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Skins by the Numbers

Believe it or not, the Redskins actually moved up in total offense, from 14th to 13th, on the basis of that seven-point performance. The Skins picked up a bunch of yards in garbage time, and moved up. These ratings are based solely on yards, and points don't factor in.

The Redskins are fifth in rushing and 20th in passing. Jason Campbell remains ranked first in fewest interceptions, but the Skins have slipped to 23rd in sacks allowed per pass play. And, most importantly, in points per game the Skins are 28th.

The Redskins have scored on just 76 percent of their trips to the red zone, worst in the NFL. Jason Campbell is 12th in the NFL with an 87.8 passer rating, tucked between Brett Favre and Jay Cutler. Clinton Porti ranks second in rushing yards (1,228), behind Adrian Peterson. Chris Cooley is ninth in the NFL in receptions and Santana Moss is 12th in receiving yardage.

Washington's defense slipped to sixth overall after yielding over 400 yards Sunday. They are seventh against the run and seventh against the pass. But they are just 29th in sacks per pass play. The Skins rank 21st in points-per game differential, which doesn't make them look like a playoff team.

They are now plus-2 for the season in takeaway ratio. Their three fumble recoveries are tied for the fewest in the NFL. And their 14 takeaways are tied for the third fewest in the league. Only two teams have committed fewer turnovers than Washington's 12, Miami and the Giants.

That's what might be most troubling of all about this offense. The Redskins have yet to put an offensive player on IR all season. Of the regular starters on the offensive line, only Chris Samuels has missed a start because of injury, and that was a single game against what could turn out to be the worst team in NFL history. And that's it. No other offensive starter has even missed a game. That's amazing.

Then factor in that the Redskins have protected the football about as well as anyone in the NFL, and went like the entire first half of the season without an offensive turnover - and their lack of depth has never even really become an issue - and yet you are still left with this output on that side of the ball.

I figured this team would win five-to-eight games, that they would lose an offensive lineman or two given the injury history there. I also figured they would turn the ball over more (Campbell fumbled 13 times in 13 games last year). Their health and lack of turnovers went a long way to winning some of those close games against the dregs of the league, but against better competition like Dallas, Pittsburgh and the Giants, it has not been nearly enough.

By Jason La Canfora  |  December 1, 2008; 5:50 PM ET
 
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Comments

...First We need some offensive variety...

Posted by: bobeaston | December 1, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

FIRST of all let me say I don't give a rat's A$$ about stats other than W's and L's. So far, we have 7 W's and $ L's.

Posted by: cosomfla | December 1, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

...I think JZ started to get a little 'full of himself' with the quick start --- the slide started with the Mayne event on 'HipHipHooray' prior to the Rams game... perhaps JZ also started to feel obligated to showcase his brilliance rather than just playing winning FB... the 'Skins got off message & off-track...

Posted by: bobeaston | December 1, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

We must be the team with the most yardage that produces the littlest points. (don't think littlest is a word, o well)

Posted by: rachel216 | December 1, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

**** FF ****

My 2 game playoff roster (if I make it)
qb P Rivers vs Oak, KC
rb D Williams vs TB, Den
rb L White vs Cle, Hou
rb C. Taylor vs Det, Ari
wr R Wayne vs Cin, Det
wr Fitzgerald vs StL, Minn
TE O Daniels vs GB, Tenn
D/T Packers vs Hou, Jax
K Bryant vs Car, Atl
HC Pats vs Sea, Oak

Except for the TE, I have pretty good matchups for the guys I have going. Williams vs TB could be a problem.

But my concern is Rivers. 2 of his last 3 games were ugly -- single digits.

***** end FF post *****

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 1, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

I'll consolidate...

Devin Thomas finally gave us the "flash" of potential people up here had been looking for.

JC taking too much bashing. #12 rated passer, and as others have pointed out, suffers from WR to OL time ratio. Don't blow up the team, he'll be fine.

Reverse to Thomas and ARE to Cooley are gadget wrinkles as opposed to the missed fades, dropped passes, and sleepy PA penetration. Execution.

Springs + Hall= #24 catching


Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 1, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

as in pitching and catching, he owes him

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 1, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

"The Redskins have scored on just 76 percent of their trips to the red zone, worst in the NFL."

-that's frightening, and that's the biggest reason we don't score points, we kick the field goal and Suisham misses it.

Posted by: rachel216 | December 1, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

+++OL is the biggest area of concern. Center in the first round, OG/OT in the second round before D is even considered IMO.
also big DOH to myself about the trade Collins thing. I remember making this mistake last year too.

Posted by: TheTruth11+++


Give yourself another great big “DOH” for not knowing/remembering that the second rounder was given away to Miami for Jason Taylor. Also, almost no one drafts a center in the first round.

But I agree the OL is in dire straights.

Posted by: TheCork | December 1, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse


Does anyone else remember that Zorn said he kept last year's running attack?

The trouble with last year's running attack--or any other Gibbs 2.0 running game--was that it wasn't being blocked by Hogs, but by minihogs.

This is NOT a power running line. It's no surprise the good defenses don't bend or break and the people getting beat up the most are the Redskin runners.

Also, there IS no deception in the run game. No fakes, no counter-trey step and an OL not capable of jamming the ball down a decent defense's throat.

Posted by: TheCork | December 1, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins do not win in the trenches on either side of the ball. They cannot keep Jason from being sacked and they cannot sack the opposing QBs enough during the course of a game.

This O-line gets beat even when they have numbers defending a pass rush from the opposing team. How many times this year have we seen 4 D-linemen beat 5 Redskin O-linemen?

The front 4 can't put any significant and sustained pressure on any QB faced this year. The defense can't get to the opposing QB when they bring the house.

Coach Zorn’s scheme is not the problem. The problem is obvious. The Redskins loose the overall battles on both sides of the line of scrimmage. Until they turn it around in these two areas, they will probably not win any more games this season.

Posted by: eazygreedy | December 1, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

I guess is it pretty obvious when a rookie WR isn't ready to play or hasn't memorized routes? Either way, it seems like there should be some way to adjust, be it giving them simple routes, maybe even creating new easy routes, or working to develop them more on & off the field. If Zorn has to dumb-down playcalling for them, so be it, another way to play to the strengths of the team. What we've been doing, relying on a few veterans, isn't working.
Sure Thomas, Kelly, & Davis are probably partly to blame for their lack of playing time, but is coaching to take some blame as well?

