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Skins, 13 Undrafted Free Agents Agree to Terms

The Redskins have agreed to terms with 13 undrafted free agents: Delaware tight end Robert Agnone, Maryland offensive lineman Scott Burley, Missouri quarterback Chase Daniel, Miami defensive tackle Antonio Dixon, Michigan cornerback Doug Dutch, Washington State tight end Devin Frischknecht, Concordia wide receiver John Halman, UCLA defensive tackle Brigham Harwell, Oklahoma safety Lendy Holmes, Arizona linebacker Ronnie Palmer, Illinois defensive end Derek Walker, Maryland offensive lineman Edwin Williams, Oregon wide receiver Jaison Williams.

By Paul Tenorio  |  April 27, 2009; 1:02 PM ET
 
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i remember last year when they just continued to ignore Defensive line and it cost us a 2nd rounder and this year we seem to be doing the same with Oline. might end up costing us a Taylor or Kendall type trade again.

Posted by: lowtharofthehill | April 27, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Let me be the FIRST to congratulate them all.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | April 27, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

"sorry psps23 but all signs point to Campbell going 8-8 next year and not coming back the following year.

Then we'll say "Darn, wish we had drafted a QB that could have sat and learned for a year."


all hindsight, sure we probably did better not drafting a QB this year, but who knows.

If you ask me would I rather have Orakpo and Barnes or Sanchez, who could sit for one year, learn the system, and then step up if/when JC has another average year....well, I'm not sure which one I'd take. Not an easy question IMO.

Posted by: TheTruth11"


also let me be the first to say I think Chase Daniel could be a better QB than Colt Brennan. Brennan might be kept over Daniel, but I think it could be a tossup for 3rd string QB.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 27, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Devin Frischknecht, I hope he makes the team only because i want to see if all that will fit on a jersey.

Posted by: Gweez | April 27, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Where's Gano, the kicker from FSU. He was a free-agent, he's money on kicks and he can punt. It's debatable if anyone on the Redskins roster can do either consistently. Another great non-move by the dolts who run the Skins. Kudos, Vinny!

Posted by: sufferinskinsfan | April 27, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully Burley and Williams can play...

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 27, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Seriously.. How many TE's do we need in camp? 6? RETARDED

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | April 27, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

enough with the U of Maryland offensive lineman- Maryland sucks.

Posted by: richard_cranium | April 27, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Edwin Williams will make this team. Lock-it up.

Posted by: jrraley | April 27, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

But that means we simply made the most of the opportunity, it does not mean it was a brilliant pick.


Posted by: p1funk | April 27, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse
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You'd be hard pressed to argue that making the most of opportunity is not brilliance.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 27, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

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Maybe for this FO.

"Brilliant" in my book is managing to get a grade A player at a position of desperate need (without giving up too much).

For instance, if we'd mananged to move up to #8 grab Eugene Monroe, and still hold on to next year's #1, I would say "brilliant move".

Or if we'd managed to make a deal to get back in the lower end of the 1st round and grab Michael Oher...I would say "brilliant move".

Right now I find myself saying: "At least we avoided a Sanchez-debacle. But how the heck are we planning on upgrading our O-line."

Posted by: p1funk | April 27, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

sufferinskinsfan

I think teams should stay away from FSU kickers like they should stay away from Florida receivers. I think the guy from Utah, Sakoda, was better than Gano. They already have two kickers signed anyway.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 27, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Welcome to the Maroon and Black, boys!

HTTR!

Posted by: SoCal_SkinsFan | April 27, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

I guess the O-Line isn't a problem - have to accept this as a statement from the FO as such, and when have they ever been wrong?

Posted by: whughes1 | April 27, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

enough with the U of Maryland offensive lineman- Maryland sucks.

Posted by: richard_cranium | April 27, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse


No they don't. They aren't an NCAA powerhouse, but they do not "suck".

Maryland linemen are good projects. Friedgen runs a pro-style offense - no spread-option gimmicks or anything like that.

Posted by: p1funk | April 27, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

O-o-o-oh, SCOTT BURLEY, EDWIN WILLIAMS and MIKE WILLIAMS along with DERRICK DOCKERY and a resurrected JON JANSEN will be the saviors of the offensive line. Oh, and D'BAPTISTE also, lest we forget.

Lets see from LT to right by position:

Currently unable to participate in offensive practices - SAMUELS, STILL recovering from last season's injury. DOCKERY brought in because RINEHART (third round 2008) can hardly stay on the active roster. D'BAPTISTE playing out of position and unproven at any. RABACH capable as long as the guards on either side take up the slack. EDWIN WILLIAMS to back-up the center position and to replace "the GEYSER " recovering from injury last season. THOMAS limited participation, recovering from SERIOUS surgery. JANSEN trying to prove he still belongs. HEYOR questionable abilities to carry the load at right tackle, but probably will do O.K. in 2009. SCOTT BURLEY and MIKE WILLIAMS just in case.

Thirteen FA's, two - that's TWO O-linemen. I'm sure CAMPBELL and ZORN are completely at ease. Zero pressure-zero.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 27, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

I'm with slimbo-Rice. What's up with all the TEs? I can understand wanting to bring in a fresh TE to push the others (read: Davis) but why are we wasting roster spots on a fairly solid position when we should be trying to get more O-Lineman

Posted by: imageaid | April 27, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Gano signed w/the Ravens.

Posted by: KHTerpSkinfan | April 27, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

enough with the U of Maryland offensive lineman- Maryland sucks.

Posted by: richard_cranium | April 27, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Seriously! We already have Heyer out there getting abused...enough!

If anything, let's get some of those UVA boys! If they're putting out Brandon Albert and Monroe, the others can't be half bad!

Posted by: Fuzzy21 | April 27, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Not sure if anyone posted this link or not, but it's a list of all the UDFA signings in the NFL:
http://www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2009/04/2009-undrafted-free-agent-signings-list.html

Posted by: KHTerpSkinfan | April 27, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | April 27, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

I'm surprised they didn't add any runningbacks. Especially a power back who maybe could have made the team. I think that is the biggest mistake between the draft and Rookie FA's.

Posted by: Steveo11 | April 27, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

They should have included a running back in the undrafted free agents. Teams now carry three running backs and do very well with that. The last eight games of last season, the running game went nowhere when Portis was nicked up and Betts was coming off of his injury.

Posted by: lorrainej6 | April 27, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

I hope Jason Campbell has been practicing a lot of wind sprints.

His legs will be very important this year.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 27, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

We already added two more RB's

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 27, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

edwin williams will make the team!!! he is a legit all-acc center... bye bye gessinger, riley, montegomery, and ross... looks like daniels was a safe pick up in case they trade tood collins or he retires...

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | April 27, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Don’t get me wrong, I hope Williams works out and looks like a genius move down the road, I really do. I just don’t see that pickup and the dockery signing as a “fixed” offensive line. But, right now there are plenty of “maybe’s”, so maybe a couple of them can work out well:
- Maybe Jansen is born again hard core….
- Maybe Samuels and Thomas are both going to stay healthy and have great years again….
- Maybe Heyer will step up and turn into a starting caliber tackle……
- Maybe Rinehart will show enough improvement to hit the field in case of injury, or even better, push for a starting spot….
- Maybe Williams will shed some weight and show that he was worth a 1st round pick from when he was drafted…..
- Maybe Rabach won’t get hurt…..
- Maybe one of the U of MD kids can be a surprise……

Unfortunately these are all maybes……only player not really a question mark (besides Samuels when healthy) is Dockery (hopefully).

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 27, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Maryland o-lineman Scott Burley
Miami d-tackle Antonio Dixon
UCLA d-tackle Brigham Harwell
Maryland o-lineman Edwin Williams

These four are of the greatest interest.

You gotta hope one/two is a guy who fell throught the cracks because he didn't meet some dumb NFL scout requirement like, "He has small hands, short arms, stiff hips, but makes play after play and never tires."

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 27, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

"Then we'll say "Darn, wish we had drafted a QB that could have sat and learned for a year.""

Even if we struggle and go 8-8 (which I don't see happening, given the upgraded roster from last season and the natural progression in a 2nd year of an offensive system), we still should not have drafted a QB because he wouldn't have "learned" anything, as Zorn would be tossed out the door at season's end. He would be another John Beck in Miami, or Brady Quinn in Cleveland, or Jay Cutler in Denver. A guy that was drafted for a completely different coach. It would have significantly increased his chances at "busting" (for lack of a better term). It would have been a terrible pick all around.

Posted by: psps23

Posted by: psps23 | April 27, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Cassell and Rothlisburger were sacked more then JC17 by 10 sacks, so why arn't we talking about how bad there O-Lines are.

Cassell went 11-5 with a better WR's but not near the running game of the Skins.

Roth, won the SB he had a great defense but so do the Skins, sacks don't measure everything. Some of the sacks are on JC17 some are on the RB for not picking up blitzes.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 27, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

So, in the past few days, the Skins have added nearly 20 players to their roster.

Biggest need position were DE, OLB and OL.

Did they address DE? Check
Did they address OLB? Made an effort
Did they address OL? NOOOOOOOOOO

I swear, its not that complicated.

They have an All Pro TE plus the overall 1st TE picked in the 2008 draft plus another solid backup TE. So we add 2 more? Why?

Of the 18(?) players drafted or signed via FA, we added 2 more TE's and just 1 OL.

Insane.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 27, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Jaison Williams is going to make the team. Burley's got a good shot at it.

Posted by: groundhogdayguy | April 27, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

I think that they are using all of the TE's to help with the "no fullback other than Mike Sellars on the roster"....just my HO though.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 27, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

jimmy

'...edwin williams will make the team!!! he is a legit all-acc center...'


Are the Terps some kind of a machine that's silently cranking out NFL quality players?

Is the program that good or great?

Are they like Virginia/UNC/FL State in that they get talent at every spot but quarterback?

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 27, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

You can only have so many O-Linemen on the team, they must feel comfy. with the backups they got. Buges would no better then us.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 27, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

One thing is for sure, next year's draft we better take a RT 1st round, C 2nd round, and RG 3rd round.

And make a good FA signing at MLB/ILB.

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 27, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

No problem with Orakpo and Barnes. The Skins need to upgrade their defensive line and Orakpo has the credentials. They also need corner/nickel backs, so Barnes may be a good pick. No problem with picking OLBs; we’ll have to see how they work out. But, a tight end and a wide receiver when the Skins need youth on the offensive line and have a bevy of right ends and wide receivers is ludicrous. The real problem with how the Skins draft is three words: Snyder and Cerrato. Sndyer, who has not played one down of football at a significant level, is not one to judge football talent. Cerrato is a buffoon. He is clearly not in the class of people at his position for other teams, such as Pioli at KC, Parcells and the Giants General Manager. Two examples will demonstrate what I mean. First, before the 2008 draft, the problems with Malcolm Kelly’s knees were well known. Yet, the Skins chose him and his knees kept him out of the lineup all season long. Devon Thomas clearly demonstrated that he is immature and, so far, is a waste of a second round pick. Maybe he will grow up and become an asset to the team. But, after Kelly and Thomas were chosen, the Eagles chose Desean Jackson and he was an excellent receiver/punt returner last year. Eddie Royal was chosen later by Denver and he had an excellent year. Where was Cerrato when Jackson and Royal were available? Then, in the sixth round, he chose a punter, who bombed out. Snyder needs to separate his personal relationship with Cerrato and Cerrato’s apparent lack of ability. The Skins need a much better evaluator of talent. Snyder should find that person, substitute him for Cerrato and keep himself out of the picture when players are chosen as free agents or draft choices.

Posted by: ezman | April 27, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

enough with the U of Maryland offensive lineman- Maryland sucks.

Posted by: richard_cranium | April 27, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Your name suits your maturity and level of ignorance.

And for all the Heyer haters; he is the starting right tackle. He was outplaying Jansen before he got hurt, in pre-season and the previous season and he is easily better than anyone the Skins could have taken after round 2.

Picking up Burley was brilliant. He and Williams will make the the team.

Now, am I saying that Snyderatto did a great job with this draft?

I liked the first 2 picks a lot and we neeeeed back up LBs and special teamers. I'm not sure we needed two LBs in row and one with injury problems and character issues that we easily could have picked up as an FA.

Duke Robinson would have been worth the risk there, but there was something not right about the fact that he slipped so badly.

Also, they're projecting Eddie Williams as a fullback. Iron Mike may be in trouble, because this guy has hands and can block.

All in all, a C+ draft, IMO.

Posted by: LarryBud | April 27, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

I think most of us have tendency to overreact to news flashes, which are not even news. For example Jason Reid reported that Campbell is un-happy and will ask to be traded if Sanchez is drafted. Doc Walker asked Campbell directly that did he say that he wants to be traded and according to Doc JC does not know where this nonsense is coming from.


So skins fans don’t let cowboys and eagles fan ruin your mood. Skins had a great draft; our Hogs are not as bad as you all are saying. Every team has question marks and redskins will be fine…

Hail to the REDSKINS!!!!!!

Posted by: capitolteacher | April 27, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Chase Daniels could be a good #3 not a bad pickup as an UDFA... Dont know how many of you watched him in college but the guy can make plays

Posted by: BenchCampbell | April 27, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Obviously the team needed to inject some talented youth in the OL mix and that hasn't happened. However, god willing Sleepy Davis, Devin Thomas, & Malcolm Kelly will have a Roddy Whitescque revival from bust to boom and do what they were expected to do when drafted last season, but this team was awful in the redzone last season and I have absolutely no quarrels with them bringing in 30 TE's if one of them pans out and becomes a scoring threat cause I'm tired of watching good drives crap out, Suisham blow the kick, and no points on the board.

Posted by: KHTerpSkinfan | April 27, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Jason Peters and Jason Smith. Both OTs converted from TE.

Posted by: bleedburgundy | April 27, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Well they didn't trade up for Curry, Z.
Are you okay with it?

I notice, you noticed that they didn't fill out the OL roster.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 27, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Cassell and Rothlisburger were sacked more then JC17 by 10 sacks, so why arn't we talking about how bad there O-Lines are.

Cassell went 11-5 with a better WR's but not near the running game of the Skins.

Roth, won the SB he had a great defense but so do the Skins, sacks don't measure everything. Some of the sacks are on JC17 some are on the RB for not picking up blitzes.

Posted by: Flounder21


You make a good point. The Steeler O-Line was Swiss cheese all year long, yet look who won the SB. Take a look at what the Eagles did to the Steelers in Week 3 last year -- 9 sacks. Part of the reason for that is that Big Ben holds onto the ball a bit too long, and so does Campbell. BUT, Big Ben also MAKES PLAYS when things break down. That's the big difference. Well, that and the fact that the Steelers D was like a pack of starving rabid wolves.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | April 27, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Nice story about Antonio Dixon. Rooting for this kid already.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/2007-11-22-4002863765_x.htm

Posted by: LarryBud | April 27, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

The interesting thing about the late round picks, picks where there should be more latitude to pick based on need, was that they didn't go after OL, they went after pass catchers.

They used free agency to address the OL, but by now this is SOP for the Skins.

So does this mean that the coaches and FO have more faith in Heyer, Rineheart then they do D Thomas, M Kelly and Sleepy Davis?

One things for sure Competition is a good thing.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 27, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Ben's receivers were probably were probably running decent routes.

Campbell's not so much.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 27, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

I don't know if this has been already posted, but seems interesting. My guess is the numbers are skewed because the Redskins have probably had half the picks of some other teams during those 7 years. http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/st_NFLDRAFT_20090423.html

Posted by: BT23 | April 27, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Cassell and Rothlisburger were sacked more then JC17 by 10 sacks, so why arn't we talking about how bad there O-Lines are.

Cassell went 11-5 with a better WR's but not near the running game of the Skins.

Roth, won the SB he had a great defense but so do the Skins, sacks don't measure everything. Some of the sacks are on JC17 some are on the RB for not picking up blitzes.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 27, 2009 1:37 PM

Slow-footed Leftwich looked pretty good behind the Steelers O-line, too. The Steelers and Pats will be winning teams with any average NFL QB behind center. They're that stable and that good.

The Skins, on the other hand, have had 10 starting QBs since 1999. Keep blaming our QB if you wish, but our best QB ever (Jurgenson) never won a single playoff game.

We need a better O-line, and changing QBs every couple of years destabilizes the offense--which has been a major problem for the past decade.

Former Skins QB Brad Johnson proved it's the best team (Tampa in this case), not the best QB, who wins Super Bowls.


Posted by: Alan4 | April 27, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Doc Walker was excited about the Illinois DE Derek Walker maybe cause they share the same last name. No but he said this kid had like 20 or so tackles for a loss and a bunch of sacks. Doc is looking for this guy to compete.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 27, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Only 15 and a half weeks till pre-season kickoff!!!

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 27, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Doug Dutch is a Gonzaga High kid other than that, WTF?

Posted by: LarryBud | April 27, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

I think a lot of you just like being negative. Let the team get out there and play. If they suck then bash them all you want. All the hate on JC and praise for all these other quarterbacks makes me laugh because you guys leave out one important thing. All of them have been in the same sytem and haven't had to change almost every damn year. But don't let the facts get in the way of your hate.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | April 27, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Listening to people defend Snyderatto's day-two picks (besides Barnes, I guess) is like listening to ppl deny climate change, or its severity.

For our sake, I hope they're right - I'd LOVE for them to be right - but every ounce of logic and empirical evidence screams otherwise.

It doesn't matter that these later picks wouldn't have likely been immediate starters. In addition to quality starters, you need decent depth across the line, even more so when your starters are picking out rocking chairs for their immediate future - they're gonna get tired and hurt more regularly than younger players.

I'm usually suspect of conspiracy theories, including the one that Snyderatto wants JC to fail this year - but I sure can see how they arise. People seek reason for things that seem illogical (see the creation of all the world's relgions) and nothing seems less sensible than Snyderatto ignoring the O-line AGAIN.

Given that this is JC's contract year, given that it will be his first repeat year in the same O system, and given that there are some quality QBs coming out next year, this would've been the perfect time to give JC some protection and see what he, and last year's WR picks, can do, and draft according to the results next year.

But of course that would make sense, so you can forget about that happening at Redskins park.

One last request to Snyderatto. Now that you've done all the damage you can do in the draft, you deserve a nice break. Why don't the two of you go vacation down in Mexico city, and while you're there, go lick some handrails. I hear they taste great.

Asshats.

Posted by: hogmeister | April 27, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

As far as the receivers are concerned we went after these guys to replace Malcolm Kelly... In case everyone didnt know already he just had yet another knee surgery. It is time to give him his injury settlement and send him on his way... Total waste of a pick last year. Say what you will but WHY do you draft a guy with bad knees??

Posted by: BenchCampbell | April 27, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

You can only have so many O-Linemen on the team, they must feel comfy. with the backups they got. Buges would no better then us.

Posted by: Flounder21

Our OL was a disaster for the 2nd half of 2008, clearly the biggest problem on the team. And now Vinny gets 18 guys and only 1 OL, an undrafted FA?

Yeah ... Buges may know better, but does Vinny?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 27, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

I don't deny climate change. I question its causation. The earth sometimes gets warmer, and sometimes QB's aren't that good. Thinking that JC can become a franchise QB because he's in his second year in the same "system" is like thinking you can save the world by driving a Prius.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | April 27, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Burley, Edwin Williams will be backups this year, and lets pull for Big Mike Williams too. Why wouldn't we want a former 4th overall pick to make our team and give us depth at Tackle. I am pulling for that guy.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 27, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

WalterFootball's draft grades.

The Oakland draft was pretty funny. DHB ahead of Crabtree?

~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 27, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

jm, but you and nate and lisa promised before the begining of last year that you would not use that as an excuse. jm, the guy just isn't good. let's all move on. cuz i know you guys don't think he would've been tom brady had he been in new england.

and i think my initial belief that if he (jc) was any good gibbs would not have left when he did.

jc sucks. everyone in the league including these three stooges (danny, zorny, vinny) know it. it's time for the jc apologists to move back a bit, take a deep breath and reasses(sp).

i can't wait till next year. when the skins have a new coach, new gm, and a new QB!!!

Posted by: dealer1 | April 27, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

thund, what did they give us for a grade??

I'm pulling for the kid from Miami as well after reading that piece...good catch.

If Mike Williams can get his weight down to the 350 range, I'd tell him forget about playing tackle, and make him a guard, stick him inside, and watch him just maul people...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 27, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

There are some other positives here, in addition to the Terps o-linemen... I think Derek Walker (Illinois) could definitely stick as a left DE prospect, and Jaison Williams (Oregon) presents an interesting red-zone threat as a huge WR (or skinny TE/HB) - if he is willing to work hard and can show consistent hands (both of which are question marks based on his time at Oregon).

Posted by: PDXskin | April 27, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

deal, go buy a Stafford jersey, and shove it.........the Lions will be lucky to be 4-12 this year.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 27, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Gwiz - I think that is just Florio tlaking out of the side of his mouth.

The QB relationship can be repaired by Snyder/Cerrato/Campbell if Campbell has a beast out season. Snyder will show him the money via franchise tag or long term extension......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 27, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

So if they sign Kendall, would that put to rest the fear for lack of depth on the offensive line?

They have three capable guards (3 including Kendall), three capable tackles, and one for sure Center in Rabach. Yeah, they're dire and desperate at the line.

They'll probably sign one or two of those UDFA. Could they've drafted a linemen? Sure. But Cerrato and Snyder beleive that you take QBs, pass catchers, LBs and DBs with your early picks - their philosophy is that OL and DL can be picked up in later rounds or signed later in the offseason.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 27, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Is no one else upset that we drafted Malcolm knees Kelly?

Posted by: BenchCampbell | April 27, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

what happened to greg toler?

Posted by: mopp04 | April 27, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Well they didn't trade up for Curry, Z.
Are you okay with it?

I notice, you noticed that they didn't fill out the OL roster.

Posted by: _Stumped_

I'm fine with that. Though I doubt the Spaghetti Gang tried to get Curry, I wouldn't have traded more than this year and next year's #1 picks -- so its possible that would not have been enough anyway. It was worth trying to get Curry, up to a price.

If we failed to get Curry, Plan B was to take the best available player at OL (OT), DE or OLB.

And that is what happened.

The rest of the draft is what stunned me. After round 1, I said every other pick needed to be OL. We need to find new OL guys. The more you look, the more likely you are to find an overlooked gem. To have 18 guys brought in and just 1 new OL, these guys are asleep at the wheel.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 27, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

thund, what did they give us for a grade??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 27, 2009 2:26 PM

B-

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 27, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

"Miami defensive tackle Antonio Dixon, Arizona linebacker Ronnie Palmer"

- and these guys, too - Dixon sounds like a perfect compliment to Haynesworth in the middle of the DL, assuming he can fully recover from his knee injury (but that's a big "if" for a 320+ pound guy).

Posted by: PDXskin | April 27, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

dealer1 I don't know how you go half a season without a INT if he just suck so bad. I don't know how a person is in MVP talk if he sucked so bad. But hey that just could be me.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | April 27, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Greg Toler got drafted by the Cardinals or Saints, can't remember for sure.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 27, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

FYI one scouts view per NFL.com

Derek Walker

Analysis

Positives: Legitimate NFL frame. Good overall strength at the point of attack. Can anchor in the running game due to his lower-body strength and can push the tackle into the pocket. Good upper-body strength and flashes the hand technique to disengage from blockers. Good initial quickness off the snap and can threaten the edge. Cognizant, experienced defender who understands his contain responsibilities. Effective tackler in close quarters. Wraps up securely. Durable, high-effort player. Fights until the whistle and gives good effort in pursuit. Willing to throw his body onto the pile.

Negatives: Not an elite athlete. Only phone-booth quickness. Struggles a bit laterally and needs an open lane to close on the ballcarrier. Lacks the quick hips and straight-line speed to play in space. Might be a finished product.

Compares To: DARNELL DOCKETT, Arizona -- Like Dockett, Walker has impressive raw power and balance to play any position on the defensive line. He has very good timed speed, but would be better served as a strong-side end, playing alongside an under-tackle, as his ability to impact ball carriers and push the outside running game back into the pile is one of his better attributes.

Posted by: TWISI | April 27, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Ifwe go 8-8 will we lossjust are qb or will we loss the coach too .An there fore haveto start all over again ?

Posted by: joevick | April 27, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Washington Redskins (Last Year: 8-8)

2009 NFL Draft Grade:

Did anyone else find it humorous that the Redskins took all of two seconds to hand in their card? I still can't believe Brian Orakpo fell to No. 13. It's also rare that Daniel Snyder can take advantage of the stupidity of other general managers.

Kevin Barnes was solid draft value at No. 80, but he didn't fill a need. He is insurance, however, if DeAngelo Hall once again becomes a problem in the locker room.

Washington couldn't find much value in the later rounds. The team also ignored its need for a right tackle. Well, at least Snyder didn't trade away any future selections.

Grade given on 4/27/09: B-
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That's it, Greg. I think it's about right. I think there were a lot of center/guards in this draft, and it's a shame we didn't get one.

I saw MistaMoe make the point earlier that it's likely no one we could have picked after round one could have started next year.

I'd like to ask anyone to explain why, if it takes 2 years to get an offensive line starter out of the draft, you should put off drafting one when 5 of you six starters (I'm including Heyer with the other 5 guys) are over 30?

By the way, the Giants and Eagles both got A+.

It it takes 2 years, you need to draft replacements sooner, not later.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 27, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Is no one else upset that we drafted Malcolm knees Kelly?

Posted by: BenchCampbell | April 27, 2009 2:31 PM |

After the Cutler/Campbell/Sanchez shabingus you're on Malcolm Kelly? That is so last year. Kelly? Let's talk about Antonio Pierce or Adam Archuletta.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 27, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

and i think my initial belief that if he (jc) was any good gibbs would not have left when he did.

jc sucks. everyone in the league including these three stooges (danny, zorny, vinny) know it. it's time for the jc apologists to move back a bit, take a deep breath and reasses(sp).

i can't wait till next year. when the skins have a new coach, new gm, and a new QB!!!

Posted by: dealer1 | April 27, 2009 2:23 PM

So Gibbs wouldn't have retired if Campbell was any good, and the Snyder is going to fire Vinny? Pass it to the left....

Posted by: dlhaze1 | April 27, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

- Maybe Jansen is born again hard core….
Torn achilles, broken ankle, straight ahead snow plow, fast end can easily run around him. Should play guard or center at this point.
- Maybe Samuels and Thomas are both going to stay healthy and have great years again….
Unlikely given the serious injuries they have suffered and their age. Both have had serious career threatening injuries plus knees.
- Maybe Heyer will step up and turn into a starting caliber tackle……
More within the realm of possibility but his fundamentals are still poor and he is still far too easy to beat.
- Maybe Rinehart will show enough improvement to hit the field in case of injury, or even better, push for a starting spot….
Everyone is riding Campbell, when are you going to ride on this guy? He needs to step up! He was a 3rd rounder? But he seems a likely candidate for the waiver wire.
- Maybe Williams will shed some weight and show that he was worth a 1st round pick from when he was drafted…..
This has the most potential of all that you've suggested so far. Yet it too seems very risky ... Snyder should be ashamed for ignoring this critical need.
- Maybe Rabach won’t get hurt…..
He is going to be 32.
- Maybe one of the U of MD kids can be a surprise……
Pray that the center Edwin Williams is interested in getting good fast.


Unfortunately these are all maybes……only player not really a question mark (besides Samuels when healthy) is Dockery (hopefully).

Posted by: periculum | April 27, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

TE Kelly is still on this team... apples and oranges my friend

Posted by: BenchCampbell | April 27, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

I'm in the "we coulda done a lot worse" group. I'm not hatin' but it was curious to see that we did not even attempt to bring in a tackle through the draft but we selected another TE. Apparently the guy is an h-back or Full back versus being a TE and this is suppose to pressure Sellers into getting into camp on time but hell MS better recognize that not many teams require the service of a true FB. I'm not so sure about the Cody selection either seemed too arly to take a guy who has only played the position for a season. Selecting another WR was a let's go home pick. Everyone in the draft room was tired and said who is the biggest WR left? take him I'm outta here...

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 27, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, they're dire and desperate at the line.

There will be some releases as a result of this draft. They will have to look into picking up some. They'll be looking for ways to restructure/release people to fit them. Sellers latest must have upset them mightily ...

Posted by: periculum | April 27, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

te NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

I hope guru moves in next door to you, and that you discover skippy is relations with you(written in skippy speak).....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 27, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Cassell and Rothlisburger were sacked more then JC17 by 10 sacks, so why arn't we talking about how bad there O-Lines are.

Cassell went 11-5 with a better WR's but not near the running game of the Skins.

Roth, won the SB he had a great defense but so do the Skins, sacks don't measure everything. Some of the sacks are on JC17 some are on the RB for not picking up blitzes.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 27, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Roth was a very average QB last year, and worse than JC17 in some ways. And there was ALOT of talk about how bad their O-line was. Roth is obviously better in the clutch, but the story of Pittsburgh is the defense for both Superbowls Roth has won. But Roth also has a better receiving corps to work with.

