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Something To Chew On (Small Update At The Bottom Now. Nothing Huge)

The Redskins say it will be at a least a week until he tells us who the new head coach is and I know that's way too long for you all to spend dissecting the coaching career of Jim Fassel slone. How about we take a moment to examine someone whose names has not been publicly linked to the job yet.

Ready?

You sure?


Steve Mariucci.

Remember four years ago owner Daniel Snyder danced with a lot of coaches but all the while the Joe Gibbs recruitment was guarded with great secrecy? What if it's happening again? How would that go over?

Hear me out for a few paragraphs now, then let me know what you think,. Maybe I'm crazy. But connecting the dots, talking to various people with ties to Mariucci and the West Coast Offense family tree, other unrelated NFL execs, top agents, former players of Mariucci's ... this is a theory at least worth chewing over with my RI peeps.

I got Mariucci's agent, Gary O'Hagan, on the phone ever so briefly yesterday and after he peppered me with rapid-fire questions about the Redskins' coaching search I tried to pin him down on whether there had been contact between the Redskins and Mariucci and all he'd say is: "No comment." Mark Maske, our NFL reporter, ran into Mariucci in the media center for the Super Bowl in Phoenix, asked the former coach of the 49ers and Lions if he had talked to the Redskins regarding their opening: Mariucci seemed a little taken aback and said: "I'm working for the NFL Network right now, and that's all I'm doing."

Wonder if the "right now" part of that sentence turns out to be the key?

The Redskins are not commenting on any part of their coaching search. So I have no firm confirmation of contact, though one former Mariucci associate told me that Mariucci has been calling some of his former coaches recently, and that the Redskins are definitely possibility, with Oakland perhaps as well (assuming the Raiders work out whatever is going on with current coach Lane Kiffin. (Steve is a San Fran guy - via Iron Mountain, Michigan- and one of his former assistants told me Mariucci's wife would prefer to stay in a warmer locale.

So let's peel back this onion, shall we?

It certainly is unusual - though hardly unprecedented - that Snyder would hire his coordinators before his head coach. And league sources said that Jim Zorn was Jim Fassel's top choice as OC, and that he was very comfortable with Greg Blache running his defense as well. That all adds up. Snyder told Fassel on Wednesday night that while he was delaying a decision until after the Super Bowl that Fassel remained a top candidate. I buy all of that and no doubt whatsoever Fassel is in this thing and has a good chance of getting it. But Snyder also could have gone ahead and hired him this week, even though he was unable to get his top choice defensive coordinator, Rex Ryan.

Now, the Redskins have let it be known they have interest in coaches involved in the Super Bowl, with league sources saying Giants DC Steve Spagnuolo is of particular interest. But it would take some serious covert ops/tampering for any team to be talking to Spagnuolo now, especially to the degree to put together a staff around him. And would any coach take his first job walking into a virtually set staff of which he has no ties? Same goes for Ron Meeks, the Indianapolis DC who will have his second interview with the team this week. And again, they could have already made that hire, but instead we're having second interviews with Fassel.

Several league sources said they doubted a defensive coach would get this job now after Blache being promoted, and with the Redskins prizing the development of QB Jason Campbell, whom they have invested so much in, during this process (one of the primary reasons Fassel is an attractive candidate).

Okay, so let's see, Jim Zorn, West Coast Offense coach, directly from the Mike Holmgren tree. Well, what do you know, so is Mariucci. Very strong ties there. Perhaps he would not have been Mariucci's top choice as OC, but they come from the same system, Holmgren is their mentor (Zorn spent the last six seasons as Holmgren's QB coach). They run essentially the same system. Zorn has no previous experience as an NFL OC, but with an offensive minded head coach and another hire or two, your set. Also, Zorn will be working heavily with Campbell, and Mariucci goes back to Brett Favre in the developing QBs department.

What about Blache, you say?

Well, Blache is another West Coast guy, worked with Mariucci under Holmgren in Green Bay for a few years. In 2004, when Blache was leaving Chicago after 5 years as the Bears DC, Mariucci tired very hard to get him on his staff with the Lions. The Redskins ended up beating him out for that hire, but there was major interest from Mariucci, multiple league sources said.

Want another connection? Executive vice president Vinny Cerrato. Cerrato worked with Mariucci in SF and as the Redskins put in a press release about Cerrato's promotion last week, he is very influential in this process. Cerrato "loves" Mariucci, two NFL sources said. (Mariucci may have some concerns about Washington's current personnel structure, according to two of his former assistants, but no job is perfect and in the end money talks).

Mariucci has been under contract to the NFL Network, but all those deals have out-clauses to pursue coaching gigs. Also, in recent weeks the plane Snyder has used to conduct the coaching searches has been tracked multiple times to LAX, neat the NFL Network set, and then later to cities still involved in the playoffs, in some cases where the NFL Network was using a live set with Mariucci included.

The Redskins could have had lengthy conversations with him in recent weeks, and Cerrato would have been the perfect point man to set it all. He could have easily signed off on the decisions. And, like we said, those two coaches also work for Fassel. So that's a win-win.

"Those are hires I think Mooch would be very comfortable with," said one of his former assistants. "That makes perfect sense. And I know Steve wants to get back into coaching, because this is the last year of his Detroit contract (Mariucci was fired with two years left on his deal with Detroit, earning $11 million from the team in the process). That makes perfect sense."

One NFL GM, after studying the consecutive hires of Zorn and Blache said: "It all points to Mariucci. It's like you're starting a Washington branch of the West Coast family. Look at the coordinators. Then you've got Vinny who could put it together. That's viable. That's something I think you could sell.

"He's a likeable guy, he's had success, been to the playoffs, you can trace him back to Bill Walsh. I think you could sell that package to the fans and everybody's comfortable. That's what I think he's trying to pull off."

Another former player of Mariucci's, who also has ties to the Redskins, said: "Mooch can talk the talk. He knows how the sell this. He could interview his (backside) off."

One of Mariucci's former assistants who goes all the way back to their college coaching days, said: "Steve's personality, the out-going manner, the way he interacts with people, that would be a perfect fit for Snyder."

A league source who has interacted significantly with Snyder and Mariucci said: "I know he would be very attracted to Steve. Steve's got that big smile, he loves to (BS). He's the kind of guy Snyder could put his arm around and buddy around with."

Two of Mariucci's former players also pointed out the similarities between the teams he had in San Fran and this Redskins team. Both have lots of veteran leadership and have a playoff pedigree, and, like Gibbs, he puts a lot of trust in his players. With the 49ers he ran a "Dirty Dozen" of 12 player representatives that met with him weekly and had a significant say in setting up routines, practices, chemistry issues, etc. Sounds an awful lot like Gibbs's Leadership Counsel right there (look at that Skins, I'm doing some homework for you. You can add this the whole "continuity" vibe should you unveil Mooch as coach someday).

Then, let's think about the word the Redskins made clear again yesterday in their press release about no coach until after the Super Bowl. Well, sure they can, and likely will, interview some coaches involved in the game, but Mariucci is contractually obligated to work that game as well - he's out in Arizona working for the NFL Network right now - so there's another connection.

Hey, this could be a wasted exercise for all of us. All these weeks chained to my keyboard and Blackberry surely warped me in many ways. Fassel is certainly a guy they are behind, and who knows if they pull a trump card like Pete Carroll or Bill Cowher out at the last second, but I highly, highly, highly doubt that.

So, what do you guys think?


PS - Forgot to include this in the original post. After Gibbs retired the other teams conducting coaching searches - three at the time - held strategy meetings to see how Snyder's involvement might impact their lists of candidates, timetables, etc. At least one of those three other teams conducted lengthy internal meetings to that end and came away with an organizational belief that Snyder would try to land a "big fish" - I.e. Cowher or Carroll, but that those guys weren't budging for the Washington job and had too many concerns about personnel, etc. So ruling them out this team concluded that Snyder would either hire Gregg Williams or Steve Mariucci. Maybe those guys knew what they were talking about.

PPS - Best episode of The Wire ever last night. McNaulty off the deep end entirely. Prop Joe is gone. Omar back with a vengeance. Killing off Joe (and Hungry Man to a lesser degree) - especially with Cheese of all people giving Prop up and Marlo the new undisputed king of slinging - is like killing off any semblance of the old-school "code" in the game. Any shred of ethics on the corners is gone. That show is beyond real. I already miss it and there's like 4 episodes left. Every scene is epic.

By Jason La Canfora  |  January 27, 2008; 9:47 PM ET
 
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Posted by: skinfanman | January 27, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: rickyroge | January 27, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

BONG!

Posted by: bigmurf08 | January 27, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

BONG!

Posted by: leevi98 | January 27, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

HIT!

Posted by: leevi98 | January 27, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

I don't know what to think, Meeks, Fassel, Mariucci??? I'm glad they're taking their time.

Posted by: rickyroge | January 27, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

I would like that...I think he would be a great coach for this team...That would be just fine with me.

Posted by: leevi98 | January 27, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Steve Mariucci.

No. God NO.

NO.

I hope you're taking out your hatred for your job on us by saying this.

It can't be true.

Posted by: makalb18 | January 27, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Nice work JLC. Mooch would be a good hire and would calm down the masses.

Posted by: boot1 | January 27, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

hmmm you paint an interesting picture. like it better than fassel....

still would like to see a young turk get it me self

Posted by: clawrence | January 27, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Nobody can win in Detroit so it's hard to hold that against him.

Posted by: skinfanman | January 27, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

now I really am confused. thanks! Ha Ha Ha

Posted by: sodier1 | January 27, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

I would take Mooch over Fassel in a minute.

Our D would likely run a similar system with Blache, and our O needs some help - maybe Mooch is the guy?

Who knows?......

But Fassel would suck more than running out of.........you got it :

BONG!

Posted by: bigmurf08 | January 27, 2008 10:02 PM | Report abuse

sounds better than fassel

Posted by: krobertc2005 | January 27, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

wtf just give us russ grimm

Posted by: kippydoodle62 | January 27, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: skinfanman | January 27, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

I wonder who fans would want other than "Saint" Greg Williams...there's no pleasin' the masses Danny...keep looking and hire who you feel is the best candidate.

Posted by: rickyroge | January 27, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Mariucci might work better with Zorn, but Grimm would work better with Bugel, Breaux, Burns, Simmons and Byner.

Posted by: skinfanman | January 27, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

darn rickrouge are you Snyder's kid or something. your like smithers to his mr. burns...

Posted by: clawrence | January 27, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

I would actually support Mooch. Watch him all the time on the NFL Network and he's a great guy.

They still should have hired Williams, though...at the very least treated him like a human being.

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 27, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Definitely sounds interesting. Very interesting.

Posted by: RedskinsWarpath | January 27, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

At this point, would any hire not draw ridicule from the masses? Real Redskin fans should wait and see what happens. There are enough people laughing at Dan Snyder no matter what he does without us doing it too. Let Len Pasquerelli do the Redsking bashing and lets not make things worse...

There are good assistant coaches in place already. The head coach isn't all that important anyway. Gibbs was too old and cautious, so how much worse could anyone else be?

Posted by: oldcameras | January 27, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: skinfanman | January 27, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Look i love Grimm, been posting for a year that he should be the guy. In a perfect world he is hired Monday at 3 PM.

Butt it ain't happenin, lets forget it so we won't be dissapointed.

Posted by: clawrence | January 27, 2008 10:10 PM | Report abuse

I would take mooch over Fossil for some strange reason. I doubt the giants DC will take the job b/c of Blache and Bill B won't let his prize pupil come work a JackA** like snyder.

Cowher won't come out of retirement for to a team that aleady has OC and DC. I just Dan and Vinny stay smart with the draft picks and $.

Posted by: stivic | January 27, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Remember, if player and fan sentiment controlled head coaching hires, Terry Robiskie would have gotten the job...

Posted by: oldcameras | January 27, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

"Executive vice president Vinny Cerrato. Cerrato worked with Mariucci in SF and as the Redskins put in a press release about Cerrato's promotion last week, he is very influential in this process."

Yeah, they go back to SF and I have heard this one as well Jason.

IFFF hey hired Mariucci, I would have no problem with that. As someone else pointed out, no one can succeed in Detriot.

"That's something I think you could sell."

I agree and I think Redskins fans would probably be more relieved then excited, but Mooch is definately better then Fassel or some other shlub.

Any day, any week.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 27, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Chewing....

tastes like...

Sh!t or chicken but better than the vomit that Fassel produces.

Posted by: bangkokben | January 27, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Why are the not interviewing Mike Singeltary?

Posted by: F0X | January 27, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

oldcameras (what Nikon, poloroid?)

I dont get you types that champion Snyder over Gibbs....that just floors me.....

And who knows maybe Robiske would have kicked azz.......ya never know!


Posted by: clawrence | January 27, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Mooch would be an upgrade over Fassell. Goosh, Robiskie would be an upgrade over Fassell!

Posted by: joeboggs | January 27, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

"How about we take a moment to examine someone whose names has not been publicly linked to the job yet."

I actually did read this rumor somewhere else Jason, but it wasn't something that could have been verified.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 27, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

My little bro, BRyAn LaRrY has been screaming for mooch for a week now, but I don't think he is a credible source....

clawrence = cHrIs lArRy

Posted by: clawrence | January 27, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse

JLC - good piece and certainly an interesting theory.

I am not as down on Fassel as some of us, but I think Mooch is probably a better choice, and one that makes more sense given the coordinators VinnyDAN have chosen.

Interesting.

Posted by: RedBee | January 27, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Yes, and public and player sentiment would have had Bill Austin hired in 1969 too. Wait and see what happens. You may be surprised at life after Gibbs...

Posted by: oldcameras | January 27, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

What about Russ Grimm? He's got the experience with the Gibbs system, certainly would please the fans and has the tact to make a difficult situation as best as it could be. I think he'd jump to be a head coach, even with the OC and DC already decided. Bugel and the other Gibbs coaches woud be ecstatic. Why not at least interview him?

Posted by: tom | January 27, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

The public wanted nothing to do with Terry Robiskie. Stop revising history! The public was absolutely ticked off at the owner for destroying any chance we had at the playoffs that year.

Posted by: bangkokben | January 27, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

No...I'm not Snyder's kid! I just like to bring a little logic to the insanity. Why should I rip the owner for not hiring who we think he should hire? And again...you and probably half these bloggers wanted Greg Williams azz in a sling two years ago. I'm just trying to weed out the "fake" fans.

Posted by: rickyroge | January 27, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

I like Mooch better than Fassel! I wonder what Bloyd thinks about all of this?

Posted by: Down777866 | January 27, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

The Mariucci thing makes a lot of sense, actually. At this point, I don't know exactly what I think about it. After all, Mariucci inherited a team in SF with a Super Bowl pedigree and managed to maintain a pretty good degree of success even with all the salary cap problems. And there will certainly be enough salary cap problems with the Redskins over the next several years. But then there's the whole Detroit fiasco...

I guess, on balance, hiring him might be the best of a bad bunch of options right now.

Posted by: acoberst | January 27, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

i've been thinking there has to be a secret candidate. The Danny does not like people to know what he's thinking. And Mooch would be a great fit with the Danny AND Washington. I would take this over any possibility currently out there unless he pulls cowher out of his a**. Spurrier is the only coach he's hired that we heard about until right before it was official.

Posted by: gmm26 | January 27, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

I personally think Ron Meeks will get the job, if Dan Snyder is testing the wind with his choice before making it. I don't think he'd see any groundswell of outrage at a minority candidate.

Posted by: oldcameras | January 27, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

It is really sad, but I am well beyond caring anymore. Tired of little hitler playing games with good people like Williams.

It would have been refreshing to see the organization show some class after the tough season the coaches, players and even the fans endured this year. No doubt, a bit too much to ask.

Still need a GM, as no coaching hire will make a difference in the long run. As far as I gather, the team still lacks any long-term plan. Been running on the future is now, and pissing away cap space for 10 years now.

Posted by: creativefunk | January 27, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

WOW, JLC.....if this turns out to be true,you da MAN!!!

It sounds a little Oliver Stone.....however.....would not put it past Danny Boy and Vinnie "The Weasel" Cerrato...I would like to see the Mooch experiment in Washington, seems like a smart and charismatic HC...better then Fassel, who I am sure is a nice guy and a good coach, but we got so used to hating him when he was with the Giants that it is hard to think of him as a Redskin.....Damn u Snider if you hire Mooch I am forced to use my season tickets to look at the car crash once again...you EVIL GENIOUS!!!!!!!!

Posted by: darvgr | January 27, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

F0X, I agree with you? Why are they not interviewing Mike Singletary? He's a master motivator.

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 27, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

"you and probably half these bloggers wanted Greg Williams azz in a sling two years ago. I'm just trying to weed out the "fake" fans."

Yo Rickrouge,

What are you thr "Redskins Fan Police" who annointed you that role jag off? I never called for Williams head, nor did I scream that he be annointed the HC. But your grovelling at Snyder's for the last three days is getting beyond gross, your "Please sir may I have another cup of your siht gruel" schtick it getting stale.

People are allowed to disagree, Snyder wasn't annointed by Gawd. Actually he is the same as you, me and the rest of us fan(atics) who just happened to earn enough money in Pyrimid schemes to be able to buy the team.....

Posted by: chrislarry | January 27, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

I think Grimm at least deserves an interview. However, his situation was similiar to GG in that many people thought that he would get the job in Pitt. after Cowher but was never considered. Why?

Posted by: joeboggs | January 27, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

I think Marucci would be a much better hire than Fossel. But, that said, I agree with those of you who think that Grimm would be the wise choice. I think as others have said that it would help the team continue on the path Gibbs started and would be bringing back a guy who just a year ago was considered one of the hottest coaching prospects in the league to where he made a name for himself in football, which would do a lot to make me happier at the awful way Snyder has handled this whole process.

Posted by: rawk | January 27, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

this is my only issue i agree Mooch is a better candidate than Fassel but what iam getting at is this yes the defense is there i sthe the type of coach that likes to have strong defenses just like Gibbs did that is the onlt issue i have with Mooch yes he's a offensive coach at the same time you need stong defenses to make your team better

Posted by: rmnkevorkian | January 27, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Don't know about Steve M. but think Fassel and Meeks and even the Giants/Pats coordinators are nothing more than smoke screens and that DS will probably come up with someone as HC who has not been part of the public process. That, for sure, is his style. Jason may be right; there has to be some previous West Coast connection and the fact that Vinny and Steve M. worked together in SanFran is huge.

Posted by: n6797p | January 27, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Let's just hire Otis the Town Drunk and be done with it. I can't take it anymore.

Posted by: austin987654 | January 27, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

"....DS will probably come up with someone as HC who has not been part of the public process."

Well, Gibbs was a complete surprise four years ago wasn't it?

As someone else said above, I could care less anymore....it just better NOT be Fassel. If you're gonna hire that guy you may as well bring in Billick or someone like that.

Fassel is NOT the answer by any stretch. I could live with Mooch.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 27, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Mooch would be an okay hire. I still think Fassel is not as bad a hire as the masses have made him out to be. Anyone who can get to the Super Bowl with Kerry Collins at QB is not a complete disaster.

Posted by: ethanlj | January 27, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Sometimes I think you are a nutcase, Jason, but this really makes a ton of sense. I am very impressed by the case you have made.

Posted by: wpost7 | January 27, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Damn chrislarry...must you curse me? You're right people are allowed to disagree, but aren't people allowed to agree with owner too......d_ckhead...I threw that in to keep you honest.

Posted by: rickyroge | January 27, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who can get to the Super Bowl with Kerry Collins at QB is not a complete disaster.

Posted by: ethanlj | January 27, 2008 10:36 PM

They did get the Super Bowl but they had to win their last 7 I believe. During that season they blew a lot of games and they let many slip away late just like what we do now.

Posted by: joeboggs | January 27, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

As Sam Huff would say, this is getting interestinger and interestinger.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 27, 2008 10:43 PM | Report abuse

George Michael should be head coach.......
YAH TRICK YAHHHHHHH

Posted by: jjed56 | January 27, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

darn you JLC. Don't toy with us!

Posted by: zyvo23 | January 27, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Orton is still champ.

Posted by: gmr4874 | January 27, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

I too am seriously losing interest in the coaching search. But JLC's longest non-Sean Taylor post in recently memory.

Fassel having lost the Giants' players for a decent portion of a season is what still troubles me about this selection.

Posted by: PapsinManila | January 27, 2008 11:01 PM | Report abuse

I'm with ya, Paps. It's grueling, isn't it?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 27, 2008 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Something Else To Chew On
The Washington Post says it will be at least a week until they tells us who the new Redskins blogger is and I know that's way too long for you all to spend dissecting the blogging career of Jason La Canfora. How about we take a moment to examine someone whose name has not been publicly linked to the job yet.

Ready?

You sure?

Len Pasquarelli.


How would that go over?

Hey! in the spirit of rumor in lieu of news, let me be the second entrant into rumor-mongering.

Jeez JLC. Your lack of creativity in the rumring arena is sad. You need to do a backdoor rumor for it to have credibility. Tell us that your sister, the realtor, has been showing houses in western Loudoun county to the Mooch.

Call me, I'll teach you the ways of creative and credible rumor mongering. In the meantime, leave rumors to the professionals.

Posted by: bambijihad | January 27, 2008 11:08 PM | Report abuse

They MUST interview Russ Grimm. I'm a Redskins fan that lives in Phoenix and, although you probably can't tell from their record, Grimm has done wonders with this Cardinals team, especially in changing the culture and attitude of this team. In large part to Grimm, the Cardinals are only going to get better and better. He's a true Redskin that we could all live with as Head Coach. He's a great leader and a winner! At least interview the guy and see what he has to say.

Posted by: bronco7799 | January 27, 2008 11:08 PM | Report abuse

I could certainly live with Mooch. And I'm warming to the idea of Fassel a little, but only a little, and only because they're keeping Blache and Bugel.

Good work, JLC. Even if it isn't true, it's good detective work.

Posted by: lordtwang | January 27, 2008 11:09 PM | Report abuse

Steve's a much better choice than some of the others I've heard but at least give Russ a shot. Still hate the living fossil.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 27, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Cena wins the royal rumble

Posted by: gmr4874 | January 27, 2008 11:15 PM | Report abuse

Mooch is a good choice. Not a WOW choice. I am still rooting for Meeks.

Posted by: mdvj | January 27, 2008 11:15 PM | Report abuse

This is what RI is all about. Brilliant work, Jasno. I love it!

I totally buy the Mariucci connection. When I first read this, I thought no way, pie-in-the-sky. But after all the connections JLC lists, I am starting to buy that this is a real possibility, especially with the Cerrato-Mariucci relationship. And the secrecy of everything, the fact that we have not heard ANYTHING about Mariucci up to now, makes it seem a little more likely that something could be up behind the scences. Synder has a thing for drama, which I can't say is bad (remember the thrill hearing about Gibbs coming back, after all that was done in secrecy?).

Bravo JLC!

If nothing else, this whole drama has been completely riveting. Even though I completely despise the way Williams was handled - really classless, I think, on the part of Snyder.

Posted by: hithere1 | January 27, 2008 11:17 PM | Report abuse

Mooch would be a very, very good hire.

Posted by: tjzukoski | January 27, 2008 11:20 PM | Report abuse

does anyone know the address to redskins park so i can send dan the bill to fix my wall after i punched a whole in it...never thought i would do it in the offseason, thanks dan.

Posted by: grizlies98 | January 27, 2008 11:22 PM | Report abuse

I would be pro-Mooch
Very definitely anti-Fossil

Posted by: JustMe | January 27, 2008 11:22 PM | Report abuse

I really hope that youre onto something JLC... Changes where they are needed (offense) continuity where things are working (defense). Mooch is a proven coach, who knows how to work with young QB's. What else could the fans expect, short of wholesale changes (along with 2-3 years of growing pains and top 10 draft picks) under someone like Cowher?

The offense needed to be revamped, but already has significant tools in place. Campbell will have to learn another new system, but the WC system is kindergarden compared to Saunders' and these guys know what they are doing. It would be a very very solid hire under the circumstances! Definitely makes more sense than Meeks, Fassel, or anyone coaching in the Patriot Bowl...

Posted by: castro1234 | January 27, 2008 11:29 PM | Report abuse

Ah, crap. I smell another post from our resident ombudsman.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 27, 2008 11:36 PM | Report abuse

It seems Skin fans are never happy who the coach is. Thats whack.

Posted by: tjzukoski | January 27, 2008 11:41 PM | Report abuse

The latest from Bram...which ironically ties into JLC's latest thread....

*******

"You can't defend firing Gregg Williams and promoting Greg Blatche. So I guess what is being said is "we like the defense, we just don't like the guy who was responsible for it."
Doesn't every workplace include someone who despite being a blowhard happens to be too valuable to get rid of? I call that person, Bill Parcells, Bill O'Reilly, or Bill Belichick. On second thought, maybe need to hire someone named Bill.
That statement would suggest Gregg is the second coming of somebody. Far from it. But he might have been. All I am merely suggesting is not everyone has Joe Gibbs demeanor. And sometimes we have to sacrifice the notion of hanging out at Happy Hour with the boss.

Let me see if I have a full grasp of where the Skins stand as of right now. They don't have a head coach but they do have a two coordinators, one replaces the lead candidate who's been ushered out of the running despite a lack of a better Gibbs successor. This makes sense to who?
So is anyone of any merit going to accept this job now that they will be told they'll have little to no say in personnel and certainly no say in who their staff is? That seems backwards to me, but I'm no Bill.

Do you like watching people feign happiness? Then wait till you see the smiles on the faces of the Snyder/Cerrato/New Coach in waiting the day of the eventual press conference naming this person head coach in charge of everything and nothing all at the same time..
So who has the 10 million dollar smile? I'd go with Steve Mariucci, he certainly could pull off the role and besides, could this situation be worse then Detroit?
Don't answer that..
Or my NY friends posed this one, what's the bigger disaster, The Skins or the Knicks?
Don't answer that one either.."

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 27, 2008 11:43 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: skinfanman | January 27, 2008 11:48 PM | Report abuse

he drew the 30 spot and eliminated HHH at the end

Posted by: gmr4874 | January 27, 2008 11:48 PM | Report abuse

I don't have the pleasure of listening to ole' Bram up here in NYC, but he sures sounds like a blow-hard....

But does seem like the media insiders are all startin to squak about Mooch...intersante...

oh yeah and F Bill O'Reilly, no one needs that tool around...

Posted by: chrislarry | January 27, 2008 11:50 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like Bram, John Clayton, Chris Mortensen, and Adam Schefter all need their own personal Ombudsmans as well. Everyone is reporting that the 'Skins have been all over the map throughout this whole process.

But that just can't be the case!

Where is our Ombudsman? Someone light up the Ombudsman Signal!

Posted by: PDiddy | January 27, 2008 11:50 PM | Report abuse

And tjzukoski why 7you still griping sounds like the reaction up here to the Mooch theory has been pretty positive, maybe your constant whining about those of us not 100% toeing the Snyder line is getting whack...


who knows, just thought hombre

Posted by: chrislarry | January 27, 2008 11:52 PM | Report abuse

Now we talking

Posted by: suliman007_4 | January 27, 2008 11:53 PM | Report abuse

As a coach Meeks has been to the SB with Atlanta, St Louis, and the Colts.

Posted by: skinfanman | January 27, 2008 11:55 PM | Report abuse

I think Jasno got a little money under the table from Dan Snyder on this one. They want to gauge the interest from the fan base after leaving Fassel at the altar last week.

I like the idea. Mooch has a lot of respect around the league and is definitely knowledgeable. As someone said, you can't count Detroit. I love Matt Millen (helped the 'Skins in '91), but he is the only GM/football operations guy more dysfunctional than the V-anny duo. That dude picked a WR in the first round for like, 87 straight years!

One question I had: how would the West Coast affect Portis? But hopefully they could utilize him the way Green Bay did with Grant this year, or Seattle did with Alexander in '05.

Fassel is not a bad guy - I just wasn't sold on him. This, I could definitely buy.

Posted by: jwlemons | January 27, 2008 11:55 PM | Report abuse

It has been positive but still people complain. I have never lived in DC and it seems Skins fans are never happy. There were positives things to say about Mooch. Thats right.

Posted by: tjzukoski | January 27, 2008 11:56 PM | Report abuse

Funny.....ExtremeSkins also posted JLC's thread and the bloggers there are all positive about Mooch...

Your popularity is growing Jason...remember when ES hated you? :)

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 27, 2008 11:59 PM | Report abuse

Meeks can coach his ass off. That's the man for this job.

Posted by: mdvj | January 28, 2008 12:02 AM | Report abuse

Here we goooooo again!

SHABINGUS!

You guys have been BYGO all weekend. I can't handle another week of this insanity. The offseason may be our super bowl, but I'm getting fatigued way too soon.

Posted by: Dorf | January 28, 2008 12:05 AM | Report abuse

If Mooch gets hired He is a very good leader and they Skins would have a good offense.

