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Skins Sign Chase Daniel, Maryland Lineman

The Skins signed undrafted quarterback Chase Daniel tonight, according to league sources. Daniel, who starred at Missouri, agreed to terms on a two-year deal and will participate in minicamp next weekend. The Redskins have also signed Maryland center/guard Edwin Williams and will announce a full list of free agent signings tomorrow.

Skins quarterback coach Chris Meidt began regularly contacting Daniel at the scouting combine and Coach Jim Zorn has also contacted Daniel by phone. Meidt repeatedly praised Daniel's passing and he will be one of four QBs in Skins' camp. Daniel's limited size, and the fact he operated in a spread offense that differs from most NFL systems worked against him in the draft, but he is a player the Skins were focusing on, according to sources.

New Orleans and Buffalo were also pursuing Daniel. With Jason Campbell, Todd Collins and Colt Brennan all under contract, the Skins have more passers than they will carry in the regular season. Brennan has earned high marks during his development and Zorn and executive VP Vinny Cerrato have repeatedly said Campbell will be the starter. Perhaps Brennan could unseat Collins for the backup role - the Skins considered signing free agent Byron Leftwich in that role a few weeks back. That would open up a space for Daniel; otherwise he would have to beat out Brennan, a 2008 draft pick, for the third QB spot.

The Skins gave Daniel a modest signing bonus as part of the deal, according to a league source.

By Jason La Canfora  |  April 26, 2009; 9:13 PM ET
 
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Comments

First??

Posted by: hokiesmokie | April 26, 2009 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Good. Let's get rid of Collins.

Posted by: hokiesmokie | April 26, 2009 9:28 PM | Report abuse

well that solves the QB problem right.

Posted by: alex35332 | April 26, 2009 9:30 PM | Report abuse

2nd?

Posted by: abxinc | April 26, 2009 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Edwin Williams hopefully he makes the team

Posted by: thehogs | April 26, 2009 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Well it's an extra arm for camp

Posted by: az_david | April 26, 2009 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Not to mention the Williams guy we just picked up recently weighed in at 410 lbs and can't come to the first mini-camp as a result.

Posted by: DCinSD | April 26, 2009 8:24 PM

Can't come? Why not? Can't wedge himself into a front loader? Dude could always roll into Redskin Park.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 26, 2009 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Williams is from DC, went to DeMatha, then U of MD, and now the Redskins.

No frequent flyer miles for him.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | April 26, 2009 9:33 PM | Report abuse

(self-post)

'...A good draft usually comes in a tall frosted glass, has a satisfying bubbly white head sitting atop a some amber colored, refreshing beer...'

Pour a double round of these for tonight's blog-crew.

Put it on Moe's tab, better yet, it's his bar--put it on the house.

Hail!!!

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 26, 2009 9:33 PM | Report abuse

I've looked into my crystal ball and have decided I can save Beantown the wait and see period, results of the Redskins 2009 Draft:

Orakpo - Similar career to LaVar, 5 shining years but really out of place as a true linebacker so take over next year for Carter at RDE spends most of his time taking on olineman and eventually breaks down sooner than you would think because he lacks the true bulk to play DE.

Barnes - Solid depth corner, nothing special, nothing too bad, ends up being what Tryon should have been and Tryon ends up cut. Decent player, little bit of a reach for a 3rd pick.

the 5th and 6th linbackers - one makes the team one doesn't, neither lasts in the league for more than two seasons

7th - TE = Tyler Ecker hangs around on IR and the PUP a year or two thanks to his knee surgery then finally cut after providing nothing.

7th - WR = Practice squad player

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 26, 2009 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Ok, now we're talking a little bit. If they add Boone and baby dockery to the list I'll be happier.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 26, 2009 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Can Edwin Williams be the interior Stephon Heyer? Hope so, because a player of his size will be needed to take care of those big DT/NTs that our line struggled with last season.

Posted by: psps23 | April 26, 2009 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Sadly, I like Daniels and Williams better than any of our 4 picks after Barnes.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 26, 2009 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Why do some people keep suggesting Orakpo lacks "bulk?"

He is listed as 6' 3", 263... Dexter Manley played at 6' 3", 253.

Are these people implying Dexter would be unable to play DE in today's game? If so, I say: pffffftttttttt

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | April 26, 2009 9:39 PM | Report abuse

I was wondering that too MrRedskin21

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 26, 2009 9:41 PM | Report abuse

This was an interesting draft for the Skins. Even though I really wanted a tackle drafted, I get the feeling that this draft was more about next year than anything else. The drafting of a fullback that can catch well means that Sellars may be gone next year. We are supposed to be running a WCO, and that pick sounds like Zorn's doing. I like the Orakpo pick, and the Barnes pick is good too, meaning Smoot most likely will not be here next year. In my mind, drafting to replace people you know you are most likey going to cut is a good thing, so we won't have to replace those guys with free agents next year. But we really need to get a RT asap, and maybe the June 1st cuts will bring one. Unlike many of you, I will not assign a grade on this draft class until next year. The draft is a crap shoot, and we never know who will be a baller and who will be a bust.

Posted by: dolemite1 | April 26, 2009 9:41 PM | Report abuse

"Daniel's limited size, and the fact he operated in a spread offense that differs from most NFL systems worked against him in the draft, but he is a player the Skins were focusing on, according to sources." Colt is a runt also and Collins, though tall, is skinny. With the the so-called "swiss cheese" line some expect the Skins will have in 2009 they might have been better off signing Leftwich, who is beefy enough to take a licking and still keep ticking.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 26, 2009 9:41 PM | Report abuse

I've looked into my crystal ball and have decided I can save Beantown the wait and see period, results of the Redskins 2009 Draft:

Orakpo - Similar career to LaVar, 5 shining years but really out of place as a true linebacker so take over next year for Carter at RDE spends most of his time taking on olineman and eventually breaks down sooner than you would think because he lacks the true bulk to play DE.

Barnes - Solid depth corner, nothing special, nothing too bad, ends up being what Tryon should have been and Tryon ends up cut. Decent player, little bit of a reach for a 3rd pick.

the 5th and 6th linbackers - one makes the team one doesn't, neither lasts in the league for more than two seasons

7th - TE = Tyler Ecker hangs around on IR and the PUP a year or two thanks to his knee surgery then finally cut after providing nothing.

7th - WR = Practice squad player

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 26, 2009 9:34 PM | Report abuse


GO BACK TO YOUR COWBOYS MESSAGE BOARD WITH THE KICKER THAT CAN BENCH PRESS AND RUN FAST!!

These are our guys now so let's wish them the best and stop being a miserable prick.

Posted by: AdamCr | April 26, 2009 9:42 PM | Report abuse

What a depressing draft. Too few picks, too many used badly. Did anyone explain to Cerrato he was drafting for the Redskins? Do they even scout offensive linemen?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | April 26, 2009 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Why do some people keep suggesting Orakpo lacks "bulk?"

He is listed as 6' 3", 263... Dexter Manley played at 6' 3", 253.

Are these people implying Dexter would be unable to play DE in today's game? If so, I say: pffffftttttttt

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | April 26, 2009 9:39 PM | Report abuse

When Manley played a big offensive tackle was 270 pounds....now they're 340 pounds. In our division we'll face a running back twice a year that is bigger than Orakpo (Jacobs). Follow along, over the last few years players have gotten bigger.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 26, 2009 9:44 PM | Report abuse

DeMarcus Ware is 6'4" 262, does he have enough bulk?

Rak has the same specs, basically. Lose that argument.

If we drafted Tyson Jackson you'd have called him a young Renaldo Wynn and whined that we need a speed guy that can get to the quarterback.

Posted by: AdamCr | April 26, 2009 9:44 PM | Report abuse

UDFA list so far...

QB Chase Daniel
OL Scott Burley
DE Derek Walker
C Edwin Williams

Posted by: SantanaClaus89 | April 26, 2009 9:47 PM | Report abuse

The Giants Karl Nelson, who played against Manley, was 6' 6', 285.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | April 26, 2009 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Osi Umenyiora Height: 6 ft 3 in (1.91 m) Weight: 261 lb (118 kg)

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 26, 2009 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Well thats a good start, hopefully we can add a few more linemen with upside and some other depth players. I think the Skins will end up regretting not taking Rashard Jennings from Liberty. Hopefully they can add a bit back that could help in goal line situations.

Posted by: Steveo11 | April 26, 2009 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Vinny said "it really wasn't a deep draft for offensive linemen". Excuse me. How did Jaguars pick up two top tackles? New England got two tackles and one guard in the draft. Steelers drafted a guard and center. Just say that you know nothing about the draft, Vinny. I only see one player in this draft and one player from last year's helping the Skins this year.

