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Skins Sign Roydell Williams, Shelton

The Redskins have signed wide receivers Roydell Williams and Trent Shelton and released offensive lineman Isaiah Ross, wide receiver John Halman, linebacker Ronnie Palmer, tight end Devin Frischknecht and defensive tackle Brigham Harwell..

Williams, a fourth-round pick by Tennessee in 2005, broke his ankle before a Titans' playoff game in January 2008 and was released by the team before last season. He has caught 84 passes for 1,139 yards and six touchdowns over his career.

Shelton had a strong 2007 preseason with Indianapolis after going un-drafted, shining as a gunner on special teams as well as a possession receiver, but did not crack the talented unit and spent that season on the Colts' practice squad. He spent 2008 on Seattle's practice squad, getting well ver4sed in the principles and verbiage of the West Coast system Redskins Coach Jim Zorn brought with him from Seattle that same year.

By Zach Berman and Jason La Canfora  |  May 4, 2009; 3:28 PM ET
 
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roydell williams is better than boldin. i'm no kidding.

Posted by: mopp04 | May 4, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

"Shelton had a strong 2007 preseason with Indianapolis after going un-drafted, shining as a gunner on special teams as well as a possession receiver, but did not crack the talented unit and spent that season on the Colts' practice squad. "

sounds like another preseason fan/certain reporter favorite!

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 4, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

all these WR signings...does this mean that bug eyed is admitting kelly/thomas/the other from last year are not going to pan out?

greg/lisa/"real" skins fan: no, this means that they're hedging their bets.

me: okay.

Posted by: dealer1 | May 4, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

I would be okay with admitting Kelly is a wash Thomas has some hope though.

Posted by: alex35332 | May 4, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

dealer, it also means most of the WRs are injured and/or tweaked, and the 4 QBs need someone to throw to in practice.

Posted by: Alan4 | May 4, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

sorry but The Truth has already moved to the next topic, so The Truth didn't see this. If The Truth had seen this, he would have no doubt responded with something incredibly witty.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 4, 2009 3:36 PM

OKay, that's more like it. Truth's back in third person. Cork's back in full-nasty. All's right with the world! Or at least all's right with the little bitty part of the world that we know as Redskins Insider.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 4, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

all these WR signings...does this mean that bug eyed is admitting kelly/thomas/the other from last year are not going to pan out?

greg/lisa/"real" skins fan: no, this means that they're hedging their bets.

Posted by: dealer1 | May 4, 2009 3:42 PM

When the guys are cut, that's when it means they didn't pan out. Until then, there's still hope.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 4, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Skins Sign Roydell Williams, Shelton

" ... Shelton had a strong 2007 preseason ..., but did not crack the talented unit ...."

By Zach Berman and Jason La Canfora

Heh, heh, heh ... they said "but" and "crack"

Posted by: dcsween | May 4, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

all these WR signings...does this mean that bug eyed is admitting kelly/thomas/the other from last year are not going to pan out?
========================================

No!

It's just means that they are determined to upgrade one of the biggest weaknesses on the team.

It is also a clear sign that those rookies from last year, better take this seriously or they will find themselves on the practice squad.

Drafting potential doesn't mean jack.... you need to perform.

They are determined not to repeat last years shortcomings.

Posted by: skinsbacker | May 4, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Sadly Devin Thomas didn't blog about this - I hope his hammy isn't keeping him from his computer.

Posted by: az_david | May 4, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Mike Williams is a project. There's lots of things that can derail him and his chances are (pardon the pun) slim...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 4, 2009 3:00 PM

That statement could be made about everyone competing at RT, with the possible exception of Jansen who will remain here due to salary cap implications.

Posted by: Alan4 | May 4, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

What happened to the Dallas bubble dome is really horrible, esp. for that 33-year old scout whose spine was severed leaving him paralyzed.

On the other hand, Jerrah Jones, welcome to the Cowboys' version of Six Flags Amusement park tort liability.

Posted by: dcsween | May 4, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Heh, heh, heh ... they said "but" and "crack"

Posted by: dcsween | May 4, 2009 3:51 PM

No, they WROTE "but" and "crack." You SAID "butt" and "crack."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 4, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Mike Williams, just a guy you hope can make a comeback...great story, but there is no such thing as sympathy in the NFL.

But seriously folks, how bad can he be? If he just stands there and you have to go around him, you have to go through two zip codes.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | May 4, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

But seriously folks, how bad can he be? If he just stands there and you have to go around him, you have to go through two zip codes.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | May 4, 2009 4:02 PM

RalJon only had one zip code, 20785. Did they split it, like Winston Salem, and get two zip codes?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 4, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

From Redskins.com:

Williams, 6-0 and 187 pounds, played with the Tennessee Titans from 2005-07. He was released by the club after preseason last year.

Williams suffered a broken ankle during practice in January 2008 as the Titans prepared for a playoff game.


Roydell WilliamsWilliams was reportedly slow to recover from the injury and he was released by the club after preseason last year.

For his career, Williams has 84 catches for 1,139 yards and six touchdowns.

He had his best season in 2007, when he started 14 games and tied for the team lead with 55 catches for 719 yards and a team-high four touchdowns.

Williams was a fourth-round draft pick by the Titans in the 2005 NFL Draft.

At Tulane, Williams was a two-time All-Conference USA selection and set a league record with 35 receiving touchdowns.

Posted by: skinfanman | May 4, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Mike Williams is a project. There's lots of things that can derail him and his chances are (pardon the pun) slim...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 4, 2009 3:00 PM

That statement could be made about everyone competing at RT

TRUE DAT!! And even average ones are expensive thus, ( I spose ), the recent rash of WR signings versus OL!


With the possible exception of Jansen who will remain here due to salary cap implications.

Given his lack of mobility, and observing his situation in mini-camp and the OTA's; He has been moved. They are trying him at guard/center. If he could move to center/guard that would be a huge plus, especially center. I rather doubt you'll see him at tackle ever again unless in an emergency such as the one that saw Terrel Suggs destroy an undrafted FA center named Geisinger. This is good for Jansen as well as the team. Potentially he could make all-pro at center I reckon ... if he is adaptable enough?


Posted by: Alan4 | May 4, 2009

Posted by: periculum | May 4, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Gerald Riggs Jr is working out with the Lions

Posted by: BenchCampbell | May 4, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Malcolm Kelly=Darnarian McCants=Taylor Jacobs=Micheal Westbrook=Desmond Howard


Is it possible that a team can be 'snake-bit' when it comes to acquiring players for a specific position?

The redskins and wide receivers just don't seem to fit.


Posted by: MistaMoe | May 4, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

But seriously folks, how bad can he be? If he just stands there and you have to go around him, you have to go through two zip codes.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | May 4, 2009

I expect same as before, excellent run blocker who needs work on pass blocking technique. This is true of Derrick Dockery who apparently lost much after leaving Buges. Perhaps Buges can re-train them both to have better pass blocking footwork and technique.

Its surely a reach. But he is all they've got right now after Heyer. And Samuels is coming off a major injury ... as is Thomas. There are some serious issues there.

Posted by: periculum | May 4, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Is it possible that a team can be 'snake-bit' when it comes to acquiring players for a specific position?

The redskins and wide receivers just don't seem to fit.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 4, 2009 4:10 PM

Snake-bit, no. Inept, yes.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 4, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Malcolm Kelly=Darnarian McCants=Taylor Jacobs=Micheal Westbrook=Desmond Howard


Is it possible that a team can be 'snake-bit' when it comes to acquiring players for a specific position?

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 4, 2009

Your list is longer than that Moe? What's wrong no grappa in your coffee yet?

Devin Thomas=Malcolm Kelly=Darnarian McCants=Taylor Jacobs=Rod Gardner=Michael Westbrook=Walter Murray=Desmond Howard

Couldn't we even add a few more and make a list of FA flops at the position as well?

Posted by: periculum | May 4, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Roydell is intriguing

Posted by: BenchCampbell | May 4, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

One thing seems certain at this point: MWash and Khary Campbell will not be coming back. Sellers may be next?

Posted by: periculum | May 4, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

No, they WROTE "but" and "crack." You SAID "butt" and "crack."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 4, 2009 3:58 PM

Turns out, I was writing too.

I remember Roydell Williams bouncing the around the available WRs in fantasy football in recent times ... I only remember that b/c I like the name Roydell.

Posted by: dcsween | May 4, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Roydell is intriguing

Posted by: BenchCampbell | May 4, 2009

So, is Marko and he is "lucky # 7".

Posted by: periculum | May 4, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Thomas with a tweaked hammy.

Kelly with a bum knee recovering from surgery.

Heyer/Jansen competing for the RT spot.

