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Sizing Up Cerrato

Cindy linked to it already, but I wanted to make sure all the RI faithful saw the Jasons' piece on Vinny Cerrato today.

The story recounts the Cerrato era so far in Washington and raises a few questuions about his performance. It also gives credit -- for instance, for the free-agent signings before the '07 season.

But what do you think -- let's have a poll, noting up front that it's *completely* unscientific and easy for someone to game ... explain your answer in the comments.

By Jon DeNunzio  |  September 4, 2008; 11:04 AM ET
 
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Comments

Fist play:

3 Wide, with Cooley in the slot

A go route to Moss for 40yards

Posted by: Great One | September 4, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

17 votes and zero "Definitely" so far. Way to inspire confidence Vinny.

Posted by: RambleOn | September 4, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

SECOND!

Posted by: Normally first | September 4, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Was actually third!

Posted by: Normally first | September 4, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

and fourth and fifth!!!

Posted by: Normally first | September 4, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

For the love of God, can we grade his first draft before we grade him? That's like grading the Redskins performance in tonights game NOW. Post this question in 2010!

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 4, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Da Skinz.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 4, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

JDN,
We can re-vote every time we refresh the page. Can you fix that it will lead to a tamperd ballot.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 4, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Da Skinz.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 4, 2008 11:12 AM

Da Dork.

Posted by: You are | September 4, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Vinny made a bunch of mistakes and no one really knows how much Synder and Gibbs controlled everything the last 4 years. As JLC Wrote a few months ago its offical the Vinny Era. So far I think it has been okay. Zorn has something about him that quite confidence, its is a bit old school Tom Landry (I hate the Guy but good coach). I also think the rookies will turn out to be good especially Sleepy boy Fred Davis. Tonight will show what the team thinks, they need to match the intensity and show what they are made of.

Posted by: Doitwell | September 4, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone know of any spots in the Boston area where 'Skins fans will be gathering tonight? I just moved here from PDX in April so this is my first 'Skins game in the new digs and would love to watch it with fellow fans.

I looked on Hogs.net and they recommended the Coolidge Corner Clubhouse in Brookline...

Any suggestions would be appreciated!

Hail!

Posted by: Beantown (aka Stumptown) Chris | September 4, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

brown, you nailed it.

I'm not sure how you can't say it seems they're headed in the right direction. They focused on the draft, they traded back and added more picks, they stayed away from adding free agents during free agency.

Honestly, they have a game tonight, can't we get anything about that??

We get it, Jla and Vinny don't like each other, but linking that article AGAIN, is somewhat over the top.

Posted by: Greg | September 4, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

We'll also get a survey to grade Jim Zorn's first year on the job, Jason Campbell's grasp of the new offense, and Sarah Palin's @ss. Oh wait, one of those we CAN grade now...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 4, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

The thing I like about Vinnny for now is that his best years in SF he was geting players for a WC offence, and one of the HC's was a Holmgrin man. I think he is trying to set up a team like he had those years in a formula he used in the past.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 4, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

How about we don't grade Vinny AT ALL! At least not yet. I mean damn, we haven't ran one F'n play from scrimmage and
we're already "Sizing up Cerrato"?

Why?

I'm giving a "Definitely" just because.

Put down the fluids. This pissing contest is beyond redundant and old.

Posted by: Red of the DMV | September 4, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

COLT will lead us to a superbowl in the next 5 years

Posted by: Colt Koolaid | September 4, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

I think this season is likely to be a tough one - I can easily see us starting off 1-4, maybe even 0-5 if things snowball (although we really should beat the Cardinals in DC). But a down season might not be a terrible thing. Zorn needs to get his feet wet as a head coach, the rookies need to get healthy and get up to speed, and we need another influx of talent - particularly along the O-line, D-line, and at LB - next year. I feel like this will be a rocky year, but that the team will be better for it down the line. Maybe not next year, but by Zorn's third year we should, hopefully, have a team that doesn't just compete to make the playoffs, but is actually built to do something real.

Posted by: Ootek1 | September 4, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Everything in sports is always "What do you think about the job so-and-so has done before so-and-so has really done any job at all"


I picked the second one, whatever it was. Should be a "too early to tell" choice for logical people

Posted by: The Truth | September 4, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

+++Tuck showed he could be a beast to handle on the inside as a rookie last year, and teammates believe he can be even more disruptive on the edge.+++

----from the previous post----


It is a lot easier to be a "beast" with Strahan and Uminuminuminyuminyyoouura (sic) on the same like. No offense to him, but it will be interesting to see how he fares being the lead dog.

Posted by: cej75024 | September 4, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Da Skinz.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 4, 2008 11:12 AM

Da Dork.

Posted by: You are | September 4, 2008 11:14 AM

So true

Posted by: Dave R. | September 4, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

re: refreshing and re-voting. I can't fix that. Like I said, it's completely and utterly unscientific. But kind of fun, no?

And to defend myself -- the question is "Does Cerrato have the team on the right path?" This is not a final grade, just a "how do you think it's going so far?" If we as bloggers and blog commenters can't ask and answer this question, what's the point of having a blog?

