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Skins Land Jarmon for 3rd-Round Pick (Updated)

The Redskins selected Kentucky defensive end Jeremy Jarmon in this afternoon's supplemental draft.

Washington selected Jarmon in the third round and does now not have a third-round pick in 2010. They'll also be without a sixth-round pick, from the Jason Taylor trade. Jarmon entered the draft after testing positive for a banned supplement in February and losing his final year of eligibility following an appeal in May.

"I really enjoyed talking with some of the office guys on the phone, Vinny was great, had a chance to meet with him down in Lexington," Jarmon said in a conference call with members of the media. "Also [defensive line] coach [John] Palermo and a couple other guys that were there and just the impressions I got from them, they were honest, we had interesting conversations that were non-football related, football-related and they just wanted to sit me down and get to know me as a person and figure out who I was. I'm just really looking forward to coming to Washington. It was definitely the team I wanted to end up coming to. I sent [executive vice president of football operations] Vinny [Cerrato] a text message this morning ... and I told him I want to be a Redskin, make it happen. It's a place I waned to be and I'm just glad that dream came true for me. He responded in the ultimate way to my text message by drafting me today."

Cerrato said the team took Jarmon in the third round because several teams were interested in taking him in the fourth. And after selecting the defensive end, Cerrato said he got a text message from Detroit Lions General Manager Martin Mayhew saying the Lions thought they would get him in the fourth.

In an interview with Doc Walker on ESPN 980, Cerrato said that Redskins scouts had second-round grades on Jarmon.

"He's already graduated, which is good and I think this: I think he's smart, he's tough, he's willing to listen and he's willing to work," Cerrato said on the show. "That was [defensive line coach John] Palermo's comments after he worked him out ... Those are four things you really like to hear. ...

"You see it on film, when you get tired you still chase. I think he has that in him and he'll get more I think from being around our guys and seeing what pro ball is about."

Cerrato also said he thinks Jarmon would have gone in the second round next April after a full combine workout and that his availability in the supplemental draft, when fewer coaches are coming to work him out, helped in Washington's favor.

Drafting Jarmon "gives us more size and it gives us young depth," Cerrato told Walker.

"I thought that it was a situation that you get a chance to get a big defensive lineman and he gets a chance to come in, learn from two veteran guys and he's 21 years old and got the size," Cerrato said in a conference call with members of the media. "If he had gone through the combine, he probably would have gone in the second round because defensive linemen always go high come draft time. You get a quality player at a quality price. I don't think we could have gotten him in the third next April."

It is the first time the Redskins have selected a player in the supplemental draft.

By Paul Tenorio  |  July 16, 2009; 1:49 PM ET
 
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Comments

This is the first good thing we have done in awhile

Posted by: lowtharofthehill | July 16, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

BAM!

Posted by: psps23 | July 16, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Well lets see how it goes.

Posted by: CheyenneWY | July 16, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: alex35332 | July 16, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Finally, a focus on at least one of the lines. I'll take it.

Of course, we're now heading into next year's draft with 5 selections.

Posted by: psps23 | July 16, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

wait, I thought brown said we were using a 1st on this guy??

kidding, I kid....


Good move..I like this a lot.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 16, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Vinny will be on 980 in 15 or so.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 16, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

psps23

5? Where did the other one go?

Posted by: alex35332 | July 16, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

This doesn't mean we lose our 3rd rounder next year, it just means we took him in the 3rd round of the supp draft, correct?

I dont know much about supp drafts but Im assuming they are not a full draft for every team?

Posted by: Rypien11 | July 16, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Which is exactly why they'll spend a 1st.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 16, 2009 12:33 PM

So, brownwood said they'd take him in the first. You're wrong again. You agreed to push a peanut around the Washington Monument with your nose if you were wrong this time. Now, pay up.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 16, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

5? Where did the other one go?

Posted by: alex35332 | July 16, 2009 2:01 PM

Miami, for Taylor.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 16, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Good Stuff! Awsome!

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 16, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Nevermind, we do lose next years 3rd. great.

Posted by: Rypien11 | July 16, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

ryp, thats exactly what it means, we now have no 3rd rounder in next years draft. its like getting a jump on the 2010 draft

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 16, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Rypin,
From what I have seen it means we did give up our 3rd round pick for him. Usually people don't go that high from what I can tell.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 16, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Ryp - We just used our next year's 1st rounder.

To me, that's a good thing. We get to use the player I year earlier this way....

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 16, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Good pick up I think. A year under Daniels and Wynn should pave dividends down the road for Jarmon.

Posted by: TWISI | July 16, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

wasn't Kosar, a first round pick in the supplemental, and Steve Walsh??

Anyone else get picked??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 16, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Vinny on now...

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 16, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Not 1st rounder, 3rd rounder.

So its pretty much like an auction? The teams go in order of the real draft, and don't have to pick unless they want to? But they still have to bid against other teams?

Posted by: Rypien11 | July 16, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Vinny:

* Protypical DE
* Can run really good
* Had dinner with Danny and JZ the next day after his workout
* Will play lots of STs this year
* Will learn to play DE in the NFL through Wynn and Daniels (which I may add I said the same thing earlier)

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 16, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

4th can you paraphrase...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 16, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Maybe they'll have him compete with Orakpo for SLB!

Posted by: mburns134 | July 16, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

The teams go in order of the real draft, and don't have to pick unless they want to? But they still have to bid against other teams?

Posted by: Rypien11 | July 16, 2009 2:08 PM

No, more complicated than that:

http://football.about.com/od/miscinformation/a/supplementdraft.htm

The league uses a weighted three-step, semi-lottery system to determine the order of the supplemental draft as follows:

•Teams with six wins or less participate in the first lottery for the top supplemental draft picks. The team that posted the worst record among that group is given a weighted advantage over the following team, with each team's "weight" being decreased on down the line until reaching the team with the best record in the group.

•The second group consists of non-playoff teams and follows the same weighted system.

•The third group consists of last season's 12 playoff teams and, again, follows the same lottery system.
After the order is determined, each team submits to the league the name of the player(s) they are interested in, as well as the round of the supplemental draft they would like to choose them in. The team that submits the highest bid is awarded rights to the player. If more than one team bids a pick from the same round, the team with the highest pick in the round wins out.

If a team uses a pick in the Supplemental Draft, they must forfeit their choice in the corresponding round of the next years NFL Draft.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 16, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Know what, I do like this move, this is the opposite of what we did with the Taylor play, this is a young guy.

gonna do a summery of the vinny interview for those who don't hear it.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 16, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Am I the only one who realizes that to properly play D-End in a 4-3 it takes LESS weight than in other systems?

Dude rotated at defensive tackle in college, and people are acting like he's a linebacker prospect for the NFL.

Posted by: psps23

Looks to me like Orakpo either passed the audition at LB or they are having Buyer's remorse for him as a full time DE.

Posted by: TheCork | July 16, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Pretty happy with this pick.

Posted by: Gweez | July 16, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

thanks 4th, good stuff...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 16, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Got text from a former Redskin who is now a GM saying the had him pegged in the 4th. (MAyhew from Lions)

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 16, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

So who do we think just lost their roster spot after this move?

Posted by: edvar | July 16, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Vinny's show starts on July 31st....

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 16, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse


Here is a summery of what Vinny said. It sounds like excited Vinny, not silly dumb Vinny from his radio show, you can tell by his voice that he thinks that he just made the move of the month.

Watched the film from him over last year and 2-3 games from the year before, games against bigger teams like Tennessee & Florida. They are saying that he needs to improve the strength. He sees a lot of Daniels/Wynn in his personality and seems to indicate that he wants him to learn from them. Talking about the 1 on 1 dinnerviews a bit. Sounds like they want to bring him allong smart, start on special teams. Says that he is smart. Says others wanted him in the 4th so he heard, sees him as a replacement for the old guys at RE. Said that he had a 2nd round grade on him for next year right now. Mike Williams is down to 354 lbs and Chris Samuels is down to 18% body fat, them allong with Doc and a few others are working out together.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 16, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

@ edvar--Buzbee

Posted by: docjohnson | July 16, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Expects Mike Will to be 345 lbs by the time he shows up for camp.

Sameuls down to 18 (or 8?) percent body fat.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 16, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Looks to me like Orakpo either passed the audition at LB or they are having Buyer's remorse for him as a full time DE.

Posted by: TheCork | July 16, 2009 2:14 PM

How many more years on Carter's contract? Maybe they see this guy replacing Carter.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 16, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Vinny said big Mike Williams is done to 354.

He also said the Skins took a player (in the 2009 NFL draft) to dinner who was so arrogant nobody liked him and there was no way they would have picked him. Said this player was drafted before we picked.

Wonder who it is?

Posted by: Lisa_R | July 16, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

@ edvar--Buzbee

Posted by: docjohnson | July 16, 2009 2:18 PM |
That's the name I was picking out of the hat as well.

Competition is good.

Posted by: edvar | July 16, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

al thanks. good stuff, I'm really liking this move...after this year, give Daniels a position on the team as a strength coach...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 16, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Paid a pretty steep price, but I guess it's difficult to gauge the interest of other teams.

Posted by: JinxMan | July 16, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

If this kid and ball then one of the following has to go: Daniels, Wynn, or R Jackson???

Posted by: Devo2 | July 16, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

I think this is a good pick for us, even with giving up the 3rd rounder next year, wasnt he projected at one point to be a late first rounder, second round pick...he also plays DE in the SEC against pretty good OL..A.Carter sucks and the other two are almost 40 and werent that good to begin with.

Posted by: mhartz1 | July 16, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

How many more years on Carter's contract? Maybe they see this guy replacing Carter.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 16, 2009 2:19 PM

He restructured his contract to get a big SJK option bonus (like $8Mil) in 2010 that I am sure the skins will not exercise if it is an uncapped year. ARE has the same deal and I expect this year to be his last year as well. But, they will work their butts off to get that next contract from their next team.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 16, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

No way they can cut mason, so its gotta be either Malcolm Kelly, or Fred Davis.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 16, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if they cut Wynn now?? or Wilson/ Buzzbee or Jackson??

How big is Jarmon?

Beantown, def like Daniels becoming a strength coach for the skins when done

Posted by: mhartz1 | July 16, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Sameuls down to 18 (or 8?) percent body fat.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 16, 2009 2:19 PM

More likely 18. For a guy his size that's impressive. That's a lot of lean mass.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 16, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

From what I heard I thought that Orakpo was gonna end up at Left End in the long run, replacing Carter and this guy will take Right End. I think I heard that from Florio when he was on Big O and Dukes after the draft.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 16, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

one of the following has to go: Daniels, Wynn, or R Jackson???

Posted by: Devo2 | July 16, 2009 2:22 PM

I don't think any of these dudes has to go. Buzbee will be 1st....

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 16, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

JinxMan actually they got him at the bottom half in the third round pick #19. Not too bad for a need position

Posted by: TWISI | July 16, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Vinny said big Mike Williams is done to 354.

He also said the Skins took a player (in the 2009 NFL draft) to dinner who was so arrogant nobody liked him and there was no way they would have picked him. Said this player was drafted before we picked.

Wonder who it is?

