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I don't have much yet, but the Bears appear close, according to Howard's sources, to having their proposal ready to give to the Skins. While it is officially impossible to know how all of this will shake out, we do know that much.
On the matter of JaMarcus Russell, everyone shares the same gut feeling: the player the Skins would want is Calvin Johnson.
So it would seem that Briggs is plan A, moving up is plan B. Unless, of course, that isn't the case--you tell me! All we can do is watch this one closely.
Cindy

By Cindy Boren  |  March 30, 2007; 3:20 PM ET
 
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Finally

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | March 30, 2007 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Why did they move the draft all the way to end of April?

Did you have anything to do with this cindy? to generate more hits? comments?

Posted by: dealer | March 30, 2007 3:31 PM | Report abuse

This isn't the case...

NIMBY = Briggs

Posted by: ES | March 30, 2007 3:33 PM | Report abuse

i'll be more happy with calvin johnson acquisition than getting ANOTHER linebacker.

my pref:
jamarcus russel
calvin johnson
trade down
trade down
trade down
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briggs trade

Posted by: dealer | March 30, 2007 3:34 PM | Report abuse

They've had it at the end of April for a couple of years now. Can't have it Final Four weekend, and then there's the Masters. Now, the network needs to fan the fires with 10 days-two weeks of hype.

Posted by: Cindy | March 30, 2007 3:34 PM | Report abuse

PDSquared no you were incorrect. Otto was dreaming about "winning a safety award." Sorry, but good guess.

Posted by: Poochie | March 30, 2007 3:38 PM | Report abuse

They really need to walk away from this Briggs trade.

Posted by: jm220 | March 30, 2007 3:38 PM | Report abuse

This JaMarcus thing is typical Redskins....I swear, can they ever not be attracted to the big shiny ball? For gods sake, when are our guys gonna realize that the prettiest prom date is usually not the one with the most longevity??? Please, just let JC be, and get on to shoring up the D.....

Posted by: Andrew | March 30, 2007 3:39 PM | Report abuse

From last post in repsonse to CL -

No, not familiar, i worked out with your personal trainer and he told me he wanted to show me a move made famous by Chris Larry.

In the words of WWE Jerry Lawler;

"Oh my god, out of nowhere comes PDSquared with a chair and blindsides Chris Larry!"

Posted by: PDSquared | March 30, 2007 3:40 PM | Report abuse

cindy, really? hadn't noticed...until this year...now skins obsession has gone to the nth level since this blog. and that isn't good for other things.

thanks nate for posting the date. i was so sure it was the weekend after the FF...

Posted by: dealer | March 30, 2007 3:40 PM | Report abuse

The Bears want Rocky Mac according to reporter John Keim.

He'll go there and be a stud.

The skins FO is completely inept.

Posted by: Chris | March 30, 2007 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Cindy, you gave us the gift of a new post on your day off? You are truly the guardian angel of this blog. Thank you, dear.

dcsween, back on the 2007 schedule thing, I want the Skins OFF prime-time and under the radar. And after we went 5-11, I bet that's what the schedule holds. Plenty of Sunday 10am (Pacific) kickoffs this year!

For what it's worth, we have four games against teams with new head coaches: Cardinals (Whizzenator), Cowboys x2 (Bum's Boy) and Dolphins (Petrino).

Guessing we split with the AFC East and NFC North, which is a shabingus of a division (don't be fooled). Nah, that's not optimistic enough, we should go 5-3 in those eight games. And there is NO reason why we shouldn't beat Arizona and Tampa this season. Looky loo, I just came up with seven wins, and I haven't even talked about how we're going to clean up in the NFC East yet.

Ahem.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | March 30, 2007 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Campbell
Portis
Moss
Johnson
ARE
Cooley

Sounds like fun to me......We will then ask GW to hold teams to 45 points and try to put up 48 ourselves.

Posted by: joe in dc | March 30, 2007 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Dolphins-Petrino?

Posted by: PSF | March 30, 2007 3:44 PM | Report abuse

I actually get off early. I'm usually here to the Sun sets. Peace in Greece!

NIMBY

Posted by: ES | March 30, 2007 3:45 PM | Report abuse

'cmon Skins!!! Puhleez be patient...we dont need another big (letdown) splash for PR only---I mean, that is what these off season spending spree's really are.

What we do need is some big guys on D...linemen. Period. We dont need another W/O...we are in the NFC east and we need to run run run the ball.

Keep the pick and take one of the supposed good prospects @ #6 and let the chips fall where they may. At worst, we are then (typically) only locked into a 3-4 year, manageable contract.

Posted by: gipped1984 | March 30, 2007 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Scenarios that make the most sense are to either trade down into the middle of the first and pick up another 2nd or 3rd rounder in the process or simply to keep the 6th and get a Defensive lineman (preferably a DE)to bolster the anemic pass rush. Lance Briggs won't be too much help on his back with a fullback or guard piled on top of him. Or making tackles 5 yards down field.

Posted by: petehc | March 30, 2007 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Forget Briggs, I think Gibbs should sign Tony Stewart and his car to play weakside linebacker. Imagine his closing speed while making a highlight reel tackle!

Posted by: Redskin Jim | March 30, 2007 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Not Petrino, the other guy, what's his name...

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | March 30, 2007 3:48 PM | Report abuse

please no Briggs, please no Briggs, PLEASE NO BRIGGS!!!

Posted by: Gfunk | March 30, 2007 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Miami coach = Cam Cameron, former member of the Skins' staff. Doh!

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | March 30, 2007 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Apparently the idiots in the front office think that they defensive line can sack the quarterback. Someone needs to tell them they are watching the wrong game tape.


Anywho... I am all for either staying put or trading down.

The Briggs/Calvin Johnson stuff is ridiculous. However, if I had to pick I like the Briggs trade over trade up.

Why? We have no ammo to trade up. And if the rumor ammo is to be Randle El that's like cutting off your nose to spite your face.

At least Briggs would provide another solid defender to help that horrific defense plus they would still have a late #1st to add some depth.

Posted by: C-A-P-S | March 30, 2007 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Nate, Dolphins do have a new coach, but its Cam Cameron (former O-coordinator in the temporarily abandoned ship, San Diego).

Casey Husband at the SKins site writes:

"Now, do a little reasoning and you'll come to see that the Redskins could open versus one of the following opponents at FexExField: Philadelphia, Detroit, Buffalo or Miami.

If the opener is on the road, the Redskins will open at Philadelphia, Green Bay, Minnesota, Tampa Bay or New England."

I can't say I understand his reasoning, but other than travelling to Minny, it would be nice to host the Fins. Not just new coach. Also no dominant QB and shabingi at RB.

Posted by: dcsween | March 30, 2007 3:50 PM | Report abuse

NAte, Cam Cameron

Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | March 30, 2007 3:50 PM | Report abuse

I think the lesser of two evils is Briggs over Jamarkus Russell. Can you imagine what drafting another young QB would do to JC. I think JC is going to be a beast at QB...I'm just hoping he is still a Redskin when it happens

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | March 30, 2007 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Once with the D line being the worst in league and we are going after another LB. It tells me it's time for double G to go.

Posted by: jm220 | March 30, 2007 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Nate -- our old QB coach, Cam Cameron.

Posted by: k Squared | March 30, 2007 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Sad commentary that a move so dispised yesterday is looking better because we are conditioned to look for the least F-ed up thing to do.

Like I said yesterday, there are spies watching us, snyders spies, b/c he needs us to swallow this, so he can keep raking in the ducketts - pun intended

Posted by: PDSquared | March 30, 2007 3:52 PM | Report abuse

If the Redskins have a year like they had last year, what are the chances that Coach Joe stays around...and does that mean that the Grilliams era will begin or will they go outside the organization (Parcells?)

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | March 30, 2007 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Agreed, NO on Briggs, no no no. Please, let the Bears' offer be one we can refuse. Please.

And a thousand thousand NOs on trading up for anybody. ANybody.

If all these machinations yield multiple day one picks in this draft, AND do NOT sacrifice any future picks, AND we emerge from the draft with multiple additions to the defense, it will have been worth the bazillion comments up here. And all the heartburn, and the flagellations, and the gnashing of teeth.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | March 30, 2007 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Saunders has a better chance, grilliams likes power, snyder does not give any, Just ask coach Joe. Who is pulling the trigger on these moves. And if he says himself, then he is senile

Posted by: PDSquared | March 30, 2007 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Briggs is a BLUFF. The real goal is to go up and get Calvin Johnson.

Only way Briggs is a Skin is if they somehow work a 3-way deal, net themselves CJ and Briggs, while moving some combination of Springs, McIntosh, Lloyd.

Nothing is at it seems.

Posted by: Trust Me | March 30, 2007 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Can you imagine Parcells dealing with Snyder? That would be one to watch

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | March 30, 2007 3:56 PM | Report abuse

I say no to trading up, no to Briggs, and Hell NO to double G becoming the next head coach.

