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Skns by the Numbers

The Skins now rank 14th in total offense with the running game carrying the load. They are third overall in yards per carry and rushing yards per game, while ranking 21st in passing yards per play and passing yards per game. Jason Campbell continues to lead the NFL in fewest interceptions.

The big thing, as we all know, is points. And the Skins are 27th in terms of points per game. The Skins got a few TDs in the red zone Sunday, but still rank 27th overall in red zone scoring efficiency.

Clinton Portis leads the NFL with 1,206 rushing yards - he's on pace to destroy his own franchise mark - with 4.9 yards per carry.

Campbell now ranks 12th in passer rating, at 90.2. He's seventh in fourth-quarter passer rating at 97.1.

Santana Moss has dropped into a tie for 21st in receptions (tied with a certain Mr. Coles, subject of a trade he was involved in a few years back), while Moss is seventh in the NFL in receiving yardage.

Defensively, the Skins moved up from fourth to third overall following the win in Seattle. They rank seventh in rushing yards allowed per game (though that has been an issue the past two weeks), and are fifth against the pass. They rank fourth in first downs allowed per game and are tied for fifth in points allowed per game. The Skins rank 23rd overall in red zone defense.

By Jason La Canfora  |  November 24, 2008; 5:00 PM ET
 
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A "few" touchdowns in the redzone - um, 2, to be precise - is not a few, nor is it enough to be happy about...

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 24, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

First number should be their won-loss record, right?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 24, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

I would love to see a 2007 Giants by the numbers, I would have to say we aren't too far behind where they were this time of year, with the exception of sacks..

GOO SKNS!! JASN CAMBLL is BST QUARTRBCK IN NL!!

Posted by: TDGibson | November 24, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

The big thing, as we all know, is points.

By Jason La Canfora | November 24, 2008; 5:00 PM ET

Jasno--

In what league is this "the big thing?" The big thing in the NFL is your won-loss record. Skins are 7-4 -- sixth in the NFC.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 24, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

DRiley,

This year after 11 games, minus Sean Taylor:
7-4.
Last years after 11 games: 5-6 with Taylor most of the way.

We are a better team than last year.

That's with a rookie head coach, and rookie offensive coordinator, and at least in IMO a harder schedule to date.

Our O-line has another year worth of beating...as does everyone else at every other position. No way around that, I'm afraid. I thought the TE pick in the second round was unnecessary, and would rather have had an O/D line player there...but I'm willing to give it time and see where this draft class takes us.

I don't have any problem with the WR's: Moss can't go forever, and Randle El is a slot guy, not a #2WR. Thrash can't get open.

Your question is the kind I hope the organization asks itself every year.

Still, there are some here that will hold on to their pitchforks and torches until Cerrato/Snyder is gone seemingly no matter what.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | November 24, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | November 24, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

+++Cork,

Given Smith had been deteriorating for years, and Taylor was an impact player LAST YEAR, the analogy...well, stinks.+++--Shaunsherman

Well, my backup analogy is Cerrato thinking he was gettng the better of Parcells, who was anxious to get rid of him.

+++Heck, even your fearless leader thought getting Taylor was the right move...until last week when all the sudden he thought it was a bad move.+++

Not necessarily. He hadn't coached a down of live fire football for the 'skins. Was he about to go on record second guessing his GM? Was he going to cut the legs out from under a player the team wanted to play for two years?

I think Zorn has been a master psychologist. Look at the way he praises his WRs. Guy catches two balls for 14 yards and Zorn maks him sound like the second coming of Jerry Rice. I like his power of positive thinking in that regard.

And for the record I think the 2nd rounders can succeed.

If Kelly stays healthy, he can play.

If Thrash retires next year, Thomas has a position.

If Cooley and Yoder get hurt, Davis is good to go--if he leaves a wakeup call.

Posted by: TheCork | November 24, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

It seemed the Skins did so many things right yesterday, except for stopping Morris. I kept shaking my head wondering how it remained so close.

When I went back and looked, the Skins only had 4 possessions in the 2nd half, 2 FGs, 1 TD and the one that ended with the Betts fumble (technically a 5th with kneel downs)

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 24, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

As good as the defense is playing, they need to step it up even further if we're to beat the Giants. I'm liking the increase in turnovers too. Add some sacks and some forced fumbles, and this defense creeps ever closer to that "elite" category...

Posted by: psps23 | November 24, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

I know we have the Giants first, but looking ahead to the Ravens provides an interesting study in contrasts. A month or two ago it looked like the Ravens, with a rookie head coach and QB, might be a pushover. But the defense supported the team while the offense developed, and now they're scoring in bunches. We also have a rookie head coach, a young QB, and a first-rate defense. So why hasn't our offense progressed as well as Baltimore's?

