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Source: Jimmy Clausen to work out with Redskins

The Redskins will conduct a private workout in South Bend, Ind., with quarterback Jimmy Clausen on April 15, according to a league source.

The former Notre Dame star is widely considered the second-best quarterback prospect in the draft. Although former Oklahoma star Sam Bradford is viewed as the top overall player, and he solidified his status as such at his pro day Monday, Bradford did not play in a pro-style offense as Clausen did with the Fighting Irish.

The Sooners' spread offense was not similar to that of NFL teams. At his pro day Monday, Bradford took many "snaps" from under center, dropping back to pass, apparently trying to impress upon coaches and scouts in attendance that he's capable of adapting.

If Bradford is selected first by the St. Louis Rams, and the Redskins are unable to maneuver to get him, Clausen figures to be available when they select at fourth overall. Coach Mike Shanahan is believed to be highly interested in drafting and "raising" a quarterback.

By Jason Reid  |  March 30, 2010; 4:59 PM ET
 
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Comments

Ugh, please no.

Posted by: alizadk | March 30, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Big deal its all about due diligence , Redskins do not need a quarterback ! I believe this is a smoke screen in order to get the left tackle they covet to protect JC this season......

Clausen is a bum

Posted by: BeatDontStop | March 30, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

How many private workouts does each team get? We're really spending three of ours on QBs? That's a pretty heavy smokescreen, if it is indeed a smokescreen...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 30, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Isn't this the guy that Vinney likes.... Yea, he's snake bit. He won't be a Redskin.

Posted by: hbu_dog | March 30, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

How many private workouts does each team get?


Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 30, 2010 5:07 PM

30. 27 more smokescreens to go.

Posted by: League-Source | March 30, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

How many private workouts does each team get? We're really spending three of ours on QBs? That's a pretty heavy smokescreen, if it is indeed a smokescreen...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 30, 2010 5:07 PM |

Nate,

You can bring in up to 30 guys to your facility, but you can go see as many kids as you want at there schools.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 30, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Nope. Drafting Clausen with No 4 with Okung or Berry or even Suh sitting there is a crime against Skins fans! Say no to dope, Clausen is a dope! Bradford I can understand, but Clausen with 4?

Posted by: abxinc | March 30, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Wait. I gave the right answer to the wrong question. Each team gets 30 visits. Private workouts are a different thing.

Posted by: League-Source | March 30, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Shanny doesn't tip his hand I think that it's a good sign you have heard nothing of the Skins talking to Okung. If he's there they will take him.

Posted by: Flounder21 | March 30, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

I say we lat Vinny guide us and not pick this guy at #4.

Posted by: edvar | March 30, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Bleach
Sulfuric Acid
Chlorine
Urine
Watery bowel movement
Gutter water

I can't think of anything else...

Posted by: RedDMV


You serious? Good whisky will kill you and if you play your cards right, you can make the process last a lifetime.

Posted by: TheCork | March 30, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

as man times as ive read this line... Coach Mike Shanahan is believed to be highly interested in drafting and "raising" a quarterback.
Ill laugh when Shanahan doesnt draft a qb

Posted by: unknownsouljah | March 30, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

I love all you F---in GM's. It it possible, they get paid to do a job and you get paid to do yours. If they think we need a QB support the guy they draft, if it's OL support him too... Know your ROLE........

Posted by: pikedawg | March 30, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Unless Archie Manning produces another son, there are no QB's that are enough of a sure thing to spend a top 5 pick on. I believe this to be true of all drafts. QB's and WR's are a crap shoot. Better to go OL/DL/DB with a top pick. QB's are so valuable that teams are willing to spend high picks for a franchise guy, but how many of them work out?

At best, it is a 50/50 gamble with Bradford or Clausen. Just ask the Browns (Couch/Quinn), Bengals (Akili Smith), Bears (McNown), Raiders (JaMarcus Russell), Seahawks (Mirer), Chargers (Leaf)oh yeah, and the Redskins (Shuler, Campbell). For every good QB, there is at least 2 losers. I would not risk a top 5 pick on those odds.

Posted by: Wemiss21 | March 30, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

I love all you F---in GM's. Is it possible, they get paid to do a job and you get paid to do yours. If they think we need a QB support the guy they draft, if it's OL support him too... Know your ROLE........

Posted by: pikedawg | March 30, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

On the prior thread, there is plenty of history to look at in trading a lot of guys for 1.

Herschel Walker got traded for an entire draft, was a steal for dallas who sent Walker to Minny.

On the other hand, we traded about 6 guys for Ken Houston, and we came out way ahead on that.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 30, 2010 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Clausen did not beat anyone in college, therefore he is a loser.

Posted by: lylewimbledon | March 30, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Know your ROLE........

Posted by: pikedawg | March 30, 2010 5:17 PM

pikedawg, We're not sheep and you're no border collie. We may not be GM's either, but we stayed in a Holiday Inn Express last night and we play one on RI.

Posted by: League-Source | March 30, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

What if we bundle JC 17 with (pick any TWO) guys like Carlos, Carter, Cooley, Wilson, Golston, or Kelley and then throw in Montgomery for good measure (maybe we should sign him first...)?

They fill at least three holes, and we get Bradford and Okung and still have an early second rounder. That is a nucleus to build a team around. Losing any of those two won't kill us, and Monty never plays anyway.

Stranger things....

Posted by: edvar | March 30, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

1. JC and any two of the guys you mention WON'T COME CLOSE to being enough to get the Rams' number one pick. The Rams will doubtlessly hold out for a deal similar to the one that happened in 2004 when the Giants traded the no. 4 overall pick, a 3rd rounder, and a first and a fifth the following year to San Diego for the rights to no. 1 overall pick Eli Manning, and 2., Okung may not be there at 4 anyway.

Posted by: rbpalmer | March 30, 2010 4:48 PM |

You guys are on crack. Trade 5 of our starters plus some backups and then maybe picks too for an unproven, oft injured QB that's never thrown a pass in the NFL and will require a very large amount of money. Crack smokin'.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 30, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

4th pick needs to be a LT- DUH! DUH! DUH! DUH! Go get a QB inthe later rounds.

Posted by: lylewimbledon | March 30, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

You guys are on crack. Trade 5 of our starters plus some backups and then maybe picks too for an unproven, oft injured QB that's never thrown a pass in the NFL and will require a very large amount of money. Crack smokin'.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 30, 2010 5:23 PM

We could make it happen for Orakpo and an aircraft carrier.

Posted by: League-Source | March 30, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, L-S and flounder.

Okay, I understand the need for "due diligence", but even with unlimited private workouts I don't want this team coming anywhere near the Clausen kid.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 30, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

as man times as ive read this line... Coach Mike Shanahan is believed to be highly interested in drafting and "raising" a quarterback.
Ill laugh when Shanahan doesnt draft a qb

Posted by: unknownsouljah

Agreed. JReid writes this AD NAUSEUM. Sick of reading it....one more time and I will puke.

Posted by: Lisa_R | March 30, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

There's not enough mustard in this town.

Posted by: whocares666 | March 30, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Okay, I understand the need for "due diligence", but even with unlimited private workouts I don't want this team coming anywhere near the Clausen kid.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 30, 2010 5:27 PM

If Shanahan sizes him up and thinks he can get it done, I'm fully behind it until he goes 13-27 with two INTs in his first game and then I'm 20-20 hindsight all the way.

Posted by: League-Source | March 30, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

My feelings has change since we are getting close to the draft date. Yes, I want bradford...no I don't like clausen..no, don't draft a OL with fourth pick because you can get a quality OL with other picks, but now I'm in love with SUH. I know we don't need to waste a draft pick on D-fence, but how do you pass up on this guy if he's there a 4??


The image of AH and NS is making me get all tingle inside..lol

Posted by: taylormade218 | March 30, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

I'm pretty convinced the new triangle shaped UFOs are ours. Latest Stealth project sometimes known as TR-3Bs.

But does anyone have any theories about what these "Rods" might be? I mean, they are definitely weird and pretty much inexplicable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu7Ax5VYYDc

Posted by: TheCork | March 30, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Agreed. JReid writes this AD NAUSEUM. Sick of reading it....one more time and I will puke.

Posted by: Lisa_R | March 30, 2010 5:28 PM

Part of the smokescreen. Get used to it. You'll hear it until the draft is over. Then you'll hear "Mike Shanahan should have picked a QB."

Posted by: League-Source | March 30, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Nothing good happens on April 15th.

Posted by: skinswest | March 30, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Now Work dem Walls.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEE7aVsb5Js

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 30, 2010 3:31 PM

4th, That's a classic but I thought we agreed the roto tom is ruining go go.

And please no Clausen. Those photos someone posted yesterday were a bit unsettling. Besides, after age 20 it's time to drop the "y" and become Jim or James. (Apologies to the Stevies and Billys out there.)

Posted by: mack1 | March 30, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Bo-o-o-o-o, no working out of CLAUSEN.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 30, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

scampbell1975, I am with you. Trade nothing to move up! Do not move up! Get that O-Lineman or trade down! There will be a better class of QB`s in next years draft! Trade 5 starters my foot! Just say nooooooo!!

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | March 30, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Why would anyone hate on Jimmy Clausen?

If he plays behind a good O-line, with good WRs and a good running back, won't he be a successful QB?

Aren't franchise QBs built, not born? (tongue in cheek)

Posted by: Vicc | March 30, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

I'm pretty convinced the new triangle shaped UFOs are ours. Latest Stealth project sometimes known as TR-3Bs.