Cassel has a MUCH better receiving corps to work with - IMO the best receiver tandem in the league not named Boldin/Fitzgerald. Not sure why the running game is relevant to # of sacks taken...when you drop back to pass, the running game is a non-issue.

Let's say there are 3 facets to a passing game: QB, O-line/pass-blocking, receiving corps/getting open. For the Redskins last year, rank (in your opinion) which of these facets was most problematic in order...here are mine:

1) O-line/pass-blocking
2) receiving corps
3) QB

O-line/pass-blocking beats out receiving corps by a shade b/c we are hoping to see some of our young WRs take a step forward, so at least there is some hope.

The O-line is old and breaking down, and apart from Heyer - who looks like a capable backup - who are the next young guys that look ready to step up?

Posted by: p1funk | April 27, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

The best of the rookies will emerge in pre season and they will make the team. The UDFA's from last year and the 2 MD ol guys will all compete for back up spots on the line. It's time for these young 6-5 315 lb dudes to step up and earn their paycheck. I am sure we have potential starters with these OL prospects. No one in the later rounds that played OL would have any greater chance to make the team as a backup then do our UDFA from last year or this year.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 27, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Larry Bud:
"Your name suits your maturity and level of ignorance.

And for all the Heyer haters; he is the starting right tackle. He was outplaying Jansen before he got hurt, in pre-season and the previous season and he is easily better than anyone the Skins could have taken after round 2."

News Flash for ya LarryBud- Heyer SUCKS as well. Saying he was "outplaying" Jansen is not saying much- Jansen is at this point in his career the worst RT in the league.

Posted by: richard_cranium | April 27, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

I can't wait till next year. when the skins have a new coach, new gm, and a new QB!!!

The Spurrier years! You must like rooting for 0 and 16 teams like Detroit. Losing must be your passion!

Posted by: dealer1 | April 27, 2009

Posted by: periculum | April 27, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

On Orakpo, its likely he'll not have a major impact in year 1.

The Skins need to figure out whether he is an LB or a DE at the NFL level. That requires experimenting. After they get some clarity on where he is best, the Skins need to give him that job and let him grow into it. If it takes all season, that's OK.

There are a few LBs that hit the scene and were immediate impact players (Willis, Mayo, Merriman). Orakpo could be another, but its unfair to count on that.

If he becomes the next Willis, great. If he takes a year to develop and becomes a beast in year 2 (a la Mario Williams), that's also great.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 27, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of Fire engines...

If Edge gets released and we can sign him to a 1 year deal like a mil and incentives I would love to see him spell portis..

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | April 27, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

te NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

I hope guru moves in next door to you, and that you discover skippy is relations with you(written in skippy speak).....

Posted by: BeantownGreg

are you saying we needed to add more TE to this roster?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 27, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

slim, you know that Portis is gonna push for his fellow cane.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 27, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

It it takes 2 years, you need to draft replacements sooner, not later.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 27, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Thank you, we had taken a T, G, or C in rounds 1-3 we'd be expecting immediate contribution if not starters. But we have to start drafting talent on our line at some point and give it time to develop, the truth is we should have drafted a T, G, and C last year when we had 10 picks, instead, we took one guard in 16 picks over the last two years and the jury is still way out on him.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 27, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

The Skins have been in the postseason 3 times in the past 16 years, and won exactly 2 games.

Clearly that's JC17's fault!

Ironically, the Broncos made the playoffs 3 straight seasons and posted a 40-19 record BEFORE Cutler guided them to 17-20 (he took over a 7-4 team and went 2-3 the rest of the way in 2006, finishing 9-7 to miss the playoffs). Obviously, they never made the playoffs with Cutler at the helm.

Yet the same people bashing JC17's record were salivating over Cutler. Brilliant!

Posted by: Alan4 | April 27, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully this is the year the fans start to speak about the ineptitude about the team. It does seem the tide is turning. Once again, this team will have a tough time scoring more than 17 points. Jason Campbell will go the way of patrick Ramsey: Decent QB who got killed by poor O-line play, and will develope a hitch in his play that forces him out of the league.

Oh, well. There wil always be some kool aid drinkers who spend the money and stroke the mighty Midgeets ego enough to make him think he is doing well.

Posted by: Leeguru | April 27, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

z, no, I'm admonishing te for bringing up pierce......

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 27, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to ask anyone to explain why, if it takes 2 years to get an offensive line starter out of the draft, you should put off drafting one when 5 of you six starters (I'm including Heyer with the other 5 guys) are over 30?

It it takes 2 years, you need to draft replacements sooner, not later.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya

Total 100% complete absolute agreement

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 27, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

O-line men feature "man-boobs". They aren't sexy "chick crack" that make for great spanking for good ol' Snidely Owl. Sorry, they go to da back of the bus ... back of da bus ... back of da bus.

Posted by: p1funk | April 27, 2009

Posted by: periculum | April 27, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

In our 4-3 scheme Orakpo is a DE. Now if we are smart we will play him there. We need cover OLBs, pressure from our front four, a tackling Mike backer, (which we have one of the best) we should be blitzing our safety more LL but the inexperience of Doughty, Horton etc keeps us from doing so and we play LL 20 yards down field it's almost playing 10 on 11 most snaps...

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 27, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

slim, you know that Portis is gonna push for his fellow cane.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 27, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

I think Edge has something left. Everyone talks about how bad our o line is.. AZ sucks a$$. I think Edge would be excited with Portis and maybe it would be a good thing even if just for a year. At least Edge isn't another TE!

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | April 27, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Total 100% complete absolute agreement
Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 27, 2009

Snyderato begat ZornSpurrier ...

Posted by: periculum | April 27, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

z, no, I'm admonishing te for bringing up pierce......

Posted by: BeantownGreg |

In that case, I'm on board.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 27, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

I'm admonishing te for bringing up pierce......

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 27, 2009 2:46 PM |

Two biggest mistakes the team ever made: letting Pierce go and drafting Malcolm Kelly. BenchCampbell has my blood boiling over the latter. And, don't get me started on Pierce.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 27, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

'...I saw MistaMoe make the point earlier that it's likely no one we could have picked after round one could have started next year....'


That was an opinion based on the observation that it seems the FO believes in the group of linemen it has--no matter what us bloaggs think.

Like everyone else, I wanted Antoine Caldwell and after he was gone, Duke Robinson. I really like how the jags snagged two tackles many felt were top guys: a move like that on the part of the skins would've been massively great.

But it didn't happen, and so, you move on.

And besides, given the tendencies of the Wizards of Redskins Park, the'd rather put out money for a lineman developed by another team than spend on their own.

If we're lucky, there's another Dock/Heyer type kid in the undrafted group waiting to be coached up.

And Buges is the best guy to find them.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 27, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

As much as I despise the FO, ESPN is reporting that Levi Jones is on the way out. Now if we somehow can manage to pick him up then I would say we filled most of our needs with this Draft, hoping that he overcomes his injuries because he is still relatively young at the age of 29

Posted by: kellsz1 | April 27, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Let it be known that Fedor is all about picking up E.James RB. He could spell Portis and CP would not get mad cause James is probably his boy and it could give Clinton a few more productive years. Bottom line if CP gets his usual 300 plus carries he is done.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 27, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

I criticized Snyderrato last week but I don't have a problem saying I am happy with how the 1st round turned out and the fact that we have all our picks next year. Lets sign so OL depth now!

Posted by: BarackObama | April 27, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Yes to the Edge! He is def a consoment (sp?) profesional who is looking to going up the Place in history ladder. He can do that with us by making the SB............

But, I don't know. He may still think he's a #1 back as he is chasing RB history as is Portis. Edge would have to take a backseat to the younger member of the U......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 27, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

kellsz1, isn't it scary when a guy who will be 30 when the season starts is considered a "youth infusion" for your OL?

Posted by: Alan4 | April 27, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

By the way, who cares what Clinton Portis text Snyederrato???? Since when does he know about building a championship team?

Posted by: BarackObama | April 27, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

In our 4-3 scheme Orakpo is a DE. Now if we are smart we will play him there.

Not LDE he can't stop the run. On passing downs that will be Haynesworth because he does not play DT well, he isn't disciplined enough, and it appears that position isn't the best place to utilize his talent on passing downs. That's what they found at Tennessee. That's one reason why he had a breakout year last year. So, are you going to be really stooooopid and not learn from that? I doubt that Blache is stupid, but one wonders about coach Snyder.

So, where do you play Orapko? You already have a RDE who is weak against the run but is better than Orapko currently?

He is going to play SLB if Blache has his way. That is where they need him to play. He will rush the passer from that position. He will have to learn to cover and stop the run. If Wilson doesn't beat him out. But it is what it is ... you wanted this guy stooopid kids, you got him Toyota.

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 27, 2009

Posted by: periculum | April 27, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

How about we start building a bandwagon to trade up for Eric Berry (cb-Tenn)next year? Why, because our FO won't draft oline next year either & he intercepts more than Dhall.

Posted by: will_ga | April 27, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Clinton Portis, SHUT YOUR MOUTH AND RUN WITH THE DAMM BALL!!!

Posted by: BarackObama | April 27, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

I am starting and EDGE movement..

Someone TWEET CP and tell him to call his boy.

EDGE EDGE EDGE EDGE EDGE EDGE EDGE EDGE EDGE!
EDGE EDGE EDGE EDGE EDGE EDGE EDGE EDGE EDGE!
EDGE EDGE EDGE EDGE EDGE EDGE EDGE EDGE EDGE!
EDGE EDGE EDGE EDGE EDGE EDGE EDGE EDGE EDGE!
EDGE EDGE EDGE EDGE EDGE EDGE EDGE EDGE EDGE!

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | April 27, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

The last two days has reminded me ofsomething--a good number of football fans think that they're a better evaluator of NFL talent than the professionals who dedicate their career to creating and cultivating teams and talent. Unless you're one of these NFL staffers with knowledge of the whole picture, you can't begin to act like you know better than the Skins staff does. As difficult as it can be given the recent history of our squad, it's time to have some faith in the Redskins and their ability to do something positive in this league.

On a side note,I'm not a fan of these unwarranted attacks on the UMD offensive line pick-ups. As a Terp, I might be a bit biased, but I've seen these people play time and time again. The oline that left Maryland after last season is a group of intelligent and dedicated athletes who clearly have impressed the Skins staff. Both Burley and Edwin Williams have the potential to be solid contributors to the Skins. I'd love to see Edwin, a local product, get the chance to step up big into the oline at center.

Overall, it's incredibly important to recognize you can't begin to judge the success of the Draft or UDFA pick ups until you've seen them on the field. Any statements made prior to that are baseless.

Posted by: SkinsFan22 | April 27, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

By the way, who cares what Clinton Portis text Snyederrato???? Since when does he know about building a championship team?

Posted by: BarackObama | April 27, 2009 2:54 PM

C'mon Mr President,
Let's leave the Clinton-basing behind!

(ba-da-bing)

Posted by: Alan4 | April 27, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

And Buges is the best guy to find them.
Posted by: MistaMoe | April 27, 2009

He doesn't get to pick them as he used to back-in-the-day. Now its coach Snyder and his pal Vinny who make these selections ... didn't you know?

Posted by: periculum | April 27, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Its funny, how the Tennessee Titans who had the best oline in the league allowing only 8 sacks last season thought it was a deep enough draft to take a Tackle and a Guard late, I wonder why they have a good line?

Michael Roos - LT 2nd round pick
Eugene Amano - G 7th round pick 5 years in the league 4 years in the league
Mawae - 2nd rounder acquired as FA 15 years in the league
Jake Scott - 5th Rounder acquired as FA 5years in league
David Stewart - 4th Rounder 4 years in league

Weird, three of their five starters they drafted, 2 of those with late round picks, and not a single one of their starters was a 1st round pick, the only replacement they'll need to find on the horizon is for Mawae and their the best line in football. But nope, draft mid to late round olineman isn't necessary since none of them will make an immediate impact....I swear, some of you must work at Redskins Park.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 27, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

"Thinking that JC can become a franchise QB because he's in his second year in the same "system" is like thinking you can save the world by driving a Prius.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz"

Has there ever been a less relevant, more ill-conceived and mind-numbing analogy presented on this blog?

Let me take a stab at it; expecting Clinton Portis to simply fall off after a 1400 yard season at the age of 27 is like drinking ice water with a lemon slice inside of it.

Posted by: psps23 | April 27, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

This is the best Redskins Draft Report I have yet on the entire web. Check it out and tell me what you think! This Stanza guy really seems to know our team.

http://www.fannation.com/blogs/post/379657-redskins-report-card-09-draft

Posted by: spyder7 | April 27, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

kenbeat: "You make a good point. The Steeler O-Line was Swiss cheese all year long, yet look who won the SB. Take a look at what the Eagles did to the Steelers in Week 3 last year -- 9 sacks. Part of the reason for that is that Big Ben holds onto the ball a bit too long, and so does Campbell. BUT, Big Ben also MAKES PLAYS when things break down. That's the big difference. Well, that and the fact that the Steelers D was like a pack of starving rabid wolves."

Roethlisberger's an interesting case. He alternately looks All-World and like he should have been cut in training camp. he does hold the ball too long, and takes too many sacks, but then he also manages to complete long, difficult throws with two or three tacklers hanging onto his legs.

Ben's a special QB who I suspect is underrated simply because of his erratic performances. You notice he's winning Super Bowls that more consistent players on very good teams somehow manage not to make it to, or lose when they get there. It's only natural to credit that terrific defense, but ask their defensive players, and they'll tell you who the real crunch-time player on that team is.

Consistency is overrated. Really good QBs take chances, and frequently get burned. That's what Zorn was trying to get across to Campbell last season -- dont' be perfect.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 27, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

CAN WE HIRE A REAL GM ALREADY????

Posted by: BarackObama | April 27, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

There are a few LBs that hit the scene and were immediate impact players (Willis, Mayo, Merriman). Orakpo could be another, but its unfair to count on that.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 27, 2009

He's a linebacker. He is the heir apparent to MWash. Learn to stop the run. Learn to cover receivers. Then rush the passer. He will succeed.

Posted by: periculum | April 27, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

How about we start building a bandwagon to trade up for Eric Berry (cb-Tenn)next year? Why, because our FO won't draft oline next year either & he intercepts more than Dhall.

Posted by: will_ga


Sign me up.

Oh, and draft Sergio Kindle to be the SAM after AC is let go and Orakpo moves to RDE

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 27, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Alan4...not when you consider jon jansen is 33. I am not saying levi jones is the long term answer, but I am sure he could be productive for another 2 years. Look every team has issues, no team can fill every need possible. It just so happens are need is RT.

Posted by: kellsz1 | April 27, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

I had no idea what a beast of a hitter Barnes was in college. Read about his hitting exploits on this 'Skins draft Report Card blog:

http://www.fannation.com/blogs/post/379657-redskins-report-card-09-draft

Posted by: spyder7 | April 27, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

that 4 years on amano was supposed to be on the Roos line

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 27, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

My cousin Kimbo Slice said he is willing to come in and try out for our O or D line.

What do you all think?

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | April 27, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

He's a linebacker. He is the heir apparent to MWash. Learn to stop the run. Learn to cover receivers. Then rush the passer. He will succeed.

Posted by: periculum

Don't know enough about Orakpo to make that judgment. Me, I let this get sorted out over the 2009 season. Its most important that the Skins figure out what the best position for him is, then let him develop at that spot.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 27, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Comments: Redskins Nation can take a collective sigh of relief: the Washington Redskins didn't do anything too dramatic or controversial in the '09 draft. Instead, they opted to address positions of need and build depth. Working without second or fourth rounders, I like how the Skins stuck to a needs-based approach, starkly contrasting with last year's best-available-player philosophy. However, these are the Redskins and of course, this draft, like all 'Skins drafts, leaves something to be desired. The 'Skins FO failed to draft a single O-lineman, and such neglect is unacceptable considering the 'Skins had one of the poorest O-lines in the NFL last year. Starting QB Jason Campbell desperately needs protection to save his job. Further, the mileage on Clinton Portis' body is getting higher every season, and given that he is a smaller back who plays a physical brand of ball, he needs more help from the big boys up front as well. At OT, the health and skills of Jon Jansen, once a stalwart RT, have been rapidly declining, and LT Chris Samuels, while still capable of playing at a Pro-Bowl level, is in the twilight of his career. At guard, we have Derrick Dockery, who Buffalo didn't want anymore and Washington recently took back, and Randy Thomas, who is recovering from recent neck surgery. Center Casey Rabach is penalty-prone and serviceable at best; he was embarrassed several times last year when he was utterly incapable of executing his blocking duties. With these realities firmly apparent, it is inconceivable that Snyder and Cerrato did nothing to remedy them. Nevertheless, 2009 must be declared an overall success for the 'Skins, they made a solid first-round pick, and while they didn't plug all of their holes, they infused several key roster slots with new blood in the later rounds.

I think that's perfectly said, I just happen to be of the opinion we needed Oline more than a 6th and practice squad linebacker....

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 27, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

What is the Redskins obsession Maryland players? Virginia Tech whoops Maryland and is in the ACC Championship every year, yet we never gave Vince Hall, Orion Martin, or any other of their undrafted players with potential any mind. Lane Stadium is about 2 things: people who eat, sleep, and breathe football, and huge smoked turkey legs.

Hoki, Hoki, Hoki, Hi!

Posted by: hokiesmokie | April 27, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

"You make a good point. The Steeler O-Line was Swiss cheese all year long, yet look who won the SB. Take a look at what the Eagles did to the Steelers in Week 3 last year -- 9 sacks. Part of the reason for that is that Big Ben holds onto the ball a bit too long, and so does Campbell. BUT, Big Ben also MAKES PLAYS when things break down. That's the big difference. Well, that and the fact that the Steelers D was like a pack of starving rabid wolves."

Ben has also been in the league for a while. His was a new VERY, VERY YOUNG OL. They had to come together, develop chemistry etc. Ben threw a few too many INTS and was sacked a lot. But you know what they will get better, they will get stronger and with Urbik playing guard ... they may be vastly improved. But Pittsburgh decided it had to be done. They grew tired of aged OL constantly on the IR, unable to practice because of bad knees.

Posted by: periculum | April 27, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Don't know enough about Orakpo to make that judgment. Me, I let this get sorted out over the 2009 season. Its most important that the Skins figure out what the best position for him is, then let him develop at that spot.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 27, 2009

If he fails at linebacker then he could end up replacing Carter. I don't think LDE is his position in this defense.

Posted by: periculum | April 27, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

QB-CHASE DANIEL WAS A GOODING SIGNING,
I BELIEVE HE HAS THE TOOLS TO BE A DECENT
QB, IF GIVEN TIME TO DEVELOP.

Posted by: madalao | April 27, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

What's up with all the race horses getting knocked off lately?

Posted by: RedDMV | April 27, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

check out john halman's highlight clip on youtube.. you can link to it by googling john halman and following the links..

playing at a low level of competition (concordia is division ??) he was simply a man among boys.. that is all you can say about those kinds of players.. 6 3" with long arms and legs.. he was simply uncoverable both long and short.

obviously, he will be a developmental prospect. probably a ticket to the PSquad.
but, i bet that he looks a lot like T.O.
did coming out of a small school as well.

if nothing else, he should be fun to watch in camp

Posted by: shally | April 27, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

What's up with all the race horses getting knocked off lately?

Posted by: RedDMV | April 27, 2009 3:15 PM |

Day after the draft, grades are coming in and you wanna talk horse racing? Sheesh, Red.

Can't you even join BenchCampbell's chorus of complaints about drafting Malcolm Kelly with bad knees last year? If he were a race horse, they would have put him down with those knees.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 27, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

I think they got some bad food.

What's up with that scare in NYC? I've been getting tweeted about it all morn long?

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 27, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Samson151, very intriguing observation. I would add, too, that maybe the Steelers pass-catchers are better playmakers.

ARE and Cooley actualluy both had their best seasons ever last year yardage-wise, so I tend to believe JC17 is working with what he's got.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 27, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Orakpo=Ken Harvey

On two feet on the left side for run downs, lined up behind Carter as a blitzer on passing downs or hand on the ground on the right side with Carter inside at tackle on third and long.

Either way, he shouldn't start or play at de-end until he gets a feel for the league.

We have Daniels/Carter to play end. Let Orakpo line up next to either of them and blitz or play the run as a slb.

Also, I'm interested in how R Thomas gets used. Hopefully, he'll do more than just play special teams and back up Rocky Mac.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 27, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

zjfr: "Weird, three of their five starters they drafted, 2 of those with late round picks, and not a single one of their starters was a 1st round pick, the only replacement they'll need to find on the horizon is for Mawae and their the best line in football. But nope, draft mid to late round olineman isn't necessary since none of them will make an immediate impact....I swear, some of you must work at Redskins Park."

That's a good observation, but as to being the best line in football last year, I don't think they are. They're good, but far from the best.

The real heroes of that low sack rate, IMO, are 1) the running attack, and 2) Kerry Collins.

First, the running backs. Tennessee finished 7th in rushing yards, with Chris Johnson over 1200 yards and LenDale White over 700. That took quite a bit of pressure off the passing attack, which finished 27th.

Second, Collins throws short (something he didn't do when he came into the League), and when pressured, adroitly dumps the ball off. That's why his per-throw average is only a bit over 6 yards. In 415 attempts over 15 games, he suffered only 7 interceptions -- and threw only 12 TDs.

Sound like any other QB you know?

Kerry completed a respectable but not exceptional 58%. The main difference between Collins and Campbell was (you guessed it) the sacks. Jason threw a lot more passes, completed a higher percentage, and got sacked a lot more. He threw one more TD and was intercepted one less time.

My theory is that after years of battering in NY and Oakland, Collins learned to get rid of the ball rather than pulling a Roethlisberger and trying to complete a pass under pressure. So by the time the rush arrived, the ball was long gone, and a sack wasn't an issue.

Anyway, I think that's what Zorn was trying to coach his QB up about last year -- pull the trigger a little faster, take a few more chances, don't worry so much about your percentage.

The Titans' line did a wonderful job, but IMO they had a LOT of help. And of course, we haven't even got to the defense yet -- and they were the real key to the season.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 27, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

MistaMoe - Harvey was legit LB with great pass rush skills. No way Orakpo is that now. Maybe in 3-5 years.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 27, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Samson151 | April 27, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

lol, so now its JC's fault the line gave up sacks? as someone who has tried to make that argument and not gotten through to anyone on here let me tell you, nobody will buy that JC has any blame for slow decisions, a slow release, holding the ball to long, and actually running into sacks, that's all the systems fault and the fact that despite him being a 4 year vet and given the job for the last two seasons he's never had a real shot at learning......barf

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 27, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Why are people giving up on Malcolm Kelly? He says he's healthy, I believe missing this weeks camp is a precaution. There seems to be little debate he can play when healthy. We'll see if he gets on the field but assuming he's close to what everyone says healthwise, seems WAY too early to proclaim bust.

Posted by: AdamCr | April 27, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Cassell and Rothlisburger were sacked more then JC17 by 10 sacks, so why arn't we talking about how bad there O-Lines are.

Who were there receivers? Did their running backs catch passes break off long runs?

Cassell went 11-5 with a better WR's but not near the running game of the Skins.
When the Skins had the best running game they were 6-2 remember? And one of those should have been won except a certain OL decided to run with the ball. (Wondering if that's what got him his release?)

When THEY HAD ****NO**** running game and the OL collapsed they were 2 - 6. Remember? Or were you pulling the pud when all that happened?

Roth, won the SB he had a great defense but so do the Skins, sacks don't measure everything. Some of the sacks are on JC17 some are on the RB for not picking up blitzes.

Sure, spank the monkey live in your delusions. Blame JC17. Then you'll blame Colt, or Cutler or Sanchez ... long litany, broken record.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 27, 2009

Posted by: periculum | April 27, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Adam are you serious he just had ANOTHER knee surgery... he isnt getting anywhere near the field anytime soon... You are joking right??

Posted by: BenchCampbell | April 27, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

zjfr: "lol, so now its JC's fault the line gave up sacks?"

I'm not into fault-finding, friend -- there's always enough to go around. Just pointing out that a QB who gets rid of the ball faster gets sacked less. Which I think was Zorn's point, too.

The O-line in Washington is not a target of mine. I think they're pretty decent. Not great -- maybe not good enough -- but better than many around the league.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 27, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Why are people giving up on Malcolm Kelly? He says he's healthy, I believe missing this weeks camp is a precaution. There seems to be little debate he can play when healthy. We'll see if he gets on the field but assuming he's close to what everyone says healthwise, seems WAY too early to proclaim bust.

Three knee surgeries before he really hit the pros and has really played at all. Playing wide receiver where you need your wheels. Best hope for him is as a part-time role player. Won't even be able to play on the specials. Near-term waiver wire release. He's not a bust he's an IR warrior already.

Posted by: periculum | April 27, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Bengals Will Trade Or Cut Levi Jones
Posted by Mike Florio on April 27, 2009, 3:28 p.m.
With left tackle Andre Smith secured via the sixth overall pick in the draft, the Cincinnati Bengals now plan to drop a first-round pick from seven years ago.

According to James Walker of ESPN.com, the Bengals have informed Levi Jones that they plan to trade or cut him.

Per Walker, the Bengals kept Jones in the event that they didn’t emerge from the draft with a replacement.

“Nothing has happened so far, but we expect something to happen very shortly,” agent Kenny Zuckerman of Priority Sports told Walker. “The Bengals told me it was highly likely that he would be traded or released.”

Per NFLPA records, Jones is under contract for four more years, at base salaries of $3 million in 2009, $3.75 million in 2010, $4.55 million in 2011, and $5 million in 2012.

Coincidentally, Smith hired last week agent Rick Smith. Of Priority Sports. And so as one client of the firm becomes the new left tackle of the Bengals, another client of the firm is losing that same gig.

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 27, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

4thfloor

'...Harvey was legit LB with great pass rush skills. No way Orakpo is that now. Maybe in 3-5 years...'

Well, unless a guy is a HOF in any sport, no one starts out great.

That's why giving Orakpo some very easy tasks as slb--with the idea of 'training him up' is important.

I'll be honest and say what I think: if the skins are lucky, Orakpo might become a Suggs/Freeney type end.

That's what I thought while watching the kid play in about three games last season, the best being the Ohio State bowl game where he couldn't be blocked on several plays and moved from the left to right side of the d with no problems.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 27, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Kelly spent most of last year inactive, because he was too hurt to play (knee problems). The Redskins knew of his injury history and were advised not to draft him. But, of course, they defied logic and selected him.

Posted by: BenchCampbell | April 27, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

The O-line in Washington is not a target of mine. I think they're pretty decent. Not great -- maybe not good enough -- but better than many around the league.

Oldest in the NFL. Good for around eight games, not 16 and especially not 18.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 27, 2009

Posted by: periculum | April 27, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Adam are you serious he just had ANOTHER knee surgery... he isnt getting anywhere near the field anytime soon... You are joking right??

Posted by: BenchCampbell | April 27, 2009 3:34 PM

This is horrible. I can't believe this. How could the Redskins have been so bone headed as to draft this crutch-guy? I am really mad about this.

BC, What's your theory as to why they drafted him? Do you think Vinny got a kick back from his signing bonus?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 27, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

see

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 27, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Kelly had surgery following the season. This isn't news. He's missing the camp as scheduled, but is on pace to be back by the end of OTAs, as scheduled. And seeing as how he's clearly the most exciting offensive prospect currently on the roster, if you take his teammates' and coaches' comments into consideration, any suggestions of cutting him would be beyond inept.

If the Redskins' offense is going to take any sort of significant leap next season, Malcolm Kelly is the most likely proponent to give it to them.

Posted by: psps23 | April 27, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Just my sense of this offseason so far. On defense, for 2009, the Skins are roughly the same as 2008. Albert is a huge improvement, but we also lost 4 useful pieces on defense.

Orakpo may become a great player, but its a bit much to expect his to be an impact rookie. At DE, its pretty rare for a rookie to be make a major impact, less rare at LB.

On offense, we probably upgraded at RG with Dockery. Kendall was a good stop gap, Dockery is a long term fix. Campbell and Zorn should be better because its year 2 in this system.

Still, the offense is not much different from 2008.

The offense is highly dependent on unreliable parts. That includes the OL, last year's unproductive rookies (Kelly, Thomas, Davis, Reinhart), Portis' health and Santana's hammy.

Depth-wise, we are a little more vulnerable than in 2008.

The 2009 schedule is pretty tough. We have 4 games against 2008 patsies (Rams, Lions, Chiefs, Raiders), but those were the only teams under .500 last season. I think we're 3-1 vs the teams I mentioned, 5-7 vs the rest of the tough schedule.

The wildcards for me are:
As always, health of key players (Samuels, Moss, Fletcher)
Orakpo becoming a Merriman
Thomas having a major uptick at WR

At this point, this team seems like another year of 8-8.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 27, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

t_e, I can only talk about the draft so much. Talk & blather before the draft (understood) - talk and blather after the draft (not understood)... at this point, it is what is.