Posted by: outsider6 | November 24, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

"Guy catches two balls for 14 yards and Zorn maks him sound like the second coming of Jerry Rice. I like his power of positive thinking in that regard."

Portis got 140 something yards. Betcha Kelly was blocking not just running patterns to receive that praise. One of the very first thing Gibbs and company looked at in the wide-outs ... are they blocking on the run? On the run after receptions?

But then Gibbs copied the CT mold and made a nasty running back into a receiver.

Posted by: periculum | November 24, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Actually, I was talking about JLC.

I don't think Zorn has turned on Taylor, or at least I hope not.

The guy had a very unlucky break with the freak injury and I think we'd be a lot happier with him if he'd had all these weeks to play instead of sitting on the sidelines waitng to heal. I'd also venture it was a mistake to let him come back so soon.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | November 24, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

So why hasn't our offense progressed as well as Baltimore's?

Posted by: outsider6

Because Baltimore's defense provides HUGE support on the scoreboard. Ed Reed scored one TD, and returned another INT to the 5 yard line. Terrell Suggs has scored 2 TDs so far this year. That offense lives off turnovers caused by the defense. They are not putting together 12-play, 80 yard drives to score TDs.

Posted by: psps23 | November 24, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

I agree. Sacks, turnovers, fumbles. They need to set the tone on defense ala' ice cream. The offense needs to run the ball up the gut consistently and effectively. Dictate.

Posted by: periculum | November 24, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

I think it may mean that not only is he big but he uses his size to block on running plays. Which is the bread and butter of this offense.

Posted by: periculum | November 24, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

I agree that's got to be a part of it. But Kelly also has a better feel on the field, within his routes and such.

Posted by: craig2 | November 24, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Jason it right. The big thing is points.
That's what you use to win games. Winning games is what you do to improve your record and go to the playoffs.

We're not scoring enough. That's the mystery that needs to be solved. If Kelly works out in the next few weeks it will help some.

We need to be versatile, unpredictable and medium.

Posted by: _Stumped_1 | November 24, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

peri -- said I was interested in seeing how Kelly blocked in last weeks blog. Then I didn't pay any attention to it yesterday. Did anyone watch for that?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 24, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

To beat the Giants:

Run the ball successfully, stop the run.

Heh, isn't this always the formula with the Skins?

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | November 24, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Baltimore is next after the Gints. Might as well come up with a way now to handle to great defenses.

Posted by: periculum | November 24, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Outsider.. The Ravens wins are: Cincinnati, Cleveland (2), Miami, Oakland, Houston, and a down Philadelphia, now their defense has been outstanding but take into context they still have to play three in NFC East, and pittsburgh, Lets see how their offense stacks up with us, at the end of the season

Posted by: TDGibson | November 24, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

I think it's interesting that nobody has bothered to connect that Monty has been out of the line up the last two weeks, and we've been gouged horribly against the run.

I never thought the guy was that valuable, but I guess he is.

He's the future along with Golston. Yes, he is pretty valuable. He started last year remember? This year to injuries set him back behind Golston. Have to assume that next year he replaces Griffin in the lineup.

Posted by: periculum | November 24, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I know, I just thought it was kinda funny that nobody had offered his lack of presence as at least a partial answer to what's wrong with the run defense.

Posted by: craig2 | November 24, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

jints will be very tough. We can move the ball OK and can stop their passing game. But I think their run game is going to be a beast. Key will be turnovers, since I don't think we can stop them consistently if they run.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 24, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

"peri -- said I was interested in seeing how Kelly blocked in last weeks blog"

If he blocks he plays ... a lot. Then he becomes a part of the team and the passes will come. Gain the trust of teammates that you are going to be out there on every play doing what you can. Then the passes will come. Then its up to him.

Posted by: periculum | November 24, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Craig,

I'm guessing because most of the effective running the last two weeks has been to the outside, away from the interior. I don't think this is a major concern (unless none of these guys can play this week), because against Dallas, Greg all but admitted he gave the Cowboys the run to stifle their pass (and said he waited to long to change), and this past week, half the D-line went out hurt.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | November 24, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

I know we have the Giants first, but looking ahead to the Ravens provides an interesting study in contrasts. A month or two ago it looked like the Ravens, with a rookie head coach and QB, might be a pushover. But the defense supported the team while the offense developed, and now they're scoring in bunches. We also have a rookie head coach, a young QB, and a first-rate defense. So why hasn't our offense progressed as well as Baltimore's?