Posted by: japark89 | April 26, 2009 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Jla just responded to an email of mine saying that there is a chance Alex Boone is signed as well as baby Dockery being extremely likely. if that happens things are looking up, those two along with Chase and Williams are 4 better pickups then what they did after Barnes.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 26, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

...it's also important to consider where we were 48 hours ago. I thought we'd have no picks to complain about, on account an unproven qb cheesing all around town. Be thankful.

OL from Maryland, let's hope he can help out.

Posted by: AdamCr | April 26, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Reports are that the Bengals will cut or trade Levi Jones because they drafted Andre Smith. The Redskins, despite their salary constraints, should be all over him, IMO.

Posted by: dwill2 | April 26, 2009 9:50 PM | Report abuse

UDFA list so far...

QB Chase Daniel
OL Scott Burley
DE Derek Walker
C Edwin Williams
WR Josh Briscoe

Posted by: SantanaClaus89 | April 26, 2009 9:50 PM | Report abuse

But we really need to get a RT asap, and maybe the June 1st cuts will bring one. ...

Posted by: dolemite1 | April 26, 2009 9:41 PM

It ain't like they didn't have their chances - Ray Willis of Seattle and now Oher. The FO sniffed around and decided to pass. They must have some kind of forward-looking masterplan in mind.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 26, 2009 9:51 PM | Report abuse

DeMarcus Ware is 6'4" 262, does he have enough bulk?

Rak has the same specs, basically. Lose that argument.

If we drafted Tyson Jackson you'd have called him a young Renaldo Wynn and whined that we need a speed guy that can get to the quarterback.

Posted by: AdamCr | April 26, 2009 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Actually I don't, Ware plays OLB in a 3-4 not a traditional LB or end either in a 4-3. Its a totally different system/position than how Orakpo will play. IF we ran a 3-4 I would love the pick. And in fact I still do hope we go to a 3-4 but if we keep running a 4-3 Orakpo lacks a true position in our system.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 26, 2009 9:51 PM | Report abuse

I like both of these signings.

Williams at least gives a glimmer of hope at Center.

Daniels was extremely productive- can't hurt to bring him in and let him compete.

And JLC was right about Redskins interest in Williams

Posted by: lowtharofthehill | April 26, 2009 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Update to alleged UDFA list:
QB Chase Daniel (Missouri)
OT Scott Burley (Maryland)
DE Derek Walker (Illinois)
WR Josh Briscoe (Tennessee)
C Edwin Wiliams (MDU)

Posted by: lifelongfan | April 26, 2009 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Happy about the Edwin Williams signing (as happy as I can be about UDFA)

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 26, 2009 9:51 PM | Report abuse

'...Rak...'

So what' the nickname for Brian Orakpo:

"Rak" or "the Big O"?

We know it's not "Okra" or "Pook-a"

We just hope it never becomes "Krap"

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 26, 2009 9:52 PM | Report abuse

UDFA list so far...

QB Chase Daniel
OL Scott Burley
DE Derek Walker
C Edwin Williams

Posted by: SantanaClaus89 | April 26, 2009 9:47 PM | Report abuse

where are you guys gettin ur updates from about the UDFA...love the williams signing tho

Posted by: AhsanFamily | April 26, 2009 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Actually I don't, Ware plays OLB in a 3-4 not a traditional LB or end either in a 4-3. Its a totally different system/position than how Orakpo will play. IF we ran a 3-4 I would love the pick. And in fact I still do hope we go to a 3-4 but if we keep running a 4-3 Orakpo lacks a true position in our system.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 26, 2009 9:51 PM

I guess Osi and Justin Tuck are undersized for a 4-3 then huh?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 26, 2009 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Vinny said "it really wasn't a deep draft for offensive linemen". Excuse me. How did Jaguars pick up two top tackles? New England got two tackles and one guard in the draft. Steelers drafted a guard and center. Just say that you know nothing about the draft, Vinny. I only see one player in this draft and one player from last year's helping the Skins this year.

Posted by: japark89 | April 26, 2009 9:48 PM | Report abuse


Jacksonville had those picks before our third.

NE took most of guys late, who knows how they'll work out. Just bc NE picks someone doesn't make him a great pick, although of course their track record is better than ours.

If we picked Edwin Williams, Boone or anybody else in the 5th round, you'd be happy, saying great for "addressing the line", although you know squat about these guys when it comes down to it except what's on their espn tearsheet, yet you're whining we signed them off the street??

Posted by: AdamCr | April 26, 2009 9:54 PM | Report abuse

NOW the FO goes after O-linemen!!!! I knew this draft was deep, but oh,my..... C EDWIN WILLIAMS and OT SCOTT BURLEY. And the beat goes on. Let's see just how good our scouts are. We need an OG. LEWIS from TENNESSEE STATE please.

Posted by: glawrence007 | April 26, 2009 9:54 PM | Report abuse

where are you guys gettin ur updates from about the UDFA...love the williams signing tho

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http://www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2009/04/2009-undrafted-free-agent-signings-list.html

Posted by: lifelongfan | April 26, 2009 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Yeah we'd pass on Demarcus if Dallas offered him to us because he doesn't fit our "scheme". Ha!

Just admit when you're wrong.

Posted by: AdamCr | April 26, 2009 9:57 PM | Report abuse

I thought we trusted Morocco Brown around here. Chill out and let the man operate...

Posted by: AdamCr | April 26, 2009 9:57 PM | Report abuse

I thought we trusted Morocco Brown around here. Chill out and let the man operate...

Posted by: AdamCr | April 26, 2009 9:57 PM | Report abuse

we do!!! he only put together one of the most respected practice squads around the league last year...skins players were gettin picked off the list left and right

if morocco can find talent like this, imagine what he could do if he was the GM...could be like a pioli, ozzie newsome, jerry reese...too bad tho, hes in DC

Posted by: AhsanFamily | April 26, 2009 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Of course there's no telling if Barnes can cover in the NFL, but the clips I've seen of the way he hits is impressive.

You can never have enough secondary players who are willing to sacrifice themselves to knock the hell of other players.

As great a return man and pickoff artist as Deion Sanders was, there are no highlight reels of "spectacular tackles by Neon Deion."

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | April 26, 2009 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Strahan was 6'5" 255, this is fun. He wasn't nearly durable enough either. Chump couldn't survive the NFC East. Poor guy had to face Flozell Adams and them.

Posted by: AdamCr | April 26, 2009 10:03 PM | Report abuse

These are some of the following DE in the league, most of which are the sack leaders on their respective teams.
6-1 268 Dwight Freeney
6-4 263 John Abraham
6-5 258 Gaines Adams
6-6 270 Jared Allen
6-4 265 Aaron Kampman
6-4 243 Aaron Schobel
6-3 260 Darren Howard
6-3 260 Betrand Berry
Orakpo will be just fine at his size. Was Jason Taylor too light for what we do, yes. So stop with the Orakpo is a tweener nonsense.

Posted by: dolemite1 | April 26, 2009 10:03 PM | Report abuse

As great a return man and pickoff artist as Deion Sanders was, there are no highlight reels of "spectacular tackles by Neon Deion."

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | April 26, 2009 10:02 PM

He invented the "back tackle."

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 26, 2009 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Rak was his nickname at Texas. Hook 'em! I like Doc calling him Baby Manchild too.

Posted by: AdamCr | April 26, 2009 10:04 PM | Report abuse

zijifer has been put to sleep.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 26, 2009 10:05 PM | Report abuse

I thought we trusted Morocco Brown around here. Chill out and let the man operate...

Posted by: AdamCr | April 26, 2009 9:57 PM | Report abuse


we do!!! he only put together one of the most respected practice squads around the league last year...skins players were gettin picked off the list left and right

if morocco can find talent like this, imagine what he could do if he was the GM...could be like a pioli, ozzie newsome, jerry reese...too bad tho, hes in DC

Posted by: AhsanFamily | April 26, 2009 10:00 PM |


I tend to agree but it doesn't always translate. But as far as people freaking out about our late picks and whining about Vinny, this is the Morocco Zone, so the whining is getting old. Be happy for one day.

Posted by: AdamCr | April 26, 2009 10:07 PM | Report abuse

>So what' the nickname for Brian Orakpo:

how about, "the only B.O. i'd vote for"?

Posted by: DreamOutLoud | April 26, 2009 10:08 PM | Report abuse

does anyone know who got louie sakoda the kicker/punter from Utah? Man we need that guy. I live in SLC right now and he is amazing. We could use him to kick AND punt.

Posted by: parasonic | April 26, 2009 10:08 PM | Report abuse

FO is sabotaging JC by not taking O-line on purpose.

Yeah, I said it.