...someone wake me up when 2008 is over.


Now the deal with these WRs is what exactly? Is the fact that Shleton has a 3 year deal meaningful or can we show him the door just as easily as anyone else? I guess none of these guys have signing bonuses so cutting them has no cap impact...

Posted by: p1funk | May 4, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

While the Skins are busy signing random wide receivers and guys washed out of the league named Mike Williams, why not sign WR Mike Williams.

Remember when there was a serious debate about the Skins drafting that guy in the top 10.

Posted by: peteywheatstraw | May 4, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

'..thoughts on the upcoming A-Rod book that Selena Roberts is putting out..'

I'm a Yankees fan who doesn't like A-Rod.

I thought Alfredo Soriano was worth keeping, despite the fact they had Cano chilling in minors.

The book will tell us that A Rod is a horny, annoying, women chasing, wealthy, punk-a$$ed man who tends to piss off most of the people he's around--which puts him in a catagory with about 75% of all professional athletes.

He's the sun-king in a pin-striped universe.

The Yankees will ignore the book, bat him behind Texiera, and after a period of adjustment, take the AL EAST away from the children in Boston, Toronto, Balmar, and Tampon Bay.

Yes: I'm arrogant.

But I've got a book coming out about that, too.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 4, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Marcus Washington and Khary Campbell might not be around, but Cody Glenn is ... if that IS his real name.

Posted by: dcsween | May 4, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

I remember Roydell Williams bouncing the around the available WRs in fantasy football in recent times ... I only remember that b/c I like the name Roydell.

Posted by: dcsween | May 4, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse


2 years ago I was able to pick up Roydell Williams off the waiver wire and trade him for Wes Welker in my fantasy league...suffice to say the trade worked out splendidly for me but not so much for him.

Posted by: p1funk | May 4, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

" ... Shelton had a strong 2007 preseason ..., but did not crack the talented unit ...."

By Zach Berman and Jason La Canfora

Heh, heh, heh ... they said "but" and "crack"

Posted by: dcsween | May 4, 2009 3:51 PM

...and "unit".

Posted by: 4-12 | May 4, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

I thought Alfredo Soriano was worth keeping...

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 4, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse


I don't remember Alfredo...but I do remember Alfonso Soriano was a beast that one year for the Nats...

Posted by: p1funk | May 4, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

From the impression I got on Mike & Mike this morning, the book uses the fact that A-Rod grew taller and gained some weight over the summer one year in high-school as proof that he was on roids.

Mike & Mike wondered aloud if this lady was confusing steriods with puberty.

She also talks about how he didn't tip very well at Hooters one night, seriously.


We don't need more reasons to dislike A-Rod, and even if we did, none of these reasons would be it.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 4, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

peri


Must admit I don't remember 'Walter Murray'.

And I can't believe I forgot Rod Gardner. What did the players call him "50-50"?

I think, though, Thomas might have some kind of a pro career.

I think Henry Ellard was one of the best FA acquisitions at the position, though.

And of course, I was all for adding Torry Holt this winter.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 4, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

" ... Shelton had a strong 2007 preseason ..., but did not crack the talented unit ...."

By Zach Berman and Jason La Canfora

Heh, heh, heh ... they said "but" and "crack"

Posted by: dcsween | May 4, 2009 3:51 PM

...and "unit".

Posted by: 4-12 | May 4, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse


I'm inspired to look up old Beavis and Butthead clips on youtube...

Posted by: p1funk | May 4, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Malcolm Kelly=Darnarian McCants=Taylor Jacobs=Micheal Westbrook=Desmond Howard...


Posted by: MistaMoe | May 4, 2009 4:10 PM


Moe, how could you forget Rod Gardner (class of '01), #15 overall? Granted, he did have 1 decent season.

Still waiting at #17 in that same draft was OL (Guard) Steve Hutchinson, currently working on a six-time All Pro/Pro Bowl career.

But it's more fun to go after QBs and WRs, dontcha think?

Posted by: Alan4 | May 4, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

p1funk


'Alfredo'?

Oooops.....

I made a mistake.

I must remember to circle the date on the calender.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 4, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

No, they WROTE "but" and "crack." You SAID "butt" and "crack."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 4, 2009 3:58 PM

Turns out, I was writing too.

Posted by: dcsween | May 4, 2009 4:18 PM

But you were moving your lips as you wrote, like I move mine when I read.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 4, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse


Roydell is intriguing

Posted by: BenchCampbell | May 4, 2009

So, is Marko and he is "lucky # 7".

Posted by: periculum | May 4, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse


Yes...the most intriguing thing is that his name is eerily similar to a certain other 7th round WR named "Marques"...wouldn't it be great if...

Posted by: p1funk | May 4, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

'Alfredo'?

Oooops.....

I made a mistake.

I must remember to circle the date on the calender.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 4, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse


I'm half Italian, and your mistake suddenly made me hungry...

Posted by: p1funk | May 4, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Darnerian McCants was actually pretty good; unfortuantely it was the Spurrier-ers and McCants couldn't steal PT away from Jacquez Green...

Posted by: p1funk | May 4, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Is it a prerequisite to be coming off an injury for the Skins to sign you this off season? It seems like most of the guy's we signed or drafted either missed last seaon or part of it.

Are we planning on moving to a "special" football league next year? What the hell is going on?

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | May 4, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Just reading a Lions blog to check up on what they think of my boy Stafford and I saw a guy doing game by game predictions and I lol'd :

"Week #2 Minnesota W - Lions will claim their first win in over a year
Week #3 Washington W - Detroit will be so pumped they'll roll (big win)"

Ugh.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 4, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Jacquez Green. Only thing I remember about that dude was the punt return saving us from being shut out on MNF in the Spurrier fish lip game. Ugh. Bad times.

"The sun always shines on the gators"
-Spoken in southern hick drawl. No offense to those down south.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | May 4, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | May 4, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

This is pitiful. Skins seem to think undrafted FA's and out of work ex players can make up for f'n up the draft every year.

Posted by: the_shocker1 | May 4, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Screw the ******* Gators

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 4, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse


Question:

Excuse my ignorance but if the Redskins sign these guys and they don't work out before the season begins, can they cut them without penalties?

Posted by: peaceful2008 | May 4, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Skins seem to think undrafted FA's and out of work ex players can make up for f'n up the draft every year.

Posted by: the_shocker1 | May 4, 2009 4:45 PM

Every team brings in undrafted FAs and out of work ex players. Not many of these guys stick, but when one does it's a diamond in the rough.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 4, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

shocker, the Skins screw up the most when drafting WRs (many examples above) and QBs (Heath Schuler, Pat Ramsey). That's a lot of 1st round picks lost for nothing.

I'd say the draft record on defense is actually pretty good, so I'm not complaining about the way the team is being put together this year.

Maybe last year's offensive (pun intended) draft picks, including Rinehart, will step up and help the team score points this year.

Posted by: Alan4 | May 4, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

BTW -

Folks were talking about how great Mike Williams carries his 404 in the blog-pic.

Seriously, can you say "suckin-in-the-gut"? Either that or his bones are made of adamantium. They've got him in one of the spandex shirts and I would bet the house he's holding his breath...

Posted by: p1funk | May 4, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

dcsween,

settle down Beaves

Posted by: peaceful2008 | May 4, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Question:

Excuse my ignorance but if the Redskins sign these guys and they don't work out before the season begins, can they cut them without penalties?

Posted by: peaceful2008 | May 4, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse


I assume so as long as they don't have signing bonuses...

Posted by: p1funk | May 4, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Folks were talking about how great Mike Williams carries his 404 in the blog-pic.

Seriously, can you say "suckin-in-the-gut"? Either that or his bones are made of adamantium. They've got him in one of the spandex shirts and I would bet the house he's holding his breath...

Posted by: p1funk | May 4, 2009 4:53 PM

If that's all there is to it, why didn't Andre "Moobs" Smith do that since he's "only" packing 330 lbs?

Posted by: Alan4 | May 4, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Roydell Williams = [Charlie Batch]/3.14

Mike Williams = Alvin Walton + Brian Mitchell.

Doug Williams = Samantha Fox & Kelly Tripuka.

Posted by: MonkMossMann | May 4, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

The Steelers release, LB Larry Foote.

The skins should take a look at this guy.

Posted by: dashriprock | May 4, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

TE i understand that other teams do as well. the other teams do it to find that diamond in the rough like you said. the skins seem to do it as a plan of attack looking for these people to play meaningful minutes at important positions. big difference.

Posted by: the_shocker1 | May 4, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

the skins seem to do it as a plan of attack looking for these people to play meaningful minutes at important positions. big difference.

