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Posted at 12:00 PM ET, 01/ 5/2011

Should the Redskins rely on Luck?

By Matt McFarland

How much should the team be willing to trade away to move up in the draft and select Stanford's Andrew Luck? Give us your answer in the Redskins Tailgate Zone:

By Matt McFarland  | January 5, 2011; 12:00 PM ET
 
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3 firsts and a ham sandwich.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 5, 2011 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Haven't we been relying on luck all year?

Posted by: freakzilla | January 5, 2011 12:08 PM | Report abuse

beep-beep

And if you do, you've got to like what he did last night.

The kid Mallett has an electric arm. He's a good deep ball thrower.

An obvious weakness, though, is that like most q-backs, he flakes out and makes poor decision while under pressure.

Pryor, actually, is the one that impressed last night as his response to pressure meant a nice long run from the pocket.

Too, Pryor seemed to want to read the field, then run as opposed to just running like Tyrod Taylor did the night before.

Mallett is more like a Rivers/Schaub/Romo guy who needs the prefect pocket.

And increasingly in the NFL, the athlete who reads the field before running is what's desired as you can't stop the blitzing defenders all the time...

....no matter how good your o-line is.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 5, 2011 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Here is a Stat-boy gem from earlier in the year:
"My point is that his (Portis') contributions to the Redskins fortunes are vastly overrated by looking at only total yardage and touchdowns. "

I don't know how you can over-rate touchdowns. Last time I checked, the team that scored the most points won the game.

Posted by: dpc2003 | January 5, 2011 12:12 PM | Report abuse

I'm not clicking that link.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 5, 2011 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Skins should hope for a Shanahan and Elway reunion tour, to be held in Denver.

Posted by: deshackleford | January 5, 2011 12:19 PM | Report abuse

I don't know how you can over-rate touchdowns.

Posted by: dpc2003 | January 5, 2011 12:12 PM

Cooley knew that his easy touchdown in Jacksonville would have been considered over-rated...so he dropped it.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 5, 2011 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Luck might be worth trading up, but I think it's probably 3 years before the Redskins should draft a QB in the 1st round.

Mallett... I dunno. I didn't watch the game last night, but last year I wasn't very impressed with his decision-making. Maybe it's gotten better. His footwork was poor too, slow release. Not sure about his arm strength.

Now, the guy to watch is playing Saturday: Kaepernick from Nevada.

6'6" 225
2010 20 TD 7 INT 2830 YD 65% Comp,
1184 YDS rushing 7.2 YPC and 20 TD!

I haven't seen the guy play yet, but seems to fit the Joe Flacco mold.

Posted by: dpc2003 | January 5, 2011 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Hey JR ! , what makes you think Skins have a chance @ Luck ? They've been out of ( it ) for sooooo long now. Sorry, I forget the Bad counted ! ?

Posted by: killerskunk63 | January 5, 2011 12:24 PM | Report abuse

ZEKE’S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES, as always, brought to you by Yahoo!’s finest

I’ll do a couple ‘end of season’ posts, this my take on the 2010 season and some basics about what it means for 2011 and beyond.

On the big picture front, 2010 didn’t accomplish whatever the plan intended it to accomplish. You bring in McNabb to win soon. Shanny went with a bunch of older guys coming out of camp (LJohnson, Hicks, Holliday, etc). Between 2010 and 2011, we traded away a slot in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th rounds. It was a ‘light’ version of George Allen’s “the future is now”.

Unlike George Allen, we didn’t win now. We weren’t close, as our playoff hunt was over with 5 games to go.

The ‘win now’ actions didn’t help accelerate future success. Shanahan spoke of a multi-year process and how it takes time to get it right. His ‘win now’ actions don’t align with his ‘multi-year process’ words.

I said it about Vinny and I’m unfortunately going to have to say it about Shanahan. They needed to decide if they wanted to win now or win later. They tried to do both. This team doesn’t have the troops to do both. It was a lesson that Vinny never learned.

At best 2010 was a lost year, at worst, it may set this team back. I can’t say we’re worse off than we were in 2009, but that is only because the Cerrato/Zorn baseline was absurdly low.

And briefly, for those who wondered what I’d have done differently, I posted my alternative plan back before the season began. It was a better plan.

McNabb and Shanahan share a key similarity -- good performers who had a bad year. Shanahan gets the benefit of the doubt (McNabb won’t) and hopefully we’ll see a cohesive plan for 2011.

As for what happened on the field…

I’ll start with HC Shanahan. What a disappointment. Failure of second half adjustments, scapegoating the punter, benching McNabb vs DET, bringing Portis back too soon, etc. It seemed Shanahan was a step behind.

The 20 Minutes of Chaos® (end of the the Lions game and beginning of the iggle game) saw the Skins outscored 53-0 in just 20 minutes of football. Seriously. Giving up 53 points in 20 minutes? I’m guessing that had NEVER happened in NFL history.


I’m not a 3-4 advocate and wasn’t enamored of the switch. Both a 3-4 and 4-3 can succeed, but it was a painful conversion that created lots of new holes and it looks like there will be more pain to come. The 3-4 change is expensive, and even if the defense becomes good (as it was not long ago), I think it is a poor return on investment.

Regarding Albert and the 3-4. Many suggest Shanahan instigated the crisis by the switch and upsetting Albert. It’d be easy for me to add this to the list of Shanahan errors, but I never bought into the story that Albert’s issues were about the 3-4. If it wasn’t that excuse, he’d have come up with something else. Shanahan had a bad hand from the start. He played it badly, but the only legit criticism is that Shanny didn’t trade Albert when he had value.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 5, 2011 12:25 PM | Report abuse

ZEKE’S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES
Part 2

Over the course of the season, injuries took a major toll and Shanahan was forced to play replacements. It resulted in an unexpected youth movement, and a few guys made something of the opportunity. The only young guy that broke through this year AND that I’m confident will have key role next year is Armstrong. Health concerns kept me from adding Banks and Torain into that category. Bunches of guys showed enough to keep me interested, but not enough to lock down a significant role. Leichtensteiger, Montgomery, KWilliams, Anthony Bryant and Rob Jackson among them.

Call it a long shot, but I hope Haslett and Shanahan rethink the 3-4. Conventional thinking calls for big strong DEs and a massive NT (the hardest position to fill next to QB). But maybe there is a 3-4 variant where having Orakpo and Carter at DE will work. In that sort of approach, maybe the ILBs are the size of DEs or DTs. I’d encourage attempts at innovation. Jarmon and ‘Lo in the middle?

Some day, I’ll defend this point in more detail, but for now, I’ll just say it: Brian Orakpo belongs at DE. He is 1 of the top 3 talents I’ve seen playing defense in burgundy and gold in my life (DG28 and ST21 are the others). His talent is in the vicinity of ‘stone cold lock for HOF’ … but … only as a DE, not as an OLB. I’m not a fan of having a single talent determine a scheme unless the talent is off the charts. Orakpo as a DE, is off the charts. He is probably the best pass rusher among the tremendously talented group in the NFC East. Failure to fully utilize him to his best abilities and instead focus on a traditional scheme is a mistake. Of note, 4 NFC East players had double digit sacks. Orakpo (8.5) wasn’t one of them.

Some folks want to fix the DL first and a few posters up here made a very compelling case for it. Kudos to those posters. Your arguments we excellent -- to the point and I seriously considered changing my views. In the end, I couldn’t quite get on board. In part, because we have a HOF-quality DL guy already on our roster … but now I’m just twisting myself in knots.

Still, its breathtaking the drop-off in DL play. In 2009, we were 5th best in sack %, getting a sack on 7.4% of pass plays, overwhelmingly from the DL. In 2010, we had sacks on just 4.8% of pass attempts, 3rd worst. And the defense fell from 8th to 25th in rushing yds/attempt. In 2010, our DL simply wasn’t competitive.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 5, 2011 12:27 PM | Report abuse

ZEKE’S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES
Part 3

Even against these grim DL numbers, the OL continues to be the priority. Visually, the run game looked like it had signs of life in the latter part of the year, but the numbers didn’t agree. The amazing opening half vs Tampa got us to the league average in yds/attempt, but without that one half, we’d have been 24th. We were 28th in sacks and 31st in sack yards. The OL is the area we must invest in first. A strong OL can cover up a lot of shortcomings.

Shanahan likes lighter, faster OL guys because his run game is based on OL guys running east-west. Not a lot of demand for that, which would seem to give Shanahan an edge. The challenge is to get the lighter, quicker guy who can also pass protect. That is a tougher combo to find.

We play in a division with some very good DL guys, and those mismatches created problems for us. Vs the jints in week 17, our QB lost 2 fumbles and had several passes tipped. We see the jints guys twice a year, every year. Getting the OL up to speed is the key to competing in the division.

Our skill players on offense are mostly 2nd tier guys, not many threats to make the Pro Bowl here. Our QB going forward, Rex, is third tier, but I’m coming to the conclusion that he’s down on the list of things to fix because I don’t think the right guy at the right price out there. Plus Rex knows this system and I’ll concede there is something to that. But there is also an ugly side to a system that is apparently so hard to grasp.

Bottom line, 2010 was a wasted opportunity. The modest amount of rebuilding that took place was mostly by circumstance, less by design. We wasted the opportunity to offload talent that didn’t fit and devalued it. We gave up enough in draft picks to slow any rebuilding.

I’ve suggested Shanahan kick himself upstairs to full time team president and hire a HC. He is wearing too many hats. Some names to consider? Ron Rivera, Jim Harbaugh, Rob Ryan, Gregg Williams and Russ Grimm. Got it off my chest, and yes, I know, it isn’t going to happen.

For all the criticism I’ve leveled at Shanahan, his history buys him a 1 year pass. What do I hope to see in 2011? More wins would be nice, but mostly, I don’t want to see the mistakes of 2010 repeated. This offseason can’t be about winning in 2011. 2011 needs to be mostly about building for 2012 and 2013. Take the 2010 approach, trying to do 2 things … ‘win now’ and rebuild … and Shanahan runs the risk of becoming what all Skins fans would rightly despise … another Cerrato.

And that is a wrap on the season summary edition of ZEKE’S UNIQUE PERSPECTIVES, as always, brought to you by Yahoo!’s finest

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 5, 2011 12:28 PM | Report abuse


Should the Redskins rely on Luck?
By Matt McFarland


By Matt McFarland | January 5, 2011; 12:00 PM ET

If the Redskins get Luck I'd give up on the team because I couldn't stand to read all the headline about "Redskins Luck Out" or "Good Luck for the Redskins", etc. Gag.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 5, 2011 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Mallett has a gun and threw a number of nice passes. He has a bad habit of forcing throws into coverage when he gets pressured. I have seen him do it several times throughout the year. The only QB I would be interested in the 1st round is Luck. All these other guys have too many questions. DL or LB with the #10.

Posted by: ToddStinkston | January 5, 2011 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Rely on Luck for what?

You mean what skins will give up to move up? I don't know maybe do it ditka style and give up your entire draft. Who f_cken knows... the draft is a crap shoot. What I do know skins scouting dept. past decade til now sucks.

Posted by: bhoang888 | January 5, 2011 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Rely on Luck for what?

You mean what skins will give up to move up? I don't know maybe do it ditka style and give up your entire draft. Who f_cken knows... the draft is a crap shoot. What I do know skins scouting dept. past decade til now sucks.

Posted by: bhoang888 | January 5, 2011 12:29 PM | Report abuse

I've got a couple of gripes this morning:

--Michael Jackson is back in the news.

--Lebron has proclaimed his team the "Heatles". Does this guy know how F-ing idiotic he sounds? What a tool.

Posted by: smokeybear2 | January 5, 2011 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Last night's game showed the good and bad of Ryan Mallet. He has a good arm and can make impressive throws. However, he is a different QB under pressure. In a few years, he may be a very good QB in the pros but I don't think the Redskins have 3 - 5 years to wait on him to improve.

Posted by: will_ga | January 5, 2011 12:38 PM | Report abuse

If the Redskins get Luck I'd give up on the team because I couldn't stand to read all the headline about "Redskins Luck Out" or "Good Luck for the Redskins", etc. Gag.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 5, 2011 12:28 PM

Name change as part of the contract negotiations seems reasonable then...we can't lose beeps as a fan now can we.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 5, 2011 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Rather than trade up for Luck, trade down for Phil Taylor from Baylor in the first round.

SEA and MIA both want QB, and maybe MIN. GA should be able to work a deal with WAS 1st for their 1st and 2nd. Pick Baylor in 1st round, then OL and either ILB or BPA with the 2 second round picks.

Posted by: dpc2003 | January 5, 2011 12:40 PM | Report abuse

RedSkinHead,

I agree with your thoughts about improving the team posted an hour ago. My issue is whether Shanahan is the guy to do that.

Flounder,

Give me a list of the ALL-PRO talent he acquired. Pro Bowls are popularity contests and guys play there after injuries and other stuff take out the top talent - Jay Cutler.

I'll give you the fact that he hasn't wasted #1s in recent history like he did in the past.

Posted by: bangkokben | January 5, 2011 12:40 PM | Report abuse

NO MORE DRUNKEN DRAFT PICKS TRADES, PLEASE!!

Posted by: iubiquity | January 5, 2011 12:41 PM | Report abuse

I don't think the Redskins have 3 - 5 years to wait on him to improve.

Posted by: will_ga | January 5, 2011 12:38 PM

Win now baby! I like the way you think, will_ga. You've got the makings of a Redskins GM.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 5, 2011 12:42 PM | Report abuse

What I do know skins scouting dept. past decade til now sucks.

Posted by: bhoang888 |

I kinda doubt we know much about the scouting department. I'd lay money that Vinny always thought he knew better than whatever they said. I'm not sure Shanny is much different either, looking at the complaints about his drafting in Denver.

Posted by: SonofNero | January 5, 2011 12:47 PM | Report abuse

I found an SI story on Kaepernick. Guy threw a 94 MPH fastball in high school!

He was such a good pitcher that Nevada was the only D1 school to offer him a scholarship. Everybody else though he'd play baseball.

Posted by: dpc2003 | January 5, 2011 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Remember, JUST SAY NO to a QB in the first round.

To many other needs. Dline with 10. if you can trade down C and Dline with the two first picks.

If we can trade down and get Marvin Austin and one of the top 3 centers then well be headed in the right direction.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 5, 2011 12:53 PM | Report abuse

If they do draft him The Post is going to feel silly wasting that awesome "luck" pun so early in the game.

Posted by: mack1 | January 5, 2011 12:56 PM | Report abuse

dpc

Now, the guy to watch is playing Saturday: Kaepernick from Nevada....I haven't seen the guy play yet, but seems to fit the Joe Flacco mold.

How can any guy you've never seen fit any kind of mold you identify?

Kaepernick is an excellent athlete---and a bean pole at 6'6" 225 pounds.

We'd do well to tryout at receiver: yes, his hands and foot speed is that good.

I watched him in the Boise State v. Nevada game, and he set the house on fire.

But I wonder if he's an NFL quarterback, though.

And all the guys folks low rate in this forum--Locker, Mallett, Pryor, Newton--are the ones who are.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 5, 2011 12:57 PM | Report abuse

On the big picture front, 2010 didn’t accomplish whatever the plan intended it to accomplish.
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If you don't know what the plan was, then how can you say it wasn't accomplished?

I think this team is head and shoulders above where it was last year at this time, largely due to the financial situation. Few long term contracts, little guaranteed money.

