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Skins' Interest in Sanchez Still Strong

The Redskins have maintained strong interest in USC quarterback Mark Sanchez, according to team and league sources, and are evaluating him closely as a top candidate to be selected with their 13th overall pick in the April 25-26 NFL draft.

There is a possibility that Sanchez, considered by some to be the best passer in the draft, could be gone by the time Washington picks, but the Redskins have a history of draft-day deals and parting with future picks in order to move up. The Redskins were very impressed with Sanchez's workout at USC's pro day, according to sources, and the quarterback is scheduled to visit Redskins Park this weekend.

Owner Daniel Snyder has sought a quarterback of the future since taking over the team a decade ago, and is very high on Sanchez. Snyder's attempts to trade for Denver quarterback Jay Cutler failed recently, and the team has made no long-term commitment to its current starter, Jason Campbell. Campbell's contract expires after this season and the Redskins made him available to at least one team during its pursuit of Cutler, seeking a second-round pick in return, according to league sources.

As for history, well, Washington dealt multiple picks for an additional first-round pick in 2005 -- and used it to select Campbell 25th overall.

Sanchez, a junior, made just 16 starts at USC, but starred and follows a lineage of highly-selected passers in that program, including Carson Palmer (a Pro Bowler) and Matt Leinart (who has struggled in the NFL). Several teams picking ahead of Washington could be in the market for a quarterback, with Detroit possibly taking Sanchez or Georgia quarterback Matt Stafford first overall, and Seattle, Tampa Bay, San Francisco and Denver also exploring those options.

Sanchez played in a West Coast system much like that used by Redskins Coach Jim Zorn. Sanchez looks the part of an NFL quarterback at 6-foot-3, 225 pounds. He is athletic, strong-armed and mobile for his size, but some scouts caution that it may take a substantial amount of time and seasoning for him to succeed after making so few starts in college.

Sanchez would not fill an immediate need, but several other players possibly available with the 13th pick would. Should a tackle like Michael Oher (Mississippi) or Andre Smith (Alabama) slip, the Redskins could target either as a starter on the right side, while Aaron Maybin (Penn State) or Robert Ayers (Tennessee) would fill a void for a young defensive end, and any of a trio of USC linebackers -- Rey Maualuga, Clay Mathews and Brian Cushing -- could provide help at strong-side linebacker, another area of concern.

By Jason La Canfora  |  April 15, 2009; 2:07 PM ET
 
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Comments

How can Snyder ignore the poll that shows 92% of us RI regulars are against this move? Once he reads the poll results, he will turn his attention elsewhere.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 15, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

First again!

Posted by: edvar | April 15, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Taking him 1st would be wrong

Posted by: tomb4 | April 15, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

NO MEANS NO

Posted by: merajc86 | April 15, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

We need O line, D line LB and CB help. Let's focus there. A better O line makes Campbell a better QB, Portis a better RB (healthier), and the Redskins a more dominant team. It keeps the D off the field longer so they can make the big stand in the 4th quarter.

Build the lines for dominance!

Posted by: edvar | April 15, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

This might be the straw that breaks the camels back for me... particularly if we give away future picks.

All this would do is show Snyder wants new toys, and is not interested in building a team the correct way.

WE NEED LINEMAN BEFORE WE NEED ROOKIE QUARTERBACKS.

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 15, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Touche, Mr. LaCanfora. Still doesn't make it real or timely.

Posted by: LarryBud | April 15, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

There are 2 very real possibilities here:

1) This is smoke-screen and the FO is trying to make something happen, either force a tackle down the board by creating a run on Sanchez or get the attention of a team wanting to make a trade or something like that.

2) This is for real. And Snyder is ready alienate a large contigent of his fanbase who have stayed relatively faithful through Deion-gate, Bruce-gate, Carrier-gate, George-gate, Arch-gate, LLoyd-gate, several blown drafts and a carousel of coaches.

In Snyder's advantage, if it really is (1), then he's got a nice play because the attempt to trade Campbell plus his reputation for being a nincompoop means that other teams need to take this interest seriously.

Posted by: p1funk | April 15, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Danny always goes with the Sexy pick, and that is Sanchez. Needs a new spokeman for 6 flags! But the Jersery!

Posted by: Leeguru | April 15, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather take Sanchez then Oher, if I was stuck with these choices........

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 15, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather take Sanchez then Oher, if I was stuck with these choices........

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 15, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse


Look Mr Snyder, your attempt to sway fan's opinions by logging in here under "4thFloor" is not going to work..

Posted by: p1funk | April 15, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Touche, Mr. LaCanfora. Still doesn't make it real or timely.

Posted by: LarryBud | April 15, 2009

And everyone believed Vinny when he said they had no interest in Cutler that JC was the QB ... everyone in the organization except GM and owner Daniel Snyder.

At this point its hard not to believe that Mel Kiper may have the best read on the mind of this owner.

The silver lining is that it might mean another Spurrier-like failure with the consequent highest pick in the next draft. But they will likely trade that away to get Sanchez. And even if they had it without Joe Gibbs, a Parcels or someone of that ilk to guide those choices ... well ...

Posted by: periculum | April 15, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

I recall Al McGuire during a college basketball game saying a player took a bad shot. It went in. The announcer next to him said maybe it wasn't a bad shot because it went in.

McGuire was simple and brilliant in his response. It was a bad shot because it was a low percentage shot. It would always be a bad shot, no matter what the result was.

Picking QBs at the top of the draft is the equivalent of a 'bad shot'. Sometimes it will work. But the washout rate is about 50% on ABs picked in the top 5. That is much too high a price to pay, especially given the needs of this team.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 15, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

I'm done with this team - since we are stuck with the owner - who does not care about us - or winning!!! Just constantly wants new toys.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 15, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Its not a smokescreen. Snyder isn't that smart. He has always been blatantly obvious.

Posted by: periculum | April 15, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

DUMB@$$

Posted by: alex35332 | April 15, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

We have a QB who needs to be given a real chance. How long did it take Zorn to make Hasselback into a pro bowl QB? At least 3 years. Skins have far greater needs... And if they picked Sanchez and were wrong (they'd probably move up in the draft and surrender more picks), they would not only not be able to address their holes now, but they wouldn't be able to address all the new holes that every team develops... 1st round QBs are a 50/50 proposition at best, and no one has compared Sanchez to guys like Peyton Manning, Carson Palmer, or other 1st rounders who have done well. Don't do it, Dan. Be smart for once!

Posted by: why9 | April 15, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

every day it gets a little bit harder to like this team.

Posted by: Original_etrod | April 15, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

There are also 2 very real possibilities behind the multiple Sanchez posts that JLA keeps throwin up here:

1)He's actually in touch with real people who know real things and believes it is blog-worthy.

2)He knows that the "Sanchez" topic is potent anti-FO fuel, and he enjoys stoking the flames of discontent in RI nation toward the brass, while also increasing the blog visits

I say it is (2). It's not like he has real inside contacts.

Bravo, JLA. Good play.

Posted by: p1funk | April 15, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

I am sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but Campbell is not very good. He had the same offensive line from beginning to end with minimal changes an still could not get us to the playoffs. He shows flashes of brilliance, but every time we get excited the next week is the same old same old. He is slow in his release, robotic in his motions, and lacking an NFL swagger such as Peyton or Brees. He just doesn't look the part. I am convinced that Campbell, after years of grooming and coaching, will never live up to his potential.

He was Joe Gibbs' pick, not Zorn's or Snyder's. Gibbs is gone, and so is the run heavy offense. Bring in some youth, have our sophomore receivers flourish, and bring in a guy who is not afraid to throw the ball downfield. Heyer will develop, we will get a guy later in the draft to groom. With Randy thomas coming back the o-line will be in better shape as well. What good is drafting a lot of receivers when the quarterback has issues getting them the ball? Campbell, as I said before, is slow in his release. Sanchez is faster. The milliseconds in football are so precious, and with every Leftwich-like windup from Campbell, he either fumbles or throws a wobbly pass. A faster release will help our o-line as well.

Start fresh, scrap Gibb's project, and draft the best passer in this years draft.

And we should go to Iowa or something and get 6 foot 6 300 pound guys to just stand there and push the defense away. Who needs the draft!!!

Posted by: Broman17 | April 15, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

And everyone believed Vinny when he said they had no interest in Cutler that JC was the QB ... everyone in the organization except GM and owner Daniel Snyder.

Posted by: periculum

AHEMMMMMMM. I seem to recall that I had the story pegged with Cutler -- plus the Shanahan angle which showed up in later reports by the national media.

Why was I so ahead of the curve? Because I thought to myself, 'what is the splashiest thing Danny could do'? And ta da!!! I had the answer

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 15, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

If you're against drafting Mark Sanchez, you're a racist.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 15, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Maybe the front office is naive enough to think they don't have any pressing needs. Perhaps they believe that Daniels/Wynn are fine at end and Chris Wilson or Robert Thomas will be the answer at strong side linebacker. It's possible they think giving Sanchez a year to develop under Campbell is what's best in the long term for this team and possibly they end up with a Drew Brees/Phillip Rivers situation where Campbell proves all the doubters wrong and Sanchez comes on strong, too. Then they could re-sign Campbell (though I don't know why he'd let them do that if they do draft Sanchez) and trade one of the two QBs away for better draft picks than they have this year. I mean, these guys are professionals, right? Of course they know what they're doing. It's not like they've screwed up huge in the past.

Posted by: Wonsapnatm | April 15, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Jasno sees how everyone is getting their panties in a bunch over this Sanchez crap and is just milking it for everything he can. Its all about ratings (in this case, posts) people!

But anywho,

LETS GO CAPS!!!!!!

Posted by: REDneckSKINhead | April 15, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

This would, hands down, be the stupidest move in Redskins history. I've been loyal for so long and will likely stay loyal but this will really test my faith. There are MUCH bigger needs on this team than QB and it's not like Sanchez is a sure thing. If he was a 4 year starter, won championships or something, then I wouldn't be as disgusted but c'mon, to draft him would be bad. To trade up to draft him would be inexcusable.

Posted by: jaldrichl | April 15, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

'...This is smoke-screen and the FO is trying to make something happen...'

If it is a 'smokescreen' as you say, doesn't it only indicate the level of immaturity in the folks involved in trying to 'fake' other teams out?

