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Skins QB Trivia

With the Redskins entering yet another new QB era, I thought I would give you guys a little quiz. The answers will all be found if you click on the continue tab under this entry. There will be a complete list of all the starting QBs dating back to the end of the first Joe Gibbs regime (1993), with the corresponding win-loss record for the player. I'll provide a brief disclaimer, though: It's pretty ugly, and chock full of bad quarterbacks, busted draft picks and a few "ones that got away."

It also begs the old chicken or the egg debate: Do a series of bad passers make for a bad franchise; or does a 13-year run such of this just make all the more clear how mismanaged this woeful franchise has been? It's something I will explore in more detail in the paper next week, most likely. To me, the lack of stability at this most vital position is endemic of the culture of constant turnover and the quest for immediate gratification that has made the Redskins go from the model organization to one that wins on par with Detroit and Arizona and has become an NFL punchline.

Okay, so here are the questions:

1) Jason Campbell will become the 17th starter for the Skins since 1993. How many of those QBs have been given the chance to start even 32 games, the equivalent of two full seasons?

2) How many have started seven games or less?
3) How many have a winning record in their starts for the Redskins? And of those, how many lasted more than one full season as the starter with The Snyder at the helm?

4) How many have gone on to either lead other franchises to the Super Bowl or make the Pro Bowl regularly?

Alright, click on the continue thingy and the list should appear.

You Wanted The List ... You Got The List (sending that one out to Gene, Paul and Ace)

Brunell 15 -18
Ramsey 10-14
Hasselbeck 1-4
Matthews 3-4
Wuerffel 2-2
George 1-6
Banks 8-6
Johnson 17-10
Green 6-8
Frerotte 19-26-1
Hostetler 2-1
Shuler 4-9
Friesz 1-3
Gannon 1-3
Conklin 0-2
Rypien 3-7

Skins Record Since Gibbs Left: 93 - 123 - 1

Answers (at least I think I didn't screw this up):

1 - 2, Brunell and Frerotte

2 - 8

3 - 3, Banks, Johnson and Hostetler. Banks and Johnson played under Snyder. Banks was gone when Marty left after one season - 2001 - and by Johnson's second season under Snyder Jeff George was brought in to save the day. Worked out well.

4) Gannon lost a Super Bowl to Johnson. Green became one of the top passers in the NFL with KC.

As a bonus, guess the ballpark cumulative QB rating those 16 passers combined for in their time here (aim low, my friends)?

Answer: 73.95!

On a scale of up to 158.3, well, draw your own conclusions about just how abysmal that number is. That rating would put "The Washington 16" 33rd in the NFL this season among everyone to throw a pass in 2006, in the vicinity of Brad Johnson (5 TD-9 INTs), Mike Vick (52 % completion percentage) and Charlie Frye (nuff said). In the words of the immortal Triumph The Insult Comedy Dog, "Nice company, for me to ..."

By Jason La Canfora  |  November 14, 2006; 8:59 PM ET
 
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GUS FERROTE STARTED 46 GAMES???!!!!!! holy shti!!!! and i only rember one. the head butt into the wall.

Posted by: dealer | November 14, 2006 9:05 PM | Report abuse

I am thoroughly depressed now. I had hidden deep in my subconscious the memories of Jeff George and Danny Woe-ful as well as the all too often reminders of Johnson and Green's successes elsewhere. Go for it next week on your article Jason... tear the Skins a new one.

Here's to Campbell being the QB of the future... until we trade away our remaining future draft picks to get another one.
Here's a thought: The Redskins are like those guys that go out really early and buy the new video game system like DreamCast while everyone else is saving their money and waiting for X-Box and Playstation 2 to come out. Heck, the Redskins went out and bought the Sega Saturn while everyone else waited for the Playstation and Nintendo 64. Redskins traded their left nut for the TurboGrafx-16. Now I am depressed. Im going to go play some SNES before bed.

Posted by: Dorf | November 14, 2006 9:53 PM | Report abuse

WAWAWAWAWA

Posted by: Anonymous | November 14, 2006 10:31 PM | Report abuse

I love Gus.

Posted by: Brick Tamland | November 14, 2006 10:37 PM | Report abuse

posted by:

F you

Posted by: cosmofla | November 14, 2006 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Wow, that's just...sad.

Posted by: P Diddy | November 14, 2006 11:00 PM | Report abuse

I'm with Dorf; JLaC,show no mercy! I had forgotten that Shuler started so few games. I remember Trent being a third stringer who was unceremoniously allowed to run out of town. I remember being appalled at how B. Johnson was run out of down with such a winning record... The carousel has truly sucked the life out of this team. Let's hope that Campbell will not only get a couple years, but that he will have success and not be snake bit (for goodness sake, we're not the Lion's here!)...

Posted by: Gregarious | November 14, 2006 11:27 PM | Report abuse

I wonder what the cumulative salary expense was for all of these QBs. I'm guessing that number would significantly depress all of us even further.

Or we could just look to the simple answer: Too much.

Just like many of the other moves we have made.

Side note: Watched a taped replay I had of the last Super Bowl victory we had (getting fired up for JC's debut) -- wasn't Thurman Thomas running around looking for his helmet fricking hilarious?