That way they have a reason to not resign him after this year.

Sorry, but its true.

Posted by: Rypien11 | April 26, 2009 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Good ole jack, pulling a periculum tonight.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 26, 2009 10:13 PM | Report abuse

I would like for everyone to write down the names of the people they were begging for the front office to draft, and then let's see how they did this time next year. Cause hindsight is 20/20, and at this time of year everyone's an expert. Morocco Brown seems to know his stuff, so for us to just put all blame on Vinny is wrong. Draft wise, I like Vinnie's overall track record. Its the free agents the owner likes to chase I have issues with.

Posted by: dolemite1 | April 26, 2009 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Its a shame that the Redskins use undrafted players and June 1 cuts to fill out/make the roster. The good front offices actually use that two day event that just ended to do this.

Posted by: vwilli1 | April 26, 2009 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Sakoda was not drafted

Posted by: lifelongfan | April 26, 2009 10:15 PM | Report abuse

UDFA list so far...

QB Chase Daniel
OL Scott Burley
DE Derek Walker
C Edwin Williams
Posted by: SantanaClaus89
Great we need all the Burley lineman we can get.

Posted by: djorl | April 26, 2009 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Its a shame that the Redskins use undrafted players and June 1 cuts to fill out/make the roster. The good front offices actually use that two day event that just ended to do this.

Posted by: vwilli1 | April 26, 2009 10:14 PM |

The Giants have several on their OLine. It's not the worst thing in the world, as long as you don't overly rely on it. Lots of people on this board also say why can't we do it like Jack Kent Cooke, when this was his MO too (I know, pre-free agency, but still). The entire line can't be Outland Trophy winners. We used our top pick well in 2009, as far as I can tell.

Posted by: AdamCr | April 26, 2009 10:18 PM | Report abuse

FO is sabotaging JC by not taking O-line on purpose.

Yeah, I said it.

That way they have a reason to not resign him after this year.

Sorry, but its true.

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Why? On the off chance they like another QB next year? The FO may not be great but I do believe that everything they do is to try and win (unfortunately they have not been too successful). And of course they don't mind making money too. Not sure why they passed on OL but I seriously doubt it was to purposely make the team weak.

Posted by: lifelongfan | April 26, 2009 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Look at how we drafted the linebackers. One linebacker was drafted to help out his friend.

On linebacker Cody Glenn:

"He had been a running back. Bo Pelini worked for me in San Francisco, he was my draft room guy. I have known Bo forever and Bo really likes him a lot."

Another was drafted to help his sister.
Linebacker Robert Henson

My sister is a Minister for Bishop Jakes down there and [Robert] is married to Bishop Jakes' daughter. I called my sister this afternoon and asked if she knew him. She said, 'Yeah I've known the family, I've known the daughter, they are expecting a child and he is a great kid.'"

Posted by: japark89 | April 26, 2009 10:20 PM | Report abuse

My sister is a Minister for Bishop Jakes down there and [Robert] is married to Bishop Jakes' daughter. I called my sister this afternoon and asked if she knew him. She said, 'Yeah I've known the family, I've known the daughter, they are expecting a child and he is a great kid.'"

Posted by: japark89

WTF? So his plumbing works. I got a sparkling haircut today. Want to draft me?

Posted by: all_star_0013 | April 26, 2009 10:24 PM | Report abuse

And c'mon, Orakpo will be a pass rushing specialist. No rookies play three downs their first year.

Posted by: SteveMG | April 26, 2009 9:26 PM

My assumption was that all the chatter before the draft was that Orakpo was a no-brainer about solid, strong, smart, and NFL ready ... and that the idea was that he'd be playing on the strong side for the first two downs (with Daniels/Wynn stopping the run at end) and then becoming the third down DE.

The only negative news I read about Orakpo was "durability concerns" (which I THINK refers to not playing through pain, rather than actually broken ... like Springs), but all I read about were knee sprains rather than anything requiring surgery during his college campaign. I recall reading Beantown Greg that he thought Orakpo would be a bad idea (this was over the past couple weeks), but I don't remember why. Everything I read about his sounds great ... lots of awards, such as.

Also, seems like everyone the Skins picked has lost playing time in college due to an injury requiring surgery (other than Orakpo).

Finally (yeah, right), Alex Boone (OT/Ohio State) has a booze problem. Too immature (or genetically pre-disposed to alcoholism). Hence, the reason for his PLUMMET from being an early projected first rounder to undrafted. Which is to say, the FO will sign him no questions asked.

Posted by: dcsween | April 26, 2009 10:24 PM | Report abuse

How does that help either?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 26, 2009 10:25 PM | Report abuse

49 niners appear to have signed Boone

Posted by: lifelongfan | April 26, 2009 10:26 PM | Report abuse

"Strahan was 6'5" 255, this is fun. He wasn't nearly durable enough either. Chump couldn't survive the NFC East. Poor guy had to face Flozell Adams and them.Posted by: AdamC"

Strahan is 6'3. Or a hair under.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 26, 2009 10:26 PM | Report abuse

... I got a sparkling haircut today. Want to draft me?

Posted by: all_star_0013 | April 26, 2009 10:24 PM

Good point ... I just saved a bundle on car insurance.

Posted by: dcsween | April 26, 2009 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Finally (yeah, right), Alex Boone (OT/Ohio State) has a booze problem. Too immature (or genetically pre-disposed to alcoholism). Hence, the reason for his PLUMMET from being an early projected first rounder to undrafted. Which is to say, the FO will sign him no questions asked.

Posted by: dcsween | April 26, 2009 10:24 PM

Someone else already signed him.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 26, 2009 10:27 PM | Report abuse

The problem was the lack of picks. If the Redskins don't give up the 2nd rounder for Jason Taylor last season, they get Unger or Loadboalt to play RT. As it was, they decided that their top two needs was DE of the present and CB of the future, and they filled those needs with the top 2 picks.

The Redskins feel that there is no real difference between the OLs that you can get after the 4th round and the OLs that you can sign as free agents (whether undrafted or cheap veterans). Is Fenuki Tupoi, whom the Eagles took in the 5th round right after the 'Skins took Cody Glenn, going to play any better than the two undrafted free agents that the Redskins signed, or better than 410 lb. Mike Williams? There is a much better chance of Cody Glenn becoming a player at OLB two years from now than Fenuki Tupoi is of blocking Justin Tuck and DeMarcus Ware this year.

Jason Campbell has one more year to show that he can get it done with a bad line. If he can, then the Redskins will certainly use their #1 pick next season on a RT. If the Redskins were sold on Campbell, they most certainly would have drafted Oher (or perhaps even Jeremy Maclin!) to maximize his chances of success. But Snyder and Cerrato aren't sold on Campbell, so they picked the guy that they believe will win more games for them the next 6 years. Right now, Jason Campbell is not the franchise player that they are building around, Albert Haynesworth is, and they got two pieces that will help Haynesworth this season and a couple more guys that can will A) be big fast gunners on special teams and B) may develop into interesting options on passing downs in a couple of years.

Bottom line: the Redskins have no confidence in Campbell, and believe that until they can replace him, their best chance of winning is to run the ball with Portis and Betts, play defense with Haynesworth, Orakpo, and the secondary, and try to do something on special teams, with anything they get from their passing game being a bonus. You might say that you need a better OL in order to pull that off, well I say that if Mike Williams can get to 365 lbs. he may surprise you as a run blocking offensive guard. He reminds me of another huge Texas Longhorn: Leonard Davis. Davis failed with the Arizona Cardinals at OT, but went to Dallas and became a Pro Bowl guard.

Posted by: norcrossman | April 26, 2009 10:28 PM | Report abuse

The only negative news I read about Orakpo was "durability concerns" (which I THINK refers to not playing through pain, rather than actually broken ... like Springs), but all I read about were knee sprains rather than anything requiring surgery during his college campaign. I recall reading Beantown Greg that he thought Orakpo would be a bad idea (this was over the past couple weeks), but I don't remember why. Everything I read about his sounds great ... lots of awards, such as.

Also, seems like everyone the Skins picked has lost playing time in college due to an injury requiring surgery (other than Orakpo).

Finally (yeah, right), Alex Boone (OT/Ohio State) has a booze problem. Too immature (or genetically pre-disposed to alcoholism). Hence, the reason for his PLUMMET from being an early projected first rounder to undrafted. Which is to say, the FO will sign him no questions asked.

Posted by: dcsween

Look at it this way. He's better than DE we currently have on the roster. If he only gets five sacks as a rookie, he's still better than our current DEs.

Posted by: all_star_0013 | April 26, 2009 10:28 PM | Report abuse

We just signed some WR from Oregon- Jaison Williams.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 26, 2009 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Good point ... I just saved a bundle on car insurance.

