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Sources: Snyder, Cerrato Quickly Said 'No' to T.O.

Jason Reid checks in with more on T.O.:

From what we're hearing, Redskins owner Daniel Snyder and Vinny Cerrato, Washington's executive vice president of football operations, quickly decided that signing controversial Pro Bowl wide receiver Terrell Owens simply wasn't worth the risk.

They had already made several major moves in an attempt to bolster the team -- luring Pro Bowl defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth from Tennessee to Washington by making him the game's highest-paid defensive player, re-signing cornerback DeAngelo Hall and bringing back starting left guard Derrick Dockery -- and have only "a little flexibility," Cerrato said earlier this week, to fill the remaining holes on the team and sign rookies. But the salary cap issues involved with pursuing Owens and addressing the team's other needs, league sources said, were only part of what prompted the Redskins to decline to enter the bidding, if there is a market for Owens, before things really got rolling.

Snyder and Cerrato often are criticized for seemingly constructing the Redskins' roster as if they were playing fantasy football, pursuing one high-profile player after another and then moving on to their next high-priced experiment when another fails, but even they realized Owens comes with baggage that they didn't need in their locker room.

No coach will be on a hotter seat next season than Jim Zorn. Not that a head coach in only his second year on the job should be in that position, but that's the way things work out at Redskins Park. The last thing Zorn needs is Owens's act, especially considering he still has to deal with Clinton Portis next season. And then there's quarterback Jason Campbell.

Imagine how much fun he'd having dealing with Owens, who, in his mind anyway, is always open.

Now, things change. Maybe Owens and his agent, Drew Rosenhaus, find that many teams are leery of anything to do with Owens, and Snyder and Cerrato reconsider their position. For now, though, it's all about sanity at the complex. Let's see if that lasts.

By Jon DeNunzio  |  March 5, 2009; 2:53 PM ET
 
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SPRINGS TO SIGN WITH PATS
Posted by Mike Florio on March 5, 2009, 2:50 p.m. EST
Last year, the New England Patriots lost a cornerback to Philadelphia, when Asante Samuel jumped to the Eagles on the first day of free agency.

This year, the Pats have managed a small measure of revenge, winning the two-team derby with the Eagles for the services of veteran corner Shawn Springs.

According to Shalise Manza Young of the Providence Journal, Springs is expected to sign with the Patriots.

Springs was released last Friday by the Redskins.

Posted by: TWISI | March 5, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TWISI | March 5, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

J. Reid becoming more and more like JLC every day with the snarky comments about Snyderatto. Just report or at least come up with some original material!

Posted by: jaldrichl | March 5, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Moron Mosley said Snyder would love to make this deal.

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 5, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Thank goodness. I thought we were on the VICK express next.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 5, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Am I the only person who remembers Moss repeatedly burning Roy Williams for TDs? Why would you even consider replacing Horton with Williams? The dude had a major penalty created in his honor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horse-collar_tackle) and can no longer cover WRs. He'll be lucky to sign another NFL contract...


One of the best front page photos on WAPO ever was Moss holding the ball, roy williams grasping at air in the backround. i think aaron glenn was in the backround on the turf looking up. moss' eyes are huge....


so so awesome

Posted by: drewkinnear | March 5, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

I hope they stand strong with their decision. No TO! EVER!

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 5, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

From PFT:

By the way, it’s probably not a good idea for any NFL team to be talking about Owens at all until he’s officially released. An executive with one team opined to us that ‘Skins executive V.P. of football operations Vinny Cerrato should not have said publicly that the Redskins aren’t interested in Owens. We can only assume that the same exec would believe that McCloughan should not be suggesting possible interest in a guy who technically is still the property of another team.

Posted by: HenryHog | March 5, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

"calling for suicide from those don't agree with you....."

yup, you've got it cl, right as usual. Thats all I ever do....wow.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 5, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Lets get some OLB's guys so we can draft that TEXAS DE #13 and then go to work on the offense. FREEMAN at OHIO STATE in the 3rd. RT in the 5th and a BU center-guard in the 6th.

Posted by: glawrence007 | March 5, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

From PFT:

By the way, it’s probably not a good idea for any NFL team to be talking about Owens at all until he’s officially released. An executive with one team opined to us that ‘Skins executive V.P. of football operations Vinny Cerrato should not have said publicly that the Redskins aren’t interested in Owens. We can only assume that the same exec would believe that McCloughan should not be suggesting possible interest in a guy who technically is still the property of another team.

Posted by: HenryHog | March 5, 2009 3:02 PM

What does that mean? I thought the Giants were the first team to publicly say that they were not going to consider TO?

It's clear to me that Florio has something against the redskins.

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 5, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

love that springs is out of nfc east! enjoy the AFC springs!

Posted by: chrislarry | March 5, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

I guess Cerrato was the first 'GM' to speak on the matter. All of the other 'Anti TO' teams were reported to be Anit TO by a 'source' and not their respected 'GM.'

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 5, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Springs will play well for the 1st 4 games prompting a FO bashing from jLC who will conviently (sic) never mention it again when Springs misses 6-7 games with various leg ailments

Posted by: drewkinnear | March 5, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Don't worry about the hole left by Springs' departure. That's what Tryon is for.

Posted by: rich20ssu | March 5, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

I know that JLC and J Reid take a lot of heat on here, and some of it's probably well deserved. I think they're both far better than Maske, who used to be the Larry Michael of the Post.

I am suprised that so many people on RI get fired up at them for being critical of Dan and Vinny. They're the laughing stock of the national media and JLC and J Reid have to deal with them every day. It's easy to sit at home and defend them without ever going to the park, but if I had to put up with someone treating me poorly every day, I probably wouldn't write nice things about them.