Posted by: tjzukoski | January 28, 2008 12:05 AM | Report abuse

What you think about Mooch Lisa? I think he would be a good fit for this team...I've alwasy liked his style of coaching when he was with the 49ers...of course like mentioned before "can't blame him for detroit" I mean MArtz was just fired there. Any I would be excited about a Mocch surprise

Posted by: leevi98 | January 28, 2008 12:05 AM | Report abuse

I like Mooch

Posted by: steviej1964 | January 28, 2008 12:05 AM | Report abuse

Mariucci loves to talk and he loves to hear himself talk. That may run counter to the kinds of players on the current roster.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 28, 2008 12:06 AM | Report abuse

I like Mooch... or Grimm.

Please not Fassel!!!

Posted by: natsfn1 | January 28, 2008 12:06 AM | Report abuse

Mooch is Fassel... Please Lord I cant take this much longer "Playoffs?" "Playoffs?"

Posted by: kilmer55 | January 28, 2008 12:10 AM | Report abuse

BTW, I love Mariucci. Just saying...

Posted by: PDiddy | January 28, 2008 12:10 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Alan4 | January 28, 2008 12:10 AM | Report abuse

Leevi, I watch Mooch on the NFL Network all the time and I love him..he's such a great guy. I don't know about the coaching side of it but I definitely prefer him to Fassel.

But I will never forgive Snyder for creating this debacle - not that he cares at all...

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 28, 2008 12:13 AM | Report abuse

Alan4, CLASSIC PIC

Posted by: tjzukoski | January 28, 2008 12:13 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins almost have to hire an offensive head coach -- I'm not sure Zorn is ready to be OC -- given his comment about being the quarterback coach for Campbell.. Mariucci and the West Coast offense would be exciting to watch in Washington. It has certainly worked well for Philly.

The question is what happens to the offensive players? Which players would fit best in a west coast offense?

Posted by: siris | January 28, 2008 12:15 AM | Report abuse

Or my NY friends posed this one, what's the bigger disaster, The Skins or the Knicks?

I am a Knick fan and its not even close. The Knicks are awfullllllllllllllllllll.

Posted by: tjzukoski | January 28, 2008 12:16 AM | Report abuse

Not that it means a heaping pile of rhino turd, but here is my ranking:

1. Grimm: Not a chance in Hades this is happenin, but still my number 1

2. Meeks: I like me the idea of a young buck fresh meat!

3. Mooch: Hey I will admit, I am intrigued

4. Spags: Is he the next Del Rio, Fischer Tomlin? Maybe..just maybe

5. Buges: Just cuz I love that ole' Cuss!

6. The Pats kiddie: Could be inspired, but he needs to cook longer and he aint takin it anywayz.

7. Me: I think I could do a hellova job!

8. Pdiddy: Hey the team flights would be a gas, and the cheerleaders would be nude

9. Nate: The team would be all warn n fuzzy , and name plays after pop culture reference "Hut Lea, Starsky on 2 Pavement, Wolverines..Hike"

10. Lisa: We need our squad to play with emotion right? This little firecracker would get these overpaid schlubs workin!

11. Fassel: I think you see where I am going with this....

Posted by: chrislarry | January 28, 2008 12:16 AM | Report abuse

This certainly seems plausible to me although they will need some bigger wrs we might even get something out of b lloyd now since he knows the west coast offense. I am not heart broken that saunders and williams are gone this tean has not lived up to it's potential recently so why stay with mediocrity. I hope they get him.

Posted by: anacostia85 | January 28, 2008 12:18 AM | Report abuse

I like Madden. Can Snyder pay him to un-retire?

Posted by: Alan4 | January 28, 2008 12:18 AM | Report abuse

jwlemons "One question I had: how would the West Coast affect Portis? But hopefully they could utilize him the way Green Bay did with Grant this year, or Seattle did with Alexander in '05."

Didn't Denever runa west coast stlye offense? Portis seemed to tear it up in that system. I'm not sure but I thought MS ran a west style...anyone know?

Posted by: leevi98 | January 28, 2008 12:19 AM | Report abuse

Big WRS IS A GOOD CALL. You need tall athletic receivers who can run and jump.
Its more flat to flat from a vertical offense.

Posted by: tjzukoski | January 28, 2008 12:20 AM | Report abuse

cHrIS lArRy, I think you should put Barno at #11, kick Fassel back a notch.

It would be fun to see Barno's press conference as he searches to room looking for.... The Beat Reporter!!!! :-0

Posted by: Alan4 | January 28, 2008 12:21 AM | Report abuse

Portis would be good back in it because catches the ball well. Denver uses the west coast with a Shanhan touch on it.

Posted by: tjzukoski | January 28, 2008 12:22 AM | Report abuse

tjzukoski I agree on Knicks. I am a Knicks fan as well...or used to be...that organization is indefensible...

If Skins are a Shabingus than the Knicks are "Shabingus Maximus"

Posted by: chrislarry | January 28, 2008 12:23 AM | Report abuse

chrislarry,

The Skins have been in the Playoffs. They have a good roster. The Knicks are light years away. And James Dolan is the worst owner in sports everrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

Posted by: tjzukoski | January 28, 2008 12:24 AM | Report abuse

Jason,
This is your best blog yet.

I really hope that this hypothesis of your is true. I would actually be glad to have Mooch as our next HC.

Much Kudos and Gold Stars if you call this one right.

Either way, you've given me some hope for the next week as I've been stewing over the Williams departure.

Posted by: nwoking | January 28, 2008 12:25 AM | Report abuse

I won't quibble with the assumptions but I don't see how West Coast Mooch is better than in-house G. Williams. At best, 2008 is a transition year for the offense. Maybe this is a good hire in three years but I'm not getting that vibe yet.

Posted by: shawndc1 | January 28, 2008 12:28 AM | Report abuse

No...I'm not Snyder's kid! I just like to bring a little logic to the insanity. Why should I rip the owner for not hiring who we think he should hire? And again...you and probably half these bloggers wanted Greg Williams azz in a sling two years ago. I'm just trying to weed out the "fake" fans.

Posted by: rickyroge

This guy is a tool for sure. Do not reply and make the PR staff get yet another name.

We can only hope for doom so they can get a GM or sell the team.

Sunders to Zorn
Willams to Blache

Good job so far.

Posted by: mul | January 28, 2008 12:29 AM | Report abuse

And then I see this:

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80649855

Posted by: Levinems | January 27, 2008 08:39 PM

**********************************

Levinems,

Thanks for posting that because I had not seen Schefter's report. LOL All I can do is laugh. If I didn't, I'm afraid my head might explode.

Posted by: JustMe | January 27, 2008 08:54 PM

This is super funny. You must watch.

Posted by: mul | January 28, 2008 12:30 AM | Report abuse

OHHMYGOD jason! what have they done to you? who cares? don't let snider do this to you. and i speak on the behalf of every fan no one is going to give a shti if snider pulled one out of the hat again or not. no one gives a shti! anymore! the ace of spade is no longer in the deck. heck none of the picture cards are in the deck anymore. all's left is junk.

so please get some rest and just report when snider actually reports the hiring of a new hc.

there is NO excitement, there is NO drama anymore. WHO CARES???? right skinsfans?

except for bootgate...
btw...no wonder brady doesn't have the time to do those idiotic commercials that the fraud II(would you like to guess who fraud I is no it's not shEli) does. have you seen his "new" supermodel girlfriend???? motherfckr! atleast we didn't see magic and wilt's girls...

ohh btw...i don't plan to adopt a new team like diddy either. i have no plans to adopt the panthers or the superchargers...i have just quit the nfl all together because my beloved team is kidnapped by an evil oger. after the superbowl i'm done nfl.

Posted by: dealer | January 28, 2008 12:31 AM | Report abuse

The Ombudsman is a fantastic choice for head coach. His nonsensical ramblings would make for a great Coors Light commercial.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 28, 2008 12:31 AM | Report abuse

Portis should be awesome in the west coast offense. There's lots of passing and the RB always seems to run or catch in space.

Think Brian Westbrook... Or Joe Montana, Rodger Craig, and Jerry Rice...

Posted by: siris | January 28, 2008 12:32 AM | Report abuse

Close, Jasno... close. It is an employee of the NFL Network, but it's not Mooch.
It's Snyder's favorite BIG SPLASH of all time: Dieon Sanders, Head Coach of the Washington Redskins.

Classy move, Dan.

But seriously folks...
Can we at least get rid of Burns and Beraux?

Posted by: jgarrisn | January 28, 2008 12:34 AM | Report abuse

Jason,
This is your best blog yet.

I really hope that this hypothesis of your is true. I would actually be glad to have Mooch as our next HC.

Much Kudos and Gold Stars if you call this one right.

Either way, you've given me some hope for the next week as I've been stewing over the Williams departure.

Posted by: nwoking

Ok there is no hope that is what they want us to think. See rickyroge giving Snyder props for the process. We had good coaches and they got rid of them (see washingtonpost.com). West cost in DC F that.

IF you know anything JC is not suited to the West Cost system. He goes deep the best.

Posted by: mul | January 28, 2008 12:34 AM | Report abuse

Hey, I'm not adopting a new team. I tried, and it's too hard to give up all those childhood memories and the happiness that comes from seeing the burgundy and gold smack the SJK out of the Cowboys.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 28, 2008 12:34 AM | Report abuse

Portis should be awesome in the west coast offense. There's lots of passing and the RB always seems to run or catch in space.

Think Brian Westbrook... Or Joe Montana, Rodger Craig, and Jerry Rice...

Posted by: siris

Go tuck Dan in for the night Vinny. Portis and westbrook are not the same players.

I will let the rest go as PR crap. Name good players and we will forget who is running the F team.

Posted by: mul | January 28, 2008 12:36 AM | Report abuse

Didn't Denever runa west coast stlye offense? Portis seemed to tear it up in that system. I'm not sure but I thought MS ran a west style...anyone know?

Posted by: leevi98 | January 28, 2008 12:19 AM

Yeah, they run a WC modification. The big difference though is their O-Line. Much smaller and athletic than ours and and Seattle's in '05. Plus, the Denver O-Line has that Zone Blocking Scheme that Portis wanted the 'skins to utilize more but they could never really hammer it down.

Posted by: jwlemons | January 28, 2008 12:36 AM | Report abuse

yeah it also time to phase sellers out of the offense and shift betts to fb he would be valuable catching out of the backfield.

Posted by: anacostia85 | January 28, 2008 12:38 AM | Report abuse

wha? Phase out Sellers are you insane? Look at Seattle's Off, is it any wonder their running game tanked after Mack Strong went down....Sellers is our Mack Strong...

Phase out Sellers...thats just stoopid!

Posted by: chrislarry | January 28, 2008 12:40 AM | Report abuse

diddy, i know. btw that link up...adam shefter says that skins met with pete carrol. LMGO!!! haa haa haaaaa... ummmm with vinny at the helm? i don't think so. only coaches they're gonna get with that type of front office setup are spineless, gutless, greedy, unemployed coaches.

Posted by: dealer | January 28, 2008 12:44 AM | Report abuse

Go tuck Dan in for the night Vinny. Portis and westbrook are not the same players.

I will let the rest go as PR crap. Name good players and we will forget who is running the F team.

Posted by: mul | January 28, 2008 12:36 AM

Hey mule (isn't that synonymous with ass)> Portis excelled in the West Coast offense in Denver, he had huge numbers, and he wasn't Westbrook then either.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 28, 2008 12:45 AM | Report abuse

add desperate to that list...

Posted by: dealer | January 28, 2008 12:45 AM | Report abuse

yeah it also time to phase sellers out of the offense and shift betts to fb he would be valuable catching out of the backfield.

Posted by: anacostia85 | January 28, 2008 12:38 AM

Are there just a bunch of morons on here tonight? (Besides me) Sellers did well catching out of the backfield this year. Or do I need to post the picture from the Detroit game this Year?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 28, 2008 12:47 AM | Report abuse

This makes a lot of sense. Question along some of the other thinking that has been posted - where many of the assistants are remaining here, at Gibbs request/recommendation. Would Gibbs have recommended Mariucci to Dan? If Gibbs is an adviser to Dan, how much clout does he really have? And how much of this would have been Gibbbs idea? I could live with this versus Fassel.

Posted by: swtrekker64 | January 28, 2008 12:49 AM | Report abuse

Mike Sellers was awesome last year. He is 270 pound full back and he can run after the catch. He may have to work on lateral lead blocking but up the gut he puts linebackers on the floor.

Posted by: tjzukoski | January 28, 2008 12:49 AM | Report abuse

s-cam 1975,

before you go breaking your arm patting yo own back, scroll up, I already defended Seller's honor, with I think a better arguement. Although your right he does catch some good balls...

so you and me bro, we laid the smack down on that lame post...but you ain't the only non-moron swingin soul up here!

Posted by: chrislarry | January 28, 2008 12:50 AM | Report abuse

I guess Mariucci would be fine, but I don't think it matters who we get at this point. The sense of hope and Redskins pride Gibbs restored to this team are being destroyed by this process. I think the BS that came out about Williams criticizing Gibbs was a PR ploy to attempt to reverse the huge fan outcry about passing over Williams, and it was pretty pathetic. Suppose Williams did criticize Gibbs? That would be a good thing. We need a coach who's not afraid to point to mistakes that were made, even by the almighty Gibbs. The last thing we need is a Snyder Yes-Man, because Snyder obviously knows nothing about football. Now that Gibbs is gone, Snyder is returning to his OCD, untrusting ways, firing those who actually stand a reasonable chance at turning things around, like Marty. From here on out, as long as Snyder still owns this team (and he's a young, greedy SOB, and the Redskins are the biggest cash-cow he will ever come to milk, so I will probably be long-dead before he sells his shares), we can expect more of the same off-season splashes and disappointing season endings - perhaps a playoff every once in a while, but the Redskins will NEVER go to the Super Bowl while that man owns the team.

Posted by: Reader1000 | January 28, 2008 12:50 AM | Report abuse

Seems like we need a proven winner - the stats say Mariucci has more losing seasons than winning ones. You are right, Dan and Vinny probably would love him though. Good research.

Posted by: jeffmcfarland | January 28, 2008 12:51 AM | Report abuse

Yes, better Mariucci than Fassel. You make a good case for him. If not one of those young assistants from the Giants or Pats, then Mariucci. We're sold. I hope there's something to it.

Posted by: olavsmith | January 28, 2008 12:51 AM | Report abuse

Go tuck Dan in for the night Vinny. Portis and westbrook are not the same players.

I will let the rest go as PR crap. Name good players and we will forget who is running the F team.

Posted by: mul | January 28, 2008 12:36 AM

Hey mule (isn't that synonymous with ass)> Portis excelled in the West Coast offense in Denver, he had huge numbers, and he wasn't Westbrook then either.

Posted by: scampbell1975

Ok the person who put that works for Dan, they also put Joe Montana. Westbrook is a pass catcher protis more of a running running back. If you check a few post up you will see the difference between Denver and the Redskins.

Go to sleep. Don't do the work of Dans PR people for them.

What do you think our recored will be in 2 years?

How do you like Vinny as GM?

Posted by: mul | January 28, 2008 12:54 AM | Report abuse

Reader1000,

To say the Redskins will never go to the Super Bowl as long as Snyder is the owner is crazy to say. Before Tom Brady came along Robert Kraft was hated in Boston. Now he is there favorite owner. Come on, thats crazy to say. Dont root for the team then

Posted by: tjzukoski | January 28, 2008 12:55 AM | Report abuse

For the record, kudos to whomever pulled out Shabingus again. it's spot on to describe this.

Second, does this HC rollercoaster really matter anymore? It's clear Danny and Cerato have decided on a system, decided on personnel, decided on the coordinators, decided on how much to jack up tix prices again, decided on everything EXCEPT the HC.

So when it comes down to it, we should just care about getting the chimp who has the best record of motivating the players and not having any brainfarts (esp. dealing with clock mgmt, red challenge flags and use of time outs). That said, I think I'd rather have Mooch than Fassel. But better yet, Grimm would fit really nicely ...

And let's not forget, by Danny and Cerato wielding control, they won't hesitate to can someone after 1-2 years of underperforming. It's not like we are signing over the team a la Holmgren or Parcells.

Posted by: PapsinManila | January 28, 2008 12:56 AM | Report abuse

Who remembers when Mooch was on the 49ers and he out coached fassel in that crazy playoff game?

Posted by: tjzukoski | January 28, 2008 12:57 AM | Report abuse


Who remembers when Mooch was on the 49ers and he out coached fassel in that crazy playoff game?

Posted by: tjzukoski

Ah Vinny is our GM. I don't matter.

Posted by: mul | January 28, 2008 12:58 AM | Report abuse

How is this team going to do in a West Coast offense? That doesn't sound like continuity to me.

Posted by: larryn | January 28, 2008 1:00 AM | Report abuse

Mul, my man mellow out! I am quickly becoming anti-anyone up here who is just being a hard-0n about the same point. I agree with you a bunch, but its football my man have some fun...

That said if you want a RB comparrison really should be looking at Seattle and S. Alexander rather than Westbrook. That is who Portis would be in the O Zorn might install. They also had a big O-line which we have, although not as talented. In addition as I said a few posts ago, the FB Mack Strong really made the running attack hum in Seattle. Sellers can fill that roll nicely.

Everyone talked about Alexander sucking this year, and he did, guess who was out for the year injured....Mack Strong.

Posted by: chrislarry | January 28, 2008 1:00 AM | Report abuse

Ah Vinny is our GM. I don't matter.,

Vinny picked most of these players on the team. Dont you get that.

Posted by: tjzukoski | January 28, 2008 1:00 AM | Report abuse

http://youtube.com/watch?v=mXrra91QSvU
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/40878/

Anybody wanting to get rid of Mike Sellars is foolish... which means I wouldn't put it past this organization. Didn't he hurdle somebody this year?

Posted by: jwlemons | January 28, 2008 1:00 AM | Report abuse

OK I think the PR went to bed.

T-Shirts ideas.

All I can think of is "Snyder sell the team". Or "Snyder sell the Skins"

Any other ideas I need to make some money.

Also color, white, green, or team colors.

Posted by: mul | January 28, 2008 1:01 AM | Report abuse

mul,

Snyder for President,,,lololol

Posted by: tjzukoski | January 28, 2008 1:02 AM | Report abuse

mul,

On the back, Now Sell the Skins,

Posted by: tjzukoski | January 28, 2008 1:03 AM | Report abuse

That is good. Very east cost.

Posted by: mul | January 28, 2008 1:03 AM | Report abuse

Yes,,,,Its catchy,.,.,

Posted by: tjzukoski | January 28, 2008 1:04 AM | Report abuse

Heya, blog.

cL, Mack Strong not only out injured for the year, the dude up and retired rather than risk a severe, life-altering injury. Spine or neck or something.

Anyway, aside from him (a great dude with a great name who played like you want 'em all to play), F the Shehawks. I liked them a little when I was a kid and they were in the AFC and they had never won anything and they had Kenny Easley from Tidewater VA. Now they're dead to me.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 28, 2008 1:19 AM | Report abuse

Maybe we should give Danny and Vinny the benefit of the doubt for one year- they have to have learned something in their jobs over the years right? LOL

If we don't go to at least the second round in the playoffs next year then Danny should sell the team in the name of "continuity". Go Skins!

Posted by: jeffmcfarland | January 28, 2008 1:20 AM | Report abuse

This story is not even worth commenting on! Sure after all Mariucci did for Detroit we just can't wait to get him here! Not even Dannyboy and idiot BBVinny are that stupid - surely.

Posted by: Jaymand | January 28, 2008 1:21 AM | Report abuse

And while we're at it, F Dan Snyder for making me cringe every time I open up the blog or see a teevee or turn on the sports radio station, wondering what latest embarrassment he may have wrought for my beloved franchise. Jerk.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 28, 2008 1:21 AM | Report abuse


I have never had the anger towards the skins I think ever. This is insane. We probably only have a dozen coaches who would work for snyder unless these recent hirings,firings and promotions are being dictated by the next already agreed upon head coach asked for this.The players can want whatever,bottom line is they are overpaid kids who have to deal with it. williams is at best a .500 coach knowing Danny Boy watch for a surprise high profile coach. who could we lure from the pats? Who is available that's worth crap? Mooch again is at most a .600 coach. right now the only person available that probably would be talking to snyder is grimm. what we really need have needed for years is a GM. Beathard was a huge reason we had a great run. I doubt it but i'm 51% grimm "WHERES GIBBS" Snyderatto need to go play at the park and leave the football to a real live GM till then we somehow will look dumber every year

Posted by: tammanyhall2109 | January 28, 2008 1:24 AM | Report abuse

tjzukoski,before Brady the Patriots went to the Super Bowl in Jan,1997 with Bledsoe.And why should anyone feel obligated to root for the Redskins when the owner is a complete jerk?I've watched them for 42 years,but he's sucked the fun out of it at this point.I'm looking forward to the baseball season,for we now have a team here with a system in place.They will be a winning organization before the Redskins.

Posted by: seanmg | January 28, 2008 1:24 AM | Report abuse

thanks nate, but would you not agree Portis/Sellers could be the Alexander/Strong in Zorn's offense?

Posted by: chrislarry | January 28, 2008 1:24 AM | Report abuse

Mooch was something of a wunderkind at SF but made the mistake of working in Detroit. I dunno about him as the next Skins coach, except that I am definitely in the "Mariucci > Fassel" camp. But I haven't shaken my numbness over this whole thing.

Could it be Meeks or somebody else? Does it even matter who gets the gig, with the Snyderrato clown car pulling up at the Park every day?

I'm rooting no matter what, but F not having a coach.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 28, 2008 1:24 AM | Report abuse

Here's another vote for Russ Grimm. Snyder needs to pay attention to Redskin's history if he wants to earn his fan's respect in how he plans its future. We have never been a West Coast offense team. We have been a smash-mouth Defense and Coryell offense team focused on a strong running game for the NFC East and deep playoff runs in cold weather. We are not trying to recreate San Fran in the 90s. That is a proud franchise, but it is not our franchise and Snyder should know better.

Russ G is what would do this city proud and earn the Danny some respect.

Posted by: ahutman | January 28, 2008 1:28 AM | Report abuse

cL, I am on record up here as being PRO-PORTIS and of course pro-Sellers. I love those dudes like they were my brothers. I want to see them stacked in that backfield for sixteen incredible successful games this fall. I want Clinton to run for 100 every game and for Iron Mike to catch six TDs. Yes I do. I believe in those two mofos.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 28, 2008 1:28 AM | Report abuse

I WISH Russ Grimm were in the mix, dudes, but we have no indication as yet that his phone has rung.

Redskins One picked up the wrong dude when it went to AZ!!! News flash! Fassel was sweeping the floor in the terminal and he slipped a roofie in Grimm's cocktail, and suddenly HE'S the frontrunner for the job. Barf.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 28, 2008 1:30 AM | Report abuse

Last call at 10:30 at the PDX bar? Good grief!! My flight leaves at midnight! Unconscionable!

There should be a law that the airport bar stays open until the last flight of the night starts boarding. I mean, come ON people!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 28, 2008 1:34 AM | Report abuse

why would grimm come here. he withdrew from the raiders job last year as al davis was offering the job. why would he want to ruin his name and become the dan's head henchman. i think he would be a grea hire for the skins but i hope for grimms sake it doesnt happen.

Posted by: matthewwmccarthy | January 28, 2008 1:36 AM | Report abuse

alright i am out, nate see ya tomorrow in the NYC!

Posted by: chrislarry | January 28, 2008 1:40 AM | Report abuse

Ruin his good name by coming back to be the head coach of the only team he ever played for? Come on, he would be hailed as a returning hero, and I believe he would have as good a chance as anybody to make lemonade out of these Snyderrato-brand lemons.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 28, 2008 1:41 AM | Report abuse

Aye aye, cL!

PDX representing in the NYC!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 28, 2008 1:42 AM | Report abuse

Hold up, is Jasno positing that there may be a second gunman on the grassy knoll, that Mooch may be a second mystery candidate?

(Pssst! I haven't actually read the entire post! Should I have?)

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 28, 2008 1:44 AM | Report abuse

Aaaaaaagh last call! Boo! BOOOOO! One more Alaskan Amber!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 28, 2008 1:46 AM | Report abuse

mariucci would be good for the skins. if you take away detroit where he was playing with millens team (great player, but even isiah and the knicks look good next to him)his record was 57-39, pretty stellar.

as for portis, if mooch can get 1400 yards from ricky waters and garrison hearst, imagine what he can do with a game breaker like cp. i think portis filled the role gibbs gave him very well the past 4 years, but he is a home run hitter, not a 4 yards and a cloud riggo type gibbs wanted him to be.again, to be clear, portis has been great but would have been in hawaii the past few if he was allowed to use his strengths instead of taking one for the team and playing a diff. role.

Posted by: matthewwmccarthy | January 28, 2008 1:47 AM | Report abuse

Nate, The Ombudsman will summarize it for us tomorrow.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 28, 2008 1:47 AM | Report abuse

Here's the problem - there's supposedly been all of these talks and visits with Mooch and yet there hasn't been any leaks whatsoever?

Possible - not likely.

Posted by: gdennie | January 28, 2008 1:48 AM | Report abuse

Seriously, wouldn't Mooch have been invited to interview by now? What on earth would they be waiting for?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 28, 2008 1:49 AM | Report abuse

This is insane! Snyder handles people poorly....

It makes me want to look for a new team to cheer for..

Gibbs took control of football, and people were treated fairly and right.

This process has killed my enthusiasm..

Posted by: cmanndc | January 28, 2008 1:50 AM | Report abuse

PDX needs a frickin' ombudsman, Diddy! Last call at 10:30pm! An outrage! Twos of people inconvenienced!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 28, 2008 1:50 AM | Report abuse

he would have as good a chance as anybody to make lemonade out of these Snyderrato-brand lemons.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 28, 2008 01:41 AM


he could make snyder lemonade better than most, your right, but why settle for lemonade when he can make delicious lemon merange pie with another non disfunctional front office next year?

Posted by: matthewwmccarthy | January 28, 2008 1:50 AM | Report abuse

What gdennie said!


Diddy, so how was Vegas??

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 28, 2008 1:51 AM | Report abuse

I totally dig where you're coming from, matthew. I really do. But I pine for someone to ride in on a white horse to save this mess like Coach Gibbs did four years ago. Because one thing is sure: Coach Gibbs ain't walkin' through that door.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 28, 2008 1:53 AM | Report abuse

Does it matter who signs on with the Redskins, It will be blown up shortly. The Washington Post is no longer a priority to be purchased because I am disgusted with Snyder and dont care to follow the team anymore. I can cancel my NFL ticket for the same reason as well as my yearly purchases of NFL magazines. Maybe the ripple down effect, if enough people do the same would wake up the powers that be that the fans do matter. Dont get excited about the team, just boycott them and maybe his Snyderness will get the message and sell the team. He's hurt enough people already and doesn't deserve any more chances. Mariucci, Meeks, Zorn, etc. etc. etc. dont come close to what we had, and abused. A QB coach doesnt come close to Saunders, and no one mentioned comes close to Williams, and they will all be disrespected and dumped shortly and the fans will suffer through another Danny and Vinny catastrophe.

Posted by: 1bmffwb | January 28, 2008 1:53 AM | Report abuse

Tedy Bruschi on the teevee screen above me.

F Tedy Bruschi. Let me be perfectly clear about that.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 28, 2008 1:54 AM | Report abuse

Mooch the Smooch > Fossil, i guess. Still wouldve rather had G-Dub or Russ Grimm.

Danny Boy...Oh Danny Boy.

At least this guy would charm that chump into submission for a while, even though the West Coast Off sucks for JC.

Posted by: wontime | January 28, 2008 1:57 AM | Report abuse

1bmffwb (a real mouthful, that!), do you really, really think you would be able to turn it off, like a light switch? Really, dude? I know I couldn't. And that's why I don't issue ultimata about changing my allegiance and getting new maps and like such as. It would be disingenuous. I yam what I yam.

As for subverting Snyder's ownership of the team, I would advocate it if I truly believed it would affect his dedication to continuing ownership of the franchise even one whit. But it won't. If anything, it will get his back up, and convince him to be MORE stubborn and MORE of all the things we hate about him.

We have to live in a world in which Dan Snyder owns the Redskins, and we have to plan for life in that world for, maybe, the rest of our days. Barf, I know. Barf. But that's the hand we've been dealt.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 28, 2008 1:58 AM | Report abuse

For those who continue to mention Russ Grimm... He was an all time great Redskin, not in the class of Jacoby, Lachey or Bostic, but a very good Hog indeed! He has been a sturdy OL coach for years here, with the Steelers, and now in AZ. So what? Does that make him head of the class for this search? What has he done that makes him a better candidate than Fasell (proven winning record) or Mooch (proven winning record)? The guy has interviewed for at least 2 other HC positions and was passed over each time. Maybe there's a reason...

