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Skins Inactives - No 89 or 53

Marcus Washington (hamsring) is out again. He's missed a lot of games the past two seasons now.

Santana Moss (heel, hamstring) is out again too. This is looking like a lost season for him at a time they really need a WR step up.

Thomas, Boschetti, Macklin, Pucillo and Sampson are scractched.

So Receiver, The is up and will play with Santana out.

Other than that, all quiet. Had a good time throwing them back with DCSween last night. Plan on splurging on the new cds by The Hives and babyshambles this week. Anyone heard either? I could not get into the last Hives album but loved their early stuff; no doubt I like the babyshambles becasue I love their stuff pretty much no matter what.

By Jason La Canfora  |  November 11, 2007; 11:39 AM ET
 
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SKINS BY 40!

Posted by: bangkokben | November 11, 2007 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Eleventy-tooth.

...skins by 40.

Posted by: shuttledik | November 11, 2007 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Damn - Two minutes earlier and I would have started Lloyd on mt fantasy team. I still predict he will score the first TD by a Skins receiver this year.

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 12:03 PM | Report abuse

bigfish,

I kinda got that feeling too. What irony!

Posted by: bangkokben | November 11, 2007 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Receiver will be thrown a deep ball on the first series, 7-0 Skins with less than 5 minutes off the clock!

HTTR

Posted by: tdg0810 | November 11, 2007 12:05 PM | Report abuse

I guess Moss got hurt when Choo Choo was giving dancing lessons. I hope he taught Lloyd how to dance this week too.

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 12:07 PM | Report abuse

The fact that he's starting after being boofed last week - does NOT bode well.

Let's hear it for the running game!

Skins by 40! HAIL!

Posted by: shuttledik | November 11, 2007 12:10 PM | Report abuse

None of ESPN's so called experts are picking the Eagles. Divisional game; go figure.

Skins by 40!

Posted by: bangkokben | November 11, 2007 12:12 PM | Report abuse

time to cut Moss and Washington, they aren't acting like "core guys" and playing hurt.

Posted by: X_1967 | November 11, 2007 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Let the Eagles pass rush come on. Cuz we sure as SJK arent gonna throw the ball. Besides, we're 5-3 with no TD's to WR's so who needs em anyways.

And fish....what the hell is BLloyd doing on ur Fantasy Team brother? Last one left?

HAIL!!!

Posted by: shadam1242 | November 11, 2007 12:15 PM | Report abuse

BTW shadam1242 (like the name Adam..not Saddam Hussien)=skinnyntenny

Posted by: shadam1242 | November 11, 2007 12:18 PM | Report abuse

...a big dose of CP and enuf BL-T to win..

Posted by: bobeaston | November 11, 2007 12:23 PM | Report abuse

He's not on my real fantasy team but I would have started him in the Home Team Challenge league that I play.

Unfortunately I have Kevin Curtis and McNabb on my real fantasy team.

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Can we see McCardell and Caldwell some anyone but b.lloyd

Posted by: noone.from.tampa | November 11, 2007 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Let's see McCardell in the game on as many packages as possible.

Posted by: kreitman4 | November 11, 2007 12:37 PM | Report abuse

So can we consider Macklin a bust? He was brought in here for depth and the only depth he adds is to the inactive list.

Posted by: david | November 11, 2007 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Damn this been a really bad year for Moss.

Posted by: jm220 | November 11, 2007 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Skins by 40!

Posted by: bangkokben | November 11, 2007 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Well let's see the Eagles are 7th against the run and we have no Wr's...hmmm.

Posted by: ezdoesit74 | November 11, 2007 12:46 PM | Report abuse

ARE, Lloyd, McCardell and Cooley will get it done. ARE had one of his best games this year when Moss sat out.

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Skins win 6-3

Posted by: tdskinz | November 11, 2007 12:49 PM | Report abuse

My predictions for the Eagles game;

-Jason Cambell will connect on at least one pass of over 30 yards.

-At least one WR will catch a TD pass.

-Cooley will catch a TD pass.

-Portis will break 100 yards again.

-Sean Taylor will have an INT (he's due).

-Receiver, The will have at least one catch.

-Skins will be kneeling down and running out the clock with a big lead at the end of the game.

Posted by: bigfish | November 8, 2007 11:54 AM

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 12:52 PM | Report abuse

The Eagles blow chunks. We should beat them by 30.

First play- Line up in run formation, play action long down the middle to Lloyd.

This will solve the WR TD situation and let our defense play downhill (go after McNabb on the first play)from the start.

Posted by: X_1967 | November 11, 2007 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Roll call for the game? Eats? Drinks?

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 12:55 PM | Report abuse

They are showing the Packers game her. WTF!!!

Posted by: jm220 | November 11, 2007 12:56 PM | Report abuse

We get the Goose again?

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Siragusa just said what I did. "Don't play close or we'll lose."

Go long!

Posted by: X_1967 | November 11, 2007 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Where's Key Lime?

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 12:59 PM | Report abuse

D gets the test early. Let's Go!!

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 1:03 PM | Report abuse

what a tackle!

Posted by: X_1967 | November 11, 2007 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Nice job covering the trick play on the return.

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Okay I was supposed to be in DC this weekend. I was going to hang out with friends and go see the Boss with FLOOR TIX!
And yesterday I woke up and felt like death had run me over with a Mack Truck full of anvils. Getting on a plane was not an option.

So here I am lying on my sofa wrapped up in blankies galore, feeling considerably better but bitter bitter bitter. So our guys better kick some ARSE!

Posted by: sfskin | November 11, 2007 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Greetings Redskins nation hope we have a good day

Posted by: mofass79 | November 11, 2007 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Another penalty on the D on 3rd and long that ends up in a 1st down. This should have been addressed by now.

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 1:08 PM | Report abuse

F 3rd down defensive penalties!

Skins by 40!

Posted by: bangkokben | November 11, 2007 1:09 PM | Report abuse

What idiot committed the penalty?

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | November 11, 2007 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Okay. D is beating themselves right now.

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 1:09 PM | Report abuse

F all defensive penalties! Skins by 40!

Posted by: bangkokben | November 11, 2007 1:10 PM | Report abuse

The last time I was up on this blog - the Skins luck was horrible. So if bad things start happening let me know and I'll get off.

Let me know what's happening as I am here in Europe unable to watch.

charlie

Posted by: cmecyclist | November 11, 2007 1:10 PM | Report abuse

All they keep talking about is how far off the line the Redskins D is playing. BRING THE HEAT!!!

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Nice to see nothing has changed with Westbrook. He still kills us.

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 1:12 PM | Report abuse

They best start paying attention to Westbrook

Posted by: mofass79 | November 11, 2007 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Can we start the Fire Coach Gibbs chants yet?

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | November 11, 2007 1:14 PM | Report abuse

TD Eagles. Ugh!

Time to go Charlie. Sorry!

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Hi defense. You guys have been awesome mostly all year. But did you forget that you were playing football today?

Football. It's what you get that big paycheck for every week.

ARGH!

Posted by: sfskin | November 11, 2007 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Poopy--

Coach Gibbs? How many penalties did he commit on that drive?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 11, 2007 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Once again the D gives up 20 yards, keeps drives alive and can't stop Westbrook.

Posted by: bangkokben | November 11, 2007 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Uh, yeah.

I'm outta here!

Posted by: cmecyclist | November 11, 2007 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Grilliams can't keep playing these guys 10 yards off the line. Westbrook will eat us alive if he keeps this up. If anything we can start the F Grilliams chants now.

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Seriously if we take Westbrook out of the game Philly has nothing, now cant we do this?

Posted by: mofass79 | November 11, 2007 1:16 PM | Report abuse

6 points for the Black and Whites!

Posted by: filmchis | November 11, 2007 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Isn't it the head coaches job to eliminate the mental mistakes during practice?

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | November 11, 2007 1:16 PM | Report abuse

The Packers-Vikes game is the national broadcast? Wha?

Posted by: sfskin | November 11, 2007 1:16 PM | Report abuse

bangkokben--Yeah, but look at the positives. We didn't let them burn us deep, and Taylor and Landry should be rested in the fourth quarter when we need them!

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 11, 2007 1:17 PM | Report abuse

What's up, dawgs? Just finished lemon meringue Yoplait as the Iggles were driving....Stupid penalties there on the Skins.

Posted by: TheCindy | November 11, 2007 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Why does double G have the Reaper playing 20 yards back? WTF!!!! Not like the Eagles have any good wide outs.

Posted by: jm220 | November 11, 2007 1:18 PM | Report abuse

SFskin yeah the 7-1 packers vs. a team where last week the rookie rb set the league record for rushing yards in a game and who is also over 1000 yds for the season.

Sounds like more of a ratings getter than the average skins vs the sub-par eagles in my book.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | November 11, 2007 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Isn't it the head coaches job to eliminate the mental mistakes during practice?

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | November 11, 2007 01:16 PM

Uh, I always thought this was the players' jobs.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 11, 2007 1:19 PM | Report abuse

jm, on one 3rd and 2 the Safeties were litterally playing at least 30 yards off the ball. I almost wanted to puke.

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Once again I'm at a loss to understand why our guys are playing 10 yards deep on d.

Anyone care to explain? Is this the bend don't break mentality?

Okay come on offense!

Posted by: sfskin | November 11, 2007 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Should they be rested when they let the Eagles have the ball for more than six minutes? This D has serious issues when they're asked to play more than 28 minutes.

Posted by: bangkokben | November 11, 2007 1:20 PM | Report abuse

CHOO CHOO!!!!

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Williams' theory seems to be "my nine can beat your eleven." Wrong, so far.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 11, 2007 1:21 PM | Report abuse

If the players keep making mistakes isn't it the head coaches job to step in and fix it and make sure it doesn't continue?

if a kid keeps getting d's and f's in school would a good parent step in and help fix the problem or just sit back and say "it's the kids problem, not mine"?

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | November 11, 2007 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Hey lookie a pass!

Poopy - not saying we should be the national game. And now that I look at the other NFC 1pm games I guess it makes sense.

Posted by: sfskin | November 11, 2007 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Poopy, They're professionals, not bad children.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 11, 2007 1:23 PM | Report abuse

UGH!!! Anyone think we can come back from 14 down again?

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 1:24 PM | Report abuse

sfskin yeah believe me i wish it was too, i'm sitting here in so-cal watching the pack/vikes waiting for all the bars to open up at 10:45-11 so i can go and actually watch the game

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | November 11, 2007 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs 2.0 style "we won last week so we must lose this week" play in full effect for Redskins

Posted by: mmz114 | November 11, 2007 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Great start! A whopping six plays by the offense. Nice work by Jason and company.

Posted by: Soups1 | November 11, 2007 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm I'm starting to get more and more on board with folks who've been saying that Soups is way too afraid to make mistakes.

It doesn't seem like he's playing with the confidence and swagger from early in the season.
Nice run by him there.

Posted by: sfskin | November 11, 2007 1:25 PM | Report abuse

same basic principles apply to both situations talent.

i guess since they're professionals, the coaches don't need to even attend practice/games eh?

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | November 11, 2007 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Bring some effing heat!!!

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 1:28 PM | Report abuse

FUMBLLLLLLLLLLLLLLE!!!!

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 1:29 PM | Report abuse

WOOHOO!!

Come on offense do SOMETHING YOU SWEET SWINGIN SOULS!

Posted by: sfskin | November 11, 2007 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Nice

Posted by: mofass79 | November 11, 2007 1:30 PM | Report abuse

If for some reason we don't make 1st we'd better go for it!

Posted by: sfskin | November 11, 2007 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Go for the score.

Posted by: bangkokben | November 11, 2007 1:31 PM | Report abuse

CHOOOOOO CHOOOOOO!

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Come on ride that train.
Hey ride it
Choo Choo

Posted by: sfskin | November 11, 2007 1:32 PM | Report abuse


This is the Portis we all wanted to see!

Posted by: Soups1 | November 11, 2007 1:33 PM | Report abuse

CP is bring it!!!

Posted by: jm220 | November 11, 2007 1:33 PM | Report abuse

ATTACK!!!

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 1:36 PM | Report abuse

SSSSSOOOOOOOOUUUUUPPPPPSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!

Posted by: sfskin | November 11, 2007 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Todd Yoder made a false start. Must be Gibbs fault.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 11, 2007 1:36 PM | Report abuse

hahahahahha, the offense is trying to match the defense for most idiotic miscues.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | November 11, 2007 1:37 PM | Report abuse

If you think about it, Mostly Invisible could be our secret weapon now.

I mean put him in and no one expects anything right?

Posted by: sfskin | November 11, 2007 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Shotgun....draw.

Posted by: X_1967 | November 11, 2007 1:38 PM | Report abuse

talent, yes i understand that it is the players responsibility to not commit a penalty and to do they best in practice to rectify the situation but if the players continue to make stupid penalties year after year, at some point the coaching staff has to also become responsible for not correcting it either.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | November 11, 2007 1:39 PM | Report abuse

WOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOO. Too bad it had to be Thrash though.

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 1:39 PM | Report abuse

TD THRASH!!

Posted by: gregmarino88 | November 11, 2007 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Thrash wins the ham sandwich.

Posted by: bangkokben | November 11, 2007 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Thrash gets the first TD by a receiver? Isn't the dude older than Moses?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 11, 2007 1:39 PM | Report abuse

WWWOWOWOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Now that's the Soups I'm talkin'bout!!

Posted by: sfskin | November 11, 2007 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Thank god I don't have to hear about no TD to WR

Posted by: mofass79 | November 11, 2007 1:39 PM | Report abuse

How the F do you miss an extra point after kicking 50 FG's last week?

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 1:40 PM | Report abuse

wtf

Posted by: X_1967 | November 11, 2007 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Oh for the love of Pete!

@@()#*&$(*@#&$(*@#&$(@#*&$

Posted by: sfskin | November 11, 2007 1:40 PM | Report abuse

HAIL TO THE REDSKINS....

Posted by: mofass79 | November 11, 2007 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Five field goals last week and a missed PAT this week? Should have gone for two.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 11, 2007 1:40 PM | Report abuse

WTF! How he miss the extra point? FFFFFFF

Posted by: jm220 | November 11, 2007 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Okay the career builder ads are pretty effin funny.

I need to laugh after that PAT debacle. We need every flingin flangin point!!!

Posted by: sfskin | November 11, 2007 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Suisham needs a Peyton Manning pep talk.

Posted by: TheCindy | November 11, 2007 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Lol absolutely nothing surprises me with this team. Bet ya 1 point makes a decision thes finer executed points of a team are supposed to be installed by the coaches, I love my Skins but they are a sloppy team

Posted by: mofass79 | November 11, 2007 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Ask PMcP, apparently they didn't coach Swiss enough to make the x-tra point.

That line of thinking just goes beyond all logical though.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | November 11, 2007 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Nice kickoff to the 17 yard line. Thank the lord for decent coverage.

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Did swiss ham's leg just fall off? Fielded at the 16?!

Posted by: bangkokben | November 11, 2007 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Donde esta Diddy? Incarcerated in Barcelona?

Posted by: TheCindy | November 11, 2007 1:44 PM | Report abuse

BTW I'd like to give a hand, shout out, high five, blog salute to any and all of our folks in uniform and vets today.

Thanks for your service from a sick shlub on her sofa in San Francisco.

I'm sending out an extra special thought to all our Skins fans and my former students in uniform.

Okay back to the game!

HTTR!

Posted by: sfskin | November 11, 2007 1:45 PM | Report abuse

actually you could blame gibbs/front office for not getting a better kicker in the offseason.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | November 11, 2007 1:45 PM | Report abuse

OMG. How did they not stop that?

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 1:48 PM | Report abuse

I mean does Westbrook pour coyote pee on his uniform before the game so our guys get scared and don't tackle him well?

Posted by: sfskin | November 11, 2007 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Finally. A frickin stop on 3rd down.

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 1:50 PM | Report abuse

First 3rd down stop! Don't go for it.

Posted by: bangkokben | November 11, 2007 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Larry Michael and Sam Huff are horrible!
Sam just said London Fletcher has not made a play all day,haven't called his name yet.

Fletcher officially already has 5 tackles.

Those two are horrible, Sonny is still mentally sharp.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | November 11, 2007 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Now let's get this lead!

Time for a double chocolate stout.

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 1:52 PM | Report abuse

When will Westbrook have a bad game against us? He's like Tiki.

Posted by: bangkokben | November 11, 2007 1:52 PM | Report abuse

I sometime pour pee on myself however I do not play football

Posted by: mofass79 | November 11, 2007 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Not to point out statistical facts or anything, but Adam Viniateri has missed 2 xtra points this year. I mean, not to compare Shuisham to a First Ballot HOF Kicker or anything, but perspective...

Posted by: gregmarino88 | November 11, 2007 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Someone needs to lay the damn wood on Westbrook.

Posted by: jm220 | November 11, 2007 1:54 PM | Report abuse

actually you could blame gibbs/front office for not getting a better kicker in the offseason.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | November 11, 2007 01:45 PM

He won the game with five FGs last week. He won two other games in OT. That's three of our five wins. Sure, let's blame Gibbs for not getting a better one.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 11, 2007 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Beautiful

Posted by: vadude336 | November 11, 2007 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Sonny and Sam are horrible. They are blind an d senile.

Thrash can play,

Posted by: X_1967 | November 11, 2007 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Thanks greg!

WOOOOHOOO Soup! 2 of my predictions have come true already!

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Thrash...who knew?

Posted by: gregmarino88 | November 11, 2007 1:55 PM | Report abuse

J. Thrash showing the Eagles some love.

Posted by: bangkokben | November 11, 2007 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Woot

Posted by: mofass79 | November 11, 2007 1:55 PM | Report abuse

That's what I am talking about. Let the kid play.

Posted by: jm220 | November 11, 2007 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs 2.0 style "we won last week so we must lose this week" play in full effect for Redskins

Posted by: mmz114 | November 11, 2007 01:25 PM

Can you explain what you were talking about earlier, MMZ? All these stupid announcers keep talking about how different the game plan is this week.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 11, 2007 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Cleveland is making Pittsburgh's day miserable...

Posted by: Soups1 | November 11, 2007 1:56 PM | Report abuse

If Thrash is a kid then I must be still in the womb:-)

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Hey maybe Soup "heard" my post about him. . .

Thrash - nice catches but man he is not the fastest horse in the race.

Posted by: sfskin | November 11, 2007 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Sam just said JC called time out to make sure they wanted B Llyod in the game. LMGO!!

Posted by: jm220 | November 11, 2007 1:57 PM | Report abuse

If Thrash is a kid then I must be still in the womb:-)

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 01:56

I was talking about JC.

Posted by: jm220 | November 11, 2007 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Choo choo is playing with a purpose.

Nice McCardell!

Nice ARE!

Hey lookee we do have WRs who can catch!

Posted by: sfskin | November 11, 2007 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Did Lloyd just run the wrong route or was JC throwing it away?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 11, 2007 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Why didn't I start Thrash??????????

Posted by: X_1967 | November 11, 2007 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Thrash AGAIN?? WTF! Soups looking good today BOY!

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 2:00 PM | Report abuse

I can NOT wait for the random owner to pick up Thrash in my FFL this week.

Posted by: mofass79 | November 11, 2007 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Oh My God!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: X_1967 | November 11, 2007 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Santana Thrash!

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 11, 2007 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Thrash is a scoring machine

Posted by: gregmarino88 | November 11, 2007 2:02 PM | Report abuse

WWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

James Thrash - wowee zowee!!

HTTR
HV
BOTWP
FFODC

Posted by: sfskin | November 11, 2007 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Thrash two TD'S! Get the F out of here!

Posted by: jm220 | November 11, 2007 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Did you guys see about 5 Eagles defenders go to Cooley?

Bad move on the 2pt!

Posted by: SMACK1 | November 11, 2007 2:03 PM | Report abuse

SOOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUP!!

THRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASH!!

WTF?

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 2:03 PM | Report abuse

HAIL VICTORY......

Posted by: mofass79 | November 11, 2007 2:03 PM | Report abuse

jm220--Two TDs -- seems like it must be the fourth quarter.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 11, 2007 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Not to be negative, but we should have kicked it to be up 13-7.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | November 11, 2007 2:04 PM | Report abuse

A good running game is a QB's best friend!!

Posted by: Soups1 | November 11, 2007 2:05 PM | Report abuse

We don't need extra points. Will kick their asses w/out them.

Posted by: X_1967 | November 11, 2007 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Hmm let's try this again.

It wouldn't be a Skins game otherwise. We score 2 TDs and still need at least 2 scores in order to break 20 point barrier.

I laugh. I cry. I laugh.

HTTR

Posted by: sfskin | November 11, 2007 2:07 PM | Report abuse

hey guys go redskins

all though it was a bad call at least we are seeing gibbs opeing up the offense and not being conservative if we play like this every week we could esily be 7-1

Posted by: the_crazy_one17 | November 11, 2007 2:07 PM | Report abuse

time for a defensive TD

Posted by: Soups1 | November 11, 2007 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Pulling out hammer. Smack to the back of your head gregmarino88. Come on we are winning.

Posted by: jm220 | November 11, 2007 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Time to blitz McNabb and knock him out.

Posted by: X_1967 | November 11, 2007 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Offense must have inspired the D.

Go Skins!!!

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 2:09 PM | Report abuse

I know you won't believe me but I told my son, just kick it, and we will worry about an extra point later if we need it.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | November 11, 2007 2:09 PM | Report abuse

One more TD to Thrash.

Posted by: X_1967 | November 11, 2007 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Sorry JM, you're right.

Apologies all around...we're winning.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | November 11, 2007 2:10 PM | Report abuse

One more score before the half. Break their will right here and right now!

Posted by: jm220 | November 11, 2007 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Eagles have a heck of a punter.

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 2:11 PM | Report abuse

We gotta be like the Pats and run up the score.

Posted by: X_1967 | November 11, 2007 2:11 PM | Report abuse

gregmarino88 it all good brother. I know it's hard to stay positive with this team.

Posted by: jm220 | November 11, 2007 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Did we really want to take a timeout only saving 8 seconds, when we would have gotten 2 minute warning anyway?

Now we only have one timeout remaining and 72 yards to go

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | November 11, 2007 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Here some words for Donovan. I'm thinking he's already learning them.

Now this could only happen to a guy like me
And only happen in a town like this
And so I say to each of you most gratefully
As I throw each one of you a kiss

This is my kind of town, Chicago is
My kind of town, Chicago is
My kind of people too
People who, smile at you

Posted by: sfskin | November 11, 2007 2:12 PM | Report abuse

I'm not seeing the game, but are these passes directed to BLloyd, is it a case of him not trying or a complete miss?

Posted by: gregmarino88 | November 11, 2007 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Go for it!!!

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Thats some bad play calling, right before the half....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | November 11, 2007 2:15 PM | Report abuse

WTF?

Posted by: sfskin | November 11, 2007 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Is there something wrong with my TV or did Floyd just make an effort to make a catch?!?

Posted by: jcooke539 | November 11, 2007 2:15 PM | Report abuse

that last pass to Lloyd was overthrown. The first one looked like it could have been either a throw away or confusion on routes.

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 2:15 PM | Report abuse

kick it deep!

Posted by: Soups1 | November 11, 2007 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Why the hell didn't they go for it?

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 2:16 PM | Report abuse

James Thrash!! He ate his Wheaties this morning boy!

Posted by: sfskin | November 11, 2007 2:16 PM | Report abuse

OK Reaper time to pick one off.

Posted by: jm220 | November 11, 2007 2:17 PM | Report abuse

now watch the Iggles pad the stats going into half-time...

Posted by: Soups1 | November 11, 2007 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Nice coverage by Springs

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 2:20 PM | Report abuse

gregmarino -- On one pass to Lloyd it wasn't clear whether Lloyd ran the wrong route or Soup threw it away. On the other route, Lloyd was open and running -- Soup overthrew him.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 11, 2007 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Griffin offsides. Must be Gibbs fault again.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 11, 2007 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Are we trying to break the penalty record?

Posted by: sfskin | November 11, 2007 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Why is the D playing to give up the field goal? Bring the damn heat!!

Posted by: jm220 | November 11, 2007 2:22 PM | Report abuse

TheRon laying the wood on McNabb!!!

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Guys thanks for the update on Lloyd. If there was ever a chance for him to step up, this was it. Apparently Thrash is the one who was going to step up. Its not like he hasn't been given chances.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | November 11, 2007 2:24 PM | Report abuse

wide left..watch

Posted by: X_1967 | November 11, 2007 2:24 PM | Report abuse

If the Eagles lose, McNabb has made his last start in Philly.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 11, 2007 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Whew!

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs better not play it safe in the second half....or else!

Posted by: X_1967 | November 11, 2007 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Thrash - 4 catches for 78 yards and 2 TD's at the half. Who'd a thunk it?

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Jeez, with Akers missing that kick, based on McP's logic, he's done for, right?

Good half, lets wear their stuff out in the second half.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | November 11, 2007 2:27 PM | Report abuse

gregmarino, I don't agree on Lloyd. Two passes his way, neither one catchable, isn't enough. But, Thrash has been bigger than any of us would have expected.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 11, 2007 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Here is my question. Who is doing the play calling today? Except for the last series it seems like a different approach.

Posted by: sfskin | November 11, 2007 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Pretty happy with the O and D so far, but very fearful of another conservative second half and collapse.

Question: Is Joe Gibbs that scared that he can't even throw a hail mary on the last play of the half? That is twice now.

Posted by: johnw | November 11, 2007 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Thank god for Thrash having a career day. Keep playing like that and I will forget about him being a bum for the first 8 games.

As for Campbell, I have said it before and I will say it again. He's a better QB when that little Midget Moss doesn't play.

Campbell's 2 best games of the year passing wise will both be games that Moss miss. Just shows you how much Moss is dogging it out there this year.

Posted by: mmz114 | November 11, 2007 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Not many coaches would throw a hail mary on the last play of the 1st half. That's an invitation for a turnover.

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 2:30 PM | Report abuse

gregmarino, Right on the Akers logic! Maybe the 'Skins can pick him up next week after Philly cuts him. But wait, we already gave up on him once. We can't admit we were wrong, can we?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 11, 2007 2:31 PM | Report abuse

They got to come out and score at least a field goal. If they score a TD that may be it for the Eagles.

Posted by: jm220 | November 11, 2007 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Just shows you how much Moss is dogging it out there this year.

Posted by: mmz114 | November 11, 2007 02:30 PM

mmz dude, This sort of stuff makes you guilty of dogging it on the blog. Come on, raise your game. Your best days come when you don't post.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 11, 2007 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Cleveland capitalizing on Steelers miscues.

A 90+ yard KO return and an interception deep both led to TD's. Wow!

Posted by: Soups1 | November 11, 2007 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Te, We did bring McCardell back 20 years later.

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 2:34 PM | Report abuse

We still have at least 1 TD left in Portis and Cooley and maybe one to squeeze out of the defense.

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Both teams dead even at 172 net yards at the half...

Posted by: Soups1 | November 11, 2007 2:36 PM | Report abuse

We get the ball in the second half. I want a score! None of this conservative crap!

Come on Skins!

Posted by: sfskin | November 11, 2007 2:38 PM | Report abuse

LOL, TA, that is some funny stuff right there:

"You're best day's come when you don't post".

Nicely done. To say that Moss is dogging it, is just foolish, to say the least

Posted by: gregmarino88 | November 11, 2007 2:38 PM | Report abuse

wicked catch by Jennings for the Pack!

Posted by: Soups1 | November 11, 2007 2:38 PM | Report abuse

The Rock!

Posted by: Soups1 | November 11, 2007 2:40 PM | Report abuse

That's it for Akers. KO only carried to the 15. That's Reid's fault for not getting a better kicker in the off season. He'll be on the street for sure next week.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 11, 2007 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Nicely done. To say that Moss is dogging it, is just foolish, to say the least

Posted by: gregmarino88 | November 11, 2007 02:38 PM


Kinda like how Moss's best days are when he's not on the field because he's been dogging it all season?

But i am sure our Talentless Twit will keep sucking his dick

Posted by: mmz114 | November 11, 2007 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Rock solid start by Cartwright.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | November 11, 2007 2:41 PM | Report abuse

McNabb looks a little dinged up.

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Come on ride that train.
Hey ride it.
Choo choo

Posted by: sfskin | November 11, 2007 2:42 PM | Report abuse

ITA

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 2:42 PM | Report abuse

MM, grow up.

Portis came to play!!!

Posted by: gregmarino88 | November 11, 2007 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm look at what Soups does when he actually gets to throw! He warms up and wow look he's actually doing some good stuff.

Hmmmmm

Oh and I'm assuming we're going to be hearing how Choo Choo needed that many games to get back up to speed and become the back we know he can be and is.

Posted by: sfskin | November 11, 2007 2:45 PM | Report abuse

He's thrashing the Iggles today!

