Network News

X My Profile
View More Activity
On Twitter: RedskinsInsider and PostSports  |  Facebook  |  E-mail alerts: Redskins and Sports  |  RSS

Smith Speaks

From Jason Reid: So my man J La broke the news that Tennessee Titans assistant head coach-offense Sherman Smith has accepted the Washington Redskins' offensive coordinator position. As part of my contribution on our tag-team report, I just got off the phone with Smith.
But before I get into what Smith had to say, let me first thank the super people at Comcast for permitting me to leave the set of "Washington Post Live" when Smith gave me a ring on my BlackBerry. There was an empty chair for the final few minutes of the show, though it's doubtful I was missed.
And now back to Smith, who I'm still speaking with as I type while sitting here in the Green Room. Earlier today, Smith told the Titans he would reject the Redskins' offer. But new Washington Coach Jim Zorn persuaded Smith, his former teammate and close friend, to reconsider and Smith took the job.
"I'm just very excited about the great opportunity to work with my man Z-man [Zorn], the great opportunity to be a part of that great organization there in Washington and having an opportunity to develop more as a coach and an offense coordinator there," said Smith, who agreed to a three-year deal. "The more I thought about it, joining Jim and the Redskins was the right thing for me."
After telling Tennessee Coach Jeff Fisher he planned to remain on the Titans coaching staff, which he joined in 1995, Smith called Zorn, who told Smith to take more time before making his decision. Smith told Fisher he needed to speak with his family again and then decided he needed to join the Redskins.
"That's definitely how it went," Smith said. "I had more peace about staying. The reason I did is because that didn't affect my family. If I stayed, we didn't have to move. My daughter would be happy, my son would be happy and my wife, she wouldn't have to do all that moving stuff, so it was easy to feel better about staying than about leaving. But leaving was the best thing to do. I'm in."

By Emilio Garcia-Ruiz  |  February 15, 2008; 6:35 PM ET
 
Save & Share:  Send E-mail   Facebook   Twitter   Digg   Yahoo Buzz   Del.icio.us   StumbleUpon   Technorati   Google Buzz   Previous: Sherman Smith Takes The Job With The Skins
Next: Albright Re-Signs

Comments

The Z Man staff is together now. Let's see what they can do.

Posted by: jm220 | February 15, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Welcome to the machine.

Posted by: novus_0 | February 15, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

PROCESS!!!

Posted by: novus_0 | February 15, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

So um how was this guy as a player?

Posted by: alex35332 | February 15, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: alex35332 | February 15, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

here is Zorn's stats from the gaming days
http://www.nfl.com/players/shermansmith/profile?id=SMI714560

Posted by: alex35332 | February 15, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Dude, doesnt exactly come across as a "go getter" does he? Seems a little more interested in comfort level and routine. Even coming here, he already knows that he won't call plays. Hmmmmm. Unimpressive! The anti-Saunders....

Posted by: castro123 | February 15, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Sherman Smith, welcome to the machine!

YEAH BABY!

Posted by: podspeak | February 15, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

castro123

Welcome to the dark side.

Everything the last month has not filled me with hope to say the least.

But we will see.

Posted by: mul | February 15, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

To all those Redskins fans at FedEx who tell me to sit down when the opposing team is on offense, to all the non-believers, and glass half empty nay sayers, I say the future is now.

REJOICE!

Posted by: podspeak | February 15, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

I'm so confused. One minute he's in, next minute he's staying with the Titans. I've got a headache.

Posted by: kickinblonde | February 15, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

good thing we're not getting someone who had trouble making up their mind about coming here

Posted by: david | February 15, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

I've got a headache.

Posted by: kickinblonde | February 15, 2008 07:06 PM

Headache's okay today. Yesterday was Valentine's Day and headache wouldn't work then.

I wonder if 4th Floor's conjecture was right -- that it was about getting a little more money in the pay envelope, to pay for the kids' private schools, extra car for the wife, etc.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 15, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

alex, I don't really know Jasno that well. I was really happy to meet him in person in Seattle after getting to know him via the blog and, to some extent, email.

I am definitely *not* trying to be a name dropper or imply I am buddy-buddy with these dudes, though I realize I've mentioned a few things from that fun Seattle evening the past few days. I never did write down my thoughts from that evening, as I had planned, so these things have sort of come up in bits and pieces.

Anyway...

WELCOME to Sherman Smith! I hope these dudes turn out to be an awesome O coaching team.

HAIL!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 15, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

mul, just stay in touch with your inner Zorn... everything will be OK!

Zoooorn....Zoooorn....Zoooorn.

Much better.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 15, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Running Backs Coach at Tennesee or Offensive Coordinator for the Redskins...
Let me Think about that...
No thanks...
Yes please...
Is this where we've come to?
Lyndell White and Chris Brown over CP, LB and the boys.

Posted by: ssh1549 | February 15, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to personally thank Mr. Snyder for exercising due diligence is assembling this coaching staff, for not yielding to the negative public sentiment and the desire to rush to judgment, for standing tall amid the chorus of vicious ad hominem attacks, impetuous calls for boycotts, and other silliness.

Thank you, Mr. Snyder, and Godspeed to you, Mr. Zorn and Company, in the trying days and months that lie ahead.

Posted by: podspeak | February 15, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Nate you were trying to figure out who Zorn looks like. I think he has a lot of Nick Saban, with a dash of Danny Ainge...
Club 320

Posted by: csquaredskins | February 15, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

The problem doesn't reside in the events and circumstances that Smith considered to make his decision. The real issue comes from our local beat writer reporting something prematurely.

Posted by: drbatchelor | February 15, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Nate in the PDX,

If you would like to join my healing circle, let me know, as I inhabit the PDX.

Posted by: podspeak | February 15, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Oh stop it Nate. You know that you are hoping for Smith to run across the field yelling panties. lol

Posted by: jm220 | February 15, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Good call, Club 320. That's not quite it, but doggone close. I'll figure it out eventually and announce who I think his lookalike is, maybe after he hoists the Lombardi for the Skins, therefore making it a double championship.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 15, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

podspeak, you are a fellow Portlander? Cool.

I am working on a PDX offseason meet-up (think Stumped, Stumptown Chris, Redskin Willie, dchandlr), maybe in the next couple of weeks.

If you'd be interested in meeting up for a suitably serious bull session with us, drop me a line at nateinthepdx at gmail dot com.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 15, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

jm220, you are correct, I would love that :)

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 15, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Nate,

Sweet, man. You are the rock star of this board. That would be cool to meet up with some fellow Redskin fans. I'll drop you an email.

Posted by: podspeak | February 15, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Nate,

Sweet, man. You are the rock star of this board....

Posted by: podspeak | February 15, 2008 07:30 PM

Not just the rock star, pod... he's the zorn star! here!

Posted by: Alan4 | February 15, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Staff in place, alright!

Now let's get back to the business of trading away all our draft picks for under-performing free agents.

It's Back...the the Future!

He's Back...the Man behind the Mask!

Mr. Cleanhouse!

Posted by: hithere1 | February 15, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Wow....Just Wow...


Snyder must have pushed a whole 'nother stack of $$ to get him to come here.

Just like he did with Zorn and Blache. When will Snyder learn that $$ dosen't cure all!

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 15, 2008 06:00 PM

So Umm are you saying we should see if they will come here and work for free? Of course he gonna pay them good money to come year...DUH! So what wrong with paying a guy well to add incentive?

I think some of you are just going way overboard with this whole bash the owner thing. I don't agree with everything he does either but get over it for crying out loud...This debate is so freaking old...Shut up already...we get it...you and some others hate the owner...fine move on and stop your crying.

Posted by: leevi98 | February 15, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

castro123

Welcome to the dark side.

Everything the last month has not filled me with hope to say the least.

But we will see.

Posted by: mul | February 15, 2008 06:56 PM

Whats some cheese and crackers?

Posted by: leevi98 | February 15, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

I'm sensing an upwelling of positive flow here, and I like it! This is zorntastic, above zordinary, all evidence of a higher power.

REJOICE!

Posted by: podspeak | February 15, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

I'm sensing an upwelling of positive flow here, and I like it! This is zorntastic, above zordinary, all evidence of a higher power.

REJOICE!

Posted by: podspeak | February 15, 2008 07:46 PM

It's nice isn't it??...Of course there are still the same regular whiners in here that hate Dan and want to express this everytime one word is written bout any news.

Posted by: leevi98 | February 15, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Smith goes to Washington. Welcome to D.C my friend...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Y4k670L1w8

Posted by: Barno1 | February 15, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

the dude cant make up him mind at all... im terrified this translates to the side lines.
4th and 2... well ive been coaching for this many years so my heart says punt, but gosh, its a wonderful oppertunity so let me take some time here to go thru the process, and then we can move forward with the play...
How about between downs...i can almost picture the circle on the side lines holding hands, having a prayer session to seek supreme guidance from above?
Is it just me thats concerned?

