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Skins Agree To Terms With WR Trent Shelton

The Redskins have agreed to terms on a three-year deal with free agent receiver Trent Shelton, according to a league source, and he will sign with the team today pending a physical. Shelton, who played college football at Baylor, will be at Redskins Park in time to participate in Monday's OTA session, the first of the spring following the conclusion of mini-camp Sunday.

Shelton, 24, had a strong 2007 preseason with Indianapolis after going un-drafted, shining as a gunner on special teams as well as a possession receiver, but did not crack the talented unit and spent that season on the Colts' practice squad. He spent 2008 on Seattle's practice squad, getting well ver4sed in the principles and verbiage of the West Coast system Redskins Coach Jim Zorn brought with him from Seattle that same year.

Shelton has flashed as an "X" receiver, or possession guy in the slot, in this system, an area of particular need as second-year receiver Malcolm Kelly tries to recover from another knee surgery. Shelton also has good speed and is a willing blocker.

It's a signing worth noting given the uncertainty at this position. Veteran receivers DJ Hackett and Kelley Washington spent the weekend with the Redskins at mini-camp on a tryout basis, but neither immediately accepted offers from the Redskins Sunday. With top wideout Santana Moss (shin splints) out until June, and veteran receiver James Thrash (neck), Kelly, and second-year receiver Devin Thomas (hamstring) all also likely out at least that long, there is ample opportunity for another pro to step in and get noticed.

Given the lack of experienced receivers available for this week's OTA sessions, Shelton could find himself working with the first team and catching balls from quarterback Jason Campbell in short order. At 6-0, 205 pounds, he fit's the frame of the kind of target receiver long sought after for this offense.

By Jason La Canfora  |  May 3, 2009; 9:44 PM ET
 
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Posted by: redskinz571 | May 3, 2009 9:54 PM | Report abuse

I sure hope we can RUN and play D like last year.

I don't see much opportunity to improve in the passing game, so far.


Posted by: pabrian2003 | May 3, 2009 9:54 PM | Report abuse

THIRD!!

Posted by: TheReporter | May 3, 2009 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Is it just me or do we have some major holes at Wide Receiver and 0-line. Good thing we got depth at Corner with that third round pic!?!?!?!?!

Posted by: TheReporter | May 3, 2009 9:58 PM | Report abuse

We're pretty much doomed

Posted by: Salinas1 | May 3, 2009 9:59 PM | Report abuse

This WR business is getting a little scary.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 3, 2009 9:59 PM | Report abuse

I am really starting to think the Redskins are setting Jason Campbell up to fail this year. As much as I like bringing back Doc at left guard this offensive line reminds me of and old rusted pipe...full of leaks. For the Skins not to address the tackle position AT ALL in the draft is concerning. And please don't tell me some practice squad wonder or some guy that hasn't played since 05 is our hope for suring up pass protection. I personally think Rhinehart will be a fine guard in the NFL, but a tackle is a reach. For them to do NOTHING at this position is crazy. No help at wideout except crossing your fingers and praying one of the two second year players one of which barely got on the field last year and still isn't healthy this year!!!. I just see this is a lose lose situation for Campbell. How can he be better than last year with no changes and no help. Wait there is one change the O-Line is a year older and slower on the right side. O and it will be another long year for CP dodging DT's in the backfield, even though Dockery should help there.

Posted by: TheReporter | May 3, 2009 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Three years. What were the terms?

Posted by: skinfanman | May 3, 2009 10:11 PM | Report abuse

I am really starting to think the Redskins are setting Jason Campbell up to fail this year. As much as I like bringing back Doc at left guard this offensive line reminds me of and old rusted pipe...full of leaks. For the Skins not to address the tackle position AT ALL in the draft is concerning. And please don't tell me some practice squad wonder or some guy that hasn't played since 05 is our hope for suring up pass protection. I personally think Rhinehart will be a fine guard in the NFL, but a tackle is a reach. For them to do NOTHING at this position is crazy. No help at wideout except crossing your fingers and praying one of the two second year players one of which barely got on the field last year and still isn't healthy this year!!!. I just see this is a lose lose situation for Campbell. How can he be better than last year with no changes and no help. Wait there is one change the O-Line is a year older and slower on the right side. O and it will be another long year for CP dodging DT's in the backfield, even though Dockery should help there.

Posted by: TheReporter | May 3, 2009 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Don't be silly...you really think the coaching staff and the owner would want a Qb to do badly and set them up on purpose....C'mon get a grip

Posted by: leevi98 | May 3, 2009 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps a bigger target in the red zone? Also maybe we can get rid of James Thrash. It is time for us to move on from him and get some young blood in this receiving corps. What do you all make of the kid from Nevada because if you read redskins.com he seems to catch everything and he is a taller receiver.

Posted by: wattsicon | May 3, 2009 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Well a better way to put it is....The Skins appear to be throwing in the towel on the offense being a prolific high scoring offense this year and will try to win with a top 5 defense and the running game. Sounds a lot like last year. I am saying this since they spent a boat load of money (and draft picks) on a defense ranked 4th and spent very little to no money (or draft picks) on helping an offense who couldn't outscore the Colts if they where only allowed to kick field goals. Campbell is entering a contract year, with him putting up Pedestrian numbers again because of a lack of help. (Cooley and Moss are nice...but not enough) If Campbell doesn't put up big numbers I don't see how he can demand a large contract. The FRONT OFFICE in my opinion is handcuffing him. Now there is second scenario here....Maybe the Owner who doesn't want Campbell and the GM who also doesn't want him isn't setting him up, maybe they are just really that dumb!! I just can't believe they are!

Posted by: TheReporter | May 3, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Then again, 30 million, 10 million guaranteed to Brandon Lloyd...maybe they are that dumb! =) Adam Archuleta anyone??

Posted by: TheReporter | May 3, 2009 10:37 PM | Report abuse

He isn't any good and he won't beat out James Thrash. Kelly Washington has the best shot at unseating Thrash but he will likely fail too or sign with the ravens after he visits and realizes how much better they are.

Posted by: lowtharofthehill | May 3, 2009 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Snyderatto is still channelling Spurrier: "You don't need an O-line, you don't need an O-line..."

Fun and gun didn't work for Spurrier, and I seriously doubt it will work for Zorn. In the NFL, you'd better protect your QB or they'll end up "Ramseyed" to smithereens.

Obviously, the Skins are hoping to duplicate the performance of the Steelers, whose defense could win games even when the QB is throwing 1 TD and 1 INT every game and getting sacked twice a game.

Posted by: Alan4 | May 3, 2009 11:10 PM | Report abuse

Hey Reporter, I feel you on the setting up Campbell to fail thing. However, wouldn't it be nice to see as hard as Vinny tried to F-up the team that he managed to F-up, F-ing it up.

What if Williams has a beast of a year and this Shelton dude turns out to be the next Issac Bruce and Jason has a Kurt Warner'isc year? That would be the ultimate Randy Moss pants down, a$$ out at the F.O. we as fans could ever hope for!

Posted by: clark202 | May 3, 2009 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Still groping for WR replacements for ARE and THRASH. O-line, what o-line?

OLB wishing and hoping. BARNES for TRYON? Better but no cigar. This year 9-7 even with the last place schedule.

Next year CB, OLB. Two years from now L offensive tackle and two OG's.

Posted by: glawrence007 | May 3, 2009 11:19 PM | Report abuse

I agree Alan4 problem is the Redskins aren't built like Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh has one of the most talented front 7's in football and have average talent in the secondary...(except for Troy Pauluhowever you spell it) Another team built like that is the Ravens....Great front 7.... average talent in the secondary (except ED REED) The Redskins have bright spots in there front 7, Hayneworth, Fletchor, hopefully Orakpo....but one of the most talented in the league, i think not. So for the Redskins to hope to win like Pittsburgh, i just don't see that happening. Don't get me wrong I love the skins, and I do think they will be a tough team....just not THE TEAM.