Posted by: the_shocker1 | May 4, 2009 5:08 PM

The 'Skins starting lineup is set without any of these guys. The 'Skins are looking for backups. If any of these guys plays "meaningful minutes at important positions" then that's a diamond in the rough. The 'Skins have had some luck with this. Antonio Pierce. Stephon Heyer.

I seriously doubt that there's any difference between the 'Skins and other teams in this regard.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 4, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

I am gonna go on a limb, in "peaceful" fashion and predict Mike Williams will be a significant contributor this year. I have nothing to base this hunch on, I admit.

I think he will contribute to the overall gravitas of our offensive line. As long as he can move sideways or forward, he will serve as a stable column for other offensive linemen to to build a hut or two at the line of scrimmage....

Posted by: peaceful2008 | May 4, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

At this point, I would be happy if we signed a big name Wide Receiver. Drafting WRs does not work for us. I wonder what the asking price for Bolding is now?

Posted by: narielnasl | May 4, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse

J-La,

As of last night the Skins said they would be hiring this OL Bridges if he passed a physical. What happened? Also Hackett and Kelly Washington seemed to be decent options, what happened there? Bridges looked like a good option for OL depth.

Skins Website Blurb:

Bridges is also a 6-year veteran who has played for the Panthers the last three years and started 28-of-41 games at guard in that span.

He is listed at 6-4 and 326 pounds.

In his career, Bridges has started 39-of-62 games. He had a two-year stint with the Cardinals from 2004-05 after one year with the Philadelphia Eagles in 2003.

He was drafted by the Eagles in the sixth round of the 2003 NFL Draft

Posted by: DownTownClown | May 4, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Is it a prerequisite to be coming off an injury for the Skins to sign you this off season? It seems like most of the guy's we signed or drafted either missed last seaon or part of it. ...

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | May 4, 2009 4:31 PM

... when all the cash is tied up on tied up in the starters, including those who can't anymore (Jansen), picking up guys returning from injuries are how you
add "veteran depth." For the Skins, its called the "business model". [For health insurers, its called "excluded from coverage based on pre-existing condition".]

Posted by: dcsween | May 4, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

TE..the skins lineup is set? you feel good with our RT and WR positions? you don't think they are scrambling?

Posted by: the_shocker1 | May 4, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

"Just reading a Lions blog to check up on what they think of my boy Stafford and I saw a guy doing game by game predictions and I lol'd"
Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 4, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

You just really lack for things to do during the day, don't you?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston | May 4, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

OKay, that's more like it. Truth's back in third person. Cork's back in full-nasty. All's right with the world! Or at least all's right with the little bitty part of the world that we know as Redskins Insider.

Posted by: talent_evaluator

You make a good point, and and I couldn't do it without Vinny's blithering team building, but I've made a continuing effort to be nice to Beans and Flounder and most others.

But as a semi-retired* journo my own self, I get tired of the sniping. Yeah, the indiustry has brought a lot of it on istelf, and valid criticism is fine--I wrote whole book of it--but...Oy.

semi-retired* = still writes a lot, but gets paid not so much.

Posted by: TheCork | May 4, 2009 5:40 PM | Report abuse

This is good for Jansen as well as the team. Potentially he could make all-pro at center I reckon ... if he is adaptable enough?


Posted by: Alan4 | May 4, 2009

He's smart enough to call defenses, he's large but immobil, he's a vet, and his a$$ sticks way up in the air, making it easy for campbell. What's not to like?

Posted by: TheCork | May 4, 2009 5:43 PM | Report abuse

TE..the skins lineup is set? you feel good with our RT and WR positions? you don't think they are scrambling?

Posted by: the_shocker1 | May 4, 2009 5:30 PM

No and no. I'd rather have better receivers and better options at RT. But what team in the league doesn't have a few positions that they'd like to upgrade.

I don't think they're "scrambling." I think, as I said before, that they're looking for backups and if they can find someone to step up, so much the better. But this is the one time of the year when you can take a look at a lot of people at very little cost. Why shouldn't they do it? Everyone else is doing the same thing.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 4, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

i would like to personally thank eminem for making fun of tony homo in his latest music video. youve done the world a great service sir

Posted by: amsaul | May 4, 2009 5:53 PM | Report abuse

But as a semi-retired* journo my own self, I get tired of the sniping.

Posted by: TheCork | May 4, 2009 5:40 PM

You take it more personally than the people it's directed at do.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 4, 2009 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Maybe one of these guys sticks, and maybe not. I am just glad they didn't trade any draft picks to get them. Roydell Williams might be able to contribute. ARE better be looking over his shoulder. There are a lot of guys back there.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 4, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

The Steelers release, LB Larry Foote.
The skins should take a look at this guy.
Posted by: dashriprock | May 4, 2009

My understanding from the Redskins blog is that Chris Wilson looked better than Fincher. Plus Orapko? Hansen? Blades? Thomas? Where does he fit?
Linebacker overload ...


When an OL gets cut ... someone like last year's starting left tackle for the Bengals. Let us know.

Posted by: periculum | May 4, 2009 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Maybe one of these guys sticks, and maybe not. I am just glad they didn't trade any draft picks to get them. Roydell Williams might be able to contribute. ARE better be looking over his shoulder. There are a lot of guys back there.

Posted by: RedSkinHead |

ARE isn't going anywhere. He's MUCH better than the guys who are behind him. Of the current WRs in the NFC East, ARE had more yards last year than all but 3 guys.

Another guy that is roughly the same quality as ARE would solve a major problem for this team.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 4, 2009 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Dave Elfin, On predictions minicamp:

Q: After forecasting 8-8 season last month, what do you think now?

A: Minicamp is too soon to get a handle on a team, especially because of the lack of contact. And the offense was without two of its key pieces, Samuels and receiver Santana Moss. The already formidable defense should be better with Haynesworth, Orakpo, Hall for an entire season and a healthy Phillip Daniels. Replacing Pete Kendall with Derrick Dockery on an aging line is basically a wash. Four months from the opener, it sure looks like the 2009 Redskins will have to win with defense.

Posted by: periculum | May 4, 2009 6:27 PM | Report abuse

For J LA, its the OL, for Elfin its receivers ... hmmm I guess that's why they signed those two? Mayhap Vinny listens to Elfin?

Q: What was the biggest negative this weekend?

A: Sadly but not surprisingly it was that both of last year's second-round receivers, Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly, were unable to practice the past two days. Both should be ready for June's organized team activities, but it seemed like last year all over again with these guys.

Posted by: periculum | May 4, 2009 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Cork,

It's aprreciated, we have differing opinions is all.

Posted by: Flounder21 | May 4, 2009 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Kiper's grades on the BEAST draft:

New York Giants: GRADE: B
The selection of first-round wide receiver Hakeem Nicks could be a good one, but he really needs to keep his weight up to make an impact in the NFL. I like the selection of offensive tackle William Beatty in the second round and wide receiver Ramses Barden in the third round. They made some good selections late in the draft with running back Andre Brown in the fourth and the two defensive backs in the sixth and seventh rounds: DeAndre Wright and Stoney Woodson.

Philadelphia Eagles: GRADE: B-
Wide receiver Jeremy Maclin was a good pick, but he needs to work on his route running to be a consistent threat in the NFL. Running back LeSean McCoy was a good selection in the second round and so was tight end Cornelius Ingram in the fifth round. The fifth round was a good round for the Eagles, who also picked up cornerback Victor Harris and offensive tackle Fenuki Tupou.

Washington Redskins: GRADE: C+
Brian Orakpo fell into their laps and he gives them the pass-rushing presence they haven't had since Dexter Manley. Kevin Barnes is a decent third-round pick. Robert Henson is a decent late-round pick at linebacker.

Dallas Cowboys: GRADE: D
The Big D gets a D this year. They didn't get a lot of top-end talent due in part to their not having a pick until the third round, but they then went out and reached on Jason Williams and Robert Brewster. Victor Butler is a decent pick, as is Brandon Williams, but I'm not enamored with any of their later picks. They got players that could help them in terms of depth, but no one who is going to really strengthen this football team.

Posted by: periculum | May 4, 2009 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder, UBER Darth, Strikes Back!

We need a team desperate for a title, somebody in love with headlines and someone who will raid the bank like Dillinger.

Our futuristic dystopia needs Dan Snyder. The Redskins are always kicking the cap can down the road, living right on the edge of it, so they've got nothing to gain from renewing CBA cap rules. They just went out and signed some lux-box talent in Albert Haynesworth and DeAngelo Hall, shoving their salaries into the uncapped year already. All Washington must do to sate its free-agent appetite is miss the playoffs. Not a problem. The Skins just jettisoned a bunch of old guys and must fill too many holes to contend this year.