Posted by: Vinnymustgo | March 5, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

@ will_ga re: last thread and laetner/pitino...

if you have HBO check out the doc this month on history of unc/duke rivalry. Its a good view.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 5, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

thought thats what hall was for but ok

Posted by: drewkinnear | March 5, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

What are the odds Clint Sintim falls to us in the 3rd?

Posted by: Rypien11 | March 5, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

This post was the most objectionable post in a long time.........

FACTS!

Until the last 2 paragraphs.

I can think of atleast 10-15 coaches on seats hotter than Zorn's........

(Does that make me a 'hater'?)

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 5, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Vinnie repeatedly stated that they had no interest in Jason Taylor even hours before they completed the deal. If you want to see why JLC dislikes Vinnie so much go back and read that post. I don't think you can trust anything coming from the FO.

Posted by: nomorevinnie | March 5, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Hall replaced Springs...

Posted by: siris | March 5, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

I am sick an tired of all this Portis hating all the guy did was carry the team on his back with very limited blocking an no real passing game. He had every right to complain he got killed

Then there was no other running back and don't give me that Betts BS there was no other back who helped him carry that load.

Posted by: TheBeatDontStop | March 5, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

From PFT:

By the way, it’s probably not a good idea for any NFL team to be talking about Owens at all until he’s officially released. An executive with one team opined to us that ‘Skins executive V.P. of football operations Vinny Cerrato should not have said publicly that the Redskins aren’t interested in Owens. We can only assume that the same exec would believe that McCloughan should not be suggesting possible interest in a guy who technically is still the property of another team.
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Certainly what Cerrato did falls under the "non-tampering" clause in the NFL!! I guess the Skins will be receiving compensatory picks in light of his inaction!!

Posted by: dkidwell61 | March 5, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

"No coach will be on a hotter seat next season than Jim Zorn"

Andy Reid
Wade Phillips
Josh McDaniels, given how he's handled Jay Cutler so far.
Dick Jauron

just off the top of my head....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 5, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

TheBeatDontStop is a Portis homer


In about two years, when Portis is 84 years old in RB years and we have to play him because we can't afford anyone else because we have to pay Old Man Portis' huge contract, you'll be singing a different tune.

Posted by: TheTruth11 | March 5, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

No way JLa and JReid are better than Maske!

Maske is an actual NFL Beat Guy who breaks LEAGUE STORIES. Real ones.

Even Florio gets info from him. Maske was the 1st one to break out the names of the finalist for the NFLPA President position amongst other things he has broken......

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 5, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: chrislarry | March 5, 2009 3:14 PM

CL, thanks for the info. It comes on tonight so I will set the tivo...

Posted by: will_ga | March 5, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

marvin lewis
del rio

Posted by: drewkinnear | March 5, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

"No coach will be on a hotter seat next season than Jim Zorn"

Andy Reid
Wade Phillips
Josh McDaniels, given how he's handled Jay Cutler so far.
Dick Jauron

just off the top of my head....

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 5, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Don't forget Norv! ROFL He makes the list annually

Posted by: filmchis | March 5, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

The Post is really "sad" that TO wasn't wanted by the Skins. That would have keep the presses going for years...

P.S. The Title of this Blog entry is:
"Sources: Snyder, Cerrato Quickly Sad 'No' to T.O."

Posted by: siris | March 5, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

4th, I was going to post something regarding: "No coach will be on a hotter seat next season than Jim Zorn. Not that a head coach in only his second year on the job should be in that position, but that's the way things work out at Redskins Park."

I was a little pissed he'd pop off and say something like that without any facts or "inside sources" to back that up. The last coach to get ax'd after one season was Schottenheimer, and that was what, almost 10 years ago?

"Grant me strength to accpet that I can not change, and help me realize the difference".

It's like these guys are all gimmick. Drama based gimmicks. No one promotes the drama and cooks the beef like La Canfora and now Reid.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 5, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

"In about two years, when Portis is 84 years old in RB years and we have to play him because we can't afford anyone else because we have to pay Old Man Portis' huge contract, you'll be singing a different tune.

Posted by: TheTruth11"

Yea, in 2 years when Griffin, Randle El, Carter, Rabach, and Samuels all come cleanly off the books, and Randy Thomas, Jon Jansen, London Fletcher, and Clinton Portis can all be cut to save cap money, nobody will be singing any different tune, other than "thanks CP, but this was necessary", just as we did to MWash and SPrings.

Wait a minute, why again are we complaining about the league's 4th leading rusher?

Posted by: psps23 | March 5, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

i say we trade portis for a first and second round pic lions come to mind as possible suitors

Posted by: all_this_bs | March 5, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

"No coach will be on a hotter seat next season than Jim Zorn."

This is the second time this has been posted on this blog as fact...yet there is nothing remotely mentioned to back this up.

either back up your arguments or keep them to yourself

Posted by: guinness4health | March 5, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

marvin lewis
del rio

Posted by: drewkinnear | March 5, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Yup, cant forget Marvin "WCRAP in Cincinnati" Lewis and Jack "let's keep an Axe in the locker room" Del Rio....He's definitely on the chopping block!

Posted by: filmchis | March 5, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

@will-G

No problem, let me know what you think of the doc. I usually really enjoy the HBO docs.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 5, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Are there people actually deluding themselves to believe Zorn will NOT be on the hot seat next season? Snyder just spent the entire offseason signing in-their-prime, stud players for $181 million, but somehow you guys think he's going to practice patience with Zorn?

Please. Zorn has one last shot to prove himself in DC.

Posted by: psps23 | March 5, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Wasn't Maske the beat writer for the 'skins? Did he get promoted? Why isn't he anymore?

