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Skins-Ravens Moved to Sunday Night

The Redskins' Dec. 7 game against the Ravens in Baltimore has been moved to 8:15 on NBC, according to a source.

By Cindy Boren  |  November 24, 2008; 10:19 AM ET
 
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according to the user comments on the blog?

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Posted by: TheTruth11 | November 24, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Perhaps this will be our FIRST win in a national TV night game.

Posted by: jwlemons | November 24, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

I been waiting for this game for over the last month.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | November 24, 2008 10:39 AM | Report abuse

The Giants showed how to beat the Ravens, run the ball down there throats.

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 24, 2008 10:40 AM | Report abuse

We better come with our hats on. I saw the Ravens Texans and it was not pretty.

Posted by: ElYeah | November 24, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Squibs and pop-ups are strategies, there was nothing about his kick that game down at the 20 that was a "pop-up" it was a normal trajectory weak kick, he hasn't gotten one to eve the 5 in a long long time.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 24, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

or perhaps this will be our FOURTH loss in a national TV night game?

Posted by: REDneckSKINhead | November 24, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

That's only during HOME night games. We have a fighting chance when away.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 24, 2008 10:12 AM |

So not true..4th...we suck in ALL primetime games - home or away. Witness: our first primetime game against the Giants at the Meadowlands.

How could the NFL do this to us?????

Posted by: Lisa_R | November 24, 2008 10:21 AM

That's Just one away game. Name another.

We recently played the Miracle @ Midnight AT DALLAS and won. And we smashed the Eagles last year on a MNF game when JC17 was playing......

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 24, 2008 10:43 AM | Report abuse

don't know if yall have seen this, from SI online :


"The Redskins didn't stay tied with Dallas for second place in the NFC East until Seattle's Matt Hasselbeck had an underthrown pass on the next play intended for Koren Robinson . Former Seahawk Shawn Springs intercepted it near midfield with 1:20 left.

Springs, coming back from a strained calf, said he was familiar with the play because Zorn prepped the defense for it all week. "

Posted by: TheTruth11 | November 24, 2008 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Oh well, it isnt bad having 11, i agree. but when you are all ready to watch and then the gmen are on, it gets annoying.

Posted by: Zeebs | November 24, 2008 10:31 AM

It's 12 now that the Ravens game has been moved to prime time. But it is something that bears watching throughout the season because the Skins-Saints game wasn't supposed to be on in our area but it ended up being on regular TV for some reason. So unless we get screwed by flex scheduling, we should be able to get the rest of the Skins games on TV.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 24, 2008 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Prime Time sucking a Skins uniform > Skins sucking in prime time.

Posted by: dcsween | November 24, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

I wouldnt mind having to go to Arz, that place plays like a home field for us, playoffs wouldnt change a thing it would still be a skins crowd.

Posted by: Stu27 | November 24, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

But it is so weak that a team gets rewarded for winning that pathetic excuse of a division with a home game.

Posted by: Stu27 | November 24, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

The "greater than" sign indicates high level of sucking in that equation.

Posted by: dcsween | November 24, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Other notes I saw from the game:

Springs didn't look like his old self. He was beat pretty handily a couple of times. Pulled a nice veteran move on the INT though.

What's happened to our run defense? Has Evans lost the out-of-nowhere magic? Could it be that MWashington was actually more valuable than we imagined?

Zorn put his faith back in Campbell, and it paid off. Some empty formations, the trust of Campbell to throw to an open space, and most importantly Zorn never abandoned the deep ball - even when it didn't seem to be effective. This completely opened up the defense for Portis later in the game.

Our special teams still stink.

Kelly was impressive. He didn't produce too much, but it seems like Campbell trusts Kelly much more so than Thomas. I see nice things coming from Kelly, so long as he can stay healthy. Campbell's timing with the rooks on deep balls seems to be way off, though.

Posted by: psps23 | November 24, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

I'm not going to believe a source until it's confirmed.

and what's the BS with the SI article - that we didn't stayed tied until the INT at the end of the game? I was not aware that the playoff picture could randomly change in the middle of the game (when you are not at the points for/points against tie breaker like they were a few years ago).

Posted by: suzannepdc | November 24, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

We better come with our hats on. I saw the Ravens Texans and it was not pretty.