Posted by: Soups1 | November 11, 2007 2:45 PM | Report abuse

I like this playcalling. Campbell is averaging about 10 yards per pass, which is great, when combing with Portis gashing them on the ground.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | November 11, 2007 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Portis is the reason Soups is having a good day.

Posted by: Soups1 | November 11, 2007 2:48 PM | Report abuse

What the hell Sellars? You don't leap 3 yards behind the line. That and the muffed block in first half aren't highlight reel stuff.

But izz okay. We winning!!

Posted by: sfskin | November 11, 2007 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Fire Gibbs Fire Gibbs Fire Gibbs

Posted by: zeb | November 11, 2007 2:48 PM | Report abuse

That stretch play to the left would have been nice there.

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Sellars has lots of muscles, but the ones in his head 'cause us problems occasionally...

Posted by: Soups1 | November 11, 2007 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Riggo - agreed about Soups and CP. But I do think Soups needs more than 10 attempts in a half to really get going.

Posted by: sfskin | November 11, 2007 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Damn Caveman. You suppose to run right up someone chest not take a leap.

Posted by: jm220 | November 11, 2007 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Fire Gibbs Fire Gibbs Fire Gibbs

Posted by: zeb | November 11, 2007 02:48 PM

Zeb, you're too late. We fired him in the first half because of Smoot's pass interference call. Or Yoder's false start, I forget.

I know, it sounds weird, but we did. Try to keep up.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 11, 2007 2:51 PM | Report abuse

sfskin:

absolutely on target with that comment. Can't get your groove on if they won't let you dance

Posted by: Soups1 | November 11, 2007 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Can't get your groove on if they won't let you dance

Posted by: Riggo44 | November 11, 2007 02:51 PM

Well, Soups has helped his own cause by hitting the receivers and getting first downs today.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 11, 2007 2:53 PM | Report abuse

sacked...

Posted by: X_1967 | November 11, 2007 2:53 PM | Report abuse

WOOOOHOOOO. Sack baby!!!!

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 2:53 PM | Report abuse

i know i'm late but what the heck was that by sellers? the way JC reacted after the play signaling first down i think they were confused as to where the first down marker was

Posted by: dealer | November 11, 2007 2:53 PM | Report abuse

that's a fine example of how we did not have it in us to shove it down their throats and score a td going up 19-7!

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | November 11, 2007 2:53 PM | Report abuse

GRIFFF!!!!

Posted by: gregmarino88 | November 11, 2007 2:53 PM | Report abuse

short

Posted by: X_1967 | November 11, 2007 2:54 PM | Report abuse

i can't belive they're gonna convert 3rd and 21

Posted by: dealer | November 11, 2007 2:55 PM | Report abuse

What's up with the short kick offs? That short and now the O needs to score again.

Posted by: jm220 | November 11, 2007 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Early Xmas for the Eagles with that spot on the pass.

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 2:56 PM | Report abuse

OH don't tell me the Reaper is hurt!

Posted by: jm220 | November 11, 2007 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Reaper hurt?

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | November 11, 2007 2:57 PM | Report abuse

So much for bending and not breaking. ATTACK!!!!

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 2:57 PM | Report abuse

3rd and 19 and they convert on Skins D!
Can't have that!

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | November 11, 2007 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Reaper's back in the game.

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Errgghh come on defense hold it!

Buf 2 Miami 3 - wow now that is a football i.e. soccer score.

Posted by: sfskin | November 11, 2007 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Gotta hold them to 3. Carter's been quiet today.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | November 11, 2007 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Reaper going back to the locker room now.

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Big, what did reap hurt? Knee, shoulder?

Posted by: gregmarino88 | November 11, 2007 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Damn!!

Posted by: jm220 | November 11, 2007 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Looked like a shoulder but I'm not 100% sure.

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Welcome back Kardiac Kids. eeek

Gotta score.
Gotta score.

Posted by: sfskin | November 11, 2007 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Grilliams is solely to blame for this. No excuse for keeping those DB's and LB's that far away from the line.

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Here we go Redskins.
Here we go.
Here we go Redskins.
Here we go.

Posted by: sfskin | November 11, 2007 3:04 PM | Report abuse

OK they just switch to the Skins game on Fox.

Posted by: jm220 | November 11, 2007 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Seriously this feels like a different game on offense. The hurry up, spreading the pass and yep CP is picking up where he left off last week.

Posted by: sfskin | November 11, 2007 3:10 PM | Report abuse

We need a TD on this drive.

Posted by: jm220 | November 11, 2007 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Al must have won the coin toss with Gibbs this week.

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 3:12 PM | Report abuse

OMG the other team got a penalty!
Woo!

Posted by: sfskin | November 11, 2007 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Man, you know that Thrash is a threat when you have to hold him.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 11, 2007 3:15 PM | Report abuse

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. The old guys are coming out to play today!

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 3:17 PM | Report abuse

JC is doing his thing today.

Posted by: jm220 | November 11, 2007 3:17 PM | Report abuse

YYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Soups! Soups! Ol'Man and Soups!

Posted by: sfskin | November 11, 2007 3:18 PM | Report abuse

I all for the old guys. The D got to stop them on this one or get a turnover. If that happens this game is over.

Posted by: jm220 | November 11, 2007 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Oh and look twenty two, 22, vingt deux, veinte dos, XXII ponts!

Posted by: sfskin | November 11, 2007 3:20 PM | Report abuse

very happy fox switched over to the skins game in NY :)

Posted by: spotter | November 11, 2007 3:21 PM | Report abuse

spotter you got that right. Not sure why they didn't have it from the start since Philly and DC is right down the road.

Posted by: jm220 | November 11, 2007 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Holy Crap!! 3TD's for Campbell? Wow, these old timers are making Moss look expendable. Gibbs ain't the only one who took his Geratol today.
mmz114
Good call earlier this week saying Campbell would have a good game with Moss out. Second time this year they have done alot better without Moss. Very strange..

Posted by: ga8085 | November 11, 2007 3:22 PM | Report abuse

I don't trust Grilliams in this game.

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Godfrey dropped that INT. That has to be Gibbs fault. Good thing we fired him in the first half. Serves him right.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 11, 2007 3:25 PM | Report abuse

bigfish--It ain't Gregg, it's the guys on the field who are blowing it.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 11, 2007 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Reaper would have had that INT. How in the hell did PP not bat that down at least?

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 3:27 PM | Report abuse

nnnneeeeeaaaahhhhhhh

Here we go Redskins.
Here we go.
Here we go Redskins.
Here we go.

Posted by: sfskin | November 11, 2007 3:28 PM | Report abuse

TE, I would agree with you if the secondary and the LB's weren't playing 20 yards off the ball and anyone was blitzing. Bend don't break does not work.

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Damn he got to bring the heat. McNabb have way too much time back there.

Posted by: jm220 | November 11, 2007 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Well atleast Gibbs can't go into conserve mode with that Eagle score.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 11, 2007 3:30 PM | Report abuse

fish, he had them in exactly the right place on that TD and they didn't make the play. Same thing with what should have been an INT by Godfrey.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 11, 2007 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Cindy,

When is Jasno going to give us a new post with the story on Taylor?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 11, 2007 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Man I am just hoping the Reaper will be able to come back next week.

Posted by: jm220 | November 11, 2007 3:34 PM | Report abuse

TE, McNabb wouldn't have had all day to sit back there and throw a perfect pass if someone would have been sent on the blitz. Plus I'm not just talking about the last play. I'm referring to the whole game.

Especially the 3rd and two on the scoring drive for the Eagles in the 1st Q when the safeties were literrally playing 20 to 30 yards off the ball, LB's were at least 10 yds off the ball and they handed it off to Westbrook. It's been happening all day.

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 3:34 PM | Report abuse

CHOOOOOOOO CHOOOOOOOOO!!!

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 3:36 PM | Report abuse

He was down. That's BS

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 3:37 PM | Report abuse

We're marching it down the field. It's looking good.

Anyone else feeling really really nervous?

Posted by: sfskin | November 11, 2007 3:37 PM | Report abuse

There is the Betts I know

Posted by: mofass79 | November 11, 2007 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Not conclusive to change it

Posted by: mofass79 | November 11, 2007 3:38 PM | Report abuse

I don't want to hear another damn call for Betts EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: jm220 | November 11, 2007 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Cost us at least 2 wins last year hope its not the same here

Posted by: mofass79 | November 11, 2007 3:40 PM | Report abuse

SHTI SHTI SHTI SHTI SHTI SHTI SHTI SHTI

And we don't have any more timeouts!

@_#*$_(*@#&$_(*@#&$)(*@#&$_(*@#&$(_*@#&$_@(#*&$

Posted by: sfskin | November 11, 2007 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Betts sucks

Posted by: X_1967 | November 11, 2007 3:41 PM | Report abuse

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: mofass79 | November 11, 2007 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Right back. YEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Yes baby!And they better not put Betts fumbling ass back in.

Posted by: jm220 | November 11, 2007 3:41 PM | Report abuse

YEEHAW! Defense! WOO!

Betts you better buy every effin guy on the d line a big ole steak dinner!

YEEESSS!!

Posted by: sfskin | November 11, 2007 3:42 PM | Report abuse

PORTIS

Posted by: X_1967 | November 11, 2007 3:42 PM | Report abuse

F Betts! Stick with CHOO CHOO!!!

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 3:42 PM | Report abuse

YES!! They refuse to lose!!

Posted by: ga8085 | November 11, 2007 3:42 PM | Report abuse

ALL DAY LONG>>>>PORTIS

Posted by: X_1967 | November 11, 2007 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Running behind the right side -- where are all the Fabini/Wade haters?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 11, 2007 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Oh and I second that emotion.

Betts is a fumbler when it counts. He's a good #2 to rest up Choo Choo but he ain't a starter. No way no how.

Posted by: sfskin | November 11, 2007 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Sellers injury hurts

Posted by: mofass79 | November 11, 2007 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Sellers right back. No worries

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 3:45 PM | Report abuse

fish, Betts started a lot last year and had a good year for us. He's a good back. He could start on some other teams in the league and can start here if Portis breaks down.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 11, 2007 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Come on!!! We need TD

Posted by: X_1967 | November 11, 2007 3:45 PM | Report abuse

WTF!

Posted by: mofass79 | November 11, 2007 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Yes!!!!!!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

Posted by: X_1967 | November 11, 2007 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Woohoo!
Nice Yoder!
Nice penalty!
Woohoo!

Posted by: sfskin | November 11, 2007 3:47 PM | Report abuse

TE, Betts was known as a fumbler last year and cost us at least two games.

You're in a feisty mood today aren't you?

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Keep running down the clock,....

Posted by: X_1967 | November 11, 2007 3:48 PM | Report abuse

That ball was in the air there gang

Posted by: mofass79 | November 11, 2007 3:48 PM | Report abuse

TE - agreed Betts is a good back. Yes good season last year but he had critical fumbles at critical moments.

Posted by: sfskin | November 11, 2007 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs calling the plays again.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 11, 2007 3:49 PM | Report abuse

SJK SJK SJK SJK SJK SJK SJK SJK SJK SJK SJK

Posted by: sfskin | November 11, 2007 3:50 PM | Report abuse

False start? they gettin better but they make these mistakes

Posted by: mofass79 | November 11, 2007 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs definitely calling plays.

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 3:51 PM | Report abuse

WTF!!! Damn Cooley

Posted by: jm220 | November 11, 2007 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Cmon D

Posted by: mofass79 | November 11, 2007 3:52 PM | Report abuse

The kid has 6tds and 0 Ints in the red zone, right?

Posted by: SMACK1 | November 11, 2007 3:52 PM | Report abuse

I want to vomit. And not cause I'm sick.

Posted by: sfskin | November 11, 2007 3:53 PM | Report abuse

The Vodka is officially out of the freezer

Posted by: X_1967 | November 11, 2007 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Here we go Redskins.
Here we go.
Here we go Redskins.
Here we go.

Posted by: sfskin | November 11, 2007 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Damn we need the D to come up big again. I hate this!

Posted by: jm220 | November 11, 2007 3:54 PM | Report abuse

For cryin out loud!!

Posted by: ga8085 | November 11, 2007 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Look out for westbrook on a screen!

Posted by: Soups1 | November 11, 2007 3:55 PM | Report abuse

two shots already down...here goes the third.

Posted by: X_1967 | November 11, 2007 3:55 PM | Report abuse

sfskin--Betts had exactly four fumbles last year and the Skins recovered two of them. That was with 245 rushes. He's lost a total of five fumbles in his six-year career, counting the one today.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 11, 2007 3:55 PM | Report abuse

buuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrp!!!!

Posted by: X_1967 | November 11, 2007 3:56 PM | Report abuse

No pressure on McNabb still even with 12 men on the field.

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 3:56 PM | Report abuse

oh man... was that salsa that just came up?

Posted by: X_1967 | November 11, 2007 3:57 PM | Report abuse

I hate everyone.

Posted by: sfskin | November 11, 2007 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Nice call, Riggo. Ugh.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 11, 2007 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Westbrook is most deadly with that screen

Posted by: Soups1 | November 11, 2007 3:58 PM | Report abuse

no worries, we'll march down the field and win!

Posted by: X_1967 | November 11, 2007 3:58 PM | Report abuse

PLEASE give the playcalling back to Al now. All we need is a FG.

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Here we go Redskins.
Here we go.
Here we go Redskins.
Here we go.

Posted by: sfskin | November 11, 2007 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs looks to be in full pout mode..lol

Posted by: X_1967 | November 11, 2007 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Well here we go

Posted by: mofass79 | November 11, 2007 4:00 PM | Report abuse

This is a great test for Jason right now. If he's going to be a big-time QB, this is the situation that will send him forward or drop him back.

Posted by: Soups1 | November 11, 2007 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Our secret weapon? BRANDON LLOYD!

Posted by: X_1967 | November 11, 2007 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Is Lloyd down there praying that Thrash is hurt so he can get some playing time?

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 4:01 PM | Report abuse

we suck....it's official....now one more shot of vodka

Posted by: X_1967 | November 11, 2007 4:03 PM | Report abuse

I can't stand it.

Posted by: sfskin | November 11, 2007 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs needs to quit after the game.

Posted by: X_1967 | November 11, 2007 4:04 PM | Report abuse

I'm going to get sick now. Gotta root for the Cowboys now.

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Well I guess that answers those questions about the will of this team and Jason in the clutch.

I think many of you owe me an apology this week.

Posted by: Soups1 | November 11, 2007 4:05 PM | Report abuse

WTF! We went for it on 4th and 13? WHAT?

Posted by: sfskin | November 11, 2007 4:05 PM | Report abuse

well, that's it. can't punch it in on seven tries from inside the 5. can't gain one yard with 3 minutes left and needing a touchdown to win. can't preserve timeouts in the second half.

Posted by: msray1201 | November 11, 2007 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Eagles just scored too fast. Skins can get into overtime with a TD and a two-point.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 11, 2007 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Come on TD and 2 point conversion!!!

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 4:06 PM | Report abuse

LPD (little prick danny) is pissed!!!!!!!!!!

There go the revenues from the last three home games...LOL

Posted by: X_1967 | November 11, 2007 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Season is over. This is a sorry effin' offense and an idiotic defense with a coordinator who won't pressure for the life of him. They all deserve it. Bunch of losers.

Posted by: CDon | November 11, 2007 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Riggo44 no this is not on JC. There were two drop pases. And the D totally sucked this week.

Posted by: jm220 | November 11, 2007 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Okay, guys, make way for the haters -- they're out in force with two minutes left in the game.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 11, 2007 4:08 PM | Report abuse

My Talent Evaluator Imitation

"really its not Joe Gibbs fault"

It's not his fault that he didn't go for it on 4th and inches,

Its not his fault that he took the ball out of campbell's hands who was having a career day

It's not Gibbs fault that Talent evaluator is a giant douchebag.

Posted by: mmz114 | November 11, 2007 4:08 PM | Report abuse

f*ck gibbs...he sucks as a coach and is the reason we lost this game. he calls a pass play on that goal line series we win. gibbs is a dumb f*ck, the sooner he is gone the better off we will be. stop ruining our team, old man!!

Posted by: jmc2007 | November 11, 2007 4:08 PM | Report abuse

jm220:

you're an idiot; shut up! Face it, I own you!

Posted by: Soups1 | November 11, 2007 4:08 PM | Report abuse

It's finally clear -- time for the entire coaching staff to go. Regardless of whatever may happen here.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | November 11, 2007 4:09 PM | Report abuse

F it.
F it.
F it.

A run on 3rd and goal at the 8?! When a TD would've put the game away?! Never thought I'd say it, but F Joe Gibbs. I've had it. I can't believe it. And I'm 4-12 as long as he's still coaching this team.

Posted by: 4-12 | November 11, 2007 4:09 PM | Report abuse

I see that talent evaluator is finally off the 900 number and back with us...

Posted by: Soups1 | November 11, 2007 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Haters - hold on. Wait until the game is actually over and then the blog is your happy hunting ground.

Posted by: sfskin | November 11, 2007 4:11 PM | Report abuse

and for the dumb a$$ announcers, THE REDSKINS LET THE EAGLES SCORE ON PURPOSE. look at the play, its obvious. but gibbs is still a douche

Posted by: jmc2007 | November 11, 2007 4:11 PM | Report abuse

There is absolutely no reason why, late in the game, Gibbs should've stopped throwing the ball. They were getting whatever they wanted, and yet he continued to run with no real effect, particularly in the red zone. Bunch of idiots.

Posted by: CDon | November 11, 2007 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Funny. Where were all you fickle haters when the Redskins were winning in the 4th Q? Go somewhere else and complain because no one here other than other losers like you are listening to your nonsense. And you know who you are.

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 4:11 PM | Report abuse

2 min left. Campbell can still get the ball downfield.

Just don't have Betts trying to run it in at the goal line.

Posted by: mmz114 | November 11, 2007 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Exactly, 4-12. A run on third and 8. That's just stupid, stupid, stupid. But that's what this coaching staff is.

Posted by: CDon | November 11, 2007 4:12 PM | Report abuse

skins suck, cant even snap it

Posted by: X_1967 | November 11, 2007 4:12 PM | Report abuse

is it official enough for ya??

Posted by: jmc2007 | November 11, 2007 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Ohhh, a 2-yard pass. That'll get seven.

Posted by: CDon | November 11, 2007 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs is done. Done. Done. Done. He thinks it's the '80s, and he thinks he has the Hogs. Pass the friggin' ball.

Posted by: CDon | November 11, 2007 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Thank you Grilliams for not getting any pressure on McNabb today and keeping our DB's 20 yards off the line of scrimmage and letting Westbrook kill us.

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 4:15 PM | Report abuse


Let's hear it from talent evaluator and JM220 and chrislarry and bigfish. Who's your daddy? Who's your daddy? Can you say Riggo44?

Posted by: Soups1 | November 11, 2007 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Skins is only hope is that the Giants beat the Cowboys, but it's not as though the Skins will beat Dallas in Dallas next week. This game was the season, and Washington blew it. Per usual.

Posted by: CDon | November 11, 2007 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Okay. Now it's all yours.

I hate to say this but I think this may be the turning point.

This isn't a team with the will to win right now. The whole team needs that will and every week one unit or the other finds a way to let it slip through their fingers.

Ah SJK!

Posted by: sfskin | November 11, 2007 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Talent Evaluator Impression

"I am real proud of Joe Gibbs. Let me suck him off some more. He called a heck of a game. Mmm Gibbs taste good"

DOUCHEBAG

Posted by: mmz114 | November 11, 2007 4:16 PM | Report abuse

The omen was there when Gibbs ran the freakin ball on 3 and goal from the seven. I was so proud of this team today, and now I'm just as disgusted. Gibbs will never learn, I'm sick of going through this week after week after week.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 11, 2007 4:16 PM | Report abuse

jm220:

you're an idiot; shut up! Face it, I own you!

Posted by: Riggo44 | November 11, 2007 04:08 PM

It's really funny how you guys have all the heart over the internet. You make me laugh you coward

Posted by: jm220 | November 11, 2007 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Gregg Williams needs to go: Al Saunders needs to go: Joe Gibbs, sadly, needs to go.

Posted by: taylorlaw | November 11, 2007 4:17 PM | Report abuse

mmz--

Bad imitation. It was Gibbs' fault that we lost the game. Terrible play-calling inside the five. That's on Gibbs. He let the players down, big time.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 11, 2007 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs coached this game like a loser who has no idea about how to win a football game. He deserves this loss and any criticism that may come with it. He alone blew it. And he alone blew this season.

Posted by: CDon | November 11, 2007 4:18 PM | Report abuse

At least I finally have most folks agreeing with me on what I've been saying on the blog: this team has no will to win and that's the coach's fault. To lose a critical division game at home is inexcusable; especially the way CP played. They need TD's not FG's in the red zone.

Posted by: Soups1 | November 11, 2007 4:19 PM | Report abuse

This team just makes you sick to your stomach don't they.

Posted by: kost52 | November 11, 2007 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs: " we fought real hard, real tough loss for the swingin' souls.....no one else I'd wanna be in a fight with though," rubs brow, exhales and says we'll work real hard.

Posted by: X_1967 | November 11, 2007 4:19 PM | Report abuse

mmz--

Bad imitation. It was Gibbs' fault that we lost the game. Terrible play-calling inside the five. That's on Gibbs. He let the players down, big time.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 11, 2007 04:17 PM

Posted by: mmz114 | November 11, 2007 4:20 PM | Report abuse

That's TWO division games this team has lost at home. TWO!!!!!!! That's unheard of from a team that actually has the desire to win.

Posted by: CDon | November 11, 2007 4:20 PM | Report abuse

That sucked. Defense couldn't get any pressure, which combined with no Sean T, really hurt us.

JM & TA, ignore the morons that will now inhabit the board. They don't deserve your time.

I will say on the Westbrook 58 yard touchdown, Landry was held by LJ Smith. Smith almost pulled his jersey off his back, but oh well, can't rely on the refs to make our breaks.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | November 11, 2007 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Talent Evaluator = BIGGEST DOUCHEBAG ON THE BLOG

Way to do a 180 on Gibbs

Posted by: mmz114 | November 11, 2007 4:21 PM | Report abuse

GIBBS IS STARTING TO MAKE SPURRIER LOOK LIKE EINSTEIN.

Okay, that's a gross exaggeration, but...

How did Gibbs suddenly get so stupid? Was it track fumes? Old age?

And it's contageous.

I have never seen such stupid play in my life by a Gibbs coached team.

1st Drive. Three key penalties, and Grilliams plays a Bizarro-world Defense with safeties 25 yards back. Philly didn't need to block them, they were out of the play on their own.

Near the half. With 2:08 left Gibbs calls timeout, instead of letting the clock run down EIGHT seconds. This takes the threat of a pass down the middle or a running play out of the equation for Philly. They stop the skins and would have scored except for the missed FG.

But WAIT, the 'skins are just warming up on times out.

Three TO's used up ihn the SECOND HALF before the end of the game were wasted, including one that meant thay couldn't challenge the McCardell reception.

Why was McCardell running that patterns? Let's see.

Your best receiver, who you will need to run patterns downfield ion a game winning drive was on the KICKOFF return team. Nice, Joe, you got Thrash out, probably for the season. And since you have the safe and sane choice returning kciks--Cartwright--there' no chance he'll break one.

Moss is injured muscle pull. How many is that? 17.

And the moron trainer you wont' fire has 17 guys with hammies and groins.

And how can you get linemen to stay onside when you have no authority, because you consistently make moves dumber than jumping offside?

GIBBS 2.0 is an absolute disaster.

Resign, retire, quit for health reasons. And take that stupid stinking owner and his pet dog Vinnie with you. Maybe in five to ten years the stench surrounding your return to ingloriousness will be forgotten and we'll remember the good times. Maybe.

Posted by: corkczar | November 11, 2007 4:21 PM | Report abuse

5-5 next week with Cowgirls beating us is going to hurt a lot more.

Posted by: mmz114 | November 11, 2007 4:22 PM | Report abuse

'Skins are now out of the race, even though it's not official. Three games out in the division in third place won't get you a wildcard to anything.

Gibbs must go; Jason had a great 80% of a game, but slid back badly at the end with the pressure on him.

Posted by: Soups1 | November 11, 2007 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Okay. What a sorry loss.

But it's Dallas week and so I have to cling to my fairy tale fantasy to get pumped up for next Sunday.

So I'm going to focus on . . ahem . . good things.
CP had a whale of a game. Awesome.
Soups had his best game in weeks.
Our 2nd tier WRs stepped up and did a nice job.
Our o-line is really gelling and making stuff happen.

I agree coaching/play calling here was a major sinker. And the stupid penalties on defense in particular. Hopefully Grilliams takes them to the woodshed this week for that.

Posted by: sfskin | November 11, 2007 4:22 PM | Report abuse

c'mon, sf, I love ya, but that is WAYYY too positive.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | November 11, 2007 4:24 PM | Report abuse

I hate watching the Redskins. The coaching staff is a joke.

Posted by: taylorlaw | November 11, 2007 4:24 PM | Report abuse

corkczar bringin' the wood!!!

Posted by: Soups1 | November 11, 2007 4:24 PM | Report abuse

in response to bigfish's post about "Where were all you fickle haters when the Redskins were winning in the 4th Q?" i must say that that is a very shrewd argument. i was actually watching the game rooting for my team. however, in this heartbreaking loss (and in others this season) i can see our real flaw; Joseph Gibbs. He is a bad playcaller, he has not adjusted to the 21st century, and the team that he (yes HE) handpicked is a dissappointment once again dispite talent up the bum hole. He was good in the 80's during an era with no salary cap and where a few teams were really good and most sucked. well, now gibbs sucks and needs to go. he is old, senile, and just a bad playcaller. i miss steve spurrier!!! SPURRIER, COME BAAAACK!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: jmc2007 | November 11, 2007 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Soups had his best game in weeks.
Our 2nd tier WRs stepped up and did a nice job.


Posted by: sfskin | November 11, 2007 04:22 PM

Soup has his best game since "THE OTHER GAME WHERE MOSS WASN'T ON THE FIELD"

Our 2nd tier recievers didn't step up. We played our best recievers because our 2nd Tier Reciever Moss wasn't playing.

Too bad Moss will probably be back for the Cowgirls.

That Midget can't block anyone. Anytime he's on the field all he does is whine about "other team is playing Cover 2"

Play anyone other than Moss...Campbell plays better when he has a reciever who actually makes an effort.

Posted by: mmz114 | November 11, 2007 4:25 PM | Report abuse

I agree with mmz114 about no-talent evaluator. What a wuss! Defends Gibbs all week until the end then turns on him. What an absolute coward!

Posted by: Soups1 | November 11, 2007 4:26 PM | Report abuse

It doesn't matter one iota how well players play if the coaches don't make the right calls. And that's certainly the case today. You all know Dallas is weak in the secondary, but do you think Gibbs calls for pass after pass after pass to beat them. Hell no! He'll run and get nothing and that'll be that. Next week could be another NE game. It's atrocious.

Posted by: CDon | November 11, 2007 4:27 PM | Report abuse

stevie - I feel like someone punched me in the gut. (partially cause I'm sick) after that game.

I'm sick of this feeling with my beloved team. So I'm trying to be positive i.e. pollyanna cause Dallas is coming up and I want to walk into next week feeling lukewarm rather than suicidal.

Ugh - I don't think I can pull it off though.

That was such a crap loss! UGH!! SJK!!

Posted by: sfskin | November 11, 2007 4:28 PM | Report abuse

JLC is going to be so happy!

I'm sure he'll be wearing blue next week! Along with the rest of you who jump on and off the bandwagon every other play.


Tough loss....nothing we haven't seen before.

Losing Sean Taylor for the game was huge and really the difference in the game.

Nice game Thrash! Hope it's not to serious.

Posted by: filmchis | November 11, 2007 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Coach Gibbs, please QUIT!!!!!!!!

Posted by: X_1967 | November 11, 2007 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Watch, Gibbs won't come out. He's having a prayer vigil in the locker room and calling the Holy Spirit....sniffle, sniffle

Posted by: X_1967 | November 11, 2007 4:31 PM | Report abuse

I'm still defending Gibbs against some of the crap that he's accused of -- penalties, dropped passes, short kickoffs, etc. But I haven't, and can't, defend his play calling.

If you want to hang someone, you need to hang him for a capital crime, not for someone else's misdemeanor.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 11, 2007 4:32 PM | Report abuse

I said all week that campbell will play well. And he did. He was having a Detroit Lions type game

Whenever Moss plays Campbell looks at him as his first option and tries to stay with him too long. But that little Midget never gets open anymore. All he does is cry about Cover 2

Then whole offense stalls.

Without Moss on the field, Campblell plays like a real veteran quarterback.

The only one that could have stopped Campbell today was Gibbs...and Gibbs stopped him all right.