Posted by: Lisa_R | July 16, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

My guess would be Mauluga based on the way he plummeted.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 16, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

A good move in that by the time we would have made the same pick next year, this guy will have a year of experience under his belt. A golf clap for the FO.

Alex Buzbee we hardly knew ya!

Posted by: Predator48 | July 16, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Glad to see Bean is staying on top of his game.

Posted by: edvar | July 16, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

one of the following has to go: Daniels, Wynn, or R Jackson???

Posted by: Devo2 | July 16, 2009 2:22 PM

I don't think any of these dudes has to go. Buzbee will be 1st....

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 16, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

I forgot about him, and you could be right. I did like his interview on Redskins Nation the other night. Oh well...

Posted by: Devo2 | July 16, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

How many more years on Carter's contract? Maybe they see this guy replacing Carter.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 16, 2009 2:19 PM

I believe it's essentially a one year deal. No cap ramifications if he's let go next year

Posted by: TWISI | July 16, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Actually, someone will just have to have an *cough* Injury *cough* in preseason an go on injured reserve for the year. We can't lose any young players because this will be the last hurrah for many older folks on the team, especially on DLine.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 16, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

who's to say we will lose a D linemen for the spot to open up? Maybe we dump some other spot filler?

Posted by: alex35332 | July 16, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

A bold move by Vinny. I hope it works out well. Welcome to the Redskins Mr. Jarmon.

Posted by: jeremybozz | July 16, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Wonder who it is?

Posted by: Lisa_R | July 16, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

My guess is Maybin.

Posted by: TWISI | July 16, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

I think this likely means bad news for one of the following:

Renaldo Wynn
Rob Jackson
Buzbee
Lorenzo Alexander
Cornelius Griffin
That's what I think. Its a great pick, but if they stash him on the practice squad he could be gone right?

Posted by: Veretax | July 16, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

I said seconds before it was announced. a 2nd pick was too much a 3rd would get him. My god I agreed with the front office, must be the 3-4 hours sleep.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 16, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

"Got text from a former Redskin who is now a GM saying the had him pegged in the 4th. (MAyhew from Lions)

Posted by: 4thFloor"

Which sounds about right. A 4th rounder this year is worth a 3rd rounder next year, roughly.

Posted by: psps23 | July 16, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

My guess would be Mauluga based on the way he plummeted.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 16, 2009 2:29 PM

It was a top 12 pick. Couldn't be Rey..

I am willing to bet my house it was Maybin. That's LaVar's (and PSP's) boy. I think he is from the area and chose PSU because LaVar....

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 16, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

I think this likely means bad news for one of the following:

Renaldo Wynn
Rob Jackson
Buzbee
Lorenzo Alexander
Cornelius Griffin

You need to take Griff off that list. He is a starter. Rob Jackson should really watch his back in training camp tho.

Posted by: Predator48 | July 16, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

"Looks to me like Orakpo either passed the audition at LB or they are having Buyer's remorse for him as a full time DE.

Posted by: TheCork | July 16, 2009 2:14 PM"

Way too early to tell. Carter, Griffin, Daniels, and Wynn are only around until 2011, at the longest (due to short contracts and/or renegotiated deals).

We just got a 2010 draft prospect a year early. Maybe Vinny finally realized the importance of planning ahead.

Posted by: psps23 | July 16, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

He also said the Skins took a player (in the 2009 NFL draft) to dinner who was so arrogant nobody liked him and there was no way they would have picked him. Said this player was drafted before we picked.

Wonder who it is?

Posted by: Lisa_R | July 16, 2009 2:20 PM

I'm guessing that it was Cork. Dude was gone about 40 years before we picked.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 16, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

I have said it before and will again. This team is gonna load up the D this year, and then figure out the O next year when they decide on Zorn and JC.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 16, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

It was a top 12 pick. Couldn't be Rey..

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 16, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse


Doh! didn't read that last part.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 16, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

They said it was a dude in Orange and White. What schools wear Orange and White? Virginia?

Posted by: alex35332 | July 16, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

The D will be nasty this year, could very easily be #1 in the league.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 16, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Refresh the file....Quotes from Doc Walker show have been added. And, thanks to the wonders of Loseable Type, there was an earlier comment up here by me. But it was really by Keith McMillan. This is really me now, though. Honest.

Posted by: CindyBoren | July 16, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

So now that my self imposed ban on the Redskins has ended. What did i miss?

Posted by: NFeKPo | July 16, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

The reason I had Griff, Wynnn, and Jackson on the list is because given their former two's injury prone status, it wouldn't take much to get bumped I think. I doubt this guy does it, Jackson is probably toast though, if not buzbee.

Posted by: Veretax | July 16, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Eugene Monroe is the only one that I think makes sense to me from what I thought they were saying. I was only half listening.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 16, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

What schools wear Orange and White? Virginia?

Posted by: alex35332 | July 16, 2009 2:43 PM

Tennessee. But no team that picked before us is orange and white. Lot of gold. Maybe Vinnie's color blind?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 16, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

So now that my self imposed ban on the Redskins has ended. What did i miss?

Posted by: NFeKPo | July 16, 2009 2:45 PM

Jack Kent Cooke died. There's a new owner, Dan Snyder. Otherwise, not much.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 16, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Eugene Monroe is the only one that I think makes sense to me from what I thought they were saying. I was only half listening.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 16, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Thats the only person i could have thought that fits the profile too. If we passed on him casue of his attitude that would be well typically skins stupid. Not that we had a chance to land him anyways w/o some serious moves being made.

Posted by: Stu27 | July 16, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

And the guy already graduated! We got a smart one here.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 16, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

So now that my self imposed ban on the Redskins has ended. What did i miss?

Posted by: NFeKPo | July 16, 2009 2:45 PM

Sonny Jurgenson is now an announcer and no longer the Quarterback.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 16, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Orange and white... Tennessee? Texas? Syracuse? Oklahoma State?

Hold up... the Oranje? Did some Dutch dude get picked early in the first round?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | July 16, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Scefter was on the floor of the supplemental draft.

Scefter seems to have more access than JLaC. I thought he would have more moving over to the NFLN? And I thought Schefter's access would be reduced since he doesn't anymore....

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 16, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

I think Sanchez was dutch.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 16, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

If we passed on him casue of his attitude that would be well typically skins stupid.

Posted by: Stu27 | July 16, 2009 2:50 PM |

Huh? Passing on a guy because of his attitude makes a lot of sense to me. But if it was Monroe, he realized he would be gone long before the 'Skins picked and was probably telling them to stop wasting him time. Wahoo. Lot of class.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 16, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

My guess would be Mauluga based on the way he plummeted.

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 16, 2009 2:29 PM

It was a top 12 pick. Couldn't be Rey..

I am willing to bet my house it was Maybin. That's LaVar's (and PSP's) boy. I think he is from the area and chose PSU because LaVar....

Posted by: 4thFloor

---------------------

What was Deion's line in the pre-draft interview again?

Reporter: "So Deion, what would you think about possibly playing for (team name)?"

Deion: "What pick do they have again?"

Reporter: "10th."

Deion: "Oh, I'll already be gone by then."

Posted by: psps23 | July 16, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

There was a OT who was trying to get picked today, maybe we should tender him an offer too? Drafts over so why not have him in for a work out at minimum.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 16, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

t_e, I'm not saying Eugenius wasn't a jerk to DanVinci, but you're not baiting this Wahoo with that weak stuff about a lot of class.

Nope, not even in light of your Rambling Wreck's upset win the one and only time UVa was #1 in the land, during my first year, over which I still bear a grudge. I will not stoop to the level of your cheap digs.

I will simply say good day to you, sir.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | July 16, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

And the guy already graduated! We got a smart one here.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 16, 2009 2:51 PM

I'm not sure that "smart one" applies to a guy who lost his senior year for taking a banned diet supplement. But, I've always thought that "smart" is way overrated. If "smart" mattered you wouldn't have a University of Georgia.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 16, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Wat up toolz? You miss me. Commenting on the Skins is pointless.....the games will tell.

Posted by: chrislarry | July 16, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

t_e, I'm not saying Eugenius wasn't a jerk to DanVinci, but you're not baiting this Wahoo with that weak stuff about a lot of class.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | July 16, 2009 2:59 PM

Alumnus? Can you help my kids get into the U. of Va.? Wahoo!

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 16, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Redskins take a Defensive Lineman??????? WOW. Never thought I'd see the day we'd take Orakpo and Jarmon.

Posted by: Redskins2Win | July 16, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

O touche' Chris Lar-ray?

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 16, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

So now that my self imposed ban on the Redskins has ended. What did i miss?

Posted by: NFeKPo | July 16, 2009 2:45 PM

The Steve Spurrier era, and the cooresponding consistency at the quaterback position

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | July 16, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

T_E,
If he was taking a supplemental his coach/trainer gave him and thats what F***ed him, can't blame him.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 16, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

You miss me.

Posted by: chrislarry | July 16, 2009 3:00 PM

You bet. Hardly a day went by that someone wasn't saying "Where's ChriS LArrY?"

No, wait. It was "f ChRis lArry." Almost the same thing.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 16, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

I like the move assuming he grades out as a 3rd rounder. Next year Orapko and Carter will be the only guys we can expect to be getting any PT from the roster this year(wynn and daniels too old and no contracts, everyone else a scrub). We were gonna have to pick up 1-2 DE's next year so might as well get the guy now and let him develop for a year. Plus his size/skill set will make him a great complement to Orapko speed rushing from the other size. Since Orapko has better than average size for a speed rusher and was considered one of the better pass rushing prospects against the run we could project to a D-line that can stop the run as well as get to the QB(as opposed to now where Carter is below average against the run. The Giants and the Steelers have shown the last 2 years how valuable it can be to load up on pass rushers. We are now much better prepared in case of injury to daniels/wynn which wouldn't be a shock if one or both of them goes down for a large period of time. I like the move.

Posted by: SteveK25 | July 16, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

So let me make sure I got it right, the drafting this year has been 2-DE (one turning into OLB for the season) a CB, 2 LBs, a TE and a WR?

if we can keep the 5 Defensive guys we drafted thats a nice hot injection of young blood.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 16, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

T_E,
If he was taking a supplemental his coach/trainer gave him and thats what F***ed him, can't blame him.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 16, 2009 3:04 PM

Yes, you actually can blame him. He, not they, is responsible for what goes into his body.

But, are you saying that they gave it to him? Where did you read this? They would be out of sports for the rest of their lives if this were true.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 16, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Commenting on the Skins is pointless..

Fine. Let's talk about food then.

What's for dinner?

Posted by: daggar | July 16, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

the article I read said he stopped taking the supplement on UK staffs suggestion and then tested positive later. It's why he tested negative later cuz he was only on it briefly.

Posted by: SteveK25 | July 16, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Vinny says that he needs to gain strength but later says that they didn't pick a guy a couple of years ago because he would be 'enveloped ' by stronger offensive tackles. Says he's smart but had to give up his final year because of banned substances. Good guy to have dinner with though. At the combines you only get 15 minutes to talk with the guy and the agents train them on what to say. I guess they're not trained for dinner. SOS.