And as I watched Ryp throwing the bomb I thought back to Monday's presser with St. Joe on Rypien: "he wasn't mobile and he threw a wobbly ball, but he couldn't miss deep"

So true.

Posted by: Ali Haji Shank | November 14, 2006 11:28 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for bummin me out..yet again!!!!!!!!

Posted by: OC Skins | November 14, 2006 11:36 PM | Report abuse

BTW, the kicker list is equally hilarious. As is the defensive coordinator list. The offensive coordinator list. The head coach list. The starting wide receiver list.

Calgon take me away!

Posted by: P Diddy | November 14, 2006 11:37 PM | Report abuse

Jason,

I'm glad youre not the beat writer on my Fantasy Team

Posted by: OC Skins | November 14, 2006 11:38 PM | Report abuse

Now, these are the REDSKINS I grew up with! When Joe 1.0 left I was all of 13. I vaguely remember the Doug Williams Superbowl (I only remember because he was a black QB playing in the SB and I was a young 3rd grader in DC Public Schools and we voted him for President and he WON!) and the '91 season was the 1st season I can actually remember without going to NFL Films. Going through the list of QBs brought back a nastolga for me!

I remember and hoped for ALL of those QBs to bring the 'Skins back to the Triumpth I only knew growing up as a Pre-Adolesent. BUT, instead I went through my High School years being ridiculed and laughed at for being an avid fan who bleeds Burgundy & Gold! I always wore that JC Penny Redskins sweater that cost $15 all the time watching the Redskins lose.

My favorite season (well, half of a season) was that year we went 7-1 through the 1st half of the season. Man, I was like in my senior year, and this is my VERY 1st time I could talk trash to people. I waited my whole adolesent life to talk trash, and finally came my time. I even remember Terry, Howie, and Jimmy ribbing James Brown for 'his' team finally doing something. Then came the 2nd half of the season, which meant back to reality..........

Of he listed QBs, I believe if the following were given at least a full season to start, we could have done something:

Hostetler, Green, and Johnson.

Long Live the 90's Redskins! I don't know how I made it (outside of rooting for Monk with the Jets which for that moment became my 2nd favorite team)?

Posted by: 4th Floor | November 14, 2006 11:39 PM | Report abuse

You know...we really are the Cardinals of the 21st Century. "Mr." Snyder probably never thought he'd be keeping such prestigious company with Bill Bidwill.

But buck up, 'Skins Nation! If Grandpa Dick Vermeil could win despite Georgia Frontiere (and her astrologist), maybe St. Joe can turn this thing around after all. In 2007.

Posted by: P Diddy | November 14, 2006 11:39 PM | Report abuse

Jasons post Translated in Italian...Doesnt seem as depressing

Con i redskins che entrano in ancora un altra nuova era di QB, ho pensato che vi dessi i tipi un quiz piccolo. Le risposte tutti saranno trovate se scattate sopra la linguetta di continuazione sotto questa entrata. Ci sarà una lista completa di tutto il QBs cominciante che data dalla conclusione del primo regime del Joe Gibbs (1993), con l'annotazione corrispondente di vinc-perdita per il giocatore. Fornirò un breve diniego, comunque: È abbastanza ugly e cuneo in pieno dei quarterbacks difettosi, dei selezionamenti rotti della brutta copia ed alcuni "che hanno ottenuto via." Inoltre elemosina il vecchio pollo o il dibattito dell'uovo: Faccia una serie di passers difettosi portano ad una concessione difettosa; o un 13-year fa funzionare tali di questo appena dichiara come mismanaged questa concessione woeful è stato? È qualcosa che esplori più dettagliatamente nella settimana prossima di carta, molto probabilmente. A me, la mancanza di stabilità a questa posizione più vitale è endemica della coltura del giro d'affari costante e della ricerca per la soddisfazione immediata che ha incitato i redskins ad andare dall'organizzazione di modello ad una che vince sul par con Detroit e l'Arizona e si è transformata in in un punchline di NFL. L'approvazione, così qui è le domande: 1) Jason Campbell si transformerà in nel diciassettesimo dispositivo d'avviamento per le pelli dal 1993. Quant0 dei quei QBs è stato dato alla probabilità iniziare persino 32 giochi, l'equivalente di due stagioni complete? 2) quant0 hanno iniziato sette giochi o di meno? 3) quant0 hanno un'annotazione di vincita nei loro inizio per i redskins? E di quelli, quant0 hanno durato più di una stagione completa come il dispositivo d'avviamento con lo Snyder al timone? 4) quant0 hanno acceso a cavo altre concessioni alla ciotola eccellente o fanno la pro ciotola regolarmente? Alright, scatti sopra la continuazione thingy e la lista dovrebbe comparire. Avete desiderato La Lista... Avete ottenuto la lista (che trasmette quell'fuori al gene, a Paul ed all'asso) Verde 6-8 Frerotte 19-26-1 Hostetler 2-1 Shuler 4-9 Friesz 1-3 Gannon 1-3 Conklin 0-2 Rypien 3-7 Della Banca 8-6 Johnson 17-10 Di Brunell 15 -18 Ramsey 10-14 Hasselbeck 1-4 Matthews 3-4 Wuerffel 2-2 George 1-6 Le Pelli Registrano Da Gibbs A sinistra: 93 - 123 - 1 Risposte (almeno penso che non avviti questo in su): 1 - 2, Brunell e Frerotte 2 - 8 3 - 3, Banca, Johnson e Hostetler. La banca e Johnson hanno giocato sotto Snyder. La banca è stata andata quando Marty ha andato dopo una stagione - 2001 - ed entro la seconda stagione del Johnson sotto Snyder Jeff George è stato portato dentro per conservare il giorno. Risolto bene. 4) Gannon ha perso una ciotola eccellente a Johnson. Il verde si è transformato in in uno dei passers superiori nel NFL con il KC. Come indennità, indovini il ballpark QB cumulativo che valuta quei 16 passers uniti per nel loro tempo qui (livello basso di scopo, i miei amici)? Risposta: 73.95! Su una scala di fino a 158.3, disegni bene le vostre proprie conclusioni circa appena quanto abysmal che il numero è. Che la valutazione metterebbe "il trentatreesimo de Washington 16" nel NFL questa stagione fra tutto per gettare un passaggio in 2006, nelle vicinanze del brad Johnson (5 TD-9 INTs), del microfono Vick (52 % di percentuale di completamento) e di Charlie Frye (nuff detto). Nelle parole del trionfo immortal il cane dalla Commedia di insulto, "azienda de Nizza, per me..."