Posted by: Josh7 | December 1, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

That the post on JC by JLC was really good and balance. That's the type of posting that made this blog so great. A balance report and pointing out the negative without the hate involved. This post as well was very good. Thank you sir very well done.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | December 1, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

The only problem I see with the Redskins offense is an inability to not shoot themselves in the foot every offensive posession. Its not the scheme, and its not the play calling. If a receiver is not dropping a pass that hits him in the hands, another one is lined up incorrectly. A lineman jumps the snap count or gets beat like a drum to give up a hurry/sack, or another one gets flagged for holding in the desperate attempt to save JC after having been just beaten like a drum. Its always something, its the players' fault, and its inexcusable.

Professional football players SHOULD be able to catch balls that hit their hands, stay onsides, and line up correctly. Players who have lost a step need to be replaced, but that won't happen this year.

If its up to me, Moss, Thomas and Kelly start next year, ARE MIGHT hold a roster spot if you can't get a 4/5 guy to run him out, and Jansen, Yoder, Thrash, Kendall are gone. Thomas and Samuels need to get it together, and if its close in camp next year, they can start the new season on the sideline backing up young guys who can grow together into a dominant line. The entire line in its present state has seen its best days. Its obviously too late to blow it up this year, but young studs starting upfront are the most important medicine this team needs. If we have to take a few lumps early as they get their crap together, so be it. Offensive line play LARGELY defines super bowl quality offensive teams.

I think Thomas and Kelly will actually perform better if they don't have the pressure of having to play PERFECTLY to get on the field for more than a few plays a game. If they are the starters without fear of coming out, they can just relax and catch the damn ball. ARE?? Dude has been around the block WAAAAYYYYY too many times to be dropping the balls that he ROUTINELY drops. Good bye to him and his big salary cap hit, too.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 1, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Cork, I'd say that we've been making defenses bend, we just have trouble breaking them-thus 13th in yardage vs tied for last in TDs.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 1, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

That is to say, if you have a handful of half-way decent students who are all failing, often the teacher's at least partly to blame. That & Zorn seemed to be dissing these guys from day 1 in the preseason.

Posted by: Josh7 | December 1, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

I agree he has to make changes to that O line and no way Jasen is the starter next year.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | December 1, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

The only problem I see with the Redskins offense is an inability to not shoot themselves in the foot every offensive posession.

ARE MIGHT hold a roster spot if you can't get a 4/5 guy...
Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe
---------
That's otherwise known as a lack of execution, and Moss is our 4'5" guy...

I agree about the ARE drops and Jansen, Thrash, and Kendall, but until our rook Davis shows he can be a consistent blocking TE, Yoder is the man. But the idea of benching Samuels for a young dude, no matter how studly, is ridiculous. He's playing on one leg and is still our best OL

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 1, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

This may have been reported before (I actually had to work and could not keep up with all the blogging today) but I just heard that Shawn Springs has aggravated his calf again and will not play on Sunday...may be out for other games as well.

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 1, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Funny, he looked fine on the pass deflection against Hall...

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 1, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Yesterdays game was the same thing we have seen the last 3 weeks-TERRIBLE. Why is Thrash even out there? JC throws to him maybe twice a game a he still cant catch the damn ball. Why are we still throwing 2 yards short of the first down on third downs. ARE dropped the ball yes, but it was still short of the first down AGAIN. We are so predictable! Its sucks going to work on mondays after a performance like that from my beloved Skins. Hey, I think I feel a little better.

Posted by: Ohioskin | December 1, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Watching Zorn meeting with the press. JLC asked a really good question about JC. Very well thought and some key points.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | December 1, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Zorn just stated that the miss field goal was on the kicker. Not on the snapper or the holder but it was just a bad kick.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | December 1, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Not to be picky jlc,but Heyer was the starting rt. for the first few games of the season(when the team was actually scoring atleast a few points a game),so yes the o-line has had an injury..and i do believe that he should be the starter once again..


and as far as by the numbers...why is it all about the point they score on offense,but all about the stats(lack of sacks and turnovers)and not about the POINTS that they give up on deffense?

Posted by: jumbo5383 | December 1, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

**** FF ****

My 2 game playoff roster (if I make it)
qb P Rivers vs Oak, KC
rb D Williams vs TB, Den
rb L White vs Cle, Hou
rb C. Taylor vs Det, Ari
wr R Wayne vs Cin, Det
wr Fitzgerald vs StL, Minn
TE O Daniels vs GB, Tenn
D/T Packers vs Hou, Jax
K Bryant vs Car, Atl
HC Pats vs Sea, Oak

Except for the TE, I have pretty good matchups for the guys I have going. Williams vs TB could be a problem.

But my concern is Rivers. 2 of his last 3 games were ugly -- single digits.

***** end FF post *****

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 1, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

I have Rivers,and Wayne,and they have been killing me,so don't trust them

Posted by: jumbo5383 | December 1, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

I like Zorn, and he obviously knows more about football than me, but I think coaches sometimes have trouble seeing the forest from the trees, in continuously saying its execution over and over ignores that this Oline has like a collective 60 years of experience and its not like Joe Bugel suddenly forgot how to coach an Oline.

Perhaps, and this is just logic talking here, but perhaps guys who are 10 year vets, didn't suddenly forget how to block or that their so confused by schemes that they don't know what to do, maybe its that they're old and are just getting beat because they don't have it anymore.

It'd be one thing if Geisenger, Rhinehart, and Heyer were starting on our line, then ok I could understand the "we need to execute better" but to say that about this oline is just the same wishful thinking Snyder/Gibbs/Ratto have been thinking for years, if we just could stay healthy, if we could just avoid the mental mistakes, or if we could just execute better......at some point you might have to admit maybe we just aren't good enough...

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 1, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Jasno's last 3 posts might have been his best work ever on this blog.

To the Campbell-bashers: seriously, just stop. Besides Flacco and Ryan, name me two rookie QBs that made an impact over the past 10 years. You're just lucky that two exceptions to the rule happen to have debuted this year, otherwise you'd have no support for this absurd argument.