Posted by: ElYeah | November 24, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

what kind of hats do you suggest we bring? I can bring a wide array of hats if necessary...ones with feathers in them, ones that have silly saying on them like, "Whoop There It Is", "You Down Wit OPP", etc.
I think we should bring more then hats to this game as it will be cold outside too....just sayin's all

Posted by: P00P | November 24, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Skins-Ravens?? Is this a guest blog by Mark from the future?? We are nearly two weeks and three hours of football before it even bears thinking about ...

Also, why didn't Brandon Jacobs play yesterday?

Posted by: dcsween | November 24, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

according to the user comments on the blog?

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Posted by: TheTruth11 | November 24, 2008 10:37 AM |

It's a source, so you don't know if I was contacted or not.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 24, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

But it is so weak that a team gets rewarded for winning that pathetic excuse of a division with a home game.

Posted by: Stu27 | November 24, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

*******************************
But at least Arizona is a good team that deserves to be in the playoffs. It's not like the AFC West - I am convinced an 8-8 or 7-9 team is going to roll into the playoffs from that division, which sucks for the teams that will be 10-6 and left out.

Posted by: suzannepdc | November 24, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

I have spent more time than anyone else on this blog defending Betts against charges that he fumbles at critical times. I found and posted statistics to show that CP fumbles more frequently than Betts.

What a waste of time and energy. Never again. I was wrong. I wasn't just wrong: I was a doofus.

I am posting this four more times this week as a form of penance. I feel like I'm walking around with a "kick me" sign on my butt.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 24, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Sweet! Despite our problems on nationally televised games, I'm excited to be able to watch yet another Skins game on regular TV out here in the Republic of Cascadia (i.e. Pacific NW). The Seahawks game was on our local Fox station yesterday, and while both the offense and defense were painful to watch at times, a win is a win, and hopefully will help this team get their mojo back.

Posted by: PDXskin | November 24, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

+++I see 3 losses on the Cowpies schedule. But if the Skins handle business like they should, 10-6 is the likely scenario. But if they can nail Baltimore and go 11-5, I'll be happy as hell!+++--Brownwood

You live in CA right? Using the Medical MJ, right?

Seriously, I HATE the Cowboys. But don't forget they were picked ot win the Superbowl and were derailed by injuries. They not only won't lose three more, they are the team most likely to beat the Giants, who've been lucky NOT to have any key injuries this year (after pre-season), and are now starting to lose people.

Posted by: TheCork | November 24, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

What's happened to our run defense? Has Evans lost the out-of-nowhere magic? Could it be that MWashington was actually more valuable than we imagined?--psps

I think this staement is very true, there is a coorelation with us getting burned by rushers on the edges when M Wash is out of games. Keep this in mind when everyone and their mother is calling for him to be cut in the offseason, he has brought a lot to this orginaztion during his years with us.

Posted by: Stu27 | November 24, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Also, why didn't Brandon Jacobs play yesterday?

Posted by: dcsween | November 24, 2008 10:48 AM |

Because they were saving him for the Redskins' game....

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 24, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

... Our special teams still stink. ...

Posted by: psps23 | November 24, 2008 10:47 AM

The only guy who seemed to have big game was Kareem Moore. I'm not going to use the "T" word, but I think I witnessed some significant fall off in having to rely on our second string gunner and/or jammer. By this time in the season, special teams units should be improving/being more cohesive/able to intuit where each other are on the field. The "T" word ... and I'm serious.

Posted by: dcsween | November 24, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

+++Rush Limbaugh is writing kind words about Zorn,+++Steinberg

Of course he is. The fat pig is jealous that Zorn is riding a bike with Bush, which he couldn't do with a bushel of Oxycontin and three slaves pushing his Schwinn.

Posted by: TheCork | November 24, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Yeah brown, that is why i got rid of the sunday ticket 2 years ago. I got it when i frist moved up here and didnt need it except fro twice.

Posted by: Zeebs | November 24, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Also, why didn't Brandon Jacobs play yesterday?

Bad knee...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 24, 2008 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Also, why didn't Brandon Jacobs play yesterday?

Bad knee...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 24, 2008 10:56 AM

Hopefully, Dr. Blache will prescribe some LTF for that.

Posted by: dcsween | November 24, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Umm ... LFM

Posted by: dcsween | November 24, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

The "T" word ... and I'm serious.