Posted by: outsider6 | November 24, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

We don't get to play 4 games against Cinci and Cleveland? Just a guess. Also, Baltimore consistently gets 10-14 ppg scored or set up directly by their D, so their offensive stats are going to be pretty overrated if you just look at points scored.

Posted by: LiberalMike | November 24, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Our D doesn't give up a lot of big plays.
Our O doesn't make a lot of big plays.

This is a recipe for making every game a close game. I hope we can make the Gints game close and get lucky somewhere along the way.

Posted by: _Stumped_1 | November 24, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

The jints can do one things that almost no other team can do. Run the ball over 30 times a game.

Most teams can't run well to begin with. I'd guess about 10 teams can play smashmouth. Of those teams, almost all feature 1 RB who carries the load. The 2nd RB is usually a big drop off. So only the #1 back gets a lot of carries. 25-30 carries is about the max you can give 1 guy in a game (and closer to 20 if you want him to hold up).

Since teams run about 60 plays a game, it means you must pass about 50% of the time.

Except for the jints. They go 3 deep with quality RBs. They could run the ball 40-50 times if they wanted. Couple that with their defense and it means all Eli needs to do most of the time is not make mistakes.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 24, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

TD, Mike -- I get that the AFC North ain't the NFC East, but we played St. Louis, Detroit, Cleveland, and Seattle but haven't put points on the board. We sustain drives but don't finish. It just seems the Baltimore offense -- perhaps because of short fields or a cushion from defensive touchdowns -- seems to be improving with greater alacrity.

Posted by: outsider6 | November 24, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

I truly truly hope I'm wrong, but just so nobody confuses it for revisionist history if it happens, we're in this position because of IMO a great coaching hire and one of the worst draft strategies in the history of football. We have gotten to this point because of CP, period. JC has proven he's a franchise QB woefully short on weapons and protection. Our defense has played well this season against pass first teams but our worst games have been against power teams and that's because we have ignored our front seven in the draft for going on 10 years now. And by all indications we are crumbling. CP has gutted out the last two games, but how long do we really see that happening if he is having to regularly come out against Seattle? Not exactly the Giants or the Ravens defense. Our playoff hopes rest on protecting JC and Kelly emerging, otherwise we're missing the playoffs. 10 wins is unlikely to be enough. You have 5 teams fighting for 2 spots (Dallas, Tampa, Atlanta, Carolina, and Washington) and two of them are already at 8 wins and the other three all tied at 7. One of the three NFC South teams gets in with the division spot leaving two fighting with us and the Cowgirls for the two wild cards. Tampa and Atlanta have very easy schedules the rest of the way and Tampa and Carolina only have to go 3-2 to get to 11. We most likely have to go 4-1 to make the playoffs thanks to the St. Louis game, and we have to do that with our entire offense (CP) totally banged up getting ready to face two of the toughest run defenses in the league. This will be a monumental playoff push to say the least and mostly because, once again IMO, instead of building any quality depth on the Dline, Oline, and LB's we spent 4 of our five picks first day picks on total non-contributors to date and at positions that don't win games in December and the playoffs.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 24, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

I'm just still ticked off that I took the Bronco defense for my FF team. Hey, the Raiders had gone nearly 200 offensive plays without a TD going into yesterday's game. In Denver, after they had held a good ATL team to 20 last week. Plus Denver had a slim lead in the division, so they had something to fight for.

F the Bronco defense. D gives up 3 TDs and a 4th on a punt return. F Shanahan.

Just needed to rant

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 24, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

The Giants, Titans, Pittsburgh, the Ravens all start with defense. The difference? A lot more sacks, INTs and turnovers. I don't see Kelly making enough of an impact to change their current situation ... BUT HALL JUST MIGHT!!! His presence really could lead to more of the above just like those teams. Now field position starts inside the 30 or 20 or even closer could lead to more scores.

On the other end I see Betts complete return as critical. Portis isn't Larry Brown. I don't think he can carry a team into the playoffs and then the Superbowl. Maybe I'm wrong ... that team also featured a really great opportunistic veteran defense, a QB with a lameduck arm, 1 HIF wideout, a decent tight end and second wide out, a great blocking fullback and what amounted to an O-line that was chosen to provide pass protection. Their HOF QB was relegated to the bench by the coach in favor of the lameduck armed QB who featured play action with lots of runs.

Posted by: periculum | November 24, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

zjfr2,
Duly noted.

Ten wins exceeds my pre-season expectations.
No matter what the final outcome, I hope we can stay in the hunt until the last regular season game.

Posted by: _Stumped_1 | November 24, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

peri -- lots of parallels, nicely done.