Do you realize that Campbell has a 90 QB rating at this point during the season? And just think: he's done this with an aging, over-the-hill O-line, a beat-up RB and one game-breaking WR who is extremely inconsistent. Not to mention yet another new offense with new terminology that might explain the occasional slow decision-making you're sniping about.

I'll tell you what the Ravens have that the Redskins don't: a talented o-line, speed/depth at RB, and WRs (Mason, Clayton, Heap etc) who consistently get open and catch the ball. Ryan has one of the best O-lines in football, an offensive line guru coach named Alex Gibbs, and two WRs (Jenkins and White) who can consistently get open more than 20 yards down the field on the rare occasion that they have to.

So no, Campbell will not be in the "elite company" of Flacco and/or Ryan until the Redskins build a TEAM around him. Football is the ultimate team sport, and none of the greatest QBs of the past 30 years would have done anything without a talented o-line at the very least. Not every QB was a rah-rah guy (Montana and Elway certainly were not), so I don't buy the "demeanor" argument either.

The last time Favre playd on a team this weak, he led the league in interceptions and horrendous passes for 2 years and people were calling for him to retire. As the Pack's young players developed, his numbers "miraculously" improved. So it's time for you to realize that the Redskins' most glaring deficiency is hope for the future -- as in young players that might actually develop into superstars, especially along both lines.

Hopefully I'm wrong, and those linemen are already on the roster. But I'm not holding my breath.

Posted by: jcabana | December 1, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

The Skins are in a rebuilding mode right now and have been since the end of last season. They are anxiously waiting for the uncapped year to come around where they can dump some of these insane contracts. They only have to wait 12 more months. If there is not a new CBA by the end of 2009, 2010 is the uncapped year and the shedding will begin. There is a reason why the Skins decided to go draft heavy last year. Outside of the 2nd round pick they dumped for Taylor, they will probably go draft heavy again in 2009. I think the Skins are looking for the uncapped year to cut a lot of the deals that they have renegotiated to create cap room. If this happens, all of the players that they have at high numbers are likely to get chopped and then renegotiated down. They are going to be looking to redo the lines so with all of the lineman they have right now on both sides of the ball, I can see the Skins bringing a draft infusion over the next few years to replace these guys come 2010. In 2010, Samuels will be in his 11th season, Janson will be in his 13th if he's still around. Kendall and Fabini will be gone and Thomas could be out as well. I could see them drafting tackles the next two years early. They already replaced the WRs this year. They have the QB and pretty much have the corners and the safetys. The draft next year will be lineman heavy with looking to add some linebackers. Portis contract is basically guaranteed to 2010 so he will be there along with Betts. Moss and Randle El will be gone with a receiving corps of Thomas, Kelly and Cooley with Davis as the backup. They will probably resign Campbell and that takes care of the offense. On the defense, by 2010, Taylor will be gone, maybe next year he's gone, Griffin will be out as well, Carter may be gone as well. Daniels will be gone next year. Fletcher will be gone in 2010 as will Washington but Washington might be out next year. Bottom line, each of the guys I have listed could reasonably be cut and that's a lot of money to purge from the roster. The uncapped year makes it possible which is why I don't see the Skins as one of the teams that is real excited about coming to and agreement on a new CBA. This would be their version of a get out of jail free card. I don't think they are looking at the potential of an uncapped year as an opportunity to go out and sign some high priced new talent as much as an opportunity to drop some high priced, fading talent from the books.

Posted by: JWPinCHI | December 1, 2008 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Sorry...that last post had been on my chest since this morning.

I think the Redskins should sign DeAngelo Hall to a long-term incentive-laden contract, let Springs go (sorry Lisa) and re-sign Campbell to a long-term contract. The bigger problems (the lack of turnover-generation and offensive production) will only be overcome with better personnel in the trenches and better coaching, but the personnel are the bigger issue.

Posted by: jcabana | December 1, 2008 8:07 PM | Report abuse

I'm predicting that at the end of the year there will be a showdown between Zorn and the front office over the offensive coordinator. The front office will want to pick up one of the head coaches that's just been fired to be an OC and take some of the pressure off Zorn. Zorn will want to stick with what's not working -- Stump Mitchell. I guess I'm of the mind that if it's broke, fix it.

And the special teams coach will not be here next year. Plus Buges will be gone. Not sure what he's done to make the O line better this year.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 1, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse

JWPinCHI, that's some insightful stuff. It never even occurred to me to look at things that way, but what you're saying makes quite a bit of sense.

I always regarded this last WR-heavy draft as an attempt to replace Moss and ARE early, and I actually applauded the team for thinking ahead for once. I neglected to look at the bigger picture -- all the other positions, and the uncapped year that may come soon. This might explain why they neglected the lines yet again: they figured they could hold on for 1-2 more years before dropping some of the overpaid/underproducing starters.

Posted by: jcabana | December 1, 2008 8:14 PM | Report abuse

I diagree wth te and others about Coach Bugel. What is so wrong with Joe Bugel, despite his age? He is still the best offensive line coach in the leaue. You know, experience is a good thing.

Posted by: captjim | December 1, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Damn JWPinCHI. Great post. I haven't look at the cap from that view point.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | December 1, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

I diagree wth te and others about Coach Bugel. What is so wrong with Joe Bugel, despite his age? He is still the best offensive line coach in the leaue. You know, experience is a good thing.

Posted by: captjim | December 1, 2008 8:15 PM

Look at the way his lines play. Why hasn't he replaced Jansen with Heyer? Why hasn't he gotten anything out of Rinehart? If he's "still the best" -- which I seriously doubt -- then it would be a good thing for him to go out on top.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 1, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

jcabana, I'm not bashing campbell and I don't think there is anybody on the roster that should take his place. IF he struggles the rest of the way and especially against San Fran and Cincy's terrible defenses then they should bring in some competition for him, one of those potential competitors is playing tonight, Rosenfels could be a great backup/potential competition, again IF and only IF JC struggles the rest of the way, if he throws less than 15 TD's in an entire season that aint good.

but to your question:

McNabb
Brees
Brady
Pennington (playoffs rookie year)
Cutler
Peyton
Roethlisberger

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 1, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

JWPinCHI, I'm with the others who are complimenting you on that post. Good work. But I also think that if they can free up the cap space then they're going to buy some players with the money. They just don't have enough picks to fill all the vacancies that they'll create.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 1, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: JWPinCHI | December 1, 2008 8:03 PM | Report abuse

They only have 4 picks in this draft, so kinda hard to go "draft heavy". But sure, there's nobody in the league praying harder for an uncapped year more than Snyder, that's the only way he'll ever be a dominant team, if he's Washington Yankees buying all the talent he's got a shot, if he has to play by the same rules as all the other franchises though he'll never consistently win, cause he doesn't get it.