Posted by: jm220 | March 30, 2007 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Did someone say the Redskins were looking for a coach?

Posted by: Steve Spurrier | March 30, 2007 3:57 PM | Report abuse

I'm going the opposite of all the haters this year...

Redskins go 10 and 6 and get a wildcard. The defense is in the top 10 this year.

Don't count on the fact that the D-Line will be so bad...you've got Andre Carter who came on at the end of the season and a young solid player in Kedric Golston.

Posted by: sicwidit | March 30, 2007 3:58 PM | Report abuse

I also think the skins will have a MUCH better year than last.

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | March 30, 2007 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Why do people think Briggs won't help? He is a run stuffing LB, last year everone just ran to where the WLB should have been. True, paying him alot may not be smart, but we have to pay the 6th pick as well. The coaches obvoiusly only like one player for that money, CJ. Not to mention we can get a DT or DE at 31, not a big deal.

The only thing i don't like is sweeting our offer, it should be take it or leave it. Now if they want to include Rocky, we better get the 37 pick as well or at least the 62.

Posted by: Ryan | March 30, 2007 4:04 PM | Report abuse

If the Briggs deal goes thru, will the D change to 3-4?

Posted by: Throwback | March 30, 2007 4:04 PM | Report abuse

It's offical the Redskins front office are RETARDED!!!Why would we select a WR or QB when that is not a need. Our number priority should be to find someone to pressure and sack the QB. I think the other day, someone made a list of all the Redskins defensive lineman since 2000. It was a very pathetic list. We need to draft the next Julius Peppers, not the next Michael Westbrook. If the Redskins mess this up, I am offically switching my alligence to some other team. I am sick of this sh$t. As long as we continue this route of assembling a football team we will suck and never win the Super Bowl. If we do get Briggs, I will be the first member to show up to FedEx field with a paper bag over my head. How embarrasing is it these days to be a Redskins fan :(

Posted by: S.O.S | March 30, 2007 4:05 PM | Report abuse

If the Redskins mess this up, I am offically switching my alligence to some other team.

How very FRENCH of you

Posted by: Anonymous | March 30, 2007 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Can you imagine Parcells dealing with Snyder? That would be one to watch

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | March 30, 2007 03:56 PM


Can you imagine a 65 year old man beating up a dorky napolean complex jerkoff? I can and it brings a smile to my face. I'd quit watching football before switching allegiance to another team. That is crazy talk.

Posted by: cdubb | March 30, 2007 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Pretty much agreed with the lot of you, so far. NO to JaMochas, NO to No-Hobbs Johnson. NO to Brigadoon, too. YES to either keeping our spot, or trading down WITHOUT involving a player trade - the last thing we need is another cap room shabingas happening.

Posted by: FlimFlam | March 30, 2007 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Ryan - How can Briggs stuff the run when he has to fend off lead blockers and O-lineman b/c our front 4 are getting pummeled? Plus are injury-prone D-Line starters are just another year older...

Posted by: CC | March 30, 2007 4:09 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins are not all serious in getting Jamarcus Russell. It is just customary to bring in an elite player with the slight possibility he comes down to #6, then it could be like a hostage negotiation.

"Nobody move! I got JR here and I am not afraid to bench him!"

"Easy there, we'll give you the guy we picked if you give us JR."

"Ok I want your pick, a 2nd round pick and a 3rd round as well! Hurry up! Or I'll put him through Al Saunder's fundamental plays and it is hell!"

Posted by: DCdangerous | March 30, 2007 4:09 PM | Report abuse

I cant cheer for anyone else

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | March 30, 2007 4:09 PM | Report abuse

If the Briggs deal get's done, who do the Skins look at for #31? Will there be a decent D-Lineman available?

Posted by: Jeff | March 30, 2007 4:09 PM | Report abuse

The 'Skins are showing their cards way too early before the draft. They need to wait until draft day and see which unexpected future "star" that some other team behind them covets, falls into their lap and THEN make a trade. Throwing Rocky or Golston into the equation would make the trade a losing proposition. Sort of like the extra 2nd rounder squandered in the Portis trade. Or the pick tossed in for a Mark Brunell that would have been cut loose by the Jaguars anyway!

Posted by: petehc | March 30, 2007 4:10 PM | Report abuse

We'll biz-atch and moan and call them names, but switch allegiances?! WTF?

Posted by: 4-12 | March 30, 2007 4:12 PM | Report abuse

So basically no news at all, can we get Jason back please?

Posted by: Jimmy | March 30, 2007 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Let me tell you something about alligence my FRENCH friend, I bleed the burgundy and gold, but the madness has to end. The hijacking of this team has to end. I guess you can be the idiot then who buys into all of Snyder's bullsh@t. I for one, have had enough it. Is it possible to sue Snyder for malicious intent to cause emotional distress, by ruining the greatest thing that DC has ever known?

Posted by: S.O.S. | March 30, 2007 4:13 PM | Report abuse

When have you ever known anyone with any NFL teams front office to show their hand before any given draft (OK, other than Ditka's crush on Ricky Williams)? This is all just a high stakes game of poker my easily distracted friends. Briggs trade, moving up for C.Johnson, meeting with J.Russell...all bluffs & smokescreens. Our boys in the Skins FO are no dumbies. They are fully aware that our prior off season FA follies have left us with a gapping hole in this years draft (2nd-4th round sized to be exact). This all amounts to pre-draft positioning and feeling the other teams out. Nothing more. Come draft day, we will trade down with some other team looking to move up (say Denver or New England) and all this chatter will be for not.

Posted by: JonTPK126 | March 30, 2007 4:14 PM | Report abuse

I have to agree with JonTPK126

I think that Coach Joe and the crew are smart enough to start so many rumors that other teams wont know what we are going to do.

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | March 30, 2007 4:17 PM | Report abuse

I eat my own excrement.

Posted by: Lord Dan Snyder | March 30, 2007 4:17 PM | Report abuse

I have to disagree. I think they are dummies.

Posted by: Jeff | March 30, 2007 4:18 PM | Report abuse

This guy intrigues me at #31. Justin Harrell DT Tennessee. Saw him pay basically with one arm against FSU and was still getting into the backfield. Funny thing too is we'd probably be able to draft a guard there that could start for us for the next 10 years like Grubbs. But they need to take DL at 6, 31 or wherever the hell the brain trust ends up picking.

Posted by: cdubb | March 30, 2007 4:18 PM | Report abuse

we should draft Landry. Trade down to 8 if possible.

Why would the Redskins want Briggs. Its a huge waste of money. Someone needs to explain that when everyone said the Redskins need to trade down it didn't mean to get some disgruntled Bear.

Posted by: Nathan | March 30, 2007 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Can someone tell me why the Redskins would trade with a team that has shown an astute ability to handle player personnel decisions? They may be cheap, but its tough to argue that the Chicago brass (Jerry Angelo & Co.) and coaching stafff don't know how to evaluate and maximize talent. The same certainly cannot be said for our front office. Rocky McIntosh in the mix? What does that say about our defensive staff and our front office?

The way I see it is that if the 'Skins want to trade they best look at the likes of Detroit, Arizona, Cleveland or Oakland if they even want a 50-50 shot of coming out ahead in the end.

Posted by: CT Skinz | March 30, 2007 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Switching allegiances happens all the time. Just look what happened up the road once Baltimore got a team. Every single Colts fan became a Ravens fan. Same thing happend in New York when they got the Jets. Tons of Giants fans turned into Jets fans. What about when Jacksonville got a team, they all probably stoped rooting for the Bucs. The point is this, which I think many Redskins fans just do not want to come to grips with. This is not the same franchise we grew up with. They may call themselves the Redskins, and wear the same uniforms, but that is about it. All of the glory and tradition is gone and lost forever. I have lost all hope in this team. Seriously, does anyone really think the Redskins are going to be any good this upcoming season. Bringing back Gibbs was the wrong choice period. You know who should be coaching the Skins rigth now? Russ Grimm. He would be perfect.

Posted by: S.O.S. | March 30, 2007 4:21 PM | Report abuse

If we do this deal and include Rocky, then everything that Banks, King, Pasquarelli, dr. z, everything they wrote/write about us is true. This team is run by morons if they include Rocky. We essentially will have traded 2 second round picks for NOTHING. Stupid, stupid, stupid move.
If ANYTHING, walk away, then sign Briggs next year.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | March 30, 2007 4:21 PM | Report abuse

They have to look like dummies to the other teams, right?

Take just this latest example, where Drew Rosenhaus uses us as a patsy to create this fantasy deal for Briggs out of thin air, blatant manipulation which should have embarrassed US as much as it embarrassed the Bears. Instead our front office runs with it like a pack of giddy schoolgirls.