Posted by: rich | February 15, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

I think some of you are just going way overboard with this whole bash the owner thing. I don't agree with everything he does either but get over it for crying out loud...This debate is so freaking old...Shut up already...we get it...you and some others hate the owner...fine move on and stop your crying.

Posted by: leevi98 | February 15, 2008 07:45 PM

Here, here! The front office damn sure ain't the greatest, but enough is enough.

PS. have you guys posted your front office positions on the wiki?

http://redskinsinsiders.wetpaint.com/page/The+Front+Office%3A++Yes%2C+No%2C+Maybe+So

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 15, 2008 8:01 PM | Report abuse

You know, leevi98, you're a pot head, but I won't hold that against you. I used to be a pot head too, but it got to the point I was smoking so much weed, I couldn't even feel the buzz anymore. Nothing worked, gravity bong included. I even tried a weed enema, no results. It's a shame because of live in the land of the kind bud, what a waste, right?

It's cool, though, because I find I'm able to converse with the ladies better when I'm not all cotton mouth and bleary eyed, trying to take a sip of my beverage with the cap still on, or lighting a cigarette from the wrong end.

As far as all the nay sayers on this board, crow will be eaten soon enough!

REJOICE!

Posted by: podspeak | February 15, 2008 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Our first false start and the season hasn't even begun yet!

Posted by: abrockway | February 15, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

dr batch: JReid mostly reported on this story, we going to start baselessly bashing him too?

Podspeak, your energy wigs me out, did you just read "The Secret" but hey I hope your right.

Leevi Jean Jacket- Ever consider your as boring and predictable with you counter-bashing? 4th is not a regular hater and pretty well rounded and sensible...why don't you take your own advice and chill out a bit...your one hyper shrill pot head dude...

Posted by: chrislarry | February 15, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Podspeak, your energy wigs me out, did you just read "The Secret" but hey I hope your right.

LMGO!

Nice cL.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | February 15, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Curious about the mindset of all the positive people up here (because, frankly, I see little to be positive about)...

Are you being positive because...

1. You support Dan Snyder and Vinny Cerrato no matter what they do because they are football people and we fans are not?

2. You're sending brainwaves and chakras and so forth in the right frequency in the right direction?

3. You're expressing your faith in the 'Skins braintrust based on past performance and results?

4. You somehow have inside information attesting to the genius that is Jim Zorn?

5. You've decided that being FOR something is better than being AGAINST something?

I have personally spoken with 3 current and former NFL players and one former NFL GM in the past week, and they (all knowing that I am a die-hard 'Skins fan) have volunteered to me how completely F'ed up Dan Snyder and the 'Skins organization are and how ludicrous the Jim Zorn hire was. Seriously, folks, we're talking about a guy who deserved a shot at the OC job. He really did. But to say that he somehow (after thirty days of searching) was the guy they felt was most appropriate to lead the franchise???

Come on!!!! Do Dan and Vinny think everyone is a bunch of idiots?

So...I'm really curious where the feelings that the future is positive and going to work out come from.

As I've said before, I'm a fan until the end. I will never stop rooting for the maroon and black, though at some point my fervor will wane and the idea of wearing a "Curly R" hat or 'Skins jersey or 'Skins sweatshirt will be akin to wearing the colors and logo of the Detroit Lions.

Posted by: PDiddy | February 15, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Amen PDiddy, although Ill stay true i hear ya brotha...scary aint it?

Posted by: rich | February 15, 2008 8:41 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to personally thank Mr. Snyder for exercising due diligence is assembling this coaching staff, for not yielding to the negative public sentiment and the desire to rush to judgment, for standing tall amid the chorus of vicious ad hominem attacks, impetuous calls for boycotts, and other silliness.

Thank you, Mr. Snyder, and Godspeed to you, Mr. Zorn and Company, in the trying days and months that lie ahead.

Posted by: podspeak | February 15, 2008 07:14 PM

Seriously, are you trying to give the autofelliater a run for his money? The "Vinny" part of VinnyDAN is taken friend.

The thorough process in which you seem to revel was not a brave stand on the part of a man of conviction, so much as the wildly imprecise meanderings of a man desperate to show he is the smartest little boy in his 4th grade class because otherwise he is just the kid getting picked on all the time.

At the beginning of this thing I posted about our chances, knowing that anyone with options would spurn us because VinnyDAN still wants to play GM. Our best chance was that someone competent would be desperate. I had my hopes on Ron Meeks, but Zorn fits the bill. Now if we catch lightening in a bottle, if he is better qualified than his resume, if he steps up, we are good. If he crashes and burns, it won't be VinnyDAN's fault, it will be Blaches or Bugels, the guys "fans" wanted them to keep.

I wish Zorn luck too, and I am actually optimistic about him. I think anyone who thinks the pressure will get to him does not realize how bad the Seahawks OLine was in 1976 - So we wait, and hope that the market forces VinnyDAN to hold on to his draft picks and signing bonuses, and we build a team that can win.

But please don't THANK VinnyDAN for an insulting, churlish and childish process that made us the laughing stock of the NFL.

Posted by: RedBee | February 15, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

With you Pdiddy

Posted by: RedBee | February 15, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

PDiddy - notwithstanding my last post, cause Thanking VinnyDAN was more than I could take, but your fifth point, 5. You've decided that being FOR something is better than being AGAINST something? is kind of how I feel.

Zorn deserves our support and the benefit of the doubt. He will need it.

My family has been going to see the Skins since 1937, I went to three of five superbowls (for the record I was 2-1) still remember the magic I felt seeing the field at RFK for the first time. I hate FexEx and can't explain to anyone why I continue to go, except it is in my blood.

So I will hope that Zorn can step up, that we won't kill him for early mistakes and flubs every rookie coach has, that we remember that Saint Joe went 0-5 and separate him from VinnyDAN, until he proves to us he does not deserve that benefit.

So yeah, it is a little of, I am so tired of being negative that I want to root for Zorn, even against reasonable doubts. And really, what choice do we have?

Posted by: RedBee | February 15, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Peeps are just kicking down the door to work for the maroon and black, aint they? I sure hope the Z Man can stand the heat.

Posted by: pulldownclaw | February 15, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Just speaking the facts. Sorry if they offended you, as usual. There was certainly no bashing "involved", though I am fully aware that you are sensitive to items regarding your beloved beat writer.

Posted by: drbatchelor | February 15, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

RedBee, the way I look at it is simple: it's a football team. It means nothing in the grand scheme of things, and if some rich guy wants to purport to be all about the fan, but in reality does everything to milk them of every last dollar and at the same time fail to deliver an entertaining product, well more power to him. When I get his net worth, I'll buy the team and run him out of town. Until then, I'll root for the uniform because it reminds me of the halcyon days of my childhood.

It's not like a president who purports to be of an ideology, gain the voters' trust, then turn around and be the exact opposite, get people killed in the process, and ruin a nation's reputation for a generation.

There are better things to feign righteous indignation over than a professional football team.

That said, I am quickly growing to be less "annoyed" with Dan Snyder, and more to the point where I utterly despise the man.

Posted by: PDiddy | February 15, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

diddy--

I'm positive because Gibbs and Saunders are gone. Their offense and their playcalling were, well, offensive. I see Zorn as an improvement over those two.

I see Vinny as having a better shot at picking personnel than Williams, Gibbs, and Saunders. Duckett, Archuletta, and Lloyd have set the 'Skins back, and I don't think those picks were on Vinny.

I see Williams as a loss, but think Blache can step up. He has a good record.

Finally, I think there's more upside with Zorn than with the other candidates for the job, except Spagnuolo. If you look at the four new head coaches in the NFL, none of them is particularly well qualified. But none of them is re-cycled. This was not a good year to be picking a new head coach, but this was the year that Gibbs bailed on the Redskins without notice.

I may turn out to be entirely wrong, but I'm optimistic.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 15, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

PiDiddy

I'm positive because The Skins have in the playoffs 2 of the past 3 years. I haven't researched this but I think that's better than most. They have a promising young QB. A talented D. Good RB's. Solid teams. They need to improve depth on both lines and at WR but in all they aren't that bad off.

Posted by: mdvj | February 15, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

drbatch, can you please explain to me what facts your speaking on since you have not even correctly identified which beat writer was reporting the story prematurely.

Posted by: chrislarry | February 15, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

t_e, as you know, I'll still be here through the week cheering the team on, and I'll still be here on Sundays to watch the team play.

I just think this owner has shown his true stripes through this process.