But does anyone have any theories about what these "Rods" might be? I mean, they are definitely weird and pretty much inexplicable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu7Ax5VYYDc

Posted by: TheCork | March 30, 2010 5:30 PM

`

talk to frak. He's well versed in conspiracy theories.

Posted by: Vicc | March 30, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

You guys are on crack. Trade 5 of our starters plus some backups and then maybe picks too for an unproven, oft injured QB that's never thrown a pass in the NFL and will require a very large amount of money. Crack smokin'.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 30, 2010 5:23 PM

First, I want to be clear...

My deal was: JC 17, Montgomery, and then ANY TWO from the list of:

Carlos
Cooley
Carter
Wilson
Golsten
Kelley

That's four guys who can start for them in September. (Maybe it will take 3 guys from that list, I don't know...)

I'm just trying to find a way to keep the #4 pick and get Bradford at #1 if that's what Shanny really wants - without trading draft picks - 'cause I'm against any deal that trade's picks.

Posted by: edvar | March 30, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Why would anyone hate on Sam Bradford?

If he plays behind a good O-line, with good WRs and a good running back, won't he be a successful QB?

Aren't franchise QBs built, not born? (tongue in cheek)

Posted by: Vicc | March 30, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

I can almost guarantee the Skins will draft a LT at 4 and pick Teebow after trading down our next pick.

Posted by: chillwill1 | March 30, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

If the Redskins use their first draft pick on a QB, we should protest.

Posted by: Booyah5000 | March 30, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone heard the rumor that the US government is building concentration camps in case there is a revolutionary war? All of the young people are talking about it!

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | March 30, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

edvar, the only 2 of those guys on that list I would even consider is Carter and...well, that's it. We need the young guys. I think it's not a good trade for EITHER team.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 30, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Why would anyone hate on Tim Tebow?

If he plays behind a good O-line, with good WRs and a good running back, won't he be a successful QB?

Aren't franchise QBs built, not born? (tongue in cheek)

Posted by: Vicc | March 30, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Okung in the 1st and Skins QB wont have to worry about his blind side for the next 10 years.
Make a trade to replace the Jarmon 3rd round pick and grab Jevan Snead, although he is moving up so fast, he may be a 2nd rounder by Draft day.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 30, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Why would anyone hate on Tony Pike?

If he plays behind a good O-line, with good WRs and a good running back, won't he be a successful QB?

Aren't franchise QBs built, not born? (tongue in cheek)

Posted by: Vicc | March 30, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

I'm getting tired of seeing these "experts" have us draft Clausen at #4. No way do you take the second best player at any position at #4. A pick that high has to be for the best player at a position. If Bradford is gone, take the best O-lineman, best safety or even best D-linman available before taking the #2 QB in the draft.

Posted by: unquiltom | March 30, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Agree,agree,agree.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 30, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

(that is, if we stay with right handed QBs)

Okung in the 1st and Skins QB wont have to worry about his blind side for the next 10 years.
Make a trade to replace the Jarmon 3rd round pick and grab Jevan Snead, although he is moving up so fast, he may be a 2nd rounder by Draft day.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 30, 2010 5:45 PM

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 30, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

edvar, the only 2 of those guys on that list I would even consider is Carter and...well, that's it. We need the young guys. I think it's not a good trade for EITHER team.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 30, 2010 5:45 PM |

Yeah, I just get the feeling that Shanny's gonna try to bust a move to get Bradford, and I really want Okung as well. Trying to figure out a way to do that without trading picks. Not sure it's gonna work without a lot of pain...

Posted by: edvar | March 30, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Part of Clausen's workout should include Brian Orakpo getting a free shot at him while Clausen tries to make a deep pass to Sundial (as in, what it takes to time him in a 40) Kelly. If he can complete the pass AND get up off the ground after Orakpo plants him, then he might be okay. The reason for this drill is, obviously, if the Redskins spend the number four pick on a QB there will be no LT of note blocking for Clausen.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | March 30, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

We could make it happen for Orakpo and an aircraft carrier.

Posted by: League-Source | March 30, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

An attack carrier or a humanitarian aid carrier?

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 30, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

JC17 will be replaced with JC7

If he impresses coaches on his pro day

Clausen#4

PS: since this is obviously personal for all skins fans on this blog. I guess for the next 10 years you will need to root for another team. So sad!

this kid can play and he will excel with shanny & son

Posted by: byrdinthesky | March 30, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Vinny and butt-buddy (plus WaPo) say Bradford and Clausen.

Its either Berry or Okung ... they can't gamble a 4th pick in the draft.

Posted by: periculum | March 30, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I just get the feeling that Shanny's gonna try to bust a move to get Bradford, and I really want Okung as well. Trying to figure out a way to do that without trading picks. Not sure it's gonna work without a lot of pain...

Posted by: edvar | March 30, 2010 5:52 PM

This is kind of the reverse of "bird in the hand is worth two in the bush." You're saying that "three birds in the hand are worth one in the bush."

Posted by: League-Source | March 30, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Mel Kiper thinks the Redskins go QB. Are you really going to believe Vinny's buddy and confidant?

Posted by: periculum | March 30, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone heard the rumor that the US government is building concentration camps in case there is a revolutionary war? All of the young people are talking about it!

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | March 30, 2010 5:45 PM

And ACORN is running them.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 30, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

And unless they can trade JC17 I doubt they will even consider draft a QB in the 2nd round. Too many good OL will be left.

Posted by: periculum | March 30, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

An attack carrier or a humanitarian aid carrier?

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 30, 2010 5:55 PM

That's the beauty of the carrier. Bring it into port for two weeks and it can go out as anything you want, including a floating Cirque du Soleil. Let's see you do that with a pro quarterback.

Posted by: League-Source | March 30, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Agreed. JReid writes this AD NAUSEUM. Sick of reading it....one more time and I will puke.

Posted by: Lisa_R

Make sure your hair is pulled back :)

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 30, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

We could make it happen for Orakpo and an aircraft carrier.

Posted by: League-Source | March 30, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

An attack carrier or a humanitarian aid carrier?

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 30, 2010 5:55 PM

A humanitarian attck carrier.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 30, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Good one, Zeke! LMAO!

Posted by: League-Source | March 30, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

My deal was: JC 17, Montgomery, and then ANY TWO from the list of:

Carlos
Cooley
Carter
Wilson
Golsten
Kelley

That's four guys who can start for them in September. (Maybe it will take 3 guys from that list, I don't know...)

I'm just trying to find a way to keep the #4 pick and get Bradford at #1 if that's what Shanny really wants - without trading draft picks - 'cause I'm against any deal that trade's picks.

Posted by: edvar

Can't see the Rams coming close to this deal. Campbell is worth a 2nd or 3rd round pick. Monty is a 7th. Cooley is a 2nd, but coming off injury, so there would be a discount there. Each of the other guys has a drawback. Carter and Rogers are both near the end of their contracts, Carter has a no trade clause as well. Only works if the Rams can get longer term deals in place.


Still, I don't underestimate the way the Rams might view the #1 overall. I think some guys would love to have that pick ... others, might be more fearful of the considerable harm it could do if it doesn't pan out. I suspect the Rams, as an organization, are more fearful of the downside than excited by the upside.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 30, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

The young man that I work with and also my son told me that they saw the camps on the web! Just wondering if anyone else is hearing this!

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | March 30, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Vinny and butt-buddy (plus WaPo) say Bradford and Clausen.

Its either Berry or Okung ... they can't gamble a 4th pick in the draft.

Posted by: periculum | March 30, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Thank you peri, but either SUH or McCOY will be options as well most likely.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 30, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

The Rams are wasting their pick and money taking a risk on Sam Bradford. *Remember* franchise QBs are built, not born. The rams have used high draft picks putting together a solid o-line and have a stud RB. Now all they have to do is find a good WR and they can throw any 7th round QB in there for much cheaper than Bradford.

Patrick Ramsey, Heath Shuler, Gus Frerotte, Tim Hasselbeck, Jeff George, Danny Weurful, etc.

You see the 'Skins have had franchise QBs in the past, we just didn't give them enough protection and weapons. Because, ya know, franchise QBs are built, not born. (tongue in cheek)

Why is it that perennial losing teams have been perennially unsettled at the QB position?

Posted by: Vicc | March 30, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I just get the feeling that Shanny's gonna try to bust a move to get Bradford, and I really want Okung as well. Trying to figure out a way to do that without trading picks. Not sure it's gonna work without a lot of pain...

Posted by: edvar | March 30, 2010 5:52 PM
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Or, Shanny might pull his usual Draft Day Surprise and bust a move to get Cutler. Cutler is probably the only active NFL QB Shanny really wants.. He drafted him in 2006 and developed him into a probowler in 2008.
Chicago gave up a pant-load to get Cutler but, the architect of that deal has been fired. And the new Bears GM might see this as an opportunity to move Cutler, again, for picks or players.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 30, 2010 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Mel Kiper thinks the Redskins go QB. Are you really going to believe Vinny's buddy and confidant?

Posted by: periculum | March 30, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Check!!!!

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 30, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Patrick Ramsey, Heath Shuler, Gus Frerotte, Tim Hasselbeck, Jeff George, Danny Weurful, etc.

You see the 'Skins have had franchise QBs in the past, we just didn't give them enough protection and weapons. Because, ya know, franchise QBs are built, not born. (tongue in cheek)

Why is it that perennial losing teams have been perennially unsettled at the QB position?

