coach. It is the way the owner gets to look like the genius. That and the fact that a lot of the top candidates knew better than to work for Danny.

Under the normal coaching change conditions (underachieving team, trouble in the locker room, etc), I would applaud a team taking a chance on a guy like Zorn. But the thing is, the Skins are a playoff team that was getting better -- knocking off the SB champs among others in late season, must win games. You need a guy who can build on that ... Zorn simply has no track record there

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 11, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

" ... What tricks have those many years in the powder-puff NFC West taught Zorn about the trench warfare that he's going to be subjected to? The Seahawks barely play in chilly weather, let alone the Meadowlands in the conditions you played this (last) season. ..."

Posted by: Redcoat | February 11, 2008 04:21 PM

Zorn has skinned a coyote.

Posted by: dcsween | February 11, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

kost, did you live in Australia?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 11, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

freak, I said that in reference to his comments about the Coaching job.

http://beta.profootballtalk.com/2008/02/11/fassel-burns-bridge-back-to-nfl-gig/

Posted by: kost52 | February 11, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

With Jasno out, and Steinbog honing in on the heart of jibba jabba, I hope you guys are keeping up ...

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2008/02/jim_zorn_makes_qbs_puke_skins.html

"From Sports Illustrated, in 1984:

When Jim Zorn was the Seahawks' starting quarterback from 1976 to 83, he was consumed by football. But since Oct. 28, 1983, when he was replaced by Dave Krieg, Zorn has had more free time. Oftentimes he pedal his mountain bike -- Zorn and a friend are currently marketing a model called The Raven -- on paths near his Mercer lsland, Wash. home. One day a few weeks ago, he donned a diver's dry suit and went windsurfing on Lake Washington in 30mph winds. He also learned to skin a coyote."

Posted by: dcsween | February 11, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

kost, did you live in Australia?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 11, 2008 05:45 PM


I've never left mate!

Posted by: kost52 | February 11, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

whereabouts?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 11, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

kost, did you live in Australia?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 11, 2008 05:45 PM

DID!?!?! Newbie......

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 11, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

"Among the Miami cuts, was there anyone for the 'Skins?"

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 11, 2008 03:51 PM

The Panthers cut Mike Wahle today (because he costs too much). He's only 30 ... which means he's got two fewer seasons than Kendall. Could be a new stop gap kinda guy before the Skins get serious about keeping all of their draft picks (also has won the popularity contest before, i.e., the trip to Hawaii).

Posted by: dcsween | February 11, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Melbourne bud.

Posted by: kost52 | February 11, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

So you buying when I get to town???

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 11, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Sure thing mate! When you coming?

Posted by: kost52 | February 11, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: c_fusion | February 11, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

2 weeks, where abouts in the Melbourne area?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 11, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

I just had lunch with a friend of mine who plays for the Seahawks. He loves Zorn but, in his exact words, "He is going to get walked over by that owner and by those players. That's a locker room with some big personalities, and he doesn't stand a chance."

Sigh...

Posted by: PDiddy | February 11, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: kost52 | February 11, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest1 - I said last week that this offense will prob be the grandson version of the WCO.

Grand Parents A - WCO
Grand Parents B - Coryell Offense

One personality will ultimately dominate. I say it will be Coryell and Buges. I have this strange feeling that Buges is working more as a peer in the offense instead of Zorn being his boss and dictationg....


If you noticed, the Seahawks primarily ran a 3 WR set after their FB retired due to neck injuries......

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 11, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Thank you ditty for the info. Don't let your friend talk to the writers at the post though could be bad for Skins PR.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 11, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

I'm in the Northern Suburbs, about 25mins from the city.

Posted by: kost52 | February 11, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

I just had lunch with a friend of mine who plays for the Seahawks. He loves Zorn but, in his exact words, "He is going to get walked over by that owner and by those players. That's a locker room with some big personalities, and he doesn't stand a chance."

Sigh...

Posted by: PDiddy | February 11, 2008 05:59 PM

If true, than I know we will be playing Redskins Football this season.

I envision Buges pulling the strings of the HC. (Zorn to Buges when being punked: "Dude?!?")

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 11, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

I'll be in East Brighton, about 45 minutes away

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 11, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

I could really go for some creamedZorn.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 11, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Good stuff! here's my email kost52athotmaildotcom

How long you going to be down for?

Posted by: kost52 | February 11, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Zorn has a few things going in his favor. The Skins have a pretty mature locker room. Guys who don't like losing. Zorn will have Blache and perhaps Bugel. The players won't run amok. The issue is whether Zorn can get these players to play at a high level.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 11, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Now that I've had a few days to think this over, I've decided this is the last straw.

It's just amazing the similarities between the failed Bush Administration and the failed Snyder Administration in Washington:
Corrupt rise to power
Unqualified cronies in powerful positions
Secret meetings/interviews, etc
Control of mass media to cover-up errors
Press releases of bad news at curious times

The list goes on...

I don't think this makes me a fair weather fan because I'm leaving a playoff team with loads of talent and promise.
Buy Snyder has turned this team into a team to hate, not love. The examples of how Snyder turned a class organization into a trashy team on par with the Cowboys and Raiders are far too many to list here.
I stayed on for this B.S. through Gibbs 2.0, but now I have no loyalty to this team.
And now this ridiculous coaching process ending with hiring a guy with no head coaching experience and doesn't even know the team colors?!? Enough already.

Those of you who have unconditional love for this team, good for you. I know you will never leave the 'Skins and I envy your ability to do that. But not me.

After 30 years of being an obsessed Redskins fan, I now declare my boycott.

Posted by: jgarrisn | February 11, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

22nd thru Mar 3, except 27/28 when I'll be up in Sydney. Will email you with the rest

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 11, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

So maybe we are secretly planing on changing the uniform for the Zorn Era thats why he got the colors wrong.

Posted by: alex35332 | February 11, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Look, I'm in Zorn's camp. I don't know where the Mercury News guy got his info that he's not a good communicator. I think Zorn is a plenty good communicator, and his players love him.

But I'm of the mind that the dude is a great position coach and while I'm happy he got his shot, it was a stretch (in a good way) for him to be a coordinator, and it's a HUGE stretch (in a bad way) for him to be a head man.

When I was building organizations in the business world, I always looked for hungry folks who had a thing or two to prove to others. They worked hard, I trusted them and got out of their way, and I built an organization full of folks who are now in key positions throughout my old company or entrepreneurs doing their own thing (successfully) outside. I always wanted really smart people who were a little bit out of their depth because I knew they wouldn't let me down and I know their egos would force them to double down on effort when they didn't know something or when things got tough. But I would never, say, pluck a college kid out of the ranks and elevate him to CEO. Maybe give her a first shot at management, maybe give him a huge bump in responsibility on a major project, etc. But to name them to the top job? I'm nuts, I'm not crazy.

This Zorn hire is ludicrous in every way, and only a 'Skins fan could possibly look at it with rose-colored glasses. The Dynamic Duo tried everything they could, but it appears no one else wanted a job where they were hamstrung by management with a poor League-wide reputation, bad personnel decisions, and a staff they could not name.

The one thing that could save Zorn is this OC job being open. He needs to pick someone experienced for that job, someone who can be a mentor as much as a top flight coordinator. Someone like Tom Moore in Indy (not Moore, obviously, he's never leaving, but someone like him.) Zorn should NOT name his buddies (the guys Jasno has floated). He should find a former head coach that he can trust.

Posted by: PDiddy | February 11, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

He should find a former head coach that he can trust.


Posted by: PDiddy | February 11, 2008 06:15 PM


Mooch??