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 1, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

TE:

I agree there will be a number showdowns between Zorn and Vinny. I think their relationship is one to watch going forward....I see trouble.

Bugel is fine, he is in charge of the running game, can't hate on that.

Posted by: chrislarry | December 1, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

JWPinCHI interesting points but I think they can make moves this offseason to clear space for FA if they wanted. From earlier posts today, it seems that the skins can purge say Springs, Washington, Jansen, not sign JT and carve $15 - 20 mill in cap this offseason and next without necessarily waitng for the uncapped year.

Posted by: TWISI | December 1, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse

chrislarry, I think its already started, remember Vinny going on his show monday morning saying Brooks would be cut and a new punter signed, and then that afternoon Zorn said "we'll take a look at some punters but we're not just going make a move to make a move, we have to make sure the guy were signing is better than the guy we're cutting."

I remember thinking where was that the last few years, we've made a lot of Vinny knee jerk moves instead of taking time to evaluate if we were improving or even making the best choice out of what's available.

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 1, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Maybe it's not his call who starts and who plays? I can't answer that - maybe a question for Zorn?

I think a healthy Samuels (our best o-lineman) would surly make a big difference. Also, our running game is one of the best in the League - one of our few bright spots - due to o-line play AND CP.

And although our passing blocking needs to be improved - a bit of improved play calling might also help. If the othe team knows what play is coming they have an advantage. If the other team knows your receivers can't beat them downfield that allows them to blitz more.

Coach Bugel has been with the Skins forever and every coach and player has always sung his praises. So what has changed to warrant his being let go at the nd of the season?

Posted by: captjim | December 1, 2008 8:33 PM | Report abuse

yeah I concur, Vinny and Zorn are not BFFs.

Posted by: chrislarry | December 1, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Rosenfels could be a great backup/potential competition,

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 1, 2008 8:22 PM

Rosenfels has played in five games this year. He has 5 TDs and 9 INTs. Why not Patrick Ramsey if that's your idea of giving Campbell some competition?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 1, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Buges is a legend, and still has it....he stays as long as he wants the job.

Posted by: chrislarry | December 1, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

From earlier posts today, it seems that the skins can purge say Springs, Washington, Jansen, not sign JT and carve $15 - 20 mill in cap this offseason and next without necessarily waitng for the uncapped year.

Can't cut Jansen he'd cost over $15 mil to cut and 8ish just to play, and JT is already signed but can be cut for no penalty since he was a trade. so you'd save 8.5 mil there.

the cuts should be:
James
Taylor
Griff
Marcus
Springs

That saves you over $20 mil, plenty of room to resign Hall, Rogers, and Evans then sign Haynesworth, Peppers, Dansby, and Engram and then draft all Olineman.

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 1, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

yeah I concur, Vinny and Zorn are not BFFs.

Posted by: chrislarry

lol

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | December 1, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

CL--

I guess I'm persuaded by Cork's assessment of the run game above: "there IS no deception in the run game. No fakes, no counter-trey step and an OL not capable of jamming the ball down a decent defense's throat."

The run game was fine in the first half of the year, but it's broken now. Look at that play yesterday where they couldn't make a yard on fourth and one. Clinton got stuffed and the line, led by Jansen, stood around and watched. Bugel's not getting much out of these guys.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 1, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 1, 2008 8:22 PM

Rosenfels has played in five games this year. He has 5 TDs and 9 INTs. Why not Patrick Ramsey if that's your idea of giving Campbell some competition?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 1, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

yeah, and he's thrown for almost 1300 yds in 5 games and has been pressing a lot cause their defense is nowhere near as good as ours. I'm not saying he's a pro bowler, I'm just saying he's good enough to press JC, he's better than Collins and he could be a starter if JC doesn't progress, you watch him tonight, you'll see, he's a darn good QB, he's had some two of which I saw and they bounced of his WR and went straight to a defender (the Baltimore game in which he had four of his picks and Baltimore leads the league in picks) those types of things aren't on the QB. he's averaging roughly 50 yards a game more than JC

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 1, 2008 8:41 PM | Report abuse

TE: You were persuaded by cork? Didnt the running game win the seattle game? And Rosenfels is a solid QB. Turn on MNF...TD/INT ratio now 6/9....

Posted by: chrislarry | December 1, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, but that play call was less thn stellar. There was only 1 player ever on the Skins who you could line up in the backfield by himself so that everyone knew he was going to run it - #44. And even he had the counter trey. At least mix it up some! Sam and Sonny were talking about how they need to get Sellers more involved - I agree. His big and plays hard.

Posted by: captjim | December 1, 2008 8:48 PM | Report abuse

The only problem I see with the Redskins offense is an inability to not shoot themselves in the foot every offensive possession. ...

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | December 1, 2008 6:41 PM

There was a receiver on NYG who had a similar problem ... inability to not shoot himself in the leg every (ALLEGED!) possession ... of a gun.

Posted by: dcsween | December 1, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

There was a receiver on NYG who had a similar problem ... inability to not shoot himself in the leg every (ALLEGED!) possession ... of a gun.

Posted by: dcsween | December 1, 2008 8:49 PM

Too harsh, sween. That's probably a one-in-a-thousand sort of thing. I'll bet the dude's been packing for years and has only gotten it wrong once.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 1, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

make that 6/10 hahahahahaha!

Posted by: chrislarry | December 1, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Redskins Insider by the Numbers

Redskins Insider currently ranks first in the league in links to Steinbergs blog. It has become such a concern in the online community that other webmasters are questioning whether the WaPo will simply promote Steinberg to Head Coach- RI since the current regime seems to have problems coming up with newsworthy stories on their own.