Not to mention the attitude and culture has changed. Last year there was sniping between Portis and Campbell... this year players support whoever the starter is and man up to their own mistakes.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 5, 2011 1:00 PM | Report abuse

As I said on another board, it all depends on if the brain trust (Allen and Shanahan) feel he is a probable bona fide star and a good fit for the team. If yes, then you trade what you have to, to get him. Carolina may be willing to deal due to the high price tag of a #1 pick, and the plethora of quality QB's in the draft. However, if you think there are potential issues in his makeup, durability or fit for the team, then you can't take the chance of wasting a #1 pick on him. Instead you hold onto your picks and draft the guy you do like, Locker or maybe Newton, either of whom should still be there at #10. Or, you use this year's picks to fill other holes and go with Grossman, Bulger or "TBD" in 2011.

Posted by: jksesq1 | January 5, 2011 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Agree on DL at #10. Tony Dalton in second round maybe? Otherwise OL/NT/DE/LB

Posted by: skinswest | January 5, 2011 1:01 PM | Report abuse

I've got a couple of gripes this morning:

--Michael Jackson is back in the news.

--Lebron has proclaimed his team the "Heatles". Does this guy know how F-ing idiotic he sounds? What a tool.

Posted by: smokeybear2 | January 5, 2011 12:33 PM

Oh yeah, I've got one more gripe:

--this "hero" Conrad, or Conroy, Milloy is stirring the pot that the "Redskin" name should be changed as it is offensive.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/04/AR2011010405217.html

Posted by: smokeybear2 | January 5, 2011 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Beeps, that is what I am saying: draft a QB now, but lower round and let him take a couple of years to get better. Meanwhile, draft linemen and acquire a FA QB to hold the reins for a year or two.

If the QB doesn't pan out, then in 2014 take a QB in the first round. At that point, you'll have solidified the line play, and your first-rounder isn't running for his life or getting pounded into the ground like a tent peg.

This is what the Jets and Rams did: seems to be working. What Millen did in DET did not.

Posted by: dpc2003 | January 5, 2011 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Does it bear repeating that Mallet has only one thing going for him--a very strong arm which can be, can be at times, quite accurate. Otherwise, as shown last night, he falls into that QB category of leaden-feet bozos who don't stand a chance against the so-much quicker NFL defenses. By far he ain't Big Ben, Flacco or even P. Manning, other 6-6 QBs. Certainly he should be available when the Skins are up on the board. Is he worth the choice? An emphatic NO behind current OL. Fix that first, fill other gaping holes, and wait for later rounds for a QB there.

Posted by: iliwai34 | January 5, 2011 1:08 PM | Report abuse

how can 1 person, Lebron, be that unaware of how incredibly putrid a human being he makes himself out to be every time he opens his mouth.....there appears to be no low to which he wont sink....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 5, 2011 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dpc2003 | January 5, 2011 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Its a fairly common occurrence to have a college QB conflicted with pro baseball. Off the top of my head I know that Kyle Parker(clem) and Russel Wilson(ncst) both are mlb prospects, i think Wilson is actually affiliated w a pro team?
Dosent always work out football wise, see Pat White of the KC Royals.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 5, 2011 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Meant Andy Dalton. Don't know where I got Tony from.

Posted by: skinswest | January 5, 2011 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Ahhhhh, the annual rite of Spring -- discussing how the Redskins should trade up to get the sexiest quarterback in the draft. Who says the Redskins (and their fans) aren't consistent?

Posted by: disgruntledfan | January 5, 2011 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Just got a chance to read Captain Stats post from this morning. There were no actual stats in it, and it read like a negative parting shot from a bitter man. Maybe he can parlay that into an ESPN gig. Here's hoping he puts on forty pounds in the process, like JLC.

Posted by: NYPDee | January 5, 2011 1:13 PM | Report abuse

There is no way the Redskins should give up the farm for Luck. I believe the guy is the real deal, but for the rights to draft him, some team will give up a lot. The Redskins should focus on big guys and stay away from glamor picks this draft.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 5, 2011 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Just got a chance to read Captain Stats post from this morning. There were no actual stats in it, and it read like a negative parting shot from a bitter man. Maybe he can parlay that into an ESPN gig. Here's hoping he puts on forty pounds in the process, like JLC.

Posted by: NYPDee | January 5, 2011 1:13 PM |

You mean Jason LaCanOfSoda?

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 5, 2011 1:22 PM | Report abuse

No way in hell I would say this team is in worse shape under Shanahan...

I remember Clinton Portis and Albert Haynesworth had the direct ear of the owner.

I remember screaming at the television because Gibbs stuck with Brunell too long when he couldn't throw a 10 yard out.

I remember Portis taking himself in and out of th game at will.

I remember the draft picks for TJ Duckett, Jason Taylor, and Brandon Lloyd who also got a new contract.

I remember Adam Archuta was the highest paid safety in the history of the NFL.

I remember the back to back timeouts

I remember drafting Chad Rinehart, the only O-lineman drafted in 10 years.

Posted by: rickyroge | January 5, 2011 1:27 PM | Report abuse

True story: I've really missed the Z's perspectives.

On another note:

If they do draft him The Post is going to feel silly wasting that awesome "luck" pun so early in the game.

Posted by: mack1

Too damn funny and too true!


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beans, please.

Lebron James: Uber-jackass personified. How anyone can root for him or say that he's an okay dude is beyond me. Never ceases to amaze me how that as long as people are entertained they will totally overlook the deuchebaggery in a person. Again, I know this has been beat to death, but big difference between Kobe and Lebron: Kobe doesn't pretend to be an arrogant jerk, while the other goes around self-proclaiming that he's "King James", throws coaches under the bus, talks management into letting his homies ride the team plane and have them park in parking spaces that are usually reserved for the team.

Now and forever: F that f-ing clown!

Posted by: RedDMV | January 5, 2011 1:31 PM | Report abuse

how can 1 person, Lebron, be that unaware of how incredibly putrid a human being he makes himself out to be every time he opens his mouth.....there appears to be no low to which he wont sink....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 5, 2011 1:09 PM
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How can you ask that question when you got a taste of Vinny Cerrato for the last few years? Do you remember him saying he gave Zorn a playoff calibre roster at the beginning of 2009 season? The only person Vinny didn't throw under the bus was Snyder himself and even Vinny wasn't that stupid.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 5, 2011 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Given the redskins relative needs, their current draft position, and the supposed QB talent in this draft, it would be a massively missed opportunity to NOT go after a QB in round 1 here.

I'm as big of an advocate of building from the inside out as there is, but the skins have already laid the foundation of a cornerstone line with Williams, solidified the opposite end with brown (injuries hopefully notwithstanding) and acquired adequate youth and talent along the interior with Lichtensteiger and Montgomery to grow together as a unit. Despite the naysayers constant complaints, those two are developing well (if lichtensteigers name was devin Thomas and he had a 2nd round label next to the redskins draft board in 2008, people would be creaming themselves on here for how close he is to 'breaking out').

I can't argue with bolstering the defense, but this offense could be on the cusp with a young line, a young rb, up and coming depth and talent from the WR/TE position. A young QB should be brought in NOW to grow with these players. And we're in a prime spot to do it this year.

Posted by: psps23 | January 5, 2011 1:35 PM | Report abuse

red, you left out a HUGE difference, in Kobe vs LeFraud.....Kobe has actually WON...he's put Rings on his fingers, where as Lebrom has won everywhere he's been except for high school, and the pro's....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 5, 2011 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Now and forever: F that f-ing clown!

Posted by: RedDMV | January 5, 2011 1:31 PM |

Deuchbaggery is the greatest word in the history of the English language.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 5, 2011 1:36 PM | Report abuse

On the big picture front, 2010 didn’t accomplish whatever the plan intended it to accomplish.
---------------------------

If you don't know what the plan was, then how can you say it wasn't accomplished?

I think this team is head and shoulders above where it was last year at this time, largely due to the financial situation. Few long term contracts, little guaranteed money.

Not to mention the attitude and culture has changed. Last year there was sniping between Portis and Campbell... this year players support whoever the starter is and man up to their own mistakes.

Posted by: mattsoundworld

I'm sure Hunter Smith can tell you about the new culture of accountability. Notice any improvement with the P and K?

How much do we know about what the attitudes really are? Improved over fuster cluck of Zorn/Cerrato? Sure.

But would you be surprised if a bunch of players wondered if their jobs are at risk because daddy wanted to cover up for his son's mistakes?

fwiw, there are only a few basic directions a team can take. Win now, win later or try to do both. Any plan has to answer that basic question. The evidence overwhelmingly points to our trying to do both -- and not succeeding with either.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 5, 2011 1:36 PM | Report abuse

No way in hell I would say this team is in worse shape under Shanahan...

I remember Clinton Portis and Albert Haynesworth had the direct ear of the owner.

I remember screaming at the television because Gibbs stuck with Brunell too long when he couldn't throw a 10 yard out.

I remember Portis taking himself in and out of th game at will.

I remember the draft picks for TJ Duckett, Jason Taylor, and Brandon Lloyd who also got a new contract.

I remember Adam Archuta was the highest paid safety in the history of the NFL.

I remember the back to back timeouts

I remember drafting Chad Rinehart, the only O-lineman drafted in 10 years.

Posted by: rickyroge | January 5, 2011 1:27 PM
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You forgot to mention the swinging gate play. That's the all time low for the Redskins without equal.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 5, 2011 1:37 PM | Report abuse

ricky,

Don't forget we traded a 3rd for Brunell even though no other team wanted him and he was about to be released.

Don't forget we gave up a 1st, 3rd and 4th to move up for JC17 even though he was rated a late second round QB.

Don't forget we gave up a 4th and a second in 2007 to move up and get Rocky Mac.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 5, 2011 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Luck is no where as good as Cam Newton, but then MS and KS don't seem to want that type of QB, mobile and fluid. They are so caught up in MS system that every time MS moves his son head is stuck up in his dad's butt. C'mon Man!

Posted by: butche106 | January 5, 2011 1:39 PM | Report abuse

This is easy. You stay at 10 or trade back for another 2nd round pick.

Draft more O-linemen. Especially guard/center.

SIMPLE

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 5, 2011 1:40 PM | Report abuse

They are so caught up in MS system...

Posted by: butche106 | January 5, 2011 1:39 PM

This is so pig-headed to be caught up in an offensive system that has been consistently successful and given defenses problems. Time to look for something else.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 5, 2011 1:44 PM | Report abuse

ESPN had DC taking Locker at 10. I'd think about taking Mitch Mustain later. Looked pretty good when he played this year. Maybe he's Matt Cassel like?

Posted by: Realness1 | January 5, 2011 1:45 PM | Report abuse

It doesn't matter who we draft.

people are going to complain about it.

We draft who we draft and hope they are great.

We've had some good first rounders as of late: Taylor(RIP) Landry, Orakpo and Williams.

I trust we'll make a good choice.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 5, 2011 1:45 PM | Report abuse


This is easy. You stay at 10 or trade back for another 2nd round pick.

Draft more O-linemen. Especially guard/center.

SIMPLE

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 5, 2011 1:40 PM |
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simple to agree on

DRAFT O-LINE AND D-LINE

SAVE THE WHALES!!!!

Posted by: hessone | January 5, 2011 1:46 PM | Report abuse

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/andrew_perloff/01/05/2011-nfl-mock-draft/index.html?xid=cnnbin&hpt=Sbin

OK, its real early for a mock draft and its just 20 slots. 3 QBs are in there (all in the top 10). But more interesting is that there are 8 DL and just 1 OL forecast in the top 20.

Last year, there were 5 OL and 6 DL picked in the top 20.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 5, 2011 1:47 PM | Report abuse

RedSkinHead,

I agree with your thoughts about improving the team posted an hour ago. My issue is whether Shanahan is the guy to do that.

Posted by: bangkokben | January 5, 2011 12:40 PM
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That's a good question. Has anyone noticed besides me that the only assistant that routinely speaks to the media is Kyle Shanahan? I mean, every once in awhile you will hear from Haslett but not as often as you hear Kyle. My feeling is we are close to seeing Kyle Shanahan take over this team. I give him one more season as the son of the boss and then he gets to be the boss. The old man is grooming him for the job and without a doubt Kyle will have a say in this year's draft. I think as much as Kyle will want to draft a QB, he has a lot of faith in Grossman and knows the value of a strong offensive line.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 5, 2011 1:49 PM | Report abuse

That dude for Stanford that was playing both ways. Mercinci(sp) FB and LB that dude was legit. Gotta get some intelligent, high motor guys like that. Im thinking that bowl game helped his status.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 5, 2011 1:50 PM | Report abuse

This is easy. You stay at 10 or trade back for another 2nd round pick.

Draft more O-linemen. Especially guard/center.

SIMPLE

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 5, 2011 1:40 PM |
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simple to agree on

DRAFT O-LINE AND D-LINE

SAVE THE WHALES!!!!

Posted by: hessone | January 5, 2011 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Lets give rebirth to the Hogs.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 5, 2011 1:51 PM | Report abuse

This is going to be the best FA class in history. The lines and be bolstered there. QB cannot. QB in round one, everything else later in the draft or FA.

Posted by: psps23 | January 5, 2011 1:53 PM | Report abuse

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/andrew_perloff/01/05/2011-nfl-mock-draft/index.html?xid=cnnbin&hpt=Sbin

OK, its real early for a mock draft and its just 20 slots. 3 QBs are in there (all in the top 10). But more interesting is that there are 8 DL and just 1 OL forecast in the top 20.

Last year, there were 5 OL and 6 DL picked in the top 20.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 5, 2011 1:47 PM
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Waaaaay too early to speculate. Based on this list I would say Washington should trade down. I disagree that Shanahan likes Cam Newton. He likes scrambling quarterbacks but not quarterbacks that make that the focus of their game such as Vick or Young. He wants someone who can roll out without looking like a snail in a slug race. That could be any number of guys.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 5, 2011 1:54 PM | Report abuse


This is easy. You stay at 10 or trade back for another 2nd round pick.

Draft more O-linemen. Especially guard/center.

SIMPLE

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 5, 2011 1:40 PM |
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simple to agree on

DRAFT O-LINE AND D-LINE

SAVE THE WHALES!!!!

Posted by: hessone | January 5, 2011 1:46 PM
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Plan B is to send Morocco Brown to Japan to audition every sumo wrestler in the country as a prospective nose tackle...

Actually, the Redskins could pick a nose tackle first and I would be happy with that.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 5, 2011 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Bronco's to interview Gregg Williams....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 5, 2011 1:57 PM | Report abuse

One hundred and thirteen more days of this.

I guess I'll get to work on tweaking my weekly score prediction for next year.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 5, 2011 2:00 PM | Report abuse

This is going to be the best FA class in history. The lines and be bolstered there. QB cannot. QB in round one, everything else later in the draft or FA.

Posted by: psps23 | January 5, 2011 1:53 PM
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Good plan. Let's sign every 30-something broken down offensive lineman that other teams are willing to cast off and see how that works. Oh wait a minute. Deja vu.

Seriously, the biggest percentage of offensive linemen that will be in free agency are either guys who are too old/injury prone or young guys who are worse than what we have currently. Granted, we might see some young player with potential slip through the net and we'd be fools for not snatching them up, but I wouldn't bet my career on that plan.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 5, 2011 2:02 PM | Report abuse

If they do draft him The Post is going to feel silly wasting that awesome "luck" pun so early in the game.

Posted by: mack1 | January 5, 2011 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Oh, they'll just revisit that pun over and over and over again.

Where ever the kid ends up, the local rags will make that pun over and over again.