Posted by: Vicc | March 30, 2010 6:11 PM
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yeah..its interesting that some of those QBs moved on to other teams with much better OLines and still failed.

When was the last time the Skins had a QB named to the ProBowl? Rypien?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 30, 2010 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Brad Johnson?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 30, 2010 6:23 PM | Report abuse

I'm okay with Bradford if he is there at 4, but Clausen? No way. This guy is not accurate and when he throws deep he has to try to throw the ball a mile high -- not how the pros do it. No Clausen!

Posted by: rb-freedom-for-all | March 30, 2010 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Someone please tell me what the "beep beep" means and when is it used? *new here*

Posted by: westjr88 | March 30, 2010 6:24 PM | Report abuse

beep = new post

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 30, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

yeah..its interesting that some of those QBs moved on to other teams with much better OLines and still failed.

When was the last time the Skins had a QB named to the ProBowl? Rypien?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 30, 2010 6:18 PM


`

I mean why would any team waste a valuable pick on QB. The QB is only as good as his offensive line. Like many here say about the trenches; offensive and defensive linemen win football games.

Posted by: Vicc | March 30, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

My next brave leap O faith........

Brandon Marshall for Malcom Kelly and this or next year's 2nd....

Book it!

Will prob happen before this year's draft

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 30, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

The young man that I work with and also my son told me that they saw the camps on the web! Just wondering if anyone else is hearing this!

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | March 30, 2010 6:08 PM

First I've heard it! But since it was on the interwebs, it's obviously true!

Posted by: 4-12 | March 30, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Brad Johnson?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 30, 2010 6:23 PM
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bingo.. probowl in 1999 while with the Skins. Good thing skins got rid of him.. He stunk all the way to lead TB to their only Super Bowl win in 04.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 30, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse

yeah..its interesting that some of those QBs moved on to other teams with much better OLines and still failed.

When was the last time the Skins had a QB named to the ProBowl? Rypien?

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM

That would be Brad Johnson who we ran off the new toy with the big arm.....Jeff George.

Posted by: dcwun | March 30, 2010 6:30 PM | Report abuse

westjr, what Kaneohe said... since a lot of us tend to refresh the current thread to follow the current conversation, the "beep beep" thing arose as a way to give each other a heads up that a new post has gone up. So we can continue the conversation on the new thread... A text version of a little alarm beeping, if you will.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 30, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Skinsfan

Posted by: westjr88 | March 30, 2010 6:32 PM | Report abuse

"they saw the camps on the web!"

I'll probably be sorry for asking this, but what are "the camps"?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 30, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

lol thanks Nate

Posted by: westjr88 | March 30, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Brad Johnson?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 30, 2010 6:23 P


Brad Johnson holds a 72-53 career record as a starter. So it's not surprising that he won with three different teams, three different systems, 3 different coaches, etc.

Posted by: Vicc | March 30, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Nate, see 'vexed' @5:45pm...

Posted by: 4-12 | March 30, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

I'll probably be sorry for asking this, but what are "the camps"?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 30, 2010 6:33 PM
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FEMA camps. U.N. troops are going to round up all the teabaggers and put them in FEMA death camps, manned by ACORN workers.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | March 30, 2010 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Brad Johnson was a franchise quarterback, or quite simply, a Qb who wins much more than he loses.

Posted by: Vicc | March 30, 2010 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Oh those camps.

I thought regular people weren't supposed to know about those! Doggone it, there must be a leak.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 30, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

"Brad Johnson was a franchise quarterback,"

Posted by: Vicc | March 30, 2010 6:40 PM

I know. For about 4 or 5 different franchises.

Posted by: dcwun | March 30, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse

After all these years, I'm still having trouble forgiving Dan Snyder for running off Brad Johnson. And I do hold him personally accountable for running off Brad Johnson. And for lots of other lousy stuff.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 30, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse

I'll probably be sorry for asking this, but what are "the camps"?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 30, 2010 6:33 PM
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FEMA camps. U.N. troops are going to round up all the teabaggers and put them in FEMA death camps, manned by ACORN workers.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | March 30, 2010 6:37 PM
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finally some use for those contaminated FEMA trailers.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 30, 2010 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Brad Johnson holds a 72-53 career record as a starter. So it's not surprising that he won with three different teams, three different systems, 3 different coaches, etc.

Posted by: Vicc | March 30, 2010 6:35 PM


Sweet...again with the 'team record for individual player' thing. I'm sure Brad Johnson had the Bucs and Vikes and Redskins on his back and THAT'S why he has that gaudy record. I'm sure it had nothing to do whatsoever with the great Bucs D that carried them to a SB win, I'm sure playing with Cris Carter and Jake Reed in Minny didn't help at all and that having a great developer of QBs like Norv here in Washington had ANYTHING to do with that record.

Oy vey...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 30, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

I know. For about 4 or 5 different franchises.

Posted by: dcwun | March 30, 2010 6:43 PM


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True. 4 or 5 different offensive lines, wr's, coaches, systems, and yet he still won games. amazing.

a franchise qb does not always equal great qb.

franchise qb = a qb you can consistently win with

Posted by: Vicc | March 30, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Holy crap people...Brad Johnson was a game manager who succeeded when he had all the pieces in place around him. IMO, a "franchise QB" is a guy you build a franchise around, a guy who can damn near win games on his own. Brad Johnson was NEVER at any point in time that guy.

If anything, BJ is a reminder of how long it's been since we've had a REAL franchise QB...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 30, 2010 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Brownwood26,

How do you judge Head Coaches, if not by winning percentage?

Posted by: Vicc | March 30, 2010 6:50 PM | Report abuse

How did Brad Johson accumulate so many wins playing behind so many different offensive lines?

playing in so many different offensive systems?

playing with so many different WRs?

I thought stability led to QB success?

Posted by: Vicc | March 30, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse

FEMA camps. U.N. troops are going to round up all the teabaggers and put them in FEMA death camps, manned by ACORN workers.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya

If you want to stop Nancy Pelosi from ramming this through, click on the "Donate Now" button.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 30, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse

True. 4 or 5 different offensive lines, wr's, coaches, systems, and yet he still won games. amazing.

a franchise qb does not always equal great qb.

franchise qb = a qb you can consistently win with

Posted by: Vicc | March 30, 2010 6:46 PM

I know that. We've won SBs with with average QBs. Look at the teams he's played on. I won't even go through the names on those teams. brownwood said it best.

Posted by: dcwun | March 30, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Clausen is the pick at #4 - probably has been all along. Picking up Gaither for our 2nd round pick would be nice too. I wouldn't be mad if Shanny/Allen managed to somehow pick-up Carriker and Barron from the Rams with a draft-day trade (Carter/Rogers/Davis). Gaither, Dockery, Rabach, Hicks, Barron should be an improvement over last year's line and provide Clausen with adequate protection.

Posted by: coparker5 | March 30, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Clausen is the pick at #4 - probably has been all along. Picking up Gaither for our 2nd round pick would be nice too. I wouldn't be mad if Shanny/Allen managed to somehow pick-up Carriker and Barron from the Rams with a draft-day trade (Carter/Rogers/Davis). Gaither, Dockery, Rabach, Hicks, Barron should be an improvement over last year's line and provide Clausen with adequate protection.

Posted by: coparker5 | March 30, 2010 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Heckuva job, brownie. Agreed that Brad Johnson is our reminder that it doesn't take a franchise QB to win consistently in this league, or to win a title. And that a guy's first few years don't necessary dictate what happens over the course of his career; Brad Johnson didn't exactly set the world on fire in Minny before he came to the Skins.

The QB doesn't have to be a miracle worker. That's why I still have some faith that this team could win with Jason Campbell at quarterback. He sure as hell isn't a miracle worker, and he sure as hell isn't a franchise QB, but he's the best option for us right now, this season.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 30, 2010 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Brad Johnson holds a 72-53 career record as a starter. So it's not surprising that he won with three different teams, three different systems, 3 different coaches, etc.

Posted by: Vicc | March 30, 2010 6:35 PM


Sweet...again with the 'team record for individual player' thing. I'm sure Brad Johnson had the Bucs and Vikes and Redskins on his back and THAT'S why he has that gaudy record. I'm sure it had nothing to do whatsoever with the great Bucs D that carried them to a SB win, I'm sure playing with Cris Carter and Jake Reed in Minny didn't help at all and that having a great developer of QBs like Norv here in Washington had ANYTHING to do with that record.

Oy vey...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 30, 2010 6:46 PM
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Skins have had great Defenses, and great QB coaches (Gibbs/Saunders/Zorn).. What if we had had Brad Johnson from 1999-2009? How different would it of been? But, we dumped him for Jeff George??
Most amazing was when he took over the Vikes in early mid-season when Duante was failing, and took them to the playoffs.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 30, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Well, if one must make a wish, Santa Clausen might be a start......

Posted by: petesleapingcat | March 30, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

That's why I still have some faith that this team could win with Jason Campbell at quarterback. He sure as hell isn't a miracle worker, and he sure as hell isn't a franchise QB, but he's the best option for us right now, this season.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 30, 2010 6:55 PM
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Now you've done it. Vic1/Vicc is going to spend next 12 hours crying about Jason Campbell. (Just like he spent the last 12 hours.)
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Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | March 30, 2010 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | March 30, 2010 6:59 PM

When did I cry about Jason Campbell? I don't mention him as much as you perceive.

