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Skins Take Barnes, Maryland CB, in Third Round

With the 80th pick overall (and a third-rounder), the Skins take a local kid, who can help them with the mix of guys fighting for a nickel corner spot. Justin Tryon has a ways to go and is very slight, while Fred Smoot is coming off a poor season and could be a year away from departing.

The Redskins, as I reported, were trying to move down, including dropping all the way out of the third round if the price was right, according to sources.

Got a quick scouting report on Barnes, who is listed as 6-1, 188, according to one scout: "He's a slim, fast kid. We were worrying about him being physical enough."

Dan Steinberg provides video evidence of an, um, key hit the kid delivered. (Not for the weak of tummy.)

By Jason La Canfora  |  April 26, 2009; 11:00 AM ET
 
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Comments

First

Can Barnes be the #3 corner this year?

Posted by: Wemiss21 | April 26, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Let the negativity ensue...

Posted by: SmallPen15 | April 26, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

I guess they feel ok at the OL

Posted by: BT23 | April 26, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

I'll take it. Would've preferred an OT or something, but a CB isn't bad I guess...

Posted by: hobbes9 | April 26, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

not a fan of the pick at all


wasn't Macho Harris still available, too?


Duke should've been the pick.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 26, 2009 11:07 AM | Report abuse

WHAT THE HELL!!! I am sure he can help with blocking for JC and CP.

nicely done snyderrato. idiots.

Posted by: whughes1 | April 26, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Great Pick Idiots!

Posted by: hehateme | April 26, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

With Meredith (OT) and McKenzie (OLB) available - I don't get it?

Posted by: timpay14 | April 26, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Kevin Barnes? Who the hell is that? How do you not go for OL?

Posted by: ga8085 | April 26, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

a CB? r u effing kidding me? why no trade down or some OL beef? WTF?

Posted by: lsskinsfan

Posted by: lsskinsfan | April 26, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Weird Strategy...

Posted by: hehateme | April 26, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Skins have more pressing needs---weak!

Posted by: budgriff1 | April 26, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Analysis: Barnes is a great value here, as he was on his way toward being a potential first-round pick until a shoulder injury ended his 2008 season. He is physical, runs well and has the body control to consistently break on the ball. A potential starter down the line for the 'Skins.

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | April 26, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Why not address the O-Line? We drafted DB's last year. This pick sucks. If we wanted a CB at this pick we should have drafted Victor Harris or DJ Moore.

Posted by: DemBakerBoyz | April 26, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Meredith was the pick

Posted by: kreitmaster | April 26, 2009 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Behold Justin Tryon 2.0

Posted by: hehateme | April 26, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

There was some serious offensive line help on the board still.

Did Sniderato forget how old are starters on the O.L. are?
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 26, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Why do we hate the OL so much. I know Smoot was off last year but we were way more solid there than the line. Heyer and Randy better have good years in 09. Duke should have been the guy.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | April 26, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Kevin Barnes:

BIOGRAPHY: Two-year starter who posted 20/2/5 in seven games as a senior before a shoulder injury put him on the sidelines. Junior totals included 64/4/8.

POSITIVES: Athletically gifted cornerback with tremendous size and speed. Fluid transitioning off the line, displays a good burst of speed, and runs downfield with opponents. Quickly breaks to the throw out of his plant, has a nice move on the ball, and flies around the field trying to defend the pass. Aggressive in run defense, and quickly makes his way up the field, stopping ball carriers.

NEGATIVES: Does not play with great balance or body control. Prone to losing the ball in the air on occasion.

ANALYSIS: Barnes entered his senior season with high grades after turning in a terrific junior campaign. He played well last year before the season-ending shoulder injury yet he still offers a tremendous amount of upside potential for the next level.

PROJECTION: Third Round

Posted by: damone1972 | April 26, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

best player available is such a great strategy! we need an o-lineman, so we probably reach for a corner. asoginasgoijasogijfodigjosdghsiufhgopa;hgf!!!!

Posted by: braker19cleartheline | April 26, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Gweez | April 26, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

i dont hate the pick....since im a huge terps fan barnes is a good player he is a big corner who can hit if anyone saw the hit on the cal rb earlier this year, but still i think the FO kinda forgot offensive lineman is an actual position or something

Posted by: skinsst21 | April 26, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Looks good on paper....

Kevin Barnes
Height: 6'0 1/4" / Weight: 187
40: 4.45 / Arm: 32 1/2"" / Vertical: 41"

Posted by: Wemiss21 | April 26, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i26DRXC37fs

Might make folks feel better.

Posted by: jakfish | April 26, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

What about the O-line!!? It's like they want JC to fail so they can justify dropped both him and Zorn. Makes so so angry!

Posted by: Salinas1 | April 26, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse


well said!

Posted by: chrislarry | April 26, 2009 10:37 AM

Not so fast buddy. when generalizations start, I am usually the exception as in the said case. I was one of the only one clamoring against Orakpo in the 1st place BEFORE not AFTER the draft........

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 26, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

yeah I would've liked Moore or Harris if we were set on DB. Specifically Harris, I think Harris will be very good in about 2 or 3 years.

This guy, I just dunno.


I guess we're looking at OL in the 5th? Meredith from USC might still be available, or Boone from Ohio State....

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 26, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

I guess they figured they needed some more depth at CB because of WR upgrades in the NFC East. Tyron will never be an impact player for the Skins...

Posted by: BT23 | April 26, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

These dopes forget that it was an aging offensive line that helped in the late season melt down last year. Can they PLEASE draft some offensive linemen, Arrgh!

Posted by: gentlestep | April 26, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

I really don't understand this pick at all. Should have went O Lineman here.

JM220

Posted by: icetotalpackage | April 26, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Barnes was listed to be a late 1st to mid 2nd. So we got value here.

Good pick up. He scored one of the highest wondurlik scores I believe.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 26, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Best player available strategy has brought:
2nd rounders: Thomas, Davis, Kelly
3rd rounders: Rinehart, Barnes

So much talent available, why reach?