Posted by: dcsween | November 24, 2008 10:53 AM

T? Torrence? Tryon? That guy was a boob on the long kickoff return. Tryon went to the inside when he should have forced the runner to the inside. Runner got around him and kept going.

I'm officially in Jasno's camp: should have cut Tryon, kept Torrence.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 24, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

4thFloor, those games you mentioned were LAST YEAR! Last year we won primetime games...never this year.

So we play yet another team with a 3-4 defense on primetime? Thank you so much, NFL :(

Posted by: Lisa_R | November 24, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

I wouldnt mind having to go to Arz, that place plays like a home field for us, playoffs wouldnt change a thing it would still be a skins crowd.

Posted by: Stu27

Not the same stadium. The Cardinals--fiercest Robin sized bird ever, per Letterman--got themselves a brand new stadium with a roof that opens.

I've seen a couple games at Sun Devil Stadium, where the crowds were about 50-50, and yes, it was like a home game. The new place, not so much, maybe.

Posted by: TheCork | November 24, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Cork,

Are you falling into that Cowgirls are all that BS. They have no chance to beat the Giants, they are going to get trucked by the Steelers as well.

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 24, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

The fat pig is jealous that Zorn is riding a bike with Bush, which he couldn't do with a bushel of Oxycontin and three slaves pushing his Schwinn.

Posted by: TheCork | November 24, 2008 10:55 AM

Poolman and his family?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 24, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

there goes junior's bball tournament attendance and rating!!

i'm with lisa! not another pt game!!!!

sween, jacobs got hurt against the dirty playing ravens. he hurt his knee. he didn't play most of the game against the ravens.

Posted by: dealer1 | November 24, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

++++special teams units should be improving/being more cohesive/able to intuit where each other are on the field. The "T" word ... and I'm serious.

Posted by: dcsween ++++

Let's start with the fact the punter sucks, and Suisham, while accurate, can't kick the ball off Granma's porch. A 43 yarder SHORT!! Really? High School kids kick 43 yarders.

Rock is never a threat to get beyond the thirty and Randle El averages about five yards per return.

But yes the tackling on ST is off...Hmmm. Who is missing from that unit? does his name start with "T."? Uh-oh.

Posted by: TheCork | November 24, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

What's happened to our run defense?

5 years of ignoring the front seven in personnel moves and expecting a bunch of undrafted fringe guys, extremely late picks who at best should be rotational backups, and past their prime guys(Taylor and Griffin)to play above their ability levels.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 24, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

PSP,

You didn't think Springs looked that good? I think he played a great game. We are better when he's in the game. He did get beat once that I can remember but he also plays closer to the LOS than the other corners most of the time.

Posted by: Gweez | November 24, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Cork,

Are you falling into that Cowgirls are all that BS. They have no chance to beat the Giants, they are going to get trucked by the Steelers as well.

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 24, 2008 11:00 AM

Agreed. And I'd bet that Baltimore hands them their taints in Dallas a la the public rape they just bestowed upon the Eagles yesterday. I'd be shocked if we don't see #20 in purple and black running back at least 2 Romo picks...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 24, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

It's not just the Cowboys the skins need to be aware of. It's Atlanta, Tampa, and Carolina as well. Atlanta has probably the easiest schedule remaining of all the WC-fighting teams. There is close to no room for error in this race. I think the skins need to pick up 1 of the next 2 (vs NYG or @ BAL), then clean up down the stretch (@CIN, @SF, vs PHI). If we do that, we pretty much sew up a WC berth.

Posted by: psps23 | November 24, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

skinz, springs was playing hurt and the hawks knew it that's why they kept throwing it his way. hopefully he's healthier against toomah. btw leigh's playing lights out football. i don't think hawks looked on his side once.

Posted by: dealer1 | November 24, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

btw...just in case no one else mentioned it...plexi-glass has a bad hammy...

Posted by: dealer1 | November 24, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

The cowgirls beat a terrible San Fran team......big deal.....they still suck and will still not make the playoffs.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 24, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

5 years of ignoring the front seven in personnel moves

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 24, 2008 11:03 AM

Huh? Andre Carter? Rocky MacIntosh? Jason Taylor? London Fletcher? This is not "ignoring the front seven in personnel moves."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 24, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

I've been down on Springs for his injury bug this season but I thought he played well enough yesterday. Showed some rust but did a pretty good job.