Jon

Posted by: Jon DeNunzio | September 4, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

New Poll


SIZING UP S. PALIN

Posted by: cej75024 | September 4, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

The Jason squared article was a joke. I'm sorry, but unless you work within the organization you can't print sh*t like this. You have no idea what REALLY happens or goes on during a given day or during a given offseason. Throughout the article they constantly quote these phantom "sources" or "nlf executives". It's ridiculous! We all know that beat reporters are always searching for material, but today's article on Vinny was a freakin' reach! IMO.

Posted by: Chris | September 4, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Probably should have an "guardedly optimistic" choice as well or "incomplete, ask me in three years" choice. This is the first year of him being "the man" so it's impossible to judge him without them even playing a regular season game, much less a season. All 10 of his draft picks made the team whether you agree with it or not (Tryon was the only question mark in my book - and not by much). Tough to be unhappy with him as the GM just yet IMO.

Posted by: skinswest | September 4, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

does anyone seriously care about Vinny Cerrato on OPENING FREAKING DAY!!!!!!!

That siht is what off season is for....cover the mother loving game already....jaysis

Prediction on star of the game:

The return of Sanatan Moss baby!!!! Bright lights big numbers!

Posted by: chrIS lArry | September 4, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

So true

Posted by: Dave R. | September 4, 2008 11:24 AM

I am posting on a blog. So I guess you're right.

Posted by: 35332 | September 4, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Well, he absolutely blew it in this year's draft. So that's not a good thing for his resume. The receivers we got that were suppposed to give good red zone targets are utterly useless.

Posted by: Ryan | September 4, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

"Sizing Up Cerrato" - I clicked on this thinging it was going to be a tale of the tape for the all out rumble for Washington supremacy between JLC and Cerrato...rather dissapointed, not gonna lie.

Posted by: ng1055 | September 4, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

And to defend myself -- the question is "Does Cerrato have the team on the right path?" This is not a final grade, just a "how do you think it's going so far?" If we as bloggers and blog commenters can't ask and answer this question, what's the point of having a blog?

Posted by: Jon DeNunzio | September 4, 2008 11:26 AM

That's still a question for the offseason in 2009. You can be on the right path and still go 6-10 this year. Not to tell you how to do your job, but wouldn't it be more in tune with the day to poll a prediction for tonight's game? Just sayin'...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 4, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

This shows how much of a slant that article took against the Redskins.

They quoted Frost, who blasted the team.

However, if you dissected it like the Times did, this is what you'd have come up with:

"Speaking of punters, the Redskins have a new one - rookie Durant Brooks, one of their sixth-round draft picks. Brooks won out over incumbent Derrick Frost, a move that was much questioned in some quarters. Well, at least one.

Here's my take on it: In four NFL seasons, Frost never finished higher than 11th in his conference in either gross or net average. At bottom, he's a semi-reliable, below-average mediocrity. If the club thinks it can do better with Brooks, whose net average in the preseason was 34.5 yards to Frost's 32.3, why not give him a shot? Heck, choices like these - youthful potential over veteran ordinariness - are made every year ... by every team"

There you go. They replaced someone who was less than mediocre in hopes of improving, and the guy who was less than mediocre was pissed. However, because he took a cheap shot at the team, he's quoted.

You can't argue with this, its plain as day....the axe continues to be ground...

Posted by: Greg | September 4, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Like I posted on the previous blog, I was very surprised to read an article on Vinny who has stated NUMEROUS times that he will NEVER give even a "quote" to the Washington Post (aka JLC).

Posted by: Lisa | September 4, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

heck'of a post brownie...I agree %100!!!!!

Posted by: chrIS lArry | September 4, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

+++But what do you think -- let's have a poll, noting up front that it's *completely* unscientific and easy for someone to game ... explain your answer in the comments.++


I understand that you want to draw eyes to the story. But knowing in advance that the poll can and thus WILL be "gamed" why bother with it?

Posted by: Corkczar | September 4, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

When you have late round/undrafted young players contributing on your team, your GM (or equivalent) is doing something right.

Golston, Montgomery, Heyer, Doughty, Blades are just a few who look like great finds (don't remember if Doughty was a Cerrato pick or here before).

Moves like bringing in Fletcher, Kendell worked out and were based more out of need than a desire for a news splash. I think they are on the right track again this year with Jason Taylor (still a news story but the move more "need" based and a great value).

Posted by: Paul S | September 4, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

OOe;

I hope you are correct about that Cards game, just locked in my tix for it....Never have worn my ST jersey to a game. THink i will get a towel there if they have one.

Maybe I should burn my LA Jersey, my Ramsey jersey (yes I musta been drunk when I ordered that... drunck on koolaid), and my Champ jersey.

I always figured I could frame the #11 and have it front facing and say it is Rypien, and I will frame the 24, prolly not the 56 now....

Posted by: Zebra | September 4, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Ok here is a poll on Zorn.