Though the HOF QB didn't play on the SB team because his achilles tendon snapped in a drain pipe on the jints field. I remember that day, too. Classic pic of Sonny hobbling off the field on his own as Kilmer looks at him.

fwiw, the HOF QB was en fuego that year. Had a rough first half vs philly (3 ints), then was unreal after that for the next couple games. Something like 12 yards per pass attempt before getting hurt.

But the Skins rode Larry Brown that year and he was brilliant.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 24, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

CP has to rank up there with Larry Brown as one of toughest Skins running backs

Posted by: oldtimer4 | November 24, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Defensively, the Skins moved up from fourth to third overall following the win in Seattle.

How can this be true with such low sacks total? I mean without a bunch of sacks it didn't seem possible.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | November 24, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Skns?

Wh wrt ths, Brry Svrluga?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 24, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Nate, you smelling a division championship?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 24, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

"Though the HOF QB didn't play on the SB team because his achilles tendon snapped in a drain pipe on the jints field. I remember that day, too. Classic pic of Sonny hobbling off the field on his own as Kilmer looks at him."

Think that was the year before? The next year it became a juggling act as to whether Agent K. Or Agent J. played? Depending on whether a really low score would be enough ... Agent K. and Agent J. called their own game and used their own styles of offense. The coaches did not call the plays ... something that aggravated ice cream the coach I am sure.

Posted by: periculum | November 24, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

"How can this be true with such low sacks total? I mean without a bunch of sacks it didn't seem possible."

They don't have a "quarterback" type rating for defenses. They go by yards allowed then points typically.

Posted by: periculum | November 24, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

"F the Bronco defense. D gives up 3 TDs and a 4th on a punt return. F Shanahan."

Poor Champ ... ~smiles~ looks like the 'Skins and Joe Gibbs got the better end of that deal with CP. That should make CP smile even if he is not considered among the elite backs by the league.

Posted by: periculum | November 24, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

"Ten wins exceeds my pre-season expectations."

Exceeds everyone's expectations. 1,000,000 Kudos to Zorn, if he does get replaced by Cower he won't be out of a job for very long ...

Posted by: periculum | November 24, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

"Our D doesn't give up a lot of big plays.

"Our O doesn't make a lot of big plays" corrected to read:

"Our O doesn't make a lot of mistakes and give up the Big Play"

-- Coach Icecream who invented the concept of special teams with its own coaches and the ultimate offensive conservative.

Posted by: periculum | November 24, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

lmao, JM....

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 24, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

10 wins doesn't exceed my expectations. Called for 10 wins in my preseason prediction (though I did say I wasn't confident since Zorn was a mystery).

Based my prediction on having a defense that was very good and returning pretty much everyone from a playoff team in 2007. Plus an easier schedule.

So 10 wins, yup.

and if GG had stayed, probably would have predicted 11-12 Ws.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 24, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Zeke, I haven't even checked scores, I assume you're taking the division crown this week?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 24, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

They don't have a "quarterback" type rating for defenses. They go by yards allowed then points typically.

Posted by: periculum

I know that P. I was proving that having a bunch of sacks don't mean your D is good. And if you don't have a bunch of sacks it doesn't mean your D sucks.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | November 24, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

I still think 11-5 is doable. Will it be enough now is the question... lol.

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 24, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: Cindy Boren | November 24, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

SICWIDIT'S TAKE

1) Some are talking about this team as if it were 4-7 rather than 7-4. If you beleive in what Madden says, you are what your record says you are...this is an above average, but not a dominant team. I'll take it.

2) Gibbs couldn't dial up points, Zorn can't dial up points. I think this is a personnel issue. We will NOT contend for a Super Bowl with Santana Moss, Randle-El and James Thrash. It ain't gonna happen.

3) From what I see, Zorn may not have anticipated what a special back Portis is and sees him as the winning ticket. Couple that with a weak pass blocking O-line and you have the Midwest Coast offense.

4) If they don't make the playoffs, they should blow up the offensive side of the ball. They should start both rookies, and Moss, relegate Thrash to the waiver wire or special teams and make Randle-El your fourth receiver.

5) This Giants game coould swing their season wither way.

6) This is a very good, underrated secondary.

7) I love Chris Cooley, but I am not afraid to say that he has dropped some critical 3rd down conversions.

HAVE AT IT RI!!!!

Posted by: rickyroge | November 24, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

people who care about points, (cough) Brian Mitchell (cough), need to understand that we arent going to blow anyone out. We are running team who does not put huge amounts of points on the board. The key is that our D holds everyone to lower than average...

Posted by: rc2223 | November 25, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

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