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Should the NFL Change Regular-Season Length?

What's your thinking on whether the NFL should expand the number of regular-season games and reduce the preseason? Vote now at The League.

According to Mark Maske's story today, owners will discuss the matter and sound out their television partners and players, who'd have to be on board. In any event, they'd most likely keep to a 20-game schedule (in whatever combination of preseason and regular-season games),

By Cindy Boren  |  March 24, 2009; 10:56 AM ET
 
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No

Posted by: BT23 | March 24, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

In a word...NO.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 24, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

'....we just signed Hall to a huge deal, Rogers is above average and has Pro Bowl potential, and Smoot is serviceable...

And Rogers' deal is up next year.

Having a young'n now allows the team to let him go and have a stud second year corner to replace him with.

Smoot might get hurt or show age this year.

How is drafting a corner a bad idea when you see it that way?

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 24, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

YES! more real games less preseason games....absolutely!

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 24, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

As a season ticket holder I resent buying tickets to meaningless games,if it does not add games and gives meaning to what I'm forced to buy I say Yes!

Posted by: tomb4 | March 24, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

but to do so they need to expand the roster/practice squads cause there will be more injuries.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 24, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

No.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 24, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Unless they expand the rosters to say 60, then my answer is no.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 24, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Having an NFL franchise located outside of the US is an utterly stupid idea. Few if any players are going to want to play there not to mention they will be at a complete disadvantage with all the travel.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | March 24, 2009 11:04 AM

Agreed. To have the NATIONAL Football League outside the nation is dumb. And if you look at what happened with the Canadian teams in the NBA, it just doesn't work. American Football is only of interest to America and it would be ridiculous to try and force feed it to other countries. Just like trying to make Americans like soccer...try as you might, it's just not gonna work.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 24, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Rather than lengthening the season, let's shorten the offseason, thereby making the NFL season seem longer. The thinking is, rather than springing forward an hour in March, we'd spring forward 65 days. Presto, training camp!

Posted by: SMACK1 | March 24, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

2 preseason games and 18 regular season games makes sense as long as the rosters can be expanded.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 24, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Yes...and a bye week that is for the complete conference in the middle of the season.. Ie. one weekend of no football for the NFC in lets say week 8 and one week of no football for the AFC in week 9 or week 7 (it would be rotated). Also, it would mean no "downtime" for the networks.
This would eliminate the unfair advantage of a team having a bye week in the late portion of the season.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 24, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

I am for anything that eliminates pre season games....I hate'em...yet watch'em....ahh the duplicity of life.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 24, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

For those of you who want Orlando Pace at RT, here's a longtime NFL scout's take on Pace at this point in time:

“I think Orlando has broken down physically,” said Tom Marino, a retired NFL scout who worked for the Rams, New Orleans Saints, Dallas Cowboys and the Chicago Bears, in a telephone interview Monday afternoon. “When I watched him play last season, he couldn’t do certain things that he could do easily in the past that made him the great player he was. He really didn’t look anything like the same player anymore.

“He had some problems with counter moves and different things and was out-quicked on so many things. He really didn’t play very well. There’s no question in my mind that the Rams would have loved to have traded him because he wasn’t the answer anymore. I don’t think he has much left.”

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 24, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Agreed. To have the NATIONAL Football League outside the nation is dumb. And if you look at what happened with the Canadian teams in the NBA, it just doesn't work. American Football is only of interest to America and it would be ridiculous to try and force feed it to other countries. Just like trying to make Americans like soccer...try as you might, it's just not gonna work.


Posted by: brownwood26 | March 24, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Aside from the completely irrelevant and incendiary soccer comment, I agree with Brownwood26 for the first and last time ever.

Posted by: SMACK1 | March 24, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

2 preseason games and 18 regular season games makes sense as long as the rosters can be expanded.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 24, 2009 11:36 AM

I hope this is also a means to establish a regular "rivalry" game. Skins should play the Ravens every year. Jets v. Giants every year. Eagles v. Steelers every year. And Detroit v. Michigan State every year.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 24, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

"Also, it would mean no "downtime" for the networks."

CBS gets all the AFC games, FOX gets all the NFC games (non-primetime). You can't have an entire conference get a bye week at once.

Although it is an interesting idea, considering pretty much every other sport has that sort of thing (theirs are "All-Star" breaks instead of "Bye weeks").

Posted by: psps23 | March 24, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Re roster:

I said this thread, but Peter king said that he has heard that they would radically revamp the dressed roster and practice squad rules, essentially bringing the ability to make fluid moves and dress more players. That would basically bring Roster to 61. The practice squad would be less restrictive and active/inactive rules would go away...

So it sounds as if they are discussing season expansion in concert with roster expansion.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 24, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

NO

Posted by: slipperyrichard | March 24, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

This would eliminate the unfair advantage of a team having a bye week in the late portion of the season.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 24, 2009 11:38 AM

They should be able to remedy the whole bye week thing without extending the schedule. The easy solution would be to just have four bye weeks in the middle of the year and have more teams take byes in a given week. That way you don't have people getting bye weeks in something ridiculous like Week 3 or 4 and everyone gets one somewhere in Weeks 7, 8, 9, or 10. Seems too easy...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 24, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

expand rosters, add another bye week...

I don't really care either way. Pluses and minuses to both. But if you do increase regular season, must expand rosters and time off

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | March 24, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

cL--How did you do that? Two times you've mentioned the lightning rod words, "Peter King," and you haven't been struck yet? Not a single F Peter King. Not even an F ChRiS LarRy. Maybe they think you're talking about Peter King, the Congressman.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 24, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

"Also, it would mean no "downtime" for the networks."

CBS gets all the AFC games, FOX gets all the NFC games (non-primetime). You can't have an entire conference get a bye week at once.

Although it is an interesting idea, considering pretty much every other sport has that sort of thing (theirs are "All-Star" breaks instead of "Bye weeks").

Posted by: psps23 | March 24, 2009 11:42 AM

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Granted, cross "networks".. NFLN notwithstanding..
No downtime for NFL football on the air..albeit "AFC only" one weekend and "NFC only" one weekend. Both approximately in the middle of the season.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 24, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

"Just like trying to make Americans like soccer...try as you might, it's just not gonna work."