Posted by: starfer | July 16, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

My bad I misread what was posted in the last blog post on the substance.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 16, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

You miss me. ???
When i left we were in the mist of cL jokes. can't remember who the other person was but im sure it was some other tool.

Posted by: NFeKPo | July 16, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

When i left we were in the mist of cL jokes. can't remember who the other person was but im sure it was some other tool.

Posted by: NFeKPo | July 16, 2009 3:12 PM |

Can't be. CL is the only tool up here.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 16, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

A solid summery of this kids Career at UK http://www.lex18.com/Global/story.asp?S=10738648&nav=EQlp

This sounds like the perfect city for him. Degree in Political Science, wants to get into public service after his playing days.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 16, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Fine. Let's talk about food then.

What's for dinner?

Tonight I think angel hair wheat pasta with spicy turkey sausage marinara!

Posted by: chrislarry | July 16, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

No, more complicated than that:

http://football.about.com/od/miscinformation/a/supplementdraft.htm

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 16, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Yea right TE...if it were more complicated than that Vinny's head would've exploded and this never would've happened.

In seriousness, I do think this is a good move. As someone said, we get an extra year out of our 2010 pick. This guy is a classical Hubie Brown "high upside" dude - lots of talent (1st Team All SEC at Kentucky, impressive), highly motivated after a positive test...and from what I've read the positive test might've been a bit overblown. Would love to see him step in as an immediate starter opposite Carter, with Daniels, Buzbee, Orakpo (3rd down) rotating in.

Now if we can just iron out that minor detail known as Right Tackle...please, someone tell how we make this work because to me that's one of the top 3 issues going into training camp.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | July 16, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

CL has been missing for a while. As has the Truth....hmmmmm

Posted by: dlhaze1 | July 16, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

dlhaze, c'mon brother....you know I ain't the truth!

Posted by: chrislarry | July 16, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

You mean we got J.J.?

DYNOMITE!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: REDneckSKINhead | July 16, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Why is everyone hyped about this Jarmon kid? I'm excited about Marko

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 16, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

LMG, RT is going to be this skinny kid we picked up for a song, I think his name is Williams. Second chance kind of thing. Great story.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | July 16, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Hey I know CL.....just hope that he doesn't come back the same day you did....

Posted by: dlhaze1 | July 16, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Dude, that williams kid's down to 350 looking at 340? Doesn't that mean he has lost a supermodel's worth of weight?

Posted by: alex35332 | July 16, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

I really like this pick. Man are we shoring up our denfense. Jarmon is 6'3" 278 pound DE who won't have to start for us. He will learn from Daniels and Wynn and should be ready to come in and compete for a starting spot. Vinny said today that our O-line man Williams is down to 355 pounds. This guy is motivated. He has lost almost 95 pounds and is just 10 pounds off of his ideal weight of 345. There will be serious competition in training camp for that right tackle spot. I don't know who will be our starter right now, but whoever loses will be a great backup. Now all we need is one of these receivers to step up and play. I have a feeling that Marko Mitchell is going to get that last WR spot. I believe that this year will be Jason Cambell's best season and he will prove Snyder and Cerrato wrong and get a big pay day. GO SKINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: louloudekdek1 | July 16, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

i was nice knowing you r. jackson and buzbee...

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | July 16, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Nate came back yesterday, CL today. Was there a meeting I wasn't told about?

Posted by: alex35332 | July 16, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

So did all the guys who were eligible for the supplemental draft lose their last year of college eligibility due to testing positive for banned supplements?
Get it? It’s a joke……banned supplements….supplemental draft…….is this on?

Posted by: dlhaze1 | July 16, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

cHRIs,
I think 4th called that type of meal a little too metrosexual.
I think you can get away with that when you have a wife and kid, but don't cross the line and feed the young'un soy hot dogs.

That
is
just
wrong.

Posted by: daggar | July 16, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

* Will learn to play DE in the NFL through Wynn and Daniels (which I may add I said the same thing earlier)

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 16, 2009 2:12 PM

4th, you forgot to mention that those guys still need to train Buzbee, Jackson, Skolnitzky, and Derek Walker (the latter two who will be cut regardless). I don't think its a done deal that Wynn is back for good.

Also, my guess the arrogant guy who slid ... Duke Robinson ... from the 2nd round to the 5th? Gotta be.

Also, the scouting on this Jarmon fella is the film they watch of the top OTs in the draft, esp. Andre Smith/Alabama and Michael Oher/Mississippi. Both of those guys have a couple few years of film facing Jarmon.

Posted by: dcsween | July 16, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

daggar, 4th has very demanding food standards, metrosexy or not ... not even bacon wrapped pork tenderloin stuffed with jamon serrano survive ... though I just made myself drool on my keyboard.

Posted by: dcsween | July 16, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

But can a Jarmon gives directions like a Tom-Tom?

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 16, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

alex#####, that article about Jarmon sounds good (not as good as bacon wrapped pork tenderloin stuffed with jamon serrano good, but good nonetheless). That stuff about acting qualifies him for 4th Metrosexiest Man competition. What I read about why he had to enter the supplemental draft (i.e., banned substances) was that he was on diet pills (themselves presumably supplemental) ... so maybe, in addition to training from Daniels and Wynn, he also has a heart to heart with Mike Williams.

Posted by: dcsween | July 16, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

RT has to be the #1 issue -- closely followed by SLB, RG, and LDE...

Posted by: siris | July 16, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

I think this likely means bad news for one of the following:

Renaldo Wynn
Rob Jackson
Buzbee
Lorenzo Alexander
Cornelius Griffin
That's what I think. Its a great pick, but if they stash him on the practice squad he could be gone right?


Posted by: Veretax

Vinny said this will not affect Renaldo - and (this is from me - not Vinny) for sure they will not cut Cornelius or Lorenzo Alexander.

Posted by: Lisa_R | July 16, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Vinny said this will not affect Renaldo - and (this is from me - not Vinny) for sure they will not cut Cornelius or Lorenzo Alexander.

Posted by: Lisa_R | July 16, 2009 3:46 PM

... or trade (in a package with someone else, maybe one of the spare safeties) for a SLB.

Posted by: dcsween | July 16, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Scefter was on the floor of the supplemental draft.

Scefter seems to have more access than JLaC. I thought he would have more moving over to the NFLN? And I thought Schefter's access would be reduced since he doesn't anymore....

Posted by: 4thFloor

JLC is on the NFLN - has been for several weeks. The first week he was on the set and after that he was on via satellite. I have to say he is doing a great job - and dressing well! Think he may be on vacation this week.

Posted by: Lisa_R | July 16, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Well I agree with you sween that he is no bacon wrapped stuffed pork tenderloin, I do find these other interests fascinating, this guy sort of reminds me of what we used to hear about LaVar Arrington, crazy smart (used to play chess all the time), a renaissance man. Also it somewhat reminds me of what we see from Chris Cooley, who just seems to get his fingers stuck in everything (no pun intended).

The strength thing does worry me a bit, what does doing 19 reps on the bench press compare to with other players? How will it translate in his playing style?

Maybe he is more a 5 guys bacon cheese burger (the 2 paddy) with a bit of hot sauce.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 16, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Please, please, please. I swear I will never ask for anything ever again for Christmas if Orakpo-Jarmon turns out to be the second coming of Manley-Mann. Minus the substance abuse problems. Sorry, Dexter.

Posted by: pmaddeng | July 16, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

I think that The Truth is away at summer camp -

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | July 16, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Just updated again with quote from Jarmon.

Posted by: CindyBoren | July 16, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Jarmon's signing is probably a bad omen for Wynn, Wilson, and Buzbee. Wilson may only make the team as a backup SLB now.

The Skins could go with Orakpo, Daniels, Carter, Jackson, and Jarmon at DE. With Griffin, Haynesworth, Golston, Montgomery at DT.

Alexander and Wynn should complete for the final DL position, however I'd give the edge to Alexander due to his special team play.

Posted by: siris | July 16, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Scouts Inc. offers its evaluation of former Kentucky DE Jeremy Jarmon, who was taken in the 2009 supplemental draft by the Washington Redskins.
Category grades are on a scale from 1-5, with 1 being the highest.
Category Grade Evaluation

Production 2 2005: Redshirted; 2006: (13/6) 30 tackles, 6.5 TFL, 4 sacks, 4 PBU, 1 F, 1 FR; 2007: (13/13) 62 tackles, 13.5 TFL, 9 sacks, 2 PBU, 2 FF, 1 FR, Second-team All-SEC; 2008: (12/10) 38 tackles, 10 TFL, 4.5 sacks, 6 PBU, 2 FF, Honorable Mention All-SEC

H-W-S ratio 2 Prototypical height, bulk and top-end speed.

Durability 4 2008: Tears knee cartilage during Vanderbilt game, undergoes arthroscopic surgery and misses Tennessee game; 2005: Sustains shoulder injury during the summer and doesn't practice until midway though the season.

Intangibles 4 Ruled ineligible for 2009 season after testing positive for a banned substance Was UK's Co-Most Outstanding Defensive Player in 2007. Effort appears inconsistent on film.

Pass-rush skills 2 Explosive first step and should be able to turn the corner working against most NFL right tackles. Strong bull-rusher who flashes an effective push/pull move but didn't show on film the ability to set tackles up to the outside and then redirect inside.

Athleticism/versatility 2 Above-average lateral mobility for his size and looks fluid running line stunts. Agile and comfortable enough in space to move to outside linebacker in a base 3-4 scheme. Stout enough to develop into an effective power end for a base 4-3 team and effective 5-technique for a base 3-4 team.
Versus the run 3 Does an adequate job of staying low and anchoring when teams run at him. Can stack and shed tight ends/tackles. Flashes the ability to shed blocks in time to make plays at the line of scrimmage but is inconsistent in this area. Takes adequate pursuit angles and generally does a good job of closing down cutback lanes but lacks ideal range.

Instincts/competitiveness 4 Can rush too far upfield or collapse inside prematurely, making him vulnerable to misdirection, but his biggest flaw is an inconsistent motor. Appears to take plays off and can gear down when teams run away from him. Flashes a mean streak and plays with emotion at other times. Does an excellent job of getting his hands up when he sees the quarterback start a throwing motion. Does an adequate job of locating the ball carrier.

Overall From a purely physical standpoint Jarmon is capable of making an impact in the NFL. He could have played his way into being a first-day pick in the 2010 draft, but questionable instincts and recent off-the-field issues raise significant concerns for us.

Posted by: TWISI | July 16, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

I think that The Truth is away at summer camp -

Posted by: JohnDinHouston


LMAO! Nicely done.

Yeah, summer camp sounds about right.

For emo albinos.

I swear that dude is still in high school. And 4th called him my "twin seperated at birth".

I'm still beefin' about that one, dude.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 16, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

"Vinny: * Protypical DE"


I always find this funny and amusing.

"give me five more just like him! he's a prototype."

a word adopted out of regular realm of usage, and probably misused everytime its thus used.

Posted by: malcolmyoung1 | July 16, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

hope he works out. sounds like a minor basketcase rehab job, but those can work out.

not sure I understand the logic of using a third round pick because other teams (or at least just the detroit lions) might have him valued as a fourth rounder.

that doesn't make sense. every other team has valued this player lower, so we need to use a higher pick on him?

also, next years draft, already no 3rd round and no 6th rd. pick. ok, we get a player earlier, but with a deeper pool of talent a 3rd round pick gives you a lot more to choose from later.