Posted by: kost52 | February 11, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

I'm looking at this thing for what it is: a lease - low down payment with an option to buy. No way Danny took a month to pick a guy who doesn't know the team's colors. He envisions getting the guy he wants next year if this choice doesn't work out. Dumping Zorn after one bad season looks "less foolish" than bringing in a more expensive, established guy and jettisoning him when your huckleberry becomes available.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | February 11, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

http://fusion.stolaf.edu/athletics/index.cfm?fuseaction=NewsDetails&id=1691
Meidt takes job with Redskins

Mike Ludwig
February 11, 2008

NORTHFIELD, Minn. - Chris Meidt resigned as head football coach at St. Olaf on Monday to accept an offensive assistant position with the National Football League's Washington Redskins.

Meidt led St. Olaf to a 40-20 record in his six seasons at the helm. The Oles were 8-2 in each of the last three years - the first such stretch of eight-win seasons since 1969-71.

Meidt will work under an offensive coordinator yet to be named. Jim Zorn was hired as offensive coordinator on Jan. 26, but was named head coach on Saturday to replace Joe Gibbs, who retired Jan. 8.

"I wouldn't have left St. Olaf for any other college," said Meidt. "But this is an opportunity I couldn't let pass by."

In 2007, St. Olaf ranked as high as 13th in the D3Football.com poll and 15th in the American Football Coaches Association poll.

St. Olaf had a high-powered offense under Meidt. The Oles ranked in the top eight in the country in total offense and scoring in the last three seasons and set school records for points (49.0/game) and total offense (512.8 yards/game) last fall.

Meidt's recruiting classes boasted three All-America selections and 31 first team All-MIAC picks, including a league-best 23 over the last two seasons.

St. Olaf will begin a national search for Meidt's replacement in the coming weeks.

Posted by: kerzon417 | February 11, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Not sure after a quick scan of the posts here whether this has been posted yet ... but it's brilliance I thought Redskins Nation could appreciate:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IW-pcmIHH5Y

Again, apologies if it's a repeat post. If not ... watch and weep. With laughter.
(This isn't the Zorn slip 'n' slide piece. Promise.)

Posted by: ksimonetti | February 11, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

kerzon417 - Good get!

Posted by: kost52 | February 11, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

kerzon- how in the hell did you find something like that?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 11, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

I have a google search for any Skins news. Plenty of negitive news out there but only interested in positive news.

I just refresh my google search every few min. to see what I can find.

Posted by: kerzon417 | February 11, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

nice simonetti... let it be known that from the very beginning bringing Lombardi back to life was MY idea!

Posted by: Dorf | February 11, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Is it "positive" news that the Skins signed a guy who's great at recruiting and coaching undersized football players? No St. Olaf player has played in the NFL since 1964. http://www.databasefootball.com/players/bycollege.htm?sch=St.+Olaf+College

Posted by: learnedhand1 | February 11, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: kerzon417 | February 11, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 11, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

There are some very negative Zorn articles out there, but they are kind of weak. The real issue is that smart teams are locking up good assistants and committing them to get the promotion.

This has been done if effect with the Colts and Seahawks, both good organizations. It is sort of happening with Garrett and Spags, where they are getting big $$ to stay put.

Teams are learning they need to promote their talent to keep it. Danny is headed a different direction ... if your coaching talent has its act together ... get rid of it.

simonetti -- hadn't seen that youtube video -- its funny -- thx for the link

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 11, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Stumped, sounds like we could have a very aggressive outlook next season!

Posted by: kost52 | February 11, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Kost,
Yeah, I like the stat-head thing. But in the NFL they may expect the unexpected if that's your MO.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 11, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Meidt had to come cheap and who knows if he has some good ideas. Just can't see losing sleep over that one.

heard a guy interviewed on the radio this AM ... he did a documentary on the long college hoops losing streak of CalTech. 21 years!!! Apparently they had an 8 year losing streak (2nd longest in college hoops history) before beating a team. The team that CalTech beat was coached by a guy who now has a bunch of rings ... Greg Popovich.

So just cuz Meidt was at tiny St. Olaf, doesn't mean a thing.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 11, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

So do you reckon Meidt's role will be as a consultant to Zorn, to help him decide if/when to go for it in certain situtions?

After reading Stumped's article, it sounds like he might be used more in that capacity, than in a coaching role.

Posted by: kost52 | February 11, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Love that gunslinger mentality!

Meidt who?

http://www.momentummedia.com/articles/cm/cm1210/runningnumbers.htm

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 11, 2008 07:07 PM

Posted by: kerzon417 | February 11, 2008 7:22 PM | Report abuse

I'm looking at this thing for what it is: a lease - low down payment with an option to buy. No way Danny took a month to pick a guy who doesn't know the team's colors. He envisions getting the guy he wants next year if this choice doesn't work out. Dumping Zorn after one bad season looks "less foolish" than bringing in a more expensive, established guy and jettisoning him when your huckleberry becomes available.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | February 11, 2008 06:21 PM
____________________________

There's that. And there's the possibility the Skins face the Seahawks AGAIN in the playoffs next year, so you want their offensive minds working HERE.

Posted by: Xlnt | February 11, 2008 7:22 PM | Report abuse

He'll probably be the principal Info Analyst, assuming he was selected by Zorn, he'll be man in Zorn's ear piece.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 11, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

After some of the decision making gaffs we made last season, I like the idea of having someone on the sidelines, who specialises in knowing the percentages for what path to take in specific situations.

Posted by: kost52 | February 11, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

http://www.kare11.com/sports/sports_article.aspx?storyid=497854
Chris Meidt resigned Monday as head coach of the St. Olaf football team after six seasons in Northfield. Meidt announced Monday he has accepted a job with the Washington Redskins of the NFL. Meidt will be an offensive assistant under the offensive coordinator yet to be named.

Meidt will join Jim Zorn who was named head coach of the Redskins Saturday. The two became friends when Zorn was quarterbacks coach at the University of Minnesota in the mid-1990s.
...

Posted by: kerzon417 | February 11, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

That's a ridiculous analogy. Greg Popovich has rings because he coached/coaches teams with great players. And basketball isn't even comparable. One guy can dominate a game. Not so much in football.

After reading the running numbers article, it appears Meidt is expected to bring hijinks not coaching acumen.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | February 11, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Meidt- qb coach

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 11, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

There's that. And there's the possibility the Skins face the Seahawks AGAIN in the playoffs next year, so you want their offensive minds working HERE.

Posted by: Xlnt | February 11, 2008 07:22 PM

There's that and the possibility that you are on better drugs than the rest of us ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 11, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

?Meidt received an MBA from the Carlson School of
Management at the University of Minnesota in 1996 after
completing a B.A. degree in mathematics from Bethel
College in 1992. He served as offensive coordinator at three
schools: Columbia Heights (1990-92), Becker (93-94), and
Bethel College (95-2001). Following the 2001 campaign,
Meidt was named National Assistant Coach of the Year by
the American Football Coaches Association.He has had his
quarterbacks receive all-conference recognition in eight of
his ten years coaching college football.
As a prep quarterback at Minneota High, Meidt
set Minnesota and National high school passing records for
single-season and career attempts, completions, passing
yards, and passing touchdowns, and was named All-State,
All-American, and Minnesota AP Player of the Year.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 11, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps its the Patriots model they're after. Check out this blog comment...


Oles a no class team
Submitted by Anonymous User (not verified) on Mon, 10/01/2007 - 10:26pm.