Posted by: Vicc | March 30, 2010 7:06 PM | Report abuse

thunder, I took that as a given when I posted my dopey comment. I'm just as hardheaded, in my way, as the fabulous vic brothers.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 30, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse

(And Vicc, I know you're not the same as vic1, and that he's the one who beats on JC all the time, not you... just trying to run with the gag a bit...)

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 30, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

I am sick and tired of J. Reid saying sources say Shanahan is highly interested in drafting a QB to raise in his system. A source is not a retired head coach who knows Shanahan and is SPECULATING what he might or might not do. SPECULATION from someone is not a source. STOP with all the garbage reporting!

Posted by: Michael_ASU | March 30, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

He sure as hell isn't a miracle worker, and he sure as hell isn't a franchise QB, but he's the best option for us right now, this season.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 30, 2010 6:55 PM
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"this season"?? Do you really think the Skins will start with JC behind Center when they didnt want to extend his Contract?
JC will be traded to prevent a distracting Contract issue that Shanahan has never tolerated in the past.
Not saying JC isnt a great QB.. just that the Skins FO has already spoken. Especially given for just an extra 124,000 dollars it would of forced a team to give up a 1st AND a 3rd rounder to get JC.
Translation.. "we want to make a deal".

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 30, 2010 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Funny how every time I mention QBs are judged by winning percentage, I get detractors.

But

When I mention Head Coaches are judged by winning percentage? crickets. and head coaches don't even play a snap...

Posted by: Vicc | March 30, 2010 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Please let this be a smokescreen. If the Skins take Clausen instead of best OT available/Suh/McCoy my head is going to explode.

Posted by: Grimey | March 30, 2010 7:14 PM | Report abuse

(And Vicc, I know you're not the same as vic1, and that he's the one who beats on JC all the time, not you... just trying to run with the gag a bit...)

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 30, 2010 7:09 PM

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Fair enough. I knew immediately, once Vic1 came along, that'd I be associated with him. Especially since we both don't feel like JC17 is the answer at qB

Posted by: Vicc | March 30, 2010 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone deny, bad O-line or not, that if BJ14 was QBing last year we would have had a better record?

Posted by: westjr88 | March 30, 2010 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Until that trade happens, SnaGM, I steadfastly maintain that JC is the Skins' best option at QB in 2010.

And Vicc, I think QBs and head coaches should both be judged on their teams' winning percentages. Just that winning percentage alone shouldn't be the sole factor in judging a QB.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 30, 2010 7:16 PM | Report abuse

How do you judge Head Coaches, if not by winning percentage?

Posted by: Vicc | March 30, 2010 6:50 PM


Apple and oranges, Hoss...HCs are responsible for the ENTIRE team. Preparation, game planning, offseason programs, in-game decisions, clock management, etc. Those things permeate to the core of whether a team wins or loses. Plus, there are no other stats to judge a coach other than W/L record, for the most part.

QBs are individual players who (at most) are responsible for directing the offense. And while I respect the fact that the flow and the success of the offense has a lot to do with the play of the QB, you still can't blame the QB entirely (key word: ENTIRELY) if the offense doesn't go well. Any half-way educated football fan can tell when an offense is a QB away from being good, and the Redskins are light years from being one of those teams.

The '08 Vikings were a team that was a QB away. And the '09 Vikings were proof. The O-line is one of the best in the league. They have a dynamic and deep stable of RBs. Enter Favre, and they go from decent to REALLY good. If you put Favre on the Redskins, you get an even worse version of the '08 Favre who stunk up NY.

This ain't rocket science, dude. Just common sense.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 30, 2010 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Our defense kept us in a lot of games last year. It was because of them, almost ENTIRELY that the games weren't over by the 3rd quarter.

Posted by: westjr88 | March 30, 2010 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone deny, bad O-line or not, that if BJ14 was QBing last year we would have had a better record?

Posted by: westjr88

If he was behind that line with that playbook, Brad Johnson would have had a concussion or wheelchair bound by week 4.

Posted by: dcwun | March 30, 2010 7:24 PM | Report abuse


"...try finding the worst thing that you could drink n kill urself."

Bleach
Sulfuric Acid
Chlorine
Urine
Watery bowel movement
Gutter water

I can't think of anything else...

Beet juice

Posted by: edvar

Coors Light

Posted by: johnnyreds | March 30, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse

westjr88, the question is not how Brad Johnson would've done as QB of the 2009 Redskins, it's how we would have commented upon his performance up here.

Because, y'know, it's all about us.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 30, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Heckuva job, brownie. Agreed that Brad Johnson is our reminder that it doesn't take a franchise QB to win consistently in this league, or to win a title. And that a guy's first few years don't necessary dictate what happens over the course of his career;

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 30, 2010 6:55 PM
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I think its the exception.. not the rule..
Using the last 10 years as a sampling..

*Difler and Ravens the Exception.

*All other SB winners, (with ProBowl QBs), the Rule (pats, saints, steelers, giants, bucs w/brad johnson etc).. They all had ProBowl QBs.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 30, 2010 7:31 PM | Report abuse

I admit that it is a bit unfair to pin record on QB, but it's a common practice even among coaches, players, analysts, and fans.

How else could you explain Brad Johnson winning every where he's been despite the lack of stability?

Posted by: Vicc | March 30, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

FEMA camps. U.N. troops are going to round up all the teabaggers and put them in FEMA death camps, manned by ACORN workers.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | March 30, 2010 6:37 PM |

Speaking of, since when did it become okay for politicians to outright insult large groups of citizens so blatantly? Calling a bunch of citizens "teabaggers" is alright for you and I to do, but since when is it alright for the people elected into office to do it? Seems king of arrogant and elitist. I know, let's have McCain call liberal citizens terrorists and fags and lets have Obama call conservative citizens gun toting, religious nuts.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 30, 2010 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Defenses brought the HOUSE last year. They would rush everybody and it was because they too knew that Campbell couldnt beat them. There was no respect for his ability and deservedly so. You get someone who can audible into or out of plays based on what he sees is coming at the line and its a different story. How many times do we get beat on quick slants when we blitz??

It is all about us Nate....$100 for a ticket and $7 a beer....I want to see some damn wins.

Posted by: westjr88 | March 30, 2010 7:37 PM | Report abuse

FEMA camps. U.N. troops are going to round up all the teabaggers and put them in FEMA death camps, manned by ACORN workers.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | March 30, 2010 6:37 PM |

Speaking of, since when did it become okay for politicians to outright insult large groups of citizens so blatantly? Calling a bunch of citizens "teabaggers" is alright for you and I to do, but since when is it alright for the people elected into office to do it? Seems king of arrogant and elitist. I know, let's have McCain call liberal citizens terrorists and fags and lets have Obama call conservative citizens gun toting, religious nuts.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 30, 2010 7:37 PM | Report abuse

So Pro Bowl = "franchise QB"?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 30, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse

So Pro Bowl = "franchise QB"?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 30, 2010 7:38 PM

Pro Bowl= Popular QB

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 30, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

So Pro Bowl = "franchise QB"?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 30, 2010 7:38 PM

Pro Bowl= Popular QB

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 30, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

I admit that it is a bit unfair to pin record on QB, but it's a common practice even among coaches, players, analysts, and fans.

How else could you explain Brad Johnson winning every where he's been despite the lack of stability?


Posted by: Vicc | March 30, 2010 7:33 PM

His teams were really good and loaded with talent and a few HOFers.

A QBs winning% doesn't tell the complete story. Look at Sonny J's winning%. If he played for us today, he'd be called every name in the book and run out of town.

Posted by: dcwun | March 30, 2010 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of, since when did it become okay for politicians to outright insult large groups of citizens so blatantly? Calling a bunch of citizens "teabaggers" is alright for you and I to do, but since when is it alright for the people elected into office to do it? Seems king of arrogant and elitist. I know, let's have McCain call liberal citizens terrorists and fags and lets have Obama call conservative citizens gun toting, religious nuts.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 30, 2010

I see you are in rare Orange County, CA form. (not sure if you moved yet)

Posted by: dcwun | March 30, 2010 7:44 PM | Report abuse

I know, let's have McCain call liberal citizens terrorists and fags and lets have Obama call conservative citizens gun toting, religious nuts.

Posted by: scampbell1975

Correction, the terrorists are mostly from the right. Fags are mostly from the left, though.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 30, 2010 7:44 PM | Report abuse

So Pro Bowl = "franchise QB"?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 30, 2010 7:38 PM
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no..
Pro Bowl QB = better odds at seeing your team in the SB

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I think its the exception.. not the rule..
Using the last 10 years as a sampling..

*Difler and Ravens the Exception.

*All other SB winners, (with ProBowl QBs), the Rule (pats, saints, steelers, giants, bucs w/brad johnson etc).. They all had ProBowl QBs.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 30, 2010 7:44 PM | Report abuse

The fact that Little Danny's caddy (Vinny) likes Clausen is all the evidence needed to know that he'll be a wasted draft pick. Any team that blows a first-round pick on this overrated hack will regret it as long as he is on the roster.