Not surprisingly, RI also leads the league in draft pick complaints, judging each and every pick less than one year into their rookie season.

An anonymous source has also told me JLC is being heavily recruited by the National Association for Pessimism to head up their East Coast Division. The deal offered supposedly consists of a Skid Row CD signed by Chris Cooley and two cold pop tarts.

Posted by: fushezzi | December 1, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

yeah but he also has 6 TD's in 6 games, a better pace than JC too, I don't know about you, but I'll take some INTs if we're taking chances and scoring points.


I had no problem with JC's pick against the Gints, at least we're taking a shot downfield. Don't know about you but only 10 TD's in 12 games is not enough.

I'd be fine with 250 yds a game 2 tds, and 1int, at least we'd be scoring points and threatening the D through the air. But we don't even challenge people through the air.

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 1, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

wow that just wasn't funny....

Posted by: chrislarry | December 1, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

And the special teams coach will not be here next year. Plus Buges will be gone. Not sure what he's done to make the O line better this year.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 1, 2008 8:10 PM

Pretty much disagree with this 100%. Both of these guys have their jobs for as long as they are willing to work. Danny Smith is going nowhere ... if anything, he's increased team focus on special teams.

Also, WTFinCHI, maybe the Skins FO would have a big relief if they aren't subject to the cap for dead cap space purposes, but I can't believe they actually planned for that. I'm fairly certain they think they've been operating pursuant to an actual plan over the past few years doing all this contract restructuring. Most of those vet contract problems that magically go away when the CBA goes away also go away fairly simply on their own.

Posted by: dcsween | December 1, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

fushezzi--

Nice post. I'm thinking that Steinberg has some powerful ju-ju on someone at the Post given they way they keep trying to drum up interest in his drivel. I've tried, but I can't find anything of value in his postings.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 1, 2008 9:06 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins are 7-5 good...not 10-2 good. They're okay, pretty good, might-make-the-playoffs-but-probably-not good...but they're not great and the QB ain't the problem. Neither is the RB. Neither is the coach. The WRs could be better...but are Tennessee's WRs any better? No. Their lines are better. Both of them. A lot better.

Wilbon is right on the money. All Skins fans who think otherwise are simply deluding themselves.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | December 1, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

I think I completely agree with JLa and his perspective. You need to give Campbell time. He is a lot better than Ramsay. Remember Brunell at the end? Why do you think Gibbs stuck with him so long? Here we see why. A team that is 7-5. Really only losing to the creme of the league and their own division. They probably should have one of those games back. With that game, the rams, they should be 8-4. 8-4 for a team everyone thought would end up 1-15 when Gibbs retired and left things in the "capable" hands of Vinnie and Danny.

Yes, the offense has a problem. It has had the same problem from day 1. It was just hidden by the ferocious running attack and performances by Clinton Portis. Now Portis had basically burned himself down carrying the team. Its time for Betts to take over as he did in the past for Portis when he was hurt.

Campbell is going to get better. He has made far fewer costly mistakes this year. In other words he isn't losing games by turning the ball over. He needs more work but improvement continues to be constant and impressive. He does need a couple of solid receivers he can rely on in addition to Moss and Cooley. ARE doesn't seem to have that in him.

As far as the OL. Yes Jason there was a critical injury when we compare with last year. The starting right tackle did go down. Is Jansen what he used to be? I don't think so, do you? So people blitz. If there is no one to throw to you run ... and run into blitzers. If you can't find people to throw to in single coverage in the west coast it rapidly becomes least coast.

Even the great Sonny Jurgenson had 3 premium pro bowl caliber reciever when he set his passing marks. And when they weren't open a screen pass to Larry Brown who break those better than many would be seen. And who wants to compare Jason to Mark Rypien. Clearly Campbell is the better talent. It took Rypien 4 years holding a clip board to get into a game. And that only because Schroeder and Williams were off the team.

Could Todd Collins help? It depends. They would have to leave the backs in to block for him. Then who would he end up throwing to. And Colt Brennan!?? Sheesh too much alcohol and other similar substances at games.

In the end Campbell seems like he is going to be a lot better than McNabb, Doug Williams, perhaps even Eli and Peyton, Archie's progeny. Then they will come after him as they did every other good QB the Skins had starting with Sonny.

Posted by: periculum | December 1, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Guess I am in the minority but I do not agree with JWPinCHI at all.

Posted by: Lisa_R | December 1, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

So people blitz. If there is no one to throw to you run ... and run into blitzers.
Posted by: periculum
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I agree with nearly your entire post, but what about the hot reads, the quick-slants and-posts that are designed to beat the blitz and are a staple of the WCO? Believe me I'm all for the MWCO with our running game when healthy, but the routes that come with a 3 step drop are MIA.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | December 1, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, I would love to know your reason for disagreeing with the post?

And I for one enjoy steinbog...

Posted by: chrislarry | December 1, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Wasn't there some kind of 'Deion Sanders Rule' regarding uncapped years and bonus amounts? I vaguely recall some discussion of that a couple of years ago when the CBA was up for renewal.
My recollection is that the rule is in place to keep a team from using uncapped years as a way to get around the cap...

Posted by: daggar | December 1, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

*** FF ***

So far so good for 4th and I in MNF. We get to the playoffs unless Scobee (vs me) or Slaton (vs 4th) has a monster game. Scobee would need to kick about 5FGs (with some long ones in there) and Slaton go for 200 yards and a couple TDs. So far, Scobee missed 1 FG and Slaton has 50 yards and no end zone visits.

As for Jumbo5383 ... yeah Reggie Wayne and Rivers have been a problem. Wayne has been pretty mediocre for about 6 weeks. He has just 1 double digit game ... and that was because of a lucky play on a tipped pass that went for a 60 yard TD. Take out that one play and he's been another Randle El over the past 7 weeks.

*** End FF ***

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 1, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Why does Zorn keep saying they have to take a step back on offense? They haven't exactly been trotting out any game changing ideas. Maybe on 3rd and 7 we will run 5 yard patterns instead of 6. I am liable to break my tv if that continues.

Posted by: JasonLaTempleton | December 1, 2008 10:41 PM | Report abuse

JUST DON'T BET THE RENT MONEY!