I was at the St. Olaf-Gustavus game on Saturday afternoon and the Olaf team is full of no class individuals led by their head coach, Chris Meidt. With seven penalties and at least 3 unsportsman-like conduct just the start of a long list of actions that show the lack of respect for the game and their opponent. The main issue being the the Olaf's coaching stuff choice to thrown every down when up by 30 points mid-way through the 3rd quarter. I understand there is alot of time left and comebacks may happen-but there is no reason to throw everyday for the sake of "padding stats" in order to make new claims. Meidt should be ashamed of himself, his staff, and the school should be ashamed for allowing this to happen-although we shouldn't be surprised that St. Olaf is at the front of using inflated stats to promote itself.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 11, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Zorn was interviewed on Sportsnet tonight and he said he would be bringing someone in to help him so that he can devote lots of time to Jason Campbell. Guess that "someone" is Chris Meidt.

Posted by: Lisa_R | February 11, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Maybe he's here to help JC's throwing motion and accuracy.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 11, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Oles a no class team
Submitted by Anonymous User (not verified) on Mon, 10/01/2007 - 10:26pm.

I was at the St. Olaf-Gustavus game on Saturday afternoon and the Olaf team is full of no class individuals led by their head coach, Chris Meidt. With seven penalties and at least 3 unsportsman-like conduct just the start of a long list of actions that show the lack of respect for the game and their opponent. The main issue being the the Olaf's coaching stuff choice to thrown every down when up by 30 points mid-way through the 3rd quarter. I understand there is alot of time left and comebacks may happen-but there is no reason to throw everyday for the sake of "padding stats" in order to make new claims. Meidt should be ashamed of himself, his staff, and the school should be ashamed for allowing this to happen-although we shouldn't be surprised that St. Olaf is at the front of using inflated stats to promote itself.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 11, 2008 07:30 PM

Sounds like a Gustavus fan

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 11, 2008 7:32 PM | Report abuse

I really can't believe that there is even a discussion about a guy from St. Olaf (ever seen the Golden girls?)

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 11, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

So if Danny listens to Vinny and Vinny has a man-crush on Zorn, this is Zorn's hire.

If this is Zorn's hire, then he is hiring the offensive assistants before the OC.

Hmmmmm. Deja Vu.
(What me worry?)

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 11, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

So we have our first branch of the Zorn coaching tree.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | February 11, 2008 7:38 PM | Report abuse

So you think Beatrice Arthur is our next OC?

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 11, 2008 7:38 PM | Report abuse

I feel sorry for Todd Collins. He never got any official props from Redskins Park at the end of the season. And nobody even mentions his name anymore in an official capacity.

Posted by: Xlnt | February 11, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Stumped, this might've been a hire he was going to make when he was just OC, maybe he had Meidt in mind when Jack Burns was given the boot.

I agree with what PDiddy said earlier, I think we should be looking at an OC who is experienced. The guy they are looking at in Tennessee doesn't call plays, so I'm not sure if he's a good hire. Would be good for Zorn to have someone reliable who he can lean on.

Posted by: kost52 | February 11, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 11, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

I wonder how you say it? Made? Mide? Mead?


Mmmmmm Mead

Posted by: kost52 | February 11, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Are "Sherman" and "Stump" both verbs?

Posted by: Xlnt | February 11, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Meat?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 11, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Might

http://www.southjerseynews.com/faith/f030803a.htm


You know what this means. We've just added The Meidt Of Zorn!

Posted by: kost52 | February 11, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

I agree too kost. Diddy's comment made too much sense. Zorn better surround himself with some gifted staff, or this team is toast.

Trouble is my senses are telling me that Zorn and Meade will be calling the plays on game day.

(This can work, really it can work.)

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 11, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

The Meidt Of Zorn!

Doughnut power!

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 11, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

any word on the fate of those guys who were on a hunger strike until Danny found a new coach ??

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 11, 2008 8:14 PM | Report abuse

I feel sorry for Todd Collins. He never got any official props from Redskins Park at the end of the season. And nobody even mentions his name anymore in an official capacity.

Posted by: Xlnt | February 11, 2008 07:41 PM


But they're selling his jersey. That's something, right?

http://store.redskins.com/productinfo.asp?item=1304&deptcode1=&sn=2&st=todd%20collins

http://store.redskins.com/productinfo.asp?item=1303&deptcode1=&sn=1&st=todd%20collins


Of course, since the jerseys are custom printed upon ordering, the Skins aren't exactly taking a gamble on it. Still, they love him enough to profit off of him!

Posted by: freakzilla | February 11, 2008 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Freak, they'll be on sale soon enough ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 11, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

"Meidt has been the head football coach at Division III St. Olaf for six seasons. He replaces Bob Saunders, who left the team after his father, assistant coach Al Saunders, was dismissed along with Williams. Another offensive assistant, Jack Burns, also won't return.

Zorn, hired as the Redskins' head coach Saturday, still needs to decide on an offensive coordinator and a running backs coach."
The Associated Press

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 11, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Two non-Zorn comments...

1) Why would China want information on the Space Shuttle? That's, like, so 1984.

2) If your Blackberry is not working, does it mean that you may actually carry on a meaningful conversation with your co-worker, or has that portion of your brain atrophied completely?

Posted by: PDiddy | February 11, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

I think it's time for a Blog Post-Mortem. Let's dissect our performance over the last 33 days and learn what we can do better for the next big head coach search in January 2009.

Posted by: PDiddy | February 11, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

From Seattle media - don't know if it was posted or not.

For what it is worth:

http://www.thenewstribune.com/sports/seahawks/story/280211.html

Posted by: RedBee | February 11, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Wow some great posts. Props to Kerzon417 on Miedt, and some good followup commentary and updates from group. I read the 1st 5 messages thinking it was a joke, woe is me that this is true. We will beat Augustus though in the DivIII finals if it comes to that!

Then double kudos to kerzon417 for the Schein article. While he gave the link I just wanted to pass on a few paragraphs - suggests that those outside the beltway have a relatively unified view of all this...depressing. Shame on me for double posting but wanted to highlight it.

"I can hear the Redskins fans in unison now -- Jim Freakin Zorn?
And they are right.
It ranks as the single worst hire we've seen in the NFL in years. Zorn has no NFL head coaching experience. He has no NFL coordinator experience. He was plucked by meddlesome owner Daniel Snyder to be the offensive coordinator a few weeks ago. I thought Zorn was a terrible hire as offensive coordinator as he didn't even call the plays in Seattle and his coaching roots under Mike Holmgren are with the West Coast offense, giving young quarterback Jason Campbell his third pro offense to learn and execute.

And obviously he wasn't even on the radar for Washington to be the head coach until Jim Mora pulled out and Steve Spagnuolo smartly avoided Snyder's chaotic situation where you cannot choose your own assistants (and credit the Giants for putting up the cash making Spags the highest paid defensive coordinator in the NFL). And Jim Fassel, Steve Mariucci (who would've been a good hire) and Ron Meeks somehow fell short to Zorn.

Washington should have promoted defensive coordinator Gregg Williams to head coach while keeping continuity on offense by retaining Al Saunders to continue to call the plays. With the death of Sean Taylor and the way Williams helped rally the team, it was a situation that begged for promoting from within.

Instead, Snyder interviewed Williams four times before letting him go. And then he makes the job much less attractive to the likes of a Spagnuolo by hiring assistants before a head coach.

Let's remember what the Skins were like under Snyder before Joe Gibbs was rehired. Washington is simply headed in the absolute wrong direction."

Posted by: zornskins | February 11, 2008 9:16 PM | Report abuse

PDiddy.

