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Skins Sign Bridges

The Redskins have signed former Carolina Panthers offensive lineman Jeremy Bridges, as was expected as minicamp drew to a close.

Bridges has started in the past; his footwork was particularly impressive in minicamp last weekend and the team hopes he could make a push at the unsettled starting right tackle spot. He has played for Philadelphia, Arizona and Carolina, where he had legal issues stemming from two arrests in less than two years


By Cindy Boren  |  May 5, 2009; 7:26 PM ET
 
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Comments

FIRST to say bring on more O LINEMEN!!

Posted by: jscrna | May 5, 2009 7:38 PM | Report abuse

He's so fat, he looks like he should be a stuntman in NORBIT.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 5, 2009 12:08 PM

It's a real shame how the quality of Eddie Murphy's filmography has declined over the last several years. There was a time when the dude was making top notch films. Who can forget the endearing scene in the "Nutty Professor" where the Klump family is lovingly gathered around the dinner table passing gas? Then we fast forward to his latest oeuvre, Norbit. How awful is that terrible harridan Rasputia? Never have I ever seen anyone in a movie as repulsive as her.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | May 5, 2009 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Still grasping at straws for O-line. This is a plan B move at best for any other team trying to fix an OT problem. Still, for the sake of the franchise, I hope it works.

Posted by: Predator48 | May 5, 2009 7:54 PM | Report abuse

He has played for Philadelphia, Arizona and Carolina, where he had legal issues stemming from two arrests in less than two years

By Cindy Boren | May 5, 2009; 7:26 PM ET
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Are you saying he has burned his bridges, Cindy?
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | May 5, 2009 8:02 PM | Report abuse

This guy looks like a real charmer.

In 2007, guilty of pointing a gun at a woman in a strip club parking lot.
http://news14.com/content/top_stories/590044/bridges-found-guilty-of-pointing-gun/Default.aspx

And then just this past December, charged with assault and battery in another restaurant incident.
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/panthers/story/400353.html

Good thing there aren't any strip clubs or restaurants in the DC area!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | May 5, 2009 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Even if it's grasping at straws, bring on Todd Bridges, Gary Coleman, and Webster. Give them all a shot at the OT spot, since we didn't draft anyone.

In all fairness, Bridges and MWilliams have started in this league. The ability is there.

Posted by: Alan4 | May 5, 2009 8:03 PM | Report abuse

"Yeah, well... that's, like, your opinion, man."

Posted by: noseman4681 | May 5, 2009 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Good thing there aren't any strip clubs or restaurants in the DC area!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | May 5, 2009 8:03 PM =========================================

I have it on fine authority that Clancy's House of Beef is(was) a fine restaurant.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | May 5, 2009 8:22 PM | Report abuse

I don't care if this dude pointed a gun at a three-year-old, if he can play RT, then he's more than welcome!

Posted by: Salinas1 | May 5, 2009 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Choo-Choos in Waldorf is good in a disgusting, cheap, byob kind of way. That's where we used to go in high school.

Posted by: Salinas1 | May 5, 2009 8:25 PM | Report abuse

i wonder what he does for recreation. bowl, drive around, the occasional acid flashback...

Posted by: amsaul | May 5, 2009 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Salinas1, you're apparently in agreement with the front office on this one!

As for me, I hate that we signed the guy who stomped on another player's bare face with his cleat, and I hate that we've now decided to be this dude's third chance to conquer his anger management demons (or whatever). Yeah, yeah, whatever, I'm an old fuddy-duddy, but I don't have to like this crap.

Apparently it takes either a history of dubious acts or of serious injuries to catch Vinny's eye... *sigh*

Posted by: NateinthePDX | May 5, 2009 8:31 PM | Report abuse

NateinthePDX:

I didn't know the guy stomped on another player's face. I apologize.

I thought he just beat up strippers.

Posted by: Salinas1 | May 5, 2009 8:37 PM | Report abuse

As long as he doesn't pull out a gun on the field like in The Last Boy Scout, then see what he can do.

Posted by: ga8085 | May 5, 2009 8:45 PM | Report abuse

It't our $100 million DT thats the face stomper! Do you even watch football?

Posted by: kaasmaster | May 5, 2009 8:47 PM | Report abuse

I'm waiting for the Redskins to sign a blocking sled to play RT.

Posted by: clandestinetomcat | May 5, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs character guy thing? Left the building

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 5, 2009 8:51 PM | Report abuse

You know ST21 had some youthful indiscretions. What if we had given up on him?

Posted by: Salinas1 | May 5, 2009 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Character is a concern but it's not
as if Gibbs had a 100% zero tolerance policy. He let smoot back. The steelers seem to be a high character team but no Harrison no super bowl. As long as it doesn't become a big pattern (and bridges has good feet!) I can deal with this one.

Posted by: AdamCr | May 5, 2009 9:03 PM | Report abuse

well, all i can say is we need BIG bodies on the o-line with some experience in this league. This is another guy we got cheap and if he works out then give vinny some credit for good economics.We needed alot of areas addressed after last season and we spent alot on the defense to make it more opportunistic so we need to go cheap on the offense. They can't beat us if they can't score. We'll be ok. HAIL !

Posted by: scottmando | May 5, 2009 9:09 PM | Report abuse

And so, the question of who starts at right tackle for the redskins plot thickens.

(CUE IN worried soap opera organ music)

Will Mike "The Elephant Man" Williams put way the Popeye's Family Meal and lose weight in order to challenge Stephon Heyer?

(CUE IN worried soap opera organ music)

Will Jeremy "Whomp Dat Trick" Bridges rise to the occasion and stop getting arrested long enough to become a starter for the redkins?

(CUE IN worried soap opera music)

And finally, will Stephon "I'm Just a Terp, 'cuz I'm Only a Terp" Heyer fight off the challenges brought on by a man who eats too much and another who beats too much and solidify his hold on the redskins right tackle spot?

(CUE IN worried soap opera music at and even higher pitch)

The answer to these and other puzzling questions will come this Fall's addition of "Why We Didn't Draft A Lineman"

(Fade out of Moe's sinister laugh spooking up the audio track)

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 5, 2009 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Apparently it takes either a history of dubious acts or of serious injuries to catch Vinny's eye... *sigh*

Posted by: NateinthePDX | May 5, 2009 8:31 PM

Vinny's eye...

Posted by: Alan4 | May 5, 2009 9:15 PM | Report abuse

"Alright, so, I'm a Lebowski, you're a Lebowski."

Posted by: noseman4681 | May 5, 2009 9:17 PM | Report abuse

You tell 'em leevi98! And don't let those posters who've been paying attention get you down when they call you a hypocritical imbecile. Keep your chin up. Hold your head high. And keep spewing nonsense!

Posted by: mack1 | May 5, 2009 8:01 PM | Report abuse

How is that "spewing nonsense"? So your saying that people on this blog do not whine and complain about everything the Skins do?>

Posted by: leevi98 | May 5, 2009 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Sure didn't take this bnlog long to whine and complain about another move.

Posted by: leevi98 | May 5, 2009 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Sure didn't take this blog long to whine and complain about another move.

Posted by: leevi98 | May 5, 2009 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Sure didn't take this blog long to whine and complain about another move.

Posted by: leevi98 | May 5, 2009 9:20 PM | Report abuse

You tell 'em leevi98! And don't let those posters who've been paying attention get you down when they call you a hypocritical imbecile. Keep your chin up. Hold your head high. And keep spewing nonsense!

Posted by: mack1 | May 5, 2009 8:01 PM | Report abuse

naother note...at least I can hold my head high that when discussing the team etc etc on the blog...I really do not need to stoop to name calling to try and make a point.

Posted by: leevi98 | May 5, 2009 9:24 PM | Report abuse

leevi do you really need that explained to you?

Posted by: mack1 | May 5, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Noseman - anybody gettin fingered 2 night?

Posted by: the_shocker1 | May 5, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

leevi do you really need that explained to you?

Posted by: mack1 | May 5, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

no Mack not at all

Posted by: leevi98 | May 5, 2009 9:28 PM | Report abuse

salinas1

'...I don't care if this dude pointed a gun at a three-year-old, if he can play RT, then he's more than welcome!'

I like your style.

Obviously you, like me, enjoyed The Ginch cartoon Christmas special right up to where he got all socialist and liberal and decided to give the toys he stole back to the weird fuzzy Suess people.

And I agree: if you can point agun at a three year old, you can play right tackle for the redskins.

And if you can get drunk and shoot a dude while hunting and get away with it, you should be allowed to serve as the Vice Presidnet of the United States.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 5, 2009 9:29 PM | Report abuse

It's alright leevi. You're right. The issue is that more than one person posts, hence differences of opinion. I like to whine when perineum posts, or Snyderrato tries to replace players that I think are pretty good and will get better. Others whine about keeping the same people that I support. Hence the duality of the blog. I wouldn't have it any other way.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 5, 2009 9:30 PM | Report abuse

It's all good mack...we all are fans of the team....some are a bit deeply over edge and it's life or death...and some it's entertainment...But let's make no mistake....Doom and Gloom seems to be the theme here.

i just wonder why some even watch the team or keep up at all cause they really seem very upset and negative with everything. seems to me...maybe they should step back and take a deep breath...It's football...It's a sport.

Posted by: leevi98 | May 5, 2009 9:30 PM | Report abuse

on the character thing ... its another one of those 'odds' things.

Gibbs could handle a small number of outliers, especially if they were worth putting the time in (ST21 for example).

Gibbs resume trumped that of the players (a bust in Canton + 3 Lombardis is a strong hand), plus he ran the team as president and HC. So Gibbs had respect for what he'd done and the authority he had. On top of which, his approach of taking blame earned him more respect.

Zorn has minimal authority and a track record that is very modest.

Zorn has more guys who could be challenges based on their history. The post-Gibbs additions inclulde Hall, Albert, Bridges, and that LB we drafted from Nebraska whose name I forget. And Zorn less authority to deal with it.

The roster Gibbs left didn't have guys shooting themselves in the leg or crying over his quarterback, etc.

There are more guys that have crossed the line before and a coach who is less capable of keeping guys in line (see the Portis meltdown prior to the Cinci game in 2008).

Will something turn out badly? Don't know. But I do know the odds of something going wrong have increased considerably.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 5, 2009 9:31 PM | Report abuse

It's alright leevi. You're right. The issue is that more than one person posts, hence differences of opinion. I like to whine when perineum posts, or Snyderrato tries to replace players that I think are pretty good and will get better. Others whine about keeping the same people that I support. Hence the duality of the blog. I wouldn't have it any other way.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 5, 2009 9:30 PM | Report abuse

I hear ya Scamp....it would be nice to see people actually talk about the moves looking at the positive sides as well...just not focusing so much on the negative all the time......

when I try and be positive on here...i get balsted for it.

Posted by: leevi98 | May 5, 2009 9:32 PM | Report abuse

The roster Gibbs left didn't have guys shooting themselves in the leg or crying over his quarterback, etc.

There are more guys that have crossed the line before and a coach who is less capable of keeping guys in line (see the Portis meltdown prior to the Cinci game in 2008).

Will something turn out badly? Don't know. But I do know the odds of something going wrong have increased considerably.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 5, 2009 9:31 PM |

Last I checked our roster doesn't have anyone that shot themselves in the leg or cries over quarterbacks either.

Either way, all teams have players with questionable character. It's just a fact of sports (or politics, construction work, restaurant business, church, non profit work, etc.) All that matters in the end is wins and losses. Zorn is even in that catagory and has zero arrests (I believe) under his watch.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 5, 2009 9:38 PM | Report abuse

leevi's original comment had to do with my comment about hoping that in all the bodies we bring in, we find some guys with talent that are also willing to bring their A game.

Ironically, leevi misunderstood my comment. You can find guys with talent by bringing in large numbers of guys. Those who follow my comments know that I look at most young players as a crapshoot. The more guys you look at, the better your odds for finding a gem (at least up to a point).

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 5, 2009 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Assualt.....pointing a gun in a strip club parking lot....This is my kinda guy!!!! No seriously this whole character movement hasn't really had GREAT results persay. Not saying I want Cincy with all there arrest and Character problems up there. But a little bad guy mentality on the offensive line can't hurt, long as he isn't pointing guns that is=). I mean Ray Lewis killed a guy...Or drove the car....or was never really there......rigggghhhhtttt.....

Posted by: TheReporter | May 5, 2009 9:43 PM | Report abuse

I definately agree with the throw as many of 'em at the wall to find some that stick theory z's. i also agree with the reporter. I kinda like the idea of having a big, nasty lineman that steps on Cowgirls heads. I wouldn't want him teaching my kids but I don't mind him playing for my football team. We're not fielding a choir here. Now if he starts to disrupt the team and chemistry, that's a different story.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 5, 2009 9:46 PM | Report abuse

leevi's original comment had to do with my comment about hoping that in all the bodies we bring in, we find some guys with talent that are also willing to bring their A game.

Ironically, leevi misunderstood my comment. You can find guys with talent by bringing in large numbers of guys. Those who follow my comments know that I look at most young players as a crapshoot. The more guys you look at, the better your odds for finding a gem (at least up to a point).

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 5, 2009 9:41 PM | Report abuse

If i misunderstood your comment Z....I apologize.

Posted by: leevi98 | May 5, 2009 9:48 PM | Report abuse

I like bring in all the guys too Scamp. I think bringing in guys makes for good competition. I think every player needs competition to step up their game. plus like you said...ya never know what will stick who has something to prove and who will step.

Posted by: leevi98 | May 5, 2009 9:50 PM | Report abuse

i just wonder why some even watch the team or keep up at all cause they really seem very upset and negative with everything. seems to me...maybe they should step back and take a deep breath...It's football...It's a sport.

Posted by: leevi98

Look around the work place or most places in this world. People are not happy unless they are crying woe is me (in this case the Skins).

Most are negative and have no hope or faith in themselves or those around them.