Posted by: hehateme | April 26, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Did Duke Robinson commit murder or something in the couple weeks?
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 26, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

How do you not know anything about Kevin Barnes and need a scouting report from someone else you idiot. I'm convinced you just make this crap up.

Not to mention "worrying about him being physical enough"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFYB9ZEWs94&feature=related

Known as the Atlantic Coast Conference's hardest-hitting tackler, Barnes became a YouTube sensation after that service began showing the vicious hit he delivered on California's Jahvid Best early last season that caused the running back to "lose his lunch" from the bone-jarring tackle. But making sensational tackles had become a normal thing for the Terrapin defender. "That's probably the hardest hit I've ever taken in my life," Best said at the time. "It really knocked the wind out of me, and I had a little trouble breathing for the rest of the game."

During 2008 spring camp, Barnes stopped running back Morgan Green (who outweighed him by 30 pounds) in his tracks during an intra-squad game, leaving his teammate being carried off the field. However, it was another violent collision that would bring his college career to an end. In the team's seventh game of 2008, he clobbered Wake Forest receiver D.J. Boldin as both were going for the pass, resulting in the Terps defensive back suffering a torn labrum, fractured left scapula, broken collarbone and rotator cuff damage.

Posted by: WhySoSerious | April 26, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Don't know much about this kid, but read it was actually a good pick. My concern is again we ignore the OL? Was Barnes too good to pass up at this spot?

Posted by: adamkatzen | April 26, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Come on, guys, Kevin Barnes is the next Leigh Torrrence... I see many Pro Bowls, million-dollar national endorsements and a lot of bling in this kid's future.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | April 26, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

So we spent 100 million on the defense that was already top 5 and instead of helping our 16 point a game offense we take a tweener that may help or may be Jason Taylor and we follow that up with a corner? Wow........just wow......

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 26, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

I was surprised that Brad Fletcher and Cox went ahead of Barnes. Must have been the shoulder injury. CBs just seem to get more precious every year. I wonder if they measured Tryon before they drafted him last season -- size isn't everything, they say, but really...

Posted by: Samson151 | April 26, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: northvajim1 | April 26, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Comes up quickly on screen passes and running plays to make hard, violent tackles. (Per the link above)

I love that but isn't gonna help when our OL sucks again. I guess Mike Williams is the cure all in their mind. It makes no sense. Curious to see what they do with Lo Alexander. Maybe they think he is an answer at OL. Still glaring weakness at RT.

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | April 26, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

The pick was not that bad. I think Macho Harris was more of a playmaker but not bad.

None of the lineman at 80 would have come in here and started so I dont know why people are acting as if the skins made an al davis reach.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 26, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Did Duke Robinson commit murder or something in the couple weeks?
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 26, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Great Post! Snyder and Cerrato are terrible and playing out of their league. Zorn is in over his head.

Posted by: hehateme | April 26, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

To me, I look at the chargers and steelers picks right before us and it is clear why they are better managed teams....

Oh well, love the flashy players I guess.

Hail

Posted by: chrislarry | April 26, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Every team needs 3 good corners. Smoot may not have enough left this year, he definitely will be gone next year, so the Skins had to get a corner.

They also need a tackle, but they just don't have enough picks to fill all the needs.

Posted by: Wemiss21 | April 26, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

4th, buddy, does your arm ever hurt from constant self back padding......its not all about you.

Posted by: chrislarry | April 26, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

From the same FO that brought us Rashad Bauman in the 3rd Round a couple years back...

Posted by: hehateme | April 26, 2009 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Kevin Barnes hit a player so hard that he made him puke: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GIP5TpN858&feature=related

Posted by: skins1110 | April 26, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Well, I'd say this draft is sending another clear message to Jason Campbell.

And that message is, you're not going to have a good 2009 season because we aren't going to give you any protection.

This pick today is just confirmation that Tryon was a bust. If we hadn't drafted Horton last year that entire draft would be a bust.

Posted by: isnadd | April 26, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Well, I'd say this draft is sending another clear message to Jason Campbell.

And that message is, you're not going to have a good 2009 season because we aren't going to give you any protection.

This pick today is just confirmation that Tryon was a bust. If we hadn't drafted Horton last year that entire draft would be a bust.

Posted by: isnadd | April 26, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

The chubby beat writer is going to have a field day bashing the FO for this one, but it's hard to argue with him on this one.

Posted by: hehateme | April 26, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

JLC must not have seen Barnes play...he's fast and physical, just ask that receiver from Cal. If we had drafted a lineman, he would've said we needed a CB for the slot and messed up the pick.

Posted by: rich20ssu | April 26, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

OL or LB would have been a bigger need, but aside from that, I like this pick. Kid looks smart (41 Wonderlic) in addition to having good size/speed combo and being a big hitter. I think our secondary and D-line are complete now. Ideally, we can pick up one or two backup OL and LB to compete for time, and call it a day.

Posted by: saltydog75 | April 26, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

jakfish, that hit was CRUCIAL. The rb puked. Watch out Barber, Westbrook, and all the receivers.

I do think we should have gone OT. I heard yesterday that Vinci might let go of their LT if they pick one and they did. Does anyone know if Levi Jones is any good? Should the skins take a look for RT?

Posted by: atari1317 | April 26, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Do they need a T? Samuels is coming off a Pro Bowl season (his fourth in a row, 6th overall), and Heyer is supposed to be the future at RT.

Oh, I know the online GMs would love to have three-deep depth at every o-linemen position (and with no dropoff in talent, lol), but that ain't the real world now is it?

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | April 26, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

there goes ramses, goddamnit. can we please trade back into the third round

Posted by: amsaul | April 26, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

c'mon folks...let's wait until the end of the draft before we crucify the FO.