Posted by: malcolmyoung1 | July 16, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Carter and Wilson are the only proven end rushers on the roster. Both are in.

Haynesworth, Griffin are starters, obviously they're in.

Golston and Monty back up two injury-prone starters - they're in.

Orakpo and Jarmon are high draft selections - they're in.

Daniels has been a proven starter in this scheme, and he's cheap - he's in.

Wynn is versatile, smart, and knows the scheme - but he's been lackluster the last few years and he's cheap to cut. Iffy.

Buzbee and Jackson are the least proven, the cheapest players on the roster, have no defined role, and aren't especially good in any one skill. One is also coming off an achilles tear. Both are very iffy.

The thing going for Buzbee, Jackson, and Wynn is the idea that Orakpo and/or Wilson could be LBs this season. That lowers the need to use extra roster spots on would-be fringe LBs. Should one or both fail at the LB transition, they'll both be ahead of Buzbee, Jackson, and likely Wynn on the depth chart at the position.

Posted by: psps23 | July 16, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

We need a prototype RT and a prototype possession reciever.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 16, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

I'll settle for generic versions

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 16, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Missed Alexander in that. He goes above Wynn, Buzbee, and Jackson -- on par with Wilson.

Posted by: psps23 | July 16, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Well hey, if the Lions were gonna take him he must be pretty good, right? How many games did they win last year again? Oh right....

Posted by: chombie13 | July 16, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

"Am I the only one who realizes that to properly play D-End in a 4-3 it takes LESS weight than in other systems? Dude rotated at defensive tackle in college, and people are acting like he's a linebacker prospect for the NFL.Posted by: psps23"

He's definitely no linebacker. If I had to guess, he's picked to replace Daniels in another year or so. And maybe play opposite Orakpo at some point.

Mike Williams sounds positively malnourished...

Posted by: Samson151 | July 16, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

not sure I understand the logic of using a third round pick because other teams (or at least just the detroit lions) might have him valued as a fourth rounder.

that doesn't make sense. every other team has valued this player lower, so we need to use a higher pick on him?

also, next years draft, already no 3rd round and no 6th rd. pick. ok, we get a player earlier, but with a deeper pool of talent a 3rd round pick gives you a lot more to choose from later.

Posted by: malcolmyoung1 | July 16, 2009 4:09 PM |

Vinny valued him higher than the Detroit Lions. Vinny said that he thought the guy would go in the second round next year. Now maybe Vinny's wrong, but his view is that he got a second rounder for the price of a third rounder, and he got him a year earlier so they could start coaching him up.

You may not agree that the guy's a second rounder, but I don't see why "the logic" is hard to follow. This seems like prototypical logic to me.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 16, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

psps23 did you forget about Lorenzo Alexander. Buzbee and Jackson are in trouble. Jackson can come back on the practice squad. Is Buzbee still eligible for the practice squad?

Posted by: TWISI | July 16, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

troll/d-bag alert....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 16, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Well hey, if the Lions were gonna take him he must be pretty good, right? How many games did they win last year again? Oh right....

Posted by: chombie13 | July 16, 2009 4:14 PM |

And if they'd grabbed him with their third round pick instead of letting the Redskins snatch him, they'd win three more games next year. That's why they're the Lions: They can't tell a good player when they see one.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 16, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Scouts Inc. is garbage. It might be the worst "scouting" service around.

Posted by: jesuisunpizza | July 16, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Scouts Inc. is garbage. It might be the worst "scouting" service around.

Posted by: jesuisunpizza | July 16, 2009 4:21 PM

No, that would be Matt Millen.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 16, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

I mean am I in the minoriy? Am I the only guy that steps outside during lunch not knowing who will steal my lunch money today and serve me up some weak heart stuffing food?

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 16, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

troll/d-bag alert....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 16, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse


Dam Beantown, I just got back

Posted by: chrislarry | July 16, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Great move. I guess Vinny isn't a complete idiot... so that makes him, what, an incomplete idiot?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 16, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

hope he works out. sounds like a minor basketcase rehab job, but those can work out.

not sure I understand the logic of using a third round pick because other teams (or at least just the detroit lions) might have him valued as a fourth rounder.

that doesn't make sense. every other team has valued this player lower, so we need to use a higher pick on him?
====================================

The logic makes perfect sense actually. The Lions would have used their fourth round pick on him. Because of their record this past season, the Lions pick is higher than the Skins. Because the Lions were involved, there was no way the Skins could have gotten this kid without using a 3rd round pick on him. It works the same way in the "real" draft in April. If a GM thinks somebody is going to draft a kid between his pick in one round and his pick in the next round, if he really wants the kid, he'll draft him perhaps a little higher than projected.

Also, this kid is NOT a "minor basketcase rehab job." The kid is an absolutely solid citizen who made a mistake based upon bad advice from an employee at a health food store and the fact that the product, allegedly, did not even contain the banned substance on its label. From what I have read elsewhere, the kid may have taken the exact same substance that got J.C. Romero of the Twins suspended for 50 games and Romero now suing the supplement maker for not including all of the ingredients on the product's label. Jarmon didn't name the supplement in his statement in May because Kentucky and the NCAA didn't want to get involved...beyond taking away the kid's eligibility that is.

Jarmon's already graduated and the kid was working on his second major. After he got the news that he was not eligible to play he still got on a plane for France in order to work on his studies. By all accounts, the kid is absolutely a solid citizen that made the mistake of taking something before asking UK's training staff if it was okay to take. He assumed that if it was sold in a store legally, all of the ingredients in it were legal to take. He was wrong. As soon as he told the UK staff about it they told him to quit taking it, but since the kid had been taking it for 15 days (during the offseason) the NCAA decided that was too long and took away his eligibility.

Posted by: CJMARTIN04 | July 16, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

I value 4th's food advice just slightly higher than his taste in politicians....

I mean he doesn't eat pork right? Pork is the greatest food stuff on earth.

Posted by: chrislarry | July 16, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

I think that The Truth is away at summer camp -

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | July 16, 2009 3:54 PM

Is that the "Think Positively - The Dawgs Can Beat the Gators This Year" camp?

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 16, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

"psps23 did you forget about Lorenzo Alexander. Buzbee and Jackson are in trouble. Jackson can come back on the practice squad. Is Buzbee still eligible for the practice squad?

Posted by: TWISI"

Yep, I did. He's above Wynn, Jackson, and Buzbee -- probably on par with Wilson (or maybe slightly above).

I personally don't see how Buzbee makes it. I think he's gone and Jackson will be a fringe guy, depending on where they think they'll need extra roster spots. I guess they could try and land him on the practice squad, if needed.

Posted by: psps23 | July 16, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Vinny valued him higher than the Detroit Lions. Vinny said that he thought the guy would go in the second round next year....

This seems like prototypical logic to me.

Posted by: talent_evaluator

give me five more just like it!

ok, talent that makes sense.

I was just reacting to this: "Cerrato said the team took Jarmon in the third round because several teams were interested in taking him in the fourth."

which is not prototype logic, standing on its own.

Posted by: malcolmyoung1 | July 16, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Agreed, this move is a good sign, you can never have enough Defensive Ends, who can
rush the passer. Very positive sign, build
for the future.

Posted by: madalao | July 16, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

L. Alexander is a roster lock...dudes that can play that many positions competently don't get cut while they are still young.

Posted by: chrislarry | July 16, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

sorry cl....I'm working on my 'inner' voice, and my 'outer' voice......that was supposed to be inner.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 16, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Pork is the greatest food stuff on earth.

Posted by: chrislarry | July 16, 2009 4:30 PM

Which is why we think you're nutz for putting turkey sausage in your mouth. What's that about?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 16, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

"Which is why we think you're nutz for putting turkey sausage in your mouth. What's that about?"

Variety my man!Plus when I suckle the sweat pig products I don't want nonsense like other ingredients in the way....

Posted by: chrislarry | July 16, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

noone - that's it, that's the camp where Truth is - I'm just not sure where in Georgia that camp is - I thought maybe we could send him a care package or something...

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | July 16, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

whoops bad misspelling! meant SWEET..."I suckle the sweat pig products" more describes my dating history while in my 20s.....

Posted by: chrislarry | July 16, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Cl comes back from his self imposed hiatus throwing haymakers to any and everybody.....

This Indian Food is giving me some serious heart burn. (Not what I was expecting for $8 Bucks)

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 16, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Looks to be a reasonable pick with the 3rd. Some flags, but also good upside. Just happy they're using picks to actually draft rather than overpay for bad trades.

Posted by: ts35 | July 16, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

RedDMV - You guys are like the movie 'Twins'. You can be Ahnold and the Truth DeVito...

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 16, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Wow, some things never change. No 3rd rounder next yr. and why not try and get and O lineman if thats the case? I got mixed feeling about this. They did need another young DE but an OT is more of a need. Not sure if there was any OT available worth taking though..

Posted by: ga8085 | July 16, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

So, 4th, you're saying that The Truth is probably away at Theatre Camp?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | July 16, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

This Indian Food is giving me some serious heart burn. (Not what I was expecting for $8 Bucks)

4th, are you kidding me?? I'd expect to get hearburn for 8 bucks...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 16, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

- This Indian Food is giving me some serious heart burn. (Not what I was expecting for $8 Bucks)

- 4th, are you kidding me?? I'd expect to get hearburn for 8 bucks...

Yeah kind of a duh situation there.....plus heartburn is sign you enjoyed your meal...no pain no gain and all that.

Posted by: chrislarry | July 16, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

There seems to be a lot of support coming from SEC fans, including from non-Kentucky fans. He looks to be a pretty highly thought of player, and by all accounts, a very good kid that made a fairly innocent mistake.

Posted by: psps23 | July 16, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

LMG, RT is going to be this skinny kid we picked up for a song, I think his name is Williams. Second chance kind of thing. Great story.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | July 16, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Color my cynical Nate, but I'm a tad Dennis leery of putting an overweight retred in at the 2nd most important position on the O-line...prove me wrong, Porkchop!!!

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | July 16, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

or an overweight retread, for that matter

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | July 16, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

This Indian Food is giving me some serious heart burn. (Not what I was expecting for $8 Bucks)

4th, are you kidding me?? I'd expect to get hearburn for 8 bucks...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 16, 2009 4:44 PM

We have a great BBQ place down the road a ways. They have a fantastic lunch buffet for like $7.95 w/drink (sweet tea for me).
Brisket, ribs, chicken, BBQ wings, southern-style veggies, salad, corn on the cob, slaw, biscuits, etc.. And no heart burn, although I take a Pepcid AC before I go, jut in case...

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 16, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

does anybody else think that if JLC was here there would be a terribly negative slant put on this story with a qualifier at the end to cover his ass if jarmon was good like "the kid is young so we'll see, he may be good"

Posted by: drewkinnear | July 16, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

You guys got quite a steal in Mr. Jarmon. Looking forward to seeing him on Sundays for a long time to come. Quality person and loves to work hard in order to dominate the opponent. I can truly say Washington is where he wanted to be. Makes me a bit of a 'Skins fans right along with my Titans. Best of luck.