When all of the smoke clears, Vinny and Dan will hire the man they think has the best chance to get us out of this rut. I've said it before, Joe Gibbs time here was mediocre at best. We needed some changes! I don't know about you, but 8-8, 9-7, one and done in the playoffs does nothing for me. Glory was not restored. Try and keep an open mind and lets see where this goes.

Posted by: castro1234 | January 28, 2008 1:59 AM | Report abuse

mariucci would be good for the skins. if you take away detroit where he was playing with millens team (great player, but even isiah and the knicks look good next to him)his record was 57-39, pretty stellar.


Oh yes Vinny > millen. God F It

Posted by: mul | January 28, 2008 2:02 AM | Report abuse

I see where you're coming from, castro1234, but I disagree. Yeah, I thought we'd be farther along by this season than we were. I also remain convinced that the best chance we had to do better next season was with Joe Gibbs as our head coach, which I firmly believed until he stunned us all by stepping down two weeks ago. So I guess the beer is taking hold of me because I can't really remember what point I had after that one. But it was a doozy! Really.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 28, 2008 2:03 AM | Report abuse

Wow, mul, you hit on something there. Vinny vs. Millen in a contest to determine "worst personnel boss inexplicably given what appears to be a lifetime pass to ruin an NFL franchise."

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 28, 2008 2:05 AM | Report abuse

Ok latest race for biggest fools.

Oakland Owner and Coach in mexican stand off over IF coach will 'quit' or is 'Caned'. Looks like Kiffin is coach next year. That is good.

Redskins - Make Vinny GM, hire OC and DC with no head coach. Stab DC in the back after emotional year on his way out the door. You know the rest.

F you Dan

Posted by: mul | January 28, 2008 2:06 AM | Report abuse

Wow, mul, you hit on something there. Vinny vs. Millen in a contest to determine "worst personnel boss inexplicably given what appears to be a lifetime pass to ruin an NFL franchise."

Posted by: NateinthePDX

Thanks,

T-shirts

Any Ideas?

Posted by: mul | January 28, 2008 2:08 AM | Report abuse

Glory was not restored. Try and keep an open mind and lets see where this goes.

Posted by: castro1234 | January 28, 2008 01:59 AM

Hear, hear. No matter how much we want to put a gold bow on it, there were problems. St. Joe does not get a free pass after the time out debacle and clock mismanagement this year ... its amazing what we are willing to forget after the Sean Taylor tragedy. But my guess Fassel, Mooch or GG would not have made those mistakes which could have been 1-3 more wins this year.

My biggest complaint about some of the past coaches even before St. Joe is letting the easy wins (or Q4 leads) slip away. I would be happy with any friggin coach who can hold leads and close out teams (hell, isnt this what every NFC East game comes down to?!)

Posted by: PapsinManila | January 28, 2008 2:11 AM | Report abuse

I love Joe Gibbs, but he was no saint, and was past his prime. He talked Ramsay up and then shut him down. He talked Snyder up and then look what happened. He couldn't manage the clock or play calling and was given a pass. His first two years the team with all its coaches could not put a disciplined cohesive team on the field. He chose Brunell who couldn't start for most college teams. He and all the other coaches held the team together this year and deserves credit for that. He will tell you what he wants you to hear, not necessarily the truth. He tried to protect his legacy. Without Williams defense, he would have been asked to step down earlier in his contract.

Posted by: 1bmffwb | January 28, 2008 2:12 AM | Report abuse

JLC,

How can Greg Blache going from "Defensive Coordinator of the Redskins" to "Defensive Coordinator of the Redskins" be considered a promotion?

Posted by: filmchis | January 28, 2008 2:14 AM | Report abuse

NateinthePDX, I love Joe G just like every true Skins fan. He's currently the only HC of the Skins worth remembering in my lifetime. The end of 2007 was exciting and he did a remarkable job holding the team together after the tragedy. All valid reasons why (as you point out) he would have been the best coach to take us into 2008. But, he's moved on and now we have to reflect on everything. The numbers show that his time here was fair at best, and I'm being generous. Look at all of the second half collapses, the bumbled calls, the play clock errors, etc, etc. Those are not Dan Snyder or Vinny issues folks...

All that I'm saying is that it was time for a change, and Gibbs knew it. In a way, maybe a big way depending on how this plays out, he did the organization a favor by pulling the plug a year early. Blasphamy I know. Snyder has hundreds of millions of dollars vested on the success of this team. He's consistently done everything he possibly could to build a winner here. Maybe his efforts will pay off this time??

Posted by: castro1234 | January 28, 2008 2:15 AM | Report abuse

ABF - Anyone Buf Fassel

Posted by: pat5387 | January 28, 2008 2:18 AM | Report abuse

Hear, hear. No matter how much we want to put a gold bow on it, there were problems. St. Joe does not get a free pass after the time out debacle and clock mismanagement this year ... its amazing what we are willing to forget after the Sean Taylor tragedy. But my guess Fassel, Mooch or GG would not have made those mistakes which could have been 1-3 more wins this year.

My biggest complaint about some of the past coaches even before St. Joe is letting the easy wins (or Q4 leads) slip away. I would be happy with any friggin coach who can hold leads and close out teams (hell, isnt this what every NFC East game comes down to?!)

Posted by: PapsinManila

You sound like Jla. You just can't smell the stench in Manila. Holy crap.

Good team getting better that is what gibbs left us. Saunders called the plays but now we have Zorn.

BTW Vinny and Dan are running the show now, have you heard the news.

Posted by: mul | January 28, 2008 2:19 AM | Report abuse

All that I'm saying is that it was time for a change, and Gibbs knew it. In a way, maybe a big way depending on how this plays out, he did the organization a favor by pulling the plug a year early. Blasphamy I know. Snyder has hundreds of millions of dollars vested on the success of this team. He's consistently done everything he possibly could to build a winner here. Maybe his efforts will pay off this time??

Posted by: castro1234 |

Oh no you Dihent.

"I'm saying is that it was time for a change" lets put Vinny in charge.

Dan has a PR department you don't have to do there job.

Posted by: mul | January 28, 2008 2:21 AM | Report abuse

1bff, I am one who can't stomach the Gibbs criticism, but I won't even attempt to argue that it's totally unfounded or out of bounds after his four middling years here. So go for it. Pile on the greatest coach in the franchise's history. How's it feel? Pretty good, right? And we're left with... oh right, we're left with whatever dude decides to come work for Snyderrato. Fan-freaking-tastic.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 28, 2008 2:22 AM | Report abuse

Good night dudes, I'll be logging on from the NYC sometime tomorrow.

-Nate, located in the Portland Airport

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 28, 2008 2:24 AM | Report abuse

Can there be redskins fans who do not understand what has happened?

We have been taken over by a crazed troll given a respite for 4 years and now it is on.

Posted by: mul | January 28, 2008 2:25 AM | Report abuse

I think the PR dudes only go till One.

The start up again around 7:30.

F U PR dudes

Posted by: mul | January 28, 2008 2:30 AM | Report abuse

I can think of only one person who could be both a big name Danny loves and the trust of Redskins fans everywhere, RUSS GRIM. I don't know if he fits with the coordinators we've hired or anything, but he has been a popular name thrown around for coaching searches the last couple years and is up for the Hall of Fame this year. Obviously he is a hog and would have the support of Redskins faithful. Plus he seems to be a pretty good coach. Have we looked at him at all? Why has his name not been mentioned?

Posted by: skins2001 | January 28, 2008 2:30 AM | Report abuse

Mul - just trying to keep an open mind because we are not bringing in a coach with the same level of control (and reverence) that Joe had. With Vinny now firmly in control of the roster, my anger will be directed in his direction next season.

Good team which was getting better, I agree. But they've blown up that momentum now, haven't they, with Saunders and GG out? Players are pissed and/or confused of what's next.

Posted by: PapsinManila | January 28, 2008 2:30 AM | Report abuse

nateinthePDX, unfortunately I think that you ignored the first paragraph of my post. Gibbs is it in my mind. Greatest Skins coach ever. Great run in the 1980's and I will never forget it! As for his return, the numbers do not lie. There's no "Gibbs bashing" in being honest it either. Funny thing is that I think he would be the first person on the planet to say the same thing. It was time for a change...

mul, try bringing a point. playing off of other posts has to get old after a while huh?

Posted by: castro1234 | January 28, 2008 2:35 AM | Report abuse

Vinny now firmly in control of the roster, my anger will be directed in his direction next season.

Vinny = Snyder that is one of many problems.

We would have liked GW or a good coach and try and keep GW.

Now no good coach will come here. Steve will just use us to bargin.

Posted by: mul | January 28, 2008 2:36 AM | Report abuse

No, I am Pissed so it does not get old. I am trying to keep the fire up here. When people make a post I try and show what it means. But that would mean defending VinnyDan.

Many PR people have been here all week trying to spin things. I know you are not a PR guy but lets wait and see will get us the same crap year after year.

Posted by: mul | January 28, 2008 2:40 AM | Report abuse

Jason Campbell = Pure West Coast QB????

If Mooch takes the job, there should be a draft day trade for Jeff Garcia

Posted by: chris.lawless | January 28, 2008 2:46 AM | Report abuse

Previously, Gibbs/Vinny/Dan all had input on the roster moves. Now with his promotion, its clearly Vinny's. Its his hot seat now. I will be the first one to call for Vinny's head if the roster moves and contract renegotiations go sour and we lose key guys.

Keep bringing the heat, Mul - but calling for Danny's head is pointless, IMHO. He owns the team and has built up a lucrative franchise. He is not going to sell it no matter how pissed we get about his FO personnel decisions. We all feel like we are (or deserve to be) Redskin shareholders, but we unfortunately are not.

Posted by: PapsinManila | January 28, 2008 2:51 AM | Report abuse

I have said before Dan can be pressured with the Green and public outcry (remember Marty) . Redskin fans are the smartest in the world ,on average, so just because other owners could hold teams hostege does not mean Snyder can.

Vinny and Dan have had a go. Bruce, carrier, Jeff F George I am going to puke now.

Now is your chance. Going from 1999 to 2004 and the last two weeks (Vinny was gone for a year under Marty). Make a case for Vinny as a GM. Don't just hope. Tell me Vinny is not just a yes Man that is a scout and no more. Tell me other teams would want him as a GM.

Posted by: mul | January 28, 2008 2:58 AM | Report abuse

FWIW (it's deja vu all over again):

A few thoughts on the Head Coach quandary -

It seems that if a coach currently with another team is being interviewed, word would get out because of the interview request/notification required. That would seem to eliminate the following coaches from consideration:

Bill Belichick
Mike Holmgren
John Gruden
Mike Shanahan
Russ Grimm

However, former coaches who are not currently in the NFL would not require the same notification, making it more likely that the "mystery candidate" comes from those ranks. That list might include such coaches as:

Dick Vermeil
Steve Mariucci
Denny Green
Art Shell
Bill Cowher
Pete Carroll
Kirk Ferentz

Another issue to be considered is that much of the press leakage regarding all interviewed candidates has been coming from those coaches' agents. Given that, it seems likely that the mystery candidate either: 1) doesn't currently have an agent; or 2) has told the agent to say nothing. Since #2 is less likely, it might be safe to eliminate the college coaches, since they generally have agents.

Taking those factors into consideration (or not), one of the following issues might be in play:

1) Bill Cowher keeps saying "no", but Snyder has a lot of money to try and change that to a "yes". Sure, Cowher looks like he is destined to go to Carolina next year, but given the right money and control and conditions, anything is possible.

2) Steve Mariucci is alleged to have conducted secret negotiations with the Arizona Cardinals last year regarding the Head Coach position that eventually went to Whisenhunt. There is no reason to believe he might not be doing the same thing again this year with the Redskins.

4) Gibbs and Vermeil also have a lengthy relationship in coaching. And it's hard to imagine more continuity in the offense than having Al Saunders working for Vermeil again, with Grilliams in charge of the defense as always.

In any case, it seems that whatever is going to happen will happen soon. This is a non-news week in the NFL, so as good a time as any for Snyder to make some kind of "plash".

Happy worrying!

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | January 21, 2008 06:48 AM

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | January 28, 2008 3:21 AM | Report abuse

More FWIW (it's like a virtual time machine!)

Coincidence? Maybe . . .

Before coming to Washington, Vinny Cerrato spent nine seasons with the San Francisco 49ers, including their Super Bowl XXX year in 1994. He joined San Francisco in 1991 as Director of College Scouting, helping to draft players including Ted Washington, Ricky Watters, Dana Stubblefield and Bryant Young. In 1995, Cerrato was promoted to Director of Player Personnel, overseeing all college scouting and draft activities as well as pro scouting of NFL players and opponents. Again, Cerrato made an impact as his drafts produced such standouts as Terrell Owens, Lee Woodall and Lance Schulters.

***

Steve Mariucci, 47, had a successful six-year head coaching tenure with the San Francisco 49ers. He compiled a 57-39 (.594) regular season record, while his teams earned playoff berths four times (1997, 1998, 2001 and 2002). Including postseason games, Mariucci's NFL coaching record stands at 60-43 (.583), and he has an overall mark of 38-14 (.731) at home.

Mariucci delved into the head coaching ranks at the Division I college level by leading the Bears football program at the University of California in 1996. His rather young program battled to a 6-5 record and earned a spot in the Aloha Bowl. As he implemented the West Coast system, the Bears offense averaged 457.6 yards per game, including a school record for passing yards (321.5 per game.)

While serving as quarterbacks coach in Green Bay from 1992-95, Mariucci supervised the day-to-day evolution of Brett Favre from traded back-up quarterback to an NFL superstar of success, durability and longevity. Favre started his amazing run of 173 consecutive starts at quarterback in 1992, which was Mariucci's first year in Green Bay. He coached Favre to three Pro Bowl nods (1992-93, '95 seasons) and to NFL MVP in 1995. Other quarterbacks Mariucci developed during that time included Mark Brunell and current Lions backup Ty Detmer.

The ability to generate an about-face turnaround under adverse conditions is essential while building a successful organization. Mariucci proved this quality as a coach by navigating an organization through a stormy period and returning it to a winner, and as a player when he commanded a winless college football program and quarterbacked it to a national championship.

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | January 21, 2008 07:21 AM

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | January 28, 2008 3:23 AM | Report abuse

DFIW (the last waltz)-

A final note:

Of those last four mentioned (Cowher, Mariucci, Holmgren and Vermeil), only Mariucci has not won a Super Bowl - yet.

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | January 21, 2008 06:53 AM

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | January 28, 2008 3:24 AM | Report abuse

As of the announcemnet last week, Vinny Ceratto is effectively the General Manager now. That will be a good thing as an end result if Snyder actually makes Vinny accountable for the final product. Vinny has probablt lobbied Snyder for years for this opportunity; now he has it - finally. Time to put up or shut up.

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | January 28, 2008 3:27 AM | Report abuse

I just don't buy all this talk of a mystery candidate. I think he will do the right thing for this team, after a tumultuous season, stick with continuity and name GG as the head coach ... doh.

Posted by: PapsinManila | January 28, 2008 3:30 AM | Report abuse

Just say NO to Fassel.

He got fired qas HC in NY because he "lost" the players (they tuned him out).

He lost his OC job in Baltimore because the offense sucked.

The Redskins' new Head Coach needs to keep the team focused and heading in one direction, as they were late in 2007. And the offense needs to continue to make positive strides in 2008 - going backward is unacceptable.

Just say NO to Fassel.

Fassel? No.

Fassel? No!

Fossil??? NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | January 28, 2008 3:32 AM | Report abuse

I just don't buy all this talk of a mystery candidate. I think he will do the right thing for this team, after a tumultuous season, stick with continuity and name GG as the head coach ... doh.

Posted by: PapsinManila | January 28, 2008 03:30 AM

That would be good, Paps, except that Dan Snyder told GG to hit the road on Saturday. (You do know that, don't you?)

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | January 28, 2008 3:35 AM | Report abuse

After all this time, Jasno's typos appear to be sinking in at this end. :|

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | January 28, 2008 3:37 AM | Report abuse

Ah, you missed the inherent sarcasm of my paraphrasing the general sentiment of this blog about 7 days ago ...

Posted by: PapsinManila | January 28, 2008 3:39 AM | Report abuse

LOL Paps - I thought you were kidding but couldn't be sure, given your distance from Ground Zero in Ashburn, Va.

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | January 28, 2008 3:45 AM | Report abuse

More from the "Interesting Facts" file (and pieced together from about 14 different info sources), FWIW:

Steve Mariucci, as coach of the 49ers, apparently had minimal input in personnel matters as a Head Coach. Bill Walsh was his General Manager until 2000. Terry Donahue was the GM following Walsh, beginning in 2001. Mariucci's demise as Head Coach apparently resulted from a dispute with 49ers management/ownership after the 2002 season, specifically his role with regard to personnel issues.

Mariucci had a good relationship with Walsh (who hired Mariucci). However, Donahue was an outsider who was brought in to replace Walsh, and his relationship with Mariucci was not as solid. The dispute which Mariucci lost after the 2002 season was primarily with Donahue.

The relationship between Mariucci and Vinny Ceratto appears to be good, according to all reports.

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | January 28, 2008 3:56 AM | Report abuse

sellers won't fit in the west coast call me crazy if you wish but betts would be a much better fb. sellers can provide you with short catches but betts can split out wide as well as down the seams he causes major problems if you line him and portis up together.

Posted by: anacostia85 | January 28, 2008 3:58 AM | Report abuse

YES to Mariucci!

NO to Fossil!

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | January 28, 2008 3:58 AM | Report abuse

and for those who think alexander can't run because mack strong was out think again they can't run because they lost hutchinson the best guard in the nfl just ask chester taylor and a peterson

Posted by: anacostia85 | January 28, 2008 4:00 AM | Report abuse

Just a short aside regarding offensive systems:

Joe Gibbs' pedigree as an assistant coach was on the West Coast, primarily influenced by the legendary "Air Coryell" system. It was a "pass, pass, pass" offense, with little emphasis on a ground attack. Gibbs modified the Coryell offense upon arriving in DC, primarily because of the presence of John Riggins, and the predominant style that was played in the NFC East.

After the retirement of Riggins, the primary running attack was from running backs like Joe Washington/Ernest Byner and the bulk of the offense shifted to the air (Monk, Clark, Sanders). So without the fancy name, Gibbs was running a modified version of the West Coast offense, although it was never really acknowledged as such.

Portis is no Riggins (who is?), but he definitely bears a resemblance to Washington/Byner/Hearst/et al. All the Skins need is a few reliable tall receivers.

Conclusion: Grimm may not exactly fit the current or projected system, since the "old" Gibbs system wasn't working in version 2.0.

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | January 28, 2008 4:10 AM | Report abuse

TheCrickets007

You are working hard. You almost make me have hope.

Two thing missing from you wonderful analysis.

We don't do WC up in Washington DC.

VinnyDan can not be parted they are Master-Blaster. But Vinny has been doing a good job so far.

Posted by: mul | January 28, 2008 4:14 AM | Report abuse

Campbell: New Director of Player Personnel

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=34121

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | January 28, 2008 4:14 AM | Report abuse

And then I see this:

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80649855

Posted by: Levinems | January 27, 2008 08:39 PM

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Levinems,

Thanks for posting that because I had not seen Schefter's report. LOL All I can do is laugh. If I didn't, I'm afraid my head might explode.

Posted by: JustMe | January 27, 2008 08:54 PM

This is super funny. You must watch.

Posted by: mul | January 28, 2008 12:30 AM

For you crick, maybe this will crush you hope.

Posted by: mul | January 28, 2008 4:18 AM | Report abuse

We don't do WC up in Washington DC.

VinnyDan can not be parted they are Master-Blaster. But Vinny has been doing a good job so far.

Posted by: mul | January 28, 2008 04:14 AM

Mul,

That was the point - we WERE doing the WC offense (more or less) from 1987-2002, in the latter part of Gibbs 1.0. Even Al Saunders' offense has pieces of the WC in it - the modern offensive systems in the NFL are all hybrids which encompass the best of the WC, RnS, and Air Coryell. However, unless you have the next reincarnation of Riggins (or maybe even Stephen Davis), the old NFC East offense is tough to run successfully.

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | January 28, 2008 4:18 AM | Report abuse

Thanks, but already saw it. And no - no hopes crushed here. Shefter was totally wrong on Mora, Jr. His sources for Skins info just don't seem very good.

Maybe Barno can do an extensive expose on Shefter on Monday afternoon. That Mora, Jr. gaffe was simply inexcusable!

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | January 28, 2008 4:23 AM | Report abuse

TheCrickets007

I did not see your post until I hit send.

I really don't have the football acumen to know if this is true. I know gibbs had sight ajustment but WC is timing and progression.

Posted by: mul | January 28, 2008 4:24 AM | Report abuse

Whaz up, mullet?

You think you're the heavy weight of this board, do ya?

Some of us PR guys stay up late, real late.

Let me tell you something, mully. You are about to get some news that you may find disturbing.

Stay tuned...

Posted by: dog-speak | January 28, 2008 4:28 AM | Report abuse

hmmm, mullet.

do we stay up late or get up early?

;-)

Posted by: dog-speak | January 28, 2008 4:30 AM | Report abuse

I got up at 3.

I should be doing work but you know.

Posted by: mul | January 28, 2008 4:32 AM | Report abuse

While you're racking you little mutton brain trying to figure that out, mully boy, I'm going to fix myself a cup of coffee and watch you soil your panties in approximately...

Posted by: dog-speak | January 28, 2008 4:32 AM | Report abuse

So, are the Redskins looking to switch to a modified West Coast offense? They would need some new, faster, taller wide receivers, yes?

How about these guys?

Maurice Mann, WR - The 6-1, 190-pounder has also had NFL stints with the Minnesota Vikings and Miami Dolphins.

Billy McMullen, WR - McMullen, 6-4 and 215 pounds, played his college ball at Virginia.

Burl Toler, WR - Toler was with the Redskins in 2007 training camp and spent part of last season on the Redskins' practice squad. The 6-2, 185-pounder played in NFL Europa in spring 2007.

All three were signed by the Redskins recently and are currently on the (off-season) roster.

Add Mix and Espy to the mix, and maybe no draft picks get used for WRs.

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=34070

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | January 28, 2008 4:32 AM | Report abuse

Wait did I see Jeff George on that list.


NO I was just having a flash back.

Posted by: mul | January 28, 2008 4:38 AM | Report abuse

I'm not done with you mully boy. You are a marked man. Prepare yourself for the second coming of your worst fears. Your intuition about all things Redskins related is about to betray you, reveal you for the ill-informed wankus you truly are.

I've been reading your posts, and find you to be a condescending little prick. Anyone who dares go against popular sentiment, you insult, and do so in a way that is most unintelligible.

Do you take comfort in judging others, my little mullet man? Do you not realize the importance of humility?

You will learn your lesson, mullet man, if not on this blog, then in some other manner. The laws of the universe will teach you these things, in one way or another.

Posted by: dog-speak | January 28, 2008 4:48 AM | Report abuse

dog-speak

Go to bed.

Posted by: mul | January 28, 2008 4:52 AM | Report abuse

My hope for you mul, is that you somehow transform into a better human being.

The Washington Redskins will also be just fine, in time.

Posted by: dog-speak | January 28, 2008 4:53 AM | Report abuse

You are going to be late for school.

Posted by: mul | January 28, 2008 4:55 AM | Report abuse

mul,

God bless you, my friend. If you don't believe in God, then may whatever it is you that you do believe in, bless you and yours.

Have a pleasant day, mul.

Posted by: dog-speak | January 28, 2008 4:58 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: hailbg | January 28, 2008 5:00 AM | Report abuse

Gents -- peace, love and harmony on this board. Refrain from personal attacks. ITA if necessary.

Posted by: PapsinManila | January 28, 2008 5:00 AM | Report abuse

EXCELLENT detective work, Inspector Clouseau!!! By the end of this week we will have Lombardi 'coming back' as HC with Joe Gibbs as his OC ... Dream On...

Posted by: bobeaston | January 28, 2008 5:13 AM | Report abuse

All you in love with Mariucci... His record at Detroit?

5-11
6-10
5-11

Not real good... Even Fassell was better than that!

Posted by: oldcameras | January 28, 2008 5:18 AM | Report abuse

For those that don't know, I am actually the pessimist formally known as Jack (honestly)

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 27, 2008 11:04 PM

So, from now on, it's not SJK, it's SZJFR2K. Adjust accordingly.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 28, 2008 5:49 AM | Report abuse

I'm just not feeling the same enthusiasm for Mariucci as most people on here. To be fair though, I'll have my doubts about any coach who takes this job now given that they'll merely be dancing to VinnyDan's tune. I would think that any coach worth his salt would at least make sure that he was working with assistants that he had chosen - not ones that the owner and his lap dog had chosen for him. How can the players respect a coach that has had his balls cut off by the owner??? I'm worried that whoever takes this job isn't motivated by the desire to win and be succesful - I'm worried that their main motivation for taking this job is the money that Dan is going to throw at him.

Posted by: tartanskin | January 28, 2008 5:51 AM | Report abuse

I'll start by saying that Mooch would definitely be the best choice of the guys they've spoken to already. Having said that, the biggest problem this would bring about is another change in philosophy. The main reason why the Redskins aren't the team they were in the '80s under Gibbs is because they have no identity. If you look at Pittsburgh and now New England, those teams have an identity. And their coaching hires and player acquisitions reflect that identity. On offense alone, in the last 8 years, they've gone from Norv, to Martyball, to the Fun-N-Gun, to Gibbs, and now presumably, the West Coast Offense. You have to decide what you're going to be as an organization and stick to it. If you want to be a smashmouth Gibbs team (which is what got you the 3 trophies you trot out with every misguided hire), then you need a coach who embodies that (RUSS GRIMM!!!!). Until Snyder starts worrying more about the football operation running efficiently in the win column and less about whether the fans will be willing to pay ridiculous prices for it, he could hire Mooch or the Gooch---the 'Skins will remain mediocre.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 28, 2008 5:58 AM | Report abuse

They still should have hired Williams, though...at the very least treated him like a human being.

Posted by: Lisa_R | January 27, 2008 10:09 PM

Lisa, they treated him the way he treated Arrington. It's called "tough love."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 28, 2008 6:04 AM | Report abuse

It sure is difficult to judge Mariucci based on his time in Detroit, considering that Matt Millen was the General Manager, with carte blanche from Ford (owner) to do whatever Matt felt necessary.

So let's take a look at Millens entire record:

2001 2 14 0 5th NFC Central --
2002 3 13 0 4th NFC North --
2003 5 11 0 4th NFC North --
2004 6 10 0 3rd NFC North --
2005 5 11 0 3rd NFC North --
2006 3 13 0 4th NFC North --
2007 7 9 0 3rd NFC North --

Think maybe Mariucci's record in Detroit had a little something to do with Millen's inability to select talent?

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | January 28, 2008 6:09 AM | Report abuse

SJK, SZK - no matter.

SZJFR2K - no way.

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | January 28, 2008 6:12 AM | Report abuse

From 1991 until 1995, Belichick was the head coach of the Cleveland Browns. During his tenure in Cleveland he compiled a 36-44 record.

Posted by: TheCrickets007 | January 28, 2008 6:22 AM | Report abuse

On offense alone, in the last 8 years, they've gone from Norv, to Martyball, to the Fun-N-Gun, to Gibbs, and now presumably, the West Coast Offense.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 28, 2008 05:58 AM

You skipped one. After Gibbs there was two years of Saunibbs -- that strange mix of Saunders playbook with Gibbs rules for using it.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 28, 2008 6:23 AM | Report abuse

So for the past few days folks have been characterizing us as "Oakland East" or "Washington Raiders." Now, Dan Snyder and Al Davis are competing for the same coach?

No wonder Dan's trying to keep a lid on this. How would it look if we (a playoff team) actually lost Mariucci to the Raiders (a layoff team)? We'd be left with saying "his wife wants to live in California"? Or, "He only wants to come to Washington if he can be elected to the Senate?"

Posted by: talent_evaluator | January 28, 2008 6:35 AM | Report abuse

Mariucci did well in SF. He started with Young and Rice, but those two left/retired and he rebuilt with Garcia and Owens with only two years below .500 - he was gone after a 10-6 season which they have yet to match, even with the same roster the next year.

You can't even look at his time in Detroit. His starting QB, RB, and WR were Harrington, Bryson, and Hakim. That team actually statistically got better every year when he was there, but they were bad and still are.

I do worry about his ability to hold things together when it gets tough.

Posted by: showell81 | January 28, 2008 6:57 AM | Report abuse

At last a candidate that I think is an equal to Williams in theory. Because it makes some sense to hire Mariucci it probably wont happen now.

Posted by: driley | January 28, 2008 7:11 AM | Report abuse

I'm all for Mooch. I think he would be a great fit for our Offensive personnel. Especially with Zorn. Match that up with Blache running our same Defense and that sounds like a pretty good winning recipe to me. PLEASE DON'T LET IT BE FOSSEL! I'LL SERIOUSLY HAVE TO TURN IN MY SKINS MEMBERSHIP CARD IF IT IS!