But in addition to those 21 horses that were wacked last week and I just read on WaPo.com that a filly died as a result of a collision.

Spring-summer... time for NBA playoffs, Wimbledon, and the Derby.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 27, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

I'm not into fault-finding, friend -- there's always enough to go around. Just pointing out that a QB who gets rid of the ball faster gets sacked less. Which I think was Zorn's point, too.

So, I guess Ben Rothlinsburger didn't get rid of the ball quick enough? He was sacked 46 times. Had 15 interceptions? Is it the line or is it Ben? Same deal with Cassel.

You guys can't make up your mind can you?

Posted by: periculum | April 27, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

When was his last surgery? They said he'd be fully ready for June. I said who knows but it's too early to write him off. Would you rather he suck so you could say I told you so or that he get healthy and become a contributor?

We all cuss out the FO for lacking patience (justifiably in many cases) but some of the same fans are quick to write off guys that have a chance on this team

Posted by: AdamCr | April 27, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Red,

So, I guess I can't ask you to explain to me why they drafted another tight end in the 7th round instead of an OT? Oh well, I guess that's what Jack and Periculum are for.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 27, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

We all cuss out the FO for lacking patience (justifiably in many cases) but some of the same fans are quick to write off guys that have a chance on this team

Posted by: AdamCr | April 27, 2009 3:45 PM |

oops. You found me. I was too quick to write off Marty Schottenheimer and too slow to write off Dan Cnyder and Vinnie Serrato.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 27, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone seen the Washington Redskins lately? I feel certain that they've been hijacked and the fans held hostage for the past ten years.

The Skins front office SUCKS! Not UMD linemen, not JC17, not Zorn, not Kelly - well maybe Kelly - BUT THIS ORGANIZATION STINKS!!! FROM THE OWNER ON DOWN. THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT IT MEANS TO BUILD A TEAM. THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT IT MEANS TO ESTABLISH A WINNING TRADITION.

I love to read all the posts about this position and that position. It's all irrelevant really. These guys are in it for the money. They could give less a dam about what we think as fans or even what the league thinks about their management "expertise". THEY HAVE NONE. THEY SUCK! VINNY SUCKS! DANNY SUCKS! AT FOOTBALL. THEY KNOW HOW TO MANAGE THE CASH THOUGH!

Posted by: BenThere | April 27, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

At this point, this team seems like another year of 8-8.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 27, 2009

You replace Marcus Washington, Shawn Springs, and Jason Taylor with Brian Orapko, DeAngelo Hall, and Albert Haynesworth.

You suddenly became a lot younger BUT the main complaint against the guys who left was their inability to stay on the field for 16 games. (BTW, that is a serious issue with the offensive line, why wasn't it addressed?) When they played you had a top 1-4 defense in the NFL. Two of the guys you replaced them with are younger but have a history of not playing in all 16 games, and having "attitude" problems. The other had injury issues in college.

Does Brian Orapko, a rookie, == Marcus Washington?
Does DeAngelo Hall, a veteran == Shawn Springs? Remember New England just traded a starting corner to the Eagles. His replacement is?
Haynesworth is better than Jason Taylor but will he play more than 50% of your games? Will he fit into this defense?

On offense? An aged, decrepit line led by two great warriors, Samuels and Jansen. Can they last 16 games. Can Thomas last 16 games? Heyer, who now has a history of injury problems? Rabach? Who replaces them when they go down? Can Portis last longer than 8 games because that's all he was good for last year? Who replaces him? Davis and Thomas step up ... will that be enough? Can the team overcome the total disrespect shown Jason Campbell?

I think 8-8 is a reach but I hope you are right?

Posted by: periculum | April 27, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

As for kellys surgeries I think the number is a little overstated. Just bc they went under a knife in many cases it's minor/cleanup, which some of his were. Colt had a minor procedure this offseason, lots of guys do. As for speed he's more of a posession guy so that's somewhat less of a concern. If he is hampered all year by the knee, blast away criticizing the pick, but as of today I still think it's too early to say.

Posted by: AdamCr | April 27, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

No, t_e, I'll leave that to the RI draft gurus/owners/GMs.

They can properly break down the 26th ranked offensive linemen for you, I'd rather sit through an insurance siminar.

With the signings toward the end of last year and the recently signed UDFAs they have depth along the line, maybe not the personnel you'd like, but hey...

Posted by: RedDMV | April 27, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

BC, What's your theory as to why they drafted him? Do you think Vinny got a kick back from his signing bonus?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 27, 2009

On Mel Kiper's top 5 receivers list for 2008 along with Thomas and Davis. Plus he was tall and lanky.

Posted by: periculum | April 27, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

As for kellys surgeries I think the number is a little overstated. Just bc they went under a knife in many cases it's minor/cleanup, which some of his were.

A little clean up means you are able to practice in 6 weeks. This guy spent an entire season and it is now going into the offseason. He can't participate in the minicamp he is still rehabbing.

Posted by: periculum | April 27, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse


So, I guess Ben Rothlinsburger didn't get rid of the ball quick enough? He was sacked 46 times. Had 15 interceptions? Is it the line or is it Ben? Same deal with Cassel.

You guys can't make up your mind can you?

Posted by: periculum *****

Big Ben thinks he's a lineman that plays QB and therefore stands in too long, but is able to due to his size. If you are arguing a QB that releases the ball faster than another isn't going to have as many sacks, then I think you have completely missed the point.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | April 27, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

With the signings toward the end of last year and the recently signed UDFAs they have depth along the line, maybe not the personnel you'd like, but hey...

Posted by: RedDMV | April 27, 2009

Terrel Suggs to Captain Crash: "I went to the sidelines and told them you can't put that guy in someone is going to get hurt!" Captain Crash: "We didn't have anyone else!" Terrel Suggs to Captain Crash:"Yeah I know you were depleted."

Please tell me how this has changed?

Posted by: periculum | April 27, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Big Ben thinks he's a lineman that plays QB and therefore stands in too long, but is able to due to his size. If you are arguing a QB that releases the ball faster than another isn't going to have as many sacks, then I think you have completely missed the point.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | April 27, 2009

Not at all. Just arguing that it wasn't the problem, wasn't even a factor. The guy notorious for his "windup" played for that team and was very successful replacing big Ben. He is now in Tampa Bay.

Posted by: periculum | April 27, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

The team has rebuilt its D-Line while its LB's are older and we have no proven strong side backer. DB's should be as good as last year without Springs given a better pass rush.

The offense again has been neglected with the exception of Dockery replacing Kendall. Samuels and Thomas are both coming off major offseason surgeries while RT is still a weakness. Unless either Kelly or Thomas steps up, we still have big problems at WR in stretching the field plus the red zone.

Kudos for signing Indy's punter who will help the special teams, but this shapes up as another 8-8 or 9-7 season in a tough division.

Posted by: wizfan89 | April 27, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

1st.
Too many here tend to believe the mid to late round OL men develop overnight.

2nd.
This offensive line was built for a different offense then the one we currently run.

3rd.
JC, I love the kid. He's a class act, and I'm pulling for him, but the truth is he doesn't fit our passing game well.
He would be perfect in a Gibbs style offense (not Saunders, Gibbs)

The point is we no longer run a mass protect, play action passing game, and if JC doesn't improve his decision making and stop holding on to the ball too long he is going to continue to struggle.

Posted by: jberry73 | April 27, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

THE SURGERY WAS IN FEB 09 THIS YEAR PEOPLE!

Feb. 19, 2009 - 6:06 p.m. ET

Redskins coach Jim Zorn revealed Thursday that Malcolm Kelly needed another arthroscopic surgery on his bad knee after the season.


Kelly said in late December that no surgery was planned, but that information was false. The 2008 second-round pick has issues in both knees. He caught only three balls as a rookie and is no lock to contribute in 2009.

Source: NFL.com

Posted by: BenchCampbell | April 27, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

"Ironically, the Broncos made the playoffs 3 straight seasons and posted a 40-19 record BEFORE Cutler guided them to 17-20 (he took over a 7-4 team and went 2-3 the rest of the way in 2006, finishing 9-7 to miss the playoffs). Obviously, they never made the playoffs with Cutler at the helm.

Yet the same people bashing JC17's record were salivating over Cutler. Brilliant!


Posted by: Alan4"

To quote Jay-Z in "U Don't Know"....that's where you're wrong.

You can't seperate everyone into two groups. Maybe some people feel JC isn't the answer, but will also say neither Sanchez nor Cutler would have been the answer either.

Although general consensus among umm, everyone of importance in the NFL (you know, that gets PAID to do what you do for free on this blog) pretty much agrees that Cutler > JC. Hell, I'll bet JC agrees with that. He'd be too "classy" to say any different wouldn't he?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 27, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Mar. 25, 2009 - 11:55 a.m. ET

Redskins WR Malcolm Kelly (knee surgery) has yet to be cleared for participation in offseason workouts.

Unlike Devin Thomas, Kelly is eager to get to work but his knee won't allow it.While the 'Skins need Kelly as a physical presence opposite Santana Moss, his knee concerns aren't going away anytime soon.

Source: Washington Post

Posted by: BenchCampbell | April 27, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

2nd.
This offensive line was built for a different offense then the one we currently run
Posted by: jberry73 | April 27, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Then why didn't we select more OL in this draft if we do not have the correct personel?

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 27, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Campbell “Mobbed” By Reporters At Golf Outing
Posted by Mike Florio on April 27, 2009, 3:38 p.m.
Redskins quarterback Jason Campbell held a charity golf tournament on Monday.

And given his team’s ongoing efforts to trade for his replacement, Campbell was “mobbed” by reporters, a league source tells us.

Campbell spoke about the circumstances, which began with the Redskins trying to trade for former Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler, and which continued more recently with an effort to get in position to draft quarterback Mark Sanchez.

“It’s an awkward situation because after the Cutler deal, we did sit down and talk and then the Sanchez talk came up,” Campbell said, according to the Washington Times. “I don’t know how much of it was true. Through the whole thing, I didn’t know what was going on and what wasn’t going on. My mindset was to be prepared for both scenarios.”

So how much of the Sanchez talk was true? How about all of it? Per David Elfin of the Times, V.P. of football operations Vinny Cerrato admitted that the Redskins tried to trade up for Sanchez.

The next question, in our view, is whether the effort to find Campbell’s replacement will continue — or whether the ‘Skins will simply decide to move forward with Campbell for at least the 2009 season.

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 27, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

I read on the "official Redskins Blog" that kelly is working hard on rehab for knee and that it now feels sttronger than ever. He will miss the mini camp ( but not entirely) but he will be ready for June OTAs and ready for this season. Quit being so damn negative and actually root for your team and it's players and the management!

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 27, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Ya heard me?

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 27, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

The whole point I get from most of the JC fanatics here (some of us are just cheering for our team, some of yall are ridiculous in love with this guy) is that :

If you put a GREAT running back and a GREAT offensive line and GREAT wide receivers and a GREAT defense on a team with AVERAGE JC, he could probably win the playoffs because he wouldn't lose you a game.

What we want is a GREAT quarterback that could win the playoffs in spite of an AVERAGE offensive line with a GOOD running back and a SOLID wide receiver group and a PRETTY GOOD defense.


And there might be more than you think there are. The thing is I can't remember seeing JC take over a game, EVER. I'm sure Cutler, Manning, Brees, Romo, Brady, Philip Rivers, Kurt Warner, Eli, Carson Palmer, Kurt Warner, Roethlesberger, and even Matt Cassell have done this on plenty of occasions.

Could you imagine JC doing what Eli and Big Ben did in the last two Superbowls? If you think he could do that, please give me what you're smoking. Ain't no way.

Zorn hinted at this on Sunday, he just doesn't get in that rhythm where opposing D's are really worried. Solid quarterback, sure, but I really haven't seen any signs of that "it" factor very good NFL QB's have. Now go ahead and dissect it, pull out some random stat like, I don't know "Passes between 4-6 yards completed with 34 seconds on the clock in the 4th quarter when we're losing by one score."

My point is, JC lacks the intangibles.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 27, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

They got two MD linemen which is good and they signed Chace Daniel who is actually a very good QB who threw to Macklin. Why draft Sanchez when you can sign Daniel FA. I cant say its a bad draft when you consider they addressed some positions with these signings.

Posted by: ged0386 | April 27, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Here is the link...

http://blog.redskins.com/2009/04/15/malcolm-kelly-is-all-business/

It has been posted here before, I know

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 27, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

And I agree with someone here, JC might be better suited for an offense like what Oakland tries to run. They fail at it pretty bad though. He's exactly what Oakland wanted out of Russel I think.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 27, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

They got two MD linemen which is good and they signed Chace Daniel who is actually a very good QB who threw to Macklin. Why draft Sanchez when you can sign Daniel FA. I cant say its a bad draft when you consider they addressed some positions with these signings.

Posted by: ged0386 | April 27, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Are you saying Chase Daniel is a poor man's Mark Sanchez?

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 27, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Ok well NFL.com is a good source, washingtonpost who knows, and kellys interview last week on redskins.com where he said June 100% is his own opinion. Believe who you will. He'll have to prove it this season but debating here isn't going to make it better or worse. All i asked was why some people want to pronounce his career definitively over. Either way him or Devin has to contribute this year. I hope both.

Posted by: AdamCr | April 27, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

According to The Official Site Of the Washington Redskins:

In 10 years, the 2009 NFL Draft may go down as one of the best ever for offensive tackles.
That could be good news for the Redskins, who have identified the position as a need this offseason.


According to Vinny, "Where we were picking there really weren't -- it really wasn't a deep draft for offensive linemen.... "

"Stephon [Heyer] is doing a great job. Now it's time for [Chad] Rinehart, Devin Clark and some of the guys from last year that we've been training for a year to step up."


I guess that solves it.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 27, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Hail I wish this guy was healthy i really do aside from Campbell I love this team...

bottom line is WHY cant we sign/draft people that dont have injury problems?

This is really a disturbing trend! Kelly i believe is the most glaring. He had bad knees when we drafted him!! It sounds like a couple of the guys we picked up over the weekend already have a history of injuries as well...

Call me crazy but I might take someone I thought was maybe a little less talented that didnt have these concerns.

Cuz you can be the most gifted player out there but that means nothing if you cant take the field

Posted by: BenchCampbell | April 27, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

"Could you imagine JC doing what Eli and Big Ben did in the last two Superbowls?"

100% yes, absolutely, without a doubt, no questions in my mind about it.

Do I think he'd do it consistently? No. And neither do I think Roethlisberger or Manning do it consistently either. But that one time where his defense carries him to a Super Bowl, where he lucks out by having his undrafted special-team WR perform a miracle catch, where a turnover machine-CB inexplicably lets the ball slip through his hands for an INT, where his WR breaks the ankles of the DB matched up on him to the point where there isn't a defender within 10 yards of him as he reaches the endzone? Absolutely, I think he can do that.

But apparently some people still believe in fairytales. To them, it's all the QB's "it" factor that happened to win the game.

Posted by: psps23 | April 27, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

"Unlike Devin Thomas, Kelly is eager to get to work but his knee won't allow it.While the 'Skins need Kelly as a physical presence opposite Santana Moss, his knee concerns aren't going away anytime soon.

Source: Washington Post


Posted by: BenchCampbell "


I love that journalism.

Devin Thomas was working out with JC before preseason even started, then he missed when the "official" voluntary workouts began for some reason, and reporters labelled him a slacker.


Thomas has gotten a pretty bad rap altogether.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 27, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Cassell and Rothlisburger were sacked more then JC17 by 10 sacks, so why arn't we talking about how bad there O-Lines are.

Cassell went 11-5 with a better WR's but not near the running game of the Skins.

Roth, won the SB he had a great defense but so do the Skins, sacks don't measure everything. Some of the sacks are on JC17 some are on the RB for not picking up blitzes.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 27, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Flounder...I wouldnt even waste your time trying to say something smart, reasonable, and that makes since to some on this board. they are going to complain no matter what happens...if we win a SB they will complain somebody dropped a pass in the 1st QT.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 27, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

"Per David Elfin of the Times, V.P. of football operations Vinny Cerrato admitted that the Redskins tried to trade up for Sanchez."

Geez...I saw Vinny's presser. He was asked about Sanchez and he replied "We made a few calls but the price was too high." Point blank. Somehow the DC media turned this comment into "the Redskins were in mad pursuit of Sanchez but just could not nab him."

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 27, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

A few years back, Mark Sanches fingered me at a Halloween party... we should have nabbed him!

Posted by: noseman4681 | April 27, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

And there might be more than you think there are. The thing is I can't remember seeing JC take over a game, EVER. I'm sure Cutler, Manning, Brees, Romo, Brady, Philip Rivers, Kurt Warner, Eli, Carson Palmer, Kurt Warner, Roethlesberger, and even Matt Cassell have done this on plenty of occasions.

My point is, JC lacks the intangibles.

Posted by: TheTruth11

You named 12 QBs. We played 6 games vs those 12 in 2008. Campbell had wins in games over Brees, romo and Warner. Losses vs eli (2x) and Big Ben. Against your list, Campbell was 3-3. Those 6 games vs 5 teams included both Super Bowl teams, top record in the NFC (twice) and the top passer in the entire league. Not one of those teams was below .500.

You can say Campbell doesn't compare to that group in 'intangibles'. But on the field, he held his own.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 27, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

lisa, 10000 percent agreed, they made some calls about it, and not much more than that.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 27, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

the weirdest part was: he referred to it as playing "stinky pinky."

Posted by: noseman4681 | April 27, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

I blame my mother for all my shortcomings... even my genital size, because I know my uncles are all very small

Posted by: noseman4681 | April 27, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

i think the reason we didnt address our O-Line in the draft is because vinny and danny want Campbell to fail


that way when he gets sacked for 40 times again this year and we miss the playoffs, danny can justifiably draft a QB, and then upgrade the O-line so the QB he chooses will be in a situation to succed, and then they will look like geniuses

But as of now our D-Line and secondary looked poised to be one of the leagues best, and we we do have a nice young mix of dynamic LBs, although only Rocky and LF are legit everydown LBs, the others when put in a position to succed could deff make some big plays.

TOP 5 D
Bottom 15 O


Posted by: mehtadman87 | April 27, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Ya know many on here who arer whining about not having an "it" tackle and supporting Campebll are having a catch 22 moment.

Many say we don't need a QB with "it" that he needs another year to develope etc etc etc...OK then why do you not use the same philosophy and attitude when it comes to some of our young tackles like Heyer and Rinehart?????? How bout Kelly and Thomas?????

Talk about contradicting yourself! i think giving more time to groom applies to all positions NOT just QB.....

Your willing to support Campbell who is going into his 5th year but you won't give time to players going into their 2nd and 3rd.....

Just saying!

Posted by: leevi98 | April 27, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Any chance that we go after Levi Jones? The Bengals are going to cut/trade him as a result of drafting Andre Smith.

Posted by: brian58 | April 27, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

I blame my mother for all my shortcomings... even my genital size, because I know my uncles are all very small

Posted by: noseman4681 | April 27, 2009 4:37 PM | Report ab

LOL!!!

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 27, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Geez...I saw Vinny's presser. He was asked about Sanchez and he replied "We made a few calls but the price was too high." Point blank. Somehow the DC media turned this comment into "the Redskins were in mad pursuit of Sanchez but just could not nab him."

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 27, 2009 4:31 PM

Lisa, I think you have this exactly backwards. Cnyder and Serrato were in mad pursuit of Sanchez. It was Vinnie who spinned it into "we made a few calls and the price was too high."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 27, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Czarnecki on Fox grades the Skins draft as a C. A few other teams also got C. The lowest grade was Oakland -- C-

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9501382/Grading-every-team's-NFL-Draft

Washington

After all the quarterback talk and trading-up possibilities, the Redskins were patient and had Texas DE Brian Orakpo fall into their lap with the 13th overall pick. Orakpo had some nicks, but some teams thought he was the draft's best edge pass rusher.

The Redskins traded out of the second round and made a local pick in the third round with Maryland cornerback Kevin Barnes, who started 21 games and can be either a zone or man-cover cornerback. Nebraska LB Cody Glenn was suspended for his final three games and was ranked the 34th overall linebacker in the draft. Grade: C

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 27, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

I think Kelly will be fine, let him heal. Last year he kept pressing. Look at Willis Mcgahee he suffered a tremendous knee injury and came back to have a decent career so far. if we can get that level from Kelly we will be in good shape...just chill

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 27, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

The whole point I get from most of the JC fanatics here (some of us are just cheering for our team, some of yall are ridiculous in love with this guy) is that :

If you put a GREAT running back and a GREAT offensive line and GREAT wide receivers and a GREAT defense on a team with AVERAGE JC, he could probably win the playoffs because he wouldn't lose you a game.

What we want is a GREAT quarterback that could win the playoffs in spite of an AVERAGE offensive line with a GOOD running back and a SOLID wide receiver group and a PRETTY GOOD defense.


And there might be more than you think there are. The thing is I can't remember seeing JC take over a game, EVER. I'm sure Cutler, Manning, Brees, Romo, Brady, Philip Rivers, Kurt Warner, Eli, Carson Palmer, Kurt Warner, Roethlesberger, and even Matt Cassell have done this on plenty of occasions.

Could you imagine JC doing what Eli and Big Ben did in the last two Superbowls? If you think he could do that, please give me what you're smoking. Ain't no way.


My point is, JC lacks the intangibles.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 27, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

I don't get it Truth...are you saying that we have an "average" offensive line going into the season?

Are you saying that we have a "solid" receiving corps right now?

...if they are "intangible" how can you tell if they are there???

Posted by: p1funk | April 27, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Ya know many on here who arer whining about not having an "it" tackle and supporting Campebll are having a catch 22 moment.

Many say we don't need a QB with "it" that he needs another year to develope etc etc etc...OK then why do you not use the same philosophy and attitude when it comes to some of our young tackles like Heyer and Rinehart?????? How bout Kelly and Thomas?????

Talk about contradicting yourself! i think giving more time to groom applies to all positions NOT just QB.....

Your willing to support Campbell who is going into his 5th year but you won't give time to players going into their 2nd and 3rd.....

Just saying!

Posted by: leevi98 | April 27, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

What about this OT that the Bengals are going to make available?

Posted by: BarackObama | April 27, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Are you saying Chase Daniel is a poor man's Mark Sanchez?

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 27, 2009 4:26 PM |

Actually, he's a rich man's Mark Sanchez. He's Dan Cnyder's Mark Sanchez.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 27, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Any chance that we go after Levi Jones? The Bengals are going to cut/trade him as a result of drafting Andre Smith.

Posted by: brian58 | April 27, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

no, we are placing our hopes(bets) on mike Williams. does anyone else see the reality show potential in his story? lives with dock, at 1 point weighed well over 400 lbs and is looking to battle for a starting OL position and needs to weigh in at 370...NFL network missed their shot!

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 27, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

People keep comparing the Skins line to the Pats and Steelers. Interestingly, those teams drafted OL in the 2nd round and with their 2nd pick, respectively.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 27, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Are you saying Chase Daniel is a poor man's Mark Sanchez?

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 27, 2009 4:26 PM |

Actually, he's a rich man's Mark Sanchez. He's Dan Cnyder's Mark Sanchez.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 27, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Actually, no he isn't. He (Chase) is just someone to keep Zorn busy to buy time until they can lure Cowher in their ranks...

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 27, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

What about this OT that the Bengals are going to make available?

Posted by: BarackObama | April 27, 2009 4:51 PM |

Who cares? We got Mike Williams. Sure, he's been out of football a few years, but that's given him a chance to rest, bulk up.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 27, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Hail I apologize the fact is I really do hope this team can make the best with the players we have available

The FO just frustrates me and "players" not being able to play is just disappointing

Posted by: BenchCampbell | April 27, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

I'm all for bringing in Levi Jones, if he gets released. Vet min contract....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 27, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

John Corcoran's draft Rehash (with a side of curly fries) is up on

NFLDraftdog.Com

Go to:

http://www.nfldraftdog.com/nfl-team-columns/washington-redskins.html

or

http://tinyurl.com/JCorkColumn


Posted by: TheCork | April 27, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Ya know many on here who arer whining about not having an "it" tackle and supporting Campebll are having a catch 22 moment.

Many say we don't need a QB with "it" that he needs another year to develope etc etc etc...OK then why do you not use the same philosophy and attitude when it comes to some of our young tackles like Heyer and Rinehart?????? How bout Kelly and Thomas?????

Posted by: leevi98 | April 27, 2009 4:50 PM

The problem with the guys you named is none of them have proven they can get on the field or stay on the field. Campbell, on the other hand, is expected to lead an offense with a broken O-line and no prospect for help.

If our first string O-line and WRs could stay healthy on the field, I have no problem waiting for backups to develop.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 27, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, I think you have this exactly backwards. Cnyder and Serrato were in mad pursuit of Sanchez. It was Vinnie who spinned it into "we made a few calls and the price was too high."

Posted by: talent_evaluator

Nope, TE, I don't have it backwards. The truth is...none of us (DC media included) really know what was going on in the draft room (or even before). But when Vinny said "we made a few calls but the price was too high" the DC media turned it into "hot pursuit" - which it may or may not have been. But you really get NOTHING from that comment. Vinny also said they made calls about Orakpo trying to trade up.

As I mentioned on Friday, I spoke with Doc Walker and expressed my panic over the Sanchez rumors. Doc told me to calm down and said "why would you (meaning the Skins) show your hand about what you are planning to do?" I did calm down a bit after that as I took it to mean the Sanchez rumors were smoke and mirrors.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 27, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

I guess the other thing is that Campbell is limited in his ability by who is on the receiving end of his passes...

Many have said it before having better receivers makes the job of a QB a lot easier

Posted by: BenchCampbell | April 27, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

As I mentioned on Friday, I spoke with Doc Walker and expressed my panic over the Sanchez rumors. Doc told me to calm down and said "why would you (meaning the Skins) show your hand about what you are planning to do?" I did calm down a bit after that as I took it to mean the Sanchez rumors were smoke and mirrors.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 27, 2009 5:03 PM |

The 'Skins always show their hand before they do anything. They showed it on Cutler. They showed it a few years ago when they traded up to get Campbell. They showed it this year when they went after Haynesworth. They showed it in the draft last year when Daniel Snyder and crew got on an airplane two days before the draft and flew to Clemson and to Oaklahoma to scout. And they showed it in the draft on Sanchez.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 27, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

You know what I like about the fact that I can't find any mention of the Lucky 13 the redskins signed as UFA's in the Draft Preview Football maggies I have?

Most UFA's are camp fodder at best.

So if Morocco is ALL THAT as a late round specialist, better that he unearthed some guys nobody else has heard of--like Beatherd once did.

Posted by: TheCork | April 27, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

And, by the way, the answer to the question "why would you show your hand?" is because Daniel Cnyder craves the media attention. Can't breath without it.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 27, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Well, does anyone think that Orakpo would have fallen to #13 if Weird Al hadn't done his thing AND the Jets didn't trade up for Sanchez?

I'm not saying that the Skins FO Sanchez-love was entirely smoke, but...in the end it helped Orakpo fall. I never seriously thought Orakpo would be available.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 27, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Cassell and Rothlisburger were sacked more then JC17 by 10 sacks, so why arn't we talking about how bad there O-Lines are.
Cassell went 11-5 with a better WR's but not near the running game of the Skins.

Roth, won the SB he had a great defense but so do the Skins, sacks don't measure everything. Some of the sacks are on JC17 some are on the RB for not picking up blitzes.

Posted by: Flounder21

You’ve convinced me, Flounder. I’m buying my tickets to the Redskins Superbowl NOW.

Three ancient OL warriors, Derrick (Hickery Dickery) Dockery at OLG and Mike (Piggly Wiggly) Williams at ORT mean Victory!!!

No more Mr. Pessimism.

Posted by: TheCork | April 27, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

TheTruth11

But why draft sanchez when you signed Chase Daniel as a free agent. A guy that was actually in the Heisman hype his last two years and is an all american. He was overshadowed by the many good QB's in his conference, McCoy, A&M's QB, Kansas State QB, Iowa and Oaklahoma all have good QB's but this guy is the real deal and he cost nothing. So I feel much better having him and Colt Brennan backing up JC so if he gets hurt or leaves next year we have two to build on and replace him. But to win the starter spot I think they have to beat him out, not just be more popular than he is with the fans. They guy on the bench whos last pass was a good one will always look like a better alternative when the starter struggles. Right now if you bench campbell and CB struggles you will be calling for Daniel.

Posted by: ged0386 | April 27, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

leevi

Most people who want to give Campbell another year do apply that logic to every position.

Its the whiner's that whine about Campbell portis Thomas Kelly and everyone else.

Nice try though

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 27, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

"Geez...I saw Vinny's presser. He was asked about Sanchez and he replied "We made a few calls but the price was too high." Point blank. Somehow the DC media turned this comment into "the Redskins were in mad pursuit of Sanchez but just could not nab him."Posted by: Lisa_R
"Lisa, I think you have this exactly backwards. Cnyder and Serrato were in mad pursuit of Sanchez. It was Vinnie who spinned it into "we made a few calls and the price was too high." Posted by: talent_evaluator

Thing I like most about this blog is that everybody seems to know exactly what happened, but still manage to disagree on what it was.