Gibbs and that hack CockTalentEvaluator can get the F out of town

Posted by: mmz114 | November 11, 2007 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs is to blame for the WR's dropping critical passes in the 4th. Gibbs is to blame for the defense giving up 33 points. 21 in the 4th Q. Gibbs is to blame for the O-line's false start that got us into that 3rd and goal situation in the first place. WRONG!!

I tell you what Gibbs is to blame for and that is 361 yards of total offense, 3 passing TD's and 137 yards rushing. A huge step up from what we are used to seeing.

Our defense lost this game and you can blame that on Grilliams and his sorry a$$ play calling.

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 4:33 PM | Report abuse

JUST BEAT DALLAS...
START McC....

Posted by: alex35332 | November 11, 2007 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Our defense lost this game and you can blame that on Grilliams and his sorry a$$ play calling.

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 04:33 PM


Gibbs lost that game when he choked and called a Time Out to kick a field goal on 4th and inches.

Posted by: mmz114 | November 11, 2007 4:35 PM | Report abuse

gibbs is wrong for game managment, not going on the correct fourth downs, for not being cut-throat. he is soft.

Posted by: chillsonic | November 11, 2007 4:36 PM | Report abuse

JUST BEAT DALLAS...
START McC....

Posted by: alex35332 | November 11, 2007 04:34 PM


I wish I can drink the KoolAid and be optimistic...but really season ended today for Redskins.

Posted by: mmz114 | November 11, 2007 4:36 PM | Report abuse

bigfish
Wrong!! Gibbs is responsible for the third and goal from the seven running the ball when your QB has thrown 3tds! Thats where the blame comes in.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 11, 2007 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs lost that game when he choked and called a Time Out to kick a field goal on 4th and inches.

Posted by: mmz114 | November 11, 2007 04:35 PM

Yeah. A lot of good an extra 4 points would have made huh?

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 4:38 PM | Report abuse

The only problem I saw in the last 5 minutes was that our left side of the line was overwhelmed by a four man rush. Bugle needs to step up with the GD O-Line. I think these old guys are not able to play the 4 quarters, we need to rotate them out more through the game.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 11, 2007 4:38 PM | Report abuse

filmchis No question JLC will have a field day.

Posted by: jm220 | November 11, 2007 4:39 PM | Report abuse

he shoulda taken the -5 yards and then kicked, it wasn't that long and it was a waste of a time out. swissy's missed pat was a fluke

Posted by: chillsonic | November 11, 2007 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Yipes bigfish: it actually would have mattered, right? Wouldn't have had to let the Eagles score that last TD. Skins would've been up after Westbrook's screen TD, if I'm not mistaken.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | November 11, 2007 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Yeah. A lot of good an extra 4 points would have made huh?

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 04:38 PM


You are an idiot.

1st...Gibbs wasted a time out to decide to kick a FG. You never do that. Use a time out if you are going to go for it and need to sort out a play. But never to kick a Field goal.

2nd...yeah that 4 extra points at that point of the game would have gone a long way towards finishing the Eagles.

That extra timeout he wasted could have been used to challenge (a) whether Yoder got into the end zone (b) whether McCardell caught the pass.

But no....Keep defending Gibbs and go over to Talent Evaluator's house and have you gay sex.

Posted by: mmz114 | November 11, 2007 4:40 PM | Report abuse

filmchis No question JLC will have a field day.

Posted by: jm220 | November 11, 2007 04:39 PM

Well, the 'Skins gave the game to the Eagles, and they've given the field day to JLC. He doesn't even have to work for it.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 11, 2007 4:40 PM | Report abuse

bigfish
Wrong!! Gibbs is responsible for the third and goal from the seven running the ball when your QB has thrown 3tds! Thats where the blame comes in.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 11, 2007 04:37 PM

Like I said before Gibbs didn't jump for a false start to get us there inthe first place. Plus there is NO reason at all that our "mighty" defense should have given up 33 points to the frickin Eagles. Did you watch the game? Did you see how far off the line our LB's and DB's were? Do you not think that has anything to do with it?

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Dunno for sure about the injuries, but Thrash's looked bad to me....

Posted by: TheCindy | November 11, 2007 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Dunno for sure about the injuries, but Thrash's looked bad to me....

Posted by: TheCindy | November 11, 2007 04:41 PM

Was Jasno at the game today -- he's usually good about posting on the injuries? We need a new post -- refresh speed is slow as the haters are posting furiously.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 11, 2007 4:43 PM | Report abuse

We need a new post -- refresh speed is slow as the haters are posting furiously.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 11, 2007 04:43 PM


Yeah we need a new post so Talent Evaluator can pretend like He didn't keep saying how much of a God Gibbs is...

Let's start a new thread for that Dbag

Posted by: mmz114 | November 11, 2007 4:45 PM | Report abuse

You feeble minded fans keep blaming Gibbs because that's the easy thing to do. Yes, Gibbs has not exactly been Bill Belicheat but to ignore the shortcomings of our defense and Gregg Williams is just being blind. One thing was blatenly obvious to me this week and that was the offense stepped it's game up but the defense took a huge step back.

Offense = Gibbs/Saunders
Defense = Grilliams

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 4:45 PM | Report abuse

mmz, you pathetic waste of a life. You are why this blog now sucks. Take a look at my above post and learn how to speak to people instead of just insulting them, stupidly. I disagree with bigfish but I have enough sense not to start out with an insult, you ugly, sad, little person. I have no idea what your real life is like. I have no idea what you are really like as a person. But this stuff you write? Sad. And I suspect it's why you'll probably die a forgotten man, except for those who realize that the world will then be a better place.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | November 11, 2007 4:46 PM | Report abuse

MMZ you are quite a pessamist from what you have posted since you got on here.

Football's not a 1 season at a time game in my mind. Seasons blend into eachother, as long as you can create some stability for a team. I said at the begining of the season, we should be shooting to go to the 08-09 superbowl not this one. To me this year is suposed to be about one thing, getting Campbell ready to go the distance when the window is open, figure out what JC does that works and who he works with on this team.

Its clear to me that Campbell is in need of other WR options. I think Moss is a great WR but I don't know if he is the right guy for Campbell.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 11, 2007 4:46 PM | Report abuse

alright i am done being positive, that was horrendous....pAinful,obvious, pathetic, silly, typical....

they come out agressive all game on offense until until matters...


the eagles obviously studied the Pats game plan, let the d-line rush than dump over their heads, all while d-backs are deep in the cover, giving the O 20 yards to exploit

Posted by: chrislarry | November 11, 2007 4:46 PM | Report abuse

f'in disgrace!!!!!!!

Posted by: lurgee5177 | November 11, 2007 4:47 PM | Report abuse

I just still can't believe it.

Fumbles kill us AGAIN. Poor Redzone play kills us AGAIN. Wasting our Timeouts, kills us AGAIN!

Posted by: kost52 | November 11, 2007 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Cindy, Isn't registration supposed to get rid of people who like to use vulgar language like I've seen today? Specifically with all this talk of homosexual acts towards Gibbs.

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Ricky Bobby here.

Disgusting, despicable loss.

Is everyone off the Joe Gibbs bandwagon now?

Let's tally it up.

13 (or is it 14 now) 2nd half losses since '04... worst in the NFL

That is a disturbing stat that even the biggest Gibbs supporters cannot ignore.

Oh, and how about that 3rd down draw play? What about the awful, awful clock management? What about Grilliams again over advising Gibbs on what the heck is going on.

What a joke. Joe Gibbs is the worst head coach in the NFL and needs to be fired on the spot.

Posted by: johnw | November 11, 2007 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, registration is supposed to cut down on that....Very annoying that it isn't.

Posted by: TheCindy | November 11, 2007 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Huh? bigfish's ass, maybe, but only you would see that in what I said. I'm kicking your azz, not in anyone else's.

die, mmz114. Die badly. Hurry up and get it over with.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | November 11, 2007 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Bigfish
Exactly my point. If the D is playing bad, guess what? You don't go into conserve mode. I don't care how they got into that third and seven, you don't run the ball, that's no excuse.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 11, 2007 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Please see 4:49 PM and get rid of this idiot. If that can't be done then this registration is nothing but a joke.

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 4:52 PM | Report abuse

yo people lets show a little decorum fer christ sake, i am mad enough to detroy my apartment, but we are a community up here...enough with the viscious insults, and cap the homophobia

Posted by: chrislarry | November 11, 2007 4:53 PM | Report abuse

and I happen to agree with everything you say that isn't an insult. But I still will find your grave and dance on it. It's on, you pathetic waste of life.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | November 11, 2007 4:53 PM | Report abuse

hey, at least our passing game looked somewhat good, thats a positive.

Posted by: chillsonic | November 11, 2007 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs will never be fired. He may step down on his own free will sooner or later but never will get fired.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 11, 2007 4:54 PM | Report abuse

it was a community, cL. Not anymore.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | November 11, 2007 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Now I see why most of the regs have disappeared from the blog. Have at it uneducated trolls. At least until your mommy catches you.

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 4:55 PM | Report abuse

I miss some of the old timers, they were much smarter when it came to deconstruction of the teams problems. I think more are here than you thing fish, many are probably like me and useing their email address for a user ID and its a different name.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 11, 2007 4:58 PM | Report abuse

I liked how we attacked more in the second half as opposed to previous games in which 5 yard down-and-outs were mostly called

Posted by: chillsonic | November 11, 2007 4:58 PM | Report abuse

not very quick or funny, mmz you loser. everyone in your life hates you. People at work hate you. Your family wishes they could leave. Your few friends are only with you because they are (insert mmz-style insult here) too. We can all tell just from your postings. Most of all I hate you because you and people like you ruined a good thing here. Thanks. dipshti.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | November 11, 2007 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Anyone here can tell me why we let LaMar Marshall go? Is Washington just going to sit out all season?

Posted by: alex35332 | November 11, 2007 5:00 PM | Report abuse

They were pretty different roles, right Alex? I guess they shared some coverage-type assignments. Marshall wasn't much of a blitzer if I remember correctly.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | November 11, 2007 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Finally something legitimate to complain about!

Posted by: Dorf | November 11, 2007 5:02 PM | Report abuse


Face it bigfish: we own you. I said all week what was wrong and how ti was going to blow up in our face, and it happened.

Posted by: Soups1 | November 11, 2007 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Most of all I hate you because you and people like you ruined a good thing here. Thanks. dipshti.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | November 11, 2007 04:59 PM

I didn't ruin a good thing...you and the other KoolAid drinkers going on and on about how great Gibbs is ruined the blog.

Anytime JLC post a problem with the coaching staff or the team, its all of you screaming out "HATER"

The problems with the team are obvious. It's Gibbs and they show up week after week.

Don't cry now because it's becoming more and more obvious.

Posted by: mmz114 | November 11, 2007 5:03 PM | Report abuse

many are probably like me and useing their email address for a user ID and its a different name.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 11, 2007 04:58 PM

Alex, It's even worse than that. You don't even have to have an email address. I registered and posted as troll@troll.com. Others have registered as mmz114@deranged.com.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 11, 2007 5:03 PM | Report abuse

I can't compleatly remember but I think that when Marshall was an OLB he was okay rushing the qb.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 11, 2007 5:03 PM | Report abuse

mmz, you illiterate moron. I agree with your criticism of the team, the coaches, the owner, etc. It's just that I only insult people who deserve it. fcuknut. Go away and live your pathetic life elsewhere.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | November 11, 2007 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Dudes the blog fluxes between haters and homers. Its a fact of life. Anyway I got to head back to work.

peace out

Posted by: alex35332 | November 11, 2007 5:06 PM | Report abuse

RB, as hard as it is for me to say - I agree with you that Gibbs 2.0 has run it's course. The clock management and use of timeouts continues to be atrocious. I have no confidence in the team's ability to hold a lead and I don't feel that Gibbs does either.

The most telling thing in this game (and the season) is Gibb's refusal to go for any fourth and shorts (even fourth and inches) unless he absolutely has no choice. Reid went for it on fourth and inches in Eagles territory instead of punting. The Eagles converted and the drive culminated in a TD. That difference in coaching philosophy decided this game.

Gibbs plays not to lose and every other coach plays to win. What message does playing not to lose send to the team???

Posted by: CBT | November 11, 2007 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Oh well...enough of this week.

The rest of the week will be posts from idiots like Talent Evaluator going on and on about how we are going to beat the Cowboys.

Then next Sunday they will say that its Gibbs fault we lost to Cowboys.

Then they will be back saying how we will still make the playoffs when the record is 5-5

Too many Kool Aid drinkers

Posted by: mmz114 | November 11, 2007 5:09 PM | Report abuse

The D played horrible today, no question about it. But the O was playing well enough where the D could afford to play like crap. My only real complaint is the third and seven run in the redzone. I don't care if the Eagle D was playing soft, I'm sure its a small percentage that score a TD on that play. Horrible call, and it came back to bit the team bad. For the last time, when you have a team down, you go for the jugular. What's so difficult to understand about that? Gibbs has been playing to lose all season and I think he needs to step down and let Williams take over as head coach. Keep Saunders so Campbell won't have to learn a new offense again. Blowing this game is a direct result of Gibbs, bottom line.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 11, 2007 5:09 PM | Report abuse

What the hell ups with my posts getting lost? I am pulling the hammer back out for Double G and hope that he is fired or gets hired at the end of the season.

Posted by: jm220 | November 11, 2007 5:10 PM | Report abuse

CBT, I agree. Furthermore, the cover-2 seems to be a classic "playing not to lose" D. It's gotta get into every player's head as well. Better to attack, you idiot, and go down swinging. Hell, if we're a 5-11 team still, so be it. But attack.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | November 11, 2007 5:11 PM | Report abuse

now were gonna cry about lemar marshall????? anyway he is out for the year with an injury...but he would have been the difference today right?

oh well, hoping to come here for some venting, analysis and help not yelling at my wife...

oh well not to much help here guys, thanks for nutin.....

Posted by: chrislarry | November 11, 2007 5:11 PM | Report abuse

One more thing that was good were the holes the O line are finally opening up for clinton. So that just leaves the game managment to improve upon and then we should win.

Posted by: chillsonic | November 11, 2007 5:12 PM | Report abuse

mmz, everyone still hates you. The people you'll see this week? They know what a pathetic human being you are too.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | November 11, 2007 5:13 PM | Report abuse

mmz, everyone still hates you. The people you'll see this week? They know what a pathetic human being you are too.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | November 11, 2007 05:13 PM


Don't deny your love for me...

At least I posted things that are on the money about the team.

but please continue to listen to TalentlessHacks and Bigfags post about how gibbs is great.

Posted by: mmz114 | November 11, 2007 5:14 PM | Report abuse

F you Chris Larry! You sald eating Skins fan. I feel better now.lol

Posted by: jm220 | November 11, 2007 5:14 PM | Report abuse

I was not able to watch the game, only listen to XXX.

It was my impression that the D was good until The Reaper went out w/ the injury. It sounded like the middle of the secondary opened up at that point.

Am I wrong?

Posted by: CBT | November 11, 2007 5:15 PM | Report abuse

The D got 2 HUGE Turnovers.

It's not their fault Gibbs wasted the 2nd turnover on a Draw Play

It's not their fault Gibbs can't challenge that Yoder got in the end zone because he wasted timeouts

Posted by: mmz114 | November 11, 2007 5:16 PM | Report abuse

chillsonic--If a tree falls in the forest and no one hears it, does it make a sound? Keep it up, dude. I'm admiring your lone attempt to bring cheer -- the sound of one hand clapping.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 11, 2007 5:16 PM | Report abuse

wow, mmz, you really are stupid. I agree with you, not the "Kool Aid" drinkers. But at least I engage them instead of insulting them.

Seriously, am I wishing for the death of a retarded 14 yr old poster?

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | November 11, 2007 5:16 PM | Report abuse

The one area of this team during the return of Gibbs that has been a real puzzle for me is the passing game. The lack of one. Or a consistent one.
Except for a handful of games - whether it was Brunell or Campbell or Ramsey - it's been dreadful.
Sure the defense has been spotty, special teams fair. Offensive line good when healthy. Running game very solid. But the passing game has been the one real weakness of Gibbs 2.0

Posted by: SteveMG | November 11, 2007 5:17 PM | Report abuse

CBT I listen to most of the game on XXX. Did you not hear how Sam and Sonny kept saying why the safeties where 20 yards back? This is Philly with no damn wide outs. I totally don't understand that move.

Posted by: jm220 | November 11, 2007 5:17 PM | Report abuse

I've been a Skins fan for 40 years. My earliest chidhood sports memory is my father coming home from work telling me about Sonny rupturing his achillies in '72. I spend $75 for a cheap seat, $25 for a parking space, $7 for a beer, $100 for a jersey. My tv viewing contribues to the ratings that enable the NFL to charge billions in rights fees, 1/32 of which lines Snyder's pockets. I'm done with this team. That was beyond sickening. I'm beyond mad, I just don't care anymore and neither should anyone else. Fighting their guts out? I don't care. Coaches working harder? I don't care. Blow up the team? I don't care. Fire Vinny? I don't care. Face it, if they win another game this year it will be a miracle. I have better things to do than waste my Sunday watching players who can't play when it counts and coaches who can't coach. Someone else explain this one, I'm done with this train wreck.

Posted by: rmfsports | November 11, 2007 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, am I wishing for the death of a retarded 14 yr old poster?

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | November 11, 2007 05:16 PM

Now why do you want Talent evaluator to die?

I insult the idiot but i don't want him to die

Posted by: mmz114 | November 11, 2007 5:17 PM | Report abuse

thanks jm220

CBT, ur not wrong sean-tay being out opened things up for them, especially on the bomb td they got

Posted by: chrislarry | November 11, 2007 5:17 PM | Report abuse

clinton is the leading rusher so far today

Posted by: chillsonic | November 11, 2007 5:18 PM | Report abuse

100 yrd games from cp are nothing to scoff at, I agree. But isn't the fact that that sort of effort is squandered by playcalling/general team mismanagement the specific problem?

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | November 11, 2007 5:19 PM | Report abuse

I have better things to do than waste my Sunday watching players who can't play when it counts and coaches who can't coach. Someone else explain this one, I'm done with this train wreck.

Posted by: rmfsports | November 11, 2007 05:17 PM


Mmmm you will still watch. I will still watch. Redskins are in your blood.

But I think at least I have reached the point where I have accepted that they won't make the Playoffs this season.

I have accepted the fact that more than likely Redskins will be 4th place NFC East team....I won't be surprised if this win propels the Eagles like it did for the Giants after they beat us.

At least when I can accept that the team is crap, I won't be so pissed off anymore when they lose.

Posted by: mmz114 | November 11, 2007 5:20 PM | Report abuse

thanks evaluator, only i can hear the tree.

Posted by: chillsonic | November 11, 2007 5:20 PM | Report abuse

CBT, ur not wrong sean-tay being out opened things up for them, especially on the bomb td they got

Posted by: chrislarry | November 11, 2007 05:17 PM

That bomb was a badly thrown pass by McNabb. The receiver adjusted, but Proileau overran the play. Taylor might have made a difference.

Worse, I thought, was the screen to Westbrook (which Riggo called) that went for about 1000 yards because of bad tackling. Not sure Taylor would have stopped it, but if he had Westbrook could be out a few weeks.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 11, 2007 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Go figure, Thrash is having a career game and then he gets hurt. Just when I'm starting to believe in the offense, they falter when needed most. And why do the reporters tend to ask Gibbs such cupcake questions when clearly he fouled up numerous times?

Posted by: ga8085 | November 11, 2007 5:23 PM | Report abuse

. . . still hate you, still can't wait for you to die, mmz. The blog -- and the world -- will be better for it.

. . . but nice attempt at civility with that last one. No really, nice try.

You do believe I think that was a nice try, right? Go away, dumbazz.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | November 11, 2007 5:24 PM | Report abuse

mmz114,

ur last post mades, sense...close to my current feelings.....

keep that up and quit the personal attacks, especially the gay stuff...some of us have friends and family who are gay, and if the skins acted more like them, they would be better off....

Posted by: chrislarry | November 11, 2007 5:25 PM | Report abuse

ga8085 -- it's a perfect example of the way that inadequate depth can jump up and bite you. Thrash is too valuable not to keep on special teams even when he's become your de facto #1 receiver. Plus it's just plain bad luck.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | November 11, 2007 5:27 PM | Report abuse

cL, well said, thank you

but we'd still be better off without you if you keep up the insults, mmz. And by "we" I mean the whole world.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | November 11, 2007 5:28 PM | Report abuse

I feel sorry for the guys on this team who actually do play their guts out.

Posted by: kost52 | November 11, 2007 5:29 PM | Report abuse

today it occurred to me that i have too much emotion invested in this football team.

they disappoint so much.

they have these flashes of what look like a legit NFL team. at the beginning of the season, the defense looked stout. today, it was the offense finally looking strong.

it's the propensity to have that squandered by something else- game in and game out- that keep the skins out of the respected pack.

inconsistency- when will that turn around?

they deserved to lose that game today. the defense played without any pride at all. gutless as it gets.

Posted by: dwdjmu | November 11, 2007 5:30 PM | Report abuse

but we'd still be better off without you if you keep up the insults, mmz. And by "we" I mean the whole world.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | November 11, 2007 05:28 PM


Now I can be civil to people like RMF who are not Kool Aid drinking pathetic fools.

Its people like Talentless hack who keeps going on and on about how great gibbs is that gets old.

Posted by: mmz114 | November 11, 2007 5:31 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand for the life of me why no one is questioning the defensive play calling in this loss (Sans jm220). I understand the questioning of the bad play calling on Gibbs on the 3rd down play but there is absolutely no reason at all that we should have been playing our corners 10-20 yards off and not sending pressure when Philly has no threat at WR and McNabb has been known for making mistakes under pressure this year.

Just to be clear I am not a Joe Gibbs lover. I am just unwilling to relinquish my blame on the "bend but don't break" policy of Grilliams and the lack of pressure being put on McNabb. Grilliams is at the least equally to blame for this loss.

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 5:31 PM | Report abuse

kost, I get the sense that they are pros and continue to get their paychecks. Most get a little sick but life goes on. As it should for us. (Note the conditional.)

But there do seem to be a few old-school guys whom this really gets to. Daniels certainly seems to be one, probably CP. Who else do you think is like that, Sam Huff-style?

oh, and can't forget Buges. Love that guy.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | November 11, 2007 5:33 PM | Report abuse

agreed defense sucked today...

the eagles watched the pats tape, did basically the same thing to us, draws and dumps against our overly aggresive d line and uber deep dbacks....

Posted by: chrislarry | November 11, 2007 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Grilliams is at the least equally to blame for this loss.

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 05:31 PM

Redskins got 10 points of Turnovers created by Grilliams defense.

You have Rogers out...Smooth in and out most plays...You have Taylor out. How exactly is he supposed to keep pressuring with that secondary.

Defense made enough plays to win. Offense made enough plays to win.

Gibbs choked. But that's typical of Gibbs 2.0

Posted by: mmz114 | November 11, 2007 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Just for the record. mmz - You do not qualify as an educated response.

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 5:36 PM | Report abuse

bigfish, you're probably right, but I guess the play calling on defense is something Gibbs still has a say in. He has the final say on the game plan on both sides of the ball doesn't he? With doubts on the offense, if you play a bend but don't break game, you keep the clock ticking and the scores low. I reckon no Carlos, and Smoot on an iffy hammy would've contributed as well.

Posted by: kost52 | November 11, 2007 5:37 PM | Report abuse

bigfish, I agree with the idea that Williams deserves his abundantly fair share. Count me in.

Sorry, mmz, because you insult anyone, simply because you disagree with their analysis, that makes you an animal. A raw drag-'em-out-into-the-woods-and-shoot-em animal. I disagree with t-e often myself. But it's you I insult. You're the one who deserves it.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | November 11, 2007 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Just for the record. mmz - You do not qualify as an educated response.

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 05:36 PM

Just for the record, you will still go on and on about "how 4 pts would not make a difference"...

Good call BigF.

Posted by: mmz114 | November 11, 2007 5:37 PM | Report abuse

I disagree with t-e often myself. But it's you I insult. You're the one who deserves it.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | November 11, 2007 05:37 PM

Its the koolaid drinkers I insult. You don't like it, then don't drink the KoolAid

Posted by: mmz114 | November 11, 2007 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Stevie, I reckon London plays his guts out every week. Maybe Carter, he's been great this season. It's just such a shame that the great efforts of some, get erased by the brain fades of others.

Posted by: kost52 | November 11, 2007 5:40 PM | Report abuse

ITA

Posted by: CBT | November 11, 2007 5:40 PM | Report abuse

I am really starting to wonder if Gibbs has a lack of confidence in this team or himself. Think about this for a second. Sellers had to go and beg him for the ball and when he got the chance prove that he can produce. Before last week game Choo Choo had to go to Gibbs and beg him for the ball and he produce two weeks in a row. Shouldn't he know the talent he has and use that talent to win games? Not preach it's going to be close week in and week out. He has the talent on this team to blow out some of these teams but don't. It just makes me wonder.

And I did call out double G today. When Sam keeps asking why they are playing 20 yards back you know something is wrong.

Posted by: jm220 | November 11, 2007 5:42 PM | Report abuse

We are critical of the FO failures. However, we should give them props on Carter. He has been a stud this season. That turnover he caused after Betts's fumble was huge.

Posted by: CBT | November 11, 2007 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Kost,

I think there is a distinction between playing your guts out (PYGO) and getting truly eaten up by losing. The latter is, to my mind, old-school, and stands in great contrast to the majority of athletes. But yes, London seems to have the fire.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | November 11, 2007 5:43 PM | Report abuse

I disagree with t-e often myself.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | November 11, 2007 05:37 PM

Moi?

I thought you were my disciple. Or that I was yours. We were singing off the same page of the hymnal. We were totally in synch. We travelled to the beat of the same drummer. Our two hearts beat as one. Etc.

Man, I've got to go back and reread the last month's archives to see where I went wrong.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 11, 2007 5:44 PM | Report abuse

No Carlos and injured Smoot could be a reason but I counted 1 YES 1 blitz in that entire game and that was when TheRon layed the wood on McNabb and his pass was incomplete. There could have been more but I didn't see it. My feeling is that I would rather break the QB's soul while hitting him a few times and give up a TD or two than sit back in deep coverage and let them dink and dunk on us all day. Granted there was one deep pass that killed us when PP wiffed on the coverage but even then if you would have sent the blitz then would he have had enough time to complete that one.

Like I said before, I just noticed our offense taking a huge step up today and our defense taking ahuge step back.

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 5:46 PM | Report abuse

CBT I agree Carter been bring the wood this year. I just don't understand why they keep playing not to lose. It just doesn't make any sense to me.

Posted by: jm220 | November 11, 2007 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Ha! Exactly. You'll have to go back farther than that, t-e. I'm only posting today, for the first time in a while, because mmz is the summation of all that is wrong and bad and stupid and ugly in this world.

In truth, I might have agreed with you once or twice . . .


mmz: you're still horrible.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | November 11, 2007 5:47 PM | Report abuse

jm220, That's what I said. You are the only one besides myself who called out Grilliams.

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 5:48 PM | Report abuse

mmz: you're still horrible.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | November 11, 2007 05:47 PM


You are still a douche...just not as bad as talentless douche

Posted by: mmz114 | November 11, 2007 5:50 PM | Report abuse

1 blitz in that entire game and that was when TheRon layed the wood on McNabb and his pass was incomplete. The funny thing was after that play on XXX they said McNabb kept point out where L2 was. If people are going to call for Gibbs head (yes I have to admit I starting to lean towards him being gone) then you have to call for Double G to go as well.

Posted by: jm220 | November 11, 2007 5:51 PM | Report abuse

I have a bad feeling about this week.

McNabb and Eagles are going to come into DC with the mind set that this game is their season.

Gibbs and Redskins are going to come into mindset with "hey we won last week". In Typical Gibbs 2.0 team fashin, I sense a letdown.

Posted by: mmz114 | November 9, 2007 04:55 PM


I really shouldn't be this pissed off when I was already expecting a Gibbs 2.0 style choke job early in the week...

But Sunday rolls around and you start hoping that they will get a Win.

Just going to go with instint and call a 21 point loss to Cowgirls next week

Posted by: mmz114 | November 11, 2007 5:52 PM | Report abuse

dmn, bigfish, I guess since I'm hazing mmz everyone but him is skipping my defense-bashing posts.

fair enough. still hate you, mmz. ITA died looong ago. Didn't work. Now this is the Wild West. And you deserve to get eaten by dogs, you waste of a human life.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | November 11, 2007 5:53 PM | Report abuse

dmn, bigfish, I guess since I'm hazing mmz everyone but him is skipping my defense-bashing posts.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | November 11, 2007 05:53 PM


Crying like a little 8 year old girl and complaining about the big bad MMZ hardly counts as hazing little Stevy

Posted by: mmz114 | November 11, 2007 5:55 PM | Report abuse

jm220, I agree that they seem to be playing not to lose, and that's why I'm not blaming Grilliams (or Saunders), I think the game plan is decided during the week, Grilliams implements Joe's gameplan. Like you said, it seems as though he doesn't have faith in his players, and he tries to keep the game close because he feels it's their only chance to win.