Snyder is the one who could make a one-year run at the rich crop of defensive linemen and linebackers (Karlos Dansby, Terrell Suggs, Richard Seymour, Vince Wilfork, Casey Hampton, Aaron Kampman, Julius Peppers), grab a DB or two (Leigh Bodden, Ryan Clark, Terrence McGee), a fiery leader (Hines Ward), a clubhouse cancer (Terrell Owens) and, if by some fluke they're not franchised, a franchise QB in Eli Manning or Philip Rivers. Or both! Or he could just sign 2010 UFA-to-be Jason Campbell. Oh, right. He already has him and doesn't want him. Just offer up a bunch of one-year deals that are too lucrative to turn down and Snyder could have it all (for a year).

In any case, a Snyder 2010 campaign couldn't be worse than what the team has managed so far in his tenure. Planning more than six months ahead would also show more foresight than he ever has. And it makes sense given the parlous state of the future. As we said, an uncapped season in 2010 portends a lockout in 2011. And as for the following season ...

Hate to break it to the league, but the NFL might have some real problems in the 2012 playoffs, given that the Mayans say the world will end on Dec. 21 of that year.

Go for it, Dan! Win now!

Scratch that.

Wait 'til next year!

Posted by: periculum | May 4, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

As of now, we have a bunch of LBs and except for Fletcher, the rest are mostly 'just a guy' sorts. Orakpo is all potential, hardly a lock.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 4, 2009 6:55 PM | Report abuse

"Roydell is intriguing"

Posted by: BenchCampbell | May 4, 2009

"So, is Marko and he is "lucky # 7"."

Roydell's per catch ave. was decent in 2007 - 16 yds+.
Marko had an excellent 40 yd. speed - 4.43.

Posted by: fwroy | May 4, 2009 7:13 PM | Report abuse

"If that's all there is to it, why didn't Andre "Moobs" Smith do that since he's "only" packing 330 lbs?Posted by: Alan4"

He can't, he's not strong enough.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 4, 2009 7:15 PM | Report abuse

OK so I am so frustrated with this front office. Its clear that there is something very wrong with Malcolm Kelley, or else why would they flirt with so many second and third rate WRs before training camp. I keep hearing that MK12 should be ready for training camp, but it feels like that is just a optomistic spin job for the media.

Micro-facture surgery is no joke, so maybe the coaches and execs know that MK won't really be ready until maybe mid-season.

It just seems funny how they are desperate to get receivers all of a sudden. And now it looks like D. Thomas has a recurring hamstring problem, which will only limit his effectiveness this year.

Couple this with the cavalier approach to reinforcing the offensive line this offseason ( Dockery is the only upgrade and Williams is a project backup, can't be considered an upgrade at this point) it looks like the Redskins PR group are trying to cushion us for another 8-8 or 7-9 record. Defense is not going to score enough points for us to win if we don't have blockers and playmakers to boost our offensive output.

It smells alot like last year coming up. I hope I'm wrong.

Posted by: Predator48 | May 4, 2009 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Snyder is the one who could make a one-year run at the rich crop of defensive linemen and linebackers (Karlos Dansby, Terrell Suggs, Richard Seymour, Vince Wilfork, Casey Hampton, Aaron Kampman, Julius Peppers), grab a DB or two (Leigh Bodden, Ryan Clark, Terrence McGee..

Posted by: periculum

Hey!! Let's not leave Leigh Torrence off that list.

Posted by: RedskinWillie | May 4, 2009 7:52 PM | Report abuse

I wonder what the asking price for Bolding is now?

Posted by: narielnasl | May 4, 2009 5:19 PM

It ain't just the asking price. Boldin wants goldin his pockets also. His salary demands are a real cap buster.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | May 4, 2009 8:14 PM | Report abuse

"Skins Website Blurb:
Bridges is also a 6-year veteran who has played for the Panthers the last three years and started 28-of-41 games at guard n that span.He is listed at 6-4 and 326 pounds.In his career, Bridges has started 39-of-62 games. He had a two-year stint with the Cardinals from 2004-05 after one year with the Philadelphia Eagles in 2003.
He was drafted by the Eagles in the sixth round of the 2003 NFL Draft. Posted by: DownTownClown"

I understood there had been some fairly significant arrests?

Posted by: Samson151 | May 4, 2009 8:14 PM | Report abuse

ARE isn't going anywhere. He's MUCH better than the guys who are behind him. Of the current WRs in the NFC East, ARE had more yards last year than all but 3 guys.

Another guy that is roughly the same quality as ARE would solve a major problem for this team.

Posted by: zcezcest1

I wasn't aware of that stat on ARE but I guess it makes sense because there is no NFC East team with a good 1-2 tandem, say like Arizona has. Keep in mind that Moss was ailing at points last season and ARE was the number one receiver by default. ARE drops way too many balls, and he is not an effective punt returner anymore. I think he would have greater value as a number three receiver and sometimes wildcat QB. What the Redskins need is size at receiver - someone who can muscle the ball and get over defenders.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 4, 2009 8:19 PM | Report abuse

I thought Alfredo Soriano was worth keeping...

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 4, 2009 4:20 PM

Alfredo Snoriano - Fred "Sleepy" Davis' illegitimate dad.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | May 4, 2009 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RedSkinHead | May 4, 2009 8:19 PM

Mr. Head. Dude. How's the ol' acorn REDneckSKINhead doing? Haven't seen a post from him of late.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | May 4, 2009 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Holy moly mackerel, Mike Williams is ENORMOUS.

Posted by: Rypien11 | May 4, 2009 8:34 PM | Report abuse

roydell williams is better than boldin. i'm no kidding.

Posted by: mopp04 | May 4, 2009 3:36 PM

Heh, heh. Boldin takes a hellacious hit - fractured facial bones, concussion, etc., - and a few weeks later he's back on the field. Meanwhile our China Doll WRs - Thomas, hammie; Moss, shin splits; Kelly, micro burst; Thrash, neck - are all huddled in the MASH unit, moaning and groaning.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | May 4, 2009 8:49 PM | Report abuse

I like these WR signings.

When we made the playoffs in '07 we had guys like Keenan McCardel and Reche Caldwell who would occasionaly be good for a big 3rd down catch. Veteran, knowledgable WR's could really help this unit even if the signings seem irrelevant. I would love to go into camp with Moss, Thomas, Are, Kelly, K Washington, Hackett, Mitchell, Williams, Shelton, and Thrash all vying for 6 spots.

Wouldnt mind it ending up Moss, Thomas, Are, Kelly, Hackett, Washington..Put Mitchell and Williams on the practice squad.

All this offense needs to do is jump on OT Levi Jones as soon as the Bungles release him.
Jones, Thomas/Rinehart, Rabach, Dock, Samuels....... I can live with that

Posted by: jeffco01 | May 4, 2009 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Wouldnt mind it ending up Moss, Thomas, Are, Kelly, Hackett, Washington..Put Mitchell and Williams on the practice squad.

Posted by: jeffco01 | May 4, 2009 8:56 PM

I don't want Hackett. Guy plays fewer downs than Malcolm Kelly. Always got an ouchie.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | May 4, 2009 9:00 PM | Report abuse

I wasn't aware of that stat on ARE but I guess it makes sense because there is no NFC East team with a good 1-2 tandem, say like Arizona has.

Have to assume both Philly and the Gints definitely WILL by the beginning of the season. So, too perhaps will Dallas. But that seems less likely.

Posted by: periculum | May 4, 2009 9:06 PM | Report abuse

All this offense needs to do is jump on OT Levi Jones as soon as the Bungles release him.
Jones, Thomas/Rinehart, Rabach, Dock, Samuels....... I can live with that

Posted by: jeffco01 | May 4, 2009

I'm sure Matt Mosely, Elfin, La Canfora, and Reid will wonder why the Redskins decide not to jump right on it if he is released. If Williams comes along, and Jansen really works at guard and center you now have better than reasonable viability as far as OL depth. Be a wonderful miracle to see Jansen win the center job. That would improve that position especially against the larger NT and NT/DT's that they will face. Then, they truly would have a "beast-like" offensive line with some really ornery guys.

Posted by: periculum | May 4, 2009 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Everyone looks good on paper now. Most teams are healthy and the beauty of the NFL is that everyone thinks they have a shot now.

What's interesting is that I think this team has sufficiently addressed the defensive side of the ball and with some depth and good talent. We could use more depth at the LB position, but we should be o.k.

As far as Offense goes...I think it's a big question mark. How will Campbell perform? Will last year's draft picks emerge? What will the O-line look like Game 1?

I think this team has more questions than answers, but I don't see why some would pick us to finish fourth in the division.