Who sends out signals they are interested in another quarterback while the one they are contractually bound to prepares for what might be his final season?

Who tries to be 'slick' in situations were millions of dollars and fan loyalty is involved?

To me, all of this is a rumor. Until or if it happens, I'll bang the drum slowly for commonsense and drafting based on need.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 15, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

"I'd rather take Sanchez then Oher, if I was stuck with these choices........"

Seriously?

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 15, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

P1funk - #2

I'd heard from somewhere people give out false info to certian reporters........

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 15, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Let's hope all the QB's are gone by the time our pick comes along and that we don't give away picks to move up. Otherwise, we'll never go anywhere unless we get a new owner or Danny Boy hires a GM that won't work for him unless he(Danny) stays in his luxery suite and minds his own business.

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | April 15, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

If you're against drafting Mark Sanchez, you're a racist.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 15, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Well, we are fans of the Washington "Redskins"...

Posted by: p1funk | April 15, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

and the more I think about it and the more I read this stuff, I really think we're trying to get someone to trade up with us.

When we were trying to get rid of JC for a 2nd, people laughed at us most likely. They knew The Danny was stuck and no one would give up more than maybe a 4th rounder for him. With another GM/owner, I bet JC goes for a 2nd.


But THIS, THIS my friends, every other GM in the league knows Snyder is dumb enough to do this. This is a believable thing. So I think someone will jump to trade with us if Sanchez falls here.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 15, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

I hope if they draft him, they have a trade ready in the wings, either Sanchez or Campbell, I don't care, just make a trade happen for more picks, and or players.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | April 15, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

"I'd rather take Sanchez then Oher, if I was stuck with these choices........"

Seriously?

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 15, 2009 2:52 PM

Yes. Oher has the higher probable chance of being a bust. Seriously. Let Sanchez sit the WHOLE year. Let whoever this season will play out, play out completely under JC17. If we still don't want him, then trade him next year...........

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 15, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Here's my take...

If the Skins don't get Sanchez, I sure hope all you Campbell apoligist sign your name here. Half of these idiots ripped him, now you want him. He's a "classy" guy...he's a "class act".

I like Campbell too and would like to exercise some patience, but Sanchez by most pundits could be a franchise QB. I'd would consider it.

What is JC doesn't work out? Then what do we have?

Posted by: rickyroge | April 15, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

trading up to get sanchez is a mistake b/c the skins historically overpay,

but you all are nuts to think taking sanchez is a bad idea;
a good quarterback, which sanchez is, masks all your other problems
watch film of sanchez, he's good and currently an upgrade over campbell in the "put the team on your back" mold of leadership.
i like campbell, i really do, but the skins have so screwed him up that he's in worse shape than Patrick Ramsey who was totally abused by this administration; If Campbell can show that he'll get in somebody's face then we have no problems; unfortunately he hasn't been able to because he's constantly learning new offensive systems, OC's, and head coaches, tough break, again like Patrick Ramsey

Posted by: jbrady84 | April 15, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

'...This is smoke-screen and the FO is trying to make something happen...'

If it is a 'smokescreen' as you say, doesn't it only indicate the level of immaturity in the folks involved in trying to 'fake' other teams out?

Who sends out signals they are interested in another quarterback while the one they are contractually bound to prepares for what might be his final season?

Who tries to be 'slick' in situations were millions of dollars and fan loyalty is involved?

To me, all of this is a rumor. Until or if it happens, I'll bang the drum slowly for commonsense and drafting based on need.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 15, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

The cat is already out of the bag with regards to how Snyder feels about Campbell.

If you've been paying attention to the team the last 10 years, then you'd know that our ownership seems to have no problem flipping the bird to the fanbase and burning up millions of $$ in egregious nonsensical moves.

And are you really expecting "mature" behavior from our FO?

Posted by: p1funk | April 15, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

beantown


The Sox are 2-6.

Beckett's been suspended.

Dice K isn't healthy.

Lester has been pitching like Uncle Fester.

If you're Theo, do you panic and trade for Doc Holliday or J Peavy?

Or do you lay back and wait for the summer?

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 15, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Give Campbell this last year, and if he fails, get a QB next year, there will be a better crop of talent. It doesn't matter who is back there if they don't have protection and time to throw.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | April 15, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

"Oher has the higher probable chance of being a bust."

I don't follow your reasoning. Oher started in the SEC as a freshman, was projected as a top 20 pick last year, and he maintained his status after his senior year. Sanchez has only made 16 starts. I would think it would be the other way around.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 15, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

kinda agree with jbrady


JC has had a rough career just by coming here. Not the ideal place for a QB really. And if we have another year this year like we had last year, I won't hesitate to say that JC just didn't work out. Not all his fault, but partly I think is he just doesn't have what it takes to be a truly GREAT NFL QB. Not an insult, not a fact, just my opinion.


And who knows with Sanchez, but people have been saying very good things about him. I think he'll have a better career than Stafford, for whatever that is worth.


but will Sanchez really last to #13???

and thank god in the last two threads I've only seen one Colt Brennan post. Although, to be honest, that was one too many.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 15, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

"SKINS fans should pool up a fund to pay DETROIT to pick SANCHEZ and relieve us of SNYDER's folly.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 15, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

If you've been paying attention to the team the last 10 years, then you'd know that our ownership seems to have no problem flipping the bird to the fanbase and burning up millions of $$ in egregious nonsensical moves.

Posted by: p1funk | April 15, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

And Snyder will continue flipping the bird until he sees any damage to the bottom line $$$$$$$$$$$$

Posted by: az_david | April 15, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

""but you all are nuts to think taking sanchez is a bad idea;
a good quarterback, which sanchez is, masks all your other problems""

Right. When Osi Umenyora or Justin Tuck or Kiwanuka runs through Jon Jansen like a turnstyle and bears down on Sanchez, I'd like to see what he does to "mask" that problem...

...if he's smart he'll curl up on the turf in a little ball and ask himself why the heck he ever left USC...

Posted by: p1funk | April 15, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

moe, were you being serious?

was that a serious question?

yeah, 8 games in, and Theo should panic.

Theo who traded Nomar, and Manny.

Not happening. Best GM in the biz...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 15, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

let's talk about J.C. being Joe Gibbs picks for a minute, how in the world are Dan and his puppet Cerrato gonna draft a QB when they don't know what goes into drafting a Quarterback as far as what makes a franchise Quarteback and what doesn;t what iam saying is that Cerrato and Snyder don't know the difference between franchise QB and none franchise QB and what Snyder is failing to realize here is that Quarterback is one of the hardest positions to figure out and keep somebody there for a decade like the colts,pats and the chargers did.

Posted by: rmnkevorkian | April 15, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

p1funk

'...And are you really expecting "mature" behavior from our FO?'

No, not mature behavior, just a little cleverness and craftiness.

If they really do want Sanchez, why drop hints like silent farts at a crowded dinner table?

Eventually, the smell reveals the trifling desperation and he who dealt it gets treated rudely by he who smelt it. With folks knowing the skins want Sanchez, they know the team could be had as it's advertised its intentions so clumsily.

That's why all of this stinks like it does.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 15, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Its not that SANCHEZ is a bad idea, but you're putting the cart before the horse. The O-line needs retooling and the linebackers sans FLETCHER need a re-do. First things first for cripes sake. CAMPBELL will do fine if given a chance. Problem is he's nor DANNY-boy's anointed one. He's JOE's man, and JOE's gone. Besides there's always MV7 down the road behind closed doors, right VINNIE?.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 15, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/joe_posnanski/04/15/draft/index.html

And even though the draft is now a million times bigger than it was then, even though the ESPN draft show is now a multi-million dollar Disney production with crews on three continents and George Lucas special effects, even though there are more people working now in the draft analysis industry than in newspapers, even though every single player who ever even thought about the NFL has been thoroughly tested, probed, examined, interviewed, interrogated, appraised and Wonderlicked, the story has not really changed. Some players will make it big. Some players will flop. Some drafts will be great. Some drafts will be awful. And there's really no way to tell.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 15, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Give Campbell this last year, and if he fails, get a QB next year, there will be a better crop of talent. It doesn't matter who is back there if they don't have protection and time to throw.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | April 15, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

What's wrong with drafting Sanchez and making him sit.

Let's take a page out of the Eagles book for a minute. They benched Donovan McNabb at halftime. Yeah, there were some hurt feelings but Donovan McNabb played football and made them put Kolb on the shelf.

I'm tired of people marrying themselves to Jason Campbell and having him feel "good". I like the guy and I think he has potential, but if Sanchez is who they say he is, what's wrong with having both?

Posted by: rickyroge | April 15, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

"what Snyder is failing to realize here is that Quarterback is one of the hardest positions to figure out and keep somebody there for a decade like the colts,pats and the chargers did.

Posted by: rmnkevorkian"


honest question, if you knew Sanchez would be a very good starter on your team for as long as you kept him, would you draft him at #13 this year?

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 15, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

beantown

'...were you being serious? was that a serious question? 8 games in, and Theo should panic...'

No, it wasn't a serious question.

I'm just jerking your chain is all.

I think the evil Empire heads your way soon...hide the women, children, and major league ready prospects.

I'm just getting my digs in early.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 15, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Colt BRENNEN for starting Q-back - now.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 15, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

If Snyder were a GM, he'd have a roster of 53 quarterbacks.

This overgrown child should be playing fantasy football, not running an NFL franchise.

Posted by: drischord | April 15, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

c'mon - picking a guy who has made 16 college starts as your potential franchise QB? This is not a totally risk free proposition. Certainly, the 3 stooges corp of receivers from last year's draft had a longer track record than that! So, those of you who suggest that the 'Skins pick Sanchez: Have you given up any pretense of rationality when it comes to selecting players? Or is it just that Sanchez is a USC QB and it feels right to pick him?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | April 15, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

moe,

This is where the "idiot" factor comes into play.

Snyder knows that everyone thinks he is an idiot.

If he's really clever/crafty, then being obvious and clumsy about wanting to grab Sanchez is gonna force someone to call his bluff...

Kind of like the decision that other players are forced to make around a poker table when one dude keeps going "all in" - somtimes with pocket aces, sometimes with off-suit 2 and 7.

Posted by: p1funk | April 15, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

I hope the front office is aware that next year's QB class is gonna be much deeper than this year's....


