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Skins by the Numbers

The Redskins continue to slide to the depths of the NFL in terms of points scored, but fear not, Skins fans, they won't finish last. At least I can't see it happening.

Washington is 29th with 231 points (an average of 16.5 per game). But there is a considerable margin between this club and the other three at the bottom, at least by their standards.

Oakland has 205 points, St. Louis has 189 and Cinccinnati has 174. With a 57-point gap between the Skins and Bengals, the Skins should be safe. The Bengals aren't likely to get to 231 for the season with just two games to play.

The Redskins rank 17th in terms of offensive yardage, but just 23rd in terms of yards per pass play.

Jason Campbell is 16th in the NFL with an 85.2 passer rating (nearly identical to that of Eli Manning). Clinton Portis remains third in the NFL in rushing yardage. His season is nearly identical to that of Thomas Jones, his statistical twin since Portis's trade to Washington in 2004. Both are averaging 4.6 yards per rush, but Jones has more long runs (including a 51-yard TD), and 13 TDs to Portis' seven. Jones has made about $35 million less than Portis since 2004 and it wouldn't have taken a stud corner plus a second-round pick to get him.

By Jason La Canfora  |  December 16, 2008; 11:15 AM ET
 
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+++... When the ENTIRE LEAGUE knows how to defend your team, wouldn't it be PRUDENT to get the ball to SOMEONE ELSE not named Cooley, Portis, or Moss??

BEANS

It's a conspiracy! Zorn is INTENTIONALLY sabotaging his own career by keeping three all star receivers on the bench just to spite Vinny.

Zorn intentionally ignores the terrific trio just to spite Vinny.

I'm sorry, but did you not see Thomas screw up with a penalty that may have cost a game? Didn't you see Kelly collide with Cooley on a critical goal line 4th down? Did Zorn MAKE UP the story about davis' alarm clock? As bad as special teams are, why wouldn't they argue for Davis if he was any good--but no, they don't want him.

Hey, they DID throw it to Kelly, when he ran a fade five yards out of bounds in the end zone.

And most of the time they've thrown it to Thomas he's been covredlike the proverbial blanket.

The last guy made this many excuses is about to leave 1600 PA avenue

Posted by: TheCork | December 16, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

"which if I'm not mistaken was one of our biggest problems that EVERYBODY's been screaming about.

Posted by: Lacantwrite"

You're mistaken. I had a lengthy argument all offseason about how it's not the size of the WR that matters, but the ability of the WR. Moss, Steve Smith, Wes Welker, Lee Evans, Greg Jennings, all "small" guys.

Of course, that argument rings hollow with our FO. Just as the argument of drafting players that you need... (sigh)

Posted by: psps23

Posted by: psps23 | December 16, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

But, can he block......

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 16, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

"The only reason you would trade Moss is if the team had a viable replacement for him on the roster. The Redskins do not have that replacement. That would be equivalent to trading Jason Campbell, and hoping somewhere down the road we could get a QB that would equal his playing ability. Trading Moss does nothing to help this team. How did the Vikings turn out when they traded their own Moss and drafted his "replacement", Troy Williamson?

Posted by: psps23 "

I agree that we probably won't find much better anytime soon if we trade Moss, but say we keep him until he starts to lose steam.

I would be confident to bet that we would have zero NFC East titles and zero Superbowl titles in that time, and maybe 2 playoff appearances at best. It's not so much about the player(s), but the team. We need some hungry players and we need fresh faces. Our franchise has become stale.

Posted by: TheTruth11

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 16, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Jones has made about $35 million less than Portis since 2004 and it wouldn't have taken a stud corner plus a second-round pick to get him.

ouch, so true, so sad

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 16, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Avery was chosen #33, before Thomas at #34.
On the Redskins depth chart, Thomas is behind Moss -- who has been a bit healthier than last year. (Did he even miss a game with his hammie?)
Swap Thomas and Jackson -- give me McNabb as Skins QB and Santana (in place of Kevin Curtis) hurt most of the preseason and into the regular season -- and tell me if you think the numbers might be different.

How Davis is not the #2 TE is a problem, because there is no question to which the answer is "Todd Yoder". But Dallas drafted a TE in the 2nd behind Witten. (And those who argue that Dallas didn't have other needs, let me just say "Roy Williams" -- which now works on both sides of the ball!)

Kelly was hurt. If he went on IR, as he clearly should have, would that have been a "fail" in the draft?

So which argument do you want to make -- that they chose the wrong guys at the right positions, or that they chose the wrong positions?

Posted by: daggar | December 16, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

+++corky, again, I've yet to have this answered, WHY WONT THE ROOKIES GET THE BALL??+++

Because they don't know the patterns. Because they don't know where to line up. Because they don't get open. Because they aren't healthy. Pick one or several.


+++If Davis can be trusted to catch ONE pass for 15 yards last game, why can't they throw the ball to him again during the game??++

Gee, I dunno,maybe because he wasn't open? Maybe because Campbell was on his butt and didn't have time because Vinny drafted receievers instead of linemen?

+++I guess Davis ran a PERFECT ROUTE, that one time, and then never again. Zorn is cutting of his nose to spite his face with these rookies. He refuses to utilize them.++++

I think you're on to something!. Call in the CIA. Get the FBI. it's a conspiracy. Zorn WANTS TO FAIL!!!!

+++Heck, he refuses to utilize Betts, in a more efficient manner, and he refused for most of the year to utilize Sellers either.++++


What exactly is Betts "more efficient manner." Is that NOT fumbling and costing the team the game?

As for Sellers, you mean, what, NOT letting him fumble again and help cost the team the game?

I feel your pain brother, but teams become great with great Front offices, and by that standard, this one is doomed.