How do you feel about the cut of Zorn's jib?
A. Any man who hikes with a bowstaff don't get s*** from me.
B. He sure does like to throw things at his players in practice doesn't he.
C. Live by the QB die by the QB.
D. Johnny U called he wants his hair back.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 4, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

SIZING UP S. PALIN

Posted by: cej75024 | September 4, 2008 11:29 AM

Giggety, giggety. Alllriiight!

Posted by: Glen Quagmire | September 4, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Lisa, thats hogwash, he will talk when it suits him...thats all just gamesmanship on all sides....

BUT WHO CARES!!!!!!! punters and GMS on the first game of the year....???

Can I get a profile on the equipment manager...how about an update on the Giants surgeon???

This blog is becoming tone deaf....

Posted by: chrIS lArry | September 4, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

The easiest thing to do in sports is blame ONE person....coach, owner, FO, etc.

As in any business, often times, failings come from several directions. True enough, the leader of the organization sets the pace. However, coaching strategy, player performance, and injuries play a huge part.

Is is his fault that Santana can't stay healthy? His fault that Coach Joe had Ladell in the game on 4th and goal in the first Jints game?

I realize Vinny has made mistakes, but to lay blame on him alone is a mistake. IMHO

Posted by: cej75024 | September 4, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

I looked on Hogs.net and they recommended the Coolidge Corner Clubhouse in Brookline...

Chris - All of the places listed on Hogs.net are general sports bars that probably show a couple of games. They'll all be showing the game tonight. I'm not sure where there are gatherings of Skins fans though. I've been toying with the thought of setting up a gathering of my own. Haven't done it though.

Posted by: BCBarney | September 4, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

For something GAME RELATED check out this from yahoo sports:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=Aj2O1BdZ8G5WWzqna4O8Rjs5nYcB?slug=ap-redskins-giants&prov=ap&type=lgns

I didn't know that there wasn't any audibles in the offense under Gibbs or at least last season anyway.

Posted by: Red of the DMV | September 4, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

This blog is becoming tone deaf....

Posted by: chrIS lArry | September 4, 2008 11:41 AM

huh...what did you say?

Posted by: cej75024 | September 4, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Key to da game ...

Intensity.

If the defense comes out with the type of intensity they had at the end of last season, we win. Its the same guys with most of the same coaches.

This team had great chemistry to close out last season. Does it carry over? To me, that is THE most important aspect of this game ... and will decide who wins.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 4, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

I keep thinking about the fact they kept ten DLmen. What are they going to do with them? Was this to bolster STs? Are some of the speed guys going in at LB on passing downs?

Posted by: skinfanman | September 4, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

@ Greg : Exactly. If Frost had any sort of a brain, he should've asked for his release immediately after they drafted Durant. Unless that kid completely fell on his face, he was going to be the guy going into the season. Frost was kidding himself to think otherwise.

Posted by: ng1055 | September 4, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

.

+++

Sarah Palin is HOT.

HTTR

Posted by: Kelli Johnson is Hot | September 4, 2008 10:55 AM+++

So is Kucinich's Old Lady. But I wouldn't want her to be Veep, either.

Posted by: Johnny Mac starin' at Palin's Caboose | September 4, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

So, Cerrato is basically mediocre at his job and neither the paragon of virtue that the Snyderbots up here would have us believe nor the evil incarnate that Jasno believes. Ho hum.

Keys to the game (sponsored by Joe Theismann):
1. Score more points than the Giants
2. Beat the Giants defense
3. Muzzle the Giants offense

Posted by: P Diddy | September 4, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Tub of Twizzlers, dude. Tub of Twizzlers.

Posted by: Never Forget | September 4, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

f punters...

10 DL were kept b/c we are rotating deep this year and taking a fresh legs, attack the QB approach!!!!! or at least I hope so...

Posted by: chrIS lArry | September 4, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

+++This team had great chemistry to close out last season. Does it carry over?

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 4, 2008 11:43 AM+++

I don't know, Al. That may not be able to be recreated. I think the chemistry came from the emotion of ST.

Posted by: cej75024 | September 4, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Chris Larry, it is NOT hogwash - Vinny despises JLC (and the Post). He talks to other media outlets - just not the Post.

Posted by: Lisa | September 4, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

+++For the love of God, can we grade his first draft before we grade him? That's like grading the Redskins performance in tonights game NOW. Post this question in 2010!

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 4, 2008 11:11 AM+++

Excellent point. But who wants to live in a world devoid of rampant speculation based on faulty or non-existent information?

Posted by: Corkczar | September 4, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

So is Kucinich's Old Lady. But I wouldn't want her to be Veep, either.

Posted by: Johnny Mac starin' at Palin's Caboose | September 4, 2008 11:45 AM
Can't she is British, but 300% hoter than Palin. + the more liberal a woman is, the better in bed. I did a series of tests in college.

Posted by: 35332 | September 4, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Diddy -- forgot 4. outplay the Giants special teams

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 4, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

JLC is a petty school girl. Vinny is not even speaking to JLC but we continue to get the post about Vinny. I could see if Vinny said something about JLC and he wanted to defend himself or take a shot back, but Vinny isnt even speaking to him.