I mean...they've HAD to consider that, right?


They have to also look at next year while thinking about who to draft this year....right?

Come on, that's just common sense....they DO do that, right?


hrm.......

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 15, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

If Sanchez falls to 13 and we take him it will be a lot easier to stomach then if we get stupid and trade up for him. We need ALL of our picks this year AND next year to replenish our eroding O & D lines and LB/DB corps, and RB...

Posted by: edvar | April 15, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

What do you think would be said if Snyder holds fast and doesn't draft Sanchez? What if they took O-lineman and OLB?

What if Campbell tanks this season?

We'd say...

Snyderatto should have taken Sanchez

Campbell is a "slow", "little bus riding", country boy after the first INT.

No matter what this team does, it will never satisfy...

Posted by: rickyroge | April 15, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

We have a QB already! Get a line in place to give him a chance to execute, why is this so hard for the FO to understand? I don't care who you get to run the offense, if they play behind our current line, we will still be mediocre at best.

Posted by: clark202 | April 15, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

haha, moe, I knew you were. Its all good...

More Sanchez talk.....stir it up....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 15, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

"and the more I think about it and the more I read this stuff, I really think we're trying to get someone to trade up with us."

It may just be me, but if you want to find a trading partner, these are the exact notions that you don't want to put out. Saying "We want Sanchez" tells other teams to trade up AHEAD of the Washington Redskins, not with them. If another team is afraid that Sanchez will be gone by #13, then they'll do everything they can to get #12. I just don't see how showing strong interest with the 13th pick encourages teams to trade with you.

Of course, what they may be doing is ensuring that Sanchez IS taken prior to #13, so that they'll increase they're chances of landing their "dream" guy by 7.7% (1/13).

Hey, I can dream, can't I?

Posted by: psps23 | April 15, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

2010 mock draft :


http://www.nfldraftdog.com/Mock_Drafts/2010%20Mock%20NFL%20Draft.htm


players I would take if the Redskins are in the top 10, in order :


Safety Eric Berry, LOCK FOR BEAST MODE 24/7
DT Terrence Cody
DE George Selvie
DT Gerald McCoy
LB Brandon Spikes
S Taylor Mays
QB Tim Tebow


I hope tebow and Spikes don't end up here.

oh, yall still talking about this year's draft?


WEAKSAUCE FOLKS WEAKSAUCE

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 15, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

I'm tired of people marrying themselves to Jason Campbell and having him feel "good". I like the guy and I think he has potential, but if Sanchez is who they say he is, what's wrong with having both?

Posted by: rickyroge

No one knows what Sanchez is. Peyton? eli? Jeff George, Ryan Leaf? But it will be expensive to find out.

The question' what's wrong with having both?' implies there is little cost associated with picking Sanchez. Which is wrong.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 15, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Guys.....

this is not real!

the only reason why they are playing with this idea is so that, if he is there at #13 the perception would be that we want him

these are the games people play. If he is there at 13, the skins will trade down and the urgency that the situation brings, will land us more picks

Snyder may be dumb... but he's not stupid

Posted by: skinsbacker | April 15, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

What's wrong with drafting Sanchez and making him sit.

Let's take a page out of the Eagles book for a minute. They benched Donovan McNabb at halftime. Yeah, there were some hurt feelings but Donovan McNabb played football and made them put Kolb on the shelf.

I'm tired of people marrying themselves to Jason Campbell and having him feel "good". I like the guy and I think he has potential, but if Sanchez is who they say he is, what's wrong with having both?

Posted by: rickyroge | April 15, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

The Eagles aren't paying Kolb #13 (or higher) money. And they didn't give away extra picks to move up to get him.

No one is "married" to JC17. I think everyone is simply tired of the makeup/scheme/philosophy of this team being radically altered every 2 years, and then having Crap-for-Brains Snyder complain about why the team isn't good, and then he starts throwing away $$ and picks to get his man-crush players on the roster.

JC17 is in a contract year. What's wrong with letting him play out the season, giving him a shot to lead the team in the SAME offense 2 years in a row for once, and then evaluate this QB decision next offseason...


Posted by: p1funk | April 15, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

"We have a QB already! Get a line in place to give him a chance to execute, why is this so hard for the FO to understand? I don't care who you get to run the offense, if they play behind our current line, we will still be mediocre at best.

Posted by: clark202 "


We do have a QB, true, but that QB might be gone after this year.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 15, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

What's wrong with drafting Sanchez and making him sit?

Roge -

What's wrong is that we need to spend the pick building O line dominance. Without that, it won't matter who is back there. The entire O line from last year needs to be replaced between this draft and next years draft. We MIGHT get three more seasons out of Samuels, but the rest are done.

Let's start now with a stud OT opening day starter, 12 year starter, 3-4 pro bowls type guy at #13. That's how you begin rebuilding dominance at O line in the NFC East.

Or we can pick a guy who sits on the bench for a year and we still need O line Beasts...

Posted by: edvar | April 15, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Hey Truth, Tim Tebow is not an NFL QB, unless you plan on converting him into a WR or TE.

Posted by: clark202 | April 15, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

"Snyder may be dumb... but he's not stupid

Posted by: skinsbacker "


LOL

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 15, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

"I hope tebow and Spikes don't end up here."

Don't let your loyalties carry over to the pros...Skins would be lucky to have Spikes.

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 15, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Suddenly I am not looking forward to draft day. Why is it only obvious to fans, media, other teams that our O-Line needs help? Is he really that stupid?

Posted by: FedorEm | April 15, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

We do have a QB, true, but that QB might be gone after this year.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 15, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse
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So weather its JC or another QB next year, don't you want your O-line in tact regardless?

Posted by: clark202 | April 15, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

No matter what this team does, it will never satisfy...

Posted by: rickyroge | April 15, 2009 3:12 PM |

This is true. But the reason it's true is because they dart about randomly like a laboratory mouse making his first trip through a maze.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 15, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

"Hey Truth, Tim Tebow is not an NFL QB, unless you plan on converting him into a WR or TE.

Posted by: clark202 "

I'm no Tebow fan, but I'll reserve judging the guy's NFL QB skills until I see him fail. The guy is a winner and a competitor and sometimes that is more important than having a throwing motion that is pleasant to the eyes.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 15, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Can Dan Snyder stay the F out of football decisions? Then again can Vinny stay the F out of football decsions? Unless the trade the 13th pick and Larry Michael to move up and get Sanchez. I wish we had a real organization.

Posted by: jcmanuel25 | April 15, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

I get the smokescreen stuff and sure, why not. Except is unlikely that Sanchez is there at #13 anyway. If you want to smokescreen, talk up guys that aren't gone in the top 8-10 range.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 15, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

No matter what this team does, it will never satisfy...

Posted by: rickyroge | April 15, 2009 3:12 PM |


WRONG.

If we take one of the top 4 tackles at #13. Or trade down and stock up on some O-linemen/DEnds/LBs, then I will be satisfied going into the season.

Posted by: p1funk | April 15, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

The fact that our D is making fun of how bad the O line is at Cooley's event says it all.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 15, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

yessir Truth

thank you

never a bad thing to have good players at the most important position. i don't buy the "if you have 2 qb's you have 0 b.s. (how'd kilmer and sonny work out...)

If Campbell works out, then great, we can flip Sanchez or Campbell for better value in the future. If campbell doesn't work out then you've got an unvarnished Blue Chip talent who only ever worked under the QB maestro. tell me again why that's a bad thing.
Obviously O-lineman are important but you can find/develop those in later rounds ala Montgomery, Golston, Heyer, Geiser, even Jansen and Rabach were 2nd and 3rd rounders. I like the LB's out of SC too though, but when a quality QB comes out and QB's in that spot have done well historically, then I say pull the trigger; besides let's see how Campbell performs with a little competition...

Posted by: jbrady84 | April 15, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

I'm no Tebow fan, but I'll reserve judging the guy's NFL QB skills until I see him fail. The guy is a winner and a competitor and sometimes that is more important than having a throwing motion that is pleasant to the eyes.
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Don't worry, if a team is crazy enough to make him a QB in the NFL, it will be for only one preseason football game. I can see that curl in the seam or out to the flat being returned for a touchdown the other way right now. LOL. :-)

Posted by: clark202 | April 15, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

"Picking QBs at the top of the draft is the equivalent of a 'bad shot'. Sometimes it will work. But the washout rate is about 50% on ABs picked in the top 5. That is much too high a price to pay"

Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. If you don't buy a ticket, you don't win the lottery.

Of course, you don't lose it, either.

If Matt Stafford goes to Detroit and turns out to be an All-Pro, you're going to look wrong. Your calculations won't have changed, the success rate will still be exactly the same, but Detroit's GM will look really, really smart.

If he busts, hey, the GM's gone anyway.

You can certainly argue that the guy who drafts a QB in the top 5 is a risk-taker. No question there.

But the guy who uses his choice to grab Peyton Manning is a genius.

Get used to it.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 15, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

No matter what this team does, it will never satisfy...

Posted by: rickyroge | April 15, 2009 3:12 PM |

I disagree. Give us fans some credit. I think a lot of people would be very pleased to see a focussed, measured approach to the draft that addresses the teams needs and builds a solid core foundation for the future - instead of constantly chasing off season headlines.

That would be VERY satisfying.

Posted by: edvar | April 15, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

"So weather its JC or another QB next year, don't you want your O-line in tact regardless?

Posted by: clark202 "

well I'd rather have the best OT in the draft than Sanchez, but if it comes down to reaching for the 5th best OT in the draft, which is very possible, why not take what could possibly be the best QB in the draft?

After Jason Smith, Andre Smith, and Eugene Monroe, I've heard questions. I've heard some say Oher kinda got lumped in with them. I wouldn't mind Oher, but people just aren't sold on the guy, and the perception that this is an OT rich draft might be what's keeping his stock up.

Sanchez is at the worst the 2nd best QB in the draft, and I've heard people are more excited about him than Stafford. It is what it is.

I'm almost always against trading up, just in general. Take what you can get and keep your picks. If Sanchez falls to #13 and those top 3 OTs are gone, I think it would be a decent pick. Good linebackers can be found with our third rounder, and DE/DT, I'm not really too sold on most of the DE's, other than Ayers. DT would be okay but I don't know if it's really a need right now either.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 15, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

note, i know that golston and monty are d-linemen, just making the point that you have to draft linemen, just don't all have to be 1 rnders...