My blog performance was outstanding. I was dressing in my maroon and black, ready for whatever the day would bring. I was diligent and thorough. I did this both from the office and at home. Even had the blog sleep over at night. I tried 10 different approaches, but I think people were shocked at the end by the approach I chose. Actually, it helped that I had my right hand (ummm, errrr there really is no where good to go with that) was with me on this ?!?! And I was careful not to interfere with the Super Bowl

So, in sum, I was in GGreat form. Though I think I'll try to keep my butt just a little higher for next time.


Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 11, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Can't say you didn't see this headline coming

• Back Problem Forces Dolly Parton To Postpone 13-Show Tour

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 11, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

I'm a rookie to this blog so maybe I need some coaching. Maybe I could move to another blog and run the show there. I'll pick some kid in elementary school to check my spelling and hit the submit button for me. Of course I'll let Barno run the angry side of the show and I'll just stick to eternal optimism.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 11, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Any of you check JLC's article yet. Chad Johnson and Briggs are being considered. Dan and Vinny got no one to keep them in check.

Posted by: cdubb | February 11, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Briggs again, huh? *sigh* Hopefully limited cap space will save them from themselves again this offseason.

Posted by: JustMe | February 11, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Best part of Jasno's article (and I do mean the absolute best part): "Mr." Snyder is hiring a stretching coach.

You really can't make this stuff up.

I applaud this move. As a 30-cough-cough year old guy, I'm quickly learning that the stretching I've neglected for 30-cough-cough years is more important than all the weights I've lifted.

More stretching! Better yet, let's hire a coach to stretch out my groin and hamstring. I nominate Jessica Alba.

Posted by: PDiddy | February 11, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Next best thing: Tight End Tyler Ecker "totally reshaped his body".

I'd like to hire someone to reshape my body as well. Right now, I'm more of a circle. Well, snowman-shaped really. Is there a Geometry major in the house who can describe a snowman in technical terms?

Posted by: PDiddy | February 11, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Best part of Jasno's article (and I do mean the absolute best part): "Mr." Snyder is hiring a stretching coach.
____________________

Would have thought the stretching coach was already on board, considering how the HC hiring process was so, um, stretched out.

Posted by: Xlnt | February 11, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Old News Redskins' new coach Zorn hires two assistants

http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10635051

ewly hired Washington Redskins coach Jim Zorn added John Palermo to coach the defensive line and Chris Meidt as an offensive assistant Monday.

Palermo spent last season as the defensive coordinator and linebackers coach at Tennessee Tech. He previously coached at the University of Miami and spent 14 years as an assistant at Wisconsin. His other stops have included Minnesota, Appalachian State, Memphis State and Austin Peay, where he was head coach in 1990.

Palermo fills the vacancy created when Greg Blache was promoted as the defensive coordinator after Gregg Williams was fired last month during the head coaching search.

Meidt has been the head football coach at Division III St. Olaf for six seasons. He replaces Bob Saunders, who left the team after his father, assistant coach Al Saunders, was dismissed along with Williams. Another offensive assistant, Jack Burns, also won't return.

Zorn, hired as the Redskins' head coach Saturday, still needs to decide on an offensive coordinator and a running backs coach.
AP NEWS
The Associated Press News Service

Posted by: rutuja_devendra | February 11, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Not Zorn. Nobody thought that. Whatever nice things they're saying in Seattle, I can tell you, privately they were not saying those things about Zorn before he left.

I talked to Zorn when he was first getting into coaching on the Seahawks staff and I can tell you that, if first impressions mean anything-and they do-I walked away from that interview thinking, This guy shouldn't be anywhere near an NFL sideline.

He was a very good QB, undoubtedly. But he was known as a non-thinking QB even when he played. Total instinct. He never was considered a coach-candidate...

http://www.mercextra.com/blogs/kawakami/2008/02/11/jim-zorn-to-the-redskins-probably-the-worst-nfl-hire-of-all-time/


Posted by: nojunk4me | February 11, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Yea nojunk4me, I read that too. Never heard of the guy who wrote it though. Contradicts eberything I've read about him so far, and I've read quite a bit.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 11, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Next best thing: Tight End Tyler Ecker "totally reshaped his body".

Posted by: PDiddy | February 11, 2008 09:49 PM

Totally? Does this mean he's a girl?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 11, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Who the hell cares what Tim kawakiamo thinks. Worst writer ever.

Posted by: cdubb | February 11, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

I don't find it surprising at all that Snyder has hired a "stretching coach." Considering all the hamstring and groin injuries the players suffered last season, something had to be done. Heck, most of you commented frequently about how they needed to do something.

Posted by: Lisa_R | February 11, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

t_e, not that there's anything wrong with that. :-)

Posted by: PDiddy | February 11, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, I'm totally with you. I would have hired Jessica Alba around week 2 of last season, myself. Got to get those groins and hammies worked out.

Posted by: PDiddy | February 11, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

that dude is one lame writer...

butt this joke is kinda funny, if only in the laugh till it hurts way:

"Jim Zorn. To replace Joe Gibbs. That has to be the biggest drop-off in NFL quality since Terrell Owens to Brandon Lloyd. Or the great Al Davis to... the current Al Davis"

again...not my feeling...but did make me chuckle...

Posted by: chrislarry | February 11, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

have we hired a coach in charge of color coordination yet???

Posted by: chrislarry | February 11, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

I heard Vinny on the John Riggins show today and he actually connected the dots pretty well with the search. I'm ready to move on! HAIL!!!

Oh...I'm sorry, am I supposed to say something nice about Vinny on RI?

Posted by: rickyroge | February 11, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

I just read the petition from the Pats fans who want the Commish to review the last few minutes of the Super Bowl. Some of the fake petitioners are hilarious (and yes, I created one also). My favorite LOL:

Name: 16692. Bobby Kennedy
Comments: I'll just cut thru the kitchen.....

http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?XLIItrut

Posted by: nojunk4me | February 11, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

I just read the petition from the Pats fans who want the Commish to review the last few minutes of the Super Bowl. Some of the fake petitioners are hilarious (and yes, I created one also). My favorite LOL:

Name: 16692. Bobby Kennedy
Comments: I'll just cut thru the kitchen.....

http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?XLIItrut

Posted by: nojunk4me | February 11, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

good stuff....:

Country legend Dolly Parton announced she had to push back her tour due to a back injury. She recently revealed the nicknames of her breasts, to blame for the back problems, are Shock and Awe.

The official statement:

DOLLY PARTON has been forced to postpone her upcoming U.S. tour due to a back condition. Doctors have advised the iconic American singer, songwriter, film star and entrepreneur to take six to eight weeks off in order to recover properly. DOLLY apologizes to all her fans for this inconvenience and hopes that her fans will be patient until the dates can be rescheduled for late April through May. Tickets will be honored for the new dates. In a statement, DOLLY said: "I know I have been breaking my neck and bending over backwards trying to get my new Backwoods Barbie CD and world tour together, but I didn't mean to hurt myself doing it! But hey, you try wagging these puppies around a while and see if you don't have back problems. Seriously though, the doctors said I will be good as new in a few weeks & I can't wait to get back out there!"?

Posted by: chrislarry | February 11, 2008 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Actually, a lot of them are juvenile 7th grade stupid comments. but every now and then a gem.

Posted by: nojunk4me | February 11, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

OK nojunk, can you name the former NFL player next to Bobby Kennedy on that fateful shortcut?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 11, 2008 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Uhhh. MOST of them are juvenile 7th grade stupid comments. But the other 31 teams' fans stick it to the Pats fans.

Posted by: nojunk4me | February 11, 2008 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Rosie Grier

Posted by: nojunk4me | February 11, 2008 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Major props nojunk!!!!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 11, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

"its alright to cry, crying takes the sad out of you"

Posted by: chrislarry | February 11, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

zce, brings together two of my favorite subjects: football and history.