Posted by: RedDMV | March 5, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Del Rio wont have grilliams to scapegoat this year if it goes to crap

Posted by: drewkinnear | March 5, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Guys, is anyone with me that we need to find somewhere else to get our info (real time) and discuss.

With each "Insider" post I am losing more and more respect for these guys professionally. No credibility here whatsoever.

Where are other places to go?....

Posted by: Skins211 | March 5, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

John Corcoran’s Latest Redskins column is up at NFLDraftdog.com, headlined:

$$ Flow Slows; What Did Danny’s Dollars Buy?


EXCERPT:

“…Pardon my insufferable gloating and fake humility—it’s required for sportswriters--but yours truly had grave doubts about Taylor from the get-go last year. I wrote on this forum, last July 19, when Taylor was acquired:

“After years of disastrous trades and free agent pickups, the 'skin appeared ready to mend their ways. Instead, the front office reverted to type, panicked and traded next year's second round pick and a 2010 sixth rounder for disgruntled Miami Dolphins DE Jason Taylor.

Taylor, an all-pro, might seem like a steal and will improve the pass rush. But he's aging, undersized for the rigors of the NFC East, and will be forced to play out of position…

In retrospect, I was overly optimistic…”

Continued at:

http://www.nfldraftdog.com/NFL%20Team%20Columns/washington_redskins_nfl_team_col.htm

Posted by: TheCork | March 5, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

John Corcoran’s Latest Redskins column is up at NFLDraftdog.com, headlined:

----


Hey if he can get O.J. Simpson off for double murder than he has to know something!

Posted by: filmchis | March 5, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Skins211,

I hear the WaTimes has a great skins blog. I am sure they would love the traffic. They get timely updates free of any opinion, point of view or anything else annoying. I think it would be wonderful if you and others went and helped them out.

How about a bunch of you go try it out and report back. If the waters warm, maybe I'll join you.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 5, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

also any coach of the raiders

jon fox, whose panthers flamed out badly

Posted by: shally | March 5, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

This is the way I see it


We understand that JLC hates the front office, we all know that the FO has been incompetent in recent years

Its the incessant overstating of these facts and JLC's fabrication of non stories to back up his position that has made him an "Outsider"

no way anybody in the FO will give him any type of valuable nugget that would quantify as "Insider Info"

Reid is OK, I honestly think that he is just trying to back up his collegue.

Posted by: drewkinnear | March 5, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Are there people actually deluding themselves to believe Zorn will NOT be on the hot seat next season? Snyder just spent the entire offseason signing in-their-prime, stud players for $181 million, but somehow you guys think he's going to practice patience with Zorn?

Please. Zorn has one last shot to prove himself in DC.

Posted by: psps23 | March 5, 2009 3:32 PM

I know I'm asking for it, but I have to know, do you have any facts that Zorn will be on the hot seat? Has Snyder or Cerrato suggested that if Zorn doesn't win this coming season he'd be fired?

Posted by: RedDMV | March 5, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

If they can get him cheap (like, for the Veteran Minimum) I'd welcome him aboard. He seems to be good for one good season with each team, and he'd probably be a beast against the Cowboys if nothing else. I don't have to hang out with the guy - just need him to catch footballs.

Posted by: DurhamBully | March 5, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Maske either moved on or got promoted like 9/10 years ago to the NFL Beat from the Redskins beat.

I am nont looking to get these dudes fired, but if I have a difference of opinion I would write it. Especially off of speculation from nowhere.....

Florio gets blasted alot in his comments section as well. ou just need a backbone. An internet backbone.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 5, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

BTW
I created a RB rating system for measuring a backs overall numbers and for comparison purposes. This equation took into account a backs Yards, carries, TD and Fumbles and the number of games that the back played in. I based it off a theory what a "perfect season" would end up being numbers wise. In this Portis' career rating is 97.68 compare that to Riggo who was 72.83.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 5, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

The Duke/Carolina documentary on HBO is very good. Also peeped the TV movie "Taking Chance" - thought it was good too.

HBO is the sh*t, period. Sopranos, The Wire, Entourage, Oz, Curb Your Enthusiasm, The Life & Times of Tim... I know there are more... yep, Def Comedy Jam back in the day!

Posted by: RedDMV | March 5, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

"I know I'm asking for it, but I have to know, do you have any facts that Zorn will be on the hot seat? Has Snyder or Cerrato suggested that if Zorn doesn't win this coming season he'd be fired?

Posted by: RedDMV"

Do I have facts? No. Just a gut feeling based on the history of Snyder, the demeanor of Snyder, the collapse of last season, rumors during the season that the "honeymoon with Zorn has ended", and the flow of this offseason (which is basically "win now").

Now I ask you, do you have any facts that those other coaches would be on a "hotter" seat than Jim Zorn?

Posted by: psps23 | March 5, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

alex, at least that rating system is easier to fgure out than the QBs.

Are you just f'n with the board, or did you really come up with a system? How?

Posted by: RedDMV | March 5, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

I think Boy Wonder and Vinny should think about picking Roy Williams up...he is still relative young in NFL years. He can still play the run, he can handle TE on the short passes and we can use Landry to patrol the open field.

I do not think we hurt Horton's growth at all by bringing Roy Williams here. I say do it.

Posted by: Redds1 | March 5, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

If they can get him cheap......

screw TO. Forget about him. Let him play somewhere else. I'd rather D. Thomas/M.Kelly and Fred Davis have the same production in 09 as they did in 08 than have TO on the team.

Seriously. You've got Tory Holt (32) on the market and yet some of us think that TO is worthy of the Burgundy & Gold?

Don't forget who TO is - 36 yrs old, ex- Cowboy, ex-Eagle, DumbA$$, Drops Passes and is Greedy when it comes to the team & the football.

Why support TO and say things like, 'if he's on the cheap, we should get him.'?