Posted by: jbrady84 | April 15, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

meant to add that if Andre Smith is available at #13 and we pass on him, that's a huge mistake. I still think he'll be the best out of all the OT's this year and maybe the best player in the draft period.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 15, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

No matter what this team does, it will never satisfy...

Complete disagreement. We were 8-8 last year and most players on this team are old and not going to get better or just not that good. To be good this year we are banking on 3 receivers who showed nothing, players like Chris Samuels, London Fletcher, and Clinton Portis to keep their top skill level as the past. And guys like Antwan Randle El, Andre Carter, Rocky McIntosh to suddenly become very good players. I love the Skins, but this team has 4-12 written all over it, Haynesworth or no Haynesworth.

Posted by: jcmanuel25 | April 15, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Lets draft Pepe Sanchez. He was a solid point guard. That must translate into being an all pro QB.

Sincerely
Dicklick Snyder

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | April 15, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

well I'd rather have the best OT in the draft than Sanchez, but if it comes down to reaching for the 5th best OT in the draft, which is very possible, why not take what could possibly be the best QB in the draft?

After Jason Smith, Andre Smith, and Eugene Monroe, I've heard questions. I've heard some say Oher kinda got lumped in with them. I wouldn't mind Oher, but people just aren't sold on the guy, and the perception that this is an OT rich draft might be what's keeping his stock up.

Sanchez is at the worst the 2nd best QB in the draft, and I've heard people are more excited about him than Stafford. It is what it is.

I'm almost always against trading up, just in general. Take what you can get and keep your picks. If Sanchez falls to #13 and those top 3 OTs are gone, I think it would be a decent pick. Good linebackers can be found with our third rounder, and DE/DT, I'm not really too sold on most of the DE's, other than Ayers. DT would be okay but I don't know if it's really a need right now either.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 15, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

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OK, fair enough. Next year's draft is not rich in OTs, however there are more QBs available in 2010. You pick Sanchez and I guarantee he'll be doing the same thing JC does, run for his life when the ball is snapped. You use the draft to fix the parts that need the most immediate attention. What ever OT is left at 13th is still better than what we currently have. You use the draft to build your team, not to gamble, only to have to rebuild a year or two later.

Posted by: clark202 | April 15, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

I couldn't wait to the weekend, had a Maisels last night. Mmmm mmmm good.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | April 15, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

yessir Truth

thank you

never a bad thing to have good players at the most important position. i don't buy the "if you have 2 qb's you have 0 b.s. (how'd kilmer and sonny work out...)

If Campbell works out, then great, we can flip Sanchez or Campbell for better value in the future. If campbell doesn't work out then you've got an unvarnished Blue Chip talent who only ever worked under the QB maestro. tell me again why that's a bad thing.
Obviously O-lineman are important but you can find/develop those in later rounds ala Montgomery, Golston, Heyer, Geiser, even Jansen and Rabach were 2nd and 3rd rounders. I like the LB's out of SC too though, but when a quality QB comes out and QB's in that spot have done well historically, then I say pull the trigger; besides let's see how Campbell performs with a little competition...

Posted by: jbrady84 | April 15, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse


Agreeing with Truth is a true sign of idiocy.

Look. If we could just create a roster spot out of thin air and get Sanchez on the team for nothing, of course it would be a good move.

The reason why drafting Sanchez at #13 or higher is DUMB is because of how expensive it will be both $$ and picks-wise.

Let's say we get Sanchez by trading up (which is what we'd have to do). We go into the year with Campbell as our starter and Sanchez as the backup.

Scenario #1 - Campbell plays well and leads this team into the playoffs. We would HAVE to re-sign him to an extension, right? How do you let a player you drafted and developed who has learned your offense and led your team to the playoffs walk? So then what do we do with Sanchez? Trade him? To whom? For what? He's no proven commodity and his stock value could only go down following draft day. We'd never get back what we paid for him to begin with.

So, the only reason this pick would make sense is if you EXPECT Campbell to tank this season. But if you EXPECT that to happen, than why would you go into the season with him as your starting QB? You would not.

So you draft Sanchez and bench/get rid of Campbell. Problem is that you have just started over with your team with a young QB who needs to learn the pro-game and a new offense all at once behind a crappy O-line and mediocre receiving corps.

Can you stomach this scenario and a couple more 6 win seasons, when all along JC17 could have very well taken a step forward with the team and things could have clicked?

Or you can go "all-in" on the "Snyder Scenario": We draft Mark Sanchez and he is the 2nd Coming of Tom Brady in his prime right off the bat.

The problem with this team is that we are forced to buy-in to the Snyder Scenarios all too often.

Posted by: p1funk | April 15, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

"Snyder may be dumb... but he's not stupid

Posted by: skinsbacker "


Really, I think he may be stupid but not dumb

Posted by: Tyler84101 | April 15, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Lets draft Pepe Sanchez. He was a solid point guard. That must translate into being an all pro QB.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | April 15, 2009 3:35 PM |

Hey, Green Bay brought in Greg Paulos from Duke. He chose a roundball scholarship from Duke instead of a QB football scholarship from Notre Dame. In retrospect, he probably made the wrong choice, but Green Bay might give him a second chance.

Personally, like you, I'd rather see Snyder take Paulos in the seventh round than Sanchez in the first.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 15, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

If the Redskins take Sanchez, what kind of a message is that sending to Colt Brennan?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 15, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Agreed that passing on Andre Smith would be a mistake, but I am worried when some are already thinking he will end up as a Guard.

Posted by: jcmanuel25 | April 15, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

If the Redskins take Sanchez, what kind of a message is that sending to Colt Brennan?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 15, 2009 3:41 PM

That's funny.

Posted by: edvar | April 15, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

If the Redskins take Sanchez, what kind of a message is that sending to Colt Brennan?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 15, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse


The message it would send is that we think Colt Brennan was (yet another) wasted pick.

Posted by: p1funk | April 15, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

'...More Sanchez talk.....stir it up....'

I'd prefer not to.

If you slip in the word 'cutler' as a substitute for the word 'sanchez' in every post where it's used today, you'd get all of the jibba-jabba from about two weeks ago all over again.

Same ol', same ol', same ol' chatta.


pick'em:

Select the post-40s Cougar worth the trouble:

Demi Moore
Sharon Stone
Vanessa Williams
Janet Jackson
Wilma Flintstone
Madonna
Fiona Shrek (not the ogre chick)
Kim Catrall
Marge Simpson
Oprah Winfrey (see ogre chick from above)
Sela Ward

.....naw, I'd ruther have the trouble!

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 15, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

It says to Colt, we think we sold all the Colt Brennan Jerseys we think we can.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 15, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Here's another issue with drafting Sanchez. If JC17 is shown the door after this year for not performing well, don't you think Zorn is shown the door also?

Now you have to find another head coach and offensive coordinator who thinks he can win with Sanchez (who has to learn another system) instead of having that new guy having input in to selecting his own QB in what is supposed to be a stronger QB class in 2010.

Posted by: jesuisunpizza | April 15, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

How can Snyder ignore the poll that shows 92% of us RI regulars are against this move? Once he reads the poll results, he will turn his attention elsewhere.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 15, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

I honestly dont think Synder cares about our opinion though it would be great if he did. He is a selfish, thickheaded 3 year old with a power trip. If his minds made up, we just have to live with it. Can an owner be thrown out of power by the fans?

Posted by: erleach | April 15, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

The message the team is sending to Colt are that both players can be good friends since they are both from Orange County, approx 3 miles apart from each others homes.

Posted by: Tyler84101 | April 15, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

skins needs: gm, qb, head coach.

so yeah i'll be happy if they drafted another qb. cuz i'm telling you no one is buying tickets to see zorny and jc. there is no waitlist. you don't believe me call their ticket office.

Posted by: dealer1 | April 15, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | April 15, 2009 3:38 PM

The Chargers did it with Brees/Rivers. I don't see us being anywhere near as successful. That is probably a 1 in 1000 lucky hit. It's more likely that Campbell will suck again with a garbage OL and then Sanchez will suck too. Years of suckiness and mediocrity will be the norm till Snyder or us pass on. If anyone ever sees him crossing the street, speed up. Seriously.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | April 15, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Reality is that Snyder will pick the QB if he's available because he doesn't see JC as the long-term answer at QB. Actually filling gaping holes on the O-Line or SLB are far too simple of picks for Snyder to make. He's probably already planning on how to talk Pete Carroll into coaching the Redskins after he gets rid of Zorn after this season.

Posted by: wizfan89 | April 15, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Can someone please stop the presses The Washington Redskins don't need to draft Mark Sanchez. Why ?
1) You have a QB
2) Drafting a QB could set the Franchise back a few years
3) Drafting Sanchez and giving up future draft picks that you don't have
4) The Redskins have BIGGER HOLES to fill ie O-line,D-line Linebacker depth at corner and safety.
If this does falls the way it says may be it's time to find and root for a NFL Team with stability Joe Gibbs brought that here and now Dan and Vinny want to destroy that.
Too bad they can't be class acts like Jason Campbell.

Posted by: donaldtaylor | April 15, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

I think the smart move is to draft a QB so there will be a decent training camp competition. However, I would wait till Sunday & draft Chase Daniel to compete with Colt for 3rd string. That way we can draft OT at 13 & Colt will improve enough to start in 2010 after JC gets traded to Carolina for a 7th rd pick & a pound of BBQ.

Posted by: will_ga | April 15, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

If anyone ever sees him crossing the street, speed up. Seriously.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 *****

I'd be surprised if the haven't knocked your doors down and arrested you by now. You better be careful what you write. Big brother is always watching.........listening.......waiting

Posted by: lsskinsfan | April 15, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

I still feel that Dan Snyder is trying to pull a Major League (the movie.) Screw this team up so bad that he turns all fans against the team. Then when its rock bottom move the team to LA so he can be with his best pal Tom Cruise.

Posted by: jcmanuel25 | April 15, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Sela Ward hands down

Posted by: skinswest | April 15, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Agreed that passing on Andre Smith would be a mistake, but I am worried when some are already thinking he will end up as a Guard.

Posted by: jcmanuel25 | April 15, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse
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Hey, we could use a guard or two. If Smith is made into a guard its because he's somewhat of a head case, not because of talent. But I'd take him in either position. He's younger than Randy Thomas and is better than Heyer at guard.