Regardless, every year I choose to start out thinking positive about my team and hope that the Skins will get where I want them then to assume all is doom and gloom like you were saying most on here are.

This place has taken the attitude of the host in regards to the Skins.

Posted by: Curzon417 | May 5, 2009 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Regardless, every year I choose to start out thinking positive about my team and hope that the Skins will get where I want them then to assume all is doom and gloom like you were saying most on here are.

This place has taken the attitude of the host in regards to the Skins.

Posted by: Curzon417 | May 5, 2009 9:52 PM |

You and me both brother. I wear the burgundy and gold glasses (at the beginning of the season). Screw the hosts attitude but thanks for giving me a place to debate with a multitude of other Skins fans. GO SKINS!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 5, 2009 9:56 PM | Report abuse

leevi98


I think the greater issue is not that about the character of the players brought in, but the positions where the team is signing: wide out and right tackle.

We didn't draft a player at spot--tackle-- and are still trying to decide if the players we drafted at the other--receiver--are players.

Obviously, Team Zorn spent some time viewing tape and saw what Justin Tuck pointed out earlier today on the Mike and Mike show: Jason Campbell, like any other quarterback, would see his game improve vastly if he had a better set of receivers.

And anyone who watched an NFL Network replay of a redskins game is aware the right tackle spot is a point of worry for the skins.

We hope Roydell Williams and Jeremy Bridges--or whoever else is availiable--make the guys we already have play better.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 5, 2009 9:59 PM | Report abuse

I don't think there were blogs back then, but I certainly recall a lot of whining about Mark Rypien (he had a year of fumbles and another year of interceptions). I remember fans complaining about George Starke, and all his holding penalties. George Rogers and his turf toe. .. And those were the good old days for the Skins!

Fans complain, but the current regime has given fans more reason to complain than I can remember since Jack Pardee was trying to turn things around.

Posted by: Alan4 | May 5, 2009 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Fans complain, but the current regime has given fans more reason to complain than I can remember since Jack Pardee was trying to turn things around.


Posted by: Alan4 | May 5, 2009 10:00 PM

...and if you ask me (which you didn't but here goes anyway) it's because of impatience. You don't build quality quickly. The quick fix is never going to win a Superbowl. I think everyone agrees that we need to stick with a system and a group of players. We have plenty of talent and some solid players. The system has worked for other teams. The question is how long are we willing to stick with it? Changing the key positions every 2 years is going to continue getting us what we've got for the last decade+.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 5, 2009 10:09 PM | Report abuse

I think people here getting a little two over sensative about the negativity. I mean you can think whatever about JLC. But I think people here are just throwing there two cents in. I mean lets be real here. In the division the Redskins play in with Justin Tuck, Osi Umenhowever you spell it, Demarcus Ware, the WHOLE Eagles defense ect...If you don't have great O-line play you are going to be hurting. Not negative just realistic. Having said that if one of these young prospect guys steps up and the O-Line can stay healthy....who knows....sky is the limit. But at the beginning of the season game 1 at New York even the so called negative guys on this post will be routing for the Skins...

Posted by: TheReporter | May 5, 2009 10:10 PM | Report abuse

This is good news! It's about time we had a couple of felons on the team. It's time to shed the ol' Joe Gibbs "core Redskin" philosophy...let's get a muthafuggah that can block, tackle and catch!

Posted by: rickyroge | May 5, 2009 10:14 PM | Report abuse

I hope and pray that all the new additions will play well and contribute.

I have to wonder though, are my Redskins recruiting names from a Bail and Bonds client list?

Posted by: peaceful2008 | May 5, 2009 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Bridges has started in the past; his footwork was particularly impressive in minicamp last weekend

By Cindy Boren | May 5, 2009; 7:26 PM ET

If it's about impressive footwork, why don't we bring back Jason Taylor?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 5, 2009 10:16 PM | Report abuse

scamp & reporter... I couldn't agree more.

Posted by: Alan4 | May 5, 2009 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Footwork......If thats all they need bring back Michael Jackson....ehhhh heeee...isn't he in Europe somewhere...opps wrong article...=)

Posted by: TheReporter | May 5, 2009 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Bridges has started in the past; his footwork was particularly impressive in minicamp last weekend

By Cindy Boren | May 5, 2009; 7:26 PM ET

If it's about impressive footwork, why don't we bring back Jason Taylor?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 5, 2009 10:16 PM |

Because it's about footwork not hip gyrations. We're not looking for Elvis here.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 5, 2009 10:24 PM | Report abuse

'...I think people here getting a little two over sensative about the negativity....'\


'Negativity' is to be expected from the loyal fanbase of a team that spends money every offseason like drunken sailors and occasionally makes the playoffs or burns drafts picks and sal cap space on players past their prime.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 5, 2009 10:27 PM | Report abuse

scampbell -- I did say Gibbs left a strong character roster -- Zorn has benefited from that. But Zorn doesn't have Gibbs cred and he's getting players who have crossed the line. Zero arrests under Zorn? I think you're right.

But we brought in a guy who is facing significant legal issues in a case where a guy got paralyzed, a guy who managed a couple of arrests, a draftee who got himself suspended for some unknown reason and a guy who 'paid tribute' to Michael Vick.

Are we playing with fire?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 5, 2009 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Quick notes on Bridges:

He started 18 games at guard and tackle for the Carolina Panthers.

He allowed 11 sacks over that span.

He's been called for 10 penalties in 34 career starts - 9 for false starts.

He's NEVER been called for holding in his entire career.

Posted by: elfreako | May 5, 2009 10:29 PM | Report abuse

MistaMoe....I agree with you...Like I said I think people are getting too sensative about the people on here that are upset/mad/frustrated with the Front Office....Its okay to be negative....its all good...

Posted by: TheReporter | May 5, 2009 10:32 PM | Report abuse

If i misunderstood your comment Z....I apologize.

Posted by: leevi98

no sweat. never offended if its not personal and since you don't know me, how could it be? you even got some jibba jabba miles out if it

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 5, 2009 10:34 PM | Report abuse

I think people are getting too sensative about the people on here that are upset/mad/frustrated with the Front Office....Its okay to be negative....

Posted by: TheReporter | May 5, 2009 10:32 PM

So, it's okay to be negative, but it's not okay to be negative about the people who are negative?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 5, 2009 10:34 PM | Report abuse

By the way, I have been pondering this myself. How do people feel about Chase Daniels? Could he actually make the Roster?...Practice Squad?? or just the a 4th body QB who will barely see playing time in the preseason brought in to push Colt a little bit.

Posted by: TheReporter | May 5, 2009 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Ok talent_evaluator....your making me wanna grab a Bud...Because now I am confused....All I am saying is...At the End of the day we are all Skins fans...And yes you can be negative about the people being negative...actually...i am just really pissed =)

Posted by: TheReporter | May 5, 2009 10:37 PM | Report abuse

F chRIs LarRY.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | May 5, 2009 10:37 PM | Report abuse

scampbell -- I did say Gibbs left a strong character roster -- Zorn has benefited from that. But Zorn doesn't have Gibbs cred and he's getting players who have crossed the line. Zero arrests under Zorn? I think you're right.

But we brought in a guy who is facing significant legal issues in a case where a guy got paralyzed, a guy who managed a couple of arrests, a draftee who got himself suspended for some unknown reason and a guy who 'paid tribute' to Michael Vick.

Are we playing with fire?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 5, 2009 10:28 PM |

I don't disagree that the tendency towards malfeasance is there. But I'm not going to base my fandom or the amount I root (sp?) for them on their arrest record. In my opinion there is much more to be worried about with this Oline that we have. You are correct that Zorn doesn't have nearly the cred that Gibbs has, but neither did Gibbs when he got here. Let's not forget he doesn't have a perfect arrest record either. I seem to remember a certain Superbowl record setting running back that has some legal issues and another HOF running back that had an attitude problem. Manley was no choir boy either. All I'm saying is that legal issues are unavoidable and are no reason to completely disregard a player unless they disrupt the team or chemistry, which hasn't happened yet.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 5, 2009 10:37 PM | Report abuse

It's been a while... just wanted to put it out there in the universe.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | May 5, 2009 10:38 PM | Report abuse

.......Manley was no choir boy either. All I'm saying is that legal issues are unavoidable and are no reason to completely disregard a player unless they disrupt the team or chemistry, which hasn't happened yet.

Posted by: scampbell1975

So true. If you put 60 random men between the ages of 22 & 32 under the microscope, your going to find some criminal activity.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | May 5, 2009 10:42 PM | Report abuse

they gave the Dalai Lama a Pats hat to put on, but he showed up in Redskins colors!

YEAH!

(re: fanhouse)

Posted by: pabrian2003 | May 5, 2009 10:44 PM | Report abuse

as for negativity, I'll admit to being one who refuses to wear the rose colored glasses. I see things the way I see them, listen to others and have been swayed from time to time. I've been right often enough so that I have confidence in my thinking.

Its why I raised the character issue. Has it been an issue? No. Is Vinny risking some significant problems with the additions? Yes.

Each of us gets to decide if we think the risk is worth taking.

Me, I see weak leaders (Danny, Vinny, Zorn) and strong player personalities. I mentioned it last year when Zorn lost control over Portis, when Hall was signed and when Albert was signed. Its a different direction and its worth pointing out.

In the short term, we have a lot of character players, including leaders like Fletcher and Samuels. Will guys like that help the others to stay on track? I hope so.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 5, 2009 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Once upon a time I was so overzealous in my policing of this community's ongoing conversation that I was dubbed "Barney Fife." So I eventually dialed it back a bit.

But I see the point... and it heartens me that people from time to time actually express interest in the tone of the discourse up here, beyond the content (which rarely has a high enough percentage of jibba jabba for my tastes any more).

So yeah, t_e, I would say that on-topic negativity is almost always accepted up here, whereas ad hominem negativity is not and should not be accepted up here. And aside from a few petty ongoing feuds among some familiar names (ahem) I think we're pretty good on that second category.

Are people being fundamentally respectful of each other up here? That's always been the bell-weather of this conversation, to me.

Whatevs... F chRIs LaRry.

Shabingus.

Maps.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | May 5, 2009 10:46 PM | Report abuse

As a newcomer to Portland, I've been able to watch the Trail Blazers blossom into a respectable group of young men, after the organization dedicated itself to the project of remaking its image after the "Jail Blazers" era. Now they're the toast of the town, a team nobody has problems rooting for.

Even on an NFL roster that has fifty "really good guy" solid citizen types, it just takes a couple of knuckleheads to make the whole organization look like jerks.

I don't want the Redskins to be a team like that, where we decide to look the other way about a few of our guys' shenanigans because they're just so doggone good on Sunday. The end does not justify the means.

Okay, I realize I sound like my grandmother now, so I'm going to stop on this.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | May 5, 2009 10:52 PM | Report abuse

All I'm saying is that legal issues are unavoidable and are no reason to completely disregard a player unless they disrupt the team or chemistry, which hasn't happened yet.

Posted by: scampbell1975

No way to prove this, but I'd say Portis' meltdown the week of the Cincy game may have had a hand in that loss. We were still very much alive in the playoff hunt facing a team with nothing to play for in a 1/2 full stadium and came out flat. Portis dropped a screen pass that had TD written all over it.

Has the team chemistry cost us any games? I'm not sure.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 5, 2009 10:54 PM | Report abuse

Yessssss

Make or Break year for Jason Campbell...

can you imagine Campbell making the pro bowl behind our O-line?

Posted by: Vicc | May 5, 2009 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell owns the iggles!

Posted by: Vicc | May 5, 2009 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Pointed a gun at a stripper, eh? Appears he may be a member of the Slapaho Tribe...

Posted by: chasgiffen | May 5, 2009 11:01 PM | Report abuse

He stay havin a scramble that breaks the iggles backs like they overdosed on ecstasy

Posted by: Vicc | May 5, 2009 11:03 PM | Report abuse

By the way, I saw someone above writing about Prince Albert's face-stomping incident like it was a bad thing, as if he did it to a human. It was a Cowpie! I just hope it didn't hurt his shoe...

Posted by: chasgiffen | May 5, 2009 11:04 PM | Report abuse

How does a team respond to adversity? This team responded well in 2007. That means heart and chemistry to me. Gibbs was certainly a factor.

I am so glad they failed to get Cutler and Sanchez. We still have a Gibbs-y roster, and a chance to succeed.

Not only is this a make or break year for Campbell, but also for Zorn and 75% of the roster.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | May 5, 2009 11:07 PM | Report abuse

jimmy Zorn is a very strange individual. What's his deal? my hottie woulda given me blue balls if I had wiped away her kiss on television...

Posted by: Vicc | May 5, 2009 11:10 PM | Report abuse

If this Oline experiment works out, I will personally send an apology letter to Daniel Snyder and Vinny Cerratto. I think that it would be in order.

Posted by: moosepod | May 5, 2009 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Yessssss

Make or Break year for Jason Campbell...

can you imagine Campbell making the pro bowl behind our O-line?

Posted by: Vicc

I just did and I need a tissue. And, then we draft 12 OLs the following year.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | May 5, 2009 11:12 PM | Report abuse

Good thing there aren't any strip clubs or restaurants in the DC area!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | May 5, 2009 8:03 PM =========================================

I have it on fine authority that Clancy's House of Beef is(was) a fine restaurant.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | May 5, 2009 8:22 PM
=========================================

A simple "google" search using key words "strip clubs restaurant DC" resulted in the following:

Good Guys, Ziegfeld's/Secrets, Archibald's, Camelot Show Bar, DC Improv, Blues Alley, Royal Palace.

Posted by: JohnWWW | May 5, 2009 11:12 PM | Report abuse

No way to prove this, but I'd say Portis' meltdown the week of the Cincy game may have had a hand in that loss. We were still very much alive in the playoff hunt facing a team with nothing to play for in a 1/2 full stadium and came out flat. Portis dropped a screen pass that had TD written all over it.

Has the team chemistry cost us any games? I'm not sure.