Posted by: matthewvickers | March 5, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

An update from JR:

Most of the negatively in the article appears to be coming from embellishments by the Sports editor: Jon DeNunzio

The Skins have plenty of money to pursue additional free agents and sign draft picks (e.g. 8.5 million from releasing Jason Taylor). Ceratto was stating the obvious -- that the Skins probably would not be signing any more expensive player contracts given all the holes they have yet to fill.

In addition, Snyder and Ceratto have both gone the record specifically contradicting the Post's repeated assertions that Zorn will be fired next year. Not to say poor performance wouldn't warrant a firing... As a rookie head coach -- I believe Zorn did a decent job -- given the injuries and lack of quality depth. He deserves a couple of years to establish himself and fully implement the hybrid Smashmouth/West Coast offense...

Posted by: siris | March 5, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

I agree red,

the one thing we do wrong is hold onto somebody too long, in coaches and players.

There is a glimmer of hope that our FO may be trying to do things different.

Do you think synder came on the blog to see what 'we' thought?

Doesnt he have spies on here.

Posted by: Zeebs | March 5, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Roy Williams? No thanks...

Posted by: chrislarry | March 5, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

4th, I was going to post something regarding: "No coach will be on a hotter seat next season than Jim Zorn. Not that a head coach in only his second year on the job should be in that position, but that's the way things work out at Redskins Park."

I was a little pissed he'd pop off and say something like that without any facts or "inside sources" to back that up. The last coach to get ax'd after one season was Schottenheimer, and that was what, almost 10 years ago?

"Grant me strength to accpet that I can not change, and help me realize the difference".

It's like these guys are all gimmick. Drama based gimmicks. No one promotes the drama and cooks the beef like La Canfora and now Reid.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 5, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Its sad, but funny....people on this blog are so enamored with bashing La Canfora/Reid and their "sources" to the point that it really sounds like they are defending Danny and Vinny.

Posted by: RHPa | March 5, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

This is the way I see it


We understand that JLC hates the front office, we all know that the FO has been incompetent in recent years

Its the incessant overstating of these facts and JLC's fabrication of non stories to back up his position that has made him an "Outsider"

no way anybody in the FO will give him any type of valuable nugget that would quantify as "Insider Info"

Reid is OK, I honestly think that he is just trying to back up his collegue.

Posted by: drewkinnear | March 5, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse


----

The way I see it-

JReid is like one of your cool friend...fun to hang with, grab a beer, watch a game, Poker night, Golf, whatever.

Then he starts dating this girl(JLC) and he slowly starts to change and everything the girl(JLC) starts bizitchin' about, He starts bizitchin' about it.

THen the next thing ya know its. Beer is bad, lets watch "The Biggest Loser", Gambling is bad and Golf takes too long.

Until finally, you like, Dude, I can't hang out with you anymore, call me when girlfriend gives your fargin'nuts back!!


Posted by: filmchis | March 5, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

"Just a gut feeling based on the history of Snyder, the demeanor of Snyder, the collapse of last season, rumors during the season that the "honeymoon with Zorn has ended", and the flow of this offseason (which is basically "win now")."

I forgot to add that there may potentially be 4 Super Bowl winning coaches on the market next season (possibly even a 5th if the love of the game kicks back in) in Cowher, Shanahan, Holmgren, Gruden, and possibly Dungy.

That's a lot of firepower for Danny to pass up in favor of patience for Zorn, should Zorn be inadequate.

Posted by: psps23 | March 5, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

I was into the meta discussion on the previous thread (or the part that was the thoughtful part, not the denial part). Anyway, back to hamsters and our attention span ... how did Florio come to rip off the RI hamster mascot to run his interweb? Without so much as a mention here? Its almost like peeps up here have the attention span of a hamster ... did you hear that Roy Williams made the PRO-BOWL??

Posted by: dcsween | March 5, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

dungy aint coaching again... i dont really think we are saying win now, our pickups are young.

if we brought in TO then yes, I could see that being the case.

Posted by: Zeebs | March 5, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

If Zorn is fired after next season this organization is a joke. Give the guy a legitimate chance. We gave Norv(the worst coach in football) plenty of time and Zorn is much better than him.

Posted by: Redskins001 | March 5, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

And i also dont think you hire a young coach to win now... unless he is a place holder...

Posted by: Zeebs | March 5, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

"We gave Norv(the worst coach in football) plenty of time"

That's not a good argument for why you would want to give an unproven coach a long leash. Talk about the ultimate example of why Snyder would want to practice anti-patience.

Posted by: psps23 | March 5, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Zorn being on the hot seat is ludicrous. The team collapsed down the stretch because the D couldn't get off the field, and the Offense couldnt do anything downfield or open holes for CP. Both issues have been addressed, and it doesn't look like its done yet. Offense is going to much better this eyar simply by plugging in Dockery and Willis/Heyer on opening day.

Dockery did, and Willis and or Brown will further upgrade the roster. The days of turning to Fabini, Wade and Geisinger after an injury are over as are the inability to stuff the run and get some push in the center of the pocket.

Redskin's FO is making an OBVIOUS push to get younger and BETTER. Isn't this what we fans thought should and hoped would happen?

National pundits will keep bashing Snyder and Cerrato because it easy. Are these same national pundits bashing Jones for bringing in TO even though he did the same act in his previous two stops? And how many picked the Redskins to finish 6-10 at best last year? Redskins were unlucky last year DE. Caca happens, and it happened to Redskins and then the stop gap JT last year.

The more is see things develop, the more I think Redskins will target LB at 13. So, Cushing or Mauluga(sp?)? I also think they can get one of these guys AND a 2nd tier OT if they can trade down. I think they actually want to trade down.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | March 5, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

"Do I have facts? No. Just a gut feeling based on the history of Snyder, the demeanor of Snyder, the collapse of last season, rumors during the season that the "honeymoon with Zorn has ended", and the flow of this offseason (which is basically "win now").