Posted by: daggar | December 1, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

SICWIDIT'S TAKE!

1) Stay the course with Campbell, though, I'd take a hard look at Brennan in the pre-season next year. JLAC is correct in that you must stay patient with a young QB in a new system.

2) Dropped passes are killing us!!!! I know Cooley is everyone's favorite Skin, but he's dropped an unusual amount of 3rd downs as has other receivers.

3) PLAY THE ROOKIES!!!!! Who's afraid of James Thrash.

4) No one is afraid of Moss with Randle-El and Thrash. You ain't winning nothing with that trio.

5) Jansen is DONE!

6) Where's Reinhart and Geisinger? If Buges can coach up an undrafted FA from U of M, then he can get Reinhart in there.

7) Although exposed yesterday, I think we hvae a good secondary. In the name of all that is holy, no more Leigh Torrence posts. D'Angelo Hall looks like Darrell Green compared to Torrence.

8) It's talent not scheme. Like it or not Gibbs wanted character guys (Randle-El, Thrash....I want a mutha****ka that can go get the ball, I don't care if he's got on an ankle bracelet living in a halfway house)

9) I trust that Zorn knows QB's and that Brennan is not ready. Todd Collins would literally be evaporated against the Ravens "D".

If we win this week, then all is well...

Posted by: rickyroge | December 1, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

There are many additional rules, some of them highly technical. An example is the so-called "Deion Sanders rule" that was enacted after Dallas owner Jerry Jones gave Sanders a (then-)astronomical $13 million signing bonus, combined with base salaries of the then-minimum salary of $178,000 for the first three years. The new rule states that the first three years of any player's salary must equal the prorated amount of the signing bonus. The intent is to restrict circumvention of the salary cap.


What is the "Deion Sanders Cap Rule?>

Basically, it means that in a contract that extends into an uncapped year (right now, 2007 and beyond), the player's combined salary, roster bonuses and reporting bonuses in all capped years must be equal to or greater than the combined prorated signing bonus allocations in the capped years.

So, using your example – a $7 million signing bonus over seven years -- the combined salary, roster bonuses and reporting bonuses in the first four years must total at least $4 million. If they don't, the difference (up to half of the signing bonus allocations in the uncapped years) is prorated over the first four years of the contract, then credited back in equal portions to the uncapped years. For convenience, let's say that the player in question gets annual base salaries of $900,000 for all seven years. His cap numbers would look like this:

2003 $2 million (incl. $100,000 Deion charge)
2004 $2 million (incl. $100,000 Deion charge)
2005 $2 million (incl. $100,000 Deion charge)
2006 $2 million (incl. $100,000 Deion charge)
2007 $1,766,667 (incl. $133,333 Deion credit)
2008 $1,766,667 (incl. $133,333 Deion credit)
2009 $1,766,666 (incl. $133,334 Deion credit)

Add it all up, and it's $13.3 million, the same as if it had been a straight $1.9 million per season. The only difference is that $400,000 extra was charged in the capped years and credited back in the uncapped years.

Posted by: dante232 | December 1, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

The more I think about the uncapped year in 2010, the more I think that if a team wanted to be a player in free agency, 2009 might be the right time to do it. For example, say the Peppers hits the FA market in 2009 because he wasn't frnachised. Getting him in '09 at (I'm guessing) $10 million per year will be a bargin compared to the amout you'd pay for him in 2010 when the "wealthy" team compete for his services (think cowbiys, pats, giants, skins). By the marquee players getting signed to big contracts, the rate for marginal players would increase as well in 2010 (supply, demand). So I think if the skins were to make a splash in FA 2009 would be the year.

Also a few other things to keep in mind about the uncapped year (source USA Today)

• The top eight playoff finishers from the previous season would be allowed to sign free agents only at the rate at which they lose them.

• Players would need six NFL seasons to be eligible for free agency, rather than four.

• Each team would be allowed to restrict two eligible free agents with "franchise" or "transition" player tags, rather than one.

So there might be less attractive options in FA in 2010 because of these restrictions.

Posted by: TWISI | December 1, 2008 10:53 PM | Report abuse

No doubt the potential uncapped year is playing into the Spaghetti Gang's thinking. It probably should, but I'm not sure how.

First, if the league goes uncapped for one year, its unlikely (according to what I read) that the players will ever let a cap return. While that might seem like a good thing for richer teams, its probably not a good thing for the league. And Danny ought to think about what's good for the league first.

Second, Danny may have the $$$ to handle an uncapped year, but I'm sure his pockets are not as deep as they were not too long ago. The economy has tanked and it sure seems like there are plenty of empty seats at Skins games. I'm guessing the wait list for tix is bit of swiss cheese. When you can get game tix at close to face value during most weeks, the upside of season tix diminishes. Danny's businesses, at least the ones I've heard of, are not doing well.

Third, the jints and cowpukes will have more $$$ than the Skins with their new stadiums. The jints share the stadium cost with the Jets, so thats a huge $$$ advantage. So uncapped would be a long term competitive problem.

Fourth, there is nothing wrong with disciplined spending. Seems to me that businesses do better when they are less 'sloppy'. We've had plenty of 'money first' guys on the Skins. Gibbs purged a lot of that out of the organization and went for character instead. That is the right track.

I'm sure the Spaghetti Gang can't wait to write down Jansen and others that are vastly overpaid and un-cuttable due to cap management. But a more disciplined approach makes sense unless you are on the cusp of being a champion.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 1, 2008 10:54 PM | Report abuse

More on the "Deion Sanders Rule"
http://www.eaglescap.com/deion.html

Posted by: dante232 | December 1, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest1 you make an interesting point about the the Giants & Jets sharing the stadium costs and thus both having more spare change. I wonder if that could end up being the league's solution to getting a team in Los Angeles. Put two teams in Los Angeles, sharing a stadium.

Posted by: dante232 | December 1, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Okaayyy, well, I'm sorry I brought that up.

Posted by: daggar | December 1, 2008 11:00 PM | Report abuse

*** FF ***

Slaton and Scobee both have had good numbers in the 3rd quarter, but they needed great numbers. Slaton cam close with about a 50 yard catch-- worth huge points if he had scored. But alas, the play ended just short of a TD, meaning 4th can breathe easily.