Posted by: clark202 | April 15, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

pfunk

you're late to the game genius; these posts were in reference to getting sanchez at 13 on my earliest post i already stated that trading up is a mistake because the skins historically overpay
picking him up at 13 costs nothing picks-wise.
money-wise snyder and cerrato either have that cap money allocated or have planned on trading out the entire time b/c they don't have the loot, problem is obviously you haven't paid attention to SnyderCo recently; money is no object

as far as rebuilding, you got to read and not react first. carry 2 qb's, if one tanks you've got the other, if one does well trade the other, but you carry 2 for the year and drop collins.

you weren't expecting a superbowl run this year were you?

Posted by: jbrady84 | April 15, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

While Sanchez could turn into a really good quarterback in a few years, it's foolish to jump into that without have an offensive line in front of him. A solid QB changes teams almost every year, or is at least available:
2003 - Jake Plummer
2004 - Garcia, Warner, Testeverde
2005 - Bledsoe, Garcia, Testeverde
2006 - Brees, K.Collins, Kitna
2007 - Matt Schaub
2008 - Leftwich, T. Collins
2009 - Cutler in a trade. Leftwich...

Once you have a team built, you sign a QB if you're unhappy with who you have and THEN draft a QB early in the draft, or trade up to do so (every year, teams try to trade down). David Carr had all the tools to be a great quarterback, but not the team.

Posted by: showell81 | April 15, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

No idea who Sela Ward is, I'm going with Vanessa Williams.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 15, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Sanchez interest is a smoke screen to get some picks so that another team can trade up and get him.

Posted by: h20law2000 | April 15, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Upgrade the dam O-line in the draft. Get a DE and OLB and a OG/C. Let JC operate behind an upgraded O-line and in the same system for another year. Kick those sophmore receivers in the a%# and get them on the field making plays. Stop all of this stupid crap and get your lines straight!!

Posted by: 72Redskins | April 15, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

72Redskins, you're my hero!

Posted by: clark202 | April 15, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

"Agreeing with Truth is a true sign of idiocy.

Posted by: p1funk"

And the rest of your post did nothing to disagree with mine.

I never said it would be great to trade up to get Sanchez. I've said that OT would be the smart pick along with DT, DE, LB, and maybe RB and WR before taking a QB with #13, but I've said if we DO draft Sanchez, I won't be too upset with it.

Suck my butt, loser. You probably agree with that, so you're an idiot according to your own statement.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 15, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: skinfanman | April 15, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Why does drafting Sanchez spell the end of JC? Isn't it possible that both JC and Sanchez would be starters in some new offense that Dan Snyder, moving from GM to Coach, is working out on legal pads?

Miami uses the Wildcat offense, so Snyder could tie-in with Johnny Rocket's and call his the Hep Cat. Of course, the way Zorn calls plays, it would turn into the Mildcat or the Pussy Cat.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 15, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Relax everyone. I have a reliable source that tells me Snyder ran this Sanchez move past the front offices with 3 other organizations who told him it was golden... Granted those organizations were Detroit, Oakland and Dallas.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 15, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

"JC gets traded to Carolina for a 7th rd pick & a pound of BBQ.

Posted by: will_ga"


+1 for admitting that (South) Carolina BBQ > all.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 15, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

and this has nothing to do with anything


but jesus christ yall might as well breastfeed JC with the way yall cry about something not being fair to him. Wahhh.

and just so yall don't misunderstand me, JC should be our starting QB this year regardless.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 15, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

You can certainly argue that the guy who drafts a QB in the top 5 is a risk-taker. No question there.

But the guy who uses his choice to grab Peyton Manning is a genius.

Get used to it.

Posted by: Samson151

Thing is, the Skins have a good QB -- zero risk. And there is lost opportunity in a messed up pick. No one is going to look like Peyton behind this OL and these WRs.

For that matter, who has said Sanchez is the next Peyton?

Get Curry and the upgrade at OLB is huge. Get Smith and the potential upgrade at OT is huge. Get Sanchez ... less than a 50/50 chance he's better than JC, plus he won't have the talent around him to succeed anyway.

It makes no sense

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 15, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Anyway, I think Oher is amazing but after reading "The Blind Side", I'm worried he might have some sort of learning disability. He has difficulty reading/learning playbooks on his own and he's known to have struggled with learning assignments & blitz pickups/adjustments.

Now, I'm sure he's overcome most of these issues but his transition to the NFL might be a lot more difficult than most tackles. That being said, I love the guy and think he's got the skills, tools, and character to get it done~ ******

This was on youtube, not sure of it's valdidty. Anyone out there know about him having a learning disability?

Posted by: lsskinsfan | April 15, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Why go out and sign Albert Haynesworth to an astronomical deal if you are going to jettison Campbell and draft a rookie and start over again on offense?

This doesn't make any sense.

By the time Sanchez acclimates to the NFL and is ready to lead a team to the postseason Haynesworth will be way past his prime.

Ditto for Moss, Portis, Cooley, etc.

Given the age of the current roster this move just doesn't make sense.

Hopefully it is just all smoke.

Posted by: leopard09 | April 15, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

You heard it here first...Sanchez is going to Seattle...skins FO is just blowing hot air

Posted by: buddiee22 | April 15, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

If they pick, Sanchez 1st and then Toler 3rd, it'll just prove to me that the front office is becoming more stupid.

Posted by: cmecyclist | April 15, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

BROMAN: "...Campbell is not very good. He had the same offensive line from beginning to end with minimal changes an still could not get us to the playoffs.

REALLY??? The Skins have been banged up along the offensive line on and off for at least 5 years. Has there been 5 games in a row where the same 5 have been in there together in 5 years??

Cutler wouldn't have been a Pro Bowl QB behind our O-line and against the defenses the Skins played last year.

Campbell does need to learn to stop throwing behind receivers, but neither Manning bro., Brees, Brady, Romo or even McNaab (anymore) can pull it down and run like Campbell when needed.

Redskins To-Do List:
1. BUILD THE O-LINE!!
2. FILL OTHER DEF HOLES
3. GIVE CAMPBELL THE BALL!!

P.S. I don't want to hear the Colt Brennan talk start either, but to his credit Colt did more with less talent around him than Sanchez did at USC. However stop talking about getting a new QB, we have one!!!

P.P.S. Although if they pick up Mike Vick on the cheap I'd like to see that back-up get some reps!! He's gotta be rested by now.

P.P.P.S. Why not get Plaxico too while we're selling our souls!! I'd pay to watch that team!!

Posted by: mrlowery1 | April 15, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

"This was on youtube, not sure of it's valdidty. Anyone out there know about him having a learning disability?

Posted by: lsskinsfan"

Seemed like it from the book. I read it about 3 months ago I think. Honestly I don't know if it was a learning disability or, and I feel bad saying this, but it could've been that he's just stupid.

He has a pretty good personality, just shy and keeps to himself if he doesn't know you, but he definitely struggled in high-school.

Thing is, that book was mostly about his high-school. He did pretty well in college, so that either means football players were treated differently or it all clicked for 'em.

He's a good dude with great talent. Dude can play basketball like a PG. He's the modern day prototypical LT. NFL scouts were watching him in high-school. I don't think he'll have much trouble with the learning process in the NFL.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 15, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Sela Ward, Vanessa Williams -- apparently neither of them know I exist. And fwiw, they aren't cougars to me. Because I'm older than they are.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 15, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

+1 for admitting that (South) Carolina BBQ > all.
Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 15, 2009 4:06 PM |

I was actually referring to vinegary, tangy Eastern North Carolina bbq not that pig poo & vomit slurry that they serve in SC.

Posted by: will_ga | April 15, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

pick'em:

Select the post-40s Cougar worth the trouble:

Demi Moore
Sharon Stone
Vanessa Williams
Janet Jackson
Wilma Flintstone
Madonna
Fiona Shrek (not the ogre chick)
Kim Catrall
Marge Simpson
Oprah Winfrey (see ogre chick from above)
Sela Ward


.....naw, I'd ruther have the trouble!

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 15, 2009 3:43 PM

-------------------------

You see, this is the type of chatter I dig when there isn't sh*t worth discussing besides "How stupid would it be to take Sanchez." Like the homie said, Change 'Cutler' with 'Sanchez', and it's just the same b freakin' s.

So...

I'm going with one of the top 5 boy crushes, Janet Jackson.

Somewhere I still have that poster with the dude covering her Ta-Ta's.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 15, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

gimme Marge Simpson please

I heart blue hair.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 15, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

what about Lois Griffin?

Posted by: RedDMV | April 15, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

sharon stone looks like she'd be more fun in the sack to me, like almost anything goes kinda girl....

Posted by: lsskinsfan | April 15, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

red, way, way, WAY too much crazy in that girl.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 15, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

If they pick, Sanchez 1st and then Toler 3rd, it'll just prove to me that the front office is becoming more stupid.

Posted by: cmecyclist | April 15, 2009 4:13 PM

More stupid than what? Trading for TJ Duckett? Trying to trade for Chad Johnson? Taking three ineffective receivers in the second round? Trying to trade for Jay Cutler?

This actually doesn't look too bad when you compare it to some earlier bone-headed moves.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 15, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

It all seems very hypothetical.

The FO has to be prepared to trade up or down on draft day (I don't see them trading up very far for salary cap reasons).

The strategy is to take the best available player, which when you think about it, really means taking the least risky player. Because the real goal is to avoid drafting a bust. If need is aligned with the draft board that's great, if not, so be it. Make the best risk adjusted pick.

So what about Sanchez? If he drops to #13 that probably means he's the best available player.

What about a hypothetical choice between Andre Smith or Sanchez? Now that would be tough, because there are a few yellow flags on Smith, but I think I would take him.

Of course it's hard to imagine either one of those players dropping to #13, so having a choice is almost out of the question.

The downside to picking Sanchez is what it says to Campbell, who I believe will have a break out year.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 15, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

OK guys - Since we are all GM's on this blog, let's put our cards on the table.

Assuming we choose in the slots we already have and do not move up or down, what does your draft card look like?

Here's mine:

1st pick: OT Andre Smith 6-4 332 Alabama

3rd pick: LB Cody Brown 6-2 244 Conn.

5th round: G Greg Isdaner 6-3 325 West VA.