So either they wanted Sanchez desperately or they didn't. I certainly can't tell.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 27, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

(I'm not a FO apologist, I'm just trying to be optimistic about my team.)

So, since this draft was strong on OL talent, there should be some roster cuts later that can help.

{boy, that sounds weak)

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 27, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

We'll probably sign Leroy, EDGE, and trade away a third rounder for Levi. Why, because we're the Redskins. Will it really work? Not a snowballs chance in hell.

Posted by: hokiesmokie | April 27, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

TheCork

You seem to be much better at not liking the skins than liking them so do us a favor and not be a skins fan. Because as a skins fan you are quite confusing. I cant tell if you like them or not. You are so cynical and negative.

Posted by: ged0386 | April 27, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

flounder

If you think portis is missing blocking assignments then you haven't been watching for the last 5 seasons. He's about the best in the game probably one of the best all time. Why do you think he's aikmans favorite player? Because he protects his QB

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 27, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

I guess the other thing is that Campbell is limited in his ability by who is on the receiving end of his passes...

Many have said it before having better receivers makes the job of a QB a lot easier

Posted by: BenchCampbell


Yeah, Santonio Holmes was injured for a few games before he came back and lit up the Skins, even though Demetric knocked Ben outta the game..Holmes, Washington and Hines Ward, big play receivers , Ben and Byron, decent running game and one of the best defenses of all time= Championship

Posted by: frak | April 27, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Well out of all the undrafted players signed around the league....Daniel was worthy enough to make espn's headlines when he was signed by the skins.


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4104005

Posted by: leevi98 | April 27, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Devin Thomas was working out with JC before preseason even started, then he missed when the "official" voluntary workouts began for some reason, and reporters labelled him a slacker.

Thomas has gotten a pretty bad rap altogether.

Posted by: TheTruth11 |

You got a short term memory thing going? This isn't out of left field. Last year HIS COACH, not the Media, not his mother, not people on this board, but JIM FREAKIN' ZORN first called him out for reporting to camp out of shape.

And you know who admitted it? Devin Thomas.

Thehjn he got in shape and lined up wrong. And took stupid penalties.

So, yes it's nice he was tossing it around with Campbell, but when he blows off voluntary workouts "for some reason" as you put it, flags go up.

I notice he hasn't been too busy to keep his snappy new website up to date. Who else had a website recently...?? Wait it's coming to me..Burton Floyd?...no Billy Bob Gloydd?

Now I remember... Brandon Lloyd!


Posted by: TheCork | April 27, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

So either they wanted Sanchez desperately or they didn't. I certainly can't tell.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 27, 2009 5:14 PM

The proof is in the pudding. They didn't outbid the Jets, who really didn't give up too much (certainly by our previous trade standards). The Jets gave up their first-round (No. 17 overall) and second-round (No. 52) picks along with fogettable DE Kenyon Coleman (0.5 sacks last year), S Abram Elam (decent player) and QB Brett Ratliff (rookie UFA who didn't play last year).

Posted by: Alan4 | April 27, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

I think chase Daniel is a non issue. If he works, great, but it would be a surprise. He's been a spread guy since high school, obviously height is a concern, and his senior year was a drop from the junior season. If I recall his bowl game wasn't so hot and he didn't seem to impress in all star games...but if zorn sees something that can maybe be developed, that's what the UFA process is for.

Posted by: AdamCr | April 27, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Stats can mean nothing when it comes to leadership..There are a lot of "win ugly" QBs past and present.. ..So, the fact JC is in the bottom 3rd of starting QB's in the NFL can be ignored if he wins.. But he has never showed the "it" in the must win games.. ie..the Rams game (worst Defense in the NFL) comes immediately to mind...
JC is a nice guy but not a motivating leader. And I dread watching short passes on third and long well before the 1st down marker again this season.....
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You named 12 QBs. We played 6 games vs those 12 in 2008. Campbell had wins in games over Brees, romo and Warner. Losses vs eli (2x) and Big Ben. Against your list, Campbell was 3-3. Those 6 games vs 5 teams included both Super Bowl teams, top record in the NFC (twice) and the top passer in the entire league. Not one of those teams was below .500.

You can say Campbell doesn't compare to that group in 'intangibles'. But on the field, he held his own.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 27, 2009 4:34 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 27, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse

The offense again has been neglected with the exception of Dockery replacing Kendall.

Posted by: wizfan89

Hey, wait a minute!! That's flat out wrong.

The Redskins signed two other tackles--specifically Mike Williams.

All 450 pounds of him.

"Mike WIlliams: Keeping Supermarkets in business since 1980."

Posted by: TheCork | April 27, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Just for fun, continuing with a comparison of two offensively-challenged teams, one that had a great season (Tennessee) and one that finished .500 (Skins):

1st Downs: Tenn 268, Wash 295
3rd down conversions: Tenn 36%, Wash 33%
Total Yds: Tenn 5018, Wash 5120
Avg per play: Tenn 5.2, Wash 5.0
Rush yds: Tenn 2199, Wash 2095
Pass: Tenn 2819, Wash 3025
SACKS: Tenn 44, Wash 24
FGs: Tenn 29/33, Wash 26/36
TDs: Tenn 41 Wash 27
Time Poss: Tenn 29:18 Wash 31:30
TURNOVER RATIO: Tenn +14 Wash 0

So that's the sort of thing that leads me to think that an improvement in the Skins record would come most quickly if:
1) they increased pressure on the QB and got some turnovers, and
2) they figured out how to get the ball into the end zone.

Because otherwise, they ain't all that bad.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 27, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins signed two other tackles--specifically Mike Williams.

All 450 pounds of him.

Posted by: TheCork | April 27, 2009 5:27 PM |

Now there you go again, Mr. Crock. I just looked him up on the Redskins Roster and he doesn't weigh an ounce over 360. He's a lean, mean, eatin' machine.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 27, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Why do people come on post about the skins calling themselves fans but do nothing but talk negative about them? Its like no matter what choices the skins made this weekend it would have been the same cynical negative remarks. If they would have drafted all linemen people would have complained, what no defensive drafts? If you would have gotten Sanchez and traded campbell people would have complained. At the same time they say campbell doens't have what it takes because he has not turned into tom brady or big ben yet. Are we all the best people at our jobs? Probably not, probably just as average as Jason Campbell is at his. But do we hold ourselves to the standards we hold athletes? No we give ourselves a big old pass for our shortcomings.

Posted by: ged0386 | April 27, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

This is the best Redskins Draft Report I have read yet on the entire web. Check it out and tell me what you think! This Stanza guy really seems to know our team.

http://www.fannation.com/blogs/post/379657-redskins-report-card-09-draft

Posted by: spyder7 | April 27, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

There's also a good article from last year on Chase Daniel and evaluating talent from last December in the new yorker. Worth googling it.

Posted by: AdamCr | April 27, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

TheCork

You seem to be much better at not liking the skins than liking them so do us a favor and not be a skins fan. Because as a skins fan you are quite confusing. I cant tell if you like them or not. You are so cynical and negative.

Posted by: ged0386 | April 27, 2009 5:17 PM

Seems odd that a guy with "GED" in his name would need anything explained to him but here it goes: I think he's a fan of the team but has a problem with how it's been run. So, like a lot of us, he loves the skins but isn't so fond of the owner and his assistant.

Posted by: mack1 | April 27, 2009 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Samson151 wrote..
Thing I like most about this blog is that everybody seems to know exactly what happened, but still manage to disagree on what it was.

So either they wanted Sanchez desperately or they didn't. I certainly can't tell.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 27, 2009 5:14 PM
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I think they wanted him (Sanchez) if the 2010 1st pick wasnt part of the deal. Turns out Snyder couldnt make a deal without giving that pick up.. so they folded..

I still think this Draft was a set up for a new HC next year. You dont make your top few picks defensive when your team needs are exactly opposite (no. 4 Defense and no. "near last" Offense). And you dont attract a top HC who is not given a 1st round pick next April.. a Bradford or Tebow, or McCoy..etc..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 27, 2009 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Everybody relax and let everything play itself out. We know nothing right now. ROCK THE RED!

Posted by: blackandred777 | April 27, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

You can bet your Campbell Redskins jersey that Danny boy wanted Sanchez and he wanted Cutler before that. I don't think he's done. I think he's working up a trade for a different QB. Did you notice the number of tight ends they suddenly have on the roster? Does that worry you that Cooley might be part of a trade? Despite what Zorn says, I think Danny has written off Campbell and it is only a matter of time before he's gone. Look around and see who might be available: Brady Quinn from the Browns, J. P. Losman from the Bills, Kellen Clemens from the Jets, Brodie Croyle from the Chiefs, etc. In the Dan's mind, one of these guys might be an upgrade over Campbell and even if it looks like a trade down, he can make noise about Jason wanting the trade.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 27, 2009 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Agreed.. I think the bridge was burned.. And most likely a mutual loss of respect between all parties..including Zorn..
If a starting QB in the NFL on a contender goes down to a season ending injury before the October trade deadline.. watch JC's trade value go up to a 1st rounder.

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You can bet your Campbell Redskins jersey that Danny boy wanted Sanchez and he wanted Cutler before that. I don't think he's done. I think he's working up a trade for a different QB. Did you notice the number of tight ends they suddenly have on the roster? Does that worry you that Cooley might be part of a trade? Despite what Zorn says, I think Danny has written off Campbell and it is only a matter of time before he's gone. Look around and see who might be available: Brady Quinn from the Browns, J. P. Losman from the Bills, Kellen Clemens from the Jets, Brodie Croyle from the Chiefs, etc. In the Dan's mind, one of these guys might be an upgrade over Campbell and even if it looks like a trade down, he can make noise about Jason wanting the trade.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 27, 2009 6:07 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 27, 2009 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Re: Barnes...

"Barnes was known as one of the ACC's most vicious tacklers -- he is already a Youtube legend for hitting Cal's Jahvid Best so hard that the RB vomited after being layed out and fumbling the ball. In a spring game last year, Barnes hit teammate Morgan Green, a RB who outweighs Barnes by 30 lbs., so hard that Green left the field in a stretcher."

What's not to like about a nickel/dime headhunter in this secondary? Seriously, who wants to run crossing patterns against this D?!? I'm getting really stoked about the 'Skins 2009 D.

Posted by: swowra | April 27, 2009 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Why do people come on post about the skins calling themselves fans but do nothing but talk negative about them? Its like no matter what choices the skins made this weekend it would have been the same cynical negative remarks. If they would have drafted all linemen people would have complained, what no defensive drafts? If you would have gotten Sanchez and traded Campbell people would have complained. At the same time they say Campbell doens't have what it takes because he has not turned into Tom Brady or Big Ben yet. Are we all the best people at our jobs? Probably not, probably just as average as Jason Campbell is at his. But do we hold ourselves to the standards we hold athletes? No we give ourselves a big old pass for our shortcomings.

Posted by: ged0386 | April 27, 2009

Redskins.com/Snidely Inc.: Sometime home of one crew or another of lamers and wannabees who aspire to be the next fantasy GM of the Redskins but lack even the dim flicker of sentience needed to qualify.

The think you seem to have not yet realized was that much of what you describe above is the mind of the "uber fan" Dan Snyder. He is the one who can't seem to figure out which way is up. He goes through coaches and quarterbacks. like a woman goes through sanitary napkins at that time of the month. Most of the complaints you probably read have more to do with his insane instability during his tenure as the current steward of our favorite team. He looks at it as a toy he can blindly manipulate and spindle like a 2 year old with a kleenex.

Posted by: periculum | April 27, 2009 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Agreed.. I think the bridge was burned.. And most likely a mutual loss of respect between all parties..including Zorn..
If a starting QB in the NFL on a contender goes down to a season ending injury before the October trade deadline.. watch JC's trade value go up to a 1st rounder.

Same here. Agreed. Its truly a shame that JC17 was treated the way he was. Colt starts ... hope it won't end up as another 'Hassleback shabingus'.

Posted by: periculum | April 27, 2009 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Aw, come off it guys!!! Gee wiz, JC is a grown azz man. If he can't take a bit of controversy then we don't need him. He's the starting QB playing in a contract year. He's not the first QB to do this!

Just play friggin' ball!

Posted by: rickyroge | April 27, 2009 6:26 PM | Report abuse

bring back marcus mason!!!!

http://nyj.scout.com/2/860758.html

Posted by: AhsanFamily | April 27, 2009 6:27 PM | Report abuse

periculum....

It's safe to say that you personally feel harmed at some point by Daniel M. Snyder.

Posted by: rickyroge | April 27, 2009 6:28 PM | Report abuse

not if you sold your season tickets and only buy Skins merchandise on EBay....


periculum....

It's safe to say that you personally feel harmed at some point by Daniel M. Snyder.

Posted by: rickyroge | April 27, 2009 6:28 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 27, 2009 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Why have we declared Chad Reinhart a bust??? He could turn into a very reliable Guard. Also, it kills me when "fans" say we need to "develop our own" but when we try to groom Heyer, who was an undrafted free agent, we still get killed.


Damned if you do....damned if you don't

Posted by: rickyroge | April 27, 2009 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Why have we declared Chad Reinhart a bust??? He could turn into a very reliable Guard.

Posted by: rickyroge

are we talking mall security? The Skins wouldn't even let him put on a uni(!!) when Thomas had an injury that risked paralysis. If there was ever a 'we have no confidence in you' statement, that was it.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 27, 2009 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Our O-line is gonna tear up the ACC next year!

Posted by: SammyT1 | April 27, 2009 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Its hard to forget the Ravens game when there was a shot of our OLine standing up during a time out looking across at the Ravens DLine.. And Madden saying what an obvious mismatch between the two. It looked like a Division III college Oline versus an NFL DLine. And they played like it..
Yet nothing done to address this, yet??

Stranger that Snyder professes to be such a student of Skins history.. but, doesnt remember two first round OLine picks in 81.. Grimm and Mark May..

For the next 10 years they made average QB's into superbowl MVPs.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 27, 2009 6:56 PM | Report abuse

are we talking mall security? The Skins wouldn't even let him put on a uni(!!) when Thomas had an injury that risked paralysis. If there was ever a 'we have no confidence in you' statement, that was it.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 27, 2009

And according to Bugel IN HIMSELF! I wonder if he will even show up for training camp? He is going to be put under a huge microscope thanks to Snidely's aversion to drafting offensive linemen. Now he's on the spot as a guy who was drafted as a tackle! Then tried at guard!

Posted by: periculum | April 27, 2009 7:12 PM | Report abuse

According to Vinny, "Where we were picking there really weren't -- it really wasn't a deep draft for offensive linemen.... "

"Stephon [Heyer] is doing a great job. Now it's time for [Chad] Rinehart, Devin Clark and some of the guys from last year that we've been training for a year to step up."

I listen to Terrell Suggs ... one look at those guys and you know what he'll say, "Yeah you guys are depleted"

Posted by: periculum | April 27, 2009 7:25 PM | Report abuse

What-the-yaboos is with all the TEs ? Maybe 'skins are gonna bust out the leagues first 4-TE formation .........

Posted by: RoidRage | April 27, 2009 7:29 PM | Report abuse

ok zest and peri...

but why must we declare them a bust? you invested quite a bit of time into Heyer. Why should we throw Reinhart on the scrap heap, just to draft another potential project. For as many screw ups we make we have had some successes that we have developed or found in the later rounds.

Horton, Golston, Montgomery, Alexander,
Fincher, Heyer, Fincher, Blades, etc. Our problem has been inconsitency with full drafts and too much change of offensive philosophy.

Posted by: rickyroge | April 27, 2009 7:29 PM | Report abuse

perhaps if you listen to Terrell Suggs, you should embrace his team.

Posted by: rickyroge | April 27, 2009 7:31 PM | Report abuse

"Stranger that Snyder professes to be such a student of Skins history.. but, doesnt remember two first round OLine picks in 81.. Grimm and Mark May..For the next 10 years they made average QB's into superbowl MVPs.
Posted by: SkinsneedaGM"

Grimm was as 3rd rounder, right? And May initially seemed like a bust, getting beat out by an undrafted free agent (who turned out to be Jacoby).

Posted by: Samson151 | April 27, 2009 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Williams is listed as a TE although a brief scouting report would tell you he is an H back, or FB.

Don't expect JLaC to check a scouting report he's too busy cashing checks.

So, a second string fullback that has a good ST build makes alot more sense than a TE

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 27, 2009 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Check the roster

Geisenger, Fabini are gone and we now have 9 - 300+ lb OL with

And, our 5 "cagey" veterens

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 27, 2009 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Geisenger, Fabini are gone and we now have 9 - 300+ lb OL with less than 3 years experience.

It would be REAL nice to re-sign Kendall

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 27, 2009 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Wow, preseason Pro Bowler Marcus Mason was cut by the Jets today. Amazing how certain fans consider the preseason to be a clear indicator of talent (cough, Colt Brennan, cough), but talent evaluators around the NFL keep tossing these players aside.

I assume Chase Daniel throws a 4th quarter preseason TD and the morons will be calling for him to be the starter(sigh).

Posted by: RobInVaBeach | April 27, 2009 7:43 PM | Report abuse

here is a link to a great scouting report on Williams' versatility as TE versus FB. Also covers draft grades for the whole 'Skins draft. Lemme know what you think. I am really becoming a fan of this guy Stanza and the way he covers the 'Skins is far more insightful than this blog.

http://www.fannation.com/blogs/post/379657-redskins-report-card-09-draft

Posted by: spyder7 | April 27, 2009 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Our O-line is gonna tear up the ACC next year!

Posted by: SammyT1 | April 27, 2009 6:54 PM | ==============================================

No doubt about it!
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 27, 2009 7:45 PM | Report abuse

perhaps if you listen to Terrell Suggs, you should embrace his team.

Posted by: rickyroge | April 27, 2009 7:31 PM
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -


Check the roster

Geisenger, Fabini are gone and we now have 9 - 300+ lb OL with

And, our 5 "cagey" veterens

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 27, 2009 7:40 PM
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Sounds like Suggs knew what he was talking about.

Sometimes it's better to know the facts and deal with them, ricky. In fact, I'll be bold and say almost always.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 27, 2009 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Anyone have a Chris Dishman jersey? I'll give you three buttons and an autographed Ivan Lendl poster.

Posted by: rickyroge | April 27, 2009 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Its hard to forget the Ravens game when there was a shot of our OLine standing up during a time out looking across at the Ravens DLine.. And Madden saying what an obvious mismatch between the two. It looked like a Division III college Oline versus an NFL DLine. And they played like it..
Yet nothing done to address this, yet??

Stranger that Snyder professes to be such a student of Skins history.. but, doesnt remember two first round OLine picks in 81.. Grimm and Mark May..

For the next 10 years they made average QB's into superbowl MVPs.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 27, 2009 6:56 PM

I agree 100%. But I will say it looks like they attempted to address it with Mike Williams [“He is two guys standing side by side with their arms around each other,” Zorn said. “That’s how wide he is.”]

I firmly believe that if he's actually healthy, he is an upgrade at RT. His health problems are no different, in my mind, than Jansen's. Heyer is a backup. At some point this season, if he's healthy, Williams will start.

He's considered a bust because he was a #4 overall pick and he stayed injured. Two years on, he's a talented bit player with a chance to redeem himself.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 27, 2009 7:58 PM | Report abuse

MY Redskins Countryfolk!.....We have a certain right to be "Skeptical?>!"

We seem to lack an understanding of the future. Last year we could have drafted a few lineman and held up on receivers. This year it's receiver heavy even a local product like Derrius Heyward Or Jeremey Macklin at 13????? Come on that's basic draft 101!!

This year we had pick 13. Instead of the ridiculous fantaasy draft fiascos we might have held up before turning in the pick...We should ahve gotten Micheal Ohere A true beast on the O-Line!! And then trading Next Years # 1 Pick for another pick this weekend to select Brian Orakpo!!!! @ 2 Awesome Picks signed and starting NOW for years....Sounds good in hindsight but if I can think of it then someone with them should be as well.

Posted by: AhmadGraham | April 27, 2009 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Man...I don't give a fugg what Suggs an opposing team's LB has to say just to show hatred for the FO!!!

IMPOSTERS!!!

Posted by: rickyroge | April 27, 2009 8:02 PM | Report abuse

How is it that JLC's sole job is to cover the 'Skins and he hasn't even written a draft report card yet? If I were his boss, I would replace him with Tony Stanza who posts at SI.com, and consistently writes the most comprehensive and insightful 'Skins articles on the web. As a loyal fan, you gotta check out this blog. The 'Skins overall draft is broken down, and so is each individual pick, complete with grades. I learned quite a bit about our new players reading this blog. Enjoy!

http://www.fannation.com/blogs/post/379657-redskins-report-card-09-draft

Posted by: spyder7 | April 27, 2009 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Man...I don't give a fugg what Suggs an opposing team's LB has to say just to show hatred for the FO!!!

IMPOSTERS!!!

rickyroge = Rumor has it he's almost incomprehensible in person (owing to his heavily accented and alchohol-slurred speech) and this combined with his being dirt poor and ugly makes him very uncomfortable with human interaction of any kind.

The truth is plain as day for anyone willing to look at it and not their head in the sand:

Philadelphia: The Eagles improved their offensive line by acquiring tackles Jason Peters and Stacy Andrews; they improved their skill by drafting speedy Missouri receiver Jeremy Maclin and productive Pittsburgh running back LeSean McCoy. Maclin gives Donovan McNabb a big-play target, and McCoy is the best No. 2 option they have had behind Brian Westbrook.

Posted by: periculum | April 27, 2009 8:09 PM | Report abuse

IMPOSTERS!!!

Posted by: rickyroge | April 27, 2009 8:02 PM |
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That's nice, Mrs. Cerrato.

The rest of us would like to see the Redskins win, rather than kiss the @ss of an incompetent, megalomaniac owner and his sidekick.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 27, 2009 8:09 PM | Report abuse

"here is a link to a great scouting report on Williams' versatility as TE versus FB. Also covers draft grades for the whole 'Skins draft. Lemme know what you think. I am really becoming a fan of this guy Stanza and the way he covers the 'Skins is far more insightful than this blog."

I didn't find much new there. Reads like he collected it from other sites and skipped most of the research.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 27, 2009 8:11 PM | Report abuse

I firmly believe that if he's actually healthy, he is an upgrade at RT. His health problems are no different, in my mind, than Jansen's. Heyer is a backup. At some point this season, if he's healthy, Williams will start.

Pray very, very hard that you are right. Because he may end up having to play left tackle before all is said and done. Serve Snyder right because then JC17 will have a break out season foiling the fans of the evil Snidely whiplash woodward highschool Owl.

Posted by: periculum | April 27, 2009 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Hey Samson - show me one other 'Skins site/blog that actually breaks down the draft for 'Skins fans in as comprehensive a fashion. You dismissed the post as not well-researched and thus it seems like you probably didn't take the time to really read it. Further, what kind of new and exciting info do you expect after the past two weeks of exhaustive, round the clock draft coverage? If wanna complain, make a substantive complaint, that is welcome, but don't offer hollow, baseless dismissals and expect 'Skins fans to take you seriously.

Posted by: spyder7 | April 27, 2009 8:19 PM | Report abuse

I just want to know why didn't they pick Duke Robinson instead of Cody Gleen with one year expe. at linebacker. That was a dumb pick. They know that you line is old and getting hurt alot. So why didn't they pick youth at that spot?

Posted by: jfrost8171 | April 27, 2009 8:22 PM | Report abuse

I just want to know why didn't they pick Duke Robinson instead of Cody Gleen with one year expe. at linebacker. That was a dumb pick. They know that you line is old and getting hurt alot. So why didn't they pick youth at that spot?

Posted by: jfrost8171 | April 27, 2009

You've seen "Major Leagues", the movie? "Wild Thing"? The evil, exotic dancer owner of the Cleveland Indians? It appears the Snidely Owl is out to make Zorn and Campbell look really bad. Why? To do what he likes to do as often as a woman changes sanitary napkins that time of the month ... change coach and quarterback yet again.

Posted by: periculum | April 27, 2009 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Hey "if"...

I'm gonna take the high road on your insults knowing that in my younger days, I'd rip you a new one, but...

All I'm saying is that the FO will NEVER do right by some...if we try to develop young, unpolished talent, we get ripped. If we spend money on expensive free agents we get ripped.

Also...last I check the Eagles have NO super bowls


bich...sorry...slipped out

Posted by: rickyroge | April 27, 2009 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Rinehart became a bust in some fans minds when JLa said "sources" inside the team said he's a bust. He was good at his intended NFL position (guard) in preseason and looked bad when they tried him at tackle. Not getting on the field last year doesn't tell me much because we did the same thing with rocky. Not unseating Thomas doesn't either because he'd have to ask out or be physically unable, which he was neither.

Rinehart may indeed be a bust but no one here really knows. But the tide in this forum turned against him when jla, who supposedly no one trusts, said it from his sources. If I'm wrong i'd like to see the quotes or video where buges said he can't compete.

Posted by: AdamCr | April 27, 2009 8:35 PM | Report abuse

maybe Duke Robinson's name should be Dukie Robinson because he can't play.

Posted by: rickyroge | April 27, 2009 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Actually, no he isn't. He (Chase) is just someone to keep Zorn busy to buy time until they can lure Cowher in their ranks...

Posted by: Hail2theChief ****

Give it a rest yall! Cowher will never go to the Skins unless they have a different owner. He'll go to the Panthers way before the Skins and I wouldn't blame him at all.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | April 27, 2009 8:38 PM | Report abuse

From 2005:

RT Mike Williams has shown signs of becoming the dominant player the Bills expected to get when they drafted him fourth overall in 2002. He's a force as a run blocker, using his size (6-6,360) and strength to drive defenders off the line. He also works hard to finish his blocks. He needs work in pass protection; he sometimes uses poor technique and struggles against speed rushers because he lacks mobility.

A bust when you're a #4 overall carrying a huge contract.... just what the Doctor ordered when you're the Skins in short yardage. For pass plays, JC17 might just have to rollout more with suspect pass protection.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 27, 2009 8:41 PM | Report abuse

bich...sorry...slipped out

Posted by: rickyroge | April 27, 2009 8:35 PM |
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I'm going to have to guess that your younger days were in the 6th grade, and now you're a mature junior high schooler and can no longer stoop to such behavior.

Except when you do, of course.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 27, 2009 8:47 PM | Report abuse

I'm for pulling off a big time trade, say Cooley for a starting WR, or a LB and a pick in next years draft. Let Sleepy earn his keep. Cooley sucks at blocking and is slower than Sleepy too.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | April 27, 2009 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Also...last I check the Eagles have NO super bowls

Last time I looked they went to the playoffs and got as far as the NFC conference game. Something the Redskins haven't done since Gibbs retired for the first time. And yes, they have been to the Superbowl recently. Compare their record since 1998 to the Redskins record and what do you see nitwit?

Shut up your silly stoopid brain! Stick a q-tip in it!


Posted by: periculum | April 27, 2009 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Give it a rest yall! Cowher will never go to the Skins unless they have a different owner. He'll go to the Panthers way before the Skins and I wouldn't blame him at all.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | April 27, 2009

Something he saw very little of, relatively speaking, in Pittsburgh: MONEY (cue in the Money song with cash registers cha-chinging)

Posted by: periculum | April 27, 2009 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Stick a q-tip in it!


Posted by: periculum

Hey no name calling against our Middle Eastern friends!

Posted by: lsskinsfan | April 27, 2009 8:54 PM | Report abuse

That guys analysis of Rabach, ouch.

Center Casey Rabach is penalty-prone and serviceable at best; he was embarrassed several times last year when he was utterly incapable of executing his blocking duties.


It is still inexcusable that we didn't draft 1 OL. Duke Robinson was the best guard on a dominant line at Oklahoma. Why not take a chance on him in the 5th. These guys live in a fantasy land if they don't think we are going to have the same problems as last year. Oh wait we got Mike Williams who hasn't played ball in 2 years. And Ceratto says its time for some guys to step up. Well that just equals problem solved. And then his quote that the draft wasn't deep in OL. That is pure BS. This draft was regarded as being deep with OL prospects.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | April 27, 2009 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Cowher doesn't need the money right now, with his TV gig etc. He can take a slightly lower paying position to have more favorable ownership. Jerry Richardson is lightyears ahead of DS. D*p Sh*t

Posted by: lsskinsfan | April 27, 2009 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Rinehart may indeed be a bust but no one here really knows. But the tide in this forum turned against him when jla, who supposedly no one trusts, said it from his sources. If I'm wrong i'd like to see the quotes or video where buges said he can't compete.