****

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 1, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

dante -- not sure about the LA thing, but its a interesting thought. I do know that the jints and Jets sharing that $1billion or so price tag -- its real $$$. Plus maintenance and ongoing related costs get shared. Rolling the numbers, both the jints and Jets should have an extra $10-25million per year by sharing the venue.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 1, 2008 11:09 PM | Report abuse

4th is now hanging on for dear life. Slaton exploded in the 4th quarter for 2 TD and a tome of yards ... 4th's lead is 5 points with just 2 minutes left ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 1, 2008 11:34 PM | Report abuse

errr that, should have been a 'ton' of yards ... not a tome

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 1, 2008 11:35 PM | Report abuse

**** FF ****
at halftime ... I wrote ...
So far so good for 4th on MNF. He gets to the playoffs unless Slaton has a monster game. Slaton needs to go for 200 yards and a couple TDs. So far Slaton has 50 yards and no end zone visits.
---- update ----
Slaton goes for 180 yards total, including 2 4th quarter TDs. Gets 27 FF points in the 2nd half(!!) for a total of 32 for the game. And he came very close to a 50 yard TD in the 3rd period (stopped at the 2).

But 4th was ahead by 37, so 4th hangs on and is in the playoffs.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | December 1, 2008 11:45 PM | Report abuse

The skins are soft.

Posted by: Brian_P_McConnell | December 1, 2008 11:50 PM | Report abuse

Anyone listen to Vinny getting roasted on 980 today by the fans calling in?? My question is....when does the Director of Player personnel get his rear end blasted too????Remember him?...Scott Campbell?....the guy who everyone thought was the brains behind Vinny's "brilliant draft?"

Posted by: po403 | December 2, 2008 12:24 AM | Report abuse

Nothing personal Jasno, but I will really enjoy the win next week knowing you're a Balimor fan.

(assuming, of course, the skins can regroup and get a win)

Posted by: _Stumped_1 | December 2, 2008 2:52 AM | Report abuse

Careful, Stumped. You're gonna jinx us with your preemptive frusengladje, or whatever it is those crazy Germans say.

Fahrvergnugen, I think.

Posted by: freakzilla | December 2, 2008 3:35 AM | Report abuse

Was I the only one that got depressed tonight watching the Texans run 20 yard button hooks and the the ball WAS THERE as soon as the receiver turned around. Hell, even a 4-7(now 5-7) team can move the ball. I'm tired of hearing lack of execution. If our guys don't know the routes to run by now(5 months)get rid of them. And Campbell needs to let if fly instead of waiting for the receiver to be "open". He needs to trust that his man will be in the right spot when the ball arrives. Take a chance b4 we run out of them.

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | December 2, 2008 4:19 AM | Report abuse

Can't cut Jansen he'd cost over $15 mil to cut and 8ish just to play, and JT is already signed but can be cut for no penalty since he was a trade. so you'd save 8.5 mil there.

the cuts should be:
James
Taylor
Griff
Marcus
Springs

That saves you over $20 mil, plenty of room to resign Hall, Rogers, and Evans then sign Haynesworth, Peppers, Dansby, and Engram and then draft all Olineman.

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 1, 2008 8:36 PM |

Jansen will cost you 6.4 mill. to cut I posted a list of what it will cost to get rid of each player.

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 2, 2008 6:50 AM | Report abuse

When Zorn says that he has to dial back the offense because of the rookies it irks me to hear that. Here is the reason why. Zorn did not have a playbook written until training camp started, so everyone was basically on the same learning curve. Perhaps some had the benefit of one or two mini camps, but the playbook was still being developed until training camp. So, our draft pick receivers seem to be real slow at picking up the basic thing that every player in junior high on up has to do: study the plays. To me that is a problem with attitude, the kind of attitude that says you do not come into camp in decent shape. This is something that our college scouts should have evaluated before the draft, problably other teams did note this and hesitated on picking these guys because of it. Does attitude make a difference? Hmmmm, I faintly remember a certain receiver that we wasted a high draft pick on in a trade with San Francisco. Thank goodness that Jason Campbell has the attitude to try to be the best at his position, because he has ten times more to learn than our young, dumb rookie receivers. Maybe after a couple of years they get it, but for now it has been a wasted season for them and us.

Posted by: driley | December 2, 2008 6:57 AM | Report abuse

I'm tired of hearing lack of execution. If our guys don't know the routes to run by now(5 months)get rid of them.

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | December 2, 2008 4:19 AM

When Zorn says that he has to dial back the offense because of the rookies it irks me to hear that.

Posted by: driley | December 2, 2008 6:57 AM

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Yeah, I'm getting tired of this too. But I wonder how much of this is on the rookies and how much is on the coaches? They've had five months with these guys now and can't even teach them the playbook?

They can't even motivate them to play in a game honoring Sean Taylor? And it wasn't just the rookies on Sunday who weren't motivated. There were lots of slackers out there.

"It's a poor craftsman who blames his tools."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 2, 2008 7:10 AM | Report abuse

They can't even motivate them to play in a game honoring Sean Taylor? And it wasn't just the rookies on Sunday who weren't motivated. There were lots of slackers out there.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | December 2, 2008 7:10 AM

First of all, none of the rookies played with Sean Taylor. And if they don't care about coming to camp in shape and don't care about learning the playbook, it would stand to reason they wouldn't care about a dead guy they never met. Secondly, based on what I've read about the pregame ceremony (I wasn't there and didn't see it on TV), it was a mourning of a life lost too soon instead of a celebration of his life. Had it been more like the latter, it would have helped the Skins emotion on the field. Since it was the former, it was more deflating which is why we saw the flat performace we did. Not making excuses, but I think it lends a different perspective to what we saw Sunday.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 2, 2008 7:38 AM | Report abuse

If we win this week, then all is well...

Posted by: rickyroge | December 1, 2008 10:50 PM

Sicwidit, notwithstanding your point #7, you're putting up some Torrence-level analysis.

Posted by: dcsween | December 2, 2008 7:47 AM | Report abuse

Punter Derrick Frost, cut by the Washington Redskins before the season, has been released by the Green Bay Packers.