Let it go,

Posted by: Great One | September 4, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

OK Lisa sure......so he didnt talk to Mike Wise for that column a few weeks back...he says one thing and does another...don't kid yourself...if he thinks it will be a positive he will talk to and leak to post...if it behooves him to bash the post he will....sound familiar? Its all game its not personal...

Posted by: chrIS lArry | September 4, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Check out this guy Mitch Fatel... HI larious

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lkt9zMpV7CA

Posted by: Zebra | September 4, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Excellent point. But who wants to live in a world devoid of rampant speculation based on faulty or non-existent information?

Posted by: Corkczar | September 4, 2008 11:48 AM

not me

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 4, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

We'll also get a survey to grade... Sarah Palin's @ss. Oh wait, one of those we CAN grade now...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 4, 2008 11:18 AM

Now THAT, McCain has been carefully vetting.

Posted by: Corkczar | September 4, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

In light of the earlier RI post on James Thrash, here is a great article and interview with Thrash concerning his faith in Christ: http://www.cbn.com/entertainment/sports/700club_jamesthrash040705.aspx

It helps us to get a glimpse into what motivates him to do what he does. Great stuff. Enjoy!

Posted by: Brian Francis Hume | September 4, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone know of any spots in the Boston area where 'Skins fans will be gathering tonight? I just moved here from PDX in April so this is my first 'Skins game in the new digs and would love to watch it with fellow fans.

I looked on Hogs.net and they recommended the Coolidge Corner Clubhouse in Brookline...

Any suggestions would be appreciated!

Hail!

Posted by: Beantown (aka Stumptown) Chris | September 4, 2008 11:17 AM

--------
This is where I went to catch the Skins game when I had to go up to Boston to take my son to the childrens hospital at Harvard. It's just a regular sports bar that showed several games. I think I was the only Skins fan in there. It wasn't a bad place though.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

ugh...this joint aint fun....please more Cerratto talk


Posted by: chrIS lArry | September 4, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

It's probably already been said, but what about "too early to tell" as an option.

We really won't be able to fully judge until midway through the season...

Posted by: Dik | September 4, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Like that we are playing the 1st game of the year on Thursday. It'll give us advantages for week 2. More time to make adjustments and for dings to heal up for the next game.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 4, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

So what will everyone be eating and drinking tonihgt?

I have: a 4 meat pizza & shrimp sauted in garlic and olive oil. Bottle of Red Lable.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 4, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Oh how we love to criticize. Yesterday JLaC puts up a post bragging on what a nice guy James Thrash is and everybody is quick to agree. Today he says what a nice guy Stephon Heyer is and he's getting slammed for it. I understand that the vinny article was not written through burgundy glasses, but why crucify the guy for saying something NICE about one of the players? For cripes sake!!!!????

Posted by: dlhaze | September 4, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

+++How about we don't grade Vinny AT ALL! At least not yet. I mean damn, we haven't ran one F'n play from scrimmage and
we're already "Sizing up Cerrato"?

Why?

Posted by: Red of the DMV | September 4, 2008 11:22 AM+++

Maybe because he's been joined at the hip with Snyder ever since Danny bought the team?

+++This pissing contest is beyond redundant and old.+++

yeah well, so am I.

Offered with respect and not even a drop of urine.

Posted by: Corkczar | September 4, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

the Cerrato vote says it all. Only about 10% are on either end, most everyone falls into the category of 'not sure'.

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 4, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Andy poulin was just saying on the radio that Vinny will not talk to JLC, no wander he hates the Skins FO so much. The team told JLC if he wants to interview Vinny someone else has to ask the questions.

Posted by: kmdp4


Another example of the immaturity in the FO imho. All sides need to grow up and be men, not pouty little boys. We'd be all over a player if they refused to address the media the way VC does. I think he stinks personally. Time will tell about the latest draft, but two receivers and a TE when both lines need help desperatley?

Posted by: rigginsrules! | September 4, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Who think's JLC is a total friggin' Hater?

A. Definitely

B. Without a doubt

C. Does he do anything else?

D. Of course, who doesn't?

Posted by: poll by twiigs.com | September 4, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Have to agree with CL... on opening day I can give two shtis about the front office.
The latest Cerrato article is largely irrelevant to tonight's game (the drafted rookies will get very little playing time). No one cares right now.

Most Post readers want sports analysis on game day, not another off-topic soap opera a la "As the Cerrato Turns"

Please focus on your reader's interests, not your personal agendas.

Posted by: SCSkins | September 4, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Red of the DMV | September 4, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

I am at a wedding (en route in the car to the ferry that will take us to the island right now...the miracle of Spring Mobile Broadband).

This is the first "first-class" wedding I've ever been to. The bride's dad is loaded and is paying for everything. The engagement party had some of the best wine I've ever had (including a case of some rare Shiraz that I had only had in Sydney that he flew over to pick up for the party).