I do get your point about this being a lousy year to hire head coaches. No one did a particularly spectacular job, in my mind. Though I know enough about football to not doubt Bill Parcells.

Posted by: PDiddy | February 15, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

CL:

Reid was very accurate in his reporting on the blog during JLac's absence. It was the article in the paper this morning, written by your beloved beat writer, that set the tone and perception that it was a done deal. Do I need to go back and find your post where you so eloquently shot down discussion that was taking place regarding Smith's decision, by claiming that today's Post article claimed it to be a done deal?

Posted by: drbatchelor | February 15, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

I know in this country we are so polarized "for/against" but ya know it is possible to be not exactly mondo jovial with VinnyDanny and still love the team, and HOPE they do well but also take a critical eye towards their moves and if that positions them for the best chance for success...

I know crazy talk....

Posted by: chrislarry | February 15, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Ah, and with that, I do believe it's time to begin a boozy 3-day weekend.

Good night all, see you in 3 days.

Hooray for Presidents!

Posted by: PDiddy | February 15, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

seems he's been showing those stripes all along... i think these moves are exactly what was expected by the majority of those looking in.
I too will cheer and not be ashamed (living in Dallas) to wear my colors and hope for the best.
Mdvj...CP's time has passed for the most part in my opinion... lets work with Betts and Mason

Posted by: rich | February 15, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

DRB,

People were asking for a stories about Smith, I merely gave the link that had some info. By the way here is the byline. Notice the plural:

"Smith Set To Join Redskins
Titans Assistant to Be Offensive Coordinator

By Jason Reid and Jason La Canfora

Posted by: chrislarry | February 15, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

I am fully aware that they are both a part of the article. And you will find that I did not mention any names at all in my post. If you feel better about throwing Reid in there by name, I am fine with that. My comment was only that the problem had nothing to do with the events and circumstances involved in Smith's decision making. The problem came as a result of the Post reporting that it was a done deal prematurely.

Posted by: drbatchelor | February 15, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

but whateves Dr B, we can just agree to hold our own world views and move on.....

Not to be a sap, but used to be a time up here we could good naturedly argue about football, try to crack each other up, vent about what at times is a frustrating team, and be kept pretty well deep into the loop of what was going on at the park, and yeah maybe be a bit grateful to WaPo, Janso, Cindy are whoever else helped give this avenue for whateves it is we do...

Posted by: chrislarry | February 15, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Rich

I see CP differently. He does a lot for this team besides carry the rock. He's one of their leaders and I think he's their best all around back. I'm curious how Mason will fit in the WCO. I'd like to see the Skins draft a "3rd down" back.

Posted by: mdvj | February 15, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

CL....you will find that none of my posts "bash" anyone when you go back and read them. Now, if you go into them with a preconceived idea of what you believe my motives to be, they may be taken for far more than they are.

There is no doubt that I think JLaC goes out of his way to relentlessly press people to say a negative word about the FO so he can play it up to his audience and stir up a revolt. However, I have never said that it is not his right to do so. I understand the dynamics of a blog vs. official reporting. I just warned that he may lose his "insider" benefits and become The "Redskin Outsider" in a hurry if he continues this route. Just an opinion of mine, not a bash.

And I am by no means an unconditional supporter of this front office.

Posted by: drbatchelor | February 15, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

alright we can agree to have a different read

Posted by: chrislarry | February 15, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Z-man is on a mission from God to get the band (the 1980 Seahawks) back together.

Good luck. You'll need to put up points or Danny will be done with you

Posted by: skinsfan1234 | February 15, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

These coach-lite dudes -- how long before they STOP talking to the local media? Don't seem very savvy about such things.

"That's definitely how it went," Smith said. "I had more peace about staying.... But leaving was the best thing to do. I'm in."

If there is a succession order on football teams, I don't want this guy a heartbeat away from being HC.

Posted by: Xlnt | February 15, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Bottom line is that it is good that Zorn got his guy. Now he has no excuses and can get to work. The O better score at least 24 a game and we better make the playoffs or else good-bye.

Posted by: boot1 | February 15, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

the only way to make sense of this is to quote johnny cochran from south park:

" Cochran
Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, Chef's attorney would certainly want you to believe that his client wrote "Stinky Britches" ten years ago. And they make a good case. Hell, I almost felt pity myself! But, ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, I have one final thing I want you to consider. Ladies and gentlemen, this is Chewbacca. Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk. But Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now think about it; that does not make sense!
Gerald Broflovski
Damn it!
Chef
What?
Gerald
He's using the Chewbacca Defense!
Cochran
Why would a Wookiee, an eight-foot tall Wookiee, want to live on Endor, with a bunch of two-foot tall Ewoks? That does not make sense! But more important, you have to ask yourself: What does this have to do with this case? Nothing. Ladies and gentlemen, it has nothing to do with this case! It does not make sense! Look at me. I'm a lawyer defending a major record company, and I'm talkin' about Chewbacca! Does that make sense? Ladies and gentlemen, I am not making any sense! None of this makes sense! And so you have to remember, when you're in that jury room deliberatin' and conjugatin' the Emancipation Proclamation, [approaches and softens] does it make sense? No! Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, it does not make sense! If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit! The defense rests.

"If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit!"

None of the skins moves the last few weeks make sense, we must acquit and wish that we have a good season. this is nuts!!!!

Gollum cerrato has us doomed, dan "huckleberry" snyder as ruined us-

Posted by: stivic | February 15, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Synder's concubine Cerrato is a damn genius! We now have a head coach and an offensive coordinator with no experience managing an offense or calling plays! This bodes well for the skins - NOT!

Posted by: skinsfan7 | February 15, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

The proverbial broken record plays on. Yet, the dance floor is full.

Posted by: drbatchelor | February 15, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

i hear ya mdvj... i know hes got a bigger role than just running the ball...but i think he's really been hit and miss most of this year and a good chunk of last. I want to see him more consistant maybe.. i also know alot of its on the o-line but i still think hes ost that elite status

Posted by: rich | February 15, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Nate and Podspeak... Native Washingtonian (DC variety) here, but I was living in Portland a couple of years ago, too. Now I'm in Northern California. We have a small contingent of Redskin fans here in Chico, California, too.

I thought Sherman Smith sounds very down to earth. I trust Zorn to know that Smith can do what he needs him to do. I think it's great that he's a family man and devoted to the organization he was with for so long. He'll bring those values here, too.

Posted by: olavsmith | February 15, 2008 10:46 PM | Report abuse

It's that time of year again...

Clinton Portis ain't perfect, but I think he's still the best running back on this team, he is a 100% on every single play type of dude, not to mention he's got freakin' personality and serious weirdo cred. I do not want him to go anywhere.

And while we're at it...

Shawn Springs is the best cornerback on this team, even at his advanced age, he's the dean of the secondary, and he is all class. I do not want him to go anywhere.

Just to get my thoughts (since they matter so much) on these two lightning rods on the record.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 15, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

my thoughts are always on my lightning rod

Posted by: chrislarry | February 15, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Right on, olav!

You and your fellow Chico cohort planning to hit the Skins at Niners game this fall? I know some of the Pac NW dudes have already started thinking about that, in addition to the game at Seattle.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 15, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Good work cL.

Oh, what I meant to say, "same as it ever was." Meaning CP has been our best RB and SS our best corner since they got here, no matter how much crap has been flung at each of them. Love both those dudes.

Yeah, yeah, I can hear Old School now, admonishing me not to get too emotionally invested in them, since they are doomed to be replaced by younger/faster/better/cheaper dudes. But I love them and am proud they are Redskins.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 15, 2008 10:53 PM | Report abuse

yes best on this team agreed Nate...

Posted by: rich | February 15, 2008 10:53 PM | Report abuse

this is who we need to cut:

cooley
portis
samuels
kendell
sellers
moss
carter
landry
rocky mac
golston
montgomery
campbell
smoot

Posted by: chrislarry | February 15, 2008 10:58 PM | Report abuse

when you say "cut", do you mean "F"?

Posted by: daggar | February 15, 2008 11:00 PM | Report abuse

you forgot Randle El and Rabach

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 15, 2008 11:01 PM | Report abuse

if you will...

oh yeah cut/f these players too:

rabach
thomas
washington
springs
suisham
albright

Posted by: chrislarry | February 15, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

And London Fletcher-Baker. He sucks.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 15, 2008 11:04 PM | Report abuse

and heyer & alexander

Posted by: rich | February 15, 2008 11:04 PM | Report abuse

and.....the Funky Four

Posted by: drbatchelor | February 15, 2008 11:05 PM | Report abuse

i cant wait until someone reams me out as an idiot.....

Posted by: chrislarry | February 15, 2008 11:06 PM | Report abuse

i cant wait until someone reams me out as an idiot.....