Posted by: zcezcest1

He dropped a pass. You can read into that if you want, but it's a dropped pass from a guy who has CARRIED the offense for 5 years.

And, didn't Sellars fumble on the goal line in that game?

Posted by: pabrian2003 | May 5, 2009 11:17 PM | Report abuse

By the way, I saw someone above writing about Prince Albert's face-stomping incident like it was a bad thing, as if he did it to a human. It was a Cowpie! I just hope it didn't hurt his shoe...

Posted by: chasgiffen

funny! He burned the shoe at halftime.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | May 5, 2009 11:19 PM | Report abuse

phone's ringing dude

Posted by: amsaul | May 5, 2009 11:19 PM | Report abuse

well done pabrian2003:

Clinton Portis has locked down our HB position for years. He's a beast and he will make the HOF behind our putrid O-line.

Posted by: Vicc | May 5, 2009 11:20 PM | Report abuse

Me, I see weak leaders (Danny, Vinny, Zorn) and strong player personalities. I mentioned it last year when Zorn lost control over Portis, when Hall was signed and when Albert was signed. Its a different direction and its worth pointing out.

In the short term, we have a lot of character players, including leaders like Fletcher and Samuels. Will guys like that help the others to stay on track? I hope so.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 5, 2009 10:46 PM

Weak leaders? Vinny maybe. Danny gets what he wants, he's just not very good at figuring out what the right thing is. Zorn? Who knows yet? I don't see it as losing control over Portis really. Zorn was still coaching the team and Portis sulked on the bench. Does Zorn have as much pull as Gibbs? No way. Is he effective? Well, he won half his games as a rookie head coach. That's okay. He didn't pull a Gruden but did okay. I believe he'll get better. I am happy that the FO built the D-line. They went after weapons last year. In my opinion they should have gone O-line before anything but I don't run sh!t. And now I'm rambling because I'm tired so goodnight all and HAIL!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 5, 2009 11:27 PM | Report abuse

welll i definitely do jnot agree with some of the Portis bashing on here.

i don't know if the guy will gotot the HOF or not...I don't think he will because he does not have a ring or Multi league MVPs etc....

but as a RB for the Skins.....He has been a beast....

Portis is second ALLTIME in rushing as a Redskin....He will most likely pass Roogo soon and be the Alltime leader....He is also 3rd alltime in Rushing Tds as well.

He has done this without the best OL to run behind as well.

I just disagree that Portis needs to be replaced....not yet anyway

Posted by: leevi98 | May 5, 2009 11:28 PM | Report abuse

Another note on Portis...he actaully is leading Rioggo in yards per carry with 4.1

Riggo was 3.7

Posted by: leevi98 | May 5, 2009 11:29 PM | Report abuse

Another note on Portis...he actaully is leading Riggo in yards per carry with 4.1

Riggo was 3.7

Posted by: leevi98 | May 5, 2009 11:29 PM | Report abuse

Hey leevi98:

Clinton Portis is fewer than 3000 yds away from 12,000 rushing yards and 18 tds away from 90 rushing tds.

Yes he will get to the HOF.

He still has AT LEAST 3 more years of productivity, barring injury.

Posted by: Vicc | May 5, 2009 11:32 PM | Report abuse

when people start pointing fingers at the BEST players on the team, they almost totally lose all cred.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | May 5, 2009 11:32 PM | Report abuse

portis is 10th in tds and yards in first 7 years....all time

Posted by: pabrian2003 | May 5, 2009 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Portis' career rushing avg = 4.3

Posted by: Vicc | May 5, 2009 11:35 PM | Report abuse

Portis' career rushing avg = 4.3

Posted by: Vicc | May 5, 2009 11:35 PM | Report abuse

I was discussing his Redskins tender...Not including the Denver days...his redskin average is 4.1 which is better than riggins at 3.7

My point is really simple...Clinton Portis is one of the greatest RBs ever to carry the ball for the Washington Redskins...He also holds the #1 and #2 spots for single season rushing.

now we all know what great backs we have had on this teams through the years...CP seems to be surpassing them all.

Posted by: leevi98 | May 5, 2009 11:43 PM | Report abuse

portis is 10th in tds and yards in first 7 years....all time

Posted by: pabrian2003 | May 5, 2009 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Your speaking in terms of the NFL correct?

Posted by: leevi98 | May 5, 2009 11:45 PM | Report abuse

Well lets hope he does go to the HOF...My signed jersey on the wall will increase in value....

I need to give him a call...i have not talked to CP in awhile..

Posted by: leevi98 | May 5, 2009 11:47 PM | Report abuse

understood leevi98,

but CP will make the HOF.

make no mistake about it!

Posted by: Vicc | May 5, 2009 11:49 PM | Report abuse

I hear ya Vicc...nothing I would love more than that!

Posted by: leevi98 | May 5, 2009 11:50 PM | Report abuse

Why are people whining about bringing in lineman? At the very least, we're adding depth that isn't as old and decrepit as Ray Brown.

Posted by: hokiesmokie | May 5, 2009 11:57 PM | Report abuse

understood leevi98,
but CP will make the HOF.
make no mistake about it!
Posted by: Vicc | May 5, 2009

Dream on Timothy Leary. If Art Monk, a guy
who helped 4 teams reach the superbowl, took as long as he did to get in ... do you really believe a loser like Clinton Portis will ever make it? Not in his lifetime if at all.

Posted by: periculum | May 6, 2009 12:00 AM | Report abuse

Why are people whining about bringing in lineman? At the very least, we're adding depth that isn't as old and decrepit as Ray Brown.

Posted by: hokiesmokie | May 5, 2009

This is the first "real" lineman they've added since the Dockery signing. They are still way short unless Jansen learns to play center / guard at a high level.

I am still hoping they find a way to get the Bengals cast offs if there are any post-Andre Smith.

Posted by: periculum | May 6, 2009 12:03 AM | Report abuse

HOF WAAAAAY BEFORE PORTIS:
Bostic, Jacoby, McKenzie, Theismann, Gary Clark, Ray Brown

Posted by: periculum | May 6, 2009 12:05 AM | Report abuse

Jeremy Briges OG, Age 29, Ht: 6'4" Wt: 326 lbs.
2008 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.
Grade: 63

Comment: Bridges has been with three teams in his five years in the league. He was picked up by the Panthers and started all 14 games he played in 2006, and in 2007 he started 10 of the 13 games he played after being suspended at the beginning of the season for conduct detrimental to the team. He has some talent and teams keep trying to get him on the field. He is fairly athletic and has quick feet in a small area, and can use his long arms to control and steer defensive linemen past the play. Bridges can drive his feet to sustain blocks but just does not finish most blocks off like he should. He is a little stiff in the hips and can struggle to adjust and recover when he starts to lose it and will fall off some blocks. He has adequate lateral range in pass pro but does not recover and right himself very quickly against counter moves. He does not play as big as he measures and will get out-muscled more than you'd expect. If he can learn to devote himself to the game and keep his intensity level up he can be a very functional right tackle.

Posted by: periculum | May 6, 2009 12:09 AM | Report abuse

Periculum is that you? lol

Man, where have you been?

I thought you died...

Nothing special here tonight...you'll get bored...not sure if you have 10 more posts in ya...see ya tommorrow.

Posted by: Vicc | May 6, 2009 12:10 AM | Report abuse


understood leevi98,
but CP will make the HOF.
make no mistake about it!
Posted by: Vicc | May 5, 2009

Dream on Timothy Leary. If Art Monk, a guy
who helped 4 teams reach the superbowl, took as long as he did to get in ... do you really believe a loser like Clinton Portis will ever make it? Not in his lifetime if at all.


Posted by: periculum | May 6, 2009 12:00 AM | Report abuse

Why is Portis a loser?

Posted by: leevi98 | May 6, 2009 12:16 AM | Report abuse

Hey leevi98:

Clinton Portis is fewer than 3000 yds away from 12,000 rushing yards and 18 tds away from 90 rushing tds.

On how many winning teams? What are his playoff stats? His "playoff run" stats? As I recall last year was a "playoff" run year, in the last games where the team finished 2-6 he averaged around 2 yards per carry, had a total of 2 TDs and lost 2 fumbles. But he did manage to accumulate over 500 yard to pad what turns out to be a completely worthless individual stat.

Yes he will get to the HOF.
When they compare him to peers like LT he will always get voted down.

He still has AT LEAST 3 more years of productivity, barring injury.
Given his contract he will likely find a way ... unfortunately. You must be an Iggles or Gints fan to want Portis to continue his losing ways for us.

Posted by: Vicc | May 5, 2009

Posted by: periculum | May 6, 2009 12:17 AM | Report abuse

Why is Portis a loser?
Posted by: leevi98 | May 6, 2009

He worries more about individual stats and whether he is in the game or not than on whether the team wins. When he asked for the ball, claimed that was the reason they lost, they gave him the ball (JUST LIKE RIGGINS) and what happened? 2 wins 6 losses, 2 sole touchdowns, a 3.2 yds per carry average. Don't matter to Portis he still misses practices, mini camps, OTA's, whatever ... HE IS A LOSER.

Posted by: periculum | May 6, 2009 12:20 AM | Report abuse

Another note on Portis...he actaully is leading Riggo in yards per carry with 4.1.

Let's forget that Riggins spent more than a couple of years in George Allen's offense. Gee, how many Superbowl trophies does your hero have? Riggins has one. How many Superbowl MVP trophies? How many times did Riggins help lead teams to the playoffs and deep into the playoffs?

Riggo was 3.7

I'm impressed. How many wins did Portis gaudy numbers translate to?

Posted by: leevi98 | May 5, 2009

Posted by: periculum | May 6, 2009 12:26 AM | Report abuse

periculum, I wholeheartedly disagree with your assessment of Clinton Portis as a "loser." Guy's been the freakin' engine of this team's offense since the day he arrived, and you call him a loser?

What on earth does the guy have to do to win you over?

I confess, I just don't get people who criticize Portis the player. I disagree with but understand all the criticism of him as a personality, but I can't imagine how anyone finds fault with him as a player. Runs his ass off, blocks like Chuck Norris. Yeah, I get that he doesn't seem to have that breakaway speed, and that he's liable to break down physically in another two seasons or so because he gets pounded so much. But he's still the man in my book.

Sheesh.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | May 6, 2009 12:26 AM | Report abuse

Good to see competition for the RT starting and backup T/G positions. Assuming Heyer, Jansen, and Rinehart make the Skins final roster, then Bridges, Burley, Clark, M. Williams, and E. Williams will all be competing for at most two OL positions...

Posted by: siris | May 6, 2009 12:34 AM | Report abuse

periculum, I wholeheartedly disagree with your assessment of Clinton Portis as a "loser." Guy's been the freakin' engine of this team's offense since the day he arrived, and you call him a loser?

He lost me when he opened his mouth to criticize his line, the HC, everyone but Clinton. So, when they gave him almost 40 carries in the 2nd half what happened? 3 yards and a cloud of dust. 2 TDs. But of course that's entirely Jason Campbell's fault, he will never be an elite QB. Its entirely the line's fault. Its Joe Gibbs 1980's offense, its Zorn!

The guy sucks. He doesn't go out into patterns and catch passes and run with the ball after the catch. He folds. He blocks, true, but not even close to what Riggins or Byner did. IN the redzone he has a hard time scoring. Blame Sellers why don't you? He doesn't block right.

He reminds me of Franco Harris at the end of his career. The guy used to run out of bounds, but kept playing to pass Jim Brown's record. You know what ... Brown threatened to come out of retirement when he saw that.

No, Portis isn't that bad but he is getting there. He didn't win the superbowl last year? What playoffs starting off 6 and 2? Yet he still won't do minicamp, he hates training camp, acts like he won the superbowl, that he deserves special treatment ... HE LOST, HE HELPED THe TEAM LOSE.

YOU know what Nate, if that happened to Byner or Monk they would have been in there working over time just because they HATED TO LOSE. Gary Clark would be visibly upset on a regular basis because they lost.

I don't see that in Portis. Hohum another year, I'm the owner's favorite player. I can say or do what I want. PORTIS IS A LOSER.

Posted by: periculum | May 6, 2009 12:38 AM | Report abuse

Chase Daniel is a question mark TBD in training camp...

What happens if Brennen and Daniel both perform well? Would the Skins release Collins or risk Daniel on the practice squad?

Posted by: siris | May 6, 2009 12:40 AM | Report abuse

Any scouting (dot com) reports available for Mike Williams?

Posted by: siris | May 6, 2009 12:46 AM | Report abuse

I like our offensive line moves of late because we're shoring up the depth really well. The problem is, I'm not sure we have a starting right tackle.

If we have injuries like last year, I think the FO has put us in a much better positon. Just not sure they've put us in a good starting place.

Now if Heyer steps up his game and the old ones can hang on through most of the year, I think we'll be doing really well as far as depth.

We should have been adding this many guys to try out last year, so we'd be better prepared in case of injuries.

Posted by: lordtwang | May 6, 2009 12:51 AM | Report abuse

And so, the question of who starts at right tackle for the redskins plot thickens.

(CUE IN worried soap opera organ music)

Will Mike "The Elephant Man" Williams put way the Popeye's Family Meal and lose weight in order to challenge Stephon Heyer?

(CUE IN worried soap opera organ music)

Will Jeremy "Whomp Dat Trick" Bridges rise to the occasion and stop getting arrested long enough to become a starter for the redkins?

(CUE IN worried soap opera music)

And finally, will Stephon "I'm Just a Terp, 'cuz I'm Only a Terp" Heyer fight off the challenges brought on by a man who eats too much and another who beats too much and solidify his hold on the redskins right tackle spot?

(CUE IN worried soap opera music at and even higher pitch)

The answer to these and other puzzling questions will come this Fall's addition of "Why We Didn't Draft A Lineman"

(Fade out of Moe's sinister laugh spooking up the audio track)

Posted by: MistaMoe
That was funny

Posted by: kenboy1 | May 6, 2009 1:36 AM | Report abuse

And so, the question of who starts at right tackle for the redskins plot thickens.