The groom is a diehard Giants fan. All the groomsmen are gathering tonight to watch the game, and the bride's dad is catering it for us. I asked for buffalo wings and some Parson's Flat Shiraz-Cab.

If the 'Skins lose, I need to sing at the rehearsal dinner.

Posted by: P Diddy | September 4, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

+++This shows how much of a slant that article took against the Redskins. They quoted Frost, who blasted the team.+++

Ah yes. five pages of article, almost all highly respectful of Mr. Cerrato, and you, naturally pick one negative item to claim it's "slanted." That's not journalism on your part, that's naked advocacy.

Would have been the same thing had an ANTI-Cerrato type cherry-picked his old boss's quotes, who claimed Vinny was a freakin' genius, and said it was biased FOR Cerrato.


+++However, if you dissected it like the Times did, this is what you'd have come up with:

"Speaking of punters, the Redskins have a new one - rookie Durant Brooks, one of their sixth-round draft picks.+++

The Times? More like Redskins.Com. You have confused a public relations function with journalism, specifically interpretive journalism.

Lots of people here whine that JLA doesn't report enough inside info. What if he had merely reported Brooks was there and Frost gone? Then the fusilade would have been "JLA has NO sources. he doesn't even know why the 'skins picked one guy over another."

JLA interviewed a cut punter. He was bitter. That's news and was so reported.

In Flackthinkland, that would be ignored for some vanilla, non-informative tripe like you suggest.

Yeah, there are time when Jasno is bitter and less than objective.

But the Cerrato piece was fair and, er, balanced.

Posted by: Corkczar | September 4, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

but why crucify the guy for saying something NICE about one of the players? For cripes sake!!!!????

Posted by: dlhaze | September 4, 2008 11:54 AM

Because it's all personalized. Heyer was nice to me THEREFORE he is a nice guy. He had praise for Thrash not because he was nice to him in the locker room, but because he was doing a genuinely nice thing for kids and he's long had the reputation of being an exceptional individual. Big difference. Life isn't always that black and white.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 4, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

++k here is a poll on Zorn.

How do you feel about the cut of Zorn's jib?
A. Any man who hikes with a bowstaff don't get s*** from me.
B. He sure does like to throw things at his players in practice doesn't he.
C. Live by the QB die by the QB.
D. Johnny U called he wants his hair back.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 4, 2008 11:41 AM+++


Good stuff, Alex. I vote "E" al of the above.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

NEW POLL:

Let's say a certain RI fan is considering the over/under at 41 points. Let's say he happened to have a few extar dollars in his pocket. What would you choose???

a. over
b. under
c. call that help line on the bottom of the webpage

Posted by: cej75024 | September 4, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Does JLC have the Redskin Insider on the right path?

A. Defintely

B. Looks better theses days

C. I have significant doubts

D. No way

Posted by: poll by twiigs.com | September 4, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

JLA interviewed a cut punter. He was bitter. That's news and was so reported.

Posted by: Corkczar | September 4, 2008 12:07 PM

That was news LAST week. This week it's using a quote to unnecessarily bash the team. Just sayin'...

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 4, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Does JLC have the Redskin Insider on the right path?

A. Defintely

B. Looks better theses days

C. I have significant doubts

D. No way

Posted by: poll by twiigs.com | September 4, 2008 12:11 PM

-----


(D)

I'd say Vinny is far better at his job than JLC is at his!

Today proves it.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 4, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

I am offended by the term "POLL".

Posted by: politically correct guy | September 4, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Let's say a certain RI fan is considering the over/under at 41 points. Let's say he happened to have a few extar dollars in his pocket. What would you choose???

a. over
b. under
c. call that help line on the bottom of the webpage

Posted by: cej75024 | September 4, 2008 12:11 PM

I would say call gambler's annonymous and save your money. I would NEVER bet my money on the Redskins. NEVER!

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 4, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

So what will everyone be eating and drinking tonihgt?

I have: a 4 meat pizza & shrimp sauted in garlic and olive oil. Bottle of Red Lable.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 4, 2008 11:53 AM

Going out to watch the game here in Houston - thinking of lots of Miller Lite (amount depending on how well the game goes) and some wings.

P Diddy - I'll be thinking of you tonight and hope that the groomsmen will be silenced! I have to deal with snotty Dallas fans at work tomorrow if we bite it. I already heard it after the Carolina game, so I know I am in for it after an actual real game!

Posted by: suzannepdc | September 4, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Some Redskins information from ESPN:

Perhaps sensing that his team was a little tight, Zorn held a show-and-tell session before Tuesday's practice. He stood in front of the team and showed them the thigh pads that he used while playing quarterback for the Seattle Seahawks. According to Campbell, they looked much more like hockey thigh pads.

"It was like three different thigh pads stuck together," Campbell said. "He said he did it because he kept getting kicked all the time. He must've looked like a stray bird running around in those things."

Yes, I realize that bringing your old thigh pads to team meetings might not evoke memories of Rockne, but it apparently loosened up the Redskins heading into their final real practice before tonight's season-opener.


Cork, we all have opinions, can I be entitled to mine......

