Sherman Smith: 'Jim's career isn't over'

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Christmas came early with Vinny resigning and now it has come late with Zorn being fired. Now if I can just get my happy new year with the announcement of Shanahan as the coach with he and Bruce Allen given full control for 5 years and Dan staying out of the way, life in Redskin land will once again be good. Even better was the pathetic loss to 2nd and 3rd stringers giving us the 4th pick in the draft!

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 4, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

They should let Bugel retire with dignity and honor before they fire the rest of the lot.

Or retain Bugel and once the new HC is on board, then let him gracefully retire.

May never be a HC again...

Lucky to be a OC in a few years...

Unless Holmgren drops him a life-line.

Trade down, trade down, trade down!

Zorn will be in Cleveland, Ohio next year trying to teach Josh Cribbs to be a better QB in the wild cat formation. I really wonder who our QB will be next year. Campbell or Other? Better question, if we hire Shanny, will Brandon Marshall sign here?

We need to take Okung or any of the OL prospects. 4th pick could net us a star player. We can't afford to blow it, we need to make the most out of this pick. OL is a safe bet.

First darnit will someone please acknowledge that I was first. I have never been first in anything

"I see a bright future for you Jim, I mean you may never work out as a pro-bingo caller like me but you will at least be able to call a good game of twister" - Sherm Lewis

FA/trade/waivers should be where we either replace or augment CP:

My additions to list:

Chester Taylor
Willis McGahee
Darren Sproles
Reggie Bush

Posted by: chrislarry | January 4, 2010 10:32 AM

My priorities on those would be (1) Chester, (2) Willis, and (3) Bush. Sproles won't be as effective under an offensive line that is a rebuilding project. Taylor has some tandem potential (even as the first guy) in the same way that Turner did in Atlanta. Taylor had a down year yardage wise, which means he'll have an up year next year (its one of those fantasy football rules of thumb). Reggie Bush can catch, and the way the NFL defenses are trending, the reason pass first offenses have been working is b/c short passes are nearly always there and you only need to make the first downs. It still startles me that McGahee can walk after that knee wrong way bending hit (the most gruesome football hit to my mind) he sustained in college, but he still has some mileage left. Portis, I just don't think has the mileage left. Ideally, the Skins CAN find someone with whom to trade down from the 4th pick ... of the QBs and RBs available in the top ten, I wouldn't want any. After that, either Suh (best player in the draft), the OKung tackle, or the Tennessee free safety. The thing that most sucks about drafting so high is that you HAVE to take the best player available for value purposes.

As for a QB to draft, I just get someone tall and accurate ... the one from Cincinnati or the one from Arkansas (both of whom should be available in the second round).

CONGRATS YOUR ARE FIRST skinsfaninWI.

Now please get out of the basement.

Good Riddance 4-12 worst season in 15 years we got beat by 2nd and 3rd stringers yesterday totally pathetic... Anyone who had a hand in this should be fired immediately

We need to take Okung or any of the OL prospects. 4th pick could net us a star player. We can't afford to blow it, we need to make the most out of this pick. OL is a safe bet.

Posted by: FedorEm | January 4, 2010 10:52 AM |

O-Line only if Okung is there no other o-line player in the draft is worht a top 5 pick. You can't reach for need.

so how long, if JZ is hired in Cleveland, would Holmgren put up with his pathetic offense..........

Brandon Marshall will be an RFA just like Campbell, we'd have to either trade for him, or sign him to a ridiculous contract and give up draft picks to get him. Denver isn't going to just let a 100 catch a year pro bowl receiver walk for nothing. We won't be getting Marshall, there's no way with the needs at Oline, RB, Corner, Safety, LB, and QB that we can blow multiple picks again on a receiver....

4th, Clot Brennan ... the QB everybody loves so much but they don't yet realize because he hasn't been traded yet.

First darnit will someone please acknowledge that I was first. I have never been first in anything

Posted by: skinsfaninWI | January 4, 2010 10:53 AM

That's what she said ...

Zorn will NEVER be a HC or OC ever again....He will fall into KEn Anderson territory....Lifetime QB Coach/Former QB.

Ken Anderson is border line HOFer and can't crack beyond QB Coach...why should had Zorn?

so how long, if JZ is hired in Cleveland, would Holmgren put up with his pathetic offense..........