Posted by: nojunk4me | February 11, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Zoinks, is that a Free To Be You And Me reference or am I multiplying by Up With People when I should be dividing by Reading Is Fundamental.

Sorry for the crankage. Workmen taking twice as long as necessary here at the house and I'm about to make Saw VII over here tomorrow.

Posted by: SMACK1 | February 11, 2008 10:56 PM | Report abuse

That's a fun petition.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 11, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

you got it Smack!

Free To Be You And Me rulz
Pokemon drulz

Posted by: chrislarry | February 11, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse

CL you hear the story about that punk band Pills in America playing in Newcastle, UK?

The lead singer stuck his finger up his bum and wiped it on a nearby fan, who promptly kicked the rocker's arse.

Not that you would ever condone this kind of behavior, but I thought maybe you knew the guy.

Posted by: SMACK1 | February 11, 2008 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Roger MAson is killing Golden State!

From PFT:

"POSTED 8:14 p.m. EST, February 11, 2008

FASSEL THOUGHT HE WAS THE FRONTRUNNER

The media and the fans weren't the only ones who believed that Jim Fassel had the inside track to the head-coaching gig in D.C.

Fassel himself believed it, too.

In a Monday afternoon interview with Mike and the Mad Dog on WFAN, Fassel said that he thought he was the frontrunner for the job that went to Zorn.

Fassel also confirmed that he had a role in the hiring of the guy who got the job he wanted. He said that he gave owner Dan Snyder three persons for each of the coordinator positions, and that Zorn was the top name on the offensive side of the ball.

Indeed, Fassel said he was involved in all of the staff moves, which implies that he had a voice in the firing of Al Saunders and Gregg Williams, too.

As to the notion that Fassel was bumped due to concerns of widespread criticism from Redskins fans if he got the gig, Fassel said, "That would really, really hurt me. You can't let your fans control any of that."

Fassel also said that he shouldn't have taken a job with the Ravens after being fired by the Giants. "My biggest mistake was going to Baltimore," he said, calling the situation there "such a mess."

Again, Fassel's candor is refreshing. But we think it will hurt him, not help him, as he tries to look for new work.

For example, his strong words about the Ravens won't persuade guys like owner Steve Bisciotti or G.M. Ozzie Newsome or former coach Brian Billick to explain, "Jim did a great job for us; he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time." Instead, they're likely to say, "Our biggest mistake was hiring Fassel."

Moreover, Fassel's inability to realize that he shouldn't be running his mouth about his disappointments with the 'Skins and the Ravens raises legitimate questions about his ability to control his tongue if/when he's ever a head coach again. Let's face it, if he doesn't realize that it would be prudent to be discreet when it comes to dissing two of the 30 branches of tree that he'd like to inhabit again, how can he be trusted to say the right things -- and not say the wrong things -- as the face of a franchise?
"

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 11, 2008 11:06 PM | Report abuse

glad I could bring it nojunk. But Smack has crossed the ick line.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 11, 2008 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Just to get this straight for tomorrow...

Do I wet the bed first and then go vote for Obama, or do I go vote for Obama and then come home and wet the bed?

Barno? Brano? Barno? (I chickened out)

Posted by: SMACK1 | February 11, 2008 11:09 PM | Report abuse

Also, when you go to the polls don't forget about Huckabee.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 11, 2008 11:09 PM | Report abuse

But Smack has crossed the ick line.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 11, 2008 11:08 PM

Come on, RIF does some great work.

Posted by: SMACK1 | February 11, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

already forgotten 4th....hahaha...jk...sorta...

smack why stop at urine, cover all the fluids!

Posted by: chrislarry | February 11, 2008 11:12 PM | Report abuse

http://dnj.midsouthnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080211/SPORTS/80211057
Redskins ask permission to speak with Titans' assistant


NASHVILLE -- The Washington Redskins today officially asked the Titans for permission to speak to assistant coach Sherman Smith about their offensive coordinator's position, according to sources familiar with the situation.

Smith currently serves as assistant head coach/running backs for the Titans, where he's worked under Coach Jeff Fisher since the 1995 season.

The Titans aren't expected to keep Smith from interviewing, if Smith is interested in the position. Neither Fisher nor Smith could be reached for comment Monday night.

The Redskins are looking for an offensive coordinator after Jim Zorn was hired as the team's head coach over the weekend. Zorn was initially hired to be the Redskins' offensive coordinator before owner Daniel Snyder decided to make him head coach in Washington.
Smith and Zorn have remained close friends since their playing days with the Seattle Seahawks, where Smith starred at running back in the late 1970s-early 80s, and Zorn was the team's quarterback.

With the Titans, Smith has been responsible for developing young running backs like LenDale White, Chris Henry and Chris Brown in recent years. White finished with 1,110 rushing yards in his second NFL season last year.

Between 1996 and 2003, Smith helped Eddie George evolve into the all-time leading rusher in Titans/Oilers history. In '03, George became only the 17th running back in NFL history to reach 10,000 career-rushing yards.

-- Jim Wyatt, Gannett Tennessee



Posted by: kerzon417 | February 11, 2008 11:22 PM | Report abuse

I guess I could get into Huckabee's seed, and how he was created 6000 years ago in that very sportcoat.

Sorry 4th, sorta.

Posted by: SMACK1 | February 11, 2008 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Yup, already forgot about Huckabee as well. He says gay adoption shouldn't be permitted and equated homosexuality to lying and stealing (http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/12/08/505805.aspx).

I'm not gay, but my sister is, and she has a beautiful little girl that I adore. I won't endorse any candidate that would disparage my sister and not view her as an equal, or would see her as an unfit mother.

It's fairly simple for me. I'll go back to being a Republican when the Republicans go back to being real conservatives.

Smack, I wet the bed, caucused for Obama, and then came home and wet the bed again.

(BTW, I do like McCain. He's a war hero, a Senator who by all accounts speaks his mind, and a decent man. But at this stage in the country's history, I believe Obama is the right guy.)

Posted by: PDiddy | February 11, 2008 11:31 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: PDiddy | February 11, 2008 11:33 PM | Report abuse

I figured. Don't be sorry.

Well, how in the heck are we going to run the WCO when our soon to be OC never has been in a WCO system??

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 11, 2008 11:39 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: kerzon417 | February 11, 2008 11:41 PM | Report abuse

Thats a really bad name for a yacht. Was he just being sardonic?

"Mr. Skin" - Spirit

Posted by: SMACK1 | February 11, 2008 11:41 PM | Report abuse

I don't know of a single thing regarding this coaching search and selection that makes sense. Why NOT an offensive coordinator who hasn't ever been in the WCO? This whole thing is nuts. Hell, instead of Sherman Smith, let's go with Nate's suggestion and pick up Sherman Helmsley. At least we'll be movin' on up in the NFC East.

Posted by: PDiddy | February 11, 2008 11:42 PM | Report abuse

I still miss MNF. It's not out of my system yet. We'd be in the two-minute drill right about now. :-/

Posted by: SMACK1 | February 11, 2008 11:44 PM | Report abuse

Smack, I know how you feel.

But take heart, both our teams will soon be fighting over Ocho Cinco. I say we settle this with some arm wrestling.

Posted by: PDiddy | February 11, 2008 11:46 PM | Report abuse

Sherman Helmsley would definitely take Snyder to the cleaners.