"X win the Super Bowl... With a Little Help From Luck"

When he's seen around town with a new girlfriend, the gossip columns will write: "Could She Be The Future Lady Luck?"

It'll be insufferable for the kid...

Posted by: JohnnyRyde | January 5, 2011 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Day One of free agency ... Skins QB = Peyton Manning. So let it be written, so let it be done. Or Vick. Draft someone tall in a later round.

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2011 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Bronco's to interview Gregg Williams....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

kinda wish we'd do the same ....

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 5, 2011 2:06 PM | Report abuse

day one of free agency, I hope brings VJax, Mankins, and Kalil....anything short will be disappointing to me...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 5, 2011 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Bronco's to interview Gregg Williams....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 5, 2011 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Somewhere Elvis Dumervil is sporting a big smile.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 5, 2011 2:07 PM | Report abuse

One hundred and thirteen more days of this.

I guess I'll get to work on tweaking my weekly score prediction for next year.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 5, 2011 2:00 PM
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I've always thought prognosticators don't give enough consideration to safeties. Don't forget to throw in a couple of four and five point games, okay?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 5, 2011 2:07 PM | Report abuse

day one of free agency, I hope brings VJax, Mankins, and Kalil....anything short will be disappointing to me...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 5, 2011 2:06 PM
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Just curious. Did you wake up with a tiger in your bathroom this morning?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 5, 2011 2:10 PM | Report abuse

More free agents ... starting with Haloti Ngata at NT.

At OLB, either LaMarr Woodley or D'Qwell Jackson. Somebody who already does 3-4.

Instead of over-the-hill, veteran expensive free agents, Skins should focus on prime age, first post-rookie contract expensive free agents.

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2011 2:11 PM | Report abuse

tigers love pepper....they hate cinammon

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 5, 2011 2:11 PM | Report abuse

No one player is going to fix this team. They need MORE draft picks, not HIGHER draft picks. They need to trade down.

Posted by: wahoo2x | January 5, 2011 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Waaaaay too early to speculate. Based on this list I would say Washington should trade down. I disagree that Shanahan likes Cam Newton. He likes scrambling quarterbacks but not quarterbacks that make that the focus of their game such as Vick or Young. He wants someone who can roll out without looking like a snail in a slug race. That could be any number of guys.

Posted by: RedSkinHead |

pretty much agree. Haven't seen Newton play ... and even if I did, pretty sure I wouldn't know enough to make a qualified judgment.

I find it hard to believe that this draft class has only 1 OL guy worthy of being top 20. Since its usually LT that are at a premium, I'd be OK trading down, since our interior OL is in serious need of work.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 5, 2011 2:14 PM | Report abuse


One hundred and thirteen more days of this.

I guess I'll get to work on tweaking my weekly score prediction for next year.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 5, 2011 2:00 PM |
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redskins 24

opponent 0

Posted by: hessone | January 5, 2011 2:15 PM | Report abuse

The reason this is the most coveted FA class in history is not because of "broken down 30 year olds" but because the class of 2005 and 2006 never got a shot at FA. There will be a lot of prime talent hitting the market looking for a second contract, like Logan mankins, Carl nicks, Harvey Dahl, Tyson clabo, and davin Joseph.

Regardless, I don't really care about the oline. The oline is fine already, and they will only get better. Should brown not leave in free agency, I'd put money on it that you'll see the same starting 5 here next season. And it isnt because shanahan neglects the offensive line; Shanahan knows the biggest deficiency isn't at the line right now. He'll go for a QB in round 1. And he'd be absolutely accurate (whether or not he selects the proper QB is another question).

Posted by: psps23 | January 5, 2011 2:16 PM | Report abuse

day one of free agency, I hope brings VJax, Mankins, and Kalil....anything short will be disappointing to me...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 5, 2011 2:06 PM

What? You want a WR? I guess since we didn't trade for Boldin ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 5, 2011 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Andy Dalton = Colt Brennan

Posted by: filmchis | January 5, 2011 2:18 PM | Report abuse

z, time to let it go...seriously...let it go...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 5, 2011 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, the biggest percentage of offensive linemen that will be in free agency are either guys who are too old/injury prone or young guys who are worse than what we have currently. ...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 5, 2011 2:02 PM

Normally, that is accurate, but this year is not normal because last season's UFA class was not allowed to become UFA (like Rogers and McIntosh). This year is going to allow for a bumper crop harvest. Much bigger class than usual.

On O-line, my fave guard is from Atlanta (the team with the third fewest sacks allowed ... Indy and NYG have fewer ... such a shame about the latter), Harvey Dahl. He's 29 and nasty.

Re-sign Jammal Brown ASAP.

Mankins falls into the dreaded "over 30" age range. Kalil works for me age-wise, but didn't work so well for Matt Moore/Jimmy Clausen (no QBs sacked more often except Cutler).

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2011 2:20 PM | Report abuse


day one of free agency, I hope brings VJax, Mankins, and Kalil....anything short will be disappointing to me...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 5, 2011 2:06 PM |
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same philosophy for the last decade and look were it's gotten us. build from within thru the draft. it'd be nice if other teams wanted our fa players for a change

Posted by: hessone | January 5, 2011 2:20 PM | Report abuse

What do tigers dream of when they take their little tiger snooze? Do they dream of mauling zebras, or Halle Berry in her Catwoman suit?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 5, 2011 2:20 PM | Report abuse

I've always thought prognosticators don't give enough consideration to safeties. Don't forget to throw in a couple of four and five point games, okay?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 5, 2011 2:07 PM

Don't confuse me RSH...I just had the perfect prediction in my head...and now I lost it.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 5, 2011 2:21 PM | Report abuse

BeantownGreg1

Bronco's to interview Gregg Williams....

It would be the best hire they could make.

Then, what becomes of Kyle Orton?

Taking Orton or a guy like GB's Matt Flynn would be smart for us as we could get a young, seasond guy and not use a pick on a quarterback.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 5, 2011 2:21 PM | Report abuse

SAVE THE WHALES!!!!

Posted by: hessone | January 5, 2011 1:46 PM

What's with the saving the whales crap, did hess pork a fat chick last night or something?

Posted by: monk811 | January 5, 2011 2:21 PM | Report abuse

z, time to let it go...seriously...let it go...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

kinda like you did with Antonio Pierce?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 5, 2011 2:24 PM | Report abuse

SAVE THE WHALES!!!!

Posted by: hessone | January 5, 2011 1:46 PM

What's with the saving the whales crap, did hess pork a fat chick last night or something?

Posted by: monk811 | January 5, 2011 2:21 PM |

I thought Shelly Smith was sick or something.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 5, 2011 2:25 PM | Report abuse

psps23--- January 5, 2011 2:16 PM

Excellent post, sir.

Someone needs to school these people.

A lot of the FA who are about to hit the market are well under 27--just at the age you'd really want them.

A FA center and guard and free safety is where we should start.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 5, 2011 2:25 PM | Report abuse

I've always thought prognosticators don't give enough consideration to safeties. Don't forget to throw in a couple of four and five point games, okay?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 5, 2011 2:07 PM

Don't confuse me RSH...I just had the perfect prediction in my head...and now I lost it.

Posted by: PlayAction | January 5, 2011 2:21 PM
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I frankly don't think you can go wrong with using pi in some of your score calculations. For instance, the score could be 27 to pi.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 5, 2011 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Also, Skins need a center ... someone who doesn't step on the QB's dancing foot.

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2011 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Kalil works for me age-wise, but didn't work so well for Matt Moore/Jimmy Clausen (no QBs sacked more often except Cutler).

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2011 2:20 PM
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I think he would fit in well with Washington's current crew. Put him beside Lichtensteiger and they could be french doors.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 5, 2011 2:28 PM | Report abuse

mankins wont be 30 until March 2012........

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 5, 2011 2:30 PM | Report abuse

did hess pork a fat chick last night or something?

Posted by: monk811 | January 5, 2011 2:21 PM

He don't "pork a fat chick." He harpooned her.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 5, 2011 2:31 PM | Report abuse

A bunch of QBs from this list will change teams for next year.

Alex Smith
Troy Smith
McNabb
VY
kitna
kolb
Shaun Hill
Matt Moore
Carson Palmer
Kyle Orton
Delhomme
Seneca Wallace
Stanton
Chad Henne
Matt Hasslebeck
Byron Leftwich

Most won't get a starting gig and I think Rex has the job in DC unless Shanny drafts a QB.

Two under the radar guys that I think could do well ... Shaun Hill, Seneca Wallace. The guy most likely a team will overpay to get in a trade? kevin kolb

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 5, 2011 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Bronco's to interview Gregg Williams....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

kinda wish we'd do the same ....

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 5, 2011 2:06 PM

We did. We spent a couple of days interviewing him.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 5, 2011 2:33 PM | Report abuse


He don't "pork a fat chick." He harpooned her.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 5, 2011 2:31 PM |
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first things first, gotta have a harpoon, not a hangnail

Posted by: hessone | January 5, 2011 2:34 PM | Report abuse

redskinhead

...the biggest percentage of offensive linemen that will be in free agency are either guys who are too old/injury prone or young guys who are worse than what we have currently...


Errr.....no.

Logan Mankins is hardly old and broken down.

Carl Nicks is a big guard who blocks for Drew Brees.

Ryan Kalil blocks on one of the league's better run-blocking o-lines in Carolina.

These guys are all young.

Why spend the same money on a rookie who has to prove himself when you can get a vet 3-4 years older who already has?

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 5, 2011 2:34 PM | Report abuse

pft is reporting that Palmer will return to the bengals....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 5, 2011 2:37 PM | Report abuse

same philosophy for the last decade and look were it's gotten us. build from within thru the draft. it'd be nice if other teams wanted our fa players for a change

Posted by: hessone | January 5, 2011 2:20 PM

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You mean like Fred Smoot, Antonio Pearce, Ryan Clark, Derrick Dockery?

We've had good players that other teams coveted before. In fact, since it's a copy-cat league, many teams try an emulate what the Patriots or the Steelers do.

The Patriots didn't really start winning until...take a wild guess. Teams go through winning AND losing cycles with the same owner. It's the players you have that make your team good.

Please allow me to blow your mind, He$$one, by you answering one simple question.

Is Snyder the reason we were losing between '91-'99?

Posted by: Vicc | January 5, 2011 2:39 PM | Report abuse

redskinhead

...the biggest percentage of offensive linemen that will be in free agency are either guys who are too old/injury prone or young guys who are worse than what we have currently...

Errr.....no.

Logan Mankins is hardly old and broken down.

Carl Nicks is a big guard who blocks for Drew Brees.

Ryan Kalil blocks on one of the league's better run-blocking o-lines in Carolina.

These guys are all young.

Why spend the same money on a rookie who has to prove himself when you can get a vet 3-4 years older who already has?

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 5, 2011 2:34 PM
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Moe, what I was saying is any guy worth his salt will be re-signed before he is allowed to test the market. Those you mentioned will definitely be locked up long before they are able to test the market. Just because they could become free agents doesn't mean they will become free agents.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 5, 2011 2:40 PM | Report abuse

The oline is fine already, and they will only get better. Should brown not leave in free agency, I'd put money on it that you'll see the same starting 5 here next season. And it isnt because shanahan neglects the offensive line; Shanahan knows the biggest deficiency isn't at the line right now. He'll go for a QB in round 1. And he'd be absolutely accurate (whether or not he selects the proper QB is another question).

Posted by: psps23 | January 5, 2011 2:16 PM | Report abuse
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The line, statistically last in just about every measurable, is 'fine already'?
The line, with a 33 year old Center, is 'fine already'?
This line, with a couple of journeymen Guards, is 'fine already'?

Wow.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 5, 2011 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Bronco's to interview Gregg Williams....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

kinda wish we'd do the same ....

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 5, 2011 2:06 PM

We did. We spent a couple of days interviewing him.

Posted by: beep-beep

and ultimately decided that Jim Zorn was the better guy for the job. Hope the guy that made that call is gone ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 5, 2011 2:40 PM | Report abuse

After Jeff George, Ryan Leaf, Jamarcus Russell and Vince Young, I don't know how you can ignore the character issues. Those guys have (in the words of Nuke Laloosh) "million dollar arms and ten-cent heads". No thanks to Cam Newton.

Mallett was and is clumsy. Not sure there is a solution for that. He's probably more like Mark Rypien than Joe Flacco. No thanks.

Locker had a lousy senior season. He'll have to impress at the combine to move into the first round.

Luck is the crown jewel, but is he worth what it would take to trade up to first? Is GA this decade's Mike Ditka?

If he's Payton Manning, yes. Eli Manning, no.

I am convinced that the Redskins should draft DL, OL and LB, and take a QB prospect in the 3-4th round.

Posted by: dpc2003 | January 5, 2011 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Oh yeah, I've got one more gripe:

--this "hero" Conrad, or Conroy, Milloy is stirring the pot that the "Redskin" name should be changed as it is offensive.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/04/AR2011010405217.html

Posted by: smokeybear2 | January 5, 2011 1:02 PM | Report abuse


Its funny this guy went to the mueseum and now wants nothing to say or have indians on it. Eff this guy

Posted by: SAK2 | January 5, 2011 2:42 PM | Report abuse

"Regardless, I don't really care about the oline. The oline is fine already"


(Smashing my face into my desk repeatedly to get the bad voices out)

Posted by: Stu27 | January 5, 2011 2:43 PM | Report abuse

He's such an ass though. Everytime he opens his mouth the state of Ohio collectively winces.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 5, 2011 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Scamp, good to know you speak for the entire state! I'm not defending he kid on a character level - he clearly has some issues that need to be addressed - but I have quite a few friends from OH that know alot about Buckeye football and think he's a decent kid. I think him getting suspended and Newtown walking scot free is a total joke. In any event, I'd like to get Pryor - even if he doesn't make it as a QB, he will be a stud WR. If he declares (I think it's 50-50 right now), I'd invest a 3rd round pick in him...assuming the secondary compensation for Mcnabb becomes a 4th

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 5, 2011 11:34 AM | Report abuse

First off I think that it was pretty obvious I was speaking in hyperbole...you know, exaggerating for effect? Of course I don't speak for all of Ohio. 2nd, Ohio State fans think the sun rises and falls on all things Ohio State. I wouldn't put too much stock in what one of their fans think of anything having to do with their team or school. If Satan himself was their coach they would follow him into the fiery pits of hell. 3rd, I don't think he's an ass for selling his stuff, I think he's an ass for the things that he says. I'll let you do your own research as to what those things are.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 5, 2011 2:43 PM | Report abuse

You guys that want to take a QB are probably the same guys that wanted Clausen in the first round last year. Let me repeat the same crap the rest of us said last year....

Just because you take a QB in the first round doesn't mean he's first round talent.

This is exactly what we did with Jason Campbell. There's only one QB this year that should go in the first round and that's Luck. The rest should fall to the second or later. They won't fall to the second though because a bunch of stupid teams will overpay for them. Let's not be one of those stupid teams.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 5, 2011 2:43 PM | Report abuse

I'm sorry. Luck is not that good. I wouldn't give up more than a 3rd round pick for him. The offense needs a coordinated and effective offensive line that will minimize quarterback sacks and hurries. While Grossman is NOT the long term answer, he is effective when he isn't rushed. I don't see a rookie being any answer right now.

The team needs so much more than a quarterback. It needs a true nose tackle, a couple of corners and a real safety not to mention a running back that scares people. A good running game will put Grossman in a better situation with play action passing.

No to Luck. Only fantasy people and idiots would think he's the answer.