He could be a huge help against the Gints next week keeping Plaxico in check and allowing Rogers to match up with Toomer and leaving Smoot or Hall on Smith.

I'm still not counting on him playing the rest of the way.

Posted by: Original_etrod | November 24, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

They don't need him, he's a luxury, their still nasty without him.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 24, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Gweez - He looked a step slow to me. I think he was only beat once for a reception, but another time he was beaten pretty badly down the sideline, only Hasselbeck underthrew the pass and allowed Springs to recover and break it up. I'm not sure that he's all the way back yet. Of course I'm saying this with the back-to-back Boldin/TO shutdowns in mind, so I have high expectations.

Posted by: psps23 | November 24, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

btw gints are only favored by 3...

Posted by: dealer1 | November 24, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Huh? Andre Carter? Rocky MacIntosh? Jason Taylor? London Fletcher? This is not "ignoring the front seven in personnel moves."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 24, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Fletcher was the only move there that was a good one, Rocky is average but he can't cover a tight end to save his life (see Carlson, John on Sunday), Carter has had one decent season and hasn't had a good game yet this year overall extremely mediocre, and Taylor well that was just dumb. Griffin was a good signing but hasn't been reliable for 3 seasons now, and Fletcher is a manimal, but when you win games in the trenches the majority of your personnel there shouldn't be retreads, undrafted guys, 6th & 7th round picks, and Bruce Smith type signings.

Posted by: zjfr2 | November 24, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Lisa, the Giants game is only one game..

WE ARE LAST YEAR's NYGIANTS.

We are 3-3 @ home

BUT, We are 4-1 away and on a 4 game winning streak.......

But no one is seeing what I am seeing, yet...

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 24, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

I'm officially in Jasno's camp: should have cut Tryon, kept Torrence.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 24, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Wow, this really is a day full of Damascene Revelations from you, t_e!

Posted by: Redcoat | November 24, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Ah yes, Sun Devil Stadium, also known as RFK west, (well, for that matter, Meadowlands West, Cowboys Stadium West and Whatever the hell they call Philadelphia's stadium this week West)

I went to three games in a row out there, Cardinals would start off well, and then the 'skins would take over the game - by the end of Q3 - the crowd would be a 'skins crowd

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 24, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

with that line i think vegas is looking at the following:

1. jacobs hurt
2. plexi hurt
3. 3 game lead over the east for NYG and 2 game lead over any NFC team. so they don't need/want this as bad as the skins do.
4. sean taylor's number retiring night

Posted by: dealer1 | November 24, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Just for kicks and giggles, how many special teams tackles did Torrence have, and where was he ranked on the team in ST tackles??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 24, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

++++As for defense, stopping the run will be the big concern. A week after Marion Barber went for 114, including running rampant on the Skins in the fourth quarter, Maurice Morris got 103 without even really trying on just seven carries. The perimeter rush plugging was weak, with Demetric Evans having an off game and the rest of the bunch at that position not especially stout at it.

If they get gashed at anything close to this rate Sunday, the Giants will cruise.+++--JASNO


Opponents have discovered the Redskins are weak off tackle against the run, thanks to their micro-mini DEs. Evans is 280 and, as you noted had an off game, but teams are running at Taylor (245) and Carter (250) with great effect. The outside backers, Blades and Mac aren’t oversized either, so they’re ineffective against off tackle power.

Okay flounder and Brownwood, time to jump in an disagree…

Posted by: TheCork | November 24, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

"I have spent more time than anyone else on this blog defending Betts against charges that he fumbles at critical times. I found and posted statistics to show that CP fumbles more frequently than Betts.

What a waste of time and energy. Never again. I was wrong. I wasn't just wrong: I was a doofus.

I am posting this four more times this week as a form of penance. I feel like I'm walking around with a "kick me" sign on my butt.


Posted by: talent_evaluator"

Yeah cause good players never make mistakes.

Get over it.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | November 24, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

btw...the blitzing worked last night didn't it? i vote yes! on blitzing!

Posted by: dealer1 | November 24, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

i say win the nyg game and then give the team a bye week against the ravens.