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 4, 2010 10:55 AM

The offense is fine. Sherm Lewis used it to pull out some nice drives, esp. to put it in the end zone. Zorn will now have some game film to study on how to convert in the red zone when used properly. Add some offensive linemen to it, and it would produce like it was originally designed and acquired to do.

Zorn will be coaching again; maybe even as a head coach. Remember how much everyone thought Norv sucked when he left?

The problem here is the Snyder-run organization.

I like Zorn and wish him the best. He was set up to fail. Class guy (unlike Cerrato and Snyder).

P.S. - Posters who write "first" and nothing else = Dorks! Get a life.

dc, right.....of course...you don't really think that do you??

In the last ten years the Washington Redskins have been an unstable business organization. Furthermore, they have focused solely on short term answers. The results has been failure. The time has come to realize that the failure of the Redskins is a failure of the business model. What the Redskins need is a new owner who will institute a stable and long term business model. More particularly, there is a need to hire a capable personal man who will go out and get players. Whether George Allen is such a person is open to question. Second, instead of getting a big name to coach the time, it would be nice to hire someone with a plan, such as Andy Reid of the Eagles, and give him the time to put his plan into operation. Unfortunately, I doubt that the present ownership will impliment such a plan which is why we need new ownership.

In the last ten years the Washington Redskins have been an unstable business organization. Furthermore, they have focused solely on short term answers. The results has been failure. The time has come to realize that the failure of the Redskins is a failure of the business model. What the Redskins need is a new owner who will institute a stable and long term business model. More particularly, there is a need to hire a capable personal man who will go out and get players. Whether George Allen is such a person is open to question. Second, instead of getting a big name to coach the time, it would be nice to hire someone with a plan, such as Andy Reid of the Eagles, and give him the time to put his plan into operation. Unfortunately, I doubt that the present ownership will impliment such a plan which is why we need new ownership.

Let's hope Danny Smith is the next Skins coach out the door. His special teams consistently failed to block and tackle -- it must have been the scheme, because they should be able to plug in any group of professional football players and at least block effectively during a punt return or tackle a kick returner behind the 20 yard line.

Fassel (and allegedly, plenty of the other candidates) thought Zorn was the obvious choice for OC. If the guy can focus on calling the offense instead of having to manage the game, he should be able to make it work, esp. now that Sherm Lewis showed him how to use it in the red zone.

Mike Shanahan is 57. If that wouldn't make him the oldest coach in the NFL, it's gotta be close. That's pretty old to begin starting over. I mean if you want an old guy, Go with Lebeau, the Steelers D Coach. At least he's been in the game. Shanahan never won without Elway. This aint gonna end well.

Whoever said it above I agree, if Okung is gone and we can't trade back we can't reach for a Tackle at #4. That is a chance to add a premier talent (hope to god though they don't draft another freaking safety that high, look at the league, their are only a handful of dominant safeties, its not worth the risk that high) IMO, if Okung is gone and we can't trade back, then I think the pick has to be Bradford, if he hadn't gotten hurt he would have easily been the #1 overall pick, he would have been last year if he declared, if Okung is gone you take Bradford 1 and at the top of the second round you get the best Tackle available.

Why would we want Marshall? The receiving corps actually showed some promise this year

If I'm not mistaken, the Redskins will pick 5th. Not 4th. Chiefs have the same record and a weaker strength of schedule.

Draft down--Not up. Add picks. Skins have many needs. Multiply your picks and find gems in the middle to late rounds. Look at how the Pats do it every year.

The Chiefs beat us.

What does everybody say to Dexter McCluster in Round 2? I've only seen a few snippets of Ole Miss games this year, but in every one of them, he reminded me of Chris Johnson. Apparently, others agree:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/318867-is-mississippis-running-back-dexter-mccluster-the-next-chris-johnson

Let's do it!

df, its a coin flip, that's what settles it, and I'm feeling lucky so I'm assuming we win the coin flip.

If Zorn is hired in cleveland as OC or QB coach.... 100% that browns play us and light us up.... Thats the way of all skins coming back.....LOL

df, its a coin flip, that's what settles it, and I'm feeling lucky so I'm assuming we win the coin flip.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 4, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

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It's only a coin flip if the strength of schedule is identical.

If I'm not mistaken, the Redskins will pick 5th. Not 4th. Chiefs have the same record and a weaker strength of schedule.