This season can still be salvaged. You have to make it known, throughout the entire organisation, that mediocre efforts, and sub-par performances, are NOT acceptable. There's no loyalty in professional sports. If I'm Grilliams, I'm getting into the Danny's ear this week.

Posted by: kost52 | November 11, 2007 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Crying like a little 8 year old girl and complaining about the big bad MMZ hardly counts as hazing little Stevy

Posted by: mmz114 | November 11, 2007 05:55 PM

Going against my own rule about ignoring the a$$clown, there is nothing "big" or "bad" about insulting people over the internet.

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Now we're blaming Gibbs for the defense? Once again I'm not a Gibbs 2.0 lover but I don't get it.

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 6:01 PM | Report abuse

That's ok, mmz, I'm not complaining. I enjoy this and you're the one everybody hates.

Seriously, all those times you've wondered about how people think of you, if you were good enough, or if people cared about you, loved you . . . Now you know for certain -- no one can stand you. Not that you didn't have your suspicions all this time. Ha-ha. I love finding people like you -- isn't anonymity a byatch, mongrel?

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | November 11, 2007 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Going against my own rule about ignoring the a$$clown, there is nothing "big" or "bad" about insulting people over the internet.

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 05:59 PM

I like you better when you try to ignore me and pretend that redskins will still make the playoffs

Posted by: mmz114 | November 11, 2007 6:02 PM | Report abuse

bigfish, he's the boss. Period.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | November 11, 2007 6:02 PM | Report abuse

kost52 it just doesn't add up. If you look at the talent of the team. You look at how really they were running up and down the field (pass and run) on Philly this game shouldn't even had been close. Why in God green earth we are not using Cooley more? Not that I am with the Gibbs haters but some of this stuff really makes you think.

Posted by: jm220 | November 11, 2007 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Now you know for certain -- no one can stand you.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | November 11, 2007 06:01 PM

the only people that can stand you are drinking the laced kool aid...so they are not going to be around that long.

And don't worry i still love you...i will be there to dance on your grave

Posted by: mmz114 | November 11, 2007 6:03 PM | Report abuse

At least I'M not ignoring you, right mmz? you azzclown.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | November 11, 2007 6:05 PM | Report abuse

At least I'M not ignoring you, right mmz? you azzclown.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | November 11, 2007 06:05 PM


Thats why I Luv you azzhat

Posted by: mmz114 | November 11, 2007 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Lions losing 17-7 vs the Cards.

NO loses to Rams.

Girlz/Jints 17-17.

There's still a chance.

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 6:06 PM | Report abuse

I am also tired of "it's all of us". WTF!

Posted by: jm220 | November 11, 2007 6:07 PM | Report abuse

I think its safe to say Gibbs and company have to go. We finally start to open it up, then as we swung the final nail in the coffin, we run a bunch of predictable dumb-azz running plays. I never thought I would be the one to cast a vote of no confidence, but this team's coaching staff blows. Bring on Coach Cower. A CLOSER. Up by 9 and we go soft AGAIN. KRIKEY its ground hog day around here. Excuse me while i get sick.

Posted by: zap123 | November 11, 2007 6:07 PM | Report abuse

using my lines: clever, dipshti.

seriously, you weren't put up for adoption, were you?

did a parent walk out of your life at an early age, maybe?

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | November 11, 2007 6:07 PM | Report abuse

using my lines: clever, dipshti.


Posted by: stevie_in_gp | November 11, 2007 06:07 PM


if i want to look clever, the last thing i will do is use "your lines"

I mean You and Clever clearly don't belong in the same sentence.

Posted by: mmz114 | November 11, 2007 6:10 PM | Report abuse

digging, mmz, digging . . . You are 14, aren't you?

fall in when you're done

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | November 11, 2007 6:12 PM | Report abuse

bigfish, I might be wrong, this is just my theory, but what does Gibbs do? Surely he has the major part of deciding the gameplan. Why does everyone assume he meddles with the offense, but stays out of the defense? It seems to me, that the defensive gameplan is decided around what they believe the offense can do. Rather than have a gameplan based completely on the opponents offense, it seems as though we decide how many point we think we can score, and our gameplan is to keep the opponent under that total.

Grilliams is known for his aggressive play calling. Think about the first time we played the Eagles this season. We did have our corners play tight man coverage, and it worked. I don't think Grilliams would alter that gameplan just for the hell of it.

Maybe I am being a bit harsh on ol' Joe, but you have to think he does more than just say "Al you run the offense, Double G you run the defense, and I'll look after the timeouts".

Posted by: kost52 | November 11, 2007 6:12 PM | Report abuse

bigfish, I think losable type got a hold of this one:


that's just the NFC Gods taunting us, bigfish

I'm with mmz on this one: "playoffs? PLAYOFFS?"

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | November 11, 2007 6:13 PM | Report abuse

digging, mmz, digging . . . You are 14, aren't you?

fall in when you're done

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | November 11, 2007 06:12 PM

If i am 14, that just proves my point about how you are going to die first.

Posted by: mmz114 | November 11, 2007 6:14 PM | Report abuse

I'm with mmz on this one: "playoffs? PLAYOFFS?"

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | November 11, 2007 06:13 PM


Don't agree with me...Agree with the KoolAid drinkers.

Or they will call you a "hater" and whine

Posted by: mmz114 | November 11, 2007 6:15 PM | Report abuse

I got an idea... the both of you get a chat room and duke it out there... as it stands now, neither of you are adding anything significant to this blog.

F chrislarry too

Posted by: Dorf | November 11, 2007 6:16 PM | Report abuse

You know, mmz114 used to post up here as bethesdaboy.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 11, 2007 6:16 PM | Report abuse

kost, Joe was always about the O. Ritchie Pettibone ran the D all those years, hence that awful year after Gibbs retired.

Gibbs is responsible for everything, but his natural inclination has got to be to stick his fingers in the O more than the D. I'm sure, with his personality, Williams demands a greater degree of autonomy than does Weird Al.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | November 11, 2007 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Al you run the offense, Double G you run the defense, and I'll look after the timeouts".

Almost agree, except that Gibbs can't even run the timeouts correctly. Is there a reason on earth we needed to pull a time out so early in the second half? No. Awful, just awful.

And can someone stop the Gibbs 2.0 jabber. It is not like web 2.0, which is a STUPID term to begin with.

The skins are mediocre and its clear Gibbs and company CANNOT run this team. They lack killer instinct. Oh what I wouldnt give for a hard ass like Bellicheck or Cowher. They dont go soft on the play calling, and they put the final stranglehold on a team. We are just a bunch of chumps. I am sick of this team, its incompetent owner, Vinny the azzclown, and the coaching staff unwilling to finish.

Posted by: zap123 | November 11, 2007 6:17 PM | Report abuse

You know, mmz114 used to post up here as bethesdaboy.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 11, 2007 06:16 PM


talent evaluator used to post here as "the idiot that worships Gibbs even after 14 blown leads in 2nd half"

O wait...he still post under that name

Posted by: mmz114 | November 11, 2007 6:18 PM | Report abuse

The skins are mediocre and its clear Gibbs and company CANNOT run this team. They lack killer instinct. Oh what I wouldnt give for a hard ass like Bellicheck or Cowher. They dont go soft on the play calling, and they put the final stranglehold on a team. We are just a bunch of chumps.

Posted by: zap123 | November 11, 2007 06:17 PM


We had that in Marty...who i thought was the best coach since gibbs 1.0 days

But Danny got rid of him because Marty won't let him pick his players and got us Spurrier

Posted by: mmz114 | November 11, 2007 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Dorf, I appreciate that, bud. Been here a long time, longer than me. If you think I should stop occupying this guy, I'll abide, certainly. But civility should rule.

mmz, statistics are also not your strong point, eh? What if I'm 23, and a woman? What then, genius?

Send me an e-mail at jcanix@hotmail.com and we can continue this where no one else has to listen. But you continue to insult people on here, and I'm still gonna cheer your death. You have the character to step up to the challenge or will you continue to be a human being that others despise?

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | November 11, 2007 6:22 PM | Report abuse

kost, I have to gree with whoever said that Gibbs seems to stay more on the offensive side of the ball.

Unfortunately I also have to agree with troll boy that Marty was the beast thing we've had in the last 15 years.

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 6:23 PM | Report abuse

I'm still gonna cheer your death.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | November 11, 2007 06:22 PM


I already told you that you are going to die first...probably from anal cancer from walking around with that stick up your butt

Posted by: mmz114 | November 11, 2007 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Unfortunately I also have to agree with troll boy that Marty was the beast thing we've had in the last 15 years.

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 06:23 PM


See isn't it better when you put down the Koolaid and look at reality?

Posted by: mmz114 | November 11, 2007 6:26 PM | Report abuse

awww, you keep talking so pretty up here, mmz, I'm not gonna be able to abide.

(Sorry Dorf -- I know it's your line.)

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | November 11, 2007 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Peace out...Off to dinner with the "friends that I am not supposed to have"...

time to forget about this week and start thinking about next season with a competent head coach.

Posted by: mmz114 | November 11, 2007 6:28 PM | Report abuse

hear, hear mmz. I simply think a new staff is needed at this point.

Weird when it's the guys who agree with you who hate you and insult you, isn't it, monkeyboy?

as for friends, I never said you didn't have any, just that you types always find each other, just 'cus all others have shunned you for so long.

choke on that dinner, and you have my e-mail, captain courageous.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | November 11, 2007 6:32 PM | Report abuse

OK enough of the talking and picking apart the team in football talk and should could would...BOTTOM LINE IS THIS....THE Redskins SUCK! END of Story...No questions no IFs...The is NOT a good football team....Hope has completely faded....I just want this season to end and move on!

Posted by: leevi98 | November 11, 2007 6:33 PM | Report abuse

I was watching a special on NFL network and they had a former player on there (it might have been in the pre-season game schedule this year), I forget his name. He was talking about growing up as a kid and as a young man as a Saints fan, being in that general Gulf area the Saints were the only real Pro sports team to root for. And then he said something that gave me pause. He said he was no longer a Saints fan.

He went on to explain that through all the years when they had the great defenses and greta regular season records, but lost badly in the early rounds of the play-offs followed by all the garbage bag head losing stuff that they had built up and torn down his expectations so many times and let him down so hard emotionally that he simply had to cut them out of his life.

I think I am reaching the same place with the Redskins. I simply can't give year after year like this, its too draining. As much as I despise casual fans who can sit through a game with no blood-pressure change, I must become one..to survive.

Posted by: DownTownClown | November 11, 2007 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Girls,

Boys will HUMILIATE this sorry sack of a team.

Cry, write it down, and give however many points there are to give.

Sorry.

Posted by: gdennie | November 11, 2007 6:35 PM | Report abuse

DownTC, I hear that a lot from my Skins fan friends. I suspect that is the exact same feeling a lot of us are dealing with. It's not fun.

But there are a ton of teams/fans that have had similar frustrations as we over the last 15 years, and many more who have never had playoff and Super Bowl success. We have been spoiled, at least if we're over 25.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | November 11, 2007 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Not that I agree with those who believe that a beat reporter, a professional, is purposefully/undeservedly negative about the team he or she covers, but I do know that Jasno won't be happy about his poor Ravens this week . . . Guh. Better 5-4 in the NFC than 4-5 in the AFC.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | November 11, 2007 6:46 PM | Report abuse

I agree that due to his offensive background, Joe is more likely to tinker with the O. But I do think he still has the major say in what he wants the defense to do, and Grilliams takes it from there.

I posted this before, but it disappeared.

If you wait a while, I'll post my theory on why Joe Gibbs is responsible for loseable type.

Posted by: kost52 | November 11, 2007 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps a "keep it under 20 points, Greg" kind of agreement, kost? That certainly seems to be what the deep cover and making the opposing O grind it out with long drives are designed to do.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | November 11, 2007 6:51 PM | Report abuse

mmz--

Bad imitation. It was Gibbs' fault that we lost the game. Terrible play-calling inside the five. That's on Gibbs. He let the players down, big time.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 11, 2007 04:17 PM
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WELCOME TO THE DARK SIDE BUDDY.

HAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | November 11, 2007 6:55 PM | Report abuse

But there are a ton of teams/fans that have had similar frustrations as we over the last 15 years, and many more who have never had playoff and Super Bowl success. We have been spoiled, at least if we're over 25.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | November 11, 2007 06:42 PM


That's right. Thing is, that once you go through a bad period, a good period feels so much sweeter. Unfortunately, after you go through a good period, a bad period hurts so much more.

Posted by: kost52 | November 11, 2007 6:57 PM | Report abuse


BIGFISH CLAIMS...
"Gibbs is to blame for the WR's dropping critical passes in the 4th. Gibbs is to blame for the defense giving up 33 points. 21 in the 4th Q. Gibbs is to blame for the O-line's false start that got us into that 3rd and goal situation in the first place. WRONG!!"

CORKCZAR RETORTS TOO EASILY....

You'd think someone named "Bigfish" would know when a ship sinks the captain is blamed. Therefore the answer to your questions isn't WRONG but RIGHT.

The trouble with your argument is it is refuted simply by comparing Joe Gibbs to JOE GIBBS. The OLD GIBBS didn't lose games in the secvond half like this one does almost always, he won them. He made adjustments that won games held and stretched leads.

The OLD JOE GIBBS didn't tolerate players who continuously made mental errors. The new one has loads of them. The OLD JOE GIBBS knew how to manage timeouts. My dog manages timeouts better than Gibbs did today (Or in MANY other games) and my dog poops on the rug.

You sound like a new fan. Those of us who remember OLD JOE GIBBS in his prime finds this one horrifically lacking, not only in skills he once had, but in two other critical factors. A great owner, and a great GM who got him the talent he needed.


I tell you what Gibbs is to blame for and that is 361 yards of total offense, 3 passing TD's and 137 yards rushing. A huge step up from what we are used to seeing.
Our defense lost this game and you can blame that on Grilliams and his sorry a$$ play calling.
Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 04:33 PM ibbs is to blame for the WR's dropping critical passes in the 4th. Gibbs is to blame for the defense giving up 33 points. 21 in the 4th Q. Gibbs is to blame for the O-line's false start that got us into that 3rd and goal situation in the first place. WRONG!!
I tell you what Gibbs is to blame for and that is 361 yards of total offense, 3 passing TD's and 137 yards rushing. A huge step up from what we are used to seeing.
Our defense lost this game and you can blame that on Grilliams and his sorry a$$ play calling.
Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 04:33 PM

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Posted by: SonofNero | November 11, 2007 7:02 PM | Report abuse

PREACH THE TRUTH PASTOR CORKCZAR. TALENT_EVALUATOR IS EVEN ON OUR SIDE NOW.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | November 11, 2007 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Stevie, yeah that's what I think, and I think that restricts how Grilliams would like to play it. That said though, he did go over that 20 points today.

Has there been any talk of why Macklin isn't playing? Having two young corners like Torrence and Eubanks as your #3 & #4 CB's has to restict you a little too.

Posted by: kost52 | November 11, 2007 7:03 PM | Report abuse

And after all of what happened today, I'll be stupid enough to tune in to next week's sure to be agonizing game against the Cowboys.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 11, 2007 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Old Gibbs lost his stones
Protect the one point lead! Yeah,
Gibbs the game away!

Posted by: SonofNero | November 11, 2007 7:08 PM | Report abuse

I don;t understand cork. Are you chastising me or agreeing with me with that last post.

I guess the point is that Gibbs 1.0 ain't walking through that door so get over it. If you want to fast forward to next year the so be it but some of us are still clinging to hopes for this year no matter how stupid you may think we are.

Yes, we may not make it to the SB this year but playing meaningfull games in Dec and possibly making it to the playoffs after a 5-11 season last year is good enough for some of us fans who keep the light on for years to come.

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 7:11 PM | Report abuse

The team is fighting hard! You can blame the coaches on this one...Gibbs is holding on to tight. Jeez oh Flip! Throw the ball!! And blitz someone when its 3rd and 21???? What's really disapointing is the fans saw it coming and the coaches are clueless! Another year about to be gone and we still STINK! Please Joe no stats this week we lost!

Posted by: LongTimeSkinsFan | November 11, 2007 7:12 PM | Report abuse

sieskani
LOL I wonder if that's going to be a new word in the dictionary.
GIBBS: To consistently lose 4th quarter leads due to incompetent and conservative play calling.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 11, 2007 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Hey, on a positive note at least next week I don't have to go to a bar to watch the game. I can stay home in my tighty-whitey's, drinking my sorrows away, hanging out with cheech and chong, while watching the skins.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | November 11, 2007 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Not sure if we should be happy that the Jints are 6-3 or not. I guess this is a good thing since Detroit is losing as well.

Posted by: bigfish | November 11, 2007 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Nobody asked, but I'll tell you all anyway. My theory is, that just as you press submit, Joe gets a little confused, and calls a timeout, and the post is then lost.

Posted by: kost52 | November 11, 2007 7:21 PM | Report abuse

I'm Coach Gibbs' biggest fan, but either he needs to hire a game/time management consultant, or he needs to go. I cheered for days when he was hired, but he needs to understand the scoring mechanics with the 2-point PAT:

When you're up in the 1st half, you don't go for 2 to "make up" for the missed extra point. When you're leading, don't gamble - that's reserved for the team that's behind.

http://www.sportsquant.com/twopoints8ptlead.htm

Posted by: mel_gibson_ | November 11, 2007 7:22 PM | Report abuse

pretty pathetic that was. and for those who're up here with holier than thou attitudes about not blaming gibbs when the receivers are dropping passes and such...

i think you forget that he's the one who picked those players. not bobby bethard or another GM. HE IS THE ONE. and he gets up there and says "blame me". well, i want his friggin resignation and money returned for the tickets for the past 4 years.

ohh wait you want to ibtch and moan about the o-line? who the fck told him to do give away draft picks??????? you don't think he's to blame for the o-line, WRs, corner backs, d-line? get your heads out of your asses!

HE is to blame for all that goes wrong cuz he is the one that made the decision to stay the fck away from the draft and make love to the FA's.

and with the FA's you get aging,hurt veterans without any depth behind them. moss, washington, griff, sean springs, smoot.

yes, he is the one to blame. more so than any other coach in the NFL because he could've told danny to suck his 'ick and danny would've but no gibbs wanted to and liked the FA's instead of the draft. no other coach, other than lombardy has ever had as much power over an organization than gibbs does. and look what he did with it!!!! "stick to coaching old man!"

as far as this game is concerned. it was lost when greg williams didn't want to blitz a mistake prone, sucking under pressure QB named mcnaab.

Posted by: dealer | November 11, 2007 7:22 PM | Report abuse

They had a sure TD to a wide open James Thrash (Eagles were in the wrong defense) that would have made it 29-22, BUT.... Cooley moved early.

So that's whose fault? Gibbs? Snyder? Cerrato? Saunders?

It's Cooley mistake.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 11, 2007 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Russ Grimm in 2 years anyone? Realizing that only true Redskins can coach this franchise. Its possible

Posted by: signicolls_03 | November 11, 2007 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Correction to my earlier post: The missed opportunity to Thrash when Cooley was called for the false start would have made it 29-20.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 11, 2007 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Mr.Redskins21 - It's Cooleys boneheaded mistake. But you can still blame Joe. He runs practices, practice is where you eliminate those sort of mistakes. It all starts and ends with Joe. Everything does.

Dealer, let it all out mate.

Posted by: kost52 | November 11, 2007 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Mel Gibson, that was pretty interesting reading!

Posted by: kost52 | November 11, 2007 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Mr.Redskins21 - It's Cooleys boneheaded mistake. But you can still blame Joe. He runs practices, practice is where you eliminate those sort of mistakes. It all starts and ends with Joe. Everything does.

Dealer, let it all out mate.

Posted by: kost52 | November 11, 2007 07:30 PM
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Yet for some reason, talent_evaluator and the rest of the kool-aid drinkers couldn't wrap their heads around that concept earlier.

Also, I would like to retract all of my previous statements and begin anew by stating that Joe Gibbs can do no wrong, none what-so-ever.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | November 11, 2007 7:34 PM | Report abuse

I should be the new Redskins headcoach. Heck, I'm always undefeated with 'em when I play Madden on my playstation.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | November 11, 2007 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Who here ever remembers watching Coach Gibbs on the sidelines in the 80's and 90's looking absolutely confused about the game? Now it appears that every time the camera catches him he looks lost. Is it he has completely given up control of the game to a former Buffalo losing coach and an offensive coordinator from KC that could win? Or has he really just lost the commplete desire to win? Sadly, I know that the Gibbs of Round 1 would never have settled for this level of play. Again that is why I want him to give up the game. I want to be able to remember the good days of Gibbs versus this abortion he calls coaching.

Posted by: taylorlaw | November 11, 2007 7:49 PM | Report abuse

That should have read "an offensive coordinator that could NOT win."

Posted by: taylorlaw | November 11, 2007 7:50 PM | Report abuse

i think the skins need to come up with some way to keep joe from coaching in the fourth quarter. let him run the team for the first three, then bring in a closer of sorts for the 4th. did anyone else see the stat that said the skins have entered the 4th quarter of every game this season with the lead (exc. patriots)? it's pitiful that you can fall apart that many times.

Posted by: alexan_simon | November 11, 2007 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Guys, We really fought our guts out up here tonight. We had some really core Redskins step up like James and Keenan. I'm super proud of these guys. Clinton played a heck of a game especially when I called the draw play on 3rd and goal. I'm also super proud of the way Jason played. There was no other alternative than to call that run play on 3rd and goal because we had to protect Jason from being discouraged. Keep on hanging on fans. Every game is going to be close up here and we just have to keep playing our guts out with every swinging soul we have especially when I'm napping on the sidelines in between having my Depends changed.

Posted by: joe_gibbs | November 11, 2007 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Of course Gibbs can do wrong, and does.

The players still have to make plays.

Bottom line is we had a 25-20 lead with 4 minutes left.

Gibbs coaching had nothing to do with our defense letting Westbrook go unscathed 65 yards for the go-ahead TD.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 11, 2007 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Of course Gibbs can do wrong, and does.

The players still have to make plays.

Bottom line is we had a 25-20 lead with 4 minutes left.

Gibbs coaching had nothing to do with our defense letting Westbrook go unscathed 65 yards for the go-ahead TD.


Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 11, 2007 07:55 PM

True, but his coaching did have something to do with running a draw play on 3rd and goal, when going for the touchdown would've pretty much put the game out of reach. If coach Joe needs some stones, I'll lend him one of mine for a game or two.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | November 11, 2007 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Forgive me for beating a dead horse here I'm sure, but I haven't made it through the 500+ posts. I dont know what is more disturbing, the fact that Jason's blog isn't showing up on the regular spot on the Redskins section on the Post, or trying to watch this team play the forth quarter.

In short, the D gave up. My nine year old could have run through that hole for the final TD by Philly. What was it, seven tries to get it into the endzone, all runs, and NOTHING?!? I have not heard the press conf by Gibs but I'm sure its more of the same BS. Frankly, it's hard for me to care when obviously they can't be bothered to play a full 60 minuts of ball.

A head coach, regardless of level or sport, has one duty to his team. That is to get his players ready for the game. He must inspire them to perform at their highest levels. Our roster is full of tallent, and yet week in and week out, the Skins look like a bunch of Highschool players out there by the time the forth quarter rolls around. I'm of the oppinion that they could find a way to loose a game even with a New England type of lead.

I'm sickened by this season. All the potential, all the makings of a great year, and we can't finish a game. The Cowboys and Giants are going to eat us for lunch. Wouldn't surprise me if they came out with their entire practice squad to play us, so not to risk any of their starters.

If our D can only play if Springs is in the lineup, then that says it all. In short, to quote the movie about the Redskins scab team from the 80's, "you have to have heart to win", and right now, we are the Tinman.

Posted by: ssmyth | November 11, 2007 8:00 PM | Report abuse

I guess I am a koolaid drinker but I will continue to to be optimistic unless the team is actually mathmatically eliminated. Today was a very disappointing loss. However on the postive side the offense the last two weeks appears to be getting better. Hope the defense can step it back up.
As for the whole Gibbs arguement, I too had hoped he would ride in on the white horse and make everything right. Obviously that has not happened. However, things are still better then before he came back. At least the team is still in the playoff hunt at the half way point. Today didn't help but they aren't eliminated and in better shape then some teams. Nothing is or should change during the season. The year will play itself out and depending on what happens decisions on the future should be made.

Posted by: mbearden | November 11, 2007 8:01 PM | Report abuse

They had a sure TD to a wide open James Thrash (Eagles were in the wrong defense) that would have made it 29-22, BUT.... Cooley moved early.

So that's whose fault? Gibbs? Snyder? Cerrato? Saunders?

It's Cooley mistake.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 11, 2007 07:22 PM


A great pass playcall would've resulted in an easy TD, but was negated by a false start. A players mistake? Yes.

How does the coach respond? By taking the ball out of the hands of his QB who has thrown for 3tds on the day and who has a 115 qb rating inside the red zone on the season (6 TDs, 0 INTs). Does he really think Porits is going to pound it in from seven yards away? As great as Portis played, Gibbs knows thats a give up play, settling for the FG. A coaches mistake? Absolutely

Posted by: alexan_simon | November 11, 2007 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Well, it's a tough loss, but I did like some of what I saw today.

JC was 23/34 for 215 yards and 3 TDs, 0 INTs, and Portis had 30 carries for 137 yards.

What worries me is the possibility that our defense has gone south ever since being smacked around by New England.

They let Kellen Clemens pick them apart last week and today they let a crippled McNabb stay alive.

If we can't stop people, then it won't matter how many points we score on offense.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 11, 2007 8:03 PM | Report abuse

>>> "Donde esta Diddy? Incarcerated in Barcelona?"

Nope, been in Finland for a couple of days. Had a really bad incident happen last Sunday (during the game, which is why I disappeared from BMGO). Turns out my pet sitter took my dog out of my condo (which I never allow), left him in the car, went off to run errands, and returned to find him stolen. I've been nothing short of devastated by it, and in between working on the road, have been coordinating searches and sign postings, and dealing with lawyers. My friends back home, including bar owners, bartenders, work friends, social friends, homeless people, the whole deal have been absolutely amazing canvassing the neighborhoods around Seattle.

I've pretty much given up all hope at this point. My little guy is gone for good, I'm afraid. I decided to come up here to Finland and hang out with a really good friend of mine. I'm not particularly excited about going home, and have been contemplating traveling indefinitely. But my friends have convinced me to come home (and my friend here in Finland is getting sick of me :-) ), so it's back home tomorrow AM.

The only reason I bring this up now is that everyone should be very, very leery about leaving their pets in their cars, tied up outside while dropping in for a Starbucks, or otherwise leaving them unattended, even in yards. Dog snatchers are very real, as I've learned, and they prey on little dogs in particular. Now, you may think that these dogs are re-homed to other people. Actually, that's not true. When dogs are stolen like mine was, they are most typically used in puppy mills, fed to dogs in dog fighting rings, or sold as food for larger animals. Sometimes, they are killed within hours and sold to veterinary schools.

I apologize for my long post, but as this has become a family/community for me and several others, I thought I'd go ahead and write it up.

(Oh, and I did watch the game on NFL GamePass, and they are who we thought they were: a mediocre team with no ability to win close games. Fortunately, all one has to do is look at the standings and with the exception of the Cowboys and Packers, everyone else is muddled in the middle. All hope is not lost.)

Posted by: PDiddy | November 11, 2007 8:04 PM | Report abuse

It was another pitiful performance by our defense. One player goes out of the game and they forget how to play. Gibbs can't tackle people, can he?

All of the Gibbs-Naysayers will be eventually be rewarded by Gibbs' stepping down as coach and Saunders and Williams being let go...and then...well...we return to the days of perennial 4-12 and 6-10 seasons.

Posted by: 2greekdc | November 11, 2007 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Even though I don't like his insults, I do like mmz's theory on Moss. JC's two best games have been when Santana didn't play. Whether that's because JC's looks for him too much, and forces passes his way, or if it's because the play calling is different when Moss is on the field I don't know. But I think it's something they should look into.

Here's an interesting stat, of Soup's 34 passes 21 were thrown to WR's, which is almost 62%, markedly higher than the 52% he had for the season to date. Of his 12 first half attempts, 11 were to WR's.

Posted by: kost52 | November 11, 2007 8:10 PM | Report abuse

if the jets WR doesn't drop that ball, jets win, if the dolphins win that toss, if the lions could play outside...

like coach joe says "games aren't won or lost on any one play". jc had scored 3 TD's all in the red zone. to not give him a chance to do it again from the 8 is just plain stupid.

Posted by: dealer | November 11, 2007 8:10 PM | Report abuse

I disagree that the 3rd down draw play was a give up. My guess is the Redskins figured Philly would be totally looking pass and tried to cross them up. If it failed they would take the field goal and go up by 5 forcing Philly to score a touchdown. My guess is Gibbs had faith that the defense would step up to the occasion. Sometime faith fails you.