Now I ask you, do you have any facts that those other coaches would be on a "hotter" seat than Jim Zorn?

Posted by: psps23 | March 5, 2009 3:48 PM

I don't think you should assume Zorn is on the "hot seat" based on Snyder's history in dealing with the team. You can't skew gut feelings into facts, it just doesn't work that way - especially as a so-called journalist (La Canfora & Reid).

If I based things off history... well lets just say that I'd try my hardest to make every person of not of African decent life a living hell.

History is just that, history. People can change their way of thinking and carrying things? Why can't Daniel Snyder and Vinny Cerrato?

I'm not a Snyder apologists, but I'm not a Snyder cynic neither. And like you, I don't have facts either to back up there are other coaches more in danger of losing their jobs than Zorn.

So where does that put us? Two people with intuitive gut feelings - better stated - not in the "know".

Posted by: RedDMV | March 5, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

"And i also dont think you hire a young coach to win now... unless he is a place holder..."

Or if Snyder thinks he can outsmart the rest of the league. It's been the fad lately. By the way, Zorn isn't young, just inexperienced.

Posted by: psps23 | March 5, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

I know I'm asking for it, but I have to know, do you have any facts that Zorn will be on the hot seat? Has Snyder or Cerrato suggested that if Zorn doesn't win this coming season he'd be fired?

Posted by: RedDMV | March 5, 2009 3:39 PM

I second this. It should be a blog registration requirement that you can't post anything unless you have FACTS. THIS BOARD DEMANDS FACTS. And to substantiate your facts, you have to "link to it" (or "shut the F up!). Links mean it is a FACT.
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[I don't mean to pick on RedDMV in particular, because by this was by no means the only time some rolls out the DEMAND FOR FACTS line (often accompanied by a DEMAND FOR A LINK) ... but, as Red notes in the introductory clause, he did say he was asking for it. Still love ya, Red.]

Seriously, I'm down with opinions, speculation, postulation, hypotheticals, lies, but please, let's try to keep facts out of this (except for actual facts). Thanks. [In anticipation of your responses, I will oblige now and go F myself.]

Posted by: dcsween | March 5, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

I'm not a Snyder apologist, but I'm not a Snyder cynic neither.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 5, 2009 4:05 PM

Truth in advertising ... I am (probably) a cynic regarding The Owner and the Executive Vice President of Football Operations. But maybe you guessed that.

Posted by: dcsween | March 5, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

http://www.thehogs.net/content/index.php?id=1178

More evidence of JLC and the POST's complete Bias and Ignorance on everything Redskins and football related!

Posted by: filmchis | March 5, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

"Zorn being on the hot seat is ludicrous. The team collapsed down the stretch because the D couldn't get off the field, and the Offense couldnt do anything downfield or open holes for CP."

Again, that last statement isn't a good argument for practicing patience with Zorn considering this is his offense, and an offense that contains 3 current pro-bowlers and another former pro-bowler playing at a high level.

Posted by: psps23 | March 5, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Man, Pro Football Talk burned the Eagles.

Eagles had a poll asking "Should the Eagles pursue T.O.?" on their website. Voting was 2-1 against.

PFT posted "everyone should go vote yes." Suddenly, about 20,000 "yes" votes came in and it was 78% in favor the Eagles going after T.O.

Eagles took the poll down and put up a new one: "What should the Eagles do with 12 draft picks?"

Burn, Eagles. Feel the heat.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 5, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

"Again, that last statement isn't a good argument for practicing patience with Zorn considering this is his offense, and an offense that contains 3 current pro-bowlers and another former pro-bowler playing at a high level."

My mistake. Make that 4 pro-bowlers, and another former pro-bowler playing at a high level (Portis, Cooley, Samuels, Sellers, Moss).

Posted by: psps23 | March 5, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

alex, at least that rating system is easier to fgure out than the QBs.

Are you just f'n with the board, or did you really come up with a system? How?

Posted by: RedDMV | March 5, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Board and using Excel for it. I am actually tweaking it again now because I realized I was giving to much strength to Carries and not enough to yards per carry.

Posted by: alex35332 | March 5, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Vinnymustgo

WE understand that our FO sucks-they have no plan or vision. All Skins fans know this but do I have to hear about it in every post or article about our team? And I mean every article. We let an overpaid, injured DE go and got about 100 negative articles about it. We released a backup DB and the world came to an end. Maybe they should take some of that energy and come up with some real insider news instead of just reading it off the wire and passing it on.

Posted by: jandlml | March 5, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

"So where does that put us? Two people with intuitive gut feelings - better stated - not in the "know".

Posted by: RedDMV"

This is true, but as they say (in metaphorical terms) "That's why they play the games" ("they" meaning us, "play" meaning opinions, "games" meaning arguments).

Posted by: psps23 | March 5, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

yes psps, not young.. but point that he never had a coordinator position etc... so he demands less money so if someone else comes along, he can get rid of him easily.

I guess I am a sucker and believe him when they say they are building for the future.

truely, nothing they have done negates this thought, depsite the free wheeling spending.

Getting rid of old, oft-injured vets or those who dont 'fit' or espouse the team concept (see JT)

the one thing they are going against is building though the draft, which vinny explained as we still need FA's and cant build a whole team through the draft.

(yeah, especially when you miss on 9 of 10 picks last year and get a bit trigger happy giving away this years for JT et all._

Posted by: Zeebs | March 5, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

I do not think we hurt Horton's growth at all by bringing Roy Williams here. I say do it.

