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Posted at 8:55 AM ET, 01/17/2011

Danny Smith plans to return to Redskins to coach special teams

By Jason Reid

Special teams coordinator Danny Smith plans to return to the Redskins next season, two people familiar with the situation said Monday.

Smith was believed to be a candidate to join the staff of new Denver Coach John Fox, who formerly held the same position with the Carolina Panthers. Fox offered Smith a position before the 2010 season to join him with the Panthers, but Smith stayed with Washington for Coach Mike Shanahan's first season.

The Redskins declined to comment on whether Denver requested permission to speak with Smith. The team sources, however, said Fox made Smith an offer to run the Broncos' special teams next season.

Shanahan, Washington's top football executive, recently said he plans to bring back the entire staff and add a tight ends coach. He indicated other staffing changes would only occur if assistants left for positions with other teams.

Smith just completed his 16th season in the NFL and seventh with the Redskins. He is considered among the league's best special teams coordinators.

"He's one of the best coaches we have period," starting outside linebacker and special teams standout Lorenzo Alexander said recently. "You can't let a guy like that get away."

By Jason Reid  | January 17, 2011; 8:55 AM ET
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Comments

Too Bad

Posted by: WRBD | January 17, 2011 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Is it my imagination or when you watch the NFL playoffs the Redskins look like a mediocre college team. The Redskins don't have players, don't adjust to what other eams do them offensively and defensively an have enirely too much drama season long. Professionally run organizations don't leak out information to the media undermining players. Shanahan may have been a good coach but his time has past him he is way too stubborn to make adjustments on game day . Honestly why would any free agent want to come to the Redskins? The Redskins are not about winning and now they are not about overpaying?

Posted by: BeatDontStop | January 17, 2011 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Championship.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | January 17, 2011 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Once upon a time, Vinny Cerrato and Daniel Snyder wanted to make a move to add either Mark Sanchez or Jay Cutler.

Redskin fans howled.

Yet, two years later, both quarterbacks--playing behind fairly so-so offensive lines, btw--are playing in their conference's respective championship games.

So who was right and wrong about adding gunslingin' young charismatic quarterbacks (Sanchez/Cutler)--the fans or Snyderatto?

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 17, 2011 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Is it my imagination or when you watch the NFL playoffs the Redskins look like a mediocre college team.

Posted by: BeatDontStop | January 17, 2011 9:36 AM


It's just your imagination. I see two teams that the Redskins beat head-to-head in the NFC Championship game. Not too bad for a mediocre college team. The Skins had some glaring personnel holes this season. After they are addressed, they will not be too far away from being a good team.

Posted by: MColeman51 | January 17, 2011 9:51 AM | Report abuse

So who was right and wrong about adding gunslingin' young charismatic quarterbacks (Sanchez/Cutler)--the fans or Snyderatto?

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 17, 2011 9:44 AM | Rep

Both were right. Those two QB's can make plays and help their team win. However, in order for the Redskins to have gotten either one of them, the price to get them would have made a weak team even weaker and the ability of either QB to win would have been diminished considerably.

Posted by: will_ga | January 17, 2011 9:57 AM | Report abuse

The fans.

Adding Cutler would have been fine. we'd have lost orakpo and Trent Williams, but cutler plus shanahan would have been great, IMO.

Adding Sanchez would have been disastrous. The jets have far from a so-so line. Not that Sanchez is bad, but he wouldn't nearly have the same support here that he has in NYC.

The real mistake was getting rid of JC17 for McNabb. As so many of his defenders on here said so many times, put even an average supporting cast around Campbell, and he'll do very good things. Now Campbell leads the 4th highest scoring offense in the league. And this with Oaklands trash line and extremely raw WR corp.

Posted by: psps23 | January 17, 2011 9:58 AM | Report abuse

I still do not understand the culture of low expectations among our fans. I hear many saying "build the offensive line" then get some late round yahoo to stick back there and we can be a championship team.

Are you saying pass on Luck if you had a chance to get him and draft the QB out of Middle Utah State because our O-line is being rebuilt???

I say build the offensive line through the draft and free agency and AT THE SAME TIME draft a QB that you believe could be a franchise QB.

....and yes, Mark Rypien is an example of an average QB behind a world class O-line, but Aaron Rodgers is an example of an elite QB behind an average Offensive line.

It goes both ways


Posted by: rickyroge | January 17, 2011 10:04 AM | Report abuse

I still do not understand the culture of low expectations among our fans. I hear many saying "build the offensive line" then get some late round yahoo to stick back there and we can be a championship team.

Are you saying pass on Luck if you had a chance to get him and draft the QB out of Middle Utah State because our O-line is being rebuilt???

I say build the offensive line through the draft and free agency and AT THE SAME TIME draft a QB that you believe could be a franchise QB.

....and yes, Mark Rypien is an example of an average QB behind a world class O-line, but Aaron Rodgers is an example of an elite QB behind an average Offensive line.

It goes both ways


Posted by: rickyroge | January 17, 2011 10:05 AM | Report abuse

This site list the top 50 FAs and some honorable mentions. The list is subjective of course, but nice place to start. Also list the age of the FAs. Some nice players available on both sides of the ball.

Interesting that CR22 is not listed, which will make it hard to get that big money he wants. Rocky Mac is an honorable mention.

Anyway-

http://www.nfltraderumors.co/2011-nfl-free-agents/

Posted by: kerzon417 | January 17, 2011 10:07 AM | Report abuse

psp23...

I respect you as RI regular, but it was time for Campbell to go. He's average. He was benched frequently. Campbell was too slow and needs all conditions favorable to succeed. You think he'd have led us to more than 6 wins?

Posted by: rickyroge | January 17, 2011 10:09 AM | Report abuse

psps23

Adding Sanchez would have been disastrous.

True.

(And you're right to say Sanchez plays behind a good o-line: but Big Ben, AR, and Cutler don't.)

(Brady plays behind a good line, and got hit in the face yesterday like a trailer park wife.)

You look at the playoffs and come to the same conclusion--that no matter what redskin fans say about gettin' 'burned' in the past, the team must find an able passer.

Pick #10 should be a quarterback.

Deal with it.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 17, 2011 10:09 AM | Report abuse


The Skins had some glaring personnel holes this season. After they are addressed, they will not be too far away from being a good team.

Posted by: MColeman51 | January 17, 2011 9:51 AM | Report abuse

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with all due respect,

same old story, same old song and dance

Posted by: hessone | January 17, 2011 10:10 AM | Report abuse

The fans.

Adding Cutler would have been fine. we'd have lost orakpo and Trent Williams, but cutler plus shanahan would have been great, IMO.

Adding Sanchez would have been disastrous. The jets have far from a so-so line. Not that Sanchez is bad, but he wouldn't nearly have the same support here that he has in NYC.

The real mistake was getting rid of JC17 for McNabb. As so many of his defenders on here said so many times, put even an average supporting cast around Campbell, and he'll do very good things. Now Campbell leads the 4th highest scoring offense in the league. And this with Oaklands trash line and extremely raw WR corp.

Posted by: psps23 | January 17, 2011 9:58 AM | Report abuse

cosign, psps. I was one who said JC good enough to pilot the O, but not good enough to carry the O. We need athletes, and so we shouldn't have given up #1's and #2's. I agree with trading them for more picks, but I also know that's not always possible. And while I felt that DMac was a step up from JC, when we are in a building mode, what DMac brought was a short-term improvement, and we need long-term improvements. Youth, speed, power. Stop trying to make the quick fixes. Stop trading away our future picks.

I'm all for signing FA's, and we should be able to fill some holes this offseason. But no more trades for future picks.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 17, 2011 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Though if you do want a template for how the "Snyder" model of building a team can be successful in the NFL, look no further than the jets and bears. Both teams are heavily influenced by big trades and big splashes in the FA market. Edwards, Holmes, Tomlinson, woody, Scott, cromartie, pace, and sanchez were all bought by the jets. Cutler, peppers, Taylor, idonije, and number of no name o-linemen were not drafted by the bears. Both these teams relied on savvy FA and trades to be successful, as well as great coaching.

Heck look at last years SB champs. NO acquired their three most important players via trade or FA: brees, vilma, and sharper. And they won a SB because of it.

Posted by: psps23 | January 17, 2011 10:14 AM | Report abuse

rickroge

Campbell was too slow and needs all conditions favorable to succeed.

Obviously, you've not seen any of Campbell's play after he was benched in Oakland.

Hue Jackson has fashioned the raiders' offense to Campbell's tool set: no one did that in D.C..

He looked like a totally different quarterback than the guy who took 43 sacks behind Jim Zorn's offensive line.

If Campbell had spent 6 seasons in D.C. with all conditions perfect and bombed, you have an argument when you say he should've been moved.

But he didn't and so, he should still be a redskin.

As would the two picks spent to add DM5.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 17, 2011 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Agree psps, more than one way to build a team. The one sure way not to is the Snyderrato way, but those mistakes cannot keep the Skins from signing the right FAs and drafting the right players.

Without Snyderrato, I have confidence that Morroco Brown will find the right FAs and that this FO will sign them to reasonable contracts.

Posted by: kerzon417 | January 17, 2011 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Though if you do want a template for how the "Snyder" model of building a team can be successful in the NFL, look no further than the jets and bears. Both teams are heavily influenced by big trades and big splashes in the FA market. Edwards, Holmes, Tomlinson, woody, Scott, cromartie, pace, and sanchez were all bought by the jets. Cutler, peppers, Taylor, idonije, and number of no name o-linemen were not drafted by the bears. Both these teams relied on savvy FA and trades to be successful, as well as great coaching.

Heck look at last years SB champs. NO acquired their three most important players via trade or FA: brees, vilma, and sharper. And they won a SB because of it.

Posted by: psps23 | January 17, 2011 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Very good point...

the problem here was that we had people picking the free agents that overpaid for mediocre talent.

I think Shanahan/Allen will take a similar approach but I've gotta think they're better at picking talent than Vinny "Bug Eyes".

Posted by: rickyroge | January 17, 2011 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Ricky, I dont know if JC17 wins more than 6 games with this team (it's very possible given that he won 8 with Oakland, even though nobody in their right mind would have said they have a better supporting cast than Washington before the season started).

But I do know we wouldn't have burned 2 high-ish draft picks for a 6-10 season and no answer at QB.

Even though I know you dislike Campbell, there's no way you can say with a straight face that this team was better off because we swapped Campbell for mcnabb.

As for the 10th pick, absolutely a QB needs to be priority number 1 (ability to find the "right" guy notwithstanding). We rebuilt the line last season, we rebuilt the schemes last season, we unearthed some quality actual productive talent at WR as opposed to the potential talent we'd been relying on for 2 years, now is the time to groom a QB and let him grow in this offense with this group of players.

Posted by: psps23 | January 17, 2011 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Aren't we supposed to be on The Bog?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 17, 2011 10:29 AM | Report abuse

The Skins had some glaring personnel holes this season.

So what are the 'glaring holes'?

--settled quarterback situation

--center

--right guard/tackle

--nose tackle

--right defensive end

--inside linebacker

--free safety

--dynamic wide receiver

--cornerback depth


That's a lotta holes...and as for me, I can't stand the glare.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 17, 2011 10:32 AM | Report abuse

If Campbell had spent 6 seasons in D.C. with all conditions perfect and bombed, you have an argument when you say he should've been moved.

But he didn't and so, he should still be a redskin.

As would the two picks spent to add DM5.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 17, 2011 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Point well taken, but unless you are a complete scrub anybody in a system for 6 years should be able to take a team to the playoffs.


There's been too much change around here. In my opinion, unless we get consecutive years of losing records, I say stick with Shanahan for the duration of his contract.

Posted by: rickyroge | January 17, 2011 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Like some of the people who just commented I too don't fear free agency so long as we don't do it as we did in the past.

So:
- No more vast contracts for players past their prime,
- no more overpaying and allegedly outbidding ourselves for players that nobody else is trying that hard to get (Adam Archuleta etc),
- no more big contracts for players who had reputations for not working or playing hard either at all or until their contract years (Haynesworth),
- no more players that don't actually fit the system we run,
- I remember reading several comments by league insiders several years ago that though they thought we had a perfectly adequate scouting group it was suspected Snyder and Cerrato were not listening to them. So no more of that either.

Posted by: craig81 | January 17, 2011 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Moe, offensively, I say we get a QB then stick with what we have. Maybe build the depth with smart FA pickups.

After a QB in round one, turn everything else to defense. We need a starting NT, DE, OLB, FS. After that, we need depth at DE, FS, NT, CB, and ILB. That's a lot to fill in one offseason. The defense needs an overhaul big time.

Posted by: psps23 | January 17, 2011 10:38 AM | Report abuse

I'm all for signing FA's, and we should be able to fill some holes this offseason. But no more trades for future picks.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 17, 2011 10:11 AM |
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a decade of FA's and what do you have ? last years trades and what do you have ?

I watched mankins yesterday. only a fool would spend big money on a guy that performs like he did yesterday.

some folks see stars in FA's. I see more of the same if you go after big money guys

I'd say the packers are playing the best playoff football right now, with their only FA. that's right, their one and only FA, cwoodson.

trading for dmcnabb and jbrown was even worse, giving away draft picks instead of just cash.

one more time. snyder owns the team. he does the hiring and firing. he's put together another FO that might balance the cap money and write better contracts in the teams best interest, but the redskins new FO haven't a clue when it comes to personel

of course, like the other coaches and FO before them, we must be patient, as surely this team will be playoff bound in the next 2-3 years

Posted by: hessone | January 17, 2011 10:40 AM | Report abuse

The conversations up here are boring me.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 17, 2011 10:40 AM | Report abuse

scottcampbell

Aren't we supposed to be on The Bog?