Posted by: rickyroge | April 26, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

the fans are forced to live with, and rationalize the picks by a totally inept FO. effing horrible pick. i guess mike williams and lo alexander really will be on the O-line this year.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | April 26, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Beyond stupid, a tackle was a MUST here. One should have expected this however, Snyder/Cerrato get lucky in round 1 and get some praise so it was inevitbale they would screw up round 3, not to mention round 2 was let go because he wouldn't come up for VOLUNTARY workouts. Unreal!

Posted by: Iowa_Redskin | April 26, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

when they didn't address oline with the 13th pick, I was fine with it. I thought you get a starter on the oline in the 3rd round....Now this disaster.

Meanwhile, the Pats have added 4 or 5 future starters and maybe a pro bowler or two

Posted by: hehateme | April 26, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

None of the lineman at 80 would have come in here and started so I dont know why people are acting as if the skins made an al davis reach.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 26, 2009 11:16 AM
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That's the not the point. I think Barnes can be a good backup at corner for us.

The point is, our O.L. broke down in the 2nd 8 games last year because they're old, and thus injury prone.

And the only thing done to address the need was bring back Dockery.

There were people like Antoine Caldwell, Duke Robinson, and Jamon Meredith on the board. They represent quality depth, and the potential to become starters.

In any case, the Lions fans at WalterFootball are going nuts...they can't believe the Lions have done nothing to address their O.L. either.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 26, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

"So we spent 100 million on the defense that was already top 5 and instead of helping our 16 point a game offense we take a tweener that may help or may be Jason Taylor and we follow that up with a corner?"zjfr2

What is it they say? Offense wins games, defense wins...

Shouldn't overrate Washington's defense. There are real problems at linebacker, and at defensive end. They got no pass pressure last year, which ultimately cost them two wins, IMO (SF being one of them). When they did get pressure, as in that late Philly game, they won despite little offensive support.

Barnes probably was too good to pass up, provided he's healthy. He's a big-time hitter with real deep coverage speed. Macho from Virginia Tech is a terrific player but probably will end up on special teams in the pros -- he's just not good enough in coverage. The question about Barnes is the shoulder -- how good is it? He's going to have to give up some of those bone-rattling hits in the pros. Or die.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 26, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

The pick was not that bad. I think Macho Harris was more of a playmaker but not bad.

None of the lineman at 80 would have come in here and started so I dont know why people are acting as if the skins made an al davis reach.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 26, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

You couldn't be more wrong, there are upgrades at Guard and Center on available right now and we drafted somebody we're hoping can be our 3rd corner.....its idiotic once again.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 26, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

thetruth

'...not a fan of the pick at all...wasn't Macho Harris still available, too? Duke should've been the pick...'


Agreed.

A corner would've been appropiate later on, but a center/guard prospect should've been the third round pick.

But there is need for a corner. This is a passing league, after all, and if any of either Hall or Rogers go down, the pressure from Orakpo or Haynesworth won't matter if a guy is open aftr a quarterback takes three steps and throws.

Posted by: MistaMoe | April 26, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Behold Justin Tryon 2.0

Posted by: hehateme

He's actually going to be Fred Smoot 2.0.

Posted by: all_star_0013 | April 26, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Giants get Ramses Barden...if he and Nicks work out...wow

Posted by: Yoder-lay-hee-who | April 26, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

I bashed Danny The Little #$% all week but they were able to control themselves and pick a pass rusher who many had as as top 5. Of course we needed an OT or LB in the 3rd round but they knew that too and must have picked the best player available. Give Barnes a year to learn and he and last years 4th round pick can fight for the 3rd corner spot when they let Fred Smooth go next year.

11-5 babyyyyyyyyyy!!!

Posted by: BarackObama | April 26, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Let me guess, the 5th round pick will be a "big" wideout...

Posted by: hehateme | April 26, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Cinci*

Posted by: atari1317 | April 26, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Kevin Barnes hit a player so hard that he made him puke: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GIP5TpN858&feature=related

Posted by: skins1110 | April 26, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

LMAO!!! I like him

Posted by: slimbo-Rice | April 26, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

ifthe: "here were people like Antoine Caldwell, Duke Robinson, and Jamon Meredith on the board."

Wasn't Caldwell already gone?

Posted by: Samson151 | April 26, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Behold Justin Tryon 2.0

Posted by: hehateme

He's actually going to be Fred Smoot 2.0.

Posted by: all_star_0013 | April 26, 2009 11:26 AM

If he turns into Smoot then fine, but Smoot has always been very overrated.

Not to mention the team desperately needs oline and olb help.

Posted by: hehateme | April 26, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

http://warroom.sportingnews.com/nfl/draft/2009/players/8357.html

breakdown

Posted by: Gweez | April 26, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

That's only one play. Can he do on a regular basis?

Posted by: frediefritz | April 26, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

"...according to one scout: "He's a slim, fast kid. We were worrying about him being physical enough."

What dumb*** said that?! JLC, go look up the video "Kevin Barnes hit" on google videos. That will answer this "scouts" concern. Barnes hits Best so hard Best pukes on the field. It's pretty intense.

Actually, here's the link.

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=kevin+barnes&hl=en&emb=0&aq=f#q=kevin+barnes+hit&hl=en&emb=0

Posted by: chill | April 26, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

I bet we take two tight ends and a punter to finish....

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 26, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

In any case, the Lions fans at WalterFootball are going nuts...they can't believe the Lions have done nothing to address their O.L. either.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya ****

beautiful, effing beautiful(BFB.) Now the Skins and the Lions are being run in a similar fashion. I so wish some other billionaire just had to have the Skins and would buy them away from Snyder.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | April 26, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

trade up and get Duke Robinson

Posted by: jeffco01 | April 26, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

......its not all about you.
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True, but I always get caught in the moment. I'm out of it now and will commence my summer in April enjoyment.

Oh yeah, it was big fun at Redskins Field yesterday. Footballs going everywhere. Ny little one could run around whereever he waned to. Much fun.