This reminds me of "Intelligent Design" proponents arguing against "Evolution", or the "Global Warming is a hoax" crowd being adamantly against the "Tree-huggers".

Believe what you want, Brownwood.

Posted by: psps23 | March 24, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

TE I think its b/c no one pays attention to me anymore.

And def F the congressmen Peter king.....

Posted by: chrislarry | March 24, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

'...Unless they expand the rosters to say 60, then my answer is no....'


Agreed.

And I don't get the idea of limiting the number of guys who dress on game day.

A larger roster would allow coaches to keep highly flexible tweener guys who could perform multiple roles.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 24, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

F Chris Larry. Just because I care.

Adios all! Have a great afternoon

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | March 24, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

I am all for it and all for a 17 game season (with 1 neutral sight game per team 16 offsite games a year).

There are several reasons for this:

I hate the idea of .500 records, a 17 game season would make it so most teams would either finish with a winning or losing record, fans will get into that at the end of the year because you would always want a winning record.

A neutral site game would be a great way for games to be played overseas, in Canada, LA and other locations with out fans feeling shorted if their teams home game is moved.

Non-Conference Regional Rivalries would be promoted finally and could mean something, not to mention they could be played in fun locations. Who would not be interested in going to State College PA and sit in the 110,000 seat Beaver stadium to watch the Steelers vs the Eagles? What about a annual game between SF/OAK and SD/AZ played in LA? NYJ vs NYG in the new Yankee Stadium? Washington vs Baltimore, no clue where you play it. Tampa vs Miami at Orlando in the Disney Bowl.

The 16 games could give LA fans games without expansion (give them like 6 of the games).

These could all be used to make TNF more exciting by playing them in cool locations through the year, I understand ratings are down on those games with them on NFLN.

I would play games in the following places each season:

Beaver Stadium(1 game Pit vs Philly) capacity 107,282
Estadio Azteca, Mex City (1 game) capacity 105,000
Ohio Stadium (1 game) capacity 102,329
Texas Memorial Stadium (1 game Hou vs Dal) capacity 94,113
Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum (6 games) capacity 93,607
Wembley Stadium (1 game) capacity 90,000

Rotate the remaining 5 between any stadium with a min capacity of lets say 85,000 with 1 outside the US.

DO IT!!

Posted by: alex35332 | March 24, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

brown

'...To have the NATIONAL Football League outside the nation is dumb...'


Amen.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 24, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

"And I don't get the idea of limiting the number of guys who dress on game day.

A larger roster would allow coaches to keep highly flexible tweener guys who could perform multiple roles."

Yeah they are discussing just that, I predict a change for the positive in that regard even if season stays at 17.

IF they do expand the "dress" rules and do away with that wacky 3rd emergency QB rule...Pat White shoots up draft boards b/c now he can be 3rd string QB and STILL return punts, do the gadget plays (whats the name of that new offense again?) and what not....

Posted by: chrislarry | March 24, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

how about instead of expanding the rosters, they let them activated the Whole 53 man roster on game day. That is by far the stupidest rule in the NFL. Oh ya and Hell yeah!!! 18 games

Posted by: skinztattoo89 | March 24, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

I am on the fence about whether I like the idea of games/teams outside the US.....but its gonna happen....revue stream from globalization are to tempting to ignore. Might as well get used to it.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 24, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Yes, definintely larger roster if we go more games. Who wants to play even more games with a broken down O-line?

Posted by: Alan4 | March 24, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

revue stream from globalization are to tempting to ignore. Might as well get used to it.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 24, 2009 12:01 PM

And with the weak dollar, those pesos are starting to look mighty attractive.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 24, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

"how about instead of expanding the rosters, they let them activated the Whole 53 man roster on game day. That is by far the stupidest rule in the NFL. Oh ya and Hell yeah!!! 18 games"

There is your proof that people dont read me....as I have posted that this is being discusssed at owners meeting like 5 times....

Posted by: chrislarry | March 24, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

skinztat, I think thats the plan....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 24, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Also yes I would expand the roster to up to 75 players with 70 dressing and the remaining ones being non-dressed but non-Practice Squad.

My dream would be 99 players(to take up every jersey #) and each team has a AAA level team that plays a short season in the first half of the year but that will never happen.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 24, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Again: the common bye idea does not mean there would not be a football game on in late October.

Rather, a rematch of the Super Bowl, conference championship, rivalry, flex game would be offered at 1 pm and then later at 4 pm and even at 8:15 to shut NBC up.

That would be three games on one day while the rest of the league 'chilled' all at the same time to block the late season advantage of a team getting a restful week 12 bye during a playoff push against teams who had a bye in week six or four.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 24, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

I'd be for it of:

They gave each team 2 byes to be taken between Week 4 and Week 15.

And

They expande the roster to at least 60, with 55 dressing. Gives OC and DC more options. (I can vision players being only 1 down on defensive players if that happens)

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 24, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Yeah Alan, imagine that Ravens game...if Fabini and Rhino had been dressed we would have had options....not great options mind you but better than we had at the time....

Posted by: chrislarry | March 24, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

"TE I think its b/c no one pays attention to me anymore."

Your an idiot! Do you have any Friggen stats to back that up? Who's your source on this BS anyway?

Uhhh...

Oh yeah, almost forget: Did you even WATCH any of the games last year?!!!?


There, I think that's all the standard responses. Now you're back on the radar.

Feel better.

Posted by: edvar | March 24, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Yes, definintely larger roster if we go more games. Who wants to play even more games with a broken down O-line?

Posted by: Alan4 | March 24, 2009 12:01 PM

Which guy off our practice squad would have been an upgrade to our O line last year?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 24, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Goodell said he doesn't think there will be an uncapped year next year. If that happens do we even have room for 53 guys on our roster under the cap or will there be 40 or so who's money eats up the whole 130+ million of the cap room? It could be a nightmare.

Posted by: will_ga | March 24, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

My cat says "No" to more games, since he gets kicked every time the Skins lose.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 24, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

SMACK/psps,

Both of you are in total denial if you're thinking that Americans will embrace soccer someday...