Posted by: TheReporter | May 3, 2009 11:19 PM | Report abuse

how come no one is talking about this guy stepping up? JLC whats the deal with Marko??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiRsDgbIqDg

Posted by: parasonic | May 3, 2009 11:21 PM | Report abuse

I think if you guys are seriously thinking they are setting up a Qb for failure on purpose...maybe you need a vacation or something...thta a bit of a reach.

Posted by: leevi98 | May 3, 2009 11:24 PM | Report abuse

And one other gripe about not drafting O-line.....Did Synderatto consider what division we play in. We play in one of the best knock the BEEEP out of the quaterback divisions in football. Lets break it down, you got Dallas and Demarcus Ware, ask Chris Samuels how that battle usally turns out. You got Phili who seems to just breed rushers....I swear if Andre Carter put on a eagles helmet he would be a 10 sack a year DE...Jim Johnson's blitz schemes also has something to do with that, o yeah and Osi Ouimhowever you spell it and Justin Tuck up in NY who we will see week one....So AGAIN why didn't we address this old leaking pipe known as the offensive line!!!

Posted by: TheReporter | May 3, 2009 11:27 PM | Report abuse

Well setting up to fail, is a little strong,I will take that back. Because Synder does want to win...I believe that. Having said that handcuffing a guy they don't want at QB and playing conservative relying on your running game, and playing good defense when your QB is in a contract year....maybe not a reach...You got to admit...The likely hood of Campbell setting the world on fire this season with what he has to work with are not that great...And if he doesn't the Redskins can resign him probly much cheaper than it would cost if he was lighting it up. Then again a 50-1 horse did when the Kentucky Derby so who knows!!!

Posted by: TheReporter | May 3, 2009 11:32 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Lisa_R | May 3, 2009 11:59 PM | Report abuse

Receivers, running backs, and QB's are only as good as your OL and the same can be said for your D Backs with regards to your front 7. Our D will not be the problem this yr with the addition of Albert and Orkapo. This team will live and die with this OL. Hopefully Heyer can develop, Samuels and Thomas can stay healthy, and Raybach wont get pushed around with the addition of Doc. They will only go as far as this OL can take them. Oh and the development of the 3 2nd picks from last yr wouldn't hurt either.

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 4, 2009 12:15 AM | Report abuse

Trent Shelton is 6' 202lbs and has as many catches in the NFL as I do. I hope he is a special teams maven and a diamond in the rough, although this seems to be the same plan we have for our OL.

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 4, 2009 12:25 AM | Report abuse

I can see MWilliams being a very solid RT for us on short yarage if he stays healthy. That was definintely missing last season. That will help the offense control the ball longer and get CPortis a few more TDs.

There's a lot of pressure on guys drafted early in the 1st round. I suspect if Williams were drafted in the 4th or 5th round, he'd be regarded as a pretty solid, if injury prone, run-blocking tackle instead of a collosal bust. He was voted as the Bills best offensive lineman in 2004, so he's proven he can play well in this league.

Posted by: Alan4 | May 4, 2009 1:00 AM | Report abuse

Shelton probably does replace Thrash. The Skins have needed a better special teams gunner and Thrash adds no value as either a special team backup kick returner or a WR...

Posted by: siris | May 4, 2009 1:13 AM | Report abuse

Why are we signing all these second rate receivers when we could have signed Marvin Harrison???

Posted by: charley42 | May 4, 2009 2:03 AM | Report abuse

I guess those great receivers they drafted last year weren't so great after all.
Real smart people we have running the team.

Posted by: jmy999 | May 4, 2009 2:06 AM | Report abuse

Why are we signing all these second rate receivers when we could have signed Marvin Harrison???

Posted by: charley42 | May 4, 2009 2:03 AM | Report abuse

Harrison doesn't want to play football, he doesn't want to go to a new team & have to learn a new system. Also, he doesn't want to take a pay cut... He's done.

Posted by: tony325 | May 4, 2009 2:52 AM | Report abuse

Setting Campbell up to fail! Bring on Marvin Harrison! Channelling Spurrier! $30 million to Brandon Lloyd! We're doomed!

Dumb roolz, intelligence droolz on RI.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 4, 2009 5:55 AM | Report abuse

We should get Harrison's old tired ass in here... instead of signing 2 or 3 peckerheads.

Posted by: noseman4681 | May 4, 2009 6:15 AM | Report abuse

There are some whiny little b!tches that post on this site.

Posted by: Flounder21 | May 4, 2009 6:46 AM | Report abuse

Setting Campbell up to fail! Bring on Marvin Harrison! Channelling Spurrier! $30 million to Brandon Lloyd! We're doomed!

Dumb roolz, intelligence droolz on RI.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 4, 2009 5:55 AM | Report abuse


Ryan Clark! Antonio Pierce! Deion Sanders!

Posted by: Original_etrod | May 4, 2009 7:09 AM | Report abuse

"There's a lot of pressure on guys drafted early in the 1st round. I suspect if Williams were drafted in the 4th or 5th round, he'd be regarded as a pretty solid, if injury prone, run-blocking tackle instead of a collosal bust. He was voted as the Bills best offensive lineman in 2004, so he's proven he can play well in this league.Posted by: Alan4 "

Right. Williams can play, or at least, could play, a long time ago. He lost his desire. He's actually not a bad pass blocker; moves his feet well, is very wide, and has that big punch. Defensive linemen hate to get punched.

He became a bust, I suspect, mostly because of that exalted draft position. If he'd been a couple rounds lower, people wouldn't have complained as much. But once those contracts are signed, everybody's expectations go up. And it's all about expectations in today's NFL. Like a bunch of Wall Streeters throwing out insane revenue projections in order to attract foolhardy investors. Works OK as long as nobody looks down....

Chad Rinehart allegedly has a big punch, too. Even if we can't block anybody, maybe we can KO them with a right cross.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 4, 2009 7:38 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Original_etrod | May 4, 2009 7:42 AM | Report abuse

wow...whats that old saying, tis better to be though a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. That certainly applies to some of the posts I just read....

Flound, how'd the girls do this weekend in softball....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 4, 2009 8:11 AM | Report abuse

It would seem to me that practicing against Orakpo and Haynesworth will make the offensive line better than they were last year. I believe that Bugle will get them straight, especially if he sees them getting pushed around in practice.

Posted by: yondego | May 4, 2009 8:14 AM | Report abuse

See a trend here?

Kelley Washington and Trent Shelton are both special teams standouts and guys that play the inside slot position.

It doesn't take a genius to guess that the player these guys are being brought in to challenge is James Thrash, who at 34, is going to face an uphill battle to make the final roster.

In my opinion, the decision may have already been made to go with a younger, cheaper player than Thrash but the team was still sorting out which of the three receivers brought in during the minicamps that impressed was going to be the final candidate.

Posted by: leopard09 | May 4, 2009 8:14 AM | Report abuse

Something tells me this Trent Shelton guy is gonna be the 2nd coming of Marcus Mason on this blog. Heaven help us if he catches a TD in the preseason...

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 4, 2009 8:14 AM | Report abuse

Flound, how'd the girls do this weekend in softball....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 4, 2009 8:11 AM |

The rain got us Tournament cancelled.

Posted by: Flounder21 | May 4, 2009 8:16 AM | Report abuse

brown, don't we already have the 2nd coming of Marcus Mason, in Marcus Mason?? I mean, I guess I don't get it with the love for this guy. Flamed out here. And with the Jets. And with the Ravens. What more do people need to see with this guy??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 4, 2009 8:18 AM | Report abuse

"Hey Reporter, I feel you on the setting up Campbell to fail thing. However, wouldn't it be nice to see as hard as Vinny tried to F-up the team that he managed to F-up, F-ing it up.