Posted by: rickyroge | May 4, 2009 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Wouldnt mind it ending up Moss, Thomas, Are, Kelly, Hackett, Washington..Put Mitchell and Williams on the practice squad.

Posted by: jeffco01 | May 4, 2009 8:56 PM

You can't put Williams on the practice squad.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 4, 2009 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Practice Squad Eligibility
According to league policy, only certain types of players are allowed to sign to the practice squad. Players cannot have played more than nine regular season games or been on the active roster for an entire year, nor can players be allowed to spend more than two seasons on the same team's squad unless that team's active roster never dips below 53 players

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 4, 2009 9:19 PM | Report abuse

If the Skins did get this guy a great many really serious problems could be dramatically reduced.

Ht: 6'5" Wt: 307 lbs. AGE: 29 years old.

Levi Jones
2008 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.
Grade: 73

Comment: Jones has been troubled by injuries quite a bit of late, but when healthy and at full strength, he is an excellent athlete. He has a very good size and athletic ability combination. He has good competitiveness and toughness. He is light on his feet and quick out of his stance in both the run and passing game. Jones can set quickly to handle the top-end speed rushers at this level. He is a natural knee-bender, who can redirect with ease and is a very flexible athlete. While he has ample strength, he isn't overly powerful, but he does look to finish his blocks. He doesn't have particularly heavy hands and rarely stuns defensive ends with his punch. Jones has a lot of talent, but gets beaten more than you would expect from someone with his abilities. He needs to play at the same high level snap after snap with more consistency. His technique is generally sound, but can waver, adding to his inconsistency. He also can be overly anxious and needs to do a better job being patient. Still, when he is healthy, few linemen in the league are on par with his combination of size and agility.

Posted by: periculum | May 4, 2009 9:21 PM | Report abuse

"wasn't aware of that stat on ARE but I guess it makes sense because there is no NFC East team with a good 1-2 tandem, say like Arizona has."

Actually there are only a few teams in the NFL whose 1-2 tandems stand out -- Arizona is one, NE another. In the NFC East, the third wide receiver hasn't been a big issue because the teams throw elsewhere anyway -- the 'Boys and Skins to the TE, NY and Philly to the RBs.

The problem last year with the Skins receivers is more that they're not the right type. Which of course is what the three second rounders were supposed to address.

But the posters here who insist the Skins are significantly less talented or productive on offense than the other NFC East clubs -- I don't think the numbers support that.

In '08, none were offensive powerhouses. The big change may be in Dallas, with Owens gone. We've already seen how the Giants struggle without Burress.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 4, 2009 9:32 PM | Report abuse

James Thrash SUCKS. I'm tired of him efforting himself into the Slot during practice and then crapping all over himself in actual games.
Devin Thomas WILL be our starter opposite Moss this year, with Randle El in the slot. His hamstring isn't pulled, and to keep him out there in the rain is senseless. Thomas is the real deal, when healthy, and is a legit deep threat.
The Redskins still have to sign Orakpo, and he won't be cheap. So to think the Skins can afford Boldin is to wish in vain.
The real competition starts in June boys, let's wait 'til then to make our predictions.

Posted by: wewbank1 | May 4, 2009 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Let's go Caps!
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | May 4, 2009 9:38 PM | Report abuse

We could use more depth at the LB position, but we should be o.k.

You're kidding right? Seriously?

Rocky McIntosh - 2nd round / Robert Thomas - 1st round / Cody Glenn 5th round.

London Fletcher / HB Blades- 6th round / R. Henson 6th round

Brian Orapko 1st round / Chris Wilson / Alfred Fincher / Tyson Smith.

If Thomas beats out McIntosh and he very well could given his health and speed you could potentially have 2 first rounders starting at outside linebacker.

This is called pure stupidity. Snyder sure seems like a kid when I see this. The kids forget there is a fact of NFL games: there are running plays. Defensive guys have to stop the run. Every idiot kid only thinks about the damned pass rush and beasts that can get to the quarterback. This other part of the game IS MAJOR! And I think Blache will do his best to get Orapko and Wilson prepared for that.

Posted by: periculum | May 4, 2009 9:41 PM | Report abuse

In '08, none were offensive powerhouses. The big change may be in Dallas, with Owens gone. We've already seen how the Giants struggle without Burress.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 4, 2009

The Giants aren't stupid like the Skins. They took care of that with their very 1st pick in Nicks and then they drafted Ramses Barden in the 3rd round. You are going to see a very aggressive Giants passing game. You aren't going to be happy when you see the targets Eli Manning will have when they play the Skins. You're in the past. Both the Eagles and Giants have improved offensively. The Skins may have dramatically eroded unless some miracles happen.

Posted by: periculum | May 4, 2009 9:45 PM | Report abuse

RedSkinHead ... not saying ARE was a top WR, he's so-so as a #2 or good as a #3 WR. Its really how bad our #3 WRs is (are?) that's the problem.

And yes, ARE shouldn't be returning punts and the fact that Zorn didn't make the change was a sign that Zorn doesn't fully grasp his role as Head Coach.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 4, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

okay so i think i'm a wuss...when it comes to watching the caps in playoffs. i can only watch the game when they're up a couple of goals. in the meantime i just follow the webcast...but i can watch it live in person with no problem.

Posted by: dealer1 | May 4, 2009 9:52 PM | Report abuse

"I wasn't aware of that stat on ARE but I guess it makes sense because there is no NFC East team with a good 1-2 tandem, say like Arizona has."

Have to assume both Philly and the Gints definitely WILL by the beginning of the season. So, too perhaps will Dallas. But that seems less likely.

Posted by: periculum | May 4, 2009 9:06 PM

The Giants (a) drafted 2 WRs that appear to have some upside but they are definitely not in the category of Machlin and Crabtree and (b) have a couple of "decent" holdovers in Manningham and Moss and out of this you devine that they "definitely WILL" have "a good 1-2 tandem, say like Arizona has." ??? You must have spent some of that money you won with your Mine That Bird bet on some really good weed.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | May 4, 2009 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Albert Haynesworth is very articulate; appears to be an attentive listener and a creative, critical thinker.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | May 4, 2009 10:04 PM | Report abuse

James Thrash SUCKS.

Posted by: wewbank1 | May 4, 2009 9:35 PM

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False.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | May 4, 2009 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Everyone looks good on paper now.

Posted by: rickyroge | May 4, 2009 9:13 PM

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False.

Posted by: Chia_Pet | May 4, 2009 10:07 PM | Report abuse

The Giants (a) drafted 2 WRs that appear to have some upside but they are definitely not in the category of Machlin and Crabtree and (b) have a couple of "decent" holdovers in Manningham and Moss and out of this you devine that they "definitely WILL" have "a good 1-2 tandem, say like Arizona has." ??? You must have spent some of that money you won with your Mine That Bird bet on some really good weed.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | May 4, 2009

Nicks AND Ramses Barden -> NY GIANTS
***To go with Toomer and Smith

Maclin AND Gibson -> PHILADELPHIA EAGLES
***To go with Reggie Brown, DeSean Jackson,
***Inbgram AND Westbrook PLUS McCoy!!!

Deadskins LOOKING VERY WEAK:
Marko Mitchell
To Go with: MAYBE, BIG MAYBE Devin Thomas,
AND Malcolm Kelly PLUS Santana Moss, Chris Cooley
AND ARE

Another fool hiding his head in the sand.


AND Fred Davis MAYBE,
**** T

Posted by: periculum | May 4, 2009 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Caps win 4-3

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | May 4, 2009
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True!
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | May 4, 2009 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth Sued Following Car Accident
Posted by Aaron Wilson on May 4, 2009, 10:13 p.m.
Washington Redskins defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth is the subject of a $7.5 million lawsuit following a December car accident in Tennessee that caused the other driver to undergo hip replacement surgery.

According to the Associated Press, the plaintiff is also seeking punitive damages amounting to at least 25 percent of the $41 million in guaranteed money included in Haynesworth’s blockbuster contract.

Per the report, Corey Edmondson alleged that Haynesworth was driving dangerously when Haynesworth’s Ferrari collided with Edmondson’s car. In March, a grand jury returned an indictment against Haynesworth on reckless driving and expired registration charges.

The lawsuit states that: “In short, Haynesworth was intentionally and selfishly driving like a maniac and has wreaked havoc on the life of a 25 year old man and his family.”

Edmondson has incurred medical bills of $230,000 and is disabled and unable to work, according to his lawyer.

Edmondson is reportedly disappointed that Haynesworth hasn’t gotten in touch with him since the accident with his lawyer, Jon Perry, saying: “I’m not sure if it’s a level of apathy or if he’s focused on other things or if he doesn’t care or if he thinks maybe it’ll just go away.”