"Stupid like a fox," that's how I like to describe the incumbent president of these United States of A. The thing about acting stupid is that though it may help you get away with stuff, it sure as hell makes you look stupid. The phrase fits our front office as well.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | March 30, 2007 4:23 PM | Report abuse

cdubb, it is not out of the realm of possibility that the Skins' brain trust would draft a defensive lineman with one arm.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | March 30, 2007 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone know if the Def leappard drummer can play football?

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | March 30, 2007 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Not to be a jerk, but anyone who just starts rooting for a different team is a loser and not a true sports fan. If you have lost all hope or are thinking about jumping ship why even come here to this blog?

Posted by: cdubb | March 30, 2007 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Come on S.O.S.- You can't tell us that 3 years ago when you heard THE HEAD COACH was coming back, you didn't pitch a stiff tent at the thought....

Posted by: 4-12 | March 30, 2007 4:26 PM | Report abuse

I blush at the kind words, Nate. Posting a new string, even with what little news there is and on my day off, is the least I can do for you guys. You're super-smart and you're blogging your guts out!

Posted by: Cindy | March 30, 2007 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Nate in the PDX - LMAO!!

Posted by: Jeff | March 30, 2007 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Jeff, the problem is finding either a 1 Technique DT (Nose Tackle) that commands a double team or an up-field pass rushing DE with sufficient strength to play the off tackle run. Alan Branch or maybe Amobi Okoye could fit the first description, Jamaal Anderson looks like the best DE candidate. That's assuming the 'Skins keep a pick in the top 10-15. Adam Carriker could fall into the middle/late part of the first but who knows. Gaines Adams is very quick and athletic but doesn't anchor well against the run. The 'Skins already have one of those guys in Carter. Putting another hybrid type on the other edge would be a nightmare for which ever LB would end up playing behind him.
The rest of the potential late first round candidates all seemingly lack one of the requirements scouts and coaches look for at those positions. Remember with healthy linemen to occupy blockers linebackers are free to flow to the ball.....otherwise they have to fight through traffic just to get there! Just ask Ray Lewis........

Posted by: petehc | March 30, 2007 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Meant he played with a torn bicep, not actually missing a limb. But yeah, you're right. Can't put anything past these guys. I can hear it now, "our one armed player may have some shortcomings but he really fights his guts out."

Posted by: cdubb | March 30, 2007 4:28 PM | Report abuse

S.O.S kind of has a point

I got rid of my first wife after a couple of bad years...beat the hell out of my own personal cap space though

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | March 30, 2007 4:29 PM | Report abuse

S.O.S - You're letting one individual (maybe two if you include junior) get in your head. F them! But don't hate the Redskins. I hope you're not an Orioles fan (Angelos)? If so, I bet you hate life...

Posted by: CC | March 30, 2007 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Petehc, couldn't agree more. D-Lineman are hard to find and the skins have an opportunity with a high draft pick to do something about it. I just can't believe with all of the obvious problems at D-Line, the Redskins would even consider all of the crap that they are "rumoring" to do. My problem with Snyder is that every time we hear that it is a "rumor" it always comes true!

Posted by: Jeff | March 30, 2007 4:34 PM | Report abuse

How about this....a three way deal involving the "Raiders" (Imagine Chris Berman saying Raiders). Briggs to Raiders, Raiders send #1 pick to Washington, Washington sends #6 and B Lloyd to Chicago and for some reason Chicago also gives us the #31 pick, second and third round picks. Redskins with the #1 pick draft Calvin Johnson. Does this make everyone happy? Two first round picks, second rounder, third rounder, and Calvin Johnson. To me if they get Calvin Johnson, it's obvious that Lloyd has to go as the Redskins will not pay $25M to a fourth stringer. Then again, McCants was on the inactive list a lot. IF they really want Calvin Johnson (which I would jump for joy if they got, but depending on what they have to give up),I say run the 4 wide with Moss, ARE, Johnson, and Cooley.....and hand it off to Portis for a 70 yard TD! I still remember Portis taking his first carry as a Redskin all the way to the house for 64yd TD like it was yesterday. The rest of the ride up until now is all a blur.....

Posted by: straub | March 30, 2007 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Why is this so Friggin hard to do? Why doesn't anyone have a clue over there?

Briggs has stated that HE WILL NOT SHOW UP, the Bears have NO LEVERAGE with him. If anything we should have asked for Briggs, #31, and #37 for the #6. I just want to scream!!

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | March 30, 2007 4:34 PM | Report abuse

How about Plan C? Do not trade the pick for Briggs, do not trade up, at most trade down for more picks, and UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES TRADE 2008 DRAFT PICKS!

Posted by: Broken Clipboard | March 30, 2007 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Why is this so Friggin hard to do? Why doesn't anyone have a clue over there?

Briggs has stated that HE WILL NOT SHOW UP, the Bears have NO LEVERAGE with him. If anything we should have asked for Briggs, #31, and #37 for the #6. I just want to scream!!

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | March 30, 2007 4:35 PM | Report abuse

It doesn't matter who is drafted, signed via FA or acquired by trade, the Redskins will remain mediocre so long as the Second Triumvirate (Octavian Snyder, Marcus Lepidus Cerrato and Marcus Antonius Gibbs) is in control.

Posted by: LH | March 30, 2007 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Heh, and with our drafting luck, that one-armed lineman will get fingered by a guy claiming he was falsely accused of murdering his wife a few months after we pick him up....

Posted by: FlimFlam | March 30, 2007 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Sorry for the double post.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | March 30, 2007 4:36 PM | Report abuse

jm220, I know that you abhor Williams but I don't believe for a second this Briggs stuff is his doing....nor is it Gibbs. It has Snyder written all over it. Williams and Gibbs obviously do not stand up to Snyder. Williams holding his tongue I somewhat understand but Gibbs should ask (tell) him to butt out.

We may as well accept the fact that this trade IS GOING TO HAPPEN! And I'm sure we are going to throw in Rocky or another player or another draft pick (probably our first round pick in 08 - horrors!) Chicago will be praised for executing a wonderful deal while we look STUPID AGAIN!

Posted by: Lisa | March 30, 2007 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Drew Rosenhaus & Dan Snyder are butt boys. The Skins currently employ about half of Rosie's clients so it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility for him to ask us for a little favor. Consider this scenario: Rosie has a high profile LB recently slapped with the dreaded 'Tag of Franchise'(sound like anyone you know?) This makes said LB unhappy b/c he desires a long term contract. Rosie asks the Skins to partake in a completely fictitious trade scenario in order to convince this LB's current employer to change their minds about the franchise tag and either sign the LB to a contract or create a market for another team to do so. Why is everything so literal to you folks? Remember this when it comes to the draft, slimy agents, and the prostitutes on 14th St...nothing is ever what it seems!

Posted by: JonTPK126 | March 30, 2007 4:38 PM | Report abuse

I have to disagree with SOS and Cheyenne. I have been a skins fan for over 50 years, and the team I grew up with was worse than the current version. With this version, at least I see a reason for hope. In fits and starts, they are making some good moves. But, no matter how bad they get, I cannot switch allegiance to another team.

Posted by: Mark (in 21132) | March 30, 2007 4:39 PM | Report abuse

The next coach should be Russ Grimm. We should have hired him and replaced Saunders this year.

Posted by: Scott | March 30, 2007 4:40 PM | Report abuse

JonTPK126 - "Just like nothing is ever what it seems" when last year the Redskins showed interest in B. Lloyd, Arch, and Randel El.

Posted by: Chris | March 30, 2007 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Let's hope all those rumors are just that! Let the Bears suffer through Lance Briggs'and his agent's inflated assesment of his value. We don't need any more salary cap gymnastics, just astute scouting, drafting and player development for the future.

Posted by: petehc | March 30, 2007 4:44 PM | Report abuse

I'm signing off now to go play in the street for a while....I leave you with this and the question, "Are we 'avin' a laff?"

http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/#mea=84993

Posted by: Cindy | March 30, 2007 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Come on S.O.S.- You can't tell us that 3 years ago when you heard THE HEAD COACH was coming back, you didn't pitch a stiff tent at the thought....

Posted by: 4-12 | March 30, 2007 04:26 PM


y'all are off your rockers up here. lol

Posted by: ru kidding | March 30, 2007 4:47 PM | Report abuse

I think Calvin Johnson is the best player in the draft but can you imagine what the total payroll of our 4-deep @ WR would be? our 3rd & 4th strings would both have gotten 10 mil signing bonuses. skins don't seem to understand there is a need to get "value" not just talent. you can't pay top dollar for every player. we sign briggs and we will lose a guy like cooley b/c of it... happens over and over.

Posted by: beat cal | March 30, 2007 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Just to be clear I am a Redskin fan no matter what. I will never root for another team. It doesnt matter what they do or how bad they do it, I will sit and watch.