I've been in Cindy Boren's Early Lead blog.

It's a dead place, trust me.

I read the Sports Bog, but don't post there.

The threads are usually all I need.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 17, 2011 10:41 AM | Report abuse


Heck look at last years SB champs. NO acquired their three most important players via trade or FA: brees, vilma, and sharper. And they won a SB because of it.

Posted by: psps23 | January 17, 2011 10:14 AM |
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sure they won the SB, and made the playoffs this year. they were beat by a team that didn't even belong in the playoff.

I'd rather see the redskins build for long term success, instead of WIN NOW, and then another 2 decades of losing

SAVE THE WHALES!!!

Posted by: hessone | January 17, 2011 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: psps23

The defense needs an overhaul big time.

A F'ingman.

The right side of the redskin defense (McIntosh, Golston, AH, Carter at OLB) failed massively.

And our corners need to play 'press' coverage just like Cromartie/Revis did yesterday.

Rogers/Hall aren't in those guys class, but pressing receivers in the 5 yard zone where you can totally disrupts the rhythm of any passing offense.

Just ask Tom Brady/Peyton Manning if it causes problems.


Posted by: MistaMoe | January 17, 2011 10:47 AM | Report abuse

With Bruce Allen managing the cap the team will be in much better shape.

Instead of Snyder shooting his goo at every FA available, Allen is there to say "WHOOOAAA there partner".

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 17, 2011 10:47 AM | Report abuse

I'm torn. For years we've heard what a great coach he is but so often the results on the field (except for BB recently) leave me wanting more. Maybe he is a good coach with poor talent compared to our competition...

Posted by: M00SE | January 17, 2011 10:47 AM | Report abuse

psp23...

I respect you as RI regular, but it was time for Campbell to go. He's average. He was benched frequently. Campbell was too slow and needs all conditions favorable to succeed. You think he'd have led us to more than 6 wins?

Posted by: rickyroge | January 17, 2011 10:09 AM | Report abuse

No, ricky, our season would have been quite similar. But we would have an additional athlete, our #2 pick, so we would have hopefully(no guarantees there) been one step closer to having a winning roster. I'm not saying JC would have been our long-term solution.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 17, 2011 10:50 AM | Report abuse

So who was right and wrong about adding gunslingin' young charismatic quarterbacks (Sanchez/Cutler)--the fans or Snyderatto?

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 17, 2011 9:44 AM | Report abuse


The fans.

Doesn't matter who we bring in here, we manage to make them mediocre. Shoot, look at what we did to Donovan McNabb?

The fans howled b/c we knew that all that wheeling-n-dealing was pointless with the buffoons running the show. If you want to make a big splash, then do it at the top.

Now that we did that there are glimmers of hope (McNabbacle notwithstanding).

Posted by: p1funk | January 17, 2011 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Sexy Rexy!

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 17, 2011 10:52 AM | Report abuse

You look at the playoffs and come to the same conclusion--that no matter what redskin fans say about gettin' 'burned' in the past, the team must find an able passer.

Pick #10 should be a quarterback.

Deal with it.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 17, 2011 10:09 AM | Report abuse

MOe, I think that depends on who is selected 1-9. We may take qb if our guy is still there. And I don't have any clue who "our guy" is. But we should only take a qb if we are sold on one or two beforehand. IF other teams are picking qb's(Casserly thinks 8 out of ten top picking teams mignt take qb), then some really strong prospect will fall to us at #10. So we just have to wait and see who remains on the board at #10.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 17, 2011 10:55 AM | Report abuse


Now that we did that there are glimmers of hope (McNabbacle notwithstanding).

Posted by: p1funk | January 17, 2011 10:52 AM |
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suspending AH ?

Posted by: hessone | January 17, 2011 10:56 AM | Report abuse

The fans.

Doesn't matter who we bring in here, we manage to make them mediocre. Shoot, look at what we did to Donovan McNabb?

The fans howled b/c we knew that all that wheeling-n-dealing was pointless with the buffoons running the show. If you want to make a big splash, then do it at the top.

Now that we did that there are glimmers of hope (McNabbacle notwithstanding).

Posted by: p1funk | January 17, 2011 10:52 AM | Report abuse

We did make a big splash at the top- Bruce Allen.

There is a bigger chance that Kim Jung-Il leaves North Korea than Snyder leaving the Redskins.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 17, 2011 10:57 AM | Report abuse

The new redskins FO hasn't a clue?

Sure they've made mistakes so far, but I'll take Ryan torain, Brandon banks, Anthony Armstrong, kory Lichtensteiger, Logan paulsen, and keiland Williams for free every day of the week.

They drafted a future stud at LT when the previous FO neglected the line for a decade.

They tailored a defense around a former potential "bust" and made him an immediate potential DPOY candidate.

They recognized that our golden prize at WR was nothing more than a model in a football uniform and got rid of him for actual players.

They actually used the practice squad as a breeding ground for development, utilizing it to its full extent, eventually promoting seven players to the full roster, almost all of whom produced for this team by seasons end.

You look at one or two mistakes and are blinded by your Snyder rage. You can't see the forest for the trees. This team is being built from the ground up the proper way.

Of course, you're still the guy that claims Fred Davis is a bus and that we should cut him.

Posted by: psps23 | January 17, 2011 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: psps23 | January 17, 2011 10:38 AM | Report abuse

You don't just take a mediocre QB prospect in round 1 just because you need a QB. That's how we ended up with Campbell. There aren't any QBs in round 1 that are worth the #10 pick. Why on earth would you reach for a QB in round 1 when you could get a similar prospect in round 2? You're talking about passing over a potential game changer for a mediocre QB prospect. I mean that's just Vinnyesque at best. Who would you guys even take in round 1?

Cam Newton?

I can't even think of anyone else.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 17, 2011 10:59 AM | Report abuse


psp23...

I respect you as RI regular, but it was time for Campbell to go. He's average. He was benched frequently. Campbell was too slow and needs all conditions favorable to succeed. You think he'd have led us to more than 6 wins?

Posted by: rickyroge | January 17, 2011 10:09 AM | Report abuse

No, ricky, our season would have been quite similar. But we would have an additional athlete, our #2 pick, so we would have hopefully(no guarantees there) been one step closer to having a winning roster. I'm not saying JC would have been our long-term solution.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 17, 2011 10:50 AM | Report abuse

We didn't lose our second-rounder when we traded Campbell.

We lost our second-rounder when we acquired McNabb.

It was time for JC to go.

Why do people always cast this decision as 1 of 2 ways?

Either we keep JC and all the draft picks or we trade JC and lost the draft picks?

There was another way to go - get rid of JC AND keep the draft picks by passing on McNabb.

...which is the way I would have gone.

Posted by: p1funk | January 17, 2011 11:00 AM | Report abuse

The new redskins FO hasn't a clue?

Sure they've made mistakes so far, but I'll take Ryan torain, Brandon banks, Anthony Armstrong, kory Lichtensteiger, Logan paulsen, and keiland Williams for free every day of the week.

They drafted a future stud at LT when the previous FO neglected the line for a decade.

They tailored a defense around a former potential "bust" and made him an immediate potential DPOY candidate.

They recognized that our golden prize at WR was nothing more than a model in a football uniform and got rid of him for actual players.

They actually used the practice squad as a breeding ground for development, utilizing it to its full extent, eventually promoting seven players to the full roster, almost all of whom produced for this team by seasons end.

You look at one or two mistakes and are blinded by your Snyder rage. You can't see the forest for the trees. This team is being built from the ground up the proper way.

Of course, you're still the guy that claims Fred Davis is a bus and that we should cut him.

Posted by: psps23 | January 17, 2011 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Co-sign on everything you just said.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 17, 2011 11:03 AM | Report abuse

The new redskins FO hasn't a clue?

Sure they've made mistakes so far, but I'll take Ryan torain, Brandon banks, Anthony Armstrong, kory Lichtensteiger, Logan paulsen, and keiland Williams for free every day of the week.

They drafted a future stud at LT when the previous FO neglected the line for a decade.

They tailored a defense around a former potential "bust" and made him an immediate potential DPOY candidate.

They recognized that our golden prize at WR was nothing more than a model in a football uniform and got rid of him for actual players.

They actually used the practice squad as a breeding ground for development, utilizing it to its full extent, eventually promoting seven players to the full roster, almost all of whom produced for this team by seasons end.

You look at one or two mistakes and are blinded by your Snyder rage. You can't see the forest for the trees. This team is being built from the ground up the proper way.

Of course, you're still the guy that claims Fred Davis is a bus and that we should cut him.

Posted by: psps23 | January 17, 2011 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Co-sign on everything you just said.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 17, 2011 11:03 AM |

Triple stamp it.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 17, 2011 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Why do people always cast this decision as 1 of 2 ways?
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That's the way it went down. Mcnabb was acquired, then jc17 was traded. Not the other way around. Campbell would not have been traded if mcnabb wasn't acquired (or if we somehow snagged Bradford in the draft).

Posted by: psps23 | January 17, 2011 11:07 AM | Report abuse

frediefritz

And I don't have any clue who "our guy" (at 10) is.

I think I do:

Imagine if Tom Brady was a running quarterback.

Once the d-line pressure came, if he pulls the ball down, gets a few first downs with this legs, he's able to extend a drive or two.

The threat of pass-run makes coverage slippery as if you cover too long, the running quarterback exploits tight-man coverage with the occasional long scramble.

So, in drafting a quarterback at #10, do you take a strong-armed statue like Mallett or scrambler-passer like Locker?

You take Jake Locker at 10 as the ability to threaten defenses with athleticism-passing from the quarterback spot is the future.

Plus, the quarterback who can move, reset, and throw helps even the best o-line: and Tom Brady couldn't do that yesterday just like Peyton Manning couldn't the week before.

I think, again, that Mike Shanahan will look at Locker, see Elway-Young-Plummer and draft him.

And we'll all howl.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 17, 2011 11:08 AM | Report abuse

So what are the 'glaring holes'?

--settled quarterback situation

--center

--right guard/tackle

--nose tackle

--right defensive end

--inside linebacker

--free safety

--dynamic wide receiver

--cornerback depth


That's a lotta holes...and as for me, I can't stand the glare.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 17, 2011 10:32 AM

I'd go a little further:


--settled quarterback situation

--center

--right guard/tackle

--Add LG

--nose tackle

--right defensive end

--inside linebacker

--Add OLB to compliment orakpo

--free safety

--dynamic wide receiver

--cornerback - After Carlos leaves, we'll need a starter here unless Barnes can step in.

--Add durable RB

--Add FB w/greater speed, hands, blocking


Yeah, it's a lot of moves. But we have two years IMO.

O line gets handled largely in FA with guys under 26. Should be no guess work here as they have played in the NFL for a couple f years and have shown their skills against talent at that level.

Draft goes to the D. We have to be able to stop the run and pressure the QB with our front 7. Let's go get them.

Back to FA for opportunistic acquisitions at FS, FB, LB depth, etc. And we are a lot more competitive than this year.

At least, that's one approach....

Posted by: edvar | January 17, 2011 11:10 AM | Report abuse

So...Orakpo is going to the ProBowl...discuss..

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 17, 2011 11:12 AM | Report abuse

So who was right and wrong about adding gunslingin' young charismatic quarterbacks (Sanchez/Cutler)--the fans or Snyderatto?

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 17, 2011 9:44 AM | Rep

Both were right. Those two QB's can make plays and help their team win. However, in order for the Redskins to have gotten either one of them, the price to get them would have made a weak team even weaker and the ability of either QB to win would have been diminished considerably.

Posted by: will_ga | January 17, 2011 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Thats right we would have never had have the ability to make the trade for Jason Taylor!!

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 17, 2011 11:12 AM | Report abuse


You look at one or two mistakes and are blinded by your Snyder rage. You can't see the forest for the trees. This team is being built from the ground up the proper way.

Of course, you're still the guy that claims Fred Davis is a bus and that we should cut him.

Posted by: psps23 | January 17, 2011 10:58 AM |
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what does any of your comments have to do with a 5-11 season. the only change is in the names and faces.

fdavis is a bust, but I'd try to trade him and not just cut him, so you're wrong about that part.

if you like snyder as owner, than you keep listening to his annual, "I've learned from my mistakes" crap. why do folks turn their heads at the last decade of drama and think this team is going somewhere with this clown at the helm. he owns the team, and his stamp is all over it, including the mcnabb trade.

but, but, but he wants to win really bad. he's the biggest redskin fan, just like all the redskin fans.

I don't have snyder rage, rather, I'm tired of the same old


Posted by: hessone | January 17, 2011 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Cam Newton?

I can't even think of anyone else.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 17, 2011 10:59 AM

The top Qbs will be of value in the 20s in round 1.

Posted by: TWISI | January 17, 2011 11:13 AM | Report abuse

The real mistake was getting rid of JC17 for McNabb. As so many of his defenders on here said so many times, put even an average supporting cast around Campbell, and he'll do very good things. Now Campbell leads the 4th highest scoring offense in the league. And this with Oaklands trash line and extremely raw WR corp.

Posted by: psps23 | January 17, 2011 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Once again, what's up with the false dichotomy?

We could have (should have) gotten rid of Campbell AND passed on McNabb.

psps, you do realize that the same brain trust that you so vehemently defend in one post is the same group that collectively decided that Campbell was NOT the answer and was NOT the fit for their scheme?