Posted by: dcsween

That's funny... Can I get you in the 7th round??

Posted by: all_star_0013 | April 26, 2009 10:31 PM | Report abuse

"Strahan was 6'5" 255, this is fun. He wasn't nearly durable enough either. Chump couldn't survive the NFC East. Poor guy had to face Flozell Adams and them.Posted by: AdamC"

Strahan is 6'3. Or a hair under.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 26, 2009 10:26 PM | Report abuse

http://www.nfl.com/players/michaelstrahan/profile?id=STR122552

Either you know better than the NFL or they made a mistake. Point stands, Rak's body type is not the problem here.

Posted by: AdamCr | April 26, 2009 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Saint appear to have signed Dockery

Posted by: lifelongfan | April 26, 2009 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: norcrossman

The "experts" were all saying this was a weak draft. This was the one year to have just a few picks based on these experts.

Keep in mind, who are we going to cut if we pick 10 rookies? Most of the players we have are BIG cap hits or young players picked last year.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 26, 2009 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Not sure who keeps mentioning the Tenn State OL men, but one of them signed with the Colts.

Posted by: TWISI | April 26, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse

I'm fairly certain that Danny knows something we don't. Mainly that the NFL is going to 7 v 7 year and henceforth DB, TE's and WR's are all a team needs. I'll sleep well in this conviction.

Early comes the dawn to a fool...

Posted by: Gweez | April 26, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Little brother Dockery went to the Saints.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 26, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Good point ... I just saved a bundle on car insurance.

Posted by: dcsween

That's funny... Can I get you in the 7th round??

Posted by: all_star_0013 | April 26, 2009 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Only if he's a pass catcher.

Posted by: Gweez | April 26, 2009 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Look at it this way. He's better than DE we currently have on the roster. If he only gets five sacks as a rookie, he's still better than our current DEs.

Posted by: all_star_0013 | April 26, 2009 10:28 PM

Don't get me wrong. I'm ecstatic about this choice. I just wish there would have been more of them ... and that he doesn't have the future of another former early first round DE, Erasmus James.

Posted by: dcsween | April 26, 2009 10:35 PM | Report abuse

When Manley played a big offensive tackle was 270 pounds....now they're 340 pounds. In our division we'll face a running back twice a year that is bigger than Orakpo (Jacobs). Follow along, over the last few years players have gotten bigger.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 26, 2009 9:44 PM | Report abuse


Too bad OT's are not still tipping the scales in the 270 range. With Williams topping out at 450, we almost had both spots covered with just the one dude.

450 lbs. "Down" to 410. Got to be the funniest part of this whole second day thing.

Cant believe JLC hasn't jumped all over that little tidbit with a barage of criticism about fat players, or at least a couple of thinly veiled jokes...oh, wait...nevermind.

Posted by: SoCal_SkinsFan | April 26, 2009 10:36 PM | Report abuse

It's a good thing that so many of you are such experts on college personnel. I'm wondering why any of these guys will even bother to show up. Their fate has already been decided by the unlimited number of prognosticators on this blog so why bother. As I said in an earlier post, absolutely positively nobody knows the results of this draft (including JLC) and the results will not be known until two to three years from now.

Posted by: croftonpost | April 26, 2009 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Oops, forgot one thing, ROCK THE RED!

Posted by: croftonpost | April 26, 2009 10:38 PM | Report abuse

That's funny... Can I get you in the 7th round??

Posted by: all_star_0013 | April 26, 2009 10:31 PM

I went undrafted. My agent and the scouts I talked to thought I'd go early on Day Two. Then my draft stock fell because at the Combine, during the medical exams, my piss smelled like ham. No one knows what that means, but I wasn't worth even a 7th round compensatory pick.

Posted by: dcsween | April 26, 2009 10:40 PM | Report abuse

well the draft was horrible at least the 2nd day but we got two UDFA lineman but definitely need to bring in some more into camp and hopefully find someone decent

Posted by: skinsst21 | April 26, 2009 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Chase Daniel? Isnt he already on the roster? Goes by "Colt" I think?

Posted by: divi3 | April 26, 2009 10:41 PM | Report abuse

how much of a role in our draft process does morocco brown have?

Posted by: amsaul | April 26, 2009 10:42 PM | Report abuse

I highly, highly doubt the FO is "sabotaging" JC17. What they may be doing, however, is preparing for the very real possibility of a new offense in 2010.

For the past couple weeks, as the Sanchez talks heated up, I posted about how drafting a guy like Sanchez would be a bad idea due to the uncertainty of the head coaching position going into the future. I know everyone's heard the names ad nauseum, but there will be some serious coaching candidates on the market next year. And given Zorn's less-than-stellar work with the offense, I don't see Snyder giving an unconditional leash to work his way into production.

Having said that, what might have gone into play here is the idea that Snyder doesn't want to blow draft picks on guys that may not factor into the future. Two of the names that would most certainly circle head coaching speculation should Zorn flop are Mike Shanahan and Bill Cowher. The two of them run completely separate systems that require nearly completely different players. This includes offensive line as well. Shanahan prefers lighter, quicker linemen to run a zone-blocking scheme, whereas Cowher prefers the beefier, wear-you-down linemen employed in a power-blocking scheme. Snyder wouldn't want high picks spent on one type of lineman if the other type was needed when the new coach stepped in. I know it may be a reach, but I could certainly see something like this playing in to decisions.

So what Snyder could essentially be saying to himself is "either these guys (JC and Zorn) make it work with what we have now, or we're scrapping this and rebuilding from square one in 2010." If Zorn and JC succeed, great, they build on what they have. If they don't, then he brings in a new coach, and he gives the new guy full reigns on his preference of players. Blache, on the other hand, seems like he's here for as long as he likes, and even if he decides to retire, Jerry Gray could step right in and take over much like Blache did. This defense will be here regardless of which prospective big name coach steps in. Thus the risk level with defensive picks is much lower, given the situation.

Is this idea a reach? Possibly. What can I say, I'm hungover and exhausted. Two Caps playoff games in 3 days plus 1.5 days of puzzling draft picks can do that to you.

Posted by: psps23 | April 26, 2009 10:42 PM | Report abuse

I went undrafted. My agent and the scouts I talked to thought I'd go early on Day Two. Then my draft stock fell because at the Combine, during the medical exams, my piss smelled like ham. No one knows what that means, but I wasn't worth even a 7th round compensatory pick.

Posted by: dcsween

Good sh!t...

Posted by: all_star_0013 | April 26, 2009 10:43 PM | Report abuse

That's funny... Can I get you in the 7th round??

Posted by: all_star_0013

Wrong, the questions is, has he signed as an undrafted FA with another team yet.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 26, 2009 10:44 PM | Report abuse

450 lbs. "Down" to 410. Got to be the funniest part of this whole second day thing.

Posted by: SoCal_SkinsFan | April 26, 2009 10:36 PM

One 40 lb. dump that smelled like an entire litter of piglets.

Posted by: dcsween | April 26, 2009 10:45 PM | Report abuse

The redskins don't have a bad o-line. They actually have a good line. The Oline is just getting old. As of right now we need depth.

Posted by: rcarter51 | April 26, 2009 10:47 PM | Report abuse

450 lbs. "Down" to 410. Got to be the funniest part of this whole second day thing.

Posted by: SoCal_SkinsFan | April 26, 2009 10:36 PM

One 40 lb. dump that smelled like an entire litter of piglets.

Posted by: dcsween | April 26, 2009 10:45 PM

Oh, wow!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 26, 2009 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Musta been one hell of a bowl.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | April 26, 2009 10:48 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, 450 pounds? This guy sounds seriously depressed. Will Whittington (early training camp front runner as the back up for the failing Todd Wade ... before they just went out and got Kendall) couldn't make the roster because of he had a weight problem. I'm guessing that THIS signing (hasn't played since 2005?) is a complete Hail Mary pass for all involved.

Posted by: dcsween | April 26, 2009 10:49 PM | Report abuse

GO BACK TO YOUR COWBOYS MESSAGE BOARD WITH THE KICKER THAT CAN BENCH PRESS AND RUN FAST!!

These are our guys now so let's wish them the best and stop being a miserable prick.

Posted by: AdamCr | April 26, 2009

The Priest sez: Go mow the lawn you stoopid, ignorant kid, better yet go to bed and spank the monkey like Danny will over Sanchez tonight. You are an idiot who is like those church goers you only see at Christmas and Easter. You only post your ignorant, uninformed drivel at the draft of if by some miracle the Skins make the playoffs. GO TO BED KID, leave this blog to adults. Thank you!