Of course, it’s plausible that Haynesworth may also have been advised by his legal counsel to not speak with Edmondson since there’s potential litigation between the two parties.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 4, 2009 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Take this to the bank:

The giants will not sweep the 'Skins this year.

Posted by: Vicc | May 4, 2009 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Nicks AND Ramses Barden -> NY GIANTS
***To go with Toomer and Smith

Posted by: periculum | May 4, 2009 10:13 PM

So after after a few more tokes you come up with this?

Smith=574 rec yds; ARE=599 rec yds
Toomer=not on team roster
Nicks=???; dumb rookie
Barden=???; dumb rookie

Hah!

Posted by: AntonChigurh | May 4, 2009 10:30 PM | Report abuse

... a December car accident in Tennessee that caused the other driver to undergo hip replacement surgery. ...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 4, 2009 10:27 PM

Were he wearing a seat belt at the time of the accident?

Posted by: AntonChigurh | May 4, 2009 10:36 PM | Report abuse

periculum: "The Giants aren't stupid like the Skins. They took care of that with their very 1st pick in Nicks and then they drafted Ramses Barden in the 3rd round. You are going to see a very aggressive Giants passing game. You aren't going to be happy when you see the targets Eli Manning will have when they play the Skins. You're in the past. Both the Eagles and Giants have improved offensively. The Skins may have dramatically eroded unless some miracles happen."

Let's see, NY lost Burress, their most dangerous WR, and apparently Amani Toomer, but added Hakeem Nicks, a moderately big possession receiver with ordinary speed (4.63 - 29th at the combine) and REALLY big possession receiver in Ramses Barden who also has ordinary speed (4.68 -- tied for 32nd). I don't know where you get the notion that Tom Coughlin's team will be much more aggressive with the pass.

The Eagles, by contrast, added Jeremy Maclin, a speedster (4.48 -- 13th) to complement DeSean Jackson, and a TE to replace LJ Smith, who went to Baltimore. And they'll have Kevin Curtis back, of course. The Eagles have always been a passing team under Andy Reid.

I dunno, looks like the Eagles could be more dangerous, if everything clicks. Don't forget that was a team that came on strong at the end after being quite uneven for chunks of the season. The real changes are on the line.

So I'm left wondering where you get these mighty notions of yours, which you report with such conviction.

I think the big difference between this and your other predictions, which I took issue with, is that now they're in boldface. That's not an improvement, either.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 4, 2009 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Clinton Portis is still a beast and will continue his consistent HALL OF FAME career behind our O-line.

luv Clinton.

Posted by: Vicc | May 4, 2009 10:47 PM | Report abuse

... a December car accident in Tennessee that caused the other driver to undergo hip replacement surgery. ...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 4, 2009 10:27 PM

Were he wearing a seat belt at the time of the accident?


Posted by: AntonChigurh | May 4, 2009 10:36 PM

I know as much as you. That was a cut and paste job.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 4, 2009 10:48 PM | Report abuse

Devin Thomas=Malcolm Kelly=Darnarian McCants=Taylor Jacobs=Rod Gardner=Michael Westbrook=Walter Murray=Desmond Howard

All of those losers are payback for having Taylor=Mitchell=Monk=Sanders=Clark=Garret..

What comes around, goes around...

Posted by: james51 | May 4, 2009 10:50 PM | Report abuse

... a December car accident in Tennessee that caused the other driver to undergo hip replacement surgery. ...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 4, 2009 10:27 PM

Were he wearing a seat belt at the time of the accident?
Posted by: AntonChigurh | May 4, 2009 10:36 PM | Report abuse


I believe that he was from the police report. Are you Fat Albert's defense attorney? That would explain many of your posts. 1 more distraction for this team unfortunately.

Posted by: zornskins2 | May 4, 2009 10:51 PM | Report abuse

An update on Williams says that he is under 400 lbs. today.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | May 4, 2009 10:56 PM | Report abuse

All of the NFC East teams are likely to have significant flaws. For the jints, its the passing game. For the iggles, its integrating their talent since they've had a lot of key changes. dallas has a bunch of flaws and a history of underachieving.

Our flaws are on the OL, which severely compromises both our run and pass game. Our WRs are as good as any in the division, as long as Moss is healthy -- which usually isn't the case for a full season. Our K and P are both problems and will probably cost us a winnable game or two.

I don't think the NFC East got stronger compared to the rest of the league and our defense will keep games close.

I think the iggles are most improved, if they mesh. Which is a pretty big 'if'.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 4, 2009 11:17 PM | Report abuse

I agree with zcezcest1.

Because members of the beast beat each other up over the course of the season, it is impossible to tell how it will end up.

Only division w/o a losing record.

Posted by: Vicc | May 4, 2009 11:26 PM | Report abuse

Hey zcezcest1 I totally agree. I think McNabb, although not as intense as Jason's, is dealing with a FO confidence problem as well. It will be interesting on how well the Eagles do defensively as well with the heart (Dawkins) gone.

Posted by: clark202 | May 4, 2009 11:36 PM | Report abuse

I wish you would not have reminded me of Taylor Jacobs. We cant make the same mistakes with Thomas and Kelly.Cut them in training camp and cut the losses. What a waste of draft picks!!!

Posted by: skinsfanfrmbirth | May 4, 2009 11:54 PM | Report abuse

I keep hearing Wasington's name thrown into the mix. He was offered a contract but din't sign, He is now attending the Ravens Camp. The only guys inked are Shelton (0 NFL cathces) and Williams (84-1139-6 tds) and both are 6'. If DT could push ARE for the 2, then ARE would be a much better fit in the slot. At this point in the game the improvement in the wr corps is gonna have to come from the last years 2nd rd triplets.

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 5, 2009 12:14 AM | Report abuse

And for the guy who has been wearing Ricky Sander's #83, well to be the man your gonna have to beat the man and that hasn't happened in the last 3 years and it's looking like it will continue.

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 5, 2009 12:18 AM | Report abuse

hey whats wrong with bringing bodies into camp. everybody needs competition and that includes JC.

Seems to me they are trying to improve the team in anyway they can till fill in some role players.

maybe having some vets in at wr might push these younsters to step it up.

i applaud competition...

Posted by: leevi98 | May 5, 2009 1:03 AM | Report abuse

The messsage in the WR signings is that the Org knows along with Zorn that the Offense sucked last year.

Our Defense only gave up 18.5 points a game last year, 5th in the League. Out of 32 Teams the 20th Team scored about 20 points a game.

At 28 in the League we scored 16.6. Thats pathetic. That ain't all on Jason Campbell. It ain't all on the Offensive line.

It's more on the coaching philosophy and the lack of receivers for Jason to throw too.

You can say that Jason is not good for the West Coast Offense, but that isn't true either.

Jason can throw the ball very well, but the lack of prolific receivers besides Moss was telling and the lack of adjustment by Zorn to Jason strengths is also a concern.

So getting deep at the receiver position and another year of Zorn getting Campbell to excell beyond his West Coast schemes is a must for the Redskins.

You see our Defense is good but scoring only 16.6 points a game ain't gonna win no Superbowls.

LarryInClintonMD.

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | May 5, 2009 1:11 AM | Report abuse

hey whats wrong with bringing bodies into camp. everybody needs competition and that includes JC.

Seems to me they are trying to improve the team in anyway they can till fill in some role players.

maybe having some vets in at wr might push these younsters to step it up.

i applaud competition...

Posted by: leevi98

be nice if some of those competitors also brought talent ... along with their A game

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 5, 2009 1:15 AM | Report abuse

I haven't read the comments, but Rodyell Williams IS a great pick up. He should be fully recovered from that broken ankle now.

As should Jansen...

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 5, 2009 1:16 AM | Report abuse

from the article on Sunday ...

Despite Evans's strong season, the Redskins made no attempt to re-sign him because "it was just a decision we had to make cap-wise," Blache said. It was "a decision we had to make personnel-wise and we made it. Demetric is a fine player and he did a lot for the Redskins. But Lorenzo is, very much, a similar person."

And that's what I meant by saying signing Albert was "too many eggs in too few baskets". Evans, a good role player (with as many sacks as Carter or Taylor) was too costly -- even with a very modest salary. Alexander hasn't played close to the level Evans played at last year.

Its why signing Albert was 2 steps forward (or maybe 3), but also 1 step back.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 5, 2009 2:09 AM | Report abuse

Regarding JC, ARE and CCooley had their best years ever last year receiving.

JC's working with the players he's been given.

Posted by: Alan4 | May 5, 2009 2:10 AM | Report abuse

The more bodies the better. Can't hurt to try. ROCK THE RED!