As for the last Westbrook touchdown, that was purely a give away to get the ball back with some time and a chance to score.

You can question and examine every call and play of the game, however, bottomline is that Phillys defense got it done at the end and Redskins did not.

As for the difference between Gibbs 1 and Gibbs 2 I will give you one name - Pettibon. His defense would never have given up 20 points in the fourth quarter. And would have blown very few fourth quarter leads. When comparing blown 2nd half leads now versus then you need to consider the defense.

Posted by: mbearden | November 11, 2007 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Gregg Williams is as much to blame as Gibbs.

McNabb folds like a cheap suit when you hit him early and often, yet the Redskins did not blitz.

Additionally, the ONLY play-maker the Eagles have, Westbrook, had a field day.

Unprepared? You bet.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 11, 2007 8:14 PM | Report abuse

P Diddy, sorry to hear you've had no luck with Prozac. Hang in there matey.

Posted by: kost52 | November 11, 2007 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Some players are so good you can't stop them no matter how hard you prepare. Westbrook is like second in the NFL in total offense coming into this game so him having a decent game is not the problem. Letting McMuffin hit long passes to those sorry receivers is.

I have to agree with Doc Walker on this: Given the job security of the coaches, what are they afraid of? Why are they so risk averse?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | November 11, 2007 8:21 PM | Report abuse

jm220 I think all redskinette fans have lost interest in your kool-aide driven opinions which always turn out to make idiots of all who listen,I think the majority would like you and a few other kool-aide drinkers to SHUT the FU** UP! Dude the redskins suck and theres very little promise for the future & the Cowboys are gonna put an ASS wooping on this pathetic team! Just like that ASS wooping you got today but much worse! Ahh hahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahaLOSERS

Posted by: booredskinfanhoo | November 11, 2007 8:23 PM | Report abuse

"Craphonso Thorpe" may be the most unfortunate name in the history of professional sports...

Posted by: PDiddy | November 11, 2007 8:27 PM | Report abuse

If the Skins can go 4-3 (which is a lousy record) in the last 7 games, 9-7 should get them in.

Their only competition for the 6th playoff spot right now is Detroit, which lost to Arizona and plays the Giants next week and still has to play the Packers twice.

But like I said, if the Redskins defense doesn't get it together, we're toast.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 11, 2007 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Is it just me, or do we have way too many fumbles on the centre/quarterback exchange?

Posted by: kost52 | November 11, 2007 8:29 PM | Report abuse

rumor: sean taylor with possible grade 2 MCL sprain. MRI tomorrow

Posted by: alexan_simon | November 11, 2007 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Great, that's just what we need.

Posted by: kost52 | November 11, 2007 8:44 PM | Report abuse

I think it's quaint that the "make toast with your phone" commercial shows the 'Skins tied with the Patriots at 21. It could happen!

kost, thanks for the well wishes, mate.

Posted by: PDiddy | November 11, 2007 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Wouldn't you love to know what Dan Snyder's thinking? Guy's put all his money on Gibbs and it's clear Gibbs is not repaying the investment. How does he get rid of Gibbs, gracefully? Does he still trust Cerrato? And what does he make of Williams and Saunders? Who would he like for his next coach?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 11, 2007 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Jasno's posts are always a little difficult to decipher, but he was spot on earlier when he said that watching the Skins will give you hives today, and you'll be in a shambles, baby.

Posted by: kost52 | November 11, 2007 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Diddy,

Hurts to read your story about your dog. I'm really sorry for you.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 11, 2007 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Just a sprain, not an MCL grade 2..gimmie a break

Posted by: pmedvene33 | November 11, 2007 8:49 PM | Report abuse

t_e - It's interesting isn't it. As I said earlier, I think the season can still be salvaged. Does Danny think Joe can do it? I admit that it would be harsh to sack Joe, while he has a winning record, but when it comes to The Dan, would it surprise you?

Posted by: kost52 | November 11, 2007 8:51 PM | Report abuse

My nine year old could have run through that hole for the final TD by Philly.

Posted by: ssmyth | November 11, 2007 08:00 PM

Dude, that was a smart play by the Redskins. What did you want them to do, one point down and no time outs? They had to let the Eagles score fast and get the ball back. The D did not "give up."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 11, 2007 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Game was lost on that gutless 3rd and goal draw. You could see a TD coming for the Eagles on the next drive from miles away. Gibbs thinks he is doing the smart thing to help his team win by being conservative. He needs to take a long look in the mirror cause he is losing more than he wins and is one of the leading reasons for our failures. Today made me sick and so disappointed...couldn't even get angry.

Posted by: cdubb | November 11, 2007 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Today made me sick and so disappointed...couldn't even get angry.

Posted by: cdubb | November 11, 2007 08:52 PM


I reckon that's the perfect way to describe it.

Posted by: kost52 | November 11, 2007 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Diddy, sorry to hear about your loss. Have you contacted the local po-po?

Any chance you could get another one to replace the last one, or is it too early for that.

Again, condolences..

Posted by: gregmarino88 | November 11, 2007 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Diddy,
I can't believe someone would steal your dog.
That's low.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | November 11, 2007 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Why should Snyder "get rid of Gibbs?"

First of all, let's get this much out in the open: Daniel Snyder is never going to "fire" Joe Gibbs. When Gibbs leaves, he'll resign.

Secondly, Snyder gave Norv Turner 7 seasons here - I remember each one of them vividly - like consecutive nightmares.

Gibbs is in the middle of his 4th season.

He'll finish his contract next year, in my opinion, then retire.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 11, 2007 8:58 PM | Report abuse

snatched defeat from the jaws again this week.....can't finish....both the offense and defense are equally at fault.... with a lead either or both need to need to drive the stake into the heart.....problem is we lack the "it" guy on both sides of the ball.....on offense our proven players are portis who is a very phiscal player but cleary a level below elite ( in terms of game breaking/homerun hitting) and moss who is a real weapon in about half of the 12 games a year he plays in....right now thats what we are missing...Westbroke is an "it" player we game planned him all week and he just killed us....same story on Defense...to close a game you need a pass rush...that no doubt about it pressure that gets you a sack or a hurried throw in crunch time...our rush is better but not the kind the closes the door....Gibbs is and always will be conservative with his calls, he tends to go for it once but when in doubt runs something and hope it cathes the defense looking for somethimg else.Overall we are what I and most of probbally thought an average team still squarley in the playoff mix...most likey to every week close... I did like the no huddle and use of the middle of the field...and hate to say but the injury to thrash will force Mcardell into the lineup along with caldwell and the reciever...I think that is an upgrade to the passing game ... more speed ...I could be very wrong especially if we get nothing from lloyd..... overall disapointing but the silver lining and thereasons tio stay tunned , stilla ways to go and Jason made another small step up....

Posted by: Oldschool | November 11, 2007 8:59 PM | Report abuse

i continue to mispell everything in my rush ...but you guys now what i mean...not sayin...

Posted by: Oldschool | November 11, 2007 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Diddy

Sorry to hear about your dog. Hopefully, things will somehow turn out for the best

Adam

Posted by: argh | November 11, 2007 9:03 PM | Report abuse

MrRedskin--Cook gave Turner most of those seasons here, not Snyder. Snyder sacked Turner mid-season and replaced him with Terry Robiskie in, what?, Snyder's second season as owner.

I'm not saying he'll humiliate Gibbs like that, but it's clear to everyone that the job of running the Redskins is beyond Gibbs at this point in his career. Snyder wants to win and he wants to win now.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 11, 2007 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Watched the game out of town with an Eagles fan. He was really torqued that the Eagles would lose. I reassured him that there was enough time for the Skins to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Sure enough. Once again, this team finds the same way to KEEP LOSING winnable games. Coupled with the NYG loss, a win at home against a struggling division foe in disarray, with a good game from the QB, WRs and great game from Portis would have put the team in great position. But this was entirely predictable based on past performance. You can read this like a bad novel. Now comes tougher games on the road. And there were discussions of winning records and playoffs on this board...??? Time for the KoolAid Brigades to step up and acknowledge that this team is - and has been - in sorry shape for years and there is little hope of significant change in the future. Better get used to it - this franchise is in the lower echelon of the league.

Posted by: i155133 | November 11, 2007 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, all, for the condolences and well wishes. Those little guys happen to have a way of working themselves into your life pretty deeply. I'm not looking forward to going home to an empty condo. I will almost certainly get another dog, but will likely wait until Spring and good weather makes housebreaking more tolerable.

BBM is having the worst game of his life tonight, eh? I keep hoping this game will turn out to be something good, because I'm bored to tears in my hotel room and want to stay on US time before I fly out.

As for "Mr." Snyder...he was desperate after the Spurrier experiment failed so miserably. He had to do something to regain some credibility with the fans. St. Joe certainly qualifies. But, as t-e so aptly puts it, that investment is not paying off. I am not one to blame "Mr." Snyder for everything, nor am I one to vilify him unnecessarily. I actually respect his business acumen a great deal. But I fear the 'Skins will never regain the form of their glory years with him in charge.

Posted by: PDiddy | November 11, 2007 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Can someone tell me why JLC's Blog doesn't show up on the Post's website on the left in the Redskins section?

Posted by: ssmyth | November 11, 2007 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Oldschool.
I didn't get to watch the game. Did the defense get worn down? Did they spend too much time on the field and not have the gas for the 4th?

Posted by: _Stumped_ | November 11, 2007 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Everyone wants to "win now."

That isn't a new principle in sports or business.

Gibbs isn't responsible for false starts (Cooley), bonehead penalties (Redskins had a season-high in penalties today, the most damaging on defense) or poor tackling.

These athletes are paid insane amounts of money to perform, to execute. You can only "coach someone up" to a point. They have to take responsibility in the game.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 11, 2007 9:12 PM | Report abuse

At crunch time, they could not punch the ball in from a few yards away and committed silly motion penalties on what looked to be far too complex a shift for a goal line stand. And don't try to claim that Seller's injury was an issue - they had plenty of chances and blew it. Shades of the NYG game at home. And this team's identity is supposed to be hard nosed rushing...??? And how 'bout that vaunted defense. Sure, the injury to Taylor was a factor but how do you let Westbrook loose with weak efforts at arm tackles...??? And how does McNabb complete that pass into double coverage where both defenders were out of position...??? I'm sick and tired of hearing about what a stout defense this is. Offense put some points on the board this time and then the defense failed to protect the lead on blowing big plays - just like happens each and every year.

Posted by: i155133 | November 11, 2007 9:12 PM | Report abuse

BBM is having the worst game of his life tonight, eh?

Posted by: PDiddy | November 11, 2007 09:07 PM

What a coincidence -- Norv Turner's having his best night as a head coach. Can't believe this will last.

I read your earlier e/m to my wife and daughter and it broke them up. Then my wifey asked "This was on the Redskins blog?"

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 11, 2007 9:13 PM | Report abuse

The less said about the game, the better. Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, yet again.

On the music side, the Hives' new album is good stuff - think they're still streaming all the tracks on their myspace if you want to listen before you buy. Babyshambles, meh - I like the sound, I just refuse to give that idiot Doherty any money.

Posted by: hannnah | November 11, 2007 9:21 PM | Report abuse

rmf sports - this is what needs to be finally said over and over again.

Posted by: i155133 | November 11, 2007 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Do the Chargers have the best throwback unis?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 11, 2007 9:24 PM | Report abuse

ssmyth -

It does, I think it's just been moved from on the left where it once was. Now it has it's own 'header' above the main picture.

Posted by: kost52 | November 11, 2007 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Poopis portis aka choo choo (retard)doesnt even realize he is the butt of peoples jokes and when he says he can carry this team as long as they feed him the ball and they give it to him 30 times against a Defense living off of reputation and Poopis cant deliver then he looks like more of an idiot then he does with the makeup!!Now the joke is Poopis is dressing up as an NFL running back. How many times did he touch the rock inside the 20?

Posted by: booredskinfanhoo | November 11, 2007 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Listened to the post-game presser again and gleaned this nugget: Gibbs really is a clueless jerk the 2nd time around. His HOF bust needs a big asterisk above it that says: couldn't even manage a game clock or timeouts when he returned.

"We lost it together." No duh, Pops! I'm still reeling from no-talent evaluator's throwing Gibbs under the bus today after he rags on us for criticizing St. Joe and telling us all it's the players not the coaches. That has to be the most classless, gutless, blogger I've run across in quite a while. Doesn't even have the courage of his own convictions to stand by now. He'll have to adopt a new name 'cause he has no credibility on this site anymore.

Clearly, this needs to be Gibbs' last season. Hire a freakin' chimp if you have to! But fire that alzheimin' old dude!

Posted by: Soups1 | November 11, 2007 9:26 PM | Report abuse

t-e, I think the 'Skins 70th anniversary uniforms (the spear and dark burgundy) are my favorites. But the powder blue works for me as well.

Can't wait until we see the Texans and Jaguars' throwback uniforms :-)

Posted by: PDiddy | November 11, 2007 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Looks like mmz/bethesdaboy's mom made him go to bed early tonight, but booredskinfanhoo's mom is giving him a late night. Monday's a holiday in a lot of these kids' schools.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 11, 2007 9:28 PM | Report abuse

FU** our team the redskins are terrible in all phases! im jumping ship and hoping Americas team ship picks me up in the water because Romo -Mania is in the air!

Posted by: booredskinfanhoo | November 11, 2007 9:29 PM | Report abuse

People wanted the offense to step up.

J. Campbell - 21/34 for 215 yds, 3 TDs, 0 INTs, QB rating: 115.

Clinton Portis - 30 carries, 137 yds.

Skins had 25 points, more 1st downs than Philly, won time of possession, but still lost the game.

This loss goes on the defense. They wilted in the 4th.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 11, 2007 9:31 PM | Report abuse

If this season goes to hell, I'm jumping on the Packers' bandwagon, personally.

Posted by: PDiddy | November 11, 2007 9:31 PM | Report abuse

OH talent get your head out of your daddys pants and take your medicine like like a good little TROLL.AHH HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Posted by: booredskinfanhoo | November 11, 2007 9:31 PM | Report abuse

I read your earlier e/m to my wife and daughter and it broke them up. Then my wifey asked "This was on the Redskins blog?"

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 11, 2007 09:13 PM

Doubtful you've even spoken to a woman wihtout giving her your credit card number first....

Posted by: Soups1 | November 11, 2007 9:32 PM | Report abuse


FU** our team the redskins are terrible in all phases! im jumping ship and hoping Americas team ship picks me up in the water because Romo -Mania is in the air!

Posted by: booredskinfanhoo | November 11, 2007 09:29 PM

That's just beyond pathetic. You've just summed up why no one should take you seriously far better that anyone else could.

See ya, you front running pussy

Adam

Posted by: argh | November 11, 2007 9:32 PM | Report abuse

PDIDDY doesnt surprise anyone you would jump on another LOSER bandwagon!

Posted by: booredskinfanhoo | November 11, 2007 9:33 PM | Report abuse

The defense didn't just wilt in the 4th quarter. They made some pretty egregious mental errors in nearly all of the Eagles' touchdown drives. But this is what mediocre teams do. Note that the Eagles did the same.

Posted by: PDiddy | November 11, 2007 9:33 PM | Report abuse

They gave up 20 points in the 4th quarter alone.

I'd call that a meltdown.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 11, 2007 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Adam i luv eagle cock fan!
You think anybody takes you seriously you idiot now run back to your grandmas room shes ready for some more eagle cock!!

Posted by: booredskinfanhoo | November 11, 2007 9:36 PM | Report abuse

So, at the moment, Giants and Lions are in the Wild Card spots at 6-3, while we're by ourselves at 1 game behind. We hold the tie-breaker against Detroit, and we have a chance to even things up with New York.

Still hope.

Posted by: kost52 | November 11, 2007 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Wheres all those kool-aide drinking morons at Im really interested in the ones who like predicting wins & losses and had this game as a win?? Before that sorryass eagle team put an asswooping on this pretender redskinette team!!

Posted by: booredskinfanhoo | November 11, 2007 9:40 PM | Report abuse

What's this I hear about Taylor injuring his knee?

Go to bed with a 15-7 lead only to wake up to this. Crapola! Cursing and gnashing of teeth.

On the otherhand, Skin's only have to win against Bucs, Bills, Bears, and Vikings and one division game to get a playoff spot.

Who would have thought that Double move would be so valuable to the D? Why is Macklin not dressed when Smoot is half a smoot and a whole smoot isn't all that?

Posted by: bangkokben | November 11, 2007 9:41 PM | Report abuse

kost52
wildcards and tiebreakers?? You luv taking it up the as*!

Posted by: booredskinfanhoo | November 11, 2007 9:41 PM | Report abuse

bangkokben--Taylor went to the locker room with the knee. Jasno's usually on top of those things, but there's been no hard news about how serious it was.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 11, 2007 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Obviously bangkok luvs giving it! anything kost52 & bangkok wanna tell the rest of us?

Posted by: booredskinfanhoo | November 11, 2007 9:44 PM | Report abuse

OK, so on with our discussion of instant gratification...how many bad years did Tom Landry have before...oh forget it, most of you weren't born when Tom Landry was coach.

On with the discussion. One of many reasons, but probably the best reason to explain this loss is the Eagles were playing for their season today. The Eagles played like everything was on the line, the Redskins didn't. Can't coach that.

Posted by: 2greekdc | November 11, 2007 9:45 PM | Report abuse

bangkokben, I want to know what's going on with Macklin as well.

Posted by: kost52 | November 11, 2007 9:46 PM | Report abuse

The next big matchup is going to be Dallas/Green Bay on November 29.

Both are 8-1, and whoever wins that game will likely get home field in the playoffs.

And if Green Bay gets home field, they're in the Super Bowl.

No way anyone is going to beat them at Lambeau in January.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 11, 2007 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Bangkok i guess when Landry got Smoked then it also was because Taylor wasnt there? Everyone knows that Taylor doesnt give up plays!LOSER

Posted by: booredskinfanhoo | November 11, 2007 9:46 PM | Report abuse

I was at the game and am totally disgusted. As much as I was happy to see Portis light it up last Sunday, I predicted his success would ultimately cause Gibbs & Co. to place too much emphasis on the running game. And then we have today's results. The draw play on 3rd and goal from the 7 was just ludicrous. Do you think New England, Indy, or pretty much any other team in the leage calls that play on 3rd and 7? NO. Those teams put other teams away, or at least play like they're trying to.

So today Portis ends up with well over 100 yards, and the Skins come away with a loss. A successful running game does NOT automatically lead to victory, and Gibbs is taking his medicine right now.

Posted by: RambleOn | November 11, 2007 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Jeez. Registration is super smart. Only us core bloggers up here now.

Posted by: joe_gibbs | November 11, 2007 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Jeez. Registration is super smart. Only us core bloggers up here now.

Posted by: joe_gibbs | November 11, 2007 09:48 PM

ITA.

It's what happens when Old Media tries to do New Media. At least none of them are posting as Nate In the PDX.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 11, 2007 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Ramble on,

I'm with you on that. I'm sure Gibbs thought he would get the usual from the D. I think that even with this year's success, thinking the D will bail us out every week is misguided.

Posted by: bangkokben | November 11, 2007 9:51 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure Gibbs thought he would get the usual from the D.

Posted by: bangkokben | November 11, 2007 09:51 PM

And, he was afraid that he'd get the usual from the offense, which he did when it counted. And, when he took over the play-calling.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 11, 2007 9:53 PM | Report abuse

And if Green Bay gets home field, they're in the Super Bowl.

No way anyone is going to beat them at Lambeau in January.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 11, 2007 09:46 PM


Mike Vick did it you idiot

Posted by: pmedvene33 | November 11, 2007 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Just finished watching the game on DVR. I Hate to say it but Joe needs to step aside. This loss is squarely on the coaches. Stupid penalties, poor clock management and rediculous play calling all fall on the coaching staff.

Bring on Cowher.

Posted by: Original_etrod | November 11, 2007 9:55 PM | Report abuse

It's what happens when Old Media tries to do New Media. At least none of them are posting as Nate In the PDX.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 11, 2007 09:51 PM

Until now. Muhuhahahahahaha!

Posted by: NateInThePDX | November 11, 2007 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Dont have to be a football genious to know whats wrong with the redskinettes and so far none of you would ever be confused with a football genious?
Reasons why redskinettes loss
1 QB is way overrated
2 RB is over the hill
3 Defense is WAY overrated
4 D-LINE is more important then Safetys
5 Gregg Williams didnt point #4 out at draft?
6 To many injurys EVERY YR not bad luck!
7 Coaches are the most OVERPAYED & OVERRATED in NFL!
8 Positions in need of Real young talent
QB RB G T WR CB DT DE LB

Posted by: booredskinfanhoo | November 11, 2007 9:57 PM | Report abuse

pmedvene:

I didn't say it had never been done.

Read for content next time.

If you're not too busy playing cyber tough-guy and insulting people on this thread.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 11, 2007 9:57 PM | Report abuse

The crickets are already out and the kool-aide drinkers are trying to lick the bottom of theyre cups and the suicide rate will rise again!

Posted by: booredskinfanhoo | November 11, 2007 10:01 PM | Report abuse

F U C K all of you idiots!

Posted by: NateInThePDX | November 11, 2007 10:01 PM | Report abuse

hehehehahahaahhhahaha ahh hahahahahahahaahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahhahahahahaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahhahahahahahahahahahahah Wild card or BUST

Posted by: booredskinfanhoo | November 11, 2007 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Actual NBC reporter's question to TO in Dallas: "Did you look at this game as a chance to open up some ground between you and the Giants?"

Where's Captain Obvious when we need him? What an idiotic question.

Posted by: PDiddy | November 11, 2007 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Shut the F U C K up PDiddy.

Posted by: NateInThePDX | November 11, 2007 10:07 PM | Report abuse

T.O. was crying because Sam Madison kicked him in the head.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 11, 2007 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Who sharted? This blog stinks.

Posted by: stinky | November 11, 2007 10:09 PM | Report abuse


This just in: "Gibbs to step aside at season's end. Charlie Weis to be named Head Coach"

Posted by: Soups1 | November 11, 2007 10:09 PM | Report abuse

did our D find a bag of "Blue Magic" in the 4th??????????? I'm SICK! This league is whacky. We better bring our A game next Sunday for 4 quarters!!!!!!!!!!!! Still got a pulse.

Posted by: gregskins | November 11, 2007 10:10 PM | Report abuse

I believe Gibbs will coach through his contract, i.e., next season.

Then he'll retire.

Maybe.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 11, 2007 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Trust me folks. I've tried to quit but Vinny won't let me. He's holding me hostage just like he's doing to Mr. Snyder.

Posted by: joe_gibbs | November 11, 2007 10:13 PM | Report abuse

MrRedskins--

My own bet is that Mr. Snyder and Coach Gibbs are talking this week about a graceful exit for the Coach. Why would Snyder want him back for another 16 games of this?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 11, 2007 10:13 PM | Report abuse

wow....

hours later and still upset and picking petty fights with the wife, and now its Monday basically already....

Quick hits:

- Hard not to hang this on Gibbs. Seems like in the 4th he took the reins back. The third down draw was straight pathetic. Go out slinging at least. J-Cam was on fire today, why take it out of his hands? Portis was beast but they are keying on him there....


- Injuries are stacking up. Sean-Tay's abscence late was really felt.

- Double G is playing/scheming just as pansy azz as Gibbs. Every blitz today worked, but there was like 3....Mcnabb is QB that must be hit.

- I have resisted this....but F Betts....even though the D got the ball back...the fumble was still huge b/c they were not going to be denied on that drive...they were slicing the Eagles there and would have smashed it in for a back breaker.

- This was as bad a loss as I have seen in awhile, b/c of J-Cam's development and the importance of this game. JC deserved this win....the dude is just ballin for us and we suck it for him. A win here considering NFC east, divisional game, and how much of the NFC stumbled was killer....

- I have said this 10000 times...but Gibbs needs to move upstairs and hire Grimm....it the perfect mix of continuity and change...

Posted by: chrislarry | November 11, 2007 10:15 PM | Report abuse

I got it all figured out. As long as the Lions lose every game and we win one more then we should be in the playoffs. Just playing it safe up here folks.

Posted by: joe_gibbs | November 11, 2007 10:16 PM | Report abuse

te,

Because 5-4 is better than 5-11.

However, losing two games to division foes that you had your foot on their throats is galling.

Posted by: bangkokben | November 11, 2007 10:17 PM | Report abuse

You can't replace somebody with nobody.

The call of "fire-the-coach" after a loss has grown tiresome to me.

They're 5-4, and still alive. They're playing competitive football (except for the New England game) and JC is developing nicely.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 11, 2007 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Wow, BBM with 5 picks. Everyone gets to have a bad game, I suppose. Seems like he's trying to do it all to compensate for the lack of players around him...

Posted by: PDiddy | November 11, 2007 10:19 PM | Report abuse

You can replace me with nobody. It's been proven when the headsets go out.

Posted by: joe_gibbs | November 11, 2007 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Yep, Peyton Manning has 5 picks. Tony Romo had 5 picks against Buffalo earlier this season.

Of course, if Jason Campbell ever has a game where he throws 5 picks, we'll hear all about what a terrible draft choice he was, how Gibbs has lost it, etc., etc., et al.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 11, 2007 10:22 PM | Report abuse

True that Mister.

Posted by: bangkokben | November 11, 2007 10:24 PM | Report abuse

You can't replace somebody with nobody.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 11, 2007 10:17 PM

I'm thinking there are three or four guys on the staff now who could do better than Gibbs is doing, and there are a lot more outside the team.

If you wouldn't fire the coach, who would you fire? Or do you think it's all coming together and the rest of us are impatient?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 11, 2007 10:25 PM | Report abuse

I don't know if it will happen or not, but I reckon the Danny will be thinking about Grilliams. Do you wait until the season is over before you make a change? Or do you be proactive, and see if Grilliams can turn things around and make a play-off run.

I know it sounds silly to discuss it when we're 5-4, but it's not the record, it's how we've played. Play-calling, time management, fumbles, dropped balls, penalties, it just reeks of a poorly drilled/coached team.

You just can't afford to continue to have blind faith in someone.

Posted by: kost52 | November 11, 2007 10:31 PM | Report abuse

TE,

I don't think it is all coming together, but I do think that every weakness of this football team is taken so out of context week in and week out. The season should always play out before you rush to judgement. How many thought S. Springs would be the most durable corner for the 'skins this year? Yet, the was call to cut him because the team was low-balling him.

My point is simply let the season play out then play 'off-season' in the off season.

I know 15 years of being sorry to mediocre breeds a fan that wants to fix what is obvious right away. Can't always happen.

First two years of Gibbs, the penalties were horrible. Today it was horrible but there has been improvement even in this standpoint. Even the infractions today were mostly caused by guys who have been added to the team this year or 2nd string guys.

Posted by: bangkokben | November 11, 2007 10:33 PM | Report abuse

What makes me mad is our beloved redskins wont be the ones to keep the cowgirls from winning the Div. which we havent done in like 15yrs. but we still can say we won that wildcard game 3yrs ago and put those cowgirl fans in theyre place because that win is better then a DIV title! And we are geting a wild card and we will see those cowgirls in playoffs and show them we are the better team even if they kick our ass this week because they always do in dallas and we will be 5-5 which is 500!! Dont let the kool-aide run out! Tank Johnson got 1 sack in 1st start and some of our guys have 0 the whole year? Whats up with that

Posted by: booredskinfanhoo | November 11, 2007 10:33 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't fire anyone. They're 5-4, Gibbs 2.0 is in the middle of his 4th season on a 5 year contract, and no, they're not the Pats, Colts, Boys or Packers.

But thankfully, they're also not the Dolphins, Rams, Saints, Panthers, Bears, Bengals, Ravens, Falcons.... you get the idea.

None of the coaches that followed Gibbs - Petibon, Turner, Robiskie for 3 games, Marty, Spurrier, were able to get anything sustained going. No consistency.

I think what this team needs is to stick together and not go for the quick-change, because the quick change has certainly never worked here in the past.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 11, 2007 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Why do you have to fire anyone? Do you really think firing someone will suddenly turn the team into the Patriots. If you want to fire someone why don't they fire the quiter fans who want to give up on a team that is 5-4 and still in the playoff race. You know if they had gone ahead and fired Gibbs during the first year of his first tenure when he went 0-5 we wouldn't even have Gibbs as coach. How would that have worked out.
Why don't we focus on the postives, the team still is in the playoff mix. The offense has shown improvement the last two weeks. They scored everytime they were in he red zone. Yes there are negatives but also positives

Posted by: mbearden | November 11, 2007 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I suppose you're right, but it's just not that easy to sit and take it, when it's bonehead mistakes we're making. If we were getting outplayed, I would agree without hesitation. But we're not, we're not getting beaten, we're losing these games.