Posted by: DC2Dallas | March 30, 2010 7:48 PM | Report abuse

The Philadelphia Eagles are continuing trade discussions with a number of teams about trading quarterback Donovan McNabb and those discussions could continue until draft day, a senior team official told ESPN's Sal Paolantonio on Tuesday. "There is no so-called front-runner," the senior team official said. "We continue to engage in conversations with multiple teams that initially contacted us. Some of the offers involve draft picks, some involve a player, some involve many players. We are evaluating the offers. Also, the team official said there is no magic number in the draft that would be required to make a deal for McNabb. Late last week, there was an Associated Press report the Eagles wanted at least the 42nd pick in the draft for McNabb. "That's not true," the team official said.

Translation - McNabb to Eagles: "Any deal goes through me. I ain't going to be dealt to no bottom-dwelling whack jobs."

Posted by: ChinaLake | March 30, 2010 7:49 PM | Report abuse

I see you are in rare Orange County, CA form. (not sure if you moved yet)

Posted by: dcwun | March 30, 2010 7:44 PM

Not yet. Closed on the house but the wifey is still looking for a job. Anyways, not sure what location has to do with being sick of ass hole politicians.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 30, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Beet juice

Posted by: edvar

Coors Light

Posted by: johnnyreds | March 30, 2010 7:30 PM |

A nice tall cold glass of poop juice.

Posted by: ChinaLake | March 30, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Correction, the terrorists are mostly from the right. Fags are mostly from the left, though.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 30, 2010 7:44 PM |

Oh, my bad. But I got the religious gun toting part correct right? So the libs are commie, tree hugging fags?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 30, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse

I think its the exception.. not the rule..
Using the last 10 years as a sampling..

*Difler and Ravens the Exception.

*All other SB winners, (with ProBowl QBs), the Rule (pats, saints, steelers, giants, bucs w/brad johnson etc).. They all had ProBowl QBs.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 30, 2010 7:44 PM

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I swear you are in my head sometimes.

Gibbs winning 3 Superbowls with 3 different qbs is also an exception, not a rule.

Posted by: Vicc | March 30, 2010 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of, since when did it become okay for politicians to outright insult large groups of citizens so blatantly? Calling a bunch of citizens "teabaggers" is alright for you and I to do...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 30, 2010 7:37 PM |
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So you're unaware that the name 'teabaggers' was selected by the 'large groups of citizens' themselves?

Surprised, I'm not.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | March 30, 2010 7:57 PM | Report abuse

I am going to play the "Race" card....

Do you think if Tim Tebow were black, he would have "clawed his way into the first round"?

No way he'd be getting the benefit of the doubt.

Let's get it on!

Posted by: rickyroge | March 30, 2010 7:58 PM | Report abuse

I also don't agree so much with the enthusiasm of seeing a guy, at his house, throwing passes to guys while in his gym clothes. Just look at whatever game film that is available against their best opponents, particularly in away games.

I have a pretty decent arm and I probably could make 75% of the throws they make, in my gym shorts, throwing to my friends, with no pressure.

Posted by: westjr88 | March 30, 2010 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Tebow has "prayed" his way to the first round.

Posted by: westjr88 | March 30, 2010 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Oh, my bad. But I got the religious gun toting part correct right? So the libs are commie, tree hugging fags?

Posted by: scampbell1975

Sure did. Just trying to keep the slurs accurate.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 30, 2010 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Ugh, please no.

Posted by: alizadk

I couldn't agree more. Oline, please. Okung!

Posted by: XCountryTrevor | March 30, 2010 8:03 PM | Report abuse

I actually like Tim Tebow...seems like he has more competetive spirit than our current QB...

but if he were black he'd be running the wildcat or routes!

Posted by: rickyroge | March 30, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

I admit that it is a bit unfair to pin record on QB, but it's a common practice even among coaches, players, analysts, and fans.

How else could you explain Brad Johnson winning every where he's been despite the lack of stability?

Posted by: Vicc | March 30, 2010 7:33 PM


Another common practice is using arm strength as a determinate of whether a QB is good or not. And 40 times for RBs/WRs. Doesn't make it right.

Brad Johnson has played well in several spots because he is what he is. He's a game manager. He plays within himself. He checks down and throws the ball out of bounds when there's nothing there. He had zero mobility and couldn't outrun the hash marks if he tried. So if the team around him was solid and the defense was stout, he was the perfect compliment. If you put him on a team like the one we had last year, he would have been crucified for a lot of the same stuff some up here kill JC over. He'd check down to backs and chuck passes out of bounds to save possession, and that's for the few games he'd actually survive. With his non-existent mobility, he'd be dead (not injured...DEAD) by Week 3 behind the line we had last year.

The mistake many are making is not reading between the lines. The reasons for Brad Johnson's (or any other QB for that matter) success extend far beyond his actual skills or abilities. A lot of it is him simply picking the right situations.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 30, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

I also don't agree so much with the enthusiasm of seeing a guy, at his house, throwing passes to guys while in his gym clothes. Just look at whatever game film that is available against their best opponents, particularly in away games.

I have a pretty decent arm and I probably could make 75% of the throws they make, in my gym shorts, throwing to my friends, with no pressure.

Posted by: westjr88 | March 30, 2010 7:58 PM

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Weird how Suh was the hands down/can't miss best prospect in the draft based purely on game film.

And now possibly 3 players will be picked before him, based on overthinking pro days and combine stats.

Posted by: Vicc | March 30, 2010 8:07 PM | Report abuse

I am going to play the "Race" card....

Do you think if Tim Tebow were black, he would have "clawed his way into the first round"?

No way he'd be getting the benefit of the doubt.

Let's get it on!

Posted by: rickyroge | March 30, 2010 7:58 PM

If Tim Tebow were black, would he be an outspoken Christian?

Or even a virgin?

Posted by: Vicc | March 30, 2010 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Beet juice

Posted by: edvar

Coors Light

Posted by: johnnyreds | March 30, 2010 7:30 PM |

A nice tall cold glass of poop juice.

Posted by: ChinaLake | March 30, 2010 7:54 PM


China, that was already covered under the title "Coors Light"...LOL

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 30, 2010 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Weird how Suh was the hands down/can't miss best prospect in the draft based purely on game film.

And now possibly 3 players will be picked before him, based on overthinking pro days and combine stats.

Posted by: Vicc | March 30, 2010 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Well whoever's there at #4, SUH, McCOY BRADFORD or OKUNG, take um'. One of them will be for sure.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 30, 2010 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Vicc-

There are many black ourspoken Christians...not many virgins though:)

Posted by: rickyroge | March 30, 2010 8:12 PM | Report abuse

If Tim Tebow were black, would he be an outspoken Christian?

Or even a virgin?

Posted by: Vicc

If Tebow was black, he wouldn't have been asked to do the Focus on the Family ad.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 30, 2010 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Sure did. Just trying to keep the slurs accurate.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 30, 2010 8:02 PM |

They should be up-to-date slurs also.

So the libs are commie, tree hugging fags?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 30, 2010 7:54 PM |

There are no commies any more. Tree huggers (Avatar) and fags (gay marriage) are respectable now.

Posted by: ChinaLake | March 30, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse

All this talk of Brad Johnson.

I wish we had been able to keep Trent Green and never even gone there. That would have been a very good thing for many years...

Posted by: edvar | March 30, 2010 8:14 PM | Report abuse

I am going to play the "Race" card....

Do you think if Tim Tebow were black, he would have "clawed his way into the first round"?

No way he'd be getting the benefit of the doubt.

Let's get it on!

Posted by: rickyroge | March 30, 2010 7:58 PM


Ricky, that argument died when Michael Vick went #1 overall. That dude has a rocket arm and great 40 time. That's it. That's his skill set.

(Or at least it was...)

I'm no Tebow fan, but at least he has a work ethic and a skill set beyond "I can throw far" or "I can run really fast".

I'm just gonna assume that's the reason why NFL teams are giving him a shot, not because he's white.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 30, 2010 8:14 PM | Report abuse

I say let Suh and McCoy rush, let Okung and Campbell or whoever block and let Bradford and Clausen throw. Then you can evaluate everybody at one time.

I can't see drafting a quarterback named after a pickle to begin with.

Posted by: westjr88 | March 30, 2010 8:14 PM | Report abuse

So you're unaware that the name 'teabaggers' was selected by the 'large groups of citizens' themselves?

Surprised, I'm not.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | March 30, 2010 7:57 PM |

You're putting the cart before the horse thunder. First some a hole media lackey (a popular guy but I can't remember his name) used it, then the politicians on the left starting using it and those signs were a response to it.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 30, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

I agree brownwood.

He is an excellent athlete if not an excellent passer and is probably not breeding pit bulls or fighting cocks in Suffolk, VA either.

Posted by: westjr88 | March 30, 2010 8:18 PM | Report abuse

let MS and BA do what they do maroons! They are real football people, not like allof you typing nonsense while asking if, "would you like fries with that sir?"

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | March 30, 2010 8:18 PM | Report abuse

I think its the exception.. not the rule..
Using the last 10 years as a sampling..

*Difler and Ravens the Exception.

*All other SB winners, (with ProBowl QBs), the Rule (pats, saints, steelers, giants, bucs w/brad johnson etc).. They all had ProBowl QBs.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 30, 2010 7:44 PM

I swear you are in my head sometimes.

Gibbs winning 3 Superbowls with 3 different qbs is also an exception, not a rule.

Posted by: Vicc | March 30, 2010 7:55 PM
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"in my head sometimes"??
Gibbs won the SB twice with three different QBs.. And 2 of the 3 were Pro-Bowl caliber.
Theisman was Pro-Bowl twice.
Rypien was Pro-Bowl twice.

My earlier example was a 10 year sampling..