(Sorry I'm sure it's been taken)

Posted by: SMACK1 | February 11, 2008 11:46 PM | Report abuse

b/c we are about to see the beta version of the new "washington to washington" offense!!!

will be talked about for years to come "Meidt coms from the WtW Zorn coaching tree"

Posted by: chrislarry | February 11, 2008 11:49 PM | Report abuse

If Meidt ever becomes head coach of the Cowboys, our revenge for Norv Turner will be complete.

We should start the rumor that Meidt is an offensive genius.

Posted by: PDiddy | February 11, 2008 11:52 PM | Report abuse

This is the strangest story of the day. Even more strange than an obscure QB coach being named head coach of one of the NFL's premier franchises...

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/APWires/US/D8UOBES80.html

Posted by: PDiddy | February 11, 2008 11:56 PM | Report abuse

He played his favorite numbers, 5,6,7,8,9 and the Bonus Ball, 12.

Posted by: SMACK1 | February 12, 2008 12:03 AM | Report abuse

I'm just surprised to hear that Tennessee had an offense. Watched a couple of their games, never saw it.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 12, 2008 12:15 AM | Report abuse

Here comes the big splash danny could not get w/a HC. How many picks will this cost.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23120543/
The Washington Redskins may be looking to help their rookie coach Jim Zorn, as they are interested in pursuing a trade for disgruntled Cincinnati Bengals receiver Chad Johnson, according to the Washington Post.

The report said that Redskins owner Daniel Snyder was eager to add a top-notch receiver to his roster, and had Johnson at the top of his list. It also said that Johnson, according to two league sources, was "eager to land a hefty new contract from Washington."

The Bengals have said they do not want to trade Johnson, but the receiver's agent, Drew Rosenhaus, is said to be working behind the scenes to facilitate a trade, the Post reported.

Posted by: kerzon417 | February 12, 2008 12:20 AM | Report abuse

I won $20 off a friend who bet me Vince Young would not be drafted in the top 10 picks. That was the luckiest bet I've ever won.

I hate to judge life by fantasy football, but it does reflect some realities. If you're only being started in about 8% of fantasy leagues, you're probably pretty useless.

Posted by: SMACK1 | February 12, 2008 12:21 AM | Report abuse

F this ocho cinco talk. WE NEED OUR DRAFT PICKS. This smells of D Sanders all over again.

cosmofla

Posted by: squashmo | February 12, 2008 12:24 AM | Report abuse

IMHO, the only way to get control of our salary cap is to draft and sign young players. And as some have posted, this is a young mans game. But wtf do I know...

Posted by: kerzon417 | February 12, 2008 12:27 AM | Report abuse

Kerzon,

I agree 100%, um, except for the part where vindan are involved in the process. I can see it now...with the ? pick in the first round, the Washington Redskins select a relatively unknown wide receiver from DIII _____State. V Ceratto was quoted, "an absolute steal, we'll have him coached up in no time and expect great things, especially considering his 10 million$ signing bonus."

Posted by: squashmo | February 12, 2008 12:38 AM | Report abuse

Johnson and other guys interested in a big paycheck will be looking to Danny. Guys that want to win will be looking elsewhere. It is sad, but all the respect and character changes that Joe Gibbs brought are fading into history. Well, fading very very quickly into history. Actually plummeting quickly.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 12, 2008 12:39 AM | Report abuse

Just came back in from banging my head into my brick wall. Feel much better now.

Posted by: kerzon417 | February 12, 2008 12:40 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, cosmofla, count me among those who are wary of Chad Johnson. I am one of those philistines who believes WRs are a dime a dozen.

I would much rather see an investment in, I dunno, D line, a #2/#3 corner to 'cover for' (get it) Rogers, maybe a couple of primo O line backup dudes...

And I am as uninterested in Lance Briggs as I was last offseason. Which was really, really uninterested. I sure as heck hope we're not really putting out feelers in that direction.

I hate the feeling that Snyder is going to be playing fantasy football again... F having an owner who can't be trusted to make good decisions for our beloved team...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 12, 2008 12:41 AM | Report abuse

The Skins are truly a case of trying to see if the glass half full or half empty.

On the half full side is the playoff run and a bunch of character guys that bonded and a strong defense with coaching continuity.

On the half empty size, there is a new coach trying to implement a new system with a young QB. Key personnel that are aging and hurting.

On the glass shattered side is mgmt.

Bad mgmt will screw up anything

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 12, 2008 12:44 AM | Report abuse

NateinthePDX,
Agree, DL, DB and OL are what we need. We should give Mix a chance before we spend draft picks on 85.

Posted by: kerzon417 | February 12, 2008 12:45 AM | Report abuse

Briggs and Johnson represent guys who are in it for the $$$. No doubting talent, but the guys that put $$$ first are usually not the guys that win games for you.

Briggs is harder to judge because the Bears were definitely underpaying him, but he seems like a guy interested in the highest offer. If I were him, I'd take less to play in NE.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 12, 2008 12:47 AM | Report abuse

I believe we need D and O linemen first and foremost. My hope is we find a pass rushing DE, cause nothing makes d-backs look better than a qb forced to throw early. But a run-stopping D tackle or a monster O-tackle would also fit the bill. Also like to see a burner with sure hands in the later rounds, a Devin Hester type will do.

cosmofla

Posted by: squashmo | February 12, 2008 12:51 AM | Report abuse

Didn't Briggs have some off-field issues? We want character guys!

cosmofla

Posted by: squashmo | February 12, 2008 12:54 AM | Report abuse

The Skins are going to need to decide if 2008 is rebuild year or a playoff run year. If it was GG, there would be no doubt. But with Zorn, who knows.

The Skins have played salary cap roulette for years and it really hurts them in ways they simply don't seem to recognize. It makes it hard to get rid of failures like Lloyd or Archuletta. It makes it hard to pick up quality guys if they become available.

Parcells jettisoned his expensive kicker Vanderjagt and could do it because of cap room. It made it easier to promote Romo.

Cap issues have subtle impacts in the way players get managed and opportunities get missed. We'll soon see if it was Dan/Vinny or if it was Joe that pushed the cap


Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 12, 2008 12:56 AM | Report abuse

I heard Vinny on the John Riggins show today and he actually connected the dots pretty well with the search. I'm ready to move on! HAIL!!!

Oh...I'm sorry, am I supposed to say something nice about Vinny on RI?

Posted by: rickyroge | February 11, 2008 10:29 PM

You can always say nice things about Vinny, and I suspect we're all pretty much ready to move on.

Here's the deal-i-o, though. Most people are judging Vinny by results of his job performance over the past decade, not a 15 minute interview with Riggo.

I've posted it before, but I must leave you with a link to a great pic of The Vinster himself (cracks me up every time I see it)!
http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2008/01/27/redskins-head-coaching-search-gets-weirder/

Posted by: Alan4 | February 12, 2008 12:59 AM | Report abuse

Not sure if anyone else linked to this earlier, but I find the caption of this photo more humorous than anything we've come up with so far as a play on the new head coach's name...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/peter_king/02/10/tyree/3.html

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 12, 2008 1:04 AM | Report abuse

Wow, that is one frightening picture. Odds are Danny Boy is behind him demonstrating how the qb needs his center to stand taller. Kinda looks like Neidermeyer sans the neck brace.

cosmofla

Posted by: squashmo | February 12, 2008 1:04 AM | Report abuse

"What Goes On" - Velvet Underground

Good night folks!

Posted by: SMACK1 | February 12, 2008 1:06 AM | Report abuse

Seriously, CNN/SI comes with "Jim Zora"?

Zora the Eggzplorer?

Zora the Greek?

Zora Neale Hurston? (Vinny's Eyes Were Watching God?)