Posted by: laserwizard | January 5, 2011 2:44 PM | Report abuse

I'm sorry. Luck is not that good. I wouldn't give up more than a 3rd round pick for him. The offense needs a coordinated and effective offensive line that will minimize quarterback sacks and hurries. While Grossman is NOT the long term answer, he is effective when he isn't rushed. I don't see a rookie being any answer right now.

The team needs so much more than a quarterback. It needs a true nose tackle, a couple of corners and a real safety not to mention a running back that scares people. A good running game will put Grossman in a better situation with play action passing.

No to Luck. Only fantasy people and idiots would think he's the answer.

Posted by: laserwizard | January 5, 2011 2:44 PM | Report abuse

I am convinced that the Redskins should draft DL, OL and LB, and take a QB prospect in the 3-4th round.

Posted by: dpc2003 | January 5, 2011 2:41 PM

Where do you suggest we get one of those? You know, 3rd or 4th round pick?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 5, 2011 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 5, 2011 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Mankins and the pats aint dancing anymore, to much mistrust. They are done. He will be on a new team. I really really hope its us.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 5, 2011 2:48 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest1

A bunch of QBs from this list will change teams for next year.

Jon Kitna
Kevin Kolb
Shaun Hill
Carson Palmer
Kyle Orton
Drew Stanton
Chad Henne
Matt Flynn

That's my list.

What you have to remember, though, is that this is a quarterback heavy draft.

Too, many teams might release guys feeling the upside from a younger player they can develope at a lower cost beats having the 5 year vet.


Posted by: MistaMoe | January 5, 2011 2:49 PM | Report abuse

I frankly don't think you can go wrong with using pi in some of your score calculations. For instance, the score could be 27 to pi.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 5, 2011 2:26 PM

So use pi? Divide by pi? Or multiply by pi? Anyway I crunch the numbers I come up with fractions...that can't be good...I'll go 0 and 16...just like this year!

Posted by: PlayAction | January 5, 2011 2:49 PM | Report abuse

I am convinced that the Redskins should draft DL, OL and LB, and take a QB prospect in the 3-4th round.

Posted by: dpc2003 | January 5, 2011 2:41 PM

Where do you suggest we get one of those? You know, 3rd or 4th round pick?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 5, 2011 2:46 PM | Report abuse
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From trading Cooley, nummy!

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 5, 2011 2:50 PM | Report abuse

I'm sorry. Luck is not that good. I wouldn't give up more than a 3rd round pick for him.

Posted by: laserwizard |

OK... but I doubt you can find an NFL professional that shares that opinion.

I liked what I saw from Luck. The Orange Bowl is the only college FB game I've seen this year... Luck reminded me of Aaron Rodgers. But did you see the time he had to throw? And the size of the holes for the RBs? There is plenty to like with Luck, but I'd carefully eyeball those OL guys. They dominated VT.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 5, 2011 2:51 PM | Report abuse

I am convinced that the Redskins should draft DL, OL and LB, and take a QB prospect in the 3-4th round.

Posted by: dpc2003 | January 5, 2011 2:41 PM

Where do you suggest we get one of those? You know, 3rd or 4th round pick?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 5, 2011 2:46 PM
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You missed the part of the plan entitled "and then a miracle happens" - had to do with trading Haynesworth, Carter, McNabb and one of the big screens at FedEx for picks...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 5, 2011 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | January 5, 2011 2:51 PM | Report abuse

A FA center and guard and free safety is where we should start.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 5, 2011 2:25 PM

Eric Weddle/SD? Tanard Jackson/TB?

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2011 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Yes, the line that was 10th in the NFL in YPC for our starting RB (better than 22 other teams) is fine already. The line that had to protect for the 4th most dropbacks in the NFL for one of the most aggressive schemes in the NFL and allowed the 4th most sacks (therefore, perfectly average) is fine already. Given the youth, inexperience, instability among other offensive personnel, and potential for improvement, this line is fine already.

I'm not saying it's dominant, but there are much, much bigger issues than the oline for this team. Collectively, it might be the third best unit on the team behind only TEs and a 100 percent healthy secondary.

Posted by: psps23 | January 5, 2011 2:53 PM | Report abuse

"They dominated VT."

Well yeah but i mean come on those Dukes are a touch bunch to stop.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 5, 2011 2:55 PM | Report abuse

redskinhead

...what I was saying is any guy worth his salt will be re-signed before he is allowed to test the market.


Actually, I'd say that the labor issue is our real enemy.

If Mankins can't get paid by the Pats--and he's very good--how can you insure the other guys will so easily?

We'll find two linemen in FA--trust me--who are good.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 5, 2011 2:57 PM | Report abuse

I really hope Luck stays in school this year.

Then we will know how good he really is. If he can enter the draft next year and still be the #1 pick, then he's legit. Like Sam.

Sam Bradford was clearly the best QB prospect to come out in years. This guy was supposed to be the #1 pick two years ago, came back, injured his throwing arm, and still got drafted #1 in one of the most talented drafts in awhile.

Unreal. I can't think of any other college player who should have been the #1 pick, stayed in school, got injured and was still the #1 pick. Can't do it.

Any team wanting to draft Bradford had to watch his 2008 highlights to evaluate him for crissakes.

Posted by: Vicc | January 5, 2011 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Where do you suggest we get one of those? You know, 3rd or 4th round pick?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 5, 2011 2:46 PM | Report abuse

These things are a dime a dozen. You trade next year's second round pick for a fourth rounder this year.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 5, 2011 2:59 PM | Report abuse

if we trade up i quit

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | January 5, 2011 2:59 PM | Report abuse

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You missed the part of the plan entitled "and then a miracle happens" - had to do with trading Haynesworth, Carter, McNabb and one of the big screens at FedEx for picks...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 5, 2011 2:51 PM |

You know, it may not be so far fetched. Hear me out. The Williams wall in Minnesota is expected to break up in free agency. Might be able to package all those guys together to get something from Minny. Pipe dream? Maybe...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 5, 2011 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Yes, the line that was 10th in the NFL in YPC for our starting RB (better than 22 other teams) is fine already. The line that had to protect for the 4th most dropbacks in the NFL for one of the most aggressive schemes in the NFL and allowed the 4th most sacks (therefore, perfectly average) is fine already. Given the youth, inexperience, instability among other offensive personnel, and potential for improvement, this line is fine already.

I'm not saying it's dominant, but there are much, much bigger issues than the oline for this team. Collectively, it might be the third best unit on the team behind only TEs and a 100 percent healthy secondary.

Posted by: psps23 | January 5, 2011 2:53 PM
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The Texans don't have the NFL's best line and ran the same offense as Washington this year. They gave up 14 fewer sacks so your argument doesn't hold water. If you are saying we had the 4th most dropbacks because at times we couldn't run this year, then doesn't that also fall on the offensive line? I know you will not admit it, but this offensive line is bad. It needs to improve a bunch. Take another puff on your crack pipe and tell us again how the Redskins need to take another QB, but lay off the hard stuff that is making your glasses all rose colored.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 5, 2011 3:01 PM | Report abuse

A bunch of QBs from this list will change teams for next year.

Jon Kitna
Kevin Kolb
Shaun Hill
Carson Palmer
Kyle Orton
Drew Stanton
Chad Henne
Matt Flynn

That's my list.

What you have to remember, though, is that this is a quarterback heavy draft.

Too, many teams might release guys feeling the upside from a younger player they can develope at a lower cost beats having the 5 year vet.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 5, 2011 2:49 PM

From that list, I choose Matt Flynn. The fella has a future ... frankly, I'd take Joe Webb too.

Also, I would trade DeAngelo Hall. He has a ton of value, esp. after the quadruple pick day on Cutler and the Pro Bowl. The still whiffs on too many tackles. Like Cutler, I'd still throw to him. All flash in my book. Not solid. Find a gullible trading partner.

Re-sign Rogers. He is who he is and he covers and tackles well. If he could catch, he'd be a receiver. Need to get over that. After his ONE recent pick, I say that he is trending in the right direction ...

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2011 3:04 PM | Report abuse

These things are a dime a dozen. You trade next year's second round pick for a fourth rounder this year.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 5, 2011 2:59 PM

HA!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 5, 2011 3:04 PM | Report abuse

...and take a QB prospect in the 3-4th round.


This might be good.

But who?

I'd want a guy who can move and adjust with good mechanics should pressure get in his face--that was the real difference between Mallett/Pryor last night.

(Look at how defensve fronts slow up and wait to see what Vick is really going to do; that gives him time to read the field).

Given the way NFL defense are, a guy has to be Astaire-like on his feet while avoiding the rush and looking downfield.

His scramble should be enough of a threat that it effects blitz pressure.

That's Newton/Luck/Locker: and one of them can be had at 10, round 1.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 5, 2011 3:05 PM | Report abuse

I really hope Luck stays in school this year.

Then we will know how good he really is. If he can enter the draft next year and still be the #1 pick, then he's legit. Like Sam.

Sam Bradford was clearly the best QB prospect to come out in years. This guy was supposed to be the #1 pick two years ago, came back, injured his throwing arm, and still got drafted #1 in one of the most talented drafts in awhile.

Unreal. I can't think of any other college player who should have been the #1 pick, stayed in school, got injured and was still the #1 pick. Can't do it.

Any team wanting to draft Bradford had to watch his 2008 highlights to evaluate him for crissakes.

Posted by: Vicc | January 5, 2011 2:58 PM |

Hands down the dumbest thing I've heard all season.

With the way the league wants to put a damper on the ever-increasing signing bonuses for rookies AND the prospect of turning down 50+million in guaranteed bucks AND that he'd always be able to finish his degree AND that his stock has nowhere to go but down, he almost has no sensible choice but to go now.

He will announce on the 14th and he's keeping his mouth shut right now because his HC is considering other jobs.

Book it and bet the house.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 5, 2011 3:06 PM | Report abuse


Please allow me to blow your mind, He$$one, by you answering one simple question.

Is Snyder the reason we were losing between '91-'99?

Posted by: Vicc | January 5, 2011 2:39 PM |
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nope, he's not

are you comparing snyder and the cooke's ?

sounds like it to me.

correct me if I'm wrong, but since the cooke's don't own the team, I'll stick with the 21st century and talk about doing things different than we have the past decade, and I'll let you keep score

Posted by: hessone | January 5, 2011 3:07 PM | Report abuse

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You missed the part of the plan entitled "and then a miracle happens" - had to do with trading Haynesworth, Carter, McNabb and one of the big screens at FedEx for picks...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 5, 2011 2:51 PM |

You know, it may not be so far fetched. Hear me out. The Williams wall in Minnesota is expected to break up in free agency. Might be able to package all those guys together to get something from Minny. Pipe dream? Maybe...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 5, 2011 3:00 PM
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I think the burden of the contracts would get in the way of that happening. Doesn't McNabb's contract include something like a $10m option? Haynesworth's contract would be about another $10m? Maybe they would take one of them, but can't see them taking the whole package, and I can't see teams giving up much for those guys since the team is expected to chop them.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 5, 2011 3:07 PM | Report abuse

if we trade up i quit

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | January 5, 2011 2:59 PM

This type of thinking has been threatened up here innumerable times before. I can't see it happening. If we trade up, you will purchase a replica jersey. NO SOUP FOR YOU!

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2011 3:09 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins can trade down in the first round to get picks in the lower round(s).

Should have explained it: there are at least 2 teams who draft below WAS who probably want a QB. SEA and MIA: one of those will probably trade up, since Luck is going #1 to CAR, and SF might also pick QB.

So they can trade down a couple of spots and pick up 3/4 round pick(s).

In the first round, pick a NT. If you're going to play the 3-4 you need a good one.

Posted by: dpc2003 | January 5, 2011 3:10 PM | Report abuse

I really hope Luck stays in school this year.

So does Cam Newton's agent and father.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 5, 2011 3:11 PM | Report abuse

I think the burden of the contracts would get in the way of that happening. Doesn't McNabb's contract include something like a $10m option? Haynesworth's contract would be about another $10m? Maybe they would take one of them, but can't see them taking the whole package, and I can't see teams giving up much for those guys since the team is expecerted to chop them.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 5, 2011 3:07 PM |

McScabb's contract is around $12.5 total. Albert's is only around $5.2. If you package all three you may get 1 decent pick for the bunch. Hayney and Carter alone is worth it. That's half a rebuilt line. Could you imagine Hayney, one of the Williamses, Carter, and Allen? That'd be pretty good.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 5, 2011 3:12 PM | Report abuse

But who?

I'd want a guy who can move and adjust with good mechanics should pressure get in his face--that was the real difference between Mallett/Pryor last night.

I dont believe Ricky Stanzas name has been tossed in the hat yet sooo. what about ricky Stanza.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 5, 2011 3:12 PM | Report abuse

We replaced our best linemen (Chris Samuels) with now our best linemen (Trent Williams). We also replaced two gaurds with two centers and we sent our 3rd and 4th round picks for 2011 on a qb and right tackle that likely won't be on the team.

No the o-line is not better and believing that the guy making the decisions in on to something because he won a couple of Super Bowls back in the day is purely hopeful and not based on the guys recent track record.

Mike Shanahan can coach but he is his own worst enemy. He overrates his own coaching when it comes to personnel decisions.

Posted by: bangkokben | January 5, 2011 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Hands down the dumbest thing I've heard all season.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 5, 2011 3:06 PM
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Then you don't read your own posts. I can remember at least five of them that were much dumber than what Vicc posted.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 5, 2011 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Need to get over that. After his ONE recent pick, I say that he is trending in the right direction ...

the rest of his 6 year career, apart from that one game you're speaking of says otherwise....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 5, 2011 3:15 PM | Report abuse

psps, I like how you're sticking to your guns about the O-line. I think you're out of ammo, but I appreciate you sticking with the guns.

Skins weren't the most sacked team (something like 4th or 5th), but they took the second most QB hits. The running game seems like it works with the guys running the "scheme" to open the hole at the first level b/c Torain can break the second level. Its the pass protection that is a problem.

In that last game, Trent Williams in particular seemed particularly bad in the standing still straight-legged pass block. Admittedly, Urineyuma is a beast who can sack at will, but there were games last year when Heyer was better in pass protetion than Williams was this year.

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2011 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Hands down the dumbest thing I've heard all season.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 5, 2011 3:06 PM
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Then you don't read your own posts. I can remember at least five of them that were much dumber than what Vicc posted.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 5, 2011 3:15 PM |

You can remember at least 5 of my posts?

That makes one of us.

Thanks for the respect though dooshbag.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 5, 2011 3:18 PM | Report abuse

I think the burden of the contracts would get in the way of that happening. Doesn't McNabb's contract include something like a $10m option? Haynesworth's contract would be about another $10m? Maybe they would take one of them, but can't see them taking the whole package, and I can't see teams giving up much for those guys since the team is expecerted to chop them.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 5, 2011 3:07 PM |

McScabb's contract is around $12.5 total. Albert's is only around $5.2. If you package all three you may get 1 decent pick for the bunch. Hayney and Carter alone is worth it. That's half a rebuilt line. Could you imagine Hayney, one of the Williamses, Carter, and Allen? That'd be pretty good.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 5, 2011 3:12 PM
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Yeah, and Minnesota runs the 4-3 defense. Okay, maybe not too far-fetched.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 5, 2011 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Good plan. Let's sign every 30-something broken down offensive lineman that other teams are willing to cast off and see how that works. Oh wait a minute. Deja vu.