Posted by: croftonpost | May 5, 2009 3:21 AM | Report abuse

"Devin Thomas=Malcolm Kelly=Darnarian McCants=Taylor Jacobs=Rod Gardner=Michael Westbrook=Walter Murray=Desmond Howard
All of those losers are payback for having Taylor=Mitchell=Monk=Sanders=Clark=Garret.."

Hmmm... would that be the Rod Gardner of 2002, with 71 receptions for 1006 yards, a 14 yard average and 8 TDs?

Or the Westbrook of 1999, who caught 65 for 1191 and 9 TDs?

'Cause I wouldn't mind having one of those guys back for a season or two.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 5, 2009 4:34 AM | Report abuse

"Roydell's per catch ave. was decent in 2007 - 16 yds+.Marko had an excellent 40 yd. speed - 4.43.Posted by: fwroy"

Sixteen yards plus is better than decent -- too bad his average was only 13. But he did have 55 catches and 4TDs.

Marko the seventh rounder has excellent speed of the sort they call 'in-line' -- meaning straight ahead. He finished well down the list at the combine in both of the quickness drills. The real problem is supposedly upper body weakness -- those 9 bench presses. That's correctable, but may take a season or two.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 5, 2009 5:00 AM | Report abuse

"And that's what I meant by saying signing Albert was "too many eggs in too few baskets". Evans, a good role player (with as many sacks as Carter or Taylor) was too costly -- even with a very modest salary. Alexander hasn't played close to the level Evans played at last year.Its why signing Albert was 2 steps forward (or maybe 3), but also 1 step back.Posted by: zcezcest1"

I appreciate Evans. He got a lot of time last year in Daniels' absence, as people began to realize Jason Taylor would never be the answer -- and his production was about the same as Daniels' had been, with maybe an extra sack. Evans' big contribution was staying healthy and on the field.

So IMO it's a loss, but not a terribly big one. Evans was never as productive as, say, Daniels was in '05. If healthy, Daniels is every bit as good. Daniels and Wynn could be better. Does take up two roster spots, however. But both those guys, like Evans, can rotate inside.

I look at it as Evans is 30, he needed a commitment to a starting job, and SF gave him one, along with a boatload of cash. Best of luck to him.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 5, 2009 6:18 AM | Report abuse

Devin Thomas=Malcolm Kelly=Darnarian McCants=Taylor Jacobs=Rod Gardner=Michael Westbrook=Walter Murray=Desmond Howard

All of those losers are payback for having Taylor=Mitchell=Monk=Sanders=Clark=Garret..

What comes around, goes around...

Posted by: james51 | May 4, 2009 10:50 PM

Yup. It's bad "karma" to have a Hall of Fame tradition at one position. I mean, look at Pittsburgh...all those HoF LBs from the 70s and great ones from the 90s and now...oh wait...

Yeah, pick another reason...

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 5, 2009 6:19 AM | Report abuse

Two other things to note about Daniels, Wynn, and Alexander:

Thought he didn't start and only got in on 17 tackles, Lorenzo had 2 sacks last year -- which with more time on the field would translate to about the same number as Evans. He's shorter but quicker.

Weird thing about Daniels -- for a 'stay-home' DE, he seems to defend the passing lanes very well. In '07, for instance, he had 9 passes defended -- you'd expect something like 2-3. But in '05, the year he had 8 sacks, he had 8 passes defensed. And back in '03, with the Bears, he had 5, and '01, also in Chicago, he had 9.

That's pretty unusual.

Of course he's 36, so how much longer can he go? But since he missed all last season, he's had time to rest up. As a part-timer, he could really help. And last year we might have missed him more than we realized.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 5, 2009 7:14 AM | Report abuse

Of course he's 36, so how much longer can he go? But since he missed all last season, he's had time to rest up. As a part-timer, he could really help. And last year we might have missed him more than we realized.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 5, 2009 7:14 AM

Actually Samson, he didn't have a year to "rest up"...he had to rehab a pretty bad knee injury. Which usually takes a couple years to heal right. Truth is, that injury should spell the end of his career and the only reason he's back is because the Skins have NO other option. I think they need to hope that someone serviceable comes available or someone on the roster now steps up because I think Philip Daniels in '09 is going to remind folks of Jon Jansen in '08...

Posted by: brownwood26 | May 5, 2009 7:33 AM | Report abuse

..thoughts on the upcoming A-Rod book that Selena Roberts is putting out..'


heh, heh, he said "Selena Roberts is putting out!" Somebody tell the Duke lacrosse team!

Posted by: LarryBud | May 5, 2009 7:45 AM | Report abuse

One another thing about the Giants' pass attack -- they lost Derrick Ward, who was a big part of it.

Ward got 1000+ yards on the ground, but he also caught 41, at 9.4 yards a clip (very good for a RB). He was their 3rd leading receiver and main option underneath (the TE only caught 33). They don't really throw to Jacobs or the fullback. I guess they're thinking Bradshaw will fill the role. He's faster and younger. Last year he only caught 5, however. And he's 30 pounds lighter.

They did pick up a 4th rounder, Andre Brown, who's a good receiver and more Ward's size. Maybe he can help.

Overall it looks to me like NY is expecting something of a transition year in terms of offensive firepower. Of course, they've got a fine OL and a very good defense to carry them. And there's always Eli.

Posted by: Samson151 | May 5, 2009 7:46 AM | Report abuse

"Actually Samson, he didn't have a year to "rest up"...he had to rehab a pretty bad knee injury. Which usually takes a couple years to heal right. Truth is, that injury should spell the end of his career and the only reason he's back is because the Skins have NO other option. I think they need to hope that someone serviceable comes available or someone on the roster now steps up because I think Philip Daniels in '09 is going to remind folks of Jon Jansen in '08..."

Well, we'll all get to see for ourselves. But one correction: there were other options out there, including Lo Alexander. Be interesting to see who gets on the field.


Posted by: brownwood26

Posted by: Samson151 | May 5, 2009 7:50 AM | Report abuse

""Just reading a Lions blog to check up on what they think of my boy Stafford and I saw a guy doing game by game predictions and I lol'd"
Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 4, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

You just really lack for things to do during the day, don't you?

Posted by: JohnDinHouston "

Not really, I'm a Dawg fan more than a Skins fan and wanted to know how Stafford was looking in practice. Please excuse me.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 5, 2009 7:58 AM | Report abuse

A-Rod is exactly that.

But I really don't blame atheletes for availing themselves of the current tools of the trade.

I actually think a more managed approach to 'roid use would be beneficial to the the athletes and the game. I think there were some reasonable voices for this position before the congressional hysteria.

He's still a tool, tho.

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 5, 2009 8:03 AM | Report abuse

Were he wearing a seat belt at the time of the accident?
Posted by: AntonChigurh | May 4, 2009 10:36 PM | Report abuse

I believe that he was from the police report. Are you Fat Albert's defense attorney? That would explain many of your posts. 1 more distraction for this team unfortunately.

Posted by: zornskins2 | May 4, 2009 10:51 PM

If you are buckled up and strapped into your seat it is very hard to get a dislocated hip in an accident. Your hips are nestled snuggly against the cushion of the seat, which absorbs the shock of the impact. I checked the portion of the police report that was put online and found no mention of any seat belt situation.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | May 5, 2009 8:23 AM | Report abuse

'...You are going to see a very aggressive Giants passing game...'

The iggles, too: Maclin, Jackson, Westbrook are some nice targets as each guy is an open-field demon. Cornelius Ingraham is a player at tight end many folks feel will dominate as he's more of a big, fast wide out than traditional te.

The jints don't have Plax, but they just need some guys to make an occasional deep catch to keep folks out of 8 man fronts to free up B Jacobs. Eli is useless throwing underneath and needs the bomb to keep the pressure off him.

Redskins folks who hated the Barnes selection will take their complaints back when they see the NFC East competition throw more and run less next year.

You really need 4 solid corners in today's NFL and with Barnes, maybe we've solidified ourselves in that regard. We have solid safetty play to go along with the corners, too.

Now, if we could only get some youth and athleticism on the o-line, then we'd be saying something.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 5, 2009 8:35 AM | Report abuse

moe, agreed on the 4 corners, thats a situation where you can't ever have too many corners.

I do think however that the giants(plax/rb whose name escapes me) and the eagles(Tra Thomas/Jon Runyan)are going to be faced with some issues....

good game last night...did you stay up...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 5, 2009 8:39 AM | Report abuse

I guess coverage is important. And having outstanding talent at the corner position is a bonus. But what about our previously successful philosophy of PUNISHERS at the safeties?

It seems to me the receiver always has the advantage over the CB because as a defender you're reacting to what he does...

But if you have game changing safeties, punishers, then the receivers are pigeonholed into what you want them to do.