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | March 30, 2007 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Redskins showed interest in B. Lloyd, Arch, and Randel El?
Please correct me if I am wrong, but those signings happened without anyone on this blog knowing about it ahead of time.

Posted by: JonTPK126 | March 30, 2007 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Btw, I think in this case I would have loved NO NEWS.

Posted by: Broken Clipboard | March 30, 2007 4:52 PM | Report abuse

We dont need to trade for the number 1 pick since oakland has to take russel or quinn, that changes if they trade moss or sign carr before the draft but for now assume they wont, we need to trade with detroit or cleveland for their pick and draft johnson, would a deal like lloyd , betts and 6th pick for the 2 or 3 pick work, that way we get rid of a troublesome receiver (though i like lloyd's potential with a year under his belt here, portis, ARE, and sellers can handle running duties just fine and we can spread the offense and murder dallas and giants safety next year with campbells strong arm

Posted by: skin fan in SA | March 30, 2007 4:52 PM | Report abuse

No deal should involve Betts...he is a keeper. Lloyd is another thing but keep Betts

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | March 30, 2007 4:53 PM | Report abuse

It doesn't matter who is drafted, signed via FA or acquired by trade, the Redskins will remain mediocre so long as the Second Triumvirate (Octavian Snyder, Marcus Lepidus Cerrato and Marcus Antonius Gibbs) is in control.

Posted by: LH

With regards to the redskins FO. my preference is to refer to them as -

Vinny, Dan, Joe - The Schlep Boys

Posted by: The Mole | March 30, 2007 4:53 PM | Report abuse

I hate that the Redskins always seem to do this. Briggs will probably be a free agent next year, why trade for him. Besides, we don't need another LB.

As far as moving up in the draft. CJ is not a sure thing and no WR is ever worth a top 5 pick. Don't care how good you might THINK they will be. The risk is too high. I can't imagine them moving up to draft QB. I know that this is the Redskins we are talking about, but this is even beyond them. The only sense of giving additonal picks to move up would be the Wisconsin OT.

Posted by: BT | March 30, 2007 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Do any of the Bears sites speculate on what they may be offering?

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | March 30, 2007 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Cheyenne - I have not seen anything, but one things is for sure, it is less than the Redskins will offer.

Posted by: BT | March 30, 2007 5:07 PM | Report abuse

The Friday 5pm whistle went off, and all the coked up hamsters went scurrying to happy hour. Sucks working 'til 7.

Posted by: 4-12 | March 30, 2007 5:31 PM | Report abuse

sfskin? skinswest? Nate? Any west coasters?

Posted by: 4-12 | March 30, 2007 5:37 PM | Report abuse

No but the middle of nowhere is well represented.

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | March 30, 2007 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Go ahead Wyoming.

Posted by: 4-12 | March 30, 2007 5:42 PM | Report abuse

I realize Bly signed a long term contract in Denver but arent they trying to get rid of LB Al Wilson? Could this all be a possible 3 way trade where we get Bly, Denver gets Briggs, and Bears get our 6th pic? Just a thought

Posted by: Anonymous | March 30, 2007 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Not unless Denver wants to take the $18 million cap hit for all the guaranteed bonus money they just paid Bly.

Posted by: 4-12 | March 30, 2007 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Bucktown and I are Final Four geniuses. Just had to get that one out of the way.

I'll be happy with whoever the 'Skins select. Come on, it's a worst-to-first League. With a little luck, they could be 11-5. Or they could be 5-11. It's the way it is.

About switching allegiances: it's really hard. I have Chargers and Seahawks tickets in addition to 'Skins tickets. I simply can't get into the Chargers, and I actively root against Seattle in everything. There's something to be said for the team you grew up watching and whose history you know inside out.

Incidentally, that's why I believe the League MUST get back to LA, lest they miss out on yet another generation of fans.

Posted by: P Diddy | March 30, 2007 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Cheyenne- For some reason, I'm thinking of one of those dumb game shows..."Can you find Wyoming on a map?" Sad truth is, a lot of people probably can't.

Posted by: 4-12 | March 30, 2007 5:46 PM | Report abuse

When I found out I was going to be stationed here I actually pulled out a map. It was the only time I cried in the last 12 years

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | March 30, 2007 5:49 PM | Report abuse

I have the hardest time remembering where Wisconsin was on a map. Wyoming is the big square next to Colorado, right?

Posted by: P Diddy | March 30, 2007 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Holy crap. On Triple X radio today, Vinny actually said HE DOESN'T BELIEVE IN DRAFTING DEFENSIVE LINEMEN!

I kid you not.

Posted by: Chris | March 30, 2007 5:51 PM | Report abuse

This state HAS no shape...believe it or not its not that bad.

I was back east last week and was pretty happy to be here. I grew up in PG county and theyre breaking records for murders

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | March 30, 2007 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Cheyenne- Are you military? What, did they send you out there to protect us in case Montana invades?

Posted by: 4-12 | March 30, 2007 5:53 PM | Report abuse

I am military. Its actually a nume base so just in case Canada gets jumpy we can layeth the smacketh down

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | March 30, 2007 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Canada. LMAO. Peek across the border and say "Boo" and they'll surrender.

What's a nume base?

Posted by: 4-12 | March 30, 2007 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Holy crap. On Triple X radio today, Vinny actually said HE DOESN'T BELIEVE IN DRAFTING DEFENSIVE LINEMEN!

Posted by: Chris

That reminded me of the Jeff George "leadership is overrated" fiasco

Posted by: Anonymous | March 30, 2007 5:57 PM | Report abuse

that should have been nuke

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | March 30, 2007 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Dammit Vinnie. That guy has no poker face. Now we KNOW they're going for a D-lineman with the #6.

Posted by: 4-12 | March 30, 2007 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Wyoming is easy to figure out. Just head west on I-80 out of Chicago and don't stop.

When it changes from "flat and green" to "rolling and green", you have left Illinois and entered Iowa.

When it changes from "rolling and green" to "rolling and brown", you are half way across Nebraska.

When the brown rolling hills change to brown ugly mountains, and the healthy deer have morphed into scrawny antelope, you have reached Wyoming.

You are now 1300 miles away from anywhere interesting (unless you are a Broncos fan).

Posted by: The Mole | March 30, 2007 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Whenever I pick a restaurant to eat at, people always ask, "What kind of food is it?"

The menus always have the same stuff...a mix of everything from all over.

So, now, I just tell them, "It's Canadian food."

Posted by: P Diddy | March 30, 2007 6:01 PM | Report abuse

ahhh. nuke.

Posted by: 4-12 | March 30, 2007 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Those directions are better than the ones I got from Mapquest when I drove here.

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | March 30, 2007 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Even as a very noted city slicker type, I actually (oddly) have this desire to go out there and roam around. Heck, I'll even buy boots and flannel shirts.

Posted by: P Diddy | March 30, 2007 6:03 PM | Report abuse

I hate the Broncos but i will say that their fan base is just as rabid as the Skins. Its all broncos all the time on the radio out here.

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | March 30, 2007 6:04 PM | Report abuse

After life in and around DC, I wouldn't mind going there for some solitude

Posted by: 4-12 | March 30, 2007 6:04 PM | Report abuse

The difference is amazing...the people are friendly. If a local here thinks you are having a bad day, they want to put an arm around you and get all Cliff Huxtable on you telling you its going to be OK.

Im still in the mindset to check to make sure my wallet is there when they leave

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | March 30, 2007 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Our boys in the Skins FO are no dumbies. They are fully aware that our prior off season FA follies have left us with a gapping hole in this years draft (2nd-4th round sized to be exact).
Posted by: JonTPK126 | March 30, 2007 04:14 PM


Ah the Kool Aid must taste yummy.

They are kinda little dumb - Lloyd, Archuleta, bye to Clark and Neon Deon, Bruce Smith, Jeff George, Dana Stubblefield, Trotter, Westbrook, bye to Davis, signing Brunell before he was cut, Coles, giving up picks for Rocky Mac to ride the bench and on and on and on.

And if you say some of those were coaching decisions well our FO and coaches are very much one and the same.

*sigh* Sallie Mae where are you? We all need *hugs*

Cyn Cyty thanks for being our pusher.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 30, 2007 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Just did the google. Cheyenne is the most populated city in Wyoming, at just under 56,000. Damn. That's like Gaithersburg or something.

Posted by: 4-12 | March 30, 2007 6:10 PM | Report abuse

All those National Geographic photos were taken in Cheyenne...you dont really think these photographers go all the way to Zimbabwe do you?

Its the crystal meth that makes everyone in the photos skinny, not starvation

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | March 30, 2007 6:12 PM | Report abuse

And a Democratic governor. Wow. Would've thought that's big time Repub territory.

Posted by: 4-12 | March 30, 2007 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Again, blame it on the meth

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | March 30, 2007 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Curt Gowdy was a Wyomingite. Who knew. With that, I am done with the googling of Wyoming info.