Seriously, the biggest percentage of offensive linemen that will be in free agency are either guys who are too old/injury prone or young guys who are worse than what we have currently. Granted, we might see some young player with potential slip through the net and we'd be fools for not snatching them up, but I wouldn't bet my career on that plan.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 5, 2011 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Not what I'm hearing, RSH. I think we'll be able to sign several top-notch FA's, use our starters as backups. Guys like Ryan Kalil, C, not yet 26, from Carolina.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 5, 2011 3:19 PM | Report abuse

nope, he's not

are you comparing snyder and the cooke's ?

sounds like it to me.

correct me if I'm wrong, but since the cooke's don't own the team, I'll stick with the 21st century and talk about doing things different than we have the past decade, and I'll let you keep score

Posted by: hessone | January 5, 2011 3:07 PM

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What score? You say Snyder is the reason we keep losing right? If we had a different owner we wouldn't suck right? You are the same hessone who posts boycott Snyder right?

And P_F. Wishing someone will stay in college is not the dumbest thing you've heard all year. I haven't seen NoPuntIntended for awhile, but I'm sure some of his postings would satisfy the requirements.

If Luck is good, he will get paid.

Posted by: Vicc | January 5, 2011 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Hands down the dumbest thing I've heard all season.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 5, 2011 3:06 PM
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Then you don't read your own posts. I can remember at least five of them that were much dumber than what Vicc posted.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 5, 2011 3:15 PM |

You can remember at least 5 of my posts?

That makes one of us.

Thanks for the respect though dooshbag.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 5, 2011 3:18 PM
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Yeah, I find it easy to remember someone so full of crap. I don't know why - it's just one of those things.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 5, 2011 3:22 PM | Report abuse

RSH, with all due respect, I'd like to think that I own at least two of the dumbest.

If you need a demonstration, I will not shed a tear if they switch sides with Jammal Brown and Trent Williams. Skins still have to face the Oominyana and Ware twice a year each.

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2011 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Stu27

...don't believe Ricky Stanza's name has been tossed in the hat yet so.


Iowa's Rick Stanzi might be the best round late round 2-3-4 pick.

He comes from an excellent NFL-type program.

He is a multiple year starter.

Thing is, has he shown the ability to win big games with his arm?

That's what makes a guy a top notch NFL quarterback.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 5, 2011 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Good plan. Let's sign every 30-something broken down offensive lineman that other teams are willing to cast off and see how that works. Oh wait a minute. Deja vu.

Seriously, the biggest percentage of offensive linemen that will be in free agency are either guys who are too old/injury prone or young guys who are worse than what we have currently. Granted, we might see some young player with potential slip through the net and we'd be fools for not snatching them up, but I wouldn't bet my career on that plan.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 5, 2011 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Not what I'm hearing, RSH. I think we'll be able to sign several top-notch FA's, use our starters as backups. Guys like Ryan Kalil, C, not yet 26, from Carolina.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 5, 2011 3:19 PM
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Come on. Do you think the next coach for the Panthers is going to come in, get a lock on the numerous holes he has to fill, and then will say, "Go ahead. Let Kalil go. I don't need him." Shoot, if the new coach is Cowher, the first guy he'll talk to is Kalil. I think Kalil stays put. I believe Atlanta will keep their offensive line intact. They're a really good unit. Why mess with that? Someone said Mankins is done with the Pats. Maybe. Belichik has the stones to let someone as good as Mankins go, and the draft picks to replace him if need be.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 5, 2011 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Word from the coaches meetings currently underway at Redskins Park is that Shanny has already led his staff in a singalong to a tune from the old gang at Hee Haw:

Blues, dispair and agony on me....

Deep dark depression, and endless misery...

If it weren't for bad Luck, I'd have no Luck at all...

Blues, dispair and agony on me!

Posted by: Vic1 | January 5, 2011 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I find it easy to remember someone so full of crap. I don't know why - it's just one of those things.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 5, 2011 3:22 PM |

You don't even believe that. You're simply being the loser 4th grader along with half the losers in here.

If you were honest with yourself, you'd get me. If I rub you the wrong way on a blog, then I have exposed you as the utter doosh you are.

I couldn't care less about the belly-achers here.

You may go now.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 5, 2011 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Stu, it's Ricky Stanzi at Iowa. He is a senior this year.

2010 25 TD 6 INT 3004 YDS 65%

He's rated as the 4th senior QB by CBS Sports.

Who, incidentally, have WAS picking JJ Watt, a junior DE from Wisconsin.

What the heck are they thinking?

Posted by: dpc2003 | January 5, 2011 3:27 PM | Report abuse

RSH, with all due respect, I'd like to think that I own at least two of the dumbest.

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2011 3:23 PM |

In years past, sween, this might have been true. But you haven't been following the blog much lately and we've really gone down hill. Or uphill, depending on your perspective. Anyway, this year with some of the new chuckle heads we've picked up, you're probably not even in the top 100 dumb posts on your best day (or worst day, depending on perspective).

Posted by: beep-beep | January 5, 2011 3:29 PM | Report abuse

RSH, with all due respect, I'd like to think that I own at least two of the dumbest.

If you need a demonstration, I will not shed a tear if they switch sides with Jammal Brown and Trent Williams. Skins still have to face the Oominyana and Ware twice a year each.

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2011 3:23 PM
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Yeah, that's bad. Hey, I actually said Larry Johnson was going to beast out for the Redskins. That has to be the all time dumbest.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 5, 2011 3:29 PM | Report abuse

I assumed that Personal Fowl and NoPuntIntended were the same dude.

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2011 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Ugh, for a second there I almost forgot why I left this place...

A. Houston had the best rusher in the NFL
B. Houston ran the ball significantly more
C. Houston passed the ball less
D. Houston had more talent and experience within the system at QB and WR, allowing cleaner plays, more fluid looks, and less errors that were NOT on the offensive line.
E. Our line most certainly did run block well as evidenced by torain's high ypc

You can keep creaming yourself at the thought that this line is awful and you're destined to hear a linemans name early in the draft, but I promise you it will not happen this year. I know you all think shanahan is a lying dbag with some man crush on Lichtensteiger and is willing to sacrifice his stature as a coach just keep Lichtensteiger in the lineup, but I'm going with what I see; he's an improving talent that progressed clearly over the course of the season and will continue to get better as he gels with Williams and rabach. Same with Montgomery.

Can the line be upgraded? Sure. But it's not even close to the biggest need right now.

Posted by: psps23 | January 5, 2011 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Come on. Do you think the next coach for the Panthers is going to come in, get a lock on the numerous holes he has to fill, and then will say, "Go ahead. Let Kalil go. I don't need him." Shoot, if the new coach is Cowher, the first guy he'll talk to is Kalil. I think Kalil stays put.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 5, 2011 3:26 PM |

Let's not forget that FA means the player has a say. If he thinks he's better than what he's being offers or doesn't want to stay where he's at he'll hit the market regardless of what his current team tries to do.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 5, 2011 3:33 PM | Report abuse

psps23--- January 5, 2011 2:16 PM

Excellent post, sir.

Someone needs to school these people.

A lot of the FA who are about to hit the market are well under 27--just at the age you'd really want them.

A FA center and guard and free safety is where we should start.


Posted by: MistaMoe | January 5, 2011 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Also ILB and OLB.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 5, 2011 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Random Thoughts at 3:30

-Right about now I really miss Chris Samuels, John Jansen and Randy Thomas.

-I love Chipotle

-Does anyone else think Tony Bryant could very well be our man at NT?

"Vincent Vega, our man in Amsterdam! Jules Winnfield, our man in Inglewood!"

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 5, 2011 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I find it easy to remember someone so full of crap. I don't know why - it's just one of those things.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 5, 2011 3:22 PM |

You don't even believe that. You're simply being the loser 4th grader along with half the losers in here.

If you were honest with yourself, you'd get me. If I rub you the wrong way on a blog, then I have exposed you as the utter doosh you are.

I couldn't care less about the belly-achers here.

You may go now.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 5, 2011 3:27 PM
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You are really comical. I wonder if you actually believe the stuff you write or if this some way of compensating for your many other deficiencies. I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, though. Maybe you are some teenaged kid sitting at the computer Mommmy and Daddy bought you in your yellow stained undies and trying to be the "big man on blog" really makes you feel good. Good for you. Stick with that. I find you entertaining and mostly harmless. You can book that.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 5, 2011 3:36 PM | Report abuse


What score? You say Snyder is the reason we keep losing right? If we had a different owner we wouldn't suck right? You are the same hessone who posts boycott Snyder right?

Posted by: Vicc | January 5, 2011 3:19 PM |
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sorry vicc,

you misunderstood,

I said doing things the way we've been doing them the last decade, under snyder's ownership if you insist I include him in my comment. a boat load of coaches, players, and FO personel also play a part. what's your point ? cause it's been almost a year since I posted anything about a boycott. and if you want me to let it go maybe you should too

Posted by: hessone | January 5, 2011 3:39 PM | Report abuse

"Vincent Vega, our man in Amsterdam! Jules Winnfield, our man in Inglewood!"

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 5, 2011 3:34 PM |

"Damn n*gga where'd you get them clothes?"

"Don't ask."

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | January 5, 2011 3:41 PM | Report abuse

I have a new theory ... that the McNabb signing is one that Shanahan was OK with and went along with (maybe in the discussions when The Owner was getting ready to hire him), but that the McNabb signing really wasn't the idea of the Shanahallen ... but instead the guy who writes the checks. Maybe the compromise was that it would just be a one year deal. [I'm remembering all the huffing about the size of the new contract ... followed in the next news cycle explaining about how it really is nowhere big as reported.]

When you said Larry Johnson, that reminded me that there is a still the guy who signs the checks ... regardless of the perception that the franchise is trying to convey about Shanahallen being in charge now. Once an fantasy football owner, always a fantasy football owner.

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2011 3:42 PM | Report abuse

rsh, don't bother...you'd have better luck trying to teach your cat spanish...he's pathological....you can start with little man's disease, jump to not getting hugged enough as a child...you name it, he suffers from it, paranoia dementia, in that he tells us about his solid gold car/townhouse that he lives in...you could go on, and on...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 5, 2011 3:46 PM | Report abuse

psps23,

If you think Rex Grossman throwing all day off his back foot and not being able to step up in the pocket is a good thing - then your right about the interior line. What I saw and what was reported in other places is that the three center were on skates against the Giants tackles. Right tackle is still a position of need as well.

In your defense those four positions aren't normally drafted at #10 but the offensive genius traded our 3rd and 4th in this years draft where guys that this really smart guy could've coached up to take a couple of those positions.

Lastly, the o-line is not good enough for any rookie qb.

Posted by: bangkokben | January 5, 2011 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Sweeney, your comment about pass-pro is precisely the reason I say the line is fine. You're absolutely right that Williams struggled. Does that mean we abandon Williams because unskilled tore him up?

No sir. He struggled because he's young and inexperienced with some veteran pass rush moves.

As is Lichtensteiger

And Montgomery.

They all will improve. And they have from the beginning of the season to the end. I've seen enough from this unit to see a bright future. This isn't like 2009 where campbell would hit his 5th step and be immediately hit. The line gives our QBs more than enough time to progress through their reads and attempt many deep passes. It's the opposite of last year. The scheme is what's allowing so many QB hits, IMO. And that's not to say the line is great, because it isn't, but it is certainly not nearly as bad as it's made out to be.

Posted by: psps23 | January 5, 2011 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Maybe you are some teenaged kid sitting at the computer Mommmy and Daddy bought you in your yellow stained undies and trying to be the "big man on blog" really makes you feel good. Good for you. Stick with that. I find you entertaining and mostly harmless. You can book that.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 5, 2011 3:36 PM

RSH--Looks like he succeeded in dragging you down to his level. ITA.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 5, 2011 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Can the line be upgraded? Sure. But it's not even close to the biggest need right now.

Posted by: psps23 | January 5, 2011 3:32 PM

The effect of an upgrade on an offense cannot be overstated. See the current Jets (two years after a near complete rebuild based on two first round lineman, center and tackle) and the improvement in this year's Lions. Stafford wasn't healthy for that many games. Shaun Hill is not that good. Their ability to move the ball at all is that offensive line. [Same thing with the quickness of the turn around in KC. Jamaal Charles is good, but would be crap but for the additions of Brandon Albert and Ryan Lilja.]

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2011 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Ahhhhh, the annual rite of Spring -- discussing how the Redskins should trade up to get the sexiest quarterback in the draft. Who says the Redskins (and their fans) aren't consistent?

Posted by: disgruntledfan | January 5, 2011 1:12 PM

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@disgruntledfan You do make a good point. I would only condone a trade up if, as Jaworski said, Luck is "the best QB prospect in years" and "could be as good as Peyton Manning." I don't know whether these claims are true or not, but hopefully we now have the personnel experts in place to judge whether they represent reality or just pre-Orange Bowl hyperbole.

If we do decide to go after Luck, it shouldn't cost us that much. Carolina, it is rumored, does not want to pay first-pick money to a rookie, and with all the other QB's in the draft, are motivated to trade. And, with a #10 in hand, we may not have to trade more than two picks and a player to move up.

Posted by: jksesq1 | January 5, 2011 3:53 PM | Report abuse

When I say the scheme allows hits, I mean scheme/playcalling. Think any mike marts run system.

Posted by: psps23 | January 5, 2011 3:54 PM | Report abuse


seems to me everyone wants a case of Champaign when what we really need is a six pack of beer.

draftin o-line and d-line is a must if we're to be successful

Posted by: hessone | January 5, 2011 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Ugh, for a second there I almost forgot why I left this place...

A. Houston had the best rusher in the NFL

Posted by: psps23 | January 5, 2011 3:32 PM

Which is an excellent point ... is that guy eligible for free agency yet?

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2011 4:03 PM | Report abuse

http://www.footballsfuture.com/2011/fa/rb.html

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett


Mike Shanahan looked at that list and said "You mean I have to pay for a RB? Oh no, I don't pay for running backs!"

Posted by: Predator48 | January 5, 2011 4:03 PM | Report abuse

I agree Sween.

But we've already upgraded our line. That's what twilliams and brown were acquired for. As was Lichtensteiger.

We rebuilt the line (save center). Now we go after the big fish. Get the money position, then let them grow. If you're that hell bent on upgrading the interior, do it in round 2. There aren't top 10 caliber linemen anyway this year

Posted by: psps23 | January 5, 2011 4:03 PM | Report abuse

-Right about now I really miss Chris Samuels, John Jansen and Randy Thomas.

-I love Chipotle

-Does anyone else think Tony Bryant could very well be our man at NT?

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 5, 2011 3:34 PM

1. Without them, their replica jerseys are poison on eBay.

2. Absolutely concur. Among the finest of McDonald's menu.

3. Chris Collinsworth

hess, what's this about the beer then?

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2011 4:07 PM | Report abuse

day one of free agency, I hope brings VJax, Mankins, and Kalil....anything short will be disappointing to me...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 5, 2011 2:06 PM |
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same philosophy for the last decade and look were it's gotten us. build from within thru the draft. it'd be nice if other teams wanted our fa players for a change


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The point, hessone, is that you seem to be opposed to signing any free agents, claiming that that philosophy--signing free agents--has gotten us to where we are today...and I disagree.

I also listed some free agents that teams lured away from us with a bigger contract.

I don't have to let go of anything Hess. I don't blame Snyder for everything like you.

Posted by: Vicc | January 5, 2011 4:10 PM | Report abuse

He struggled because he's young and inexperienced with some veteran pass rush moves....As is Lichtensteiger...And Montgomery...They all will improve.