We won't.

Just because both of you may like it, doesn't mean that majority of the US population does.

It just seems that Americans (usually the soccer fans) really would like to see the US involved more internationally on a sports level, but the problem with that is in the facet of sports we really don't share the same interests in sports.

They've been trying to make soccer relevant in the US for, what now, 40, 50 years? Pele?

Posted by: RedDMV | March 24, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

TE, maybe not an upgrade, but at least you might have someone like Rinehart available for emergency duty rather than inactive for a majority of the season.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 24, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Aside from the completely irrelevant and incendiary soccer comment, I agree with Brownwood26 for the first and last time ever.

Posted by: SMACK1 | March 24, 2009 11:40 AM

This reminds me of "Intelligent Design" proponents arguing against "Evolution", or the "Global Warming is a hoax" crowd being adamantly against the "Tree-huggers".

Believe what you want, Brownwood.

Posted by: psps23 | March 24, 2009 11:49 AM


I'll be glad to eat my words once we can put MLS in the same sentence as the NFL, NBA, MLB and even NASCAR. Until then, it is what it is. In general, soccer and baseball are sports that the WORLD enjoys...in the U.S. seems to be more drawn toward football, basketball and racecars. Is that view really that wrong?

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 24, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

On the soccer thing, it is making slow but sure progress. The fact that US Soccer teams are building their own stadiums is a indicator of some progress. Too bad the one for DC was not built in town. A 30K stadium like that could serve all sorts of great events that we will now not get in town, (concerts, and other events)

Posted by: alex35332 | March 24, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Both of you are in total denial if you're thinking that Americans will embrace soccer someday...

We won't.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 24, 2009 12:07 PM

We would if soccer could keep up with the times. The size of the goals were set in 1845 when the average goalie had the size and speed of Dan Snyder. Now the goalies are all over six feet and faster than SkinsneedaGM's cat when he's kicked. The result is scores like 2-1, 1-0. Who cares?

Now if they'd make the goals a meter taller and three meters wider so that scores would be 14-12, with six lead changes, Americans could get behind that.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 24, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Yes. More games means less off-season nitwitery.

Posted by: mack1 | March 24, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

SMACK/psps,

Both of you are in total denial if you're thinking that Americans will embrace soccer someday...

We won't.

Just because both of you may like it, doesn't mean that majority of the US population does.

It just seems that Americans (usually the soccer fans) really would like to see the US involved more internationally on a sports level, but the problem with that is in the facet of sports we really don't share the same interests in sports.

They've been trying to make soccer relevant in the US for, what now, 40, 50 years? Pele?

Posted by: RedDMV | March 24, 2009 12:07 PM

Amen, Red. Glad I'm not the only one here noticing the trend...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 24, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Thanks edvar...I needed that!

TE I think Fabini stepping in during that Ravens game would have been a heckuva a lot better than the G named dude we threw to the wolves....

Posted by: chrislarry | March 24, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

what about expanding the off season or replacing the wild card format with a
division championship- 2nd round (needs a name)- Conference championship- Super-bowl, format?

Posted by: alex35332 | March 24, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

As I live far away from the DMV, Direct TV is my only option and I'm a little worried about how much the Sunday ticket is gonna cost! However, they can't jack the price up so high that they lose a lot of people, which if it goes up to 400 or so a year might happen. Right now I think its about 260.

Posted by: will_ga | March 24, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

brownwood....so basketball isn't an international sport?

Posted by: chrislarry | March 24, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Hockey?

Posted by: alex35332 | March 24, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Just because both of you may like it, doesn't mean that majority of the US population does.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 24, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Good god, we don't want the majority of US Americans. Who would? We'll be just fine with the select 15-20% we have now. The rest of you can go to your dreadful baseball games and NASCAR races.

Posted by: SMACK1 | March 24, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Thanks edvar...I needed that!

It takes a village...

Posted by: edvar | March 24, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Now if they'd make the goals a meter taller and three meters wider so that scores would be 14-12, with six lead changes, Americans could get behind that.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 24, 2009 12:13 PM

And if they made the field a bit smaller, that would help too.

But if you have to tinker with it that much, you run into the problem of your product being noticably different than the brand of soccer played overseas. Which makes it a problem in international competition (think Olympic basketball).

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 24, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

TE I think Fabini stepping in during that Ravens game would have been a heckuva a lot better than the G named dude we threw to the wolves....

Posted by: chrislarry | March 24, 2009 12:15 PM

Agreed, but I was talking about expanding the size of the active roster. Fabini is about expanding the size of the game day roster.

But, both should be increased. Practice team, schmactus team. We keep losing guys off of it. There's just not enough good talent (and talent_evaluation is what I pretend to do.)

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 24, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

"I would play games in the following places each season:

Beaver Stadium(1 game Pit vs Philly) capacity 107,282
Estadio Azteca, Mex City (1 game) capacity 105,000
Ohio Stadium (1 game) capacity 102,329
Texas Memorial Stadium (1 game Hou vs Dal) capacity 94,113
Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum (6 games) capacity 93,607
Wembley Stadium (1 game) capacity 90,000

Rotate the remaining 5 between any stadium with a min capacity of lets say 85,000 with 1 outside the US."

Awesome idea. AFC and NFC teams that are close in proximity should play at a neutral site. Where would the Beltway Battle take place though?

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 24, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Now if they'd make the goals a meter taller and three meters wider so that scores would be 14-12, with six lead changes, Americans could get behind that.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 24, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

But you like the Redskins, who only score two or three times a game.

Posted by: SMACK1 | March 24, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

You all are arguing about stuff that doesn't matter. If the owners think they can generate revenue by globalizing the sport, even if it means a few investment years first, they will. MLB, the NBA and even Hockey make huge dollars by taping international markets for players, fans and consumers. The NFL wants in. They know its a tougher sell, but they want to try.

Coneleeza Rice said that fanbases that are predisposed to team sports like soccer, rugby and Aussie football would be the most fertile ground.