What if Williams has a beast of a year and this Shelton dude turns out to be the next Issac Bruce and Jason has a Kurt Warner'isc year? That would be the ultimate Randy Moss pants down, a$$ out at the F.O. we as fans could ever hope for!

Posted by: clark202 "


Yeah imagine how dumb our front office would look if The Redskins had a great year. THE EGG ON THEIR FACE!!

Or what if we won the Superbowl and JC was the MVP! Oh man, Vinny would hate it so much he'd probably go on a killing spree!!!


WTF ARE SOME OF YALL TALKING ABOUT???

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 4, 2009 8:20 AM | Report abuse

In follow-up I would give the Redskins at least the CHANCE to see what the younger players they have drafted and signed as undrated free agents the past 2 years can go with more experience, before I write off the offense for 2009.

The focus has been on defense in the draft and free agency because the focus last year was almost exclusively on the other side of the ball.

If Devin Thomas, Fred Davis show improvement and one of the veterans, Washington or Hackett, signs here I think along with Campbell's development in Year 2 that the offense will be improved from within.

Of the unheralded players from late in the draft and as UDFAs I am interested in seeing how Marko Mitchell, Derek Walker and Edwin Williams perform during camp.

I like the pre-draft bios on all three players.

While the Redskins have often burned picks #2-#4 in the draft, the team has done well with late selections:

#5 - Anthony Montgomery
#6 - Kedric Golston
#6 - Reed Doughty
#6 - HB Blades
#6 - Kareem Moore
#7 - Chris Horton

Posted by: leopard09 | May 4, 2009 8:20 AM | Report abuse

To play devil's advocate with Thrash, what if we go cut Thrash and take someone not as good but with more upside, and then go on to make the Superbowl? I'd say gimme Thrash in the Superbowl over a younger guy who isn't as good.


But us in the Superbowl this year will only happen when pigs fly. But then again, I've heard reports that a swine flu!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 4, 2009 8:22 AM | Report abuse

Sorry to say, but they need the receivers in camp. Reports have Moss (shin splints), Thrash (neck), Devin T. (hamstring) and Kelly (knee) out til June OTAs. Need somebody for the four QB's to play catch with.

Posted by: pv1999 | May 4, 2009 8:28 AM | Report abuse

Why give a guy like this a three year contract? I know the contract's not guaranteed, but do they honestly think he's a sleeper? I hope the receiving corps is not as pathetic as their actions suggest. If it is, the next thing you know, Vinny will be throwing out next year's draft picks to trade for some veteran receiver ala Jason Taylor.

Maybe what we're seeing is a growing acceptance within the organization that ARE is not a quality second receiver, and last year's draft picks have "bust city" written all over them. Unfortunately, they are looking for a miracle where miracles are hard to find: FA's, UFA's and 7th round draft picks. Maybe they would be better off making a trade. Does anyone know the number for Anquan Boldin's agent? If they're going to deal, now is the time. Giving whatever player they grab a full training camp will improve their early season production.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 4, 2009 8:29 AM | Report abuse

Trent Shelton tweets:

http://twitter.com/TrentShelton

Posted by: swowra | May 4, 2009 8:29 AM | Report abuse

flound, sorry to hear that, I'm sure you and they could use a break like that...

weather up here is supposed to be lousy, all week, and into the weekend....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 4, 2009 8:30 AM | Report abuse

I guess those great receivers they drafted last year weren't so great after all.
Real smart people we have running the team.


Posted by: jmy999

Yeah, cause first year WRs always have great years. Especially when one of them is injured.

Welcome to the NFL.

Posted by: Rypien11 | May 4, 2009 8:31 AM | Report abuse

really...are people really looking at this Trent Shelton guy, as an indictment of Kelly/Thomas??

I was unaware that people were that stupid.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 4, 2009 8:34 AM | Report abuse

brown, don't we already have the 2nd coming of Marcus Mason, in Marcus Mason?? I mean, I guess I don't get it with the love for this guy. Flamed out here. And with the Jets. And with the Ravens. What more do people need to see with this guy??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 4, 2009 8:18 AM |

I'm with you Greg...my 2 year-old daughter could run for 90 yards and a TD against the street FA slapd*cks they put out on the field the 2nd half of preseason games. A few folks up here see him ball against those clowns and think he's Stephen Davis 2.0. There's a reason he doesn't play the first half...

As for this Trent guy...I'm curious to see if he can play. HUGE plus if he can, but the commitment to developing the 2nd rounders will prevent him from getting any meaningful play time.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 4, 2009 8:36 AM | Report abuse

flound, sorry to hear that, I'm sure you and they could use a break like that...

weather up here is supposed to be lousy, all week, and into the weekend....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 4, 2009 8:30 AM |

The weather sucks here as well, problem was they didn't cancell the tournament until we were already there and ready to play. I still had to get up early and drive an hour.

Posted by: Flounder21 | May 4, 2009 8:36 AM | Report abuse

Trent Shelton's classy home page... "We Famous Now"

http://www.wefamousnow.com/

Can you say, "I just got paid"?

Posted by: swowra | May 4, 2009 8:38 AM | Report abuse

Cut thrash and offer him a spot on the coaching staff working with the Special teams and WR's, to eventaully replace Hixson if he can.

Smart dude, great workout warrior, likable. I say we make it work. I would take him over, Stan "most GM's say he is not an NFL level coach" Hixson.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 4, 2009 8:53 AM | Report abuse

Trent Shelton's classy home page... "We Famous Now"

Since when does God need representin' with hand signs???

Posted by: will_ga | May 4, 2009 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Why are we signing all these second rate receivers when we could have signed Marvin Harrison???

Posted by: charley42 | May 4, 2009 2:03 AM | Report abuse

Because, at this point in his career, Harrison is a second rate receiver, too, who likely isn't willing to play for the veteran's minimum that we are offering to these guys.

Posted by: rbpalmer | May 4, 2009 8:59 AM | Report abuse

I agree Alan4 problem is the Redskins aren't built like Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh has one of the most talented front 7's in football and have average talent in the secondary...(except for Troy Pauluhowever you spell it) Another team built like that is the Ravens....Great front 7.... average talent in the secondary (except ED REED) The Redskins have bright spots in there front 7, Hayneworth, Fletchor, hopefully Orakpo....but one of the most talented in the league, i think not. So for the Redskins to hope to win like Pittsburgh, i just don't see that happening. Don't get me wrong I love the skins, and I do think they will be a tough team....just not THE TEAM.

Posted by: TheReporter | May 3, 2009 11:19 PM |

We WERE (built like that) when, OUR Ed Reed, Troy Palomalu, ST21 was playing. Our Secondary WAS our strength last year. Only because the front lacks a super star (Fletch YES, but age) We NEEDED to replace Washington and Springs. We added a potential super star to our front in Hayney. And, Orakpo is an explosive pass rusher. Explosiveness doesn't go away.

Actually wasn't the Steelers line pretty horrendous last year?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | May 4, 2009 9:00 AM | Report abuse

"Pittsburgh has one of the most talented front 7's in football"

Truth be told, they have one of the worst offensive lines in football. Big Ben was sacked a ton of times last year. But don't let facts get in the way of your argument....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 4, 2009 9:04 AM | Report abuse

It would seem to me that practicing against Orakpo and Haynesworth will make the offensive line better than they were last year. I believe that Bugle will get them straight, especially if he sees them getting pushed around in practice.

Posted by: yondego | May 4, 2009 8:14 AM | Report abuse

You can't make chicken soup out of chicken . . . feathers.

Posted by: rbpalmer | May 4, 2009 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Why are we signing all these second rate receivers when we could have signed Marvin Harrison???

Posted by: charley42 | May 4, 2009 2:03 AM | Report abuse

Because, at this point in his career, Harrison is a second rate receiver, too, who likely isn't willing to play for the veteran's minimum that we are offering to these guys.