Posted by: octnotes | January 28, 2008 7:30 AM | Report abuse

Great article and research. Anyone but Fassell. Does this remind anyone of Jerry Jones last year hiring all of his Coordinators and then hiring someone no one expected? I agree that anything done in Detroit should not count. Shoot, Wayne Fontes was probably a pretty good coach.

Posted by: token_crip | January 28, 2008 7:32 AM | Report abuse

I f'in hate this team.

Posted by: RickyBobby | January 28, 2008 7:45 AM | Report abuse

Mar also makes sense to me. The Danny loves his HC to be an Offensive type, (why it was probably hard to sell GW).

I need to be fair to Fassell about one thing. No one in the NFL can get that Hon's Offense to play more then 1/2 a game... ever... period. The Hon's offense was a 1 trick pony for the past 7 years, that pony was named Jamal Lewis. They have never had a QB, over their entire history worth mentioning cept a washed up McNair. Never had a good WR setup. They were the definitive, Run 3 downs if you get the first try it again team who always wanted to pass the ball but that can get complicated. That said I don't want him as HC for our team.

Much like I give Mooch the pass for his time in the Ford Dome I got to give Jimbo a pass for the Hon's. However Jim's a terrible motivator, end of discussion.

Posted by: alex35332 | January 28, 2008 7:52 AM | Report abuse

For the poster who said Grimm wasn't as good an O-line as Jacoby or Bostic....wow just wow...

For the anti-sellers tool...wow just wow

Mad props to Johninhouston for the Peter King shout out!

Posted by: chrislarry | January 28, 2008 7:57 AM | Report abuse

I feel like to doctor just told me I have a brain tumor and have one week to live . . . oh, just kidding, we'll have to amputate your left foot, though. Now, had the doct told me he'd have to amputate without the negative build-up, that woulda sucked, but compared to a tumor, I'll take missing a left foot anyday. Especially since I have another one.

Think about it . . .

Posted by: lojack74 | January 28, 2008 8:08 AM | Report abuse

Here is the name of one up and coming HC who MAY be available and who hasn't been mentioned: Lane Kiffen.

As far as Bugel goes, he's OC material not a HC. Based on his run in SF (and in spite of what happened in Detroit -- but hey, it gave him experience working with crappy front office personnel) Mariucci would certainly go down easier than "All In Jim".

Posted by: cchapman | January 28, 2008 8:09 AM | Report abuse

I really would have LOVED for SINGLETARY to have gotten interviewed, though! I'm a huge fan. As far as Grimm, there absolutely MUST be a reason he wasn't really even considered in PIT for HC when Cowher retired. Great player, but something about him as coach we don't know? Maybe a good assistant, but may not always translate to HC material.

Posted by: lojack74 | January 28, 2008 8:11 AM | Report abuse

I think Mariucci is the best option at this point. I will take him.

Posted by: roycog | January 28, 2008 8:15 AM | Report abuse

i sense a another plot twist coming in this HC search. it's too simple for it to be fassel.

Posted by: psps23 | January 28, 2008 8:16 AM | Report abuse

Mooch proved in Detroit that he is not a team builder or player developer. He is a good driver of the bus for a team that is already good.

As for the West Coast Offense, Jason C. does not seem to have the touch for it. It seems to highlight many of his weaknesses.

As a football fan, I find the west coast offense pretty boring. It is almost like almost like watching an option team (Navy is the only option team I have ever found fun to watch).

The skins are doomed for a lot of losing no matter what HC they pick. Where the skins are now, their best shot now is any coach but the much despised Fassel if only to try to heal the rift between the fans and the organization.

Posted by: mi-ti-bear | January 28, 2008 8:21 AM | Report abuse

I will support anyone except Fassel.

Posted by: jm220 | January 28, 2008 8:24 AM | Report abuse

I will support anyone except Fassel.

Posted by: jm220 | January 28, 2008 8:24 AM | Report abuse

For the poster who said Grimm wasn't as good an O-line as Jacoby or Bostic....wow just wow...

For the anti-sellers tool...wow just wow

Mad props to Johninhouston for the Peter King shout out!

Posted by: chrislarry | January 28, 2008 07:57 AM

How can anyone be anti Mike Sellers? He is my favorite Redskins. Who ever wrote that better hope that big Mike doesn't find out where you live. You may get a knock on your door!!

Posted by: jimwell | January 28, 2008 8:25 AM | Report abuse

I'd just like to point out what an amazing piece of work this is by J-La, thanks for your tireless efforts to get us information.

As far as Mooch goes, fine by me. I just want them to pick the guy who is going to get this team on the right track for the long haul.

Giving the D to Blache was a good move, I believe.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 28, 2008 8:27 AM | Report abuse

Hello....is this thing on???

Did I break the blog?

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 28, 2008 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Sellers is a beast.

My wife's uncle is friends with him. They used to be work-out partners over here in Washington before he made the team. Everytime the Skins come to town, he gets her uncle a ticket. Once when asked for an autograph he took the jersey he was wearing off his back (at a bar) signed it and gave it to the woman.

He would have gone back into that Vikings game if the NFL didn't have that new rule about concussions.

Tough guy who plays with emotion and fire on the field. They need more guys like that if you ask me.

Posted by: Wetrunway44 | January 28, 2008 8:54 AM | Report abuse

arggggh...I'm just going to sit back and try to figure out how to root for my Redskins, without giving any more of my hard earned kay-shh to Synder.

Posted by: kelly2field | January 28, 2008 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Cant read all these comments, way too much work to do.

But.... flag on the play. 10 yard livin in the past penalty, on everyone suggesting Grimm.

Grimm hasnt gotten a sniff, and it aint gonna happen. Having Gibbs makes eveyone nostalgic for the old skins of running the ball. But we all saw from gibbs that it was outdated. Maybe Grimm has a more up-to-date style. But clamoring for a connection to the past is not what we need. You realize that way of playing football ended with Bill Walsh and his tree. It is 2008!! Not 1998, not 1988. So lets stop clamoring for football of the 80's and early 90's.

So that said, Mooch is a good choice. He got a raw deal in San Fran and never had a chance in Det.

Posted by: Zebraskins | January 28, 2008 8:58 AM | Report abuse

JLa,

First class post. Best you've done in a while.


I could certainly see Danny falling in love with Mooch. I mean they look enough alike they could be brothers (check into that.)

The Detroit experiment was awful and taking San Fran to the playoffs back then would be analogous to someone taking the Peyton Manning led Colts to the playoffs now. Not exactly Magic.

I could probably live with Mooch but someone should tell him that Mooch and Chooch rhyme. He should get fair warning is all i'm saying.

Posted by: Skinz | January 28, 2008 9:01 AM | Report abuse

it seems like people are getting pretty desperate on this blog, with a lot "fine by me" endorsement for marriucci. snyder has really lowered the standard around here with all this jim fassel talk.

i won't lie, marriucci looks like a golden hire when compared to fassel. i just wonder what our reactions would've been had marriucci been the first name to come out immediately following gibbs' retirement. i'd be willing to bet we wouldn't have been so favorable to him.

Posted by: psps23 | January 28, 2008 9:03 AM | Report abuse

At this point, IMHO, Dan Snyder has run the Washington Redskins organization into the hole so deep that only the Oakland Raiders are a worse run NFL franchise.

I think Snyder had a chance, via learning at the feet of Gibbs, to become a good owner. He had the chance, via the "rub" off of Gibbs to turn his image around, both in the NFL and DC. He spoke of family when Taylor passed away and continuity when Gibbs retired.

Instead, he went back to as I put it, "I'm Danny Snyder, I own this team and it's my playtoy. My buddy Vinny and I are going to play and the rest of you can watch, or not, we don't care."

Dan Snyder has lost every single bit of goodwill that he built up during his association with Joe Gibbs. He's, incredibly, now worse off in terms of respect from fans that he was before Gibbs came back.

It doesn't matter who he brings in now, I believe, this team is consigned to 5-11 for a number of seasons. Even worse, Daniel Snyder, alone, has destroyed the return of fans feeling like the Skins were going places and were a family; a union of team and DC area.

Jack Kent Cooke, sadly, he will never be. Until Snyder, someday, sells the team, we will never come close to the success and area pride that we used to have from the Redskins.

Who really wants the Head Coaching job now? Really, who wants to work for Dan Snyder? You're either a Head Coach reject who can't get a job or an assistant wanting to move up for the first time. In all cases, you figure that you'll put in a few years, do as well as possible and wait to get fired or get a better job. When you interview, you just say that, like with Al Davis, you worked for Snyder and teams will, immediately, understand. Again, just one lifelong fan's expressed opinion.

Whoever he hires as Head Coach starts off with near zero loyalty or good feelings from the fans. Snyder's true colors showed through with how he handled Greg Williams.

Joe Gibbs should, publicly, announce that he is finished with the Redskins and end all association with the team. Let Danny and Vinny be the juvenile deliquents that a rich little boy and his buddy can be.

That's my take on all this. Your milage may vary.

Posted by: tcmits | January 28, 2008 9:06 AM | Report abuse

I will support anyone except Fassel.

Posted by: jm220 | January 28, 2008 08:24 AM

I 2nd that

Posted by: SAK2 | January 28, 2008 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Can someone post the records year by year of Mooch's teams?

How is he as far as drafting and personell decisions go?? If anyone has any fact-based information I'm all ears.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 28, 2008 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Marriucci is a better alternative to Jim Fassel, but please Danny boy can't we do better? You just let the better walk right out the door.

No one has mentioned how the players feel about all this. Betrayed, that is how I would feel if I were them.

Posted by: cangle12 | January 28, 2008 9:09 AM | Report abuse

All of you nocturnal nerds have missed the point entirely. It doesn't matter who gets the HC job. Next year, assuming that Cowher follows the party line, Danny boy will give the heave ho to whoever is the placeholder and pony up a zillion of his ill gotten booty to assure that "The Jaw" lands in FedEx field. We'll go through yet another change, and the chances for me to see another Lombardy trophy hoisted locally will go the way of the Dan Quayle presidency. How do I get one of those tee shirts begging Snyder to sell the team?

Posted by: wetlogik | January 28, 2008 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Per Rotoworld :
"Jim Fassel is expected to be named the Redskins' head coach the Monday or Tuesday following the Super Bowl, according to ESPN's John Clayton.

Fassel approved of Jim Zorn's hiring to call plays and DC Greg Blache's promotion. He remains the lead candidate, but Colts defensive coordinator Ron Meeks has a second interview planned for Tuesday, and Steve Mariucci and Steve Spagnuolo are believed to be on owner Dan Snyder's radar. "

Is it just me, or does John Clayton look like and elf from the clay-mation Rudolph the red nosed reindeer cartton like thing they play every holiday season?

Fcuk John Clayton and his elf looking arse!

BONG!

Posted by: bigmurf08 | January 28, 2008 9:12 AM | Report abuse

It's pretty obvious that Tom Cruise is to blame here. DannyBoy has secretly converted to Scientology. Nothing else explains the decisions by DannyBoy.

So, I forsee DannyBoy calling an emergency news conference today, which means all Washington DC stations will carry this "emergency session" as opposed to the boring state of the union featuring the the great builder of the national economy (Iraq's) to announce.....
Drum roll please...
"Coach" Craig T. Nelson as our new Redskins coach.
That Jason Campbell has been traded for some additional "synergies" with Hollywood and Madison Ave. Jason stars in new some Campbell soup commercials and occasional plays quarterback for LA Raiders.

Tom "All the right moves" Cruise takes over as new Redskins quarterback and Redskins merchandise sales go through the roof and for the first time beat the Dallas Cowboys and LA Raiders ...
...in NFL merchandise sales - the Holy Grail for DannyBoy - better than the Super Bowl!

Posted by: leoncolaco | January 28, 2008 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Quick question... What experience does Jim Zorn have as a Coordinator? What philosophy does he subscribe to? All of the Coordinators out there in the College and Pro ranks.. and we found this guy? Can you spell S-T-U-P-I-D-I-T-Y??

Posted by: ak20 | January 28, 2008 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Murf, absolutely and his name was... Herbie!

Posted by: Zebraskins | January 28, 2008 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Liked the idea of Mora JR much more than Mooch...But as I've posted before, the benefits of the WC offense to JC could be enormous!

Al Borges ran the the same offense for JC the year auburn went 13-0

I just don't think that MOOCH is the long term answer.

Posted by: dbussjd | January 28, 2008 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Part of me thinks thce J LaC hypothesized the Maricuci story, there's no way its going to happen now.

Snyder likes to make the big unexpected splash and now that's been taken away from him.

Another reason for him to hate the Post. :)

Posted by: spotter | January 28, 2008 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Zebra,

Thanks dude - was trying to remember the little guys name.....Too funny!

Posted by: bigmurf08 | January 28, 2008 9:19 AM | Report abuse

I'm so burnt out on this stuff... Anybody is better than Fassel.

Posted by: JustinBaker | January 28, 2008 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Joe Gibbs should, publicly, announce that he is finished with the Redskins and end all association with the team. Let Danny and Vinny be the juvenile deliquents that a rich little boy and his buddy can be.

tcmits I couldn't agree with you more. He just need to step away from this fool.

Posted by: jm220 | January 28, 2008 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Caveat: I don't believe Grimm is in the running or will be HC...

BUTT:

Flag on you Zebra and all else that question Grimm's ability as a coach or potential HC. You just ain't following the NFL. The Steelers wanted a full anti-cowher break thats why Grimm and Whizzy didnt get it. If Grimm sucks as a coach why did Cowher block all attempts by Gibbs to snag him as OC during the "return", Grimm turned down the chance to be Raiders coach for obvious reasons. Also just b/c he hasn't gotten any interviews doesn't mean siht. This is a popularity follow the leader league, so every year guys like Spags who are coming off glamorous year get thrown out.

Look at Grimm's track record as a cord in Pitts (lead league in rushing, beast O-Line, Young QB excelling, SB) and then read up on his work with the Cards. In one year, with losing L. Davis to Pukes, he improved the O-line immensely to the point where Kurt Warner (the man no one can protect) had a comeback of the year type season. IF the cards continue there improvement (and lets get real they were one missed FG against the skins away from the 6th seed this year) next season than his name will be "hot" again...

I mean were about to hire Jim Fassel, you wouldnt rather give Grimm a shot pulheeze!

And flag 2 on Zebra, this aint no nostalgia kick dude, Grimm has been coaching since the day he quit as a player. Worked for some one of the best coaches of the last 20 years. And to talk about how this isnt the 80/90s and then in the same breath endorse Mooch is just contradictory.....

Zebra, I got mad luv for you, but back it up 30 yards......

Posted by: clawrence | January 28, 2008 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Skinz | January 28, 2008 9:21 AM | Report abuse

Interesting Theory there. That all ties up into a nice lil bow doesn't it? It just has...to be something like this doesn't it? That mess of a release about...out of respect to the super bowl, they are going to wait until after the game. Man please. I think it's to give himself time to try and get something laid out...with say Mariucci or someone along those lines. I think Fassel is the fall back guy. They are comfortable with him if nothing comes through, but they still want the splash hire. They want all the attention off the super bowl to be over, so the focus can be on their choice for a coach. Just my opinion. The whole west-coast connection to zorn is also interesting. Honestly, somebody wake me when the coach is hired. I'm tired of all of this.

Posted by: urblessed00 | January 28, 2008 9:23 AM | Report abuse

This city is headed for a disaster of biblical proportions.

What do you mean, "biblical"?

What he means is Old Testament, Mr. Mayor, real wrath-of-God type stuff.

Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies. Rivers and seas boiling...

Forty years of darkness. Earthquakes, volcanoes...

The dead rising from the grave...

Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together - mass hysteria!

I go away for a few days and THIS is what I come back to? What have you people been doing? Who's responsible for all this?

Come on, step forward.

Posted by: Redcoat | January 28, 2008 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Steve Mariucci would be an awesome choice.
I've always wanted him to be the Redskins coach. He's excellent. A perfect transition from Joe Gibbs.

Posted by: tbarz1 | January 28, 2008 9:27 AM | Report abuse

clawrence;

Mooch wasnt a HC in the early 90's.

And I really doubt if Grimm wasnt a hog, he would not be on all of the skins fans radar.

But again, he wasnt the o coord at pitt, Whiszy was.

I dont say our running game is good because of byner or some other position specific coach (although many do say buges was the impetus for our running game).

But I agree, he has pedigree, but most peeps are clamoring not b/c they know about him, but b/c he used to play for gibbs and would be a way to keep that gibbsian offense around. So I should have qualified my flag with MOST, not everyone.

Anyway, i agrre the flag was hasty, and yes I would take him over fassel, but at this point clamoring for him is like continuing to clamor for williams... it seems pointless.

Posted by: Zebraskins | January 28, 2008 9:29 AM | Report abuse

I like all of our choices right now....fassel would be last on my list , but i don't hate it....still hoping for a young coach (hungry) but mooch is intriging......

Posted by: Oldschool | January 28, 2008 9:30 AM | Report abuse

I love a good conspiracy theory and this is a great one. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if The Danny intentionally went the Fassel route as a way to butter up Redskins nation to the Mooch. Maybe that's too diabolical to be trusted, but after hearing about Fassel, Redskins Nation went beserk and now Mooch seems reasonable.

Another note, I was watching some ESPN the other day and they showed the highlight/recap of the Giants-Ravens super bowl from a few years ago. I had forgotten that the two coaches in that game were Fossel-Billick. So all those comments about those guys getting to a super bowl are definitely taken into context now since they coached against each other and someone had to win. (It was an offensive nightmare.)

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 28, 2008 9:32 AM | Report abuse

I thought this was a newspaper? I also thought this is the so called Redskin Insider??? Well this isn't news, and definelty isn't some inside scoop...we can all sit around the water cooler and speculate, except the Post isn't wasting money on us like they are with you Jason...please report the facts not a bunch of guessing. Personally i'm pretty fed up with hearing about what the Danny and his cousin Vinny are up to, stop it now don't come back with a story until we have something concrete. Doesn't matter anyhow i've already decided whoever comes in it isn't worth renewing the season tickets and I have great seats lower level right behind the hogettes, so it's not because i'm unhappy sitting in the nosebleed section...

Posted by: papaskynz | January 28, 2008 9:33 AM | Report abuse

No matter who we end up with as coach - BOYCOTT game 1 just to demonstrate our feelings for danny-boy!

Posted by: oldnova | January 28, 2008 9:34 AM | Report abuse

anybody is better than fassel shoot dont have a HC and go after the chin next year but i dont want no giant-cowboy-eagles coaches

Posted by: croniccured | January 28, 2008 9:35 AM | Report abuse

I thought this was a newspaper? I also thought this is the so called Redskin Insider??? Well this isn't news, and definelty isn't some inside scoop...we can all sit around the water cooler and speculate, except the Post isn't wasting money on us like they are with you Jason...please report the facts not a bunch of guessing. Personally i'm pretty fed up with hearing about what the Danny and his cousin Vinny are up to, stop it now don't come back with a story until we have something concrete. Doesn't matter anyhow i've already decided whoever comes in it isn't worth renewing the season tickets and I have great seats lower level right behind the hogettes, so it's not because i'm unhappy sitting in the nosebleed section...

Posted by: papaskynz | January 28, 2008 09:33 AM

And what if all others up here want speculation and ennuendo?

Posted by: Zebraskins | January 28, 2008 9:37 AM | Report abuse

As far as Bugel goes, he's OC material not a HC.

Posted by: cchapman | January 28, 2008 08:09 AM

Bugel was doing a fine job as the Cardinals head coach when they canned him. He was building a tough, hard-nosed team that was improving every year. If they tapped him to be HC this year he'd do fine.

Posted by: skinfanman | January 28, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Elsewhere in the NFL this week... The undefeated Patriots (boo! hiss!) attempt to make history by beating the perennially underachieving Eloy Manning (ha ha!) and the Giants in the Super Bowl (darn!) this weekend.

We now return you to your "all strife, all the time" round the clock "Redskins search for a coach". Over to Jason La Canfora who is now living out of his Chevy Geo at Redskins Park, Ashburn for a fifteenth consecutive day....

"Thanks CynCyty, I'm walking over to the newly-installed 'Redskins Thunderdome' where Jim Fossil, Ron Meeks, and Steve Mariachi are being oiled up before entering. The lifeless, limbless body of Greggggggg Williams was removed earlier after his defeat in the previous elemination round.

Remember the rules are very simple: three men enter, one man leaves. We now go over live to the Thunderdome, where Michael Buffer will make the introductions. Your referee tonight is Mills Lane..."

Posted by: Redcoat | January 28, 2008 9:46 AM | Report abuse

I thought this was a newspaper? I also thought this is the so called Redskin Insider??? Well this isn't news, and definelty isn't some inside scoop...we can all sit around the water cooler and speculate, except the Post isn't wasting money on us like they are with you Jason...please report the facts not a bunch of guessing. Personally i'm pretty fed up with hearing about what the Danny and his cousin Vinny are up to, stop it now don't come back with a story until we have something concrete.

Posted by: papaskynz | January 28, 2008 09:33 AM

That's a bit harsh. First of all, this isn't a newspaper, it's a blog. Secondly, what's wrong with a bit of speculation and educated guessing? Lighten up a bit eh? This whole saga has been depressing enough without this sort of moralistic grumbling.

Posted by: tartanskin | January 28, 2008 9:46 AM | Report abuse

s-cam 1975,

before you go breaking your arm patting yo own back, scroll up, I already defended Seller's honor, with I think a better arguement. Although your right he does catch some good balls...

so you and me bro, we laid the smack down on that lame post...but you ain't the only non-moron swingin soul up here!

Posted by: chrislarry | January 28, 2008 12:50 AM

Sorry Chris didn't catch this until this morning. Wasn't breaking my arm patting my own back, don't get much joy outta stating the obvious and was just defending what was already stated and what I believe to be true. Good call.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 28, 2008 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Ok the person who put that works for Dan, they also put Joe Montana. Westbrook is a pass catcher protis more of a running running back. If you check a few post up you will see the difference between Denver and the Redskins.

Go to sleep. Don't do the work of Dans PR people for them.

What do you think our recored will be in 2 years?

How do you like Vinny as GM?

Posted by: mul | January 28, 2008 12:54 AM

Sorry mul, didn't catch this one til this morning either. I took your advice and went to bed. I do understand that this will be a different offense than in Denver and Portis isn't as much of a pass catcher as he is a runner, but he showed it's an option for him and can maybe develop it a little. As far as Vinny is concerned, consumate professional YES man. Incapable of making any real (good) decisions on his own.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 28, 2008 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Whatever...see I know the WP has another motive behind anything they put here since the Danny took back what a 100 tickets or so from them for selling them for profit instead of using them as they were distributed for... The skins are being so secretive about who they talk to as if this were a clandestant C.I.A. or top White House officials running some cloak and dagger operation....

Posted by: papaskynz | January 28, 2008 9:52 AM | Report abuse

...running some cloak and dagger operation....

Posted by: papaskynz | January 28, 2008 09:52 AM

Correction: the official blog spelling for this is 'cload and daggar'.

Posted by: Redcoat | January 28, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse

All I can say about continuity is: Did everyone forget Gibbs year 3-? No excuses. Gibbs year 4 almost ended the same way.

Posted by: skyscraper48 | January 28, 2008 9:57 AM | Report abuse

why would grimm come here. he withdrew from the raiders job last year as al davis was offering the job. why would he want to ruin his name and become the dan's head henchman.

Posted by: matthewwmccarthy | January 28, 2008 01:36 AM

Snyder pays better.

Posted by: skinfanman | January 28, 2008 9:58 AM | Report abuse

This just in from one of my sources who talked with the Danny's agent and he says that Danny Snyder has to name himself HC and will shop for the groceries since he's cooking the meal...

Posted by: papaskynz | January 28, 2008 10:01 AM | Report abuse

The only coach that will satisfy me now that Williams is gone is Coach Janky Spanky.

Posted by: skinsfan1234 | January 28, 2008 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Redcoat, what, you gonna come up here and tweak our noses and say "nyah nyah nyah, we got a new head coach and we have a real front office" and such as...

This is a very delicate time up here. Be gentle.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | January 28, 2008 10:05 AM | Report abuse

The only coach that will satisfy me now that Williams is gone is Coach Janky Spanky.

Posted by: skinsfan1234 | January 28, 2008 10:04 AM

Somehow this is easily the most intelligent thing on this blog today.

Posted by: sams3 | January 28, 2008 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Nate, I'm just trying to introduce some levity to the situation. It's everyone's choice as to whether they can laugh or cry at the futility of what is going on.

I've done both for the Fins the last few weeks, and I sense I may not be done with that yet, either.

My sympathy to you all.

Posted by: Redcoat | January 28, 2008 10:08 AM | Report abuse

I'd picked Mooch over Fassel in a heartbeat. Ditto Meeks.

With that being said, I still think it's dangerous for the Redskins to do all of this without a GM.

Snyder is ruining the Redskins and nothing will be back on the right track until he finally gives in and hires a GM.

Posted by: dayard_46 | January 28, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

They say in Washington that the job of President is the second most important job in the city. So I guess it fits that the Head Coach search is stretching on like the primary season. Personally, I hope we hire someone who will, like, win and stuff.

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 28, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

This is off-topic, so please consider my comments "dribble," but i'm curious who is everyone rooting for in the superbowl?

I'm actually rooting for the Giants.

The Giants are my least-hated division rival. I absolutely hate the patriots though. I'm sick and tired of them winning, and they showed no class when we played them this year by running up the score. There's nothing i'd like to see more than their undefeated season ending with a loss in the superbowl to the Giants - a team that really isnt even that good.

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | January 28, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Snyder is ruining the Redskins and nothing will be back on the right track until he finally gives in and hires a GM.

Posted by: dayard_46 | January 28, 2008 10:11 AM

I think you can only interpret the promotion (promotion!? promotion!?!) of Vinny to Extraterrestrial Vice President means that The Owner has asserted that there will never be a GM 'on his watch', let alone an 'indepedent GM' which is what you probably want/need.

Posted by: Redcoat | January 28, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse

What happens if Snyder chooses Mooch, and it proves to be a good choice, and the Redskins have a successful season next year?

Futility, seems a little strong. They're going through a process, what say we let the process play out, and let some games be played before we pass judgement??? Crazy...I know....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 28, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Redcoat, your in-depth knowledge of RI arcana such as the correct spelling of cload and daggar is always appreciated, as is the visualization of CynCity in tina-turner battle dress.

F pain, woe, and suffering. If you're not laughing, your not trying.

Posted by: daggar | January 28, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Wonder why Snyder did all the interviewing at his house (mansion), do you think it was just to show off how much money he has? Money don't make the man!! It takes more than money to have class. As long as he's driving this train the skins will be nothing to even care about.

Posted by: dtrhodes | January 28, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

I'm for the Giants as well. I would have been for any NFC team except Dallas against the Patriots. Boston fans have become spoiled and arrogant and beyond annoying. I hope the Pats lose so Bostonians everywhere will be forced to drown their sorrows in large sized pitchers of beer. Otherwise we're never going to hear the end of the talk about the "team of the century" etc.

Even during the height of the Jordan era, Chicago fans were never as insufferable as Bostonians these days. Of course, Chicago had one team doing well and Boston has 3...

Posted by: sheidt99 | January 28, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Nate, I'm just trying to introduce some levity to the situation. It's everyone's choice as to whether they can laugh or cry at the futility of what is going on.

I've done both for the Fins the last few weeks, and I sense I may not be done with that yet, either.

My sympathy to you all.

Posted by: Redcoat | January 28, 2008 10:08 AM

I think the Fins are headed in the right direction now.

Posted by: jimwell | January 28, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

I would be pleased with Mooch...

Get it done Danny! Also I like what I am hearing about Zorn as far as QB development is concerned..

Posted by: trailblazer658 | January 28, 2008 10:23 AM | Report abuse

I think the Fins are headed in the right direction now.

Posted by: jimwell | January 28, 2008 10:21 AM

I think they've reached a point where there is only one direction left.

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 28, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

My 'futility' remark was aimed at two specific things Greg, neither of which are actually about the 'product on the field' which you won;t have any idea of for months now.

Firstly, the whole search has been a Public Relations fiasco from beginning to end, which I never would have expected from a 'marketing genius' such as your team's owner. Secondly, the underlying impression here is that the owner is exhibiting a 'stress behaviour' here. Autocratic personalities tend to become MORE autocratic under stress. Would anyone here really suggest that snyder is learning to 'let go and trust the professionals' in this pursuit? Unless you count Vinny, which in all good conscience I can't, then the evidence is growing that he's looking to assert MORE control, not less. And he's simply not qualified to do that.

Maybe I'm wrong, and I hope for you guys that I am, but I fear I'm not.

And cload, we should start calling her "Aunty CynCyty"!

Posted by: Redcoat | January 28, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

I think the Fins are headed in the right direction now.

Posted by: jimwell | January 28, 2008 10:21 AM

I think they've reached a point where there is only one direction left.