And BTW, Oakland's offense was 6th in scoring...of course their passing offense was 22nd in the NFL (yardage) and only produced 18 TDs (26th)...their rushing offense was ranked 2nd in the NFL (in yardage and TDs)...but yeah, whatever..."trash" O-line and all Jason Campbell was clearly a BIG difference-maker there...

Posted by: p1funk | January 17, 2011 11:17 AM | Report abuse

I was so excited as I thought it was Hunter the Punter coming back.

Posted by: fearturtle44 | January 17, 2011 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Yet, two years later, both quarterbacks--playing behind fairly so-so offensive lines, btw--are playing in their conference's respective championship games.

So who was right and wrong about adding gunslingin' young charismatic quarterbacks (Sanchez/Cutler)--the fans or Snyderatto?

Posted by: MistaMoe |

First of all fans think with their hearts, not their heads when it comes to wants and needs.

But you are flat out wrong trying to make your point by claiming the QB apples of your eye have been "playing behind fairly so-so offensive lines."

Far from it. Sanchez operates behind a line that sports two perenial All Pros, and one which protected Sanchez well and allowed enough of a running attack for him to pass effectively.

You inadvertantly prove the point you are trying to disprove with Chicago. You want "gunslingin' charismatic quarterbacks" who are so much the cooler when you drop the final g and replace it with an appostrophe.

Cutler got all but dismembered against the Giants earlier this season, the victim of NINE first half sacks. But thanks to hard work and Mike Tice's coaching, the problems were fixed and now the Chicago line is a strength.

And guess what? The Big Uglies effectiveness makes your "Gunslingin' Charismatic" QB shine.

Keeo this is mine: VERY FEW quarterback gunsling worth a hoot while lying on their back.

Posted by: TheCork | January 17, 2011 11:18 AM | Report abuse

I wouldnt be upset at locker at number ten.

Athletic, strong armed QB, possibly erratic, but with great potential? Sounds like a shanahan QB to me.

First and foremost, I'd want to make sure the QB we select has a dedication to the game on par with the mannings, bradys, rivers, etc. I don't think shanahan will tolerate less. That's what I'm most intrigued about when it comes to the scouting process.

Posted by: psps23 | January 17, 2011 11:19 AM | Report abuse

All the playoff teams this year and the last 5 years have proved to me this. To win a superbowl in this league you need a franchise quarterback. Every team in the league that has been successful the last 4 years, even the one's that haven't gone to the playoffs have had a franchise guy.

Last Five Superbowl Champions (Since the rules changed to give offenses the advantage. (Drew Bress, Ben Roethlisberger (twice), Eli Manning, Peyton Manning.) Even Baltimore, the best defense in the league for many years, got smart and realized they couldn't win without a franchise quarterback in Joe Flacco.

It's hard to say the redskins have really had anything close to that since Brad Johnson took us pretty far in the playoffs in '99 I believe, behind an ok but not great offensive line.

The truth that many fans find hard to swallow is this. UNLESS WE GET A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK, THE REDSKINS WILL NOT GO ANYWHERE. I DON'T CARE WHO IS COACH, WHO OWNS THE TEAM, WHO PLAYS OFFENSIVE LINE, HOW GOOD OUR DEFENSE IS. Cause in the end, it won't matter. This is not the late 90's, early 2000's where the rules where even on both sides. NO, THIS IS AN OFFENSIVE LEAGUE NOW. THE RULES ARE MADE FOR OFFENSES TO SCORE AND WIN GAMES and even the best defenses in the league can no longer carry a team into the superbowl. THESE ARE FACTS!

The redskins need what we haven't had since Joe Theisman, to be perfectly honest with you. And that's a relatively young quarterback you can build a team around. Only when that piece of the puzzle is in place will this team ever have a chance in this league.

The Redskins need to find a guy that they feel will carry this franchise and select him (weither by trade,hopefully not, or draft). I don't care if we have to give up a few picks or trade down to do so. All I care about is that we get the right guy thats all. I trust Shannahan to make the right call and get the guy that best fits his system.

Remember that Shannahan was the only guy that thought Cutler would have a better career than both Vince Young and Matt Lienart. Most football "analyst" believed in Matt Lienart's ability to be "ready to play now" or Vince's "upside". People said Cutler would be a "project" that would be at best a late round 1st pick. A few years later, I think those "analyst" are eating there words and Shannahan proved himself right once more.

This is kind of silly instance, and I could keep going but I'm running out of char. Bottom line is, Shannahan knows quarterbacks, and I'm very confident in his ability to pick the right one this frachise can build around for the future.

Posted by: culprit59 | January 17, 2011 11:22 AM | Report abuse

edvar

--inside linebacker--Add OLB to compliment orakpo

I'm of a mind that out of RobJax, Robert Henson, Lorenzo Alexander, and Perry Riley we'll find an inside linebacker and outside linebacker.

Remember: improved d-line pressure improves linebacker play.

The jets had some unknown dude who ate Logan Mankins' lunch yesterday: and adding stud, athletic defensive lineman will totally improve our defense.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 17, 2011 11:23 AM | Report abuse

I wouldnt be upset at locker at number ten.

Athletic, strong armed QB, possibly erratic, but with great potential? Sounds like a shanahan QB to me.

First and foremost, I'd want to make sure the QB we select has a dedication to the game on par with the mannings, bradys, rivers, etc. I don't think shanahan will tolerate less. That's what I'm most intrigued about when it comes to the scouting process.

Posted by: psps23 | January 17, 2011 11:19 AM

I think I agree with Deisel about Collin Kaepernick (QB from Nevada) after round one. Keep an eye on him as I expect his stock to rise over the next few months. He's a two year project, but man does that kid have upside!

Posted by: edvar | January 17, 2011 11:25 AM | Report abuse

The real mistake was getting rid of JC17 for McNabb. As so many of his defenders on here said so many times, put even an average supporting cast around Campbell, and he'll do very good things. Now Campbell leads the 4th highest scoring offense in the league. And this with Oaklands trash line and extremely raw WR corp.

Posted by: psps23 | January 17, 2011 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Campbell was riding the coat tails of one D. McFaden. His numbers are not that impressive especiialy in the division that he played in. Campbell has yet to have the "game come to him" so to speak....either he over analyse or just too afraid to make a mistake...someting is there. I'm sure it doesnt help matters when you have a coach playing QB carousel

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 17, 2011 11:26 AM | Report abuse


I wouldnt be upset at locker at number ten.

Posted by: psps23 | January 17, 2011 11:19 AM |
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does he come with a neck brace ?

until the o-line is set, forget about QB at # 10 or the guy will have whip-lash before the seasons 2 games old

peeps were up in arms during the season about the o-line needing attention. what happened folks ? there's no quality QB's in this draft, look elsewhere for our many needs

sorry, don't want to short change us, 6-10, not 5-11

Posted by: hessone | January 17, 2011 11:27 AM | Report abuse

That's true, shanahan decided campbell wasn't their guy for their system.

They also decided mcnabb was.

Obviously, mistakes happen.

I never said Campbell would have been a stud here, just that it was a mistake to trade for mcnabb and get rid of campbell. It was.

And though there was a possibility of getting rid of campbell and passing on mcnabb, that wasn't going to happen. It would have made no sense. A cheap, young starting QB doesn't get traded away unless you think you have a replacement. That's why they only traded Campbell after they got mcnabb.

Posted by: psps23 | January 17, 2011 11:27 AM | Report abuse

TheCork

Tom Brady had a ton 'o time to throw yesterday as did Peyton Manning the week before.

Joe Flacco played behind a great line Saturday and Roethlisberger did not as pressure was in his face all day like a nutsack.

So how did all that top notch o-line blocking work out for Flacco, Manning, and Brady this weekend?

Just askin'.....

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 17, 2011 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Why do people always cast this decision as 1 of 2 ways?
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That's the way it went down. Mcnabb was acquired, then jc17 was traded. Not the other way around. Campbell would not have been traded if mcnabb wasn't acquired (or if we somehow snagged Bradford in the draft).

Posted by: psps23 | January 17, 2011 11:07 AM | Report abuse


Describing the way it went down and talking in retrospect about the way it "could have" gone down are 2 entirely different things.

Again, we did not HAVE to get McNabb in order to trade JC when we are talking about the universe of possibilities.

To say that Campbell "would not have been traded" if McNabb weren't acquired is simply bogus. You don't know that, and there's no way you could know that.

Posted by: p1funk | January 17, 2011 11:30 AM | Report abuse

We didn't lose our second-rounder when we traded Campbell.

We lost our second-rounder when we acquired McNabb.

It was time for JC to go.

Why do people always cast this decision as 1 of 2 ways?

Either we keep JC and all the draft picks or we trade JC and lost the draft picks?

There was another way to go - get rid of JC AND keep the draft picks by passing on McNabb.

...which is the way I would have gone.

Posted by: p1funk | January 17, 2011 11:00 AM | Report abuse

That's what I was saying. If we didn't trade for DMac, we would have had JC and our 2nd rd pick, who should have been a highly-rated player, something like 37 pick in whole fricking draft, almost a #1 pick. JC could have been adequate for 1-2 more years, til we rebuilt OL and established a 3-4 D with proper players for that D.

And I don't see why it was time to part with JC. He was adequate. The players like him. He ws classy, didn't cause problems. Was he the long-term solution at qb? No, probably not.

DMac was clearly a step up, a great leader, but his athleticism had disappeared several years ago. Did he scare me as an Iggle? NOt the last 2 years.

We would have been further along to a better team if we had kept JC and our #37 pick in 2010. The 2011 pick for DMac was basically swapped for a 2011 5th rd pick for JC.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 17, 2011 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Who do we get at #10?

The beauty of this question is that there are "right" answers all around!

I calculate that we could stand to fill about 12 of our 22 starting positions.

(QB, RT, RG, LG, C, WR, NT, DE, ILB, OLB, CB, FS)

So that means we could get any number of folks at #10, and they could be instrumental in helping the team take a step forward.

Posted by: p1funk | January 17, 2011 11:38 AM | Report abuse

edvar

--inside linebacker--Add OLB to compliment orakpo

I'm of a mind that out of RobJax, Robert Henson, Lorenzo Alexander, and Perry Riley we'll find an inside linebacker and outside linebacker.

Remember: improved d-line pressure improves linebacker play.

The jets had some unknown dude who ate Logan Mankins' lunch yesterday: and adding stud, athletic defensive lineman will totally improve our defense.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 17, 2011 11:23 AM

Not gonna argue with building a stud D-line.

Ever.

Posted by: edvar | January 17, 2011 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | January 17, 2011 11:00 AM | Report abuse

That's what I was saying. If we didn't trade for DMac, we would have had JC and our 2nd rd pick, who should have been a highly-rated player, something like 37 pick in whole fricking draft, almost a #1 pick. JC could have been adequate for 1-2 more years, til we rebuilt OL and established a 3-4 D with proper players for that D.

And I don't see why it was time to part with JC. He was adequate. The players like him. He ws classy, didn't cause problems. Was he the long-term solution at qb? No, probably not.

DMac was clearly a step up, a great leader, but his athleticism had disappeared several years ago. Did he scare me as an Iggle? NOt the last 2 years.

We would have been further along to a better team if we had kept JC and our #37 pick in 2010. The 2011 pick for DMac was basically swapped for a 2011 5th rd pick for JC.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 17, 2011 11:36 AM | Report abuse


We're saying different things.

We agree on passing on DMac.

We disagree on keeping Campbell.

We already had Rex Grossman in the fold. If we were looking for a 1-2 year punching bag while we build up the rest of the team (what I would have done), we could have simply rolled with Grossman and brought in another Shanny re-tread (Simms? Ramsey?) to duke it out in a bum-fight for the starting job.

We could have also moved Campbell for a pick, further stockpiling our draft haul for the future.

Posted by: p1funk | January 17, 2011 11:43 AM | Report abuse

The truth that many fans find hard to swallow is this. UNLESS WE GET A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK, THE REDSKINS WILL NOT GO ANYWHERE. I DON'T CARE WHO IS COACH, WHO OWNS THE TEAM, WHO PLAYS OFFENSIVE LINE, HOW GOOD OUR DEFENSE IS. Cause in the end, it won't matter. This is not the late 90's, early 2000's where the rules where even on both sides. NO, THIS IS AN OFFENSIVE LEAGUE NOW. THE RULES ARE MADE FOR OFFENSES TO SCORE AND WIN GAMES and even the best defenses in the league can no longer carry a team into the superbowl. THESE ARE FACTS!

The redskins need what we haven't had since Joe Theisman, to be perfectly honest with you. And that's a relatively young quarterback you can build a team around. Only when that piece of the puzzle is in place will this team ever have a chance in this league.

The Redskins need to find a guy that they feel will carry this franchise and select him (weither by trade,hopefully not, or draft). I don't care if we have to give up a few picks or trade down to do so. All I care about is that we get the right guy thats all. I trust Shannahan to make the right call and get the guy that best fits his system.

Remember that Shannahan was the only guy that thought Cutler would have a better career than both Vince Young and Matt Lienart. Most football "analyst" believed in Matt Lienart's ability to be "ready to play now" or Vince's "upside". People said Cutler would be a "project" that would be at best a late round 1st pick. A few years later, I think those "analyst" are eating there words and Shannahan proved himself right once more.

This is kind of silly instance, and I could keep going but I'm running out of char. Bottom line is, Shannahan knows quarterbacks, and I'm very confident in his ability to pick the right one this frachise can build around for the future.

Posted by: culprit59 | January 17, 2011 11:22 AM | Report abuse

The other facts are that the skins are picking 10th in a draft where one NFL expert (former GM) stated 8 teams could select a QB. If the skins braintrust believe Locker is their QB then what about the other teams...Arizona, 49ers, Titans, Bills, etc.just to name a few of the top teams in the draft?