Pop culture/consumerism is the America's biggest export, if we can get them to eat new foods, listen to new music etc...The NFL can sell American Football to enough people to make money.

Book it.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 24, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

What David Beckham didn't win you guys over? That was a great investment. I may be wrong but I can't see 1 in 5 Americans actually caring about soccer.

F soccer and the globalization of the NFL. Nothing but greed driving that decision.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | March 24, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

"They've been trying to make soccer relevant in the US for, what now, 40, 50 years? Pele?

Posted by: RedDMV"

Not really. Back in the old NASL days, the New York Cosmos used to sell out 60,000 seat stadiums in a heartbeat. There wasn't a problem with popularity. It had to do with the entire league being financially flawed, where there was too much lopsided wealth coming into and/or being spent by certain owners (revenue sharing?). The league folded because NASLPA refused to agree to a salary cap.

Red, trust me when I say that the popularity of soccer has grown exponentially in the last 20 years. Prior to 1990, the national team consisted of several college players, and their World Cup qualifying games were being played on high school fields. Since then, there has been the creation of a sustainable and expanding national league (MLS), the creation of several "soccer specific stadiums" (not even all NBA or NHL teams have this), the expansion of a sophisticated national youth program that provides residency throughout high school and develops some of the top young talent in the world, and an ever-increasing rate of results and expectations put on this national team's squads.

In short, just because you aren't interested in the sport doesn't deny the fact that millions upon millions in this country are. Nobody is saying soccer will be the most popular sport this country will offer, just as basketball will never be the most popular sport in Spain, Germany, or Italy. But that does NOT make basketball unpopular in those countries, just as it doesn't make soccer unpopular in this country.

Milan and Chelsea are coming to Baltimore this summer. Let's see how "unpopular" those tickets are when they go on sale.

Posted by: psps23 | March 24, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

The league should add 20 games. That way the Redskins have a shot at winning more than 10 games in a season.

Posted by: peterandmeredith | March 24, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Maybe they should switch to a BCS rating system and let every team get to play a bowl game. Huge money. Sarcasm off.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 24, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

brownwood....so basketball isn't an international sport?

Posted by: chrislarry | March 24, 2009 12:18 PM

Yeah, it is. Never said it wasn't. I'm not sure how that question fits into the remarks I've made about soccer...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 24, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

yeah posse 81-84...b/c most of the other things the NFL decides on are pure philanthropy....

Posted by: chrislarry | March 24, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Why the NFL will never become truly international:

"Sunday morning, 1 am, on the NFL Network it is the first game of the season. Tune in to see the Tel Aviv Zionists take on the Tehran Terrorists..."

And then the world blows up.

Posted by: DickCheneysDutchOvenCookies | March 24, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Whatever they do, I hope they avoid the weird rules changes they make every year.

Like the change in the 'force out' rule where a guy now has to land in bounds with both feet for a catch to be legal.

The change gave an advantage to corners who played a receiver close to the sideline knowing any slightly off pass his way probably would be ruled incomplete if he made sure he forced the receiver out of bounds while the guy was fighting for the ball.

If you're going to open things up, allow the ball caught on a force out to be a catch so the fade, deep corner, and 18 yard comeback become a greater part of the passing game.

The overtime rules must change, though.

The college system where both teams get the ball beats sudden death tens times over.

Now, whoever gets the ball in overtime, just drives downfield enough to try for a long field goal when both teams should get a chance to score.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 24, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

TE I think Fabini stepping in during that Ravens game would have been a heckuva a lot better than the G named dude we threw to the wolves....

Posted by: chrislarry | March 24, 2009 12:15 PM
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Can someone settle a bet..
Did Ray Lewis in the above referenced game, really yell at the Redskins bench (coaches) for putting in a clearly overmatched substitute OL guy during the game??

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 24, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

"Did Ray Lewis in the above referenced game, really yell at the Redskins bench (coaches) for putting in a clearly overmatched substitute OL guy during the game??"

That would have been Suggs...and he told Cooley he did.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 24, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Should there be a work stoppage, the NFL would still get its $1 billion from the DirecTV deal...http://views.washingtonpost.com/theleague/nflnewsfeed/2009/03/directv-deal-payable-even-in-lockout.html

Posted by: Cindy Boren | March 24, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse


"Did Ray Lewis in the above referenced game, really yell at the Redskins bench (coaches) for putting in a clearly overmatched substitute OL guy during the game??"

That would have been Suggs...and he told Cooley he did.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 24, 2009 12:34 PM
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Thanks... if true, how pathetic is that?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 24, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

The league should add 20 games. That way the Redskins have a shot at winning more than 10 games in a season.

Posted by: peterandmeredith | March 24, 2009 12:29 PM

Not really. By game 18, Santana Moss and Justin Tryon would be sitting at RT and LT with ARE and Smoot at Center/Guard, and some of the more clueless Skins fans would be in RI blaming JC17 for not getting rid of the ball fast enough to "beat the blitz".

Posted by: Alan4 | March 24, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

"What David Beckham didn't win you guys over? That was a great investment."

David Beckham wasn't brought in for soccer enthusiasts. He was brought in for high-school girls and soccer moms to see him smile.

You guys simply aren't getting it. Soccer in this country isn't about the MLS...

Posted by: psps23 | March 24, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

not Ray, but Terrell Suggs

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 24, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Red, trust me when I say that the popularity of soccer has grown exponentially in the last 20 years.

Posted by: psps23 | March 24, 2009 12:27 PM

So has the popularity of football. And basketball. And reality TV shows. You could attribute the internet boom, the increase in Hispanic citizens, and the, you know, increase in total population.