(CUE IN worried soap opera organ music)

Will Mike "The Elephant Man" Williams put way the Popeye's Family Meal and lose weight in order to challenge Stephon Heyer?

(CUE IN worried soap opera organ music)

Will Jeremy "Whomp Dat Trick" Bridges rise to the occasion and stop getting arrested long enough to become a starter for the redkins?

(CUE IN worried soap opera music)

And finally, will Stephon "I'm Just a Terp, 'cuz I'm Only a Terp" Heyer fight off the challenges brought on by a man who eats too much and another who beats too much and solidify his hold on the redskins right tackle spot?

(CUE IN worried soap opera music at and even higher pitch)

The answer to these and other puzzling questions will come this Fall's addition of "Why We Didn't Draft A Lineman"

(Fade out of Moe's sinister laugh spooking up the audio track)

Posted by: MistaMoe
That was funny

Posted by: kenboy1 | May 6, 2009 1:36 AM | Report abuse

He still has AT LEAST 3 more years of productivity, barring injury.
Given his contract he will likely find a way ... unfortunately. You must be an Iggles or Gints fan to want Portis to continue his losing ways for us.
Posted by: Vicc |

Man, how many RB's or QB's do you see taking their teams anywhere without decent Olines and/or WRs? It just don't happen. Given Ben R had a good deal of questionable O line play, but he had Santonio Holmes AND Hines Ward to throw to.

Posted by: kenboy1 | May 6, 2009 2:08 AM | Report abuse


Another note on Portis...he actaully is leading Riggo in yards per carry with 4.1.

Let's forget that Riggins spent more than a couple of years in George Allen's offense. Gee, how many Superbowl trophies does your hero have? Riggins has one. How many Superbowl MVP trophies? How many times did Riggins help lead teams to the playoffs and deep into the playoffs?

Riggo was 3.7

I'm impressed. How many wins did Portis gaudy numbers translate to?

Posted by: leevi98 | May 5, 2009

Posted by: periculum | May 6, 2009 12:26 AM | Report abuse

Before you go and blast me for posting numbers that are facts about Portis...Riggins is actaully my favorite Redskin and "hero" as you put it.

2nd...if you are going to comment on crtain seasons...do not leave out 2005 when team rode Portis' back to the playoffs.

Just because the team has not gone deep into the playoffs and won titles does not discredit that Portis has performed at a high level. Riggins had the Hogs in front of him...

i'm not in anyway taking saying Portis is better than Riggins....Stop taking things out of CONTEXT!!!!!!! Like you always do....I was compariong the facts about whatPortis has done thus far as a Redskin. Comparing him to the numbers riggins has posted in not comparing but complimenting BOTH players!

Posted by: leevi98 | May 6, 2009 2:31 AM | Report abuse

Unless Portis has some more very big years or does something great in the postseason, he's not going to the Hall. He'll be in the discussion, maybe final 15 or so.

On the Riggins comparisons, Riggins was a 3rd and short guy which is why his ypc were pretty small. Riggins goes to the Hall because of what he did in the playoff run and Super Bowl plus the year he scored 20+ TDs. Riggins had that classic 'moment', when all the eyes were on him, and he delivered. HOF voters love that. Without those things, Riggins is on the outside looking in. It was the '82-'84 seasons that were the difference between being an easy HOF call and an outsider looking in.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 6, 2009 2:40 AM | Report abuse

periculum, I wholeheartedly disagree with your assessment of Clinton Portis as a "loser." Guy's been the freakin' engine of this team's offense since the day he arrived, and you call him a loser?

He lost me when he opened his mouth to criticize his line, the HC, everyone but Clinton. So, when they gave him almost 40 carries in the 2nd half what happened? 3 yards and a cloud of dust. 2 TDs. But of course that's entirely Jason Campbell's fault, he will never be an elite QB. Its entirely the line's fault. Its Joe Gibbs 1980's offense, its Zorn!

The guy sucks. He doesn't go out into patterns and catch passes and run with the ball after the catch. He folds. He blocks, true, but not even close to what Riggins or Byner did. IN the redzone he has a hard time scoring. Blame Sellers why don't you? He doesn't block right.

He reminds me of Franco Harris at the end of his career. The guy used to run out of bounds, but kept playing to pass Jim Brown's record. You know what ... Brown threatened to come out of retirement when he saw that.

No, Portis isn't that bad but he is getting there. He didn't win the superbowl last year? What playoffs starting off 6 and 2? Yet he still won't do minicamp, he hates training camp, acts like he won the superbowl, that he deserves special treatment ... HE LOST, HE HELPED THe TEAM LOSE.

YOU know what Nate, if that happened to Byner or Monk they would have been in there working over time just because they HATED TO LOSE. Gary Clark would be visibly upset on a regular basis because they lost.

I don't see that in Portis. Hohum another year, I'm the owner's favorite player. I can say or do what I want. PORTIS IS A LOSER.


Posted by: periculum | May 6, 2009 12:38 AM | Report abuse

Talk about a contradiction!!! LOL Peri...are you not one of the people on here who talk about how bad the o line is????? If you truely believe that...how can you say Portis is a loser etc etc and everything you said above and blame it all on Portis if the O line is soooo bad....

So according to you...the o line problems are the downfall of JC and the wrs are why JC has also performed bad....BUT yet you throw Portis under the bus who has performed at a high level since being here and has proven he is a baller...but it does not apply to him?

LOL your a trip!

Posted by: leevi98 | May 6, 2009 2:41 AM | Report abuse

Unless Portis has some more very big years or does something great in the postseason, he's not going to the Hall. He'll be in the discussion, maybe final 15 or so.

On the Riggins comparisons, Riggins was a 3rd and short guy which is why his ypc were pretty small. Riggins goes to the Hall because of what he did in the playoff run and Super Bowl plus the year he scored 20+ TDs. Riggins had that classic 'moment', when all the eyes were on him, and he delivered. HOF voters love that. Without those things, Riggins is on the outside looking in. It was the '82-'84 seasons that were the difference between being an easy HOF call and an outsider looking in.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 6, 2009 2:40 AM | Report abuse

Z let me end this before it gets out of context from the original posts.

Nobody was comparing him to Riggins so to speak....i was showing Riggins stats and what Portis has done since being with the Skins...Riggins is the bar.

Reason for this was because people like Peri were calling Portis a bum loser and saying Portis sucks. So when you post facts and numbers...he gets angry! lol

i agree ...i do not thin CP is a HOFamer as of yet...but i disagree with him being called a loser.....especially when Peri blames the o line for JC problems and one of the only players who has been a proven gamer and is thrown under the bus when the same issues in JC's defense do not apply to Portis...I think it's silly....

I'm sure Peri will be all fired up with insults really soon! lol

Posted by: leevi98 | May 6, 2009 2:46 AM | Report abuse

No way to prove this, but I'd say Portis' meltdown the week of the Cincy game may have had a hand in that loss. We were still very much alive in the playoff hunt facing a team with nothing to play for in a 1/2 full stadium and came out flat. Portis dropped a screen pass that had TD written all over it.

Has the team chemistry cost us any games? I'm not sure.

Posted by: zcezcest1

He dropped a pass. You can read into that if you want, but it's a dropped pass from a guy who has CARRIED the offense for 5 years.

And, didn't Sellars fumble on the goal line in that game?

Posted by: pabrian2003

I was saying that the whole team was flat ... and that included Portis, the center of the storm that week, making an uncharacteristic mistake.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 6, 2009 2:47 AM | Report abuse

Seems 100 career TDs and 12,000 yards makes a very strong case for HOF. Portis is at 72 TDs and over 9,000 yards.

Still, Ricky Watters isn't in and he had nearly 15,000 total yards and scored 3 TDs in a Super Bowl.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/rush_yds_career.htm

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 6, 2009 3:19 AM | Report abuse

WaPo = Alpo

Posted by: AntonChigurh | May 6, 2009 5:45 AM | Report abuse

On the topic of our esteemed Nate in the PDX and strip clubs:

Nate in the PDX was born in a strip club, actually...

;-)

Posted by: Chia_Pet | May 6, 2009 6:51 AM | Report abuse

Willis.

Arnold.

Mr. Drummond.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | May 6, 2009 6:54 AM | Report abuse

aside from a few petty ongoing feuds among some familiar names (ahem) I think we're pretty good on that second category.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | May 5, 2009 10:46 PM

ongoing feuds = won't agree to disagree

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 6, 2009 6:56 AM | Report abuse

Last night on "Inside the NFL," Trent Dilfer rated the Redskins' 2009 offseason as the worst among all the teams.

Said something about having thrown their QB under the bus not once, but twice, and the impossible job that Coach Jim Zen is faced with in rehabilitating this young man's confidence.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | May 6, 2009 6:59 AM | Report abuse

Also said somethig about rumours that Mike Shanahan may be coming to DC????

Posted by: Chia_Pet | May 6, 2009 7:00 AM | Report abuse

Riggins goes to the Hall because of what he did in the playoff run and Super Bowl plus the year he scored 20+ TDs. Riggins had that classic 'moment', when all the eyes were on him, and he delivered. HOF voters love that. Without those things, Riggins is on the outside looking in.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 6, 2009 2:40 AM

If you look at the careers of HOF RBs, he a study in extremes. No RB in the HOF had a worse regular season record - he the only RB in HOF with ypc

Posted by: AntonChigurh | May 6, 2009 7:06 AM | Report abuse

Riggins goes to the Hall because of what he did in the playoff run and Super Bowl plus the year he scored 20+ TDs. Riggins had that classic 'moment', when all the eyes were on him, and he delivered. HOF voters love that. Without those things, Riggins is on the outside looking in.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 6, 2009 2:40 AM

If you look at the careers of HOF RBs, he a study in extremes. No RB in the HOF had a worse regular season record - he the only RB in HOF with ypc less than 4.0; he the only RB in the HOF with only 1 PB selection. On the other hand he the only RB in the HOF who played better in the post season than the regular season - RBs fade into the woodwork in the post season. With this feast or famine resume he in HOF in 2nd year! Amazing.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | May 6, 2009 7:15 AM | Report abuse

Last night on "Inside the NFL," Trent Dilfer rated the Redskins' 2009 offseason as the worst among all the teams.

Said something about having thrown their QB under the bus not once, but twice, and the impossible job that Coach Jim Zen is faced with in rehabilitating this young man's confidence.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | May 6, 2009 6:59 AM

From an article on the results of a psychological study of phobias: "What do men fear most? Humiliation and ridicule."

Posted by: AntonChigurh | May 6, 2009 7:38 AM | Report abuse

Clinton Portis is not a loser.

He is a bright, charismatic player who throws it all on the line Sunday after Sunday.

He will get HOF numbers, but without a ring, he just isn't a HOF player.

E Smith just might be the last great back to make the HOF in a time when most teams--not ours-- shed running backs just before they lose a step or become too expensive to keep around.

The last two comments about Portis are what's true: The constant re-doing of his deal has will have on the team perhaps a bit longer than what his value is as the 'primary' offensive weapon.

And Portis is not the only one: Jansen, Thomas, Rabach, Samuels, et al are at a point where most teams would've blown up the roster and made them sal cap casualities (case in point: the iggles let Tra Thomas and Jon Runyan go, then made the moves to replace them with younger guys).

The jints made a Sophie's Choice regarding D Ward and B Jacobs rather than getting into crazy sal cap debt trying to keep both.

Dallas waved TO away like, well, he had swine flu.

And there is the dividing line between the skins and other teams in the division: our FO loves players longer than some of them need to be cared for. But the reckless re-doing of contracts keeps them around for longer than what needs to be.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 6, 2009 7:52 AM | Report abuse

Frankly, I can't believe anyone would say Portis is a Hall of Famer. After Monk got frozen out of there for almost a decade, you'd be hard pressed to find guys that are a 100% lock to go in. If you look at it objectively, most HoF RBs have to have pretty gaudy stats (2000 yard season, 5 or 6 ypc and big career yards, etc.) to make it in without at least a Super Bowl appearance. Portis has never come close. Portis will be a borderline guy with some nice stats but no team accomplishments and will ultimately be on the outside looking in.

Having said that, I'm not sure why Periculum hates Portis so much -- he's no bum. There are lots of really good football players that don't go into the HoF...Portis likely to be one of those guys in my opinion.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 6, 2009 7:57 AM | Report abuse

We love 'em longer 'cause we pay 'em too darn much to begin with... yeech.

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 6, 2009 8:00 AM | Report abuse

If Portis gets a ring, he stands a slim chance. But without it, no way.

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 6, 2009 8:01 AM | Report abuse

Mike WIlliams poll so far.

There's not many other Skins fans at WF, he typed sadly.

~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | May 6, 2009 8:02 AM | Report abuse

chiapet: "Last night on "Inside the NFL," Trent Dilfer rated the Redskins' 2009 offseason as the worst among all the teams.Said something about having thrown their QB under the bus not once, but twice, and the impossible job that Coach Jim Zen is faced with in rehabilitating this young man's confidence."

Trent might be a tad sensitive on the subject of QB treatment, since the Ravens fired him right after a Super Bowl win.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 6, 2009 8:03 AM | Report abuse

What does Jason Campbell have to be confident about?

Why shouldn't he have been trade bait? Obviously if anyone wanted him, there would have been a deal.

All this bellyachin' over squat. The team may as well forfeit the season and sit around knitting doilies.

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 6, 2009 8:10 AM | Report abuse

All this bellyachin' over squat. The team may as well forfeit the season and sit around knitting doilies.

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 6, 2009 8:10 AM | =============================================

Aw come on, Mr. Shuttle.