Posted by: 4-12 | March 30, 2007 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Wyoming is all right. I went on a terrific hike one time along a roaring mountain stream that was straight out of a beer commercial, minus the hot babes cavorting. Mountains and wide open spaces in between. A BIG adjustment for East Coasters.

Until the Cardinals moved to the PHX, the Broncos were the only team in that time zone. They had their own freakin' time zone! Something akin to the Skins' radio network spanning the South for all those years, as far as cultivating a rabid fan base.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | March 30, 2007 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Nate- I'd hazard to say that the Broncos are still the only NFL team in that time zone.

Posted by: 4-12 | March 30, 2007 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Although as 'Skins fans, who are we to poke fun based on our recent history

Posted by: 4-12 | March 30, 2007 6:30 PM | Report abuse

If in fact the Skins acquire Briggs for that sixth pick what will they have left to deal in order to move up? Not that it matters, because Vinny Cerratto being the worst representation of a GM will dish the likes of Betts, Springs, you know, what Gibbs calls true Redskins.

Acquiring Briggs will truelly symbolize how horrible the Redskins organization has become and how clueless the front office is in running a team.

It baffles me how the Redskins organization is such a marquee team from a business standpoint and yet such a horrible team when it comes down to football. Two playoff appearances in 17 years.

...and I call myself a fan.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 30, 2007 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Skiing in Jackson Hole and hiking Tetons is as good as it gets. Breathing all that fresh air can't be good for you though...

Posted by: RBD202 | March 30, 2007 6:30 PM | Report abuse

P Diddy, I think it's basically you, Bucktown and Dorf rocking the NCAA pool. Great job.

(I kept checking through the week to see if my bracket had magically improved. It had not.)

So, Diddy, do you really think Georgetown has Final Four-quality cheerleaders -- since you admitted that it was an exhaustive comparative analysis of cheering staff which largely guided your picks, a sort of Babremetrics if you will -- or was that a homer pick?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | March 30, 2007 6:34 PM | Report abuse

i am an occasional blog reader and have always wondered, is P diddy real or an imposter?

P.S.
Any chance of drafting Pioli?

Posted by: stupid | March 30, 2007 6:35 PM | Report abuse

D lineman drafted under Vinny --

Delbert Cowsette. A d-tackle in the 7th round.

Mario Monds. A d-tackle in the 6th round.

Gregg Scott. A d-end in the 7th round.

Montgomery and Golston last year in rounds five and six.

That's five total picks spent on d-linemen in six years. And three of those guys are out of the league.

Vinny may be than Millen.

Posted by: Andrew | March 30, 2007 6:40 PM | Report abuse

hey stupid, P Diddy is the nickname of one of the regular blog peeps. So he's real in the sense that he's a person (I have in fact met him), but he's not real in the sense that he is the hip-hop mogul whose name he is borrowing.

And dude, you gotta pick a different name than 'stupid.' I kind of have a corner on the stupid market up here.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | March 30, 2007 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Plus I think the hip-hop mogul is now just Diddy or P or Puffy or Daddy or PDiddle or something. I can't keep up with his reincarnations.

Posted by: 4-12 | March 30, 2007 6:46 PM | Report abuse

As Nate says, I am real. Though I am not the real P Diddy.

Nate, we need to do a PDX pub crawl. I got lots of peeps down there (PR agency babes, at that).

Posted by: P Diddy | March 30, 2007 6:47 PM | Report abuse

hey stupid...
love that

Posted by: Anonymous | March 30, 2007 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and Georgetown was indeed a homer pick. I knew Merryland would bow out early (they peaked too early). The rest of my Final Four is fairly straightforward: 2 #1s, 2 #2s. It wasn't out of the ordinary.

I don't know how the point system works, so I'm not sure if I still have a shot or not. I picked UCLA (one of the schools that failed me out) and Georgetown (purely sentimental).

BTW, best cheerleaders on the planet? UF Gators. That's how I won the Final Four pool last year...

Posted by: P Diddy | March 30, 2007 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Never been to Cheyenne but my last visit to Wyoming found me in Casper across the street from the lovely Dick Cheney Federal Building. Yikes

Posted by: skinswest | March 30, 2007 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the clarification, sorry nate didn't mean to encrouch on your turf

Posted by: the artist formerly known as stupid | March 30, 2007 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Although, I went to the gym this morning and was doing portions of the Adam Archuleta workout in the big aerobics studio, when I was joined about 5 minutes in by the Sonics Dancers practicing their routine for tonight.

Going to the Dancers' home gym is definitely a perk. I haven't missed a single day in over 15 months.

Posted by: P Diddy | March 30, 2007 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Pdiddy- your luck is better than mine by far. I think the guy on the treadmill next to me must've had beans for breakfast. At least I was almost finished when he got there.

Posted by: skinswest | March 30, 2007 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Anybody else tired of all the rumors surrounding the skins? You don't hear too much about other teams. I wish they'd just lay low for awhile, hell it's not even April yet. Another month of Snyder getting his team in the paper? Sheesh.

Posted by: skinswest | March 30, 2007 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Wow, kost52's favourite Aussie football club, the Geelong Cats, were founded in 1859. The Melbourne Football Club was founded earlier that same year, so they are the oldest extant clubs "of any code in the world," even older than the Bears and Notre Dame. How freakin' amazing is that?

Also, there is a key statistic in Aussie football called 'disposals.' What the hell is that?

It's like a whole 'nother world down there.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | March 30, 2007 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Diddy, I've been laying low since the shabingus in Seattle, rehabbing the part of my body which processes vodka and mending fences with the missus ("It's not a drinking problem so much as a drinking pastime, honey!"), except for a Saint Paddy's night semi-shabingus. So yes, I will be ready for the Portland round of our home-and-home set.

Ah, cheerleaders.

And panties.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | March 30, 2007 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Nate my Reaper shirt came today.

Posted by: jm220 | March 30, 2007 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Did this one fit, jm? XXL?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | March 30, 2007 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Hahaha Well Nate, when you have possession of the ball, there are two ways to pass it, one is to kick it (like a punter, hence Darren Bennett, Ben Graham etc.) the other is a hand pass (handball) where you rest the ball on the palm of your hand and sort of punch the ball (not with knuckles, with side/thumb?) so after a game in the stats a players who has 15 kicks and 9 handballs, has 24 disposals!

Posted by: kost52 | March 30, 2007 8:29 PM | Report abuse

This is probably a good time to survey anybody who has purchased an RI tee shirt for feedback on the experience of using our store, which of course can be found at cafepress.com/redskinsinsider

Since the store opened a month ago, we've sold a dozen shirts, at least one from each design, with the 'Shabingus' line being the clear favorite among the peeps. That may sound like a modest sales figure, but those sales have generated a solid thirty bucks! towards charities providing hurricane relief on the Gulf Coast.

Please send me any feedback, positive or negative, at nateinthepdx at gmail dot com. I am trying to decide how best to proceed, either by adding designs to enhance this store or choose another vehicle for raising charity funds AND spreading blog love.

And as always, thank you for your support.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | March 30, 2007 8:30 PM | Report abuse

I'm feeling much better about the whole Briggs thing, not so much that I want him, but the fact that there are also JaMarcus rumours, and CJ rumours, makes me pretty certain that the skins are simply hiding their actual plan, so that when the time comes, and they reveal it that won't have the price jacked up on them. The only flaw in this theory though, is that I'm not sure if the FO are that clever??

Posted by: kost52 | March 30, 2007 8:37 PM | Report abuse

kost52, I sure as heck hope you're right about this whole thing being a smokescreen.

DEE-fense! DEE-fense! That remains the mantra for this offseason. D line, safety, corner.

And thanks for the explanation of 'disposals.' It sounded like the sort of thing you'd keep track of if you were, say, a Mafia goon.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | March 30, 2007 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Do other teams actually send out "smoke screens" to con other teams? I don't follow any other teams as closely to monitor their day to day pressers/rumors. It seems to me that all the NFL FOs have to be reasonably intelligent and wouldn't really pay attention to other team rumors...but I could be wrong. If you were a GM would you really change your focus and make a knee jerk reaction if your name wasn't Vinny?

Posted by: RBD202 | March 30, 2007 9:06 PM | Report abuse

I'm wearing my shabingus shirt right now. My experience was fine. Easy to order and got it in timely fashion.

One of my most memorable evenings ever was sitting by Jackson lake in the Tetons as the sun was setting and a breeze blew softly through the aspens. My sister and I were eating some rockin' hot dogs and spaghetti and a really nice family offered us two of their cooked fish they'd caught and grilled. It was my birthday. It was great. So Wyoming has a soft spot in my heart.

Posted by: sfskin | March 30, 2007 10:02 PM | Report abuse

HOLY SHMOLY I just saw the replay on the Wiz game against Raptors!