So another exception the last 30 years.. Doug Williams.. and he should of been Pro-Bowl at least once.. But, he was SB MVP.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 30, 2010 8:20 PM | Report abuse

brownwood...

good point, but I'm sure that there were other black QB's that were willing to work hard too.

Tebow seems like a good kid, but there have been many black QB's that were told they would have to play another position or none at all.

Posted by: rickyroge | March 30, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

1965 = Robert Henson

:)

Posted by: NateinthePDX | March 30, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Mark Knoller
A last-minute demonstration, organized by a coalition of 30 conservative organizations and featuring actor Jon Voight, filled the West Lawn of Capitol Hill on Saturday afternoon. President Obama arrived later in the afternoon to meet with Democratic congressmen, and the chief executive encountered the shouts of the conservative protesters as he entered the halls of Congress.

CNN's Anderson Cooper was among the first to use the "tea-bagging" or "tea-bagger" term almost a year ago on April 14, 2009. Since then, the vulgar reference has been used by many liberal members of the mainstream media, including Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermann of MSNBC, CNN's Candy Crowley, and more recently, by left-wing radio flamethrower Mike Malloy.

[H/t: Kathleen McKinley on Twitter.]

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-balan/2010/03/20/cbs-newss-mark-knoller-tea-bagger-protests-outside-capitol-hill#ixzz0ji1J2xJ8

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 30, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

which robert henson? journalist or linebacker?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | March 30, 2010 8:26 PM | Report abuse

which robert henson? journalist or linebacker?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | March 30, 2010 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Seems to me, if you go down the list of exceptions to the rule that "you must have a great Pro-Bowl QB win it all" (SB winning Redskins QBs, Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Big Ben, etc.) then maybe--just maybe--that rule isn't actually a rule, but just some inaccurate notion. Just sayin'...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 30, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

let MS and BA do what they do maroons! They are real football people, not like allof you typing nonsense while asking if, "would you like fries with that sir?"

Posted by: 1965skinsfan

A BA and an MS. Finally have my nickname for Shanahan and Allen. The 2 Degrees.

Thanks 1965!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 30, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

"Another common practice is using arm strength as a determinate of whether a QB is good or not. And 40 times for RBs/WRs. Doesn't make it right."

That was an excellent point Brownwood26.

Posted by: Vicc | March 30, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

From RI:

If Bradford is selected first by the St. Louis Rams, and the Redskins are unable to maneuver to get him, Clausen figures to be available when they select at fourth overall.

My question is at what point are we going to see video of Snyder, Allen and Shanahan regaling Bradford at some spiffy local grub joint a la Sanchezeria last year? Just so Clausen will feel "wanted" when the Skins have to settle for him and Campbell will be psyched to be a DL punching bag until the OL improves and Jimmy is ready to be handed the reins.

Posted by: ChinaLake | March 30, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of, wikipedia has a wonderful description of tea bagging. Pretty funny stuff.

There is some disagreement abput whether Anderson Cooper called the group teabaggers before the signs were displayed. But thunder, I wouldn't say that the group called themselves that.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 30, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

all i'm saying is I could care less who they draft and i don't pretend to know more than Allen or Shanahan as many of you think you do. They should have the benefit of the doubt while trying to right this ship called redskins.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | March 30, 2010 8:32 PM | Report abuse

FEMA Camps! HUH? Did I wake up in Russia or China? What the he11 is a FEMA camp and why the he11 are they doing this?

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | March 30, 2010 8:32 PM | Report abuse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKXca5Oc7sY&feature=related


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I recommend watching "The Boondocks"

Great show.

Posted by: Vicc | March 30, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse

all i'm saying is I could care less who they draft and i don't pretend to know more than Allen or Shanahan as many of you think you do. They should have the benefit of the doubt while trying to right this ship called redskins.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan

No doubt the Two Degrees deserve the benefit of the doubt. They'll make mistakes, but they are professionals and we're expecting them to get it right a lot more often than we've seen for a very long time.

But that isn't going to slow us hamsters from having opinions.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 30, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Is it just me, or does a "private workout" sound dangerously close to a lap dance?

Posted by: randysbailin | March 30, 2010 8:36 PM | Report abuse

The two Degrees, LMAO !

Posted by: vexed50verizonnet | March 30, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse


all i'm saying is I could care less who they draft and i don't pretend to know more than Allen or Shanahan as many of you think you do. They should have the benefit of the doubt while trying to right this ship called redskins.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan

No doubt the Two Degrees deserve the benefit of the doubt. They'll make mistakes, but they are professionals and we're expecting them to get it right a lot more often than we've seen for a very long time.

But that isn't going to slow us hamsters from having opinions.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 30, 2010 8:35 PM |

You are both very correct. This blog would be extremely boring without our "expert" opinions.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 30, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 30, 2010 8:14 PM


So what is his skill set? Jump passer extraordinaire, motivational speaker? He is not an accurate passer, he doesnt have a great arm and while he is effective running the ball he wont be able to run over everyone at this level. I dont know why everyone thinks that he can will himself into being an effective nfl qb. Hundreds of qbs before him have failed, and you dont think they had good work ethic? You dont think Colt Brennan works hard? Trying hard is not a reason to draft the white Tommy Frazier before the 4th round.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | March 30, 2010 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Doesn't really matter what we say....they will draft who they want, some will praise and some will bit@h.

The only definate is that the crowd will boo profusely when the Jets pick...as always, last year being the lone exception.

Posted by: westjr88 | March 30, 2010 8:38 PM | Report abuse

He is an excellent athlete if not an excellent passer and is probably not breeding pit bulls or fighting cocks in Suffolk, VA either.

Posted by: westjr88 | March 30, 2010 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Sorry WESTJR88, I grew up there. It's a truely happenin' place.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 30, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

CNN's Anderson Cooper was among the first to use the "tea-bagging" or "tea-bagger" term almost a year ago on April 14, 2009. Since then, the vulgar reference has been used by many liberal members of the mainstream media, including Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermann of MSNBC, CNN's Candy Crowley, and more recently, by left-wing radio flamethrower Mike Malloy.

[H/t: Kathleen McKinley on Twitter.]

Read more: (the hilariously, continuously, discredited newsbuttsers)

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 30, 2010 8:22 PM |
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Umm, no. Teabaggers were being urged to "tea bag the White House" in February and March of 2009.

But don't worry, scampbell1975, I'm going to use my ACORN contacts to ask our Kenyan President to keep his government hands off yur Medicare.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | March 30, 2010 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Seems to me, if you go down the list of exceptions to the rule that "you must have a great Pro-Bowl QB win it all" (SB winning Redskins QBs, Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Big Ben, etc.) then maybe--just maybe--that rule isn't actually a rule, but just some inaccurate notion. Just sayin'...

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 30, 2010 8:27 PM
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brownie.. your examples of exceptions??

Williams, SB MVP 87 (exception)
Rypien, probowl 89,91
Theisman, probowl 82,83
Brad Johnson, probowl 99,02
Trent Dilfer, probowl 97
Big Ben, probowl 2007

I still say its more the Rule than the exception that you need a ProBowl caliber QB to win the SuperBowl. One Exception being Doug Williams.. Who, if I recall correctly, was jerked around substituting for Shroeder, on and off, throughout that SB season. Otherwise, if he started most of that year, he should of qualified for the ProBowl.

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 30, 2010 8:43 PM | Report abuse

"in my head sometimes"??

Posted by: SkinsneedaGM | March 30, 2010 8:20 PM


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I mean you type exactly what I was thinking, sometimes.

Posted by: Vicc | March 30, 2010 8:44 PM | Report abuse

So what is his skill set? Jump passer extraordinaire, motivational speaker? He is not an accurate passer, he doesnt have a great arm and while he is effective running the ball he wont be able to run over everyone at this level. I dont know why everyone thinks that he can will himself into being an effective nfl qb. Hundreds of qbs before him have failed, and you dont think they had good work ethic? You dont think Colt Brennan works hard? Trying hard is not a reason to draft the white Tommy Frazier before the 4th round.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | March 30, 2010 8:38 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Tebow will be great either but I will say he is an excellent athlete and at least on the outside, is a good, classy kid, who will listen to what he's told rather than buck the system and the coaches and complain about training camp, preseason games,attend OTA's, not end up in jail or have baby mama drama.

Posted by: westjr88 | March 30, 2010 8:45 PM | Report abuse

I actually like Tim Tebow...seems like he has more competetive spirit than our current QB...

but if he were black he'd be running the wildcat or routes!

Posted by: rickyroge | March 30, 2010 8:04 PM

If Tebow was black he would be pray that he would end up being the NFL version of David Garrard.

Posted by: Diesel44 | March 30, 2010 8:45 PM | Report abuse

I've been riding around in my limo all night, burning the American flag and not supporting the troops. Way to spill the beans about the FEMA camps guys. I know most teabaggers are old and slow but this will make it a little more difficult to round them up. Also I thought that "teabagger" nickname came about because of their fondness for male genitalia being dipped into their open mouths? Is someone saying this isn't true?

Posted by: mack1 | March 30, 2010 8:45 PM | Report abuse

CNN's Anderson Cooper was among the first to use the "tea-bagging" or "tea-bagger" term almost a year ago on April 14, 2009. Since then, the vulgar reference has been used by many liberal members of the mainstream media, including Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermann of MSNBC, CNN's Candy Crowley, and more recently, by left-wing radio flamethrower Mike Malloy.