Posted by: dealer1 | November 24, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Jacobs isn't hurt. He was listed probable all week long on the injury report leading up to the Arizona game.

They deactivated him at the last minute. He is healthy and was being saved for late/post season........

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 24, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Good stuff on McNabb on the league, Cindy, whoever convinced Vermeil to do some blogging for da post was a genus

Posted by: alex35332 | November 24, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Damn, Truth, you're just a salty dog today...

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 24, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

"skinz, springs was playing hurt and the hawks knew it that's why they kept throwing it his way. hopefully he's healthier against toomah. btw leigh's playing lights out football. i don't think hawks looked on his side once.

Posted by: dealer1 "

sorry, didn't see the game but come on, Springs playing hurt? No freaking way.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | November 24, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Be sure to keep an eye on #24 tonight. I heard the NCAA has approved the use of a private plane to take Leigh Torrence from a Federal Court in New York, where he'll have filed trademark infringement charges (acting as his own counsel, of course) against Lawrence Taylor and LaDanian Tomlinson for trying to use the "LT" moniker, to New Orleans just in time for kickoff (on which he will make a tackle inside the 5).

Posted by: PatM1 | November 24, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Cork,

I do not disagree with you just to do it, we are week against the run the last couple of weeks, and we need Blache to come up with a way to stop the Giants run.

Morris had 14 carries for 103 yards.

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 24, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

WE ARE LAST YEAR's NYGIANTS.

We are 3-3 @ home

BUT, We are 4-1 away and on a 4 game winning streak.......

But no one is seeing what I am seeing, yet...

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 24, 2008 11:12 AM

If this is true, we lose on Sunday and win the rest of our games. Let's watch...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 24, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

4th, you crazy! You say he's not hurt then you say he was on their injury report?

Posted by: dealer1 | November 24, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Opponents have discovered the Redskins are weak off tackle against the run, thanks to their micro-mini DEs. Evans is 280 and, as you noted had an off game, but teams are running at Taylor (245) and Carter (250) with great effect. The outside backers, Blades and Mac aren’t oversized either, so they’re ineffective against off tackle power.

Okay flounder and Brownwood, time to jump in an disagree…

Posted by: TheCork | November 24, 2008 11:14 AM

I don't disagree with that. But of course, you're about 2 years late to that party by throwing that out at the end of the 2008 season...

And like Flouder, I'm not disagreeing with you for sh!ts and giggles--I disagreed with you because huffing the fumes from the Dallas Bandwagon has been known to cause extensive brain damage. Just ask the moronic talking heads on ESPN that think Dallas has a "favorable" remaining schedule. Home dates against Baltimore and NY Giants and on the road vs. Pittsburgh is "favorable"? For who?

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 24, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

4th, you crazy! You say he's not hurt then you say he was on their injury report?

Posted by: dealer1 | November 24

As probable. which means will play. The Cards filed a complaint with the league because of it.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 24, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Jacobs isn't hurt. He was listed probable all week long on the injury report leading up to the Arizona game.

They deactivated him at the last minute. He is healthy and was being saved for late/post season........

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 24, 2008 11:27 AM

No, pretty sure he is hurt. That would be the dumbest thing ever to start sitting starters before you've even won your division...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 24, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Just for kicks and giggles, what are the Redskins ranked defensively against the run?? Just you know, for curiousity's sake...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 24, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Great

Posted by: skinsfanforracialfairness | November 24, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

I think Marcus Washington is a good LB, when healthy he is very valuable to this team--when healthy.

If people are calling for his release, it's not because we're "haters" or don't appreciate what he brings to the team. The truth is that he can't stay healthy, he just turned 31 last month, and counts for nearly 6.5 million this year and next. Based on those facts, I think they should part ways with him at the end of the season.

Sometimes relationships run their course. (See: McNabb, Donovan & Jordan, Eddie) and you have to realize that its time to move on. Don't be sad that it's over, just be glad it happend.

Or something to that effect...

Posted by: RedDMV | November 24, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

As I scan the posts, I'm seeing flashes of "Leigh Torrence"...

I'm going to tell myself that my eyes were deceiving me and that we are really not still talking about Leigh Torrence...

Posted by: p1funk | November 24, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

What is the update on Fletcher??

