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Brandon Banks impresses again, but did he fumble away shot?

The Redskins took another extended look at rookie wide receiver/returner Brandon Banks in the first half of Friday's 16-11 victory over the New York Jets.

Banks had a 77-yard touchdown on a punt return in the preseason opener against the Buffalo Bills and has impressed on offense throughout practice. But on one of his returns Friday in the second quarter, Banks fumbled the ball, and the Jets recovered.

Afterward, special teams coordinator Danny Smith had a long talk with Banks on the sideline.

"I was just trying to make a cut. I was gonna get north and get up the field," Banks said. "The defender made a good play and grabbed me by my arm.

"I should have had it tighter. It was a mistake. He [Smith] just told me, 'You can't play in this league fumbling the ball.' I know that. I just made a mistake. It won't happen again."

By Jason Reid  |  August 30, 2010; 9:40 AM ET
Categories:  Special teams  
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Yup, he'll never fumble again, I'm sure.

Posted by: Rypien11 | August 30, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Give the kid a break! This kids been working hard and he has one fumble and he is being considered as a cut? This kid has great potential and fumbles happen, thats what those defensive players are paid for anyway.

Posted by: duncanrobee | August 30, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

repost:

Yeah TWISI you dunno... seriously your judging it on what the players say. No siht they are going to spin it in their favor. That proves squadoosh. C'mon guy you got better stuff than that. I mean is the tooth fairy going to save your underwater mortgage too?

And where pray tell is this "talent"

And Lisa, wow is she good for a spit take coffee laugh. Defends the previous regime like they were her daddy but blathers on about Shanallen like they won the jobs on American Idol.....hysterical.

Lisa ever consider Shanahan floats the will he /wont he stuff on Mcnabb to keep Cowboys guessing....yeah I know, no NFL coaches ever play a guessing game when it comes to injuries to top talent...

I mean can we accept that the new regime MIGHT have a clue about professional football. Memba all the Shanahan is ruining AH, he should be nicer horsecrappe...last time I check AH can't wait to get on board....

I am such a knucklhead fan that while I knew people like zorn/vinny were laughing stocks I'd con myself into "maybe this year" so call me nutty if I am willing to, I don't know, give double SB HC maybe a few games?!

And F the second rounder pass catchers, save Fred Davis. If either 11/12 had done 1/4th of the convincing that Davis has done that maybe it wasn't a complete bonehead pick I'd be willing to keep waiting on the "talent"

Posted by: chrislarry | August 30, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: chrislarry | August 30, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

thats what those defensive players are paid for anyway.

Posted by: duncanrobee | August 30, 2010 9:48 AM

And we pay the returners not to fumble. One guy did his job, the other didn't. Banks isn't going to make the team.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 30, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse


chrislarry I dunno. MK all but said he's on the team if healthy.

Posted by: TWISI | August 30, 2010 9:36 AM |

Uhh, I don't think that decision is Kelly's. Furthermore, what has he done this preseason to earn a spot on the roster ? He certainly hasn't been healthy.

Posted by: hessone | August 30, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Nobody pay attention to the McNabb stories.

Shanahan is just playing mind games with Dallas(IMO).

McNabb will start week 1.

Posted by: iH8dallas | August 30, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

thats what those defensive players are paid for anyway.

Posted by: duncanrobee | August 30, 2010 9:48 AM

And we pay the returners not to fumble. One guy did his job, the other didn't. Banks isn't going to make the team.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 30, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

How many return TDs have we had this preseason?

Posted by: Stu27 | August 30, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Shanny does'nt like people who appear to be 'Thugs'...

...And for some reason we don't know of, DT11 has fallen into the 'Thuggery' categorey in Shanny's head, and thinks the team can do good/bad with or without him.....MAybe it's the tatoos...who knows...

But MK12 has appeared humbled and has shown enough flashes in him to think 'Rod Smith'....And since he is in Shanny's good hairs, he's giving him every chance to make the team, because he thinks the team can be much better with him...

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 30, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

duncanrobee one fumble, one muff in six punt returns. Ball security has to be considered. That said, I'm cheering for him. However it will not be unreasonable if the go with Austin, who hasn't put the ball on the ground like Banks.

Posted by: TWISI | August 30, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse


In other news, Shar Pourdanesh is also available.

Posted by: WorstSeat | August 30, 2010 9:53 AM |

How many times are you going to use that line ?
Talk about stale.

Posted by: hessone | August 30, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

How many return TDs have we had this preseason?

Posted by: Stu27 | August 30, 2010 9:57 AM

Not enough to make up for the fumble.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 30, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Banks has the one thing you can't coach. You can train a guy not to drop the ball (Byner, Portis)... but you can't train a guy to run like the wind.