Posted by: Redds1 | March 5, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse
This has nothing to do with Horton. Roy Williams sucks at coverage. The only attraction is that he can lay the lumber. But we don't have any need for him.

Posted by: frediefritz | March 5, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Its sad, but funny....people on this blog are so enamored with bashing La Canfora/Reid and their "sources" to the point that it really sounds like they are defending Danny and Vinny.

Posted by: RHPa | March 5, 2009 3:56 PM

I don't know if you're thinking that I was trying to defend Snyder and Cerrato, but I wasn't.

You're in total denial if you think that La Canfora and Reid don't take unnecessary cheap shots at the 'skins front office.

It's not about defending the front office, or going against it. I personally don't care what any writer at the Post has to say about the Washington Redskins or any of it's players. I don't consider none of the beat writers, columnists, or editors to be "experts" in football, so why would I value their analysis?

I've already been hypocritical regarding this nonsense anyway - I'm not speaking on it anymore. I'd rather talk about how the departure of Springs and Taylor will cripple the defense the coming season.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 5, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

AN OPEN LETTER TO SNERATTO'S PEOPLE THAT TROLL THIS BLOG:

Dear Dan,

If The Redskins sign Terrell Owens to this team at any price under any circumstances, I will boycott all aspects of the Redskins. I will not watch or attend games, nor while I listen to any Red Zebra broadcast. I will not purchase any Redskins-related merchandise. I'm glad the you quickly said "no". If you change your mind and say "yes", you would have totally alienated this fan.

Posted by: p1funk | March 5, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Whats wrong with you people?

Snyder/Cerrato make 1 moronic decision after another and you guys are defending them... you could count the good decisions theyve made on the toes of a clubbed foot.

...NO of course we don't want TO (Holt on the other hand is a potential upgrade over ARE and Thrash).

...and YES anyone who's not an idiot realizes that Zorn is big time on the hotseat next year. There is 100% chance he's getting fired if he doesnt win at least 6 games - probably also 50-50 if they go 8-8 again..... also he's put a LOT of his eggs in J. Campbells basket and that could go bad on him fast.

Posted by: mac2j | March 5, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

i voted in that eagles/TO poll...good times...

Posted by: chrislarry | March 5, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

fried, exactly, we have ron ron, he can lay it better, but he is stuck in coverage.

If you bring in anyone, it needs to be a fast FS that wont get burned by TE's when they line up close in coverage... see horton. my only knock on him. He has a bright future. Time to start rotating him and landry near the line, confuse the O...

Posted by: Zeebs | March 5, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Why would we want Roy Williams? He sucked before he got old and injury-plagued?

Why would we want ANYONE from this crapped-out Cowboys team that has done nothing but underacheive, disappoint and choke in the clutch?

I'm glad we didn't give Canty $8mill/year, and I hope we don't sniff around any of their other cast-offs.

Posted by: p1funk | March 5, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

RedDMV-
"I'd rather talk about how the departure of Springs and Taylor will cripple the defense the coming season."

I'd rather talk about you crippling deez nutz one time. Tell your momma I'll be over after "The Office" tonight.

Posted by: richard_cranium | March 5, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

"truely, nothing they have done negates this thought, depsite the free wheeling spending."

Maybe not explicitly, but when you sign a soon-to-be 28 year old, in his prime player to a record-breaking contract, I don't think you're doing it envisioning what the team will look like 2-3 years down the road. Especially when you look specifically at the Redskins roster and notice that a large chunk of the key starters will be gone by that time.

Posted by: psps23 | March 5, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

True indeed ps, if you aren't augmentative, then RI isn't the place for you.

sween, do you have any facts there are folks wishing that you'd go "F yourself"?

Can you provide a link to this?

No?

You know what you can do then...

Posted by: RedDMV | March 5, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather have Adam Archuleta than Roy Williams!! ROFLMAO!

Posted by: filmchis | March 5, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Leigh Torrance cripples JLC's nutz

Posted by: drewkinnear | March 5, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

can we please refrain from the "ROFLMAO" sounds so unbelievably lame....

Posted by: chrislarry | March 5, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

can we please refrain from the "ROFLMAO" sounds so unbelievably lame....

Posted by: chrislarry | March 5, 2009 4:33 PM

What is an acceptable substitute, please?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 5, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

TE, please like you care....but how about just articulating your emotion...with you know...words!

Posted by: chrislarry | March 5, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Opne Note To Mr. Reid:

"...Sources: Snyder, Cerrato Quickly Said 'No' to T.O..."

You might not be aware of this, but only the hacks and slurpa-listic crew on ESPN care about what happens with T.O.

Maybe he'll wind up with his homie B.O. and stink up the joint somewhere else.

T.O. should read the RANDY MOSS GUIDE TO BEING A PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL PLAYER and learn that when you're making money and have a dumb owner who gives you the world, it's a known world, which means you humble-up, stay out of view, and burn cornerbacks 16 Sundays in a row during the Fall.

Mr. Reid, we bloggas only want to know two things:

1. What's up with the Elton "John" Brown visit?

2. What's the inside baseball on the Willis visit?

Beyond that, Mr. Owens is a member of the same rectum-like, brownstained universe Manny Ramirez once inhabited. Only that with T.O., up in that crappy world is the only place he belongs.

'Cuz nobody in this blog is innerested in anything to do with him.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 5, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

What up, Dick?

Too bad you're Johnny Come Late, guy. I would've taken a personal interest in frying your stupid ass for about 30 minutes or so, fortunately for you, I have to go home now, jackass.

Tell your wife to have my ham hocks juicy and tender - amongst other things...

I have no doubt that you're that low-life POS from S.C. - you only post when he doesn't, and you throw these lame ass insults out from left field, just like that bag of turds.

Mama jokes/insults, Dick? You dissapoint me, you dipsh!t...