If we are without Marcus W and Fletch for the Giants, then I say HB Blades plays in the middle and we drop J Taylor or A Carter to OLB, and start Demetric Evans...

Posted by: p1funk | November 24, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

We may need to look into having a package for what we think are running plays with 3-4 DT's and standing Taylor at LB, I thought Alexander and Evans overall get fairly consistent penetration and maybe putting them at end now and then on 1st and 10 would be a way to hurt teams on the stretch runs.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 24, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

According to ESPN - we are 7th in the league in rushing defense and 4th in the conference

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | November 24, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

truth is that he can't stay healthy, he just turned 31 last month, and counts for nearly 6.5 million this year and next.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 24, 2008 11:46 AM

And that's 31 in linebacker-years, which is equal to 45 in human years and 163 in dog years.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 24, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Just for kicks and giggles, what are the Redskins ranked defensively against the run?? Just you know, for curiousity's sake...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 24, 2008 11:42 AM

There's still another game tonight, so the updated rankings won't be out until tomorrow. But going into this week the Skins were #7 against the run, giving up 3.9 ypc and 89.3 per game.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 24, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Thanks guys for the updates on where the Skins rank against the run.

Cork, your thoughts?

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 24, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

TOTAL OFFENSIVE YARDS Skins 3749 opponents 2992

OFFENSE (Plays-Average Yards) Skins 712 - 5.3 opponents 617 - 4.8

TOTAL RUSHING YARDS Skins 1581 opponents 982

RUSHING (Plays-Average Yards) Skins 341 - 4.6 opponents 249 - 3.9

TOTAL PASSING YARDS Skins 2168 opponents 2010

PASSING (Comp-Att-Int-Avg) Skins 220 - 343 - 3 - 6.9 opponents 196 - 351 - 10 - 6.0

Posted by: alex35332 | November 24, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Glad I could help, Greg. If we all listen to Cork you'd think we're the Detroit f-ing Lions on defense and Dallas has already won the Super Bowl...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 24, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

4th, do you think because he didn't play in the ravens game (when it wasn't a blow out) and was listed on the injury report the next week. just maybe he IS hurt. and cardinals are complaining because he should've been downgraded to Q and not P if he WAS that hurt?

don't you just love the conversations up here after a win? booooooooooooooring!

Posted by: dealer1 | November 24, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

The only stats that matter are points for/against and Win/Losses....

Unfortunately the Skins have not been able to translate statistical superiority at many aspects of the game into points. Considering that they are pretty decent without it, IF they they can fix this key problem they can be a team that threatens to do something, if not....its the Norv Years 2.o.

Posted by: chrislarry | November 24, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

I was always curious to see the 'skins in a 3-4. They wouldn't have to have it as their base defense. Multiple teams do this or have in the past.

Is the terminology that much different in a 3-4 scheme than a 4-3, or 4-6?

Throw the offense an uncle charlie every now and then, and give them different looks on defensive.

They will need bigger DEs--at least 280 and up, and a space eating NT (335+). At LB they'd be set with: Blades, McIntosh, and Fincher--not counting M. Washington or Fletcher, assuming they'll be in two years max. I think with either Buzbee or Wilson, you can develope those guys into a LB.

Like the Giants and Kiwi.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 24, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Just for kicks and giggles, how many special teams tackles did Torrence have, and where was he ranked on the team in ST tackles??

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 24, 2008 11:14 AM

ST tackles is a stat that I have concluded is impossible to find on the internet. No problem to find P, K, PR, KR stats (including broken down to situation), but for the life of me, I have searched the entire intergooglewebofnettubes and have been unable to uncover ST stats for public consumption.

I've only ever tried to follow ST play during a game, and finding the yardage differential at any point in the game (assuming that the 20 yard line is the starting point for change of possession). Last season, Skins rocked the ST change of possession game ... I figure it must have been the outstanding personal punt protection by Archuleta.

Posted by: dcsween | November 24, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

By the way, if anyone has gone on ESPN.com, the pic on the front features a rather downtrodden McNabb and Reid. High comedy...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 24, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: BeantownGreg | November 24, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Should be a fun mix of Skins and Ravens fans getting ready for a night game. Ticket prices on StubHub are pretty high, hopefully there will be a lot of burgandy and gold in the stands.

Posted by: PowerBoater69 | November 24, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Norv Turner is a natural born loser.