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Posted by: TheCork | December 16, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Stop talking trades, not going to happen. The cap rules makes the ability to trade very narrow. Also we wouldnt get value for guy like Santana anyway, worth more for us playing.

Posted by: chrislarry | December 16, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Thank you, we might be able to trade down in the draft to get more picks, and occasionally fringe guys are swapped for conditional picks, but big names rarely get traded in the NFL (unless we're doing the acquiring cause we're that dumb) and nobody is going to take on the contracts the Danny has given these guys. Its cut or stuck that's it.

Posted by: zjfr2 | December 16, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

"I'm sorry, but did you not see Thomas screw up with a penalty that may have cost a game? Didn't you see Kelly collide with Cooley on a critical goal line 4th down? Did Zorn MAKE UP the story about davis' alarm clock? As bad as special teams are, why wouldn't they argue for Davis if he was any good--but no, they don't want him"

Yeah, saw all that stuff. Did you see Cooley fumble last game and the Bengals recover that fumble, and have you seen the rate that Cooley fumbles, compared with other elite tight ends? Did you see Portis fumble against the bengals, and also against the Ravens, which they recovered and ran in for a touchdown??

Kelly collided with Cooley, and ARE caught the TD. Thomas caused that penalty in what the 3rd game of the year?? Davis overslept, in what May, and you're still harping on it?? Whats your point.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 16, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

If Madden ain't 'gushing' over you every single minute, didn't something smells funny........


This post is too self serving....

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 16, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

does DaReal4th = 4th floor?

Posted by: chrislarry | December 16, 2008 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Yes. I forgot my password to get in at work.

So, I guess I have a crazy alter-ego during the day now.......

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 16, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

cHRIsLARRy. yes, it is.

4th -- remember your password, please, it's confusing enough as is. One fake name at a time!

Posted by: daggar | December 16, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

What exactly is Betts "more efficient manner." Is that NOT fumbling and costing the team the game?

As for Sellers, you mean, what, NOT letting him fumble again and help cost the team the game?

How about running Betts MORE, so that at the end of the year, Portis isn't ground down to a nub, how about passing to him more, he's the best pass catching back on the team.
How about passing to Sellers, getting him in space with the ball.

EVERYONE fumbles. Everyone. Even your heroes, from the 1983 team, did. And guess what? When they fumbled you STILL GAME THEM THE BALL, because if we took all the guys who fumbled, Portis, Cooley, Betts, and Sellers, thats limiting the number of guys who can carry the ball.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | December 16, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Trade Portis for a 1st or 2nd round pick, and trade down to later in the first round in the draft for another pick.

That would leave us with potentially 2 first round picks and a second, or a first round pick and two seconds, where we can address needs at O-Line, LB, and D-Line....

Thoughts?

Posted by: mrizzle | December 16, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

That's why we should have kept Marcus Mason.

And if JLaC can keep bringing up Leigh Torrence and the 2006 draft class, I can def bring up Mason and state that we should have traded Ladell when his value was at a all time high 2 offseasons ago.......

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 16, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Trade Portis for a 1st or 2nd round pick, and trade down to later in the first round in the draft for another pick.

That would leave us with potentially 2 first round picks and a second, or a first round pick and two seconds, where we can address needs at O-Line, LB, and D-Line....

Thoughts?

Posted by: mrizzle | December 16, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Portis is untradeabel because of his contract.

Posted by: FloresFan | December 16, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Beep beep

Posted by: Flounder21 | December 16, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Because Portis has such an insane contract, to trade him could we agree to pay some of it? If we have all this cap space why not if it gets us some draft picks?

Posted by: mrizzle | December 16, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

"Trade Portis for a 1st or 2nd round pick, and trade down to later in the first round in the draft for another pick.

That would leave us with potentially 2 first round picks and a second, or a first round pick and two seconds, where we can address needs at O-Line, LB, and D-Line....

Thoughts?

Posted by: mrizzle "

it's literally almost impossible to trade Portis with his huge contract, and no one would give a first and second anyway

Posted by: TheTruth11 | December 16, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

That's why we should have kept Marcus Mason.

Posted by: DaReal4th | December 16, 2008 11:41 AM

HA! I said this a million and one times. The team wouldn't have signed Alexander and he'd be seeing carries right now - like Ward and Bradshaw around this time last year.

He is a free agent right? I know most would question re-sigining him, but if you were abale to watch the preseason games, you'll know why so many people wanted him to stay.

Regardless of who he was playing against, he still looked good running the ball. Should've stayed and had him learning the playbook and giving him reps in practice throughout the season.

Posted by: RedDMV | December 16, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

4th -- remember your password, please, it's confusing enough as is. One fake name at a time!

Posted by: daggar | December 16, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

daggarforpasswordjustice

Posted by: SMACK1 | December 16, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

In regards to the Skins situation at RB, I have some clarifications for you guys.

1. Marcus Mason was cut because the kid really struggles in pass protection. If you mess-up where you are supposed to block OR your technique needs work, that can be worked on. Mason had both problems. He might be one of those backs who is a natural, but can't pick-up the complex stuff. Just a thought.

2. I agree that it would have been great to trade Betts when his value was at its highest, but he was a free agent after that season. And when injuries might have made teams desperate for an RB right before the next season, he was banged-up and so was Portis. They couldn't trade him then.

3. Comparing Portis to Thomas is a fine example of monday morning quarterbacking. At that time, Portis was an up-and-coming star and Thomas was a guy still trying to resurrect his career and avoid the label of 1st round bust. And lets not forget that through the first half of this season CP was a canidate for MVP and that included big days against Dallas and Philly. He also single handedly got the Skins to the playoffs with a big five game run three years ago. I had issues with that trade too, but lets not forget that Portis has been terrific (though not electric) player for this team.

Posted by: SportzWiz | December 16, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

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