Posted by: chrislarry | February 15, 2008 11:06 PM

idiot

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 15, 2008 11:07 PM | Report abuse

and that stupid live band, can that retro sh*t already

Posted by: chrislarry | February 15, 2008 11:07 PM | Report abuse

thanks, on second thought don't ream me....

Posted by: chrislarry | February 15, 2008 11:08 PM | Report abuse

thanks, on second thought don't ream me....

Posted by: chrislarry | February 15, 2008 11:08 PM

sorry, i didn't mean to hurt your feelings. that was uncalled for.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 15, 2008 11:09 PM | Report abuse

no i meant please don't "ream me"....

Posted by: chrislarry | February 15, 2008 11:10 PM | Report abuse

Certainly willing to give the new staff the benefit of the doubt, but the stat line is underwhelming at best.

Tennessee actually had a lower overall rated offense than the Saunders-led Skins last year, scoring about 18 pts a game, the Skins about 20.

Tennessee also had massive discipline problems in their backfield, which also appeared in games as they were one of the most penalized teams in the league.

Realizing that Jason Campbell may have the advantage over a very raw Vince Young with "seeing" the field - albeit slight, Young is a much higher caliber of athlete. Tradeoff there.

Hoping Zorn brings the majority of the input to the offensive system as Seattle averaged about 24 points a game, which if spread out evenly over the course of a season should lead to a few more wins if the Skins defense remains stout under Blache. The only downside with Zorn's stats are that a large portion of them were gathered playing in the weakest division in professional football. NFC East is a way different beast than the NFC West.

What I place the most hope in is the way I remember Zorn playing when Seattle first came into the league. He was one scrappy player. If he can translate that heart and fire to the entire team, we'll be good to go.

I'm in Z-man's corner.

Posted by: winmc | February 15, 2008 11:10 PM | Report abuse

no i meant please don't "ream me"....

Posted by: chrislarry | February 15, 2008 11:10 PM

No worries there

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 15, 2008 11:12 PM | Report abuse

phew!

one thing I am anti is the "Z-Man" nickname.....can I bash that?


Posted by: chrislarry | February 15, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Nate you were trying to figure out who Zorn looks like.

Posted by: csquaredskins | February 15, 2008 07:16 PM

A little like Johnny U.

Posted by: skinfanman | February 16, 2008 12:01 AM | Report abuse

I thought Sherman Smith sounds very down to earth. ...I think it's great that he's a family man and devoted to the organization he was with for so long. He'll bring those values here, too.

Posted by: olavsmith | February 15, 2008 10:46 PM

He said staying in Nashville would be the best thing for his wife and kids, then said screw it I'm going to Washington.

Posted by: skinfanman | February 16, 2008 12:05 AM | Report abuse

I thought Sherman Smith sounds very down to earth. ...I think it's great that he's a family man and devoted to the organization he was with for so long. He'll bring those values here, too.

Posted by: olavsmith | February 15, 2008 10:46 PM

He said staying in Nashville would be the best thing for his wife and kids, then said screw it I'm going to Washington.

Posted by: skinfanman | February 16, 2008 12:05 AM | Report abuse

I thought Sherman Smith sounds very down to earth. ...I think it's great that he's a family man and devoted to the organization he was with for so long. He'll bring those values here, too.

Posted by: olavsmith | February 15, 2008 10:46 PM

He said staying in Nashville would be the best thing for his wife and kids, then said screw it I'm going to Washington.

Posted by: skinfanman | February 16, 2008 12:05 AM | Report abuse

Anybody got a good link to some nice Zorn sites? I'm gonna be surfing for Zorn this evening... I don't care if it takes me all night!!!

Posted by: Alan4 | February 16, 2008 12:10 AM | Report abuse

one thing I am anti is the "Z-Man" nickname.....can I bash that?


Posted by: chrislarry | February 15, 2008 11:14 PM

Please. Bash away. Makes him sound like the frat guy who wears sunglasses indoors.

Posted by: mack1 | February 16, 2008 12:11 AM | Report abuse

Jay-Z is taken.

Jimmy Z: "don't quit, don't even quit." Nah.

JiZ is probably out.

I've made the "Kneel Before Zod" non-joke so many times I almost think the coach's name is Zod.

But as someone else said (yesterday?) with a name like Zorn, who needs a nickname? It's pretty awesome.

Zorn.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 16, 2008 12:25 AM | Report abuse

Curious about the mindset of all the positive people up here (because, frankly, I see little to be positive about)...
...

Posted by: PDiddy | February 15, 2008 08:36 PM

If you accept that this team is a dysfunctional organization led by a seemingly impulsive billionaire, it all becomes a lot easier to deal with.

Dan Snyder is a fairly young man, and so is his raquetball buddy Vinny. They're probably going to be around awhile. They're incompetent, yes, but as someone upthread pointed out at least they aren't running our country into the ground (someone else who will remain unnamed is already failing spectacularly that way).

As they say, even a broken clock is right twice a day. Despite all evidence to the contrary, maybe Zorn will do what no other coach was been able to accomplish between Gibbs 1.0 and Gibbs 2.0--fashion a consistent, winning team in burgundy and gold.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 16, 2008 12:30 AM | Report abuse

2. You're sending brainwaves and chakras and so forth in the right frequency in the right direction?

5. You've decided that being FOR something is better than being AGAINST something?


I'm somewhere between these two. It was so crushing when Joe left so suddenly, after the grueling, incredible six weeks or so from Sean's death through the wild card game. And then we had this awful month of the coaching search. It was all so exhausting that I just can't summon up any strong emotion about the news of the past week.

So now I just want to look ahead. And looking ahead for me means trying to balance Hope with Pragmatism. And in general I just try to lean towards the positive side, because there is so much doggone negativity in this big old world. Can't hurt to be positive, can it?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 16, 2008 12:37 AM | Report abuse

Good grief, that was awfully Obvious of me, wasn't it?

Ahem.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 16, 2008 12:39 AM | Report abuse

I am happy because Vinny has signed his own death sentence buy getting Zorn. We could go 8-8 for years but 3-13 is not going to cut it.

Dan has reacted to fan pressure before, getting Marty. Every soul in the NFL knows what is going down. So when Dan has to get a new GM that GM will only come in if he has power. If he does well Dan 'can't fire him' problem solved. But we must keep up the pressure. I wish they went to the 3-4 that would insure a bad season this year.

Posted by: mul | February 16, 2008 12:39 AM | Report abuse

Also I like Zorn, he reminds me of my pot head cousin.

Posted by: mul | February 16, 2008 12:43 AM | Report abuse

Bottom line: Positive energy is what this franchise needs. Come on, people, lively up yourself.

Zorn is a genuine dude, and by all accounts, will be able to relate well with the players. I think the boys are gonna play hard for coach. Zorn is also bringing a West Coast ethos that will be much appreciated. People play better loose. Zorn is loose. Everybody needs to chill out. It's been way too dramatic lately.

Portis is a freak. Love the guy, although I think he's a downsloper, near the end of his rope. Campbell is an open question. This young man needs to step up. No more excuses, put away the white gloves. MAN UP!

We need a pass rush, period. See the New York Giants.

Mr. Snyder has been vilified, perhaps deservedly so, but enough is enough. In the grand scheme of things, his heart is in the right place, in his wallet. Playoffs means profits. Super Bowl means money, and recognition. Trust me, Mr. Snyder wants it so bad he can taste it. If for no other reason than to be able to rub in in Jerry Jones' face at those owner meetings.

Mr. Snyder has money, now he's out to get respect from his peers and the fans.

Yeah, buddy! We are on the way back up, no question.

Posted by: podspeak | February 16, 2008 12:48 AM | Report abuse

Think of all the inside jokes we skins fans will have. Thorough dude, Process, Zoooooorn, Maroon and black. If we are not going to win we might as well be the most F up organization on the planet. We pay 3 million for the HC job and no one but a stoner from Seattle would take the job.

I have never seen such a 180 in the off season.

Posted by: mul | February 16, 2008 12:53 AM | Report abuse

Why I'm not a Dan-hater:
1) I get enough crapola in my day job; the skins are pure entertainment, and anything that would inhibit or limit that enjoyment -- much like the price of the movie ticket -- goes in one ear and out the other.
2) Snyder is like gravity. Gravity is doing some unspeakably horrible things to my body, but there it is. You want me to sign the "fire the owner" petition? Feh.
3) Last year was pretty good for the front office. They generally made reasonable, understandable choices that even turned out well enough. Still don't understand the QB they drafted, but overall, not bad.

So I chuckle at the posts that are funny, ignore the ones that are strident, get my daily dose of jibba jabba, and throw in the occasional Monty Python joke. It ain't much, but it's a life.