Posted by: OC Skins | November 14, 2006 11:44 PM | Report abuse

Sounds delicious!

Posted by: P Diddy | November 15, 2006 12:07 AM | Report abuse

I can't beleive we ran Brad Johnson out of town for Jeff George and then he went on to win a superbowl with Tampa. The guy was good. Like some of the features of Brunel but much better deep ball. I saw him in a home game against Carolina and he just threw like 4 touchdowns in a comeback win. The guy was likable, and grew up a Redskins fan (ie. had the Redskins jacket as a kid, etc.)

We really missed the feel good story on his time in DC. He was a winner. So was Trent Green.

Posted by: Nugget | November 15, 2006 12:10 AM | Report abuse

Imagine being a Bullets Fan during these years, too . . .

The tie game, BTW, IS the game Gus met the wall and infamy.

Posted by: BulletsFan | November 15, 2006 2:00 AM | Report abuse

Jason,
Oh well, at the same time as these woeful quarterbacks have been here, the boy king has turned the franchise into the most valuable franchise in the world. So the on field has been mismanged by snyfer but he is successful at running the redskins busuness. I am now as much a fan of his business acumen as I am of the team. I stopped caring about good football and winning records and just marvel at the marketing innovations made by number 1, Daniel M Snyder.

Posted by: Robert A Bowie | November 15, 2006 5:08 AM | Report abuse

This just supports my question about this team. They spend hundreds of millions on all of these positions. None at QB until Brunell. This comes to my second point. The Skins, at first, spent their FA money on older vets. Then they learned to spend it on younger players. Well they signed an older QB due to Gibbs wanting him. Since Danny Boy has been here they have spent most likley just under 1 billion dollars on players yet they cannot bring in a young stud of a QB? Does this make sense to anyone?

Posted by: Mike4169@aol.com | November 15, 2006 7:31 AM | Report abuse

I had forgotten that Shuler actually won 4 games. Actually, at 4-9 (.308), Shuler was not much worse than the 2006 Skins (.333). That is so sad.

Random "JC Will Not Suck" Thought:

With 12 duds out of that group of 16, the law of averages says we will hit on JC. Party on dudes! (Ted Logan Voice)

Posted by: CMoney | November 15, 2006 7:34 AM | Report abuse

All I know is Campbell is starting which is good news. So I am going to focus on that since I been on the dark side most of the season.

Posted by: jm220 | November 15, 2006 7:35 AM | Report abuse

The 'Skins are the east coast version of the Raiders. All the Danny needs to do to complete the package is wear a cheap jogging suit and sit with his mouth open during games.

Expect Art Shell to take over the team next season. Also expect us to give up a great draft pick to Miami to get Daunte Culpepper, to be backed up by the grizzled veteran Kerry Collins. But hey, they'll play their guts out. Maybe I exaggerate; maybe I don't.

Again and again I'll say this: Joe must go. His game is gone. What he had was rare and wonderful, and it brought championships. But he doesn't have it anymore. He's not even in sniffing distance of a championship-caliber team. That won't turn around next year. It's going to take maybe three years of drafts and hard work and laser-like free-agent pickups to get everyone back to the level that they were for those 5, count 'em 5, games in 2005. But not with the current coach and director of player personnel. Ain't gonna happen. No chemistry, no magic, no trophy.

Gibbs II is like New Coke. Took a wonderful product and tried to update it with disastrous results. Except this time, there's no way to go back to the original. Time to step aside, Joe. Take Danny Marino's seat on CBS.

Posted by: Montana'Skins Fan | November 15, 2006 7:59 AM | Report abuse

MSF,

That is absolute junk. You must be what 25. Joe can go when Joe wants to go. He has earned the right. Last year, we all were ready to thank him for turning the team around, thinking that Grilliams was a lock as the heir apparent. Now just kick Joe to the curb and start anew nothing looks right. Yeah, the team is lousy. But if anyone would have told me in June that we would lose 2nd half leads against the Vikings and Titans at home I would have told them that they were nuts. Is Bill Cowher on the chopping block? Should've Andy Reid gone because of last year's preformance? How about Marvin Lewis? His defense sucks. Continuity! That's what every team needs. You have to keep the same co-ordinators, core players, and coach. If the 'skins only win 2 more games and Joe loses the players then perhaps he'll go but it won't be without another 13 years of hoping for 9-7 and a playoff win.