6th round: prospect - CB/ST Ladarius Web 5-10 180 (4.35 40 speed)

7th round: prospect - WR Greg Carr 6-6 218 FSU

There... that should cause endless debate.

Have fun.

Posted by: edvar | April 15, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

The downside to picking Sanchez is what it says to Campbell, who I believe will have a break out year.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 15, 2009 4:24 PM

This would the the FO's dream scenario -- the Drew Brees/Phillip Rivers dilemma.

Anyway, sending a message to Campbell is beside the point. He's already gotten the message. Now he's working on the break out year.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 15, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

QBs drafted by the Skins since 1990:

Cary Conklin 4th round
Chris Hakel 4th
Gus Frerrotte 7th
Heath Shuler 1st
Todd Husak 6th
Sage Rosenfels 4th
Patrick Ramsey 1st
Gibran Hamdan 7th
Jason Campbell 1st
Jordan Palmer 6th
Colt Brennan 6th


Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 15, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

what edvar said.......

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 15, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Suck my butt, loser. You probably agree with that, so you're an idiot according to your own statement.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 15, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse
made me LOL

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 15, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

bean, crazy in who? Janet Jackson or Lois Griffin?

Either way, I likes a little crazy. Like Lindsay Lohan crazy, not Lorena Bobbit crazy.

I don't know, Janet has this quiet side, but you can tell she is very, very "cougar" with it though.

She's so sensual, as a pre-teen and early teen, I appreciated that. A lot.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 15, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

bean, crazy in who? Janet Jackson or Lois Griffin?

Either way, I likes a little crazy. Like Lindsay Lohan crazy, not Lorena Bobbit crazy.

I don't know, Janet has this quiet side, but you can tell she is very, very "cougar" with it though.

She's so sensual, as a pre-teen and early teen, I appreciated that. A lot.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 15, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Wow, Anderson Cooper broke out a "teabagging" insult. Pot meet kettle- kettle-pot.

Posted by: will_ga | April 15, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

red, JJackson crazy....look at her family...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | April 15, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Campbell has already got the message.

So if Campbell doesn't have a break out year, you look like a genius for picking Sanchez.

If Campbell does have a break out year, you either have to rain money on him to keep him here or let him walk and play Sanchez.

But you can't expect Campbell to want to stay.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 15, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

April 2008 on this board:

Zeke: trade the picks for Anquan Boldin
Majority response: Keep the picks, Zeke, you don't have a clue
Result: we get Kelly, Davis and Thomas. Boldin plays in the Pro Bowl and Super Bowl

April 2009 on this board:

Zeke: trade up for Aaron Curry
Majority response: Don't trade the picks
Result: Curry is a stud, Skins' picks don't work out

April 2010 on this board:
Zeke: here's my suggestion ...
Majority response: I hate Zeke

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 15, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

If I'm running the Skins at 13 my preferences are
Orakpo (some say he'd be available, though I doubt it)
then Maualuga (start him at outside for a year or 2 then move him to middle)
then Sanchez (for reasons stated previously)
if none of these guys are available then continue to trade down and out of 1st round gathering 2nds 3rds and 4ths along the way to truly build the lines and lb corp, also throw in a cb like that burner from the dIII everyone's been talking about, toler, or the kid out of Vandi

Posted by: jbrady84 | April 15, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

I think we can get by with campbell or collins this season and look at QB in next years draft. If Dan wants to move up in the draft get Okapro not a mostly unproven QB.

Posted by: jpowell4 | April 15, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

can we please use the 13 pick for a trade down to get more pics or for someone to make impact this year not when QB roullette stops on either Colt or Mark 1 -2 years from now fix OL or it wont matter whose back there

Posted by: chris_c_19960 | April 15, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Wait Zeke, are you suggesting that we trade up for Curry?

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 15, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

JASON CAMPBELL WAS NOT THE PROBLEM LAST YEAR, THE OL AND DL WAS THE PROBLEM!!!!

Dumb A$$ Danny the little #%$ cannot be this freaking stupid to draft a rookie QB when our team has a decent shot at being solid this year. We dont need another rookie quarterback!!! Draft DE, OT or LB!!!!!

Posted by: BarackObama | April 15, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

haha, yeah Janet's sister and brother (1) is a little nuts.

I guess it started when Joe Jackson used to beat Tito with the switch for not saving his brother's any syrup.

The only other two head cases I know of is LaToya (Wonder what she's looking like these days), and of course the King of "What the Fock", Micheal Jackson.

Posted by: RedDMV | April 15, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

trade down for 2 2nd rounders

trade both of those for 2 3rd rounders each

then we have 5 3rd rounders

trade all those for 2 4th rounders each

then we have 8 4th rounders

trade all those for 5th rounders

then we have 16 5th round picks

trade all those for 2 6th rounders each

then we have 32 6th rounders


we can OWN the 6th round people

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 15, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Snyder knows what he is doing.

You guys need to kill the messenger.

The Skins will draft the best player on the board.

Posted by: skinsbacker | April 15, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

I'm taking Janet - say what you will that sista is FINE

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 15, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

1. "USC's Mark Sanchez has become the hot target inside Redskins Park, according to sources." Hmmmm, "sources". Hangin' with Kiper again, Jason?
2. Gotta go with Sela...still babe-a-licious!
3. New workout for Suisham: practice on Snyder's 'nads for leg strength (if they pick Sanchez).
4. Being a forty (plus) years fan of the Redskins, I've become, oh, let's say, "disenchanted" with the BS coming out of the FO. If these dip weasels would open their eyes for ten frakin' seconds, they'd see that we're a "few" pieces away!

Get an OT! Get an OLB! Get a DE! Then NEXT year (if Campbell still hasn't found his groove) go after a QB (or start Brennan). Then pick up a RB, CB and more OL.

I'm sick of this nickel & dime, fantasy football crud! This is a PRO TEAM! MY TEAM! The FAN's TEAM! You "own" it Snyder Beeotch, but the team belongs to US! Over the years, through all the highs and lows, we've paid for it with blood, sweat and tears. All the while, padding the pockets of Napoleonic little owners like you, in the hopes that you'll come to your senses (that, of course, would insinuate that you HAVE sense) and field a legitimate product for the consumer (that's US, butt-munch) that's worthy of our admiration and hard-earned money. Catch a clue, pull your head out of your Cerrato and do what's RIGHT for the team...not what YOU think is popular.

The soapbox is clear...Triplz has left the building...

Posted by: tripz | April 15, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

we can OWN the 6th round people

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 15, 2009 4:45 PM |

That is AWESOME!

Posted by: edvar | April 15, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

It all seems very hypothetical.


Posted by: _Stumped_

This entire board, perfectly summed up

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 15, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

pull your head out of your Cerrato

Posted by: tripz

Funniest thing ever on this blog

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 15, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

LETS FIRE SNYDER!!!!

Posted by: BarackObama | April 15, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

peace peeps until tomorrow same bat channel same bat station

Posted by: Hail2theChief | April 15, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

"Agreeing with Truth is a true sign of idiocy.

Posted by: p1funk"

And the rest of your post did nothing to disagree with mine.

I never said it would be great to trade up to get Sanchez. I've said that OT would be the smart pick along with DT, DE, LB, and maybe RB and WR before taking a QB with #13, but I've said if we DO draft Sanchez, I won't be too upset with it.

Suck my butt, loser. You probably agree with that, so you're an idiot according to your own statement.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 15, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse


Funny how you've not tried to argue the central point which is that you are actually an idiot.

And no, I wouldn't agree with that. If we draft Sanchez, I think it's dumb, and I would be upset with that.

Posted by: p1funk | April 15, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

I just want to know....
a) How many Redskins season ticket holders here?
or Redskins TV watching fans?
If you don't like what the owner decide for the team, please let me know season ticket holders. I'm ready to buy them. :)

Posted by: skinsMill | April 15, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

just want to know....
a) How many Redskins season ticket holders here?
or Redskins TV watching fans?
If you don't like what the owner decide for the team, please let me know season ticket holders. I'm ready to buy them. :)

Posted by: skinsMill |

You must not have checked out Stub Hub and craigslist. lots of tickes sold way below face value, dumb a$$

P.S. I really like the pull your head out of your CERRATO....

Posted by: BarackObama | April 15, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Red that poster is circa 1994. Fifteen years and a few twinkies have smudged that image.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | April 15, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

"What is JC doesn't work out? Then what do we have?"

We have our first rounder next year, in a QB-laden draft. Getting one this year is the equivalent of premature ejaculation.

Posted by: mrsaun | April 15, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

And if JC does not work out, are we really inclined to replace him with a QB fresh from the draft?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | April 15, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Getting one this year is the equivalent of premature ejaculation.

Posted by: mrsaun | April 15, 2009 5:06 PM

Bad example. For rich guys this is not a bad thing because it's never held against them.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | April 15, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

More stupid than what? Trading for TJ Duckett? Trying to trade for Chad Johnson? Taking three ineffective receivers in the second round? Trying to trade for Jay Cutler?

This actually doesn't look too bad when you compare it to some earlier bone-headed moves.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 15, 2009

TE would be right except that _stumped_ is probably right too ...

The downside to picking Sanchez is what it says to Campbell, who I believe will have a break out year.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 15, 2009

and so should they draft Sanchez and Campbell still somehow manages to have that breakout year and thumbs his nose at this team the way Trent Green when they ask him to stay ...

it would then indeed end up being one of the more ludicrous moves by this owner ...

Posted by: periculum | April 15, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 15, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

This is The Governor. It has been about a year since I last posted. It has been that long because the Skins have become so difficult to root for. They are simply one of the top 5 worst organizations in the NFL. When we win the Super Bowl, it will be so anti-climactic and we're all going to be like, "How much did this Super Bowl cost us?" and "It just doesn't feel as great as I thought it would."

I hated the Haynesworth deal. I weirdly liked the Cutler deal because I thought he was a good fit in DC's offense but the alienation of Campbell was a terrible price to pay. Regardless of what happens this year, we will be back to square one next year. Mike Shanahan will be our head coach. Campbell will not be our QB. London Fletcher will probably be gone.

This news about Mark Sanchez is so disappointing. The fact that they have fallen in love with him is just so Redskins. I actually like Sanchez and think he will be a solid pro. I like his drive, skills, and the fact that he played at a solid program. But he's a 3 year project. That is my belief.