Posted by: daggar | February 16, 2008 1:00 AM | Report abuse

Slumber Parties, and racket ball. How would you seat the team on the F plain. Butt too low on the snap. St. Olaf college.


Film brake down the the D man and Z man.

Q. How can Jason improve on this play.

A. Not getting his knee dislocated I guess.

Redcoat could do a "few of may favorite things song with this crap"


Its only been 4 weeks man.

Posted by: mul | February 16, 2008 1:02 AM | Report abuse

Was it just me, or did you all not feel that energy when Todd Collins stepped up and was moving the chains (bears, vikings, cowboys)with those short, crisp throws.

I felt that rush of excitement, that Redskins pride I remember feeling watching Art Monk come up big in the clutch with those sideline grabs, Gary Clark running around like a whirling dervish, Riggins breaking tackles, heading for the sticks.

Dan Snyder was watching those same games we were, ya all! He was the same age as I was, sitting there in his Redskins underoos two feet from the T.V. So what if he still wears those same underpants?

Jason Campbell's fumbling, bumbling ways, his too slow reads, and his painstakingly long delivery put the entire team in a finky funk, joinky jerk, from which they finally emerged, just in the nick of time, and by a stroke of luck, but too late, none the less.

Good to see, however, and much needed, in that it rekindled that Redskins pride that had been dormant for too long.

Zorn is EXACTLY what we need.

Posted by: podspeak | February 16, 2008 1:04 AM | Report abuse

mul,

No disrespect, fella, but you are a real stick in the mud, too much harsh in my mellow.

What's the problem, and have you made much progress with the Redskins boycott you've been advocating? How's that going?

Posted by: podspeak | February 16, 2008 1:18 AM | Report abuse

For all those worried about the lack of play calling experience, let's remind ourselves that no team had more experience than Gibbs and Saunders yet the O was always playing up hill. I haven't forgotten that for most of the Seattle game I was rejoicing if the Skins gained 2-3 yards. On the flip side, after the Skins punted the 'Hawks would come in and gain 7-8 yards with half the effort. Continuity w/ the Skins is way over rated. These new team on O will be just as good and hopefully better

Posted by: RedskinsReverend | February 16, 2008 2:55 AM | Report abuse

Z Staff! Z Staff!

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | February 16, 2008 3:09 AM | Report abuse

Reverend,

I couldn't agree more. The points you make about the uphill nature of the Gibbs /Saunders offensive regime are salient.

I expect a smoother flow from Zorn. The only question is, can Jason Campbell execute, or do we have a situation where Todd Collins will be leading the first team?

Posted by: podspeak | February 16, 2008 3:13 AM | Report abuse

As requested by gregmarino88 -

Phillip Merling, DE, Clemson

2007: Started all thirteen games at left defensive end, earning the team's Rock Solid Award, given to the most consistent and dependable player at each position... Ranked fifth on the team with a career-high 78 tackles (51 solos), as he totaled seven sacks for minus 50 yards, 17 stops for losses of 80 yards and 21 quarterback pressures... Caused two fumbles and recovered another, as he deflected one pass while participating in 588 plays...Registered eleven third-down stops, including eight vs. the run and added three more of fourth-down activity...Stopped opposing ball carriers for no gains on five rushing attempts and in 51 running plays he was involved in, he held his opponent to minus 8 yards on the ground...Also added one tackle on special teams. 12 GP; 12 GS; 46 TT, 10 TFL, 3 SK, 4 PBU, 20 QBH, 1 FF in '06. 12 GP; 0 GS; 22 TT, 4 TFL, 2 SK, 2 PBU, 4 QBH, 1 FF in '05. Played tight end and defensive end at Fork Union Military Academy in 2004...had 38 catches for 647 yards and five scores; added five sacks, 51 tackles, and eight pass breakups...team MVP at Fork Union.

Merling led the Tigers in tackles for loss (17) and in sacks (seven). In addition to his ability to pressure the passer, he also was involved in some pass coverages for Clemson. He could sneak into the NFL Draft's first round.

Clemson junior defensive end Phillip Merling has decided to enter the National Football League draft. The native of St. Matthews, SC led Clemson in tackles for loss with 17 and quarterback sacks with seven in 2007, helping the Tigers to a top 10 national ranking in scoring defense and total defense. Merling had 78 tackles this season to rank fourth on the team, first among defensive linemen. He was named ACC Defensive Lineman of the Week three times, more than any other ACC player. It marked the first time since 2001 that a Clemson player was named ACC Player of the Week three times.

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | February 16, 2008 3:23 AM | Report abuse

Tracy Porter, CB, Indiana
5'11, 185; 4.38 in the 40

2007: Started every game, ranking second in the league and tied for 18th in the nation with six interceptions for 137 yards in returns...Made a career-high 83 tackles (63 solos) with a 9-yard sack and 5.5 stops for losses of 18 yards...Recovered two fumbles, returning one 76 yards for a touchdown...Deflected four passes and ranked tied for third in the Big Ten with 254 yards on 23 punt returns (11.0 avg)...The secondary ranked 81st in the nation in pass defense, allowing 243.69 yards per game, as the opposition caught 53 of 91 passes (58.24%) targeted into Porter's territory, good for 679 yards (12.81-yard average per completion/7.46-yard average per attempt) and five touchdowns...Was also charged with nine penalties and turned the ball over once on a fumble...Recorded 22 third-down stops and one more on fourth down while adding six tackles on special teams. 12 GP; 12 GS; PR 12-223-18.6-1 KR 1-27-27-0; 59 TT, 4 INT, 8 PBU, 1 FF, 1 BLK in '06. 11 GP; 11 GS; 48 TT, 3 INT, 6 PBU, 1 FF in '05. 7 GP; 7 GS; 22 TT, 3 INT, 6 PBU in '04.

CB Tracy Porter gets hurt slightly by his size (5-foot-11), but he still managed to finish second in the Big Ten with six interceptions. He also averaged more than 11 yards per punt return (third in the Big Ten), and has one return for a touchdown in his career.

01/26/08 - Senior Bowl Game Review - the only question with Porter is his physicality in coming up in run support. Porter is a terrific natural athlete and transfers these skills well as a cover corner. Good, secure open field tackles against both receivers and running backs Saturday proved that he could be relied upon in this area, significantly boosting his stock with scouts.

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | February 16, 2008 3:33 AM | Report abuse

Jordy Nelson, WR, Kansas State
6'03, 215; 4.57 in the 40

As a speedy, 6-foot-3 target with great hands, Nelson could be a first-day selection. He can help an NFL team in a variety of spots, including on special teams, after beginning his college career as a defensive back.

the wideout who opened the most eyes with his performance in Mobile was Kansas State Jordy Nelson. Nelson went from former walk-on to an All-American as a senior, finishing second in the nation in both receptions (122) and receiving yards (1,606). Many scouts attributed this sudden rise in success to the Wildcats' passing game, but Nelson's reliable route-running, hands, and size still has scouts buzzing.

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | February 16, 2008 3:37 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | February 16, 2008 3:40 AM | Report abuse

Cricket,

Steve Slaton, RB, West Virginia.

All purpose back with explosive open field speed and crazy cut back ability, good, soft hands.

I know we need a big wideout, but I sure would like to add this horse to the Redskins stable. Could be a dangerous return guy as well.

Posted by: podspeak | February 16, 2008 3:42 AM | Report abuse

According to Vinny in the Friday interview, the Redskins will not have picks in the either the 4th (Duckett) or 5th (Kendall) rounds. Not sure how he arrived at that conclusion, unless the final trade parameters were different than originally advertised.

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | February 16, 2008 3:44 AM | Report abuse

With the 21st pick, perhaps the Redskins should be looking for a difference making defensive end?

Calais Campbell, DE Miami? Overrated?

Posted by: podspeak | February 16, 2008 3:45 AM | Report abuse

Hey Cricket,

Vinny is right about the loss of those later picks. The Kendall deal I can live with, but T.J Duckett, that hurts. Ouch.

If I'm playing G.M, I'm all about looking at trade options to garner a couple more draft picks. The Skins are too old at a number of key positions. We need to make some sacrifices and bring in a credible youth movement.

Who on our current roster can we trade for draft picks?

Posted by: podspeak | February 16, 2008 3:50 AM | Report abuse

Due to the change to having no pick in the 5th round, there will be no chance of getting G Donald Thomas, unless the Redskins want to trade for a pick or select Thomas in the 3rd Round. Both of those options seem unlikely. Instead,
the selections are now as follows:

1st Round: Phillip Merling, DE, Clemson

2nd Round: Tracy Porter, CB, Indiana

3rd Round: Jordy Nelson, WR, Kansas State

4th Round: Traded to Denver

5th Round: Traded to N.Y. Jets

6th Round: Letroy Guion, DT, Florida State; 6'04, 295; 5.18 in the 40

7th Round: Shawn Murphy, OG, Utah State; 6'04, 305; 5.06 in the 40

It might still be possible to obtain Demetrius Bell, OT, Northwestern State, as an undrafted free agent (after the draft).