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Posted by: Redcoat | January 28, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Just an aside, when we were covering 'pro' and 'anti' things a while ago, how could we have forgotten 'Aunty Entity'?

Posted by: Redcoat | January 28, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Is JC a west coast type QB ?

Posted by: vpar57 | January 28, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

I think you make some good points. at this point I would prefer him over the rest of the field. I wonder if we have the personnel to run the west coast O?

Posted by: achapman1 | January 28, 2008 10:39 AM | Report abuse


Highly unlikely..but Russ Grimm!

I think Snyder & Cerrato was reallying going to smear Double G with the Joe Gibbs angle, but it got leaked out to the press, so Snyder & Cerrato had to deny that rumor...even to Double G's face when he asked them about it. Snyder & Cerrato are liars.

Posted by: heisted547 | January 28, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

I don't really see Mooch as any better than Fassel other than the fact that he is far more media friendly.

What i figure it is Marrichoochi is either:

A: Smart and learned that having a bad gm is a death knell to an organization that coaching can't over come. The only GM worse than Matt Millen is Dan Snyder and therefore he'll pass having learned from Detroit.

B: Studpid and hasn't learned. In which case I don't want him. If he fails this time with the skins he'll be a coaching joke and end up like Norv. His only option to inherit a 14-2 team and take them to the championship game....wait, that can't possibly be right.


Marlo is bad pepes, cheese is a chump. I have a bad feeling that Omar gets got and Marlo lives. I don't care about any other char but I hope Omar gets his man, he was already denied one kingpin. He should get Marlo and Snoop. Maybe Chris and Michael make it out alive.

Posted by: Skinz | January 28, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

The coach search shabingus doesn't bother me nearly as much as the promotion of Vinny and Campbell.

Players win championships, not coaches. You think Belichick would be this good without Brady?

By having Vinny and Campbell at the top of the helm, we just guaranteed ourselves losing seasons for as long as they remain in power.

Posted by: CMoney1 | January 28, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

I'm with you on "peeling the onion", JLC. Who the heck picks the OC and DC FOR the new head coach, unless there's something under the peel.....

Just a prediction....first comes the coach's house cleaning, then comes the players.......remember the cap!

This is going to be an interesting few months, but there's still time to give up the season tickets and let someone else on the waiting list buy Danny's $8 beer.....

Posted by: Skinzfan2 | January 28, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

I think we should just hire Grimm. I mean comeon guys he played for the team. Forget that there is nothing that leads me to believe he could be an affective head coach.

I mean Al Davis wanted him. If that's not not a good sign, nothing is.

Posted by: sams3 | January 28, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Where's dcsween today?

I thought I'd detached him from the herd a little last week. I need to get working again....

* clinking bottles again *

"'sween, come out to play-ay..."

Posted by: Redcoat | January 28, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

great work, jasno!

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Posted by: Redcoat | January 28, 2008 10:27 AM

I'm heading down on Friday, 'coat. I'm leaving room in my luggage for a whiff of hope and a shred of dignity for the Dolphins.

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 28, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

nate, you underestimate yourself but that's what we're here for to support eachother. we'll help you get over your "addiction". one way to look at this as that skins have been kidnapped and tell yourself that they're not on tv anymore. they've been coltized overnight and no one can find the team anymore.

diddy, are you still unemployed? if yes then i got some work for you. snider family "only" owns 60% if not less of the skins and danny himself probly owns 40% at most. so what you have to do is get a group of investors from NW come up with a billion dollars and buy the majority of the shares or at least 40% of the shares and then start working on a hostile takeover. it can be done.

billion $'s isn't what it used to be. especially if you bought gold at $150. come on! put your money where your heart is. together we can do this.

okay where was i...ohh yeah...i finally understand why people "hate" brady. people, it's not his fault that the media just is sickening arghhh. i almost puked when i heard the stuff that was being said about him. and i think he's the best qb ever. yuck! media, he's only an athlete!

also love the turtle but that venzuelan kid needs to calm the hell down. he was responsible for that loss alone. garry, cut his minutes until he learns to control himself. the box score doesn't do justice. gist had 26 points! 26!!!! hello?! and the big little dude inside omblae bomblae was a beast!

but guard play gary, guard play...c'mon this is a good team garry. F the haters!

Posted by: dealer | January 28, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse


Skins are doomed for seasons to come!

Posted by: heisted547 | January 28, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Hard to do a hostile takeover of the 'Skins when the overwhelming majority of the ownership stake is "Mr." Snyder and a couple of his friends. Remember, shortly after he purchased the team, he bought out the majority of his partners. It's a pipe dream to wish he were gone. He's going to be there for a long time, and, unlike Mr. Cooke (whose relationship with his children was...strange), "Mr." Snyder will likely bequeath the bulk of the team to his children in a more tax-advantaged manner.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 28, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

As the unofficial cheerleader for the hiring or Russ Grimm as head coach of the burgundy and gold, I have to clear up something I've seen a few times here: Grimm was a very serious contender for the Steeler job. He just didn't get it because Mike Tomlin was THAT good. Have you heard the guy talk? Only Tomlin and Herm Edwards make me want to put on a helmet and run through a brick wall when I hear them coach! So if not for the Rooney Rule, it's quite possible, if not likely, that Grimm is the Steeler coach today. League insiders pretty much agree that Grimm is going to be a fine head coach, I just think that he's being hindered by the perception that he's not ready because he hasn't been a coordinator yet. But neither was Andy Reid, but he's doing pretty well in Philly last I checked. So let's go get Grimm! It's the perfect fit!

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 28, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Is it safe up here yet? Movies? Music? TV? Pies? Beer? Maps? JIBBA JABBA?!?!

Posted by: 4-12 | January 28, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Yes, this is DC, it's a national election year - and Dan Snyder can barely wait until his own Super Tuesday arrives.

Posted by: tafka | January 28, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder will hire exactly the person that he wants to be HC, including Jim Fassel or any other smuck he considers to be enough of a 'Big Fish'. Public sentiment is meaningless to him; otherwise, Mr. Vinny Cerrato would never have been promoted to his new post with the Skins. This guy is repeatedly 'torn and tettered' by fans/bloggers and has it made any impact?

Posted by: n6797p | January 28, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

4-12, I've tried both jibba and jabba today, but I sense a deep disturbance in the Force.

Posted by: Redcoat | January 28, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

There is one potential very positive outcome if the Patriots win the Super Bowl - maybe we won't have to hear about the '72 Dolphins any more. I'd like the Patriots to win just so we never have to hear from Shula and company ever again.

Posted by: tafka | January 28, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

"It was like a million voices crying out in unison, then suddenly silenced...."

Posted by: Redcoat | January 28, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

maybe we won't have to hear about the '72 Dolphins any more. I'd like the Patriots to win just so we never have to hear from Shula and company ever again.

Posted by: tafka | January 28, 2008 11:20 AM

Put it this way Tafka, the '72 Fins are all getting up there in age now. If the Patriots do win, you'll be hearing from/seeing them every season for the rest of your life!!

Posted by: Redcoat | January 28, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Hey look on the bright side; It is Jeff Posey week on the 2008 Washington Redskins Calendar.

Posted by: Forrest | January 28, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Um....saying that Sndyer is looking to hire a 'big-fish' and then listing Jim Fassell, or Steve Mooch, contradicts itself. Neither is considered a big fish, so the media inspired, "Dan is looking for the glitzy hire" is currently false. The "big fish" guys are Cowher, and Carroll, neither of which is in the running, so the "big fish/big splash" hire theory isn't happening.

And for the record, Public sentiment should mean nothing to him. You think Bill Belicheat was worried about public sentiment when he traded for Randy Moss, or cut Lawyer Malloy, or traded Deion Branch? Nope...not once....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 28, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

4-12, yes, it's ovah. indifference is setting in. come let's talk about movies and clothes and hostile takeovers and price of gold and the falling dollar and obama's thumping of hillary in south carolina and yes maps. let's talk about giselle...good god! let's talk about TK stack money back on the air. about the fact that he didn't like men in blue show. who does? talk about that new vegas commercial...where is that martini glass with two gorgeous women?

diddy, did you get to do that?

Posted by: dealer | January 28, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

About an hour ago on my way to work. The NFL network on Sirius said that the Redskins Hired Fossil today?? Anyone hear or know about that?

Posted by: greg_hughes90 | January 28, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

At this point I don't have a problem with Mariucci or Fassel. Although I think it would be a little strange for them to wait until after the SB if it's Fassel. I don't know what Meeks' relationship with Zorn and Blache is so I don't have an opinion on him. Even though they handled it horribly, by firing Williams at least they ended that soap opera and can move on.

Nightmare scenario? They fall in love with Spagnolo, hire him - and then Williams becomes new D-coordinator for the Giants and Snyder's bad karma comes back to haunt us twice a year.

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | January 28, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

It was a pretty sedate weekend, all things considered. Certainly nothing compared to Vegas in my foolish early 30s (last year) :-) Wish I had some great stories, but I ate well, won some money, and knew when to walk away from the tables. Being old isn't nearly as fun as being young and dumb.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 28, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Wonder why Snyder did all the interviewing at his house (mansion), do you think it was just to show off how much money he has?

Posted by: dtrhodes | January 28, 2008 10:21 AM

Unlike Redskins Park which has lots of loose lips to whisper about such things as a coach search to reporters, Dan's Manse has better security, better food, and a better flatscreen attached to the Playstation.

Posted by: tafka | January 28, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Whoever ends up being the HC, they'll be better than having Williams and Saunders... Those guys just weren't cutting it and would have been gone in a year anyway.
Only problem I have with Snyder right now is promoting Cerrato.. Hopefully he brings in someone like Mariucci to help with personnel decisions.

Posted by: COskins | January 28, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

It sure appears that indifference is setting in. It's probably the only way to keep sane (and your fanhood)during this embarrassing process. In all honesty, does it really matter who gets hired? If Gibbs can't even break .500 here, what makes anyone think that Mooch or Fassel or my guy Grimm can do any better? As perfect a fit as Grimm is, I almost hope he DOESN'T get the job so his reputation stays intact...

Anyone else shopping for a new team?

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 28, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Clinton Portis is not a West Coast offense back.

Jason Campbell is not a West Coast offense QB.

The Skins have been Coryell style offense every year but three in the 27 seasons since 1981: Martyball in 2001, and the Chuck and Duck by Spurrier in 2002-2003.

The Skins are a Coryell offense team.

What's Chris Cooley going to do in the West Coast offense? What do you need deep threat Santana Moss for in a West Coast offense?

If you hire Mooch, you need to get rid of Campbell and bring in a competent West Coast QB. Let Campbell go to Kansas City or Green Bay or somewhere he can use his developing abilities in the Coryell scheme.

Posted by: mirf59 | January 28, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Question for all the "Mr." Snyder defenders up here... (first noting that I'm in the camp of "get this done and I'll root for whomever is the head coach as long as it isn't a Dallas Cowboys guy")

If the team stinks it up next year, are we allowed in your eyes to rail against the incompetence of the owner?

Because, honestly, I don't see where the 'Skins are headed in the "right direction". Sure, the QB is young and getting experience. But the offensive line is old, the defensive backfield is a mess, the linebackers are old and/or injured, and the receivers are all midgets. This team underperformed for the bulk of last year, and were it not for a great/lucky challenge in Minnesota and the luck of playing a Dallas team that nothing to play for in its own right, the team may not have even made the playoffs.

I see a rebuilding year in our future. Which, in some perverse way, benefits us since "Mr." Snyder has so much experience with rebuilding years during his tenure with the 'Skins...

Posted by: PDiddy | January 28, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

mirf59, good calls all the way around, no seriously, I agree, very logical and well thought out post. Especially considering that ABSOLUTELY NOTHING has happened.

Keep up the good work though....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 28, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

A lot of Wilbon haters up here, but please keep him in your thoughts today. Surprised it hasn't hit the wire yet....

Posted by: 4-12 | January 28, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Although I think it would be a little strange for them to wait until after the SB if it's Fassel.

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | January 28, 2008 11:29 AM

If they hire Fassel, they'll probably announce it on SB Sunday.

Posted by: cmecyclist | January 28, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Greg, hasn't your new OC Zorn declared himself to be a West Coast offense guy?

And what gives with Wilbon 4-12?

Posted by: Redcoat | January 28, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

I'm a 49er fan for a long time so I know the connection between Vinny and Mooch. They were both famously associated with picking Jim Druckenmiller as the next Joe Montana-Steve Young. Well, that pick was the worst ever. Don't do it. Don't pick Mooch. What you need to do is fire Vinny. Hire a strong GM. Then pick out a coach.

Posted by: u2krazie | January 28, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

RC was more focused on these two gems:

Clinton Portis is not a West Coast offense back.

Jason Campbell is not a West Coast offense QB.

Lets just cut both guys today, to save the team some face later on.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 28, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Hospital. Heart.

CynCity- You out there today? Any news on Wilbon? Fingers crossed that he's OK.

Posted by: 4-12 | January 28, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Did Vinny and Mooch also pick Owens in the third round?

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 28, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Good call, PDiddy.

But Snyder's problem is that he WON'T rebuild! This team has needed to rebuild in a major way for years, and he insists on putting a band-aid over the gun-shot wound that is this old, over-priced roster. The best thing this team could do is purge the roster of all the high-priced free agent pick-ups (i.e.-Clinton Portis, Marcus Washington, Shawn Springs, Cornelius Griffin, etc.)and reload with draft picks. But that would require a competent front office and an actual dedication to doing things the right way...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 28, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

I'm so sick and disgusted over this whole thing I honestly don't know what to do with myself.

And even more disturbing then the unprofessionalism and chaos that represent every single business day at Redskin park, are the fans (particularily on extremeskins.com) who still think this team and owner can do no wrong.


Posted by: RickyBobby | January 28, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Understood Greg. Not well put, but it is a legitimate question to ask. Some of the chatter drifting around implies that The Owner didn't feel that his franchise QB was being given a proper chance to succeed.

There's no evidence that switching Jason to a West Coast offense - which doesn't really play to his strengths - would be the answer is there?

As for Portis, I dunno. He pretty definitively threw his lot in with Gibbs and Williams, so you'd have to wonder if he has the desire to bond the same way with a new HC. Players are notoriously fickle, but I get the sense that Portis is a little more of a thinker than most. And he's the sort of player that you need playing giving everything he's got, because he doesn't look nearly as good when he's not quite there.

Posted by: Redcoat | January 28, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Clinton Portis is not a West Coast offense back.

Jason Campbell is not a West Coast offense QB.

What's Chris Cooley going to do in the West Coast offense? What do you need deep threat Santana Moss for in a West Coast offense?

Posted by: mirf59 | January 28, 2008 11:36 AM

Portis did OK in Denver a supposed West Coast offense. I have no idea about Campbell but I think Portis might would thrive in that system. The west coast has always utilized receiving TE's as well (bubba franks, dwight clark, the kid from MD who's in SF now) so I think Cooley will be fine. Totally agree with you about the WR's though. They would need a bigger WR to complement Moss - Hell they could use that regardless of the system.

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | January 28, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Again, I'm not defending the owner or anything like that, I'm merely suggesting that perhaps waiting until some games are played, before trading Portis/Campbell might be somewhat logical....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 28, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Hospital. Heart.

CynCity- You out there today? Any news on Wilbon? Fingers crossed that he's OK.

Posted by: 4-12 | January 28, 2008 11:48 AM

Would not wish that on anyone. I hope it's the warning kind and not the other.

Posted by: Redcoat | January 28, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

otumo

Are you for real? You just didn't that did you ??!! Get a grip man or get off this blog.

Posted by: mdvj | January 28, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Clinton Portis is not a West Coast offense back

What's Chris Cooley going to do in the West Coast offense?

Posted by: mirf59 | January 28, 2008 11:36 AM

How do you figure? Do you even know what a West Coast offense is. (See mtnskinsfan's post)

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 28, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

beantowngreg,

I always love your bile! I agree we'll see on the field. We can have theories and thats fun, but thats why sports is great! yOU actually play~!

I am not a gynormous WC Off fan, but people are overreacting. What would Cooley do? Bub have you seen the productions TEs get in WC Off. Thats the last dude to worry about!

Posted by: clawrence | January 28, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

clawrence= ChrIS LaRRy

F outmo

Posted by: clawrence | January 28, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

I think Greg what everyone is scrabbling to understand right now is just what "continuity" was Snyder referring to when he made that statement.

Again, I'm really sorry for you guys. This sort of turmoil is never fun. Being a fan is an irrational process at the best of times, and this brings out the worse side of that irrationality.

otutmo, shame on you. That was neither relevant nor needed here, or anywhere else for that matter.

Posted by: Redcoat | January 28, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

The West Coast offense definately needs some big guys to catch stuff over the middle.

The West Coast offense has been so bastardized over the years that it almost doesn't exist anymore.

The issue of whether or not Cambell can run the West Coast does have me worried. Accuracy and Touch are the two things that stand out to me about the QB of the West Coast offense. Those don't seem to be his strong suits but who knows.

Also ITA all the Antisemites, racists, etc. It's truly not worth your time. They have to be stupid to even make those statements so why try and reason with them.

Posted by: Skinz | January 28, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Hey laldies the Deadskin store in Ballston is closed forever. An omen of things to come I think so. What re you going to do when Danny Boy moves the team LA? Better a team run by a putz then no team at all!
Dan wants to be close to his new church in LA because of his conversion to Scientology!

Posted by: dave2002ti | January 28, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

clawrence, I just don't get the whole idea behind jumping the gun now?? mirf suggested that we need to trade campbell, and that Portis would be a flop. I mean, its just so stupid...and thats not even taking into consideration that the head coach hasn't even been NAMED yet....its laughable, it really is...in an unintentional humor kind of way.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 28, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Out with the racists, lets keep this civil.

Posted by: sunrup | January 28, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Who knew that Air Coryell was a direct descendant of the original West Coast offense? Not me, but this guy says it is.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/inside_game/dr_z/news/1999/10/28/inside_football/

Posted by: tafka | January 28, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

J-Cam moves very well, both in the pocket and downfield. Those are big pluses in mutant WC style offense. Also needs WR that can move with ball on shorter patterns, Moss and ARE can do that. Now could we use a BB player type WR...of course...but lets see if Zorn can survey the talent and gameplam!

Posted by: clawrence | January 28, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Who knew that Air Coryell was a direct descendant of the original West Coast offense? Not me, but this guy says it is.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/inside_game/dr_z/news/1999/10/28/inside_football/

Posted by: tafka | January 28, 2008 12:11 PM

I think you maybe right, I remember Holmgren saying that he almost joined Gibbs' staff in the 80's before the 49'ers. There must be some history there.

Posted by: sunrup | January 28, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Let's not hate Dan Snyder for being Jewish, let's hate him for running our beloved Redskins into the ground.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 28, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Trade Campbell for some new end-zone pylons, and trade Portis for 3 new K-balls for Suisham....

That should do it...

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 28, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

I have a good feeling. The pictures of Jim Zorn on Redskins.com really make him look like Johnny Unitas.

Posted by: dlhaze | January 28, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

i was always under the impression that west coast offenses required smaller, quicker, better route runners as receivers, rather than "big" WRs. obviously a big WR could do those things, but it's not necessary. when rich gannon was lighting up the league for those couple years in oakland, his most prolific receivers were tim brown and jerry rice, along with charlie garner out of the backfield. none of those fit the "big" WR bill.

the patriots run a form of the west coast offense, and their receivers are all speed guys. randy moss is big, but he's not a possession type receiver that makes catches in traffic over the middle. he draws double coverage for one reason; because he's the most dangerous deep threat in the game. santana moss has the ability to have that effect on defenses. i liked caldwell and mccardell last year, and along with cooley and randle el, i think this team's WRs are fine for a west coast offense. the only question mark is whether they can stay healthy.

Posted by: psps23 | January 28, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

I have a good feeling. The pictures of Jim Zorn on Redskins.com really make him look like Johnny Unitas.

Posted by: dlhaze | January 28, 2008 12:21 PM

Yeah, and if you look at Jim Fassel long enough, he kind of looks like Lombardi.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 28, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

what i find hard to understand is how everyone is saying things like "i find it hard to understand what snyder meant by 'continuity?'"

uhhh, newsflash, Greg Blanche is our defensive coordinator and by all appearances, our defensive staff is remaining in-tact. apparently, some people had it stuck in their heads that continuity=greg williams as head coach. its understandable people might assume that, but deep down, we all had some reservations about GG as head coach.

Personally, my main concern was that our defense would be shaken up, especially with all those rumors about rex ryan.... well guess what? the defense that was in the top 10 in the NFL 3 out of the past 4 years is staying the same. And the guy who ruined the 2006 season by being arrogant and thinking he was so awesome and players didnt matter - greg williams - is gone. Our defense will be top 10 next year.

Our offense has been horrid for over a decade and gibbs did NOTHING to dramatically improve things during his 4 year tenure here. Al called ALOT of stupid plays this year and to be honest, our offense has needed alot of work for a long time.

no matter who our head coach becomes, i beleive we will have the continuity snyder spoke of - our defense will stay the same and our offense - which needed fixing - will be.

what is everyone still complaining about? All reservations I had about this whole mess were laid to rest when Blache and olivarti were extended.

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | January 28, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

You guys are totally missing the obvious point. Mooch is an offensive coach. Spagnolo is a defensive coach.

Snyder doesn't even know if he wants an offense guys or a defense guy.

Which means neither coordinator knows what their 'real' job is.

Which means both Zorn and Blache signed up for the ride, not because it was a great job ... they don't know what the job is!!!

Its all very very inept and sad.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 28, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

BANG... late... I am over Gregg Williams now... I vented, I felt sorrow and now that it is beyond hope, I have moved on. That said, I think either Fassel or Mooch would be a great fit for this team. Both are players coaches, and both are great in front of the camera. I think Mooch is more a Snyder type. I think Fassel is a good X's and O's kind of guy. I think Meeks would appease a large segment of the Washington area and would have league wide appeal at many levels. Do I think that McDaniel is a great choice? Is Charlie Weiss a great coach in ND? One year of having the best team in the NFL with the best decision maker at QB in NFL history does not make him a bonafide solid candidate. Spagnuolo is a tough nosed guy, but another one year wonder... give me a little bit of a track record to go on.

Overall, it is still Mr Roboto Cerrato at the helm with Lord Helmet directing his every move... TomKat in the booth and a Napoleonic complex to boot... in the end, you do not win without horses... will we be wise? History does not bode well for us in Mr Roboto... time will tell... but I am coming from the position of show me... dont tell me.

Posted by: Grumplestilskinn | January 28, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Mariucci would be a fine hire, but I still don't understand why we didn't keep the highly accomplished Saunders and Williams, rather than going out and picking up yet another offensive system.

The only thing Cerrato has ever succeeded at is kissing Snyder's behind. He is part of the problem.

Posted by: Dellis2 | January 28, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

"Personally, my main concern was that our defense would be shaken up, especially with all those rumors about rex ryan.... well guess what? the defense that was in the top 10 in the NFL 3 out of the past 4 years is staying the same."

yea, except for the fact that the unequivocal leader of that defense, the guy that created the scheme, brought the players in to fit the scheme, gameplanned the defense himself game in and game out, and altered it to be a top 10 defense 3 out of 4 years despite having only 1 pro bowl player has just been fired. but other than that, yes, everything is the same.

Posted by: psps23 | January 28, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

(sorry for the length)

That Dr. Z article is a legendary piece of football history. It's one of my all-time favorite Dr. Z columns. As he writes, the "real" West Coast offense is the thing Sid Gillman employed (vertical passing game, power running game). Gillman begat Coryell who begat numerous coaches, including Ernie Zampese, St. Joe, Norv Turner, Charlie Weis, Mike Martz, Josh McDaniels, Tom Moore, and several others. The Walsh offense (what folks call the West Coast offense now) is the short passing game offense where the short passes are effectively runs.

I'm sitting here looking at my most prized piece of football memorabilia (well, apart from my autographed Heath Shuler jersey :-) ), a genuine Bill Walsh playbook from when he was the coach the second time around at Stanford. I was told by the guy who gave it to me (who played for Walsh at Stanford) that it was virtually identical to what he used in SF.

It is a misunderstanding to believe that the Walsh offense does not include a deep passing game. How many Montana to Rice bombs had we seen in their time? Indeed, most NFL playbooks are identical. It's all about personnel and playcalling. St. Joe would call an I-formation or Pro Set, but instead of a fullback back there, he might have Didier or Cooley as the H-back. The personnel dictates the defense, which must now honor a hybrid blocker/pass catcher and adjust accordingly. St. Joe's big innovation was multiple motions and shifts designed to give the QB the pre-snap read and to move players into better matchups against the defense. Often, he would run a maximum of 10 different plays in a game, but vary the personnel, formation, and shifts to make it look different to the defense. Walsh's big innovation was 3-step drops and quick passes to wide receivers in lieu of power runs up the middle. The personnel he was saddled with in Cincinnati (where he devised the scheme) dictated those adjustments.

Most of the coaches further down the Gillman and Walsh trees (Billick and Gruden, most notably) run a combination of the two principles.

But keep one very important thing in mind: very few coaches who enjoy success in the NFL do so because they are dogmatic in their philosophy. The successful ones all adjust their philosophy to suit the personnel they have. St. Joe, after all, went from the power running game with John Riggins and George Rogers to the three 1,000 yard receiver air attack with strong-armed QBs in Schroeder, Williams, and Rypien and faster backs like Bryant, Byner, and Ervins.

Jim Zorn is going to be a fine, fine, fine offensive coordinator. It's his time, he's paid his dues both as a player and position coach, and he deserves this opportunity. I worry about JC's psyche, but like I said before, he's a pro. He'll learn the new playbook (hopefully a few hundred pages smaller than the other one) and he'll be fine.

The bigger question is: is Zorn ready to manage a full staff and is he ready to call his own plays?

Posted by: PDiddy | January 28, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

i was always under the impression that west coast offenses required smaller, quicker, better route runners as receivers, rather than "big" WRs. obviously a big WR could do those things, but it's not necessary. when rich gannon was lighting up the league for those couple years in oakland, his most prolific receivers were tim brown and jerry rice, along with charlie garner out of the backfield. none of those fit the "big" WR bill.

the patriots run a form of the west coast offense, and their receivers are all speed guys. randy moss is big, but he's not a possession type receiver that makes catches in traffic over the middle. he draws double coverage for one reason; because he's the most dangerous deep threat in the game. santana moss has the ability to have that effect on defenses. i liked caldwell and mccardell last year, and along with cooley and randle el, i think this team's WRs are fine for a west coast offense. the only question mark is whether they can stay healthy.

Posted by: psps23 | January 28, 2008 12:23 PM

I agree for the most part. The big receivers come in handy though because the theory behind the supposed West Coast offense is that you pass to run. In other words, you use short passes like running plays, ie big, physical receivers. But small, fast receivers can create seperation with their speed and make moves to break free once they have the ball.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 28, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Jasno,
Thanks for the excellent post. It's just the sort of half fact/half speculation that is perfect for RI.

I hope you've read the tea leave correctly, because its hard to believe that Fassel is the guy. I think that Fassel is Dan's backup (like the first time around) and you've made a good case that Mariucci may be the "bigfish."

The PC answer to Maske: "I'm working for the NFL Network right now, and that's all I'm doing." Makes me think he must have a date to dance with Danny.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 28, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Mooch. 15-28 record with the Lions. Another Cerrato pick? right up his alley.

Posted by: zap123 | January 28, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Jasno,
Thanks for the excellent post. It's just the sort of half fact/half speculation that is perfect for RI.

I hope you've read the tea leave correctly, because its hard to believe that Fassel is the guy. I think that Fassel is Dan's backup (like the first time around) and you've made a good case that Mariucci may be the "bigfish."

The PC answer to Maske: "I'm working for the NFL Network right now, and that's all I'm doing." Makes me think he must have a date to dance with Danny.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 28, 2008 12:41 PM

And Zorn's OC, similar offenses? Could be.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 28, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

I CAN LIVE WITH MOOCH WAY MORE
THAN I COULD FASSEL. WHY HAVENT WE APPROACHED RUSS GRIMM YET. KEEP OLIVDOTTI AS QB COACH FOR CAMPBELL.

Posted by: KAMIN0778 | January 28, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Clinton Portis is not a West Coast offense back.

Jason Campbell is not a West Coast offense QB.

The Skins have been Coryell style offense every year but three in the 27 seasons since 1981: Martyball in 2001, and the Chuck and Duck by Spurrier in 2002-2003.

The Skins are a Coryell offense team.

What's Chris Cooley going to do in the West Coast offense? What do you need deep threat Santana Moss for in a West Coast offense?

If you hire Mooch, you need to get rid of Campbell and bring in a competent West Coast QB. Let Campbell go to Kansas City or Green Bay or somewhere he can use his developing abilities in the Coryell scheme.

Posted by: mirf59 | January 28, 2008 11:36 AM

Clearly Portis isn't a west coast back, I mean aren't they usually little shifty guys with good hands? Portis is huge! With hands of stone! No place for good athlete there!