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 17, 2011 11:44 AM | Report abuse

The REAL Final FO':

Stillers v. Jets

Bears v. Packers


Not a vet quarterback in the group.

1 team has a very good o-line and 3 don't.

The running backs involved are all non-descript types.

But the wideouts are to die for.

So who emerges as the 'elite' quarterback over the next two weeks?

Sanchez: second year in the NFL-wow!

Big Ben: he has his rings

Jay Cutler: he and Mike Martz are shuttin' up a lot of critics about right now

Aaron Rodgers: he replaces Favre and is Favre

Moe says that when the dust settles, AR beats Big Ben in Big D.

Unless on Groundhog Day, Big Ben makes the packers see their own shadow.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 17, 2011 11:47 AM | Report abuse

I think, again, that Mike Shanahan will look at Locker, see Elway-Young-Plummer and draft him.

And we'll all howl.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 17, 2011 11:08 AM | Report abuse

I haven't seen him play, but the knock I'm hearing on Locker is that he is not an accurate passer. I'm fine with an athletic qb, but he still need accuracy, and he needs the intangibles...intelligence, quick thinking, competitiveness. So much goes into an elite qb.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 17, 2011 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: psps23 | January 17, 2011 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Co-sign on everything you just said.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 17, 2011 11:03 AM |

Triple stamp it.

Posted by: Flounder21
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Good post-agreed.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | January 17, 2011 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Draft a QB? Yes. But not with #10, and not Locker unless he falls to us later. Everything I read about the top four consensus picks coming out says they are serious projects, 3 or 4 years, and that includes Locker and Newton. If you draft a long term project, that can wait until a later round.

Hopefully some team will be drooling over Locker and want to move up to take him, giving us at least a first and second.

Posted by: NYPDee | January 17, 2011 11:50 AM | Report abuse

The truth that many fans find hard to swallow is this. UNLESS WE GET A FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK, THE REDSKINS WILL NOT GO ANYWHERE. I DON'T CARE WHO IS COACH, WHO OWNS THE TEAM, WHO PLAYS OFFENSIVE LINE, HOW GOOD OUR DEFENSE IS. Cause in the end, it won't matter.


...Bottom line is, Shannahan knows quarterbacks, and I'm very confident in his ability to pick the right one this frachise can build around for the future.

Posted by: culprit59 | January 17, 2011 11:22 AM | Report abuse


First, I don't hear any fans up here arguing with the notion that a championship team needs a great QB; so I'm not sure where that's coming from.

People disagree on where to find one.


Peyton Manning and Ben Roethlisberger were high first-rounders.

Tom Brady was a 6th round pick.

Drew Brees was signed as a Plan B free-agent after Daunte Culpepper came off the market.

I don't believe Shanny will draft a QB high in this draft.

Culter was the exception to the Shanny-way, not the norm.

The norm for Shanny is to acquire a mid-career QB and develop them in his system.

Posted by: p1funk | January 17, 2011 11:52 AM | Report abuse

edvar

--inside linebacker--Add OLB to compliment orakpo

I'm of a mind that out of RobJax, Robert Henson, Lorenzo Alexander, and Perry Riley we'll find an inside linebacker and outside linebacker.

Remember: improved d-line pressure improves linebacker play.

The jets had some unknown dude who ate Logan Mankins' lunch yesterday: and adding stud, athletic defensive lineman will totally improve our defense.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 17, 2011 11:23 AM

Moe,

I like our young guys that we have on defense but it would be nice to pick up a stud OLB or DE that could apply pressure opposite of Orakapo. Is Perry Rily an inside or outside line backer and do you think he will start next season?

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 17, 2011 11:53 AM | Report abuse

frediefritz

but the knock I'm hearing on Locker is that he is not an accurate passer.


There's always some kind of ridic knock on these guys that does/does not plan out.

Last year, Sam Bradford was supposed to be brittle.

Colt McCoy had a weak arm.

This goes on every year.

Thing is, you can not guarantee 'can't miss' when 22 year old athletes are involved.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 17, 2011 11:55 AM | Report abuse

So who emerges as the 'elite' quarterback over the next two weeks?

Sanchez: second year in the NFL-wow!

Big Ben: he has his rings

Jay Cutler: he and Mike Martz are shuttin' up a lot of critics about right now

Aaron Rodgers: he replaces Favre and is Favre

Moe says that when the dust settles, AR beats Big Ben in Big D.

Unless on Groundhog Day, Big Ben makes the packers see their own shadow.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 17, 2011 11:47 AM | Report abuse


Moe,

With 2 rings and a clutch-end-of-game-championship-winning-TD-drive under his belt, Big Ben is already "elite".

Posted by: p1funk | January 17, 2011 11:58 AM | Report abuse

dead

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 17, 2011 11:58 AM | Report abuse

So what are your thoughts on John Beck? Think he could be our QB of the future....wasn't he thrown to the wolves his rookie season in Miami?

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 17, 2011 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: psps23 | January 17, 2011 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Co-sign on everything you just said.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 17, 2011 11:03 AM |

Triple stamp it.

Posted by: Flounder21
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Good post-agreed.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | January 17, 2011 11:49 AM

You would have to be pretty thick headed not to agree with psps23's post.

Posted by: kerzon417 | January 17, 2011 12:04 PM | Report abuse

J E T S, JETS, JETS, JETS........

Sorry, had to get that out of my system....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 17, 2011 12:05 PM | Report abuse

I'd go a little further:


--settled quarterback situation
**** MAYBE #1 or #2, but we could wait til 2012 draft

--center ****agree, but we might use WMont or Klicht, FA for OG

--right guard/tackle ***resign JBrown

--Add LG ***No, we'll need only one FA, plus WM and KL

--nose tackle ***agree

--right defensive end ***agree

--inside linebacker ***agree FA

--Add OLB to compliment orakpo ***agree

--free safety ***agree

--dynamic wide receiver ***if price is right

--cornerback - After Carlos leaves, we'll need a starter here unless Barnes can step in. ***resign Los

--Add durable RB ***agree late rd or undrafted rookie

--Add FB w/greater speed, hands, blocking
*** Darrell Young


Yeah, it's a lot of moves. But we have two years IMO.

O line gets handled largely in FA with guys under 26. Should be no guess work here as they have played in the NFL for a couple f years and have shown their skills against talent at that level.

Draft goes to the D. We have to be able to stop the run and pressure the QB with our front 7. Let's go get them. ***agree

Back to FA for opportunistic acquisitions at FS, FB, LB depth, etc. And we are a lot more competitive than this year.

At least, that's one approach....


Posted by: edvar | January 17, 2011 11:10 AM | Report abuse

***I've added comments, but I agree for the most part.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 17, 2011 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: psps23 | January 17, 2011 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Co-sign on everything you just said.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 17, 2011 11:03 AM |

Triple stamp it.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 17, 2011 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Good post-agreed.

Posted by: ArmchairGM | January 17, 2011 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Quintuple Branded

Posted by: RomoLongballs | January 17, 2011 12:08 PM | Report abuse

If the skins really fell in love with one of the QBs in the draft and were willing to move up. I'm sure Carolina would consider trading back to #10 and recieving the skin's 2nd round choice this year. Then M. Shanahan could be like M. Ditka a few years back ... go play golf for the rest of the weekend...ohhh I forgot we do still have a 5th, 6th and 7th round selections.

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 17, 2011 12:09 PM | Report abuse

J E T S, JETS, JETS, JETS........

Sorry, had to get that out of my system....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 17, 2011 12:05 PM | Report abuse


Bean, I bet you were the only cheery-eyed soul standing in line at Dunkin Donuts this morning.

I have mixed feelings about the win. I'm always glad to see Belicheat get his and to see more of the shine taken off the golden boy.

But I also can't stand Rex Ryan and his fat mouth. It's a pretty tiresome act, IMO.

Let me guess, Rex...this game against Pittsburgh is "personal", right?

Posted by: p1funk | January 17, 2011 12:10 PM | Report abuse

BeantownGreg1

I caught The Town on dvd late Friday nite.

Why didn't you warn me that it was essentially a Red Sawx-Bahstun-Charlestown-Yawkey Way-Robbery-lovefest-flick?

(just jokin'--the movie was good because the main character wound up in Florida.)

And seeing how Dr. King was all about dreams, I'm watching Inception later on today to celebrate.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 17, 2011 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Since the CBA is technically gone, can the skins pull a Boston Celtics and draft Andrew Luck this year? What a coup that would be.

Posted by: psps23 | January 17, 2011 12:16 PM | Report abuse

p1funk

The norm for Shanny is to acquire a mid-career QB and develop them in his system.

This all makes me wonder why John Beck--and not Rex Grossman--didn't get to start the final 3 games of the year.

It would be funny if 3 year NFL vet Beck--and not some drafted kid--gets the chance to start next season with Rex as his back up.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 17, 2011 12:19 PM | Report abuse

p1, any time the pats lose, its a good day...any time they get their backsides handed to them, and can't act so smug, I'm a happy cat...

moe, I didn't think I had to spell it out like that.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 17, 2011 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Since the CBA is technically gone, can the skins pull a Boston Celtics and draft Andrew Luck this year? What a coup that would be.

Posted by: psps23 | January 17, 2011 12:16 PM | Report abuse


Interesting thought...do we even have to "draft" him?

Can we just sit down with him and hash out a contract?

Posted by: p1funk | January 17, 2011 12:19 PM | Report abuse

We're saying different things.

We agree on passing on DMac.

We disagree on keeping Campbell.

We already had Rex Grossman in the fold. If we were looking for a 1-2 year punching bag while we build up the rest of the team (what I would have done), we could have simply rolled with Grossman and brought in another Shanny re-tread (Simms? Ramsey?) to duke it out in a bum-fight for the starting job.

We could have also moved Campbell for a pick, further stockpiling our draft haul for the future.


Posted by: p1funk | January 17, 2011 11:43 AM | Report abuse

OK p1, I was for keeping JC for 1-2 more years, until we had more pieces in place. I feel that Sexy is a step down from JC. Sexy has too much of a TO problem to be #1 qb. He's fine as a #2. I would have kept JC and Sexy, and I think we still would have gone 6-10.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 17, 2011 12:21 PM | Report abuse

"He is considered among the league's best special teams coordinators".

---Yeah, one of the 32 best.

Posted by: trebor0012 | January 17, 2011 12:21 PM | Report abuse

As far a nose tackle I like A. Byrant..so either a 3-4 DE or outside LB with the 1st pick. Either resign J. Brown or sign Ryan Harris (FA Right Tackle) then strenghen one of the guard or center positions (is that person already here i.e. M. Williams or Cook?).

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 17, 2011 12:21 PM | Report abuse

p1funk

The norm for Shanny is to acquire a mid-career QB and develop them in his system.

This all makes me wonder why John Beck--and not Rex Grossman--didn't get to start the final 3 games of the year.

It would be funny if 3 year NFL vet Beck--and not some drafted kid--gets the chance to start next season with Rex as his back up.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 17, 2011 12:19 PM | Report abuse


I believe that Grossman was being evaluated as a back-up QB these last 3 games.

They already have Beck under contract for next year, but Grossman is a free agent.

I think they were making a decision as to whether they want to re-sign Grossman to be the backup or elevate Beck.

The starter will be neither if those guys.

Alex Smith jerseys will go on sale in a Redskins store near you...

Posted by: p1funk | January 17, 2011 12:25 PM | Report abuse

I loved watching Belicheat lose, but all that nonsense with Ryan and some of his fool players is going to cost them eventually. Probably against Pitt. Ryan is a colorful character like his dad, but when he hobbled down to congratulate Green on the touchdown, completely ignoring his UC penalty, that just sets a bad tone. Like he's encouraging stupid, selfish play.

Green could have cost them the game, as Brady drove the short field in about 50 seconds. And the Jets were lucky to recover the onside. A coach with sense would fine Green heavily for that foolishness.

Posted by: NYPDee | January 17, 2011 12:29 PM | Report abuse

So what are your thoughts on John Beck? Think he could be our QB of the future....wasn't he thrown to the wolves his rookie season in Miami?

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 17, 2011 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Beck turns 30 before the season starts. IF he hasn't jumped over Sexy by now, I'm not sure he is going to.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 17, 2011 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | January 17, 2011 11:43 AM | Report abuse

OK p1, I was for keeping JC for 1-2 more years, until we had more pieces in place. I feel that Sexy is a step down from JC. Sexy has too much of a TO problem to be #1 qb. He's fine as a #2. I would have kept JC and Sexy, and I think we still would have gone 6-10.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 17, 2011 12:21 PM | Report abuse


There's no reason to think that Jason Campbell, who would be learning the new Shanny system from scratch, would outperform Rex Grossman, who already had a year to absorb the scheme.

We've all seen what JC looks like in Year 1 of a new system...several times.

And since there would not have been an extension in store (remember JC was a restricted FA on a one-year tender), there's no reason to delay the inevitable and suffer through a re-run of Jason Campbell behind a new Oline trying to learn a new offense with new coaches.

...And I think Shanny agrees...

Posted by: p1funk | January 17, 2011 12:30 PM | Report abuse

There will be a lot of choices out there besides Alex Smith. JC could be available again ... ~grins~ Hasslebeck, Manning, Vick ...

Given what happened to Shanahan with Jake Plummer et al and generally post-Elway it behooves him to get an athletic veteran QB than can work with son-of-Shanny and Shanny.

In other words, if anyone has a T.O. complex its the Shanny's.