Posted by: Greg | September 4, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Put me in the camp that thinks it's going to be two years before Zorn is capable of winning in the NFL. Just my opinion, means nothing since I pretty much watch Red Zone Channel for a living and don't know squat.

Independent of that, my absolute favorite thing about Zorn has always been that when he was with the Seahawks, he used to warm up with the quarterbacks. I always thought that was cool. Once an NFL QB, always an NFL QB. Those guys can throw farther and better than any of us armchair QBs, no matter how old they are. Love it.

Posted by: P Diddy | September 4, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

I have to deal with snotty Dallas fans at work tomorrow if we bite it.

Posted by: suzannepdc | September 4, 2008 12:14 PM

I actually live in this Blue and Silver hell called Dallas. I agree, it is unbearable to deal with !!!

Posted by: cej75024 | September 4, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RIP ST 21 | September 4, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

I have a variety pack of Sarnac. Never had it so it'll be interesting. Worst case senario, crappy beer and a Giants route.

Also, oreo pizza from Dominoes :)

Posted by: etrod | September 4, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

I looked on Hogs.net

Posted by: Beantown (aka Stumptown) Chris | September 4, 2008 11:17 AM

Is that the full web address? It doesn't seem to work for me - just get a bunch of stuff for pig farming etc.

Posted by: skinswest | September 4, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

So what will everyone be eating and drinking tonihgt?

I have: a 4 meat pizza & shrimp sauted in garlic and olive oil. Bottle of Red Lable.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 4, 2008 11:53 AM

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Secret Redskin Potato recipe with a pair of Portis-to-the-House Steaks!!

Posted by: Burgundy Haze | September 4, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

++Put me in the camp that thinks it's going to be two years before Zorn is capable of winning in the NFL.

Posted by: P Diddy | September 4, 2008 12:16 PM++


Amen !! We feel the need to rip the scalp off a coach in any sport who doesn't win..NOW.

Posted by: cej75024 | September 4, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

I was looking for a too early to tell button. Oh, well.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 4, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

I actually live in this Blue and Silver hell called Dallas. I agree, it is unbearable to deal with !!!

Posted by: cej75024 | September 4, 2008 12:16 PM

I am so, so sorry. Nothing was better than going to a bar during the Texans/Cowboys game and having the entire bar rooting AGAINST the Cowboys - something I never thought I would see in Texas. Might try to become a Texans fan (since I don't really care about the AFC that much right now), but we'll see.

Posted by: suzannepdc | September 4, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

I thought this may answer some questions about why LaRon didn't play in the preseason:
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Another player whom the tragedy hit especially hard was Landry, the sixth overall pick in the ‘07 draft. Almost as soon as NFL commissioner Roger Goodell called his name on the podium, Landry began hearing from people in NFL circles who cautioned him about Taylor’s supposedly surly nature.

“Guys were telling me, ‘He’s going to be a hard guy to work with,’ ” Landry recalls. “But when I got here, it was the total opposite. He worked with me in meeting rooms and on the field and helped me get over that hurdle that all rookies face.”

As the two safeties grew comfortable playing together, Cerrato began fantasizing about an extended run of greatness at the position. Taylor, the strong safety, “had phenomenal range and incredible ball skills. He was a kill-you-or-miss-you tackler.” Landry, the free safety, “is a great blitzer and a great tackler who’s still developing his downfield game. They were the perfect complement for one another – each guy’s strengths complemented the other’s weaknesses. And they’d have been playing together forever.”

As part of his mentoring of Landry, Taylor used to give the rookie a ride to and from the team’s training facility during the week. Upon learning of Taylor’s death, Cerrato recalls, “LaRon starts crying and says, ‘Who’s gonna take me home?’ ”

It’s a darker emotion that Landry has summoned since, at least on Sundays. Teammates noticed the way he stepped up his intensity after Taylor’s death, intercepting a pair of passes in the playoff game in Seattle and looking for the type of big hits that No. 21 would have encouraged.

“Most definitely, I try to follow in his footsteps,” Landry says. “I try to match his intensity, his style of play and bring what he brought to the team. I’ll never be as great as he was. But all of this has inspired me to just … to just. … Well, instead of using the words I really want to use, I’ll say to just go out there and lay it on the line.”

What Landry was unwilling to say was something to which most men in his profession can relate: He plays angrier now, summoning more violence, looking to take out his pain on anyone in his midst. Before every game since high school, Landry has taken a pen and scrawled “Suicide Mission” on his chest. Those words have taken on added resonance since Taylor’s death.

“It’s not what you think,” Landry says. “Obviously, this is not life and death. But it’s a way of reminding myself that if I have to hurt my own body to do what I need to do, then that’s what it’s gonna be.”
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LaRon didn't play this preseason because he's saving his body. He's going to be knocking dudes F'n block off this season and my God I hope it starts tonight. He's taking on Sean's personality on the field. To paraphrase Jay-Z:

If LaRon ain't better than Sean, he's the closest one.

Posted by: Red of the DMV | September 4, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Red ... that is a great article.