Return man, last receiver. That's my guess.

Posted by: DikShuttle | August 30, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

CL, hessone you might be right, but I think on this team a case can be made for both DT and MK to not only make the 53 but be actively featured in the passing game.

Posted by: TWISI | August 30, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

hess, I guess if you don't suggest that we bring in Lavy Coles, then he wont use that line.....

On that note, I think the media is WAY, WAY over-rating the jets this year....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 30, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Peter King(who I don't like) says he can't see McNabb not playing against Dallas.

Posted by: iH8dallas | August 30, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

How many return TDs have we had this preseason?

Posted by: Stu27 | August 30, 2010 9:57 AM

Not enough to make up for the fumble.

Posted by: beep-beep | August 30, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Banks has one TD and one Fumble. After that he has more yds receiving and more yards P-returning then Austin.
Not sure why you would cut the the player with better production. Im hoping they both make the team.

F a bunch of Coles noise, and Bryant for that matter...

Posted by: Stu27 | August 30, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

one fumble, one muff in six punt returns. Ball security has to be considered. That said, I'm cheering for him. However it will not be unreasonable if the go with Austin, who hasn't put the ball on the ground like Banks.

Posted by: TWISI | August 30, 2010 9:57 AM


One fumble, one muff, one TD. If in 6 returns a guy gives you one turnover and one TD, you can live with that. God knows the Bears don't regret sticking with Hester...

And why is Austin getting so much love? I haven't seen him make nearly as many plays as Banks has. Remember...draft status means NOTHING to this staff. Best guys plays and personally, I think Banks is better than Austin.

Hell, you could argue that Banks is better than MK and DT combined...

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 30, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

I like Banks. Adrian Peterson fumbles alot, Tiki Barber used to fumble all the time.

They taught Tiki to run with the ball way up high, which looked kind of funny.

Not that Brandon Banks is Tiki or Adrian, but that can be fixed.

Posted by: iH8dallas | August 30, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

So Peyton Manning is complaining about a new rule will slow down their favorite hurry-up offense (from Peter King):

"To recap the new rule: The umpire traditionally was the official who most often spotted the ball, then scurried back about five yards behind the defensive line of scrimmage to watch the play unfold. But last year, keeping with the recent tradition of physical plays against the ump because he was the center of a bunch of offensive crossing routes, there were approximately 100 collisions between players and umps. Three of those resulted in concussions. One resulted in an umpire needing shoulder surgery, and another ump need knee surgery after being knocked down."

"The Competition Committee, backed by Commissioner Roger Goodell, deemed it a safety issue, so the ump was assigned to a spot about 15 yards behind the offensive line of scrimmage, on the opposite side of where the referee is stationed. The lone exception to the rule happens in the last two minutes of each half, when the league, in a nod to the possibility of teams running a hurry-up offense, will station the umps in their traditional spot, so as not to interfere with the offensive rhythm in a two-minute drill."

"Problem is, lots of teams use the two-minute drill at times other than in the last two minutes of the half of a game. The Colts aren't alone, but they are the poster children for mastery of the quick calls and hurry-up pace."

Posted by: Samson151 | August 30, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Chris Larry, I don't remember defending the previous regime - get your facts straight.

And of course, I have considered the fact that Shanahan is floating the "McNabb may not play" to throw off the Cowboys - I personally just feel it's unnecessary and just invokes media drama.

Posted by: Lisa_R | August 30, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

On that note, I think the media is WAY, WAY over-rating the jets this year....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | August 30, 2010 10:06 AM


I got 'em at 8-8. The parallels to the 2000 Redskins is staggering...

Back to the Banks fumbling thing...just looked at Devin Hester's stats and the numbers are incredible...dude has 19 combined TDs (KR, PR, and on offense) in his career up against a whopping 23 combined fumbles. His rookie year that took the league by storm, dude ran back 3 punts for scores and had a stunning 6 fumbles.

Point is, if you have a potentially dynamic return man with blazing speed, you don't chuck him over one fumble. Banks' upside far outweighs any perceived liability. Cutting a guy who has all the tools to be our own version of "The Human Joystick" because of ONE preseason fumble is the equivolent of throwing the baby out with the bathwater...

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 30, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

brownwood26 do you put more weight on the TD or the fumble. He scored the TD against third stringers in their first preseason game. He had a fumble against 1st stringers in their 3rd preseason game. If Banks returns well on Thursday, I think he's in. If he fumbles or muffs a punt or kickoff, I think he's out. Like I said, I am cheering for the guy, but speed alone won't get him on the team, ask Anthony Alridge. Austin btw, has good vision, makes quick decisions, and has yet to turn the ball over.