True.

The line with C Rabach has an average of 4 years of experience per man.

Remove Rabach, and you have 4 players--1 rookie--with an average of 3 years of experience.

That's very young in the NFL.

And folks, then, want to replace what is essentially a young line with drafted guys who'll only make the line that much younger.

That makes sense.

They'll then complain that the 1st and 2nd rounders are bust because they don't block like Samuels and Grimm by Labor Day their rookie year.

Some folks, then want to spend years bringing in young guys so the line 'jells'.

'Jells' must mean a bunch of young guys performing 'whiff' and 'lookout' blocks being switched out for other young guys doing the same.

The redskins, again, would do well to remove Rabach from the equation, and add an accomplished young FA center to that line, someone at around age 26-28.

Our line was old a few years ago under Bugle and sucked.

It's young now.

And improve it with one or two league young vets.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | January 5, 2011 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 5, 2011 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Yeah thats why Ricky Stanza isnt projected as high as the big name trio. he also is not much of a runner which kind of goes against what you was saying. But imo he might be the best later round QB out there. A lot can change however. Im fine with getting a QB in the latter rounds, its almost a must. I just dont want to pay for the big 3 manes(luck, locker,newton) when we have such a terrible O and D line holes at LB RB safety and WR.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 5, 2011 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Stu27 | January 5, 2011 4:11 PM | Report abuse

If we weren't so careless with our draft picks we could afford to take a flyer on a late round QB almost every year. You'd only need to hit on 1 like every 10 years to get your value back like the pats did with matt cassel.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 5, 2011 4:20 PM | Report abuse

there seems to be some debate about the state of our O-line union; some are saying it's all crap, some say it's not nearly that bad. I think it's somewhere in between. my take:

-LT: we're set for a while. kid struggled some, yes. he's 22. load of talent, he'll be a Pro Bowler in yr 2 or 3
-LG: is Lichensteiger the answer? I don't think so, but could be. Need to at least bring in someone for competition/depth since BMW seems done.
-C: If Raybach is starting next yr, we are in trouble. Solid career, but his skills are clearly in major decline the past couple yrs. Backup or cut.
RG: Hicks, Monty can compete but I think this is what we draft with one of our 1st 3 picks.
RT: Depends on Brown's health. Still need depth. I'm still not sold that Heyer can't be the guy; he's only 26.

Just my two cents, feel free to bash. I know some of you will!

HTTR

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 5, 2011 4:22 PM | Report abuse

psps, btwn Montgomery and Rabach (but particularly Rabach), Skins need to get better.

For a first round guy, however, I agree that Skins have a bigger need to upgrade on defense, at least if picking at the #10 slot. FS, CB, OLB, ILB, NT, DE ... the only solid spot is SS. Rocky McI is likely gone, creating big hole at ILB. The indestructible Fletcher can't play forever (and it seems that teams are figuring out to pick on him in the center middle and then run deep ... where his speed betrays him). I think Lorenzo Alexander is great as a rushing LB, but of our entire LB corps, I don't think we have the speed to keep up with receivers (compare the Steelers, Jets, or Ravens). If Rogers won't re-sign and/or if we can find a reasonable trade for Hall, then I think a top ten CB would be a fine idea ... maybe the American-African guy whose first name is Prince.

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2011 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2011 4:23 PM | Report abuse

I'm liking Marcell Dareus. I think he could platoon with Tony Bryant at NT or be a total beast at the DE spot not occupied by Adam Carriker.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 5, 2011 4:28 PM | Report abuse

NotorLMG, Brown's hip is all better. Something about feeling the scar tissue breaking up in early December. He's good to go ... and should go over to the left side with Williams coming back to the right ... unless we get a lefty QB.

My late round QB is Colin Kaepernick from Nevada. Bowl game on Sunday. The Fight Hunger Bowl. Seriously. [Maybe if they fill the bowl, fewer will be hungry or some such.]

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2011 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 5, 2011 4:22 PM | Report abuse

When looking at the Oline its important to look at the next guy up in case of injuries. If anyone can say we have solid starters and backups at various oline pos please feel free to do so. I feel that we have some decent starters and zero possibly 1 capable backups.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 5, 2011 4:30 PM | Report abuse

I don't have to let go of anything Hess. I don't blame Snyder for everything like you.

Posted by: Vicc | January 5, 2011 4:10 PM |
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well now vicc, I haven't blamed everything on snyder, but one must take into consideration the fact that he's the owner and all things start at the top. he's done all the hiring and firing since he's owned the team, thus, he should get an ample amount of the blame.

also, I would like to see us build this team thru the draft. once a solid o-line and d-line are in place, then we should add the FA's needed to compliment our needs at other positions.

never have I said we shouldn't sign FA's, it's about the way we have tried to buy a "win now" team thru FA's. I'm sure I'm not the only peep that feels this way.

so far the new FO has got it wrong and I feel if they do the same this offseason, I'll need a rubber room to watch the games in next year.

sween,

champaign = 1st round QB pick

beer = o-line or d-line picks

Posted by: hessone | January 5, 2011 4:34 PM | Report abuse

PAskinsfan, that's what I'm thinking ... replace the unmemorable. I forgot who it even IS opposite Carriker ... Holliday? Golsten? Jarmon?

Frankly, screw it. They should use the first round pick on the BPA who also happens to be a "strong character" guy. Btwn McNabb NOW and Fletcher SOON, they need someone with leadership qualities.

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2011 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Nothing like the start of our offseason to liven this place up.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 5, 2011 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Sween, I agree that the defense is awful. I can't argue against it in the first round. However, if we're going offense there, then QB is the way to go, IMO. Too much talent there this year, and we're in a great spot. We're also in good enough shape to bring in a kid now and not worry about throwing him to the wolves without a supporting cast.

Can't argue against defense, but if I had to choose a philosophy, I'd say build one side of the ball first, then concentrate on the other. Let Landry and orakpo lead the defense while we fill he holes with late round depth and free agents, and infuse the offense with high round talent. I won't complain if we upgrade rabach in round 2 or in FA.

Posted by: psps23 | January 5, 2011 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Yes, the line that was 10th in the NFL in YPC for our starting RB (better than 22 other teams) is fine already. The line that had to protect for the 4th most dropbacks in the NFL for one of the most aggressive schemes in the NFL and allowed the 4th most sacks (therefore, perfectly average) is fine already.

Given the youth, inexperience, instability among other offensive personnel, and potential for improvement, this line is fine already.

Posted by: psps23 | January 5, 2011 2:53 PM
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I do agree with you that the line can benefit from a quality RB, but if you want to look at sacks per attempt, you actually have to do the math.

If you did, you would find us ranked 23rd in the league. Not average.

And Rabach at 33 is not youthful. Even if we slide Lickedandsticky over, who fills in at guard? And this is assuming Brown is back! Not to mention, what happens if TWill gets hurt? Heyer at LT again? Our offensive line needs to get better AND get deeper.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 5, 2011 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Stu27, there are TON of guys on the Skins now who are capable backups. WAY more than in previous years when the Skins overspent on starters and used change from returnables to pay the depth. That much, I applaud. Its replacing the backups who are starting that seems like its ready to get started on.

For all the low scoring this year (I blame McNabb ... at least after Grossman's debut with the FOUR offensive TDs), the yardage allowed by the defense was just wrong. The only upside is that, even for all the yards allowed, the points allowed weren't so horrible. I'd like to see the stat on time of possession v opponents.

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2011 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Ill take Hicks and Heyer as backups. Trent JB and Lick as starter, even though i dont like that last one.

I think we still need a new starting RG and C. and backup C and T and G.

Now who ya got?

Posted by: Stu27 | January 5, 2011 4:47 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to see the stat on time of possession v opponents.

Posted by: dcsween

We ran 1002 plays on offense, defended 1051 on defense. Close enough?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 5, 2011 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Doug MacRay: I need your help. I can't tell you what it is, you can never ask me about it later, and we're gonna hurt some people.
[Jem pauses to think for a moment]
James Coughlin: Whose car are we gonna take?

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 5, 2011 4:49 PM | Report abuse

DC,

Redskins had the ball an average 28:50.

Defense was on the field an average of 32:54.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 5, 2011 4:51 PM | Report abuse

1. Without them, their replica jerseys are poison on eBay.

2. Absolutely concur. Among the finest of McDonald's menu.

3. Chris Collinsworth

hess, what's this about the beer then?

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2011 4:07 PM | Report abuse

I've missed you.

p.s. why do you wanna move Silverback to RT? you don't think he can protect the blindside?? oh, and I agree on Capernick- big, mobile, pretty good arm, I think 4 yr starter. This is the strategy I think Shanny takes- mine a diamond from the rough in the mid-late rounds, not a flashy 1st rd pick...our needs elsewhere almost dictate it.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 5, 2011 4:53 PM | Report abuse

The one really bad choice I think would be a first round WR. Between the hit/miss ratio (and the HUGENESS of the busts on the misses), and how rarely the words "wide receiver" and "leader" appear in the same sentence, that seems like a place for a free agent ... and WR is also a position were another target would help. Moss is entering his 11th season (but hats off to the guy for staying injury free for a whole year AND having a career year reception-wise) and Kelly cannot (yet) be trusted. Armstrong seems solid. The other guys (Roydell, Terence Austin, probably someone else), meh.

Moss is UFA now. James Jones/GB or Malcolm Floyd/SD suit my fancy. Vincent Jackson is a talent, but between last season's injuries and recent misbehavior, I don't trust him either.

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2011 4:53 PM | Report abuse

This is the strategy I think Shanny takes- mine a diamond from the rough in the mid-late rounds, not a flashy 1st rd pick...our needs elsewhere almost dictate it.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG

I'm thinking you are on the right track. Even though we don't have a 3rd or 4th rounder. But if I'm Shanahan and I want to pursue this approach, I try to find someone who is very adept at finding mid to late round talent -- and then I'm hiring that person.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 5, 2011 4:58 PM | Report abuse

to clarify- is this correct on what we have this year at this point: 1st, 2nd, 5th, 2 6th rounders, and a 7th?

and we get a 4th or 5th rd pick next year for Campbell?

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 5, 2011 5:05 PM | Report abuse

That's why democracy is great. Some guys are free to see the glass as half empty, some are free to say it's half full, and some completely ignore the fact that the glass keeps stepping on the quarterbacks's foot.

If they don't upgrade at center at the very least, Rexy or whoever is going to get beaten senseless again next year. And I think Moe might be right when he says we need an NFL-ready starter for the interior OL, and not a college kid.

Posted by: NYPDee | January 5, 2011 5:07 PM | Report abuse


Moss is UFA now. James Jones/GB or Malcolm Floyd/SD suit my fancy. Vincent Jackson is a talent, but between last season's injuries and recent misbehavior, I don't trust him either.

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2011 4:53 PM |

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indeed,

this is a much more sensible approach to FA.

might I add, keeping every draft pick you have as an investment in the future

Posted by: hessone | January 5, 2011 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Redskins had the ball an average 28:50.

Defense was on the field an average of 32:54.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 5, 2011 4:51 PM

That's what it felt like. I think I got spoiled on how good the Skins defense USED to be.

btw, between you two, that stat popped out pretty quick. How did Skins compare to opponents on converting on third down? Seems like we never did it and they always did it.

NotoriousLMG, mostly the prison rape scene featuring Trent Williams and Osi U. during Week 17. Plus Jammal Brown already is a two (three?) time Pro Bowler (and more importantly, a former All Pro, which is not a popularity contest like the Pro Bowl) on the left side. Oklahoma has done a fine job kicking out tackles. Coincidentally, it was Williams who took Brown's spot on the Oklahoma line when Brown was drafted.

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2011 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Sween, I agree WR in 1st is dicey at this point. but call me crazy- if we can trade back and pick up another 2nd rd pick, I'd take Justin Blackmon late in the 1st if available. then draft O-line and best defensive player- regardless of position- in 2nd rd. Capernick in the 5th. An LB and another OL in the 6th, DL in 7th.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 5, 2011 5:10 PM | Report abuse

actually, scratch that ... Williams played his first two years on the right side ... maybe longer ... he was on the same line as Loadholt.

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2011 5:10 PM | Report abuse

OK, according to the wikipediagoogletubes, Loadholt was on the left. From what I remember about the game field when Bradford got hit and busted his shoulder, Williams was on the right side.

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2011 5:13 PM | Report abuse

sween, my go to site is:

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/was/2010.htm

but I don't think it has 3rd down conversions

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 5, 2011 5:16 PM | Report abuse

to clarify- is this correct on what we have this year at this point: 1st, 2nd, 5th, 2 6th rounders, and a 7th?

and we get a 4th or 5th rd pick next year for Campbell?

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 5, 2011 5:05 PM |

No we have 1, 2, 5, 5(Jamal Brown trade), 6, 7

We will also get a pick from the Colts for Justin Tryon most likely a 6th or 7th.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 5, 2011 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Did grossman get stepped on by rabach? Honest question. Makes me wonder if that was more mcnabb than rabach.

More important than the ability to hold ground better than rabach is the ability to call line adjustments presnap. Especially with a young line, that's of utmost importance. That's my guess as to why rabach is still around (and signed an extension). Might be time to draft someone for rabach to groom in this regard.

Posted by: psps23 | January 5, 2011 5:18 PM | Report abuse

The only upside is that, even for all the yards allowed, the points allowed weren't so horrible. I'd like to see the stat on time of possession v opponents.

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2011 4:41 PM |

We attempted 208 3rd downs we made 61

Defense had 214 3rd down attempts and allowed 75

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 5, 2011 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Redskins should take a QB in the 1st round, a nose tackle in the 2nd, and a right offensive tackle with their highest remaining draft choice.

Kemoeatu had a really bad year. It's hard to run a 3-4 defense without a decent nose tackle. It's also hard to evaluate the ends in a 3-4 without a decent nose tackle.

On the offensive side, Jamaal Brown had a bad year too. He is not fully recovered from that hip injury. Without a decent starting right tackle, the run game doesn't go and then your play-action passing game doesn't go either. It's hard to evaluate the center and right guard when the right tackle is playing like a sieve. The good news is that everyone drafts a left tackle high and some decent right tackles sometimes fall to the middle rounds. The question is, with the zone blocking scheme Shanahan runs, will the prototypical strong run-blocking right tackle be what the Redskins want or do they want another fast-footed, quick tackle to play the right side?

Those kind of tackles are going to be gone before the Redskins pick in the 2nd round.

In later rounds, the Redskins have a chance to find a diamond-in-the-rough RB, FS, OG, and ILB.

8 guys that will not be back: Kemoeatu, Haynesworth, Andre Carter, Rocky McIntosh, Carlos Rogers, Jamaal Brown, Clinton Portis, Donovan McNabb.

3 guys I hope are back: Chris Cooley, Santana Moss, Laron Landry.

Positions likely to be filled via free agency: WR, CB, FS.

Conclusion: Redskins will have a much younger roster next year and staff is going to have to do a great job of "coachin' them up."

Posted by: rb-freedom-for-all | January 5, 2011 5:24 PM | Report abuse

You know its the off-season when a RI thread hits over 200 posts with no new thread in sight for days. Good times.

Sooooooo ... I got the easy ones, Saints over the Seahawks (INCLUDING 10.5 points) and Ravens over the Cheeves (and would give more points), but on the tricky ones, I'm taking the Colts over the Jets, but only because Big Forehead has a history of beating Ryan when he was with the Ravens. I wish there was no spread. Eagles are favored by 2.5, but I would take the Packers straight up. Rogers is healthy enough and has a big of a talented receiver pool as New Orleans ... and I'm not sure that Vick's magic hasn't been figured out. Packers D is still solid.