Posted by: AdamCr | April 27, 2009

Kid your dad must get upset with you for being a dimwit doesn't he! DUH WE DON'T NEED JLC to tell us what our own eyes beheld! Jansen faultering, Heyer hurt, GEISINGER, GEISINGER GEISINGER AN UNDRAFTED FA CENTER SENT OUT TO PLAY TACKLE ON A PASSING DOWN AGAINST TERRELL SUGGS!!! "YOU GUYS WERW DEPLETED!" What part of that doesn't register with your amoebic sized brain!? GO MOW THE LAWN for your dad, stand on your head and spit nickels!!! Eat grass and snipes in the grass! JUST STOP BEING SO INSUFFERABLT STOOOPID! Sheesh Randy Thomas admitted he pretty almost ended up crippled because of a neck injury!!! Samuel's injury was extremely serious he still hasn't recovered! Where was Rhinehart? He wasn't hurt was he? He was a 3rd round pick not a damned undrafted free agent like Heyer! Where was he when they needed him!!!

Posted by: periculum | April 27, 2009 9:00 PM | Report abuse

periculum...

With the Eagles as such a "model" organization, how many Superbowls have they won?

Almost only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades...

We swept them too!

Posted by: rickyroge | April 27, 2009 9:01 PM | Report abuse

ok periculum, you win....

can you write what you would have said if we picked an O-lineman.

Posted by: rickyroge | April 27, 2009 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell, C. Portis, I wish you both well.

Posted by: abxinc | April 27, 2009 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Cowher doesn't need the money right now, with his TV gig etc. He can take a slightly lower paying position to have more favorable ownership. Jerry Richardson is lightyears ahead of DS. D*p Sh*t

Posted by: lsskinsfan | April 27, 2009

Everybody knows Snyder is an idiot who thinks he can coach and GM. He can do anything he is the great Snidely Owl. All Cowher has to do is come in and he will be asked to leave in 2 years. That's about the average for a coach under Snidely Owl. Put up with sniveling Vinnie and stoopid Snidely for 2 years. Rake in humongo dough. Retire. The only reason Gibbs stayed longer is that he really is actually loyal to the team and franchise. No one else will be believe me.

Posted by: periculum | April 27, 2009 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Duke Robinson wasn't the catch, imho, Posse81_83_84.

It's not like you'd ever trust him to handle the ball, which Casey Rabach and whoever is his replacement in waiting would have to do.

There were a ton of center/guards in this draft (actually more than that, if you weighed them all up) who are legitimate centers and also big and mobile enough to be guards in the NFL.

Alex Mack went higher than even I expected, at pick 21.

But Antoine Caldwell went just 4 picks before our 3rd, to the Texans.

And Jonathan Luigs went in the 4th.

Drafting centers isn't splashy of course, and remembering the pocket being pushed back into your QB's face isn't something a megalomaniac like the Danny could be expected to remember when it's like, 4 months later already.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 27, 2009 9:11 PM | Report abuse

We swept them too!
Posted by: rickyroge | April 27, 2009

And the Cardinals and Kurt Warner. The second Eagle game was the only real game they won in the 2nd half of the season. When everyone on the defense came off the IR for one last hurrah! The Magnificent Eleven! Like watching an old Civil War battle of Gettysburg movie watching the South's Zenith slowly ebb away.

The rest of the 2nd half was pretty much a nightmare of almost cataclysmic proportions.

And what did the Eagles do after a heart wrenching loss to one of their fiercest division rivals? When out and took it out on the Giants.

The Redskins are not even close to being as well run as the Eagles under Andy Reid who has been there since around 1998. They are one of the biggest jokes of the NFL because of their owner with only a brief respite with the return of uber legend Joe Jackson Gibbs.

Posted by: periculum | April 27, 2009 9:15 PM | Report abuse

TheCork

You seem to be much better at not liking the skins than liking them so do us a favor and not be a skins fan. Because as a skins fan you are quite confusing. I cant tell if you like them or not. You are so cynical and negative.

Posted by: ged0386 | April 27, 2009 5:17 PM

Seems odd that a guy with "GED" in his name would need anything explained to him but here it goes: I think he's a fan of the team but has a problem with how it's been run. So, like a lot of us, he loves the skins but isn't so fond of the owner and his assistant.

Posted by: mack1

Thank you Mack, for your accurate assessment.

Like many long-time fans, I'm impatient and spoiled. I've watched three Superbowls and a wonderfully run franchise in the past.

And I know this. Knowing personnel is a full time job. I don't think it strange that this year two owner-dillitante-egomaniacs came in for criticism from their fans and generally pulled down grades of C to D in drafting,. The trouble is--and maybe the recession is partly to blame--Snyder and jerruh Jones have too much else on their plate.

GED, if you watched Indy's Polian on NFL TV tonight, you'd agree. Smart as a whip. Experienced. In charge. Not some guy who rides in on his steed a few weeks before thee Draft and says give me one from Column A and two from column B.

A Cynic is someone who holds people to a higher standard, and turns bitter when they disappoint.

So in essence you.ree right. I'm cynical about the 'skins FO.

I wish they'd fix it, then I could be a see-no-evil bandwagoneer like you and so many pollyanna's here.

Posted by: TheCork | April 27, 2009 9:17 PM | Report abuse

The last two days has reminded me ofsomething--a good number of football fans think that they're a better evaluator of NFL talent than the professionals who dedicate their career to creating and cultivating teams and talent. Unless you're one of these NFL staffers with knowledge of the whole picture, you can't begin to act like you know better than the Skins staff does. As difficult as it can be given the recent history of our squad, it's time to have some faith in the Redskins and their ability to do something positive in this league.

On a side note,I'm not a fan of these unwarranted attacks on the UMD offensive line pick-ups. As a Terp, I might be a bit biased, but I've seen these people play time and time again. The oline that left Maryland after last season is a group of intelligent and dedicated athletes who clearly have impressed the Skins staff. Both Burley and Edwin Williams have the potential to be solid contributors to the Skins. I'd love to see Edwin, a local product, get the chance to step up big into the oline at center.

Overall, it's incredibly important to recognize you can't begin to judge the success of the Draft or UDFA pick ups until you've seen them on the field. Any statements made prior to that are baseless.

Posted by: SkinsFan22 | April 27, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Well said, 22. I've tried numerous times to make this point, but you stated it very concisely.

I believe the proper term is hubris...
Hubris (/hjuːbrɪs/) (ancient Greek ὕβρις) is a term used in modern English to indicate overweening pride, superciliousness, or arrogance, often resulting in fatal retribution or nemesis. In ancient Greece, hubris referred to actions which, intentionally or not, shamed and humiliated the victim, and frequently the perpetrator as well.

We need to have some faith that our scouts, who make a living looking at prospects, know "a little" more than we do.

I know that's not what we bloggers want to hear, but it is reality. Could any of us make a living doing this?

Posted by: frediefritz | April 27, 2009 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Philadelphia: The Eagles improved their offensive line by acquiring tackles Jason Peters and Stacy Andrews; they improved their skill by drafting speedy Missouri receiver Jeremy Maclin and productive Pittsburgh running back LeSean McCoy. Maclin gives Donovan McNabb a big-play target, and McCoy is the best No. 2 option they have had behind Brian Westbrook.

Washington Redskins
2009 draft class
Best pick: DE Brian Orakpo, Texas (first round, No. 13 overall)
Worst pick: OLB Cody Glenn, Nebraska (fifth round, No. 158 overall)
Bottom line: It looked for a while as though the Redskins would land QB Mark Sanchez, but after failing to do so, they are now left doing damage control with returning starting QB Jason Campbell. The good news is Washington's first two picks -- its only two in the first four rounds -- should both become good starters. Orakpo fits better as a 4-3 defensive end and should help immediately upgrade the Redskins' feeble pass rush. CB Kevin Barnes is an underrated corner who, when healthy, shows the potential to develop into a good starter.

Posted by: periculum | April 27, 2009 9:24 PM | Report abuse

periculum replied " Kid your dad must get upset with you for being a dimwit doesn't he! DUH WE DON'T NEED JLC to tell us what our own eyes beheld! Jansen faultering, Heyer hurt, GEISINGER, GEISINGER GEISINGER AN UNDRAFTED FA CENTER SENT OUT TO PLAY TACKLE ON A PASSING DOWN AGAINST TERRELL SUGGS!!! "YOU GUYS WERW DEPLETED!" What part of that doesn't register with your amoebic sized brain!? GO MOW THE LAWN for your dad, stand on your head and spit nickels!!! Eat grass and snipes in the grass! JUST STOP BEING SO INSUFFERABLT STOOOPID! Sheesh Randy Thomas admitted he pretty almost ended up crippled because of a neck injury!!! Samuel's injury was extremely serious he still hasn't recovered! Where was Rhinehart? He wasn't hurt was he? He was a 3rd round pick not a damned undrafted free agent like Heyer! Where was he when they needed him!!!
Periculum, you need a shrink. You reply to other's thread as if no one has any knowledge of football but you, we are all fans expressing our own individual perceptions.
Thank God none of your "fake GM picks" materialized. Your attitude and offensive and abusive remarks need to be checked, and of course I truly belief you have the acumen of a 2 year old. Get a life, you can never be a GM of McDonalds, less NFL. By the way amoeba has no shape, size, or form.

Posted by: abxinc | April 27, 2009 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Man...I don't give a fugg what Suggs an opposing team's LB has to say just to show hatred for the FO!!!

IMPOSTERS!!!

Posted by: rickyroge

All he said, was Geisenger at OT was a joke. It was bad he's a back-up center, but he's gone.

We got the over the hill gang on O line + 9 - 300+ lb. under 26 years old back-ups.

KENDALL WOULD BE A GREAT ADDITION!


Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 27, 2009 9:24 PM | Report abuse

A Cynic is someone who holds people to a higher standard, and turns bitter when they disappoint.
=============================================
How do you feel about G.W.Bush and Dick Cheney, Mr. Cork?

I'm thinking by the standards you mentioned, they did not disappoint.

They turned out to be exactly the destructive, greedy rat bastards they were expected to be.

By myself, at least.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 27, 2009 9:25 PM | Report abuse

OT T.J. Lang is one of the most underrated offensive linemen in this year's class and could emerge as yet another midround O-line starter for Green Bay. The Packers also took some chances in the later rounds on risk/reward players like G Jamon Meredith,/b>

Posted by: periculum | April 27, 2009 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Periculum, not sure why you think I'm a kid because I'm not at all bit you're a great speller.

Anyway, rinehart was supposed to play guard not tackle. The plan was to move him from his college position to inside at guard. He got owned at tackle the one time he played there against the jets. A hurt randy is probably better than most backups. Geisinger wasn't a rookie so maybe the coaches felt more comfortable with him. Honestly I don't know, neither do you. Is the fact he didnt play a good sign? Clearly not.

But all I'm saying is why do you insist he is a permanent already? And you're over here getting emotional about me because you want a reason to be miserable. Have fun.

Posted by: AdamCr | April 27, 2009 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Quit being so damn negative and actually root for your team and it's players and the management!

Posted by: Hail2theChief

Here’s the problem with that. If you root for the team it’s difficult for the intelligent fan to root for this management.

Posted by: TheCork | April 27, 2009 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Two biggest mistakes the team ever made: letting Pierce go and drafting Malcolm Kelly.

Posted by: talent_evaluator

We absolutely, positively 100% agree

Signed,

Adam Archuletta and Brandon Lloyd

Posted by: TheCork | April 27, 2009 9:31 PM | Report abuse

I believe the proper term is hubris...
Hubris (/hjuːbrɪs/) (ancient Greek ὕβρις) is a term used in modern English to indicate overweening pride, superciliousness, or arrogance, often resulting in fatal retribution or nemesis. In ancient Greece, hubris referred to actions which, intentionally or not, shamed and humiliated the victim, and frequently the perpetrator as well.

We need to have some faith that our scouts, who make a living looking at prospects, know "a little" more than we do.

I know that's not what we bloggers want to hear, but it is reality. Could any of us make a living doing this?

Posted by: frediefritz | April 27, 2009 9:24 PM
==========================================
Irony:

Noun

* S: (n) sarcasm, irony, satire, caustic remark (witty language used to convey insults or scorn) "he used sarcasm to upset his opponent"; "irony is wasted on the stupid"; "Satire is a sort of glass, wherein beholders do generally discover everybody's face but their own"--Jonathan Swift
* S: (n) irony (incongruity between what might be expected and what actually occurs) "the irony of Ireland's copying the nation she most hated"
* S: (n) irony (a trope that involves incongruity between what is expected and what occurs)

Example: To criticize Danny Snider's football knowledge would be hubris.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 27, 2009 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Also, I'm interested in how R Thomas gets used. Hopefully, he'll do more than just play special teams and back up Rocky Mac.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 27, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Hey we have too many Thomas's and Williams'. Is R Thomas Robert or Randy? E Williams Eddie or Edwin, and is there a third Williams? Mike?

Posted by: frediefritz | April 27, 2009 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Two biggest mistakes the team ever made: letting Pierce go and drafting Malcolm Kelly.

Posted by: talent_evaluator

We absolutely, positively 100% agree

Signed,

Adam Archuletta and Brandon Lloyd

Posted by: TheCork | April 27, 2009 9:31 PM

We do too.

Sincerely,

Bruce Smith and Deion Sanders

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 27, 2009 9:33 PM | Report abuse

...Overall, it's incredibly important to recognize you can't begin to judge the success of the Draft or UDFA pick ups until you've seen them on the field. Any statements made prior to that are baseless.

Posted by: SkinsFan22

...We need to have some faith that our scouts, who make a living looking at prospects, know "a little" more than we do.

I know that's not what we bloggers want to hear, but it is reality. Could any of us make a living doing this?

Posted by: frediefritz

Agreed with both. It's OK to write, "here is what I would do...". Or, to write, "I think they made a bad move because...".

But, there are a lot of 'know it all's' on here that seem to focus on the negatives. I think (key words) thye are miserable people who want company.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 27, 2009 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Hey we have too many Thomas's and Williams'. Is R Thomas Robert or Randy? E Williams Eddie or Edwin, and is there a third Williams? Mike?

Posted by: frediefritz | April 27, 2009 9:33 PM | Report abuse

We have a fourth Williams sighting...Jaison

Posted by: frediefritz | April 27, 2009 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Two biggest mistakes the team ever made: letting Pierce go and drafting Malcolm Kelly.

Posted by: talent_evaluator

We absolutely, positively 100% agree

Signed,

Adam Archuletta and Brandon Lloyd

Posted by: TheCork | April 27, 2009 9:31 PM

We do too.

Sincerely,

Bruce Smith and Deion Sanders

Posted by: scampbell1975

Agreed.

Sincerely,

Steve Spurrier and Danny Wuerful

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 27, 2009 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Two biggest mistakes the team ever made: letting Pierce go and drafting Malcolm Kelly.

Posted by: talent_evaluator

We absolutely, positively 100% agree

Signed,

Adam Archuletta and Brandon Lloyd

Posted by: TheCork | April 27, 2009 9:31 PM

We do too.

Sincerely,

Bruce Smith and Deion Sanders

Posted by: scampbell1975

Agreed.

Sincerely,

Steve Spurrier and Danny Wuerful

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 27, 2009 9:40 PM |

I'll vote for that bill.

Yours Truly,

Rep. Heath Shuler

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 27, 2009 9:43 PM | Report abuse

======
How do you feel about G.W.Bush and Dick Cheney, Mr. Cork?

I'm thinking by the standards you mentioned, they did not disappoint.

They turned out to be exactly the destructive, greedy rat bastards they were expected to be.

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya |


I'd tell you, but it would be a political comment, which I prefer not to see or make on this board. Feel free to guess.

Posted by: TheCork | April 27, 2009 9:43 PM | Report abuse

When was his last surgery? They said he'd be fully ready for June. I said who knows but it's too early to write him off. Would you rather he suck so you could say I told you so or that he get healthy and become a contributor?

We all cuss out the FO for lacking patience (justifiably in many cases) but some of the same fans are quick to write off guys that have a chance on this team

Posted by: AdamCr | April 27, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse
January. He is recovering, should be ready for training camp

Posted by: frediefritz | April 27, 2009 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Two biggest mistakes the team ever made: letting Pierce go and drafting Malcolm Kelly.

Posted by: talent_evaluator

We absolutely, positively 100% agree

Signed,

Adam Archuletta and Brandon Lloyd

Posted by: TheCork | April 27, 2009 9:31 PM

We do too.

Sincerely,

Bruce Smith and Deion Sanders

Posted by: scampbell1975

Agreed.

Sincerely,

Steve Spurrier and Danny Wuerful

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 27, 2009 9:40 PM |

I'll vote for that bill.

Yours Truly,

Rep. Heath Shuler

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 27, 2009 9:43 PM

I'm still available, guys.

Confidently,
Jeff George

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 27, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Boy, there's a lot of anger in this blog.

Too bad.

Everyone has a beef about what wasn't done.

The vast majority of the posts read like a glasses half empty.

If folks take into account all the FO moves from the start of free agency to the present moment, they's see a stud d-tackle, a promising rookie slb, a stud corner signed, a good punter, some resigned veteren ends, a starting left guard, some speedy special teamers, a couple of young drafted linebackers, and the future not endangered in a dumb move to add a 22 year old photo-genic Trojan quarterback.

And out of the undrafted players two young linemen some claim actually have promise. But because they weren't drafted, everyone sees things half full.

Things are not as bad as folks make them out to be. Y'all need to chill.

Trust me.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 27, 2009 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Things are not as bad as folks make them out to be. Y'all need to chill.

Trust me.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 27, 2009 9:53 PM |
=============================================

All we are saying, is give peas a chance?

I never figured you for a hippie, Moe, but welcome aboard.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 27, 2009 10:03 PM | Report abuse

What's the chance the Skins take a shot at Levi Jones now that the Bengals appear ready to move or release him?

Posted by: vze2bnyf | April 27, 2009 10:09 PM | Report abuse

... Denver got 2 first rounds a 3rd and a starting QB ...

Posted by: sovine08 | April 27, 2009 1:27 PM

Amazing, ain't it. Denver gets 2 1st rounders, a 3rd rounder and a starting QB for Cutler and the Browns get a worse 1st rounder, a second rounder and spare parts for Sanchez.
1. Cutler is a proven commodity and Sanchez is an unknown at the pro level.
2. The Bears were desperate.
Hence after simplification we have:

2 1sts + proven QB = desperation + unknown difference in QB future performance level

It will be a long time before we see that equation again.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 27, 2009 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Two biggest mistakes the team ever made: letting Pierce go and drafting Malcolm Kelly.

Posted by: talent_evaluator

We absolutely, positively 100% agree

Signed,

Adam Archuletta and Brandon Lloyd

Posted by: TheCork | April 27, 2009 9:31 PM

We do too.

Sincerely,

Bruce Smith and Deion Sanders

Posted by: scampbell1975

Agreed.

Sincerely,

Steve Spurrier and Danny Wuerful

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 27, 2009 9:40 PM |

I'll vote for that bill.

Yours Truly,

Rep. Heath Shuler

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 27, 2009 9:43 PM

I'm still available, guys.

Confidently,
Jeff George

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 27, 2009 9:49 PM

I miss all of you.

Best,

J. Trotter

Posted by: edvar | April 27, 2009 10:11 PM | Report abuse

thunder

'...I never figured you for a hippie, Moe, but welcome aboard...'

Not a hippie, just an adult and a realist.

I don't see how folks say, "The FO sucks," in one breath, then breathes in disbelief when it engages in behavior that, well, sucks.

The realist in me knew the skins wouldn't draft the lineman the bloggas craved and the adult in me moved on from that truth to see the team as a whole.

And from where I sit, the whole team doesn't look that bad.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 27, 2009 10:12 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins signed two other tackles--specifically Mike Williams.

All 450 pounds of him.

Posted by: TheCork | April 27, 2009 5:27 PM |

Now there you go again, Mr. Crock. I just looked him up on the Redskins Roster and he doesn't weigh an ounce over 360. He's a lean, mean, eatin' machine.


Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 27, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

I understand he is in the middle of 450 and 360. JZ said he was 410 currently, would work with training staff for the time-being. I'm sure THEY WOULD LIKE TO GET DOWN TO 375.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 27, 2009 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Two biggest mistakes the team ever made: letting Pierce go and drafting Malcolm Kelly.

Posted by: talent_evaluator

We absolutely, positively 100% agree

Signed,

Adam Archuletta and Brandon Lloyd

Posted by: TheCork | April 27, 2009 9:31 PM

We do too.

Sincerely,

Bruce Smith and Deion Sanders

Posted by: scampbell1975

Agreed.

Sincerely,

Steve Spurrier and Danny Wuerful

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 27, 2009 9:40 PM |

I'll vote for that bill.

Yours Truly,

Rep. Heath Shuler

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 27, 2009 9:43 PM

I'm still available, guys.

Confidently,
Jeff George

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 27, 2009 9:49 PM

I miss all of you.

Best,

J. Trotter

Posted by: edvar | April 27, 2009 10:11 PM


What am I, chopped liver?


Smiles,

Jason Taylor

xo

Posted by: edvar | April 27, 2009 10:18 PM | Report abuse


Two biggest mistakes the team ever made: letting Pierce go and drafting Malcolm Kelly.

Posted by: talent_evaluator

We absolutely, positively 100% agree

Signed,

Adam Archuletta and Brandon Lloyd

Posted by: TheCork | April 27, 2009 9:31 PM

We do too.

Sincerely,

Bruce Smith and Deion Sanders

Posted by: scampbell1975

Agreed.

Sincerely,

Steve Spurrier and Danny Wuerful

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 27, 2009 9:40 PM |

I'll vote for that bill.

Yours Truly,

Rep. Heath Shuler

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 27, 2009 9:43 PM

I'm still available, guys.

Confidently,
Jeff George

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 27, 2009 9:49 PM

I miss all of you.

Best,

J. Trotter

Posted by: edvar | April 27, 2009 10:11 PM |
This is fun, how do we get in on this.

Yours,

Andre Johnson and Desmond Howard

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 27, 2009 10:19 PM | Report abuse


Two biggest mistakes the team ever made: letting Pierce go and drafting Malcolm Kelly.

Posted by: talent_evaluator

We absolutely, positively 100% agree

Signed,

Adam Archuletta and Brandon Lloyd

Posted by: TheCork | April 27, 2009 9:31 PM

We do too.

Sincerely,

Bruce Smith and Deion Sanders

Posted by: scampbell1975

Agreed.

Sincerely,

Steve Spurrier and Danny Wuerful

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 27, 2009 9:40 PM |

I'll vote for that bill.

Yours Truly,

Rep. Heath Shuler

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 27, 2009 9:43 PM

I'm still available, guys.

Confidently,
Jeff George

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 27, 2009 9:49 PM

I miss all of you.

Best,

J. Trotter

Posted by: edvar | April 27, 2009 10:11 PM |
This is fun, how do we get in on this.

Yours,

Andre Johnson and Desmond Howard

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 27, 2009 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Two biggest mistakes the team ever made: letting Pierce go and drafting Malcolm Kelly.

Posted by: talent_evaluator

We absolutely, positively 100% agree

Signed,

Adam Archuletta and Brandon Lloyd

Posted by: TheCork | April 27, 2009 9:31 PM

We do too.

Sincerely,

Bruce Smith and Deion Sanders

Posted by: scampbell1975

Agreed.

Sincerely,

Steve Spurrier and Danny Wuerful

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 27, 2009 9:40 PM |

I'll vote for that bill.

Yours Truly,

Rep. Heath Shuler

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 27, 2009 9:43 PM

I'm still available, guys.

Confidently,
Jeff George

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 27, 2009 9:49 PM

I miss all of you.

Best,

J. Trotter

Posted by: edvar | April 27, 2009 10:11 PM


Hey Coach Pettibone, where's my locker?

Sincerely, Sean Gilbert.

Posted by: mrsaun | April 27, 2009 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Sigh.

We're expecting our defense to be Pittsburgh-esque to carry our team to victory.

Our D will be good, but not that good.

And I like JC, but he's not Big Ben.

Nor are our WRs as good as theirs, and even their sub-par O-line is better than ours.

The FO thinks the O-line is decent enough to hang in there for one more year and that the rest of the team can overcome it.

Unfortunately, they're not good enough. And its not going to work in the NFC East.

And also unfortunately, it probably spells the end of JC/Zorn in DC when we go 8-8, 9-7 this year and miss the playoffs.

And yes, I think that is what the FO wants, so they can go after Shanny/Cowher/Tebow...etc. etc.

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 27, 2009 10:26 PM | Report abuse

PERICULUM -

You're gonna get banned. And I'm gonna be the one to ban ya.

I just wanted you to know that.

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 27, 2009 10:28 PM | Report abuse

The realist in me knew the skins wouldn't draft the lineman the bloggas craved and the adult in me moved on from that truth to see the team as a whole.

And from where I sit, the whole team doesn't look that bad.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 27, 2009 10:12 PM |
=============================================
The defense got better.

But we are counting a whole bunch on an offensive line that is old and injury-prone, and broke down big time last year.

This year, they're a year older, and we've got Dockery back.

That's a hell of a long term plan. What if we go 9-7 next year, and miss the playoffs?

And then we have to replace 3-4/5 of the O.L. in one off season.

~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 27, 2009 10:31 PM | Report abuse

PERICULUM -

You're gonna get banned. And I'm gonna be the one to ban ya.

I just wanted you to know that.

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 27, 2009 10:28 PM |

Good luck buddy. I already reported him for that nasty fecal matter thing he had going on. He's a D&D/Trekkie shut in that lives for any attention he can get. By getting him banned you may indeed ruin his life. So again I say, good luck, I'm pulling for you.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 27, 2009 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Am I late to the game? I just wanted to thank Mr. Snyder for the $10 Mil. I got a phat studio in my Hummer for da summa now. And I'm riding on 50s....

Regards,

BLloyd the Rapper

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 27, 2009 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Two biggest mistakes the team ever made: letting Pierce go and drafting Malcolm Kelly.

Posted by: talent_evaluator

We absolutely, positively 100% agree

Signed,

Adam Archuletta and Brandon Lloyd

Posted by: TheCork | April 27, 2009 9:31 PM

We do too.

Sincerely,

Bruce Smith and Deion Sanders

Posted by: scampbell1975

Agreed.

Sincerely,

Steve Spurrier and Danny Wuerful

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 27, 2009 9:40 PM |

I'll vote for that bill.

Yours Truly,

Rep. Heath Shuler

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 27, 2009 9:43 PM

I'm still available, guys.

Confidently,
Jeff George

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 27, 2009 9:49 PM

I miss all of you.

Best,

J. Trotter

Posted by: edvar | April 27, 2009 10:11 PM |
This is fun, how do we get in on this.

Yours,

Andre Johnson and Desmond Howard

Posted by: scampbell1975

Enough Guys!

From,

Danny Snyder and Fed Ex Field

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 27, 2009 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Am I late to the game? I just wanted to thank Mr. Snyder for the $10 Mil. I got a phat studio in my Hummer for da summa now. And I'm riding on 50s....

Regards,

BLloyd the Rapper

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 27, 2009 10:37 PM

Yep, you're already on the VIP list. Need a body guard?

Michael Westbrook

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 27, 2009 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Two biggest mistakes the team ever made: letting Pierce go and drafting Malcolm Kelly.

Posted by: talent_evaluator

We absolutely, positively 100% agree

Signed,

Adam Archuletta and Brandon Lloyd

Posted by: TheCork | April 27, 2009 9:31 PM

We do too.

Sincerely,

Bruce Smith and Deion Sanders

Posted by: scampbell1975

Agreed.

Sincerely,

Steve Spurrier and Danny Wuerful

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 27, 2009 9:40 PM |

I'll vote for that bill.

Yours Truly,

Rep. Heath Shuler

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 27, 2009 9:43 PM

I'm still available, guys.

Confidently,
Jeff George

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 27, 2009 9:49 PM

I miss all of you.

Best,

J. Trotter

Posted by: edvar | April 27, 2009 10:11 PM |
This is fun, how do we get in on this.

Yours,

Andre Johnson and Desmond Howard

Posted by: scampbell1975

Enough Guys!

From,

Danny Snyder and Fed Ex Field
Posted by: pabrian2003 |


Amen, those guys suck!
-Jason Campbell and Patrick Ramsey

Posted by: isnadd | April 27, 2009 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Yep, you're already on the VIP list. Need a body guard?

Michael Westbrook

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 27, 2009 10:42 PM

Need a hitman for BLloyd's Bodygaurd?

Yes, I do. Yes. I. Do!

Stephen Davis

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 27, 2009 10:59 PM | Report abuse

On Orakpo, its likely he'll not have a major impact in year 1.

The Skins need to figure out whether he is an LB or a DE at the NFL level. That requires experimenting. After they get some clarity on where he is best, the Skins need to give him that job and let him grow into it. If it takes all season, that's OK.

There are a few LBs that hit the scene and were immediate impact players (Willis, Mayo, Merriman). Orakpo could be another, but its unfair to count on that.

If he becomes the next Willis, great. If he takes a year to develop and becomes a beast in year 2 (a la Mario Williams), that's also great.

Posted by: zcezcest1
I read somewhere, and it may have even been a quote from Orapko from his pre-draft visit here, that there is talk of him playing SAM on running downs and switching to LE on passing downs. I've read they have been working speedster Cris Wilson at SAM too...