Posted by: periculum | January 17, 2011 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else watch yesterday's rivalry grudge-match between Pitt-Ravens and get a little heartache for our past? I did. The intensity, the mutual hatred, the desperation not to lose to your rival in the playoffs. It was palpable.

Then I got a little fired up as I realized what looser-mentality fans we have become, talking about little victories like rooting for the Cowgirls to finish 4th to our 3rd in the division or having better draft position. Or hoping we catch the Gints or Iggles at a time of weakness so we can have a better chance of beating them IF we play a great game.

No more.

I want to see a strong division. I want the Cowboys in the 2nd round of the playoffs with all their starters healthy. I want the Iggles to draft 6 more D Jax and the Gints to get stronger on their DL. BECAUSE I WANT TO ENJOY SNUFFING OUT THEIR SEASONS WHEN THEY GIVE US THEIR BEST AND WE CRUSH THEM!

God, I'm sick of losing these SJK-off teams.

HTTR!!

Posted by: RomoLongballs | January 17, 2011 12:34 PM | Report abuse

This all makes me wonder why John Beck--and not Rex Grossman--didn't get to start the final 3 games of the year.

It would be funny if 3 year NFL vet Beck--and not some drafted kid--gets the chance to start next season with Rex as his back up.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 17, 2011 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Moe,

I think Shanahan wanted someone in the QB position who was well versed in the "Houston offense" and he really wanted a chance to see why our offense SUCKED for most of the season. Grossman gave us the ability to focus on the other 10 players when the offense was on the field. And I will say again the offense never seemed to be more in synch or flowed as good during the season as it did during the second cowboy game (2nd half). I think John Beck will get the chance during preseason to show that under the right system that he can exceed. Unless, there is a flaw (i.e. R. Mirer when he was with Seattle) where he was only good on one side of the field.

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 17, 2011 12:35 PM | Report abuse

As far a nose tackle I like A. Byrant..so either a 3-4 DE or outside LB with the 1st pick. Either resign J. Brown or sign Ryan Harris (FA Right Tackle) then strenghen one of the guard or center positions (is that person already here i.e. M. Williams or Cook?).

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 17, 2011 12:21 PM | Report abuse

I'm not ready to say tha ABryant is our NT. Dude was drafted in 2005, started 3 game in 2006 and 3 games in 2010. 6 starts, 15 games active in 5 seasons. I have to really wonder if he can hold up for a whole season. I still think we need a NT.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 17, 2011 12:35 PM | Report abuse

There's no reason to think that Jason Campbell, who would be learning the new Shanny system from scratch, would outperform Rex Grossman, who already had a year to absorb the scheme.

We've all seen what JC looks like in Year 1 of a new system...several times.

And since there would not have been an extension in store (remember JC was a restricted FA on a one-year tender), there's no reason to delay the inevitable and suffer through a re-run of Jason Campbell behind a new Oline trying to learn a new offense with new coaches.

...And I think Shanny agrees...

Posted by: p1funk | January 17, 2011 12:30 PM | Report abuse

You're right, p1, JC was a RFA. I forgot about that. At the time, I still thought they should give JC a 1 year audition, to see how he would fit in.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 17, 2011 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Once upon a time, Vinny Cerrato and Daniel Snyder wanted to make a move to add either Mark Sanchez or Jay Cutler.

Redskin fans howled.

Yet, two years later, both quarterbacks--playing behind fairly so-so offensive lines, btw--are playing in their conference's respective championship games.

So who was right and wrong about adding gunslingin' young charismatic quarterbacks (Sanchez/Cutler)--the fans or Snyderatto?

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 17, 2011 9:44 AM

And which one of these guys plays with a #30 ranked defense?

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 17, 2011 12:40 PM | Report abuse

I say lets just offer A. Reid all of our draft picks for this year for Kevin Kolb? Who's with me here?

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 17, 2011 12:45 PM | Report abuse

So who was right and wrong about adding gunslingin' young charismatic quarterbacks (Sanchez/Cutler)--the fans or Snyderatto?

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 17, 2011 9:44 AM

And which one of these guys plays with a #30 ranked defense?

Moe,

Just the way things have been going aroud here the last few years I don't think the redkins would have been better off with either QB. With our luck both would have been knocked out for the season and or seasons(i.e. Detroit with its young QB) because we are the redskins. Offensive line that has too many holes and was aging significantly. You can see the difference with Cutler when he gets pressure and not.

We are simply cursed as an organization...strictly a dumping ground for players wanting larger paychecks, or fill out Dannys/Vinny's fantasy football roster.

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 17, 2011 12:55 PM | Report abuse

reading all these posts ... OK some of these posts ... makes me want to keep it simple.

You can win with an average QB.

You can't win with bad lines.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 17, 2011 1:05 PM | Report abuse

It would be great for the redskin nation if Albert Haynesworth had a change of heart and he decided he would be a player this upcoming season. How would a 3-4 line of Hayneworth, Bryant and Carricker be?

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 17, 2011 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Cutler would have cost us Orakpo, Trent Williams, Landry, and Cooley. Not to mention that if Cutler was here then DHall wouldn't be in the pro bowl this YR.

Sanchez also benefits from a top 3 OL and defense which is clearly something we lack.

Three of the Four teams still playing run a 3-4 Defense.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 17, 2011 1:10 PM | Report abuse


You can win with an average QB.

You can't win with bad lines.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 17, 2011 1:05 PM |
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cosign

SAVE THE WHALES!!!

Posted by: hessone | January 17, 2011 1:11 PM | Report abuse

reading all these posts ... OK some of these posts ... makes me want to keep it simple.

You can win with an average QB.

You can't win with bad lines.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 17, 2011 1:05 PM | Report abuse

I agree. The Jets were getting it done with a 3-man rush and very little blitzing. We need better OLB and free safety play....which would help greatly for next year. Or better yet swith to a 4-3 system and let Orakapo play his more "gifted" position as a defensive end.

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 17, 2011 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Several sites reporting that Favre has filed his retirement paperwork. Does that mean he is definitely coming back next year?

Posted by: kerzon417 | January 17, 2011 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Cutler would have cost us Orakpo, Trent Williams, Landry, and Cooley. Not to mention that if Cutler was here then DHall wouldn't be in the pro bowl this YR.

Sanchez also benefits from a top 3 OL and defense which is clearly something we lack.

Three of the Four teams still playing run a 3-4 Defense.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 17, 2011 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Dies, Cutler also benefits from a top-rated D.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 17, 2011 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Three of the Four teams still playing run a 3-4 Defense.

In a year or two everybody will rave about the 4-3 defense.

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 17, 2011 1:21 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest1

You can win with an average QB....You can't win with bad lines.


Mark Sanchez--the second year player in his 6th playoff game is proof of that.

All that notwithstanding, we can't keep operating like the redskin offensive line isn't being 'fixed'.

3 of the 5 players who finished the season on our offensive line--Williams, Litchensteiger, Montgomery--were 1st time starters.

And predictably, they got handled from time to time against solid lines in NY, MINN, and Dallas.

But we did see 100 yards in rushing and 300 yard passing in those games: meaning the young,developing line can be productive.

(Maybe if the quarterbacking improves, we see W's the Fall)

Too, the same fans who have no patience watching these players develop want to replace them with other young players who'll also have to develope.

The redskin offensive line is not the best, but is being fixed.

Add a center, soldify the right tackle spot, add guard depth, and we're on the road to recovery with that group.

It's the defensive line that is the real issue with this team.

Our 3-4 switch failed without a true NT and Right d-end.

Strong d-line pressure is what'll fix a 30th ranked defense, and that, btw, is not a unique perpsective.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 17, 2011 1:24 PM | Report abuse

kerz, I think he filed in 08, and 09 as well, so perhaps much ado over nothing....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 17, 2011 1:25 PM | Report abuse

though i seldom post, whenever i see the mindless blathering going on about little-to-nothing here (danoskins and wash. sportsteams), i am amazed and confused. how is it that so many, have so little to do? 'must all be govt. workers wasting time at taxpayers expense! - that is what wash. is famous for - sportsteams? -- infamous!

Posted by: duru44 | January 17, 2011 1:26 PM | Report abuse


Cutler would have cost us Orakpo, Trent Williams, Landry, and Cooley. Not to mention that if Cutler was here then DHall wouldn't be in the pro bowl this YR.

Sanchez also benefits from a top 3 OL and defense which is clearly something we lack.

Three of the Four teams still playing run a 3-4 Defense.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 17, 2011 1:10 PM |
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nice 44, gotta stay away from the big deals and move with stealth in drafting and FA's

thank god we didn't trade for cutler.

Posted by: hessone | January 17, 2011 1:27 PM | Report abuse

With the 160th pick 5th round,The Washington Redskins select.....TYROD TAYLOR QB FROM V TECH.

Posted by: unvvr | January 17, 2011 1:31 PM | Report abuse

goose

In a year or two everybody will rave about the 4-3 defense.

Doubt it.

It's easier to find athletes for the 3-4 than the 4-3.

I'd say we'll see more hybrid types looks: for example, the jets played some looks with two defensive ends, no NT, and linebackers lined up in "A" gaps.

The Packers dropped Raji into coverage like he was a MLB.

Hybrid looks with elite athletes playing multiple roles is the future of NFL defense, especially as passing continues to dominate.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 17, 2011 1:31 PM | Report abuse


It's the defensive line that is the real issue with this team.

Our 3-4 switch failed without a true NT and Right d-end.

Strong d-line pressure is what'll fix a 30th ranked defense, and that, btw, is not a unique perpsective.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 17, 2011 1:24 PM |
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I like your way of thinking moe. d-line at # 10, then more d-line and o-line the rest of the way, unless an olb pops up that common sense says we can't pass up

Posted by: hessone | January 17, 2011 1:35 PM | Report abuse

hessone

There are a couple of very solid NTs and Olbs in this draft.

The Heyward kid from Ohio State is impressive as is Iowa's Clayburn: two defensive ends.

I'd take a NT, linebacker, D-END, from the draft, and add a FA defensive tackle.

We should keep V Holliday and start Bryant.

Golston is a back up as is Kemo.

Daniels is gone.

AH is a joke.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 17, 2011 1:41 PM | Report abuse

goose

In a year or two everybody will rave about the 4-3 defense.

Doubt it.

It's easier to find athletes for the 3-4 than the 4-3.

I'd say we'll see more hybrid types looks: for example, the jets played some looks with two defensive ends, no NT, and linebackers lined up in "A" gaps.

The Packers dropped Raji into coverage like he was a MLB.

Hybrid looks with elite athletes playing multiple roles is the future of NFL defense, especially as passing continues to dominate.

Posted by: MistaMoe

There isn't a sharp dividing line between 3-4 and 4-3. Lots of 3-4 teams put a 4th player on the line, though they move him around a lot. And 4-3 teams will sometimes drop a lineman into coverage.

Which is why I'm not convinced that we couldn't run a 3-4 with Carter and Orakpo as the DEs. There is a ton of innovation still to go. Could there be a 3-4 variant that has speed on the edges and size in the middle? Lo' or Golston as a ILB? Heck, with LL30, maybe we run a 3-5.

As for it being easier to find 3-4 players vs 4-3 -- I don't agree. When only a few teams ran the 3-4, it was easier. But with half the league running it, its harder to find an NT. And you really need 2, since NTs usually aren't every down kind of guys.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 17, 2011 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Three of the Four teams still playing run a 3-4 Defense.

Posted by: Diesel44

and last year's two SB teams played a 4-3.

Both defenses work. I prefer a 4-3 for us, mostly because of our personnel and I think its a better defense for the NFC East. \

I wouldn't reject going to a 3-4 if it made sense. In our case, the benefit didn't outweigh the risk.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 17, 2011 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 17, 2011 2:07 PM | Report abuse

It's the defensive line that is the real issue with this team.

Our 3-4 switch failed without a true NT and Right d-end.

Strong d-line pressure is what'll fix a 30th ranked defense, and that, btw, is not a unique perpsective.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 17, 2011 1:24 PM |
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I like your way of thinking moe. d-line at # 10, then more d-line and o-line the rest of the way, unless an olb pops up that common sense says we can't pass up

Posted by: hessone | January 17, 2011 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Cosign!!

This is not a good qb draft anyway.

At 10 if I would pick these guys in this order if available with 1 being 1st choice and so on:
1.Marcell Dareus, DE/DT, ‘Bama

2.Nick Fairley,DE/DT, Auburn

3.Da’Quan Bowers, DE, Clemson

4.Patrick Peterson, CB, LSU

5.Prince Amukamara, CB, NE

I know you guys will be saying what about oline, 2nd or 3rd round. And maybe we get a 2nd round pick for DM5 and Fat A.

We must beef up our Dline to compete. The four teams left all have a good pass rush.

Posted by: rodskin | January 17, 2011 2:20 PM | Report abuse

When I watch the Playoffs what I see is Two Teams (Chicago & Green Bay) playing for a visit to this year Super Bowl....Now didn't the Redskins beat both of these two teams this Season? I for One don't believe the Redskins are that far away from teams like the Bears & Packers(Maybe a QB?)....just seems like easy to talk negative all the time.....Three Cheers for the Redskins....2011 will be their Year.....