I got not much more about the Skins, except maybe my delight about signing Selvish Capers. I love capers. The food not the player.

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2011 5:24 PM | Report abuse

I seem to recall that Captain Stats wrote this morning that the Skins were one of the worst in the league on 3rd down conversions. Of course he also said that he didn't put much of that on McNabb, so you have to consider the source.

Posted by: NYPDee | January 5, 2011 5:32 PM | Report abuse

No we have 1, 2, 5, 5(Jamal Brown trade), 6, 7

We will also get a pick from the Colts for Justin Tryon most likely a 6th or 7th.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 5, 2011 5:18 PM | Report abuse

that's right, Tryon! thanks Flounder.

so we have 7 picks, that's good...mostly later rd picks, not so great...hope our scouts have been combing the smaller schools

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 5, 2011 5:37 PM | Report abuse

We will also get a pick from the Colts for Justin Tryon most likely a 6th or 7th.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 5, 2011 5:18 PM

You mean the guy starting for the Colts now? The team that picked up former Skins UDFA G Kyle DeVan and has him starting for his second season in the post season after he started in last year's Super Bowl? [You know, the Skins ... the team that cut Jeremy Bridges before HE went on to play for the Cardinals in the Super Bowl?]

I digress. Thx for the third down conversion stat. Felt worse than that.

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2011 5:37 PM | Report abuse

btw, I'm REALLY glad that, for all of Brandon Lloyd's statistical success this season, the Broncos suck. I figure its his fault. Locker room cancer!

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2011 5:42 PM | Report abuse

No,

You were right about the pick for JC17 next year I believe it is a 4th.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 5, 2011 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Or maybe locker room foot fungus.

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2011 5:44 PM | Report abuse

No we have 1, 2, 5, 5(Jamal Brown trade), 6, 7

We will also get a pick from the Colts for Justin Tryon most likely a 6th or 7th.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 5, 2011 5:18 PM | Report abuse

that's right, Tryon! thanks Flounder.

so we have 7 picks, that's good...mostly later rd picks, not so great...hope our scouts have been combing the smaller schools

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 5, 2011 5:44 PM | Report abuse

We should get some compenatory picks for all of the veteran free agents that will have to sign somewhere else.

Posted by: rb-freedom-for-all | January 5, 2011 5:48 PM | Report abuse

..we have 1, 2, 5, 5, 6, 7..


A 3rd/4th rounder would be nice.

It would be nice of we could get some kind of value back for AH-DM5.

a 5TH for AH and 4th for DM5 would render us:

1, 2, 4, 5, 5, 5, 6, 7, 7(for Tyron).

That's 9 selections in a draft with a lot of defensive lineman, wr, olb's, quarterbacks, and other types of secondary help.

You could take (after a wr, fs, c and g in FA):

1 (qb), 2 (de-nt/olb), 4 (c), 5 (rt), 5 (lb), 5 (g), 6 (rb), 7 (fs), 7 (wr)

That's the draft I want.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 5, 2011 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Aw yeah, the Redskins' offseason is underway... paraphrasing the Goonies, "Up here, this is OUR time! It's our time up here!"

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 5, 2011 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Or if Brandon Lloyd is not a locker room cancer, maybe he's a locker room foot fungus.

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2011 5:55 PM | Report abuse

NotoriousLMG, mostly the prison rape scene featuring Trent Williams and Osi U. during Week 17. Plus Jammal Brown already is a two (three?) time Pro Bowler (and more importantly, a former All Pro, which is not a popularity contest like the Pro Bowl) on the left side. Oklahoma has done a fine job kicking out tackles. Coincidentally, it was Williams who took Brown's spot on the Oklahoma line when Brown was drafted.

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2011 5:08 PM | Report abuse

well he didn't get there till a year after Brown left but yea.

As for your earlier point about swapping the two- do you think N.O. would give up an All Pro LT for a 4th rd pick if they thought he was still an All Pro/100%? Plus we didn't draft TW to play RT. Osi U would do that to any rookie LT. Give the kid time - he has to learn somehow.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | January 5, 2011 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Just throwing this out there to stir the pot...who should we should trade to garner more picks or improve draft position on existing picks? And what are they worth?

I'll start the list:

D.McNabb
A.Haynesworth
A.Carter
D.Hall (sorry, I'm a bigger fan of consistently good coverage than I am of INTs)

Posted by: PDXskin | January 5, 2011 6:10 PM | Report abuse

MistaMoe:

Sounds good. We still need a CB to take Carlos Rogers' place.

Posted by: rb-freedom-for-all | January 5, 2011 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Just throwing this out there to stir the pot...who should we should trade to garner more picks or improve draft position on existing picks? And what are they worth?

I'll start the list:

D.McNabb
A.Haynesworth
A.Carter
D.Hall (sorry, I'm a bigger fan of consistently good coverage than I am of INTs)

Posted by: PDXskin | January 5, 2011 6:10 PM
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Don't forget Cooley.

They must have traded hands last week.

~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetyou | January 5, 2011 6:18 PM | Report abuse

That is:
Carlos and Cooley must have traded hands last week.

~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetyou | January 5, 2011 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Maybe you are some teenaged kid sitting at the computer Mommmy and Daddy bought you in your yellow stained undies and trying to be the "big man on blog" really makes you feel good. Good for you. Stick with that. I find you entertaining and mostly harmless. You can book that.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 5, 2011 3:36 PM

RSH--Looks like he succeeded in dragging you down to his level. ITA.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 5, 2011 3:49 PM
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My apologies to the blog.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 5, 2011 6:21 PM | Report abuse

We will also get a pick from the Colts for Justin Tryon most likely a 6th or 7th.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 5, 2011 5:18 PM

You mean the guy starting for the Colts now? The team that picked up former Skins UDFA G Kyle DeVan and has him starting for his second season in the post season after he started in last year's Super Bowl? [You know, the Skins ... the team that cut Jeremy Bridges before HE went on to play for the Cardinals in the Super Bowl?]

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2011 5:37 PM
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And lest we forget... a moment of silence for Leigh Torrence, former Redskin and he of Super Bowl lore...

Actually, we've kind of found gold in other team's castoffs as well, so not feeling too bruised about our castoffs playing somewhere else. I just hope with Allen and Shanahan running things we can start to get the best of some of these teams in trades.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 5, 2011 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Aw yeah, the Redskins' offseason is underway... paraphrasing the Goonies, "Up here, this is OUR time! It's our time up here!"

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 5, 2011 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Nice way to lay a PNW movie reference in there, Nate! (ahh, Astoria... it's lovely this time of year).

Posted by: PDXskin | January 5, 2011 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Should the Redskins rely on Luck?

By Matt McFarland

No, if they want him they are going to have to move up to #1 to get him.

Campbell's comp is a 4th in 2012.

psp23- DM5 has lazy feet and was too slow on his "get out" from under center. I said it every time it happened only to have others blame #61. Also you can't be fixated on a QB at #10, if their guy is there then yes...otherwise you don't take the 4th or 5th rated QB at 10.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 5, 2011 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Not that I'm saying we don't need more O-Lineman but if any line needs a first round draft pick it's the D-Line. Quit overcompensating for Vinny drafting no O-Lineman by making every draft pick along the offensive line.

Last I checked the Browns and Niners both had great O-Lines, stocked with both high draft picks and expensive free agents, yet the 49ers went 6-10 while the Browns went 5-11.

Posted by: Dirtbag359 | January 5, 2011 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Or if Brandon Lloyd is not a locker room cancer, maybe he's a locker room foot fungus.

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2011 5:55 PM

Did you hear his response when asked if there was anything he'd like to say to the three teams that gave up on him now that he's made the Pro Bowl?

"FU"

Posted by: skinswest | January 5, 2011 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Breaking News: Titans set to trade or release Vince Young

If this doesn't set the blog on fire, I don't know what will...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 5, 2011 7:00 PM | Report abuse

. Also you can't be fixated on a QB at #10, if their guy is there then yes...otherwise you don't take the 4th or 5th rated QB at 10.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 5, 2011 6:40 PM

Indeed. It's BPA all the way at #10!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 5, 2011 7:00 PM | Report abuse

I think we can get an NT and WR in free agencey (Ngata and Jackson, anyone?), and should draft for all our other needs (3-4 DE, 3-4 OLB, ILB, FS, C/G - pretty much in that order). Just saying...

Posted by: PDXskin | January 5, 2011 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Indeed. It's BPA all the way at #10!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 5, 2011 7:00 PM

Even if it's a WR?

Posted by: TWISI | January 5, 2011 7:03 PM | Report abuse

No way Baltimore lets Ngata walk. Agree about the needs though.

Posted by: skinswest | January 5, 2011 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Last I checked the Browns and Niners both had great O-Lines, stocked with both high draft picks and expensive free agents, yet the 49ers went 6-10 while the Browns went 5-11.

Posted by: Dirtbag359

Tough to blame the OL in either case. After all, your QBs were Jake Delhomme/Colt McCoy and the Smith Bros, Alex and Troy. In SF, two OL guys were rookie. Their rookie RT especially, wasn't really ready for prime time.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 5, 2011 7:07 PM | Report abuse

You know its the off-season when a RI thread hits over 200 posts with no new thread in sight for days. Good times.

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2011 5:24 PM

Best time of the year for this here blog.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 5, 2011 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Indeed. It's BPA all the way at #10!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 5, 2011 7:00 PM

Even if it's a WR?

Posted by: TWISI | January 5, 2011 7:03 PM

Yes, we need one of those too.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 5, 2011 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Breaking News: Titans set to trade or release Vince Young

If this doesn't set the blog on fire, I don't know what will...

Posted by: brownwood26

Its been on fire all day. After all, its the offseason. Our time to shine.

And while I like VY, I don't think Shanny goes anywhere near there.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 5, 2011 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Indeed. It's BPA all the way at #10!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 5, 2011 7:00 PM

Even if it's a WR?

Posted by: TWISI | January 5, 2011 7:03 PM

Yes, we need one of those too.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 5, 2011 7:10 PM |

I would say the only exceptions would be LT and TE but I don't think there are any of those that would fit the bill.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 5, 2011 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Wow...almost 15 minutes and not a single VY comment. Maybe the blog has taken a turn for the better...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 5, 2011 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Yes, we need one of those too.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 5, 2011 7:10 PM |

No doubt. It'd be interesting to see if they go that route. If there's a run a qbs, a player like Green could very well be there at #10.

Posted by: TWISI | January 5, 2011 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Even if it's a WR?

Posted by: TWISI | January 5, 2011 7:03 PM

Yes, we need one of those too.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 5, 2011 7:10 PM

I'd say yes IF...It's AJ Green, otherwise give me OLB Quinn/Kerrigan/Ayers or DL Dareus.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 5, 2011 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Its been on fire all day. After all, its the offseason. Our time to shine.

And while I like VY, I don't think Shanny goes anywhere near there.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 5, 2011 7:12 PM

Guess I spoke too soon.

I have ZERO interest in VY. Wake me up when the Pats cut Brady...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 5, 2011 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Only thing I want from Tenn is a 4th RD pick for a 360LB POS..

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 5, 2011 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Vince Young.....although I agree with most people about having no interest in him.....part of me is thinking that it may be a way for us to trade McNabb and actually get something of some value to make up for the picks we lost....especially since we won't be getting Luck at #10 unless a miracle happens...

In this scenario, me thinks we would get a #3 pick talent QB and still be able to take a pro bowl OL/DL with our first pick....plus get rid of McNabb...anyone with me on this?

Posted by: rot8tor_man | January 5, 2011 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Its been on fire all day. After all, its the offseason. Our time to shine.

And while I like VY, I don't think Shanny goes anywhere near there.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 5, 2011 7:12 PM

Guess I spoke too soon.

I have ZERO interest in VY. Wake me up when the Pats cut Brady...

Posted by: brownwood26

Rip van Brownwood?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 5, 2011 7:31 PM | Report abuse

The VY issue does impact us. If he's sent packing, its because Jeff Fisher won the power struggle in Tennessee. Fisher is one of the few coaches willing to take Albert off our hands.

So in a back door kind of way, this is good news for us.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 5, 2011 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Even if it's a WR?

Posted by: TWISI | January 5, 2011 7:03 PM

UGA was a completely different offense once AJ Green came back. He is unbelievably good. If he's on the board, you gotta take him.

Posted by: will_ga | January 5, 2011 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Hello

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 5, 2011 8:29 PM | Report abuse

doesn't rex have a mic in his helmet? can't someone yell 'behind you!' when he's about to get sack/stripped? or 'don't do it!' when he's about to lob the ball to the flat with only a linebacker out there.

what defensive position accounts for the most groceptions?
a) LB
b) safety
c) CB
d) doesn't matter they all cost you the game and we gave philly our 2nd round pick which they used on a FS that's going to intercept whoever's back there repeatedly for years to come

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | January 5, 2011 8:31 PM | Report abuse

doesn't rex have a mic in his helmet? can't someone yell 'behind you!' when he's about to get sack/stripped? or 'don't do it!' when he's about to lob the ball to the flat with only a linebacker out there.


Posted by: BrooklynSkins | January 5, 2011 8:31 PM |

HA! That would be great...except that the mic in the helmet is shut off after a certain amount of time.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 5, 2011 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Titans set to trade or release Vince Young...If this doesn't set the blog on fire, I don't know what will...

The actual unintended effect of any decent vet quarterback being released is that it weakens McNabb's value in trade.

The wider the market is for quarterbacks, the more unlikely it is any team in, say, AZ or Minn or San Fran looks at DM5 as someone worth any kind of draft compensation.

Even though where folks might think McNabb can produce in a situation with a good o-line and playmakers, any GM with sense will low ball the skins for the proud 13 year vet.

So, it's not all about VY: it's about further proof that trading f2 picks for a rapidly losing value DM5 wasn't just dumb...

...it was very dumb.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 5, 2011 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 5, 2011 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Great post Zeke. I was unable find a single thing to disagree with what you wrote and a ton of stuff that totally made sense I hadn't thought of. Yes, the Redskins 2010 season was a failure!

One exception I had at the end of what you wrote -- I couldn't tell if you were serious about kicking Shanny upstairs for good. I think we all know in our hearts that the real Skins recovery won't begin in earnest until we have a real GM with real authority who isn't named Shanahan, Allen, Cerrato, Gibbs, or Snyder for that matter.

Posted by: Pepper5 | January 5, 2011 9:10 PM | Report abuse

I'll be happy with a QB, or FS, Or Center, or OLB in the first two rounds. The only good thing about a team this deficient on both sides of the ball is that you can rationalize practically any decision made on draft day.

Posted by: brianearman | January 5, 2011 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Diesel44

Only thing I want from Tenn is a 4th RD pick for a 360LB POS..

How can TENN take AH back after jettisoning VY?

You can't remove one cancer then embrace another.

That'd make total hypocrites out of the titan FO--unless they argue that AH's transgressions in D.C. have no bearing on his relationship with them.

They let Pacman go, can't take him back: can the titans wipe the slate clean with Haynesworth and the distraction he might bring?

Doubt it.

Too, given the depth of linemen in the draft, would you rather take a young'n or a fully developed player like AH--warts and all?

Now, that's a decision that might impact us in a highly negative way.

Again: not moving AH when the gettin' and draft pick was good wasn't just dumb...