You've taken my remark about soccer being the 4 or 5th most popular sport in this country as some sort of slam against it. That's not the case at all. The only point I was trying to make was that the NFL has tried to market overseas and it's been met with lukewarm interest at best. Mexico seems to dig it, not so much in Europe. If you disagree with that, then fine...we seem to disagree on most topics outside of what to do when bored at work. But don't make it out to be me taking a jab at soccer because that's not what I'm doing.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 24, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

American football is the greatest, Soccer has the best flow of any sport, i think it's possible to love both sports, they both are the s**t, who cares if the mls sucks, most true soccer fans in this country watch overseas soccer anyway, in my lifetime i would love to see the Redskins win 3-4 more super bowls, the Caps win 2-3 stanley cups and USA Soccer to win 1 world cup

and casey rabach still sucks, we need a new center, only 2 players on the O touch the ball on every down, we need to upgrade on 1 of them, and it's not Jason Campbell

Posted by: retroskins14 | March 24, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

psp, agreed regarding soccer. go to any field on a saturday morning in about 3 weeks, and tell me how unpopular and how not accepted soccer is.....if you have kids you know how popular it is....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 24, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

I'd choose watching Australian Rules Footbal, Rugby, and Cricket over soccer if they brought a team over here.

Soccer was cool in Elementary school because you get to run around the whole time. But watching a 1-nil game for a 90 min consecutive length is ridicoulous.

Of course, that's just my own personal opinion and anyone can choose what they want to watch/play.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 24, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

"You've taken my remark about soccer being the 4 or 5th most popular sport in this country as some sort of slam against it."

If it were only that, I wouldn't care. But that's not what you said:

"Just like trying to make Americans like soccer...try as you might, it's just not gonna work."

Quite a difference in tone and insinuation.

Posted by: psps23 | March 24, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

"Thanks... if true, how pathetic is that?"

Did you not watch the game? It was pitifully pathetic. Justin Geiseinger is a backup guard I believe, and he had to march out and play LT against one of the premier pass-rushers in the league.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | March 24, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Why are you reporting this. You should only be reporting scraps about Cutler. If they trade for him, and you haven't even given us hint of it, besides your own semi-qualified guessing, then you should get out of town (maybe banish you to Phili).

Posted by: Therub | March 24, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

psp, agreed regarding soccer. go to any field on a saturday morning in about 3 weeks, and tell me how unpopular and how not accepted soccer is.....if you have kids you know how popular it is....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 24, 2009 12:40 PM |

My daughter plays at the Germantown Soccer Plex, they have over a 100 teams from ages 7 to 18 for Boys and Girls.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 24, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

psp, agreed regarding soccer. go to any field on a saturday morning in about 3 weeks, and tell me how unpopular and how not accepted soccer is.....if you have kids you know how popular it is....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 24, 2009 12:40 PM

Every week, mostly Sundays, most football/elementary/Middle School fields are packed with people playing soccer around here.

The problem is, if I wanted to join, no one would be able to understand me because I speak English and they don't.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 24, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

not Ray, but Terrell Suggs

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 24, 2009 12:38 PM
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Thanks... Googled Suggs and Skins and found the Suggs quote to the media from last year..


"For his part, Suggs was a concerned when he saw Geisinger line up opposite him.

"I actually pointed at Jim Zorn and said, 'You can't do this, you're going to get your quarterback hurt,' " said Suggs, who praised Geisinger's effort under such stark circumstances. "I was like, 'I don't think this guy is supposed to be here. You've got a mistake.' "

Vinny should have this quote taped to his forehead, wrist, etc on Draft day. If he is thinking of looking anywhere else than OL improvement in the First Round.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 24, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

I can additionally foresee them adding a 4 week break sometime around December. The NFL network would run repeats for that month and generate more excitement for the second half of the season. The players union would probably go for that insomuch as it would allow players to get healthy. By pushing the season out toward spring maybe we go get a Super Bowl played in DC.

Posted by: bill61 | March 24, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Should there be a work stoppage, the NFL would still get its $1 billion from the DirecTV
Posted by: Cindy Boren | March 24, 2009

Yeah, I can see all the package prices going up and not just Sunday ticket in order to afford that nonsense. It won't be long before it will cost 200 a month even without the NFL!

Posted by: will_ga | March 24, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

If you're going to open things up, allow the ball caught on a force out to be a catch so the fade, deep corner, and 18 yard comeback become a greater part of the passing game.

Why not make a rule that it’s still a catch when a receiver drops a pass b/c the DB hits him and jars the ball loose before he gets both feet down…..you know, cuz he WOULD HAVE caught it if not for that mean old safety who just did his job…….

Posted by: dlhaze1 | March 24, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

The problem is, if I wanted to join, no one would be able to understand me because I speak English and they don't.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 24, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Sorry 4th, you're getting a Winkie for this one.

-The Winking Brown Eye Prize Patrol

Posted by: SMACK1 | March 24, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

soccer = the metric system. both get the gas face.

Posted by: Original_etrod | March 24, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

But you like the Redskins, who only score two or three times a game.

Posted by: SMACK1 | March 24, 2009 12:23 PM

Oooh, Smack! You got me.

But we're making the goal posts wider to get a few more scores?

While the Redskins only score two or three times, the other team scores four or five, so we still get our money's worth?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 24, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Why are you reporting this. You should only be reporting scraps about Cutler. If they trade for him, and you haven't even given us hint of it, besides your own semi-qualified guessing, then you should get out of town (maybe banish you to Phili).

Posted by: Therub | March 24, 2009 12:45 PM

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maybe the Skins FO have put JLac in a media blackout.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 24, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Vinny should have this quote taped to his forehead, wrist, etc on Draft day. If he is thinking of looking anywhere else than OL improvement in the First Round.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 24, 2009 12:47 PM

Well, let's go back to the Ravens game.

Sameuls was out for the year. Heyer was in on LT and Jansen was in at RT.

Fabini and Chad were inactive.

And Heyer gets hurt.

Blame it on Jim Zorn as he is the one who controls active day rosters. He thought he could slide with just those 2, but his gamble went terribly wrong, even though we could have still one that game........

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 24, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

From urban Dictionary:

winkies
Nudists over the age of 29 usually develop tan lines under the crease of their butt. When standing still they cannot be seen, but when someone is walking away the untanned regions will flash in alternation.
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I still don't know if that is good or bad.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 24, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

But we're making the goal posts wider to get a few more scores?

While the Redskins only score two or three times, the other team scores four or five, so we still get our money's worth?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 24, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Maybe make ARE a meter taller and three meters wider?