Posted by: kost52 | November 11, 2007 10:39 PM | Report abuse

ummm...no midseason firing....shouldnt happen, wont happen


and double g? from where i am sicking...his schemes are just as conservative.....

Posted by: chrislarry | November 11, 2007 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Kost,
Norv's last season was similar - not getting beat but losing games - yet we had a playoff chance that was destroyed. I was all for replacing Norv but not during the season. I think Gibbs and crew will get this team in the playoffs and then will give us the same headaches next year.

Posted by: bangkokben | November 11, 2007 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of Norv Turner.... His Chargers have squandered a 23-0 lead.

It's now SD 23- INDY 21, early 4th quarter.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 11, 2007 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I suppose you're right, but it's just not that easy to sit and take it, when it's bonehead mistakes we're making. If we were getting outplayed, I would agree without hesitation. But we're not, we're not getting beaten, we're losing these games.

Posted by: kost52 | November 11, 2007 10:39 PM

This is exactly the reason why I can't understand the defeatist attitude. The only loss they were really truly beaten was NE. All the others they were in the game and had an opportunity to win:
Giants - 2nd half conservative playcalling and poor execution at the goal
Packers - poor execution
Eagles - Defensive failure
However, all of these problems are potentially fixable unlike if they were simply being blown out by clearly better teams

Posted by: mbearden | November 11, 2007 10:52 PM | Report abuse

I suppose it still is one or two losses early to be calling for it.

I just thought that if we were to make a change now, it would give us a decent chance to see what Grilliams can do. He turns the team around, and gets us into the playoffs, then we know he'll make a good Head Coach. The team doesn't improve, or even regresses, then we know we have to look elsewhere.

I get the Norv/Robiskie reference, but what if we had've won those last few games, and got in. I suppose though, there isn't really a culture of mid-season coaching changes turning a team around in football, like there is in other sports.

Posted by: kost52 | November 11, 2007 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Can anybody please tell me why Gibbs constantly says after a loss "We lost together. We're all in this together". What does that even mean? Come on you old coot, can you atleast change it up a bit? My goodness, he should be saying, "We lost together because of my stupid conservo play calling that I do every week in the 4th quarter. I wish one of the assistants would just walk up behind Gibbs and smack him in the head. Maybe then, he'll realize that it doesn't matter that we're all in this together when he's the one screwing up when it counts.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 11, 2007 10:56 PM | Report abuse

ga, that means: we all sucked when we needed to not suck.

Posted by: bangkokben | November 11, 2007 11:02 PM | Report abuse

I'll compare the Skins to a talented boxer. He has all the skills, the power, and ability to be a champ. He displays great D and a great array of combinations for 11 rounds. 12th round comes around his trainer tells him to just cover up and throw a couple of jabs. His trainer is too scared that he'll get knocked out if he continues to be aggressive. And by trying to avoid getting knocked out, guess what? He gets uppercutted and is KO'd. Damn you Gibbs, damn you...

Posted by: ga8085 | November 11, 2007 11:03 PM | Report abuse

mbearden - I don't know if I'd call it a defeatist attitude.

Like you said it is fixable, I've been saying it's fixable too. I'm just questioning whether or not the guys in charge are the ones to fix it.

You know, look at last season, we waited until we were out of the playoff race, before we inserted JC as starting QB. Some people were calling for that change earlier on in the season, because they didn't think Brunell could get us there. Now I'm not saying that putting JC in earlier in the season would've gotten us into the playoffs, that's something we'll never know. But I think that we're in a similar situation at the moment. We'll never know which direction was the right one to take, because we'll only see the one outcome. To me the direction isn't the important thing, the outcome is. If Joe turns it around, we don't lose a game for the rest of the season, I'll be rapt to be wrong, hell I'll get a tattoo of the old bloke on my a$$!

Posted by: kost52 | November 11, 2007 11:08 PM | Report abuse

What do expect him to do in a press conference after a disappointing loss give a detailed report of what happen? It's coach speak. You win as a team and lose as a team. What do you want him to do start throwing players under the bus? Would you want your boss to have public meeting and start blaming everyone? He assumes his share of the responsibility by stating it starts with him.
One play or even series of plays never win or lose a ball game. You can agrue whether the play calling at the goal line was good but there were plenty of other things that could have changed the course of the game (i.e illegal procedure on Cooley when Philly defense was in disarry, dropped interception by Godfrey, etc).

Posted by: mbearden | November 11, 2007 11:08 PM | Report abuse

I think Thomas Boswell got it right when he wrote: "(these Redskins) don't understand how much harder their predecessors took defeat, how much less they tolerated mistakes among themselves -- just exactly like the hyper-competitive, internally critical powerhouse teams that currently reside in New England and Indianapolis."

Gibbs, Grilliams, Jerry Gray, Joe Bugel, et al, can only coach; at some point, the players have to take over and decide they aren't going to commit false starts at home games, or stupid personal foul penalties, or drop passes or drop interceptions or fumble the ball on crucial drives.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 11, 2007 11:10 PM | Report abuse

What's going on, I'm blogging like I'm drunk!

Posted by: kost52 | November 11, 2007 11:11 PM | Report abuse

mbearden
I understand he's not going to throw anybody under the bus but what the heck is the point of interviewing him when he says the same crap all the time? How about we shouldn't of been so conservative? Or how about we need players to make less mistakes? Or how about I need to do a better job with timeouts? And sure some of the players in the 4th messed up, but it doesn't help that the leader of your team (the head coach) is messing up just as badly. You don't see Bellicheat or Dungy making bafoon type of mistakes. Come on, give me a break, this is a pattern with him since 2004 so dont tell me about what the players need to do. This is GIBBS stamp.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 11, 2007 11:15 PM | Report abuse

ga,

The 'skins had 3:16 left to drive and get a field goal. Short pass for -3, then incomplete pass, incomplete pass, sacked fumble.

Get the ball back with 2:18 and no running plays. The run was working, they were in a no huddle. They executed the offense up to that point. S. Taylor can't be replaced for that defense. A crummy loss. One that inspires all sorts of profanity.

Posted by: bangkokben | November 11, 2007 11:17 PM | Report abuse

Mr.Redskin21 - I think you're right, but I still think the coaching has a lot of control over it. Didn't Portis come out a few weeks ago and say that the way the offense has been playing (fumbles, drops etc.), was how they had been practicing? If that's the case, then the coaching needs to come down hard on them, make them completely aware, that those sort of mistakes won't be tolerated. How you practice, is how you play.

Posted by: kost52 | November 11, 2007 11:18 PM | Report abuse

Kost,

Whose to say they didn't?

Posted by: bangkokben | November 11, 2007 11:23 PM | Report abuse

ga, I agree with you bud, as Stevie_in-GP was saying earlier, it doesn't seem like there are very many players on the team who hurt when we lose. I would like to see Joe act like he's hurting at a presser after a loss. Not a 'curl in a ball and cry' hurt, but a 'I'm going to kick down the podium' hurt. You don't have to throw anyone under a bus, but you can make it abundantly clear that the effort wasn't anywhere near good enough, and that you're not happy at all. Show your players how they're meant to feel after a loss.

Posted by: kost52 | November 11, 2007 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Coaching is definitely part of it.

But I don't advise firing the coaches anymore than I would advise cutting Betts because he fumbled or cutting Cooley because he committed a false start penalty on the goal line.

This team has the talent to put together a string of wins, IF.... and this is a big "if"... IF they can eliminate the stupid mistakes/penalties, manage the clock better, and start getting TDs instead of FGs when they're in the Red Zone.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 11, 2007 11:26 PM | Report abuse

bangkokben
The problem is that nothing is changing! 4th quarter collapses every freakin week. If Gibbs has got to slam his dentures to the ground and stomp on them at the end of the 3rd to get the team going, he needs to do that! 3rd and 7 running the ball tells me there not exactly changing that much! And yes the offense got the ball back twice and couldn't do crap but I think they packed it in after the Eagles went up. Demoralizing to say the least.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 11, 2007 11:28 PM | Report abuse

kost52
Thankyou, you know exactly where I'm coming from.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 11, 2007 11:33 PM | Report abuse

Sorry folks...not a Gibbs hater but this one is definitely on him. I said it after the Giants game: the guy is delusional. He will not adapt. Gibbs 2.0 will not evolve.

-If you are going to run a draw on 3rd and 8 in the red zone, go four wide and spread the damn field

-clock management again...please...figure this out. I am sick of seeing you on the sideline after blowing a game with your face crumpled up like you are trying to remember your last solid bowel movement

-Thrash in on that special teams play when he's having that kind of day is just bad coaching

Blame Grilliams too as the defense is starting to look like the great '06 shabingus.

On the bright side, JC is the real deal. He showed a lot today. Excellent game. We have ourselves a bright future in a young quarterback. When was the last time we could say that?

Gibbs has brought stability to the franchise. It will only get better from here. Football happens every year...don't jump off a bridge cuz the old man doesn't have it anymore. The team has been rebuilt with a strong foundation in place.

BUT, it is truly bizarre to watch a team and literally be able to predict EVERY play that they are going to run in the red zone. If your fan base can call all your plays, opposing D coords will jam you every Sunday. Somehow, I couldn't get angry today...because I already knew what was going to happen. I've accepted it. Maybe next year.

Diddy, my sincere condolences. As a dog lover, I feel your pain and can't help but wish unspeakable things upon the scum that did this to you. Remember the way your little dude enhanced your life and try to stay away from the negative thoughts.

HOLY SHTI!

VINNY T chokes!

Norvel's pock mark correcting surgery looks good.

Posted by: jeffhayes | November 11, 2007 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Sorry folks...not a Gibbs hater but this one is definitely on him. I said it after the Giants game: the guy is delusional. He will not adapt. Gibbs 2.0 will not evolve.

-If you are going to run a draw on 3rd and 8 in the red zone, go four wide and spread the damn field

-clock management again...please...figure this out. I am sick of seeing you on the sideline after blowing a game with your face crumpled up like you are trying to remember your last solid bowel movement

-Thrash in on that special teams play when he's having that kind of day is just bad coaching

Blame Grilliams too as the defense is starting to look like the great '06 shabingus.

On the bright side, JC is the real deal. He showed a lot today. Excellent game. We have ourselves a bright future in a young quarterback. When was the last time we could say that?

Gibbs has brought stability to the franchise. It will only get better from here. Football happens every year...don't jump off a bridge cuz the old man doesn't have it anymore. The team has been rebuilt with a strong foundation in place.

BUT, it is truly bizarre to watch a team and literally be able to predict EVERY play that they are going to run in the red zone. If your fan base can call all your plays, opposing D coords will jam you every Sunday. Somehow, I couldn't get angry today...because I already knew what was going to happen. I've accepted it. Maybe next year.

Diddy, my sincere condolences. As a dog lover, I feel your pain and can't help but wish unspeakable things upon the scum that did this to you. Remember the way your little dude enhanced your life and try to stay away from the negative thoughts.

HOLY SHTI!

VINNY T chokes!

Norvel's pock mark correcting surgery looks good.

Posted by: jeffhayes | November 11, 2007 11:34 PM | Report abuse

bangkokben, well they might have, but the silly mistakes keep happening. I understand that the players have a certain level of responsibilty for their performances, and I also understand that everyone has bad days. Look at BBM tonight. But it's on the coaches as well, their job isn't just the game plan. It's also their job to get the players to perform at their peak. Some players don't respond to certain coaching styles as well as they do others, look at Rocky with Olivadatti (sp?) vs Lindsay. Whatever this coaching staff is doing, for whatever reason, the team as a whole, doesn't seem to be responding to it. That's my opinion anyway.

Posted by: kost52 | November 11, 2007 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Sadly, I don't see this team putting away anyone. They ran simply to force that last timeout. I would have liked to see them run on first down when they got the ball back. There was no need to panic and go with the cute pass. Lose yards and then the run is taken away. Game over. Should have used the cute pass on 3rd and 7.

Posted by: bangkokben | November 11, 2007 11:36 PM | Report abuse

See, now how good is this. We have a bunch of people up here at the moment, with different opinions, but we're discussing it like adults. No moronic name calling or insults.

Posted by: kost52 | November 11, 2007 11:38 PM | Report abuse

What's the deal with all these ignorant old people jokes?

Everyone is going to get old, so you might want to temper your comments by keeping that in mind.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 11, 2007 11:38 PM | Report abuse

sorry about the double move

Posted by: jeffhayes | November 11, 2007 11:38 PM | Report abuse

WOW~!! what a game! you KNOW i loved it!

Posted by: dealer | November 11, 2007 11:40 PM | Report abuse

Wow, Chargers tried to pull a Gibbs tonight but held on for the win.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 11, 2007 11:41 PM | Report abuse

The Chargers should send a game ball to Adam Vinateri.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 11, 2007 11:42 PM | Report abuse

Mrskin21, not an old people hater. I actually appreciate the aging process and the wisdom that comes along with it.

But, you've got to know when to fold 'em. Gibbs should be with his family. Not on the sidelines. The game has passed him by.

It's a young man's game. He looks confused. He is lost. He is not a leader anymore. It is fair to criticize him and poke fun at his age.

Posted by: jeffhayes | November 11, 2007 11:45 PM | Report abuse

dealer - Loved your posts earlier. They had the anger that was in me, which I was too saddened to let out.

Posted by: kost52 | November 11, 2007 11:47 PM | Report abuse

It's fair to criticize him.

It's immature to make cracks abut his bowel movements, dentures, Depends, et al.

This team is 5-4 and has been in every game except New England.

There are about 20 teams in the NFL right now that can't say that.

Which one do you coach?

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 11, 2007 11:47 PM | Report abuse

I'm sorry but some of the old jokes about Gibbs are hilarious! If he was a young coach, people would be making fun of him about being wet behind the ears, needing diapers, etc. The old man jokes about Gibbs are gold!

Posted by: ga8085 | November 11, 2007 11:49 PM | Report abuse

Well personally when I coach the Skins on Madden I usually win 12-13 games a year. I run quite an aggressive offense, and go for the jugular every chance I get. But that's just me...

Posted by: ga8085 | November 11, 2007 11:51 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, they're "gold" to anyone with a rudimentary sense of humor.

I'm guessing you enjoy watching old Tom & Jerry cartoons as well.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 11, 2007 11:51 PM | Report abuse

mr redskin,

you are the most intelligent (albeit positive) blogger to chime in in the past few hours. i'm with you.

they've been in every game except one, and keep in mind that this very team won 5 (FIVE) games last year.

at this time last year, the season was over.

you've got a guy at QB out there that's very young. and he has shown flashes of really, really good play.

this team is better than years past, but they are nowhere near great.

the glory years are long past, and in times like this, you have to put the super bowl memories aside and be realistic. this organization hasn't been good or even respectable in 15 years, and it's not an instant thing.

a young QB with some good talent and a defense that has young guys like LL and rocky- they will get there.

all you haters remember the days of terry robiskie and tony banks and deion "career cowboy" sanders and tell me where you'd rather be.

be realistic and don't hate on joe gibbs.

Posted by: dwdjmu | November 11, 2007 11:52 PM | Report abuse

Oh, give it a second, kost . . . wait for it . . .

jeffhayes, the way I see it comes from a slightly different angle, and age -- while perhaps a factor for Gibbs -- is not a necessary condition.

I think you ought to have a coach whose focus is entirely on this job. Coach Gibbs has been so successful, in so many areas, and has so many (apparently) good things in his life -- not to mention a couple well-publicized rough things at the moment -- that no matter how much he may feel he is giving "110%", I simply think someone else could do a better job. And while I agree that there is a freak chance this team could make a good run -- for anything is possible -- what would it be for? To break John From Herndon's heart on the last day against Dallas? To lose in the first round up at Lambeau? Better to accept the situation as it is and go now. Heck, I don't think Williams is doing a great job, but what the hey -- make him Head, Blatch D co-ordinator, and let weird Al do what he can, unleashed.

It'll make the season more interesting, folks. My 8 cents . . .

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | November 11, 2007 11:52 PM | Report abuse

skindawg21, I am a fan...I buy the crappy gear and devote my Sundays to this team. I do not pretend to possess any special football knowledge beyond what I know.

Being a fan, I buy the right to make diaper jokes, poop jokes, denture jokes, I've fallen and I can't get up jokes, bed wetting jokes...pretty much anything along those lines. Please lighten up.

Posted by: jeffhayes | November 11, 2007 11:55 PM | Report abuse

thanks kost! tom boswell sorta summed it up pretty good too here without the f words and the graphic details of course. the rated G version:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/11/AR2007111101799.html?sid=ST2007111101475


Posted by: dealer | November 11, 2007 11:59 PM | Report abuse

And while Mr. Banks of SI may not be your favorite writer, it's nice to know our angst is not going unrecognized:

From Banks' Snap Judgments column.
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• Washington must be a maddening NFL team to be devoted to. The Redskins' play-calling has been mind-boggling at times all season, but they took things to a whole new frustration level with about five minutes remaining in their loss to Philly. Washington had a two-point lead with a first down at the Eagles 7 with 6:39 remaining. A touchdown probably puts the nail in the coffin for Philadelphia, but the Redskins end up running five plays on the rest of the drive, and all five were handoffs to Clinton Portis.

Bottom line? The Redskins made it only to the Eagles 3, and wound up settling for a 21-yard Todd Suisham field goal to make it Washington 25-20, with 4:15 remaining. Less than two minutes later, the Eagles led 33-25 thanks to a pair of Brian Westbrook touchdowns. It was a season-saving (at least for now) win for Philly (4-5), and a killer loss for the Redskins (5-4), who now must hit the road for tough game at Dallas and Tampa Bay the next two weeks.

_____________

dwdjmu, it's not an instant thing at all. This is year four of the second go-around, and it's the inconsistency that is the only consistency. I'd love it if all the mistakes were players jumping offsides, but it's the lack of leadership -- systematic, demonstrable, and frequently repeated -- that has me thinking the best thing for the team would be for Gibbs to go.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | November 11, 2007 11:59 PM | Report abuse

You bought the right to bathroom humor, and you want to ride it for all it's worth?

Have at it.

I admire the way you state your own limitations.

You have my condolences.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 12, 2007 12:00 AM | Report abuse

Stevie
Agreed, even though if anything does happen it surely won't be until next year. Stick with the same coaches, let Campbell continue to grow under the same offense, and get agrression out there. I don't know how Williams will do, but Gibbs routine grows tiresome.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 12, 2007 12:00 AM | Report abuse

Mr Redskin 21
Lighten up man, the only one with the rudimentary sense of humor is whoever is calling the plays for the Skins in the red zone. Not that ain't funny, not one bit...

Posted by: ga8085 | November 12, 2007 12:04 AM | Report abuse

Mr Redskin 21
Lighten up man, the only one with the rudimentary sense of humor is whoever is calling the plays for the Skins in the red zone. Not that ain't funny, not one bit...

Posted by: ga8085 | November 12, 2007 12:04 AM | Report abuse

mr skin, it was a light hearted comment directed at a man who, while my hero, has shown incredible ineptitude over the last few months. I admire the way you pass judgement. Lighten up.

Posted by: jeffhayes | November 12, 2007 12:05 AM | Report abuse

In my opinion, this has been the best 4 (almost 4) seasons since Gibbs left after the 1992 season.

So tell me, what were the Redskins best years between 1992 and 2004?

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 12, 2007 12:05 AM | Report abuse

ga, no, obviously that is the way it is gonna work out -- and it is probably the best thing for Jason Campbell. The knee-jerk fan in me just wants an immediate reaction from the club and maybe a game where I don't bite my nails to the quick only to be disapppointed in the end. At least at 52-7 I wasn't close to a heart attack for over an hour . . .

These guys are professionals doing their job, the thing they are supposedly best at. I will give them the benefit of the doubt and say they must be more disappointed than I. Still think Coach Joe is done, though.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | November 12, 2007 12:07 AM | Report abuse

"I admire the way you pass judgment."

I'm not the one judging other people's bowel movements, or calling for Gibbs head after every loss.

And the people who should "lighten up" are the defeatist "fans" (read: impatient TV babies) who think changing the HC is a panacea for what ails this team right now.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 12, 2007 12:08 AM | Report abuse

Stevie,
I would have thought actually having a shot at the playoffs would make the season more interesting but your right lets change the coaching staff at mid season. Some many successful teams have changed in mid season (sorry can't think of any examples). However, instead of picking a coach who actually has experience maybe Dan can have a Madden tournament and pick the winner to coach.
I previous wrote what I thought was a very insightful (though long) comment. However, it disappeared into vapor. To summarize, I am a half full type of guy and I think the coaches know what is wrong and are trying to adjust. I have seen the following corrections in the last two games:
Running game - vast improvement in yardage and yards per play
Passing game - 3 TDs to WRs
Red zone - Jets (5 FGs 1 TD) Philly (3 TDs 2 FGs)

They need to focus on the defense now. There is not excuse for giving up 20 points in the 4th quarter. Each time the offense would pull ahead the defense let the eagles back into the game.

Posted by: mbearden | November 12, 2007 12:08 AM | Report abuse

MrRedskin21, you shoulda been up here earlier. You would have been crucified in the basest manner possible.

Which I guess would be . . . crucifixion . . .

Keep up the hope, my friend. I am beginning to think it's all we've got.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | November 12, 2007 12:10 AM | Report abuse

Joe Gibbs: "I think we had it figured right; we knew that they were going to play extremely hard. So for us, we felt like we had to play hard...."

WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT. STOP THE PRESSES.

Never would I have thought that an opposing NFL team would've come out to "play extremely hard." Wow, I just never would've ever thought that. Learn something new everyday. I would've sworn up and down that the eagles wouldn't have come out and played at all.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | November 12, 2007 12:12 AM | Report abuse

Crucified for what?

Supporting a 5-4 team in a conference where almost every other team is 4-5 or worse?

Guilty.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 12, 2007 12:12 AM | Report abuse

Stevie
Yeah, these games are slowly wearing me down emotionally. It's one thing if it's a shootout, going back and forth. And lets say Campbell has the ball at the end of the game and throws an INT in the endzone. At least they tried to win. It's another thing when a fan can see disaster approaching from the distance strictly because of Gibbs baffling calls bearing on insanely conservative. Week after week after week...

Posted by: ga8085 | November 12, 2007 12:12 AM | Report abuse

I guess that goes for you too, mbeardon. I'm not your enemy brother, but I happen to see it a little differently: it's not a "shot at the playoffs" that keeps things interesting for me -- it is the team's play (and that includes coaches and decisions, etc.) and Super Bowls. Just part of being a Skins fan, as I see it.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | November 12, 2007 12:14 AM | Report abuse

Also Gibbs said they called that timeout before the field goal to make sure everything was in order. Couldn't they have let the playclock run out, take the 5 yards, kick the field goal, and keep the timeout. Does Gibbs really have as little faith in Suisham as the fans do so that he wanted to preserve those precious yards? Seriously?!

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | November 12, 2007 12:16 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: i155133 | November 12, 2007 12:17 AM | Report abuse

It's wonderful that they're improving in so many areas, the problem is they haven't improved in one specific area. Finishing a team off when you have them in your grasp. I have stated this too many times already, but 3rd and 7 inside the 10 and you run the freaking ball? People wouldn't criticize Gibbs so much if he simply coached to win instead of coaching not to lose. You don't see the Cowboys or the Pats doing this crap. And you know why? The coaches have confidence in their players and themselves.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 12, 2007 12:18 AM | Report abuse

MR21 -- just refering to some of the jerks who were up here earlier. Trust me, it's not worth going back and reading the thread.

But yes, crucified for that and I wouldn't have been the one, I promise.

And if I may infer, calling for Gibbs' head does not equal not supporting the team. That's like saying if you criticize the President you must not love this country and want to see the best of it . . . oh wait a minute . . . is it 2003?

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | November 12, 2007 12:19 AM | Report abuse

Also, why not try for a hail mary at the end of the 1st half. seriously? they were at what, like their own 40 yard line? throw it up, it's called a hail mary for a reason. u could even get a pass interfence call. like c'mon seriously don't try to pull the "they could intercept it and run it back" excuse because those odds so freaking low. than again, this is gibbs 2.0 redskins so those odds would probably be much much higher.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | November 12, 2007 12:19 AM | Report abuse

Ask the Colts how much a five yd penalty can impact a field goal.

Posted by: mbearden | November 12, 2007 12:20 AM | Report abuse

Well, I guess some things just become habit, and blaming Gibbs for every loss is one of them.

He's at fault for some things, but not today's loss.

The offense had great stats, controlled the time of posession and scored 25 points at home.

The culprit: A defense that gave up 20 points in the 4th quarter.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 12, 2007 12:20 AM | Report abuse

Dallas is not 4-5; NYG are not 4-5; Seattle is not 4-5; GB is not 4-5; TB is not 4-5; Detroit is not 4-5. Seems your math is off. 9 teams with worse records than the Skins and 6 teams with better records. But how many of those teams with worse records have lost a record number of games in the 4th quarter when leading...???

Posted by: i155133 | November 12, 2007 12:22 AM | Report abuse

MR21 -- just refering to some of the jerks who were up here earlier. Trust me, it's not worth going back and reading the thread.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | November 12, 2007 12:19 AM
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Ah, c'mon there's some real good stuff up there. Gold, Jerry, Gold!!!

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | November 12, 2007 12:22 AM | Report abuse

Was there a 5 yard penalty before Vinitieri's (sp?) kick or did he just shank it? 23 or 28 yarder, I think the lost TO proved to be the difference maker for the Skins . . . But I'll grant, no way to know.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | November 12, 2007 12:23 AM | Report abuse

My math is off, eh?

9 teams in the conference are 4-5 or worse, with Seattle being the 10th at 4-4, and potentially another 4-5 (they haven't played yet).

Last time I checked, 9 out of of 16 is "most of the teams."

Thanks for your input, Einstein. :)

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 12, 2007 12:26 AM | Report abuse

Poopy
I totally forgot about that no hail mary call! What was that about? You almost scored on that play earlier this season and now it's too much of a risk? Not as baffling as the other calls, but still very questionable. This is Gibbs 4th year, Skins fans expect better. 5-4 isn't cutting it right now, not with this talent. Getting into the playoffs means nothing if you get booted out in the first round. All that means is a lower draft pick. And just because the Skins have been crap in the past that is no reason to settle for a mediocrity.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 12, 2007 12:27 AM | Report abuse

MR21, you're writing as if we're calling for the O coordinator's head. As if this is a team divided into 2. Coach Gibbs is the Head Coach (and Team Pres, I guess, to boot). Yes, plenty of fault -- more fault -- goes to a banged-up D, but it is Gibbs' D, not Williams', ultimately. The Coach knows that. Leadership 101: shti rolls up hill.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | November 12, 2007 12:28 AM | Report abuse

GA,
And I suppose if they tried a pass and the ball was deflected and intercepted or if Campbell was hit and fumbled everyone would applaude the attempted pass. How much playcall criticism would there be if the draw had scored. As I stated earlier one play or series does not decide a game. I certainly would have liked to see them score and thought they should have tried a pass but the bottom line is they had a 5 pt lead with less then 4 minutes left and the defense could not hold. At this point I am less concerned about the offense and more concerned about the defense. It seems like whenever the Redskins are in position to pull away from an opponent the defense lets them march down the field and score. Bend and break doesn't work for them right know and they need to make some adjustments.

Posted by: mbearden | November 12, 2007 12:30 AM | Report abuse

yeah dude i was sitting there at the bar and was like "ok time for a nice hail mary, those are always exciting." than i look up and see campbell taking a knee and everyone running into the lockeroom and just shake my head in disbelief.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | November 12, 2007 12:30 AM | Report abuse

It's Gibbs' Special Teams too, but pretending he is hands-on with Special Teams is disingenuous.

Look, I'm not going to argue with you; if it makes some people feel better to post here every week calling for Joe Gibbs to be replaced (with whomever), that's fine and therapeutic for those people, I guess.

But Daniel Snyder is not going to fire Joe Gibbs. Not tomorrow, not next week, not after the season.

When Gibbs leaves, it will be via resignation.

Personally, I don't think he'll leave until his contract is up, after the 2008 season.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 12, 2007 12:32 AM | Report abuse

Mrs skin, you have some serious confrontation issues. I have tried to politely address your sensitivity toward bowel movement jokes, yet you choose to remain argumentative.

Is there a larger issue at play here?

Now you are making broad generalizations about folks that post here. 'TV babies'?

Part of what makes the blog fun is the different opinions that make it up. Fans have a right to be frustrated and vent.

I disagree with your opinion that the loss is not on Gibbs. The play selection on the series in the red zone was abysmal. There is a pattern at play from week to week: poor clock management and playcalling.

You say 'they were in every game'. They were in every game because they failed to put away teams when they should have. Good teams close games.

Now, if you check my post above I think you'll find a silver lining. I believe in the direction of the franchise, just not in the leadership and playcalling abilities of Joe Gibbs.