Jason Campbell is no less a West coast offense QB than McNabb is. (tip) he has been pretty successful.

"The Skins are a Coryell offense team." Understood however they aren't good at it so maybe they shouldn't be.

"What's Chris Cooley going to do in the West Coast offense?" West coast offenses have no and i mean NO room for a talented TE. We should instantly replace him with a bum.

"What do you need deep threat Santana Moss for in a West Coast offense?" - Why would you ever want to score on a deep route? There isn't any place for a fast and agile adjustment receiver. Did you know that if you claim to be running a "west coast offense" any play over 20 yards is taken back and rules a penalty?

"Let Campbell go to Kansas City or Green Bay or somewhere he can use his developing abilities in the Coryell scheme." Is ending every drive with a game losing INT a key part of being a Coryell style QB? Let the kid try something different he wasn't amazingly great at what he was doing currently.

Posted by: sams3 | January 28, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Every Redskin is going to be watching out for a knife in the back.

The Pats got tighter and tighter with the owner sticking up for his guys. That is the role model for success in this league.

In the course of this season, the Skins developed that tightness as a team and it showed on the field.

But the Snyder will always be looking to place blame and find fault. Which is why this team will always struggle. And why as the years go by, you will see this thing morph into the Raiders.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 28, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

I could be wrong, but isn't Olivadotti, a Linebackers coach? Not sure he'd be helpful to Campbell in that regard.

We're trading JCampbell anyway....he can't produce in a W/Coast offense, he'd be useless....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 28, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

i've always been curious about coordinator etiquette. do they have to create their own playbooks from scratch once they become coordinators? do they keep the same playbook from their mentors and just tweak a few things? is it considered bad practice if blache just kept williams' playbook and used it for this year, with a few wrinkles added in?

Posted by: psps23 | January 28, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

I could be wrong, but isn't Olivadotti, a Linebackers coach? Not sure he'd be helpful to Campbell in that regard.

We're trading JCampbell anyway....he can't produce in a W/Coast offense, he'd be useless....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 28, 2008 12:51 PM

Greg, you never disappoint me bro. I love the laid back shots you take.

Posted by: sams3 | January 28, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Clearly Portis isn't a west coast back, I mean aren't they usually little shifty guys with good hands? Portis is huge! With hands of stone! No place for good athlete there!

Jason Campbell is no less a West coast offense QB than McNabb is. (tip) he has been pretty successful.

"The Skins are a Coryell offense team." Understood however they aren't good at it so maybe they shouldn't be.

"What's Chris Cooley going to do in the West Coast offense?" West coast offenses have no and i mean NO room for a talented TE. We should instantly replace him with a bum.

"What do you need deep threat Santana Moss for in a West Coast offense?" - Why would you ever want to score on a deep route? There isn't any place for a fast and agile adjustment receiver. Did you know that if you claim to be running a "west coast offense" any play over 20 yards is taken back and rules a penalty?

"Let Campbell go to Kansas City or Green Bay or somewhere he can use his developing abilities in the Coryell scheme." Is ending every drive with a game losing INT a key part of being a Coryell style QB? Let the kid try something different he wasn't amazingly great at what he was doing currently.

Posted by: sams3 | January 28, 2008 12:49 PM

I Love It!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 28, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Who's winning this inter-fan war?

I'm confused, is it the big-endians or the little-endians?

Posted by: Redcoat | January 28, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Umm I think Bill Lazor was the QB coach, Olivadottis has been retained though....as the LINEBACKERS coach!

And Portis' best years were in Denver which runs a variation of the West Coast that just includes more bootlegs and rollouts.....something that JC is very good at. Anybody remember Dwight Clark? He was pretty good in the west coast, philly is a different team when LJ Smith is healthy, Jeremy Stevens had some nice years in Seattle, there is absolutely room for Cooley, and Portis proved he can catch this year this system plays to his strength zone running plays and screens and draws and avoids his weakness of between the tackles work horse running...btw Portis is not "big" he is one of the smaller backs in the league which is why he's been getting hurt as a 300 carry a season back. I think the offensive switch is exactly what this team that struggles to score 21 points needs.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 28, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

The west coast offense (as it's known today, let's not get too technical on it's "true" origin) was invented by Bill Walsh.

It uses short pass' instead of running plays and as such a good pass catching tight end and at least one big WR are preferable because the qb can throw the ball high enough on crossing routes and the bigger reciever should theoretically handle the subsequent hits better.

Also, you have a smaller, faster O-line (using generalities here) who are better at pass blocking so you need the tall reciever for the redzone routes because you lose some short yardage running ability with the light line.

Posted by: Skinz | January 28, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

i hope people soon get over the love-affair they had with williams. Its obvious gibss wanted williams. Its obvious snyder wanted williams... he interviewed the man FOUR TIMES to see if he could make it work.... williams shot himself in the foot. we don't know what he did, but he said or did something to lose the job. Its over for Williams. Remove him from the equation.

Now that hs is removed, who out there would make you people happy?

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | January 28, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

for me...

Mooch
McDaniels
Fassel

in that order

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 28, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

btw Portis is not "big" he is one of the smaller backs in the league which is why he's been getting hurt as a 300 carry a season back.

If this was directed at me I suppose you didn't understand the tone of my post.

Posted by: sams3 | January 28, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Totally random question - if Art Monk and/or Darrell Green get voted into the HOF on Saturday, will I look like a total tool if I wear their jersey out to watch the SB (I'll be in Texas - if I was here, I would not care.) FWIW - I think people that come to a Skins/Miami game wearing a Peyton Manning Colts jersey look like tools.

Cannot deal with the HC thing anymore - until we have an answer. But since everyone but the HC appears to be in place, I might throw my hat in the ring and defer to my new coordinators!

Posted by: suzannepdc | January 28, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

SETH-- never good news when your owner doesn't recognize how important it is to respect the people you hired.

Which is why Cowher will NEVER come to DC, no matter how much $$$ DAnny throws at him.

Everyone coach knows that DC is not the place you go to build a team. Its the place you go to learn, get some nice $$$ and then you move on to someplace else before Danny stabs you on the back.

Give it a few more years and you'll be watching Danny hiring and firing guys like Lane Kiffin. The question is how many decades that it will go on for ...

Seriously, time to turn in those season tix and pressure Danny. My guess is thats the only way these Skins ever get out from under.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 28, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

I CAN LIVE WITH MOOCH WAY MORE
THAN I COULD FASSEL. WHY HAVENT WE APPROACHED RUSS GRIMM YET. KEEP OLIVDOTTI AS QB COACH FOR CAMPBELL.

Posted by: KAMIN0778 | January 28, 2008 12:46 PM

Man...I remember my first day on the Internet...

Posted by: freakzilla | January 28, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Wow, I sware it doens't get any easier to be a skins fan does everyone?

What do you all think, do you think we'll still have Portis, Cooley, Moss and campbell next season?

Posted by: skinsfan4ever21 | January 28, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Now that hs is removed, who out there would make you people happy?

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | January 28, 2008 01:01 PM

Williams?

Posted by: Skinz | January 28, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

wow.....not even sure how to respond to that...my head now hurts....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 28, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Never a tool to wear Art Monk or Darrell Green. Just go ahead and ooze class. And if its cold out, you can always wear the F Danny t-shirt underneath the jersey...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 28, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

I CAN LIVE WITH MOOCH WAY MORE
THAN I COULD FASSEL. WHY HAVENT WE APPROACHED RUSS GRIMM YET. KEEP OLIVDOTTI AS QB COACH FOR CAMPBELL.

Posted by: KAMIN0778 | January 28, 2008 12:46 PM

You're really onto something there. If we moved Olivdotti to QB coach we could move Bugel over to coach the LB's. Perhaps we could rehire Saunders to the PR department and Joe Gibbs could replace Bubba Tyer as team trainer.

Posted by: Skinz | January 28, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

freak, gold baby... that post was gold.

Posted by: sams3 | January 28, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

What's that Greg?

Posted by: Redcoat | January 28, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Anybody know where I can get on of those t-shirts???

Posted by: skinsfan4ever21 | January 28, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

i think it's far from obvious that snyder wanted williams. i personally believe that snyder knew he was the best man for the job, but found out that he couldn't coexist with GG as best friends. which illustrates why everyone hates snyder. this is a business. you get the best man for the job, period. not just someone you enjoy spending time with. NOT vinny cerrato as your head personnel man. NOT jim fassel as HC. this team is nothing more than an expensive toy for snyder, and it p!sses me off. sadly, there's nothing i can do about it. gregg williams got shafted, but he'll be successful wherever he goes next, you can count on that. it's too bad it won't be with the redskins.

that being said, at this point i'll be satisfied with any coach other than fassel. no candidate would make me "happy", but anybody would be fine at this point (except fassel).

Posted by: psps23 | January 28, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Skinz, your plan is near flawless. The only tweak I would make would be to replace Tyler with a goldfish, not Gibbs.

Posted by: sams3 | January 28, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

There are good assistant coaches in place already. The head coach isn't all that important anyway. Gibbs was too old and cautious, so how much worse could anyone else be?

Posted by: oldcameras | January 27, 2008 10:09 PM


"Reality is that which refuses to go away when I stop believing in it."

Philip K. Dick

Posted by: busterkurosawa | January 28, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

I agree psps23.....I really thought that after everything the team went through this season that Williams would be with us for a long time, how wrong was I.

As a life long Skins fan it is very hard to see our owner slowly keep peeling away at the legacy that the Redskins have. I will contuine to love and support the team because I am a die hard skins fan but I only see it getting more difficult as long as DS owns the team and there is no way he is getting rid of his "cash cow"

sad....very sad!

Posted by: skinsfan4ever21 | January 28, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Dan, pick someone who wants to make an impression on the league, an up and coming star. Old loser baggage is not what the fans want. Big names are not going to ruin their reputation no matter how much money you try and throw at them.
Mooch and fossel are not the answers.

Posted by: jamesrice | January 28, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

RC the post suggesting that Cooley/Moss/Portis Campbell, which one might not be on the team next year, and that Portis can't play in a west coast system, and that Campbell should be traded....I mean, if assininity is a word, then that was assininity to the highest degree....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 28, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Shannon Sharpe was a pretty decent receiving TE in the WC offense back in the day. Not sure about our O-line fitting the system. Denver uses smaller quicker guys but they seem to be the exception. My guess is guys like Samuels, Thomas and Rabach will be fine, they're players regardless of system. Probably need some depth though.

Posted by: mtnskinsfan | January 28, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

I think we should hire Leon Lett as Head Coach, we've been tripping over ourselves and bumbling games away for years so he would go a long way towards that continuity that we're looking for.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 28, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

RC the post suggesting that Cooley/Moss/Portis Campbell, which one might not be on the team next year, and that Portis can't play in a west coast system, and that Campbell should be traded....I mean, if assininity is a word, then that was assininity to the highest degree....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 28, 2008 01:20 PM

"asininity"
........very funny.

Posted by: skinsfan4ever21 | January 28, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

If we are gonna break down the WC OFF as related to our talent. Can we at least look at the version Zorn worked with in Seattle:

ie

work horse RB (alexander)

Beast FB (Strong)

BIG o line

Pass catching TE (theoretically Jeremy Stevens, but he did have dropsies)

Smallish WR (branch/koren robinson etc)

Sound familiar. I am siked about Zorn. Call me delusional if you must..

Also look at Zorn's boss: Holmgren in GB

Favre: hardly a touch QB, who has great Deep ball, not prefect accuracy and great legs both in pocket and in downfield scramble.

workhorse back (dorsey levens)

TE galore (Chumora/Franks/that Johnson beast from the U)

Big O line

They did have slightly bigger WR (Sharpe) but not Buress type dudes...

Posted by: clawrence | January 28, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

I can't take it. Everyday I lurk around here (good gawd I'm becoming a lurker)hoping to add something good and the continued clusterf**k makes me want to poke my eyes out with a meat thermometer.

I'm not sure adding a post that reads "Hey does anyone have any idea what is the best way to extract a meat thermometer from your eye socket?" is good. Funny? Sure. Alarming? Yes. Good? Nah.

AGH!

Posted by: sfskin | January 28, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Sign the Bastard!!!!

Posted by: william.bergmann1099 | January 28, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

If fans stop renewing their season tix, Danny is pretty vulnerable. He has the biggest stadium in the league. His other biz stuff hasn't been doing great. I've read that he has a debt to service.

If the waiting list goes away, then he can't readily inflict price increases. If he doesn't sell out season tix, it becomes less valuable to hold season tix. I live in the Bay Area and have seen this spiral hit the Raiders and 49ers. 15 years ago, you couldn't get a 49er ticket. Now, people are giving them away.

The value of the Skins franchise is in the waiting list for tix. If that goes away, Danny will be under a ton of pressure. Vote with your wallet people.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 28, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

H. Clinton for coach!!!

Posted by: brummittw | January 28, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Fassel and Mariucci are not winners. The only reason to put one of them in HC position would be as a one-year place-holder.

I'm sticking with an out-of-nowhere surprise: Jeff Fisher.

Gregg Williams can head coach the Titans in his place.

I think waiting until after the Super Bowl is a smokescreen, or at best an artificial deadline, to give Williams and Saunders some time to get hired elsewhere.

And don't know if anyone else has posited this before, but it's looking more and more to me like Snyder was going to get rid of Williams and Saunders anyway, even if Gibbs had stayed on another year. I am thinking Gibbs knew that or at least suspected, and hence his sudden departure, so he wouldn't be at the helm as team president doing that to the two men who pulled out the season for him -- Williams with the defense stepping up despite losing Sean Taylor, and Saunders with Todd Collins, who should be team MVP for the year.

Posted by: Xlnt | January 28, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

zce that's an interesting take. although Snyder keeps his money status quiet (who doesn't?) I'm sure that at least some of the required numbers will be in the public domain.

sfskin, good to see you here - even in painful circumstances. At least if you just keep sticking the thermo in one eye only you will have the other one left for next season!

Posted by: Redcoat | January 28, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Good point zcezcest1, I let my season tickets go just this week!! Take that snyderboy!!

Posted by: stuff123 | January 28, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

ZC, The only thing worse than the redskins with money is the Redskins without money. Do you honestly think that Dan Snyder is going to listen to you if you stop going to the games? The only reason they are competitive at all is because they dish out money.

The Redskins are a tradition, people aren't going to stop going because he is changing the coaches in an attempt to win.

If you don't want your tickets any more I will gladly take them off your hands.

Posted by: sams3 | January 28, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

If fans stop renewing their season tix, Danny is pretty vulnerable. He has the biggest stadium in the league. His other biz stuff hasn't been doing great. I've read that he has a debt to service.

If the waiting list goes away, then he can't readily inflict price increases. If he doesn't sell out season tix, it becomes less valuable to hold season tix. I live in the Bay Area and have seen this spiral hit the Raiders and 49ers. 15 years ago, you couldn't get a 49er ticket. Now, people are giving them away.

The value of the Skins franchise is in the waiting list for tix. If that goes away, Danny will be under a ton of pressure. Vote with your wallet people.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 28, 2008 01:31 PM


Are you perriculum in disguise?

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 28, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Snyder should hire the janitor as head coach...At least he/she stands the best chance of cleaning up his mess.

Posted by: jamesrice | January 28, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Are you perriculum in disguise?

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 28, 2008 01:43 PM

That's an odd question. Periculum (Pete?) was often totally out of left field, I'm not sure I get what was wrong with what was said by zcecest1.

Posted by: Redcoat | January 28, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

zjfr -- we never agree on anything, but I don't wear disguises except in my CIA days

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 28, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

@(#*&$(@#*&$(*@#&$@(#*&$@@($&(@#*&$(@#*&$

I just wrote this really really long post with questions and stuff and a way for me to avoid the meat thermometer!

Of course that means you all dodged my vebal vomit.

I shall piece meal I guess.

Question Numero Uno:
Quien es mas macho? Fernando Llamas? O Ricardo Montalban? Quien es mas macho? Senor Llamas o Montalban?

Posted by: sfskin | January 28, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Question Numero Dos

If Jim Zorn is a QB guy (right?) and you hire him as OC, persumably to work with Soups. Then why hire Fassel? Haven't the arguments for Fassel been mostly centered around him being this big QB guy? Isn't that redundant redundancy?

Posted by: sfskin | January 28, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Khan/Mr Roarke for me every time sf.

Posted by: Redcoat | January 28, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

suzannepdc:
I will wear my #81 jersey to watch the Super Bowl no matter if Art is elected or not. Wearing #81 is ALWAYS appropriate.

I feel that it would be even more important to wear it if, as has been the case for seven years, he is denied.

I think Mr. Green should refuse enshrinement until Mr. Monk goes in as well. I know that will never happen. But, I will never set foot in the Pro Football Hall of Fame until Art monk is enshrined.

ArtMonkHOF'08

Posted by: youcrew | January 28, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

james, did you get an A+ in jokes from the beginning of time class? All that is missing is the drum sting.

Posted by: sams3 | January 28, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

I'm fine with the way things have gone, this staff has been the highest paid underachievers in the league for years. I mean its just been one dumb decisions after another for years:

Lavar
Sitting Sean have his first season
Archuletta signing and usage (everyone knew he couldn't cover)
Ducket signing and usage (had a pretty nice year for Detroit this season)
Brunel
Ryan Clark
Blloyd
Drafts (Jordan Palmer...great pick when you have 4 QBs on your roster at the time)
Lemar Marshall (as in a WLB at best)
Warrick Holdman (Rocky sat for a whole year)
Todd Wade to guard
never matching up with TO on his way to 4tds with the same routes against our stubborn zone
and the countless clock mismanagement bad challenges and other dumb in game decisions
Also never playin a good second half

that's all just off the top of my head, nothing about that staff except for a mostly above avergae defense, decent special teams, and Joe Bugel performed as it should....I've been saying keep the good out with the bad which we have done with the staff purge/retention.....and to the poster who said Mooch and Fassel are losers....you don't know much about football, Fassel was above .500 coach of the year twice and multiple division winner (when was the last time the Redskins won the East? 1997!!!) and went to the super bowl, Mooch, multiple division winner and went to a superbowl, how could anybody look at these guys and say they're losers.....

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 28, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Isn't that redundant redundancy?

Posted by: sfskin | January 28, 2008 01:51 PM

Maybe it works like maths; a double-negative is actually a positive, so maybe 2x "works well with QBs" means Jason comes on in leaps and bounds.

Posted by: Redcoat | January 28, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

sfskin,
Yea, I totally get it.
(hmm, scissors)

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 28, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Question Numero Tres

Did Daniel Snyder attend a seminar entitled "How to Run Your Team like a Three Ring Circus, Consistently Produce Mediocrity and Still Make Boatloads of Cash?"
Keynote speakers - Al Davis, Peter Angelos, Dudes who Run the New York Knicks

Posted by: sfskin | January 28, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

and to the poster who said Mooch and Fassel are losers....you don't know much about football, Fassel was above .500 coach of the year twice and multiple division winner (when was the last time the Redskins won the East? 1997!!!) and went to the super bowl, Mooch, multiple division winner and went to a superbowl, how could anybody look at these guys and say they're losers.....

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 28, 2008 01:53 PM
________________________

I said they're not winners.

Both of them were fired from their most recent HC jobs, right?

Posted by: Xlnt | January 28, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

My cousin has a friend that works at a DC Popeyes and said he saw Clinton Portis there and overheard him say that ARE was going to be the QB of the future.

True Story.

SHABINGUS!

Posted by: Dorf | January 28, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

being fired doesn't mean your winner or a loser, it just means you didn't fit into the teams plans, by your logic then we should never have even considered GG he was 17-31 as a head coach and got fired.......your dumbness is tough to converse with.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 28, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Hey Dorf, were the Shabingi those dudes with the piggy noses and really big ears on Deep Space Nine?

Posted by: Redcoat | January 28, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

I really don't know much about the ownership structure in DC. My best guess/hope for this team to have much of a future is for the $$$ pressure to hit Danny. I don't think he is the sole owner.

And I do think the value of the team is in the waiting list. In biz, we measure backlog, its a sign of demand. And demand for Skins tix has always been thru the roof.

Well, the Skins have added 35,000 seats since RFK days a decade ago. A bunch when Gibbs returned. There is also football in Baltimore which impacts the base just a bit. So Danny has to sell in a more competitive market. And Danny already struggles to sell all the luxury boxes

But if the wait list starts dropping dramatically, its Danny's partners that will apply pressure.

If the Skins only sell 70,000 season tix, a big figure for almost any franchise, the incentive to own season tix will drop. I suspect a lot of folks hate paying full fare for preseason games. If it gets to the point that you know you can go to any game you want without paying much different than face value, the incentive to renew season tix just plummets.

This doesn't happen overnight, but Danny is ripping the fabric of this franchise apart. You have to trust and respect the people working for you and Danny doesn't. So good people will stay away. And he'll turn this thing into the Raiders and Al Davis.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 28, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

cue someone railing against losing Antonio Pierce in......5...4...3...2...

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 28, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

zjfr2 - don't forget the stellar decisions made by the FO

Spurrier
Spurriers Band o' Gator players
Jeff George (shudder)
Deion Saunders
Bruce Smith
Dana "Balco" Stubblefield
Firing Schottenheimer after 1 year
Trung Canidate
Keeping Michael Westbrook
Gardner, Rod
Cutting Stephen Davis

Have there been the same number of good decisions - absolutely. But these bad ones are like termites in the foundation eating away and eating away.

Sheesh I didn't realize I'm hosting Debbie Downer today.

Posted by: sfskin | January 28, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Chew on this for a bit guys.... Looks like Air Snyder was in LA to talk to Carrol, not teh Mooch.

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80649855

Posted by: KSILVER | January 28, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

being fired doesn't mean your winner or a loser, it just means you didn't fit into the teams plans, by your logic then we should never have even considered GG he was 17-31 as a head coach and got fired.......your dumbness is tough to converse with.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 28, 2008 01:58 PM
__________________________

It is tough to converse with because I don't think like you do?

Try thinking like Dan Snyder seems to be thinking these days .... he FIRED Gregg Williams. He wasn't enough of a winner. And he DIDN'T hire him as head coach.

Maybe you can't converse with my thinking because you don't assimilate well.

Posted by: Xlnt | January 28, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Montalban uber alles.

Anybody have a take on Monk's chances? I haven't heard any updates since he got to the small group.

And, don't mean to poke the hornet's nest, but with new OCs and HC, do any of you think that Receiver, The will manage to stick around a little longer? You have to wonder...

Posted by: MNSkinsFan | January 28, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: CMoney1 | January 28, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat, that must have been the BBC version.

The only thing close to Shabingus to me would be Bing Crosby.

Posted by: Dorf | January 28, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

POSTED 1:57 p.m. EST, January 28, 2008

NO MOOCH IN D.C.?

A source with knowledge of the dynamics in the Washington front office firmly believes that former San Francisco and Detroit head coach Steve Mariucci won't be the next coach of the Redskins.

Though both Mariucci and 'Skins executive V.P. of football operations Vinny Cerrato worked together in San Fran, Mariucci was hired by former Niners owner Eddie DeBartolo and front-office exec Carmen Policy. "Mooch was never a Vinny guy," the source said.

Mariucci has been linked to the job via informed speculation from Jason La Canfora of the Washington Post.

Posted by: nojunk4me | January 28, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

oh yeah. Tyer, too. He's old school, been fired before, brought back, etc. But, does his staying have anything to do with the rash of quads and pulled-muscle sort of injuries from last year?

Posted by: MNSkinsFan | January 28, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Question Numero Quatro

Based on who the top tier HC candidates appear to be including the rumored Mooch do we think Snyder is looking for a "place holder" coach? i.e. someone who he thinks can help the team be successful, build around draft picks, set up foundation and then bow out a la Tuna in Dallas and NE?

Yes that would be smart strategic thinking. I think Snyder is fully capable, I just think the people he looks at to help carry out the strategy are where it all falls apart.

Or is he thinking we're this close (hold up finger and thumb) to an SB and just need one little nudge to get us there? Clearly that nudger is a Fassel or Mooch?

Posted by: sfskin | January 28, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

What I want to know is how many of us are highly-paid (almost typed "highly-laid") professionals, surfing the sports websites and hitting refresh on Jasno's blog, when there will be no official news for at least a week, while our clients pay for it (private, government consulting)?

Posted by: nojunk4me | January 28, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

He didn't fire GG cause he "wasn't enough of a winner" nobody has ever said that, he fired him apparently because he didn't like him. Sometimes your fired because your a loser, sometimes your fired because of personality, sometimes your fired because your organization is just going in a different direction. Marty went 14-2 and got canned! sometimes its just politics, Billick won a Super Bowl and just a year ago was 13-3, you think he's a loser? Jimmy Johnson got fired from the Cowboys and is arguably the best coach they ever had. Both Mooch and Fassel have proven they can coach and succeed in the NFL, they are far from losers, maybe you don't think they're right for the Skins and that's fine your entitled to your opinion, but don't say they're losers cause they are very far from it.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 28, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

The only thing close to Shabingus to me would be Bing Crosby.

Posted by: Dorf | January 28, 2008 02:06 PM

Reminds me of an old joke. Warning: if you don't like groaners, feel free to skip by.

* read this in a Scots accent *

Q. What's the difference between Bing Crosby and Walt Disney?
A. Bings sings, but Walt disnae!

I'm here all week. Try the fish, and don't forget to tip your server.

Posted by: Redcoat | January 28, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

what a brain trust, vinny and danny. they'd be lucky to get a fassel or mooch? Those two washed up coaches should be lucky to play raquetball with the two of destroyers of the once proud redskins.

rember there's another team in MD to root for! Go Ravens!

Posted by: jdb70 | January 28, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Do we think Pete Carroll would be a replay of Spurrier?

Also if USC is about to get shutdown due to the Reggie Bush shenanigans then wouldn't Carroll want to jump ship?

Oh my gawd I think I'm going to cry!

Posted by: sfskin | January 28, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Its funny how the media picked up on Janso's musing. Seems to me he clearly stated he was "thinking aloud" and just sort of playing with things...

Posted by: clawrence | January 28, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

PPS - Best episode of The Wire ever last night. McNaulty off the deep end entirely. Prop Joe is gone. Omar back with a vengeance. Killing off Joe (and Hungry Man to a lesser degree) - especially with Cheese of all people giving Prop up and Marlo the new undisputed king of slinging - is like killing off any semblance of the old-school "code" in the game. Any shred of ethics on the corners is gone. That show is beyond real. I already miss it and there's like 4 episodes left. Every scene is epic.

By Jason La Canfora | January 27, 2008; 9:47 PM ET

Ah the Wire. The ONLY topic where Jason and Barno are on the same page. When he said last night's was the "best episode" ever, I thought for a minute he was referring to the episode which becomes available On Demand at midnight on Sundays--which is always a week before it airs on HBO. I watched that episode--the newest one--plus the one JLC saw last night. Both were epic.

I am so depressed there are only 5 more episodes left. There will never be another show like it, as long as we live. Truly the greatest thing ever put on film. Ever.

Posted by: barno | January 28, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

cL, what happened to your 'proper' Cl logon today? Are you operating as an alternate personality for a while or something?

Posted by: Redcoat | January 28, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

I'm literally afraid to go to the sports section and find out the latest news. Someone said Mariucci would be a good hire. Allow me to retort!

No he wouldn't. He is a loser. Read any report about his Detroit years and it reads like Spurrier's years here. Cell phones in meetings, lax rules, the inmates running the asylum. Classic case of the re-tread coach who gives good quotes. He ran those SF teams into the ground. How many 4-12 seasons did they have before that chooch took over? Not many.

The Snyder, Dan.net continues to embarrass this once proud franchise. Everyday is something worse than the day before.

The GD plane has crashed into the mountain!

-ArtMonkToTheSticks

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | January 28, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Forgot to say, I also LOVE The Wire. I'm very sorry to see it go (ah, at least I'll have the DVDs).

Too bad it never got the hype that other HBO shows like the Sopranos (later episodes during which I would scream out "DO SOMETHING!!!") or Sex and the City (which I also loved) were afforded. Or the publicity that went to craptastic shows like Deadwood.

Posted by: nojunk4me | January 28, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

rember there's another team in MD to root for! Go Ravens!

Posted by: jdb70 | January 28, 2008 02:10 PM

Burn in Hell!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 28, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

I was a big fan of this team for 40 years. The Gibbs 2.0 era had lots of issues. Bad signings, getting rid of too many picks and dubious trades. Poor game mgmt and even worse cap mgmt. A bizarre coaching structure, etc.

And in 2007, it came together. A team that had so much go so wrong did a remarkable number of things right. Against a tough schedule, they competed well against everyone, except NE. They made the playoffs. The win streak at the end of the season, the offense was good and the defense was great. The organization was respected again.

When a team comes together, you see if you can run with that. Danny had that with Marty and fired him. Gibbs 1.0 did that in Gibbs first season when they were 0-5 and finished 8-8. Next year, they won a Super Bowl.