Things will look better when Friday afternoon rolls around.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | May 6, 2009 8:16 AM | Report abuse

When that Shelton guy was asked to name a player he resembled in playing style, here's the answer he gave :

"I also asked Shelton, since I knew virtually nothing about him, what current player's game he thought he could be most similar to. "I'm not saying I'm as good as them, of course, but I'm more of a Randle El type. Like a guy that can get in there and slash, a quick guy. I like to block, and I'm kind of a physical receiver at the same time, so whatever you need. Like a Hines Ward guy. Whatever you need.""


Just cut the guy right now.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 6, 2009 8:19 AM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder - Steinbrenner
Vincent Cerrato - George Costanza

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 6, 2009 8:22 AM | Report abuse

Just cut the guy right now.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 6, 2009 8:19 AM

I'd rather keep him and cut Randle El...

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 6, 2009 8:23 AM | Report abuse

lol@Truth

Thunder, I'm not sayin' they should do that - but if they're going to throw away the season cryin' like they did last year it will be the same result.

The team needs to be making a run this year and next and then that's it.. Everyone will be too old after that.

Instead they're too busy imploding. Let's hope Blache can keep the team straight. 'Cause Zorn's hold is tenuous at best.

...sorry to be such a downer, but have you SEEN the weather this week!? (lol - quite a change from Miamuh...)

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 6, 2009 8:25 AM | Report abuse

DikShuttle

'...We love 'em longer 'cause we pay 'em too darn much to begin with..'


True

The phrase 'done on the cheap' isn't apart of the redskins vocabulary.

The problem is the expression 'failed to make the playoffs' has gotta be soon edited out.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 6, 2009 8:26 AM | Report abuse

I wonder if Darth Vinnie keeps his car in the Redskin Park lot overnight...

Locking his keys in his car was the best carreer move he ever made...

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 6, 2009 8:31 AM | Report abuse

moe, take away that first inning, and joba looked other worldly last night, although plunking Bay the way he did was a bush league move to me....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 6, 2009 8:33 AM | Report abuse

...sorry to be such a downer, but have you SEEN the weather this week!? (lol - quite a change from Miamuh...)

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 6, 2009 8:25 AM |
=============================================

I've been living in the middle of Ohio for over 3 years.

I'm starting to explore other options, if you know what I mean.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | May 6, 2009 8:34 AM | Report abuse

brownwood

'...I'd rather keep him and cut Randle El...'

Lost on a lot of us who hate on Randle "Fair Catch" El is that his deal was re-done in the right way: he will be able to leave the team at the end of this season (A Carter, too).

Hopefully, he plays like a guy who's auditioning for another contract from another team and has a good-great year.

Me?: I'd push Thomas/Williams and dare El to complain if I decide to give his playing time to younger guys who'll be on the team next year.

Randle El has been a certifiable bust as a free agent acquisition, plain and simple.

I'd even use one of the midget special teamers we brought in as the flanker receiver from time to time to let the entire wide receiver group know that NFL stands for Not For Long.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 6, 2009 8:37 AM | Report abuse

Let's hope this guy sticks. The team needs some other options for right tackle. I think "desperate" isn't too strong a word to describe their needs for depth on the offensive line. I'll grant them this, they seem to be finding guys. Now, whether or not they will be able to contribute is another story.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 6, 2009 8:39 AM | Report abuse

bean

Joba pitched well, but without the win, it's all meaningless.

If A Rod's bat doesn't help Big Tex big the end of June, the Yanks are done, and folks will write and laugh about the $400 Million Bombers Who Bombed.

I give all credit to Francona and the Sawx. They got rid of Manny, added Bay, and look like a they'll be in the hunt come October.

And by then, Smoltz and Dice K will be up and running.

But will they be enough to shut down the track/baseball team known as the Tampa Rays...I don't know.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 6, 2009 8:44 AM | Report abuse

Moe, I made that comment tongue-in-cheek. But I can get with your assessment.

I won't go as far as to call ARE a "bust FA" per se...he's not a bad guy to have on the team so long as you pay him and play him like a #3 WR and not an overpaid #2 (and I mean #2 in more ways than one). He's just another example of the glaring deficiency of this FO...the propensity to OVER value other team's FAs while UNDER valuing their own.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 6, 2009 8:46 AM | Report abuse

"Obviously if anyone wanted him, there would have been a deal.

Posted by: DikShuttle"

That's funny, because there are multiple reports of other teams that were interested in Campbell.

It truly puzzles me how people see one report, take it 7 steps further in their own mind, then spit it out as fact. The ONLY report that ever came out regarding Campbell was that Snyder was shopping him, during the Cutler fiasco, for a 2nd round pick. Not "the Redskins gauged offers for a 2nd rounder, but couldn't find any takers." That report has not and was not ever seen by anybody on this board, because it never existed.

It's very simple. Campbell wasn't traded because Snyder didn't get Cutler or Sanchez. Not because 'nobody wanted him'. As dumb as Snyder is with football sense, he's not dumb enough to dump his starting QB when there is no replacement in place. You think Snyder would be excited to see Todd Collins or Colt Brennan under center to start off the $100 Haynesworth investment? No, Campbell was contingently shopped for a 2nd rounder, but SNYDER didn't want to trade him once it became clear he wasn't getting Cutler or Sanchez.

But alas, as we all love to fabricate stories in our own mind, it's painfully obvious that Tampa Bay, the Jets, and Cleveland were bidding up to a 1st rounder plus a conditional 2nd to get Campbell's services. Snyder only asked for a 2nd, but the minute Campbell became available, those three drove the price up considerably. Didn't you guys see the report?

Posted by: psps23 | May 6, 2009 8:47 AM | Report abuse

moe, its still early, when the weather warms up, and Arod is back, Tex will startin hitting. Cold lousy weather to be playing baseball in. I will say I'm shocked at how many empty seats there were....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 6, 2009 8:48 AM | Report abuse

Mike WIlliams poll so far.

There's not many other Skins fans at WF, he typed sadly.

~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | May 6, 2009 8:02 AM

When I saw this post I was reminded of photos I had seen of Aaron Curry, the linebacker from Wake Forest who was drafted by the Hawks with the #4 pick. In the photos you can see the letters "WF" on his jersey. I thought to myself, "What if the school were called Wake "Thunder" Forest?" Would they put "WTF" on their jerseys?

Posted by: AntonChigurh | May 6, 2009 8:49 AM | Report abuse

brownwood

'...He's (Randle El) just another example of the glaring deficiency of this FO...the propensity to OVER value other team's FAs while UNDER valuing their own....'


True

No argument there

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 6, 2009 8:56 AM | Report abuse

PSP, that story wasn't widely covered. If you have links, would love to read. I don't remember JlaC harping on that during the frenzy & he probably would have..

Then again, there was all that weed in the 80s..

But you don't think the FO would have jumped to get a first rounder & conditional other?! Sorry, I just can't see that happening. Everyone knows pics flow OUT of Washington, not IN, with this FO.

And as far as driving the price up, it kind of just supports my point. Only one team was going to get Cutler, only one team was going to get Sanchez. And even with our QB & pic offerings those teams weren't interested....

I don't hate on Soup. I think he could pull it out & be good - for SJK's sake give him an O LINE!! But he has done nothing to make any team want to give up value for him.

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 6, 2009 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder - Steinbrenner
Vincent Cerrato - George Costanza

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 6, 2009 8:22 AM | Report abuse


Best kind is to kind ever.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 6, 2009 9:04 AM | Report abuse

bean

'...I will say I'm shocked at how many empty seats there were....'

I'm not.

I listen to Mike Francesa on YES when I get home, and fans complain about the utterly cold treatment they receive on the part of the staff working at the new Yankee stadium.

I felt the same way when I went to a couple of spring training games: that somehow, the rich team really felt above the fans who were behind its conspicuous wealth.

It's a tough trick to be making $15 million a year and feel for the worshipping fan who makes in a lifetime what you earn in half a season of play.

Somebody should pull all professional team owners aside and remind them that not everyone in the cities where their teams play gets a $200 a day meal per diem, after work meal, 1st class hotel and air fare accomodations.

The economy is bad and maybe the Yankees haven't realized it just yet. Empty seats in a city of millions should underline the financial hurt a lot of folks are grinding through.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 6, 2009 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Good to see competition for the RT starting and backup T/G positions. Assuming Heyer, Jansen, and Rinehart make the Skins final roster, then Bridges, Burley, Clark, M. Williams, and E. Williams will all be competing for at most two OL positions...

Posted by: siris | May 6, 2009 12:34 AM

E Williams could end up on the practice squad.

Posted by: skinfanman | May 6, 2009 9:06 AM | Report abuse

dik, the 1st and conditional 2nd was a joke. Obviously I don't think that's what was offered. Just saying that that possibility is just as likely as some of the other posts that people seem to spit out as fact, such as 'Campbell couldn't even get us a 4th rounder' (which I have seen ignorantly spewed on this board).

All I'm saying is nobody knows what Campbell garnered, because he was never traded and nobody reported any details on any discussions regarding him. It could have been that he nobody would even offer a 5th for him. It could have also been that teams were fighting for his services, willing to part with a future 1st rounder. We just don't know.

But there are reports of other teams being interested in Campbell. Cleveland was linked to an attempted 3-way deal in which Campbell went to Cleveland, Quinn to Denver, and Cutler to DC (with obvious draft picks put in). The Jets were reportedly interested in Campbell should they have lost out on Sanchez. And this is from the Bucs' beat writer's blog, about Doug Williams' interest:

http://blogs.tampabay.com/bucs/2009/04/gonzalez-to-falcons-and-other-draft-rumblings.html

Posted by: psps23 | May 6, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse

The O' line needs a competitive shakeup. I am tired of seeing quote star starters (jansen) making rookie mistakes in the redzone.

Competition for the right to play breeds better focused play in gametime situations.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | May 6, 2009 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 6, 2009 9:30 AM | Report abuse

phew, ok - I thot u wer serious.

Bucs ended up goin' w/ Leftwich at a better price point, I'm sure. And they picked up that rookie. They've got 6 on the roster now.

I guess my overall point is that no one is breaking down the door to get him. There is no reason for this sense of entitlement the media seems to think he should feel he is owed. I even saw a little bit of that creep into his attitude in some interviews.

Soup hasn't acheived anything and he shouldn't be bothered that the FO feels they could upgrade (regardless of how misguided those feelings are). Win something first, then feel jaded when they try to trade you. Otherwise, shut up and throw the ball... quicker.


grrr... I'm surly! hehe.

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 6, 2009 9:36 AM | Report abuse

From the Times Article:

Offensive line coach Joe Bugel said that while he hasn't ruled out bringing back Kendall, he's happy with young reserve linemen Chad Rinehart, Devin Clark and Rueben Riley. Kendall's return became even less likely Tuesday when Washington signed former Cardinals and Carolina Panthers starting guard Jeremy Bridges, who was impressive in last weekend's minicamp on a tryout basis.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 6, 2009 9:48 AM | Report abuse

mistamoe: "Randle El has been a certifiable bust as a free agent acquisition, plain and simple"

There's a difference between a bust and somebody who's overpaid. But that has more to do with the marketplace at the time he came up as a FA than anything else.

When the Skins signed him, he was coming off a 35 reception, 1 TD year. The first year in Washington he caught 32, had 3TDs, and also ran 19 end arounds for 118 yards. His yds per catch was off, however. Then in the second year, he started 13 games, caught 51, averaged 14+ per catch, but scored only once. Then last year he caught 53 for 4TDs. No rushing attempts to speak of the past two seasons, however.

So overall, I'd say he's improved a bit from his production in Pittsburgh.

Can't say he's a lot worse than the other second-leading wide receivers in the NFC East, because he isn't.

By comparison, he's been a useful, productive receiver who stays on the field and does his job. If they ever decide to run the Wildcat, he'd be a logical candidate for the Ronnie Brown role.

So why did they give him such a big contract? You'd have to ask Dan Snyder.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 6, 2009 9:54 AM | Report abuse

'...Kendall's return became even less likely Tuesday when Washington signed former Cardinals and Carolina Panthers starting guard Jeremy Bridges...'


Bridges plays guard/tackle.

Edwin Williams is a center.

Dockery is a guard.

Rhinehart is a guard.

So maybe next year, we draft a tackle or two like the jags did and be on the way to overhauling the o-line.

Let's hope the team doesn't panic and burn any of next year's draft picks.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 6, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

samson - that might be one of the most insightful, factually based posts ever made on RI, though "Barno Sucks" comes in a close second

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | May 6, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Let's hope the team doesn't panic and burn any of next year's draft picks.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 6, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Lets also hope that all the people of Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan also suddenly decide that they are no longer pissed off at us for years of screwing them over, and become pro-western over nigh.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 6, 2009 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Randle El has the third most receptions in the NFC East with receivers that are returning from last year.

I think I remember reading that.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 6, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

If I put on 90 lbs I could volunteer to be a lineman.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 6, 2009 10:08 AM | Report abuse

samson

He's still a bust as he's overpaid and performs no better than the likes of Patrick Crayton (39 receptions) and punt returns at a middling 6.5 average, the only touchdown return on a punt coming from Moss.

He also doesn't threaten as he has shifty speed, not game-breaking speed. He's small and easy to cover by a third corner. I can't honestly remember doing anything last season beyond fair catching, catching short passes, and pointing to the sky.

Measure the expectations the team had for him when he came and what he's produced and you get the same thing: disappointment.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 6, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

From NFL.com: "The rare exception occurs when a team hits it at quarterback, like the Falcons did last year. They drafted Matt Ryan and everything looked better right away. The receivers no longer looked lost. The offensive line that got blamed for giving up too many sacks in the Michael Vick era ... improved."

Lets do some simple substitution:

Falcons=Skins
Matt Ryan=Mark Sanchez
Michael Vick=Jason Campbell

And we have:

The rare exception occurs when a team hits it at quarterback, like the Skins did this year. They drafted Mark Sanchez and everything looked better right away. The receivers no longer looked lost. The offensive line that got blamed for giving up too many sacks in the Jason Campbell era ... improved.

Hah!