Posted by: SMACK1 | March 24, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

flound, all 3 of my kids play, both spring, and fall soccer, games are played at every field in the town on Saturday's, and start at 8, and the last game is usually at 1, or thereabouts.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 24, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Sameuls was out for the year. Heyer was in on LT and Jansen was in at RT.

Fabini and Chad were inactive.

And Heyer gets hurt.

Blame it on Jim Zorn as he is the one who controls active day rosters. He thought he could slide with just those 2, but his gamble went terribly wrong, even though we could have still one that game........

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 24, 2009 12:58 PM

Blame it on JC17! If he just stopped holding onto the ball and threw more TDs, no one would notice the decrepit O-line or the weak-hammied WRs. Maybe Snyder can get Cutler and put him at LT... he'd be costly enough to play multiple positions!

Posted by: Alan4 | March 24, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Hey now. MLS is coming to Portland, yo! We are so totally a major league city now.

Build a bonfire, build a bonfire
Put Seattle on the top
Put Vancouver in the middle
And we’ll burn the bloody lot!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 24, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

From urban Dictionary:

winkies
Nudists over the age of 29 usually develop tan lines under the crease of their butt. When standing still they cannot be seen, but when someone is walking away the untanned regions will flash in alternation.
===============================

I still don't know if that is good or bad.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 24, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Urban Dictionary isn't perfect, but you're in the right neighborhood.

Posted by: SMACK1 | March 24, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

It wasn't Zorn's fault Geisinger was in there, everyone else active was hurt.....it absolutely was Zorn's fing fault that he left him single blocked with no TE or RB to help him....that was idiotic and was the single most damning evidence that Zorn was overmatched last year and has a long way to go before being a legit head coach. the others were the benching through the media of Jansen, the complete mishandling of CP, the utter lack of growth/progress over an entire season for Thomas and Davis, and a 16 point a game offense.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 24, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Maybe make ARE a meter taller and three meters wider?

Posted by: SMACK1 | March 24, 2009 1:02 PM

That would make him Stephon Heyer.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 24, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

I still don't know if that is good or bad.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 24, 2009 1:01 PM |
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Sounds pretty bad.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | March 24, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

zjfr2, shouldn't Buges shoulder some of the blame for the blocking scheme? It stops at the HC, I know, but he needs his experienced position coaches to do their jobs too.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 24, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Blame it on Jim Zorn as he is the one who controls active day rosters. He thought he could slide with just those 2, but his gamble went terribly wrong, even though we could have still one that game........

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 24, 2009 12:58 PM |


4th

For once, I agree with you (though you probably might want to say "won" the game, not "one"...).

To take the point further, why didn't they give Geisinger some help from a TE or at least a chip from Portis? He got left on an island.

Bad play calling made a perilous situation worse.

Posted by: edvar | March 24, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

++++And Rogers' deal is up next year.

Having a young'n now allows the team to let him go and have a stud second year corner to replace him with.

Smoot might get hurt or show age this year.

How is drafting a corner a bad idea when you see it that way?

Posted by: MistaMoe+++

In truth, the Skins are perilously thin at CB once you get past the two starters. Smoot got worked last year and Tryon isn't the answer. Where is Leigh Torrance and Ade Jimoh when you need them?

I am sure Vinny has his little list telling him what to draft and if a CB is the "best available" that's what he'll go for.

This is where trading back would be a viable move, as a "third CB" with the #13 overall makes no sense.

If the skins end up with a lower first, a second, and a third and go OL, LB and CB in one order or another--I think that would be an ideal situation.

Of course, that would involve picking the RIGHT ones, so....

I AM excited about being awarded the second pick in the eighth round, tho....

Posted by: TheCork | March 24, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Vinny should have this quote taped to his forehead, wrist, etc on Draft day. If he is thinking of looking anywhere else than OL improvement in the First Round.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 24, 2009 12:47 PM

Well, let's go back to the Ravens game.

Sameuls was out for the year. Heyer was in on LT and Jansen was in at RT.

Fabini and Chad were inactive.

And Heyer gets hurt.

Blame it on Jim Zorn as he is the one who controls active day rosters. He thought he could slide with just those 2, but his gamble went terribly wrong, even though we could have still one that game........

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 24, 2009 12:58 PM

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Maybe then its Quality of OL depth, not so much Quantity. No matter, the OL still looks like 3rd stringers when lined up with NFL DLines. Hopefully Vinny goes OL in the First. Rinehart showed not many OL guys who are bona fide Starters in their rookie season, are available in the 3rd round.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 24, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

"Blame it on JC17! If he just stopped holding onto the ball and threw more TDs, no one would notice the decrepit O-line or the weak-hammied WRs. Maybe Snyder can get Cutler and put him at LT... he'd be costly enough to play multiple positions!

Posted by: Alan4 | March 24, 2009"

Has to be one of the silliest posts I have ever seen. Clearly someone who never watched some of the less than enchanting QB's that have passed through DC and the many offensive lines.

Campbell is not the problem. Its the OL period.

If Vinnie had used that 1st round pick last year on Sam Baker as Atlanta did the tackle position would be tenable if not perfect. He could have drafted the starting DE for Tennessee in the 2nd round.

Must we go on? Vinnie drafted 1 guy and wasted nine more picks. And Danny went with it ... I doubt that he will again. I am certain ol' Vinnie is being held on a very, very short leash in spite of all of his statements about "being in charge". Kind of like that secretary of defense under Reagan when Reagan was shot. Neither was/is in charge of anything.

Posted by: periculum | March 24, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

With the lack of a true farm system, the NFL's only place to get a hands on, real life evaluation of talent is in a preseason game. I don't like to see veterans getting hurt in preseason, and maybe the NFL should limit the first two games to first year players, but the tune-up time is required for the veterans and they need a good two games to get ready. If it's an either-or proposition, then I say leave pre-season and regular season lengths where they are. If an extra game or two can be squeezed into the regular season without cutting preseason, then I sure wouldn't mind seeing the extra games.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 24, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

We have a 13 (RD 1)
80 (RD 3)
150 (RD 5)
186 (RD 6)
243 (RD 7)
If we traded the 1st, what would we get in return? What should we expect to get?