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | February 16, 2008 4:13 AM | Report abuse

Calais Campbell does seem to be overrated. Scouts are looking at him for his potential, rather than for what he has done. With his size and experience, he should have been a dominant force in 2007. Instead, he seemed to regress. He is a bit slower than the ideal rushing defensive end. He is average against the run. His tall "slender" body makes it easy for blockers to gain leverage against him. He can add considerable muscle weight, but that would tend to slow him down further. He has lots of upside potential, if he is willing to work very hard; if he gets no better, he will be a serious disappointment. With so many serious needs, the Redskins can't really afford to be wrong with the 1st round pick.

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | February 16, 2008 4:21 AM | Report abuse

Why Merling over Calais?

Merling is strong against the run and is already experienced at playing the Left DE spot. (Carter is a Right DE.) Merling's build is in a similar mold to that of Phillip Daniels, who Merling would eventually replace. Considering the emphasis on the running game in the NFC East, having a Left DE who is strong against the run is a must.

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | February 16, 2008 4:33 AM | Report abuse

Steve Slaton is a nice back and special teams threat, but can't see the Redskins drafting a running back in any slot this year. With only 5 picks and immediate (or very soon) needs at DE (Daniels), CB (Rogers/Springs), WR (Lloyd), OG (Kendall), and DT (Griffin), the existing depth at RB will have to suffice.

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | February 16, 2008 4:40 AM | Report abuse

Who on our current roster can we trade for draft picks?

Posted by: podspeak | February 16, 2008 03:50 AM

There's not much potential for getting any picks this year via trading players. The problem is that the depth at most positions isn't very good. The exception is at running back; Betts might get a 4th round pick in trade. But trading away Betts doesn't really make sense. Better to leave the RB depth alone and try other avenues.

The best possibility might be to trade away a 4th round pick in 2009 to get a 5th and a 6th pick this year. The 4th in 2009 was a possibility in the Kendall trade, so we know that Vinny doesn't hold that much value in it. (That might be a crazy view, but it looks like that is how he views it.) The only thing working against the issue of trading future picks to get current picks is most teams have plenty of cap space, so they will have plenty of space to sign a full roster of draft picks this year.

In other words, trying to get extra picks this year will be difficult, other than by trading down if oppotunities arise during the draft.

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | February 16, 2008 4:52 AM | Report abuse

Is it me or do Z-Man and Sherm seem to be perfect people to be on Joe Gibbs' staff?

Posted by: DreamOutLoud | February 16, 2008 5:59 AM | Report abuse

I think I see a new pattern here. Instead of trying to make big splashes in buying big name players (since we're perpetually at the cap space), Danny Boy has decided to just start changing the coaches until he finds the right combination! ;-)

Then if a few years down the line that doesn't work, then he'll start making wholesale changes in the FO!

Anyways, as stupid as this coaching search looks, I really hope (with fingers crossed) Copy Boy V has learned something and maybe Zoinks is/was a good choice.

All I can do is cross my fingers and hope we get into the playoffs.

Posted by: cmecyclist | February 16, 2008 6:29 AM | Report abuse

Why did Sherman Smith get a 3-year contract to be OC and Stump Mitchell only get a 2-year contract to be the Running Backs Coach? Is this some sort of institutional discrimination against Running Back Coaches by the Redskins?

More "Takes from the Bizarre" apparently...

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | February 16, 2008 7:21 AM | Report abuse

...glad this Mr. Smith won't be calling plays --- otherwise, lots of delay penalties --- not exctly the decisive personality type... Z-Man's turn...

Posted by: bobeaston | February 16, 2008 7:50 AM | Report abuse

Diddy-

Normally, when I read your posts, I agree or respectfully disagree. I am one of those fans that disagrees with many decisions that Snyder has made and when you look at wins and losses, we haven't been consistent. But I don't despise the man, nor do I call him evil names, want him "castrated" or want "a hit out on him". Personally, I think Dan and Vinny take way too much heat for things that are speculative...

1) Why are Greg Williams and Earnest Byner made out to be martyrs when they leave but in the case of Williams, be vilified during a down year?

2)When has the credit been given for finds like Chris Wilson, Kedric Golston, HB Blades, Stephon Heyer and Lorenzo Alexander. The FO has to sign them, right???

In the grand scheme of things, Snyder and Vinny will have to live and die with their decisions, but with a playoff run in 2 of the last 3 years, any intelligent fan would say this organization was moving in the right direction.

Posted by: rickyroge | February 16, 2008 7:58 AM | Report abuse

rickyroge,

I think that the only fair evaluation of the Redskins offseason moves will not come until December of 08. If the record is not improved then all of the recent moves deserve to judged in a harsh cold light. If they finish with 9 wins again then they deserve a pass. I see the season as being a struggle to have a better division record than the Cowboys and Giants, not a good omen for any new head coach.

Posted by: driley | February 16, 2008 8:11 AM | Report abuse

In terms of the draft I think that one of the considerations is the desire of the new coaching staff to look good on offense. Since these are Zorn's people filling in the critical positions except for Bugel, then he knows that his success will be strengthened with a draft weighted toward the offense. After all, the defensive coaches are more part of the "continuity" plan and will sink or swim on their own record. So, my prediction is that we will draft offensive positions with 2/3 of the first three picks. (If I was actually in charge I would draft the offensive line first. Most offensive linemen need to season for a year before they become good starters, thus the payoff will be 09, when the honeymoon period will have expired. The WCO I imagine will have different blocking needs than the Gibbs/Saunders offense and a different prototype of lineman may be needed.) Since we are picking #21 then actually guessing which player is still available will be a wasted exercise, I think that it would be more prudent to think by position first, second , third, etc.

Posted by: driley | February 16, 2008 8:30 AM | Report abuse

now that zorns team is complete i will hope for the best. the skins have become the raiders of the east coast[ call them skidders]. i for one fully expect them to have a complete coaching change next season after zorn, maybe smith was thinking the same thing and that is why he hesitated.

Posted by: rls1041 | February 16, 2008 8:57 AM | Report abuse

TheCrickets007

I like much of the players you would pick except for Porter in the 2nd. From what I saw in the Senior Bowl, he's not good in run support. Porter is more of a nickle back so i think round 2 is a little high. I see the Skins getting their OG in round 2 either Shawn Murphy from Utah State or Braden Albert from UVA.

Posted by: mdvj | February 16, 2008 9:30 AM | Report abuse

TheCrickets007, I heard Vinny's interview and he said we lose our 4th Round pick in O9 (not 08) for Kendall. We do not have a 4th rounder in 08 due to the Duckett trade.

Another thing I gathered from the Vinny interview....Rock Cartwright will not be a Redskin next season - which is really sad. Vinny said they have spoken to both Todd Collins and Rock...said they want to keep Todd....and that players like to "test free agency" - he was referring to Rock in that statement.

Posted by: Lisa_R | February 16, 2008 9:30 AM | Report abuse

All the shabingus with Mr. Smith & Z-man aside, I am lovin the Law Suit filed by a former Rams player against the Patriots, for taping their pre game walk through in the superbowl! How is that not cheating! Defensive genius indeed!

Law suit naming Bellechick, naming Craft! Tremendous. Joy at the idea of the mud-bath to come. Senators interviewing Goodel. Yes!

The sneaking taping assistant...wants immunity in exchange for testimony! They are on the run...the rats feel the ship sinking!

Get ready for a mud-bath cheaters!

Posted by: DownTownClown | February 16, 2008 9:40 AM | Report abuse


Great to have the new coaching staff set now. It might not work out in the end, but Zorn-isms are already a welcome departure from Gibbs-speak. He was refreshingly candid about the Byner departure for instance. Obviously he's just starting out and may start varnishing his comments as they get into the season, but I don't think we're going to get the mangled, highly-filtered expressions, and constant uses of "fighting their guts out, etc."

Gibbs is a legendary coach and a great human being. But Gibbs 2.0 really was marked by questionable coaching and game management problems. It wasn't just Buffalo, there were problems time and time again all four years with the clock. In fact, on balance, except for a couple of sweet runs, It was the most turbulent, bile-producing four years I've had in my forty years as a die-hard Skins fan. No ill will, he's a good man and seems pretty happy back focused on NASCAR now, but I am ready to see a new era here. Let the offseason acquisitions begin!