Posted by: AntonChigurh | May 6, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

If I put on 90 lbs I could volunteer to be a lineman.

Posted by: alex35332

The question is, how's your footwork?

Posted by: Curzon417 | May 6, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

There's a difference between a bust and somebody who's overpaid. But that has more to do with the marketplace at the time he came up as a FA than anything else.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 6, 2009 9:54 AM

I think the ire ARE is getting right now is the same thing that Juwan Howard got here for years...he's not a bad player, he's just nowhere near worth the money he's paid. That's something that's not his fault. But my problem with him is not his play at receiver, it's his running in circles on punt returns. If he ever cuts that out, he's a pretty good player.

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 6, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

"Portis for Sproles straight up? Are you on Meth? Sproles would end up wearing a pink bow on his helmet and sucking his thumb after the NFC East got through with him. In my opinion, If you put A.P. or L.T. in the NFC East they become C.P..

Posted by: wewbank1 | May 5, 2009 5:50 PM"

CP is better than LT and AP. They wouldn't survive the NFC East. The reason Portis hasn't been getting home run TDs lately is because of the offensive line. Put anybody behind the Broncos OL and you'll get an automatic 1,500 plus yard team rushing.

Posted by: RedCherokee | May 6, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

didn't the Falcons rehaul their O-line and bring in Michael Turner?

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | May 6, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Randle El has the third most receptions in the NFC East with receivers that are returning from last year.

Some guy named Steve Smith has more.

Heck, Matt Jones has more catches: but he's a druggie and we don't want him.

And a rookie named DeSean Jackson has more catches and is a better punt returner.

For less money.

So a no name guy, a crack head, and a rook are better than Randle El--a vet, mind you--and we are to be happy?

My money is on D Thomas and Roydell Williams.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 6, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Okay so let me get this striaght.

Saint Sean Taylor can assemble an armed posse over a couple of his ATVs someone boosted = hero, great guy.

Jeremy Bridges pulls a gun in a parking lot over someone who threatened him = villain, scum.

Just checking.

Posted by: ThinkingMan | May 6, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Bridges is 6'4 and 326. He has played mostly guard in the NFL and I think if Randy Thomas does not recover 100% from his injuries that you may see Bridges at RG in 2009.

Go back and look at his starts in Carolina. All were at guard.

I think Heyer is still the starting RT until we see otherwise.

Posted by: leopard09 | May 6, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Bridges is a quality player and a great signing. I actually expect he'll start this year....but at RG not RT. RT will be Heyer or Williams...also, if Williams can't get below 370ish why not look at him at guard as well, he played some guard his last year in the league before he hurt his back. Heyer next to a stronger guard than Thomas was is ok by me.

Posted by: redskinsfanatic1 | May 6, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse


Good to see competition for the RT starting and backup T/G positions. Assuming Heyer, Jansen, and Rinehart make the Skins final roster, then Bridges, Burley, Clark, M. Williams, and E. Williams will all be competing for at most two OL positions...

Posted by: siris | May 6, 2009 12:34 AM

E Williams could end up on the practice squad.

Posted by: skinfanman | May 6, 2009 9:06 AM | Report abuse

ya and then he will get snatched by another team jus like crummey and richardson last year

Posted by: AhsanFamily | May 6, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

RedskinsWillie, I didn't say anything about "all pro" numbers. Leading this Skins team in receptions and receiving TDs doesn't make one an all-pro.

And Sween I'm sorry my feelings about Thomas and Davis (I didn't say anything about Kelly) don't jibe with yours. Thomas has the tools to do well and Davis showed flashes last year. Davis is a better athlete than Cooley, he's already better versed in the offense, and Zorn has said he's going to play more. I'm not prepared to make judgments about the receivers' durability until training camp. And again, it all hinges on JC playing better.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 6, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

The question is, how's your footwork?

Posted by: Curzon417 | May 6, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

I was able to pull off a mexican hat dance after 5 beers last night.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 6, 2009 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Last year Zorn didn't carry many O linemen on the active roster. We need to go into games with adequate backups in case of injury.

Posted by: FedorEm | May 6, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

You gotta admit, ARE has been dreadful as a punt return man. Curious about who the skins may tab for that role this year. Hey Vinnie! Why not me? I'm 52, 5'6", 180 lbs. I make up for my lack of athleticism with really slow feet, though. Also, I'm a CAT scan tech in my day job. Bonus!

Posted by: bostskin | May 6, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

There was an article in one of the NYC papers about how, on the eve of the Jets minicamp, Mark Sanchez, having absorbed a good portion of the Jets' playbook, assembled the offense in the hotel the night before and mapped out how the team was going to run through their drills.

...

Um, Mr. Zorn, sir, could you please draw another picture of how that play worked? Thanks!

Posted by: AntonChigurh | May 6, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

ARE should be the punt returner and his receiving duties should be reduced. The Skins should utilize him just like the Stillers did. Maybe if he knew he wasn't going to play WR, he would return punts with more reckless abandon.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 6, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

mistamoe: "Randle El has the third most receptions in the NFC East with receivers that are returning from last year...Steve Smith has more.Heck, Matt Jones has more catches: but he's a druggie and we don't want him.And a rookie named DeSean Jackson has more catches and is a better punt returner."

You're kiddin', right? I mean, this is all part of some Dennis Miller-style rant. Has to be.

Here are the second-leading WRs in 2008 for the NFC East teams:
Amani Toomer, Jints: 48 for 580 yds, 4TD
Hank Baskett, Iggles: 33 for 440 yds, 3TD
Patrick Crayton, Boys: 39 for 550, 4TD
Randle El: 53 for 593, 4TD

But you knew that, right? You're just puttin' us on.

Likewise with Matt Jones and DeSean. They were number one on their respective clubs, not two. You should compare them with Santana Moss (Moss wins that one).

The second WR on the Jags? Dennis Northcutt with 44, and 2TD.

It ain't like the Skins don't have real problems. No need to make up others.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 6, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

I was able to pull off a mexican hat dance after 5 beers last night.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 6, 2009 10:35 AM

tee hee. Alex said he was able to "pull off."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 6, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Mexican hat dance? How is that going to help against any DE except JT?

Posted by: Curzon417 | May 6, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

So a no name guy, a crack head, and a rook are better than Randle El--a vet, mind you--and we are to be happy?

My money is on D Thomas and Roydell Williams.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 6, 2009 10:21 AM

Hey, there is a big difference between base and blow, Matt Jones got caught with blow.

Crack kills.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 6, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Samson, Jones' and Jackson's numbers don't necessarily reflect their places on their respective teams' depth charts.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 6, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Still grasping at straws for O-line. This is a plan B move at best for any other team trying to fix an OT problem. Still, for the sake of the franchise, I hope it works.

Posted by: Predator48 | May 5, 2009 7:54 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if this is plan be for the packers also

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/44402387.html

Posted by: jumbo5383 | May 6, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Samson151,
I dont have a dog in the fight but you are ranking by yardage and TT is going by # of catches...

Posted by: alex35332 | May 6, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

LH - JC17 or Line Play?

I agree it's on JC and the line play will be better than we expect. And I have been behind all 3 2nd rounders from day 1, including MK12. I hope he excels. If Rodyell Williams can catch on, I see him taking alot of ARE's offensive plays away.

And ARE will resort to being the highest paid Utility man in NFL history.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 6, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

The line play definitely has to be better but unlike many others I don't attribute all of JC's problems to line play or having to learn a new system.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 6, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

The 'learn a new system' bit is old and played out totally.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 6, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Cerrat was quoted in The Diner's Club Magazine as being sorry Dom DeLuise died. Said he was about to sign the 450 pound actor to compete for ORT.

Posted by: TheCork | May 6, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

'skins to sign two ex-Saints?


New Orleans cut WR Biren Ealy & TE Kolomona Kapannui two days after they were arrested for allegedly being drunk and exposing themselves to two women in a parking lot.

Sounds like these guys are a perfect fit for Snyder's growing collection of misfits, societal dregs and fat guys who will work cheap.

Posted by: TheCork | May 6, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

I am however pretty excited about the kid from MD E. Williams we drafted, sounds pretty quality and could be our back up and heir to the Center position. Giving us more ability to say adios to Jansen next year and start building a younger OL. Good article on the kid too.

Posted by: mhartz1 | May 6, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

The 'learn a new system' bit is old and played out totally.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 6, 2009 11:26 AM

I don't know, 4th. Remember how hard it was for us to learn a new system when RI introduced registration. Shoot some of the Regulars still haven't learned it (Megskin) and others haven't learned it well and had to register with bogus handles like zjfr2. Then there's that poor sod, ChRiS LarrY, who was completely thrown off his game.

New systems are tough.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 6, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Only way I see us having serious problems on the OL is if Samuels goes down with a season ending injury. Then Heyer is gonna get moved to the left and good ole turnstyle Jansen will be back in there. Unless Mike Williams is a real find. I am not counting on that as anywhere close to a certainty. The OL won't be dominant but we should have enough to get by in 2009. Next years draft better be the time we reload with some cornerstones and no more of this stop gap nonsense.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | May 6, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

easy cork...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 6, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

The line play definitely has to be better but unlike many others I don't attribute all of JC's problems to line play or having to learn a new system.

Posted by: learnedhand1

And you base this on what?

There's an old expression that ANY NFL QB, given good receivers a running game to draw DB's up, and enough time to throw, can be effective.

What better evidence is there than the difference in performance by the same QB when he had (1) a healthy line, healthy receivers and a healthy running back and went 6-2 with no interceptions and (2) had a beaten up line, injured receievers and a battered RB, and went 2-6.

Unless you are referring to the rest of the league catching up to Jim Zorn's more vanilla than vanilla offense and unimaginative play calling.

The offense is set up to fail the same way this year, with returnees who are another year older and a little bit more broken down and the misfit collection of fat guys and little criminals they're bringing in to supplement them..

The biggest hope is a turnaround by the 2nd round underachievers from last year and miraculously good healthy on the OL.

Posted by: TheCork | May 6, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Samson

Actually, the second receiver on the skins is Chris Cooley--83 catches, sir.

I'd bet the house that when Campbell goes back to pass, he doesn't think, "Moss is covered, so Randle El is the second option."

Cooley is getting the balls that should be going to Randle El.

And there lies the point: the FO is paying good money to a guy who--when he came here--intended to show the league he was more than just a gadget guy.

Rookie DeSean Jackson didn't start the year as the iggles' number one wideout: he became that as he couldn't be covered.

Toomer played behind Smith and Burress for the nine games he, Plax, started last year--effectively meaning, Toomer was the jints' third receiver until Burress shot himself out of the lineup.

Crayton played opposite a greedy wideout in Owens, and if you factor in TO's I-need-the-ball ego and Witten, well, he's a third receiver, too. He'll have way more catches with TO gone.

Randle El can be covered. Teams press him and roll their coverage away from him to stop Moss deep.

That's why the FO is bringing in people like Marko, Williams, et al. His 50 plus catches are good for a third wideout--which is what he is-- but that's not why he's on the team.

Give Thomas, Marko, and R Williams (he had 55 balls in Tenn) a shot to be the third guy.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 6, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Easy cork...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1

It's all a set-up. I've written a column on NFLDraftdog.com that's absolutely Pollyannaish--a more optimistic than Snyder in his dreams assessment of the redskins potential next year.

If you want a lift, I highly recommend you read it...

(Seriously)

www.tinyurl.com/corkcolumn

Posted by: TheCork | May 6, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

"Obviously it was harder on Jason, but you do think, 'Where do I fit in?,' " Collins said. "But I've kind of learned not to worry too much until something happens. I'm in a lot better condition than I was last year, when I had some nagging stuff in my shoulder. ... And it's so much better in the second year in [coach Jim Zorn's West Coast] offense, seeing the big picture and how everything fits."

Looks like the old vet Collins thinks there's a big difference getting a second year to learn the new system.

Posted by: Alan4 | May 6, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

MistaMoe, they might be docked a pick over Haynesworth, if the league finds evidence of tampering.

Posted by: CindyBoren | May 6, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

The 'learn a new system' bit is old and played out totally.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 6, 2009 11:26 AM

How so? If you're on the job and every year or two they're giving you a different position (which would require you to learn new things) wouldn't that effect your performance a little?

But if you don't adapt, you lose your job, I guess. Seems that your short-comings on the job wouldn't necessarily reflect you, but the leadership of the organization.

If Campbell is plum dumb, I blame Snyder, not Campbell.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 6, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: TheCork | May 6, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

MistaMoe, they might be docked a pick over Haynesworth, if the league finds evidence of tampering.


Posted by: CindyBoren | May 6, 2009 11:48 AM |

There was no tampering, how many times in the history of the NFL has a team been stripped a draft pick do to tampering?

1 or 2 times maybe and according to some everyteam in the league does it so nothing to worry about.

Posted by: Flounder21 | May 6, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Hey, anybody know if this Bridges guy is any good?

Posted by: FedorEm | May 6, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

"His 50 plus catches are good for a third wideout--which is what he is-- but that's not why he's on the team."

That is why he's on the team. He is, and always was, thought of as a 3rd 'slot' receiver. Brandon Lloyd was brought in to be the #2 opposite of Moss (which failed miserably). And similarly, that's why Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly were drafted.

Ripping on Randle El for not being a #2 is like ripping on Fred Smoot for not being a starter. Neither of those guys were signed for that purpose.

Posted by: psps23 | May 6, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Give Thomas, Marko, and R Williams (he had 55 balls in Tenn) a shot to be the third guy.

Posted by: MistaMoe

You don't spend a 2nd round pick on a "third guy." Thomas needs to be at LEAST a "second guy". Marko and Williams will be lucky if they make the active squad.

One's small school and inexperienced, the other was cut when he broke his ankle after his 55 catch season. HAS to be more to that story. You don't just cut a good receiver like that because he broke his ankle unless (1) it's career threatening or (2) it was a good excuse to get rid of the guy. It's not like TENN is overrun with quality receivers.