Posted by: S_L_ | July 16, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Does anybody else think drewkinner should lighten up and move on? JLC hasnt been involved in over a month...move on...even Lisa gives him props for NFLN coverage....file that post under "duh" and "boring"

Noonefromtampa....How about I meet you next we for lunch? (un-sweetend tea)

Posted by: chrislarry | July 16, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

drewkinnear - The obvious 'They again will not have their full complement of draft picks next year' statement will surely be in there....

He seems to have the week off this week on the NFLN. Lombardi has been filling in. I don't know if they turned Schefter's job into a 2-man approach or what, but it seemed Schefter never took a day off.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 16, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

forgot chris larry smokes jlcs pole

Posted by: drewkinnear | July 16, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

sorry sweetie, gots to defend yo man!!

Posted by: drewkinnear | July 16, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

"I really like this pick. Man are we shoring up our denfense. Jarmon is 6'3" 278 pound DE who won't have to start for us. He will learn from Daniels and Wynn and should be ready to come in and compete for a starting spot. Vinny said today that our O-line man Williams is down to 355 pounds. This guy is motivated. He has lost almost 95 pounds and is just 10 pounds off of his ideal weight of 345. There will be serious competition in training camp for that right tackle spot. I don't know who will be our starter right now, but whoever loses will be a great backup. Now all we need is one of these receivers to step up and play. I have a feeling that Marko Mitchell is going to get that last WR spot. I believe that this year will be Jason Cambell's best season and he will prove Snyder and Cerrato wrong and get a big pay day. GO SKINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: louloudekdek1 "

Put DA KOOLAID DOWN MY FRIEND

we'll suck nuts again next year

Posted by: TheTruth11 | July 16, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

forgort drewkinnear gives boring monotony weekly reach-arounds.....


4th, I read that they were replaceing schefter with a team approach and using it as a chance to add reporters and beef up coverage.....now if only more than 1/4 of country actually got the network...

Posted by: chrislarry | July 16, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

"Is that the "Think Positively - The Dawgs Can Beat the Gators This Year" camp?

Posted by: noonefromtampa "

UGA > UF on the all-time wins list.

Keep up the great work.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | July 16, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

does jason give you "unsweetened tea" after your done? that must be your secret "code"

Posted by: drewkinnear | July 16, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Does anybody else think drewkinner should lighten up and move on?

Posted by: chrislarry | July 16, 2009 4:57 PM

DrewKinnear has a (pretty worn out) point and, in fact, we already got the negative slant in the previous post. They quoted some guy named Nawrocki as saying "Will go no worse than fourth, but [my] guess is third, with Skins potentially looking at him in [the second round] given how they undervalue draft picks and feel a sense of urgency to win and support [the] Haynesworth signing."

Big difference from Jasno is that they actually named the hater instead of the usual "NFL executive" or (my favorite) "talent evaluator."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 16, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like a good move by Vinny. If he and Orakpo are players, the defense should be something next year. I wouldn't be too quick to dump R. Jackson either. He showed flashes of ability last preseason, with a year under his belt he might turn out alright also. Then again....

Posted by: skinswest | July 16, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

"sorry sweetie, gots to defend yo man!!

Posted by: drewkinnear | July 16, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse"

You are the one carrying around a constant h@rd-on for the dude...its like you got nothing else to talk about now that your straw-man stopped filling your mouth.

Posted by: chrislarry | July 16, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 16, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Another defensive lineman?

Well, okay, but doesn't scoring points win games?

Let me guess, there were no young offensive tackle types with 'plenty of upside' to be had?

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 16, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

landry just has to go back to SS somehow (kareem moore stepping up?) and the defense will be sick

Posted by: drewkinnear | July 16, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

College Football Post:

Go SEC!!!!! Wazzup ACC!!!!

(that's all teams, btw)

To fans of the Big 12, Pac 10, Big Ten, Big East: you're all WAC to me.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 16, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

what the hell is a straw man? i seriously don't know, ok ok point taken about jlc i'll shut up.

shenin said he would take felix jones-MBIII backfield over #26 on the radio today.....ridiculous

Posted by: drewkinnear | July 16, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Big Ten has had a couple of down years because they lost their identity. We should be back up and running by 2010...

(Michigan will be a contenda againn)

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 16, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Big Ten blows they are the chevy of colleg sports...

DK: Straw man: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

Posted by: chrislarry | July 16, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Big Ten has had a couple of down years because they lost their identity. We should be back up and running by 2010...

(Michigan will be a contenda againn)

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 16, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

whatever

Posted by: drewkinnear | July 16, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

From what I heard I thought that Orakpo was gonna end up at Left End in the long run, replacing Carter and this guy will take Right End. I think I heard that from Florio when he was on Big O and Dukes after the draft.

Posted by: alex35332


Not if they have the same coaches in place. Be the other way around. 'Skins want the lighter, quicker guy at RDE, and the bullmoose at RDE.

But I think that's the future for them...

Posted by: TheCork | July 16, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse

you asked.....

Posted by: chrislarry | July 16, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse

"not sure I understand the logic of using a third round pick because other teams (or at least just the detroit lions) might have him valued as a fourth rounder.

that doesn't make sense. every other team has valued this player lower, so we need to use a higher pick on him?

also, next years draft, already no 3rd round and no 6th rd. pick. ok, we get a player earlier, but with a deeper pool of talent a 3rd round pick gives you a lot more to choose from later."
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Everywhere I read had him valued as a second to third rounder. The only reason the Lions are mentioned is because they(and other teams) would have scooped him up at the beginning of the 4th so we couldn't cross our fingers and hope he drops significantly to us at the 4th. There seemed to be a consensus that it would be shocking if he dropped to the 4th so it seems like we drafted the dude right around where he should be drafted. No logic problems there. Every team in the league did NOT have him ranked as a 4th or lower that was considered the floor if he dropped.
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"Wow, some things never change. No 3rd rounder next yr. and why not try and get and O lineman if thats the case?"
There was no O-line prospect worth drafting in the supplemental. I'm sure if there was a o-lineman of Jarmon's caliber we would have looked into it. I just don't think we can go wrong adding to either line especially when Orapko is the only DE guaranteed to be on the roster next year. A draft pick is a draft pick so if you think Vinnie overvalued the pick now what makes you think he would be smarter next summer? Unfortunately I don't see him being fired barring some huge scandal so he would be just as likely to mess that pick up next year if he kept it.

Posted by: SteveK25 | July 16, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

shenin said he would take felix jones-MBIII backfield over #26 on the radio today.....ridiculous

Posted by: drewkinnear | July 16, 2009 5:12 PM

I know Shehan wouldn't say that stupid ish! Wow.... MBIII has only one good game against us in 3 years. Felix did nada last year....

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 16, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Not if they have the same coaches in place. Be the other way around. 'Skins want the lighter, quicker guy at RDE, and the bullmoose at RDE.--CORK earlier

No, that would be crowded. I MEANT "the bullmoose at LDE"

Posted by: TheCork | July 16, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

mBIII had negative yards that dallas game that got us into the playoffs after 21's death

Posted by: drewkinnear | July 16, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

So, for the 2010, all we have now are:

1st round

2nd round

4th round

5th round

7th round


Let's hope three of these picks become offensive linemen.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 16, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

i would agree that the 1st and 2nd would have to be a combo of center-tackle

Posted by: drewkinnear | July 16, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

so how do they compensate jarmon? how do they set the pay scale?

Posted by: drewkinnear | July 16, 2009 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: SteveK25 | July 16, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Good points about Cerrato.

Posted by: ga8085 | July 16, 2009 5:40 PM | Report abuse

This is a redemptive move after the bad move to bring Taylor to DC last year. Jamon appears to have great potential and will learn a lot from our vets if he is open to learning and improving to be ready to take over in a year.

Posted by: silvermarvin | July 16, 2009 5:46 PM | Report abuse

the more of u that cry for some new I line, the more I'm rooting for heyer, rinehart, Williams x2, and bridges

Posted by: pabrian2003 | July 16, 2009 5:49 PM | Report abuse

@MistaMoe - With Jarmon we now have the luxury of using our top 2 picks on O-linemen(and we should do that). Before the regular draft earlier this summer we knew for the 2010-2011(the one after the upcoming one)season we would be desperately short on DE's, O-linemen and CB's(Rogers contract is up after this season and if he plays well he will get a huge contract that will be tough to match with D-Halls or he'll suck and we on't want him). With the pickup of Orapko and Barnes in the regular draft we then had more depth and wouldn't have to spend alot of resources on those positions next summer(i.e. being forced to overpay a FA to fill a huge hole). Drafting Jarmon further strengthens the DE position so at worst we will only have to get a rotation player instead of a stud(assuming Jarmon and Orapko pan out obviously). No we know next summer we will have D-Hall, Barnes,and Tryon under contract and won't have to expend much resources there. Obiviously we could really use a RT and more O-depth but those other holes were important too and now we can afford to use most of our draft on O-line without leaving huge holes at other position. Thinking a little ahead rather than having to make panic trades and signings is how we should have been drafting all long. I consider this a nice improvement and look forward to adding a ton of youth to the O-line next summer.

Posted by: SteveK25 | July 16, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Scoring points wins more than good D. Thats why the cards beat the steelers.....right ? Wait....

Posted by: pabrian2003 | July 16, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

this is a good signing for next years draft. the FO SHOULD use 3 of the firts 4 picks on O Line.

Posted by: theFreshinAU | July 16, 2009 6:03 PM | Report abuse

"But, are you saying that they gave it to him? Where did you read this? They would be out of sports for the rest of their lives if this were true.Posted by: talent_evaluator"

Unless they didn't get caught. Or worked for the Jamaican sprint team.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 16, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

so has everyone written off heyer, rinehart, Williams, and bridges, and the other Williams before the first day of camp? Well that is brilliant. Who will we draft in 2011

Posted by: pabrian2003 | July 16, 2009 6:11 PM | Report abuse

"With Jarmon we now have the luxury of using our top 2 picks on O-linemen(and we should do that)."

If there are any that Vinny and his scouts happen to like. That was apparently the problem this past draft, with Michael Oher.
Or maybe Cerrato doesn't believe in spending high choices on O-linemen unless there's nobody he likes on the free agent market.

Ozzie Newsome took Jared Gaither in the 5th as a supplemental, right? And Gaither has been OK to this point. Maybe Ozzie is like Parcells, a believer in building your team from the inside out.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 16, 2009 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Summary...its summary! Weren't there 1 or even 2 DL from Tennessee picked early in the draft?....I think the 'skins were looking at one of them.

Posted by: kcy123 | July 16, 2009 6:14 PM | Report abuse

UGA > UF on the all-time wins list.

Keep up the great work.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | July 16, 2009 5:03 PM

Yes the overall win/loss record in history of the game is Georgia 47, Florida 37, and 2 ending in a tie. However from 1990 thru 2008, it is Florida 16, Georgia 3. So we plan of keeping up the great work and will go 17/20.

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 16, 2009 6:15 PM | Report abuse

steveK25

"I consider this a nice improvement and look forward to adding a ton of youth to the O-line next summer."


Good post.

And I like the reasoning you employ.