Posted by: 4thFloor | April 26, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

if duke robinson for some reason slips into the fourth round, the skins need to desperately try and trade into the fourth rd and pick him up...hes essentially going to be a starter at the RG spot when thomas leaves

Posted by: AhsanFamily | April 26, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse


Do they need a T? Samuels is coming off a Pro Bowl season (his fourth in a row, 6th overall), and Heyer is supposed to be the future at RT.

Oh, I know the online GMs would love to have three-deep depth at every o-linemen position (and with no dropoff in talent, lol), but that ain't the real world now is it?

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | April 26, 2009 11:23 AM
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Samuels will be 32 years old in July. He suffered a season-ending triceps tear against Baltimore (and was hobbled by a knee sprain prior to that).
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 26, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

ifthethunderdontgetya

Caldwell was off the board when they picked. If they passed on him that would have been questionable. They arent going to get rid of Jansen so either he or Heyer is going to be the backup tackle. Rinehart is our backup guard. There is plenty of time to draft backup lineman. Maybe they will end up the other Dockery or take a risk on Boone. Rinehart also proved that drafting an OL in the third round doesnt mean they will be able to contribute right away. Barnes will see some time on the field next year.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 26, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

What dumb*** said that?! JLC, go look up the video "Kevin Barnes hit" on google videos. That will answer this "scouts" concern. Barnes hits Best so hard Best pukes on the field. It's pretty intense.

Actually, here's the link.

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=kevin+barnes&hl=en&emb=0&aq=f#q=kevin+barnes+hit&hl=en&emb=0

Posted by: chill

I think questioning his durability would be a better choice of word than questioning whether he is physical enough. (He also fractured his shoulder blade making a tackle last year.) Doesn't Smoot hurt his shoulder almost every year?

Posted by: all_star_0013 | April 26, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Skins should definitely consider picking from Kiper's magazine for the rest of the day

Posted by: hehateme | April 26, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

okay, I'm still not sure about spending our 3rd on that position, but I'm just feeling really indifferent about both our picks so far.

I still say I would've liked to trade next year's 2nd for two of the Patriots 3rds this year (if possible), and then draft maybe Duke, Caldwell, and then this guy at CB.

But I'll take it for now, you never know, Duke MIGHT be available in the 5th round. We aren't the only ones passing up on him. Somebody took Vasquez before him. I like Vasquez a lot, I mean a lot, but he wasn't a third round grade for a lot of people. He's huge though, almost as big as Loadholt, and the Texas Tech line last year was just ridiculously good.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 26, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Wasn't Caldwell already gone?

Posted by: Samson151 | April 26, 2009 11:29 AM
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I'm not sure, I just woke up.

Who picked Caldwell?
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 26, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

the problem with trading is the other teams know how desperate the Skins are and therefore are able to demand beyond fair value. They are screwed this year. Bite the bullet and move on. I guess the next pick will be around 4pm today..ughhh.

Posted by: lsskinsfan | April 26, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

CB from Marylannnnnd, what a homer..Vinny says, "I need draft picks!!"..Yeah, like the gambler that blew it all at the track needs money..

Posted by: frak | April 26, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Skins need a tackle, yes. But they also need a 3rd corner. Barnes is a good pick. Value pick and player that should see the field quite a bit.

Obviously Tryon and Westbrook are not big enough or good enough. This is a 6 foot, tough corner. Gotta have that.

I am not sure how they are going to fill the right tackle position, but Barnes fills a definite need. How can you call this a bust?

Posted by: Wemiss21 | April 26, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Rinehart also proved that drafting an OL in the third round doesnt mean they will be able to contribute right away. Barnes will see some time on the field next year.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 26, 2009 11:33 AM
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I'm going to disagree there. Rinehart proved that he was a small college linemen who was a reach in the 3rd round.
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 26, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

I'm so glad that there are so many professional scouts on this site

This off season and draft is about building a great defense. They must replace Springs and Smoot is almost done.

they are not convinced that they have a third corner who can compete

I love the fact that we have a real chance to dominate one side of the ball. We will challenge for the #1 defense in the NFL and that's exciting.

PS: before you toss dirt on our aging O-line keep in mind that we were very very good until Samuals got injured at mid season and that Thomas had a bad neck

I may be crazy, but I have a good feeling about this Mike Williams story. This guy has real talent and an opportunity to get his career on track with Doc's help


Posted by: snyderbandwagon | April 26, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

I would like to see Skins get Herman Johnson from LSU. I know there are concerns about weight but he will be playing guard not in space at tackle.

Posted by: richr75 | April 26, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Can the Skins fill their LB need with him:

The Seahawks withdrew the franchise designation from linebacker Leroy Hill after drafting Wake Forest's Aaron Curry with the fourth overall choice.

The move, confirmed by the team, makes Hill a free agent. The one-year, $8.3 million franchise offer no longer exists.

Hill, a third-round choice in 2005, had refused to sign the offer while attempting to negotiate a lucrative long-term deal. He skipped voluntary minicamp practices recently.

Posted by: Skins1 | April 26, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

...I wonder if they measured Tryon before they drafted him last season -- size isn't everything, they say, but really...

Particularly because they often wear a cup.

It is very interesting to see the team stocking up on defensive talent (both last year and this year) in the later rounds. You'd think that Zorn would have some guys in mind that would be a great fit for something he particularly wants to do.

Posted by: daggar | April 26, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Skins need a tackle, yes. But they also need a 3rd corner. Barnes is a good pick. Value pick and player that should see the field quite a bit.

Obviously Tryon and Westbrook are not big enough or good enough. This is a 6 foot, tough corner. Gotta have that.

I am not sure how they are going to fill the right tackle position, but Barnes fills a definite need. How can you call this a bust?

Posted by: Wemiss21

Barnes brings leadership, aggressiveness and great hands. Should be a good nickel corner. Needs to put some muscle on that frame. He is on the lean side. Durability a question. Let's hope it works out.

Posted by: all_star_0013 | April 26, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Rinehart also proved that drafting an OL in the third round doesnt mean they will be able to contribute right away.
Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer
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I'm going to disagree there. Rinehart proved that he was a small college linemen who was a reach in the 3rd round.
Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya
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Actually, you both have it wrong. Rinehart proved we have a front office and scouting system that sucks!