That said, anyone better than Thrash was last year has a good shot as a WR with the Redskins.

Posted by: TheCork | May 6, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Hey, anybody know if this Bridges guy is any good?

Posted by: FedorEm

His parole officer.

Actually, he was beaten out by a rookie last year, Otah.

Posted by: TheCork | May 6, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Neither of those guys were signed for that purpose.

Posted by: psps23 | May 6, 2009 11:56 AM

No, but Randle El is paid like a #1 receiver. Not his fault, but...

Posted by: RedDMV | May 6, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Cindy B

'...they might be docked a pick over Haynesworth, if the league finds evidence of tampering....'

If they do, let's hope next year D Snyder stands up at the owners' meetings and suggests the following rule change:

There should be a 24 hour period at the start of FA where a player's 'home team' gets first dibs at negotiating a deal.

The player wouldn't have to sign, of course, but it would give a team a final window to re-sign a player before he tests the market.

After that period, no team can jump in and cry, "Tampering!" as they had their last and best shot at a guy.

But like Flounder, I don't think anything will happen. Besides, Tenn could've re-sign Albert along time ago.

The Titans are just being small about this issue.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 6, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

And there is the dividing line between the skins and other teams in the division: our FO loves players longer than some of them need to be cared for. But the reckless re-doing of contracts keeps them around for longer than what needs to be.

Posted by: MistaMoe |

Well put Moe. Excellent analysis of what ails the 'skins.

Posted by: TheCork | May 6, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

"You don't just cut a good receiver like that because he broke his ankle unless (1) it's career threatening or (2) it was a good excuse to get rid of the guy."

Or because he costs too much. Though I don't know what his salary cap number was.

Posted by: psps23 | May 6, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Still grasping at straws for O-line. This is a plan B move at best for any other team trying to fix an OT problem. Still, for the sake of the franchise, I hope it works.

Posted by: Predator48 | May 5, 2009 7:54 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if this is plan be for the packers also


http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/44402387.html

Posted by: jumbo5383


Yeah I checked out that link. Interesting picture on the left side of the page which shows 2 DRAFTED linemen, One of whom was available to us when Vinny decided to pick up a converted RB in the 5th round.

So at least Green Bay's plan B includes building thru the draft. Which is more than I can say for ours.

Posted by: Predator48 | May 6, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

"No, but Randle El is paid like a #1 receiver. Not his fault, but...

Posted by: RedDMV"

I wouldn't say that. Randle El averaged $6 million per season in his contract. Top WRs average $10+ million (franchise tag is at $10 million). He's paid in line with top 2/3 WRs (still overpaid, but not near a #1).

Posted by: psps23 | May 6, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Red - This is the real world and not college. Time to adjust is a luxury not right....

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 6, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

This is from one of today's newspapers.

Consider the four major sports leagues, MLB, NBA, NFL, NHL. (In alphabetical order, and assuming you still consider baseball a sport).

In the most recent seasons, their total revenues, in billions, were: $8.0, $6.5, $4.1, and $2.6 (In numerical order from highest to lowest).

Now, over the last 20 years, the growth of their revenues, adjusted for inflation, has been 490%, 376%, 354%, and 202% (In numerical order from highest to lowest).

Okay, sports fans. Here's your assignment. Match the league with their revenues and with their growth over the last two decades.

You're free to talk amongst yourselves.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 6, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Bengals Cut Levi Jones
Posted by Mike Florio on May 6, 2009, 12:17 p.m.

The Cincinnati Bengals have released veteran left tackle Levi Jones. The team announced the move earlier today.

Jones was a first-round pick in 2002, and he quickly became a fixture on the left side of the line.

Signed through 2012, Jones was due to earn a base salary of $3 million this year. (Frankly, it’s a reasonable amount for a guy who by all appearances can still play.)

The Bengals held onto Jones until they could obtain his replacement, Alabama’s Andre Smith, with the sixth overall pick in the 2009 draft.

The departure of Jones means that both starting tackles from 2008 are now gone. Right tackle Stacy Andrews signed with the Eagles early in free agency.

The Bengals reportedly informed Jones after picking Smith that the team would try to trade Jones before cutting him. They found no suitors.

Now that Jones is on the market, look for the Bills to make a run at him, given that Buffalo traded left tackle Jason Peters and didn’t replace him with either of their first-round draft picks.

Posted by: redskinsfanatic1 | May 6, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

I looked at the WRS currently in the NFC East and if I recall, ARE was 4th in receiving yards. Moss was #1, jackson #2 and I forget who was 3rd.

In part, this shows the NFC East isn't a great division for WRs. In part, it shows ARE is a decent WR.

Of course, ARE is getting paid like he's a stud WR. Plus, he's been a disaster on PR. So I get the dislike for him.

I think both ARE and Carter are here for 2 more years on their contracts.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 6, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Revenues (Hieghest to lowest):

1. NFL
2. Baseball
3. Basketball
4. NHL

Growth

1. Baseball
2. Basketball
3. NFL
4. NHL

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 6, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

And you base this on what?...

Posted by: TheCork | May 6, 2009 11:42 AM

How he played the season before. Did changing systems hurt him in college? And believe me I so desperately want everything to be perfect or nearly perfect for JC (that is what is required for him to succeed right?) this year so that he can prove me wrong.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | May 6, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Revenues (Hieghest to lowest):

1. NFL
2. Baseball
3. Basketball
4. NHL

Growth

1. Baseball
2. Basketball
3. NFL
4. NHL

Posted by: 4thFloor

-------

I agree on the revenues.

On growth:

1. NFL
2. NBA
3. MLB
4. NHL

Posted by: psps23 | May 6, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Good to see competition for the RT starting and backup T/G positions. Assuming Heyer, Jansen, and Rinehart make the Skins final roster, then Bridges, Burley, Clark, M. Williams, and E. Williams will all be competing for at most two OL positions...

Posted by: siris | May 6, 2009 12:34 AM

E Williams could end up on the practice squad.

Posted by: skinfanman | May 6, 2009 9:06 AM | Report abuse

ya and then he will get snatched by another team jus like crummey and richardson last year

Posted by: AhsanFamily | May 6, 2009 10:29 AM

Last I heard Crummey was going to compete for the center job in Cincy.

Posted by: skinfanman | May 6, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Yeah I checked out that link. Interesting picture on the left side of the page which shows 2 DRAFTED linemen, One of whom was available to us when Vinny decided to pick up a converted RB in the 5th round.

Posted by: Predator48 | May 6, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Alot of people on this blog likes to point out the fact that the guy doesn't have very muich playing time at the linebacker position,but i would like to point out that he's a football player period..don't know how long you've been following the skins,but if you remember Darrly Grant was an o-linemen

how many people talk trash about san diego,and a few other teams for converting b-ball players into tightends? how many quarterbacks endup as safteys and or wideouts?


And they used draft picks to find themselves in the same situation that we are.except we have better options.

Posted by: jumbo5383 | May 6, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

bengals just released RT Levi Jones.. anyone think he would be a better risk than either Bridges or M Williams ?

Posted by: shally | May 6, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

fwiw, I think ARE is an example of a guy with multiple skills being asked to do multiple things and because of that, he never becomes as good as he could be. ARE has been a PR, WR, and a gadget play guy. That's one job too many.

Its time for the Skins to say that he's a WR and shed the PR role. I'd also like to see gadget plays that feature ARE become a more standard part of the offense. ARE has the talent do this and it will keep other teams from getting too aggressive. Roughly 5 times a game, ARE should be involved in a play where he is getting a handoff or a play fake.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 6, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

We can't afford him he will not take a vet min deal.

Posted by: Flounder21 | May 6, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

I repeat. People who point fingers at the BEST players totally lose all credibility......

You don't have to like Portis, but denying his skill has NO credibility what so ever.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | May 6, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

And let me just say that we complain about our o-line and praise others without acually knowing the inner workings,or thoughts of the organizations.

most people on this blog spurred by the praise of jlc talked about how young and solid baltimore's o-line was,and then they go out and trade up to get Oher,after letting go of the Brown guy and replacing him with a 30 something,and they don't seem to be all that happy with Jared Gaither eighter..doesn't seem like a good use of all of those high draft picks that they've used over the past few years to me.

Posted by: jumbo5383 | May 6, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

skinfanman

'...E Williams could end up on the practice squad...'

This irritates as you and I know it will happen.

From what I've seen in checking out a couple of places, Williams was rated as a top 10 center (5 in one place, 7 in another).

Folks complain about not drafting a linemen, but if Williams makes the team, he and Rhino might be the start of two new, younger lineman.

Does this make him, Williams, a possible steal?

Yes.

And could we use a young cheap o-lineman to 'train up' to replace Rabach?

Yes.

Will we make the fatal decision to put Willliams on the practice squad only to see him slurped up by another team.

Yes.

Is the reality of a possible screw up what's irritating.

Yes, and Hell yes.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 6, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

4th, psps--You're right on the revenues. You're both wrong on growth.

By the way, the total revenues -- $21 billion, are roughly equal to the total revenues last year of United Airlines. And the NFL's $8 billion is about the same as Whole Foods. $4.1 for the NBA -- think Liz Claiborne.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 6, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Levi Jones cut from the bengals... This is a no brainer to go after him.. Even if he is healthy for like 9-10 games..Heyer can hold down the fort at RT for a few games.

Posted by: jeffco01 | May 6, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Growth:

NHL
MLB
NBA
NFL

Closer?

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 6, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Last night on "Inside the NFL," Trent Dilfer rated the Redskins' 2009 offseason as the worst among all the teams.

Said something about having thrown their QB under the bus not once, but twice, and the impossible job that Coach Jim Zen is faced with in rehabilitating this young man's confidence.

Posted by: Chia_Pet

I'm not sure I'd go as far as Dilfer, but he has a point. Realistically, Campbell has gotten thrown under the bus 3 times. Cutler, then Sanchez, then Vinny's decision not to draft any OL.

To me, Campbell has shown he can play well and be a good to very good QB. When he had an OL that functioned he was a top 10 QB (close to top 5).

When you look at the stats another way, Campbell was a 95+ rated passer against teams ranked between 5-32 defensively. The Skins played 4 games vs the #1, #2 and #3 defenses and Campbell got eaten alive in those games. By comparison, Jay Cutler never played a game vs a top 8 defense. Other than teams in the NFC East or AFC North, no one played a tougher defensive schedule than Campbell (of note, dallas faced the top 5 defenses a remarkable 8 times!).

Campbell is part of the solution. The Spaghetti Gang is just too dumb to know it.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 6, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

I knew that 2nd part was a trick question! You are asking over 20 years is what made it hard for me....

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 6, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

"What better evidence is there than the difference in performance by the same QB when he had (1) a healthy line, healthy receivers and a healthy running back and went 6-2 with no interceptions and (2) had a beaten up line, injured receievers and a battered RB, and went 2-6.

Posted by: TheCork | May 6, 2009 11:42 AM "


What better evidence do YOU need than a craptastic Todd Collins coming in and being the ONLY different piece on a craptastic offense, yet managing to do more than JC did?


BOOYAH

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 6, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Just read the article on the WSJ. Pretty shocked at how much growth the NHL has had, considering the lockout this decade, and the 80's (before the 20 year cutoff for growth) was when Gretzky was in his prime. I would have thought that was the high point and then downhill from there.

Posted by: psps23 | May 6, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

"Samson151,
I dont have a dog in the fight but you are ranking by yardage and TT is going by # of catches...Posted by: alex35332"

Well, here are the numbers again, courtesy NFL.com:
Randle El: 53 receptions, 593 yds, 4TD
mani Toomer, Jints: 48 for 580 yds, 4TD
Hank Baskett, Iggles: 33 for 440 yds, 3TD
Patrick Crayton, Boys: 39 for 550, 4TD

OK, here are the questions I have:
1) These guys are WR. I didn't include TEs or RBs, because they are (follow closely now) not wide receivers.
2) Each is the second-leading WR on his club. Note I didn't say 2nd receiver, because that's usually a RB or a TE.
3) I also didn't say that these WRs are the second option on most plays, because frequently they aren't. But they are catching more balls and/or for more yards than the other WRs on their teams.
4) DeSean Jackson and Matt Jones are their clubs' leading wide receivers in 2008, so rightly ought to be compared to Santana Moss, Steve Smith (NY), and Terrell Owens (Dallas). That's because the leading receiver probably was the first option on most pass plays.
5) On the Skins and Dallas, the real second receiver was the TE. On Philly, it was a running back. That means that Randle El, the second WR, may have actually been the third option on many pass plays.
6) But to compare a guy like Randle El to players who are featured in their offenses like DeSean Jackson or Terrell Owens or Santana Moss, is IMO illogical. You should compare him to players who are asked to do the same thing he is.
7) I don't think ARE is a very good punt returner, either.



5)

Posted by: Samson151 | May 6, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

REDSKINS SIGN ANOTHER FINE CITIZEN

The Redskins have signed defensive end J.D. Skolnitsky, the team announced on Wednesday.

Skolnitsky, 6-5 and 260 pounds, is a native of Fairfax, Va., and played college football at James Madison University. He was a two-year starter at JMU and logged 120 tackles and 7.5 sacks.

Skolnitsky lost his final year of eligibility at James Madison after he tested positive for a banned supplement before an NCAA playoff game.

Posted by: TheCork | May 6, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

"Will we make the fatal decision to put Willliams on the practice squad only to see him slurped up by another team"

Man, f that! No way he comes here to "get right" to get placed on the practice squad, futhermore get signed to another team.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 6, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

4th--

20-year growth:

NBA -- 490%
NFL -- 376%
NHL -- 354%
MLB -- 202%

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 6, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Just to clarify...
We are worried about OL depth and future development. When our starters were healthy last year, they did a good job (though were not dominant). With injuries, the OL became the most significant weakness of the team.

The FO didn't use draft picks to address the OL long-term, but has actually done a lot to make sure we address depth along the OL. The more OL players they bring in the better the roster will be.