Posted by: priestholmes | April 26, 2009 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Who the hell is Morocco Brown? Is he the Intercontinental Champ of WCW?

Posted by: ga8085 | April 26, 2009 10:50 PM | Report abuse

'I highly, highly doubt the FO is "sabotaging" JC17. What they may be doing, however, is preparing for the very real possibility of a new offense in 2010.'

the problem is Danny doesnt know what he is doing, and Vinny is more of a yes-man than a guy with football acumen. There is no excuse for ignoring oline this blatantly, especially not when you are drafting guys with injuries and character issues instead!

here's the guy the eagles drafted with the NEXT PICK after we took the nebraska kid:

"Tupou has excellent size and brute strength. He also brings an aggressive attitude with his play. However, he is a bit raw in terms of football intelligence and is going to need high reps to fully grasp NFL blocking schemes."

EXACTLY what we needed.

Posted by: divi3 | April 26, 2009 10:51 PM | Report abuse

are special teams looks to be improved with the addition of these two lbs and the fullback/te...we stepped back in kick coverage last year from the previous year...henson looks intriguing

Posted by: altarkenton | April 26, 2009 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: priestholmes

And I didn't even say his name three times...

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 26, 2009 10:52 PM | Report abuse

Is this idea a reach? Possibly. What can I say, I'm hungover and exhausted. Two Caps playoff games in 3 days plus 1.5 days of puzzling draft picks can do that to you.

Posted by: psps23 | April 26, 2009

I don't think Snyder thinks that far in advance. In other words he doesn't really have any sort of plan. If he hired these guys, as in the past, they would start from scratch. NOT JUST THE "O" but the "D" as well. Shanahan like Norv Turner is notorious for choosing lousy defensive coordinators. The reverse is true with Cowher but he would likely prefer a 3-4 defense. That would be radically different from the system they currently run.

So, its an interesting theory ... but my feeling is its more to handicap/sabotage both Zorn and Campbell, given Snyder the rationale he needs to switch both. That resonates with moves Snyder has made in the past.

Posted by: priestholmes | April 26, 2009 10:54 PM | Report abuse

Beeps.....

Posted by: all_star_0013 | April 26, 2009 10:55 PM | Report abuse

To help Washington Post I am going to write the next JLC article on the Redskins! To respect player privacy, I will not use their actual names:

Next Article about Redskins 2009 Draft, By Jason La Canfora

Redskins drafted player X, but every other team in the league says that they should have drafted player Y. Also the Redskins drafted player Z for position A. Redskins apparently lied because we thought they are going to draft player A for position Z.

One unknown NFL source tells me that somebody whom we don't know has said that Redskins called player J last night. Player J says he got "no call from no body". Our source says that The Redskins should have instead called player I since the later I comes before letter J in English alphabet.

Redskins seem not to understand that players whose names start with a J usually stink in the NFL accoding to the above non-existent source.

Also, the Redskins have been feeding their new draft picks too much meat. According to a very top secret source, one of the Redskins scouts has been seen at Costco, buying 20 pounds of porterhouse. Why can't the Redskins be like other teams in the NFL who prefer chicken?

On another useless topic, I would like to report that my insider source at Redskins park believes that yabadabadoo is tip top in other NFL teams but her the Redskins yabadabadoo is half-tip top.

Posted by: peaceful2008 | April 26, 2009 10:55 PM | Report abuse


The problem was the lack of picks. If the Redskins don't give up the 2nd rounder for Jason Taylor last season, they get Unger or Loadboalt to play RT.

Posted by: norcrossman | April 26, 2009 10:28 PM |


If the Redskins don't give up the 2nd rounder for Jason Taylor last season, they get Sanchez via trade.

Posted by: alimohamadi | April 26, 2009 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Mike Williams ... drafted in 2002 ... FOURTH pick (after David Carr, Julius Peppers, and Joey Harrington). Wow. Picked ahead of Bryant McKinnie, Roy (horse collar) Williams, Levi Jones, Dwight Freeney, Shockey, HAYNESWORTH, and Ed Reed! Wow. [Other forgetables in that first round, Mike Rumph and, wait for it, Patrick Ramsey.]

Posted by: dcsween | April 26, 2009 10:55 PM | Report abuse

However, he is a bit raw in terms of football intelligence and is going to need high reps to fully grasp NFL blocking schemes."

EXACTLY what we needed.

Posted by: divi3 | April 26, 2009 10:51 PM

Please tell me this was sarcasam. This is not what we needed at all.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 26, 2009 10:56 PM | Report abuse

One 40 lb. dump that smelled like an entire litter of piglets.
Posted by: dcsween | April 26, 2009 10:45 PM

One wonders if he brings a plunger with him to Redskins Park to alleviate clogged porcelain commodes?

Posted by: priestholmes | April 26, 2009 10:57 PM | Report abuse

To priestholmes above:

Judging by the intelligence of your post, I assume you are related to Jason La Canfora

Posted by: peaceful2008 | April 26, 2009 10:59 PM | Report abuse

On another useless topic, I would like to report that my insider source at Redskins park believes that yabadabadoo is tip top in other NFL teams but her the Redskins yabadabadoo is half-tip top.

Posted by: peaceful2008 | April 26, 2009

And a clown named peaceful2008, who only posts here at draft time, needs to expound on some unfortunate, truly useless drivel.

Posted by: priestholmes | April 26, 2009 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Looks like Mike Williams is another reclamation project from a previous team. Like 1st round pick Robert Thomas. Orapko could end up being one of these, Haynesworth and Hall. Talked to a Falcons fan tonight he was very down on DeAngelo Hall.

Posted by: priestholmes | April 26, 2009 11:02 PM | Report abuse

"please tell me this was sarcasm"

no, it wasnt. Kid is 6'5" 315 and RAW...1-2 years under Buges and as backup, maybe he is ready to be a starter. Or not.

the POINT being, we need a guy like that far more than a rb who converted to lb last year and apparently has some legal troubles to boot

Posted by: divi3 | April 26, 2009 11:03 PM | Report abuse

The Priest sez: Go mow the lawn you stoopid, ignorant kid, better yet go to bed and spank the monkey like Danny will over Sanchez tonight. You are an idiot who is like those church goers you only see at Christmas and Easter. You only post your ignorant, uninformed drivel at the draft of if by some miracle the Skins make the playoffs. GO TO BED KID, leave this blog to adults. Thank you!

Posted by: priestholmes | April 26, 2009 10:49 PM

Yes, I am like those churchgoers, good one buddy. Those churchgoers that get on a bus for 4 hours to go to every home game. Get a life. Just because I don't spend as much time posting to this board as you do doesn't make me stupid, and I'm not a kid, btw. I know nothing about football, the Skins, or why you call yourself Priest Holmes (who, as I'm sure smart guys like you know, was an undrafted free agent, although surely all of ours just have to suck because you say so)

If Danny wanted Sanchez, for the price the Jets paid, he could have gotten him definitely. Be thankful he wasn't an idiot on that one this weekend.

Why do you insist on being upset over things when you have no clue how they'll turn out? This draft could have been much worse, but we don't know how good it was just yet.

Posted by: AdamCr | April 26, 2009 11:03 PM | Report abuse

If the Redskins don't give up the 2nd rounder for Jason Taylor last season, they get Sanchez via trade.

Posted by: alimohamadi | April 26, 2009 10:55 PM | Report abuse


Truth be told...this little gem of a silver lining was first unveiled yesterday by Lisa. And is without question the absolute best way to think about that lost pick.

May your glasses always be half-full, my friend!

Posted by: SoCal_SkinsFan | April 26, 2009 11:03 PM | Report abuse

It sure looks like the whole thing could quickly fold like a house of cards once the season starts. Campbell traded before the season? Zorn gets fired? Danny gets to start over with a new savior ... but will the savior want to come to work for him?

Posted by: priestholmes | April 26, 2009 11:04 PM | Report abuse

If Danny wanted Sanchez, for the price the Jets paid, he could have gotten him definitely. Be thankful he wasn't an idiot on that one this weekend.

The Jets avoided using any picks from next year. Danny had a deal in place with the Jaguars. The Jets just beat him by closing a deal with Cleveland and Mangini. Believe me, if he had know he would have tried to jump above them as well! He really is that big an idiot. He should not have even considered going after Sanchez in the first place! Or Cutler. He is a total idiot, who thinks he knows how to build a football team as well as an Andy Reid or Bellechick ...he is a ridiculous clown of an owner.

Posted by: priestholmes | April 26, 2009 11:08 PM | Report abuse

no, it wasnt. Kid is 6'5" 315 and RAW...1-2 years under Buges and as backup, maybe he is ready to be a starter. Or not.

the POINT being, we need a guy like that far more than a rb who converted to lb last year and apparently has some legal troubles to boot

--------------

Come on, a player like that is available as an undrafted FA. And we just signed that person. Not worried about the iggles signing a player that is not football smart.