Posted by: FedorEm | March 24, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Yeah and they really should have drafted a CB in the second round last year.

Did they really need 2 receivers and a tight end before drafting a worthless tackle?

Posted by: periculum | March 24, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Bad play calling made a perilous situation worse.

Posted by: edvar | March 24, 2009 1:08 PM |
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Bad management left the Redskins with an old, broken down offensive line.

And either Reinhart was a bad pick, or else the coaches were overly stubborn not to activate him. I guess we won't know for a while...but I suspect bad pick.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | March 24, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

I've never been comfortable with the notion of 17 games. I don't think I can get my head around an odd number of regular season games per team. Just seems strange somehow. Maybe I'm not thinking out of the box enough.

If they're going to bump it up, I say make it 18 + 2 preseason exhibition games and keep it even.

I say NO to any of these "extra" games being played in LA. The second-biggest market in the country can't get its act together to host a franchise full-time, but they'll get cherry-picked showcase regular season games? If I were the NFL, I would give that money and exposure to any big city in the world before I gave it to LA.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 24, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Reduce preseason to 2 games. Keep regular season 16 games. Expand playoffs to have 4 divison winners with 18 wild card teams and lengthen the playoff season by 4 weeks! No one wants to see the worst 10 teams anyway.

Posted by: donsilvester | March 24, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

+++"Just like trying to make Americans like soccer...try as you might, it's just not gonna work."+++

So true. Football is a uniquely AMERICAN sport, just like baseball.

Anyone else see the WORLD baseball championship final game between those two American powerhouse, Korea and Japan?

Posted by: TheCork | March 24, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

"If we traded the 1st, what would we get in return? What should we expect to get?

Posted by: FedorEm | March 24, 2009"

They will need to trade next year's pick as well I suspect to go lower in the 1st and pick up a second or two as they did last year. Maybe pick up an additional 3rd.

Then draft CB with a 1st then with the lower picks draft:
OL [T, G/C]; more than one. 3?
OLB/DE best available
more than one if possible.
K


Posted by: periculum | March 24, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

"And either Reinhart was a bad pick, or else the coaches were overly stubborn not to activate him. I guess we won't know for a while...but I suspect bad pick.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | March 24, 2009"

He was a very, very bad pick. Clearly the Ravens game demonstrated that when Heyer went out and Geisinger came in. And Terrel Suggs came in ... right on top of JC17.

That should have been Rhinehart. That one game speaks volumes about Rhinehart. Have to assume he is released before the end of training camp.

Posted by: periculum | March 24, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

zjfr2, shouldn't Buges shoulder some of the blame for the blocking scheme? It stops at the HC, I know, but he needs his experienced position coaches to do their jobs too.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 24, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Buges doesn't call the blocking schemes, based on my understanding it is dictated by the play call (JZ) and the audibles at the line which Rabach used to make but in this system JC makes. Regardless, the play and formation called by JZ should have had the TE and RB on that side giving a woefully overmatched player help and if it didn't, JC should have known that and made an adjustment. No matter how you slice it though, it is absolutely insane that no help was there, John Madden was in the booth on the telecast saying he didn't understand what they were doing and that it was just inexcusable. When you go Madden questioning you on air...that aint good.

Posted by: zjfr2 | March 24, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

+++Also yes I would expand the roster to up to 75 players with 70 dressing and the remaining ones being non-dressed but non-Practice Squad.+++


I vote that instead of non-dressed players, they have non-dressed cheerleaders.

Posted by: TheCork | March 24, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

RSH, you wrote "With the lack of a true farm system, the NFL's only place to get a hands on, real life evaluation of talent is in a preseason game."

I'd argue that college football is the only place to get a hands on, real life evaluation of talent.

I'd go on to argue that preseason games do not provide the evaluation you claim, since rookies and bottom-of-the-roster just-a-guys are usually playing other rookies and just-a-guys in preseason. And those games don't count for anything. Only slightly better than useless. Two preseason games would be enough for whatever purpose they serve.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 24, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

They will need to trade next year's pick as well I suspect to go lower in the 1st and pick up a second or two as they did last year. Maybe pick up an additional 3rd.
Posted by: periculum | March 24, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Not sure I would trade next years 1st rounder. I would keep all the picks this year and get what we can, and next year load up on young bodies along both lines. Maybe if we get a RT this year, next years 1st can get us a franchise LT.

Posted by: FedorEm | March 24, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

"Rhinehart showed not many OL guys who are bona fide Starters in their rookie season, are available in the 3rd round.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 24, 2009"

But he (Rhinehart) did not feel confident enough to be activated so that he (drafted as a tackle in the 3rd round) could spell the undrafted Heyer who was starting when he was injured. Instead they had to send in Geisinger.

Posted by: periculum | March 24, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Thunder -

"Bad management left the Redskins with an old, broken down offensive line." Agreed.

I'm referring to being in the middle of the game when the bullets are flying and trying to manage a bad situation. I think Zorn blew it on that one. If you watch the replay, you can even see Buges shooting him a look as this is going down.

I think everyone in the stadium but Zorn knew Geisinger was on a suicide mission and needed help.

Let's hope this improves substantially this season.

Posted by: edvar | March 24, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: CindyBoren | March 24, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

rinehart was inactive for every game. none of our rookies were "ready" to play. at some point that has to fall on the shoulders of the coaching staff...

they can't all be "bad picks"

Posted by: carsonspence | March 24, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

+++psp, agreed regarding soccer. go to any field on a saturday morning in about 3 weeks, and tell me how unpopular and how not accepted soccer is.....if you have kids you know how popular it is....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 24, 2009 12:40 PM+++

I never missed a soccer game my kids played in. Now, ask me (or them) how many soccer games we've seen in person since that ended?

Youth Soccer is great. It helps kids use up energy and allows parentsa chance to shout at their kids and each other.

I enjoyed halftime where the team mother Suzanne took us down to a place by the river and fed us tea and oranges from salvation army counters.