Seriously though, I can't see how that guy went from being such a high potential in training camp to a dud in pre-season. Bugel almost adpoted the kid, then all of a sudden it was like he was a huge draft mistake. Don't get it.

Posted by: isnadd | April 26, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

My guess is our strategy is to begin rebuilding the defense this year and the offense next year

Posted by: skinsfanfrmbirth | April 26, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

What does where he went to school have to do with anything? Regardless if he was a reach, he was a third round pick who did not play. The FO actually looked toward the future (we could potentially lose Smoot and Rogers next year) and your crying about a tackle who would not have beat out Jansen, Heyer, or maybe even Mike Williams?

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 26, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

OG Duke Robinson would have been a good pick, methinks.

Instead....

CB Kevin Barnes

It was a tough call. Make up for the blown pick at guard last year, (Rinehart) or the blown pick at cornerback last year (Tryon)

Posted by: TheCork | April 26, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Just like the Redskins to do something stupid..8-8 team will stay like that. Great first round pick, this one is bad. 50/50 draft leads to 8-8 team!!!

Posted by: wm_mulholland | April 26, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

The team has a ton of OL (I actually think it's just over a ton, but that's beside the point) under contract right now.
Anyone they pick at this point is going to be fighting with the current justaguys for a spot at the end of the bench, or on the practice squad.
We have a lot of [who knows what quality] youth on OL, and if Bugel has coached any of them up like we Up Here think he can, then it's going to be hard for a rookie to crack the lineup.

Posted by: daggar | April 26, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

My guess is our strategy is to begin rebuilding the defense this year and the offense next year

Posted by: skinsfanfrmbirth

Wow, didn't see that coming. Seriously? You think the FO has a strategy?

Posted by: TheCork | April 26, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Beyond stupid, a tackle was a MUST here. One should have expected this however, Snyder/Cerrato get lucky in round 1 and get some praise so it was inevitbale they would screw up round 3, not to mention round 2 was let go because he wouldn't come up for VOLUNTARY workouts. Unreal!

Posted by: Iowa_Redskin | April 26, 2009 11:25 AM |


Let's get this right. Jason Taylor was released because of his $8 million salary; that workout line was created as a favor to him to help him save face. What does it tell you when the guy is still unsigned and will probably end up playing for at or close to the vet minimum this season? If he was worth what he was scheduled to make this season, we would have dealt him rather than release him. When we made the deal last season it was a move made to fill an abvious need, and a move that was applauded by everyone, including our tubby beat reporter. If you remember, his only complaint was a whine session on how Vinny didn't give away the deal to the pres before it was finalized. Boo-freakin-hoo, Vinny didn't give the press info that could have screwed the deal up before it was done. Furthermore, the pick is gone when you make the trade, the decision to release him had to be made based on the future, not the past. Relax and see what happens through the rest of the draft and free agency; we still should have a few million in cap room to potentially pick up one of the June 1 cuts that happen every year.

Posted by: CPortisRun | April 26, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

I actually think we were thinner at cb than at o line

Posted by: rickyroge | April 26, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Let met end my personal negative post streak by pointing this wonderful news.

The redskins haven't traded away NEXT YEAR's top picks yet.

Posted by: TheCork | April 26, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

And Jasno's preferences aside, I think Oher sliding to #22 was a sign that there were really only three OL worth the #13 slot. When Monroe was still on the board at #7, I had a glimmer of hope...

Posted by: daggar | April 26, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

So the Jints just selected gigantic WR Ramses Barden from football factory Cal Poly San Luis Obispo. Went right about where the pundits thought he'd go. He's 6'6" and 235, so wonder who Tom Coughlin was thinking about when they made that choice?

They missed Burress horribly at the end of last season. And Nicks is probably not the replacement. Maybe Barden will be. For all his character flaws, Burress makes the whole offense better. Eli's end-zone floaters don't look so floaty when Plaxico is there to pluck them out of the air.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 26, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

all of the moves to bolster the defense tells me only one thing: jim zorn is gone after this season imo. why else completely ignore the more inept unit (outside of signing dock)? someone else will be running the offense come 2010.

Posted by: braker19cleartheline | April 26, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Let met end my personal negative post streak by pointing this wonderful news.

The redskins haven't traded away NEXT YEAR's top picks yet.

Posted by: TheCork | April 26, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

No, we typically wait till after we've screwed up this draft, then we trade away next years draft for old guys or injured guys or risky guys to fill the holes we left ourselves in the draft. James, Taylor, Kendall etc.

Posted by: zjfr2 | April 26, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

If we draft OT or even just OL in general and a LB I might go out on a limb and call this draft a success. We didn't trade away our future. We got a stud at DE that fell to us. We got a solid kid at CB that apparently enjoys to hit. Remember, we got Dockery back to help with the OL and that other guy who was a former first rounder (yes, he hasn't played in years, but the upside is huge compared to the risk). I'm just happy we didn't screw this weekend up.

Posted by: sidkid31 | April 26, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Hey they tried to trade back but were unsuccessful. This kid has a huge upside! The only things keeping him from being a late first round to early second, were that he needs to bulk up and he was injured for half of his last season. But he got injured because he plays physical, hard hitting ball. With all finesse corners on our team this guy easily fits the Springs role in nickel coverage and in a year or two could be pressing to be out number two corner.

Posted by: rpetersen | April 26, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Hey, it's Cork, the Perez Hilton of football bloggers.

I think you should get a webcam and shout, "Dan Snyder is a dumb beeyotch."

Your career will take off like a big ole bird.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | April 26, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Our defense this next year is going to give us a lot of short fields to play with our offense.

Posted by: rpetersen | April 26, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Thank you rickyroge - we are thinner at corner than OL. It's a good pick.

Posted by: BabbMTfan | April 26, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

I'm troubled by this pick.

I have nothing against the player, mind you.
However there is more pressing needs on the O-line.