My advice to you and your alter-ego known as TheTruth11 is to get a damn life already, and stop tuggin' on my pants leg asking to ride my shaft.

I know that your name is Richard, which means that people call you Dick for short. What I didn't know is that it implies that you were a pole smoking d-bag.

Posted by: RedDMV | March 5, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

T.O. spitting in D Hall's face along with D. Hall getting a new contract pretty much gurantees that we won't be signing T.O. It's not like the Ken Lucas/Steve Smith situation where they were both on the same team or the Davis/Westbrook situation for that matter. Even Vinny know's that signing Owens would be a mistake, in fact I wouldn't be surprised if Hall stopped by the front office to remind them of the type of person T.O. is.

Posted by: Dirtbag359 | March 5, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

TE, please like you care....but how about just articulating your emotion...with you know...words!

Posted by: chrislarry | March 5, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather have Adam Archuleta than Roy Williams!! (Roll on floor laughing my Arse off!!)

Will that make Senor "Donkeys & Cabbage" happy?

Posted by: filmchis | March 5, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

You know the real reason the Post and ESPN write negative things about the Skins and their front office?
The team hasn't done siht in 10 f-ing years!

They play in the biggest stadium, make tons of money, have a huge payroll and have won like what, 1 playoff game since Danny took over?

You want objective reporting? Here you go: Our team hasn't been very good, is not very good and shows no signs of being very good in the near future. Sorry.

Posted by: mack1 | March 5, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Chris Cooley's take ("JT Hates Money") on Jason Taylor's decision to walk away from the team.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 5, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Anybody notice Tampa Bay did the division a favor and sneak Derrick Ward away from the Coughlin Gang?

I wonder how the jints running game will work without Jacobs having a speed/shifty guy to spell him during the second/third quarters.

Too, with no Plax "Gunslinger" Burress for a while, Jacobs will face 8-in-the-box and find the yards tough to get as no one with sense fears Eli's arm without Plax at the other end of his passes.

Maybe the 2009 season is yet another fight between the skins and iggles for the title?

I think, and hope, so: we rocked them twice this past year, even with all our warts on offense.

Posted by: MistaMoe | March 5, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

I see some posts where the Redskins should take Orakpo at #13.

Get over it, there is no way he is still going to be available at #13.

The best option is to take a stud LB.

Posted by: gallrick | March 5, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Why is today's main topic:

JLa and JReid, To Hate or Not to Hate, That is the question.

I'd rather talk actual skins news than to keep harboring on good/bad/ugly speculation at this point. Especially about T.O.

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 5, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

moe, good catch, giants running game def took a hit with his departure.

Looks like Dallas lost a bunch, Philly lost some guys, NY lost Ward.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 5, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

see some posts where the Redskins should take Orakpo at #13.

Get over it, there is no way he is still going to be available at #13.

The best option is to take a stud LB.

Posted by: gallrick | March 5, 2009 4:50 PM

Only if we're going to start letting our D start playing both sides of the ball. It makes zero sense to keep shoring up the #4 ranked defense while ignoring an offense that scored less points than the Detroit Lions last year. If Orakpo's not there, Andre Smith probably will be. Better get him.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 5, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

"I'd rather have Adam Archuleta than Roy Williams!! (Roll on floor laughing my Arse off!!)

Will that make Senor "Donkeys & Cabbage" happy?

Posted by: filmchis | March 5, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse"

Ah thanks for the final example of why you are a complete dueche nozzle.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 5, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

agreed on A. Smith.

Someone, amount JSmith, ASmith, Oher, and the other guy is gonna fall. I'd venture to guess that not all of the teams picking ahead of us need a T.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 5, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

but calling people dueche nozzle, those who don't agree with you.....

its so endearing...

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 5, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

TE, please like you care....but how about just articulating your emotion...with you know...words!

Posted by: chrislarry | March 5, 2009 4:40 PM |

That seems so 20th Century, and Ive been trying so hard to become a, you know, 21st Century guy.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | March 5, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

I am assuming that the Redskins will address the tackle position in free agency. In that scenario I would recommend taking the best LB available.

Posted by: gallrick | March 5, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

cute greg...you've been just waiting for that one huh? I was responding in kind to an oldy but goodie insult.

But whateves my insult ratio is still like 10:1 to your. Me being the 1.

You really have become a parody of yourself.

Posted by: chrislarry | March 5, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

moe, good catch, giants running game def took a hit with his departure.

Posted by: BeantownGreg | March 5, 2009

Perhaps, but Moreno could be there at 29 or Beanie Wells. They might wind up doing better than Ward did. The draft is a crapshoot but thats what makes it so interesting!


Posted by: will_ga | March 5, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

the eagles have a 21 and 28 picks in the 1st round so how about tying to trade our 13 for one of those and there 2nd roundwhich is a 53rd pick and draft brian cushing olb from usc withy the 1st rounder and eben britton OT from arizona with the 2nd rounder dont know how that works out on the charts as far as the picks trade but looks like both guys would be available at those picks what do you guys think?

Posted by: all_this_bs | March 5, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

We won't draft A Smith because:

a) HE IS NOT A RIGHT TACKLE (when will youse people get this in your heads??!?!?)

b) He will have been drafted already.

c) We already have a starting right tackle named Heyer on the roster for Pete's Sake! (who is Pete anyway?)

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 5, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

would fill 2 wholes with 1 move and filll them with great talent!! i suspect

Posted by: all_this_bs | March 5, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

"moe, good catch, giants running game def took a hit with his departure."

No disrespect to Mo, but good catch...this news has been all over the place for like 48 hours....