I was a huge, huge Campbell fan. I thought he was the answer. Then last year's second half came. I think he's lost his confidence and he's regressed. You can blame who you want but the end result is a 28 year old QB who still doesn't have the fearlessness you need from an elite QB to take you to the promised land.

I still think, though, you give him another year if you don't get that Cutler deal done. And now to the point of my comment: we must draft Michael Oher. We absolutely must. I just finished reading The Blind Side by Michael Lewis and he is just such a special kid with such talent. This is the type of person I want to play for the Redskins. He is exactly the type of player you build teams around. He is a legit probowl prospect and is a huge need for us with that bama Jon Jansen currently our starter at right tackle.

If you haven't read the book, you need to read it and you will fall in love with Michael Oher. Plus, he should be there, or close to there, at pick #13. When Samuels gets old, you can switch them up. It just makes too much sense. The Smiths will be gone. So will Eugene Monroe. Oher should be right there for the taking. Huge hands, long arms, 350. It would be stupid for us not to take this kid and instead trade for Sanchez.

If for some reason, we go with neither and the other tackles aren't there, Maybin is my next favorite.

But we need Michael Oher.

The Governor and the Glover Park Crew out.

Posted by: songofroland | April 15, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

pull your head out of your Cerrato
Posted by: tripz

No, I think its pull your Kiper out of your Cerrato ...

Posted by: periculum | April 15, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

pull your head out of your Cerrato
Posted by: tripz

No, I think its pull your Kiper out of your Cerrato ...

Posted by: periculum

Peri -- its always a mistake to mess with perfection,

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 15, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the comments, zcezcest1.

Posted by: tripz | April 15, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Miami uses the Wildcat offense, so Snyder could tie-in with Johnny Rocket's and call his the Hep Cat. Of course, the way Zorn calls plays, it would turn into the Mildcat or the Pussy Cat.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 15, 2009

This is better ... kind of like Internet "Zorn".

Posted by: periculum | April 15, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Wait Zeke, are you suggesting that we trade up for Curry?

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 15, 2009

It makes more sense. Wonder how much longer Rocky McIntosh has with his knees? If Wilson pans out and you have Curry?

Posted by: periculum | April 15, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone noticed espn keeps showing the same two highlights of sanchez? They say hes good at reading defenses because on one play he throws to his wide open second reciever. Wow he must be brilliant to do that!! Dude doesn't look like he has much arm strenght and played on the best college program of the past few years. I think he will be a bust. Give JC one more year and if he and zorn can't get to the playoffs let the new coach pick a QB in the draft next year

Posted by: DG28 | April 15, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

I heard there will be a real good kicker on the board at 13. If so snyder transition to al davis will be complete ala janikowski. Oh wait davis at least brought them one title

Posted by: DG28 | April 15, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Sanchez, Toler On Redskins’ Radar
Posted by Aaron Wilson on April 15, 2009, 4:26

PFT is really starting to get lame.

Posted by: will_ga | April 15, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Sanchez, Toler On Redskins’ Radar
Posted by Aaron Wilson on April 15, 2009, 4:26

PFT is really starting to get lame.

Posted by: will_ga | April 15, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Snyder has graduated from a puerile obsession with having a "name" coach (Schot, Spur, Gibbs) to a much more mature attitude of wanting an offensive system that scores points so that the fans like you and me are entertained. That system is the WCO and his head coach, Zorn, is a guru when it comes to that system. The problem is that the current QB, Campbell, is definitely not a WCO QB. Last year proved that. And QB is the most important cog in the WCO system. So Snyder wanting Sanchez makes a lot of sense since SC uses a uses a WCO variant as its O system. There doesn't seem to be another QB around, either this year or next, that fits the Skins' needs like Sanchez. I don't understand why there has been such a strong adverse reaction to this. If the Skins get Sanchez they will have their QB of the future to build a strong offensive system around. Long term, it is the best possible solution. Only myopic shortsightedness would lead one to believe that (a) keeping Campbell is a good idea or (b) that they have to use their pick ammo to draft a OT like Oher or Smith.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 15, 2009 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Skins Fans!
No No Not another QB scandal! Jason Campbell should just request for a trade. This team is run by psychopaths if this is actually true. Thank God the Ravens are down the road just in case I need to get away from this team. Thinking about this obnoxious article is just too depressing.
Hail!

Posted by: abxinc | April 15, 2009 5:38 PM | Report abuse

If this is true, it would be a BIG mistake. This team needs some stability, there seems to be yearly changes that cause the team to sputter and then here comes another change to fix the problem. Dan Snyder needs to look at Pittsburg, New England, Denver(under Shanahan), etc. The key is consistency. I think that the interest in Sanchez is a ploy to entice some teams with a REAL interest in Sanchez to seek a trade up to the 13th pick

Posted by: pennstate1 | April 15, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

"Only myopic shortsightedness would lead one to believe that (a) keeping Campbell is a good idea or (b) that they have to use their pick ammo to draft a OT like Oher or Smith.

Posted by: AntonChigurh"

Myopic shortsightedness? Oh yes, kind of like determining that a moderately productive year in his one and only professional season in the system "proves" that Campbell "is definitely not a WCO QB." On top of that, there seems to be pure ignorance on the fact that Campbell's most productive and successful year coming out of college came out of the west coast system, even as you determine that "there doesn't seem to be another QB around...that fits the Skins' needs like Sanchez" because "SC (his college team) uses a uses a WCO variant as its O system." Oh the irony of it all.

Posted by: psps23 | April 15, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

No worry we will not take sanchez with our 13 pick snyder has bumped his head but not that hard,nothin against sanchez but 16 starts dont translate into a franchise QB,Pete caroll wanted him to get some more time under his belt before takin this leap. I firmly believe snyder wants Sanchez but the problem is he wont be there, I would hate to realistcly think he would trade up and blow 2or3 future picks considering our real needs, but whats scary about this cat is he for real no jive,tryin to get Campbell out of there,so after no CUTLER no SANCHEZ what out of desperation will he do to cripple this team to sooth his ego.

Posted by: fboyd454 | April 15, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

If it comes to pass that Snyder picks Sanchez, then this is really about Campbell being in his final year of his contract, and not paying him top money; especially if Campbell has a breakthrough year (which I'm predicting). If I was making the pick, I'm either picking on the defensive side of the ball (the DE from Tenn.) or trading the pick for more picks.

Posted by: Tymmel44 | April 15, 2009 5:55 PM | Report abuse

My draft prediction
1st Kicker
3rd Long snapper
5th Tight End
6th Wide reciever
7th wide reciever
All are problems will be solved

Posted by: DG28 | April 15, 2009 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Cary Conklin 4th round
Chris Hakel 4th
Gus Frerrotte 7th
Heath Shuler 1st
Todd Husak 6th
Sage Rosenfels 4th
Patrick Ramsey 1st
Gibran Hamdan 7th
Jason Campbell 1st
Jordan Palmer 6th
Colt Brennan 6th


Posted by: zcezcest1
Funny that Gus will probably end up having the best career out of all of them. Is he still a FA? Ha! In Gus WE Trust!!

Posted by: DG28 | April 15, 2009 6:03 PM | Report abuse

LOL this is all smoke and mirrors. The have absolutely no intention of drafting this guy. They want someone to trade up and get him and give us picks or keep other teams in the dark about our desire for Orakpo or Smith. If we can't get Orakpo or Smith, I say we trade back and get Jackson from LSU. Due was a beast at LDE which is actually what we need. Ayers of Tennessee plays RDE and he is not beating out AC and would be a huge risk asking him to play on the left which is something he's never done before.

Posted by: onnie007 | April 15, 2009 6:04 PM | Report abuse

LOL this is all smoke and mirrors. The have absolutely no intention of drafting this guy. They want someone to trade up and get him and give us picks or keep other teams in the dark about our desire for Orakpo or Smith.

Posted by: onnie007 | April 15, 2009 6:04 PM

Dream on. These guys are not smoke-and-mirrors types. They telegraph their moves well in advance. They did it when they were drafting Campbell. They did it when they went after Haynesworth -- Peter King wrote about it a week before it happened.

They may not pull it off, but the only way they want to trade is up, not down.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 15, 2009 6:14 PM | Report abuse

On Andre Carter, I have no issue if the Skins want to flip him to the left side. He's not exactly a beast on the right side.

The Skins did play 1 game, vs Minn a couple years back where they flipped Carter and Daniels, figuring Daniels would be stronger against the massive and talented left side of the Minn line. It worked brilliantly. Great call by the coaches. The Vikes couldn't run which meant their offense was Tavaris Jackson passing. Skins won that one pretty convincingly as part the Todd-ball run.

Of note, Daniels was terrific that week. He may not be multi-dimensional, but in that situation, his one dimension was a perfect fit.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 15, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse

mrlowery1 says:

Campbell does need to learn to stop throwing behind receivers, but neither Manning bro., Brees, Brady, Romo or even McNaab (anymore) can pull it down and run like Campbell when needed.

Redskins To-Do List:
1. BUILD THE O-LINE!!
2. FILL OTHER DEF HOLES
3. GIVE CAMPBELL THE BALL!!

For starters, Brees and Romo (especially) can run to get yards, and you could go as far as to say Romo is a scrambling Quarterback, so your claim that Campbell can run it better than them is complete ludicrous. Campbell can run I'll give you that, but so can Sanchez, so there's no advantage there for Campbell. Sanchez throws a more accurate ball and is perfect for the west cost offense. Campbell is a run-heavy oriented quarterback that is Gibb's lasting effect of a poorly manufactured offense (how many points did we score under Gibb's? I can tell you I don't remember eclipsing 20 ever). Sanchez has all the tools of an elite quarterback with the running dimension as well. Campbell just doesn ot strike out to me, and apparently not to McDaniels either (choose freakin' Orton over Campbell what does that say?).

I agree that we need to build the O-line a bit, but I'm telling you we need somebody new to guide this team to a playoff season, weather it be this year or next year, Dockery will help immensely as he was a stud for Trent Edwards and Marshawn Lynch. I am way more confident in our o-line this year, and I think a second or third round OT would suffice; wait until Jansen and Kendall keel over to put this "project" in the starting lineup.