Posted by: chrisjohn91 | February 16, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

I've got a headache.

Posted by: kickinblonde | February 15, 2008 07:06 PM

Headache's okay today. Yesterday was Valentine's Day and headache wouldn't work then.

I wonder if 4th Floor's conjecture was right -- that it was about getting a little more money in the pay envelope, to pay for the kids' private schools, extra car for the wife, etc.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 15, 2008 07:12 PM

BINGO!

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 16, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

chrisjohn,

What did he say about Byner?

Posted by: JustMe | February 16, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Wow....Just Wow...


Snyder must have pushed a whole 'nother stack of $$ to get him to come here.

Just like he did with Zorn and Blache. When will Snyder learn that $$ dosen't cure all!

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 15, 2008 06:00 PM

So Umm are you saying we should see if they will come here and work for free? Of course he gonna pay them good money to come year...DUH! So what wrong with paying a guy well to add incentive?

I think some of you are just going way overboard with this whole bash the owner thing. I don't agree with everything he does either but get over it for crying out loud...This debate is so freaking old...Shut up already...we get it...you and some others hate the owner...fine move on and stop your crying.

Posted by: leevi98 | February 15, 2008 07:45 PM

Leevi - I am not an owner basher. The fact is that Dan Snyder maybe the only owner who when is rejected by a coach to join the team, will counter with a higher Salary with perks and keep countering until the person says yes.

He did this before Gibbs came back as well. He did this for Zorn, who initially rejected the OC offer. Blache didn't want to be DC initially as well until Snyder up'd the antee.

$$$ is the root to all evil. I didn't come up with that. Hope you understand my point??

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 16, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Leevi Jean Jacket- Ever consider your as boring and predictable with you counter-bashing? 4th is not a regular hater and pretty well rounded and sensible...why don't you take your own advice and chill out a bit...your one hyper shrill pot head dude...

Posted by: chrislarry | February 15, 2008 08:15 PM

Thanks Cl! I am pretty well rounded. As evidenced by my choice of presidential canidates:

1st, it was Biden, then it was Huckabee. Now I am waiting for Bloomberg to join the race!

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 16, 2008 10:32 AM | Report abuse

4th,

leevi is the president for the "Bong Hits for Danny" crowd. Anyone who would a. disagree that a sweeter deal brought smith here, or could b. could mischaracterize you as an insta danny basher instead of a moderate analytical type, well might not be able to read....

Posted by: chrislarry | February 16, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

$$$ is the root to all evil. I didn't come up with that.

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 16, 2008 10:26 AM

I take it, then, that you would refuse to be paid because you want to avoid evil?

Money is the root of all good: It is how we can eliminate disease and hunger. It is how we take care of our loved ones. It is how we help people less fortunate than ourselves. Etc.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 16, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Let's see. We have a coach who is going to install an offense we don't have the people to run, a running backs coach whose prize project flamed out this year over the one we had who sent four running backs to the Pro-Bowl, and an offensive coordinator who wasn't all that sure he really wanted to work here.

Perfect! What could possibly go wrong??

Posted by: JimmieBise | February 16, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Perfect! What could possibly go wrong??

Posted by: JimmieBise | February 16, 2008 10:59 AM

Al Saunders and Joe Gibbs could come back for another run at mediocrity. Now, that would be something to worry about.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 16, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

COMCAST SUCKS! Their customer service is pathetic, due in part to lack of competition. But shouldn't they feel some responsibility to their loyal customers to cut down on the wait time for customer service? A couple years ago, they did not credit my account for a $220 bill I paid in full. After being disconnected, I spent countless hours over the course of five months trying to resolve the matter. I faxed them proof from my bank. I spoke with employees who were for the most part kind, but proved to be utterly incompetent. On the rare occasion when my call was escalated to a manager, I was told the matter was resolved, but a week later I'd be disconnected again. Finally, I gave up don't have cable to this day. What a great company!

Posted by: TBDog | February 16, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

I am thrilled beyond words that the Redskins appear to be a faith focused team. I think that people with strong faith tend to be grounded and are able to make better judgements.

Posted by: Grumplestilskinn | February 15, 2008 05:16 PM

Bet the Heathens and take the points.

Posted by: corkczar | February 16, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

COMCAST SUCKS! Their customer service is pathetic, due in part to lack of competition. But shouldn't they feel some responsibility to their loyal customers to cut down on the wait time for customer service? A couple years ago, they did not credit my account for a $220 bill I paid in full. After being disconnected, I spent countless hours over the course of five months trying to resolve the matter. I faxed them proof from my bank. I spoke with employees who were for the most part kind, but proved to be utterly incompetent. On the rare occasion when my call was escalated to a manager, I was told the matter was resolved, but a week later I'd be disconnected again. Finally, I gave up don't have cable to this day. What a great company!

Posted by: TBDog | February 16, 2008 11:10 AM

I had the same problem with Dish Network- scam artists- Direct TV all the way

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 16, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

$$$ is the root to all evil. I didn't come up with that.

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 16, 2008 10:26 AM

The actual statement is: "The inordinant love of $$$ is the root of all evil." or, "Republican Greed is the Root of all evil." Or "Bo is the root of all Weevil." My Bible fell in the soup and is a little hard to read.

Personally, I think the root of most evil is Broccoli, but that's just me,.

Posted by: corkczar | February 16, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

2. You're sending brainwaves and chakras and so forth in the right frequency in the right direction?

5. You've decided that being FOR something is better than being AGAINST something?


I'm somewhere between these two. It was so crushing when Joe left so suddenly, after the grueling, incredible six weeks or so from Sean's death through the wild card game. And then we had this awful month of the coaching search. It was all so exhausting that I just can't summon up any strong emotion about the news of the past week.

So now I just want to look ahead. And looking ahead for me means trying to balance Hope with Pragmatism. And in general I just try to lean towards the positive side, because there is so much doggone negativity in this big old world. Can't hurt to be positive, can it?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | February 16, 2008 12:37 AM

Just catching up, saw a few things that I was happy to see. This is one.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 16, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Betts might get a 4th round pick in trade. But trading away Betts doesn't really make sense. Better to leave the RB depth alone and try other avenues.

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | February 16, 2008 04:52 AM

This is another.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 16, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

chrisjohn,

What did he say about Byner?

Posted by: JustMe | February 16, 2008 10:21 AM

Never saw an answer to this, anyone know?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 16, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

OK,

I put up most of Vinny's interview earlier but I will re-cap some key points.

Rocky looks OK, CR does not so good.

As Lisa said looks like Rock is out, they want Todd back (I don't see it but who knows)

Big needs DE, DT, LB.

We lost a 5th round for Kendall I don't know what year I don't know about a 4th round next year but it did not sound like it. Vinny said we got a 2 year starter for a 5th round pick. (posts above indicated different things but I don't know the facts)

FA - They did best with FA the 'coaches' knew. So if you are looking to see who they well bring in look at Bears, TN, Seattle and players who passed through there in recent years.

Now just my opinion - Look at our lost and almost lost games - Card, Buff, Giants, Seattle, GB. Except for the Dallas and Philly losses (no ST). These were lost or almost lost at the Line.

I think we need line help the most. Look at what you can get first, but trading down for a 2nd and 3rd round pick will let us get cheap players with big upside.

Also the Gibbs haters must be Dallas fans. He turned the Skins around and went 9-7 with mad injuries and murders in the hardest Div in the NFL. The first year we had nothing at all, 6-10 was good. BTW Late runs speak of good coaching.

Posted by: mul | February 16, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

I am lovin the Law Suit filed by a former Rams player against the Patriots, for taping their pre game walk through in the superbowl!

Posted by: DownTownClown | February 16, 2008 09:40 AM

This whole mess is completely bogus. If you're old enough to remember George Allen as HC of the Skins, you'll remember how paranoid he was. He was one of the first to close practices to reporters. He hired a security guard to patrol the woods around Redskins Park to keep spies away. He would never have allowed the opposition to get away with taping any practice. The Rams have no one to blame but there own counter-espionage team. This is the Big Leagues. The games are for keeps.

Posted by: skinfanman | February 16, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

If Bill gets kicked out of the league he has no one to blame but himself.

It is the big leagues and being family friendly is important for the bottom line.

I don't know why you or anyone would care about Bill if you don't care about the rules. It is not big on my list, somewhere just above dog fighting and below MSNBC being mean to Hillary.

Posted by: mul | February 16, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

2)When has the credit been given for finds like Chris Wilson, Kedric Golston, HB Blades, Stephon Heyer and Lorenzo Alexander. The FO has to sign them, right???