Today, we are watching a movie sequel. The names will change, the story will be the same. Like most movie sequels, the story will get worse and worse. After messing twice with A-list coaches Gibbs and Marty, you can bet that no more A-list coaches will be calling DC home.

Inspiring players is tricky stuff. If you don't respect them, you will never get them to reach their peak levels. Danny has told the players he doesn't respect what they accomplished in 2007 and that he doesn't respect them as people.

Its time for Skins fans to do what they can to stop Danny -- at all costs. I got to see first hand the Yorks clean out Bill Walsh's legacy in SF. And SF has been a disaster since. Danny Snyder is that type of owner. I wish the answers were easier, but as long as Danny is there, this franchise is in trouble.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 28, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

suzanne,

you never need a reason or an excuse to wear a Skin's jersey.
whether it's monk or green, or didier or byner, wear it proud.

just sayin'....

Posted by: RedskinWillie | January 28, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

I'm okay with Mooch coming here. *Much* more so than Fassel. Don't know why; maybe it's a personality thing. After all, Fassel's gotten to a Super Bowl; Mooch never has. But I lived in SF for a few years while he was the coach, and even though I was a Redskins fan and thus didn't really care much about the 49'ers, thought he did a pretty decent job. He got them to the playoffs a few times if I remember correctly, and the Niners really tanked after they booted him out of town.

I'm starting to wonder if Danny-boy & Co. are vetting out their candidates for Jasno to speculate on here, and then judging the fan reaction in the comments. Last week, Fassel was all but hired, but then everyone here raised the pitch forks and torches and, well, what do you know? Fassel not so much of a sure thing! It could still come to pass, but the fact that it didn't last week makes me doubt it.

Reaction to Mooch, from what I can tell, seems to be a bit more positive around here.

As for Ron Meeks, giving him a second interview at least satisfies me that they're paying more than face value to the Rooney rule. Or is getting a second interview a sure sign you're NOT going to get the job? Or does that only apply if you get MORE than 2 interviews? Or if you've already been with the organization for 4 years?

Posted by: taupecat | January 28, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Let me tell you why I hate Snyder:

1. Chris Burman says so.
2. My mommy says so.
3. The media says he does things wrong.
4. I don't make my own decisions.
5. My daddy says so.
6. He is a poopy head.

Posted by: sams3 | January 28, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Great job, Jason, of dotting the I's and crossing the T's. The case you built is very compelling.

It does seem DS always has a trick up his sleeve. I just hope it ain't FOSSIL. The one thing with Mooch as HC is he strikes me as a ditzy coach. I also worry about him imposing the necessary discipline on the players. I understand he's a people's guy, but that could also mean he tiptoes around issues, especially when it comes to dealing with players. We don't want a politician, we want a bonafide coach.

Posted by: helmanan | January 28, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Detroit is Detroit, I'm not saying that Mooch or Fassel are the best guys for the job but just stop saying they're losers, cause that's just wrong.....they are winning nfl coaches, playoff coaches, divsion winning coaches, superbowl coaches, they are coach of the year winners, that doesn't just happen by luck.....maybe they aren't the right guys but use some better logic than "they're losers"....I happen to agree that both may be a little too player friendly especially with a spotlight diva guy like Clinton Portis on the roster, but don't say they are losers, I like the McDaniels idea a lot actually, he ran a great offense in New England found a way to manage egos throughout his time there and would be hungry to prove he's a winner....but I don't think he or meeks or schmidt or spags would come here without being able to at least assemble their own staff so I think it has to be a retread guy like Fassel or Mooch and if they come in and win every last one of you will change your tune in a hurry, the truth is, this was Gibbs' fault, there was going to be change and upheaval no matter what as soon as he announced his retirement, the process has been a little unorthodox but let's wait and see what happens...

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 28, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

West Coast is first and foremost getting the ball out quickly.. Doesn't seem to me JC does that.. he's got a long throwing motion.. from way low (which is why defenses hit it away from him when he's running).. i think the two stooges (soon to be a third) are going in the wrong direction offensively.. the OC from the patriots looks like the best ticket for JC to me.. brady a drop back, pocket guy.. and there's always someone open.. he's the best guy for JC..

Posted by: vpar57 | January 28, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

RedskinsWillie is right.

You don't have to love Danny or the coach; but if you're a fan, you'll always love this team.

Posted by: _Stumped_ | January 28, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

rember there's another team in MD to root for! Go Ravens!

Posted by: jdb70 | January 28, 2008 02:10 PM


You've got to be kidding me....that is a freakin joke right???!!!!!!!

Posted by: skinsfan4ever21 | January 28, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

taupe, interesting point about snyder leaking stuff to gauge fan reaction, however i dont think he cares so much about the limited fan reaction here. if you are a memeber of extremeskins, it was CRAZY last week. the mods were working overtime merging all the "i hate fassil" and "i hate snyder" threads. since extremeskins is the official redskins site, i imagine they probably pay pretty close attention to it. the comments in the blogs here are much too disorganized to pay attention to.

Posted by: SETH.LEMASTER | January 28, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

The one guy I'd like to see get a chance is Jim Schwartz. In the end, I think it'll be him. Read somewhere he's got a Belichik-type intelligence. He's young and motivated and won't press too much on the fact that his coordinaters were already chosen for him.

I think he should get a serious look.

Posted by: helmanan | January 28, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

I happen to agree that both may be a little too player friendly especially with a spotlight diva guy like Clinton Portis on the roster,

Your post almost made sense until you said this.

Have you ever seen anythign from Clinton Portis? Do you have any idea who he is? Have you ever listened to anythin he has said? I think you are mistaking good for Diva. He is one of the most selfless players on the team.

Posted by: sams3 | January 28, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

MD has a team?

Posted by: Skinz | January 28, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

The one guy I'd like to see get a chance is Jim Schwartz. In the end, I think it'll be him. Read somewhere he's got a Belichik-type intelligence. He's young and motivated and won't press too much on the fact that his coordinaters were already chosen for him.

I think he should get a serious look.

Posted by: helmanan | January 28, 2008 02:27 PM

He just signed an extention with the Titans.

Posted by: greg_hughes90 | January 28, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

I think they can work with JC on his throwing motion. The main thing that will help him shorten it up would be to have recievers get open.

Posted by: sams3 | January 28, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

tks Stumped, and back at ya.

what i don't get, can't get, is how people come on here and post about bein' done wif' the skins. gonna find another team. don't really hate the giants all that much.

are you SJKin' me??

if you can walk away from your team when times are tough, you don't have a team. i bet ya snitched on yer friends when you got caught, too.

Posted by: RedskinWillie | January 28, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Pete Carroll has 15 years NFL experience. Spurrier? He had Danny Woeful and a brief stint with the USFL.

Not the same.

Still a SHABINGUS!

Posted by: Dorf | January 28, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

I happen to agree that both may be a little too player friendly especially with a spotlight diva guy like Clinton Portis on the roster,

Your post almost made sense until you said this. Have you ever seen anythign from Clinton Portis? Do you have any idea who he is? Have you ever listened to anythin he has said?

Posted by: sams3 | January 28, 2008 02:29 PM

I think the Blefuscans are winning.

Posted by: Redcoat | January 28, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Ah Loseable Type - why do you love me, lil'ole me so much?!?

The Wire - best thing on TV ever period.

Shall we drive non-Wire fans crazy and start deciding who in the Skins organization is who in The Wire cast of characters? Or has that been done already?

Can't decide if Snyder is Carcetti or Cerrato. Snyder is Carcetti and Cerrato is Rawls.

I can feel the rotten tomatoes coming over the internets already.

Posted by: sfskin | January 28, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

For those of you who want to boycott, get rid of your season tix, etc, keep in mind that Snyder is extremely stubborn and probably will never sell the team. If it becomes unprofitable to keep the team in DC/MD, guess what.....they will become the Los Angeles Redskins, or whatever city will essentially pay out the a$$ to get a team. If you do drop your season tix, thanks; I sit in section 448 and look very much forward to moving to a better section......rant complete.

Posted by: dlhaze | January 28, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Pete Carroll has 15 years NFL experience. Spurrier? He had Danny Woeful and a brief stint with the USFL.

Not the same.

Still a SHABINGUS!

Posted by: Dorf | January 28, 2008 02:33 PM

Dorf - agreed. What I meant was if Carroll comes here will it be a replay of Spurrier.
Carroll's NFL career is slightly above average although he inherited a good roster as I recall.

Posted by: sfskin | January 28, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Mariucci is definitely more interesting than Jim Fassel, and it makes perfect sense to have Jim Zorn work with someone else from the Holmgren tree of the West Coast offense.

Also, hiring an offensive minded coach would give Zorn more time to work with Jason Campbell. The more I think about it, the better I like the idea of Mariucci.

Posted by: vetti2u | January 28, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

I love this team.. and always will love the redskins team.. been with them since the days of george allen, but lets face it.. we have an embarassing, moron for an owner.. and an even bigger moron second in charge.. i still say we'll never win with this owner.. he's lucky he's so stinking rich because that's the only way he gets people to work for him.. is pay them lots of money, otherwise, they'd never come here. the biggest mystery in life is how that moron got so stinking rich..

Posted by: vpar57 | January 28, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sure if this is the greatest thing ever or the next sign of the apocalypse.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7212778.stm

I think we may need these at FedEx.

Posted by: sfskin | January 28, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Carcetti means well most of the time he's just self obsessed.

Danny was Stringer Bell.

Ceratto is a Mixture of Wee Bay and Clay Davis.

Gibbs is Daniels.

Bugel is Valchek.

Grilliams is Lester.

Don Breax is Jay Landsman.

Posted by: Skinz | January 28, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

We have not seen a semblance of consistency from our team in 10 years (15 if you count Norv consistently sucking). What will be will be and we'll just have to go along with it. Or root for the Ravens/Panthers. I'll take my chances with the Skins.

Posted by: Dorf | January 28, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Weed College

Posted by: sams3 | January 28, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

The Ravens have a winning feel to them. You can tell from the moment you walk into the lobby.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 28, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Forgot to say, I also LOVE The Wire. I'm very sorry to see it go (ah, at least I'll have the DVDs).

Too bad it never got the hype that other HBO shows like the Sopranos (later episodes during which I would scream out "DO SOMETHING!!!") or Sex and the City (which I also loved) were afforded. Or the publicity that went to craptastic shows like Deadwood.

Posted by: nojunk4me | January 28, 2008 02:19 PM

I'm not surprised it never got the hype of other HBO shows. It takes a brain and a whole lot of time and patience to enjoy the Wire. Any old fool can watch almost any episode of the Sopranos from any season and pretty much know everything that's going on. But to enjoy the Wire, you must start from the very beginning and watch each and and every episode from every season, otherwise you'll be totally lost.

Posted by: barno | January 28, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Riggo is definitely McNulty...lol

Posted by: bmangell | January 28, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Don't know why you'd hire Carroll unless you plan to go to a BCS bowl.

Posted by: spidey103 | January 28, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

I've been reading the doom and gloom for a few weeks and I think everyone needs to take a few deep breathes. I've been following the skins since the 60's and other then the 80's we were never dominant. These past 4 years with GW we've had a pretty good "D" but more often then not managed to give away games. Remember that 5-11 record a few years back-Most of those loses were of 3-4 point come from behind games-which means we didn't have a killer instinct on "D". With our suddenly "greatest coach ever" GW tossed aside (While I agree they could have been nicer about it) he was not the answer here. And as much as I love Joe he wasn't the second time around either.

Now we have a chance to get some one good (If it's Fassel then I am as perplexed as the next guy)and Mooch may be that guy-or perhaps Meeks. Our coordinators should be good-Zorn has a great rep inside the NFL as does our new DC. We keep talking about the need for new blood=lets see how this works out.

Lets see were this goes in a week.

Posted by: jandlml | January 28, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Don't know if anyone pointed it out but PFT is saying Carroll said no to HC job.

This is sad consolation - bit like saying well I'm dead but at least I got shot instead of hanged. . . . which is the Skins can still maybe attract some good people here. Who is goint to be HC for Oakland? Would anyone want to work there?

Posted by: sfskin | January 28, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Mariucci? Snyder thinks he's better suited than G. Williams? Yeah, he was so successful as head coach that he's been fired twice by two teams. Why not hire the current 49ers coach. At least he's got direct ties to the Skins. Mike Nolan used to be defensive coord. for the Skins.

Posted by: tasaking | January 28, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Question Numero Uno:
Quien es mas macho? Fernando Llamas? O Ricardo Montalban? Quien es mas macho? Senor Llamas o Montalban?

Posted by: sfskin | January 28, 2008 01:48 PM

A little late on this reply, but:

I vould like
to feed your fingerteeps
to the vulbereens!

Posted by: dlhaze | January 28, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

I've been reading the doom and gloom for a few weeks and I think everyone needs to take a few deep breathes.
Now we have a chance to get some one good (If it's Fassel then I am as perplexed as the next guy)and Mooch may be that guy-or perhaps Meeks. Our coordinators should be good-Zorn has a great rep inside the NFL as does our new DC. We keep talking about the need for new blood=lets see how this works out.

Lets see were this goes in a week.

Posted by: jandlml | January 28, 2008 02:51 PM

You realize that this sage advice is far too common sense for us to follow right?

Remember we're coked up hamsters and if we weren't running about like hyperventilating headless chickens (which if you think about it takes some degree of talent)then what would we do with our time? Plus our heads might explode.

: )

Posted by: sfskin | January 28, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Ignore otutmo, he'll get bored and go away...

Posted by: Redcoat | January 28, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

The Wire - best thing on TV ever period.

Shall we drive non-Wire fans crazy and start deciding who in the Skins organization is who in The Wire cast of characters? Or has that been done already?

Can't decide if Snyder is Carcetti or Cerrato. Snyder is Carcetti and Cerrato is Rawls.

I can feel the rotten tomatoes coming over the internets already.

Posted by: sfskin | January 28, 2008 02:34 PM

Great idea.

Daniels is definitely Campbell btw...

I wonder what folks who haven't seen the show think when they hear people say the Wire is the greatest thing ever put on film. Do they just roll their eyes and think it's just another fad tv show like some people were obsessed with Sorpranos the Simpsons, and that it CAN'T be as great as these people really say it is?

Well-if you're a doubter, all i can say is I feel sorry for you because you don't even know what you are missing...

Posted by: barno | January 28, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Here's my movie quote of the day:
"Why is it that some people can read War and Peace and come away thinking it's a simple adventure story, while others can read the ingredients on a chewing gum wrapper and unlock the secrets of the universe?"

Name the movie and the screenwriter.

No cheating!

(yes, I'm bored with this head coach search nonsense.)

Posted by: PDiddy | January 28, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Skinz - like the rundown on Wire and Skins but don't agree that Williams is Lester.
Maybe Bunk?
Big question - who is Omar? My favorite TV character ever.

dlhaze - nice very nice.

Cheeseburger cheeseburger cheeseburger cheeseburger

Posted by: sfskin | January 28, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Let's not hate Dan Snyder for being Jewish, let's hate him for running our beloved Redskins into the ground.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 28, 2008 12:16 PM

why are most of you jewish here? Like I said danny boy is a f...ing moron

Posted by: otutmo | January 28, 2008 02:54 PM

Um, TheCindy, little help?

Posted by: barno | January 28, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Superman Returns Diddy? No idea who wrote it though.

Posted by: Redcoat | January 28, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

See I think Snyder is Carcetti because I think Snyder does think he means well but is willing to do whatever HE thinks is right to win. Carcetti wants to be gov and so sells BPD out.

Diddy - in honor of the writer's strike I can't answer your question. . . yeah it's because of the strike

Posted by: sfskin | January 28, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

I don't watch "The Wire", but I don't have the time or patience to watch a bunch of DVDs in a row.

I do like the new Sarah Connor show, though. And I think "Chuck" and "Heroes" are fun in a cotton candy kind of way. I also love "Friday Night Lights". I can't wait for "Lost" to start up again.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 28, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Based on having a rookie OC the skins are going to have to hire a Offensive minded head coach. (fassel,mooch) not meeks or giants DC.

Posted by: sblische | January 28, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

BONG!

Posted by: bigmurf08 | January 28, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Close Redcoat...

Posted by: PDiddy | January 28, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

From reading all of the Wire talk on this blog I put it in my Netflix queue; currently "very long wait".......can't wait to check it out.

I'm dlhaze and you're not.

Posted by: dlhaze | January 28, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

It's a great show, best ever? Not so sure but it's definately great.

Prop Joe: Drew Rosehaus

Posted by: Skinz | January 28, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Based on having a rookie OC the skins are going to have to hire a Offensive minded head coach. (fassel,mooch) not meeks or giants DC.

Posted by: sblische | January 28, 2008 03:04 PM

first intelligent post in a while.

Posted by: zjfr2 | January 28, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

LOST starts Thursday! (I think)

One of the best shows on TV - although it pi55es me off to no end!

BONG!

Posted by: bigmurf08 | January 28, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Just Superman then?

I have a recollection that it was Luther who says it but I can't recall what film and I thought it must be that one as I haven't seen the others in years.

Posted by: Redcoat | January 28, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

And if it was the first one, then I think it was Mario Puzo (The Godfather) who wrote the script?

Posted by: Redcoat | January 28, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

To be considerate - this is not a football related post - it's TV related

I like the Sarah Connor show too. I didn't expect to but I'm surprised at how good it is. I'm even willing to put up with the moronic voice overs which were also in the movies. Plus I think Lena Headley is pretty good eye candy for everyone, boys, girls, straight, gay, asexual, polyamorous, questioning. . .

FNL - outstanding show. I'm hoping the writers strike helps keep it alive another season.

Posted by: sfskin | January 28, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Poor Prop Joe got snuffed out last night, but at least Marlo was kind and told him to close his eyes and take a deep breath before he pulled the trigger.

Too bad Snyder and Cerrato didn't afford Williams the same courtesy this weekend with their embarrassing display of disrespect. Show some class and thank the man for his efforts here before you smear his name and run him out of town on a rail. Yet another coach who'll come in here in the future looking for revenge against our team. Terrific...just what we need.

That said, what about Lane Kiffin as our next HC? Snyder might go after him now that Al Davis is firing him and/or asking for his resignation. Any word on his status?

Posted by: mommyskinsfan | January 28, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Cerrato = Herc

Posted by: CBT | January 28, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Correct on both counts, Redcoat. One of the most intelligent screenplays in film history. The story behind how it got butchered in editing is highly unfortunate...

Posted by: PDiddy | January 28, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Great work!
Sounds like it would be a great hire, and would take the bad taste out of our mouth. Mariucci has all the qualities you want in a HC. The entire package sounds good too. Whoever Snyder hires, it definitely needs to be someone who can work with him and his need to be involved. I may hold off on giving up my tickets. Sure more acceptable than Fassel in my mind.

Posted by: bfjam | January 28, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

I "heard" that this is the last season for Lost and the writers are going to (or already have) set closure to everything. Should be good.

Posted by: dlhaze | January 28, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

If I had to make $nyder a TV character (he's already a real-life character), I'd make him Artie Ziff--a short billionaire, who acts like a petulant child, who thinks he can buy his way into what he wants (e.g., Marge's love).

Posted by: nojunk4me | January 28, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

i like mooch as a coach. that being said, i'm concerned about the skins running a west coast offense. we don't have that physical possession receiver, and campbell, so far, has not shown the type of skills needed in a west coast offense: short-range touch and accuracy, quick release, reading the defense pre-snap.

i saw campbell as the perfect fit for a gibbs/saunders offense. very much in the mold of rypien, williams, and green, only more athletic than any of them. his best asset is his deep ball. i hope we don't shy away from that.

one positive with mooch and zorn is that at least the offense will be on the same page on gameday. no differences in philosophy between the HC and the one calling hte plays. i remember in sf (i was out there for mooch) that he never had a problem with holding back on the playcalling.

Posted by: segastyle | January 28, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Never seen The Wire. So yes, barno, that's pretty much the sentiment. Is that the one set Baltimore? And it has a Winning Feel, you say?

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 28, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

I'd agree that it's a great screenplay Diddy, but did Puzo write all the 'portentous' dialogue spoken with Brando?

The Christ-parallels in that part are more than a little laboured.... Although I guess that is a theme of the story anyway.

Posted by: Redcoat | January 28, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Non Fubol

I just watched The Godfather again - holy shmoly what a phenomenal movie.

That first scene at the wedding for some reason this time I was really registering the "artistry" part. It's about 40 minutes and sets up the entire story effortlessly and seamlessly.

Unlike the abomination that is Part III where for the first 20+ minutes they place a bunch of scenes from the first two. It's so clunky. Should never ever have been made.

Posted by: sfskin | January 28, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

SF- Thought about Bunk but I think Lester is the right guy. Very competant, prideful (remember he wouldn't budge and ended up working in the evidence locker for 3 years).

Personal Preferences aside there was but one man for the job of Omar and unfortunately he's no longer with us. Man gotta have a code.

Bunk? I'm thinking Smoot.

Posted by: Skinz | January 28, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Never seen The Wire. So yes, barno, that's pretty much the sentiment. Is that the one set Baltimore? And it has a Winning Feel, you say?

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 28, 2008 03:13 PM

Ditto, but in this case SMACK the Winning Feel is evident from the opening credits.

Posted by: Redcoat | January 28, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

One of Dorf's posts caused me to wander to the Panther's website. I took a look at the bio of their General Manager - John Hurney. He is from Wheaton, MD, and worked as a beat reporter for the Washington Times for 5 years covering the skins. He went to work for the skins in 88, went to San Diego with Beatherd, and eventually became the Panther's GM.

Perhaps Jasno could be our football savior by becoming the GM of the skins.

http://www.panthers.com/Team/StaffBio.aspx?id=2154

Posted by: Markin21132 | January 28, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Ok, maybe I'm crazy, but can anyone see Pete Carroll stepping into the Redskins' situation as it currently sits? I envision him as one of those guys who would demand total control in order to jump back into the NFL. He already makes a gazillion dollars a year, so I doubt that Snyder's money is going to talk in the same way it would with other coaches.

Now, I suppose if the NCAA hellhounds were on his trail, it might be a different thing.

Posted by: acoberst | January 28, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

If I had to make $nyder a TV character (he's already a real-life character), I'd make him Artie Ziff--a short billionaire, who acts like a petulant child, who thinks he can buy his way into what he wants (e.g., Marge's love).

Posted by: nojunk4me | January 28, 2008 03:12 PM


Ever watch the old John Lovitz cartoon "the Critic"? His boss/TV station owner is very Snyder-esque.....

Posted by: dlhaze | January 28, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Superman has always been a Christ-figure in the comics. It's not surprising.

"Lost" goes on for three more seasons (including this one), although they won't be full order seasons. And, yes, there is closure on the horizon :-) The showrunners have promised that the ending won't be a red herring, contrived one. They have assured fans on numerous occasions that there really is a purpose and finality to the show.

We shall see. With most shows, the finale is pretty anti-climactic. If "Lost" finishes well, it will rightfully belong in the pantheon of great television.

Posted by: PDiddy | January 28, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

I'm presuming/assuming that we're going to go after a WR this offseason either as FA or in the draft.

With all the hammies and hemmies problems our depth there is kinda lousy so why not. And if we do then wouldn't it make sense to go after a big guy?

Are we trying to make sense? I forget.

Posted by: sfskin | January 28, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

If we do get Mariucci, is Cerrato going to put him in salary cap hell here like he did in San Fran. Let's face it. We will never get back to our past success under Gibbs. The day Dan Snyder beat out the Cooke's in a bid war was the day the Redskins folded. The only thing Synder see's is dollar's and cents. I pray to the Lord above that whatever happens from this day on will be something positive and truly make sense so that I can regain faith in my beloved team. At this point right now, it looks grim. When will Danny boy get it right. Off the field it's about money, on the field it's about chemistry and players. The chemistry needs to start with the coaches!

Posted by: david1095 | January 28, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

I think the hellhounds of the NCAA are closing in on USC. Anyone see that interview with guy who claims to have given Bush $ etc. on Real Sports?

If Carroll is the power/control freak they say would he want to be in charge of a program that isn't going anywhere for a while?

Maybe he'll end up in Oakland.

Posted by: sfskin | January 28, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

He already makes a gazillion dollars a year, so I doubt that Snyder's money is going to talk in the same way it would with other coaches.

Now, I suppose if the NCAA hellhounds were on his trail, it might be a different thing.

Posted by: acoberst | January 28, 2008 03:19 PM

the moey he makes at usc is not close to what snyder could offer him. college coaches right now are maxed at like 3 mill whereas it wouldnt be a surprise to see the dan offer close to 10 mill a year for a coach he really wanted. holmgren i believe makes close to 7 so snyder is just itching to make a new record for coach spending. all that being said, carrol is too smart a man to take this job for any amount of $$$. he knows his next shot at the pros is his last if he messes up and he has shown the last few years that he is waiting for the perfect job.

Posted by: matthewwmccarthy | January 28, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat - what's news on Fins HC front? Did they hire someone yet?

Posted by: sfskin | January 28, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Tony Soprano is our Head coach sfskin. And we also hired about 19 other guys from the Cowgrrls.

Posted by: Redcoat | January 28, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Oh that's right Tony Soprano! For some reason I had it in my head he was a coordinator hire.

Is the Fin Fan Nation a-sparkle with excitment?

Posted by: sfskin | January 28, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

If I had to make $nyder a TV character (he's already a real-life character), I'd make him Artie Ziff--a short billionaire, who acts like a petulant child, who thinks he can buy his way into what he wants (e.g., Marge's love).

Posted by: nojunk4me | January 28, 2008 03:12 PM

Dead on! Self centered egotistical and power hungry. But hey, if Artie didn't pull his moves than Marge wouldn't have picked up Homer on the way home... and then we would have never had the Simpsons to enjoy.

Posted by: Dorf | January 28, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Tony Soprano is our Head coach sfskin. And we also hired about 19 other guys from the Cowgrrls.

Posted by: Redcoat | January 28, 2008 03:27 PM

Which is kind of like getting your military from France.

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 28, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

redcoat, how do you spell his last name really?

Posted by: matthewwmccarthy | January 28, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

All signs point to Fossil at this point...
Pete Carroll didnt evem want the coaching job was does that say about the skins current situation? Also with the OC and DC already in place I dont think Mooch would want to come here... I think that leans more toward Fossil as I see him as being a little more desperate.

Posted by: trailblazer658 | January 28, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Morbid Non Fubol post - (not intended to offend)

Is this the three?
1. Brad Renfro
2. Heath Ledger
3. Christian Brando

Posted by: sfskin | January 28, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

It's a great show, best ever? Not so sure but it's definately great.

Prop Joe: Drew Rosehaus

Posted by: Skinz | January 28, 2008 03:06 PM

Prop Joe is/was Coach Joe Gibbs. He ran the co-op just like Gibbs ran the assortment of assistant coaches. He tried to teach Marlo how it's done, just like Gibbs tried to teach Snyder how it's done. But in the end, Prop Joe/Joe Gibbs are gone...gone forever.

Which leads us to Marlo: his is Snyder fo sho.

Posted by: barno | January 28, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sure if this is the greatest thing ever or the next sign of the apocalypse.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7212778.stm

I think we may need these at FedEx.

Posted by: sfskin | January 28, 2008 02:44 PM

sfskin,

can ya hook a brother up?

Posted by: RedskinWillie | January 28, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

It's a great show, best ever? Not so sure but it's definately great.

Prop Joe: Drew Rosehaus

Posted by: Skinz | January 28, 2008 03:06 PM

Prop Joe is/was Coach Joe Gibbs. He ran the co-op just like Gibbs ran the assortment of assistant coaches. He tried to teach Marlo how it's done, just like Gibbs tried to teach Snyder how it's done. But in the end, Prop Joe/Joe Gibbs are gone...gone forever.

Which leads us to Marlo: he is Snyder fo sho.

Posted by: barno | January 28, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Is the Fin Fan Nation a-sparkle with excitment?

Posted by: sfskin | January 28, 2008 03:30 PM

Sorta-kinda. It was a little like here last week for a while (nobody picked up on my Blefuscans vs. Lilliputians reference, boo!) but things have settled down now.

The general feeling is that Parcells at least has a vision, although the expectation is about a 50% turnover on the roster from last year. Some of that (defense) is a good thing and some of that (offense excluding QB) may be a bad thing.

Either way, we'll see. Hard to see how it will be worse than this season!

Posted by: Redcoat | January 28, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Sparano, matthewm...

Posted by: Redcoat | January 28, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Which is kind of like getting your military from France.

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 28, 2008 03:31 PM

At least if we get them from there the uniforms are immaculately tailored!

Posted by: Redcoat | January 28, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

RC, saw on PFT that the Cowboys/Dolphins could be discussing a trade, with the Pukes sending both #22, and #28, along with Marion Barber to the Phins for the #1 overall, which Jerrah, would then pick the RB from Arkansas, McFadden.

Would be a GREAT trade from the Phins point of view. Barber, and Brown in the backfield...wow...