Posted by: jeffhayes | November 12, 2007 12:33 AM | Report abuse

Was there a 5 yard penalty before Vinitieri's (sp?) kick or did he just shank it? 23 or 28 yarder, I think the lost TO proved to be the difference maker for the Skins . . . But I'll grant, no way to know.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | November 12, 2007 12:23 AM

Yes, they had 4th and inches and the Colts tried the same play the Redskins did earlier when they did a quick shift to try and get the Chargers to jump offsides. The refs called a penalty (simulating a snap) and put the Colts back 5 yds. The kick was just wide right and might have made it if it had been five yds closer (he still should not have missed).

How did one less TO make the difference?

Posted by: mbearden | November 12, 2007 12:35 AM | Report abuse

Since we're bringing back all these old receivers, how about we bring in Henry Ellard again. He had some great seasons with the Skins, and he always fights his guts out. Apparently, any receiver can out perform Moss these days. If the Skins would have scored on the last red zone possession we wouldn't have to worry about the sagging D. Point is, the D wasn't playing great all game, yet you put it in their hands to seal the victory with a measley 5 point lead? Common sense is as elusive to Gibbs as Westbrook was to the D.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 12, 2007 12:37 AM | Report abuse

You say 'they were in every game'. They were in every game because they failed to put away teams when they should have. Good teams close games.

Now, if you check my post above I think you'll find a silver lining. I believe in the direction of the franchise, just not in the leadership and playcalling abilities of Joe Gibbs.

Posted by: jeffhayes | November 12, 2007 12:33 AM

Also, if people are gonna play that "even though we lost we've been those games" card, than remember that that street goes both ways. They could've very very easily lost games to the dolphins, jets, and cardinals.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | November 12, 2007 12:37 AM | Report abuse

I agree with you -- he's not going anywhere. But it would be best for the team if he did. I haven't said that at any point until now. I ain't crying wolf, and I'm not the only one. To some degrees, two Post columnists and one for SI are all indicting Coach Gibbs. It is, as I wrote above, systematic at this point, Year Four.

I had no problem with the draw or the kneel-down, by the way: it's the running on first and second in the red zone, the inability to manage the clock/game as a whole, the clear lack of in-game control, etc. It just ain't getting better, even as the O and D each yo-yo between great and terrible from week to week. Point is, the team ain't getting it done.

OK, enough, I know we won't agree.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | November 12, 2007 12:39 AM | Report abuse

Sorry genius - back to school for you. Sharpen your pencil. not constitute most. 9 of 16 is 56% which is not most - barely more than half.

Posted by: i155133 | November 12, 2007 12:40 AM | Report abuse

And make sure to reach for the napkin when mopping up the KoolAid....

Posted by: i155133 | November 12, 2007 12:41 AM | Report abuse

jeffhayes:

You can take your passive/aggressive posts and try them on someone who might have a use for them.

My comments concerned not your criticism of Gibbs as a coach but your immature asides regarding his age.

I liked you better when you were standing by your original posts, instead of deflecting from them like an injured weasel.

Perhaps you'll learn yet.

:)

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 12, 2007 12:42 AM | Report abuse

by the way: it's the running on first and second in the red zone, the inability to manage the clock/game as a whole, the clear lack of in-game control, etc. It just ain't getting better, even as the O and D each yo-yo between great and terrible from week to week. Point is, the team ain't getting it done.

OK, enough, I know we won't agree.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | November 12, 2007 12:39 AM

And whats sad is those mistakes have been going on for ALL FOUR YEARS. Whose shoulders does that lay on?

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | November 12, 2007 12:42 AM | Report abuse

And if Seattle loses tomorrow night and it's 10 of 16, you still won't think that is "most."

I admire your ability to stick by your guns, however misguided you are.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 12, 2007 12:44 AM | Report abuse

Bottom line is the Skins are on the outside looking in as of today. And with games against the Giants and Cowboys twice not to mention the Bucs, how can anybody be confident that they'll reach the playoffs? And I doubt the Bills and Vikes will be pushovers for the Skins judging from their struggles against subpar teams.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 12, 2007 12:44 AM | Report abuse

wow -- now the definition of what constitutes most are coming into play.

Just because it's late, I will say that I always understood anything over 50% to equal "most."

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | November 12, 2007 12:45 AM | Report abuse

stevie, I posted all of those things re clock management/Gibbs, penalties, turnovers,etc., earlier, so we do agree on that.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 12, 2007 12:45 AM | Report abuse

I liked the Boswell article. One thing I did take notice of, is that Samuels said Gibbs would be doing some yelling. That's good to hear.

Posted by: kost52 | November 12, 2007 12:46 AM | Report abuse

He needs to start by yelling at the man in the mirror. Yeah, I took it there, Michael Jackson style.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 12, 2007 12:48 AM | Report abuse

Mrs Skin, if you retrace the thread I think you'll find that you are the one consistently resorting to name calling all the while trying to pass it off like you are taking the high road.

It hurts when someone calls you on your bullshti.

I am sorry that you have a dark history with loose stool. I won't go there from now on.

Posted by: jeffhayes | November 12, 2007 12:49 AM | Report abuse

And I guess Don Banks has worked out the exact reason we missed an XP today.

Apparently it's because TODD Suisham was our kicker today!

Posted by: kost52 | November 12, 2007 12:49 AM | Report abuse

"Most" is defined as "much more than half." 56% does not constitute "much more than half."

Posted by: i155133 | November 12, 2007 12:51 AM | Report abuse

ga - LMGO!!

I can just see Joe giving it a bit of moonwalk action!

Shamone!

Posted by: kost52 | November 12, 2007 12:51 AM | Report abuse

I watched Gibbs say these same things after losses in the 1980's (yes, believe it or not, the Redskins actually lost games back then), and he hasn't changed at all as far as dealing with the media.

He probably sounds more repetitive now because we live in a culture of 24/7 sports cable channels, sports radio, Internet, blogs, yada, yada, yada.

I never saw Gibbs yell at anyone publicly back in the 80's, but I heard stories that he definitely lit into players privately back then, and he probably does the same thing today.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 12, 2007 12:53 AM | Report abuse

MR21, roger.

ga, LMGO. Nice.

kost, I'm sure those of us demanding more public passion and fire from Gibbs (e.g. me) are just not imaginative enough in our frustration. You know he shows real fire in private, in front of his team. But I as a fan want to see it. I as a rational human being know that it ain't gonna happen, however.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | November 12, 2007 12:53 AM | Report abuse

jeffhayes:

If nothing else, your desire for my attention is only feeding my overinflated ego.

On a lighter note, it's good to know that I'm now living rent-free inside your head.

:)

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 12, 2007 12:54 AM | Report abuse

Boswell has been around with the long-term fans like us who rumbled around RFK before and during the glory years. He has a great knack for getting to the point. He and his peers such as Les Carpenter are writing the same themes that put a harsh glare on the troubling state of the franchise - players and coaches. Gibbs was the right man at the right time in the right place in his first run as coach, supported with the right GM, right owner and the right blend of players. None of that is present now. Hard to admit and painful to watch. And Synder has absolutely no goodwill built in the fanbase with his antics.

Posted by: i155133 | November 12, 2007 12:56 AM | Report abuse

LOL Alright, you crazy kids take care, time for my Joe Gibbs halftime nap. Hopefully next week at this time we'll be singing a different tune. Goodnight all!

Posted by: ga8085 | November 12, 2007 12:57 AM | Report abuse

Mister,

It's more repetitive because we're losing more frequently.

Posted by: bangkokben | November 12, 2007 12:59 AM | Report abuse

spot on, i155. Bingo.

and because it's late and I'm a little chippy, what is your reference for "most" being defined as "much more than half?"

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | November 12, 2007 12:59 AM | Report abuse

This one is on the coaches. I totally agree with B Mitch and many others on the blog here.

I wish someone would add up all the plays we have had all season inside the 10. Would LOVE to see what the plays and the outcomes were. I suspect that you'd find that we have had WAY more plays than touchdowns. A TON of stopped for no gain or a loss. A few rushing touchdowns (doesn't CP have 5 or is it 6).

Heck, tonight they had 6 or 7 plays from inside the 7 yard line IN A ROW. Couldn't get in. I am sure Gibbs said "we've been running it all day so we wanted to run it some more on the goalline. Defenses on the goal line are very different from defenses at the 50. " Jumbo package, 8-10 defenders in the box and the RB has no where to go. How bout play action or a bootleg on 1st down or 2nd down. If we hadn't been offside with #47 we'd have had another TD. Total botch, but it would have worked because they were expecting run.

It was so depressing knowing, JUST KNOWING, with 4 1/2 min left when we didn't score that we were going to lose. Need a killer instinct on the sideline and on the field.

Posted by: carocanesfan | November 12, 2007 1:00 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, I just would love a

- 'the Bears were who were who we thought they were!'

- 'PLAYOFFS!!??'

- 'You play, to win, the game!'

type moment.

Posted by: kost52 | November 12, 2007 1:00 AM | Report abuse

Rogets Thesaurus II

Posted by: i155133 | November 12, 2007 1:00 AM | Report abuse

And I'd have to say that #21 was SORELY missed in the 4th quarter. Hope he's back soon or we're in for a long couple of weeks....

Posted by: carocanesfan | November 12, 2007 1:02 AM | Report abuse

you can stay in there mrs skin, please just don't shti the bed

Posted by: jeffhayes | November 12, 2007 1:02 AM | Report abuse

Hard to see Taylor back for next week and if that's the case, hard to see the defense keeping us in this one.

Posted by: bangkokben | November 12, 2007 1:05 AM | Report abuse

not having taylor killed us. I like to think he would've stopped westbrook on that screen.

Major odds stacked against us, but a win in Dallas would at least make the questions disappear...for a week. I'd gladly take the collapses vs GB, jints and iggles for a win in big D.

Posted by: jeffhayes | November 12, 2007 1:05 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, I'm just waiting for one of the guys from PostGameHeroes to pop in and say they have a friend who works at a Hospital, who just saw Sean Taylor come in for an MRI on his knee.

This time, we'll believe them!


From the sounds of it though, it might not be too bad. Joe seemed to be more worried about Thrash's ankle.

Posted by: kost52 | November 12, 2007 1:06 AM | Report abuse

Yeaaah, might not want to use a thesaurus to look up the definition of words. It'll only get you one-word approximations.

Now I know it's too late and I need to hang it up. Who cares about the definition of "most," right?

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | November 12, 2007 1:06 AM | Report abuse

So, Roget's Thesaurus defines "most" as "much more than half?"

Funny, because Webster's Dictionary defines it as "greatest in number."

9 out of 16 = 9 >7.

Must just be my fuzzy math.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 12, 2007 1:06 AM | Report abuse

I am sick JUST SICK of being ahead in the 4th quarter only to lose the game. A lot of it really is on the coaches. Seriously. Some of it is on the players cause they have to get it done but it seems that G2.0 is very content to play for a last second win. Or he's afraid to let his players actually win the game; instead he seems to want to do what he can to try and prevent them from losing it. TRUST JC.

While we are 5-4, we could just as easily be 1-8 or 2-7. VERY EASILY. Seriously. It's a good thing we're not (and in years past we probably would be) . I guess you could make an argument for us being 8-1 or 7-2. It just doesn't seem like it.....

Posted by: carocanesfan | November 12, 2007 1:07 AM | Report abuse

Why do you think so many teams are 4-5 and 5-4?

P-A-R-I-T-Y.

It's the late Pete Rozelle's wet dream come true.

Instead of cursing it, we should be blessing it. It's keeping our playoff hopes alive.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 12, 2007 1:10 AM | Report abuse

This is so disheartening.

Dominating a team --- 2nd half/4th qtr collapse... How many times we seen that this year? Gints, Packers, Cards, Jets, Iggles, even the Fins.

One good game, top to bottom -- The Lions. And what was different? We actually pulled out the stops on the playbook. Weird formations, direct snaps, etc. Not predictable. Not that running with Portis these past two weeks hasn't been productive. It has, clearly. But we shouldn't have won last week and didn't this week. Just when we get inside the 10, it's up the middle, up the middle, up the middle, FG. HELLO! Hasn't worked ALL YEAR!

Posted by: carocanesfan | November 12, 2007 1:14 AM | Report abuse

Did you guys see the graphic they put up about JC's career numbers in the Red zone? QB rating of like 110, 9 TD's, either 1 or 0 interceptions. Why doesn't Gibbs trust him????

Yeah, I know, maybe he's so good here because 90% of the plays are runs and the defenses practically collapse in a state of shock when we actually pass it in the redzone.

Posted by: carocanesfan | November 12, 2007 1:17 AM | Report abuse

caro -- some guys earlier made the point that it seems as if it is when Moss is out that Saunders opens up the attack, as against the Lions and during portions of this game. Kinda weird. Hence the nickname, I guess . . .

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | November 12, 2007 1:18 AM | Report abuse

Kinda a strange one in Les Carpenter's piece:

"I feel bad for coach," Samuels said after Gibbs left. "We've got to find a way to win and learn to put people away. I respect Coach Gibbs. He's been the best coach I've ever had -- for who he is, his Christian leadership and the person he is. For us to lose these kinds of games is just not right."

What exactly is Christian leadership and does Randle-El not get any?

More seriously, isn't it leadership that seems to be missing most here? Most of us seem to agree on that. Sorta.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | November 12, 2007 1:24 AM | Report abuse

Plays on the drive that led to the last field goal:

1-10-PHI 24 (8:03) 26-C.Portis right end to PHI 15 for 9 yards (27-Q.Mikell).

2-1-PHI 15 (7:20) 26-C.Portis left tackle to PHI 7 for 8 yards (51-T.Spikes, 26-L.Sheppard). WAS-45-M.Sellers was injured during the play.

1-7-PHI 7 (6:39) 26-C.Portis left end to PHI 6 for 1 yard (98-M.Patterson).

2-6-PHI 6 (5:55) 26-C.Portis right tackle to PHI 5 for 1 yard (58-T.Cole; 97-B.Bunkley).

3-5-PHI 5 (5:12) 17-J.Campbell pass short middle to 87-T.Yoder to PHI 1 for 4 yards (77-L.Ramsey, 30-J.Reed). PENALTY on PHI, Defensive Holding, 2 yards, enforced at PHI 5 - No Play.

1-3-PHI 3 (4:43) 26-C.Portis left tackle to PHI 1 for 2 yards (51-T.Spikes, 90-D.Howard).
Timeout #1 by PHI at 04:31.

2-1-PHI 1 (4:31) 26-C.Portis right guard to PHI 2 for -1 yards (90-D.Howard, 93-J.Kearse).
Timeout #2 by PHI at 04:27.

3-2-PHI 2 (4:27) (Shotgun) PENALTY on WAS-47-C.Cooley, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at PHI 2 - No Play.

3-7-PHI 7 (4:27) 26-C.Portis right tackle to PHI 3 for 4 yards (22-J.Hanson, 51-T.Spikes).
Timeout #3 by PHI at 04:20.

4-3-PHI 3 (4:20) 6-S.Suisham 21 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-67-E.Albright, Holder-4-D.Frost.
PHI 20 WAS 25 Plays: 8 Possession: 3:48

Posted by: mbearden | November 12, 2007 1:25 AM | Report abuse

Probably important not to be so predictable as to run on 1st and 2nd and then pass on 3rd exclusively.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | November 12, 2007 1:29 AM | Report abuse

Gee the run game certainly dried up the second Sellars went out, didn't it!

Posted by: kost52 | November 12, 2007 1:32 AM | Report abuse

You watching the game now, kost?

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | November 12, 2007 1:40 AM | Report abuse

I know someone else mentioned it earlier, but boy oh boy, Betts isn't doing a lot to help his cause is he. He had 1 carry today, the fumble which you could say cost us the game. Now I know, we got the ball back the very next play, but I reckon Ladell putting that ball on the ground, played a big part in the conservative play calling which followed.

Posted by: kost52 | November 12, 2007 1:43 AM | Report abuse

kost, keep up the good work. I'm off.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | November 12, 2007 1:44 AM | Report abuse

Kinda a strange one in Les Carpenter's piece:

"I feel bad for coach," Samuels said after Gibbs left. "We've got to find a way to win and learn to put people away. I respect Coach Gibbs. He's been the best coach I've ever had -- for who he is, his Christian leadership and the person he is. For us to lose these kinds of games is just not right."

What exactly is Christian leadership and does Randle-El not get any?

More seriously, isn't it leadership that seems to be missing most here? Most of us seem to agree on that. Sorta.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | November 12, 2007 01:24 AM
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This too struck me as a strange comment. I guess, luckily for Samuels, Coach Joe isn't Jewish, Muslim, or Atheist or anything else.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | November 12, 2007 1:50 AM | Report abuse

I think Sameuls comments came out the wrong way or taken out of context. If you reread the comments it sounds as if he is talking about Gibbs as a person, not a coach and they both share the same faith they believe in, which he admires...

Wrong place at the wrong time, probably.....

Posted by: RightWay | November 12, 2007 6:54 AM | Report abuse

The story of our season can be summed up in just two images. The first is our offensive linemen getting knocked backwards at the 3 yard line. The second is our defense dropping passes that hit them in the hands. In the end this is not a team of winners, just talkers.

Posted by: driley | November 12, 2007 7:05 AM | Report abuse

F the WashingtonPost. CP runs for over 100 yards against the 7th ranked D and all we get is the running game comes to a halt. JC played a hell of a game and throw 3 touchdowns and no int's and all we get from Wise is all that will be remembered is his fumble!

Posted by: jm220 | November 12, 2007 8:04 AM | Report abuse

Never has he looked all of his 66 years of age more than he did yesterday afternoon. Once again, his team had betrayed him

If you asked me his playing not to lose betrayed the team. After a night of thinking about this team and how we lost 3 out of the 4 games. I am with those that want Gibbs to step down.

Posted by: jm220 | November 12, 2007 8:21 AM | Report abuse

I haven't looked at ESPN or anything since the end of the game, what a dissapointment. This was the game that could have seperated us from a good amount of the league.

There were many things, the Defense, the penalties, Lloyd never having won a contested ball since he's been a Redskin.

The one thing I'm left with however is, the coaching staff has let this team down again. I'm not going to start calling out names but it's clear that this coaching staff loses more games for these players than it wins.

Posted by: SeanTizzy2DaHizzy | November 12, 2007 8:42 AM | Report abuse

jm220 as usual you use misleading stats to make your case and the eagles D ranked 7th by yds sucks. When you have a 5th WR thrash having a break out game with no other threat to speak of then its fair to say the defense your playing sucks.As for CP aka choo choo he dressed up as an NFL RB and got the rock 30 times and couldnt cross the endzone!JC didnt play a hell of a game because when it counted he fumbled and lost the game which hes done more of.Your opinions are kool-aide driven and your always wrong.Do us redskin fans a favor and get off computer and go back to your Madden game where redskins win SB every year!!

Posted by: booredskinfanhoo | November 12, 2007 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Now that we "Gibbs must go" bloggers have finally taken over this blog, we really need to turn up the heat. "I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part and we're just the guys to do it." (to quote from Animal House)

No more listening to rubes like no-talent evaluator, bigcarp, Lisa loves Gibbs, or Nate-in-the-PDX box.

Every single day we need to remind L'il Danny that the long-time fans of this team are sick and tired of this crap and the days of simply hoping for a better future are over. It's time to cut ol' slow-Joe loose. When the $6 million head coach says that nobody has an answer to the 2nd-half collapses, he just handed you his head on a platter. They pay you to know, coach! You're a prize one jackass this time around and you need to get out and go play grampa. Buy an RV and tour the country, go back to NASCAR, go to Disney World, but get the heck out of here!!

Posted by: Soups1 | November 12, 2007 8:45 AM | Report abuse

Sean this game wasnt going to seperate us from rest of the NFL? What a stupid retarded kool-aide driven comment.You must be related to jm220?

Posted by: booredskinfanhoo | November 12, 2007 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Go remind him, Riggo44! Go remind Danny how right you were! That's the way to bring about regime change and get this franchise turned around, you chooch! Go do it!

You take an immense amount of satisfaction in the Skins losing, because it proves how right you were to give up hope in them? I love your logic!

I choose the remain hopeful about this team, even when it flies in the face of all evidence. That's how I choose to be a fan. You choose another way. Good for you!

Redskins 32, Cowboys 30

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 12, 2007 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Wow Riggo44 in on the Job! Change is comin!

Please dude, you and everybody else can't do siht....the danny is goona listen to you?


Also this "battle" between the "realists" and the "Kool aid" drinkers is about the dumbest most retarded thing I have ever seen on this blog. Why cant we all just discuss it. share opinions, be funny and have a little respect. Its like the Donner Party up here. Nobody is listening to anybody and you/we/us all sound like we know about as much football as those wankers who filled Wembly stadium for Jints V Fish....

Take a breath people, jeesh

Posted by: chrislarry | November 12, 2007 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Where would we be without you Nate? Panties

CL you just got to ignore them my friend.

Posted by: jm220 | November 12, 2007 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Monday's really suck after a lost.

Posted by: jm220 | November 12, 2007 9:13 AM | Report abuse

I've just spent an hour reading some of the most angry, hateful, and downright dejected postings in RI history.

welcome to the darkside to all those newcomers.

It's okay to be mad. I'm happy you finally see all those shortcomings (O&D, Playcalling & Execution) that will keep this team mediocre (at best) for the forseeable future.

The question is...what can we do about it? Nothing? What really happens if 50 or 500 of us stop tuning in and going to games? Nothing.

All we can do is hope. An angry frustrated hope that 10-6 still happens. A small happiness that we've found a franchise quarterback. A tiny precious hope that Bill Cowher will come out of retirement in 2008.

Someday fans in this city may have the opportunity to purchase this team. Until that day, we are helpless. Clinging to the 10 years of glory that tinted our genetic code B&G. Cherishing the 3 trophies won when this franchise sweated innovation and creativity. Coveting the return of perennial playoff bliss.

As a fan I am powerless to do anything but rant, rave, and rip apart coaches and executives alike. I trusted you to bring me glory. I invested in those instruments you assembled to seek victory. You have broken my heart. Alas, the NFL is capitalism, not a democracy. You have the assets, you own the team. I am the surf.

I just teared up.

I'd like e'one to also keep in mind that without this blog we'd be screaming at the pages of the wapo or throwing OJ at ESPN and comcast. Be happy for our outlet.

PG out.

Posted by: Pubgolf | November 12, 2007 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Well, poop. I guess it's time to rank the Teams I Would Least Like to See Win the SB, based on my very sophisticated ranking algorithm which factors in "likelihood to win it all" plus my level of hatred:

1. Cowboys
2. Patriots
3. Giants


And the twin to that list, Teams I Would Prefer to See Win the SB, factoring in likelihood to win it all and not-hatred:

1. Packers
2. Steelers
3. Colts
4. Chargers
11. Redskins

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 12, 2007 9:22 AM | Report abuse

"Game was lost on that gutless 3rd and goal draw. You could see a TD coming for the Eagles on the next drive from miles away. Gibbs thinks he is doing the smart thing to help his team win by being conservative."

I couldn't agree more. This play points to the reason why Joe Gibbs must step down at the end of the season. Someone asked, how doe we know that Joe Gibbs has a hand in the offensive playcalling? Why wouldn't he? Its no secret that Gibbs is in the hall because of his win perecentage (Super Bowls) and his offensive schemes. Joe Gibbs hired Saunders because he knows his offense is somewhat outdated. I think what is happening late in games is that Gibbs takes over on offense when the Redskins have a lead. Its his way of making sure that the team will live or die on his playcalling. What he dosen't understand is that the reason why they have a lead is because of the playcalling of Al Saunders. Until Gibbs decides who to trust with the playcalling in the 4th quarter, the team will continue to struggle with opponents making late surges.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 12, 2007 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Well said PG! I agree with you completely.....accept on Bill Cowher...dont want him, that, to me, stinks of same old throw money at a problem....

But that debate is for another day, thanks for the elequent wrap up

Posted by: chrislarry | November 12, 2007 9:25 AM | Report abuse

I am like a ditto head today....Couldnt agree more RedDMV for 3.5 quarters I was thinking....Saunders is rippin it today, O looks great utilizin CP, JC and let hungry scrub recievers show some salt...

Then old stone hands Betts fumbles, and it was painfully obvious Gibbs took the playcalling back....

Posted by: chrislarry | November 12, 2007 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Ok was at the game, can someone fill me in because i was alittle drunk and didnt understand why they burned all there time outs so early in the second half. I know we lost one on a challenge but what happened with the other two?

Posted by: peters82 | November 12, 2007 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Dallas line at 12 pts.

(I would lay the points.)

Mr. Gibbs, you got 6 days to generate extra 2 TD's for Sunday's game.

Good luck.

Posted by: gdennie | November 12, 2007 9:37 AM | Report abuse

I didn't see a minute of the game -- baby watch in full effect at my house, so spending 3.5 hours at the sports bar would have vaulted my into the lead for dbag deadbeat dad of the year, an award I do not covet -- and I am having a little trouble making my way through the blog comments.

My main question: what the hell happened to our defense?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 12, 2007 9:37 AM | Report abuse

I don't know who the Redskins should select as the heir to Gibbs. I do like the idea of the chin on the sidelines in DC. Who cares if he wants 5 mil a year, it dosen't come out of the salary cap. The Skins will have it. Gibbs will be on the payroll for one more year, if he steps down before his contract is up. I think Cowher will bring that agression on both sides of the ball which is seriously lacking these days among the coaching staff, except Gregg Williams. I also think Gregg Willimas would be a good head coach, you see him yelling at players on the sideline when they need it most. He appears to pick and choose his rants at the right time. And if you look at his time in Buffalo and think that he would be a lousy HC here in Washington, then you don't know a whole lot about coaching in the NFL. Not that I do, but...

If you're a Gibbs loyalits (Kool Aid Drinker) then by all means do so. But when others cite Joe Gibbs's playcalling as the reason of the second half collapses, dosen't games like yesterday, past, and future (I'm sure it will happen again) just validate that theory even more?

Posted by: RedDMV | November 12, 2007 9:42 AM | Report abuse

peters82,

One word.
Playcalling.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 12, 2007 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Was listening to Cooley this morning on DC 101. He said the best drives yesterday were the ones in which they did the "hurry up" offense. Guess who calls those plays? Jason Cambell.

Posted by: SeanTizzy2DaHizzy | November 12, 2007 9:44 AM | Report abuse

JM, yeah, you said it. Thanks for the tip yesterday that Fox had switched over to the Skins/Eagles game.

Couple things if I could:

4th & 1, if no one is lined up directly in front of Rabach, then that has to be a qb sneak. JC is big enough that he can push that over.

The play calling inside of the 10 leaves a LOT to be desired. Once teams see Lorenzo report into the game, they know we're going to be running it. Our line isn't good enough to simply line up and blow guys off the line.

What can you do now, firing EVERYBODY, isn't an option at this time.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | November 12, 2007 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Its simple this game was lost on 1st and goal with the 2 run plays and then again after the penalty on 1st and goal with 2 more Gibbs running plays.

Posted by: dave197391 | November 12, 2007 9:48 AM | Report abuse

"Game was lost on that gutless 3rd and goal draw. You could see a TD coming for the Eagles on the next drive from miles away.

When that happened I said right then and there that we were going to lose the game.

Posted by: jm220 | November 12, 2007 9:52 AM | Report abuse

3rd down didnt matter at that point we were playing scared. And yes it was a stupid call also but we should have been in spread formation every play from 1st an goal until we punched it in.

Posted by: dave197391 | November 12, 2007 9:56 AM | Report abuse

its obvious when Gibbs takes the play calling over because hes still stuck in 1991. I love him for what hes done, but hes now holding this team back.

Posted by: dave197391 | November 12, 2007 9:58 AM | Report abuse

I think Campbell can call plays at the LOS. He is able to make audibles when he has to. The difference is Al Saunders trusts him to make these decisions, Joe Gibbs dosen't trust anyone late in the game with playcalling on offense.

Even his own super smart QB.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 12, 2007 10:01 AM | Report abuse

I see everyone is staying away today.

That is probably in everyones best interest.

Losses like that, this blog could get really nasty today, and I'm not talking about in a good way;)

Posted by: RedDMV | November 12, 2007 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Just skimmed through yesterday's comments but it got pretty ugly 'up here' huh?

I can't see Gibss walking away mid-season so that particular bandwagon is going to have to show a lot of patience before they get what they want - which doesn't really sit well with the whole knee-jerk approach does it?

Didn't watch the game, but it sounds like they've belatedly started to explore your QB's competence and found that he CAN successfully call plays from the line of scrimmage. Props to JC for doing that and presumably Weird Al should get major props for giving him the right options to choose from on each play.

That said it sounds like the dead hand of cowardice came over the play-calling just at the worst time. You have to figure the guy who's feeding those plays to the QB to run no-huddle successfully CANNOT be the same guy saying "run 27 consecutive times in the red zone regardless of effectiveness"?