Posted by: rickyroge | February 16, 2008 07:58 AM

It's hard to know for sure, but it seems like the Skins FO is trusting their scouts more. They are finding more players in the later rounds who are sticking, i.e. the aforementioned Golston, Blades, Montgomery and Heyer. The fact we have good scouts it only makes sense to keep hold of our picks and let them find good players.

Posted by: skinfanman | February 16, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

I want to add to what Mul said about Vinny's call.

He said that we've had the most success in free agency where we've gotten players that our coaches have worked with on other teams. That would imply that this year we will focus on players from Seattle and, now, Tennessee.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 16, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

With the 21st pick, perhaps the Redskins should be looking for a difference making defensive end?

Calais Campbell, DE Miami? Overrated?

Posted by: podspeak | February 16, 2008 03:45 AM

Mike Mayock doesn't include him in his top five DEs. But one of the other DEs he likes might be there at 21.

Posted by: skinfanman | February 16, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

I don't know why you or anyone would care about Bill if you don't care about the rules.

Posted by: mul | February 16, 2008 12:01 PM

If the Pats get in trouble so be it. Who cares? But the rules are bad rules because they are hard to enforce and they lead to the mess we have now. If you don't want anyone to film your practice then clear the effing building. And why should there be rules against video taping signals? Why should teams even have signals? Let's go back to having the QBs calling their own plays and MLBs calling the defensive signals on the field. But if teams want to signal to their team captains on the field then intercepting those signals should be fair game. The worst thing that can happen is what's happening now - questioning whether a championship is legitimate.

Posted by: skinfanman | February 16, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

I could SWEAR I heard Vinny say (on the Redskins Radio show) that we are losing a 4th round pick in 09 (NOT 08) for Kendall.

Did I "mishear" (ala Andy Pettite)?

Posted by: Lisa_R | February 16, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Personally, I think the root of most evil is Broccoli, but that's just me,.

Posted by: corkczar | February 16, 2008 11:21 AM

VILE WEED!

Posted by: csquaredskins | February 16, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

If you don't want anyone to film your practice then clear the effing building.


I did not know the building had lots of people. I thought it was like the 'Natural' with some reporter "Jla" creeping around.

This game time stuff is a hard to enforce, but closed practices should stay closed.

Side note: What happens if Chris S goes down? We don't have a plan B at the moment, other than pray.

Posted by: mul | February 16, 2008 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Hey NateinPDX and Podspeak, I'm another Skins fan living out here in Stumptown. I read the board regulary, but don't post that often. Anyway, I'd like to get in on that off-season Skin fan get-together here in Portland, if that's cool...I'll email you.

Now, regarding the recent hirings... I was curiuos why they tabbed a coach from an obscure D-III college (Chris Meidt) to be an offensive assistant, so I googled the guy, and found some pretty interesting stuff - here is an interesting write up on offensive risk taking philosphies, in which he is quoted several times:
http://www.momentummedia.com/articles/cm/cm1210/runningnumbers.htm

For those who don't want to read the article, he takes an analytical approach to the game, calculating risk vs return on things like 4th down plays, 2 point conversions, fake punts, etc, and uses that info to support very aggesive offensive play calling. I think Zorn is planning to run a much more unpredictable offense than Joe G's "1 yard and a cloud of dust" attack, which I have to admit I'm kind of excited about!

Posted by: PDXskin | February 16, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

I have decided that the key word to describe Zorn, HC search and subsequent asst coaching moves is:

"curious"

This is a balanced word that has many interpretations and conotations. The clandestine and odd way the search went down is "curious" the unknown yet exciting possibilities of the Zorn crue make us "curious"....I am "curious" about what really went down with cowher/mora/fassel/mooch etc...I am "curious" what gibbs really thinks...."curious" about offseason and next season

you get my drift...its the perfect word to sum up both a positive outlook towards the future and a healthy sceptisism of what has/will go on in the bowels of Ashburn.....

Posted by: chrislarry | February 16, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Zorn, Zorn, Zorn, Zorn,
Zorn, Zorn, Zorn, Zorn,
Lovely Zorn, wonderful Zorn,
Lovely Zorn, wonderful Zorn!

Posted by: farstriker | February 16, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Here's a link to an article in the Warpath regarding Zorn and Campbell's ability in the WCO. Good read.

http://was.scout.com/2/728951.html

Posted by: mdvj | February 16, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

i love you guys!

oh, and i made a stamp on the RI wiki ;)

Posted by: TDawg | February 16, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

With Cincy unwilling to trade Ocho Cinco, would Danny have to ask for his flat screen TV back if he goes after this WR?
(for those of you who have forgotten, see link below)

Coles, Jets locked in contract dispute

Laveranues Coles says the Jets have "lied" to him and "strung him along" the past two seasons regarding a long-term contract. Coles wants the option to seek a deal with another club if the Jets won't talk long-term. Though he has two years remaining on his contract, which the Jets have offered to guarantee, Coles is threatening not to report for the team's offseason workout program next month. Feb. 16 - 9:11 am et
Source: Newark Star-Ledger

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A18520-2005Mar8.html

Posted by: godiva2 | February 16, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Alright, Alright. So I messed up the qoute and the cynics jumped on it.

Rephrase:

The best job is not always the one that offers the most $$$.

Also, for an organization to offer more $$$ to a canidate can be a sign of desparation on the organization's part. So maybe the guy just pulled a Zorn to get more $$$. Slick dude....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 16, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

We all seem to be curious about the nature of Jim Zorn and his Mighty Meidt Offense. The incorporation of Game Theory could make it interesting, in the way that the offense was interesting in Gibbs 1.0.

One of Zorn's big influences was his first HC with the Seahawks (1976-82), Jack Patera. Here is what Wikipedia has to say about Patera.

"Since he would not have the player talent to compete with other NFL teams possessing superior power, speed and finesse, Patera resorted to a wide-open gambling style offense that was centered around a passing game using lots of creative gadget plays. 'I had a team that could move the ball like hell, but couldn't stop anybody,' Patera said. 'So I figured that to win more ballgames we'd simply have to gamble more often. I would much rather have beaten teams on muscle and execution, but we just didn't have the talent.'"

Posted by: tafka | February 16, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

From the article (insiders only):

First Glance
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

John Keim
WarpathInsiders.com Feb 13, 2008

Here is an early look at new Redskins coach Jim Zorn:

...He's much more comfortable in a smaller setting than in a larger one right now. Had a lunch with him today with four other writers and Zorn came across better than he did in the press conference, when he appeared nervous. Talked about lots of different things, most having little to do with football. He's a big-time mountain biker who likes to bike to work twice a week or so.

...He still has a decent amount to learn. Zorn has started the evaluations of the defensive players, talking to Greg Blache for his input. What concerns me is that Zorn is going to do a lot learning on the job about delegating. I don't think he's a control freak (like Gregg Williams might have been), but I do think he'll take time to figure out what he should or shouldn't be doing.

...Zorn is genuinely nice. Of all the Redskins coaches I've covered, he'll be the most congenial. Has a knack for remembering people's names, something not all previous coaches could claim. Norv Turner was the absolute worst at that, knowing only the names of reporters he felt mattered. Spurrier didn't care all that much. Marty and Joe were better.

...Zorn will be calling the plays, regardless of who will be coming on board as the offensive coordinator. Sherman Smith is the likely candidate, or at least has been offered the job. Has to decide if he wants to leave the comforts of Tennessee.

... Sad to see Earnest Byner leave, but can't say that I blame the Redskins too much. Zorn needs to have some of his own people on staff. Needs to be able to have the full trust of his staff and this gives it to him. Stump Mitchell is his guy.

...Some players are telling friends that they're concerned about whether or not Zorn is merely a puppet of the owner and Vinny Cerrato. Can't say I blame them for wondering that, but only time will tell. For now it's hard to imagine Zorn wielding much power. But Zorn also trusts the fact that he has a good veteran team. He'll give them some leeway.

...Talked to one player who was concerned about Jason Campbell's ability to run the West Coast offense, because of its reliance on making quick decisions. Talked to many others, including Zorn and Ron Jaworski, a defensive coach in the AFC who faced Campbell this season and an offensive coordinator who runs the West Coast, and they think Campbell can run this attack. However, each also says you have to make good quick decisions. Another draft guru, Russ Lande, said Campbell was a perfect fit in this attack in college. So we'll see.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Story URL: http://was.scout.com/2/728951.html

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 16, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: tafka | February 16, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Is anyone else concerned that Smith's Titan offense cranked out almost 100 pts less than the Houston Texans and barely 5 TDs more than the Jets and Dolphin powerhouses?

Posted by: gdaley | February 19, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: F_Barno | February 19, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

The comments to this entry are closed.

 
 
RSS Feed
Subscribe to The Post

© 2010 The Washington Post Company