Posted by: bangkokben | November 15, 2006 8:43 AM | Report abuse

I hope Danny boy reads your column. I hear tell that he is an astute business man AND a life long Redskin fan. I don't know what business profitable or not, would put up with so much, ill informed, wasteful spending, AND what real Redskin fan could do this to a legendary team with such great fans.
He needs to fire himself!!

Posted by: jt | November 15, 2006 8:53 AM | Report abuse

JLa,

WOW, just WOW. We are a revolving door at QB, Kicker, and Punter.

I bet if you added up all of the different QB's, K's, and P's over that time period, we will have the highest number in the NFL... probably near 50. Then you look at place like Philly whose number is probably 4 or 5. Over that time period Philly goes to 3 consecutive NFC Championship games and a SB and we have gradually become the laughing stock of the entire NFL.

I think the funny thing about your write up is that the person with the highest winning percentage was booted out of Redskin Park for Jeff George. That particular player is still a starting QB in the league 6 years later and won a Super Bowl right after he left us. DOH

Will a Snyder run team EVER, EVER have patience? I guess we will soon find out with Jason Campbell, who will no doubt have growing pains over the course of the next 7 weeks.

If we decide to do something drastic at QB in the off-season, based on these 7 games, without CP in the lineup, I will crap myself. Jason should get the benefit of this season and NEXT.

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | November 15, 2006 8:54 AM | Report abuse

I was actually at the Giants/Skins double overtime, headbutt, no offense grudge match.

Posted by: Pub Golf | November 15, 2006 8:55 AM | Report abuse

I've got three words for all you faithfuls:

Vinny Cerato Blog

ridiculous...

Posted by: John From Herndon | November 15, 2006 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Honestly, I think everybody Mr. Snyder has brought in to do the evaluation of talent has been awful, or has been the coach. The last decent GM we had was Casserly (notice, only decent) and he left us in good position with 2 of the top 3 draft picks. What we neeeeeeeed is a top notch GM, like a Bobby Bethard or a Ron Wolf. Someone that can build a team.

I'm reminded of Yoda when it comes to Mr. Snyder..."I cannot teach him. The boy has no patience."

Posted by: CowboyH8R | November 15, 2006 9:20 AM | Report abuse

"That is absolute junk. You must be what 25. Joe can go when Joe wants to go. He has earned the right."

That's the kind of thinking that has landed the Raiders where they are at. Raiders fans live out the old glory days and let ol' joggin suit McGee get away with it. Yeah, I'm 25 and I am not cool with Joe Gibbs being around for 5+ years if he can't get the results he did back when I was in grade school. Change is good. Too much change is bad. Stability my friends. Find something that works and stick with it. I am positive the 99-00 Skins under Brad Johnson would have been in the SuperBowl by now if they had stuck with that core group add maybe added some recievers (ie Albert Connell, Michael Westbrook) Once Gibbs realized that Brunell wasn't going to be get the job done, he had to change. Did it take him a while? Yes. But at least now we can see where we are heading. Brunell was a dead end. JC needs to show us what he's got. I swear to God if Gibbs sticks Brunell back in, I'm boycotting the rest of the season.

BTW: Joe is a coach and ol' joggin suit McGee is the owner. I know it doesn't translate well but its the kind of thinking that leaves you with an "remember the glory days" attitude. Sharks move forward or they die. Attack you idiot!

Posted by: Dorf | November 15, 2006 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Is there anything more depressing than reading that list and notice that only two made more than 5 starts and have winning records? And that one of those QBs is Tony Banks!?

Posted by: tallbear | November 15, 2006 9:33 AM | Report abuse

CowboyH8R, the only difference is Luke turned out to be legit, whereas I don't see Snyder doing anything remotely close to destroying the dark side.

Posted by: PSF | November 15, 2006 9:34 AM | Report abuse

to bangkokben:

I'm actually 46 and a HUGE fan of Washington ever since I was a wee tyke. But I also know when to face reality. Nobody, nobody earns the right to leave when they want. This is a business about winning. Loyalty comes from the fans, not the owners or the players or the coaches. It's a business, and though the 'Skins are the most valuable sports franchise right now, it won't be very long now before that falls. Unless you win, and win now, you're history. Cowher is around still because by and large he keeps producing contenders and last year a champion. Andy Reid is on a slow skid.

Continuity is a thing of the past since free agency. That's Joe's big problem; he still thinks it's the '80s. Send him on his way with the remainder of his contract.

Sorry bangkokben; you're living in the past along with the coach. 21st century, baby. Get with it!

Posted by: Montana'Skins Fan | November 15, 2006 9:39 AM | Report abuse

How did we ever let a catch like Kent Graham get away from us? With a qb rating of 122 for 2001 and the save at Denver when Tony Banks got knocked up...oops, I mean 'out'.

Him and Rodney Peete never got any starts; there is no justice in this world.