Are you KIDDING me? I don't think I've ever seen anything like that! I mean is that DC teams in a nutshell or what?

Posted by: sfskin | March 30, 2007 10:10 PM | Report abuse

I think I'm alone now, there doesn't seem to be anyone around.

Okay watching Young Frankenstein - one of all time great comedies! Madeleine Kahn is sheer genius!

Posted by: sfskin | March 30, 2007 10:15 PM | Report abuse

sfskin, I'm sitting here shaking about the Wiz game! We had the darn game won until Ruffin threw up the ball - why, why, why did he do that? Heartbreaker!

Posted by: Lisa | March 30, 2007 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Halo. Would you like to have a roll in ze hay? It's fun. Roll roll roll in ze hay.

Werewolf? There! There wolf. There castle.

Genius!

Posted by: sfskin | March 30, 2007 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Lisa - not just that he made a dumb mistake but that desperation shot at the end of RT - I mean are you kidding me?!

Posted by: sfskin | March 30, 2007 10:21 PM | Report abuse

sfskin, I'm just stunned! It was a very entertaining game but a heartbreaker.

I bet none of the players are talking to Ruffin and he has to feel like hell. He saved the game and then lost it by a stupid mistake - just hold onto the ball!

Posted by: Lisa | March 30, 2007 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Ah the Kool Aid must taste yummy.

Gawd, I can't even drink the KoolAid anymore with this team, it's making me throw-up. I should have known to not pay attention to any off-season shenanigans. Back to Canada for me; see you all when the real season starts.

Posted by: Megskin | March 30, 2007 10:40 PM | Report abuse

We have the #6 pick.
Would New England be willing to part with the #24 and 28 for the #6?

Posted by: Redskin Ray | March 30, 2007 11:05 PM | Report abuse

Yes! let's take Calvin Johnson and pay our 3rd and 4th receiver $30 million each!

Posted by: pfunk | March 30, 2007 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Megskin!!!!!!flash them tig ol bitties!

Posted by: Daddy-O | March 30, 2007 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Ray -- at one point, we started guessing that C Johnson would be a reasonable one-time splurge for the Pats, but that was before they went out and bought every single f-ing WR in the league.
So who would they want so bad? The draft value chart says that #6 is equal to #24 + #28 + a mid-third round pick. For the Pats, let's say we push them a bit and ask for their end-of-2nd pick -- that might work if we were on-the-clock and the stud they needed to complete their team was still available.
Who would anyone want so bad at #6? That ends up being the killer question...

Posted by: cload and daggar | March 31, 2007 12:11 AM | Report abuse

I just don't get the Briggs deal. Why would you commit so much $$$ to the linebacker position when you have 2 very good linebackers and Rocky who they traded up for just last year. The defensive line is such a weakness with no youth at all. If they want to make a deal so bad they should trade down pick up additional picks so you can draft a couple of good young defensive lineman. The Eagles have spent quite a freearly round picks and loading up on both sides of the line. That is what wins you games. When you dominate both sides of the line.

Posted by: San Fran Pat | March 31, 2007 1:39 AM | Report abuse

Repost from last night - a good article regarding Rocky McIntosh and why he didn't start until late in the season.

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=24433

Posted by: Ocho-Ocho | March 31, 2007 3:59 AM | Report abuse

Repost from last night - regarding Briggs trade rumor and analysis, including who the Patriots might want bad enough to move up.

"Latest rumor: Our #6 overall plus Rocky Mac for Briggs, their 31st overall, and their 3rd round pick."

Posted by: NWO4LIFE |

THIS IS A TERRIBLE DEAL!!!

Here is a story by HoBo last year on why the Redskins wanted Rocky Mc and what it cost to get him.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/29/AR2006042900917.html

So this new trade proposal for Briggs means, in essence:

1) We swap 1st Round picks and the "sweetener" for the Redskins is Briggs. (Thus, Briggs is worth 1000 points, or the value of a #16 1st round pick.)
2) The Redskins get a low 3rd Round pick for Rocky, who only a year ago cost two 2nd Round picks along with a 6th rounder. The total value of those picks equals 906, versus a value of 120 for the 3rd round pick in return. That is a difference of 786 points, or the value of a #22 pick in the 1st Round.

In other words, this "trade" is another Denver-style debacle. Making this deal means that Briggs ends up costing the Redskins the equivalent of two (2) 1st round draft picks.

The obvious solution is to walk away from the Briggs deal as quickly as humanly possible. Then approach the Patriots about trading their two low 1st round draft choices (#24 & 28) in exchange for the #6 pick. If the Patriots wanted to be decent about it, they could throw in their 3rd and 4th round picks also to equalize the trade value. Why do the Patriots want to move up? Possibly to get Adrian Peterson, or to grab Patrick Willis, the top-rated ILB from Mississippi. (Bruschi's career may be over.)

The end result would be far superior to the bad trade listed above. The Redskins would keep Rocky Mc and let him start this year at OLB, and have at least two 1st round draft picks in 2007 to use for a DE/DT starter and possibly a future DE/DT/CB starter.

One other possible wrinkle: Atlanta, which has the #8 pick, is allegedly in love with Landry. If they want him so bad, let them swap places with the Redskins in exchange for their 3rd round pick. Then the Patriots only have to send their #24 & #28 picks to get the #8 pick (the values are equal). That third round pick from Atlanta would be a real good place to get an OG prospect.

JUST SAY NO TO BRIGGS!!!

Posted by: Ocho-Ocho | March 31, 2007 4:03 AM | Report abuse

Jason

Have you heard anything on the rumored Bills offer? It's a story on scout.com. The rumor seems to point at 12 for Briggs and another pick. This would certainly be intriguing.

As for my general views (as I'm a Bears fan who grew up in D.C. and follow the Skins) -

I don't like this deal for the Skins, as it currently stands. It isn't a matter of value, but more due to need. Yes, Lance Briggs would upgrade the LB's for the Redskins, and maybe adding Briggs would allow for Washington to be used more as a pass rusher, which would address the edge need on pass rushing situations potentially with Washington/Carter used to pressure more (as Marcus' pressure usage dropped off last year). But I think Lemar Marshall is getting shafted. He struggled at MIKE, but he should be a capable-solid starter at weak. Rocky McIntosh is still there as well, and as such, it just makes little sense for the SKins, IMO.

Granted, the 6th pick is a bit of a no-man's land right now, but taking a chance there seems smarter, IMO.

Posted by: Tony | March 31, 2007 6:01 AM | Report abuse

Ocho Ocho

just to note, if the Patriots move up, I doubt it'd be for Adrian Peterson (they drafted a RB last year) or Patrick Willis (Bruschi's slated to return next year, and Vrabel is full time ILB now with Adalius there). If they did move up, the guess here would be for Laron Landry, as Eugene Wilson hasn't been anything worth writing about at FS, so they could use him there.

Posted by: Tony | March 31, 2007 6:05 AM | Report abuse

Draft need comment - I think the Redskins need a base end and interior pass rusher more than they need a speedy edge guy. Thus, that's why I think Adam Carriker (likely top 12 prospect) and Ray McDonald (would be anywhere from a late first - 3rd prospect, ranging to 3rd due to medical background needing to be fully evaluated). Both are guys that could be solid base ends, and then, in pass rushing situations, Carter could come on and they could potnetialy slide inside if need be. Both understand technique real well.

Posted by: Tony | March 31, 2007 6:08 AM | Report abuse

sfskin,

I thought the same exact thing last night.

The ridiculous shot in the Wiz game, followed up by the devastation in Buckhantz's voice, pretty much sums up professional sports in DC right now. Buck could barely call the OT session he was so depressed...

Posted by: Ricky Bobby | March 31, 2007 10:06 AM | Report abuse

I heard about Dick Cheney being from Wyoming, but that it was his adopted second home, his "Home Away from Transylvania".

Posted by: Anonymous | March 31, 2007 10:14 AM | Report abuse

So... no news on a Briggs deal is, um, good news? Are the league meetings still going on?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | March 31, 2007 11:25 AM | Report abuse

NAte - Meetings ended on Wednesday.....

Posted by: ExtremeSkins | March 31, 2007 11:32 AM | Report abuse

So now we just sit and wait for one of these deals, or no deal, to occur, or for the draft to arrive. Awesome.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | March 31, 2007 12:22 PM | Report abuse

All in good time my friends. When the trigger is pulled on Briggs, I want to be in a position to sign him to the splashiest contract ever. Nate Clements? eat your heart out.

Posted by: Cerattto | March 31, 2007 1:53 PM | Report abuse

I think we should adopt Stephen Colbert's attitude - bears are either on notice or dead to us.

If we don't get a d-lineman who'll be a playmaker than we shall be saying to paraphrase Shakespeare - A DE/DT! My Six Flags park for a DE/DT!