Posted by: TWISI | August 30, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

He's climbin' in yo windows, he's snatchin' yo people up, tryin' to **** em so y'all need to hide ya kids, hide ya wife, hide ya kids.....

Posted by: Rypien11 | August 30, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

And of course, I have considered the fact that Shanahan is floating the "McNabb may not play" to throw off the Cowboys - I personally just feel it's unnecessary and just invokes media drama.

Posted by: Lisa_R | August 30, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

It is necessary. The Redskins should keep the Cowboys guessing about everything.

Belichek does the exact same thing all the time.

Everyone of his star players are always on the questionable/probable/game time decision list.

Posted by: iH8dallas | August 30, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Practice squader? Oh and cL? Nice use of the word squadoosh.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 30, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

LOL Ryp...I first saw that video 2 months ago and it's still on an endless loop in my head. Easily the funniest thing I've ever seen on YouTube. Holds some extra weight with me too because I went to college in Huntsville...

TWISI, seems to me if you're scoring a special teams TD in preseason it doesn't much matter WHEN it happens. It's not like Madden where you put in your backups and then your starters are playing special teams...a good number of the guys playing teams in the 1st quarter are still doing so in the 3rd and 4th quarters. So with that in mind, I put more weight on the TD than the fumble. You can correct fumbling, you can't teach a guy to run a 4.2 40...

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 30, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

I agree with Lisa in that if you expect DM to not play against the Cowboys you need a brain. With what is in the media about the nature of his injury, there is no doubt in anyone's mind about whether DM will play.

And Cork, Lisa was making the very point you blasted her about. She was saying that nothing was typical about this summer with how Shanny has "shown" his hand, which is only to his advantage. Talking about who is or isn't on the team is ludicrous with Shanny calling weird bluffs on the rare occasion that he speaks or "shows his hand." Nobody has any real idea what Shanny thinks, so speculation at this point is about as useful as maps.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | August 30, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Peter King is a d*uche how many times do you have to hear about Starbucks, or what happened on a flight, also his head is so far up bill belichicks patooie its not even funny

Posted by: drewkinnear | August 30, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

ih8, seems like Lisa is lost...defending Zorn and the old way of doing things just tanks one's credibility...

There is literally NO downside to doing what Shanahan is doing. You keep your opponent guessing and force them to prepare for two QBs instead of one, diluting their preparation for the guy you do play. How a Redskins fan can see that as bad is beyond me...

Posted by: brownwood26 | August 30, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

brownwood26 all I'm saying is yes Bank's speed is intriguing, but if has ball security issues he's better off as a PS until he works that issue out, particularly if a guy like Austin, or Buchanon, or Hall, or Moss, or Tryon can do the same without fumbling.

Posted by: TWISI | August 30, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

If MS was a true Master of deception, he would actually have McNabb not play in the first offensive play, then have him come out in a jersey with a different number on it at RB, and run a HB pass fake trick thing.

Posted by: alex35332 | August 30, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

For me it wasn't just that he fumbled it was the way he fumbled that hurt his stock IMO.

Had it been a 'lucky' fumble where a helmet happened to hit the ball perfectly and it just popped out...I could live with that. That can happen to anyone at anytime.

The problem was it wasn't a fluke, it really wasn't necessarily a great play by the defensive player....the defender just grabbed his arm and with one pull the ball came flying out.

That happens regularly to punt returns, you have got to be able to hold on to the ball.

That fumble came down to a strength issue....right or wrong when you are less then 150 pounds trying to play in the NFL where even the DBs have 30 pounds on you, your strength or lack on is going to be a big concern.

Bottom line if he wants to play in this league he has to got to build up his strength so that he can grip the ball better than that.

It is looking like practice squad could be his best bet to stick with the team.

Posted by: guinness4health | August 30, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

beep...beep...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | August 30, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Oh and another thing he would do is he would bring the skins cheer leaders with the team... also he would release a nest of angry cobras on the cowboys side line.

Posted by: alex35332 | August 30, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Samson151 | August 30, 2010 10:17 AM

Perhaps employing more athletic officials, verses the fat un-athletic corporate executives they currently employ is an option! Changing the rules of the game for these stumble bums is absurd!

Posted by: Spanglerg | August 30, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

ih8, seems like Lisa is lost...defending Zorn and the old way of doing things just tanks one's credibility...

There is literally NO downside to doing what Shanahan is doing. You keep your opponent guessing and force them to prepare for two QBs instead of one, diluting their preparation for the guy you do play. How a Redskins fan can see that as bad is beyond me...

Posted by: brownwood26

When did I defend Zorn? I don't remember that at all.

Posted by: Lisa_R | August 30, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

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