And if you think I'm serious, you really need help.

Posted by: Megskin | November 15, 2006 9:50 AM | Report abuse

WARNING, WARNING...This is a rant so if you don't want to read a rant please skip down to the next post. This isn't insightful I'm just getting it off my chest to make myself feel better.

I just read Fatscarelli. What an ass. I have never seen a real journalist make a story more about himself when in actuality the story had nothing to do with him.

"Don't want you falling too far to the floor and concussing yourselves, after all, when I do something that I don't often do: Give the Redskins some props."

Umm, how could someone be so self agrandizing and disillusioned to think that any of us actually care what you write. Fats, listen closely...YOU"RE A SPORTS WRITER!! Not a nobel prize winner, not a surgeon, not a struggling single mother working two jobs. No one cares about you or what you think!!! You stupid pompous ass.


/end rant.

Ok thanks, on to the Cambell show.

Posted by: Skinz | November 15, 2006 9:50 AM | Report abuse

"Do a series of bad passers make for a bad franchise; or does a 13-year run such of this just make all the more clear how mismanaged this woeful franchise has been?"

Both...most of those QBs were pretty bad, and they directly contributed to the team's poor performance.

There were only three "ones that got away" (Johnson, Green, and perhaps Gannon), and only one of them left during the Snyder era. For most of these QBs, it's hard to argue that the team gave up too soon on them. The coaching turnover is better evidence of the team's impatience.

Posted by: Phil | November 15, 2006 10:01 AM | Report abuse

MSF, up until last year, Cowher produced pretenders. He's had the benefit of working for Rooney, who is loyal and probably understand the football business better than most everyone. Snyder doesn't get the football business, he just gets business. It doesn't matter how old you are, you don't get continuity by talking about canning your coach after 2 1/2 years. His biggest mistake, IMO, was bringing in Saunders just when he had got the offense starting to work in spite of noodle armed Brunell. Even Norv got the Redskins winning eventually, but the Danny brought about his demise...

You know everyone, Richie Petibon was the first coach of the decline, but the real problem is a curse that haunts us. Why? The longest tenured coach since then was the Norv... An ex-cowboy... Isn't that all we really need to know? We've been undergoing a ritual purification with Gibbs at the helm. Even though Norv did get us to the playoffs eventually... the Danny shot us back down again. Oh well, can you tell I'm conflicted? All I'm saying is patience:) If Campbell gets yanked and Brunell goes back in, then we can all boycott the team and wish for Gibbs 2nd retirement...

Posted by: Gregarious | November 15, 2006 10:17 AM | Report abuse

What a list! I had buried some of those deep into the hidden areas of my psyche. My answer to JLaC's question, it's definately a sign of how poorly this organization has been mismanaged in the last 13 years. BTW, what is B. Beathard doing now anyways?? As previous posters have noted, I'd love to see a list of kickers and punters during that same time period.

(Do I dare say "thanks" to JLaC for putting out such a article/list? It truly was insightful.)

Posted by: ME | November 15, 2006 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Any hope to be gained the JC is the 17th starting QB and wears number 17? Could the fates possibly be aligned for our dear Redskins??

Posted by: ME | November 15, 2006 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Someone probably arleady said it, but Pastabelly is reporting that Portis will have shoulder surgery too and is definitely headed to the IR...

Posted by: Posse Redux | November 15, 2006 10:53 AM | Report abuse

well, mark really fought his guts out yesterday at film study. we also think he is super smart and thats real important up here. for us, i think it's best we give mark a chance after his day off and see what he can do. with that, mark brunell we start sunday at tampa. todd will be our #2 and jason will be 3rd.

Posted by: joe gibbs | November 15, 2006 10:56 AM | Report abuse

*continuing on skinz rant*

skinz, what got me was the first line of that idiotic, moronic, unprofessional, inarticulate, garbage:

Here's hoping all you Washington Redskins fans out there, or at least the scant remaining members who continue to pledge loyalty to the floundering franchise...

HUH??????????!!! WHAT??? is he F-ing dellusional? the most profitable, priciest franchise in sports is "floundering"...and the fans will somehow disappear after 9 games? HELLO!!! Baltimore Ravens, an nfl team 30 minutes away, won the goddang superbowl not too long ago and there wasn't even a ripple in the fan base eventhough we were sucking arse(ses)! and THIS season will stop us from being loyal to OUR TEAM?

here's a memo to pesky: i may not like our owner, i may not like our coach, i may not even like other fans, i may find my team's name to be racist, BUT i will NEVER EVER root for another team or STOP ROOTING for this team. you stupid a-hole!

and it's only time till "the daniel" gets his tennacles on your boss you f-ing idiot!

you're not bigger than your job you scum bucket!

Posted by: littery genious | November 15, 2006 11:04 AM | Report abuse

continuing LG's rant...

I find that people who think the team name is "racist" have no idea what racism actually is. In fact, I think these people belittle actual racism.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | November 15, 2006 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Wilbon's article was great today... why in the world did JC not see snaps during 4th quarter blow outs? Did Gibbs not want to hurt Brunell's fealings? Of course, none of this was news to anyone in the super smart Redskins Insider family. Is Wilbon reading our comments?