The NFC is still bad enough (Detroit MINUS 18 yards rushing in a whole game!?!) that you can contend for a playoff spot as long as you find a way to win 9 games (may need to find a tie-breaker with New Orleans though), but it's hard to see how your team can live with either the Cowboys (watched that game yesterday, they are good) Giants or Green Bay (at Lambeau in January) if you meet any of them in the playoffs.

Oh and my team is 0-9!!! We (well at least Cleo Lemon) found a way to lose another game, hurrah!!

Posted by: Redcoat | November 12, 2007 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Oh, and did anyone actually meet up with Jasno in Shirlington on Saturday? Or was it all a big no-show again?

No way I could make a weekend meet, family time.

Posted by: Redcoat | November 12, 2007 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Oh and Nate, I believe the answer to ending your 'watch' is supposed to be have Mrs Nate drink some Raspberry tea or something.

Posted by: Redcoat | November 12, 2007 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Can we run Redcoat off the blog? Just joking my friend. Your team is the only one that hasn't won a game this year. That has to be tough. My boss is a Dolphin fan and I clown him every week. He reminds me it always could be worse. lol

Posted by: jm220 | November 12, 2007 10:19 AM | Report abuse

upon overnight refelection my feeling about what is wrong with the team isn't so much about play calling ( although the 3rd and goal draw play was very predictable) its about playmakers who turn poor (read conservative) play calls in to touchdowns/big plays you need to look no further for evidence than a screen pass taken to the house with the game on line.....that is what we lack....an ordinary play turned into a a 50 yrd td.... Moss is the one player on our team capable....cooley on occassion.....other than that?.....lacking this you are going to play close games because most teams are +/- the same.... the teams that the legit contenders have the QB/ runnning back and receiver(s) who change games and make thier coach look super smart...and they probbally have a few on defense too.... Gibbs is no different this time around (clock management aside) his play calling tended to be low risk and when he did take a shot Which he still does many times he hit....so when cambell over throws lloyd in the 3rd qtr (He was open and just needed to be lead a little to the inside) that could have been and maybe was the play In Gibbs 1.0 that broke the back....I see and have from the begining that we are who we are and that might mean 6 wins it could mean 10 wins....it will 6/7 if we can't make some big plays ....it might be 10 if we can

Posted by: Oldschool | November 12, 2007 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Oldschool you make some valid points. I have no idea why Cooley is not used more. It wasn't unti the second half before a pass was thrown his way. If Gibbs would have went for the touchdown instead of the field goal the Eagles would have been done. JC was having a hell of a game up to that point so why not let him throw in the end zone. At worst I think he would have thrown it away and we would have came away with a field goal anyway. But not to even try is beyond me.

Posted by: jm220 | November 12, 2007 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Wow, Riggo44, it's amazing how you think you can demand that Snyder fire Gibbs, sell the team, and he is just going to bow down at your feet. Get REAL. Snyder is not going to sell the team (EVER) and he will not fire Gibbs. Gibbs would have to step down.

Like Doc Walker said this morning....our team is like family members that you may not like but are stuck with. Either love them or move on.

Gibbs was actually telling the truth when he said "we are all in this together" as it was a total team loss. Shazam missed an extra point. Penalties on D twice kept the Eagles opening drive alive - and they scored. Clock management issues. Offense could not score in the Red Zone...Cooley called for penalty when Thrash was wide open in the end zone...no pass play called when necessary. The D totally let Westbrook make plays after the Reaper left the game. They were ALL in this together.

Posted by: Lisa | November 12, 2007 10:26 AM | Report abuse

I'm definitely leaning toward the corner of Gibbs must step aside. The biggest problem with this franchise the last 15 years is the lack of continuity. I really do not want to have to see JC learn another offense. If someone like Cowher comes in he will be bringing in a whole new staff and system. It would be good to see Saunders stay around without being handcuffed by the conservative nature surrounding this team. Would Grilliams be a good head coach? I'm not so sure and think Greg Blache would give us some continuity as well on the D side if he leaves for not being named head coach. That being said, sorry for jumping ahead. This season isn't over yet but it is painfully obvious we are nothing better than a potential wild card that will be exiting the playoffs early if we even can scratch our way in. Tough to see us winning in Dallas the way they are playing and the state of our secondary. In all likelihood, we will be tied for last in the division since Philly plays Miami next week. When will the misery for us Skins fans end?

Posted by: cdubb | November 12, 2007 10:31 AM | Report abuse

When will we get an update on the Reaper? If he can't go this week Sunday will be a long day.

Posted by: jm220 | November 12, 2007 10:50 AM | Report abuse

"Safety Sean Taylor suffered a sprained knee in Sunday's game against the Philadelphia Eagles. He will undergo an MRI on Monday, team officials said, to re-evaluate the injury.
Head coach Joe Gibbs said the injury appeared to be "mild," but added that it was too soon to determine his status for next week's game.

"Hopefully it will be something where he can come back next week," Gibbs said."

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=31191

Posted by: bigfish | November 12, 2007 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of all being in this together...

I am completely disgusted by almost every aspect of this game. I was disgusted by the mental errors made by Cooley and the defense, again. I was disgusted by the 'nadsless play calling, again. I was disgusted by lack of killer instinct, again.

What I was most disgusted by, having been at the game yesterday had nothing to do with the team. It had to do with us, the fans.

WE HAVE NO HOMEFIELD ADVANTAGE ANYMORE! At least in my section, the cheering was lackluster at key moments, many seats were empty till about 3 minutes into the 1st quarter, and worst of all, with 2:20 or so left in the game, after Grilliams obviously let Westbrook score the last TD so we could get the ball back, MFers started leaving!!!!

The stadium was basically empty for the last ditch effort of OUR TEAM! It was horrifically embarrassing that, though it was a longshot, with our team still breathing OUR TEAM'S "FANS" WANTED TO BEAT THE RUSH TO THE PARKING LOT!

Were you afraid they'd run out of free samples of Full Throttle?

You all know me, most of you, and know that I'm generally a positive, even tempered sort, but today I'm ashamed, angry and, I think metioned this, disgusted.

If I had been on the field in those last 2 minutes, I would have been demoralized as a player to see my fans give up that way.

Sorry, been holding that in for about 14 hours

Posted by: LarryBud | November 12, 2007 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Thanks bigfish8

Posted by: jm220 | November 12, 2007 11:01 AM | Report abuse

"If I had been on the field in those last 2 minutes, I would have been demoralized as a player to see my fans give up that way."

So now it's the fans fault....

Geeeez. I got home in a record time of 45 minutes, not 2 hours....

Posted by: jmich001 | November 12, 2007 11:04 AM | Report abuse

HA. Now Lisa is saying "we're all in this together". She's more of a joke than Gibby is.

Hey Lisa, told ya hussy!

Posted by: johnw | November 12, 2007 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Thanks JM, toying with us Fins fans is no fun anyway this year.

We had the usual catalog of craziness yesterday: a Ginn return for TD canceled out (again) by a non-existent holding call, again. Cleo Lemon not throwing to Ginn when he's beyond the Buffalo secondary because he just can't seem to throw that far (those small hands again).

But for all the wailing and gnashing of teeth I've seen on Fins blogs I haven't seen anything like the vitriol that I've seen here - fan to team AND fan to fan. Why do guys come here to batter on fans of the SAME team!?!

It's in danger of turning into "little endian" versus "big-endians" here if you guys aren't careful. Blog wars aren't pretty and change NOTHING. By all means disagree, but as chrislarry put it earlier, at least do so respectfully. Everyone's entitled to an opinion no matter how misguided it may seem.

Posted by: Redcoat | November 12, 2007 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Redcoat

Need your team to go to 0-10 next week so I can get sucked into at least another 2 weeks of deluding myself that the Eagles can make the playoffs. I thought I was done with this after the Bears game, but with everyone starting to bunch up around .500, I'm back to thinking anything is possible.

Can I count on Cleo and the rest of the Fins for another loss next Sunday?

Thanks (for prolonging the agony)
Adam

Posted by: argh | November 12, 2007 11:10 AM | Report abuse

jmich,

No, it's obviously not the fans' "fault". I think I mentioned my disgust at the failure of the team. I was disgusted by the lack of football intelligence and heart of the fans that left early. I think that does have a psychological impact on the players. That is not an excuse for them to play poorly, but it can't help.

BTW, did you enjoy your Full Throttle on the way home?

Posted by: LarryBud | November 12, 2007 11:13 AM | Report abuse

HA. Now Lisa is saying "we're all in this together".

Posted by: johnw | November 12, 2007 11:06 AM

Johnw, if you're not "in it" why are you even bothering to comment? What sort of 'fan' is it that wants to gloat over the fact that 'his' team LOST?

Some of you guys need to face facts. YOU DO NOT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM CONTROL EITHER THE PRESENT OR THE FUTURE OF THE WASHINGTON REDSKINS. The ONLY person who does that is Snyder, Daniel and he not only doesn't care what you think, he has no idea you even exist.

You can support your team and live with what that means or go support someone else. But don't get on people's backs simply because they don't adhere to your nihilistic viewpoint.

Posted by: Redcoat | November 12, 2007 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Adam, call it a totally false dawn of optimism but I think Miami beats Philly if Beck starts - which he probably won't.

If Lemon, Total is still behind center we lose our 6th game of the season by exactly 3pts to go 0-10.

Posted by: Redcoat | November 12, 2007 11:19 AM | Report abuse

You can support your team and live with what that means or go support someone else. But don't get on people's backs simply because they don't adhere to your nihilistic viewpoint.

Posted by: Redcoat | November 12, 2007 11:15 AM

Wow, 'coat, nihilism, huh? I agree with the supporting your team part, though.

Posted by: LarryBud | November 12, 2007 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Johnw, if you're not "in it" why are you even bothering to comment? What sort of 'fan' is it that wants to gloat over the fact that 'his' team LOST?
-Redcoat

The same kind that leaves the stadium when his team is still in it.

Posted by: LarryBud | November 12, 2007 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Redcoat, for what it's worth, I hope your Dolphins pull the feathers off the Eagles.

Posted by: Lisa | November 12, 2007 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Flag on the play! Unnecessary fantasy roughness against Zebra, whose team is leading He Nate Me by eighty freakin' points. Ugh.

So if Bobby Engram scores six TDs and breaks Flipper Anderson's single-game yardage mark tonight... I still lose. Yowza.

*** end fantasy jibba jabba, back to the other stuff ***

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 12, 2007 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Yes, Larry I meant that.

There are always times as a fan where you get 'that feeling' that it's not going to work out in a game and can legitimately say afterwards "I told you I thought this might happen", but this behaviour is different to that.

There seem to be people around here that WANT that to happen so they can jam it down the throat of others who hoped (sometimes against hope itself) that it wouldn't go down that way.

If that's how you feel I suggest you don't really believe in the things that supposedly bind you together in fandom with the others here. And maybe you don't really believe in much of anything else either.

It's a leap to nihilism from what's been happening here Larry, but it's not much of a leap. It's certainly at least 'cynical'.

When I was taught about the Cynics, I was given an illustration of how little regard they often had for others opinions. If someone was arguing against them in Greece they would climb a rock/building above the other person and then urinate down on them to show how unimportant the other person was and their disgust for them daring to argue with them.

Sound familiar?

Posted by: Redcoat | November 12, 2007 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Thankyou Lisa, but forgive me if I don't hold my breath hoping for Miami to do it! :-)

Posted by: Redcoat | November 12, 2007 11:32 AM | Report abuse

The Cynics:

A great garage punk band out of Pennsylvania who started in the 80's and still going strong. Singer Greg Kastelic (sp!) also started and helms the indie label, Get Hip.

Sounds like: The Lyres, The Sonics, Paul Revere & the Raiders

Posted by: chrislarry | November 12, 2007 11:34 AM | Report abuse

In the for what it's worth department:

1) How important is good ol' #21???? Think we missed him in the 4th qtr? Hope he's back this week or we're in for a long week against the Cowgirls.

2) Yet again, Gibbs being afraid to piss himself leads to conservative, but more importantly PREDICTABLE, goal to go calls. It's almost like he feels he needs to prove to himself that we can run the ball inside the 10. Sure, we ran it all day on them BUT inside the 5 is a different game. Jumbo package, 8-9 inside the box and there's no room to run. Spread out the D, THEN run or throw in a 1st and goal play action. Think someone might have been sucked in, especially on the second set of downs inside the 5???????

3) JC can hold his own. Fox showed that graphic of how well JC does inside the 20. QB rating of ~110, 9 TD's and either 0 or 1 interception. Remind me again why Gibbs doesn't trust him inside the 10???

4) We have had 4th qtr leads in all but the NE game. We have lost those leads in all but two of the games (two OT wins, 3 losses, should have lost to AZ, etc). Gibbs gets asked why yesterday: "I don't know". He's so afraid to lose that he plays not to lose as opposed to playing to win. THE MINDSET NEEDS TO CHANGE!

Posted by: carocanesfan | November 12, 2007 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Hey cL, they sound like a good band!

Posted by: Redcoat | November 12, 2007 12:18 PM | Report abuse

They had a sure TD to a wide open James Thrash (Eagles were in the wrong defense) that would have made it 29-22, BUT.... Cooley moved early.

So that's whose fault? Gibbs? Snyder? Cerrato? Saunders?

It's Cooley mistake.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 11, 2007 07:22 PM

WELL YES AND NO

Funny (ironis, not ha ha) how teams with the best coaches and the winningest records are the teams that make the fewest mistakes.

But there is something seriously wrong at Redskin park in the DETAILS department, because this is NOT an isolated event, it has become the norm.

But the Redskins make too many unforced errors at critical times. That's a leadership and discipline issue.

The Redskins fall apart in the second half. That's a leadership and adjustment issue,s and perhaps conditioning.

The coaches make too many bad decisions. Gibbs on philosophy and time management, WIlliams on what works best. Saunders on deciding to come here.

Ownership fails to provide even marginally adequate personnel assessment, and the Coach has no clue who to draft what to spend in money or draft picks in trades. Double failures.

A few teams have figured out how to win in this league. The Redskins are NOT among them.

Posted by: corkczar | November 12, 2007 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Rising above the frustration we all feel, here is where I think we are. Let me know what you guys think.

Forget the division. We now need to win our 3 remaining home games and 2 games on the road to take a wild card. All our remaining road games are NFC, so it does not matter which two.

I am assuming the Taylor injury can't be that bad since he came back into the game for a few plays after getting hurt. The whole defense falls apart without him.

Provided Taylor is back this week or next week, we can do this. Up until the chicken -poop draw on 3rd and goal, we saw aggressive playcalling and what actually appeared to be an NFL-level passing attack. Also, it is pretty clear that the running game has returned. It will only get better if Randy Thomas gets back. To me, the easiest (but not easy) way to reach the playoffs is to beat Buffalo, Chicago, and Dallas at home and Minnesota and Tampa Bay on the road.

Posted by: LiberalMike | November 12, 2007 12:37 PM | Report abuse

nearly 21 hours later and I am still in agony.

Interesting comments by Chris Samuels in the post this morning. He says it is not Gibbs but the players not getting it done for Gibbs.

At least he is man enough to take the blame.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | November 12, 2007 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Let's see Santana out
ARE playing injured
Thrash goes out injured
Where is #85?

Oh, I suppose he is now going to say, I can't do it if they don't let me play.

How about asking why they don't let you play? Why they don't trust you?

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | November 12, 2007 12:41 PM | Report abuse

I usually fall in the "its not play-calling, it's execution" camp, but this week they lost the game when they called a draw on 3rd-and-goal from the 7. I knew the outcome at that moment. I'm sure many here did also.

The NFL does not reward gutless play-calling their agressive gameplan killed Philly all day when when it mattered most they lost their nerve and gave Philly all the momentum they needed. Poor Prioleau had an Ade Jimoh moment.

Posted by: LiberalMike | November 12, 2007 12:41 PM | Report abuse

The agony is still washing over me in waves, gawd what a tough pill to swallow....

Bleedingheartmike,

I understand what your saying, but I don't think I can care anymore abouut playoffs, numbers games....they just don't deserve that kind of menatlity. Yesterday might as well have been a playoff game with all the implications. They win that game and you really can start plotting....


Now to me its play the game in front and figure out what it takes to win in this game....

And by the way I think I am done with this "christian coaching" crap, ready to try some hindu, pagan, Zorastrian....something!

Posted by: chrislarry | November 12, 2007 12:42 PM | Report abuse

As I said earlier, it's pretty clear this coaching staff is letting down this team but Wow some of you have lost some perspective.

If the season ended today this team would make the playoffs as a wildcard team. This is a very average team be happy with wins and temper then anger over loss'. Detroit and the Pats were aberations so take your aspirin everyday and try to remain calm. It's gonna be close every week.

Posted by: SeanTizzy2DaHizzy | November 12, 2007 12:43 PM | Report abuse

"A few teams have figured out how to win in this league. The Redskins are NOT among them.

Posted by: corkczar | November 12, 2007 12:35 PM"

Corkczar...VERY FEW teams. Besides the Pats, Colts (who looked bad last night) Cowboys and Steelers....what other teams look like they have their acts together???

Posted by: Lisa | November 12, 2007 12:46 PM | Report abuse

chrislarry,

I absolutely agree with you on whether they deserve it. At this point, I'd have to say that if they make the playoffs they wont deserve it. Now if they dominate from here on out that might change but I'm not sure that is going to happen especially if Taylor is out.

T.O. is scared to death of Sean Taylor. He usually only plays the first quarter against us and as soon as the Reaper gets a lick on him he is out with a finger or a hammy or etc. If Taylor is out this Sunday it will probably get embarassing and quick. Hope JC is ready to put up 50.

Posted by: LiberalMike | November 12, 2007 12:46 PM | Report abuse

ST2TH, If the season ended today the Giants and Lions would have the wildcards. The Skins would not be in. Too bad we can't be in the NFC West or South.

Posted by: bigfish | November 12, 2007 12:52 PM | Report abuse

I can't understand why everyone is fixated on the 3rd and 7 call inside the Red Zone and how that lost the game. I have never played or coached professional football but it seems to me that the Redskins were up by two points at that time. The field goal gave them a 5 pt lead. I am not sure how a play that doesn't score a TD "loses" a game when you are in front. Seems to me what "lost" the game was the inability of the defense to prevent the Eagles from scoring a TD with about 3 minutes to play. If Gibbs can't rely on the defense to hold a 5 pt lead we got way more problems that calling a draw play from the 7. I noticed last night that the Colts ran the ball 3 times inside the Red Zone, including 3rd and 3 when they were behind by 2 pts. Dungy was playing for the field goal and expected his defense to protect a 1 pt lead. I wonder how many fans in Indianapolis are calling for his ouster. Granted recent Gibbs is not in the same coaching class as Dungy but funny how the play calling was simliar at the end.

Posted by: mbearden | November 12, 2007 12:54 PM | Report abuse

The Lions showed what they will be in the second half of the season yesterday and Eli Manning looks as if he has gone on his usual 2nd half downhill slide. I saw earlier that someone had mentioned the Saints as well. The Saints? They only lost to an 0-8 team yesterday. We still have a good shot at the post season. I for one am holding on to hope.

Posted by: bigfish | November 12, 2007 12:56 PM | Report abuse

If I hear anyone bash Sean-Tay anymore I am going to puke in my mouth....

It was sooooooooo obvious what life is like for our defense when he is out. That house of cards scheme of Manboobs comes crashing down....

I am so over GGrillimas I think his game planning is just as "not to lose" as gibbiesat this point....


Also I said this yesterday but worth repeating. The Pats showed the league how to attack our Defense. You let our D-Line rush full on (notice pats and eagles o linemen backing up on every play) and than draw and dump over them all day. They don't have to worry about the DBs cause there 30 yards downfield covering the fake WR go routes and the LBS are left in space. At worst this is good for 5/6 yard gains setting up third and manageables, at best well see westbrook TD scamper.....

With Julius jones, Marion barber and Whitten next I expect more of the same.....

Posted by: chrislarry | November 12, 2007 12:56 PM | Report abuse

This is a quote from an Eagles blog yesterday during the game.

"Also if Washington stays in this defense all day, all we have to do is throw 15-yard in routes and RUN THE BALL."

Grilliams cannot be that dumb to not be able to see the same thing.

Posted by: bigfish | November 12, 2007 1:01 PM | Report abuse

mbearden,

you don't have to have played or coached to observe, over a period of time, what happens to teams that are content to settle for a field goal in that situation (and, make no mistake, by running a draw you are saying that you are content to take a field goal). At that point, it should already have been clear to Gibbs and Saunders that, with Taylor out, our defense was vulnerable deep and 3 minutes is plenty of time for a TD. We needed a TD there to make it a 2 score lead. We didn't even try to close the door with a TD. From that moment on, we had no business winning.

Posted by: LiberalMike | November 12, 2007 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Our defense should start using zone blitzes....have our d-line occasionaly sit back, tip balls, not go gang busters every play....

seems obvious to me.....We have athletes on D line...Carter has played LB...mix it the F up!

Posted by: chrislarry | November 12, 2007 1:05 PM | Report abuse

We don't scheme from week to week...thats why the other coaches have such good reads on our tendancies...its all on tape!!!!!!

We "do what we do" and tell people we are going to do it...hello!

Posted by: chrislarry | November 12, 2007 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Lloyd looked like he was going all out to me. Made some great blocks downfield in the running game. Gave it all he had to catch up with that deep one Campbell uncorked.

We need to get him involved early. and get him into a rhythm. First series against Dallas should include short high % passes to Moss, ARE, AND LLOYD. Get them in the mix before you NEED them in the mix.

Posted by: LiberalMike | November 12, 2007 1:10 PM | Report abuse

I'd just like to point out that James Thrash had one of the best days of his career yesterday and that was, quite possibly, the last game of his career.

Great Skin. Too bad they didn't try to win it for him.

Posted by: LiberalMike | November 12, 2007 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Amen cL. Heavy jumbo in the red zone means it's a run. You'd think they'd try play action and throw to the tackle eligible. Or better yet, how about 4-wide in the red zone. Spread it out...can still run from that formation.

Oh, and F Portis haters.
Where are all you damn Portis haters today?! Huh?! You all STILL want Betts to be the man?

Posted by: 4-12 | November 12, 2007 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Everything that has been said on this blog about constantly being in the same formation with everyone bunched up and one WR out, about not spreading out the formation, about how far the LB's and DB's play off the ball, about not sending anyone on a blitz, etc. was repeated over and over by the announcers yesterday during the game.

Posted by: bigfish | November 12, 2007 1:15 PM | Report abuse

I think I saw Chris Cooley on a milk carton this morning.

Posted by: bigfish | November 12, 2007 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Corkczar...VERY FEW teams. Besides the Pats, Colts (who looked bad last night) Cowboys and Steelers....what other teams look like they have their acts together???

Posted by: Lisa | November 12, 2007 12:46 PM

How bout the Packers, Lions, Titans, Jaguars, and Giants, just to name a few teams with better records than ours. Also, would you trust us to beat the Saints? Also, the Bills, Browns, Chargers, and Bucs have the same record as us and I wouldn't be comfortable betting on us to win against any of those teams either.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | November 12, 2007 1:25 PM | Report abuse

That felt a lot like week 3.

Half time lead. Check.
1st in goal inside the 5 = no TD. Check.
Bad coaching. Check.
Being outscored in the 4th quarter. Check.
Wide Receivers getting injured. Check.
Failure to turn the dagger and put away a division foe. Check.
Joe Gibbs saying it was a hard fought battle (like he knew it would be) and everyone including him takes responsibility for it. Check.

I'm ready for the Cowboys.

Girls by 40!

Posted by: Dorf | November 12, 2007 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and F Portis haters.
Where are all you damn Portis haters today?! Huh?! You all STILL want Betts to be the man?

Posted by: 4-12

4-12 I was wondering the same thing. Where in the hell is Mr. Hate CP himself JLC?

Posted by: jm220 | November 12, 2007 1:30 PM | Report abuse

LiberalMike,
I have to disagree. Sure it would have been great to get the TD and make it a two score game but the Redskins had a 5 pt lead and the Eagles needed to drive the length of the field in less then 4 minutes and score a TD. This was the perfect time for the bend and break defense to work. However, they let the Eagles go 57 yards in one play.
I also don't understand the concept of having no reason to win because you didn't score a TD in the last couple of minutes when you have a lead. If you consider yourself a good team you should be able to protect a lead. Obviously the defense is not as good as we hoped. BTW based on the way the defense played how safe would have the lead been if they had scored the TD. As quick as the Eagles scored they probably would have gotten the onside kick and then drove down for the winning FG. My concern has been and remains the defense.

Posted by: mbearden | November 12, 2007 1:39 PM | Report abuse

I think it's funny that all these kool-aid drinkers like to bash JLC as being anti-redskin when all he does is tell the truth and tell it like it is. If all you want to read are positive/homerism/good news only stories than go to redskins.com.

If you go to the doctor what's more important to you, that he tells you that you have a nice hair cut and a suit or that you have 4 clogged arteries which could lead to a massive heart attack?

Also, if it weren't for JLC we wouldn't have this lovely blog to come onto and act like armchair gm's/coaches/players/etc trying to live vicariously through the actual ones.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | November 12, 2007 1:41 PM | Report abuse

poopy, if it weren't for JLC my job productivity would be higher.

Its his fault I am unproductive!

Posted by: Dorf | November 12, 2007 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Poopy_McPoop no one has asked JLC to give us "positive/homerism/good news only stories". However we don't want the reporter (or at least the ones that don't attack him as a person)dislike for the FO and owner to creep into the stories all the time. If you go back to last year JLC didn't give feel good stories all the time but the energy was totally different last year.

Posted by: jm220 | November 12, 2007 1:45 PM | Report abuse

I prefer to act like an armchair President of Football Operations myself.

Posted by: bigfish | November 12, 2007 1:46 PM | Report abuse

My one comment about the game is: we will not be attending the playoffs. Another coulda shoulda woulda game that broke John from Herndon's heart (again).

I did salvage my day by checking out the fearsome billing of Nashville Pu**y, Hank Williams III, and The Reverend Horton Heat at a local club last night. Good times, and the meathead with the Cowgirls hat and T.O. jersey got kicked out to boot. Bonus.

Posted by: pulldownclaw | November 12, 2007 1:50 PM | Report abuse

I was also wondering about John from Herndon... either he died back in week 3 or he never got past the high security of blog 2.0.

Posted by: Dorf | November 12, 2007 1:54 PM | Report abuse

mbearden,

It is that feeling that you express that has paralyzed the Skins....

A field goal should be just fine. Let's get our three and then let the D stop them. Then we'll win. Settle for the safe thing, yadda yadda...Maybe it's true. Maybe we should have won and the D should have held them. BUT....

That's why we lost. You can have a sense for things. When we didn't score with TWO 1st and goals, you could sense that the FG wasn't going to be enough. #21 out. D giving up lots of yards, the boost for a goalline stand, etc.

We should be going for the jugular. Put it out of the other teams hands. Don't give them a chance! It is interesting to note that the Redskins have had a 4th quarter lead in EVERY game except the Pats. EVERY game. Playing not to lose has killed us. Let's play to win!

Posted by: carocanesfan | November 12, 2007 1:55 PM | Report abuse

wow wild bill pulldown!

Posted by: chrislarry | November 12, 2007 1:56 PM | Report abuse

A new post would really hit the spot right now. Whats the word on Taylor's MRI?

J-La we could use an update.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | November 12, 2007 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Big, in reference to your question above, regarding where Cooley is? I believe that he is blocking more than he has in the past. Usually on Todd Wade's side, whom seems to have regressed somewhat in his blocking.

No excuses, but losing any starting members of the O-line just KILLS a team. I'm wondering if Heyer will be given any PT in the near future.

Not that it matters but, if you go to the extreme site, and view the game photo's, Carter had himself a GREAT game, even if it didn't show up in the stats. He was whisper close to Mcnabb all game long.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | November 12, 2007 2:02 PM | Report abuse

beep beep -- Ask and ye shall receive, Greg.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 12, 2007 2:02 PM | Report abuse

I love your blog and columns - great stuff. Regarding the Hives, saw them a few weeks ago at the Black Cat, great show. You must see them live, they have a great dvd "Tussells in Brussels" that captures their energy and humor live. They played a few tracks of their new album during the show and it sounds good. I will see Rev. Horton Heat, Hank Williams III, and Nashville P. this Thursday. Do you follow The Hold Steady? You should check out their music, I'll be seeing them for the third time on this tour next Tuesday. Also, you should check out the Cold War Kids the following week, all at Black Cat. I've been a Skins fan for 40 years (since birth more or less:-) and enjoy your honest assessments of the Skins. Keep up the good work and the comments on music - football and music are two of my greatest passions.

Cheers! Matt

Posted by: mattfulgham | November 13, 2007 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, all at 9:30 Club.

Posted by: mattfulgham | November 13, 2007 12:12 PM | Report abuse

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