Posted by: CaptainJenkins04 | January 17, 2011 2:26 PM | Report abuse

I am amazed at the incredible insight of some of our bloggers.
HELLO! Andrew Luck announced over a week ago that he is returning to school next fall. So I imagine that it may be kind of difficult to draft him this year. Just sayin'

Posted by: StevefromSacto | January 17, 2011 2:32 PM | Report abuse

I am amazed at the incredible insight of some of our bloggers.
HELLO! Andrew Luck announced over a week ago that he is returning to school next fall. So I imagine that it may be kind of difficult to draft him this year. Just sayin'

Posted by: StevefromSacto | January 17, 2011 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: rodskin | January 17, 2011 2:20 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sold on Da'Quan Bowers. I'd rather have A.J. Green as #3. I'd probably have Adrian Claiborne and Cameron Heyward as #6 and #7 though.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 17, 2011 2:43 PM | Report abuse

When I watch the Playoffs what I see is Two Teams (Chicago & Green Bay) playing for a visit to this year Super Bowl....Now didn't the Redskins beat both of these two teams this Season? I for One don't believe the Redskins are that far away from teams like the Bears & Packers(Maybe a QB?)....just seems like easy to talk negative all the time.....Three Cheers for the Redskins....2011 will be their Year.....

Posted by: CaptainJenkins04 |

Thanks Captain! I agree...Let's go skins!!

Posted by: rodskin | January 17, 2011 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Bowers is a 4-3 DE. He'll blow up at the combine. Sub 4.6 40 and he'll be in the discussion at #1 overall.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 17, 2011 2:48 PM | Report abuse

I am amazed at the incredible insight of some of our bloggers.
HELLO! Andrew Luck announced over a week ago that he is returning to school next fall. So I imagine that it may be kind of difficult to draft him this year. Just sayin'

Posted by: StevefromSacto | January 17, 2011 2:34 PM | Report abuse

That is a very good thing for us! WE SHOULD DEF NOT WASTE A PICK ON A QB THIS YEAR AND DRAFT TO FILL OTHER HOLES!

TRADE PLAYERS AND PICKS(MOVE DOWN) THIS YEAR FOR HIGH DRAFT PICKS IN 2012! THAT WAY WE HAVE THE AMMO TO MAKE SURE WE LAND THE BEST QB THE DRAFT HAS SEEN SINCE P. MANNING, ANDREW LUCK!

I PRAY WE DO NOT WASTE A DRAFT PICK ON THE FUTURE BUST, JAMARCUS RUSSEL JR CAM NEWTON!

CAM COULDNT EVEN CARRY TIM TEBOW'S JOCK IN THE COLLEGE "SPREAD" OFFENSE WHAT MAKES ANYONE THINK HE WOULD EVEN COME CLOSE TO TEBOW IN THE PRO'S!

MY BET IS WE TRADE MCJOKE,FAT AL, A FRANCHISED MCINTOSH AND LOS ROGERS, MAYBE CP AND "SLEEPY" DAVIS FOR HIGH DRAFT PICKS IN 2012 MAYBE A 1ST AND OR A 2ND! SHANNY WILL DO EVERYTHING HE CAN TO LAND "THE NEXT YOUNG SAM BRADFORD" ANDREW LUCK

I HOPE WE CAN TRADE DOWN FROM 10 FOR SOME PICKS NEXT YEAR AND DRAFT RB MARK INGRAM IN THE 1ST AND IN THE 2ND DRAFT WR MICHAEL FLOYD! TRY TO ADD A 3RD OR 4TH PICK AND DRAFT MLB CASEY MATTHEWS TO LEARN BEHIND LONDON FLETCHER FOR A YEAR AND PICK UP A NT IN THE 5TH!

ALL OF OUR HOLES ON THE OLINE CAN BE FILLED WITH VERY GOOD YOUNG FA'S! THERE WILL BE OVER 400 GOOD YOUNG FA'S UNDER THE AGE OF 27! I WOULD LOVE TO SEE US ADD CB Nnamdi Asomugha, ALSO BRING BACK CHAMP BAILEY, ADD A OLB AND A ILB LIKE AJ HAWK AND MAYBE TRY TO MAKE A TRADE FOR DE CHRIS LONG IF WE CAN GET HIM CHEAP LIKE WE DID WITH CARRIKER BUT MOVE HIM TO OLB! HTTR!!!

Posted by: warriorking111285 | January 17, 2011 2:53 PM | Report abuse

I'm not ready to say tha ABryant is our NT. Dude was drafted in 2005, started 3 game in 2006 and 3 games in 2010. 6 starts, 15 games active in 5 seasons. I have to really wonder if he can hold up for a whole season. I still think we need a NT.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 17, 2011 12:35 PM

Agreed.

Besides, you need more than one of those 330+ pounders anyway. They were down in the 4th Quarter - and more so late in the season.

Posted by: edvar | January 17, 2011 2:55 PM | Report abuse

I WOULD LOVE FOR US TO DUMP RABACH AND ADD RAIDERS C SATELE! HE IS YOUNG QUICK AMD SAMOAN!

Posted by: warriorking111285 | January 17, 2011 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: rodskin | January 17, 2011 2:20 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sold on Da'Quan Bowers. I'd rather have A.J. Green as #3. I'd probably have Adrian Claiborne and Cameron Heyward as #6 and #7 though.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 17, 2011 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Yeh, I hear ya PA AJ Green is a beast, but for the skins needs "only" I didn't have em in my top five. But I think many mocks have em going in the top5.

I thought Fairley looked good, but do you think he would do well in a 3-4?

Posted by: rodskin | January 17, 2011 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Warriorking wrote:ALL OF OUR HOLES ON THE OLINE CAN BE FILLED WITH VERY GOOD YOUNG FA'S! THERE WILL BE OVER 400 GOOD YOUNG FA'S UNDER THE AGE OF 27! I WOULD LOVE TO SEE US ADD CB Nnamdi Asomugha, ALSO BRING BACK CHAMP BAILEY, ADD A OLB AND A ILB LIKE AJ HAWK AND MAYBE TRY TO MAKE A TRADE FOR DE CHRIS LONG IF WE CAN GET HIM CHEAP LIKE WE DID WITH CARRIKER BUT MOVE HIM TO OLB! HTTR!!!

Yeah, and maybe we can make a move for Peyton Manning and Adrian Peterson. Maybe bring in Patrick Willis and Ed Reed too. Dude, you're clueless.

Everybody says we need a franchise qb. Well, we had that this year and we blew it. The o-line stunk, but was improving by year's end and MC5 was on pace for over 4000 yards. And that's with 1 and a half wide receivers, a good tight end and a mediocre running game that featured a practice squad player for most of the season.

If we hadn't screwed over MC5 we'd be talking about drafting either the best 0-lineman on the board or continuing to build an already solid defense. Screw Newton and the mizzou kid that nobody'd heard of before last Tuesday lol. Locker I like, but at ten that's nuts. We need to be more like the Ravens anyway.

MC5 would have given us stability at the most important position on the field. And as Henry Hill said in Good Fellas, "And now it's all over. When I order spaghetti it's ketchup and egg noodles." Last year I had hope. Now, I'm back to the Jim Zorn era.

Posted by: Skinsem | January 17, 2011 3:13 PM | Report abuse

I thought Fairley looked good, but do you think he would do well in a 3-4?

Posted by: rodskin | January 17, 2011 2:58 PM | Report abuse

I was wondering the same thing and almost took him off my list. I haven't seen enough of him to make an opinion but hopefully we don't have to find out.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 17, 2011 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Fairley could play in either scheme. DT in 4-3 or DE in 3-4.

No need to even discuss him. He'll be off the board by #3.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 17, 2011 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Fairley could play in either scheme. DT in 4-3 or DE in 3-4.

No need to even discuss him. He'll be off the board by #3.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 17, 2011 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Some scouts are saying he's a 1 gap pass rusher like Big Al and can't play the run well enough to be a 3-4 DE. I don't know if I agree with that but I do agree that he won't be around at #10 anyway. Personally, I think that's better for us. I like Marcell Dareus more than any other prospect in the draft.

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 17, 2011 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Moe, the atmosphere was so toxic under Snyderatto, BOTH Cutler and Sanchez would have turned out flops..We're a little shaky in player relations but overall the Shannys are a definite improvement..

Wall's Wizards are on their way to greatness, with Gilbert gone, now both JW and the Wiz are growing freely..Happy Saint MLK Day, everybody..

Posted by: frak | January 17, 2011 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Marcell Dareus might not be around either. He'll be the 2nd DL taken and teams like Cle, SF, and Tenn may grab him.

Hopefully we can send a certain DT to Tenn for a pick to satisfy their need.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 17, 2011 3:37 PM | Report abuse

We're taking Jake Locker at 10, no need in even discussing this.

Book It.

If I'm wrong I'll eat a crow sandwich.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 17, 2011 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Fairley and AJ won't be around at 10. Julio Jones might be, though. There is no QB worth the 10 pick.

Would like to see them trade down and get picks

Posted by: CBT2 | January 17, 2011 3:59 PM | Report abuse

So Teflon Danny lives to coach another year, huh? I have never seen what others around the league think is so wonderful about this guy. Somebody please enlighten me.

Posted by: LeeM9308 | January 17, 2011 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Here's my Marcell Dareus mock:

#1 CAR-Nick Fairly
#2 DEN-Patrick Peterson
#3 BUF-Blaine Gabbert
#4 CIN-A.J. Green
#5 ARI-Robert Quinn
#6 CLE-Da'Quan Bowers
#7 SF-Cam Newton
#8 TEN-Jake Locker
#9 DAL-Prince Amukamara
#10 WAS Marcell Dareus

Hey, it could happen!!!

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 17, 2011 4:16 PM | Report abuse

edvar

--inside linebacker--Add OLB to compliment orakpo

I'm of a mind that out of RobJax, Robert Henson, Lorenzo Alexander, and Perry Riley we'll find an inside linebacker and outside linebacker.

Remember: improved d-line pressure improves linebacker play.

The jets had some unknown dude who ate Logan Mankins' lunch yesterday: and adding stud, athletic defensive lineman will totally improve our defense.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 17, 2011 11:23 AM
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agreed... henson has having a killer preseason before getting hurt... robjax looks like a part time guy... perry riley will end up being a very good 3-4 lb...

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | January 17, 2011 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | January 17, 2011 4:22 PM | Report abuse

So Teflon Danny lives to coach another year, huh? I have never seen what others around the league think is so wonderful about this guy. Somebody please enlighten me.
Posted by: LeeM9308

Were you around for the LeCharles McDaniel years? If so, you must see the improvement in attention to detail. I think Smith is solid. His coverage units have been good. If Gano spends a lot of time with a sports psych in the offseason, and Bidwell gets well, we could see a huge improvement in the kicking game next season.

Posted by: NYPDee | January 17, 2011 4:24 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins HUGE mistake wasn't failing to trade for Sanchez or Cutler. It was taking Carlos Rogers instead of Aaron Rodgers when they had the chance.

That's on Gibbs and Cerrato. (I hope Vinny wasn't in such a hurry to get the draft card to the Commish that he mis-spelled the name on the card).

Posted by: hapster | January 17, 2011 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Happy Martin Luther King day to all! And I'm getting comfortable with the thought of Shanny drafting Locker. For some irrational reason I think it will work.

Posted by: coparker5 | January 17, 2011 4:48 PM | Report abuse

hapster-

Campbell was their choice when they traded for the 25th pick weeks before the draft...Even if Rodgers was still on the board.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 17, 2011 4:54 PM | Report abuse

If I'm A.J. Hawk, I take less money to stay with GB than come to the dysfuntional Redskins. Not that A.J. Hawk is all that as a player or playmaker. Of the quality FA's that hit the market, I believe most will choose to go to or stay in good situations rather than take Danny's money and suffer in Redskin he//.

Posted by: coparker5 | January 17, 2011 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Rodgers went a few picks before Campbell. But they could have had Rodgers instead of CR22. Isn't it a bit scary that they focused on Campbell rather than Rodgers?

Posted by: hapster | January 17, 2011 4:59 PM | Report abuse

The other facts are that the skins are picking 10th in a draft where one NFL expert (former GM) stated 8 teams could select a QB. If the skins braintrust believe Locker is their QB then what about the other teams...Arizona, 49ers, Titans, Bills, etc.just to name a few of the top teams in the draft?

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 17, 2011 11:44 AM | Report abuse


Eight teams ahead of us that need quarterbacks...really? Ok, well lets look at it first.

1# Carolina Panthers- Never wanted to get a no.1 quarterback in the draft (this team is legendary for being cheap, just ask Julius Peepers), and now that Luck is not in the draft. There off the hook. Not drafting a quarterback with no.1.

2# Denver- Has a developmental project in Tebow, they just spent 1st round money on. Not going to do it again a year after.

3# Buffalo- MIght get a guy that can sell tickets like Cam Newton, but already have a pretty good one in Fitzpatrick. But I'll give you this one.

4# Cincinnati-Might replace Carson Palmer, but defiantly not going to do it this year, with a team built to "win now". But ok I give you this one as well.

5# Arizona- They have there quarterback of the future in place in John Skelton, who they like. He's just not ready to lead this time right now. They'll add a free agent veteran, which throughout there history is when they had the most success. But fine I'll give you this one as well.

6# Cleveland- They like Colt McCoy on this team. There not going to invest a 1st round pick this year in a guy that might not even beat him out down the line. Not going to happen.

7# San Fran- There just off of the Alex Smith experiment and I really doubt they'll invest another first round pick in another quarterback. Will probably get a Vet and draft a lower level guy to develop. But ok I'll give you this one as well.

8# Tenn- Ok, I can see them getting Cam Newton or Blaine Gabbert with this pick.

9# Dallas- Come on man. Not happening.

Ok, with me giving a few unlikies. There is 5 teams that are in need of a quarterback ahead of us. Realistically there is only two quarterbacks going before us. In the draft every year there is a quarterback thats suppose to go top 10. That drops in the draft. And this year wont be different.

Posted by: culprit59 | January 17, 2011 5:00 PM | Report abuse

anyone else noticed that the jets and ravens both played a bunch of 4-3 also...