There are some very good offensive line out there.
The skins needed a road-grader, but came home with a traffic cone.

So why pick a CB ?

Posted by: dashriprock | April 26, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

in isolation Barnes seems like a player and taken about where he was projected...

but i cant shake the fact that the offense is being ignored.

and i love the "mike williams" might be a player" crowd. i am not saying it was a bad signing but counting on him is folly...

Posted by: chrislarry | April 26, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

"And Jasno's preferences aside, I think Oher sliding to #22 was a sign that there were really only three OL worth the #13 slot. When Monroe was still on the board at #7, I had a glimmer of hope...Posted by: daggar"

Oher's a risky pick. All that ability. My guess is he'll end up at LT once he learns to pass-block a little better. He's not a natural plowhorse like Fat Andre.

There were questions about all those top tackles in this draft, including Jason Smith. THey're all quality, and there are a lot of them, but which ones will become All-Pros? Maybe not as many as last year.

Long turned out well in Miami, did exactly what Parcells wanted, but Ryan Clady at Denver looks like the star at this early point. Otah is great as long as you don't ask him to handle speed rushers too often, and Carolina won't. Chris Williams at Chicago basically missed the season, and Sam Baker at Atlanta had injuries, too. Gosder Cherilus you feel sorry for, stuck in that Detroit morass.

Who went to the best situation this year? Probably Monroe. That's a running team.

Posted by: Samson151 | April 26, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

What does where he went to school have to do with anything? Regardless if he was a reach, he was a third round pick who did not play. The FO actually looked toward the future (we could potentially lose Smoot and Rogers next year) and your crying about a tackle who would not have beat out Jansen, Heyer, or maybe even Mike Williams?

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 26, 2009 11:47 AM
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You're not serious, are you?

1) Small college players are playing against other small college players. Are you trying to say there's a difference between starring at Northern Iowa and starring at Oklahoma?

2) Our five starters on the offensive line were all over 30 years old last year. Why should anyone think that this year will be more injury free than last, when they're all going to be a year older?

3) F you.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | April 26, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

He definitely will make a good nickel back in passing situations..OK, we're fixed on the defense basically, now can we please address the 10 ton elephant in the living room: the AGING O-LINE..or maybe emperor danny secretly likes watching his quarterbacks slaughtered in the stadia..

Posted by: frak | April 26, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

I like Cork and Perez Hilton...fail to see the insult. Mr Skin21....well it takes all kinds...

Posted by: chrislarry | April 26, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

This was a very nice pick-up with value. NFLScouts.com had him as the 59th best player in the draft, the 7th best CB and a 2nd round pick. This kid will make the team and deserve it, and unless he can play special teams better than he showed last year, Tryon is gone gone gone. This kid can cover and hit. He will put on weight and then probably switch to safety a few years down the line if he doesn't turn out to be an NFL corner. Though it would have been nice to get a top OL, anyone who could have helped right away was gone. I am sure we will pick up a few later and in FA as things shake out, and we do have Dockery, Rhinehart, Heyer, and even Williams, plus Kendall still is out there that we could bring back. I like the pick.

Posted by: dbrine1261 | April 26, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

I definitely consider myself someone who wanted to see the skins pick up an offensive lineman. We all know the offense fell apart last season and we ended up 19th overall in offense (I wonder what our overall offense ranking would be for the 2nd half of the season).

That being said, we did pick up Hickory Dickory Dockery and Mike Williams. I guess the Skins are happy with them. They are both in the prime of their careers, although Williams has spent some time on injured reserve.

Barnes looks great on paper and on tape. He delivers punishing tackles, fast enough to keep up with average speed receivers. He sounds like he is the caliber of cornerback that could excel against possession receivers, especially with his height.

This draft shows the team's confidence in Zorn's ability to develop the offense. I bet he wants to keep more or less the same offense so he can continue to cultivate. With some free agent veterans like Dockery and Williams, potential breakouts from Thomas, Davis and Kelly, I guess they are happy with what it can do.

And everyone knows defense wins ball games.

Posted by: rolotamassy | April 26, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

while im still dumb founded we continue to ignore the oline...i like barnes...maybe im just a homer but i really liked watching that kid play last year and was really bummed when he got injured...

was at that cal game when he crushed that dude...that dude was part 1 of a 2 part backfield that was the toast of the ncaa at that point of the season and he knocked #1 senseless...though he did come back in the game a bit later...he was completely ineffective...kid plays physical for only being 187lbs...hope his body holds up...

Posted by: deadskin | April 26, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

enough with Williams already...he will help like erasmus james helped our d-line....

Posted by: chrislarry | April 26, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

So aside form Chris Horton, the last draft was a complete wash, Rienhart cant help on OL and Tryon cant help at CB.

Posted by: gatsu | April 26, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

I say draft A. Q. Shipley from Penn State in the 5th. He's a strong guard center and could really add value depth to our oline.

Posted by: duncanrobee | April 26, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

gatsu...one year does not a draft class make, although the trend after 1 season is less than positive.

Posted by: chrislarry | April 26, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

"

Just like the Redskins to do something stupid..8-8 team will stay like that. Great first round pick, this one is bad. 50/50 draft leads to 8-8 team!!!

Posted by: wm_mulhollan"


wow, so you think choosing an unproven corner who no one knows how will work out over an unproven guard who no one knows will work out will be the deciding factor for our season?


Jeeze, come on, don't be so overdramatic. Not one player in the draft is a lock to be any good at all, and not one player in the draft is a lock to bust. You HAVE to wait and see.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 26, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: AhsanFamily | April 26, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

I think they want JC to fail so they will have an excuse to go after one of the top QBs in the draft next year. There is no excuse for getting Haynesworth and THEN using the top two picks to strengthen our D while ignoring, with the exception of Dockery, the O, which everyone and their mother knows is where the help was most needed. As many have mentioned, there was quality RT material out there, not to mention a RB or two who would could have provided a true Sproles like presence on O. And, if they had to go D, why not one of the remaining quality OLB's? I REALLY don't get it.