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 26, 2009 11:09 PM | Report abuse

No silver lining. At this point I think you will see Campbell get traded before the season starts.

Posted by: priestholmes | April 26, 2009 11:09 PM | Report abuse

Question: Who is Priesthomes?

Answer: Jason La Canfora on Crack!

Posted by: peaceful2008 | April 26, 2009 11:11 PM | Report abuse

A few guys i like that are still out there: RB-Herb Donaldson, RB-PJ Hill, G-Greg Isander, T-Andy Kemp, DT-Chris Baker, LB Antonio Appleby, DB-Derek Pegues, DB-Trimane Goddard, S-Emmanuel Cook, K-P Louie Sakoda

Posted by: Steveo11 | April 26, 2009 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Curzon417 | April 26, 2009 11:09 PM

we need BOTH of those players. Oline is the huge need. These late picks are guys Vinny intends to be special teamers, exactly who we can get as undrafted FAs.

Posted by: divi3 | April 26, 2009 11:17 PM | Report abuse

that's it, obviously dannie "stalin" snyder is posting under pseudonyms here. seriously, would anyone put it past him? He tries his best to monopolize/control skins media and LOADS what he can w/ homers.

snyder's an idiot
vinnie's an idiot
anyone who hates jasno too much is an idiot by the associative property

Posted by: batigol85 | April 26, 2009 11:17 PM | Report abuse

He should not have even considered going after Sanchez in the first place! Or Cutler.

Posted by: priestholmes | April 26, 2009 11:08 PM

We can agree on that, but I think we all know that when Danny really wants something Danny gets it. This time he passed, for whatever reason. Leave it at that. If you want something to be upset about tonight, though, be my guest.

Posted by: AdamCr | April 26, 2009 11:17 PM | Report abuse

A few guys i like that are still out there: RB-Herb Donaldson, RB-PJ Hill, G-Greg Isander, T-Andy Kemp, DT-Chris Baker, LB Antonio Appleby, DB-Derek Pegues, DB-Trimane Goddard, S-Emmanuel Cook, K-P Louie Sakoda

Posted by: Steveo11 | April 26, 2009 11:13 PM |

Sakoda would be a huge UDFA signing. Significant upgrade at K or P for us for sure.

Posted by: parasonic | April 26, 2009 11:18 PM | Report abuse

I'm hoping for Donaldson or another big back. I think they need a short yardage specialist. Way too often did they fail to convert 3rd and short situations.

Posted by: Steveo11 | April 26, 2009 11:26 PM | Report abuse

I'm hoping the Dockery family has invested in a state-of-the-art security system...on their refrigerator.

Get Williams to skip a couple of midnight and 2am and 4am feedings, and he will be down to 4-bills in no time.

Posted by: SoCal_SkinsFan | April 26, 2009 11:33 PM | Report abuse

draft grade - B

several positins of need were addressed.

if they got an O lineman in the 3rd, I would have given an A.

i hope we re-sign Kendall.

Samuels-Dockery-Rabach-Thomas-Jansen
Heyer-Clark-Riley-Reinhart-Batiste

just taking a stab at the depth chart.

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 26, 2009 11:35 PM | Report abuse

Head line for tomorrow:

"Colt Chase Jason from starting QB job!"

Also, is Maryland a minor league farm system for the Redskins, or are Vinnie and company just "Lazy" scouts and hate traveling to see other talents?

Posted by: JohnWWW | April 26, 2009 11:37 PM | Report abuse

my bad edwin williams too

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 26, 2009 11:37 PM | Report abuse

Orakpo-Haynesworth-Griffen-Carter

Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 26, 2009 11:39 PM | Report abuse

I'm hoping for Donaldson or another big back. I think they need a short yardage specialist. Way too often did they fail to convert 3rd and short situations.

Posted by: Steveo11 | April 26, 2009 11:26 PM

That's what happens when the world knows your short yardage plays have to go to the left.

On another note, people keep talking about how fat Mike Williams is at 410 lbs. He was drafted #4 overall as a 375 lbs guy in 2002, so he should be find by training camp.

It's not like he's trying to get down to 320.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 26, 2009 11:57 PM | Report abuse

HA-HA..THE SKINS SUCKERED THE JETS TO TRADE UP SO THE BROWNS COULD NOT DRAFT ORAKPO!!IT WAS A SET-UP!!!IT WAS A SMOKESCREEN BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE THE SKINS WAS GOING AFTER SANCHEZ. IT WAS A OK DRAFT; I'M JUST RELIEVED THAT THE SKINS DID NOT TRADE ANY FUTURE PICKS. LETS JUST REAX NOW AND LET THE J. CAMPBELL SEGA PLAY OUT. DO NOT TRADE AND FUTURE PICKS!!!!!

Posted by: joe12341 | April 27, 2009 12:04 AM | Report abuse

On another note, people keep talking about how fat Mike Williams is at 410 lbs. He was drafted #4 overall as a 375 lbs guy in 2002, so he should be find by training camp.

It's not like he's trying to get down to 320.


Posted by: Alan4 | April 26, 2009 11:57 PM | Report abuse

Whatever. Just hope he doesn't channel the Andre Smith shirtless 40 moment during any aspect of project SlimFast Shamu to get rid of 80 lbs in 6 months.

Posted by: SoCal_SkinsFan | April 27, 2009 12:07 AM | Report abuse

...Rak...'

So what' the nickname for Brian Orakpo:

"Rak" or "the Big O"?

We know it's not "Okra" or "Pook-a"

We just hope it never becomes "Krap"

Posted by: MistaMoe

OSACKPO!

Posted by: Lisa_R | April 27, 2009 12:08 AM | Report abuse

HA-HA..THE SKINS SUCKERED THE JETS TO TRADE UP SO THE BROWNS COULD NOT DRAFT ORAKPO!!IT WAS A SET-UP!!!IT WAS A SMOKESCREEN BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE THE SKINS WAS GOING AFTER SANCHEZ. IT WAS A OK DRAFT; I'M JUST RELIEVED THAT THE SKINS DID NOT TRADE ANY FUTURE PICKS. LETS JUST REAX NOW AND LET THE J. CAMPBELL SEGA PLAY OUT. DO NOT TRADE AND FUTURE PICKS!!!!!

Posted by: joe12341 | April 27, 2009 12:04 AM | Report abuse


If only SOMEONE at Redskin Park were savvy enough to leak this formally. If, that is, there can be such a thing as a formal leak...

Posted by: SoCal_SkinsFan | April 27, 2009 12:09 AM | Report abuse

From Clayton:

2. Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones didn't own the second day of the draft as billed. Armed at the start of Sunday with a dozen draft choices in the final five rounds, the Cowboys were caught reaching too many times. By comparison, the Chicago Bears had a much better second day.

Their picks were consistent and fit needs. Defensive ends Jarron Gilbert and Henry Melton have run the 40-yard dash in 4.8 seconds and will work with defensive line coach Rod Marinelli on the Bears' pass rush. Safety D.J. Moore had received a higher grade than his third-round selection. The Bears added wide receiver Juaquin Iglesias, who was rated in the round he was selected. Most of the Cowboys' picks were rated two or three rounds lower than their selections.

Posted by: SoCal_SkinsFan | April 27, 2009 12:16 AM | Report abuse

QB??

Posted by: BMACattack | April 27, 2009 12:25 AM | Report abuse

Whatever. Just hope he doesn't channel the Andre Smith shirtless 40 moment during any aspect of project SlimFast Shamu to get rid of 80 lbs in 6 months.

Posted by: SoCal_SkinsFan | April 27, 2009 12:07 AM

I agree with the shirtless thing, but you know guys in the 340+ lb weight class can lose 10-15 lbs in a single practice or game. Granted, it's water weight. But Williams losing 80 lbs is similar to a 225 lb guy trying to get back to 185 (losing 40 lbs). Not what you would want from a speed guy, but he's never going to be a speed guy. Professional boxers go up and down 40 lbs in 6 months rather easily and maintain good fitness. I just hope he stays injury-free.

Posted by: Alan4 | April 27, 2009 12:27 AM | Report abuse

On RT Mike Williams:

“He is two guys standing side by side with their arms around each other,” Zorn said. “That’s how wide he is.”

Posted by: Alan4 | April 27, 2009 12:53 AM | Report abuse

here's the guy the eagles drafted with the NEXT PICK after we took the nebraska kid:

"Tupou has excellent size and brute strength. He also brings an aggressive attitude with his play. However, he is a bit raw in terms of football intelligence and is going to need high reps to fully grasp NFL blocking schemes."