Posted by: rbpalmer | May 4, 2009 8:59 AM

We really don't need aging vets at WR, Thomas' stats were almost as good as DJ Hackett and Brandon Lloyd last year. This they should look more like a legit #3 WR. Probably Davis' stats too.

But, we could have carried 1 more WR on the roster last year. Plus, with extra QB's in camp you need bodies.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | May 4, 2009 9:06 AM | Report abuse

How the heck can all these receivers be out for such an extended time. It just goes to show you that we don't have gamers on the roster. HELP!

Posted by: joeboggs | May 4, 2009 9:08 AM | Report abuse

"It just goes to show you that we don't have gamers on the roster."

Dude. It's May.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | May 4, 2009 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Pretty sure "front 7" refers to defensive line and LB corp (whether in the 3-4 or 4-3).

Posted by: psps23 | May 4, 2009 9:15 AM | Report abuse

If El was not worth so much to the cap "and to Redskins Nation The TV Show" then I think that we would be looking at signing some bigger name guys. BUt we are paying him (a no 3) no 2 money.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 4, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Bean - I believe he was referring to the defensive front 7 of Pittsburgh.

Posted by: Rypien11 | May 4, 2009 9:17 AM | Report abuse

you guys and your attention to details.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 4, 2009 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Agree with the person who said practicing against or “new” dline (that on paper should provide more pass rush) will help out the oline and hopefully Campbell as well. Even if the oline gets pushed around in practice it will help to translate to Campbell getting rid of the ball quicker in games, as he will be used to the pass rush (no pass rush in practice last year).

Also, watched some tv over the weekend and saw/remembered that Tony Mandarich, arguably the biggest draft bust ever, came back from 4 or 5 years out of the league to have a few productive years as a starter for the Colts….maybe Williams can do the same.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 4, 2009 9:20 AM | Report abuse

O-line is refereed to as the Front 5.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 4, 2009 9:22 AM | Report abuse

I saw that about Mandrich too, he was considered a very good guard in his comeback.

With this line having a vet like Williams around may work out well

Posted by: pabrian2003 | May 4, 2009 9:30 AM | Report abuse

I agree.. its dumb to think anyone is setting up Campbell.. But it does seem extremely dumb to see what FA WR's we have passed on.. and then the low quality 3rd and 4th stringers that are being signed.
Without a bookend threat for Moss.. It will be the same in 09 as it was in 08 in 3rd and long situations.. Double Moss, Stack Portis, blind side rush JC.. JC has 2 seconds to throw..and no time for WR separation (result short pass, dump or sack). Inside the 20, red zone, aame formula but with a LB or DB blitz on JC.

Does seem strange to commit nearly 200 Million to the Defense (150 Haynesworth, Hall and 30 Mil to the 09 Draft) and nothing to an Offense that scored less points than the Detroit Lions.

On Offense, no renewed contracts, no Free Agents signings, and no significant Draft picks... It would seem if there is a "set up" here.. its for a new Offensive minded Head Coach in 2010. Maybe Shanahan?? Who knows?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | May 4, 2009 9:33 AM | Report abuse

I've never heard of Trent Shelton before this post/blog...but the sad thing is that he sounds like an upgrade to our WR corps.

Posted by: p1funk | May 4, 2009 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Something tells me this Trent Shelton guy is gonna be the 2nd coming of Marcus Mason on this blog. Heaven help us if he catches a TD in the preseason...

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 4, 2009 8:14 AM

I was thinking this years version of Anthony Mix. He is big, he must be good.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | May 4, 2009 9:44 AM | Report abuse

I've never heard of Trent Shelton before this post/blog...but the sad thing is that he sounds like an upgrade to our WR corps.
Posted by: p1funk | May 4, 2009 9:35 AM | Report abuse


You could get a dwarf on the roster and if he got on the field he would be an upgrade over Kelly.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 4, 2009 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Can someone please explain to me, what the F is wrong with our training staff that we consistently have more problems with Hamstrings, shin splits, Periods, butt aches. Do these retards not stretch??? Why do our WR constantly have problems that can be solved by good stretching? So at mini-camp...we did not have Moss, Thomas, Kelly, or Thrash. I think this is the last season with Moss and ARE and Thrash.

I like Moss, but injuries are ridiculous. Thomas with a hamstring injury is ridiculous.

Kelly Washington would be a good pickup, but it does not seem as if he will be picking us. BOOO

Posted by: mhartz1 | May 4, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Anquan Boldin.. lets make a deal.. Yeah.. there are character issues but, we got blind, cripple, crazy lining up on the other side of Moss...
http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d810199e2&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | May 4, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Since when is it desirable to rip on cheap young prospects with the team? It's as if people want this guy and Marcus Mason to fail.

By the way, regarding Mason, there's a reason 4 different teams put in for his services. And there's a reason that despite the fact that the Redskins have seen him for 2 years running and essentially know exactly what he offers, they still brought him back the minute he became available (in fact, claimed him off waivers, not even allowing him to hit the unrestricted market, and providing him a full roster spot's salary) instead of offering an unknown player the spot with the hopes of finding a gem.

Not so bold prediction, the Redskins keep Mason over Rock and save a couple hundred $k in the process. Thrash is gone as well, with one of Hackett or Washington taking his place.

Posted by: psps23 | May 4, 2009 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Marko Mitchell is creating some good buzz

Posted by: BenchCampbell | May 4, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

mhartz, do you think Moss and Thomas will miss this weekends game??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 4, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

I have to give credit where credit is due I have been hard on D Thomas... but it sounds like he really stepped up his game and before the hammy was looking pretty sharp in practice

Posted by: BenchCampbell | May 4, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

It just seems to me that we are always having these nagging injuries with our players. Injuries that if stretched properly could be eliminated or at the very least controlled.

I like Moss, one of my favorite players, but tired of the shin splints, hammies, etc.

Thomas, I hope works out and is a real threat. Seems to be a talented player that just needs to grow up.

Moss we know what he brings, Thomas we are still up in the air with him...so it would have been nice to see him out there this weekend.

Posted by: mhartz1 | May 4, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Has Campbell said anything about D. Thomas and his efforts? Like I said, I am hoping for great things from all the WR, I think they can help out a struggling line pretty well if they can get quick separation and catch the ball.

We will see, where we are at. I would love to see M. Kelly come back real strong. He was a beast in college.

Posted by: mhartz1 | May 4, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

mhartz1
I am no doctor but I think the heat and humidity that we get when we have training camp is a big factor.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 4, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

MHartz not trying to be a nay-sayer but microfracture surgery is not a minor thing... and yes if he had the surgery in Jan. he could conceivably be back by June. However that is all dependant on Kelly and even if he comes back by June he will still be very limited...

Just saying realistically Kelly wont be %100 percent this season

Worst case scenario you have a Chris Webber situation after the surgery he was NEVER the same

Posted by: BenchCampbell | May 4, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

For all those calling for a trade for Boldin or saying we should have signed Holt or Harrison those are the EXACT kind of moves that have failed this organization under Snyder. Overpaying "name" vets past their prime or giving up too much in a trade for other teams players.

For better or worse, our WR production is gonna hinge on the development/health of last years 2nd round picks, the development of Campbell, and the health of Moss. I dont think it would be wise to sign any WRs for more than the minimum. This Sheltoon guy sounds interesting and Im curious as to why he got a 3 year deal instead of 1. But we are gonna have to do what good NFL franchises do and DEVELOP some of our young players in the passing game. The quick fix solution simply has not worked, does not work.

And of course, the other key to the passing game is the O-line. To repeat an old chorus, we need some talent and youth on the O-line badly. This is where the foolery of the Skins FO approach comes to light. I have no problem taking Orakpo over Oher and really Im not going to whine about how they should have taken Duke Robinson or some of the other linemen that fell.

The problem is that because of bad trades in the past and giving away draft picks like dollars at a strip club the Skins
are completely handicapped when it comes to adding affordable young talent to the roster. If they valued there draft picks and had 2nd and 4th rounders they could have taken an Unger or a Loadholt or somebody like that. They could have packaged picks to move up or down and address more needs.