Until we return to that philosophy, I believe we are at the mercy of our opponents' pass attacks. Now, the increased pressure will help. But a crafty NFL QB can handle that and run their offense anyway.

But if they're not catching the ball 'cause they hear footsteps, it doesn't matter how good the QB is.

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 5, 2009 8:54 AM | Report abuse

bean

'...good game last night...did you stay up...'


I watched three innings, then the world went blank.

I woke up at 3 on the couch.

I went to the internet, saw the Yanks had lost, and thanked the sandman for putting me to sleep so I missed out on the misery.

Lester is an incredibly good young pitcher, though, and I halfway suspected he'd be on before the game started.

I missed Joe G getting tossed. And what's up with the 'stealing signs' nonsense?

It's baseball, everybody steals something during the course of a game.

Joe needs to get Big Tex going and fugidabout sign stealin'.

Joba C tonite. Maybe we'll get this on.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 5, 2009 9:05 AM | Report abuse

DikShuttle

'....But if they're not catching the ball 'cause they hear footsteps, it doesn't matter how good the QB is....'

Agreed.

But the way they call personal fouls for unnecessary roughness today, agressive safety play gets turned too often into 1st downs and fines.

I don't get how anybody can tackle, hit, or make a play on a ball today when they league thinks a guy can't be punished for coming across the middle.

Heck, if I was an offensive coordinator, I'd make crossing routes a staple pattern figuring I'd get a big penalty from time to time.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 5, 2009 9:12 AM | Report abuse

And that's what I meant by saying signing Albert was "too many eggs in too few baskets". Evans, a good role player (with as many sacks as Carter or Taylor) was too costly -- even with a very modest salary. Alexander hasn't played close to the level Evans played at last year.

Its why signing Albert was 2 steps forward (or maybe 3), but also 1 step back.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 5, 2009 2:09 AM |


That's why I like Redskins dot com. You can watch the WHOLE interview yourself and be the judge of it instead of getting cherry picked qoutes.

Blatche also said that Lorenzo is different. He lost a little weight and gained some muscle and he will he fully expects him to step it up this year.....

Evans was also on the wrong side of 30. He plateued (sp?).....

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 5, 2009 9:19 AM | Report abuse

... Our flaws are on the OL, which severely compromises both our run and pass game. Our WRs are as good as any in the division, as long as Moss is healthy -- which usually isn't the case for a full season. ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | May 4, 2009 11:17 PM

Firstly, we needs to wait and see about our OL. What you are calling a flaw could turn out to be a real weapon. If Mike Williams can lose enough weight and build up enough stamina, the dude will be a real steamroller at right tackle. He will open up massive holes for Portis, who loves to run between the tackles. And then when the defense pulls its LBs in to contain the center you hit them with out passes, something Campbell has the arm for. Secondly, our WRs are not as good as you think, at least when you compare them to Philly. We don't have the personnel to match up with Machlin, Jackson and Curtis.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | May 5, 2009 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Ok folks, there's just ENTIRELY too much to agree about here on this blog today.

So I'll offer the following:

Start Colt Brennan!!

lmSJKao... maps.. married gays...

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 5, 2009 9:30 AM | Report abuse

I killed the blog. Awesome.

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 5, 2009 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Justin Tuck is on Mike & Mike and was asked his opinion on Jason Campbell.

Tuck said that he likes Jason and thinks he is a promising QB. Went on to say that Jason has not had the WRs to work with that many other teams do.

Posted by: Lisa_R | May 5, 2009 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Blog killed the radio star.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | May 5, 2009 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Lisa - What else would you expect him to say? He isn't going to to add any feul to JC's fire. Especially since they play the 1st game of the season.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | May 5, 2009 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Competition is great, especially @ areas of need. I just wish the competition they brought in to challenge DT, Kelly, and most importantly Thrash was a real influx of talent. Nothing wrong throwing a bunch of castoffs from other teams against the wall, but the best chance for the WR corps to marketedly improve is for the 2nd round triplets to develop.

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 5, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

"Lisa - What else would you expect him to say? He isn't going to to add any feul to JC's fire. Especially since they play the 1st game of the season......."

I agree that most players don't take shots at other players, but how do you explain his comment on the WR's? You don't think that adds fuel to Santana's fire?

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | May 5, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

I agree that most players don't take shots at other players, but how do you explain his comment on the WR's? You don't think that adds fuel to Santana's fire?

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | May 5, 2009 9:46 AM

Tuck said that Jason did not really have any WRs EXCEPT Santana. And he was not dissing our WRs - just stating the fact that besides Santana and Cooley who really shows up for us (this is my comment - not his).

And 4th, Tuck did not have to be complimentary of Jason. He was being honest.

Posted by: Lisa_R | May 5, 2009 9:50 AM | Report abuse

'.. Went on to say that Jason has not had the WRs to work with that many other teams do...'


Mr Tuck's observations are a possible clue to the question of why so many sacks and dump offs took place late last season when the skins tried relying on thei passing game.

We want to blame Campbell.

But NFL players get to watch tape and Tuck's comments seem to indicate what might be a league-wide sentiment: if you put pressure on the skins small receivers (or roll cover to Moss's side of the field), they don't fair too well.

Teams must feel you can make things tough for Cooley by jamming him on the line as well.

You have to hope anyone of the recent signees plus Thomas steps up and becomes a reliable option for Campbell.

Yes: the creaky o-line has something to do with the sorry passing game, but Campbell not having reliable second/third options when he does have time to throw hurts as well--and might be a problem that's easier to solve.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 5, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

WRs HAVE to know they have a spotlight on them this year, don't they?

I just can't imagine how last years rooks are still playing the injury game. It's sad.

....maybe we SHOULD pick up TO... lmao

Posted by: DikShuttle | May 5, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: mafreeman | May 5, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

moe, same on the number of innings watched, I was going back and forth between this game, and the Celts, and was just drained from the Celts letdown. Lester is good, but he needs to develop some consistancy. I missed Joe getting the hook, but I heard it was arguing ball and strike calls, Jeter got punched out, and Joe G didn't like it.

Beckett goes for the sox, and he's been maddeningly inconsistent, and poor this year....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 5, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

"Teams must feel you can make things tough for Cooley by jamming him on the line as well.

Posted by: MistaMoe"

A more likely explanation is that a majority of Cooley's receptions were check-downs, as is the case with most TEs in the league, especially because Cooley was held in to assist with blocking assignments for a good amount of time last season.

It's encouraging to hear that Devin Thomas is developing into what we hope is a useful player (of course it's also discouraging to hear that he's injured, yet again, in the offseason). Somebody needs to be able to step up and take pressure off of Moss. Randle El can clearly only do so much as a #2, so somebody needs to step up and make the offense less predictable for the defensive coverage.

Posted by: psps23 | May 5, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

beepbeep

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | May 5, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

DikShuttle

'..I just can't imagine how last years rooks are still playing the injury game. It's sad..'


Thomas has been on the field.

Kelly's situation, though, is sad for other reasons.

It's not his fault the skins knew he had knee issues and drafted him high anyways.

The team's evaluation of Kelly seems to have been laced with the same kind of witless football coach optimism that usually presages a dumb end result: "He'll be fine once he gets the pads on."

Trouble is, it seems like the guy was wearing a pad already.

And from what I remember, when he did play last season, he looked like an unconfident fearful player trying to catch a fade route or two.

Whatever promise he-M Kelly- holds has taken Taylor Jacobs'/Micheal Westbrook's shape and form.

I don't think Kelly is playing hurt. I just think in terms of drafting him, the redskins weren't playing smart.

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 5, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Today's weird headline:


"Saints charged with indecent conduct discharged from jail"


No, Reggie was not out in a strip club looking at Bush.

(INSERT rimshot audio and image of Rodney "Moe" Dangerfield yanking his tie while complaining about the lack of respect he receives in this blog.)

Posted by: MistaMoe | May 5, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Justin Tuck isn't breaking news here. The wr's as a unit are ordinary. Moss while he does put up numbers, he can be neutalized for long stretches with safety help because he is the only threat. And as far as the redzone Moss's size hurts us as the only goto guy, so Moss is great but there is less margin for error when you #1 guy is 5'9 and not named Steve Smith. ARE, DT, Kelly, Thrash, are hardly keepind D coaches up @ night. (just discussing the wr's here)

Posted by: Diesel44 | May 5, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

SIGN LARRY FOOTE

Posted by: jontp007 | May 5, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

"Tuck said that he likes Jason and thinks he is a promising QB. Went on to say that Jason has not had the WRs to work with that many other teams do.Posted by: Lisa_R"

An odd comment from a DL, who's looking the other way. Wonder what the Giant DBs and coaches think.


Posted by: Samson151 | May 5, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

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