EXACTLY what we needed.

Posted by: divi3 | April 26, 2009 10:51 PM | Report abuse


Ummm, I'm pretty sure that is code for "this guy is dumber than Vince Young" and will never figure out who he is supposed to block. He will probably forget the snap count after he gets banged in the head once or twice.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | April 27, 2009 12:56 AM | Report abuse

Orakpo-Haynesworth-Griffen-Carter
Posted by: pabrian2003 | April 26, 2009

This isn't a 3-4. Its Blache's 4-3 variation in which the LDE is a run stopper, the RDE is primarily a pass rusher ... albeit in Carter's case he is a tad small and falters when it comes to stopping the run.

LDE LDT RDT RDE
Daniels Haynesworth Griffin Carter/Montgomery
Wynn Montgomery Golston Jackson

SLB MLB WLB
Orakpo Fletcher McIntosh
Wilson Blades Thomas
Fincher Henson Glenn

LCB TS RCB
Hall Landry Rogers
Tryon Moore Barnes

FS
Doughty
Green

Posted by: priestholmes | April 27, 2009 12:57 AM | Report abuse

On RT Mike Williams, and why Vinny didn't feel the need to draft for RT:

“When we signed Mike the other day, the way he looked at the workout, that kind of helped that,” Redskins executive vice president Vinny Cerrato said. “We put him in the mix at right tackle.”

Posted by: Alan4 | April 27, 2009 12:58 AM | Report abuse

On RT Mike Williams, and why Vinny didn't feel the need to draft for RT:

“When we signed Mike the other day, the way he looked at the workout, that kind of helped that,” Redskins executive vice president Vinny Cerrato said. “We put him in the mix at right tackle.”


Posted by: Alan4 | April 27, 2009 12:58 AM | Report abuse

He is currently 410lbs, right? Cannot begin to imagine what the "workout" Vinny mentioned actually consisted of.

Posted by: SoCal_SkinsFan | April 27, 2009 1:05 AM | Report abuse

We added Doc and his boy, Heyer or Williams will take over for Jansen who will move to guard or center, plus the Maryland kid, so some concerns got address just not all of them. Plus we can still add some depth after the cuts. I love me some defense so I’m ok with Orakpo over Oher and Barnes in the 3rd but the TE and WR picks made me wonder if they were picking names out of a hat. The defense will shine for sure and the offense has no choice but to get better in the 2nd year of Zorn’s offense. This team is will have a top ranked defense and a decent/mediocre offense, I’m thinking 12-4 this year and a deep push into the playoffs.

Posted by: BallsDeep | April 27, 2009 1:08 AM | Report abuse

+++Analysis:

Is for idiots. Nobody can analyze this draft or last years draft just. Talk to me in two to three years when it can be intelligently addressed. Analyzing it right now is for losers who haven't a real clue but think they do. Time is the only true test of a draft.++

Yeah sure, blah blah blah. You learn from history if your'e smart. Check the last seven eight years of Redskin drafts, and the percentage of hits with free agents, then come tell me what idiots and losers we are for pointing out the incompetence of the front office.


Posted by: TheCork | April 27, 2009 2:10 AM | Report abuse

On RT Mike Williams, and why Vinny didn't feel the need to draft for RT:

“When we signed Mike the other day, the way he looked at the workout, that kind of helped that,” Redskins executive vice president Vinny Cerrato said. “We put him in the mix at right tackle.”


Posted by: Alan4 | April 27, 2009 12:58 AM | Report abuse

He's in the mix all right. The cake mix.

Posted by: TheCork | April 27, 2009 2:12 AM | Report abuse

I love the "Gatorade" Barnes pick in the 3rd.

And yeah, I'm only trying to pimp the "Gatorade" nickname.

Anyway...
Camp Prediction: Brennan DOES supplant Collins as the b/u QB, Daniel looks good (enough) and Collins is sent on his way to Assistant Coach (QB's) hood.

Sanchez is already on the roster... and you can bet JC just may be looking over his shoulder before too long. I want nothing more than for JC to totally Kick A$$ this year and earn a fat extension, but somehow, I'm not sure its gonna play out that way... and I also believe that JC will not get thrown under the bus as far as Zorn making a fair determination of who can best lead the team based on on field performance....but ONE Coach, and ONE Coach only called June Jones re Colt Brennan. That is a fact.

Here's hoping JC gets it done. And here's also hoping CB makes it an easy choice to release Collins and let Daniel hold the clipboard.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | April 27, 2009 2:14 AM | Report abuse

DeMarcus Ware is 6'4" 262, does he have enough bulk?

Rak has the same specs, basically. Lose that argument.

Posted by: AdamCr

DeMarcus Ware is a RIGHT side Rushbacker in a 3-4 defense. Blache's defense uses a large LDE in a 4-3.

Orakpo is smart. They can move him around, spell carter on the right side, play some rushbacker, put his hand in the dirt on the left side on passing downs, be orotected by haynesworth on some run downs.

I'm not worried about the Redskins front four. On defense, the worries are these:

Linebacker. Rocky's knees, strongside backer, Fletcher's health and age

Corner. If Rogers goes down or Hall reverts to Oakland habits, the DBackfield is a MESS. They still need eitehr the rookie or Tryon (ha!) to come thru as nickle.

Posted by: TheCork | April 27, 2009 2:25 AM | Report abuse

Oakland breeds malcontention and demotivation. There is a reason Crabtree was ecstatic to be passed over by Weird Al. It was definitely worth the 3-400k to NOT have to go to that NFL graveyard.

One thing I am very confident of is that D' Hall will NOT cause any problems or fail to give optimal effort in the meeting room, workout room, practice field or on game day.

Agree that the biggest question marks on D are in the LB corps. I think there are solid answers, but its like anything else, if we get a run of injuries there, it could get to be a real problem.

I really like the Eddie Williams pick. Seems like a great find. Sellers better not get too wound up about his deal.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | April 27, 2009 2:34 AM | Report abuse

Strahan was 6'5" 255, this is fun. He wasn't nearly durable enough either. Chump couldn't survive the NFC East. Poor guy had to face Flozell Adams and them.

Posted by: AdamCr |

Drop the insults and come back when you learn where people play, okay? You compared Ware's 4-3 OLB position to Orakpo, you cherrypicked the ONE year Strahan played at 255 (Most years he was about 270) and you don't know Flozell Adams plays the LEFt side, opposite Strahan on almost all plays.

Also, Strahan was a freak, an all-pro who was immensely strong.

Hall of famer Wes Unseld played center at 6'5 1/2, but HE was an exception, too

Posted by: TheCork | April 27, 2009 2:35 AM | Report abuse

I found a site that lists all the signings so far:

http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/04/27/undrafted-free-agents/

Posted by: musicman_dan | April 27, 2009 2:57 AM | Report abuse

So Cork, let me be clear: you are saying Orakpo is a wasted pick? and Redskins should have gotten who instead?

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | April 27, 2009 2:57 AM | Report abuse

Washington Redskins signed:

- Josh Briscoe, WR, Tennessee
- Scott Burley, OT, Maryland
- Chase Daniel, QB, Missouri
- Derek Walker, DE, Illinois
- Edwin Williams, C, Maryland
- Jaison Williams, WR, Oregon

Posted by: musicman_dan | April 27, 2009 3:00 AM | Report abuse

Scott Burley, OT, Maryland
Height: 6-5. Weight: 335.
Projected 40 Time: 5.37.
Pro Day 40 Time: 5.45.
Benchx225: 19.
Projected Round (2009): 7-FA.
1/6/09: Able to play both guard and right tackle, Scott Burley was an All-ACC honorable mention.

5/24/08: Despite being hampered by ankle injuries throughout the season, people thought enough of Scott Burley to vote him on the All-ACC second team. Burley should be able to play right tackle and guard at the next level.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | April 27, 2009 3:13 AM | Report abuse

Redskins signed as a free agent Veke Manupuna OG from USC.

Posted by: KurtShanaman | April 27, 2009 4:41 AM | Report abuse

After missing all the excitement until now, I have my draft analysis.

Orapko makes sense to me -- I would have preferred an OL in this slot, but perhaps Oher was overrated and Orapko is a good selection. No problem justifying a DE pick in round 1. DE is a position of clear need, now and in the long term. If he is better at LB, then its also good.

The rest of the draft baffles me and a TE pick was certifiably insane. It should have been OL, followed by OL, followed by OL and OL until we ended the draft.

Probably 80-90% of this draft will be based on whether Orapko turns into something special. But jeez Vinny, at least show up for the other 10-20%

Posted by: zcezcest1 | April 27, 2009 5:40 AM | Report abuse

Drifting through the nation’s sports blogs in the wake of the draft, one thing seems clear – most of us root for NFL clubs managed by hopeless idiots.