But NO, they trade away 2nd rounders for guys like TJ Duckett and Jason Taylor who do NOTHING for this team while good organizations use those 2nd round picks to find relatively cheap starters and quality depth.


Posted by: VaTerp1 | May 4, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

I hear that 17 and 11 are working together after practices to get that thing together.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 4, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Has Campbell said anything about D. Thomas and his efforts? Like I said, I am hoping for great things from all the WR, I think they can help out a struggling line pretty well if they can get quick separation and catch the ball.

We will see, where we are at. I would love to see M. Kelly come back real strong. He was a beast in college.

Posted by: mhartz1 | May 4, 2009 10:13 AM

Yes, read the article about Campbell, and the "second year.." article

Posted by: pabrian2003 | May 4, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

vaterp,

Duckett was a 3rd.

Posted by: Flounder21 | May 4, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

VA Terp...very well said. I hope that BenchCampbell is wrong about Kelly, but if he is not is it too early start hoping that Arrelious Benn ends up in burgundy and gold?

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | May 4, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Q: What was the best thing about this year's minicamp?

A: There were no high-priced newcomers that left you dismayed like third overall pick Heath Shuler in 1994 or free agent bust Brandon Lloyd in 2006.

Q: That's the lack of a negative. How about a positive?

A: OK, how about this? Jason Campbell was sharp the entire weekend. Maybe, just maybe, the public humiliation by Dan Snyder and Vinny Cerrato has given the mild-mannered quarterback a serious dose of motivation. With Campbell in his contract year, a continuation of this attitude throughout the season will be good for everybody.

Q: That's good to hear. You mentioned Haynesworth already. Please tell me he's not going to be the second coming of Dana Stubblefield.

A: So far, so good with Big Albert. Haynesworth not only looked good - although it's never fair to evaluate linemen during noncontact drills - he made a point of being at the head of the pack when his group ran to rejoin the rest of the team. That seems to say that Haynesworth wants to be a leader instead of resting on his wallet.

Q: How about Orakpo?

A: The kid from Texas showed some serious pass-rushing ability - albeit against Devin Clark, not the ailing Chris Samuels - but it's way too soon to judge how he's making the transition from college defensive end to NFL outside linebacker.

Posted by: psps23 | May 4, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Q: What was the biggest negative this weekend?

A: Sadly but not surprisingly it was that both of last year's second-round receivers, Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly, were unable to practice the past two days. Both should be ready for June's organized team activities, but it seemed like last year all over again with these guys.

Q: Do the Redskins miss Marcus Washington and Shawn Springs?

A: In his 2004-05 prime, Washington was the Redskins' best player. But he hasn't been healthy since. Orakpo should wind up being at least as good of a pro but not right away. Re-signing DeAngelo Hall took away most of the sting of Springs' release. But it was strange seeing undrafted rookies Ronnie Palmer and Doug Dutch wearing Nos. 53 and 24, respectively. While Springs could be outspoken, he wasn't boisterous like Washington, whose absence is more noticeable on the field. But Fred Smoot makes enough noise for three people.

Q: How is Jim Zorn different in his second year as coach?

A: The switch from overseer Joe Gibbs to the manic Zorn was jarring. But now that his assistants and veteran players are comfortable in his scheme, Zorn isn't nearly as excitable. Not that he has lost his engaging personality. The coach kidded a reporter talking to Colt Brennan that the reserve quarterback is lying when he cocks his head.

Q: After forecasting 8-8 season last month, what do you think now?

A: Minicamp is too soon to get a handle on a team, especially because of the lack of contact. And the offense was without two of its key pieces, Samuels and receiver Santana Moss. The already formidable defense should be better with Haynesworth, Orakpo, Hall for an entire season and a healthy Phillip Daniels. Replacing Pete Kendall with Derrick Dockery on an aging line is basically a wash. Four months from the opener, it sure looks like the 2009 Redskins will have to win with defense.

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From The Times

Posted by: psps23 | May 4, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Maybe, just maybe, the public humiliation by Dan Snyder and Vinny Cerrato has given the mild-mannered quarterback a serious dose of motivation.

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From The Times

Posted by: psps23 | May 4, 2009 10:42 AM

That's a laugh. I've read this "public humiliation" crap in a couple of places, and I think it is exactly backwards. Campbell was pure class throughout the Cutler/Sanchez shabingus. The only people who were "humiliated" were Cnyder and Serrato who once again revealed their impetuous, live-for-the-moment style of building a football franchise.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 4, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Since when is it desirable to rip on cheap young prospects with the team? It's as if people want this guy and Marcus Mason to fail.

Posted by: psps23 | May 4, 2009 10:01 AM

I don't think anyone wants him to fail; it's just that his abilities are WAAAAY overhyped here and he hasn't shown anything different from any other undrafted RB who puts together a couple nice games against slapd*cks in the preseason. I seem to recall Jimmy Farris catching a few TDs in the preseason a few years ago; doesn't mean he'd crack a starting lineup on opening day.

As for why they've brought him back: he's been here before and knows more about the offense than anyone else they'd bring in off the street. But don't get it twisted...he's not much more than a training camp body. I have a hard time believing he grades ahead Portis, Betts or even Rock. He'd be no higher than 3rd on the depth chart, and if you're the 3rd RB you better be able to play special teams with the best of 'em and he's not better than Rock on teams...period.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 4, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Something tells me this Trent Shelton guy is gonna be the 2nd coming of Marcus Mason on this blog. Heaven help us if he catches a TD in the preseason...

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 4, 2009 8:14 AM | Report abuse

And Lord please don't let that TD pass be thrown by Colt. we may never hear the bloody end of it!

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 4, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

And Lord please don't let that TD pass be thrown by Colt. we may never hear the bloody end of it!

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 4, 2009 11:02 AM

Not a chance. Colt is only throwing to third-stringers. Shelton? He's going to be out there with the starters. That's what we mean by "second coming."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 4, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Wouldnt he be the second coming of Espy?

Posted by: alex35332 | May 4, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

That's a laugh. I've read this "public humiliation" crap in a couple of places, and I think it is exactly backwards. Campbell was pure class throughout the Cutler/Sanchez shabingus. The only people who were "humiliated" were Cnyder and Serrato who once again revealed their impetuous, live-for-the-moment style of building a football franchise.


Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 4, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

I don't think I have agreed with anything TE has ever said BUT did he ever hit the nail on the head with this one!

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 4, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Goodbye James Thrash you will always be remembered as a true Redskin...

Thrash has been suffering since the end of the regular season with a nagging neck injury given his lack of production and the glut of receivers in camp this will probably be the end of the line

Posted by: BenchCampbell | May 4, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

And Lord please don't let that TD pass be thrown by Colt. we may never hear the bloody end of it!

Posted by: Hail2theChief | May 4, 2009 11:02 AM

Agreed! I don't get that mindset...if that's the case, let me go for like 300 yards and 4 TDs against some 8th graders so I can get a training camp invite!

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 4, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Two Words: LEIGH TORRENCE.

I saw a "Chuck Norris" shirt in Target and my mind's eye just couldn't help but replace all the bullet points. The wife thought I was nuts.

... she's probably right...

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 4, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

redskinhead: "Maybe what we're seeing is a growing acceptance within the organization that ARE is not a quality second receiver, and last year's draft picks have "bust city" written all over them."

And maybe not, huh?

Posted by: Samson151 | May 4, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

We gave this guy a 3 year deal? why? Because Seattle and all of their offensive prowess last year didn't need him? They sucked worse than we did and he couldn't make it on the team there.

