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Simeon Rice

When you cover the Redskins you expect to get a flood of emails whenever a big-name player is cut. And if he happens to be a D Lineman, or, in particular, a pass-rushing D end, well, forget about it.

So with Simeon Rice suddenly on the street, I was prepared for the influx of questions, and you guys didn't let me down. Okay, here's what I know. The Skins didn't rush into anything as soon as he was cut and there were no organization-wide discussions about Rice last night.

If they went solely on the reports scouts and coaches have on Rice, there would be significant concerns. His age, fitness, shoulder status (failed a physical with the Bucs), attitude in the locker room, and motivation on the field (seen as a guy who wants to get sacks and isn't worried about the team concept; a one-trick pony who doesn't do much against the run) would be major issues.

However, with this ownership/management team, you can never say never when a guy like Rice is on the street. And this case a little unique as many in the organization who have self-scouted the roster would admit the lack of an impact pass rusher is troubling. Now, is Rice still an elite force or is he someone who will be hit or miss chasing the QB and can only get on the field in certain third down situations?

Many in NFL circles would say he's closer to the hit or miss part, but, considering all he has accomplished in this game, it's hard to see Rice not wanting to be compensated like a star.

From Rice's perspective, some people close to him have the Redskins on the short list of teams they think might express interest. But, as I've said in the past, that's nothing new because there isn't an agent in the NFL who does not want the Skins in on any negotiation as the price tends to skyrocket. Also, some people close to Rice would tell you that the Bucs letting him go had much more to do with his $7 million base salary than his shoulder problem and that he is raring to go and could be a major boost to any roster he lands on.

So, what to make of all of this? Glad you asked.

My sense now, and, admittedly, we are crazy early in the whole process, is that the Skins will keep an eye on him, try to get a feel for his health and see where the money goes. I don't see them rushing in, setting the market or making a big push - I think Detroit and some other clubs will show the deepest interest - and I think there are a lot of people in the building here who would have reservations about brining in this guy now, so far along in the offseason. Would he be okay with being a situational guy? Would he fit in?

At the right price, who knows. And I know Simeon is a well spoken dude who could probably allay some fears in conversations with the team. It's an interesting scenario and one I will stay on top of to the best of my ability. I don't rate it a high likelihood as of this moment, but, again, these things have a way of swaying all over the place. Will post more as I gather it.

As for Landry, they were pretty far along last night, talking about escalators and bonuses. If the deal isn't completed by late this afternoon for any reason, I would be pretty surprised if it lasted more than another day. There was continued optimism on both sides as of very late last night.

By Jason La Canfora  |  July 27, 2007; 11:50 AM ET
 
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Rice won't sign quicly with any team.

1st!

Posted by: 4th | July 27, 2007 12:13 PM | Report abuse

2nd... failed a physical, why would we want him?

Posted by: JLin | July 27, 2007 12:15 PM | Report abuse

I say, stay away...I can envision Bruce Smith all over again.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 27, 2007 12:15 PM | Report abuse

I love this blog!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: andyp | July 27, 2007 12:15 PM | Report abuse

All we should worry about is getting L-Dub in camp. Forget the old man and let's see what Williams can throw together this year with what he has.

Go 'Skins!

Fight on!

Posted by: Big Murf | July 27, 2007 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Given his age and health, Rice is not an upgrade over Carter. Gregg Williams will be gun shy over one-dimensional talent after Archuletumscore.

Somebody better be playing catch with Carlos Rogers for the next few weeks.

Posted by: Mike H. | July 27, 2007 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Give any money they were thinking of giving to Rice, to Cooley instead. We need that guy long-term.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 27, 2007 12:17 PM | Report abuse

*Cough*, Bruce Smith, *Cough*

Posted by: Burg w/ a U | July 27, 2007 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Anyone here Mike Greenberg on ESPN radio this morning repeatedly saying that the Falcons might be interested in Mark RYPIEN? He clearly meant Brunell but he consistently said Rypien in two different segments.