Posted by: kenboy1 | April 26, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

ESPN:

16. (80) Washington Redskins
The pick: Kevin Barnes, CB, Maryland
What he brings: Barnes possesses adequate size and is smooth in his hips, which allows him to change directions quickly. The one thing we are really impressed with is Barnes' ability to track and play the ball. However, Barnes needs to improve his physicality in run support.

How he fits: We really like this pick because Barnes is a player who would likely have gone higher had he not had a significant shoulder injury early in his senior season. He will provide nice depth and give Washington one of the deeper defensive backends in the NFC.

Posted by: Skins1 | April 26, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

At least they are not stubbornly sticking to the notion that Tryon can be a player, I guess. I think any OL selected from this point on is unlikely to be an upgrade to Heyer, considering he is already experienced in the NFL and with the offense.

Posted by: amcg | April 26, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

I think DC just traded all the rest of this years picks for a long snapper; thus addressing the O line issue once and for all.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/baseball/bal-ricigcartoons-pg,0,6298773.photogallery

Posted by: Realness1 | April 26, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

F me? Why are you getting mad? Talent comes from everywhere. Kurt Warner went to Northern Iowa, so he sucks too. It appears that nobody else thought Duke Robinson was third round worthy either. No need to get personal, if your wrong you are wrong.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | April 26, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

You know how many OL were taken in the 3rd round after Washington picked? None. I guess maybe every other team in the league didn't agree with taking what is left of OL in that spot either. I know some ofthem probably didn't need one, but if the best players left on the board were OL, at least one would have been taken. lets see how many go in the fourth round. I bet Dallas would have loved to have gotten Barnes instead of the guy they just drafted.

Posted by: dbrine1261 | April 26, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Tryon can become our Punt Returner.

Posted by: Skins1 | April 26, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

This is a great value pick. Snoot and Tryon are awful.

Posted by: djorl | April 26, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

From the NYT:
"A torn labrum in the shoulder of Andrew Gardner, a 6-foot-7 offensive tackle from Georgia Tech, should no longer be a particular issue. And the meniscus problem in the knee of Cincinnati’s Mike Mickens has not kept him from being a promising defensive back.

But analysis published in the April issue of The American Journal of Sports Medicine indicates that these players and dozens more may be riskier draft picks than most realize. The study, co-written by medical personnel from two N.F.L. teams, found that certain injury histories among players at certain positions — however healed — probably hamper their ability to play in the N.F.L. ...

The doctors asserted that the relationships were strong enough for teams to consider them when making draft picks."

McIntosh - 2007; Kelly - 2008; Barnes - 2009.

Posted by: AntonChigurh | April 26, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

OT Meredith's stock seems to be falling like a stone. Yes, Washington needs to think about Offensive Tackle in this draft, but there don't appear to be many teams that think there's good value at that position in the mid-3rd round. I suspect the Skins will add OT depth (and an OLB prospect or two) in later rounds. I'm ok with that, because I think there may even be some decent FA possibilities at tackle after the draft ends.

Meanwhile, I didn't expect to see Washington take Barnes with this pick, but I like it. He's the guy who hit Cal's Heisman hopeful Jahvid Best so hard that Best spewed gatorade all over the field on national TV, and later said it was the hardest hit he'd received in his life. If Barnes hadn't hurt his shoulder, he would have been long gone by the 3rd round. Washington had depth issues at CB last season, and Springs is gone... I like the value of Barnes here.

Posted by: gophercrow | April 26, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

BURP BURP


new post up people

Posted by: TheTruth11 | April 26, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Good choice. They need definitely need a good cornerback.

BUT IT looks like this is all about defense ... and last year's defense finished 4th. The only part of this draft that was about the offense was the owner's crusade to replace the QB by trading the franchise first to try to get Cutler, and then Sanchez.

The choice may be good but the owner is still, as he put it, a "stupid fan" who would fire a coach who was 7-6 in the midst of a fight for the playoffs. He hasn't changed, he hasn't learned.

Posted by: lerici | April 26, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad they didn't pick a middle of the road tackle. We already have that in Heyer. We'll just have to wait until next year's 1st round pick to fill that void.

Posted by: wisdom80 | April 26, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

We're thin in more than one area. CB was one of them.

The FO would say they took their highest ranked player at a position of need at that spot.

Might have felt more comfortable if they took OL there, but then again the Eagles did get Jermy Maclin, and can now field Westbrook, the RB they picked up, Desean Jackson, and Maclin at the same time.

If we go into a game against Philly (let alone NY or Dallas) and Carlos or Hall are dinged up or out, we need to be able to get creative in our coverage and this Maryland CB we picked up should help in that regard.

Posted by: BrooklynSkins | April 26, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Smoot has been overrated...I think he's a solid corner, no more...no less.

With all thin hub-bub about Rogers being traded, and Campbell and Sanchez...I think we are impriving our football team. If they pick up a center, guard or tackle, I'd say we are doing well.

Posted by: rickyroge | April 26, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

The Giants and Cowboys have both drafted offensive tackles. The Giants now have 2 starting wide receivers to replace Buress in Nicks and Barden. Barden will start in NY. Philly has their running back and another receiver.

The Eagles and Giants have tons of draft picks left to go.

Posted by: lerici | April 26, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Dallas has 3 in the fourth, 3 in the fifth.
Philadelphia has 6 fifth round picks.

Posted by: lerici | April 26, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Danny is currently in negotiations with Kimbo Slice to play OT.........

Posted by: BingCreole | April 26, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

After all the years of trading up to get a single targeted player. It is very refreshing to see the skins exhibit patience and it is going to be even better in 2010 when we have all of our picks.

As for the picks this year and the focus on the D. Maybe we are turning the page. I believe 3 or 4 of the Top 5 defenses made the playoffs last year while 0 of the Top 5 offences did. In any case at least we are not mortgaging our future.

Posted by: krichardson7777 | April 26, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

busted?