Any update on the locker room vibe since the change...? Obviously Mark and Todd didn't agree with the change. I know not much happens on Tuesdays so here's to a good report today. Portis update?

Rumor mill: Fudge-Ums is now the #3 QB and still playing his poop out on defense and specials teams so Todd Collins has been given all clipboard responsibilities as well as water bottle duties.

Posted by: Dorf | November 15, 2006 11:20 AM | Report abuse

i find that people who think the team name is "racist"...have no idea what racism actually is

joe, tell that to the native americans. i'm not one of them i only believe them when they tell me so. and they've told me so.

and how did you earn the right to tell others what they should consider racist and not?

Posted by: littery genious | November 15, 2006 11:25 AM | Report abuse

OK,OK

How about a quickie lil' joke to lighten the mood ... M'Kay?

A blonde, wanting to earn some money, decided to hire herself out as a handyman-type and started canvassing a wealthy neighborhood. She went to the front door of the first house and asked the owner if he had any jobs for her to do. "Well, you can paint my porch. How much will you charge?"

The blonde said "How about 50 dollars?" The man agreed and told her that the paint and ladders that she might need were in the garage.

The man's wife, inside the house, heard the conversation and said to her husband, "Does she realize that the porch goes all the way around the house?"

The man replied, "She should. She was standing on the porch."

A short time later, the blonde came to the door to collect her money. "You're finished already?" he asked. "Yes," the blonde answered, "and I had paint left over, so I gave it two coats.

"Impressed, the man reached in his pocket for the $50.

"And by the way," the blonde added, "that's not a Porch, it's a Ferrari."

*hugs* ... now on with the regularly scheduled programming ...


Posted by: Anonymous | November 15, 2006 11:30 AM | Report abuse

LG, I didn't earn it. I looked it up.

Racism: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

The name may be offensive, but it's not racist. Learn the difference and stop belittling the struggles of others.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | November 15, 2006 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Here's hoping all you Washington Redskins fans out there, or at least the scant remaining members who continue to pledge loyalty to the floundering franchise...

Ah, yes, Mr. PetSquirrelBelly, engaging in his personal hook of ego masturbation and noisy, putrid outbursts coming out on the wrong side of the digestion system. It's always easy to take potshots when you can hide behind a screen and a keyboard.

If you're going to scream it, don't do it from the rafters, do it from the pulpit. Come down, stand in the middle of FedEx field in a home game, and say it.
Double, triple, quadruple-dog dare you.

Posted by: FlimFlam | November 15, 2006 11:36 AM | Report abuse

In the new era of parity, *just about* the only teams that are reasonably consistent at winning are teams with "franchise" QBs:

The top 10 teams, in total wins, from the 2002 season to the present:

1. Indianapolis, 57 wins
2. New England, 53 wins
3. Denver, 49 wins
4. Philadelphia, 48 wins
5. Pittsburgh, 45 wins
6. Seattle, 45 wins
7. Kansas City, 43 wins
8. Carolina, 41 wins
9. San Diego, 40 wins
10. Green Bay, 40 wins

See anything in common? Almost all of these teams have franchise QBs. Maybe a second theme would be stability of coaching staff (Denver, Pittsburgh), or a future HOF RB (San Diego).

Now, the bottom 10:
23. New Orleans, 34 wins
24. Cincinnati, 33 wins
25. Buffalo, 31 wins
26. Washington, 31 wins
27. Cleveland, 27 wins
28. San Francisco, 27 wins
29. Oakland, 26 wins
30. Houston, 21 wins
31. Detroit, 21 wins
32. Arizona, 21 wins

See the contrast? Do *ANY* of these teams have a franchise QB? (David Carr, this is not a good reflection on you). Carson Palmer of Cincy maybe qualifies-- but he has only been the starter for three of those years (they only won 2 games the year before Palmer was drafted, and that drags them down).

The clearest way to success would be, in order, 1. A franchise QB; 2. Stability within the franchise; 3. HOF RB.

#2 is a bit unfair, since obviously most GMs/owners will not put up for more than a few years of really poor performance-- so the sample is biased-- obviously, teams that do really well have stability and vice-versa.

But it sure shows you how important that franchise QB appears to be.

Posted by: Mike B | November 15, 2006 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Jason, just read the La Canfora/Bryant tagteam Portis update. We better get 150 carries out of Duckett for the rest of the season. The part that is bugging me... didn't Portis hurt his shoulder on a Mark Brunell INT?? Could that one throw have thrown the whole season out the window? Brunell loses all confidence in his noodle arm, the best guy on the team is rendered useless and can't shoulder (bad pun?) the load. Brunell spends the rest of the season throwing dink and dunks and 3 yard passes out of guilt for Portis's injury??

At least John from Herndon's heart isn't hurting. My head is.

Posted by: Dorf | November 15, 2006 11:46 AM | Report abuse

FINALLY the old salliemae, personally, i like the old salliemae a lot better, you know, the original story dropper. please salliemae, out with the new, in with the old.