Posted by: dfbovey | January 4, 2010 11:06 AM |

You are wrong the skins will pick 4th already been put out by the league, also thchiefs had a stronger SOS.

With 2010 being uncapped and 2011 lockout looming, I'm not sure you can confidently start a rebuilding process now.

Bruce Allen admitted that the FA market is going to be bare due to all the RFA's, and other teams are going to make plays to buy a ring, so to speak.

This roster isn't close to contending for a championship right now, and it's not going to get fixed anytime soon.

Jim Zorn has a good career ahead of him. He might indeed be a HC again. Needs to be a coordinator first, and under a HC that knows their stuff.

The NFL is notorious for recycling guys, so it's not far-fetched that this could happen.

He was in over his head and he was sold a bill of goods. (and why doesn't the NFL have a HC academy to teach these jokers like McDaniels how to handle the media?)

Redskins need an established, experienced HC and a new coaching staff and philosophy. Not sold Shanahan is the answer; would prefer Cowher or Gruden, but he does present a certain level of experience.

Are you people serious?? Suddenly JZ has it figured out.....and is gonna come back and drop 50 on us in some retributory manner....

Where and when, PRIOR to Sherm Lewis coming on board, did he do something OFFENSIVELY that made you think he was NFL Material??

I mean, wtf...

http://newsok.com/some-kickers-using-narrower-posts/article/3429121

Interesting idea for a little thing the skins could do to improve their practice facilities, maybe not all the FG's on the practice fields but just 1.

So to improve the skins off seasons:
1. Build a Practice bubble or a dome for the times of year where outside is no longer a good option.
2. Fan Appreciation practices in DC not Ashburn.
3. Take the hard as nails approach, no Vets going home at nights
4. Practice kicks on smaller FG's
5. Focus more on endurance conditioning with linemen, LOOKING AT FAT ALBERT!

dc, right.....of course...you don't really think that do you??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 4, 2010 11:02 AM

I do. The team that picks 4th in this draft was the #22 offense, which is the top of the bottom third. They were the #29 offensive line, tied for 5th in allowing QB hits and tied for 4th in allowing QB sacks ... but they still pulled out the #16 passing offense. The rushing game was 27th in the league, right up there with having the #29 offensive line.

The beginning of 2008, when they had a reasonable looking offensive line (Samuels, Kendall, Rabach, Thomas, Jansen/Heyer/Jansen), made the offense look fine and won some games.

Do people still fail to see the correlation between an offensive line and production on offense?

Mike Shanahan is 57. If that wouldn't make him the oldest coach in the NFL, it's gotta be close. That's pretty old to begin starting over. I mean if you want an old guy, Go with Lebeau, the Steelers D Coach. At least he's been in the game. Shanahan never won without Elway. This aint gonna end well.

Posted by: dovelevine | January 4, 2010 11:03 AM

I'm 57. I just got back from the dentist. Found out my teeth are old, too.

The 2010 NFL Draft Order page is updated every week of the NFL season until the NFL Draft. Ties are broken based on weaker strength of schedule.

2010 NFL Draft 1st Round Order - Updated During Week 17 - With Strength of Schedule Tiebreakers included.

Tiebreakers: Easiest Strength of Schedule picks first. If still tied, then worst division record picks first. If still tied, then worst conference record picks first. If still tied, coin flip decides order.

* - subject to coin flip.

Picks #21-#32 will be determined by playoff results.

1. St. Louis (1-15)
2. Detroit (2-14)
3. Tampa Bay (3-13)
4. Washington (4-12)
5. Kansas City (4-12)

I'd like to thank the members of the academy, James Zorn, Vincent Cerrato, and most heartfelt of all, "Mr." Daniel Snyder.

Now, the REAL season starts. Our season. The off-season. We 'pwn' the off-season!

So who do you think the top 4 picks will be?

Picks #21-#32 will be determined by playoff results.

1. St. Louis (1-15)
2. Detroit (2-14)
3. Tampa Bay (3-13)
4. Washington (4-12)
5. Kansas City (4-12)

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 4, 2010 11:14 AM

So, if we had lost like we should have to the Rams and to Tampa Bay, we would have the #1 pick?? Sweet! (Not)

Bean, agreed, its amazing, a bingo caller comes out of retirement and with less talent and the same playbook essentially doubles the production immediately and people act like Zorn was the hottest thing since sliced bread. If anything, the team playing better at the end of the year is a complete and total indictment of Zorn and his ability as a coach. He made terrible in-game decisions, he made terrible decisions on who should and shouldn't be on the field, ARE returned punts all season...enough said, he made idiot play calls, he never held players accountable for anything, and he will at best be a position coach again in the pros.