Posted by: kenboy1 | April 27, 2009 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Enough Guys!

From,

Danny Snyder and Fed Ex Field

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 27, 2009 10:41 PM | Report abuse

"Remember the 5-year $8million deal you gave me?"

Regards,
Chad Morton


Something snarky

Sincerely,
Tony Banks


Something clever
Yours Forever,

Trung Canidate & Ki-Jana Carter


Posted by: p1funk | April 27, 2009 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Whoa, whoa, whoa, don't forget me!

Off to visit the White House (in Texas),
Alvin Harper

Posted by: countystyle | April 27, 2009 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Way to zap the spirit of the game funk

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 27, 2009 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Way to zap the spirit of the game funk

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 27, 2009 11:11 PM | Report abuse

You could have at least come up with something snarky and clever. Or at least something that vaguely resembles either.

PS. Why do my posts keep coming up in duplicate? I'm irritated by it so I can't imagine what it's doing to you guys.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 27, 2009 11:14 PM | Report abuse

PERICULUM -
You're gonna get banned. And I'm gonna be the one to ban ya.
I just wanted you to know that.
Posted by: Rypien11 | April 27, 2009

Many have tried few have succeeded for I am Indigo-Crystal, in 1969 we went to the moon, the miracle Mets won, and this enormous grid was conceived. Wiser than Yoda, stronger than Samson, faster than the great white I swoop by ya ... I tease ya ... come closer little one ... closer, closer, closer than WHAM:

Flamers and Flame Bait. It's a symbiotic relationship, AND YOU ARE THE EASIEST, least sentient, most amoebic flame bate!

Posted by: periculum | April 27, 2009 11:14 PM | Report abuse

To all it may concern to consistantly bash the team and always think they are doomed no matter what...Complaining and whining like they are a great football mind etc etc etc...


GO PULL FOR ANOTHER TEAM!!!!

Posted by: leevi98 | April 27, 2009 11:15 PM | Report abuse

Zorn hinted at this on Sunday, he just doesn't get in that rhythm where opposing D's are really worried. Solid quarterback, sure, but I really haven't seen any signs of that "it" factor very good NFL QB's have. Now go ahead and dissect it, pull out some random stat like, I don't know "Passes between 4-6 yards completed with 34 seconds on the clock in the 4th quarter when we're losing by one score."

My point is, JC lacks the intangibles.

Posted by: TheTruth11
You can't call JC's O line last year even average at the end of the season. And, I'm sorry, Werner, Roth, Brady, et al, had more than just "a solid WR". They had the likes of Moss, Ward/Holmes, and Fitzgerald/Bouldin. Plus, and this is a big plus, coaches who knew how to maximize their QB's chances to make plays. That lets out any of the coaches JC has had to work with since he's been here.

Posted by: kenboy1 | April 27, 2009 11:15 PM | Report abuse

Two biggest mistakes the team ever made: letting Pierce go and drafting Malcolm Kelly.

Posted by: talent_evaluator

We absolutely, positively 100% agree

Signed,

Adam Archuletta and Brandon Lloyd

Posted by: TheCork | April 27, 2009 9:31 PM

We do too.

Sincerely,

Bruce Smith and Deion Sanders

Posted by: scampbell1975

Agreed.

Sincerely,

Steve Spurrier and Danny Wuerful

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 27, 2009 9:40 PM |

I'll vote for that bill.

Yours Truly,

Rep. Heath Shuler

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 27, 2009 9:43 PM

I'm still available, guys.

Confidently,
Jeff George

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 27, 2009 9:49 PM |
Forgot about me? Your big, nasty looking running back beating, wide receiver.
Sincerely,
Westbrook.

Posted by: abxinc | April 27, 2009 11:27 PM | Report abuse

Moe,

I suppose we can all be positive until the season starts ... but as one of the regulars here recounted. I've been spoiled, George Allen and his "winning is now" philosophy ... he gave us one Superbowl which was the last great effort of his Rams defense combined with the potent Lombardi offense, then came a lull with Pardee but not a bad lull mind you ... and then to everyone's surprise came Joe Jackson Gibbs and suddenly people feared playing the Redskins! How could that be! They feared coming to RFK to hear the bleachers creak as if they would collapse, they hated our marching song and our cheerleaders weren't sexy distractions they were in their face! We had the best house, the best home stadium for any team in any sport in the entire world! We were it! Allen started it, telling us how to and when to cheer, and Gibbs finished it in his quiet way avenging us against evil perpetrators from nearby "Grecian" city states like Philadelphia and the always hated Dallas Cowboys. Hah! America's team! We're in DC the center of the known Universe. Who cares about a dry gulch like Dallas. Sigh ...

And now to sink to the lowly depths to be owned by the evil twin of the Hunchback of Notre Dame. It defies all description. It racks us with tortuous pain ... it brings out the worst in us. We deserve better ... yet in our hearts we know he (Snidely) is just one of us who should know better than to meddle in things only the true wizards of the game know ... from years of experience gleaned from losing and winning. We are now the laughable Cardinals, the ridiculous Saints, the trod upon Patriots, among the lowliest dwellers of the dungeon of losers dregs. All because of Snidely the Owl of Woodward High.

Posted by: periculum | April 27, 2009 11:27 PM | Report abuse

Sorry guys,

I've had several glasses of wine and I just caught a glimpse of Vinny and Larry Michael on Redskin Nation as I was flipping the channels - two folks on my Top 10 Most Hated List...

I'd like to rip the-you-know-what out of the FO, but I just couldn't muster the fire right now...

Posted by: p1funk | April 27, 2009 11:33 PM | Report abuse

GO PULL FOR ANOTHER TEAM!!!!
Posted by: leevi98 | April 27, 2009

Stooopid kid you don't know how to "root for a team". Are you rooting for the Nats or are you traitorous Orioles fan! Orioles, Balmer fan I knew it. You root for a loser until they become a winner. You follow every game, every tidbit of news hoping against hope that winning will ensue! Again GO TO BED KID YOU BOTHER ME! Eat snipes and grass from the lawn. Go play in traffic. You are ridiculously a pathetic piece of driftwood floating in the flotsam of prozac popping net.knobs. Do something useful with your head besides using it as a hat rack. Shut your brain up, stick a q-tip in it!

Posted by: periculum | April 27, 2009 11:34 PM | Report abuse

BTW, in case you are wondering here it is:

The P1Funk Top 10 Most Hated List:

1) Anyone related to Dallas Cowboys
2) Dan Snyder
3) Larry Michael
4) Vinny C.
5) Politicians in general
6) Lebron James
7) Keith Olbermann
8) Sean Hannity
9) Osama Bin Laden
10) Pop Music Icons

Posted by: p1funk | April 27, 2009 11:38 PM | Report abuse

Sorry guys,
I've had several glasses of wine

I've had only three but they were all organic from Pizza Fusion. Does that count?

Posted by: periculum | April 27, 2009 11:39 PM | Report abuse

Actually, I blew my own list.

At #2 it should read "Anyone related to Duke Blue Devils"

The Pop Music Icons get bumped to the second-tier...

Peri - it depends on the a-content of "organic" wine from Pizza Fusion...

Posted by: p1funk | April 27, 2009 11:44 PM | Report abuse

To all it may concern to consistantly bash the team and always think they are doomed no matter what...Complaining and whining like they are a great football mind etc etc etc...


GO PULL FOR ANOTHER TEAM!!!!

Posted by: leevi98 | April 27, 2009 11:15 PM | Report abuse


Dude, aren't you one of the dudes up here crying Armageddon over JC17?

Posted by: p1funk | April 27, 2009 11:47 PM | Report abuse

dudes, there is no friggin waitlist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hello?! the end of mediocrity is near!!!! yaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyy!!!!! one more tough year rooting for the fat boy and his toy (skins) and it's gonna get better. just stop giving him your money. it's working. it will work.

jm, just like spurrier will always have osaka you guys will always have those 5 games from last year. i hope you have it on dvr or vhs. lol....

Posted by: dealer1 | April 27, 2009 11:47 PM | Report abuse

BTW, in case you are wondering here it is:

The P1Funk Top 10 Most Hated List:

1) Anyone related to Dallas Cowboys
2) Dan Snyder
3) Larry Michael
4) Vinny C.
5) Politicians in general
6) Lebron James
7) Keith Olbermann
8) Sean Hannity
9) Osama Bin Laden
10) Pop Music Icons

Posted by: p1funk | April 27, 2009 11:38 PM
11) Perriculum

Posted by: abxinc | April 27, 2009 11:50 PM | Report abuse

Peri - it depends on the a-content of "organic" wine from Pizza Fusion...

Posted by: p1funk | April 27, 2009

Only a couple were officially organic. It costs a lot to get the official federal seal, a lot more to get California to approve it. Its a racket.

The wine was from Spain, a Torrontes I think? Pretty good ... really pretty good for a Pizza place. Best Caprese salad. Pizz Fusion makes gluten free Pizza crust out of rice, bean flour etc.

Posted by: periculum | April 27, 2009 11:51 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | April 27, 2009 11:38 PM
11) Perriculum


Posted by: abxinc | April 27, 2009 11:50 PM | Report abuse


Actually I've grown to like Peri.

Like myself, he's ready to take a part-time job ripping the FO for failing to address the O-line.

Posted by: p1funk | April 27, 2009 11:52 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | April 27, 2009 11:38 PM
11) Perriculum

Posted by: abxinc | April 27, 2009

Say isn't it your bed time yet? You'll miss the school bus! In any case I'm in good company kid for as you well know for many here #11 / #12 would be ...

12) Jason La Canfora.

Posted by: periculum | April 27, 2009 11:55 PM | Report abuse

Only a couple were officially organic. It costs a lot to get the official federal seal, a lot more to get California to approve it. Its a racket.

The wine was from Spain, a Torrontes I think? Pretty good ... really pretty good for a Pizza place. Best Caprese salad. Pizz Fusion makes gluten free Pizza crust out of rice, bean flour etc.

Posted by: periculum | April 27, 2009 11:51 PM | Report abuse

Well I'm several deep on the Frontera Chardonnay (a cheap but pretty tasty Chile brand that I like to get in bulk for around the house). I'm normally a red man, but I just had a hankerin' for white.

Otherwise my old man is from the Old Country (Italy) and he just gives me bottles of whatever when I stop by with the grandkids...

Posted by: p1funk | April 27, 2009 11:57 PM | Report abuse

gonna be a long slow blog until August

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 27, 2009 11:58 PM | Report abuse

gonna be a long slow blog until August

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 27, 2009 11:58 PM | Report abuse


I don't know about that.

I'm looking forward to hearing about how many more knee surgeries Kelly needs and whether Mike Williams can actually break the 390 barrier before training camp.

Posted by: p1funk | April 28, 2009 12:01 AM | Report abuse

Like myself, he's ready to take a part-time job ripping the FO for failing to address the O-line.

Posted by: p1funk | April 27, 2009

And I can't believe that I, me, that I am again saying this but I have actually come to believe that its that spiteful little black spider in his web out to undermine Jason Campbell and Jim Zorn so that he has "no choice" but to relieve them of their jobs. Reminds me of Henry F. Potter in its a "Wonderful Life". I can't see it any other way ... No OL, no attempt to address what was the most serious problem coming into this season other than to sign Dockery and release Kendall who probably was the most effective after Campbell.

Posted by: periculum | April 28, 2009 12:04 AM | Report abuse

To all it may concern to consistantly bash the team and always think they are doomed no matter what...Complaining and whining like they are a great football mind etc etc etc...


GO PULL FOR ANOTHER TEAM!!!!

Posted by: leevi98 | April 27, 2009 11:15 PM | Report abuse


Dude, aren't you one of the dudes up here crying Armageddon over JC17?

Posted by: p1funk | April 27, 2009 11:47 PM | Report abuse

Not at all...I love how when it comes to this blog...Pople always take waht you say and twist it to make their point look right.
Then others think your original opinion was something else.

I never cried "Armageddon over JC17" or anything related to the Skins. It is a sport for my entertainment...I do not focus my whole life and get so worked up like ssome on this blog.

not back to your question....My stance has never changed. I think JC is a decent QB that can manage a game. He is not a play maker. he will never take this team to a SB unless the team around him is just so good they can carry him as he manages the game.

As far as lumping me in with all the whining and complaining about every move the Redskins make...Your are barking up the wrong tree trying to make that point...cause it just is not true my friend.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 28, 2009 12:04 AM | Report abuse

Otherwise my old man is from the Old Country (Italy) and he just gives me bottles of whatever when I stop by with the grandkids...

Posted by: p1funk | April 27, 2009

Does he make Grappa the ol country way?

Posted by: periculum | April 28, 2009 12:05 AM | Report abuse

I feel sorry for Perriculum, this blog is the only thing he has in his life. He is a very bitter and lonely person. We should all tip toe around his comments because it is up to us to keep him from jumping off the building.

Posted by: sean-sean17 | April 28, 2009 12:06 AM | Report abuse

GO PULL FOR ANOTHER TEAM!!!!
Posted by: leevi98 | April 27, 2009

Stooopid kid you don't know how to "root for a team". Are you rooting for the Nats or are you traitorous Orioles fan! Orioles, Balmer fan I knew it. You root for a loser until they become a winner. You follow every game, every tidbit of news hoping against hope that winning will ensue! Again GO TO BED KID YOU BOTHER ME! Eat snipes and grass from the lawn. Go play in traffic. You are ridiculously a pathetic piece of driftwood floating in the flotsam of prozac popping net.knobs. Do something useful with your head besides using it as a hat rack. Shut your brain up, stick a q-tip in it!

Posted by: periculum | April 27, 2009 11:34 PM | Report abuse

First off..I'm no kid...2nd I do not need to type insults to people to make me feel like a bigger person. 3rd I hate baseball...

So it is pretty obvious you must have a low self esteem because I never named anyone in my staement...so at least you are showing you know you are one of the whiners and complainers I was speaking of.

5th...i have had enough of you and have also reported you to the post.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 28, 2009 12:08 AM | Report abuse


I never cried "Armageddon over JC17" or anything related to the Skins. It is a sport for my entertainment...I do not focus my whole life and get so worked up like ssome on this blog.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 28, 2009 12:04 AM | Report abuse


...and yet it is past midnight and you are up here blogging with the rest of us junkies...

Posted by: p1funk | April 28, 2009 12:10 AM | Report abuse

now back to your question....My stance has never changed. I think JC is a decent QB that can manage a game. He is not a play maker. he will never take this team to a SB unless the team around him is just so good they can carry him as he manages the game.

Remains to be seen. You usually have to wait for the 4th or 5th year as a starter to make that call. Been some really rare exceptions like Marino ... but how many Superbowls did he win. Yet Griese too them to a 16 game sweep.

The 4th or 5th year is pretty consistent. Even in the case of Casserly's choice Carr the jury may still be out I think. We'll have to wait and see how he performs if Peyton Manning goes down. He might surprise some people.

Quarterbacks develop like a fine wine, slowly and to perfection under the tutelage of one good coach. Not a baker's dozen.

Posted by: periculum | April 28, 2009 12:11 AM | Report abuse

Does he make Grappa the ol country way?

Posted by: periculum | April 28, 2009 12:05 AM | Report abuse


He's got a bottle of Grappa Julia that I think has been sitting around since I was a kid.

He's just a standard red/white guy...somtimes he brings back a nice bottle of limoncella...

Posted by: p1funk | April 28, 2009 12:12 AM | Report abuse

No OL, no attempt to address what was the most serious problem coming into this season other than to sign Dockery and release Kendall who probably was the most effective after Campbell.


Posted by: periculum | April 28, 2009 12:04 AM | Report abuse

And the funny thing about the Dockery signing is that he fell into our laps.

Seriously, it was the total ineptitude of the Bills and Lions that made him an FA, and then he decided to take less $ to come here...it's hard to give our FO credit for that one...

Posted by: p1funk | April 28, 2009 12:15 AM | Report abuse

He's got a bottle of Grappa Julia that I think has been sitting around since I was a kid.

He's just a standard red/white guy...somtimes he brings back a nice bottle of limoncella...

Posted by: p1funk | April 28, 2009

My grandfather used to grow his own grapes and make Grappa. Pretty heady stuff.

I prefer whites, but then I attended college in Italy, and at the student Mensa dry white wine was pretty much served with every meal. Small, dinky bottle ... nothing extravagant. I prefer the Arneis varietal from Piemonte. Still I liked those cafe corretto's ... grappa and espresso in the morning. Great kick start to get the day going.

Posted by: periculum | April 28, 2009 12:18 AM | Report abuse

I never cried "Armageddon over JC17" or anything related to the Skins. It is a sport for my entertainment...I do not focus my whole life and get so worked up like ssome on this blog.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 28, 2009 12:04 AM | Report abuse


...and yet it is past midnight and you are up here blogging with the rest of us junkies...


Posted by: p1funk | April 28, 2009 12:10 AM | Report abuse


Of course I am Pfunk :) I love to talk and discuss about the team...There is a difference ya know.....

and you know the people I'm talking about...They never have anything new to say and they say the same things over and over again...Hence i suggested they go and pull for another team to ease their pain and ours from there attitude.

Funny thing is ..i never named anyone but a certain whiner sure took it to heart...Maybe they are compensating for something else?

Posted by: leevi98 | April 28, 2009 12:19 AM | Report abuse

"who probably was the most effective after Campbell. "

I think I meant to say "Samuels" ... hiccup.

Posted by: periculum | April 28, 2009 12:21 AM | Report abuse

now back to your question....My stance has never changed. I think JC is a decent QB that can manage a game. He is not a play maker. he will never take this team to a SB unless the team around him is just so good they can carry him as he manages the game.

Remains to be seen. You usually have to wait for the 4th or 5th year as a starter to make that call. Been some really rare exceptions like Marino ... but how many Superbowls did he win. Yet Griese too them to a 16 game sweep.

The 4th or 5th year is pretty consistent. Even in the case of Casserly's choice Carr the jury may still be out I think. We'll have to wait and see how he performs if Peyton Manning goes down. He might surprise some people.

Quarterbacks develop like a fine wine, slowly and to perfection under the tutelage of one good coach. Not a baker's dozen.

Posted by: periculum | April 28, 2009 12:11 AM | Report abuse


Yes ..I agree with some of your comments...but the days of grooming a QB like you could before FA are over...But in this case...I'd say if you don't have it by your the 5th season...you never will...I am all for seeing what happens this year with JC...The only thing is...by the time he is "groomed" the team around him is old and it's time to rebuild.

Jc just has not shown us as of yet...that he is a franchise QB who derserves a long term deal to be the QB be here after this year...Let's hope he shows otherwise this season. Showing some signs ina 4 game stretch does not cut it.

Posted by: leevi98 | April 28, 2009 12:23 AM | Report abuse

I feel sorry for Perriculum, this blog is the only thing he has in his life. He is a very bitter and lonely person. We should all tip toe around his comments because it is up to us to keep him from jumping off the building.

Posted by: sean-sean17 | April 28, 2009 12:06 AM | Report abuse

Good point!

Posted by: leevi98 | April 28, 2009 12:25 AM | Report abuse

Way to go studying in Italy, Peri. I have family in Rome and have been there a dozen times or so. Been around alot of Italy. When I move, it will be back to the old country - great food, great wine, great culture, great history, great beaches, great skiing...not sure you could ask for much more in a living place...

Leevi - March on. I like to talk and discuss about the team too, just in a whiny disgruntled kind of way. I'm looking forward to being wrong and seeing this team go 12-4...

Peace out, gents.

Posted by: p1funk | April 28, 2009 12:29 AM | Report abuse

I feel sorry for Perriculum, this blog is the only thing he has in his life. He is a very bitter and lonely person. We should all tip toe around his comments because it is up to us to keep him from jumping off the building.

Posted by: sean-sean17 | April 28, 2009

Outflamed and outfoxed ... good one there!

Close, but I'm not quite that bad. I was gone for a good while and then came back when I saw that I "lived in infamy" for suggesting that the team needed a Priest Holmes type of player, a scat back if you will to go out catch passes do the speed thing that Westbrook does for Philly ... gee looks like it caught on ... I must be brill eh!?

Just an alt.flame addict falling back into old habits. I live in a very nice place, with a spectacular view of the Pacific Ocean, the western gibraltar, what might be the oldest pier on the CA coast and all of its flora and fauna.

But I am also a hard core, never say die Redskins fan. In all the years I have followed this team I have never seen the team managed so cavalierly as it has been by Dan, the Snidely Owl, Snyder. Its abhorrent. Yet at the same time admittedly, but for the grace of God go I. I could be making those lame brained, completely stupid, numb-nuts decisions. I suppose many on this blog could be as spiteful, as mean spirited when it comes to the team. And that is what I see in Snyder. For want of a better way to put it, "it just ain't fittin'" or It just isn't healthy!

Posted by: periculum | April 28, 2009 1:05 AM | Report abuse

Way to go studying in Italy, Peri. I have family in Rome and have been there a dozen times or so. Been around alot of Italy. When I move, it will be back to the old country - great food, great wine, great culture, great history, great beaches, great skiing...not sure you could ask for much more in a living place...

Without a doubt the very best place I have ever lived. But even there I was still a Redskins fan, even against impossible odds found a way to follow the team and the games!

Posted by: periculum | April 28, 2009 1:06 AM | Report abuse

Why we're going to be better:

1. 4th best D + Haynesworth for Evans, Orakpo for J. Taylor, and Barnes for Springs.

2. 6th best running attack + Dockery

3. Campbell in the same system for first time in his career.

4. Improvement of last season's draftees - currently 9 players.

5. Increased sacks and turnovers will help offense score more points.

6. The Giants lost Spagnuolo, Burress, and Ward

7. The Cowboys and Eagles suck.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 28, 2009 1:07 AM | Report abuse

But I am also a hard core, never say die Redskins fan. In all the years I have followed this team I have never seen the team managed so cavalierly as it has been by Dan, the Snidely Owl, Snyder. Its abhorrent. Yet at the same time admittedly, but for the grace of God go I. I could be making those lame brained, completely stupid, numb-nuts decisions. I suppose many on this blog could be as spiteful, as mean spirited when it comes to the team. And that is what I see in Snyder. For want of a better way to put it, "it just ain't fittin'" or It just isn't healthy!

Posted by: periculum | April 28, 2009 1:05 AM

Beating a dead horse.

Last 5 years the FO has:

Hired Gibbs, drafted Sean Taylor, & LaRon Landry
made the playoffs twice
re-signed almost the entire roster after Gibbs retired
scored some late round guys like Golston, Montgomery, Horton
added London FLetcher, Albert Haynesworth , Dockery
and drafted a DE

These are good things that we didn't see happening the first 5 Snyder years.

Time to jump on the bandwagon and win DESPITE the owner.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 28, 2009 1:20 AM | Report abuse

I saw vinny on the "show" today. He seemed to really want Orakpo. His job is on the line too and the sandman could have been the end of him.

Don't have major problem with the draft. Hayer should be better. Chad in 2nd year may do something and got DD. Lots of FA so we can see what they can do. The real key is health and if Hayer can run block.

As I was last year I am worried about Samules. Also center could be a problem. I wish we got a center porspect in 5th or 6th round.

D should be top 3 for real not just stats. Need to move JC around more and to quick fake pitches to CP not long play action to give JC more time to see the field.

I am Pro JC bye the way.

Posted by: mul123 | April 28, 2009 2:25 AM | Report abuse

I heard alot of you same people last year talking about Horton the same way, remember!

Posted by: sputnee | April 28, 2009 3:24 AM | Report abuse

I think the signing of Daniel and the MD O-lineman have some potential. Some of you need to chill out. For pete sakes, it's only April. ROCK THE RED!

Posted by: croftonpost | April 28, 2009 6:05 AM | Report abuse

... Pizza Fusion makes gluten free Pizza crust out of rice, bean flour etc.

Posted by: periculum | April 27, 2009 11:51 PM

I hear that their booger toppings are much better than Dominos. Boogers have a lot of protein.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 28, 2009 6:31 AM | Report abuse

We should look into signing OT Levi Jones who is expected to be released by Cinn. Even with injury issues he could provide some depth if the price is right. If Thomas, Kelly, and Davis can produce this year I think JC AND Zorn's experience from last year can really help the offense, even with an average O-line. Zorn's playcalling has to improve. A suggestion.....THROW DOWN FIELD!!!!

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | April 28, 2009 6:32 AM | Report abuse

Actually, I blew my own list.

Posted by P1Funk

That's what she said.

Posted by: TheCork | April 28, 2009 6:40 AM | Report abuse

You could have at least come up with something snarky and clever. Or at least something that vaguely resembles either.

PS. Why do my posts keep coming up in duplicate? I'm irritated by it so I can't imagine what it's doing to you guys.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 27, 2009 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Hey, scamp, we're wondering the same thing two.

Hey, scamp, we're wondering the same thing two.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 28, 2009 6:55 AM | Report abuse

I just don't get it. The article on Brain O was good until the end. Once again bring up Sanchez. That boat has gone move on and focus on the kid that here.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | April 28, 2009 7:08 AM | Report abuse

I suppose we can all be positive until the season starts ... but as one of the regulars here recounted. I've been spoiled, George Allen and his "winning is now" philosophy ... he gave us one Superbowl which was the last great effort of his Rams defense combined with the potent Lombardi offense, then came a lull with Pardee but not a bad lull mind you ... and then to everyone's surprise came Joe Jackson Gibbs and suddenly people feared playing the Redskins! How could that be! They feared coming to RFK to hear the bleachers creak as if they would collapse, they hated our marching song and our cheerleaders weren't sexy distractions they were in their face! We had the best house, the best home stadium for any team in any sport in the entire world! We were it! Allen started it, telling us how to and when to cheer, and Gibbs finished it in his quiet way avenging us against evil perpetrators from nearby "Grecian" city states like Philadelphia and the always hated Dallas Cowboys. Hah! America's team! We're in DC the center of the known Universe. Who cares about a dry gulch like Dallas. Sigh ...

And now to sink to the lowly depths to be owned by the evil twin of the Hunchback of Notre Dame. It defies all description. It racks us with tortuous pain ... it brings out the worst in us. We deserve better ... yet in our hearts we know he (Snidely) is just one of us who should know better than to meddle in things only the true wizards of the game know ... from years of experience gleaned from losing and winning. We are now the laughable Cardinals, the ridiculous Saints, the trod upon Patriots, among the lowliest dwellers of the dungeon of losers dregs. All because of Snidely the Owl of Woodward High.

Posted by: periculum | April 27, 2009 11:27 PM | Report abuse

Peri, this is so much more enjoyable to read than the "6th grader go mow the lawn" bs that you were throwing out in the last couple days. This piece is well-written, and adds to our blog. Please stay positive.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 28, 2009 7:08 AM | Report abuse

GO PULL FOR ANOTHER TEAM!!!!
Posted by: leevi98 | April 27, 2009

Stooopid kid you don't know how to "root for a team". Are you rooting for the Nats or are you traitorous Orioles fan! Orioles, Balmer fan I knew it. You root for a loser until they become a winner. You follow every game, every tidbit of news hoping against hope that winning will ensue! Again GO TO BED KID YOU BOTHER ME! Eat snipes and grass from the lawn. Go play in traffic. You are ridiculously a pathetic piece of driftwood floating in the flotsam of prozac popping net.knobs. Do something useful with your head besides using it as a hat rack. Shut your brain up, stick a q-tip in it!

Posted by: periculum | April 27, 2009 11:34 PM | Report abuse

such as the above.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 28, 2009 7:10 AM | Report abuse

George Allen = winning is now
RI = whining is now

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 28, 2009 7:30 AM | Report abuse

"1. 4th best D + Haynesworth for Evans, Orakpo for J. Taylor, and Barnes for Springs.
2. 6th best running attack + Dockery
3. Campbell in the same system for first time in his career.
4. Improvement of last season's draftees - currently 9 players.
5. Increased sacks and turnovers will help offense score more points.
6. The Giants lost Spagnuolo, Burress, and Ward
7. The Cowboys and Eagles suck.
Posted by: pabrian2003"

Hmmmm...

1. Orakpo is definitely an upgrade, but losing Springs is worrisome.
2. Dockery helps, but the O-line could easily spring a leak somewhere else. It's the pass attack that has to improve.
3. It's not so much Campbell's maturity that's the issue. It's whether the Skins can make the transition to Zorn's preferred offense. They didn't last year.
4. You only need one or two of last year's group to improve. Figure Kareem Moore to progress and Horton to fall back some. The biggest help would be if one of those WRs could step up as an end zone threat...
5. TOs are key to the whole season. The defense may have been fourth-rated, but they created few turnovers. That's partly why the offense had to play so conservative, avoiding INTs at all costs.
6. Ward's no loss to the Jints, and Spagnuolo's influence is yet to be determined, but the loss of Burress could haunt them all season.
7. No, those are both good clubs. Just imagine Plax Burress in Dallas and you see the potential problem for us. The Skins still don't have anybody who can defend that guy.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 28, 2009 7:32 AM | Report abuse

1. Orakpo is definitely an upgrade, but losing Springs is worrisome.
2. Dockery helps, but the O-line could easily spring a leak somewhere else. It's the pass attack that has to improve.
3. It's not so much Campbell's maturity that's the issue. It's whether the Skins can make the transition to Zorn's preferred offense. They didn't last year.
4. You only need one or two of last year's group to improve. Figure Kareem Moore to progress and Horton to fall back some. The biggest help would be if one of those WRs could step up as an end zone threat...
5. TOs are key to the whole season. The defense may have been fourth-rated, but they created few turnovers. That's partly why the offense had to play so conservative, avoiding INTs at all costs.
6. Ward's no loss to the Jints, and Spagnuolo's influence is yet to be determined, but the loss of Burress could haunt them all season.
7. No, those are both good clubs. Just imagine Plax Burress in Dallas and you see the potential problem for us. The Skins still don't have anybody who can defend that guy.