Posted by: Mike H. | July 27, 2007 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Full Name: Simeon Rice
Born: February 24, 1974
Chicago, IL
Height: 6-5
Weight: 268 lbs.
Pronounced: SIM-ee-on
Age: 33
Pos: DE
Experience: 12 years
College: Illinois

3 sacks last year and played in only the 1st 8 games.

Verdicet is still out. We have cap room to sign him if he isn't trying to break the bank.

3 years, 15 Mil deal with a roster bonus of 6 Mil that will kick in year 2 and 3. Pay him only a salary of 2.5 mil this year (Whaddaya think Sween?)....

Posted by: 4th | July 27, 2007 12:21 PM | Report abuse

I too see Bruce Smith.... Either that or he would sack Brunell over and over on the sidelines during the game.

Posted by: Peter | July 27, 2007 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Rypien was on the sidelines at the Seattle playoff game, rocking a black leather jacket with a Redskins logo.

He looked like he was in playing shape.

Posted by: mugamack | July 27, 2007 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Hell, bring him in for a looksee at least. If he seems like he might have something left in the tank AND you can get him cheap, do it. Just don't go crazy and give him Archdeluxe-type money.

Posted by: skinswest | July 27, 2007 12:26 PM | Report abuse

John Kinkaid is destroying the skins on espn radio right now. I guess were in alot of trouble.

Posted by: Uncle Spence | July 27, 2007 12:38 PM | Report abuse

OK, Simeon Rice is younger than Bruce Smith was when we got him. Also prior to last year he had never missed a game do to injury. When he is healthy, Rice is an elite pass-rusher and he has become less one-dimensional in Tampa than he was early on in Arizona. If we could pick him up without breaking the bank, it would be a huge upgrade at a need position.

Posted by: SonicJones | July 27, 2007 12:40 PM | Report abuse

I doubt they're interested in Rice.

I remember Gibbs running Portis at him constantly in that game the 'Skins lost on the two point conversion in Tampa.

Seemed like they weren't too impressed with his run D.

Posted by: Cliff Huxtable | July 27, 2007 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Hes old and washed up. I'd rather have a developmental player on the roster than waste a spot on a guy whos way past his prime.

Good news on Landry though. Can't wait to see him out there with ST.

Posted by: Vishal | July 27, 2007 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Hes old and washed up. I'd rather have a developmental player on the roster than waste a spot on a guy whos way past his prime.

Good news on Landry though. Can't wait to see him out there with ST.

Posted by: Vishal | July 27, 2007 12:42 PM | Report abuse

So, here we have what's likely to be big time money for a guy that's probably only going to be a 3rd down DE? He's about ready to turn a 's' into a 't' in 'pass rusher'. We got enough of those already.

SJK it, drive on.

Posted by: FlimFlam | July 27, 2007 12:44 PM | Report abuse

what is a "patt ruther"

Posted by: gethanr13 | July 27, 2007 12:49 PM | Report abuse

beep beep. new post

Posted by: Anonymous | July 27, 2007 12:50 PM | Report abuse

"Hes old and washed up."

Old and washed up like Phillip Daniels or old and washed up like Renaldo Wynn? He's an upgrade compared to either of them.

Posted by: reality | July 27, 2007 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Pass rushers are born not made. the questions are motovation and health. at this point given our derth of pass rushing DE's you got to a least talk with him. but be careful he nodoubthe wants Big $ and or to play for him a team he thinks has a shot.

Posted by: Old School | July 27, 2007 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Simeon Rice's career stats.

96-sacks 12.5, FF 1
97-sacks 5.0, FF 1
98-sacks 10.0, FF 1
99- 16.5, 5
00- 7.5, 1
01- 11.0, 2
02- 15.5, 6
03- 15.0, 6
04- 12.0, 1
05- 14.0, 6

121 career sacks, 34 fumbles forced

Who was the last Redskin to post doulble didgit sacks in a season?

Posted by: SonicJones | July 27, 2007 12:57 PM | Report abuse

If Detroit is also involved in the bidding for Rice, I say let's move on. He is worth taking a shot on at the right price, but if Millen drives the price up we should forget about it.
Plus, rumor has it that Strahan is unhappy with the Giants. Let's get Jason to start working on how many draft picks Snyder would be willing to trade to get him here.