I guess we wasn't the only team to think it was a mistake to have Frost on the roster.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | December 2, 2008 7:49 AM | Report abuse

JC is tied for 4th in the most sacked QB with 32 sacks on him.

Posted by: alex35332 | December 2, 2008 7:50 AM | Report abuse

When Zorn says that he has to dial back the offense because of the rookies it irks me to hear that.

Posted by: driley

I watch Zorn on Skins.com. He never said he had to dail back the offense because of the rookies. Not sure where you got that from.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | December 2, 2008 7:52 AM | Report abuse

I watch Zorn on Skins.com. He never said he had to dail back the offense because of the rookies. Not sure where you got that from.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | December 2, 2008 7:52 AM | Report abuse


It was sort of hinted at in Jasno's post yesterday.

JM, I'm with you on Frosty. Brooks was a miserable failure but based on Frost's body of work over 2+ seasons, it was a gamble worth taking.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 2, 2008 8:05 AM | Report abuse

In the NFL you win with the best players, period. What would Mona Lisa look like if all the "tools" he had were his fingers? The tools do make a difference. The coaches are all pretty close in ability and training.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | December 2, 2008 8:10 AM | Report abuse

It was sort of hinted at in Jasno's post yesterday.

JM, I'm with you on Frosty. Brooks was a miserable failure but based on Frost's body of work over 2+ seasons, it was a gamble worth taking.

Posted by: Original_etrod

I suggest you go to Redskins.com and hear the inteview yourself. Not once did he say that. He said the offense as a hold and the only name he said in his response was JC.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | December 2, 2008 8:11 AM | Report abuse

Here is my shot at welcoming verbal abuse. I say we bench Portis now! Play Betts and Cartwright. Portis has performed heroically this season but it is clear that he has accumulated so much damage that he could not play up to his potential. This system of Portis running til he breaks down is not helping our offensive rhythm. The second back, Betts, has to come in cold and out of rhythm. Start Betts and let him play and run hard. It should be obvious to everyone now that this team is not a passing team, at least not this season. In past playoff runs the Skins have relied on Portis to shoulder the load, but he is not able to do that now. Betts should have fresh legs and he has the ability to bust the big play for a long gain.

If we beat Baltimore it won't be from a 300 yard passing game. Baltimore will eat up our pass blocking line, just like other strong defensive lines have done. I do not trust our chances in the rookie receivers suddenly reversing form and stepping up with big games from out of the blue. Betts, Sellars and Cartwright can handle the load. Save Portis for the emotional lift that he could give the team if he comes in for a fourth quarter drive. Portis would be demoralizing to a defense that is worn down in the fourth quarter, especially if he has fresh legs.

Posted by: driley | December 2, 2008 8:14 AM | Report abuse

Was I the only one that got depressed tonight watching the Texans run 20 yard button hooks and the the ball WAS THERE as soon as the receiver turned around. Hell, even a 4-7(now 5-7) team can move the ball.

No, I'm with ya on all that.

Seems to me the rookie WR's aren't A) smart, or B) motivated to learn the offense, or C) both. Moss is a decent WR, but he's hurt every year and double him and the passing game is almost shut down. Cooley isn't running away from anybody. The saddest part of the offense is wondering what CP could do behind a really good O-line. He would re-write the history books!

Posted by: lsskinsfan | December 2, 2008 8:15 AM | Report abuse

driley,

I'm all for sitting Portis this week. He's falling apart and needs the rest and also Baltimore will key on the run and shut him out like the Gints and Steelers did.

He should not be put on the shelf for the season, however, because I need him for the RI Fantasy playoffs.

Posted by: Original_etrod | December 2, 2008 8:18 AM | Report abuse

orig-e, just because jla hinted at it, doesn't make it true. Ask yourself this, lets say that hypothetically Zorn did say that he's scaling back the offense because of Kelly/Thomas/Davis, you don't think that jla would have been SHOUTING that from EVERY ROOFTOP??

We'd have gotten 28 posts of him beating his chest, and calling for Cerrato's job.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 2, 2008 8:22 AM | Report abuse

beep beep and good morning.

Posted by: CindyBoren | December 2, 2008 8:23 AM | Report abuse

JM220,

This is the quote from Jasno-- "But he wonders if now might be time to strip the offense back a bit, especially with the young wide receivers getting a little more involved, and still getting up to speed."

It is not a direct quote from Zorn as you noted. Does Jason have background information that leads him to make this statement? One assumes so, but once again, you are right in that there is no direct quote to back up the statement. Other statements that Zorn has made regarding the rookies running the wrong routes and being in the wrong places have been noted.

Posted by: driley | December 2, 2008 8:24 AM | Report abuse

torrence torrence(beep beep)

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 2, 2008 8:24 AM | Report abuse

In weighing whether the Giants should jettison Plaxico (Dead-Eye) Burress, sportwwriter David Aldridge writes in _The League_, “The Giants have been incredible at plugging in replacements for their stars the last two seasons. Kevin Boss moved in seamlessly when Jeremy Shockey wore out his welcome; Justin Tuck and Mathias Kiawanuka have assumed the pass-rush dominance of both the retired Michael Strahan and the injured Osi Umenyiora. Does anyone even remember that New York was supposed to have a major problem at left tackle after it released Luke Petitgout in 2007? Oh, that's right; David Diehl moved over from left guard and has stoned D-ends ever since. When you do it that many times, that's not a coincidence. That's people who know personnel.”
What happens when the Redskins lose key personnel? Are the ‘Skins able to plug holes as easily as the Giants have? Can we extrapolate Aldridge’s remarks and conclude the Redskins lack “people who know personnel”? Are you reading this, Vinny? Or are you too busy preparing for your next media appearance?

Posted by: MrMerkin | December 2, 2008 8:24 AM | Report abuse

In the NFL you win with the best players, period.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | December 2, 2008 8:10 AM

I'm glad you're wrong on this...otherwise I'm not so sure the Skins would have 3 Lombardis right now...

This is a coach's league. It's about who's the most prepared and whose personnel is put in the best position to make plays. If your assertion was right the Cowboys would be working on their 2nd straight title right now.

Posted by: brownwood26 | December 2, 2008 8:34 AM | Report abuse

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