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 12, 2008 1:43 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: PDiddy | February 12, 2008 2:19 AM | Report abuse

Re-post from a different thread, but never that off-topic, and I'm currently annoyed enough to find it worth repeating:

Listen, I've been biting my tongue, but I can't anymore. STOP BRINGING UP DEION SANDERS!!! Dude gave up ONE touchdown the entire season. One. Bailey gave up that many every time he saw Galloway his whole career w/ the Redskins. And I'm not saying that Deion was better than Bailey, but Deion got scapegoated for everything that went wrong that season, almost none of which was on him.

Remember, the year before the spending spree, the Redskins defense was ranked 26th in the league. The year w/ Deion, Bruce, Mark Carrier, et al., it was ranked 4th. Really, think about that for a second. They jumped up 22 spots. And remember, that w/ the exception of Jeff George, every big free agent Snyder signed was on defense.

So, focus on George. Now, maybe it was a bad signing. But, Brad Johnson, Stephen Davis, Stephen Alexander, Michael Westbrook, Albert Connell, Tre Johnson, Keith Sims, and one more offensive linemen (I believe either Raymer or Samuels, but off the top of my head I'm not positive) missed starts due to injury. That's 8 of 11 offensive starters (coincidentally, the dropped from the top 10 to the bottom 10 in offense that year), and they started the season 6-2. And only George was a major signing on offense that year. So you can blame chemistry if you want, but all the new additions were on defense, which was light-years better that year. And George didn't play until Johnson got injured. (You can argue his being backup ruined Johnson's confidence, but even then, only because the fans chanted George's name at every home game that season. Kind of hard to throw stones there.)

Snyder has definitely made some poor decision personnel-wise, but it is sickening (and factually painful) to keep hearing about how Deion ruined the team.

Posted by: A_Fly_Moses | February 12, 2008 2:23 AM | Report abuse

ZORRO!!!

Posted by: tigersclaw | February 12, 2008 5:28 AM | Report abuse

The Skins are going to need to decide if 2008 is rebuild year or a playoff run year.

Cap issues have subtle impacts in the way players get managed and opportunities get missed. We'll soon see if it was Dan/Vinny or if it was Joe that pushed the cap

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 12, 2008 12:56 AM

Z-man,

Jasno's article in today's paper answers this, and it's depressing. It looks like the 'Skins have picked their men. They're going after Chad Johnson and after Lance Briggs. Period.

This is same-old, same-old: zero in on two or three overpriced names and get them at all costs. Playoffs? No, way -- we're on the Super Bowl Express.

And on your second point -- managing players, "the Redskins gave Jansen a contract extension a year ago and Snyder told coaches it's not feasible to release him because of the salary cap ramifications."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 12, 2008 6:14 AM | Report abuse

I like Chad but if we are giving anything other than a 4th for him hell no. I hope JLC is wrong on this one like he was with Fassel.

Posted by: jm220 | February 12, 2008 7:20 AM | Report abuse

Damn, if te is down on the front office approach, then we KNOW all hope is lost.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 12, 2008 7:47 AM | Report abuse

I, personally, don't like Chad Johnson. The man is a cancer, and he's the last thing that Jim Zorn -- and the rest of the team -- needs to worry about.

Jasno says he would cost a first and a third or two seconds, not to mention the salary that they would have to pay him. Where would that leave the 'Skins?

Snyder said he learned patience from Coach Gibbs. Patience is drafting good talent and developing it, not taking Cincinnati's problems to be our own.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 12, 2008 7:50 AM | Report abuse

It could cost a 1st and a 3rd, but with our F/O's history of bidding against itself, we could lose our whole draft.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 12, 2008 7:57 AM | Report abuse

etrod,

Well, on the bright side, they are willing to let Brandon Lloyd go. Maybe he can join Saunders in KC.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 12, 2008 7:58 AM | Report abuse

Hold on, first I wait 32 days for Jim friggin' Zorn, and now the potential acquisition of disgruntled cancers Chad Johnson and Lance Briggs? I think Snyder REALLY hates his fan-base...

I'll take the exit, please.

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 12, 2008 7:59 AM | Report abuse

A_Fly,

Deion was a bad move. Are you suggesting he was a better corner than Bailey when he played for us? So you are all for the Chad Johnson and Lance Briggs sweepstakes...the one where we give up the rest of what little future we have in the draft. C'mon, just say no to ocho cinco!

cosmofla

Posted by: squashmo | February 12, 2008 8:03 AM | Report abuse

I, personally, don't like Chad Johnson. The man is a cancer, and he's the last thing that Jim Zorn -- and the rest of the team -- needs to worry about.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 12, 2008 07:50 AM

I live here in Ohio and I have some friensa that are buddies with Chad and they tell me this. Yes he's loud and arrogant, but the reason that he is so pissed off at the Bengals team is much deeper than what is said on TV. Let's face it, the Bengals have much bigger issues than Chad, half their team should be playing in the penal league and the whole team has an overinflated self image. That said, do I think we should go after Ocho Moutho-NO! The last thing we need right now is moe distractions!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 12, 2008 8:25 AM | Report abuse

I remember reading a report last week (may have been ESPN) that it will cost the Bengals 8 mil against their cap and that's why the will not give up Chad. I hope that is true.

Posted by: jm220 | February 12, 2008 8:33 AM | Report abuse

Maybe the Cowgirls will go after #85. Could you imagine the drama with T.O. and Ocho...."No, I loves me some me more than you do." Probably be some interesting end zone celebrations.

Posted by: squashmo | February 12, 2008 8:37 AM | Report abuse

...it will cost the Bengals 8 mil against their cap and that's why the will not give up Chad.

Posted by: jm220 | February 12, 2008 08:33 AM

I'm sure that our inventive front office can negotiate to take some of the cap hit away from the Bengals AND give them a generous complement of draft picks. Sort of reverse of when we unloaded Archuletta on Chicago. Maybe we can get them to take Lloyd and some of his cap hit, too?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 12, 2008 8:38 AM | Report abuse

Al Borges can be good addition to Jim Zorn staff, if he can mesh well with Jim Zorn.
He is a WCO guy.

It will be good for Jason Campbell's development
On the negative aspect, during his one year Jason never got his throwing mechanics right under Al.

http://blog.al.com/goldmine/2007/12/al_borges_out_as_auburns_offen.html

Posted by: rutuja_devendra | February 12, 2008 8:40 AM | Report abuse

Why are you people believing anything JLC is reporting is it because he was so correct about the coaching hire. He is going to report enything that he thinks will get everybody all pissed off so that all we do all day is post on this blog. Everybody was wrong about Fassel and most likely this will prove to be incorrect we would need alot of room under the salary cap. Vinny is a draft guy the first year was on Danny he came in and wanted to play fantasy and all the trades of the last four years are on Gibbs so again lets wait and see.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 12, 2008 8:48 AM | Report abuse

Count me in among the group that wants NO PART of Chad Johnson. Draft a WR with one of our draft picks. Until something a little more concrete comes out, I'm not going to put much into this however. Because Cincy has stated they aren't trading him, kind of makes this a moot point....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 12, 2008 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Because Cincy has stated they aren't trading him, kind of makes this a moot point....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 12, 2008 08:50 AM

Greg, If you were Cincy and you wanted to get top price for the guy, what would you say? "We'll never trade him!" or "We hope to unload him on some bigger fool than we are!"

They may not trade him, but I wouldn't rely on their public utterances as an accurate barometer of their intentions.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 12, 2008 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Remember folks Gibbs is a veteran guy he believes in them and would play a veteran way past his time (ex. Joe Theisman)Gibbs stumped the growth of Jason Campbell by not letting him get snaps in his first year he should have been sharing snaps in practice with Brunell. Well in my opinion he should have been starting the entire time. Gibbs does not like young players nor does he give them much of a chance to play.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 12, 2008 8:58 AM | Report abuse

TA, could be, but this reeks of the same garbage that happens every off season, when the Redskins are linked to EVERY top name free agent out there.