[H/t: Kathleen McKinley on Twitter.]

Read more: (the hilariously, continuously, discredited newsbuttsers)

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 30, 2010 8:22 PM |
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Umm, no. Teabaggers were being urged to "tea bag the White House" in February and March of 2009.

But don't worry, scampbell1975, I'm going to use my ACORN contacts to ask our Kenyan President to keep his government hands off yur Medicare.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | March 30, 2010 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Hot damn, that's funnier than thinking pit bulls are not bred and cock fights don't happen in SUFFOLK "Peanut Capitol of the World" VIRGINIA which is a great place to be from..............FAR from!!!!

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 30, 2010 8:46 PM | Report abuse

He is an excellent athlete if not an excellent passer and is probably not breeding pit bulls or fighting cocks in Suffolk, VA either.

Posted by: westjr88 | March 30, 2010 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Sorry WESTJR88, I grew up there. It's a truely happenin' place.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 30, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Are you saying that in a good way or a bad way? I'm from right up the Bay in Mathews Co. but nothing is happenin' there. Good, bad or otherwise.....which is a good thing.

Posted by: westjr88 | March 30, 2010 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Umm, no. Teabaggers were being urged to "tea bag the White House" in February and March of 2009.

But don't worry, scampbell1975, I'm going to use my ACORN contacts to ask our Kenyan President to keep his government hands off yur Medicare.
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | March 30, 2010 8:42 PM |

You are talking about 2 different things my man. The "tea bag the white house" campaign was an effort to get people to send actual tea bags to the white house symbolizing something like the Boston Tea Party and their anti tax and spend bias. Calling someone a teabagger has a completely different connotation.

Oh, and as far as medicare is concerned, thanks, but I have insurance...for now. Until the companies go out of business and I have to rely on government healthcare that is.

Oh, and can you have ACORN send by some hookers?

Oh, and tell FEMA I have a couple recruits for their "summer camps."

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 30, 2010 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Sorry WESTJR88, I grew up there. It's a truely happenin' place.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 30, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

I was not referring to Vick, btw, but rather I was saying Tebow WASN'T doing those things. I have no doubt that its going on, just can't figure out for the life of me why.

Posted by: westjr88 | March 30, 2010 8:53 PM | Report abuse

The '08 Vikings were a team that was a QB away. And the '09 Vikings were proof. The O-line is one of the best in the league. They have a dynamic and deep stable of RBs. Enter Favre, and they go from decent to REALLY good. If you put Favre on the Redskins, you get an even worse version of the '08 Favre who stunk up NY.

This ain't rocket science, dude. Just common sense.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 30, 2010 7:22 PM

Did I miss the Vikings' Super Bowl win? If not, then they were not a QB away according to your standard - "If you're not first you're last." They didn't even make the last game of the season.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | March 30, 2010 8:54 PM | Report abuse

westjr88:

DUDE, MATHEWS warms my heart. Dated a college sweetheart who lived on HORN HARBOR back in the early 60's.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 30, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

I have no doubt that its going on, just can't figure out for the life of me why.

Posted by: westjr88 | March 30, 2010 8:53 PM | Report abuse

What else is there to do?

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 30, 2010 8:57 PM | Report abuse

anyone have opinions on the three o linemen picked up a few weeks back, lichtensteiger, oldenburg, and paul fainaka?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | March 30, 2010 8:57 PM | Report abuse

his ain't rocket science, dude. Just common sense.

Posted by: brownwood26 | March 30, 2010 7:22 PM

Did I miss the Vikings' Super Bowl win? If not, then they were not a QB away according to your standard - "If you're not first you're last." They didn't even make the last game of the season.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | March 30, 2010 8:54 PM | Report abuse

I would love to be able to say at least that much about us instead of being eliminated in week 8.

Posted by: westjr88 | March 30, 2010 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and as far as medicare is concerned, thanks, but I have insurance...for now. Until the companies go out of business and I have to rely on government healthcare that is.

Oh yeah. Book it.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 30, 2010 8:59 PM | Report abuse

westjr88:

DUDE, MATHEWS warms my heart. Dated a college sweetheart who lived on HORN HARBOR back in the early 60's.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 30, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Small world, ain't it?
My grandparents lived on Horn Harbor and spent my whole childhood in it.

Posted by: westjr88 | March 30, 2010 9:00 PM | Report abuse

anyone have opinions on the three o linemen picked up a few weeks back, lichtensteiger, oldenburg, and paul fainaka?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | March 30, 2010 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Not yet, but gimmie a minute.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 30, 2010 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Ahemmmm....

NNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

Thank you.

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | March 30, 2010 9:03 PM | Report abuse

althoug a dire need, perhaps ms and ba have seen something in the three O-linemen I mention as well as the holdovers? Again, a QB with a faster read and delivery, and O-linemen given TE support etc can cover-up deficiences. We'll see soon enough.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | March 30, 2010 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and can you have ACORN send by some hookers?
===============

You'd be better off asking Tom DeLay and Jack Abramoff, seeing as they were actually involved in a scam involving prostitition.

Unlike ACORN
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | March 30, 2010 9:04 PM | Report abuse

anyone have opinions on the three o linemen picked up a few weeks back, lichtensteiger, oldenburg, and paul fainaka?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | March 30, 2010 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Not yet, but gimmie a minute.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 30, 2010 9:00 PM | Report abuse


They are probably all pissed off now and have formed a support group.

Posted by: westjr88 | March 30, 2010 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | March 30, 2010 8:57 PM

I think the fact that you probably dont know who in the hell they are should tell you something. Probably brought in to compete during training camp just like Dutch, Skolitnitsky and a few other names you have seen before that were cut last year.

Posted by: KingJoffeJoffer | March 30, 2010 9:04 PM | Report abuse

westjr88:

Stick around dude. Don't want to go into that too much at once, but over the course of time...........later, O.K.? HANDY ring a bell.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 30, 2010 9:04 PM | Report abuse

westjr88:

Stick around dude. Don't want to go into that too much at once, but over the course of time...........later, O.K.? HANDY ring a bell.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 30, 2010 9:04 PM | Report abuse


It rings a very faint one.
So you have been there then, I take it?

Posted by: westjr88 | March 30, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

It rings a very faint one.
So you have been there then, I take it?

Posted by: westjr88 | March 30, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Absolutely. Miss it too, unlike SUFFOLK. We used to have a summer place up the RAPPAHANOCK on MEACHUM's CREEK.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 30, 2010 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Ahemmmm....

NNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

Thank you.

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks

There's a name I haven't seen in a while!!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | March 30, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

althoug O=line is a dire need, perhaps ms and ba have seen something in the three O-linemen I mention as well as the holdovers? Again, a QB with a faster read and delivery, and O-linemen given TE support etc can cover-up deficiences. We'll see soon enough.

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | March 30, 2010 9:15 PM | Report abuse

WOW westjr, went to college with loads of folks from MATHEWS. Good friends, great people. Gotta' go now. I'll catch up on them maybe through this medium and yourself. I'd sure love to see them again. Gotta' go pull out old FREDERICK COLLEGE annuals.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 30, 2010 9:17 PM | Report abuse

interesting King, guess i was hoping MS had a clue about these guys and thought they could come in and contribute right away. Most O-linemen are anonymous. I bet most fans couldn't name more than one from each starting o-linemen from all the other 31 teams!

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | March 30, 2010 9:19 PM | Report abuse

DON'T DO IT MIKE!!!!!!

All the great OL prospects will go in the 1st round - there are far better QBs in the draft who will go 2nd round or lower.

As I've said before, Eric Berry would be a better choice than either of the 1st round QBs, if you are dumb enough to choose to ignore the GLARING holes in our OL that are so huge that no QB in history could overcome.

Posted by: fr3dmars | March 30, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse

fr3dmars

why are you protesting against something that you don't have the faintest idea will occur? Don't you think that's a bit odd?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | March 30, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Oldenburg

How Acquired: Selected by the New England Patriots in the fifth round of the 2007 NFL Draft (131st overall).

College: Colorado State

Scouting Report:
Former tight end who’s started the past three years at both guard and tackle. Previous All-Conference selection.

Pos: Good-sized blocker with nice strength at the point of attack. Quickly gets into blocks, stays square and is large enough to engulf opponents. Jolts defenders at the point, moves them off the line or easily knocks them from their angle of attack. Keeps his feet moving throughout the action and effectively uses angles.

Neg: Lacks solid fundamentals, struggles in space and shows limited ability blocking in motion. Does too much leaning on opponents and tends to play tall.

Posted by: lifelongfan | March 30, 2010 9:30 PM | Report abuse

If you all have a chance, listen to Chris Russell's filling in on overtime with Holden on 1067thefandc.com . He's hearing LaGarrett Blount is definitely on the Redskin's radar in the 4th-5th round spot. Also, he mentioned that he heard from a player, the Skins will run a variation of TCU's 4-2-5 defense with the extra DB being an athletic, fast, coverage safeties (Barry?). The safeties in this defense will make a lot of the coverage calls. Interesting stuff.

Also a rumor that is gaining steam is that the Raiders are shopping the #8 in 2010 for a 2nd rounder in 2010 and a 1st rounder in 2011. Any takers?