Posted by: vinny cerrato | November 15, 2006 11:47 AM | Report abuse

I dunno about where this angry thread is going. But since I've come around to accept the fact that we really are the East Coast Raiders (or Cardinals ... its a DRY heat), I have mentally prepared for a few years of taking lumps and 're-building.' [Clarification: Al Davis does not own the Raiders; he describes himself as the 'majority shareholder.'] The two primary hurdles in the re-builing efforts are (1) the owner still seems obsessed with winning now, rather than winning eventually (and then repeatedly) and (2) we don't have any draft picks to do it with. Assuming that somehow someway, #1 gets dealt with, then STABILITY seems to be the hallmark of successful teams. That means having players and coaches serve out their contracts, including Gibbs, Saunders, and Grilliams. The soon-to-be dead wood requires a chain saw (Brunell) and then maybe some pruning to address the problem with #2, e.g., take some cap hit (Archuleta) to trade for some draft picks. Plan B is to re-negotiate contracts (Archuleta, Carter) commensurate with performance (pay cut, see LaVar). Our free agent veterans continue to age (Springs, Vincent) and get hurt too much (Griffin, Daniels, Big Joe). Some of that needs to get pruned and replaced either through the late rounds of the draft or Grilliams' under-achiever free-agent finding. Portis needs to get as much surgery as possible for next year. When Springs' groin was hurt at the end of last season, he should have had the surgery THEN. The death knell of the defense in the begining of the season not simply Archubingus/Carter; it was the loss of Springs/Prioleau too. Our existing depth has been baking for a while (Rocky, McCune, etc.) and should be ready to serve soon. I repeat my point here - STABILITY. Talking about unloading St. Joe is just more money chasing bad decisions. Stick with the little that works and eat it. Its the demands for "win right now and I will keep buying the merchandise" mentality that feeds the Bea$t. Now, if there are any extraordinarily wealthy posters on this thread, please make an offer to turn Mr. "Win Right Now ... Again" $nyder into a 'minority shareholder'. Thanks in advance.

Posted by: dcsween | November 15, 2006 11:50 AM | Report abuse

joe, thanks. (sincerely) but i think my arguement is in your definition of "racism". you're offensive to people of other race because you feel superior to that race. thus you chose to offend and use offensive names.

Posted by: LG | November 15, 2006 11:56 AM | Report abuse

I remember the Frerotte head-butt, overtime, tie game because I was there. What an experience. I was sitting up in the suites (I was given the tickets) and my view was obscured from the actual headbutting of the wall. All I know is, I saw Frerotte scamper for a TD on one drive and then watched Hostetler trot onto the field for the ensuing series. I also remember Michael Westbrook removing his helmet late in the fourth quarter with the Redskins driving into Giants territory. The helmet debacle cost the Skins 15 yards and removed them from FG range. (It was the first year the helmet rule was in effect.) Ahh, a 7-7 overtime tie to the Giants. Nothing more unfulfilling. Aside from that game, I saw the Skins lose at RFK to the Cardinals when Boomer threw for a ridiculous amount of yardage, and I watched Washington and QB Tony Banks lose to the Rams. So, I'm 0-2-1 when I see a Skins game in person. Sounds about right considering their overall record since Gibbs left town (and came back).

Posted by: Colin | November 15, 2006 11:57 AM | Report abuse

I could see myself as a majority shareholder. Once MI:4 hits the big screen and my best friend Daniel Synder pays me a billion dollars for my amazing talent (you saw War of the Worlds didn't you??!!) I will do my darndest to become your beloved majority shareholder. It might take a while though... gotta give half of what I earn to Scientology.

Posted by: Tom Cruise | November 15, 2006 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Oh, and I covered the Skins at Panthers game from a couple of years ago. They lost that one, too. But talking to Spurrier was a treat.

Posted by: Colin | November 15, 2006 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Depressing article JLC, but hey so what! The kid (JC) is playing this weekend. Maybe he'll be the one to end this drought of futility at QB. The move give us hope if nothing else.

Now if you want something depressing, how about sitting out here in Denver listening to how the Broncos will continue to better themselves with more skins draft picks and watching Champ having a defensive MVP season. At least we've still got the mountains.

Posted by: skinswest | November 15, 2006 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Tis a sad day when Megskin has to include disclaimers in her posts...

Posted by: MV Dame | November 15, 2006 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Can anyone get Pastabelly's e-mail addy?

Posted by: OC Skins | November 15, 2006 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Can't believe you all broke John from Herndon's heart.

Posted by: Anonymous | November 15, 2006 12:56 PM | Report abuse

I QB changes for our team reminds me of when Bullwinkle tells Rocky "watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat". And he pulls out a damn Lion's head. Let's hope Bullwinkle gets it right this time with Campbell.

Posted by: jm220 | November 15, 2006 1:00 PM | Report abuse

To add to the qb discussion, didn't Stan Humphries sit on our bench and go on to take San Diego to a Super Bowl? I think he was Rypien's back up.

Posted by: drew | November 15, 2006 1:19 PM | Report abuse

J-La - ugh thanks for making me throw up in my mouth.

Jeff George!!!! Jeff F***ING George!!!! That was the worst day of my fandom life.

The Daniel may be a great business man - well obviously he is and he is definitley a great crack dealer for all of us who keep coming back for more even after JEFF FRIGGIN GEORGE!!!

The horror . . . the horror. . . the horror

Posted by: sfskin | November 15, 2006 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Can we call the Danny (Crack Dealer)from now on?

Posted by: OC Skins | November 15, 2006 1:37 PM | Report abuse

JLC - how could you leave Peter Criss out of your dedication? Drummers get no love....