He took that team and put the good ol' Norv on 'em.

Some of it was on the GM for firing Marty, but they still had the same cast of characters.

Why is Ron Rivera just now taking over defensive playcalling? Wasn't that his gig in Chicago when the Bears was known as one of the better defenses in the league?

Oh and, what the hell happened to Brian Urlacher? If it wasn't for the Old Spice commercial, I'd forget about him.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 24, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

If they can run on the Giants, they have a chance. If they can't, they're in big trouble.

I think this will be a close game - aren't almost all Redskin games close ones - but they have to stick with the run, or Campbell will be running...for his life.

Posted by: shaunsherman12 | November 24, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

National night games stink. Too many friggin commercials disrupt the flow of the game. And John Madden is a tired old fart.

Posted by: VeloStrummer | November 24, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Considering that they are pretty decent without it, IF they they can fix this key problem they can be a team that threatens to do something, if not....its the Norv Years 2.o.

Posted by: chrislarry | November 24, 2008 12:01 PM

That would be the Norv Years 3.0. Norv 2.0 is happening right now in San Diego.

Posted by: dcsween | November 24, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Campbell excuse my french..sucks!If he ever scored more than one TD in a game it would be a miracle.10 TD's in 11 games. wow..thats a whole 6 points a game. If they had put him when needed starting(actually from game one) we would probably be maybe 10 and one now..not scrambling for a measley 3 points late in the 4th cause our offensive machine sucks

Posted by: ThewomaninRed | November 24, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

GREAT! Just what we need, another nationaly televised game. We've scored a TOTAL of 23 points in our three previous night games. That's 8 points per game. Let's be realistic, 7-6 is looking like a good(or bad) possibility. We have no offense!

Posted by: vegasskinsfan | November 24, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

JUST ANOTHER EGG-LAYING OPPORTUNITY IN PRIME TIME FOR THE SKINS. OTHER GOOD TEAMS HAVE SHOWN THAT EVEN WITH THE VAUNTED RAVEN'S DEFENSE, THAT THEY COULD STILL BE HAD. LET'S SEE IF THE SKINS CAN DO IT.

Posted by: keedrow | November 24, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

From yesterday:

Skins fan 1st & 4most, but notes from today's Eagles/Ravens game which I attended (w/ the Ravens the main focal point):

1) The Ravens D is the Ravens D: 3-4 defense, which has given the Skins fits (see Pittsburgh, Dallas, Cleveland). While Ray is still Ray, Suggs is Suggs, Ed Reed is a future hall-of-famer (what a return today, Deion-like in returns), the real story of their defense is Hatoti Ngata, their nose tackle, who controlled the line of scrimmage against a below average Eagles running game w/ Westbrook and Buckhalter (injured during the game) hurt, which means Rabach better ball against his former employer, which hasn't happened in the previously mentioned 3-4 games.

2) Baltimore's O is run first, pass second, as it's always been. Derrick Mason is clearly their go-to, w/ Clayton making occasional plays, like the TD he had. Flacco still doesn't see the field that great, as he did not see Heap open on a few plays today. Willis didn't do anything today, but the Skins will see a healthy dose of LeRon McLain and Ray Rice. Flacco is a game manager, not wanting to force mistakes, throwing the ball into the stands on a lot of plays today.

3) The Ravens weakness is at their corners. McNabb threw picks because he underthrew passess to receivers who clearly had guys beat, but Rex Ryan is one to design blitzes just like his daddy, which contributed to the underthrows. Moss and Randle El can get behind their corners against man-to-man coverage with ease, but Jason's gotta have time to throw the rock (a pretty big if).

Bottom line: The Skins must take away Mason and get pressure in Flacco's face to beat them. They've shown a recent weakeness of letting tight ends get behind them, so I see them trying to throw to Heap a lot down the middle and misdirection. Still, there WILL be a burgendy and gold invasion in BMore come 12/7, so Skins nation should represent like Steelers fans did @ FedEx. Jason has gotta make plays and the Oline must pass protect, because more than likely, the Ravens D will shut down Portis.

Lastly, Why doesn't anyone recognize that the last 2 games the Skins D has finally missed Philip Daniels, their best run-defending DE?

Posted by: bernard_thompson | November 24, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

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