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Posted by: xicaicoosis | March 30, 2010 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Fanaika from NFL DraftScout.com

A former walk-on, Fanaika has used his unique combination of size, surprising foot quickness and determination to develop into one of the better, more underrated interior linemen in the country. Fanaika has intriguing upside for the next level -- if scouts can find a place for him. Despite starting three years at right guard for the Sun Devils, Fanaika's struggles with leverage could pose problems against shorter, powerful defensive tackles. There are some who believe Fanaika's future lies at right tackle, where his size and arm length could be beneficial, but with questionable lateral quickness and no experience outside, it is a projection likely only worthy of a late-round pick.

Positives: Naturally massive man with even weight distribution. … Powerful upper body. … Jolts the defender with his initial hand punch. … Knee-bender that plays on his feet with surprising balance in pass protection. … Agile enough to get out and lead the sweep. … Three-year starter.

Negatives: Struggles with the leverage battle as a pass-blocker against the bull-rush. … Allows defenders to get into his chest and can be walked back into the pocket, despite his strength and size. … Surprising initial quickness, but only in small areas. … Will struggle to get to the second level and effectively block speedier linebackers. … May lack the lateral quickness to protect the edge if moved outside to right tackle.

Posted by: lifelongfan | March 30, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

I, hope we go oline, lb or db but whomever gets clausen, will have an all pro qb.

Posted by: wheelerd | March 30, 2010 9:44 PM | Report abuse

WOW westjr, went to college with loads of folks from MATHEWS. Good friends, great people. Gotta' go now. I'll catch up on them maybe through this medium and yourself. I'd sure love to see them again. Gotta' go pull out old FREDERICK COLLEGE annuals.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 30, 2010 9:17 PM | Report abuse

I look forward to it.

Posted by: westjr88 | March 30, 2010 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Lichtensteiger's ability to excel at center or offensive guard is leading to comparisons to Jacksonville's Brad Meester. The Bowling Green team captain has a devastating hand punch and placement to consistently sustain his blocks and shows the nimble feet to get out in front consistently, neutralizing second-level defenders in the ground game.

Compares To: BRAD MEESTER-Jacksonville … Like Meester, Lichtensteiger's versatility will make him a valuable asset for a professional team earlier in his pro career. He has worked hard to develop into a very effective trap blocker and has experience at guard, so a move back to that position during his first few years won't be slowed by a lack of experience. He is a tenacious drive blocker who keeps his head on a swivel to locate and land on second-level defenders with consistency. He is a smart player who makes good line calls and adjustments. With his ability to work in unison with his fellow interior blockers, whatever position he lines up at next year, look for him to make a smooth adjustment to NFL life.

Posted by: lifelongfan | March 30, 2010 9:46 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: mack1 | March 30, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

i say shut it down, why waste time what these clowns are going to do because they might get to 5-11 if they play that pansy schedule again. if they get hit in the mouth with indy, dallas, and a couple others on the road early it will be lights out no matter who they draft. they are what they are...Elway is not here and Cambell is Kwame Brown in cleats. i say start by changing the racist name, get bob marley off the logo, get a new color scheme, and ditch that concrete toilet of a stadium and build one that is metro accessible with a retractable roof. then we can get in the winners circle by building this freak show from the ground up.

Posted by: doyouktt | March 30, 2010 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and can you have ACORN send by some hookers?
===============

You'd be better off asking Tom DeLay and Jack Abramoff, seeing as they were actually involved in a scam involving prostitition.

Unlike ACORN
~

Posted by: ifthethunderdontgetya | March 30, 2010 9:04 PM |

You're losing it. ACORN was caught on video tape that was played on prime time tv showing a lady at ACORN approving an undercover for assistance in starting a business. Guess what the business that she was starting was? Not only did she tell the ACORN lady what she was doing, the acorn lady came back and told her that she had done plenty of illegal things as well.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/09/10/acorn.prostitution/

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/brooklyn/item_Js4YPEcsCcxLZhAEehLhmL

This happened not once, but twice. Come on thunder, a simple google search would have told you how wrong you are. And you managed to pull up some leftist rag to dispute the findinds. Guess we have to choose who to believe. But since ACORN was caught twice AND caught attempting numerous other questionable actions, I'll believe the true instead of whatever that site is you posted.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 30, 2010 10:20 PM | Report abuse

beeps, for what its worth

Posted by: hcic55 | March 30, 2010 10:44 PM | Report abuse

peeb...peeb...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | March 30, 2010 10:48 PM | Report abuse

"You want to know how politics works in America? I'll tell you.

'I think the puppet on the left supports my position'

'Well I think the the puppet on the right supports my position'

Hey wait. There's one guy holding both puppets!"

-Bill Hicks

As for Washington, I'd say Okung, but if the Lions take him we should go with Baluga before McCoy or Suh or (barf) Clausen. Extreme Need at LT trumps best available.

Posted by: brianearman | March 30, 2010 10:59 PM | Report abuse

...As for Washington, I'd say Okung, but if the Lions take him we should go with Baluga before McCoy or Suh or (barf) Clausen. Extreme Need at LT trumps best available.

Posted by: brianearman | March 30, 2010 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Exactly. It's beyond belief reading all these boneheads posts plus hundreds of comments -- can so many can be so wrong about something so painfully obvious? Do the Redskins even have one LT on the roster???

Posted by: Pepper5 | March 30, 2010 11:20 PM | Report abuse

Yay!!!

Posted by: dc1020008 | March 31, 2010 12:00 AM | Report abuse

Clauson is a big headache. Another words remember Ryan Leaf? Lot of talent but a jerk and a headcase. Let someone else find that out...not the skins please.

Posted by: cowrabbit88 | March 31, 2010 12:00 AM | Report abuse

If the Redskins use their first draft pick on a QB, we should protest.

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Nope, not from me. If you like the QB, take him. Most good QBs are taken early in the draft. You can get a quality lineman later in the draft. Also, Campbell sucks

Posted by: Redskin_in_miami | March 31, 2010 1:39 AM | Report abuse

Isn't Clausen a pickle? I think there is bad carma here. I say find a LEFT tackle to protect our quarterback ( FILL YOUR NAME IN HERE ). Perhaps find TWO offensive lineman with those first two draft choices. You gotta' fix that line, remember? - M

Posted by: Blueslegend | March 31, 2010 2:10 AM | Report abuse

Trade down, Seattle may jump, and maybe the Bills.....If we pocket more picks then I'll be happy. This is how you play the game.

Posted by: wewbank1 | March 31, 2010 7:10 AM | Report abuse

i don't think i've ever wished for the skins to not draft someone more than Clausen

Posted by: smm4c2000 | March 31, 2010 8:53 AM | Report abuse

Draft Clausen, and immediately trade him for additional picks in this year's draft. The team needs depth, not a prima donna QB.

As for Bradford, avoid him like the plague. He's too fragile - the "hits" that knocked him out last year were nothing. He'll get hit harder in mini camp. He's just not durable enough to be an NFL quarterback, particularly behind a suspect O-line.

Posted by: kemp13 | March 31, 2010 9:00 AM | Report abuse

You don't expect Shanny & Allen to tip their hand, do ya? Just getting ready for any and all scenarios. Very fluid situation. Might draft Okung with No. 4 and get Claussen in 2nd round. Might trade no. 4 pick for extra picks. Looking forward to finding out the answer.

In Shanny I Trust.

Posted by: shanks1 | March 31, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

The guy didn't even have his workout yet and people are already down on Clausen???
Let Shanahan decide he's the best judge to decide if Clausen can be a franchise QB.. You know I would have expected true fans to hope this guy does great!!! We've lived through 5 years of disaster with Campbell I'm praying that Clausen can be that franchise QB we NEED!!!

Posted by: sovine08 | March 31, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Trade down, Seattle may jump, and maybe the Bills.....If we pocket more picks then I'll be happy. This is how you play the game. Posted by: wewbank1
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If the hawks or bills want to jump up to get him ever think it might be because Clausen is pretty damm good??? I notice no one is jumping to get Campbell... Look you trade down if that player you can pick is one you don't need.. but WE NEED a franchise QB!!! Want a trade? Trade Campbell.. get an extra pick for him...

Posted by: sovine08 | March 31, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

At best, it is a 50/50 gamble with Bradford or Clausen. Just ask the Browns (Couch/Quinn), Bengals (Akili Smith), Bears (McNown), Raiders (JaMarcus Russell), Seahawks (Mirer), Chargers (Leaf)oh yeah, and the Redskins (Shuler, Campbell). For every good QB, there is at least 2 losers. I would not risk a top 5 pick on those odds.
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You won't take a QB in the top ten on a 50/50 chance?? I would.. a 50% chance of getting a star QB?? In a heart beat!!! Look Chris Samuels was a star at OT.. but what did that get us??? LT is NOT a difference maker a QB is. You think the Colts, Giants, Chargers, Eagles and more recently Falcons, Ravens, Jets, and Lions are having any second thoughts about drafting a QB in the top 5??? Is there a risk of course but the odds of success is so much greater in the top 5 than anywhere else... and since the QB is the most important position on the field BY FAR!! It's worth the risk.. If Shanahan thinks Clausen can be that guy.. TAKE HIM!!! BTW Campbell was not taken in the top 5.. but your right.. he is a BUST!!!

Posted by: sovine08 | March 31, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Whatever the "experts" think...and they've been wrong too many times to match, Jimmy Clausen is the best QB in the draft, familiar with the pro style and tough as they come and used to the limelight like all ND QB's. I hope the Rams take him and the Redskins can then spend the next year or two teaching Bradford how to play as a pro QB.

Posted by: jrfees | April 2, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

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