Posted by: sfskin | March 31, 2007 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Tony - I'm with you in the McDonald camp. I know we need due diligence on his medical status but it strikes me he'd be worth a look in 2nd or 3rd round.

Posted by: sfskin | March 31, 2007 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Nate: Wearing my Shabingus shirt right now. Looks and feels great. The process was so simple even Boofer could've handled IT. hehe

Posted by: Mad Dog | March 31, 2007 2:56 PM | Report abuse

btw, just in case anyone wants to know. i won the RI pool on yahoo... :)

Posted by: dealer | March 31, 2007 3:20 PM | Report abuse

But you were the only one in it, right?

Posted by: Mad Dog | March 31, 2007 3:22 PM | Report abuse

i'm really really hoping that it was dale lindsay who was to blame for not putting rocky in the games. it was inexcusable. and now they're shopping for briggs? why can't mcintosh be briggs?

i demand an apology.

and for the draft i would like for them to trade their first round pick for this year's 2nd and next years 1st and 2nd/3rd. trade lloyd for next year's 2nd/3rd.

so next year they'll have

2 #1's
2 #2's
2 #3's.

fire vinny, hire some sort of a genius personnel person. whomever they bring in even if he's a little bit better than vinny he can at least go 50-50 in the first three rounds and get 3 or 4(1 from rounds 4-7) solid starters.

how about it kids? let's suck it up for one more year? danny?

Posted by: dealer | March 31, 2007 3:22 PM | Report abuse

mad dog, i don't rember seeing you on there how you know? shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! everyon's probly forgotten the password and stuff...

actually lemme check and post the standings now...

Posted by: dealer | March 31, 2007 3:24 PM | Report abuse

I couldn't figure out to get on.

Posted by: Mad Dog | March 31, 2007 3:29 PM | Report abuse

left out "how".

Posted by: Mad Dog | March 31, 2007 3:30 PM | Report abuse

i parsed out the emails addys.

Overall Rank
1 Bucktown Skins Fan 108 48 of 60 99th 14501 â–²17851
2 P Diddy's Favorite Cheerleader 103 46 of 60 97th 57809 â–²62147
3 Dorf on Basketball 94 42 of 60 85th 289344 â–²203816
4 dictum 89 40 of 60 73rd 525225 â–²244559
5 PapsInManila 84 42 of 60 60th 788016 â–²261278
5 JLC - All Losers All The TIme 84 40 of 60 60th 788016 â–²261278
7 protosnot 82 44 of 60 55th 894360 â–²258855
8 Learned Hand 81 40 of 60 52nd 947189 â–¼177405
9 SMACK 79 38 of 60 47th 1048789 â–²245850
9 stevie in gp/ct/ha-why-ee 79 41 of 60 47th 1048789 â–²245850
11 sfskin 78 40 of 60 44th 1097870 â–²239442
11 Ocho-Ocho 78 41 of 60 44th 1097870 â–²239442
13 RBD202 76 41 of 60 40th 1191295 â–²226661
14 D's L 74 39 of 60 35th 1278026 â–²208318
15 Nate in the PDX 72 40 of 60 31st 1357177 â–²188567
16 PSF 69 37 of 60 26th 1460432 â–¼82836
17 Montague 67 37 of 60 23rd 1521757 â–²136569
18 dealer 64 37 of 60 19th 1595519 â–¼49775
19 4th Floor's Bracket 59 37 of 60 15th 1685518 â–²71204
20 Heathie 0 0 of 60 6th 1853551
20 Kennys Got It Locked 0 0 of 60

Posted by: dealer | March 31, 2007 3:32 PM | Report abuse

bucktown is in the top 15 THOUSANDS and i'm in the top 16 MILLIONS! i demand a recount.

Posted by: dealer | March 31, 2007 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Who is this Cindy cat?

Now that is inside info! Can you take over this job permanantly?

TO: The boss at the Post.....Please consider leaving Cindy on the insider side, she does the job right!

What happened to Laforte anyway? OH thats right his wife had a baby and he took the time off, what a girly man! Why do I picture him laying on his fat a$$ while his wife is in an apron cooking a 5 course meal and tending to the baby. BRING ME A BEER WOMAN!

ALERT!!! GIRLY MAN!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | March 31, 2007 3:48 PM | Report abuse

^^^^^^

Posted by: nonon | March 31, 2007 3:50 PM | Report abuse

responding to the latest rumor, unless chicago, throws both of their 2nd round picks i'm not doing that deal, for the simple fact that i gave up, three picks just to get mcintosh besides, i wouldn't even throw mcintosh into this, mix because he is 3years younger, you know what it would be a lot wiser, to cancel this trade with chicago all together.

Posted by: armen | March 31, 2007 4:01 PM | Report abuse

I do believe that when Chicago puts out a counter-offer ("give us that as well and we'll do it), Redskins will turn it down. Redskins MUST be making a smoke screen to talk secretly with New England and their two first round picks. Or even swapping with Indianapolis and getting Dwight Freeny.

One thing still irks me, how early did the Redskins say they were going to take Denver's pick in 2005 to get JC? Because if that was as open as the Briggs talk, then this trade may be serious.

Posted by: DCdangerous | March 31, 2007 4:58 PM | Report abuse

"nonon" is listed as meaning "moron" in the hieroglyphic dictionary.

Even I know who Cindy is and I am just an occasional lurker.

A trade is not a trade until both sides agree on the terms. A trade offer is simply a proposal. Any alteration of the initial trade offer represents a new proposal. Either party can walk away at any time unless all terms have been agreed to by both.

Posted by: Otter | March 31, 2007 5:18 PM | Report abuse

A review of the concept of the "fog of war" seems to be in order, with respect to both the ongoing Tillman saga as well as the current actions of Redskins management.

"The practical experience of the fog of war is most easily demonstrated in the tactical battlespace. It may include military commanders' incomplete or inaccurate intelligence regarding their enemy's numbers, disposition, capabilities, and intent, regarding features of the battlefield, and even including incomplete knowledge of the state of their own forces. Fog of war is caused by the limits of reconnaissance, by the enemy's feints and disinformation, by delays in receiving intelligence and difficulties passing orders, and by the difficult task of forming a cogent picture from a very large (or very small) amount of diverse data. When a force engages in battle and the urgency for good intelligence increases, so does the fog of war and chaos of the battlefield, while military units become preoccupied with fighting or are lost (either destroyed by enemy fire or literally lose their way), reconnaissance and liaison elements become unavailable, and sometimes while real fog and smoke obscure vision.

The term is ascribed to the Prussian military analyst Carl von Clausewitz, who wrote: "The great uncertainty of all data in war is a peculiar difficulty, because all action must, to a certain extent, be planned in a mere twilight, which in addition not infrequently -- like the effect of a fog or moonshine -- gives to things exaggerated dimensions and unnatural appearance."

Much of the modern military's technological efforts, under the rubric of command and control seek to reduce the fog of war. Although even the most advanced technology cannot completely eliminate it, military theorists continue to develop ways to reduce " (wiki.org)

Posted by: Otter | March 31, 2007 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Otter, in my very brief experience, moonshine does give things exaggerated dimensions and unnatural appearance.

And I appreciate where you're coming from, but even in a forum such as this blog it's a bit of reach to compare the Skins' offseason -- or just about anything in the world of sports -- to the friendly fire death of Pat Tillman and the shameful coverup which ensued.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | March 31, 2007 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Is Otter in honor of the terrific Peter Riegert character in 'Animal House?' Sorry if I have asked this before. I have a lousy memory.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | March 31, 2007 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Good grief, my memory really is fading. Otter was Tim Matheson's character; Boon was Peter Riegert's. Jeez. I just lost some guy cred up here. Yikes.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | March 31, 2007 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Re:nonon, referring to J-La as 'Laforte' is pretty funny.

That should be on the list with LaToucanfora as an official unofficial alternative name for our lovely host.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | March 31, 2007 5:59 PM | Report abuse

here we go, Hoyas, here we go

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | March 31, 2007 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Funny to see someone here to reference the same cartoon character that I was just thinking about a couple of days ago.

Snyderly Whiplash (Yah, ah, ah!)

Posted by: charlie | March 31, 2007 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Can somebody please get into Gibbs, Cerrato and Snyder's ear and tell them we need help on the DL? Either Calvin Johnson or the best DL available... We had no pass rush last year...Unless we go to a 3-4 defense Briggs is a waste to come to Washington. Briggs is good with Chicago, not what Washington does on defense.

Posted by: Dave | March 31, 2007 8:21 PM | Report abuse

if i'am Joe gibbs for the 6th pick if the bears are interested i want briggs, De mark anderson chicago 1st round 3rd round 4round next year or look for another team to trade down with to pget additional draft picks.