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 28, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Don't the Fins need a QB? Wouldn't they want to hold on to the #1 to either draft one or trade for one?

Posted by: sfskin | January 28, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Blog off the deep end after less then a week.

Grimm did not take the raiders job.

Grimm worked of VinnyDan.

Grimm as a future.

Grimm will never come here without a gibbs or marty deal.

Steve Mar. Will coach again. Not here. Why going to detriot he has been there and done that with Matt Millian.

Posted by: mul | January 28, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Prop Joe is/was Coach Joe Gibbs. He ran the co-op just like Gibbs ran the assortment of assistant coaches. He tried to teach Marlo how it's done, just like Gibbs tried to teach Snyder how it's done. But in the end, Prop Joe/Joe Gibbs are gone...gone forever.

Which leads us to Marlo: his is Snyder fo sho.

Posted by: barno | January 28, 2008 03:35 PM

No, $nyder can't be Marlo. Marlo strategically planned this move ways out, observed the situation and put thought into how he could take advantage of Cheese's animosity, was patient, didn't frantically advertise and interview a bunch of outside hitters, and didn't make a big splash over wacking Prop Joe.

I intentionally didn't want to be a spoiler in my earlier posts, for those who make have last night's episode TiVO'd, but a few people have already let the cat out the bag about Prop Joe.

Posted by: nojunk4me | January 28, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: mmok | January 28, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

That would be Redcoat - sorry!!!

Posted by: mmok | January 28, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

It speaks volumes that I'd rather comment on The Wire than my once beloved team, but...

JLC, you need to get OnDemand so you can see next week's! That episode was one of the best in the series, and I can't believe that in spite of all the crap Prop Joe did, they were able to make you care about him. I got a little misty when they pulled the trigger. And when you think about it, he did deserve it...he set Marlo up to get robbed by Omar at the poker game last season and then charged him an extra 10% to get the shipment back from Omar.

Posted by: DocHolliday1906 | January 28, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

JLC, you need to get OnDemand so you can see next week's! That episode was one of the best in the series, and I can't believe that in spite of all the crap Prop Joe did, they were able to make you care about him. I got a little misty when they pulled the trigger. And when you think about it, he did deserve it...he set Marlo up to get robbed by Omar at the poker game last season and then charged him an extra 10% to get the shipment back from Omar.

Posted by: DocHolliday1906 | January 28, 2008 03:46 PM

Business, son.

Just business.

Posted by: nojunk4me | January 28, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

I think Jones wants McFadden because he's from his alma mater?

Would make a lot of sense but we'd need to bundle up some picks to get high enough to take Dorsey then as we need a DT really badly.

Parcells is encouraging Trent Green to think about coming back so we may end up going for a 'project' young QB, which may, or may not, be John Beck.

Posted by: Redcoat | January 28, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Cerrato is Burrell
Danny is Ziggy Sobotka...desparately wants everyone's respect, but in far over his head

Posted by: DocHolliday1906 | January 28, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Blog off the deep end after less then a week.
Grimm did not take the raiders job.
Grimm worked of VinnyDan.
Grimm as a future.
Grimm will never come here without a gibbs or marty deal.

Steve Mar. Will coach again. Not here. Why going to detriot he has been there and done that with Matt Millian.

Posted by: mul | January 28, 2008 03:44 PM
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Based on what mul? Are people beating down Grimm's door with HC offers and he can demand total control of front office, etc? Funny bc I think that he's been turned down at least twice, at least once anyway by the organization that knew his coaching ability the best in Pitt.

The guy has done nothing exceptional to warrant anymore serious consideration than Mooch, Fassel, or Meeks. The Skins havent even interviewed him and they were in AZ last week. Hellooo?!? It aint happenin.

Posted by: castro123 | January 28, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the advice - will bring both and see who I am feeling, so to speak, that afternoon. Just hoping the Patriots bite the big one!

Posted by: suzannepdc | January 28, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder hangs out with super-Scientologist Tom Cruise.

At the center of this shabingus is the Redskins front office, abbreviated FO.

You can't spell UFO without FO.

There is no U in "Daniel Snyder," but there is a Y, and Y was used in place of U until the year 1142, when the letter U was invented by a secret order of mysterious persons determined to strip Y of its vowel status (they were only partially successful).

If you add together the first two digits and the second two digits of 1142, you get 2 and 6, which concatenated are 26, the number of the last Super Bowl won by the Redskins.

Tom Cruise and Daniel Snyder are determined to prevent the Redskins from ever winning another Super Bowl, because they fear that it would spur a new secret society of mysterious persons to form and steer the world's governments toward the persecution of short, powerful men.

Cruise/Snyder need an audience of vertically-challenged, receptive employees with whom to share their vision; hence, the lack of tall players in the Redskins receiver corps.


We're through the looking glass here, people.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 28, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

I do not agree trailblazer.

I believe, based on information available, any serious HC prospect has been interviewed already, whether we know about that person or not. These hires would seem to be, especially Zorn, ones designed to fill the desire of the HC they are courting. Whether only 1 or as many as 3 or 4 candidates, if each is asked for a list of preferred OC/DC's, and Zorn and Blanche are on all lists as the most preferred and more importantly, available, candidates, then of course you'd lock them up so the new HC would have the best of their personal choices that were attainable.

I just can't see taking a flyer on Zorn unless they were getting feedback during the interviews that he was desired. He has no resume to warrant the Redskins interest otherwise.

This will make for an interesting week indeed.

Posted by: Rogueone | January 28, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

I still think Buges can get the job....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 28, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse


Cerrato is Burrell
Danny is Ziggy Sobotka...desparately wants everyone's respect, but in far over his head

Posted by: DocHolliday1906 | January 28, 2008 03:49 PM


Yeah, Marlo is smart, crafty, calculating and ruthless. Danny is the same except for the smart, crafty and calculating part.

Definately not Marlo

Posted by: Skinz | January 28, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Answer me this:

Blache has Def. Coord. experience, so he'll be expected to more or less hold his own. Zorn has never been Off. Coord. before, so he might be expected to follow the new HC's lead a bit more. Ergo: the new HC will be an offensive sort, right?

If so, Meeks and Spagnuolo are not likely choices. And (gulp) Marriuci is viable or McDaniels. Personally, I think McDaniels is the "wow factor" candidate you can expect from Snyderatto. For the first time the owner would be senior to the coach.

Of course, this assumes that the search is following more or less rational principles, which it is not.

Posted by: DCUnited2 | January 28, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Hmm, from ProFootBallTalk:

POSTED 1:57 p.m. EST, January 28, 2008

NO MOOCH IN D.C.?

A source with knowledge of the dynamics in the Washington front office firmly believes that former San Francisco and Detroit head coach Steve Mariucci won't be the next coach of the Redskins.

Though both Mariucci and 'Skins executive V.P. of football operations Vinny Cerrato worked together in San Fran, Mariucci was hired by former Niners owner Eddie DeBartolo and front-office exec Carmen Policy. "Mooch was never a Vinny guy," the source said.

Mariucci has been linked to the job via informed speculation from Jason La Canfora of the Washington Post.

Posted by: JoeyV | January 28, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Based on what mul? Are people beating down Grimm's door with HC offers and he can demand total control of front office, etc? Funny bc I think that he's been turned down at least twice, at least once anyway by the organization that knew his coaching ability the best in Pitt.

The guy has done nothing exceptional to warrant anymore serious consideration than Mooch, Fassel, or Meeks. The Skins havent even interviewed him and they were in AZ last week. Hellooo?!? It aint happenin.

Posted by: castro123 | January 28, 2008 03:51 PM

Based on Grimm having worked for VinnyDan and reading the news. We can see the diff with no adult supervision and I am sure he can too. Trash the DC on the way out (I can't go through the whole thing.)

But if you look the only person we have gotten from the outside is the OC and he went back to seattle to get better terms, he could not and was 55 so he came here. All the others with a future did not come and in many cases just used Dan us for leverage. Blache also did not want to be promoted but "they made him an offer he could not refuse." He his going to retire soon by all accounts so whats he got too lose.

We are a freaking joke now after two weeks.

Posted by: mul | January 28, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

My guess is that this whole mess has to do with the marketing of Jason Campbell.

After Saunders offense ran the way it was intended with Collins I doubt that Williams would go along with returning Campbell to be the starter hands down. Williams is about winning football games, not selling team jerseys.

I also suspect that Gibbs may have resigned rather than be put in the same position along with likely being forced to fire Saunders when it was Campbell's inconsistent play that caused the offense to mis-fire not Saunder's playbook.

If we had continued with the same team, same coaches next season as we had to finish this season, the Redskins would have been really tough, with an offense that worked. Now who knows?

But the fact is we are all left go guess, because as fans it seems according to the actions of the powers that be, we don't deserve an explanation

Posted by: pat5387 | January 28, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Here's a Wire/Redskins comparison for ya!

Scott Templeton: The Beat Reporter

Posted by: barno | January 28, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

All signs point to Fossil at this point...
Pete Carroll didnt evem want the coaching job was does that say about the skins current situation? Also with the OC and DC already in place I dont think Mooch would want to come here... I think that leans more toward Fossil as I see him as being a little more desperate.

Posted by: trailblazer658 | January 28, 2008 03:32 PM

Both Jim Zorn and Greg Blache have coached with Marriucci in the past. Mooch may have requested those two, in secret of course!

Posted by: jimwell | January 28, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

The transcript from the presser announcing Fassel as the HC for the Skins:

Snyder: Ladies and Gentleman I'm so please and honored to announce that Jim Fassel is the new head coach for the Washington Redskins

Fassel: (smiles and nods)

Snyder: We hired Jim after an extensive interview process and decided he would be the best fit for our team.

Fassel: (smiles and nods)

Snyder: We found we have so much in common.

Snyder: We both like soup.

Snyder: We both like to talk and not talk.

Fassel: (smiles and nods)

Snyder: Sometimes we sit and not talk for hours.

(ba ding ding - Thank you. Thank you ladies and gentlemen. I too will be here all week. Please do tip your waitress.)

Posted by: sfskin | January 28, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

I still think Buges can get the job....

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 28, 2008 03:56 PM

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I see that many of us fans still have a myopia about the old regime's ability in todays NFL. Buges is still an excellent OL coach. If he's happy there, they should keep him in that role until he's ready to retire. As for him being a HC, come on. Didnt work before and it won't work now. Would he really excite anyone more than Fassel or Mooch though? I'm sorry but I just can't get too worked up over a run it twice and throw once offense that avg 17-20 points per game. It's time for change, bring on the West Coast Offense!

Posted by: castro123 | January 28, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

did something happen to wilbon?

Posted by: gpizzano | January 28, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Rex Ryan was passed over in the HC coach in Baltimore. Maybe if Snyder had handled things better he could have kept Williams as DC. I am not sure how likely it was, but Snyder made sure it was impossible by they way he treated the coaching staff through this process.

Posted by: skinsfan1234 | January 28, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Though both Mariucci and 'Skins executive V.P. of football operations Vinny Cerrato worked together in San Fran, Mariucci was hired by former Niners owner Eddie DeBartolo and front-office exec Carmen Policy. "Mooch was never a Vinny guy," the source said.

Mariucci has been linked to the job via informed speculation from Jason La Canfora of the Washington Post.

Posted by: JoeyV

Oh look more things that don't surprise me.

Maybe we should get Mariucci.

Posted by: mul | January 28, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Based on Grimm having worked for VinnyDan and reading the news. We can see the diff with no adult supervision and I am sure he can too. Trash the DC on the way out (I can't go through the whole thing.)

But if you look the only person we have gotten from the outside is the OC and he went back to seattle to get better terms, he could not and was 55 so he came here. All the others with a future did not come and in many cases just used Dan us for leverage. Blache also did not want to be promoted but "they made him an offer he could not refuse." He his going to retire soon by all accounts so whats he got too lose.

We are a freaking joke now after two weeks.

Posted by: mul | January 28, 2008 04:01 PM

OK, so he reads the news and knows Dan and Vinny. To think for one millisecond that he wouldnt jump at the chance to succeed Joe Gibbs is retarded. Dan could tell him that he has to wear a Hogette tutu on game days and he would be here on Skinsone by tonight's dinner! My point is that Grimm isnt the answer. He's been passed by in Pitt, LA and now DC without even a tacit interest/interview.

Give Dan credit for always bringing in quality assistants. Never spares a dime there. If Blache wants to walk, adios.

Let's see where this thing leads before calling it a joke. People were probably laughing it up when Billicheck got the Pats gig a few years ago too..

Posted by: castro123 | January 28, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

We'll find out next week.....

Methinks I am tired of all the false news reports and sources used to drum up Redskins fans into an ire and sell papers & generate blog hits.

I hope Mortensen/Pasquarelli float an apology for the slander that their articles basically were last week.

In the meantime....everyone chillout.....the new coach is coming....who knows who it will be?? Nobody obviously....

I realize I prefer a prudent consideration and review process over a knee-jerk reaction.

Also goes to show why top companies don't let stockholders elect the CEO.

Posted by: goosedude | January 28, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Let's see where this thing leads before calling it a joke. People were probably laughing it up when Billicheck got the Pats gig a few years ago too..

Posted by: castro123

OMG Did you really just write that.

Jeff George, Jeff George.

Posted by: mul | January 28, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Snyder: Sometimes we sit and not talk for hours.

Someone's been watching too much Best in Show.

Posted by: Megskin | January 28, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

I am also of the lets let this whole process play its course, before rushing to judgement mind-set.

Heck, who knows, maybe even play a few games before....nah...nevermind...

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 28, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Megskin - glad someone knew the reference and bothered to acknowledge it - thanks.

I do love that movie.

I think I've jumped the shark on posts like ten times today. That's what you get for procrastinating while giving a test in all class periods.

Posted by: sfskin | January 28, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Mul, Jeff George was 8 friggin years ago...how is that even relevant.....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 28, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

goosedude - You don't work for Dan do you? I see the '.....' and 'process', and 'media bashing' and I get very, you know.

Posted by: mul | January 28, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Snyder: Sometimes we sit and not talk for hours.

Someone's been watching too much Best in Show.

Posted by: Megskin | January 28, 2008 04:17 PM

Top 5 funniest movies in history

Posted by: barno | January 28, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Parcells is encouraging Trent Green to think about coming back

Posted by: Redcoat | January 28, 2008 03:49 PM

There's something vaguely unethical about this. I can't quite place it but it's along the lines of encouraging Alan Greenspan to do porn.

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 28, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Skinz | January 28, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Mul, Jeff George was 8 friggin years ago...how is that even relevant.....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 28, 2008 04:23 PM

You could apply that to virtually every post that comes from mul.. In this case he's underestimating Snyders unique ability to land top coaches (anyone remember who brought Gibbs back?), and more importantly there's a severe underestimation of the lure of the Skins HC position. To think that Russ Grimm would make demands before taking the position was the best laugh I've had today!

Posted by: castro123 | January 28, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Mul, Jeff George was 8 friggin years ago...how is that even relevant.....

Posted by: gregmarino88

It is a joke. Not relevant. But we only have 5 years of Dan and Vinny to go on and the last two weeks. Lets bring in the 3-4 with a shortage of LB. Williams 'talked bad about Gibbs' BS.

Posted by: mul | January 28, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm I think I've figured out the Snyder-Cerrato strategy.

Run Fassel up the flag pole - get taken aback by fan reaction so run him down and say no decisions yet.

Then interview other people, trash talk "potential" candidates, get rumors going, suggest other potentials through second hand sources . . . . sit back and watch the fans go ape-shti . . .let us go ape shti then bat shti then ape shti then bat shti . . . wear us down and out like a parent dealing with their child demanding a new toy. "Mommy can I have it?" "Mommy please?!?" "Mommy I promise I clean my room." "Mommy if I don't get it I'll die."
"Mommy mommy mommy mommee mommeeeeeee."

Then after we flat on the ground exhausted, exasperated, frustrated and finally ready to surrender. . . .

Announce that Fassel is the new HC. . . .

We're too worn out to complain and we simply say
Okay and maybe it will be better than we think and hey look at Wade Philips in Cowpoke town and well you know he had some pretty good season in NY and we have good coordinators so HC doesn't really matter . . . . .

Posted by: sfskin | January 28, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

skinz, can you paraphrase what that link says.....can't access at work...

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 28, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

The Whoa wasn't supposed to be there it was for a post I was going to make.

It says that Danny and Pete Carroll met about the opening for 9 hours but decided against pursuing it further.

Posted by: Skinz | January 28, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

skinz, thanks....much ado about nothing I suppose....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 28, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

OK I give up. Make the case for VinnyDan 1999-2004 and the last two weeks (yes Vinny was not here under Marty one year). Would anyone in the NFL want Vinny as (GM) other than Dan?

I am a real redskin fans. I know most of you are but some are PR from the building. Lets here it.

Posted by: mul | January 28, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Redskins are not going to win more that one or two playoff games while this owner is here. This team is run by a fan with no idea how to win, or keep any kind of valuable coaching staff intact! Completly revamping the coaching staff will not instil a winning attitude within the players. Every player in the NFL knows that when your days are almost up, come to the skins and cash in one last big paycheck! End of story, while danny is the owner, we will not win the superbowl!!

Posted by: stuff123 | January 28, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse


Yeah, Marlo is smart, crafty, calculating and ruthless. Danny is the same except for the smart, crafty and calculating part.
Definately not Marlo
Posted by: Skinz | January 28, 2008 03:57 PM

Marlo is not smart at all.

You gotta understand the character just represents new age drug dealers vs. old school dealers. The younger generation dosen't care and they think they can blast their way and scare everybody to the top.

I'm sure he won't live through the end of the show because he dosen't deserve to live.

I forgot about on demand. Big G (Slim Charles) looks like he's gonna be short now. Every body he was rolling for is dead or locked up (Stringer, Barksdale, and Prop Joe). G and Marlo don't get along too well cause G understands the game, unlike Cheese and Marlo's crew..........

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 28, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

"... along the lines of encouraging Alan Greenspan to do porn."

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 28, 2008 04:28 PM

Yuck ... just yuck.

Posted by: dcsween | January 28, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Hi Laca,

As a lifelong redskins fan I hope Snyder
makes a good decision--you may be on to
something with Steve M. This has been quite a process--I hope for the best possible outcome---Take Care--Larry K

Posted by: lkirkman | January 28, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

I am a real redskin fans. I know most of you are but some are PR from the building. Lets here it
Posted by: mul | January 28, 2008 04:35 PM

Mul, if you're directing this at me, you're barking up the wrong tree. Just because I'm choosing to let this scenario play itself out, and choosing not to adopt the 'debbie downer' persona that you have doesn't mean I'm working PR for the team.

Again, Jeff George happened 8 years ago. Let it go.....time to move on.....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 28, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Vinny Cerrato's dry-erase board as of Joe Gibbs' resignation:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coaching_tree

Posted by: dcsween | January 28, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

I am a real redskin fans. I know most of you are but some are PR from the building. Lets here it.

Posted by: mul | January 28, 2008 04:35 PM

"Whoa is me", huh mul? Btw the PR line was old somewhere between the 19th and 20th times that you used it. If being a "real redskin fan" means whining about the owner (who gives his coaches "everything" that they ask for year in and year out) hoping that something will change, you are realer than real sir! I'll choose to be a "regular" redskins fan and stick it out regardless of who the next coach is...

Posted by: castro123 | January 28, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Again, Jeff George happened 8 years ago. Let it go.....time to move on.....

Posted by: gregmarino88

No not you I remember you. It is goosedude and some others this weekend. Sometimes it is hard to tell but, they make it easy sometimes too.

You like myself can write what you wish. But you agree that having PR people come down here is not cool. I am trying to keep the focus on VinnyDan. I don't want us blaming coaches and players this year when they never had a real chance.

Posted by: mul | January 28, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

castro123

Not you castrol123.

See above comment. PR line old, but true.

Posted by: mul | January 28, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse


There's something vaguely unethical about this. I can't quite place it but it's along the lines of encouraging Alan Greenspan to do porn.


Posted by: SMACK1 | January 28, 2008 04:28 PM

Oh God, Alan Greenspan, my eyes are bleeding! I can hear him talking about "recessions" while shooting his load into someone's face.

Posted by: jimwell | January 28, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

My primary frame of reference on Steve Mariucci is the Detroit Lions ... although the timeframe for that entire Detroit Lions frame of reference also includes an additional frame, which is Matt Millen.

My pessimist side reminds me that Vinny Cerrato may well be our Mid-Atlantic Matt Millen.

My optimist side reminds me that Steve Mariucci is a boyhood best friend of Tom Izzo, and I am WAY pro-Tom Izzo, so I will hold my breath for a little while longer.

Posted by: dcsween | January 28, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

What? I have no idea what the bleep you're talking about.

Again, JGeorge was in 2000, what year was Clinton Portis in? What year was London Fletcher in? What year was Jason Campbell in? What year was Chris Cooley/Sean Taylor in??

Stop following the team if all it makes you do is whine....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 28, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Remember the trial balloons of the Clinton administration...this is the Danny using JLC to float one out there...

Well, Dan Snyder - we will never forgive you for spitting on Sean's grave by letting go of Williams, but if you must know:

Mooch is too full of himself, but is a major upgrade to Fassell...any chance we get an upgrade to a better owner, SOON????

Posted by: Political_Stratgst | January 28, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

beep beep.

Posted by: nojunk4me | January 28, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Beep.

Oh, and beep!

Posted by: Redcoat | January 28, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

What? I have no idea what the bleep you're talking about.

Again, JGeorge was in 2000, what year was Clinton Portis in? What year was London Fletcher in? What year was Jason Campbell in? What year was Chris Cooley/Sean Taylor in??

Stop following the team if all it makes you do is whine....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | January 28, 2008 04:56 PM

OK Gibbs was doing adult supervision with those guys. 1999-2004 was the DanVinny time OK. Gibbs was head coach and team presedent. He had the final say an all things football.

Thats what I am talking about. So make the case 1999-2004.

Posted by: mul | January 28, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

I am a lifelong 'Skins fan and a season ticket holder.
However, after years of mediocrity, I find myself thinking: "What other ways could I find to spend $1800 a year?"...


By ERIC TALMADGE, Associated Press Writer
Mon Jan 28, 8:04 AM ET

TOKYO - Led Zeppelin guitarist Jimmy Page said Monday he was ready to take the iconic band on a world tour after burning up the stage at last month's reunion concert in London. But it probably won't be before September.

Posted by: youcrew | January 28, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Oh God, Alan Greenspan, my eyes are bleeding! I can hear him talking about "recessions" while shooting his load into someone's face.

Posted by: jimwell | January 28, 2008 04:54 PM

Should you experience a recession of over four hours...massive stimulus package...economic priapism. I can't make it work.

Posted by: SMACK1 | January 28, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Here's an interesting take on Mooch, Snyder and Williams:

www.jonahschuman.wordpress.com

Posted by: redskins91 | January 28, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

JLC,

You gotta get HBO On Demand, man. You can watch episodes of The Wire a week before they get shown on HBO. You're behind the times, my friend. But wait 'til you see the next episode.

Posted by: Wonsapnatm | January 28, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

You like myself can write what you wish. But you agree that having PR people come down here is not cool. I am trying to keep the focus on VinnyDan. I don't want us blaming coaches and players this year when they never had a real chance.

Posted by: mul | January 28, 2008 04:51 PM

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Mul, OK, let's keep the focus on VinnyDan then. Gibbs/Williams were given every player they wanted. They brought in Fletcher, Smoot, Landry, went millions over the cap again, etc. At what point does the responsbility shift to the coaches?

Injuries occur on every team so don't even bother going there. The only anomoly was the Taylor tragedy and the staff handled that superbly, full credit there. At the end of the day though it was a 9-8 season. Who's fault is that? I don't remember seeing Vinny or Dan on the field or the sidelines, they have been as quiet as church mouses since Gibbs took over (with the exception of negotiations with the coaches and players Gibbs wanted). Help me understand...

Posted by: castro123 | January 28, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

To quote Jasno...
"No job is perfect and IN THE END, MONEY TALKS"...
Amen.
Whoever they bring in will ultimately say...Can't name my own staff? No problem! By the way, how much are you paying me?
Can't run my own plays? NO problem! By the way, how much are you paying me?
Can't draft the players I want? NO problem! By the way, how much are you paying me?
I won't be successful? Won't make the playoffs? NO problem! How much are you paying me?
I'm going to get fired after one, or two years? NO problem! I have a 5 year, $5.0 mill. contract,
Yessir, IN THE END, MONEY TALKS.

Posted by: al852 | January 28, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Seems to me that moving away from the Gibbs/Saunders offense based on the Coryell coaching tree and moving to the misnamed "West Coast" offense is hardly continuity.

Posted by: i155133 | January 28, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

uhhhhhhhh... Enough with skins.. Too confusing.... I would rather talk about the Wire... Now thats a show worth watching........

Posted by: curtis.j.ross | January 28, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

uhhhhhhhh... Enough with skins.. Too confusing.... I would rather talk about the Wire... Now thats a show worth watching........

Posted by: curtis.j.ross | January 28, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

After listening to my preacher on Sunday I have come to terms with my dismay.

DISAPPOINTMENT IS INEVITABLE
DISCOURAGEMENT IS A CHOICE

HAIL to the REDSKINS!

Posted by: halogen4 | January 28, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

ESPN reporting that Dannyboy met with Pete Carroll today?

Posted by: AWWNats | January 28, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

All i know i be cxl NFL packages for this year ,i be felling sorry for J Cambell having to learn another offensive system ,no matter how you bring we need a tall WR AND DE and SS to replace the HEART of the TEAM MR TAYLOR.

Posted by: javiermartinez14 | January 28, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Snyder is pathetic! He makes the Redskins Organization look desparate! Cheeze OH Flip get some balls! Pete Carol is a loser in the NFL...Who ever Snyder gets now is gonna be a loser

Posted by: LongTimeSkinsFan | January 28, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Donald Trump please buy the Skins and tell Snynder "YOU'RE FIRED SNYDER"

Also, I think all the Skins Fans should start wearing shirts that say: "You're Fired Snyder"

Posted by: cheaney01 | January 28, 2008 11:00 PM | Report abuse

i don't root for Dan Snyder. I don't root against Dan Snyder. I don't root for the QB or against him. I don't root for the coach or against him. I root for the Redskins, regardless of who is on the field. I won't give up my tickets, I will continue to hope they win, and will enjoy the games. All this talk of jumping ship humors me.

Posted by: DreamOutLoud | January 29, 2008 8:39 AM | Report abuse

I could actually see that happening. Very, very interesting theory. I could live with Mariucci. Definitely over Fassel. Here's another theory - after intervieiwing Meeks,Fassel et al and finding the concensus for the OC & DC, were Zorn and Blache, Snyder went and got them/signed them. He may have originally wanted Fassel, but with all of the criticism, he's going to make a genius move that will keep the press and fans from getting on him - hiring Meeks as the Redskins first black full time (other than the Robiskie 3 game stint when Snyder 1st bought the team) Head Coach. What do you think of that?

Posted by: 0siris | January 29, 2008 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Being a DC native, I try my best to avoid building emotional ties to Baltimore. But The Wire is consistently one of the best shows on TV, and last night's episode represented nicely. Omar (my name also) jumping out a 7 story window and disappearing? That man has street game. Freamon and McNutty with the Marlo workaround, including a fake-me-out wire tap? GENIUS.

Can't wait to see the new thug guard go down hard, maybe with a couple of the Greeks as well.

Hail Skins.

Posted by: oghadry | January 29, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Great call JLC. I agree that if Redskins One was seen in LAX then there is a great chance that Mooch will be the guy. Remeber,"always follow the plane and you shall find the answers" young Grasshopper. Plus, it seems that Snyder has the ability to keep things top secret. We just heard that he interviewed Pete Carrol underneath everyone's noses and no one had a clue about it until well after the fact. Plus, if Cerrato has more power, than Mooch makes even more sense. Throw in the hiring of these "West Coast" assistants and Blache who has ties with Mariuci and it fits together perfectly. I guarantee Snyder knew he wanted Mooch and had hired all the assistants that have or would work well with Mooch and is just waiting for the contractual ties Mooch has with the NFL Network to end. This makes perfect sense. If you throw in Mooch to the coaching staff already there, it becomes very respectable. Hopefully, they can build on something here. I still do not embrace Jason Campbell as a west coast qb, but maybe I will be proven wrong.

Posted by: george.banian | January 29, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Guys I live in New Jersey, and I hate the Giants and Patriots more than any team in the NFL.. including the Cowboys. Now this is because I live so close and there are so many Giant fans so dont jump to conclusions. If fassel, spagnolo, or the pats mcdaniels get the hire, I will be so pissed off. I dont think in the NFL you should be hiring within the division. Especially the giants. Around here all i see are frontrunner giant fans and i think the best hire was williams. Now i dont know who, I just prey not fassel spagnolo or mcdaniels

Posted by: hchoffman5 | January 29, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Test test test.

Posted by: Bob_Greiner | January 30, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

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