..it was really, really dumb.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 5, 2011 9:14 PM | Report abuse

The actual unintended effect of any decent vet quarterback being released is that it weakens McNabb's value in trade.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 5, 2011 9:04 PM

I would say that it's effect on his value is neutral. One more vet QB on the market, but one more team needing a vet QB.

However, McNabb had next to no trade value to begin with given his contract numbers.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 5, 2011 9:17 PM | Report abuse

f we trade up i quit

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | January 5, 2011 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Yes I think that would make me quit too. I'm sinking slowly in suck as it is.

Posted by: Pepper5 | January 5, 2011 9:17 PM | Report abuse

How can TENN take AH back after jettisoning VY?

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 5, 2011 9:14 PM

Fisher gets along with AH and can manage him. Fisher hates VY. One team's cancer is another team's defensive player of the year.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 5, 2011 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Officials at the storied Georgia golf course, home to the annual Masters Tournament, announced Tuesday that Augusta National is joining forces with EA Sports to be part of its 2012 installment of the Tiger Woods PGA Tour golf game franchise.

HA! That would be great...except that the mic in the helmet is shut off after a certain amount of time.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 5, 2011 9:01 PM |

In the case of our boy Brett, the dick in the drawers is never shut off, no?

Posted by: TubularBells | January 5, 2011 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Trade Haynesworth to Titans for their 3rd
Trade McNabb to Vikings for their 4th
Trade down in 1st Round with Denver for 2 of their late 1st round picks

Rd 1: Best NT or DE
Rd 1 (2nd pick in Rd 1): Best C
Rd 2: QB Blaine Gabbert from Missouri
Rd 3: Best G
Rd 4: Best G

5 Free Agent MUSTS:
Free Safety
NT or DE (depending who we draft in 1st rd)
WR
RB
Kicker

Rest of draft and free agency:
Dept at LB, CB and D-line

Posted by: jgarrisn | January 5, 2011 9:22 PM | Report abuse

draft a free safety with that pick and grab tyrod taylor in a later round. vick and tyrod playing twice a year=awesomeness.

Posted by: m.r.welch | January 5, 2011 9:26 PM | Report abuse


Xcuse the cutting and pasting error. The post should have been:

HA! That would be great...except that the mic in the helmet is shut off after a certain amount of time.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 5, 2011 9:01 PM |

In the case of our boy Brett, the dick in the drawers is never shut off, no?


Posted by: TubularBells | January 5, 2011 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: jgarrisn | January 5, 2011 9:22 PM |

Jimbo - dude, when are you releasing your findings about who shot JFK?

Posted by: TubularBells | January 5, 2011 9:30 PM | Report abuse

The Day's Best Headline:

2 Men Accused Of Using Snake In Sexual Assault on a Woman


Nothing like a little slither, bump and grind.

It's more like snakes on a hoe instead of a plane.

Those of you worrying about animal abuse should relax as the snake admits to wearing a condom on each of its fangs.

The people, though, were injured in the making of the porno tape involving the snake and woman--a naked chick named Eve who was paid with the bite of an apple.

Her husband Adam declined to comment as the eye opening experience caused him to dress quickly and leave the scene.

9 months from now, the 4 of them will be on Maury Povich claiming that the horny reptile is NOT the father.

"That baby don't look like me," the snake will argue.

"It doesn't have my skin color or tail."

And that just like this post, the snake will point out, it doesn't have the right humorous bite needed to make it truly funny.

I guess it's tough to wrap your mind around even the worst jokes posted in this forum.

Like this one.


Posted by: MistaMoe | January 5, 2011 9:35 PM | Report abuse

I guess it's tough to wrap your mind around even the worst jokes posted in this forum.

Like this one.


Posted by: MistaMoe | January 5, 2011 9:35 PM

Don't sell yourself short. This is one of the best snake jokes since Monty Python. Still laughing about that one.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 5, 2011 9:40 PM | Report abuse

I'd be OK with Vince Young. He wins games. He connects on short passes, medium range passes, and long passes. And he can run the ball. Not a lot of glamour. Kind of a personal F'up, but would patch a need for a few years assuming he could figure out Kyle Shanahan's progressions.

If we could get him for as little as Haynesworth, that would be lovely. Titans don't want VY. Skins don't want Haynesworth. Two teams with problems solved. Next up, Palestine.

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2011 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Vince Young is underrated. When he started and Titans were the underdogs, they were almost always winners against the spread. The guy can win games in the 4th quarter.

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2011 10:02 PM | Report abuse

However, McNabb had next to no trade value to begin with given his contract numbers.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 5, 2011 9:17 PM

This is not accurate. McNabb's contract is awesome for trading purposes. If he performs, he gets paid. If not, he doesn't. It is a very odd thing ... a performance-based contract. The lies that came out the day after it was signed are false. The actual contract is very good for marketing purposes.

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2011 10:06 PM | Report abuse

False lies. Scratch that ... damb redundantly repetitive double negatives ...

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2011 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Also, what is the difference btwn a widget and an app?

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2011 10:13 PM | Report abuse

iam gonna put it like this all the skins had to do was lose the jags game once they did that then they had a chance to get no6th overall pick in the first round that would have given them a better chance to trade up for luck because right now panthers need players in the worst way no matter what position so you offer then the sixth overall pick cooley and 3rd round pick nextyear and see if they bite if they don't then you go after blaine gibbert the missouri QB then in the second round you trade your second and fifth rounder for second and forth rounder this way you can make up at least on of the picks that you lost you use second round pick for a center someone like chase beeler from stanford and use the forth rounder on steven schilling from michigan that is on offense's needs as for what the defense needs the defense needs one ouside backer two inside backers no idsrespect to fletcher as for nose tackle i believe that anthony bryant is the nose but the problem is his age at 29 you use him for about next 3 seasons until you address your current needs right now, as for free safety you keep Kevin Barnes as your starter there also the skins have three back up safeties being strong or free no matter use them as bait to see what kind of pick you can get for them if you can get 3rd rouder fro each one do it.

Posted by: rmnkevorkian | January 5, 2011 10:13 PM | Report abuse

From ESPN:

Officials at the storied Georgia golf course, home to the annual Masters Tournament, announced Tuesday that Augusta National is joining forces with EA Sports to be part of its 2012 installment of the Tiger Woods PGA Tour golf game franchise. The game will go on sale March 29 and will be available on Wii, Xbox 360 and PlayStation consoles.

BFD. Screw the golf. We want to see the "Tiger's Babes" game. Unlike most games where the play adances from easy to challenging, every level in this game will be "hard". It will go from good to better to best. The first babe will be one of Tiger's neighbors, who may not be the most challenging babe but was the one that sealed the deal on his divorce since he never told his wife about her and she found out about it on her own. The game will end with the most challenging babe of all, the porn actress. For those golf aficionados who may feel slighted, there will be both a 9-hole version and, for the hammer happy, a 18-hole version as well. Hot diggity dog!

Posted by: TubularBells | January 5, 2011 10:15 PM | Report abuse

rmnk, that's asking a lot ... I mean all those words with no punctuation.

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2011 10:16 PM | Report abuse

From RI:

Should the Redskins rely on Luck?

Dudes. Why stop with that for Crissakes?

Will the Skins get shafted if they select Cam?

Will Locker be locked up when it is time for the Skins to select?

If the Skins select Mallett will they be nailing down a fran QB?

Posted by: TubularBells | January 5, 2011 10:25 PM | Report abuse

McNabb's contract is awesome for trading purposes. If he performs, he gets paid. If not, he doesn't. It is a very odd thing ... a performance-based contract. The lies that came out the day after it was signed are false. The actual contract is very good for marketing purposes.

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2011 10:06 PM

McNabb gets paid if he's on your roster on opening day -- a $10 million option bonus. The good part is that you can audition him through training camp and if he doesn't perform then you cut him. The bad part is that if he's on your 53-man roster he gets paid big money, whether he performs or not.

Now, in effect, you can cut him the day before you make up your roster and then negotiate a new contract with him since no one else will want to pick him up. But with McNabb you'll get a lot of attitude if you take this approach.

I don't think his contract is favorable for trading him.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5812371

Posted by: beep-beep | January 5, 2011 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: rmnkevorkian | January 5, 2011 10:13 PM |

Dude - all you had to say was that the Jack W, although a feel-good when it happened, cost us big in the draft pool. Sort of like getting preggers from a one nite stand.

Posted by: TubularBells | January 5, 2011 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Now, in effect, you can cut him the day before you make up your roster ...

Posted by: beep-beep | January 5, 2011 10:29 PM |

Shanny would certainly burnish his jerk-HC rep if he did that.

Posted by: TubularBells | January 5, 2011 10:42 PM | Report abuse

rmnk, that's asking a lot ... I mean all those words with no punctuation.

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2011 10:16 PM |

The real Jack used chemicals. This dude's preferred method is grammar deprivation.

Posted by: TubularBells | January 5, 2011 10:46 PM | Report abuse

One exception I had at the end of what you wrote -- I couldn't tell if you were serious about kicking Shanny upstairs for good. I think we all know in our hearts that the real Skins recovery won't begin in earnest until we have a real GM with real authority who isn't named Shanahan, Allen, Cerrato, Gibbs, or Snyder for that matter.

Posted by: Pepper5

I'm guessing Shanahan can be a good exec, but he has too many jobs and you can't spend 70 hours a week as HC and still be a good exec.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 5, 2011 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Vince Young is underrated. When he started and Titans were the underdogs, they were almost always winners against the spread. The guy can win games in the 4th quarter.

Posted by: dcsween | January 5, 2011 10:02 PM | Report abuse


VY might be a winner, but he is a head case. He has yet to mentally stay with it for a whole season. He might win you 5 or 6 games,but the other 10 games he will be flipping off the fans, taunting the crowd, or storming out of the locker room. He has ZERO mental maturity. I have seen enough of VY. Don't want him on our team.

Posted by: sweetsweetlou | January 5, 2011 11:16 PM | Report abuse

trade cooley and that ham samwich

Posted by: dmlopez1 | January 5, 2011 11:22 PM | Report abuse

VY can play. He won't play for Shanahan because he doesn't fit Shanahan's style.

More and more, this league is becoming about 2 kind of QBs. Those that can run very disciplined systems and those that can make plays when things don't go according to plan.

In the first category are guys like Brady and Peyton. Their mental checklist goes something like this:
option 1, option 2, option 3 (checkdown), throw it away. Usually the options are covered and the ball is gone within 2-3 seconds. They take the first option that looks good and its all timing. Most of these options are short, which requires very little time to develop. Results are few sacks, few turnovers and high completion %. Helps a ton that both guys can throw deep, because that opens up the shorter passes.

The second type of QB goes about it differently.
option 1, option to bail, option 2, bail.

By bail, I mean run out of the pocket. vick is the current prototype of this QB, McNabb was also this sort.

A lot of discussion of McNabb's 'mechanics' came this season. His mechanics aren't great for throwing a pass, but they are great for bailing out on the play and using athleticism to create something on the fly. When a play breaks down, athletic QBs can freelance and receivers (and RBs) often break wide open. Lots of big plays come from this.

There are some really good hybrid QBs. Aaron Rodgers is probably the best balance between the two types.

All QBs start with the designed play, but some freelance sooner than others. VY is clearly the sort that can freelance effectively. The best QBs hone themselves to be disciplined first and freelance as a last resort. HOF Steve Young is probably the best of these, he became great as he became disciplined. Yet he retained the ability to freelance, though he didn't use it often.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 5, 2011 11:57 PM | Report abuse

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/05/AR2011010507497.html?sid=ST2011010600004

the article covers which spots on defense will likely require a new starter in 2011. 2 of the 4 DBs, 2of the 4 LBs and 2 of the 3 DL. Meaning 6 new starters. That is about the number of holes a team can realistically fill in a year in their top 30 spots, not just the starting defense.

And oh yes, as much as I'd like it to, I'm quite certain that Fletcher won't last forever.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 6, 2011 1:02 AM | Report abuse

The actual unintended effect of any decent vet quarterback being released is that it weakens McNabb's value in trade.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 5, 2011 9:04 PM


Not necessarily...our old friend JLC was on NFLN last night saying that the Titans could be in the market for McNabb now that they're showing VY the road. Gotta think that since that team had a 4th rounder burning a hole in their pockets to the point they were willing to take back Albert "The Human Cancer" Haynesworth, they'd be willing to give up a similar pick for McNabb. I guess we'll see soon enough...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 6, 2011 5:23 AM | Report abuse

For those of you interested, the '91 Skins won the Superleague title on ESPN.com:

http://promo.espn.go.com/espn/promotions/nfl/superleague/

At least we're winning somewhere...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 6, 2011 5:57 AM | Report abuse

Wow, they really are taking this seriously...box score, recap and everything:

http://promo.espn.go.com/espn/promotions/nfl/superleague/?gameId=121

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 6, 2011 6:00 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of "old friends", brownwood, Greg Manusky seems to be on the list for head coach at Carolina:

In keeping with their theme of looking for a new coach with a defensive background, the Carolina Panthers have added Rob Ryan to their pool of candidates.

Ryan, the defensive coordinator of the Cleveland Browns this past season, interviewed for the job today, according to Michael Smith of ESPN. Ryan’s status with the Browns remains unknown after the team fired coach Eric Mangini on Monday.

The Panthers have three other defensive coordinators on their radar: San Diego’s Ron Rivera, the New York Giants’ Perry Fewell and the San Francisco 49ers’ Greg Manusky. No coaches with an offensive background have been identified as candidates to this point.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Panthers-search-sticking-with-defense.html

Never understood why the 'Skins let him leave, either as player or coach.

Posted by: beep-beep | January 6, 2011 6:25 AM | Report abuse

Wow, Beep...good find, dude. I had no idea Manusky had any ties to the Skins but sure enough he played here for 3 years and spent the Marty season as our LBs coach. Well done, sir.

But I think Carolina is sniffing around the wrong ex-Redskin...as much as I'd love to see him on our sideline, Russ Grimm is TOO perfect for that gig. He'll bring the blue collar toughness that Carolina wants and if he can get solid coordinators, he should be able to make them competitive fairly quickly.

Plus that owner has been trying since Day 1 to model his franchise after the Steelers...and Russ was a really good assistant in Pittsburgh for a good while. Also, Carolina used to be Redskins Country before the Panthers, so some of the older fans there should appreciate having a guy they probably rooted for back in the day.

There's literally no downside to that hire...can't believe Russ wasn't the first guy lined up for an interview...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 6, 2011 6:39 AM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | January 6, 2011 6:40 AM | Report abuse

How many draft picks??? ZERO, ZILCH, NADA!

How many players on the current roster? EVERYONE excwpt Orakpo, Williams, and Armstrong.

If there's a top QB at 10, take him. If not spend every pick you have to upgrade the OL and overall team speed.

WE NO LONGER HAVE THE LUXURY of being able to trade away multiple young bodies for one. I don't flippin care how good that one could be.

Posted by: kone | January 6, 2011 9:41 AM | Report abuse

We have 0% chance of getting Luck no matter what we trade - this whole topic is a waste of time.

Carolina is going to pick him - period.

Denver MIGHT let us trade into #2 if we want a QB but it would likely cost us our #1, #2 (2012) and some players.

Posted by: mac2j | January 6, 2011 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Mallet's one major weakness is his complete lack of mobility. He even looks uneasy stepping up into the pocket. IF you build him an outstanding O line with no weak links, he could do great things. I certainly wouldn't bet my number 10 pick on him, though.

Posted by: kenboy1 | January 7, 2011 1:36 PM | Report abuse

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