I trust Buges to hold onto the right guys.

(It would be nice if the final squad does NOT turn out to be a bunch of thugs though)

Posted by: _Stumped_ | May 6, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Cork,

The people that judge others, nornally do it to cover up for all the bad crap they have done in there lives.

Give me 1 team in the NFL who has a roster that has no bad character guys, you can't do it.

The past is the past if they screw up again there gone so who cares.

Without bad character guys Gibbs doesn't win any SB's.

Posted by: Flounder21 | May 6, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Last night on "Inside the NFL," Trent Dilfer rated the Redskins' 2009 offseason as the worst among all the teams.

Said something about having thrown their QB under the bus not once, but twice, and the impossible job that Coach Jim Zen is faced with in rehabilitating this young man's confidence.

Posted by: Chia_Pet

Ouch. Dilfer is much better as an analyst than he was as a QB.
Smart as a whip.


Posted by: TheCork | May 6, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

And let me just say that we complain about our o-line and praise others without acually knowing the inner workings,or thoughts of the organizations.

most people on this blog spurred by the praise of jlc talked about how young and solid baltimore's o-line was,and then they go out and trade up to get Oher,after letting go of the Brown guy and replacing him with a 30 something,and they don't seem to be all that happy with Jared Gaither eighter..doesn't seem like a good use of all of those high draft picks that they've used over the past few years to me.

Posted by: jumbo5383


While theres some truth to your statement, the results speak for themselves. Baltimore made it to the AFC Championship game with a rookie QB by mostly working the ground game.

Maybe some of their picks here and there didn't work out, but its apparent that they are doing something right.

Posted by: Predator48 | May 6, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Ah, the 20 year thing definintely threw me, though with growth rates so large, it shouldn't have.

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 6, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

So for now, I'm equivocating and cautiously optimistic about next season.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | May 6, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

On a separate note, today will mark the entry into the next great personal rivalry in sports. For years we've been able to watch Brady vs. Manning. Right now, we're in the midst of Ovechkin vs. Crosby. And later today, if all things are taken care of as they should, we'll be able to watch Messi vs. Ronaldo for the first time in the Champions League Final.

That's right, for those that doubt soccer, just take a gander at the highest scoring European team in the last 25 years this afternoon (or evening, if you catch it on replay). Keep your eyes on little number 10 in yellow. Pure magic. The quickest first 10 yards I've ever seen out of a team sports athlete. Stick that guy on punt returns and he'll shake & bake his way to the endzone quicker than Devin Hester. Barcelona will slice and dice Chelsea this afternoon like it hasn't been seen on their turf since Abramovich purchased the franchise.

Barcelona 4, Chelsea 1. You heard it here first.

Posted by: psps23 | May 6, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Not every player on every team is a saint. For all you "character" guys (which is so overrated), the 'skins have way more "good character" guys than "bad character" guys, or "cancers".

If I wanted a team full of saints, I'd follow some semi-pro church league where it's MANDATORY that you give thanks after scoring a TD.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 6, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Bucs Receiver Indicted
Posted by Mike Florio on May 6, 2009, 1:04 p.m.

Well, it’s once again time to re-set the arrest meter to zero.

Per our friends at Pewter Report, Tampa receiver Anthony Mix has been indicted for having sex with a minor.

Mix allegedly had a relationship with a 15-year-old girl.

He is charged only with contributing to the delinquency of a minor, which is a misdemeanor. He avoided indictment on felony charges of second-degree rape and sodomy.

Mix faces up to a year in prison and a $500 fine.

“One thing led to another and they decided to meet up,” Lester Banfield of the Bay Minette police told FOX 10 in Mobile/Pensacola. “We believe he was aware of the age of the girl. She snuck out of her house, they met, they had sex in the vehicle while it was parked on the street.”

Mix signed with the Bucs earlier this year, after spending 2008 out of football. He previously played for the Giants and the Redskins.

The Buccaneers had no comment.

Posted by: Curzon417 | May 6, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Ouch. Dilfer is much better as an analyst than he was as a QB.
Smart as a whip.


Posted by: TheCork | May 6, 2009 1:19 PM |

Just because Dilfer is a whiny b!tch doesn't mean JC17 is, this is a buisness he knows that. He also knows that he's playing for a contract this year, look for him to have his best year ever.

Posted by: Flounder21 | May 6, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

cork, mountain, out of a molehill. I posted this the other day, do your due-dilligence, and you'll see that its much ado about nothing......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 6, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Greg,

Cork is the character police, he has never done anything wrong in his life so he feels he can judge everyone else.

Posted by: Flounder21 | May 6, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Ouch. Dilfer is much better as an analyst than he was as a QB.
Smart as a whip.

Posted by: TheCork | May 6, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse
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Cork, I was planning to say something like that about Dilfer but didn't get a chance. Does anybody really care what Dilfer has to say? What credentials does he have to be an "analyst"?

Posted by: thor2 | May 6, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

"REDSKINS SIGN ANOTHER FINE CITIZEN

The Redskins have signed defensive end J.D. Skolnitsky, the team announced on Wednesday.

Skolnitsky, 6-5 and 260 pounds, is a native of Fairfax, Va., and played college football at James Madison University. He was a two-year starter at JMU and logged 120 tackles and 7.5 sacks.

Skolnitsky lost his final year of eligibility at James Madison after he tested positive for a banned supplement before an NCAA playoff game.

Posted by: TheCork"


Already been discussed here and RI as a group has already decided it's a nonstory you flaming sack of ****.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 6, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

it's still f soccer with a sick one...
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"The people that judge others, nornally do it to cover up for all the bad crap they have done in there lives." - Flound

Huh, man.... I was thinking the same thing, can't stand the holier-than-thou-types.

So what, he did a little 'roids when he was in school, BFD.

So, the 'skins signed two dudes who got sauced in public and showed thier junk to a few ladies, again, BFD.

The moves the front office have made of late haven't made you go 'WTF was that all about?' - yet. This "character" trip some of you are on just once again displays your constant discontent with the FO regardless what they do. It's so predictable from some of you, it's getting stale and boring.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 6, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

I bet all the Anthony Mix supporters disappear.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | May 6, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Cork, I was planning to say something like that about Dilfer but didn't get a chance. Does anybody really care what Dilfer has to say? What credentials does he have to be an "analyst"?

Posted by: thor2

OK, now that's it. Now I'm mad. When did they start letting uncredentialed analysts on TV? Did Dilfer go to an accredited 4 year college and with a major in analyst? Did he get an MFA (master of football analyst) degree. Or perhaps a PhD? I don't think so. I don't think so. So obviously, a guy who was in the NFL for a over a decade and has a Super Bowl ring has no credentials.

The networks should put a stop to using people without credentials. ASAP. Write your congressperson

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 6, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Samson

'...You should compare him to players who are asked to do the same thing he is...'


The basic thing it seems he, Randle El, supposed to do is be so much of a threat that teams fear him opposite Moss/Cooley, who, it seemed last year, Zorn placed on the same side of the formation.

In a game of pick your poison, he wasn't making the other team sick.

He wasn't a deep threat who created space underneath or could be counted on to out jump anybody for a deep ball.

To me, Reggie Wayne is the perfect 2nd receiver as his size and speed allows him to be more than most corners can handle. And now that Harrison is gone, Wayne is the guy in coltsland.

If Moss went down for a long time, what, a second receiver should step up and take over--but we all know Randle El would be taken over by a stud corner in a heartbeat.

He is what is was when he was in Pittsburg: a gadget guy.

Again: give the young'ns a shot. How could they be worse?


Posted by: MistaMoe | May 6, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Levi Jones cut from the bengals... This is a no brainer to go after him.. Even if he is healthy for like 9-10 games..Heyer can hold down the fort at RT for a few games.

Posted by: jeffco01 | May 6, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse


Considering we have no backup at LT for Chris Samuels, I say we take a run at him. But I wouldn't break the bank for the guy. He's had some injury problems, but apparently is still a highly rated pass protector when healthy.

Honestly between him and Chris Samuels, we can get a full season of solid play at LT...I have a feeling each will be healthy for like 8-9 games.

Posted by: p1funk | May 6, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

I guess that lod fart Cork is still wafting in the air.

Posted by: TWISI | May 6, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Damn! I was just thinking about Anthony Mix, was wondering if they were considering bringing him in for a 3rd looksie...

If it's true about him knowing the age of that girl, I hope he spends a little time inside, and is forced to cell with like pedophiles - that've been there for a while and have about 100 pounds on him.

But, if he didn't know, not to be funny, but can you blame him? Teenage girls are really bold these days, even more than when I was in my teens - which was about six years ago... You just got to keep your radars up for these types of situations if you're a single guy - especially one who appears to have his sh*t in order.

Regardless, Mix should've known better.

Posted by: RedDMV | May 6, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

The Buccaneers had no comment.

Posted by: Curzon417 | May 6, 2009 1:22 PM

Mix did though, "Her ID said she was 18!!!!"

Posted by: dcsween | May 6, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

I bet all the Anthony Mix supporters disappear.

Posted by: GreatOne1 | May 6, 2009 1:33 PM

It depends on what she looked like.

I did not think that getting the speschy speschy in a little room off the Oval Office was an impeachable offense ... though I lost a ton of respect for the former President because that woman, Ms. Lewinsky, is a skank.

Posted by: dcsween | May 6, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

beeped

Posted by: dcsween | May 6, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

beep beep...

Posted by: thor2 | May 6, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Interesting article I read: talks about Kristie alley and the weight that she gains. she is quoted as saying that she gained 83 pounds and when she stepped on the scale that she was screaming.

Not sure but you think it could have been the scale screaming?

Posted by: GreatOne1 | May 6, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: Cindy Boren | May 6, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe I'm reading about Diesel V Clinton. Riggo was the best ball control back in my lifetime. Been a fan of football since 1970. I didn't say greatest back, but someone you can give the ball to 30-35 times. I want a guy that can carry the stone that many times for 120 yards and a score. Rather than to Barry Sanders who will get that many yards in three touches. The Hogs didn't alwasy blow a wide open hole for Johnny, but when they did...see ya...ala Super Bowl 17. 4th and 1. I think a few of us remember that play. Clinton has ability heart and can carry the stone. He's just had some bad luck with injuries and instead of coming out, he stays in. Take away the injuries and Clinton is a Diesel clone, just faster.

Posted by: BingCreole | May 6, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Truth,
what happened to Collins after Saunders left? I'll remind you he looked like crap

Comparing Campbell to Collins is like a Hummer and a Jeep. They are both good but ones outdated

Posted by: pabrian2003 | May 6, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

what is with you people and hating on the ravens (if the shoe fits)? first of all their GM is one of the best in the no fun league. Oher was drafted to replace retired pro bowler Ogden, Gaither was a supplemental draft signee all 6'9", and Brown was the #1 rated FA at center this off season (did you see how he got paaaaaid by the Rams). btw, the skins pick of rhinehart was a garbage pick from what I have seen of him.HE GOT EATEN UP in preseason last yr. I guess my point is that miserable people want everyone else to be miserable (especially when they don't know jacksh*t).I root for and follow the ravens when not playing my skins (kinda tough living in the ATL and not subscribing to the NFL package).if you recall, the ravens swooped up marcus mason right away after being put on the skins pract squad.mason had been the best looking rb in camp that preseason.vinny "would be smart" (ha ha ha) to look 35 miles north to see who the ravens (& steelers) final roster cuts are because chances are that they not only can play, but knocking you silly is a given.HAIL SKINS!

Posted by: jenksredskins | May 6, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Cincy just released Levi Jones. He should clear waivers. Although he's had some injury issues, I think he would be a good option at RT, if he's willing to come for a moderate price.

Posted by: pln805 | May 6, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

bing creole

Portis lead the league in carries 2 years ago. Were comparing him to riggo, because he has a better career average and will in all likelihood surpass riggo as redskins all time leading rusher.

Is portis as cool as riggo? No, but he may be a better back if we had the best line in the game like riggins did he would be even better

Posted by: pabrian2003 | May 6, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

jenks,
F the Ravens. They then cut mason and he's back on our squad. And, hes not as good as Rock even.

We did get Lorenzo Alexander after the Ravens cut him.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | May 6, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

"Riggo was the best ball control back in my lifetime. Been a fan of football since 1970. I didn't say greatest back, but someone you can give the ball to 30-35 times. I want a guy that can carry the stone that many times for 120 yards and a score. Rather than to Barry Sanders who will get that many yards in three touches."

You too young to recall Earl Campbell?

Posted by: Samson151 | May 6, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

For those that thought Levi Jones was a good addition: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/teams/report/CIN/11707958

Posted by: fwroy | May 6, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

mistamoe: "To me, Reggie Wayne is the perfect 2nd receiver as his size and speed allows him to be more than most corners can handle. And now that Harrison is gone, Wayne is the guy in coltsland.If Moss went down for a long time, what, a second receiver should step up and take over--but we all know Randle El would be taken over by a stud corner in a heartbeat."

Isn't that cherry-picking? Comparing him to one of the game's best receivers, who happens to play with one of the game's very best QBs? Easy to find him wanting.

The second WRs job is 1) to get open and 2) to catch the ball when it's thrown his way. On lots of plays, he winds up being a blocker or even a decoy.

So does Randle El do that job? You'd have to sit and look at tape to know for certain. The numbers, however, suggest he does it about as well as anybody in the NFC East.

What the Skins need, IMO, is a more effective big receiver who can catch the ball in traffic. Somebody along the lines of Plan Burress without the criminal jacket.

Why don't you find us one of those?

Posted by: Samson151 | May 6, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Reading that article, I have to admit Levi Jones doesn't sound like a solution to anybody's right tackle problem. Or for that matter, at left tackle, either.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 6, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

speaking of earl Campbell and barry sanders, those two are tied for most TDs on first seven seasons with 73. Portis has 72 and is almost a combo of those two guys.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | May 6, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

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