Posted by: chrislarry | March 5, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

4th,

Looks like its referencing St. Peter

http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/4/messages/1029.html

Posted by: chrislarry | March 5, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

yes but who is gonna replace samuels next year or when he gets hurt again this year??
we still need a tackle in the draft to prepare for samuels demise he is just about washed up p.s i love heyer think he is one helluva tackle

Posted by: all_this_bs | March 5, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Heyer is no more than an adequate back-up. He is good for a little stretch...No more than average.

Posted by: gallrick | March 5, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

That is a death wish.

Becoming a parody of yourself.

Others that have been put to death via parody of one's self:

Madden
Dicky V
Emmit
Kramer

Keep the list going.

I'm out!

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 5, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

I kind of hope the Skins don't address the tackle position in FA. We've gotten some servicable linemen that way, but they're almost always over 30. Kendall does a real good job, but he's 35 with bad knees. When he came to the Skins, he was 33 with bad knees. Our O-line is set up for failure, most of the starters should be backups at this stage in their careers.

The O-line needs to get a lot younger, and the draft is the best way to do that.

Posted by: Alan4 | March 5, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

We won't draft A Smith because:

a) HE IS NOT A RIGHT TACKLE (when will youse people get this in your heads??!?!?)

b) He will have been drafted already.

c) We already have a starting right tackle named Heyer on the roster for Pete's Sake! (who is Pete anyway?)

Posted by: 4thFloor | March 5, 2009 5:09 PM


That boy's good.

- Sweets in Coming to America

Posted by: learnedhand1 | March 5, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Alan the biggest holes on the team are currently SLB, LDE, backup OL, and P (even though they signed another chump today). The OL was significantly improved with the addition of Dockery. Heyer and Jansen should be able to hold down the RT fort for another year, but the Skins have NO ONE to play SLB and only backups at LDE. Finding starting defensive players is the most urgent position of need...

Posted by: siris | March 5, 2009 5:29 PM | Report abuse

I like where we are at. Sleep till the draft and hope for a backer that can cover and rush the passer. Go back to sleep till training camp.

And yes, we do not want TO. I could see him driving Jason nuts. Just believe the rookies from last year are ready to show their stuff. We have no choice, we must believe in them.

Posted by: skins50 | March 5, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

It worries me about Cerratos decision making skills that he wouldnt even CONSIDER Terrell Owens.

We need red zone offense.

Portis could hit the LT WALL this year.

TO MUST BE CONSIDERED.

Posted by: PFedders | March 5, 2009 5:48 PM | Report abuse

I am suprised that so many people on RI get fired up at them for being critical of Dan and Vinny. They're the laughing stock of the national media and JLC and J Reid have to deal with them every day. It's easy to sit at home and defend them without ever going to the park, but if I had to put up with someone treating me poorly every day, I probably wouldn't write nice things about them.

Posted by: Vinnymustgo | March 5, 2009 3:14 PM

So to gain admittance to the Park do they have to submit to strip searches and scanners like they was at an airport and on some do-not-fly list? And once inside the Park are they constantly tailed by PR details who monitor everything they do? That could turn one into a Dan&Vinny-phobe. It's not like I have shed any tears for them or anything, but I do think that they have suffered for the sins of the Wises, the Carpenters, the Wibons, the Feinsteins et al.

PS. I think a word substition would remove some cognitive dissonance from your post - see brackets below.

"It's easy to sit at home and defend [vilify] them without ever going to the park ..."

Posted by: AntonChigurh | March 5, 2009 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Any word on the workouts/interviews/dinner meetings reportedly taking place today in Ashburn with Elton Brown and the tackle from Seattle? Can't remember his name right now....Something Willis?

Posted by: daniel_estepp | March 5, 2009 7:59 PM | Report abuse

see some posts where the Redskins should take Orakpo at #13.

Get over it, there is no way he is still going to be available at #13.

The best option is to take a stud LB.

Posted by: gallrick |

We do need linebackers, but our number one need right now is a good RT. We basically played last year without M. Washington anyway, and our D contributed tons more than the O. We have a much better chance getting a good OLB in the third than a franchise RT. Actually, I agree with those who want to trade down if all of the top 4 OT's are gone at pick 13. There will be plenty of top RT material left at the end of round 1, and that will leave us with either a 3rd and 2nd or two 3rds to address linebacker and maybe another OL, or a change of pace RB, or possibly even a DE.
And, by the way, to the guy who thinks any team would give up a first and second rounder for CP, this is reality, not "only in your dreams" land.

Posted by: kenboy1 | March 5, 2009 8:14 PM | Report abuse

YOU GUYS HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU KNOW DANG ON WELL WE NEED TO... WHO ARE YOU GUYS FOOLING... WE ARE LIKE DRUG ADDICTS CLAIMING THAT WE ARE NOT SICK.... WHERE ELSE ARE YOU GOING TO GET A PREMIER POSESSION RECEIVER WITH SOMETHING TO PROVE? IN THE DRAFT? GET THE *&*(&(* OUT OF HERE!!!!!!!!

Posted by: ak201 | March 5, 2009 10:05 PM | Report abuse

I hope the Skins do sign TO (to a one year deal). We're not going to win the Super Bowl next year anyway and at least JC would have a chance to show what he's got (we can't rely on Devin Thomas stepping up).

Posted by: Salinas1 | March 5, 2009 11:06 PM | Report abuse

NE is slowly starting to count on veteran free agency for more and more depth/talent each season. It will be interesting to see what happens now that Pioli has departed.

The once deep NE drafts don't appear as deep or productive as they once were.

So far this year they have signed Fred Taylor (33) and Shawn Springs (34) to go with the 31 year old Adalius Thomas whom they signed last year.

Yes, this team was 11-5 in 2008 but I see NE slowly declining from the 14-2 class juggernaut they have been in the recent past.

Posted by: leopard09 | March 6, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

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