Posted by: scottmando | May 4, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Thrash has been suffering since the end of the regular season with a nagging neck injury given his lack of production and the glut of receivers in camp this will probably be the end of the line

Posted by: BenchCampbell | May 4, 2009 11:10 AM

I love how folks are eulogizing Thrash already when training camp hasn't even started...dude has done nothing but make plays since he's been back here. He's not a starter. Arguably he never should have been. But in the role he plays (predominantly on special teams), he does rather well. Forgot the big punt he broke against the Lions a couple years back that sealed the win? Forgot the TD in Dallas last year when shook Terence Newman TO THE GROUND? In the NFL you usually don't lose your job because people are sick of seeing you around, you lose your job because a young gun is doing the same job for less money. And right now Kelly and Thomas haven't proven they can do what Thrash does.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 4, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Dude. It's May.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | May 4, 2009 9:13 AM | Report abuse

It is May you are correct. See our receivers from last year, nothing has changed, nicked up here and there. So without much change, you are content moving forward. Ugh!

Posted by: joeboggs | May 4, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

While the Redskins have often burned picks #2-#4 in the draft, the team has done well with late selections:

#5 - Anthony Montgomery
#6 - Kedric Golston
#6 - Reed Doughty
#6 - HB Blades
#6 - Kareem Moore
#7 - Chris Horton

Posted by: leopard09

It's al relative. Except for Horton, these guys are decent pros and career backups.

Posted by: TheCork | May 4, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

See a trend here?

Kelley Washington and Trent Shelton are both special teams standouts and guys that play the inside slot position.

It doesn't take a genius to guess that the player these guys are being brought in to challenge is James Thrash, who at 34, is going to face an uphill battle to make the final roster.

--LEOPARD09

Nor does it take a genius to realize they are looking for talented gunners because they expect there will be a LOT of punts this year.

Posted by: TheCork | May 4, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

"So without much change, you are content moving forward. Ugh!"

I guess they moved the season up a few months...no time for Kelly and Thomas to practice. Nope, scratch 'em for week 1. This season is over...wake me up for the '10 draft.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | May 4, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Nor does it take a genius to realize they are looking for talented gunners because they expect there will be a LOT of punts this year.

Posted by: TheCork | May 4, 2009 11:23 AM

No, but a true genius like you would have realized the reason they're looking for talented gunners was because this job was handled last year by Justin Tryon and it was another assignment that he was not good at.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 4, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

could it be they're looking to improve their special teams play??

Or does it definitively have to mean, 5 months before the season starts they've thrown the towel in on offense??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 4, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

what is the upside of James Trash at 34 and dont tell me he made some plays in 04...lol

Posted by: BenchCampbell | May 4, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

brownwood, the only reason it appears people are eulogizing James Thrash is becasue people like you have spent time the last few off-seasons canonizing him to no end.

If you know where I stand with Marcus Mason, then you should know where I stand with Thrash/Cartwright

If you don't: Thrash/Cartwright = Dime-A-Dozen-Expendable-Special-Team-Lifers

That's all they are, all they're ever going to be at this stage in their careers. At least Mason is only 25, 26 - he can still go on to be a productive RB. The book is pretty much finished with your boys Rock and Thrash.

pro-James Thrash/Rock Cartwright = pro-Marcus Mason = "it's the offseaason and I'm bored and want to nit-pick"

We must be to debate Thrash, Cartwright, and Mason - again. How fast a year passes...

Posted by: RedDMV | May 4, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

James Trash 08 Stats

9 receptions

81 yards and 1 TD yeah we better sign him to a hefty contract

Get over him he is not even a #3 receiver in this league

Posted by: BenchCampbell | May 4, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

From Elfin at the Times on minicamp:

Q: What was the biggest negative this weekend?

A: Sadly but not surprisingly it was that both of last year's second-round receivers, Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly, were unable to practice the past two days. Both should be ready for June's organized team activities, but it seemed like last year all over again with these guys.

Q: After forecasting 8-8 season last month, what do you think now?

A: Minicamp is too soon to get a handle on a team, especially because of the lack of contact. And the offense was without two of its key pieces, Samuels and receiver Santana Moss. The already formidable defense should be better with Haynesworth, Orakpo, Hall for an entire season and a healthy Phillip Daniels. Replacing Pete Kendall with Derrick Dockery on an aging line is basically a wash. Four months from the opener, it sure looks like the 2009 Redskins will have to win with defense.

Posted by: redskinsfanatic1 | May 4, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Thrash should have been cut years ago. He has never been healthy an entire season and he drops more balls than he catches. Thrash rymes with....

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | May 4, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

The problem with the current WR corps goes back to the decision to sign both Randle El and B Lloyd to 30 mil plus contracts in 2006. Each was considered questionable at the time and signing them both was terrible.

Looking at the draft that year Denver used a 4th round pick they got from the Skins to draft WR Brandon Marshall. Off the field problems aside, he is already Pro Bowl WR who is still playing on a modest rookie contract.

We know that draft picks often dont work out but a draft bust (outside of the top 7 or 8 picks) is a whole lot easier to recover from than FA signing busts. Hopefully, the Snyderrato is slowly learning this and the best thing about this off season has been that we havent give up any future picks. Yet.

I was upset when we spent 3 second round picks on pass catchers last year but now Im hoping that at least 1 of the 3 develops into a quality player. Its been a while since the Skins actually developed a quality offensive skill player. Chris Cooley is the only one that comes to mind in the last several years.

Posted by: VaTerp1 | May 4, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Anquan Boldin.. lets make a deal.. Yeah.. there are character issues but, we got blind, cripple, crazy lining up on the other side of Moss...

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | May 4, 2009 10:00 AM

Ahh, I remember that draft. We passed on Boldin once for another WR, why should we get him now? Remember that second round in 2003?

12 (44) Washington: Taylor Jacobs, WR, Florida
22 (54) Arizona: Anquan Boldin, WR, Florida State
24 (56) N.Y. Giants: Osi Umenyiora, DE, Troy State


Where is Taylor Jacobs now? Maybe we should give him a call!

Posted by: Alan4 | May 4, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

I cant believe anyone would have the audacity to sit here and trumpet the accomplishments of James Thrash... Sounds like he is a nice guy but he has zero presence on the football field especially at 34

Posted by: BenchCampbell | May 4, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Folks - there's no need belaboring the point. There is one, but ONE, team that can and will progress through the season undefeated and win it all.

It is a veritable LOCK. Book it. You heard it here and you heard it now.

That team, 'till this point, has been the butt of every NFL joke. They are maligned. They are broken. But this IS their year. That team, my friends, is the DETROIT LIONS!!

Now, some of you might want me to show with charts and figures (or at least SOME frame of reasonable reference) just HOW a team like this, a perennial doormat, would pull off such a feat.

I don't need all that. I have one undeniable, unassailable point to make. If someone were to ask WHEN the Detroit Lions could pull off an undefeated season, the natural and correct answer would be "When Pigs Fly".

And of course, as we all know.

SWINE FLU!


...maps...

I now return you to your regular pre-season squibbling...

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 4, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

JLA wrote this post like this WR Shelton is gonna be a star because people on here keep complaining about JLA's negativity...this Shelton is just another body to have in camp since the four of the top 5 WR's are hurt or recovering...

It's funny how when JLA is negative, the subsequent posts are positive, and the opposite has just happened...