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | January 17, 2011 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Rodgers went a few picks before Campbell. But they could have had Rodgers instead of CR22. Isn't it a bit scary that they focused on Campbell rather than Rodgers?

Posted by: hapster | January 17, 2011 4:59 PM

Rodgers went 24th..

I wish that offseason trip to Auburn never happened. Rogers @ 9 and Campbell @ 25.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 17, 2011 5:07 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Flounder21 | January 17, 2011 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Ok, with me giving a few unlikies. There is 5 teams that are in need of a quarterback ahead of us. Realistically there is only two quarterbacks going before us. In the draft every year there is a quarterback thats suppose to go top 10. That drops in the draft. And this year wont be different.

Posted by: culprit59 | January 17, 2011 5:00 PM | Report abuse

I think there is a difference between having a somewhat functional QB or having the ability to draft a potential franchise QB. Out of the 4 young QBs available in this years draft 3 of them will be off the board before Redskins pick at #10. The skins will have to decide if the 6'6" or 6'7" kid (R. Mallett) is ellusive enough to survive and make good decisions in/out of the pocket. When A. Luck was rumered to be the 1st pick in the draft Carolina which already has 3 QBs was not going to let a player of Lucks ability to go. So its just a matter if Cam Newton, Blaine Gabbert or Jake Locker is seen as having the intangibles that would make them look better than a J. Claussen (Panthers), Fitzpatrick (Bills), Colt McCoy (Browns), etc.

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 17, 2011 6:08 PM | Report abuse

i've always wondered what it's like to root for a team with an elite QB

maybe one day we'll get one again and i'll see what it's like

Posted by: retroskins14 | January 17, 2011 6:27 PM | Report abuse

1# Carolina Panthers- Never wanted to get a no.1 quarterback in the draft (this team is legendary for being cheap, just ask Julius Peepers)

Posted by: culprit59 | January 17, 2011 5:00 PM


Gosh, I wish his name really were Julius Peepers. The already enjoyable NFL would be at least 5% more fun.

Posted by: freakzilla | January 17, 2011 6:33 PM | Report abuse

@NYPDee - were YOU around for the "Student Body Left" fake field goal - TWICE? And lotsa "Ifs" in your defense of Teflon Danny. The players sound like they love him but from my perspective there always seems to be way too much wackiness and inconsistency on Skins Special Teams.

Posted by: LeeM9308 | January 17, 2011 6:35 PM | Report abuse

@NYPDee - were YOU around for the "Student Body Left" fake field goal - TWICE? And lotsa "Ifs" in your defense of Teflon Danny. The players sound like they love him but from my perspective there always seems to be way too much wackiness and inconsistency on Skins Special Teams.

Posted by: LeeM9308 | January 17, 2011 6:35 PM |

The special teams coach does not call fake anythings that is the head coach, so don't blame Danny Smith for calls that Zorn made.

Theres not one special teams coach in the league that can call a fake punt or FG or onside kick without the head coach saying it's OK.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 17, 2011 6:39 PM | Report abuse

i've always wondered what it's like to root for a team with an elite QB

maybe one day we'll get one again and i'll see what it's like


Posted by: retroskins14 | January 17, 2011 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Its real easy...just finish in last place this upcoming season then will be able to draft an elite QB (Luck maybe??).

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 17, 2011 6:42 PM | Report abuse

There is 5 teams that are in need of a quarterback ahead of us.

Posted by: culprit59 | January 17, 2011 5:00 PM | Report abuse

What's even more relevant to Skins fan is that there are 3 teams in the immediate 6 picks after the Skins that could very well look to get a qb....Minn @ 12, Dolphins @ 15, and Jags @ 16. SO if there is a qb that the Skins FO like, trading back to get better value may not be an option.

Posted by: TWISI | January 17, 2011 6:50 PM | Report abuse

And one of those teams could very well trade into the top 10 selection in order to secure a young QB. Blaine Gabbert will not get past 3# Buffalo- even with the good play of Fitzpatrick this last season. The Bills have always been looking for the next Jim Kelly.

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 17, 2011 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Rodgers went a few picks before Campbell. But they could have had Rodgers instead of CR22. Isn't it a bit scary that they focused on Campbell rather than Rodgers?

Posted by: hapster | January 17, 2011 4:59 PM

Rodgers went 24th..

I wish that offseason trip to Auburn never happened. Rogers @ 9 and Campbell @ 25.

Posted by: Diesel44
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With the benefit of 20/20 hindsight, I wonder why so many teams apparently missed on Aaron Rodgers - I assume there were several that wanted a QB that could've had him... Why was nothing seen on film or in all the other qualification efforts that would've indicated he could be this good, that would've had him taken in the top 10 etc? I guess I'd have the same question re Brady, albeit more emphatically.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 17, 2011 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Unit Analysis: The Redskins OL Performed Better than you Thought in 2010

Written by Greg Trippiedi | 17 January 2011

One of the most maligned units on the Redskins offense was the group up front. This isn't anything new for Washington fans. Our last glimpse of a competent unit in the trenches on the offensive side of the ball came during the team's dominant 4-1 start in the 2008 season. Then the offensive line declined into oblivion. This lasted 11 consecutive games in 2008, the better part of 16 games in 2009 (there were some acceptable performances at home after Sherm Lewis joined the staff), and into the 2010 season. That's a very long time to have a poor offensive line. We're talking near 2 full seasons and change.

When Mike Shanahan took the Washington Redskins' coaching job, he put his mouth in a lot of places speaking of organization-wide evalutation and improvement...but the offensive line was one of the few places where Shanahan put his organizations' money as well. The team did not beat around the bush in selecting Oklahoma OT Trent Williams to be the franchise cornerstone at left tackle. They also signed Kory Lichtensteiger and Artis Hicks, traded for Jammal Brown from the Saints. This unit was to be different from all the others.

With below average sack rates this season, it did not seem like the Redskins had accomplished this goal. However, between a multi-year analysis of the Redskins offensive skills and schemes, and a cursory look at advanced statistics, we can conclude a couple of things:

The Redskins offensive line (and tight ends and running backs) protected passers Donovan McNabb and Rex Grossman better than the same units had protected Jason Campbell and Todd Collins in 2008 or 2009.
The improvement has some statistical significance, and was not a complete fluke.
A Walk Through Recent OL History
The biggest improvement was that this Redskins line rarely blew it's assignments, something that could not be said of other Redskins lines. The 2008 line had a tendency of confusing itself in the second half of the year, when Clinton Portis was not playing in third down packages. The biggest problem with that unit was when Campbell thought he had a zone blitz or a free rusher picked up, and the Redskins line would fail to sort the protection correctly. This lead to some of the worst possible situations a passing offense can have: no receivers adjusting their routes and a quarterback who is trusting his line to handle a rush, and then the line letting one or two defenders through untouched. The bane of the 2008 Redskins were 4 and 5 man rushes: Campbell killed 6 man blitzes that season, but defenses could use line stunts to confuse the Redskins OL, so they needed not to come so aggressively after Campbell to get free rushers.

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Posted by: Diesel44 | January 17, 2011 7:12 PM | Report abuse

The problem in 2009 was far different. The Redskins began to throw passes quicker with Campbell under duress, letting a player like Antwaan Randle El sight adjust the blitz and give Campbell an outlet to throw. This Redskins team seemed to prefer 5 man protections and quick throws (or dump-offs) prior to a hit on the quarterback. When Chris Samuels got hurt, teams adjusted to this by rushing just three guys at the Redskins and playing zone coverage behind it. This offensive protection unit was so bad that it could not, for most of the season, pick up 3 rushers with 5 blockers. Everyone was to blame. Jim Zorn's protection schemes were ineffective, Joe Bugel's personnel choices on the offensive line were baffling, and Vinny Cerrato stacked the unit with a bunch of talent that should never have made an NFL roster. Campbell made the problem worse by moving around frantically in an already shaky pocket, though I have never felt the need to criticize Jason Campbell for taking a no-win situation and making it worse (if that makes me a Campbell apologist, then guilty as charged). Todd Collins participated as a walking turnover in three games that season. The Redskins later were able to create their own passing offense by turning their own blown protections against the opponent, creating open receivers as a result of over-aggressive rushes, so it wasn't all bad. As soon as the Redskins figured out how to produce offense without protecting the passer, they fired the entire offensive coaching staff and a large part of the front office.

At different points in the last three years, the Redskins have been unable to read a moving defensive front and unable to successfully protect against a three man rush. One could argue it is improvement, then, if the 2010 offensive line made those problems go away. They accomplished this feat, and then some.

Offensive Line Performance in 2010

This year's offensive line had a couple things going for it. First of all, when Donovan McNabb entered as Redskins quarterback this season, he did so with an imbedded knowledge of complex protection schemes that the Shanahan's would be utilizing from all of his years in Philadelphia. McNabb, as well, is far less sensative to A gap pressure as is the average quarterback (but far more sensitive to pressure off the edges), so the Redskins spent their resources to give him bookend tackles, then trusted McNabb to make it all work with some willing lightweights in front of him. Lining up with Clinton Portis in the backfield is also an invaluable resource for protection purposes.

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Posted by: Diesel44 | January 17, 2011 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 17, 2011 7:16 PM | Report abuse

My thoughts while watching the playoffs is why in the hell didn't Dan Snyder hire Rex Ryan's twin brother instead of Mike Shanahan?

We're screwed!

Posted by: lacy41 | January 17, 2011 7:39 PM | Report abuse

nice link diesel, agree more seasoning and a new center would go along way with this line

Posted by: hcic55 | January 17, 2011 7:41 PM | Report abuse

The special teams coach does not call fake anythings that is the head coach, so don't blame Danny Smith for calls that Zorn made.

Theres not one special teams coach in the league that can call a fake punt or FG or onside kick without the head coach saying it's OK.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 17, 2011 6:39 PM | Report abuse


Patrick Chung is apparently allowed to call his own fake punts for NE...

...go figure...

Posted by: p1funk | January 17, 2011 7:43 PM | Report abuse

conclusion to the article:

"The Redskins need to look to improve their 2010 season in the trenches with their 2011 performance, but with young players across the line, and only one major hole to fill on the interior, the immediate future of this offensive line is bright, a large improvement after such a dim recent history, as outlined above."


Ummm, I agree the OL was improved in 2010, but that's not praise since our OL was the worst in football in '09. We had relatively few times the D came clean to hit our QBs compared to '09 ... that alone was a huge difference.

We're still pretty far down. I looked at our games down the stretch and I think they looked better than they were. The last 6 games, these were the stats of our leading rusher:

Davis, 6 for 11yds
Davis, 9 for 40
Torain 24 for 172 (18 for 158 in 1st half)
Torain 11 for 53
Torain 20 for 65
Torain 18 for 61

The one anomaly is the game vs Tampa -- and that was really just the 1st half. Otherwise, we didn't have a single game where our top ball carrier averaged 5 a carry. Other than the 1st half vs Tampa, 70 carries for 244 yds or 3.5 a carry. Add in the 1st half vs Tampa and the yds/carry go up an entire yard.

All in all, just not effective. The 1st half outburst ve Tampa skews the overall picture. Take that out and you see we're still quite a ways from where we need to be.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 17, 2011 7:48 PM | Report abuse

diesel44

I don't post for Hogsheaven.com, but I've been posting a variant of the following for about three weeks:

..., we can't keep operating like the redskin offensive line isn't being 'fixed'.

3 of the 5 players who finished the season on our offensive line--Williams, Litchensteiger, Montgomery--were 1st time starters.

And predictably, they got handled from time to time against solid lines in NY, MINN, and Dallas.

But we did see 100 yards in rushing and 300 yard passing in those games: meaning the young,developing line can be productive.

(Maybe if the quarterbacking improves, we see W's the Fall)

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 17, 2011 1:24 PM


Again: the redskin offensive line is a work in progress.

Eventually, other people will come to see things aren't as bad with the think as they think.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 17, 2011 7:58 PM | Report abuse

the best player in this draft is the linebacker from texas A&M, Von Miller.... Miller is a stud and will be a star and can do it all, won't have to come off the field... If he is there at ten you take him and get value at Qb and RB later. Blount was undrafted and started at tampa,even cut by Tenn, so we coulda had him for free and Starks(GB starter) was a 7th rounder. whitehead was cut by jets and claimed by team with best record, so we passed on him as well. If we know what we are doing, it can be done cheaply, the talent is out there, just got have scouts who can see it. That's the debatable part.

Posted by: klangley69 | January 17, 2011 7:58 PM | Report abuse

diesel44

I don't post for Hogsheaven.com, but I've been posting a variant of the following for about three weeks:

..., we can't keep operating like the redskin offensive line isn't being 'fixed'.

3 of the 5 players who finished the season on our offensive line--Williams, Litchensteiger, Montgomery--were 1st time starters.

And predictably, they got handled from time to time against solid lines in NY, MINN, and Dallas.

But we did see 100 yards in rushing and 300 yard passing in those games: meaning the young,developing line can be productive.

(Maybe if the quarterbacking improves, we see W's the Fall)

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 17, 2011 1:24 PM

Again: the redskin offensive line is a work in progress.

Eventually, other people will come to see things aren't as bad with the think as they think.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 17, 2011 7:58 PM |

I think our oline is vastly improved but I still think Rabach needs replacin'. That alone would likely remedy much of their issues.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 17, 2011 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Ex-Redskin Coach Gets Promotion:

Raiders Promote Hue Jackson to Head Coach


ALAMEDA, Calif. (AP) — The Oakland Raiders have promoted offensive coordinator Hue Jackson to become the team's sixth head coach since 2003.