Posted by: Skins Fan in L.A. | November 15, 2006 2:43 PM | Report abuse

I have been a loyal Skins fan since I was a kid. (I was -and still am - a fan of the Capitals when they were the most losing franchise in NHL history.)

This year there was a big transition with Saunders and his system in which Gibbs is still trying to figure out where he can fit in, the coaches are smart and good, and there is a lot of talent on the team. They will eventually get their act together. It will most likely be much better next year. Have patience, folks.

Go Skins!!!!

(And I do agree with most everyone that they do need to stop giving away all their draft choices.)

Posted by: charlie | November 15, 2006 3:50 PM | Report abuse

I read the blog from time to time but am new to posting. But I've been a lifelong Skins fan so here goes.

First, the won-loss since Joe left was maybe the most surprising thing. Although I was watching the games, I didn't realize just how consistently sorry we've been. Second, wasn't Joe known for winning with any old body at QB during his first stint? I seem to remember Joe T., Schroeder, Williams, Rypien, Stan Humphries (and I want to put Conklin in that mix too but I'm not sure.) I think he's still the only coach to win SBs with 3 different QBs. ALthough, he didn't win SBs with all those guys, he consistently won. And when you look at the career QB ratings, none of them is particularly high and only Joe T. and Rypien had "off the charts" years.

To me, he won big in his first stint by having the same offensive system, a reliable running game AND of having guys who could consistently get open and catch the ball like Art Monk. (It amazes me how when Monk's name comes up in HOF discussions, he is dismissed as "just a possession receiver".

Here's hoping that Duckett gets big minutes along with JC and is able to produce. Maybe that will also help the receiving corps.

Posted by: Blog Newbie | November 15, 2006 4:21 PM | Report abuse

I just want the Redskins to be entertaining. Not much left to hope for as entertainment but to watch JC come along and see what he can do for the rest of the season.

Posted by: don't know what I'm talking about | November 15, 2006 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Question,

How many people think the change of QB was 100% Gibbs? How many think Snyder had a lot to do with it?

Posted by: Mike4169@aol.com | November 15, 2006 6:49 PM | Report abuse

I think we're all a little relieved at this week's delightful news combo, Portis to the IR + Bruno to the bench. Now we can wash our hands of this season as far as Great Accomplishments and focus on the future. Which we usually only get to do in the offseason, when every move seems brilliant.

Yeah, Soupy under center comes a few weeks late, but now there is absolutely no pressure to 'save our season,' which should help. I hope the very best for this kid. I hope he gets to hand off about 40 times on Sunday. I hope at least half of those handoffs are to the Rusty Duck. And I hope when he does go back to pass, the boys give him a little time and some breathing room, because the D will be gunning for him. As usual, I'll be rooting my ass off, since I'm a fool for this team, just like you are.

One other thing that's been gnawing at me: when we wear white jerseys, we wear burgundy pants. That is the uniform. We should NOT under any circumstances wear white jerseys with white pants. The white on white unis look ridiculous, just atrocious, and it doesn't help that in my mind they date back to the Deion/Bruce Smith era (which also gave us those ugly fake throwback dark burgundy jerseys). Nothing good has come of wearing the white on white unis. Please, please, let last week's game be last time we ever see them.

[Not that you asked, but for what it's worth, I think the team name is so offensive that it embarrasses me to say it aloud, and I've loved this team since early childhood. I admit that it would feel very strange to refer to this same team by another name, though, as with Boulez/Wiz, but come on, RED-SKINS? Just step back and think about it; it's absurdly offensive. But in any case, it's inconceivable that it will be changed any time soon... unle$$ there were some massive benefit to Daniel.]

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | November 15, 2006 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, the $nides is peddlin' some fine dope, 'cause even and old fart who grew up on Chris Hanburger, Pat Fisher, Sonny, Billy, Charlie Taylor, Jerry Smith, and Larry Brown; and had trading card posters of them on my wall keeps coming back to get his heart broken. Danno, remember the Beatles song "Can't Buy Me Love" and change the last word to "wins". Get Squire-ized and back off, fire Vinny, get a GM, and keep your mouth shut. Until then, I'm going back to root for my old team- "whoever's playing Dallas".

Posted by: PatFisherFan | November 15, 2006 8:54 PM | Report abuse

"Any hope to be gained the JC is the 17th starting QB and wears number 17? Could the fates possibly be aligned for our dear Redskins??"

Billy Kilmer was also #17 and was instrumental in the Redskins getting to their first Super Bowl (#7) . . .

And wasn't Doug Williams also wearing #17 when he led the Redskins to their second Super Bowl victory by routing the Broncos?

Watch out in 2007 . . .

Posted by: AlderPlank | November 16, 2006 3:48 AM | Report abuse

I've got an idea ... Lets start Randle El at QB. After all I think that he's the only proven NFL passer on this team. Lets face it, Brunell has some issues, we don't know anything about Campbell and I don't even want to talk about Collins. A small bonus is that Brandon Lloyd's numbers will rise.

Posted by: Anonymous | November 16, 2006 7:01 PM | Report abuse

When in doubt, you can always sign Jeff George!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | November 16, 2006 7:03 PM | Report abuse

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