Posted by: Samson151 ****

Well said.

I'd add that the Giants drafted a tall athletic WR to replaces Burress too.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | April 28, 2009 7:44 AM | Report abuse

... Please stay positive.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 28, 2009 7:08 AM

Also please be concise and infrequent. It is hard to navigate the blog when there is a big pile of dookie everwhere you click.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 28, 2009 7:50 AM | Report abuse

(repost--I really have to work today: the paperwork is knee deep.)

I don't see how folks say, "The FO sucks," in one breath, then breathes in disbelief when it engages in behavior that, well, sucks.

The realist in me knew the skins wouldn't draft the lineman the bloggas craved and the adult in me moved on from that truth to see the team as a whole.

And from where I sit, the whole team doesn't look that bad, despite the fact that everyone has a beef about what wasn't done.

The vast majority of the posts read like a glasses half empty.

If folks take into account all the FO moves from the start of free agency to the present moment, they'd see a stud d-tackle, a promising rookie slb, a stud corner signed, a decent linebacker named Thomas, a good punter, some resigned veteren ends, a starting young left guard, some speedy special teamers, a couple of young drafted linebackers, and the future not endangered in a dumb move to add a 22 year old photo-genic Trojan quarterback.

And as the calender turns, several bad contracts draw closer to being off the books.

And out of the undrafted players two young linemen some claim actually have promise. But because they weren't drafted, everyone sees things half full.

Things are not as bad as folks make them out to be.

Y'all need to chill.

It's the off-season for everybody and all the doom and gloom will drive ya nuts.

Here, try this grappa I made the old fashioned way.

(INSERT image of Moe pouring grape-colored wine into various tilted wine glasses. Smiles abound. Someone suggests trolling a cowboys' blog for fun and drunken revelry ensues.)

See?

Things are not as bad as y'all are making them out to be.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 28, 2009 7:53 AM | Report abuse

...I was catching up all the way into last night.. whoops!

Nice one-liners & quips, peeps. Keep up the good work!

I enjoy both sides of Peri's ribbings. Please don't stop either!! About the only thing that really frosts me are antagonizing Non-Skins & SIGN CHRIS COOLEY! (I still think we should have traded him!! - - we could have gotten the extra pics for once).

I like PaBrian's optimism, even if I don't necessarily share all of it. I'm not actually afraid of any receiver as long as we let Landry make 'em pay. Remember how they took care of TO a few seasons back. Rattle them & they won't be the deciding factor.

I would hope that the FO has some additional ideas about O Line FA's. It would make sense the way they drafted (and this seemed to be at least a sensible draft). Hopefully the two Maryland guys can gel, the whole being better than the sum of parts...

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 28, 2009 8:00 AM | Report abuse

whoops - I guess it's three, isn't it?

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 28, 2009 8:01 AM | Report abuse

fred,

Don't incourage him.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 28, 2009 8:02 AM | Report abuse

3. It's not so much Campbell's maturity that's the issue. It's whether the Skins can make the transition to Zorn's preferred offense. They didn't last year.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 28, 2009 7:32 AM

Hmmm ... There may be a system that Campbell is sympatico with but it ain't the WCO. He can't make quick decisions, his footwork is bad so he can't do play action and he can't quick release short accurate passes. There was a reason why the Skins FO cozied up to Cutler and the San man.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 28, 2009 8:02 AM | Report abuse

I'm not sure I want to drink anything Moe was crushing with his feet!!! Wait, how 'old fashioned' did you mean??!

Do any locals have experience watching the MD boys play line? I guess there have been some successful QB's outta there in the last few years. Were the O-Lines a major contributor to that?

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 28, 2009 8:05 AM | Report abuse

Ok, it's two. The headline threw me... lol.

....duuurrrrr.....maps...such as...
...gay marriage ban... durrrr.....

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 28, 2009 8:09 AM | Report abuse

"TheTruth11

But why draft sanchez when you signed Chase Daniel as a free agent. A guy that was actually in the Heisman hype his last two years and is an all american. He was overshadowed by the many good QB's in his conference, McCoy, A&M's QB, Kansas State QB, Iowa and Oaklahoma all have good QB's but this guy is the real deal and he cost nothing. So I feel much better having him and Colt Brennan backing up JC so if he gets hurt or leaves next year we have two to build on and replace him. But to win the starter spot I think they have to beat him out, not just be more popular than he is with the fans. They guy on the bench whos last pass was a good one will always look like a better alternative when the starter struggles. Right now if you bench campbell and CB struggles you will be calling for Daniel.

Posted by: ged0386"

Well 1) I'm glad we didn't draft Sanchez, 2) Colt Brennan is NOT the answer, at all. Dude is awful. 3) I like the Chase Daniel signing, as I've already said, but no I don't think he'll ever be a starter in the league. I think he has more potential than Brennan, but I would never be calling for him to be our starting QB next year.


just because I recognize that JC isn't the guy, doesn't mean I want our 18th string QB to start. I'm kinda in that grey area where I use common sense when judging our QB, but also common sense when judging our team. It would've been pretty backwards to trade everything for Sanchez this year, but again, if it meant only losing Orakpo and Barnes, well, I might be up for that using hindsight.

But I wouldn't want a rookie QB starting next year, I'd rather have JC start this year and see what he does with the much-talked-about "second year in the same system". If I had to bet, I would bet our offense won't be improved much at all next year. But we'll hear about how we need to give JC yet another year because next year we'll have a better OL. But then the following year we'll hear about how Malcom Kelly and Devin Thomas just didn't work out and were busts, so we need to find him better WR's. Then five years later we're wondering why this guy never produced more than a slightly above average year.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 28, 2009 8:09 AM | Report abuse

If the defense can live up to its potential the Redskins should have a wicked mean defense. I think Blache might have to be creative with Orakpo but he knows what he's doing and I am sure he will get the most out of him. Signing Haynesworth and drafting a DB both made a tough unit tougher.

On offense, this team has a lot of question marks. A legitimate number two receiver has not emerged. The offensive line is sloth footed and has struggled mightily with 3-4 defenses stocked with blitzing linebackers and hulking nose tackles. At quarterback, Campbell looks good on paper but in reality he is slow in decision making and, even though he has a strong arm, lacks long range accuracy. The offensive play calling became way too predictable in the second half of the season and teams were often guessing right on the type of play to be called. The signing of Dockery will help the interior of the line, but the team still suffers from a lack of quick feet on the perimeter - especially at right tackle.

On special teams, the team signed a veteran punter and drafted a few special teams players for coverage. I think special teams may have improved, but Suisham faded at the end of last season and the team should have considered bringing in an established veteran to compete.

Bottom line, this team has improved on special teams and defense. Talent-wise, they pretty much stayed the same on offense. Hopefully, with a year under his belt, coach Zorn can become more creative with play calling and manage to cover some weaknesses. This team plays in a tough division with some very good defenses and the absence of a high quality line limits what can be done on offense. Perhaps one of the recently drafted receivers or Malcolm Kelly can recover from his knee problems enough to give them a big receiver to catch those quick slants and outs that make up a big part of the west coast offense package. I

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 28, 2009 8:09 AM | Report abuse

Did anyone see Zorn interviewed on day 2? He said Soup is his QB and then immediately threw him under the bus for not making quick decisions.

At least it's gratifying to know they see what we see. While Soup may never get it, you have to admit it's a common symptom of someone trying to learn his system.

Now, if Soup can stop posturing long enough to learn how to play QB in the NFL, we'll be ok, I think. Another second or two from the line would be a tremendous asset for him, but if he keeps dragging the play on, it won't make a difference...

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 28, 2009 8:13 AM | Report abuse

Redskinhead,

Very good evaluation of the team.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 28, 2009 8:15 AM | Report abuse

also I think we can all agree pericu-whatever is just one weird, weird dude.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 28, 2009 8:16 AM | Report abuse

DikShuttle:

'...I'm not sure I want to drink anything Moe was crushing with his feet!!! Wait, how 'old fashioned' did you mean??!'


For you, we have the apple-flavored room temperature Boone's Farm purchased at the local foriegner owned convience store in the wrong part of town.

And to make things special, I'll let you sip it from a brown paper bag they gave me as I left the store.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 28, 2009 8:20 AM | Report abuse

I'd put Latin Pop Music Icons ahead of regular and Larry Michaels as 1B but otherwise I like the list.

Posted by: Gweez | April 28, 2009 8:22 AM | Report abuse

lol,Moe! Can I wear my greasy gloves with the fingers worn out?? I'm not shavin' either!

I heard the reasons the Bums drink that stuff is 'cause when you're in lockdown, you can drink water to bring back the buzz and avoid the DTs. ew.

y lol @ Truth. Agreed. But why the hatin' on mah man ColtBrennanColtBrennanColtBrennan? He's a good bench warmer. I think he'll do well if called upon.

@ Weezer: Which latin pop star(s)? I used to work for Chayanne. And what list? Larry Michael is a tool.

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 28, 2009 8:30 AM | Report abuse

Nice story about Antonio Dixon. Rooting for this kid already.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/2007-11-22-4002863765_x.htm

Posted by: LarryBud | April 27, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Unfortunately, with Haynesworth, Griffin, Golston, Montgomery and maybe Alexander (depending on what position they count him as playing) in front of him, Dixon is going to have a very difficult time making the team as a D-tackle. Barring an injury, the practice squad may be all he can hope for.

Posted by: rbpalmer | April 28, 2009 8:35 AM | Report abuse

Colt Brennan is awful.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 28, 2009 8:40 AM | Report abuse

If Zorn wants to get more out of this offense he should try the following. Of course, I offer these with the assumption we will enter the season with JC at QB.

-Use the "unbalanced line" formation that the Ravens use from time to time. This masks weaknesses on the offensive line by overloading one side with o-linemen. I would run this heavy to the right side, which should help mask issues at right tackle.

-JC has great mobility and it is far under-utilized. The team should have more designed rollouts, bootlegs and QB keepers in their repertoire. The great thing about this strategy is it also works for Brennan who is another mobile QB.

-Use motion. Maybe the Saunders' offense had too much movement before the snap, but motion is effective in keeping the Redksins' smallish receivers from getting crunched on the line with bump and run coverage. Also, it can help the QB identify man versus zone coverage.

-Since Randal El has prior QB experience I would run at least five plays every game with him behind center in the so called Wildcat formation made popular by Miami last year. He would run, pass and even be part of a reverse / reverse option play.

-Run Jumbo packages more often. There's nothing wrong with telling the other team you want to play smash mouth. Letting the big guys upfront unload on defenses can help wear down defenses and make them easier to run against in the second half (note that this is exactly what the Ravens did to the Redskins in their game last year. By the end of the game, Washington's defense was out of gas and the Ravens were running at will).

-Use play action. The Redskins' running attack was the most feared aspect of their game plan last year. It only makes sense to make use of that fact through play action passes. If nothing else, it slows those blitzing defenders just a fraction of a second, and sometimes that's the difference between a fifty yard strike and a sack.

-Go for the deep strike. Even if JC hits the receiver on one out of every five deep balls, that one ball can be a touchdown. Just keep throwing them.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 28, 2009 8:56 AM | Report abuse

'...Colt Brennan is awful....'


Over-rated, not awful.

And what will the Cult O' Colt do if Chase Daniels proves to be more pro and back up ready.

Both played in what folks deem to be gimmicky colleges offenses, but Daniels faced all-around better competition.

Daniels v. Brennan: no, it's not a battle of speedy, tough Irish welterweights, just two guys fighting for a job to hold a clipboard.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 28, 2009 8:56 AM | Report abuse

But we'll hear about how we need to give JC yet another year because next year we'll have a better OL. But then the following year we'll hear about how Malcom Kelly and Devin Thomas just didn't work out and were busts, so we need to find him better WR's. Then five years later we're wondering why this guy never produced more than a slightly above average year.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 28, 2009 8:09 AM | Report abuse

I don't think we'll hear anything about JC needing another year (after this coming year) to prove how good he can be in this league, because we all know that if he doesn't produce this year, he's gone. I have been one of the posters on this blog preaching patience with JC, that he has improved markedly, that it takes time to develop quarterbacks, that there are issues with the 'Skins' O-line and receivers, and so forth. I still believe those things, but I also believe that what we'll see from JC this coming season is pretty much what we can expect in the future, and if it isn't enough to win a Super Bowl with, then the Redskins will, and should, find another QB.

Posted by: rbpalmer | April 28, 2009 9:00 AM | Report abuse

If JC doesn't produce this year, he's done and Zorn will be, too.

Posted by: Original_etrod | April 28, 2009 9:08 AM | Report abuse

If JC doesn't produce this year, he's done and Zorn will be, too.

Posted by: Original_etrod | April 28, 2009 9:08 AM | Report abuse

So is Todd Collins out of here then? Chase and Colt, 2 young QBs to groom. Both threw a boat load of TDs. My only thing with them is their size. You gotta be somewhat tall and bit beefy to withstand a crushing blow from these monsters on defense. Gotta be able to see over your linemen too.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 28, 2009 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Let's see...workmanlike QB who needs to find a way to work around a none-too-stable O line..

When all else fails, go to the guru. Ask youself, WWPD? (What would Parcells do). The answer is the wildcat offense. Learn it. Live it.

Posted by: InRealAmerica | April 28, 2009 9:21 AM | Report abuse

Let's see...workmanlike QB who needs to find a way to work around a none-too-stable O line..

When all else fails, go to the guru. Ask youself, WWPD? (What would Parcells do). The answer is the wildcat offense. Learn it. Live it.

Posted by: InRealAmerica | April 28, 2009 9:21 AM | Report abuse

So is Todd Collins out of here then? Chase and Colt, 2 young QBs to groom. Both threw a boat load of TDs. My only thing with them is their size. You gotta be somewhat tall and bit beefy to withstand a crushing blow from these monsters on defense. Gotta be able to see over your linemen too.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 28, 2009 9:09 AM | Report abuse

My guess is that at best, Daniel ends up on the Practice Squad and at worst, he's training camp fodder.

Posted by: Original_etrod | April 28, 2009 9:35 AM | Report abuse

-Use play action. The Redskins' running attack was the most feared aspect of their game plan last year. It only makes sense to make use of that fact through play action passes. If nothing else, it slows those blitzing defenders just a fraction of a second, and sometimes that's the difference between a fifty yard strike and a sack.

-Go for the deep strike. Even if JC hits the receiver on one out of every five deep balls, that one ball can be a touchdown. Just keep throwing them.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 28, 2009 8:56 AM

Play action is hard for Campbell to do. He hasn't mastered the footwork part. He prefers shogun but that reduces your options. Deep strikes are tough also when (a) Santana, the only deep threat, is double covered and (b) Campbell's eyes lock on his target, telegraphing to the DBs where the pass is going.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 28, 2009 9:35 AM | Report abuse

-Go for the deep strike. Even if JC hits the receiver on one out of every five deep balls, that one ball can be a touchdown. Just keep throwing them.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 28, 2009 8:56 AM | Report abuse

And maybe a second one is pass interference. That makes 2 big plays in each game.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 28, 2009 9:41 AM | Report abuse

As much as everyone is up in arms about the skins not taking an offensive lineman in the draft, and I count myself in that group, you may want to consider what Bill Polian said yesterday on a radio show. He said that this draft was "extremely thin" on Offensive lineman eventhough 4 tackles were taken so high. Next year's draft promises to be signicantly better than this year's. I have read plenty on these posts about quality linemen available at various stages of this draft, but perhaps that wasn't really the case. You may have a guy who is the fifth best tackle this year, but in a good year maybe the 20th best. Certainly, I am not qualified to comment on whether or not this was a quality year for O linemen, but it's hard to argue with a guy like Bill Polian.

Posted by: CTSkins | April 28, 2009 9:42 AM | Report abuse

'..So is Todd Collins out of here then?'


Nope.

He's one heck of an insurance policy, though.

If Campbell has a dynamite season, yeah, then you might let Collins move on next year.

But if Campbell doesn't show marked improvement this season, you keep Collins around to play starting quarterback in 2010 while next year's drafted qb learns the ropes for a year.

It's a win-win situation.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 28, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Been watching the game highlights on nfl.com because my boss isn't in...

Down the stretch it seemed like every big pass play had a certain #27 sprinting like crazy to make a TD saving tackle.

Hopefully this Barnes kid can help out sooner rather than later.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 28, 2009 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Play action is hard for Campbell to do. He hasn't mastered the footwork part. He prefers shogun but that reduces your options. Deep strikes are tough also when (a) Santana, the only deep threat, is double covered and (b) Campbell's eyes lock on his target, telegraphing to the DBs where the pass is going.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 28, 2009 9:35 AM | Report abuse
This is where we need DThomas to step up and be a second deep threat.

And posssibly Marko Mitchell. I have heard that he has 4.3 speed in 40, but he ran a 4.49 at the combine. That is .01 slower than Maclin. But he is not as shifty as Maclin.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 28, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Collins will be 38 next year. This is going to be his last year with the skins and probably in the league. If Campbell leaves next year we will be stuck with Colt or one of the two spread qbs from the big 12 (McCoy or Bradford) Seeing how we cant run every play from the shotgun, Campbell would still be a better option than those three.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 28, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

'...Polian said that this draft was "extremely thin" on Offensive lineman..Next year's draft promises to be signicantly better than this year's....'


If this holds true, our singular advantage is we came out the draft this year without having sacrificed next year's draft by giving up picks.

Having a second and third rounder next year should bring us the center and right guard we need--but if we're lucky, Rhino will improve and Williams will be a keeper.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 28, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

No way Daniels makes the team. He can't even make a 3 step drop because he played in a shotgun his whole career. And anyone who really thinks Colt Brennan can be a starter in the NFL is out of their mind. After Campbell leaves next year, which he most certainly will now, we'll be stuck, spinning our wheels again with no quarterback. Until we start again with a new rook. Give it 5 more years Great!

Posted by: Skins281 | April 28, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

After Campbell leaves next year, which he most certainly will now,

Posted by: Skins281 | April 28, 2009 10:06 AM

Campbell will be a restricted free agent. He's not going anywhere.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 28, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Could everyone please stop pointing at the Dockery signing as a positive thing the front office did to "stabilize the interior of the line". He is a younger player at LG which happened to be the strongest position on the line last year thanks to Kendall. He is a better long-term answer than Kendall because he will play longer which is a positive, but in the short-term we all hope he isn't a drop off from Kendall's play last season. So to pretend that his signing improves our line in anyway over what we had last year where Samuels got hurt, Jansen and Heyer are mediocre, Rabach was penalty prone and flat-out got embarrassed in several games, and Randy Thomas' play fell off a cliff it declined so rapidly is to just ignore reality. We are younger at LG for the future, but it was the one position on our line last year we got solid play from, the rest of the same bad line is a year older and unchanged with the only new pieces being a 410 pound reclamation project that has been out of football for 2 seasons and some undrafted rookies of the scrap heap. Once again this season we will waste a probably top 3 defense with an utterly feeble offense.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 28, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

I am stoked we have all 7 picks for next year. We can snag a starting OL in the first and second if the draft next year is deeper in talent for those positions. I am still pulling for Rhino and Big Mike to make the team and provide depth.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 28, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

8. Edwin Williams, C Maryland 6-2, 308
A durable leader who could be a starter in the right system, he’ll plow over people in the running game, won’t get hurt, and will work his tail off to be good. He’s the type of player and person you want in the middle of your line, but he’s limited in pass protection and lacks the quickness and athleticism to be more than a block of granite on the inside. While he might get overdrafted on high character, his limitations will show up quickly if he has to deal with any above-average NFL interior pass rusher.
http://cfn.scout.com/2/860536.html

Posted by: ga8085 | April 28, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

And posssibly Marko Mitchell. I have heard that he has 4.3 speed in 40, but he ran a 4.49 at the combine. That is .01 slower than Maclin. But he is not as shifty as Maclin.
===================================

Marko's problem is the faster he runs the more balls bounce off his hands ... sometimes that's a hard problem to fix, its why you dont see many Olympic sprinters as wideouts.

I think Colt Brennan does have a shot at being a starter ... definitely a decent backup... we'll know better this year though, I hear theyre gonna test him more against 1st team Ds in the preseason.

Posted by: mac2j | April 28, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

"Once again this season we will waste a probably top 3 defense with an utterly feeble offense"

zj, given your ability to see into the future, the local lottery up here has the Megabucks drawing tonight at 181 million dollars, can you please get me the correct numbers that will get picked??

Thanks....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 28, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

80 Washington
Kevin Barnes, CB Maryland 6-0, 185
While he’s not going to tackle anyone, he’s a great athlete who can cut on a dime and has enough speed to handle the more talented, athletic receivers. He’s not bulky and he’s not all that strong, but he’s tall and plays bigger with a tremendous vertical leap. Because of his size and frame, or his lack of it, he’ll have problems staying healthy. He got hurt last year with a shoulder injury and was knocked out halfway through the year. While he impressed everyone with his post-season workouts, he needs refinement on his overall technique and he’ll have to be in a position where he doesn’t have to be physical.
CFN Value Rank: Third Round CFN Position Rank: 9
http://cfn.scout.com/2/859712.html

Posted by: ga8085 | April 28, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Once again this season we will waste a probably top 3 defense with an utterly feeble offense.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 28, 2009 10:10 AM

Jack,

Were you the guy they wrote that song about? You know, the one that goes

Home, home on the range
Where seldom is heard a discouraging word...

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 28, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Could everyone please stop pointing at the Dockery signing as a positive thing the front office did to "stabilize the interior of the line"


Dockery is not a drop off from Kendall. Do you think he got the big payday in Buffalo by being a scrub? You need to get over the fact that we did not draft any lineman and we have some question marks. Jansen says he is 100% healthy, Heyer is another year better and you figure Rinehart has to improve. You cannot fill all your holes through one draft. They addressed LB and DE this year, next year OL, RB and hopefully not QB

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 28, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

And last but not least, for everyone who is so confident in saying this guy will be a fullback.

221 Washington (from Minnesota)
Eddie Williams, TE Idaho 6-1, 240
While he's not tall and is built like a fullback, he was a special receiver for a team that did absolutely nothing. Even though everyone was keying on him, he still came up with 54 grabs for 687 yards and six scores. Durability is a bit of a concern, but the bigger problem could be a lack of a position. He's not a good enough blocker to be used as a fullback, and he's not a speedster who'll break off many big plays. Even so, he should be a nice short to midrange target.
CFN Value Rank: Free Agent CFN Position Rank: 21
http://cfn.scout.com/2/859719.html

Posted by: ga8085 | April 28, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

ga,

I guess that guy missed the hit where he made the dude fumble and throw up on the sideline.

Theres no question this kid will hit people.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 28, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

"Once again this season we will waste a probably top 3 defense with an utterly feeble offense"

zj, given your ability to see into the future, the local lottery up here has the Megabucks drawing tonight at 181 million dollars, can you please get me the correct numbers that will get picked??

Thanks....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 28, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Bean, its been a continuing theme here since well, Brad Johnson left town thanks to Snyder's mancrush on Jeff George, but specifically 5 out of the last 6 seasons we have had a top defense and can barely sneak into the playoffs a couple of times.....its not like I'm going out on a limb here, but you bet on a wait and see offensive turn around with the core unit on that offense that fell apart last year being a year older and I'll bet on the established mediocrity of JC, the bad hammies of our only two legit receivers, the propensity of our Pro Bowl tight end to disappear in the red zone, the fact that our franchise back is over 2000 carries and has been getting dinged the last few seasons and is backed up a guy who is much more injury prone than he is and has a fumbling problem all playing at the skill positions surrounding an old, injury prone, below average oline and we'll see who comes out on the winning end at the end of the year.

Put it on the board- I say the best this team will do next season is 9-7 thanks to a crappy offense.

your powerball numbers are 121323412suckit

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 28, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Play action is hard for Campbell to do. He hasn't mastered the footwork part. He prefers shogun but that reduces your options. Deep strikes are tough also when (a) Santana, the only deep threat, is double covered and (b) Campbell's eyes lock on his target, telegraphing to the DBs where the pass is going.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 28, 2009 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Moss was often hi-lo'd (one high, one low) as you mentioned. Cooley, as reliable as he is, doesn't get much separation, and was taken out too often by a linebacker.

Campbell didn't telegraph as much as you think. He certainly went through his reads, even going from one side of the field to the other on a number of occasions.

ARE couldn't get open anywhere except the middle of the field. He was useless as a downfield target as he is easily jammable, slow, and very short. Of course, the middle is Cooley's territory.

And Campbell didn't trust Thomas or Kelly on option routes. You could see him double pump to those guys a lot. I don't blame him with how wild Thomas was running his routes.

When Campbell did lock on was when Jansen was getting pushed into him. He had to make a throw or take a sack.

Posted by: jesuisunpizza | April 28, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Colt Brennan is awful.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 28, 2009 8:40 AM

Based on what?

Posted by: skinfanman | April 28, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

'...He can't even make a 3 step drop because he played in a shotgun his whole career....'

Big Ben played most of the super bowl in the shotgun and won.

And your point is....?

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 28, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

zj,

So drafting one or two O-linmen this year would have helped all the problems you just listed I doubt it.

In the first few Gibbs years the O-Line wasn't the problem, the O-Line has only been a problem for the last two years.

The rookie receivers from last year will be much better this year and contribute, just like most second year receivers do.

The Portis problem is on the coaching staff, they need to split the carries more. If they don't have cofidence in Betts they need to fine someone else.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 28, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

zj, I'm going to wait and reserve judgement on the offense until I see what they can do this upcoming season......you know, cart before the horse type of stuff...

Lets say that being in the same system for 2 years is a huge boost to JC, and the passing game takes off.....what then??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 28, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Moe

I believe his point is that Spread qbs are ill equipped to run pro style offenses in the NFL.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 28, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

ga,

I guess that guy missed the hit where he made the dude fumble and throw up on the sideline.

Theres no question this kid will hit people.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 28, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

One hit doesn't automatically mean he's a good tackling corner. There's been kickers that have delivered big hits on return men, doesn't mean you put them back at safety thinking they'll be the next Steve Atwater. lol

Posted by: ga8085 | April 28, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Greg,

That can't happen what are you thinking, the offense is going to suck this year. If the blog whiners say it's so, it's so.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 28, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

'...ARE couldn't get open anywhere except the middle of the field. He was useless as a downfield target as he is easily jammable, slow, and very short. Of course, the middle is Cooley's territory....'

I'll say it because everyone else is nice: Randle El has been a major disappointment. Give Thomas his spot as he hasn't made himself invaluable to the offense.

'Nuff said.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 28, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

for the passing game to take off he would need to have more than 2 seconds to throw or be good at reading the blitz make quick decisions and get rid of the ball to hot reads, neither of which will happen. The book is out on how to beat us for teams with good defenses, double Moss, blitz the heck out of JC and you're good. CP if healthy will get his yards and a TD maybe but that's about it. so you tell me, how is that going to be any different if the same oline that couldn't stop the jailbreak to the QB last year, is a year older and still in place this year?

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 28, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Flound, I must have the swing flu, in writing what I did....I'm an idiot....there is no way that they can improve...its SIMPLY IMPOSSIBLE.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 28, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

"I am stoked we have all 7 picks for next year. We can snag a starting OL in the first and second if the draft next year is deeper in talent for those positions. I am still pulling for Rhino and Big Mike to make the team and provide depth.

Posted by: FedorEm "

I'd feel much more comfortable if we didn't have 361 days until the 2010 NFL Draft. You really think we'll go that long without trading at least one conditional pick?

Also, I'm gonna say it now, Chase Daniel > Colt Brennan. But neither is ready to start, and as someone said, TC will be gone next year and if JC is gone next year, too, I think we'll all be wishing we had drafted a QB this year.

If it is down to Colt McCoy/Sam Bradford, Colt Brennan, or Chase Daniel for our STARTING QB, then we're in trouble. They might all be ready to battle for 2nd string, but starting.....ouch. And then if Orakpo and Barnes turn out to be busts, which isn't unlikely considering who drafted them, maybe the Sanchez deal would've been better....


hey, we'll have to wait and see I guess.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 28, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

I'll wait and see if he can't tackle, Gray will teach him or he won't play.

Although there have been some really good CB's who didn't tackle very well.

Sounds like his coverage and ball skills are real good.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 28, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Truth

What makes you think that Sanchez will be better than any of the QBs you mentioned?