Posted by: Posse81_83_84 | April 26, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Zorn looked poorly rehearsed in that interview with Trey Wingo.....I guess we pick at 13 again next year. That was sad...........

Posted by: BingCreole | April 26, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

I love the fact that we have a real chance to dominate one side of the ball. We will challenge for the #1 defense in the NFL and that's exciting.

PS: before you toss dirt on our aging O-line keep in mind that we were very very good until Samuals got injured at mid season and that Thomas had a bad neck

I may be crazy, but I have a good feeling about this Mike Williams story. This guy has real talent and an opportunity to get his career on track with Doc's help

Posted by: snyderbandwagon | April 26, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Our D was #4 last year, but to step up in ranking we need to score on D, like Pgh and balmor do. That is one reason why DHall was important pckup for us. He and LL need to play real big this year.

On Williams, he was really good, but will his back hold up for him? That is the big concern. Will he work out for us, or be another Erasmus? Time will tell.

Posted by: frediefritz | April 26, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Why is everybody forgetting that we drafted like 5 O- linemen last yr, that have played last yr..we just got 2 solid people in free agengy and we have heyer back..the O-line is straight

Posted by: v8364 | April 26, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Anyone criticizing this pick doesnt know diddly about football. First of all Tryon isn't proven, second how did our division rivals draft? Didnt the Eagles take Maclin? And the Giants: Ramses Bardin and Hakeem Nicks? Three receivers 6 ft or better. How tall is Tryon? How durable is Smoot? Please don't bump your gums about front office decisions. These are among the best talent scouts in the league. The Skins always have enough talent to compete, they may not always get the pick right but they put us in position to compete.

Posted by: Pylon6 | April 26, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

I totally agree with pylon. I don't always agree with the front office decisions but they seem to always find those diamonds in the rough. We desperately needed another corner like Barnes because he has great durability and they guy can leap. I competed against him in the state track meet in high school and the guy can flat out fly. Also tryon is compared to fred smoot (which isn't good) and he consistently gets beaten off the line. I think barnes takes Fred (injury prone) Smoots job or his reps by week 9

Posted by: Tom_square | April 26, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

To all you sheep crying about OL-- Heyer will take the right tackle spot and play just fine like he did when Jansen broke his ankle. They needed a slot corner and tryon will never make it through camp.. so let it be done.. also whoever said last years draft was a complete wash except for horton is a complete idiot. Plenty, plenty of all time great players had a weak if not horrible rookie season. the problem is fans see one rookie having a career year and automatically every rookie on our team is a wash, granted they were very disappointing but I think with the exception of tryon and rheinhart. they will show up this year. Actually Kareem Moore played some pretty good football down the stretch last year

Posted by: skinztattoo89 | April 26, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

We're not set on the o-line. Yes, we have warm bodies, but this is about quality, not quantity. Jansen plays matador with speed rushers. Heyer plays too high and has trouble exerting himself against bigger defensive linemen. Thomas has a bad neck and he is one injury away from being done as a football player. Rabach gets pushed around by big nose tackles. Dock is a good addition, and Samuels is good when he is healthy, but we haven't seen him healthy too much recently. As for depth, we have Rhinehard who can't pass block, and we just signed Mike Williams who has been largely considered a draft bust and hasn't played in an NFL game in two years. Does this sound like the o-line is okay?

I'll grant you that we can hope for Thomas and Samuels to stay healthy. We can be hopeful that there are not too many established 3-4 defenses on the Skins schedule, so Rabach should be okay. We can be hopeful that Heyer continues to develop and learns how to keep his butt down. We can even hope that last year was a fluke in Jansen's career caused by myriad injuries and he will return with a career year.

But, as they say, "Hope is not a plan." The Redskins had a chance to improve their offensive line depth in this draft, and quality depth on the offensive line would have surely helped the Redskins late last season. Maybe they will still snag some quality players, but it's strange that a team that was better on defense last year than offense runs out and drafts defense with their first two picks.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 26, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Dear knuckleheads,

In the 3rd round of the NFL draft you do not draft for need. It is imperative at that point that you draft the best player available. Very successful teams have been using that strategy for decades because it works. Drafting for need in the mid to late rounds is for teams that want to stay mediocre. I'm not saying Barnes will work out but if he was the best player on their board then they did the right thing.

Posted by: croftonpost | April 26, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

This pick has "boom or bust" written all over it.I say he's out of the league in three years or pro bowl caliber cb.I think maybe they would have taken macho if they could have traded down.He's a fellow richmonder that would have been cool.

Posted by: mark65 | April 26, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

croftonpost,
Agree, but most teams would have 7 picks in the draft and not five. Missing that one in the second round really hurt. I think it should force them to think more about need in the lower rounds than taking the best player available. Those holes aren't going to patch themselves. I don't agree with Mr. Canfora's assessment of Smoot so I cannot follow with the reasoning about drafting a DB. I know Tryon hasn't really panned out, but they have guys like Westbrook that are also in the mix. It seems to me that they should have looked harder at the o-linemen that were available in the third round.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | April 26, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

I saw that hit live at Byrd Stadium! I love it when we get Terps.

Posted by: piyusharora | April 26, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

the trend we are beginning to see is with Danny/Vinny is that they dont put enough wieght on the injuries a # of the players they select have experienced. As a result, we have seen numerous examples of players breaking down early in their careers or not fullfilling expecations early enough in their careers. This again is an example of Vinny/Danny having no clue and further degrading the quality of the personnel. Please Danny get rid of Vinny and hire a real GM who can really tutor you the right way. Danny has the money to hire the best GM out there...why does he settle for one of the absolute worst in the league? I just dont understand how such an exceptional business man can settle for Vinny, the essence of mediocrity or worse.

I do hope this kid from UMD works out...the risk seems high based on the previous injury. But that is the position you put yourself in when you throw away 2nd and 3rd round picks in previuous years. I despise Vinny. He is a dope.

Posted by: oddjob1 | April 26, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

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