Its that intensity that I'm looking for in the Skins today. The guys quoted in the article say its there. If it is, the Jints are in big trouble

Posted by: AL Zeke etc | September 4, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

if you dissected it like the Times did, this is what you'd have come up with:

"Speaking of punters, the Redskins have a new one - rookie Durant Brooks, one of their sixth-round draft picks. Brooks won out over incumbent Derrick Frost, a move that was much questioned in some quarters. Well, at least one.

Here's my take on it: In four NFL seasons, Frost never finished higher than 11th in his conference in either gross or net average. At bottom, he's a semi-reliable, below-average mediocrity. If the club thinks it can do better with Brooks, whose net average in the preseason was 34.5 yards to Frost's 32.3, why not give him a shot? Heck, choices like these - youthful potential over veteran ordinariness - are made every year ... by every team"

There you go. They replaced someone who was less than mediocre in hopes of improving, and the guy who was less than mediocre was pissed. However, because he took a cheap shot at the team, he's quoted.

You can't argue with this, its plain as day....the axe continues to be ground...

Posted by: Greg | September 4, 2008 11:38 AM

NEW POLL: Who's being fairer in their reporting, WaPo or WaTimes?

Posted by: frediefritz | September 4, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

It's the NFL. Win now, or get canned. It's like that with my job as well. Build a billion dollar business in 2 years or get canned. Gotta love pressure, and there's nothing quite like the NFL for it. It's hard to root for players in the modern NFL. I just root for the uniform.

Posted by: P Diddy | September 4, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

re: refreshing and re-voting. I can't fix that. Like I said, it's completely and utterly unscientific. But kind of fun, no?

And to defend myself -- the question is "Does Cerrato have the team on the right path?" This is not a final grade, just a "how do you think it's going so far?" If we as bloggers and blog commenters can't ask and answer this question, what's the point of having a blog?

Jon

Posted by: Jon DeNunzio | September 4, 2008 11:26 AM

See Jon, there is no "so far" yet. We haven't played 1 meaningful second yet. I think he chose the right direction by attemting to build through the draft over free agency but the players could be sh!tty.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 4, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

beepx2

Posted by: Greg | September 4, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Anybody know where to get a copy of kindergaten ninja?

Posted by: Andy from Baltimore | September 4, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Even the poll had a bias. Here's my take on Vinny at 9 months or whatever.

Coaching:
I think the Zorn pick was bold and could prove great or terrible. So far I like his demeanor and his attitude. I think if the players give him a fair shake, he could be a lot of fun to watch and win us some ball games. Either way I think its going to be a heck of a ride growing with this guy.

Roster:
I think a major FO concern was giving up draft picks like it was going out of style and spending big money on so-so guys with upside. Save that for your draft picks, not veterans another team is ready to part ways with.

I think the Taylor signing was justified and considered by many pundits a great deal for the skins - even at the 2 pick price.

Posted by: WaPoLiveFan16 | September 4, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Vinny lost me when he decided to carry 4 healthy wideouts into the start of the season... and one of them is named Devin Thomas.

Posted by: Brandon | September 4, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

First it was a free agent bonanza, now that they ran out of money its build thru the draft (ie kept all their draft picks).. he changes phylosopies to fool everyone and makeup for his incompetence.. meanwhile we suffer.. his only hope is JC comes thru to be a great QB and makes everyone look good..

Posted by: vgp | September 4, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Maybe because he's been joined at the hip with Snyder ever since Danny bought the team?

+++This pissing contest is beyond redundant and old.+++

yeah well, so am I.

Offered with respect and not even a drop of urine.


Posted by: Corkczar | September 4, 2008 11:55 AM

Okay Cork, so because Snyder and Cerrato have been "joined at the hip" since Snyder bought the team, that mean we should constantly pick apart Cerrato and his decisions. Okay, Siegfried & Roy have also been "joined at the hip" for years, do we pick apart their act constantly?

I know you're not too high on Cerrato and the draft, but g.d., this is getting tiresome. How about we give Vinny a nickname, how about we constatntly harp about how he was kept out of the loop re: Jason Taylor, or even better how about we discusss every other week about his roster decisions since him and Snyder have been "joined at the hip".

Posted by: Red of the DMV | September 4, 2008 12:40 PM | Report abuse

So what will everyone be eating and drinking tonihgt?

I have: a 4 meat pizza & shrimp sauted in garlic and olive oil. Bottle of Red Lable.

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 4, 2008 11:53 AM

I'm having a steak that I'm calling "Eli's Spleen."

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 4, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Vinny lost me when he decided to carry 4 healthy wideouts into the start of the season... and one of them is named Devin Thomas.

Posted by: Brandon | September 4, 2008 12:38 PM

Vinnie decided? You must not pay much attention.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 4, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Sorry Red, couldn't finish that article.


don't like thinking about #21

Posted by: The Truth | September 4, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Im still pissed that Gregg Williams didnt get "Head Coach" for us, but Zorn seems ok but the last couple pre-season games have shattered my optimism. Now its hard to know what to think.
For some reason I feel like Im entering into a crash-up derby as this season opens tonight. Hoping for the best and that those feelings are ill-founded, Im a Redskin Fan For Life!