Posted by: TheCork | March 24, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

"And either Reinhart was a bad pick, or else the coaches were overly stubborn not to activate him. I guess we won't know for a while...but I suspect bad pick.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | March 24, 2009"

He was a very, very bad pick. Clearly the Ravens game demonstrated that when Heyer went out and Geisinger came in. And Terrel Suggs came in ... right on top of JC17.

That should have been Rhinehart. That one game speaks volumes about Rhinehart. Have to assume he is released before the end of training camp.

Posted by: periculum | March 24, 2009 1:20 PM |

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How can a Scout team of at least a dozen guys and Vinny do so badly (1 for 10)?? My 1 year old could of "thrown up" on a prospect list, (picking the "covered" ones) and done better.

Here is a strategy... Vinny should have his "scouting team" follow (stalk) Parcell's scouting team.. write down who they are working out at the colleges..and pick accordingly.. DONE. Even the left overs from Parcells list would be a leg up on last year's results..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 24, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

"Not sure I would trade next years 1st rounder. I would keep all the picks this year and get what we can, and next year load up on young bodies along both lines. Maybe if we get a RT this year, next years 1st can get us a franchise LT.

Posted by: FedorEm | March 24, 2009"

If they had used those 10 picks on linemen, OL and DE they would not be in the predicament they are in now. If they had kept the 1st last year they could have drafted Sam Baker, Atlanta's starting left tackle. And they still could have drafted Tennessee's starting DE.

Instead they traded picks and get 36 year old Jason Taylor. Leaving them with just 4 this year. They signed Haynesworth demolishing their salary cap, forcing them to almost entirely dismantle the 4th best defense in the NFL last year. They had no space left to sign additional free agents they needed fill in the gaps left behind by the released players and to make up for aging/injured lines.

The clock has struck midnight. They can no longer wait to draft linemen. They can't draft worthless wide receivers as they have so many times in the past. They now must draft linemen starting on offense and then defense. And they need a cornerback.

The only way they can pay for this through the salary cap is by drafting and starting rookies. That is the untenable situation they have left themselves in.

Posted by: periculum | March 24, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

I vote they cut a preseason game out, I think that hurt us last sesason

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 24, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Now, they have only 2 guys left they can cut to get an additional 2-3 million in salary cap.

1. Starting center Casey Rabach.
2. WR James Thrash.

Posted by: periculum | March 24, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

I vote they cut a preseason game out, I think that hurt us last sesason

Posted by: pabrian2003 | March 24, 2009 1:34 PM
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No, it was the 16 game regular season that hurt us last year.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 24, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

+++They will need to trade next year's pick as well I suspect to go lower in the 1st and pick up a second or two as they did last year. Maybe pick up an additional 3rd.

Posted by: periculum+++

I am 100% against trading away next year's picks because I hold to the desperate hope that next year's draft day decisions will be made by someone who has a clue.

Posted by: TheCork | March 24, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

I thought Thrash was retiring. Why is he even on the roster? It is time to move on with him. Yeah, I know, he's a great guy, leader, special teams wiz, etc.

Great Special Teamers are supposed to be developmental players who earn their keep by banging heads on ST's, not a place to hang on to slow ineffective receivers whose best days are way behind them. Youth, speed and power should be the montra on ST's.

Posted by: edvar | March 24, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

+++They will need to trade next year's pick as well I suspect to go lower in the 1st and pick up a second or two as they did last year. Maybe pick up an additional 3rd.

Posted by: periculum+++

I am 100% against trading away next year's picks because I hold to the desperate hope that next year's draft day decisions will be made by someone who has a clue.

Posted by: TheCork | March 24, 2009 1:40 PM |

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What a great job security strategy by Vinny.. Trade away future picks so no real GM in his right mind would want to come to the Skins..
*only 4 picks this year..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 24, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

That should have been Rhinehart. That one game speaks volumes about Rhinehart. Have to assume he is released before the end of training camp.


Posted by: periculum | March 24, 2009 1:20 PM |

He wasn't active so he couldn't come in.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 24, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

"He wasn't active so he couldn't come in"

Maybe that's the point. Why is Geisinger active ahead of Rhinehart?

Posted by: edvar | March 24, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Come on ...People on this blog are network executives now? Talking about how to show and distribute games for networks? A bit overboard there....You guys have no idea whats involved in that...


Anyway,

I am all for shortening the preseason....but not for making the season longer. The players can barely make it the whole season helathy...moreless all the way to the bowl. This would also mean they would have to expand rosters which is also a bad idea...the level of play in the NFL is about to get even more mediocre.

missing the days before FA when the players played, the coaches coached and the owners were just that. the level pf play of the filed was PRO FOOTBALL.

Posted by: leevi98 | March 24, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

I think keep the season at 16 regular season games but just cut back the preseason games to 3 instead of 4. With an odd number of pre-season games, then work to schedule 1 of the 3 on a neutral site so we season ticket holders are only burdened with one home preseason meaningless game where the eventual starters seldom play anyway.

I wish the NFL would also open the regular season on Labor Day weekend too.

Posted by: IndySkinsFan | March 24, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Why not? with the World Series running deep into October, the NFL can add a game, then add another bye weak and schedule the Super Bowl for St. Paddy's day. just think of the half-time possibilities.

Posted by: mdrockjock | March 24, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

"how about instead of expanding the rosters, they let them activated the Whole 53 man roster on game day. That is by far the stupidest rule in the NFL. Oh ya and Hell yeah!!! 18 games"

There is your proof that people dont read me....as I have posted that this is being discusssed at owners meeting like 5 times....

Posted by: chrislarry | March 24, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

You're right I don't read you .... umm.. sorry bout that can you ever forgive me?

Posted by: skinztattoo89 | March 24, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

I love the game as much as anyone but one has to ask, how much can the human body take.

Extend the season - Absolutly not!

Posted by: ds5371 | March 25, 2009 7:35 AM | Report abuse

Absolutely yes... Players are in shape year round now.. so no need for 4 preseason games to get in game shape. Make 2 preseason games and 18 game schedule.. To help in player fatigue.. there are 53 players on a team yet only 47 dress each week.. Let everyone dress for a game, therefore you can sub more and take more regular players off special teams.

Posted by: sovine08 | March 25, 2009 9:41 AM | Report abuse

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