What defensive holes do we have besides OLB for this year? I am confident Daniels and Wynn can provide a decent service this year, and our ends in general do not have to be spectacular as long as Fat Albert stays healthy. There is a reason we gave him all that money.

And for your third claim...time and time again we have given Campbell the ball and the opportunity to get us wins. How many times last year in the final few minutes did he throw a terrible pass that led to an interception? How often did our offense even prove effective in the fourth quarter? It was and has always been our defense that has kept us in games, With Campbell out and our young receivers blossoming, our offense will as spectacular as we all hope they would become.

The Gibbs dynasty is finished, start fresh and give Zorn a project that could prove to be the solution to our Quarterback drought.

Posted by: Broman17 | April 15, 2009 6:30 PM | Report abuse

So Larry Michael read my email on Redskins Nation today....sort of. Larry paraphrased it a bit which was not unexpected since I was venting on Snyder.

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 15, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

ever wish you could search these postings for a certain string at a time? I think it would be great to follow Cork, or TE or Red.anyone actuqally. it would make it more seamless to read the postings too. i wouldn't want this format to go, just add a string postings search sort of a thing-a-ma-jiggy

Posted by: lsskinsfan | April 15, 2009 6:43 PM | Report abuse

"Can an owner be thrown out of power by the fans?"
Yes!
Don't buy any game ticket, simple.

Posted by: abxinc | April 15, 2009 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Broman17,

Why would we draft a "project QB" for Zorn when we all know he wont be here in 2010. I agree with most that say we need to draft a OT with #13 but sometimes you have to draft based on whats available as much as need. If Rey Maualuga is there at 13 we HAVE TO DRAFT HIM! This guy could be the next Ray Lewis/Brian Urlacher. If hes gone Brian Cushing will be a mainstay at SSLB for the next ten years. He has the height to defend the pass, the size to stop the run and the agility/speed to get to the QB. You may all be concerned about R tackle now but what happens when Fletcher is gone and we have some hack Piloting our Defense?

1st Round - (a)Rey Maualuga
(b)Brian Cushing
(c)Micheal Oher or Andre Smith

For those college FB fans out there, you know as well as i do that next year will provide just as many 1st Round OTs but the LBs available will not compare to this year


Posted by: Chrisphilippsen | April 15, 2009 6:49 PM | Report abuse

1st Round - (a)Rey Maualuga
(b)Brian Cushing
(c)Micheal Oher or Andre Smith

For those college FB fans out there, you know as well as i do that next year will provide just as many 1st Round OTs but the LBs available will not compare to this year


Posted by: Chrisphilippsen *

I agree except for the Skins, Cushing should be chosen over Maualuga IMO. More of a natural fit for need on the Skins.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | April 15, 2009 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Broman17 - dude, insightful comments.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 15, 2009 6:53 PM | Report abuse

beantown


The Sox are 2-6.

Beckett's been suspended.

Dice K isn't healthy.

Lester has been pitching like Uncle Fester.

If you're Theo, do you panic and trade for Doc Holliday or J Peavy?

Or do you lay back and wait for the summer?

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 15, 2009 2:59 PM

++++++++++++++++++++++
You forgot Lowrie's out.
Hopefully Smoltzie is gonna straighten it all out. But he wont be in till June.
If its this bad in May, watch for a blockbuster Boston trade.. Ellsbury, Lugo, and a young arm (Delcarmen??), package.

pulling lobstah traps in Glostah..

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | April 15, 2009 6:58 PM | Report abuse

This just proves that Snyder will single handely make the Red skins the laughing stock of the league.Looks like Jerry Jones learned his lesson but our owner doesnt have a clue. Congrats Snyder you are now the most disliked man in Redskins nation take a bow.

Posted by: smooth72510 | April 15, 2009 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Lisa,
So what did your email say? Was it similar to your comment earlier today?

But, more importantly, after Larry finished your email, was there an awkward silence and blank stares?

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 15, 2009 7:12 PM | Report abuse

time and time again we have given Campbell the ball and the opportunity to get us wins. How many times last year in the final few minutes did he throw a terrible pass that led to an interception?

Posted by: Broman17

Ummmmmm. All year, Campbell threw 2 picks in the 4th quarter and both times the game was not in doubt.

How many 4th quarter picks did Campbell throw with the game on the line in 2008?

ZEROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. None. Nada. Zip.

His 2 4th quarter INTs:
vs Ravens, down 14, under 2 minutes
vs Steelers, down 17 under 30 seconds

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 15, 2009 7:21 PM | Report abuse

time and time again we have given Campbell the ball and the opportunity to get us wins. How many times last year in the final few minutes did he throw a terrible pass that led to an interception?

Posted by: Broman17

Ummmmmm. All year, Campbell threw 2 picks in the 4th quarter and both times the game was not in doubt.

How many 4th quarter picks did Campbell throw with the game on the line in 2008?

ZEROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. None. Nada. Zip.

His 2 4th quarter INTs:
vs Ravens, down 14, under 2 minutes
vs Steelers, down 17 under 30 seconds

So let's look on the other side of the spectrum, how many fourth quarter TD's did he have? And it wasn't only this year with the 4th quarter letdowns, it was the 2007 season as well.

Posted by: Broman17 | April 15, 2009 7:24 PM | Report abuse

"Brian Cushing will be a mainstay at SSLB for the next ten years. He has the height to defend the pass, the size to stop the run and the agility/speed to get to the QB"...the "roids to get his azz suspended...

Posted by: tripz | April 15, 2009 7:30 PM | Report abuse

That's why I'm a homer for JC.

He doesn't loose the game for you. There are a lot of reasons we didn't win games in 08, but failure at QB was not one of them.

Given time and an OL, he'll gain more confidence and throw the ball down field.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 15, 2009 7:31 PM | Report abuse

The roids, indeed.

I would have liked JC to throw down field more often, but give the line and chaos on the routes, I understand why he didn't.

I would have liked to see him use his feet more often, since he was running for his life in the second half of the season. It would try to evade and look for a open man, when on a lot of plays he could have gained 5 yards. After all, if you're running, might as well gain a few yards in the process.

And he does move well for a big guy.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 15, 2009 7:35 PM | Report abuse

I'm with ya Stumped. I you've got yhe horses, let 'em run! A couple of "Campbell scrambles" last year had me thinking of Randall Cunningham. The ey need to cut him loose now and again, but PLEASE somebody teach the dude how to slide or run out of bounds before he gets killed!

Posted by: tripz | April 15, 2009 7:40 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: CindyBoren | April 15, 2009 7:40 PM | Report abuse

I'm with ya Stumped. If you've got the horses, let 'em run!

A couple of "Campbell scrambles" last year had me thinking back to Randall Cunningham. They need to cut him loose now and again, but PLEASE, somebody teach the dude how to slide or run out of bounds before he gets killed!

Posted by: tripz | April 15, 2009 7:41 PM | Report abuse

"So let's look on the other side of the spectrum, how many fourth quarter TD's did he have?"

For the sake of "4th quarter letdowns", here are Campbell's numbers in the 4th quarter when the game is 'close' (defined as less than or equal to a 7-point margin), courtesy of espn.com:

28 for 50, 380 yards, 7.60 YPA, 3 TDs, 0 INTs, 100.4 rating

Campbell is downright elite when it comes to "4th quarter letdowns" (or the opposite of them). You might want to find another argument if your bent on criticizing him.

Posted by: psps23 | April 15, 2009 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Chrisphilippsen,
I try not to tee off on the FO all the time, but you've put your finger on it.

The problem is there no continuity in the decisions they make. There are some good ones and bad ones, no doubt.

They hired Zorn, in part because he's a QB coach and can get Campbell to the next level. Now after one season, they're ready to trade out part A (Campbell). Part B (Zorn) is seemingly on thin ice too.

Continuity and patience are in short supply around Ashburn these days.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 15, 2009 7:46 PM | Report abuse

LMAO,
I forgot about not being able to slide.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | April 15, 2009 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Touche psps23...I will retract my previous statement. However, he only threw 13 TD's on the season with 6 int's. That's, to be honest, pathetic. Tavaris Jackson, who only started 7 games last season, had 9 td's (although in one game he did have 4). Culpepper for the Lions had 4 TD's in 5 games. These very very mediocre quarterbacks preformed statistically better than Campbell, and if we are gonna compete in the NFC east, we are going to have to score points...and teams are starting to zone in on our run heavy offense in the red zone.

Posted by: Broman17 | April 15, 2009 8:04 PM | Report abuse

broman17: "However, he only threw 13 TD's on the season with 6 int's. That's, to be honest, pathetic. Tavaris Jackson, who only started 7 games last season, had 9 td's (although in one game he did have 4). Culpepper for the Lions had 4 TD's in 5 games. These very very mediocre quarterbacks preformed statistically better than Campbell,"

Just on that one measure, TD passes. Otherwise, he was measurably superior. Right in the middle, in fact, of the group of QBs who took their teams to the playoffs last year.

You're supposed to start with an objective examination of the stats and work towards a conclusion about the player. Looks to me like you're starting with a conclusion (you don't like him) and cherry-picking facts to support it.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 15, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Campbell (and Portis, and the offense in general) was hitting on all cylinders last year early in the season. And this early success was in a totally new offense. When the O-line had injuries, all aspects of the offense stumbled. It's obvious: address the issues with the aging, injury proned O-line, and the offense will do well.

Posted by: kirk8 | April 15, 2009 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Snyder is like a really young kid always grabing at his junk. Except he's been vaulted into the spot light. And we sit here in agony yet watch with morbid curiosity.


The Ravens, just a marathon jog up the road, did it right. Drafted a strong, young offensive line BEFORE drafting a QB. Besides drafting a lineman means he has all year to develop muscularly before a potential drafted QB would have to acclimate to "NFL Speed". Realistically they should draft two years in a row with OL at the top before a even thinking QB.

I like Campbell, I like a QB at 25 or so. Green Bay got Aaron Brooks? at near the same pick when he was considered a potential top pick. But it should come naturally. If we're good enough to be at the bottom half of the draft without trading up. Heck Ramsey seemed on par with Cutler or that NY Jets kid... Penny maker ...Pennington. Chad Pennington. But I figured if anyone knew better it was Joe Gibbs. You wouldn't expect him to draft Tony Stewart to drive a Chevette.

Posted by: chavez66 | April 16, 2009 7:37 AM | Report abuse

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