Posted by: armen | March 31, 2007 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Funny thing: Tommie Harris was asked about Lance Briggs being traded to Washington (or anywhere) at the Bears Fan Convention. Harris replied "I don't know anything - you will have to talk with Lance or his crazy agent about that." Reporters then reminded Harris that his agent is Drew Rosenhaus as well. Harris kind of smiled and moved on.

Posted by: Lisa | March 31, 2007 10:04 PM | Report abuse

24 prime-time blogging hours and the best thing we can come up with is Nate confusing Otter and Boon?
Karen Allen is standing on the other side of the room with that bemused, disappointed, you're-hopeless-but-I-still-love-you "Oh, Nate!" face....

Posted by: cload and daggar | March 31, 2007 10:33 PM | Report abuse

give me some of them tig ol bitties!

Posted by: Daddy-O | March 31, 2007 11:41 PM | Report abuse

someone has dysentery. this blog has really been stinking.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 1, 2007 12:52 AM | Report abuse

Angelo says multiyear deal for Briggs unlikely
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CHICAGO (AP) - The standoff between Lance Briggs and the Chicago Bears took another turn Saturday, when general manager Jerry Angelo said he wants the Pro Bowl linebacker to return next season but a multiyear contract is unlikely.

"I'm not ruling it out 100 percent, but in all probability, that's not likely to happen," Angelo said during the team's fan convention.
The Bears and Briggs have been at odds since the team slapped the franchise player tag on him in mid-February.

Briggs threatened to sit out the season, then agent Drew Rosenhaus said his client would sit out the first 10 games and report for the final six to qualify as serving one year as a franchise player.

Meanwhile, the Washington Redskins offered the sixth pick in the draft for Briggs and the Redskins' No. 31 selection.

"We'll digest what they offered Monday and we'll go from there," Angelo said, adding no other team has made an offer.

The Bears would likely have to pay the No. 6 pick a $15 million to $20 million bonus, although they could package the pick in another trade.

Chicago would owe Briggs about $7.2 million next season -- the average of the top five salaries at his position and approximately 10 times what he earned in 2006. But the franchise player tag makes it difficult for Briggs to market himself to other teams.

If he signs an offer sheet, the Bears have the right to match it. Otherwise, they would receive first-round picks in 2007 and 2008.

Briggs made it clear in early March that he was unhappy with the label, when he said the team should remove it or trade him. He has repeated those sentiments in interviews with several national media outlets.

A week later, he told FOXSports.com, "I've played my last snap for them. I'll never play another down for Chicago again."

Angelo believes Briggs really feels that way, isn't being put up to it by Rosenhaus.

"When somebody speaks, I have to take it as that's what they feel," Angelo said. "I'm not going to characterize Lance as a puppet."

Angelo met with Briggs at the recent NFL meetings and used words such as "amiable" to describe the session. He also made it clear he wants the linebacker in Chicago next season.

"I wanted him to know exactly what our sentiments were," Angelo said. "It was very amiable, given that neither one is really going to get their way. We have to take the high road, move forward to make this the best we can because it serves everybody to do it this way."

Angelo told Briggs the public attacks on the organization weren't "in anybody's best interests."

If Briggs leaves, Angelo said the Bears would not pocket the money. They would use it to acquire and retain players.

A year ago, Briggs reportedly turned down a six-year, $33 million deal. He said it was for seven years, and was "below market value." Either way, Angelo warned him that the Bears might use the franchise tag.

Chicago spent some of that money earmarked for Briggs on center Olin Kreutz, linebacker Hunter Hillenmeyer, running back Adrian Peterson and cornerback Ricky Manning Jr.

Briggs made his second straight Pro Bowl, and the Bears won the NFC championship. Now, he's in a stare-down with management.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 1, 2007 2:30 AM | Report abuse

There is only 1 thing I am annoieeed at with this off season, that is all these rumors that the skins want J.Russlle, first of all the source of the rumor is AOL's sports writers speculation on an ESPN article about Russlle comink to visit Skins park. Those are not solid sources for NFL info and AOL needs to stop trying to go after Snyder, didn't he make his $ from the web?

Posted by: 35332 | April 1, 2007 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Briggs. Russell. ArchDeluxe. Sanders...

Ultimately, the failure of the Redskin's getting any meaningfully consistent production or penetration into the playoff is a result of one thing: The financial success of the franchise (consistently the most profitable in the NFL) reinforces the use of past corporate behaviors because they have yet to see any impact on their cash flow. That financial success creates a culture of 'We must be right! Look at the numbers! Dan, we rock!" Therefore, if your measure of success is solely profitability, the Redskin's are a success and there is no need to effect change, period.

Until someone there can either create a culture of dissatisfaction among the FO and the players to get more production, or the organizations cash-flow is impinged because people grow tiresome of an inferior product, the Redskins will get on the same merry-go-round every year and by definition, arrive at the same point when they stop spinning.
Look for the FO to keep "gifting" free agents with bonus money and contracts that look like a Bush budget. This will continue until one of the above happens.

The best thing that can happen to the Skin's at this point is an erosion of the fan base to reduce revenue, or Dan has an awakening. One or the other. Until then, the economics of the free agency market will ensure a steady flow of second-hand, over-priced players will be jetted to Redskin Park and paraded about so Dan can feel good.

Posted by: gary | April 1, 2007 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Interesting how it says in the article that the #6 pick will probably command a 15 to 20M bonus. Last year's number 6, Vernon Davis, got a 14M bonus. These numbers, I'm thinking, are a big part of why it's proving hard to trade down. So part of their thinking is that if they're going to spend big bucks on someone it should be a sure thing, either Briggs or Calvin Johnson.

Posted by: skinfanman | April 1, 2007 11:50 AM | Report abuse

If the Vikings are intent on picking defensive end Gaines Adams from Clemson with their No. 7 pick in the April 28 draft, they surely are watching the Lance Briggs-Drew Rosenhaus circus with keen interest. A proposed trade between the Redskins and Bears would greatly increase the odds of Adams being available for Minnesota.
-- St. Paul Pioneer Press

Why don't they move down 1 spot and pick up a 3rd or 4th off these guys. Whatever the value chart says the 1 spot is worth. Then do the same with Atlanta if they want Landry.

Posted by: Antivinny | April 1, 2007 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Minnesota's 4th and 7th (88 and 11.8 points) would makeup the difference (100 points) between the #6 and #7 pick.

Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | April 1, 2007 1:49 PM | Report abuse

if i'm the redskins this is what i'll do with the 6th pick over i'll trade it to a trade that is high enough to come down for 1stround 2nd round and 4th round and use the 2nd round pick to trade down couple of spots with another team for their 2nd and 3rd pick for my 2nd and 6th roundpick

Posted by: armen | April 1, 2007 2:22 PM | Report abuse

now that is some quality writing

Posted by: Anonymous | April 1, 2007 2:49 PM | Report abuse

if i'm the redskins this is what i'll do with the 6th pick over i'll trade it to a trade that is high enough to come down for 1stround 2nd round and 4th round and use the 2nd round pick to trade down couple of spots with another team for their 2nd and 3rd pick for my 2nd and 6th roundpick

This is so stupid it took me about 45 min to figure out what it meant. Needless to say I couldn't becasue its nonsense.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 1, 2007 4:07 PM | Report abuse

why are you wasting 45 mins trying to decipher jibberish?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 1, 2007 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Robofrance 29

Posted by: Anonymous | April 1, 2007 6:05 PM | Report abuse

buttlickin

Posted by: Anonymous | April 1, 2007 8:47 PM | Report abuse

O blog, where art thou?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 1, 2007 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Greg Williams is a moron look at these few moves letting AP go, signing Arch deluxe oh while increasing S. Taylor's upcoming contract demands and signing L. Fletcher a 32yr old LB the D needs to be rebuilt with young talent and mid age vets. all you have to do is look at the SB these were two teams with great D lines imagine if the bears had tommie harris. everything starts UPFRONT, please Snyder just call J. Madden and have him teach Cerrato and all the other front office people how to build a winner... Briggs please he is no Urlacher and let's not forget the NFC North is no power house division either!!! and LB's mean nothing without a good D line.. I believe we have the slowest most non athletic d line in football. we should put Griffin at LE to replace Daniels while also extending his own career that would be the anvil to carter's sickle. team Gholston and 3 other rookie DT's and maybe a June 1 cap casulty to fill in the middle and with the 6th pick trade down so you can draft two starters instead of one or just draft the best Defensive player available. I have been a skinz fan my whole 28yrs on this earth and i thought the Norv Turner years were the darkest in my football lifetime but these years of snyder are like living in the twilight zone!!!! better yet like being Bill Murray in Ground Hogs Day... This organization has no plan every successful team builds one part of the team first then focuses on the other part. we have the makings of a real potenant offense now lets show a little wisdom and BUILD not Buy ourselves a Defense!!!!

Posted by: This must end | April 2, 2007 5:36 PM | Report abuse

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