Posted by: BigE44 | May 4, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

While the Redskins have often burned picks #2-#4 in the draft, the team has done well with late selections:
#5 - Anthony Montgomery
#6 - Kedric Golston
#6 - Reed Doughty
#6 - HB Blades
#6 - Kareem Moore
#7 - Chris Horton
Posted by: leopard09
It's al relative. Except for Horton, these guys are decent pros and career backups.
Posted by: TheCork | May 4, 2009 11:19 AM

And some of us (me, anyway) aren’t completely sold on Horton yet. IMO, he pretty much faded down the stretch. Don’t get me wrong, I am happy that he turned in a good season for us, but I think he got really, really over hyped when he had 3 picks in 2 weeks. He may have had a few good hits here and thereafter that, but not much. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Kareem Moore pass him on the depth chart this year. Bottom line, IMO is that he played really well for a rookie 7th rounder, but it essentially stops there. Hopefully he will continue to improve.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 4, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

I cant believe anyone would have the audacity to sit here and trumpet the accomplishments of James Thrash... Sounds like he is a nice guy but he has zero presence on the football field especially at 34

Posted by: BenchCampbell | May 4, 2009 11:46 AM

Every year has been the same. Young guys show up and they can't beat him out. Maybe we've been getting the wrong young guys, but so far he's been better than they've been.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 4, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

I can see MWilliams being a very solid RT for us on short yarage if he stays healthy. That was definintely missing last season. That will help the offense control the ball longer and get CPortis a few more TDs.

There's a lot of pressure on guys drafted early in the 1st round. I suspect if Williams were drafted in the 4th or 5th round, he'd be regarded as a pretty solid, if injury prone, run-blocking tackle instead of a collosal bust. He was voted as the Bills best offensive lineman in 2004, so he's proven he can play well in this league.

Posted by: Alan4 | May 4, 2009 1:00 AM | Report abuse

As I recall, the issue with Williams was that, despite his success in college, he didn't like football very much. Between the questions regarding his desire to play, his weight and the fact that he's been out of the league for three years, I think that he's a long shot at best to even make the team, to say nothing about starting or getting significant playing time.

Posted by: rbpalmer | May 4, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

What's the word on the young rookie WR from Nebraska, Eloi?

Posted by: lsskinsfan | May 4, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

That's all they are, all they're ever going to be at this stage in their careers. At least Mason is only 25, 26 - he can still go on to be a productive RB. The book is pretty much finished with your boys Rock and Thrash.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 4, 2009 11:38 AM

First of all, Red...read my full argument, not just the part you want to argue with. I seem to remember making this concession:

"He's not a starter. Arguably he never should have been. But in the role he plays (predominantly on special teams), he does rather well."

Mason has shown nothing on special teams other than that he'll fumble the kickoff. This team refuses to use it's 2nd RB, much less its 3rd so he won't play on offense. At the end of the day, you're asking to replace undrafted FAs with...undrafted FAs to play special teams. If Thrash and Rock had no practical use or were tying up roster spots that other guys deserve I'd be the first to call for their heads. Bottom line is Thrash is still the 3rd or 4th best receiver on the roster (which is sad in and of itself) and Rock is the 3rd best RB. Mason being younger is not a reason to put him ahead of those guys, outplaying them does.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 4, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

BigE44 you are right...

Lets take a closer look though

Santanna Moss #1 receiver and rightly so

08 stats
79 receptions over a 1000 yards and 6 TDs

Age 29

Antwan Randle El

#2 receiver by default

53 receptions 593 yards and 4 TDs

Age 29

James Trash

#3 receiver (garbage)

9 receptions 81 yards 1 TDs

Age 34

Cut him loose

Posted by: BenchCampbell | May 4, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

"What's the word on the young rookie WR from Nebraska, Eloi?"

Eaten by morlocks.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 4, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

I cant believe anyone would have the audacity to sit here and trumpet the accomplishments of James Thrash... Sounds like he is a nice guy but he has zero presence on the football field especially at 34

Posted by: BenchCampbell | May 4, 2009 11:46 AM

Nobody's "trumpeting" his accomplishments...just highlighting that he's not nearly as worthless and you would make him sound. He's NEVER been a #1 receiver nor should he be in a regular rotation now. I just disagree with the idea that Anthony Mix or Trent Shelton should get a spot ahead of Thrash because they're younger. I WANT a young player (especially the 2nd rounders) to outplay him. But until that happens, he should stay as long as he's playing a complementary role and not starting.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 4, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

We passed on Boldin and Osi Umenyiora for Taylor Jacobs?? I think he is asking "paper or plastic?" right now, somewhere in FL.
I feel sick..
I have seen a list of insanely poor FA acquisitions by Snyvinny.. But, has anyone compiled a list of All-Pro players that Snyvinny missed in the Drafts?

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


Anquan Boldin.. lets make a deal.. Yeah.. there are character issues but, we got blind, cripple, crazy lining up on the other side of Moss...

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | May 4, 2009 10:00 AM

Ahh, I remember that draft. We passed on Boldin once for another WR, why should we get him now? Remember that second round in 2003?

12 (44) Washington: Taylor Jacobs, WR, Florida
22 (54) Arizona: Anquan Boldin, WR, Florida State
24 (56) N.Y. Giants: Osi Umenyiora, DE, Troy State


Where is Taylor Jacobs now? Maybe we should give him a call!

Posted by: Alan4 | May 4, 2009 11:46 AM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | May 4, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

He's NEVER been a #1 receiver nor should he be in a regular rotation now. I just disagree with the idea that Anthony Mix or Trent Shelton should get a spot ahead of Thrash because they're younger. I WANT a young player (especially the 2nd rounders) to outplay him. But until that happens, he should stay as long as he's playing a complementary role and not starting.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 4, 2009 12:03 PM

Well put, brownwood. Let's all hope a young guy can beat him out, but until they do Thrash is the best we got at what he does.

And when the Eagles got him, didn't they try to make him a #1 receiver? Or was it #2? He didn't work out, and that says more about the Eagles judgement on WRs than it does about Thrash.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 4, 2009 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Really BC? You want him cut no questions asked based solely upon his stats and age? What happened to open competition in camp? Weren’t you one of the guys “trumpeting” for an open qb competition to allow Colt B a shot? Thrash should remain on the roster until he is actually beaten out by one of the other guys. In addition to being a good special teamer, he apparently has one of the best workout/practice ethics in the league. At the least, they should keep him in camp to show kid-n-play and the other young guys how to work hard.

Posted by: dlhaze1 | May 4, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

For the record Thrash was no 8 in terms of total catches on the team. Thomas is our no 3 WR.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 4, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Brown thank you for clarifying your position I thought you were pleased with James Thrash as our #3 guy...

I know there is value of having him around in some supplemental role but I really dont even want him as a 5th option

We have seen what Thrash has to offer and it aint much and its not like at 34 he is going to have a breakout year

Posted by: BenchCampbell | May 4, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Ahh Morlocks

Posted by: alex35332 | May 4, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

But, has anyone compiled a list of All-Pro players that Snyvinny missed in the Drafts?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | May 4, 2009 12:04 PM

Yeah, I did. And I wiped my butt with it this morning. Tomorrow I'll use the list of all pro players that Scott Pioli missed in drafts. Wednesday, the ones that the Giants passed up. Yadda yadda.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 4, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Last!!!!!


Beeps

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 4, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Trent Shelton's classy home page... "We Famous Now"

Since when does God need representin' with hand signs???

Posted by: will_ga

Um have you ever seen The Sign of the Cross? Drop by a Catholic church sometime, but leave your young sons home..

Posted by: TheCork | May 4, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

If Thrash becomes healthy he is an asset to the team. Not as a receiver but on special teams. You can't just put people on special teams. Thrash knows his role. I believe a lot of younger players think they are above playing on special teams and just go through the motions when they are out there. He is a proven special teams commodity. Same with Cartwright. With Khary Campbell gone we need people who know what they are doing out there. I definitely agree that Thrash should be the last receiver on the depth chart but there should be a place for him on this team.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | May 4, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

How awful are these guys that they cant beat out James Trash!!! thats not real comforting either...

I was under the impression that the whole James Thrash #3 receiver last year was just to give the guy a legitimate shot because he is such a workout warrior

Let me be the first to say the experiment failed miserably... Thrash was a non factor

Posted by: BenchCampbell | May 4, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

ruth be told, they have one of the worst offensive lines in football. Big Ben was sacked a ton of times last year. But don't let facts get in the way of your argument....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

I've told you a million times not to exaggerate. Speaking of facts, Ben is infamous for holding onto the ball too long, and while the OLine wasn't one of the best if certainly wasn't "one of the worst offensive lines in football."