Posted by: Matt | July 27, 2007 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Why would we trade picks to a division rival when there is some one already out on the street?

Posted by: 4th | July 27, 2007 1:07 PM | Report abuse

for the right contract (i.e., nothing guaranteed beyond this year unless he hits certain performance marks) and the understanding that he'll be a situational pass rusher unless he proves otherwise, I'd go for him.

we set the record for least amount of sacks last year, people!

Posted by: CMoney | July 27, 2007 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Do not overpay this guy, weve been burned in the past by this, only offer him a deal if the price is right.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 27, 2007 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Last year was the ONLY YEAR he was hurt. He's KILLED US everytime we've played them. SIGN HIM!!!!!!!

Posted by: RANDO | July 27, 2007 1:16 PM | Report abuse

We need help anyway.We paying eveyone let try him.

Posted by: LIMPY PAUL | July 27, 2007 1:20 PM | Report abuse

I agree, we should sign him if we can get him for a modest contract. Do you really think either Phillip Daniels or Renaldo Wynn are even a threat to get close to 10 sacks?

Posted by: KB | July 27, 2007 1:25 PM | Report abuse

I like Rice, if he takes $3M, lets add him.

I like the idea of getting a Falc's draft pick in 2008 for Brunel too, good riddance, too old, too short to see and throw over the middle, brittle, etc.

Bradford joins the other talllish ex-Niner WR we signed, all pushing Espy. My sense of things is that Gibby is looking to go 4-0 in the pre-season and lot of these vet minimum tall targets are going to be catching TD's from Bramlet as Al Saunders flashes some 4 wide looks in pre-season to get opposing D-coordinators thinking.

Posted by: DTC | July 27, 2007 1:31 PM | Report abuse

ok can any of you guys name any threat (besides ANDRE CARTER) THAT IS A THREAT TO THE OPPOSING QUARTERBACK? HE WOULD DO WELL HERE AND IF HE DOESN'T HE WOULD DO WELL WITH ANY OF OUR RIVALS ASWELL

Posted by: DIEGO75 | July 27, 2007 1:32 PM | Report abuse

ok can any of you guys name any threat (besides ANDRE CARTER) THAT IS A THREAT TO THE OPPOSING QUARTERBACK? HE WOULD DO WELL HERE AND IF HE DOESN'T HE WOULD DO WELL WITH ANY OF OUR RIVALS ASWELL

Posted by: DIEGO75 | July 27, 2007 1:32 PM | Report abuse

It is time for skins management to be crafty! As I hear Simeon is a guy that likes to be motivated. Try signing him to a low base salary with atainable bonuses.
Instead of throwing a boat load of money at him,if he doesnt like it let him fine somewhere else to go.

Posted by: Brian E, Bronx,N.Y | July 27, 2007 1:32 PM | Report abuse

This is an obvious signing. Even if he doesn't play every down, who does on our Dline? Carter and Griffin, that's it. Sign him cut someone who has a bad camp. It is that simple, i don't care if he plays only in passing situations it will be worth it.

Posted by: Ryan | July 27, 2007 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Stay away. Skin's fans have become so accustomed to signing any free agent that we never get to find out about other talent. I like what Dan has done this year and not brought in any big time names with big time contracts and let the team play as a team for more than one year.
Go Skins.

Posted by: Davey | July 27, 2007 1:40 PM | Report abuse

last year, s rice was hurt and disinterested after they fell out of the playoff race. all indications are his release yesterday had more to do with salary and rice's refusal to take a pay cut. that's why they drafted gaines adams who coincidentally signed the same day. the bucs did this with perennial ncf all pro safety john lynch a few years ago and he's been to 1 or 2 pro bowls in denver. he supposedly failed a buc physical when they asked him to take a pay cut. rice may have 2 good years left in the tank and he's definitely an upgrade over daniels and wynn if we can get him for the right price...backload the deal a bit so it doesn't hurt the cap. his old d coordinator is head man in detroit and t dungy might also take a look if he can put him opposite d freeney.