Posted by: ebbline | September 4, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

While I agree that it is too early to tell, I can't help but shake the feeling that Vinny is less of a football exec and more of a corporate yes man, eg Snyder's puppet. So who are we really grading? Snyder or Cerrato?

Posted by: beggarsnthieves | September 4, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Something I don't understand, maybe you can enlighten me.

The part of the article that specifically attacks Vinny for being dishonest regarding the possibility of acquiring Jason Taylor.

First of all we now know that both the Giants, and Eagles were in 11th hour negotiations to acquire Taylor prior to the 'Skins making the move, why on earth would Vinny be honest about this and why would you (bitter La Canfora clearly wrote that part) expect him to be honest with you about such CLEARLY confidential information?

This whole thing boggles my mind, and THANK YOU Vinny for not saying a word to anyone in the media and FOR ONCE keeping something inside so that you could do your job and complete what we all hope was a crucial trade.

Posted by: Bryan | September 4, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Vinny sucks, he really needs to save face and just cut himself.

Zorn will make it as head coach in the NFL, but as long as he's hamstrung by management he can't possibly win in Washington.

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | September 4, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Other NFL execs, coaches, personnel people are already laughing at the Skins.

His own coach is quietly criticizing his draft picks - can any of them play?

The best one, the punter, couldn't outperform the punter we already had.

The team will not win more than 3 games this year.

- No Longer a Fan.

Posted by: Ajay Gupta | September 4, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

"While I agree that it is too early to tell, I can't help but shake the feeling that Vinny is less of a football exec and more of a corporate yes man, eg Snyder's puppet."

A friend mf mine and I were having this EXACT same conversation yesterday. Snyder is trying to run the 'Skins like it's a "corporation" and you just can't do that. It's a business, but it's also a sport.

The reality is these are Snyder's calls. He would never give up the right to make the moves of his favorite toy, now would he?

- Ray

Posted by: Ray | September 4, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Too early to vote on Cerrato. Strictly opinion at this point. We've yet to even play 1 reg season game under his regime.

Posted by: Gregskins | September 4, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Cerrato is a joke around the league. We all know that no Post reporter can go there, otherwise be shunned by the Snyder/Cerrato duo.
It's obvious why Williams didn't get the job & it's further obvious why so many "changes" were made...Cerrato got rid of anyone from the past that wasn't lined up directly behind him & Snyder.
Cerrato is a yes man & I'll give him this much, he does know who to butter up & how to do it....Snyder. It speaks loud & large that when Shottenheimer FIRED him he couldn't get a job in the NFL on any level & had to be on the 4th team at ESPN in a cubicle.
It's laughable if anyone thinks Snyder isn't making the decisions , he has for years. What football exp does he have??? Cerrato is a flunkie, a front man at best. That part of the interview about Cerrato & Zorn running down the hall to go over the game plan with Snyder tells it all. What in the heck can Snyder do with a game plan anyway? How is he qualified to make any calls on that part of the game? It's hilarious & why our Skins will stink until these clowns give it up.

Posted by: Skinsfan | September 4, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

That draft? I guess a case can be made for drafting a big WR, but 2 in the same round with all the other glaring needs? Also, why the need for a TE that early in the draft too? They had just signed Cooley to a huge contract. Again, much more glaring needs there. Keeping Tryon was a joke too, he was kept to make a weak draft look good, but how good will it look once that guy gets burned repeatedly in a game?

Posted by: Skinsfan | September 4, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

no way cerrato has a clue what he's doing. danny boy, wise up and can this clown, then sell the team.

Posted by: cnw | September 4, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

One thing I utterly respected last year was Gibbs' commitment to protecting JC. It made for boring football, but was the right thing to do for the QB's development and safety. I hope Zorn isn't tempted to risk those things to showcase "his" offense.
Point being, In my opinion the Redskins are not a couple of pieces away but a couple of seasons away. No shame in that-let them develop. And this is what the FO has never done. Draft some O linemen let them develop in the system and the 4/5 wide sets might just work. But so much investment in older guys makes it always a win now/swing for the fences mentality with the team.
Thats what frustrating. The 2 playoff appearances were the result of Gibbs' incredible leadership talent and character. God bless him, but how bout some long term thinking now for this team?

Posted by: martin chicago | September 4, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

The one common denominator during the Redskins recent, mostly losing seasons, is Vince Cerrato. The Redskins losses have resulted in several coaching changes , but Cerrato is still with us. WHY? Is Dan Snyder loyal to him to a fault? The most recent fiasco, is the cuts he made. A running back, a wide receiver, and a punter, as three prime examples, all of who had excellent pre season games, but were cut, in order to keep 10 draft choices Cerrato picked, some of who had terrible preseason games. The Redskins deserve a better "General Manager", the Cerrato!

Posted by: Stan-CT Skins Fan | September 4, 2008 8:03 PM | Report abuse

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