I'm not sure how much time Snyder has had to spend thinking about getting a top of the line wide out either, given the head coaching search.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 12, 2008 9:00 AM | Report abuse

if briggs comes here maybe wilbon will like the skins more since he is big chicago fan. maybe he will stop chanting about chicago and report properly on the redskins.

Posted by: rls1041 | February 12, 2008 9:01 AM | Report abuse

I am a Bengals fan as well. Redskins definitely don't want #85. He has mutated from a goofy trickster into a bitter cancer since the 1st half of the season fell apart this year.

On Salary Cap issues with #85 see Hobson's article here (Hobson is a Bengals employee but runs the website in a semi-autonomous way)

http://www.bengals.com/news/news.asp?story_id=6625

Posted by: zornskins | February 12, 2008 9:02 AM | Report abuse

I am totally against Chad Johnson. Who in their right mind would want an exciting offense that scores points? I am totally for keeping the same middle of that pack offense that squeaks into the playoffs then once they get there, poops the bed.

Posted by: sams3 | February 12, 2008 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Let me go on the record as saying that I'm notopposed to getting Ocho Cinco. I like him; he a showman for sure, but not annoying like T.O. or Joe Horn.

I'm more concerned about what we'd have to give up. If it's more than a 4th, I'd say it's too much.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 12, 2008 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Profootballtalk.com
Talking about Ocho Stinko

Then again, there's a chance that it's all a ruse, aimed at changing the subject in D.C. while at the same time building goodwill with Rosenhaus by possibly shaking suitors for Stinko out of the bushes.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 12, 2008 9:06 AM | Report abuse

i agree with you gregg it is starting to sound like snyder is going to go the same way he did the first year he owned the team. high priced players that only come here for the money. i for one will hope that does not happen but it is hard not to think that it will. i also will not be bying any skins stuff until they get to the super bowl, i will root for them to win.

Posted by: rls1041 | February 12, 2008 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Original_etrod, I am glad to see that you like 85, however, do you really think that they would give up one of the best players in football for a 4th round pick?

Before anyone says anything I know Moss got traded for that but he had 2 horrible years in a row and appeared to be finished. Johnson had lead the AFC in yards for 4 stright years.

Posted by: sams3 | February 12, 2008 9:09 AM | Report abuse

greg,

Fair enough on the "this reeks of..." It does. Except of course that Rosenhaus would never do something like this for his clients. : )

But, it's also confined to a manageable two players, and we know the front office was in love with Lance Briggs last year, enough to give up Laron Landry for him. And Chad Johnson seems credible because the 'Skins clearly need a wide out and he's the most dangerous (in too many ways) one out there right now.

Hard to know how credible Jasno's sources are, but if he really did talk with coaching candidates, then Snyder wouldn't have been jiving them.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 12, 2008 9:09 AM | Report abuse

sams3...exactly.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 12, 2008 9:14 AM | Report abuse

i see that zorn is going for a lot of college people to add to his staff. i now believe that the skins will be like the turner days. losy

Posted by: rls1041 | February 12, 2008 9:22 AM | Report abuse

I like Chad and don't have a problem with him coming here if it is a 4th and B Llyod. At least he shows up on Sunday and have stayed out of jail.

Posted by: jm220 | February 12, 2008 9:32 AM | Report abuse

i see that zorn is going for a lot of college people to add to his staff. i now believe that the skins will be like the turner days. losy
Posted by: rls1041 | February 12, 2008 09:22 AM

The skins have been losy for the last 15 years and do not tell me that because they barely made the playoffs this year that if they kept continuity they would have done any better this year. We needed a change in the philosophy and we have it so lets stop speculating on what we do not know and wait to see what happens.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 12, 2008 9:35 AM | Report abuse

i see that zorn is going for a lot of college people to add to his staff. i now believe that the skins will be like the turner days. losy

Posted by: rls1041 | February 12, 2008 09:22 AM

ris,

This is silly. Now, it's February 12. Who do you think he's going to get? Jim Fassel?

Most of the staff is already in place and it consists of seasoned veteran pros. Now, it's February 12. Who do you think he's going to get? Jim Fassel?

For OC, he's trying to get Sherman from the Titans. For RB he's trying to get Stump Mitchell. Who else is he getting from the college ranks?


Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 12, 2008 9:35 AM | Report abuse

I'm confused: is Sherman Klump coaching in the NFL now?

Posted by: Redcoat | February 12, 2008 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Is "shabingus" a universal word or can it translate into Spanish?

¡SHABINGOS!

Posted by: Dorf | February 12, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Sorry, been off the blog for a while. Don't know if anyone's already posted this, but I thought it interesting.

From ESPN.com
Kris Jenkins a short-timer in Carolina?

But I look for the Panthers to shop Jenkins again and, this time, the price tag might be something considerably less than a first-round pick. Something has to give here because the player and the franchise aren't on the same page on a lot of things. Jenkins has made it clear he's not a big fan of living in Charlotte and the team's not crazy about a guy who marches to his own music and doesn't act like one of coach John Fox's robots.

Jenkins has said he loves the Washington area (where he spends his off-seasons) and Panthers general manager Marty Hurney should be shopping him to the Redskins and Ravens before the rest of the league.

Looks like with Jenkins and 85 on the market, Snyderrato might have his hands full this offseason.

Posted by: psps23 | February 12, 2008 10:00 AM | Report abuse

i like the zorn hiring. i would have liked it even better if he wasn't an WC coach.

Also the name to watchout for as an OC: Brian Billick. Yes, he's not a WC coach but that's the whole point. Plus if Zorn is as good as they say he is he could handle Billick while learning from him how to be an HC. but i doubt that'd happen.

i really think this was the best guy out there that wasn't a retread. again...i'm skeptical about the WC style. look what the giants did to the patsies WC style. you can still win with D and power running.

ohh and JC aint no west coast QB. hopefully they'll keep todd collins to get a couple of wins next year if they go WC. again JC is not a WC QB. i really don't know what you guys see in him anyway. the guy lost more games than he won ever since he's been in the league.

i'll start watching when this team's a perennial winner again. i'm done until then. i am just not going to waste my time danny experiment with his toy. i'm hoping he gets lucky with zorn. i really am. but i won't go thru crappy periods no more. i guess the past 16 years buys me that.

Posted by: dealer | February 12, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

ohh and JC aint no west coast QB - Unless of course your counting his senior year in college, during which the Auburn Tigers went 13-0, but of course if you just ignore that, sure, he's not a WC qb.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 12, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

beepity beep beep

Posted by: -swb | February 12, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

JC will be fine in the WC offense and why would you want to keep Todd Collins he has never played in a WC offense. He has alot of time to learn a new offense and anything will be better then the crappy offense we have had for the last 4 years. Lets give JC a little credit and not treat him like an idiot that can not learn a new system.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 12, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

I'm confused: is Sherman Klump coaching in the NFL now?

Posted by: Redcoat | February 12, 2008 09:47 AM

No, but Mr. Peabody and Sherman might be available.

Posted by: tafka | February 12, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Don't beat me up...but i noticed when a team change their uniform color or logo,they have went to the super bowl or improved. Examples: broncos,ravens,rams,titans,new england,eagles..could this happen to us bringing black into the mix?

Posted by: DNPUrban | February 13, 2008 2:30 AM | Report abuse

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