Posted by: G$ | July 27, 2007 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Bruce Smith gave us more pressure in his twilight than any one last year. Rice would help out tremendously in 3rd down ( could spell Daniels on passing downs ) If the $ is right we should pounce.. D Line is the only position with no depth.

Posted by: cwprice | July 27, 2007 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Are you guys thinking, fight fire with fire.

Maybe Rice's attitude can offset Bllyods attitude. Two negatives make a positive.

Rice is a one dimensional pass rusher - looking out for himself. He gets ate up on the run.

I say - stay away. But as Jc puts it, you just never know with this team.

Plus, wouldn't this go against the defensive mindset - our pass rush is ok, it was our lack of coverage not getting to the qb. (??????, this still boggles me)

We need to find a dexter manley/charles mann combo in the drafts. Of course, we just deal with what we got now. Increase the coverage. I'm willing to bet, we get great coverage for 4-5 seconds then someone will be wide open. Can 4-5 seconds allow our dline to make a sack? Not if the stay in the predetermined lanes and get held fast.

Last year we held on first and second downs, the had the stupid 5yd hold or 5 yd illegal contact for auto1st or the bonehead personal foul, auto1st. And the occasional bigplay td.


I'm worried about our defense. But Rice isn't the answer, imo.

Posted by: Hbrg Fan | July 27, 2007 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Sonic, you are right about smith/rice comparison, except I think Bruce wanted to win more after not winning 4 super bowls. he had a team mentality. Rice, not so much. We already have Brandon L and do not need another ticking time bomb.

Posted by: Burg w/ a U | July 27, 2007 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Lots of views...fun to read...Dan has the pocketbook and Joe makes the call.. lets hope they do the correct thing ( for a change ).. I like the small base with
very well financed goals... MONEY still talks....

Posted by: RonB | July 27, 2007 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Save the money! The last thing we need is to be saddled with an over-the-hill/used up defensive lineman who will eat up cap space for several years (hello Daniels!).

Unless Rice is looking for a one year deal (which I'd imagine he isn't), we should avoid this at all costs.

Is he an upgrade over Wynn and Daniels? Probably. Is he worth the cost? Absolutely not.

Posted by: Hrabanmaur | July 27, 2007 1:54 PM | Report abuse

This one isn't that difficult to figure out. Brian E/Bronx has it right. The idea is to play it right. The intention for the Skins going in is that they ONLY need to be able to rely on him for situational passing downs (including more snaps against pass-happy teams). Right now, the idea is NOT to express any interest BECAUSE of what the agents are thinking, i.e., about how the Skins pay too much. [Rosenhaus/Briggs USED the Skins to determine what the market would bear at a time of high market uncertainty/newly signed CBA.]

Wait till he's ready to sign with someone. Find out the total dollar sign. Use that number, but re-jigger the number for a two year contact that is all performance bonuses. If he signs, then Demetric Evans becomes a cap casualty b/c Rice would need to be viewed as the guy who plays when Evans plays.

Posted by: dcsween | July 27, 2007 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Even in a best case scenario, Simeon Rice would be a productive 3d down pass rusher for a couple of years, maybe contributing a win or two per year. And then what? The Skins would have the same problem all over again. Looking for quick fixes has killed the Redskins since 1992. They've never been willing to build up a core of solid and compatible young players through painstaking (and sometimes painful) long-term draft selections. In the long run the draft is the only way to go. The salary cap and free-agency rules mean that it's no longer possible to rely on trades and free-agency deals to build up a durable contender. The Redskins should look to the Nationals as a model for team building.

Posted by: DWI | July 27, 2007 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Lovin' the skins talk, can't believe we start today. I think our kicker is awesome! Hail.

Posted by: DUGAN | July 27, 2007 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Ah, forget about Rice. Let the cheerleaders go nude on the sidelines and I gaurantee we will win every game plus the super bowl!