In foggy SF, the cry is, why, with nine beautiful, shining picks, didn’t we take even ONE OT or pass rusher (main needs).

In Baltimore, it’s ‘we traded up for a freaking tackle? I thought we already rebuilt the damn line. Who’s gonna catch the ball, Bisciotti?”

In Dallas, they’re wondering (that’s a mild word for it) why there weren’t WRs or Ots among those 11, count them, 11 picks.

The Jints’ fans are happy about getting a WR, of course, although not the first round pick, but that huge kid Barden. Not that he’ll be as good as Plax, mind you, but at least he can occupy Plax’s old spot at the back in the team picture. Outside of that, they wonder: where’s the defensive backfield?

By the way, the Jets fans seem equally divided about Sanchez. They’re just happy the team is thinking about signing Burress.

Philly fans, on the other hand, seem to like the uncharacteristic swing to offense, as well as the surprise trade for Ellis Hobbs. They like but are suspicious of Maclin and McCoy.

Among the league’s bottom feeders, fans are quite skeptical of Cleveland choices, and convinced that KC’s seventh rounder, K Kevin Succop, was selected purely because of his name.

One thing unites all NFL fans: their strong response to the Redskins' latest draft.

To a man, it's "who cares about the f****** Redskins?"

Posted by: Samson151 | April 27, 2009 5:56 AM | Report abuse

Things I don't get:

1) Drafting players (esp in Rnd 5) that no other team was going to draft... e.g. Cody Glen who wasn't even projected as a sure undrafted FA signing?

2) Drafting players who's only hope of making the team is as pure special teams players when we don't have any (maybe one) roster spots for them?

It just seems as though the whole 2nd day was very poorly thought out.

Posted by: mac2j | April 27, 2009 6:07 AM | Report abuse

The draft had some surprises, as all drafts do. Some comments on risers and fallers:

1. Tyson Jackson - chosen 3rd, ahead of Maybin and Orakpo. ???
2. Mark Sanchez - not where he was picked so much as how little the Jets gave up - their 2nd round pick - to jump so high to get a player that supposedly many teams were gunning for. The Skins bailed on Sanchez but they weren't the only team that did.
3. Darrius Heyward-Bey - picked at 7 before Machlin and Crabtree.
4. Josh Freeman - this year's Jason Campbell. A tall, strong arm QB project that should have gone in the 2nd round tops.
5. Jeremy Machlin - most had going in top 10, dropped to 19. If the Skins had taken OTs instead of WRs last year they would have been able to get him with their 13 pick and he appears to be a much better prospect than any of the WRs the Skins got last year.
6. Michael Oher - dropped to 23 and would have dropped even further if the Ravens had not bull rushed 2 picks to get to him.
7. Pat White - many thought the dud would go undrafted and he got picked by the Phins in the 2nd round with the pick that the Skins blew on Jason Taylor.
8. Rey Maulayoua - dropped to the 2nd round and was the last of the USC Three Amigo LBs to go. Shocking.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 27, 2009 6:16 AM | Report abuse

zce: "Probably 80-90% of this draft will be based on whether Orapko turns into something special."

If Belichick is right and even good drafts have about a 50% success rate, then we can hope for:

Orakpo to be a solid starter
Barnes to contribute as a regular
and one-half of those other guys to at least make a few tackles.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 27, 2009 6:17 AM | Report abuse

The only reason that Vinny drafted another WR and another TE late in the draft was to further personally irritate the hell out of Nate (after last year's drafting debacle in the 2nd round).

Good times.

Posted by: tafka | April 27, 2009 6:25 AM | Report abuse

Lets see I guess Orapko is unable to gain weight, I'm sure a 21 year old will not be able to put on 10 to 15 pounds of muscle.

Just because he played in college at 263 doesn't mean thats what he will play at in the pros. He was a very good pick and will be a very good player for us.

I loved reading all the whiny little b!tches last night, funny thing is they actually think they know what there talking about.

Posted by: Flounder21 | April 27, 2009 6:30 AM | Report abuse

here's the guy the eagles drafted with the NEXT PICK after we took the nebraska kid:

"Tupou has excellent size and brute strength. He also brings an aggressive attitude with his play. However, he is a bit raw in terms of football intelligence and is going to need high reps to fully grasp NFL blocking schemes."

EXACTLY what we needed.

Posted by: divi3 | April 26, 2009 10:51 PM | Report abuse
I tend to disagree with this statement. I have been a big proponent of getting OL since the off-season began. When ASmith was falling, he was my man. And I argued that we should take MOher if he was available at 13, which he was, or trading down to get an extra 2nd rd pick.

But not to get a "project" like Topou. We already have our projects. Rinehart sounds just like Topou. Same with Batiste. I wanted someone who would be a starter. like top 4 OT, or Mack, Unger or Wood.

I'm not sold on Orakpo, but he seems to be a highly-rated value pick, and if he can play SLB, I'm happy with the pick.

My only argument is that after taking Orakpo, I would have liked to trade up to early 2nd rd to get a stud C/G.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 27, 2009 6:31 AM | Report abuse

Ummm, I'm pretty sure that is code for "this guy is dumber than Vince Young" and will never figure out who he is supposed to block. He will probably forget the snap count after he gets banged in the head once or twice.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | April 27, 2009 12:56 AM

This is why Rhinehart never was activated for a game in 2008. Too often in practice he would forget the snap count or knock players down when he moved the wrong way.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 27, 2009 6:36 AM | Report abuse

I just read about this Chase Daniel kid and I'm not sold. He's on 6' even and though he's not Doug Flutie size, that's really small in the NFL. As you would imagine, at his size arm strength is also a worry. I would rather they pick up div III QB

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 27, 2009 6:38 AM | Report abuse

I just read about this Chase Daniel kid and I'm not sold. He's on 6' even and though he's not Doug Flutie size, that's really small in the NFL. As you would imagine, at his size arm strength is also a worry. I would rather they pick up div III QB Jason Boltus who is raw but has protoypical size and just needs time in the system.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 27, 2009 6:40 AM | Report abuse

"Rak" or "the Big O"?

We know it's not "Okra" or "Pook-a"

We just hope it never becomes "Krap"

Posted by: MistaMoe

OSACKPO!


Posted by: Lisa_R | April 27, 2009 12:08 AM | Report abuse
How about "O-sack-O"

Posted by: frediefritz | April 27, 2009 6:55 AM | Report abuse

I agree with the shirtless thing, but you know guys in the 340+ lb weight class can lose 10-15 lbs in a single practice or game. Granted, it's water weight. But Williams losing 80 lbs is similar to a 225 lb guy trying to get back to 185 (losing 40 lbs). Not what you would want from a speed guy, but he's never going to be a speed guy. Professional boxers go up and down 40 lbs in 6 months rather easily and maintain good fitness. I just hope he stays injury-free.


Posted by: Alan4 | April 27, 2009 12:27 AM | Report abuse

Right on, Alan4. Here's to injury-free!

Posted by: frediefritz | April 27, 2009 6:58 AM | Report abuse

Not buying the thought that Orakpo won't be stout enough to defend the run. The dude can bench 515 pounds and I'm betting he can squat a boatload too. I'm reading too many ridiculous opinions from guys who probably never put on a jockstrap in their entire lives. Orakpo will be a stud.

Posted by: SkinsFanNYC | April 27, 2009 7:02 AM | Report abuse

The problem was the lack of picks. If the Redskins don't give up the 2nd rounder for Jason Taylor last season, they get Unger or Loadboalt to play RT.

Posted by: norcrossman | April 26, 2009 10:28 PM |


If the Redskins don't give up the 2nd rounder for Jason Taylor last season, they get Sanchez via trade.

Posted by: alimohamadi | April 26, 2009 10:55 PM | Report abuse
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Negative, Ghostrider. The Jets sent picks and 3 players to their former coach. We would not have been able to trump that deal.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | April 27, 2009 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Say goodbye to your beloved Colt Brennen Too bad there is no AFL this season. I love the signings of Williams and Burley from Maryland. Takes some of the venom out of my rant about drafting ANOTHER wide receiver AND tight end......ERRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: virtueandvice | April 27, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

I've watched Chase Daniel since he was a freshman in high school. He is a tough, smart and skilled QB. He will be a starting QB in the NFL. He knows how to win. Enjoy the show.

Posted by: Southlake | April 27, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Ok, it's two. The headline threw me... lol.

....duuurrrrr.....maps...such as...
...gay marriage ban... durrrr.....

Posted by: DikShuttle | April 28, 2009 8:07 AM | Report abuse

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