Things is, the past two drafts were stocked with two fine tackle prospects--Sam Baker, '08, and Michael Oher, '09, and the redskin FO wiffed when offered the chance to add youth to the o-line.

So, hopefully, the team will go against this trend and use it's allotment of picks in '10 to add linemen.

We'll see.

Again: good post.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 16, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse

so has everyone written off heyer, rinehart, Williams, and bridges, and the other Williams before the first day of camp? Well that is brilliant. Who will we draft in 2011

Posted by: pabrian2003
I think we can find an adequate starter out of those guys and no matter who starts we have pretty good depth especially at Guard. The Biggest weaknesses of the Giants and the Steelers their super bowl seasons was horrible O-lines(on paper worse than ours now) and they were able to pull it together and win rings so I'm not as worried as everyone else. I feel better about our current o-line than I would have felt about going into the season with Carter, Daniels/wynn, buzbie/jackson being our DE's but thats just my opinion.
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"With Jarmon we now have the luxury of using our top 2 picks on O-linemen(and we should do that)."

If there are any that Vinny and his scouts happen to like. That was apparently the problem this past draft, with Michael Oher.
Or maybe Cerrato doesn't believe in spending high choices on O-linemen unless there's nobody he likes on the free agent market."

I think Vinnie jsut felt we needed a pass rusher as much as we needed a tackle and Orapko was a much better value at #13. Oher did slide like 10 spots or more past us so it's not like Vinnie passed up a guy the rest of the league considered a top-10 pick.

Posted by: SteveK25 | July 16, 2009 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Moe. Basically in the 2008 draft we had a huge hole at Possesion reciever/red zone target so we allocated a ton of resources(3 second rounders) to try and find a starter AND depth guy at the same position in the same summer. If we had used one of the second rounders on another position we clearly were gonna need to improve on(ol or pass rusher) we wouldn't be in this spot now. So even though we have a suspect RT situation I'm glad we are atleast doing the right thing now where we are drafting guys who will have to be starters by their second season but will have a year to learn first.

Posted by: SteveK25 | July 16, 2009 6:33 PM | Report abuse

i thought ceratzo said the most important thing he learned from coach gibbs was to pick great character guys,this is the 3rd player he has drafted this year that was kicked off his college team.i guess he really never learned anything.

Posted by: DLESMonday | July 16, 2009 6:35 PM | Report abuse

SteveK25

"...Oher did slide like 10 spots or more past us so it's not like Vinnie passed up a guy the rest of the league considered a top-10 pick...."


True.

But the team that took him, the ravens, like a lot of other teams, replenish their offensive lines with high round picks from time to time.

A guy who slides down to a team that stockpiles offensive linemen is a treasure to them, no matter the slide.

For example: The jags took on Tra Thomas in free agency, and added tackles Monroe/Britton: is it bad that they slid down to them or was their FO salivating at the thought of having two young tackles to groom behind a vet?

The decision to not draft a lineman seems wise now, but if Samuels gets hurt or Heyer proves to be ineffective.....


Posted by: MistaMoe | July 16, 2009 6:35 PM | Report abuse

I agree Moe what I meant was that it was clearly not a case of us passing over a top 10 guy to pick a crappier guy at a more glamorous position. Orapko would not have lasted past 15 or 16 and most people considered him at 13 a steal. I think Oher's slide shows that if need be we can get a quality Tackle prospect in the 20's(same with Sam Baker)next year. I'd love to have a stud tackle prospect too and hope thats what we use our first rounder on next year.

Posted by: SteveK25 | July 16, 2009 6:42 PM | Report abuse

i thought ceratzo said the most important thing he learned from coach gibbs was to pick great character guys,this is the 3rd player he has drafted this year that was kicked off his college team.i guess he really never learned anything.

Posted by: DLESMonday
I'm not worried about that. Sellers is a Gibbs guy and he spent a year of his career in jail for selling pounds of herb in Washington. Most people are happy with smoot and he dropped to us in the draft cuz he tested positive for marijuana. The dude graduated college which is probably more than you can say for most of our team. By all acounts he made a mistake and hopefully it's a valuable lesson cuz it cost him some money. The LB we drafted is the real potential headcase.

Posted by: SteveK25 | July 16, 2009 6:50 PM | Report abuse

So, brownwood said they'd take him in the first. You're wrong again. You agreed to push a peanut around the Washington Monument with your nose if you were wrong this time. Now, pay up.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 16, 2009 2:03 PM


I seem to recall saying that facetiously. The 1st round remark, that is. The rest of that crap is in your own head, further evidence of your need for therapy.

Anyways, this looks like a great move by the FO. It's rare so I'm not sure how to feel about it, but on the surface they hit an area of need and do it at less than it would cost next year. As I said earlier: if Jarmon can be for the Skins what Gaither is for the Ravens, this was a great pick.

It'll be interesting to compare his career arch with that of Calais Campbell. I wanted the Skins to take him in the 2nd round last year and if Jarmon is as good or better than Campbell, Vinny made a great call.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 16, 2009 7:07 PM | Report abuse

College Football Post

National Championship Game:

Fl Gators v. Whomever

Gators Win

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 16, 2009 7:14 PM | Report abuse

"I think Oher's slide shows that if need be we can get a quality Tackle prospect in the 20's(same with Sam Baker)next year."

The Falcons got mucho props for trading up to get Sam last year, but the numbers sure don't support the accolades. He only played in 8 games, starting 5, mostly due to injuries. That's a big 'incomplete'. To get him, Atlanta gave up 2 second rounders and a fifth rounder.

If Vinny traded three high choices for a guy who only started 5 games, folks here would be calling for his head. Oh wait, he didn't, and they are.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 16, 2009 7:28 PM | Report abuse

agreed Samson. My point being that you can get a highly-regarded OT in the 20's every year but can't find pass rushers like Orapko in the 20's every year so that is why I had no problem taking Orapko this year, fixing other holes with the rest of our picks and then having the luxury of using our First rounder next year on a highly regarded tackle prospect.

Posted by: SteveK25 | July 16, 2009 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Why do I feel like we just blew another 3rd round pic??? I'm just so tired of Redskins sh%% for brains management

Posted by: LongTimeSkinsFan | July 16, 2009 8:27 PM | Report abuse

John Runyon is available.The Eagles are taking a risk on good health at O-line by letting him dangle on the free agent market.Being in the NFC east I've watched him play for years and believe he could be a huge addition to the Redskins this year.I'm not convinced Heyer is starting caliber and Mike Williams is just a crap shoot free agent signing.Jeremy Bridges was a good move but a question mark.I just like Runyons game and would like to see him in a skins uniform as our clear starter at right tackle for a year.Any thoughts?

Posted by: mark65 | July 16, 2009 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Runyan might not even be able to play this year. He had a serious knee injury and Philly is waiting to see if he can even play this year before bringing him back. Runyan is a huge if to even play like Mark Tauscher(another injured big name vet who is available). Runyan from 2 years ago yeah but 35 year old runyan coming off Microfracture surgery doesn't sound appealing to me. He's probably more a crap shoot than Williams(hard to do). And of course the most important reason is the nauseating amount of bicep hair he has. It's like Austin Powers chest but on his biceps. The less we have to see that in HD the better.

Posted by: SteveK25 | July 16, 2009 8:44 PM | Report abuse

mark65

"...I'm not convinced Heyer is starting caliber and Mike Williams is just a crap shoot free agent signing.Jeremy Bridges was a good move but a question mark."

So bring Runyan in, let him get some reps, check out his game, and decide if he's got another quality year under his belt?

Sounds like a sound idea to me.

If you're going to give a shot to an out-of-football-for-a-few-years guy like Mike Williams a shot, why not bring in Runyan?

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 16, 2009 8:47 PM | Report abuse

This just adds to great rotation on the defensive line. The line HAS to be more aggressive this year. They have the talent and depth to really get after the QB. Blache just has to unchain the dogs.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 16, 2009 8:51 PM | Report abuse

steveK25

Based on the info in your 8:44 post, I'll take back my 8:47 post.

I didn't know Runyan was battling injury.

Let's just say, "You didn't see anything...". (INSERT image of shifty-eyed penguins and Moe moving away quickly past a smirking Lemur.)

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 16, 2009 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Another defensive end?

When do they address the offensive line woes ...

Posted by: periculum | July 16, 2009 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Nate, you had better hope that Williams really DOES come back and its not a "crap shoot" because one can readily foresee him at left tackle if Samuels can't come all the way back right away ... and if he doesn't Samuels could end up at right tackle.

Posted by: periculum | July 16, 2009 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Not much going on in the NFL world this time of year except signing draft picks and today's supplemental draft...so I decided to check out espn's nfl live to see what they had to say...bfavre, bmarshall, the cards and as an after thought, the skins draft...

Typical dallass network station...

Posted by: Curzon417 | July 16, 2009 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Seems like MWilliams has the talent and to lose the weight he's lost, the motivation as well. Can't find reason to complain about the OL or lack of depth.

Talk around here is about getting younger and yet some want to sign Runyan? Perfect year to see what we have in our young OL if RThomas goes down.

Me, I see 10, 11 wins this season ('course, it could be the tequila I just poured!).

Posted by: Curzon417 | July 16, 2009 9:20 PM | Report abuse

I love tequila!

Posted by: noonefromtampa | July 14, 2009 4:19 PM |

You have a lot in common with Curzon. And with two thirds of the rest of us.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 14, 2009 4:34 PM


So, Curzon, nice to see ya. I summoned you two days ago and it took you this long to show up. What's that about? But, right on cue, you're up here pushing tequila again. Good man.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 16, 2009 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Also, on drafting Jarmon today, if (IF) the Skins go 10, 11 wins this season, we're talking about a late 3rd rd pick. Would be great value IMO.

Posted by: Curzon417 | July 16, 2009 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Hey TE, wanted to comment but been busy to do more than the ole fly by. Evening alone so thought I would add my disjointed (or tequila influenced) thoughts...last few days RI has been rockin'

Posted by: Curzon417 | July 16, 2009 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Thinking a little ahead rather than having to make panic trades and signings is how we should have been drafting all long. I consider this a nice improvement and look forward to adding a ton of youth to the O-line next summer.

Posted by: SteveK25 | July 16, 2009 5:52 PM |

Your "ton of youth" sounds a bit much. You can only come by that through the draft and there will be a lot of other needs on offense:

1. QB - Campbell will probably be moving on as his contract will have expired. Even if he has another one of his specialties, an TD > INT season.
2. WR - 2009 is probably Moss' last productive year, especially as a speed guy.
3. RB - 2009 is probably Portis' last productive year as he has been wearing down markedly the last two seasons.

The Skins will probably have a different OL coach in 2010 so maybe he can whip up something using his imagination and creative thinking.

Posted by: AceOfCapes | July 16, 2009 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Been a good few days. Cindy, sween, nate back -- and even CL today. Add in occasional guys like noonefromtampa plus johndinhouston along with stalwarts like MistaMoe, beantowngreg, learnedhand, Cork, 4th, brownwood, RedDMV, and there's been a lot of jibba jabba -- like drinking water out of a fire hose. This has been our training camp for Redskins training camp.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 16, 2009 9:45 PM | Report abuse

According to this he was the best prospect available:

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Supplemental-draft-preview-Part-1.html

That said, anything done by this outfit is suspect until proven otherwise.