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 28, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

zj, for starters, we learned that R. Thomas was injured, and played through it. He's recently been quoted as saying that he's feeling better than he has in years, and is lifting more than he has in years.

Based on this, could there be an improvement in Randy Thomas's play next year.

Just yes, or no, no bullstuff....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 28, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

zj,

There was another team last year that couldn't stop there QB from getting sacked, he was sacked 48 times that team won the SB I think.

The way to stop the Skins that you described worked last year, not this year the young receivers will be fine and on the filed making plays.

The O-Line broke down near the end of the year, the first 8 games they were fine. the backups are better this year and you don't know for sure that people will get hurt this year.

Why don't you let them play a game before you make your judgments, or if it's that painful for you go root for a team you think does it right.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 28, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

I'll wait and see if he can't tackle, Gray will teach him or he won't play.

Although there have been some really good CB's who didn't tackle very well.

Sounds like his coverage and ball skills are real good.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 28, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

True, if he can provide solid coverage as a nickel back, then his tackling won't be much of an issue.

Posted by: ga8085 | April 28, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

I am stoked we have all 7 picks for next year. We can snag a starting OL in the first and second if the draft next year is deeper in talent for those positions. I am still pulling for Rhino and Big Mike to make the team and provide depth.

Posted by: FedorEm

We don't have the 6th rounder (Jason taylor) but that will just save us the embarassment of taking another TE.

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 28, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

"Colt Brennan is awful.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 28, 2009 8:40 AM

Based on what?

Posted by: skinfanman |"

Based on watching Colt Brennan play football?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 28, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Based on watching Colt Brennan play football?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 28, 2009 10:44 AM |

Truth,

That had me LMAO

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 28, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

"Bean, its been a continuing theme here since well, Brad Johnson left town thanks to Snyder's mancrush on Jeff George, but specifically 5 out of the last 6 seasons we have had a top defense and can barely sneak into the playoffs a couple of times.....its not like I'm going out on a limb here, but you bet on a wait and see offensive turn around with the core unit on that offense that fell apart last year being a year older and I'll bet on the established mediocrity of JC, the bad hammies of our only two legit receivers, the propensity of our Pro Bowl tight end to disappear in the red zone, the fact that our franchise back is over 2000 carries and has been getting dinged the last few seasons and is backed up a guy who is much more injury prone than he is and has a fumbling problem all playing at the skill positions surrounding an old, injury prone, below average oline and we'll see who comes out on the winning end at the end of the year.


Put it on the board- I say the best this team will do next season is 9-7 thanks to a crappy offense."

-----------------------------------
Why so negative? Again regarding the line, yes most of us would've liked to see at least one linemen drafted, but it isn't like when they start OTA's next week there are only going to be seven OL in camp. They've made additions with FA signings, although lowest possible tier, they now have some guys to possibly add to the roster for much needed depth."The line ain't that bad!"

I understand your concerns, but they're past concerns. Just becasue it happened before doedn't mean it'll happen again.

It takes a lot of luck to succeed in the NFL. Maybe they'll get lucky and won't have hobbled WRs, maybe JC drastically improves his play, maybe the OL will stay relatively healthy all season and if they don't they'll have competent back-ups that won't be much of a drop off.

And I know, "If you don't know your history blah, blah, blah", but that Jeff George stuff was the '99-'00 season, NINE years ago.

You must let that go now.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 28, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

JC will throw more than 13 td this year. He has to. My guess is 21td 3400 yrds 3 rushing tds 12 ints. Why not? Those are reasonable predictions.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 28, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Way to speak the truth Red.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 28, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

red, see thats just the thing, how illogical is it to be hanging onto the signing of Jeff George?? That's just laughable.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 28, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Offensive Tackle
Mark Tauscher/UFA
Jon Runyan/UFA
Jonas Jennings/UFA
Tyson Clabo/RFA/Atlanta Falcons

These are the best OT available. I think Clabo is the best of the bunch factoring in age, but he's restricted. Watching him play in Atl. he was solid.

Posted by: ga8085 | April 28, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Big Ben played most of the super bowl in the shotgun and won.

And your point is....?

Posted by: MistaMoe

Is there a site that tracks how many snaps QB's take in a formation? Seems to me that guys like Big Ben, Brady, Peyton, and Romo spend a lot of time in the shotgun.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 28, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

meant training camp - that isn't until JULY!

take your foot off the panic accelerator.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 28, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

"Truth

What makes you think that Sanchez will be better than any of the QBs you mentioned?

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer"

Well 1, it doesn't matter if Sanchez is better than Collins. Nothing good comes out of Todd Collins being our starting QB in two years. That would be bad just because, TC ain't gonna win the Superbowl and he'll probably retire in 3 or 4 years.

2, it doesn't matter if Sanchez is better than JC. In this scenario, I was saying IF Campbell is gone after this year.

3, Chase Daniel and Colt Brennan? Come on. There was a lot of busted hype on that Hawaii team. They were supposed to have NFL wide receivers, one or two NFL ready offensive linemen, and a couple NFL ready defensive players as well. Now I know what you're gonna say "If he can do all that without great help, imagine what he can do with help." But no. That whole team was nothing but overrated hype in a god awful conference. They're just really bad. Colt has a noodle arm. And even in preseason when he "looked great" apparently, I never saw it. And Chase Daniel, I think he has potential, but right now I'd have to say that yes, Sanchez will be a better pro than Daniel.


As for Bradford/McCoy, who knows. But would you rather have them starting fresh out the gates or have a guy like Sanchez with one year experience in the system?

And this is all speculation, JC could turn into Brady next year for all we know.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 28, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Yoder,

Brady plays in it the most I believe, works for him. They do alot of handoffs out of that formation and fake handoffs.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 28, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

I am stoked we have all 7 picks for next year. We can snag a starting OL in the first and second if the draft next year is deeper in talent for those positions. I am still pulling for Rhino and Big Mike to make the team and provide depth.

Posted by: FedorEm

We don't have the 6th rounder (Jason taylor) but that will just save us the embarassment of taking another TE.

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 28, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

that's pretty darn funny rypien......

Posted by: dadanimal | April 28, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

'...Seems to me that guys like Big Ben, Brady, Peyton, and Romo spend a lot of time in the shotgun....'


The NFL Final four was four teams with quarterbacks who spent their time in shot gun throwing to 3/4 wide out sets.

This is why I don't get the, "Spread" guys can't play argument: most pro team use 'spread-like' strategies today.

Give me a guy with a strong arm, who makes quick decisions, and is accurate.

Plus, if spread guys can't play the pro game, the following guys won't get drafted next year:

Tim Tebow
Colt McCoy
Sam Bradford


Posted by: MistaMoe | April 28, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

How much cap space do the Skins have after setting aside money for the rookie pool?

any help out there on this one.

Posted by: peteywheatstraw | April 28, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Flounder,

They say shotgun is the easiest formation to play from as a QB (easier than the rest is a better way to put it). Just wondering if there is any correlation between the best QB's in the league and what formation they take the most snaps in. I know there's a million other variables, but the success of the shotgun might lead to more wildcat/progressive offenses.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 28, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

LaVar Arrington, the Newest Jerry McGuire and Drew Rosenhaus. He's an Agent.......

http://www.buffalonews.com/452/story/653795.html

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 28, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

No way Daniels makes the team. He can't even make a 3 step drop because he played in a shotgun his whole career. And anyone who really thinks Colt Brennan can be a starter in the NFL is out of their mind. After Campbell leaves next year, which he most certainly will now, we'll be stuck, spinning our wheels again with no quarterback. Until we start again with a new rook. Give it 5 more years Great!

Posted by: Skins281 | April 28, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse
Even fred Astaire could teach him the 3-step.

Or how about that old QB coach, Guy Lombardi... a 1 and-a 2 and-a 3!

Posted by: frediefritz | April 28, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

If Vinny keeps up with this drafting best player of the board BS, we will never draft an O-Lineman. He will always have an excuse to draft a WR, TE, or QB.

I want the Skins to win more than anything in the world. I think it can be like Major League, with the team and coach vs the front office. But what happens when Samuels and Thomas go down? What about when Heyer has to block Kerney again? This team will fall apart mid-season just like last year, because no steps have been taken to remedy the biggest deficit.

Posted by: Salinas1 | April 28, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

RED DMV - You can now talk about anything you want.

It's open season. The Wild Wild West.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 28, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Sorry I forgot about the 6th rounder we squandered for JTaylor. We we got 6 picks as of now. 1-5 and 7th. 362 more days till the 2010 draft. Well we got a playoff season ahead so I will look forward to that first.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 28, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

How much cap space do the Skins have after setting aside money for the rookie pool?

any help out there on this one.

Posted by: peteywheatstraw | April 28, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

I just checked on this one, the official NFL League total is $2

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 28, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Salinas,

The best GM's in football use the BPA to draft, I posted an article from Bill Polian a couple weeks ago about it. He said that drafting for need is a stupid philosophy.

When you draft for need you reach for players who don't workout.

The Colts where beaten up by the so called experts for drafting Adai when the had Edge, but Polian said he was the best player on there board. how has that worked for them?

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 28, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Serious question: Why didn't we sign an UDFA kicker to compete with Baby Leg?

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 28, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Moe

Any decent qb can operate out of the shotgun. But with spread qbs its all they do. The reason why the argument that spread qbs cant play is because none has succeeded in the NFL. Can you name the last successful qb that played for Texas tech, Texas, Oklahoma or any spread offense? McCoy and Bradford will get drafted next year.I just pray the dont end up here. Tebow is still being projected to be an Hback in the NFL. Vince young has a chance to succeed but its not looking good. The Patriots run the closest thing to a spread offense in the NFL and they are pretty set at qb. McCoy and Bradford will be in the league, I do not think they will be anything more than average.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 28, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Just becasue it happened before doedn't mean it'll happen again.

Maybe they'll get lucky and won't have hobbled WRs, maybe JC drastically improves his play, maybe the OL will stay relatively healthy all season and if they don't they'll have competent back-ups that won't be much of a drop off.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 28, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Riiiiiiight, I'm the one being illogical, thanks for clearing that up....

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 28, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

I don't know what footage you're watching to rip on Colt. What I saw in pre-season last year was nice. Not great. Not starting yet.

But it showed intelligence, accuity, accuracy and gumtion. All traits that no single QB on this team has shown since what, Rypen??!! (talk about years ago...) And that was almost a flash-in-the-pan.

When did he screw the pooch? I missed those clips. Unless you're just overreacting to the 'Cult of Colt' hype, which is understandable.

If he does know the system by the coming season, I wouldn't be too worried about him in the #2, though I would have preferred Leftwich.

Don't know too much about the MD kid, but if he's better than Colt, great.

I can think of some tough little QB's who did well in the NFL.

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 28, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

My issue with the spread is that it weakens the run game tremendously. It also removes play action from your play calling abilities. That leaves the linebackers to get deeper and threaten yuor passing game. I agree with it in a hurry up situation or playing from behind...Other than that it is what it is

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 28, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

zj, for starters, we learned that R. Thomas was injured, and played through it. He's recently been quoted as saying that he's feeling better than he has in years, and is lifting more than he has in years.

Based on this, could there be an improvement in Randy Thomas's play next year.


Still waiting on an answer for this one there chief.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 28, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Chief

They signed Rayner a few weeks ago to compete with Suisham

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 28, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Posted by Mike Florio on April 28, 2009, 11:22 a.m. EDT
A league source tells us that the Steelers will be cutting linebacker Larry Foote.

More details to come after radio spot with Paul Allen of KFAN in Minnesota.

Third paragraph
what do you think. Redskins go after him

Posted by: drumer1972 | April 28, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Steelers Cutting Larry Foote
Posted by Mike Florio on April 28, 2009, 11:22 a.m. EDT

A league source tells us that the Steelers will be cutting linebacker Larry Foote.

More details to come after radio spot with Paul Allen of KFAN in Minnesota.

Third paragraph.

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | April 28, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

If you look at football like monopoly, you're right - you do need to take the best asset at the time it's offered.

But predictions are sketchy at best, aren't they? Some stinkers turn out good (Horton) and some All Stars smell like fish (Schuler).

If you don't do it in the draft, you have to do it somewhere... And we're talking about ONE player here, really - so it's not a stretch to take one Upper Middle pic for need. O Line.

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 28, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

zj, for starters, we learned that R. Thomas was injured, and played through it. He's recently been quoted as saying that he's feeling better than he has in years, and is lifting more than he has in years.

Based on this, could there be an improvement in Randy Thomas's play next year.


Still waiting on an answer for this one there chief.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 28, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Right the declining play of Thomas over the last two years has been related to just one injury of the many he has had over the last 5 years and all of a sudden one little surgery on his neck will return him to the form he played with 3 years ago and has been missing since then at age 34.......do I really need to answer your question? and if you believe that I got some ocean front property in Arizona for ya....

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 28, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

I just checked on this one, the official NFL League total is $2

Posted by: Hail2theChief

Thanks Chief.

$2 million should be enough to sign a starting right tackle and a linebacker that's not a joke like the ones we drafted.

Posted by: peteywheatstraw | April 28, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

4th, open season you say? Hmm... I don't have anything right now.

TheTruth11, sup with those Hornets now, boy? They got mollywopped by fiddy eight to the Nuggets!

I believe you had the Hornets (laugh) and the Blazers (2x laugh - they had to get by LA to get there), right? Wanna revise those huh, son?

Posted by: RedDMV | April 28, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

zj, don't let facts get in your way, Thomas has said that since the surgery, that he's felt better than he has in years, and is lifting more than he has in years.

So yes or no, could his play improve next year.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 28, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Missouri quarterback Chase Daniel?

and Jason Campbell's reaction to the arrival of this free agent?


Posted by: Chia_Pet | April 28, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Redskins should also sign Melvin Fowler to be a backup guard/center. He is a Terp and we could get him for the veteran minimum.

Posted by: peteywheatstraw | April 28, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

its funny how old declining players who are injury prone tend to think they can still do what they used to be able to do yet in reality they're shadows of their former selves. They still compete hard, they work hard, they do their best but they just aren't as good as they think they are. If you guys really believe (like apparently our front office does) that Jansen and Thomas are back to their former selves good for you guys, but history and probability suggests we have a serious problem.....not to mention that Rabach sucked last year too, hopefully Williams is a player and can take over for him....

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 28, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

So no Bean, Thomas can't significantly improve over last year and neither can JJ.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 28, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Right...of course they can't.....mostly because you don't want them too right?? I mean, that would fly in the face of your point.

You're just a glorified sports-guru there chief.....go away.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 28, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Isn't it true that only the top 51 players count against the cap? So we can sign as many minimum salary players as we want, so long as we have a 53 man roster come roster deadline and 45 on game day.

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 28, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

"TheTruth11, sup with those Hornets now, boy? They got mollywopped by fiddy eight to the Nuggets!

I believe you had the Hornets (laugh) and the Blazers (2x laugh - they had to get by LA to get there), right? Wanna revise those huh, son?

Posted by: RedDMV "


I still said the Cavs would win it all, and they will, in decisive fashion.


FACE IT NERDBOY I'M THE TRUTH

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 28, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

JUST BECAUSE ITS NEVER TO EARLY

http://cfn.scout.com/2/856941.html

Posted by: jefferboy | April 28, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Larry Foote just got cut.

Posted by: Gweez | April 28, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

zj, you gotta chill man. It's April still man, relax. Who knows what roster moves would be made between now and then?

Do you think the draft was full of offensive linemen talent? I think it was average at best. After the 2nd (No pick - I know, I know, it's the past, LIG) there appeared to be a major drop off on OL talent. You can't hate on the pick either, they got a physical corner who'll probably challenge Smoot for 3rd CB this year, and hopefully could be the 2nd CB next year if 'Los isn't re-signed.

They don't have the best o-line in the league right now, but they don't have anywhere near the worst. The line could be great this season if they all stay healthy.

I'm a Wizards fan BTW, I know how to be an optimist for health!

Posted by: RedDMV | April 28, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

"If you guys really believe (like apparently our front office does) that Jansen and Thomas are back to their former selves"

Posted by: zjfr2"

He doesn't have to be back to his "former self." He has to be better than he was last season, when he played with a herniated disk in his neck that risked paralysis -- and has since been surgically repaired.

Jansen is most likely done, I won't argue that. Heyer, however, will be in his 3rd season. Expect improvement there, naturally.

It's really not that difficult to comprehend. Bad luck puts the offense in the same position they were in to end last season. Good luck puts the offense in the same position they started out last season.

Posted by: psps23 | April 28, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

'...My issue with the spread is that it weakens the run game tremendously...'

My issue with the running game is that in today's NFL, it's over-rated.

How did the cards comeback in the super bowl--throwin' or runnin'?

How did the stillers win the super bowl--throwin' or runnnin'?

Other than the jints from last year, how many running teams have advanced deep into the playoffs over the past three-four seasons?

The Pats, Colts, Iggles, Chargers all throw.

The Panthers lost a playoff game because they couldn't throw.

It's a passing league, y'all--wake up.

1980s style two tight end grind it out football went the way of the running man and fade hair cuts.

Go 3-4 wide and sling the rock around the field. The running game just keeps things honest.

The power running game is dead--deal with it.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 28, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

JUST BECAUSE ITS NEVER TO EARLY

http://cfn.scout.com/2/856941.html

Posted by: jefferboy

like I said...absolutely filthy. I'd like Eric Berry and Sergio Kindle please.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 28, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Rhinehart and Heyer do still have the potential to improve significantly, and for our sakes I hope the do....

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 28, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

'...Larry Foote just got cut...'


What are we, $2.50 under cap?

Sign him for $1.75 with a chance to earn .25 based on incentives and playing time.

He can get another dime provided he makes the pro bowl or wins defensive MVP.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 28, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

no you don't....you get off on coming on here, and patting yourself on the back, you hope that Thomas and Jansen suck, and that they get JC killed because then you'd be right.....liar...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 28, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

You may be right there, Moe, though it frosts me to admit it.

I do believe that it could be done (win with a running team). But I don't know if anyone coarching or playing in the NFL now knows how to do it.

Just when you think it's completely buried, look for the running game to phoenix from the ashes.

that's right... I just made Phoenix a verb!

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 28, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

I believe Randy Thomas is poised for an excellent season. I think the surgery will help him return to his '05 form.

This will probably be his last good season though.

Randy Thomas, isn't at the top of the list for concerns. There are more pressing issues.

- Jason Campbell and his development.
- The development of the rookies from last year.
- The right tackle position.
- Zorn's playcalling.
- Portis' durability/sharing carries.
- Randy Thomas's health.

In that order.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 28, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

I would move Zorn's play calling to the second spot.

Posted by: dcwun | April 28, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

"You're gonna get banned. And I'm gonna be the one to ban ya.

I just wanted you to know that."--Rypien11

"We're gettin' the band back together"--Elwood Blues

Posted by: TheCork | April 28, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Also I'd like to inform everyone that I plan on doing scouting from Week 1 of NCAA football next year. I will be watching games and picking a couple players on each side of the ball per team to focus on, whether it's OL, QB, WR, whatever.

I will be setting up a blog to do some nonbiased (or is it unbiased?) HARDCORE scouting, only juniors and seniors.

I'll prolly post the link here, or I'll probably forget all about it and never do it. But I do have plans to do it.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 28, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Moe, I wouldn't say the running game is dead. There were several successful teams that ran the ball as much, or more than they throw.

Those Patriots were ranked 6th in rushing YPG, the Giants, Falcons, Panthers, Ravens, and Titans were all playoff teams last year, all ranked in top 10 rushing the ball.

I think it's more important to know, or more like pick your spots to run and throw. The best example is the SB champs, the Steelers. They were 22nd in running the ball and 18th in passing.

No, dead are the days where teams had an indentity or predominantly ran one style of offense or defense.

Balance is the key. Game planning and coaching according to your personnel helps also.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 28, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Flounder:

Then why have other teams drafted linemen while he have drafted only one over the past two years? Are you saying that those teams just get lucky, and it's a total coincidence that the #1 player on their boards happens to be a lineman and then that particular lineman is still around when they pick?

You're saying that it doesn't matter that we have the oldest O-line in football, we still draft a TE next year over a lineman if he is ranked higher by Vinny?

I may not know as much about the game as you, but that just sounds crazy to me. Remember Kerney plowing over Heyer in the playoffs?

Posted by: Salinas1 | April 28, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

"
"You're gonna get banned. And I'm gonna be the one to ban ya.

I just wanted you to know that."--Rypien11

"We're gettin' the band back together"--Elwood Blues

Posted by: TheCork"


"The one time, at band camp..."--American Pie

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 28, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

My issue with the spread is that it weakens the run game tremendously. It also removes play action from your play calling abilities. That leaves the linebackers to get deeper and threaten yuor passing game. I agree with it in a hurry up situation or playing from behind...Other than that it is what it is
Posted by: Hail2theChief

In the years to come, more teams will start using the "Spread" in the NFL. Just like any other offense you need the "correct" players to make the offense click. How many teams last year started experimenting with the "wildcat" formation? The "spread" offense is nothing new, it has just been given a new coat of paint and re-introduced.

With the right personnel, the running attack in the Spread can be very effective. But like any other running attack, you will need a good O-line. Unless of course you can create another Barry Sanders.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | April 28, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

you're right dcwun, actually could make him and Campbell 1A and 1B.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 28, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Bean get it straight, extreme disappointment and anger in our front office for once again ignoring our biggest need heading into the draft after having done the same thing now for 3 years doesn't make me a hater of the Skins and hoping they lose. It makes me a fan that is fed up with his defacto GM and hoping things break our way. But as a realist and someone who watches a lot of football, played football and basketball at the college level, and avidly follows sports I happen to believe that at this point in their careers it would be utterly remarkable if Thomas and Jansen are anything above below average and make it through 16 games.....you happen to never find any fault with any decision made by the skins even though you beat the Oline drum as hard as anyone leading up to the draft now you just accept it and assume everything will be fine. Considering everything hasn't been fine for a long long time in the decision making of this franchise I'm skeptical. I hope that Williams is a player, that Rhinehart improves dramatically, and Heyer continues to improve and they provide us with either starters or competent backups, cause I've been watching the right side of our line decline for 3 years now and its tough to imagine that changing with a neck surgery for Thomas....

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 28, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

One more thing...Vinny DOES draft for need. He said he didn't draft DeSean Jackson because we didn't NEED another small, quick WR, we NEEDED a big red-zone threat.

Posted by: Salinas1 | April 28, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, it was the total ineptitude of the Bills and Lions that made him an FA, and then he decided to take less $ to come here...it's hard to give our FO credit for that one...

Posted by: p1funk

Don't knock it Funk. Remember ,the only draftee who worked out last year was Horton, and he dropped in the 'skins lap because a guy knew a guy and droppedd a dime.

It's when they are pro-active (Jason Taylor, poisoning JC's well water) that the trouble starts.

Posted by: TheCork | April 28, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

red

'...dead are the days where teams had an indentity or predominantly ran one style of offense or defense...'


trudat


Posted by: MistaMoe | April 28, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

The Colts where beaten up by the so called experts for drafting Adai when the had Edge, but Polian said he was the best player on there board. how has that worked for them?

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 28, 2009 11:18 AM


Chris Johnson and the Titans...

Posted by: RedDMV | April 28, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

I live in a very nice place, with a spectacular view of the Pacific Ocean, the western gibraltar, what might be the oldest pier on the CA coast and all of its flora and fauna.

But I am also a hard core, never say die Redskins fan. In all the years I have followed this team I have never seen the team managed so cavalierly as it has been by Dan, the Snidely Owl, Snyder. Its abhorrent.

Posted by: PERICULUM

It's like I have a Twin!!!

Posted by: TheCork | April 28, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

BREAKING NEWS

Spector switching parties. That dude has been acting like a Dem for the past 6 years anyway. Or is it because most of his constintuents are Dems and he wants to stay in office?

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 28, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

"played football and basketball at the college level, and avidly follows sports I happen to believe that at this point in their careers it would be utterly remarkable if Thomas and Jansen are anything above below average and make it through 16 games"

Well now we're getting somewhere....I didn't know you, "played football and basketball at the college level"...this puts everything in perspective...you're obviously an expert.....

Having surgery to alleviate an injury, and feeling better than you have in years, never amounts to anything......

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 28, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

BREAKING NEWS

Democrats and Republicans are the same thing.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 28, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Cork,

Being peric's twin isn't something you should brag about.

Everytime I read a post of his it makes me want to scratch my eyeballs out.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 28, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Elwood: It's got a cop motor, a 440 cubic inch plant, it's got cop tires, cop suspensions, cop shocks. It's a model made before catalytic converters so it'll run good on regular gas. What do you say, is it the new Bluesmobile or what?
[a brief thinking pause while Jake attempts to light a cigarette]
Jake: Fix the cigarette lighter.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | April 28, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Hey REDDMV

I got five words for you, loser.

YOU CAN'T KNOCK THE HUSTLE

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 28, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

No answer, Flounder?

Posted by: Salinas1 | April 28, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Having surgery to alleviate an injury, and feeling better than you have in years, never amounts to anything......

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 28, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

bean, have you ever had a surgery? I've had ankle, shoulder, knee, and neck surgery, feeling better and the return of strength, flexibility, durability, and normalcy are very different things. Anyone who has ever had a surgery or broken a bone or dislocated a joint knows that no matter what, its never the same as it was before. You can get back to almost 100% but it is always 1) in your head 2) more likely to be reinjured and 3) just not quite the way it used to be and maybe only you can tell, but you can. Thomas and Jansen both have had a ton of injuries, a ton of surgeries, and are in their mid 30s now. You're a moron if you think "feeling better then I have in years" = I'll be significantly better than I was last year and as good as I was 3 or 4 years ago.....even without injury it rarely works like that....

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 28, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

BREAKING NEWS

Democrats and Republicans are the same thing.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 28, 2009 12:25 PM

Now that is the Truth.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | April 28, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Im not sure why the Skins are not resigning Kendell, he actually had a very good year last year and they need a third guard! Also, there is a reliable veteran center out there in FA land who can also play some guard: Grey Ruegamer, Giants. Still have no idea what they are going to do at right tackle if Heyer does not pan out. Having no solution at RT and no backup LT or RT is stupid...but then again so is Vinny.

Posted by: oddjob2 | April 28, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

They've made additions with FA signings, although lowest possible tier, they now have some guys to possibly add to the roster for much needed depth."The line ain't that bad!"

If they resign Kendall they will actually be pretty good on running plays with Jansen starting and Fred Davis at tight end. If "the world's greatest loser" can come off the weight loss ranch and play then maybe even better than last year. On pass blocking they will not be so good ... FOR MAYBE 5-8 games and then it will collapse just as it did last year. That is not the way to build an offense.

Posted by: periculum | April 28, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse


BREAKING NEWS

Democrats and Republicans are the same thing.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 28, 2009 12:25 PM

Now that is the Truth.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | April 28, 2009 12:36 PM

So,

Obama = McCain?

Interesting. That's what I thought, too....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 28, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Cork,
Being peric's twin isn't something you should brag about.

Everytime I read a post of his it makes me want to scratch my eyeballs out.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 28, 2009

A Flounder you should know better than to swim out with the great white's, especially with one that may channel Priest Holmes ...

Posted by: periculum | April 28, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Is it inconcievable to think that these UMD UDFA's Burley and Williams will make the team as backups? What about the other 2 guys from last year Devin Clark and Batiste? These guys have no chance to step up and provide help/depth. Well guess what some of these guys are going to have to. That is what the FO is expecting. They know more about these guys than we do. Lets see what they can do.

Posted by: FedorEm | April 28, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Beep Beep

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 28, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

QUESTION for the FO supporters. Suppose Sanchez had fallen to the Jaguars pick and the Redskins pulled the trigger and made the deal. Do you believe that the later choices would have been the same ... or would Snyder have ok'ed selecting O-line to protect Sanchez?

Posted by: periculum | April 28, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

"Anyone who has ever had a surgery or broken a bone or dislocated a joint knows that no matter what, its never the same as it was before"

Right, you played college sports, and you're a Doctor to boot.

So Tom Brady will be a mere shell of his former self this year, and going forward.....right.....and every guy in the NFL who has EVER had a surgery, was never the same as before.....right....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 28, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

QUESTION for the FO supporters. Suppose Sanchez had fallen to the Jaguars pick and the Redskins pulled the trigger and made the deal. Do you believe that the later choices would have been the same ... or would Snyder have ok'ed selecting O-line to protect Sanchez?

Posted by: periculum

That's what I'm talking about. I think Snyder and his shoe-shine boy are setting up JC to fail so it looks like they were right all along. Their stupid little egos get in the way of winning. That's why all of last years picks made the roster.

Posted by: Salinas1 | April 28, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

the edge would be a great complment for cp and todd collins I think will be unemployed with colt and chase but if jc goes down in we are in a world of crap. Jc step up to the plate and show Vinny that you are the guy we drafted . How many O Coordinators have you've had. Z-Man now is your time shine!!!!

Posted by: bert3 | April 28, 2009 11:00 PM | Report abuse

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