Posted by: TheCork | May 4, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Pioli and Reese..... last 2 Drafts 70 percent starters.. Vinny/snyder last 2 Drafts 5-10 per cent starters (Horton)
I know, tell us something we dont know..
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Tomorrow I'll use the list of all pro players that Scott Pioli missed in drafts. Wednesday, the ones that the Giants passed up. Yadda yadda.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 4, 2009 12:09 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | May 4, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Ahh, I remember that draft. We passed on Boldin once for another WR, why should we get him now? Remember that second round in 2003?

12 (44) Washington: Taylor Jacobs, WR, Florida
22 (54) Arizona: Anquan Boldin, WR, Florida State
24 (56) N.Y. Giants: Osi Umenyiora, DE, Troy State


Where is Taylor Jacobs now? Maybe we should give him a call!

Drafted, as I recall, at the insistence of Steve Spurrier. Ah, the Ol' 'Ball Coach, the gift that keeps on giving . . .

Posted by: rbpalmer | May 4, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

And when the Eagles got him, didn't they try to make him a #1 receiver? Or was it #2? He didn't work out, and that says more about the Eagles judgement on WRs than it does about Thrash.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 4, 2009 12:06 PM

Yup. And that's what mystifies me. In his first stint here, Thrash was a special teamer and a solid #3 guy. If you try to pass him off as more than that, your passing offense will suffer. If you play him in that limited role, he's as good as there is. Right now he's clearly lost a step (or two), but is still one of the smartest players on the field and is a solid contributor on special teams.

And glad we're on the same page now BC. But the thing to remember is that potential doesn't get you very far, production does.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 4, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Where is Taylor Jacobs now? Maybe we should give him a call!


Posted by: rbpalmer | May 4, 2009 12:19 PM

I'd rather call Taylor Dayne to play WR than that slappie...

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 4, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

What's the word on the young rookie WR from Nebraska, Eloi?"

Eaten by morlocks.

Posted by: Samson151

Nice.
If only the morlocks had better footwork we could use them on our oline.

Posted by: will_ga | May 4, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

No, but a true genius like you would have realized the reason they're looking for talented gunners was because this job was handled last year by Justin Tryon and it was another assignment that he was not good at.

Posted by: talent_evaluator

And a true Genius like YOU would realize teams have two gunners on most punts. But we can agree about Tryon, Once he was forced so far out of bounds an usher wouldn't let him back on the field without a ticket.

Posted by: TheCork | May 4, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

That's a laugh. I've read this "public humiliation" crap in a couple of places, and I think it is exactly backwards. Campbell was pure class throughout the Cutler/Sanchez shabingus. The only people who were "humiliated" were Cnyder and Serrato who once again revealed their impetuous, live-for-the-moment style of building a football franchise.

Posted by: talent_evaluator

When you're right, you're right,. And it happens infrequently enough that it's nice to point out.

As always, we kid because we love..

Posted by: TheCork | May 4, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

benchcampbell: "Santanna Moss #1 receiver and rightly so 08 stats 79 receptions over a 1000 yards and 6 TDs Age 29
Antwan Randle El #2 receiver by default
53 receptions 593 yards and 4 TDs Age 29
James Trash #3 receiver (garbage)9 receptions 81 yards 1 TDs Age 34 Cut him loose"

Interesting claim. For fun, let's compare the Skins with the top 3 WRs last year for our beloved division rivals.

NY Giants
Steve Smith 57 574 yards 10.1 avg 1TD
Amani Toomer 48 580 yards 12.1 avg 4TD
Domenic Hixon 43 596 13.9 avg 2TD

(Nope, Plax Burress wasn't top 3. He had 35 for 454, 13.0 yard average, and 4 TDs)

Phila Eagles
DeSean Jackson 62 912 yds 14.7 2TD
Hank Baskett 33 440 13.3 3TD
Kevin Curtis 33 390 11.8 2TD

Dallas
Terrell Owens 69 1052 15.2 10TD
Patrick Crayton 39 550 14.1 4TD
Roy Williams 19 198 10.4 1TD

Redskins
Santana Moss 79 for 1044 yds,13.2 avg, 6 TD
Randle El 53 for 593 yds, 11.2 avg, 4 TD
Devin Thomas (not Thrash): 15 rec 120 yds, 8.0 avg, 0 TD

Somehow the Skins just don't look all that pathetic when you put them in that light. Of course, Washington and Dallas threw more to the tight end, and Philadelphia & NY threw a lot to the RB, but what BenchCampbell claimed was about the top 3 receivers, and the numbers don't back it up.

Looking at Dallas, however, it's hard to believe the Boys let go of Owens, no matter how odd he is.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 4, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

"12 (44) Washington: Taylor Jacobs, WR, Florida
22 (54) Arizona: Anquan Boldin, WR, Florida State
24 (56) N.Y. Giants: Osi Umenyiora, DE, Troy State "

I prefer to look at it as there were 31 other teams as dumb as the Skins.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 4, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

The redskins draft three pass catchers in 2008, and in 2009, is trying out various replacements at the position.

Go figure.

I'm still trying to figure out what they didn't see in Torry Holt and the 61 catches he had last year with the rams.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 4, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

"Pioli and Reese..... last 2 Drafts 70 percent starters.. Vinny/snyder last 2 Drafts 5-10 per cent starters (Horton)
I know, tell us something we dont know.."

Boy, this one smells like fish poop, don't it? My guess is there's some cherry-picking of stats involved.

Last year's much-maligned Skins rookie class produced only two starters: Horton 11, Devin Thomas 1. Total 12 starts. Pretty miserable.

Scott Pioli's 7 NE rookies, by contrast, produced a grand total of 3 rookies who got starts: Mayo (all 16), DB Wheatley (1 start), and DB Jon Wilhite (4).

NY's Reese drafted 7 who between got 3 starts (Ken Phillips); and 2 starts each (Brian Kehl and Terrell Thomas).

So Pioli wins. Basically because of Mayo. That NY draft doesn't look all that productive, does it? Well, it's early yet.

So we look at the 2007 class. The Skins had only 5 choices in that one, and got 2 starters out of it: Landry, who's full-time, and HB Blades, wno in 08 had 5 starting appearances.

Not too bad, considering they had no choices in rounds 2-4.

Pioli had 9 picks in 07, and out of those got one full-time starter (Brandon Meriwether), who had 11 starts. The other 8 had, in their second season, no starts.

I must have miscounted. No starts? Somebody check my work, please.

Reese had the best draft in recent memory in '07; five of his 8 picks played roles in the Super Bowl victory. 3 became full-time starters in their second year. A terrific class. Vinny just had that one All-Pro and Blades, who'll probably start this season.

So if Pioli and Reese are the two best draftniks in the NFL, then that would seem to make Vinny -- not a complete idiot?

Can't be possible.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 4, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

So if Pioli and Reese are the two best draftniks in the NFL, then that would seem to make Vinny -- not a complete idiot?

Can't be possible.

Posted by: Samson151

Vinny's draft picks haven't been talentless bums (though the 2008 class looks pretty bad so far). The issue isn't the lack of ability to see talent. Its the inability to understand needs and risks.

Looking at the draft is pretty simple. If you see holes 2 years out, draft to fill those needs. It was apparent to me in 2006, that by 2008, our OL would be pretty old. Its hard to predict a lot of things. Predicting someone's age ... not so hard.

So the Skins should have started drafting OL then.

But what have they done in the last 3 drafts?

Of the 20 picks, exactly 1 OL (Reinhart)

and they've taken 3 tight ends that we didn't need

When you put a team on the field, you have 11 starters on offense and 11 on defense. 5 of those starters are OL -- or 23%. Roughly 1/4 picks should be an OL.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 4, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

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