Posted by: mcasady | July 16, 2009 9:48 PM | Report abuse

According to this he was the best prospect available:

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Supplemental-draft-preview-Part-1.html

That said, anything done by this outfit is suspect until proven otherwise.

Posted by: mcasady | July 16, 2009 9:50 PM | Report abuse

It's been a long time since this team found a real gem in a lower round of the draft. Maybe it's our turn again.

If only Sean were here to back them up.

Posted by: Redskinrex | July 16, 2009 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Me, I see 10, 11 wins this season ('course, it could be the tequila I just poured!).

Posted by: Curzon417

You could make the argument that the Skins "won" 10 games last year. Take out the Kendall fumble and Mike Sellers tiptoeing along the goal line and you've got ten wins. Two plays made the difference between 8 wins and 10 wins.

On that note, I'd like to go on record, again, as saying that Sellers is the most over-rated player on the team. If you still think this guy can play, you're remembering three or four years ago, not lately.
If they give him the ball at the goal line again, I'm gonna blow up the TV.
Or somethin'....

Posted by: RedskinWillie | July 16, 2009 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Ace,
If the Skins use 2 of their top 3 picks on O-linemen next year that would give them heyer, rinehart and 2 rookies. When you only keep 9 o-linemen thats a fair amount of youth and thats assuming we don't turn up another guy like Heyer between now and then. Obviously we MIGHT have to address QB but thats such a wild card that we can't assume we're gonna be replacing him especially since odds are he won't be a free agent due to the lack of a cap. At WR we are just f'd if neither of the 2 recievers pan out. There are always spots on a team that can suffer if multiple people flop the goal is to not let us get into situations where there is a gaping hole and no one in house with even a possibility of replacing it. IF the WR's fail we are so screwed planning doesn't matter. WE made our bed on that one lets hope it's sleepable. As for Portis my understanding is that he is gonna be on the team in 2010-2011 no matter what due to salary cap implications so we will have him plus Betts leaving not much room for a high round draft pick even if Portis completely loses it. Obviously anyone can fail or drop off at any point(D-Hall, Haynesworth, Fletcher, Landry could all lose it obviously) but O-line is the only spot that we HAVE to replenish no matter what happens this season.

Posted by: SteveK25 | July 16, 2009 10:02 PM | Report abuse

If the Skins use 2 of their top 3 picks on O-linemen next year

Posted by: SteveK25 | July 16, 2009 10:02 PM

Steve, They just used one of their top three picks on a DE. So, that only leaves two of their top three for the OL and other needs.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 16, 2009 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Sellers' still has ability, I think he just got full of himself ala CPortis, though Portis can talk the talk and walk the walk. Sellers' plays best when humble.

Posted by: Curzon417 | July 16, 2009 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Just out of curiosity what O-line moves are out there that the skins aren't making? Obviously the skins should have been replenishing the O-line through the draft the last couple years. We can't do anything about it. Is there some obvious move or FA signing we're not doing? It seems like we throw our hands up in the air when the team adds to another part of our team cuz it's not the O-line. Did this move prevent us from improving the O-line this year? Will using a third rounder on a DE prevent us from getting that stud Tackle prospect next year with that pick? Should we neglect our D-line the same way we have been neglecting the O-line? Not trying to be antagonistic just wondering what people think we should be doing.

Posted by: SteveK25 | July 16, 2009 10:08 PM | Report abuse

I guess this is an alright move, not having a 3rnd round and 6rnd pick(J.Taylor)next year doesn't make me jump for joy.
I still wish more emphasis would be put on the o-line, it was the offense that was crap last year.

Anyway I hope JJ works out.

Posted by: 72Redskins | July 16, 2009 10:08 PM | Report abuse

I meant 2 of their top 3 REMAINING picks. Sorry should have been clearer TE.

Posted by: SteveK25 | July 16, 2009 10:11 PM | Report abuse

As for Portis my understanding is that he is gonna be on the team in 2010-2011 no matter what due to salary cap implications so we will have him plus Betts leaving not much room for a high round draft pick even if Portis completely loses it.

Posted by: SteveK25 | July 16, 2009 10:02 PM

I think that the FO is thinking that 2010 will be an uncapped year, which will allow the team to drop all of it's crazy contacts.

I would use next year's 1 & 2 on a RT and RB or SLB since Orackpo will most likely replace Carter after next year.

Gotta have some faith in our young OL porspects, RH, DC and Williams from Maryland.

Posted by: Curzon417 | July 16, 2009 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, but Vinnie has always said that he's a "best player available" drafter.

I'm wondering whether they'll try to sign as free agents any of the others who were eligible for the supplemental draft.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 16, 2009 10:19 PM | Report abuse

I just wanna say that Gary Clark was the 1st person the Skins picked in the Supplemental Draft back in 1984.

Just FYI

Posted by: MrOliver | July 16, 2009 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Vinny will make the case for any player he picks as the best player available...

Posted by: Curzon417 | July 16, 2009 10:25 PM | Report abuse

"...It's been a long time since this team found a real gem in a lower round of the draft. Maybe it's our turn again."


Didja ever hear of:

Chris Horton?

Kedric Golston?

Anthony Montegomery?

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 16, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Next year's second pick for Duke Robinson. Vinnie, make it happen.

Posted by: daggar | July 16, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Was Pierce drafted? Ryan Clark is still playing well and he was a FA. I think we have drafted decently in the later rounds our problem is that those were pretty much the only picks we were not trading for vets.

Posted by: SteveK25 | July 16, 2009 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Minus JT, if you look at the last few drafts, the Skins have not given up high picks for older vets.

As noted before, I am a glass half full fan, so I say let's see what we have before we cry over spilled milk (tequila?).

This year our "pass catchers" from last years draft will perform.

This year Zorn will not be the only coach that knows the system and will be able to help our younger players.

This year, 10 wins min. and playoffs.

Posted by: Curzon417 | July 16, 2009 10:46 PM | Report abuse

stevek25

"...Just out of curiosity what O-line moves are out there that the skins aren't making?"

It goes without saying that now is not the time to make any real moves with regards to the o-line.

What irritates most bloggas is the sense that the redskins FO likes the 'sexy' draft and free agent options of cornerback, linebacker, defensive lineman, and wide receiver.

This is a feeling that has grown over time.

Last season, we all watched an offensive line that was, well, offensive when it came to pass blocking.

The NFL is a passing league, and athletic tackles are a must, plain and simple.

Perhaps the ideas you outlined in an earlier post will ring true: that the moves to shore up the defensive line, corners, linebackers, et al, will allow the team to select linemen in next year's draft.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 16, 2009 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps the ideas you outlined in an earlier post will ring true: that the moves to shore up the defensive line, corners, linebackers, et al, will allow the team to select linemen in next year's draft.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 16, 2009 10:58 PM

Not to mention that it's too late to do anything but hope that this is true.

You can cry over spilled tequila, but not over spilled milk.

Posted by: Curzon417 | July 16, 2009 11:04 PM | Report abuse

top OT picks for 2010 draft

Trent Williams, OT, Oklahoma
Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State
Ciron Black, OT, LSU
Adam Ulatoski, OT, Texas
Sam Young, OT, Notre Dame
Bryan Bulaga, OT, Iowa (Jr)
Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers (Jr)

Okung is supposed to be the best

Posted by: noone_from_tampa | July 16, 2009 11:07 PM | Report abuse

If I can hop on your optimism band wagon.....
Orackpo picks up 10 sacks rotating down to DE on third downs.
An above average RT emerges from Heyer/Bridges/Williams
Either Tryon or Barnes shows that he is capapble of being a good starting CB
The bolstered pass rush contributes to many short field opportunities for the Offense giving them confidence and some easy scores
They stop ARE from returning punts
forever

Posted by: SteveK25 | July 16, 2009 11:08 PM | Report abuse

I understand and completely agree with everybody about the frustration with the FO over the lack of attention to the O-line(both lines really with the exclusion of Orakpo). I guess what I wanted to know is when people respond to the trade with "what about the o-line?" what their point is. It just seems looking forward their isn't a better move at RT available right now. And you can argue whether or not JJ is worth a third rounder cuz that is of course debateable. But it's tough to argue that the skins didn't need better DE depth this year and will desperately need 2-3 new DE's next year. So using a third on DE next year isn't that stupid of a move. So as long as this doesn't prevent us from making a better move at RT this year or the next I don't understand why people even bring the O-line up when debating the trade.

Posted by: SteveK25 | July 16, 2009 11:21 PM | Report abuse

wynne and daniels are going to retire in the next year or 2 so picking up jarmon isgood... picking up 2 quality de's in 1 year is a good idea... adios skolnitsky and
walker... maybe r. jackson gets sent to the practice squad but what do you do now with c. wilson???

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | July 16, 2009 11:25 PM | Report abuse

Only way to start the season is with an optimism band wagon...heck, I'll drive, for I have faith. Get on one and all, and let's kick some jints a$$ on opening day!!

worst case scenario, maps, as dik says...

Posted by: Curzon417 | July 16, 2009 11:28 PM | Report abuse

You could make the argument that the Skins "won" 10 games last year. Take out the Kendall fumble and Mike Sellers tiptoeing along the goal line and you've got ten wins. Two plays made the difference between 8 wins and 10 wins.


Posted by: RedskinWillie | July 16, 2009 9:57 PM | Report abuse

The problem with this type of thinking is that you can also take single plays from games that the 'Skins won and say that if they had turned out differently, the team would have gone 6-10. And my recollection of the Sellers goal line runs is not of "tip-toeing," but of bad playcalling. Once, as an attempt to catch the other team off-guard, I can see. But twice in a row? Dumb.

Posted by: rbpalmer | July 16, 2009 11:31 PM | Report abuse

Not sure twice in a row was dumb, just bad execution from the OL. In Gibbs 1.0 every team knew what the Skins were going to do, stopping it was the problem for defenses.

We just were not good enough in any plays to use them twice in a row last season.

Posted by: Curzon417 | July 16, 2009 11:37 PM | Report abuse

Dude, that williams kid's down to 350 looking at 340? Doesn't that mean he has lost a supermodel's worth of weight?

Posted by: alex35332 | July 16, 2009 3:31 PM


Are you saying he ate a super model?

Posted by: abxinc | July 17, 2009 12:09 AM | Report abuse

"Been a good few days. Cindy, sween, nate back -- and even CL today. Add in occasional guys like noonefromtampa plus johndinhouston along with stalwarts like MistaMoe, beantowngreg, learnedhand, Cork, 4th, brownwood, RedDMV, and there's been a lot of jibba jabba -- like drinking water out of a fire hose. This has been our training camp for Redskins training camp.Posted by: talent_evaluator"

Copy that. It's a privilege just to listen to the wisdom as it gushes forth. I feel blessed...

Posted by: Samson151 | July 17, 2009 12:30 AM | Report abuse

I particularly like the exchange of mayo recipes, and the discussions of antique hiphop styles -- there's a Pulitzer in here somewhere, I tell you...