KEEP DANNY SMITH !!!

GET AN AGGRESSIVE DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR !!!

JUST WIN BABY !!!

KEEP DANNY SMITH !!!

GET AN AGGRESSIVE DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR !!!

JUST WIN BABY !!!

Clearly the jump from position coach to HC is a big leap for almost anyone to handle and Zorn was no exception. Zorn was over his head here, but, he didn't hire himself and you can't blame him for taking the job and the salary once it was offered to him. I expect him to land on his feet, maybe needs to start over in another organization as a senior position coach and then work his way up to OC.

thank you Bean Zorns offense was terrible. We faced winless teams through the first 5 weeks! we went 4-12 against one of the weakest schedule in NFL history!! wake up people we got beat by 2nd and 3rd stringers you have got to be kidding me

Zorn Sucked

Fassel (and allegedly, plenty of the other candidates) thought Zorn was the obvious choice for OC. If the guy can focus on calling the offense instead of having to manage the game, he should be able to make it work, esp. now that Sherm Lewis showed him how to use it in the red zone.

Posted by: dcsween | January 4, 2010 11:03 AM

And his swinging gate fake FG is sure to work next time because no one would ever expect him to try it a third time.

So who do you think the top 4 picks will be?

Posted by: FedorEm | January 4, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

1. STL - Claussen
2. DET - Suh
3. TB - McCoy
4. WAS - Bradford

I want us to take Okung but we didn't get to 4-12 with one of the easiest schedules ever by drafting the right players.

beeps

Do people still fail to see the correlation between an offensive line and production on offense?
I saw a team with a weak offensive line win the SB last year (and not make the playoffs this year). There is some correlation, but it's not the only thing, and it doesn't in and of itself guarantee success.

Why in the heck would TB take McCoy....if they do they are worse than our front office

May never be a HC again...

Lucky to be a OC in a few years...

Unless Holmgren drops him a life-line.

Posted by: ssh1549
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That's the same thing that was said about Norv Turner.

Norv (Chargers), Greg Williams (Saints), Marv Lewis (Bengals), lil' Schottenhiemer (Jets), Saunders (Ravens), Hue Jackson [Spurrier Ocoord] (Ravens) are all in the playoffs.

Zorn will be just fine. History shows us this to be true.

As a long time Denver fan I caution- be careful what you wish for. I love Mike, but he had some issues. The Broncos haven't made the playoffs since 2005 and have won 1 playoff game since Elway left in 1999.

Do people still fail to see the correlation between an offensive line and production on offense?
I saw a team with a weak offensive line win the SB last year (and not make the playoffs this year). There is some correlation, but it's not the only thing, and it doesn't in and of itself guarantee success.

Posted by: daggar | January 4, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse
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It doesn't guarantee success by it's self, but a weak oline does gurantee failure over ninety percent of the time. The team that won the superbowl last year scored defensive TDs whereas the skins defensive sccored 0 TDs. Also the Steelers has a great defense whereas the skins defense was okay. That is the main reason they where able to get to the superbowl. They could afford to have a weak online because they were so dominate on defense. The steelers line last year couldn't pass protect, but did a good job with run blocking. The skins line has struggle in pass protection the last 3 years. Also the skins started to struggle in run blocking the second half of last season.
They need to upgrade the oline first then worry about every other positions after that is done.
The Steelers' weak oline this year did cost them a chance of making the playoffs

DAN SYNDER CHOSE JIM ZORN, NOW WE MUST START OVER AGAIN, WE HAVE BEEN STARTING OVER SINCE DAN SYNDER PURCHASE THE TEAM, SO WE ARE AT THE STARTING POINT AGAIN

Greetings all! Been reading your grand comments for almost a year now and it's all ways someting goin on. Anyway...maybe I missed it but how come no one has mentioned Taylor Mays (FS) for a 1st rd pick. I know you heard of his Sean Taylor like ablities. Heck is Idol is ST. Holla back!