Posted by: me | July 27, 2007 2:21 PM | Report abuse

==========
Bruce Smith gave us more pressure in his twilight than any one last year. Rice would help out tremendously in 3rd down ( could spell Daniels on passing downs ) If the $ is right we should pounce.. D Line is the only position with no depth.
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Bruce Smith rushed the passer like Mark Brunell drops back - both can never run too deep in the backfield.

I think Simeon is a me-first cancer that is tolerated because of his tremendous skills at rushing the passer. Although the Skins are likely interested, there is interest is probably at such a relatively low level that I'd bet that some other team will be willing to pony up more than the Skins would.

Posted by: bobzmuda | July 27, 2007 2:25 PM | Report abuse

If Rice is nothing more than a "situational pass rusher", isn't it fair to also say that Daniels and Wynn are nothing more than "Run Stuffing" DE's.
Bring him in!

Posted by: Matt | July 27, 2007 2:31 PM | Report abuse

84th!!!!

Well I just wanted to be like the idiots who always have a hard on about posting 1st or 2nd.

Posted by: Brian | July 27, 2007 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Skins bloggers,

Congratulations on surviving another offseason. Let the games begin.

Cryptic quote from Portis on Redskins.com about minding his business. I'm taking in two ways: first, Portis is out for blood this year. Second, the team might be somewhat fragmented. Maybe he is uncomfortable with all the Betts talk. Maybe he feels like he got burned with the Vick comments. I hope he's not dropping hints that all is not well at Redskins Park generally.

Posted by: Portishead | July 27, 2007 2:49 PM | Report abuse

There's ABSOLUTELY NO WAY they should sign that dude!! Why would you want to sign someone who just FAILED A PHYSICAL with another teamn???! PA-PLEEZE STAY AWAY FROM RICE!!

LET'S GO SKINS!!

Posted by: BigD | July 27, 2007 2:50 PM | Report abuse

the failed physical was the bucs excuse used to cut the guy. word is the shoulder's 90+ % healed and was rearing to go. signing gaines adams had rice ready to prove some things. the guy has a swagger and proclaims to be the best then goes out and puts up sack numbers. who cares if he's less adept at run stoppage. phil daniels and andre carter didn't exactly shut down every run to their side or run down backs from the other. and what gets me about phil daniels was when the losses mounted, he was in every post story last year being quoted talking about how much talent the d had and how he couldn't quite figure out the drop off and better days were ahead. nobody on our d should have been saying anything... and speaking of home grown talent, we had a guy we let go named ron warner who was pretty good in 04 - 05 who we let go. he showed burst off the ball and some pressure that yr the d ended up #3 overall. gholston is home grown talent also.

Posted by: G$ | July 27, 2007 3:53 PM | Report abuse

"Plus, rumor has it that Strahan is unhappy with the Giants. Let's get Jason to start working on how many draft picks Snyder would be willing to trade to get him here."

Strahan is way over-the-hill too. You'd be better off going for Rice at least there wouldn't be any draft picks involved. I'd bring back LaVar and try
him out before I went for those guys.

Posted by: periculum | July 27, 2007 5:42 PM | Report abuse

FYI: Don't call Black people well-spoken.

Posted by: jimmy | July 28, 2007 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Isn't this the bottom line, though...

Can we all agree that we don't have anyone currently on the roster who can be expected to consistently put pressure on the quarterback?

And - unfortunately - DEs that can apply pressure on the quarterback don't grow on trees.

You can argue all day about the best manner in which to build a team... but what do we do now?

Are you comfortable with what you have? Can we expect someone else out there will become available?

Pass rushing DEs have become like hen's teeth - that's why they're being drafted so high and starting to get quarterback type money.

But that's just the half of it. I don't care what level of football you play, I still think it comes down to being able to run the ball and stop the run.

Can we consistently stop the run with what we have?

I guess we'll see...

Posted by: jmc | July 28, 2007 2:25 PM | Report abuse

We should get ,Hes a bigger up grade than Daniels .

Posted by: Dman | July 30, 2007 2:34 AM | Report abuse

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