Posted by: Samson151 | July 17, 2009 12:32 AM | Report abuse

noonefromtampa

'...top OT picks for 2010 draft...'


I've saved this list.

And I'll check it twice.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 17, 2009 12:53 AM | Report abuse

Jarmon should be ok. Skins have the law of averages working for them on some level. You try so many Erasmus James, Rob Jackson, Jarmon, Jason Taylor type shots at finding a decent pass rushers from end and something eventually has to hit. If Wynn or Daniels wins the starting end job, maybe this guy could platoon in to keep everyone fresh.

Posted by: DownTownClown | July 17, 2009 12:53 AM | Report abuse

I really hope Mike Williams works out, and I'd love to see a Terp (i.e., Heyer) in the starting lineup...but I think there's a decent chance Runyan is our starting RT in '09...we shall see

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | July 17, 2009 1:38 AM | Report abuse

Youse guys haven't figured out the plan yet... we put Williams in at RT for the first play, then substitute him for Heyer and Bridges. Bridges run blocks, Heyer pass blocks, and we avoid the extra-man-on-the-field penalty. 19-0 baby!

Posted by: daggar | July 17, 2009 1:58 AM | Report abuse

Dude, that williams kid's down to 350 looking at 340? Doesn't that mean he has lost a supermodel's worth of weight?

Posted by: alex35332 | July 16, 2009 3:31 PM

Are you saying he ate a super model?

Posted by: abxinc
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Ate & shat, I reckon.

Posted by: chasgiffen | July 17, 2009 2:28 AM | Report abuse

Dude, that williams kid's down to 350 looking at 340? Doesn't that mean he has lost a supermodel's worth of weight?

Posted by: alex35332 | July 16, 2009 3:31 PM


Are you saying he ate a super model?

Posted by: abxinc
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...And I say, if we're eating super models, I'm starting w/ Adriana Lima. And you can take that the Austin Powers-Git-In-Ma-Belly! way, or... uh... the 'other' way.

Either way, mmmm, mmmmm good!

Posted by: hogmeister | July 17, 2009 2:31 AM | Report abuse

RE the comments above about focusing our 2010 picks on OL... I absolutely agree on the need to upgrade that critical unit, but what about the allegedly strong QB crop next year? May want to use that #1 and maybe #2 to get one of the top tier guys, given that it may be a while until we get a shot at such QB's again, and they're much harder to get than O-men.

Posted by: chasgiffen | July 17, 2009 2:37 AM | Report abuse

...And I say, if we're eating super models, I'm starting w/ Adriana Lima. And you can take that the Austin Powers-Git-In-Ma-Belly! way, or... uh... the 'other' way.

Either way, mmmm, mmmmm good!

Posted by: hogmeister
________________________

Adriana Lima Bean's not filling enough. I'll devour Keeley Hazell... and may want some whip cream and chocolate syrup with that primo biscotti.

Posted by: chasgiffen | July 17, 2009 2:46 AM | Report abuse

...And I say, if we're eating super models, I'm starting w/ Adriana Lima. And you can take that the Austin Powers-Git-In-Ma-Belly! way, or... uh... the 'other' way.

Either way, mmmm, mmmmm good!

Posted by: hogmeister
________________________

Adriana Lima Bean's not filling enough. I'll devour Keeley Hazell... and may want some whip cream and chocolate syrup with that primo biscotti.
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Speaking of, R.I.P. Ryan Boschetti, from Redskins Park anyway - he's a Raider now...which is worse than the other kinda R.I.P.

Posted by: hogmeister | July 17, 2009 2:51 AM | Report abuse

Ask Jason La Canfora

NFL Network's Jason La Canfora will chat live Friday at noon ET. Want info on the latest scoops around the league? Ask a question now, then come back and follow along.

http://chat.nfl.com/front/index/351

All of you who were enamored of Jasno's unique way of reporting and miss his inside scoops have your chance to participate in his online chat today at noon. That would be 9:00 am your time, Cork. I'm sure Vinnie will have a few questions for him.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | July 17, 2009 6:19 AM | Report abuse

It's a couple days old, but John Clayton has this on Haynesworth possibly having Reggie White-esque impact on the Redskins...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=4326590

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 17, 2009 6:59 AM | Report abuse

I think this was a good pick up and we didn't give up a 2nd for him.

Posted by: jm220 | July 17, 2009 7:11 AM | Report abuse

Skins getting some attention from ESPN.com for a change...here's a column on Zorn:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4322356

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 17, 2009 7:18 AM | Report abuse

"You try so many Erasmus James..."

This is essentially the same argument you hear about the Shawn Alexander signing. The risk didn't pan out, so you're an idiot for having taken it in the first place. But in both cases the coach in place knew the player well, recognized the skills he once had, and the Skins risked little in the way of cash or draft choices. Gambles like that may not often work out, but when they do, it's a real plus.

Now when the Bills spent a top choice on the injured Willis McGahee -- that's real risk-taking. Can you imagine the howl that would have gone up around here at the sacrifice of a first-rounder?

"the Rob Jacksons.."
A low-round choice. Most don't blossom. Maybe they get picked up by another club, maybe they wind up with a real estate license.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 17, 2009 7:42 AM | Report abuse

chasgriffin

"...the comments above about focusing our 2010 picks on OL... I absolutely agree on the need to upgrade that critical unit, but what about the allegedly strong QB crop next year?"

Well, you have to hope Jason Campbell's upcoming season is so strong, it makes selecting a quarterback in next year's draft unnecessary.

Campbell having a strong season in '09 would mean he gets re-signed, and the team goes into the '10 draft with the ability to trade out of the 1st round, acquire additional picks, and select linemen.

We've posted time and time again: the most important issue facing the Washington Redskins is the maturation of Jason Campbell.

Plain and simple.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 17, 2009 7:50 AM | Report abuse

chasgriffin

(continu'd)

BTW: You have to also hope that either Daniels or Brennan excels and impresses to where either one is a viable option in the event of Campbell not being re-signed.

I caught a Big 12 Oklahoma v Mizzou game from '07 the other day--Bradford v. Daniels--and Daniels looked pretty good.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 17, 2009 8:11 AM | Report abuse

BTW: You have to also hope that either Daniels or Brennan excels and impresses to where either one is a viable option in the event of Campbell not being re-signed.

I caught a Big 12 Oklahoma v Mizzou game from '07 the other day--Bradford v. Daniels--and Daniels looked pretty good.


Posted by: MistaMoe | July 17, 2009 8:11 AM


Hope you like Sam Bradford, because he's the new starting QB of the Washington Redskins in 2010. You heard it here first.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 17, 2009 8:26 AM | Report abuse

brown, didn't we also hear that the redskins would use a first rounder on Jamon from you?? How'd that work out....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 17, 2009 8:30 AM | Report abuse

You can cry over spilled tequila, but not over spilled milk.

Posted by: Curzon417 | July 16, 2009 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Curz, welcome back. But who are you trying to kid. If we spill our tequilla, we get down and lick it up. We never cry over spilled tequilla!

Posted by: frediefritz | July 17, 2009 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Ever notice how the end of Neil Young's 'Southern Man' sounds just like 'Love Cats' by the Cure?!

Dik Shuttle missed that one in the Cure tribute show. I just did the theme from 'Cats'...in German...
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Man, I hated that article on Zorn. It does NOT make me any more confident in the season, almost the opposite.

If quirky won championships, Glanville would be HOF material.

I guess the creative practice tactics are cool. But, if he's thinking he can take his sweet time developing something here, I think he may be mistaken.

wait for the preaseason, Shuttle, wait for the preseason...

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 17, 2009 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Hope you like Sam Bradford, because he's the new starting QB of the Washington Redskins in 2010. You heard it here first.
Posted by: brownwood26 | July 17, 2009 8:26 A

Are you predicting that the skins go 3-13 this year? Cuz that’s what they will need to do in order to draft him(they will need to be in the top three, if not have the first overall pick to get that guy). Or are you saying that they will trade up giving away whatever it takes to get the guy?

Posted by: dlhaze1 | July 17, 2009 9:09 AM | Report abuse

That Texas Tech QB, he signed with the CFL, we will see if the spread offense works there, maybe grab him in a year.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 17, 2009 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Well, you have to hope Jason Campbell's upcoming season is so strong, it makes selecting a quarterback in next year's draft unnecessary.

Campbell having a strong season in '09 would mean he gets re-signed, and the team goes into the '10 draft with the ability to trade out of the 1st round, acquire additional picks, and select linemen.

We've posted time and time again: the most important issue facing the Washington Redskins is the maturation of Jason Campbell.

Plain and simple.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 17, 2009 7:50 AM | Report abuse

I'm still on record that this will happen, Moe. JC may not be franchise QB, as in top 5, but I still think he is top 10-15. He is good enough for us to win it all if we can surround him with talent.

For our top 2 picks next year, I'm hoping for 1 OL and 1 RB. I think this is the last year for Betts. We will need a stud RB to share the load with CP.

Posted by: frediefritz | July 17, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse

I like the signing and follow the logic. The D-Line will be nasty next year.

As for the O-Line, I reckon Runyan will be here next year (he knows the Iggles playbook and is nasty).

Samuels/Dockery/Rabach/Bridges/Runyan

- that's a gnarly line.

Heyer and Williams can play both OT spots. Chad and Randy (give him all the time he needs) as reserve OGs and the Williams kid as the reserve C. That's OK, isn't it?

As for cash / roster spots, I think Sellers or Betts will need to watch their back. In the WCO the backs need to block and catch.

As for next year's draft, my order of priority would be, depending on who is available;

1 - Stud OT (either side)
2 - Stud Strong-side LB
3 - Good Strong-side LB
4 - Good OT (either side)
5 - Stud C
6 - Stud Speed RB
7 - Good Speed RB
8 - Best player available

Obviously, if the position is covered by a pick, move to the next priority. It's five picks we have next year, isn't it?

Posted by: stevebeagrie | July 17, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

"...what about the allegedly strong QB crop next year?"

I don't think there's widespread agreement on that. Most scouts like Bradford, but for his poise and leadership more than a big arm. McCoy is valued for his legs and his exceptional accuracy underneath. Both have spent their careers in gimmicky Big Twelve passing attacks (as did Chase Daniel).

Tebow isn't valued much at all as a QB -- Urban Meyer is hoping to change that this season. Otherwise he runs the risk of becoming Kordell Stewart. Do you really want your quarterback putting his head down and charging into the MLB?

A number of scouts have ranked Jevan Snead of Ole Miss ahead of McCoy or Tebow, but he's far from a sure thing, too. Just a pro-style offense in his background, and that doesn't hurt.

IMO, it's a deep class, plenty of development players, but maybe no big future stars.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 17, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

One of the few good moves Vinny has made in awhile was drafting Jarmon given the age and injury history of our two LE's. It looks like Jarmon long-term will be our starter at LE. with Jarmon, Orakpo, Golston, and Monty, we actually have 4 talented young DL to augment the veterans.

Now, I seriously hope that Vinny focused next year on picking O-Lineman with our first and second rounds since we'll need to replace a couple of starters soon.

Posted by: wizfan89 | July 17, 2009 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Was Central Michigan OT Joe McMahon drafted by any team?

Posted by: JohnWWW | July 17, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

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