Jackson was hired a year ago to take over the play-calling duties from Cable and oversaw a transformation on offense. Oakland more than doubled its scoring total from the previous season. That increased scoring helped the Raiders win eight games and avoid an eighth straight losing season.

I wish Jason Campbell and Hue Jackson the best of luck.

Jackson and Cable benched Campbell, and once he returned to start, dude looked like a totally different animal.

Jackson has fashioned an offense that fits what Campbell essentially is: a strong mid-range upfield (not deep) passer with simple reads.

The raiders will get better.

The redskins are still trying to find a quarterback.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 17, 2011 8:13 PM | Report abuse

scottcampbell1975

I think our oline is vastly improved but I still think Rabach needs replacin'.

If anything, Rabach should be replaced with the idea that the three young'ns on the line get a center who grows up with them.

I'd like to see the team snag a young 3-4 year veteran center in FA.

Too, I think they should pretend like J Brown might be an injury problem, and add a young right tackle as well.

Again: a center and right tackle (and guard depth) added to the group we have would really solidify our offensive line.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 17, 2011 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Mista -- I'm still going that our OL is the #1 issue (though the DL's drop off in 2010 was breathtaking). We've got 1 part which is clear, TW. KL might work, but he's marginal. Rabach needs to be replaced, he's old and not very good. RG with Montgomery -- I like Monty -- just not sure he has the talent, but he'll get the most from his ability. He's the guy I'm most optimistinc about.

Brown might be back with us, might not. I like the guy and he is probably a solution if we can keep him. But OTs, especially guys who've been good at LT, are hard to come by and I'm guessing someone will take a chance on him.

Bottom line, the 3 guys in the middle aren't talented enough. We can have a good OL with 1 of them, survive with 2 and will get pushed back too much with all 3.

We really haven't solved our OL issues -- and need to make sure we aren't fooling ourselves into thinking we're close. I wish we were, we're not.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | January 17, 2011 8:34 PM | Report abuse

The more I read, and the more people talk about Rabach, the more I want Pouncey. Not at #10 ideally, but maybe by trading down to some team who wants that QB who probably won't pan out. Locker, Mallet, whoever.

Posted by: NYPDee | January 17, 2011 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Will there be any highly regarded FA centers?

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 17, 2011 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Will there be any highly regarded FA centers?

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 17, 2011 8:51 PM

Ryan Kalil...only 25 and already a 2x pro bowler. I'd sign him and RT Ryan Harris at 12:01 AM whenever the 1st day of FA begins.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 17, 2011 8:58 PM | Report abuse


I think our oline is vastly improved but I still think Rabach needs replacin'.

If anything, Rabach should be replaced with the idea that the three young'ns on the line get a center who grows up with them.

I'd like to see the team snag a young 3-4 year veteran center in FA.

Too, I think they should pretend like J Brown might be an injury problem, and add a young right tackle as well.

Again: a center and right tackle (and guard depth) added to the group we have would really solidify our offensive line.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 17, 2011 8:20 PM | Report abuse
Don't think we are too far different, Moe. But remember that we only have about 9 slots on the 53 man roster. If we start TW, KL, MS and resign JB, we still need a C/G in FA. That's 5. If we add Cook, Heyer and Capers, that is 8. Hicks is 9, BMW is 10.

I think we need to add a starting C/G from FA, but I think we can go with the rest of our OL that is already on the roster.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 17, 2011 9:26 PM | Report abuse

The more I read, and the more people talk about Rabach, the more I want Pouncey. Not at #10 ideally, but maybe by trading down to some team who wants that QB who probably won't pan out. Locker, Mallet, whoever.


Posted by: NYPDee | January 17, 2011 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Trading back will most likely be our #1 priority. But it isn't always a possibility. You need a trading partner who is motivated to give up at least one additional pick to move up. It isn't always available.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 17, 2011 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Ryan Kalil...only 25 and already a 2x pro bowler. I'd sign him and RT Ryan Harris at 12:01 AM whenever the 1st day of FA begins.

Posted by: Diesel44
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That'd be a cool start, solving that unit in one or two days.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 17, 2011 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Ryan Kalil...only 25 and already a 2x pro bowler. I'd sign him and RT Ryan Harris at 12:01 AM whenever the 1st day of FA begins.

Posted by: Diesel44


FA is the way I'd go about upgrading the OL. I'd add depth via the mid to latter part of this draft. The strength of this draft early is on the defensive side of the ball. That's where I'd focus the 1st round and second round pick.

Posted by: TWISI | January 17, 2011 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Why isn't there a new post of Orakpo going to the probowl and the chance of London going if the Bears win next week?

Posted by: Frankie_Fister | January 17, 2011 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Why isn't there a new post of Orakpo going to the probowl and the chance of London going if the Bears win next week?

Posted by: Frankie_Fister | January 17, 2011 10:43 PM

I posted it last night and it's a well known fact that the hamsters around here post the news. The guy who's name is attached to the byline is merely a figurehead.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 17, 2011 10:45 PM | Report abuse

this Bog is getting retarded (no offense to those with disabilities as these are redskins fans) and we could have the first 10 picks in the draft and we will still suck. the franchise is a disgrace to pro sports and it is snyder, the crap name and logo, the hillbilly/little John combo fans at the games too liquored up to make sense, the crap colors and environment at the game, the whole thing is a crap pile that needs to be blown up and start from scratch like the ravens did as an expansion team. clean slate, clean vision, clean product. this old crap is boring and lifeless.

Posted by: doyouktt | January 17, 2011 10:47 PM | Report abuse

the whole thing is a crap pile that needs to be blown up and start from scratch like the ravens did as an expansion team. clean slate, clean vision, clean product. this old crap is boring and lifeless.

Posted by: doyouktt | January 17, 2011 10:47 PM

Welcome to the world idiot. The Ravens were NOT an expansion team. At least try to have a clue before posting and making yourself look like a fool.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 17, 2011 10:53 PM | Report abuse

I think there is a difference between having a somewhat functional QB or having the ability to draft a potential franchise QB. Out of the 4 young QBs available in this years draft 3 of them will be off the board before Redskins pick at #10. The skins will have to decide if the 6'6" or 6'7" kid (R. Mallett) is ellusive enough to survive and make good decisions in/out of the pocket. When A. Luck was rumered to be the 1st pick in the draft Carolina which already has 3 QBs was not going to let a player of Lucks ability to go. So its just a matter if Cam Newton, Blaine Gabbert or Jake Locker is seen as having the intangibles that would make them look better than a J. Claussen (Panthers), Fitzpatrick (Bills), Colt McCoy (Browns), etc.

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 17, 2011 6:08 PM | Report abuse

I agree that there are a lot of teams that have to decide weither the options that they have J.Claussen (CAR), Fitzpatrick (BUF), McCoy (CLE), etc. Are better than what they have in the draft. But I disagree that where going to be forced into a situation where we have to choose between Ryan Mallet or a lower round quarterback (by the way, there are some good ones this year as well in Christian Ponder, Pat Delvin and Andy Dalton).

Cam Newton is a project and will take time to develop, not a lot of people will want to invest a top pick in a guy like that.

Jack Locker is limited in offenses that he can fit in (though admittedly his athletic ability and upside is scary IF he can put it all together.) due to how he reads defenses and his accuracy on some nfl throws.

Blaine Gabbert is honestly going to be a better Alex Smith, has all the tools that he had, except with a quicker release and better ability to read defenses.

Ryan Mallet might be the most nfl ready of the all. And in the end could be the best prospect. But his off the field issues and maturity problems screams bust to most nfl teams.

With 3 out of the 4 quarterbacks being limited or projects I doubt three will go in the top 10. Now the question that you may ask is, well if these guys are like this why should the redskins get any of them? Well, like I keep saying the redskins need to get the best quarterback for there system. Who ever that maybe. In the end Pat Delvin might be the guy in the 2nd. Of Andy Dalton in the 3rd. Or we trade up for Blaine Gabbert in the 1st.

I don't know. I do know that, we need our franchise quarterback. Jay Cutler, Matt Ryan, Aaron Rodgers and Ben Roethlisberger all have decent not great offensive lines and at least one of them, if not two will be in the superbowl this year. Drew Brees one a superbowl last year behind an ok not great o line.
Truth is we need a franchise quarterback, to push our team to the next level in the nfl. Whoever, it maybe we need to get one if we want to stand a chance in the nfl.

Posted by: culprit59 | January 17, 2011 10:54 PM | Report abuse

al saunders rumoured to be next raiders OC, how did he do with JC first time around

Posted by: hcic55 | January 17, 2011 10:56 PM | Report abuse


this Bog is getting retarded (no offense to those with disabilities as these are redskins fans) and we could have the first 10 picks in the draft and we will still suck. the franchise is a disgrace to pro sports and it is snyder, the crap name and logo, the hillbilly/little John combo fans at the games too liquored up to make sense, the crap colors and environment at the game, the whole thing is a crap pile that needs to be blown up and start from scratch like the ravens did as an expansion team. clean slate, clean vision, clean product. this old crap is boring and lifeless.

Posted by: doyouktt | January 17, 2011 10:47 PM |


Here, here ! Why I couldn't agree more ! And this Scamp guy seems to be the real idiot ! More like Cramp ! Idiot Cramp !

Posted by: Flip_Flop | January 17, 2011 11:06 PM | Report abuse


Mercy on the poor souls who fool themselves, yearly, into thinking this team will be good anytime soon. Gut this meat wagon full of crap, starting with everything until Vinny Cerrato has been exterminated from Redskin Park. Believe all you want, you fools !


Posted by: Flip_Flop | January 17, 2011 11:41 PM | Report abuse

Great, perineum is back with a new sock puppet...and apparently he believes the Ravens were an expansion team.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 17, 2011 11:51 PM | Report abuse

I think we need to add a starting C/G from FA, but I think we can go with the rest of our OL that is already on the roster.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 17, 2011 9:26 PM

NO!

We are not able to dominate at the line of scrimmage with our interior group. Guys like Lichyurmother look good between the twenties, but you get down to short yardage and goal line, they cannot bull thier guy off the line. Also, they get trucked into the backfield by big NT's and DT's in passing situations.

Unacceptable.

We cannot make a living in the NFC East with a Guard that is 6-2 287. It just doesn't work.

Set the bar higher.

Look to upgrade.

Posted by: edvar | January 18, 2011 12:13 AM | Report abuse

I just took a big shti in my pants.

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | January 18, 2011 12:14 AM | Report abuse

Oh, and the poster "periculum" is a super-d0uche who eats his own excrement.

Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | January 18, 2011 12:16 AM | Report abuse

culprit59 - I was wondering what you thought of Collin Kaepernick as a QB project pick after round 1? Dude has a lot of intangibles that seem to tip the scales in his favor.

Posted by: edvar | January 18, 2011 12:20 AM | Report abuse

Oh, and the poster "periculum" is a super-d0uche who eats his own excrement.


Posted by: P00PY_MCP00P | January 18, 2011 12:16 AM

He's (and his many sock puppets) as dumb as a bored out butthole.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | January 18, 2011 12:25 AM | Report abuse

Will there be any highly regarded FA centers?

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 17, 2011 8:51 PM

Ryan Kalil...only 25 and already a 2x pro bowler. I'd sign him and RT Ryan Harris at 12:01 AM whenever the 1st day of FA begins.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 17, 2011 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Amen!

Don't stop there.

Posted by: edvar | January 18, 2011 12:29 AM | Report abuse

Jackson and Cable benched Campbell, and once he returned to start, dude looked like a totally different animal.

Jackson has fashioned an offense that fits what Campbell essentially is: a strong mid-range upfield (not deep) passer with simple reads.

The raiders will get better.

The redskins are still trying to find a quarterback.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 17, 2011 8:13 PM | Report abuse

I watched all the Raider's games this year. In my opinion Jason Campbell remained exactly the same "animal" that he had been with us.

He was slow with his reads, struggled with pressure, held the ball out behind him, practically begging for the strip sack and was overly cautious. Sure, he can throw a very pretty ball to a wide open receiver. He also got a lot of help from receivers actually making an adjustment to catch an off target pass, which he probably found quite novel.

What really helped him was a really strong running game and group of backfield receivers that could take his numerous dump-offs for a lot of yards after the catch. With teams loading the box the Raiders receivers were also finding a huge amount of space on play-action. Campbell had it far easier in Oakland than he did here, yet still looked second best to Bruce Gradkowski.

Campbell is a starting calibre quaterback. Surround him with talent and he wont lose too many games for the team. He just wont win many games for them either. He never carried the Raiders to victory, he rode with the team effort.

I am disappointed with the trade value we got for him, but I wasn't sorry to see him leave, and didn't see anything in his performance this year to suggest that the Redskins had just given him the wrong coaching. In hindsight, it would have been better to keep him, than lose those picks trading for McNabb. Still, who knew that Andy Reid was such a genious.

Reid has made Michael Vick work well as a pocket QB, with mobility thrown in as a bonus. It looks as though he was getting the absolute maximum out of McNabb as well. Yet, prior to the beginning of the season, hardly anyone would have thought that McNabb could be as limited as he turned out to be in a new offense.

Posted by: WeNeedLinemen | January 18, 2011 6:15 AM | Report abuse

One thing I hope the front-office take away from this year is the success of Brandon Banks.

Size was a huge concern pre-season, but it never became an issue and, wow, that sort of speed makes a difference.

I really hope that during the draft we shy away from looking for prototypical size and physique and concentrate on finding players with speed and proven on field performance. Banks had both, good stats and a fast 40.

Jacoby Ford, though giant by comparison to Banks, is another example of the sort of player we should be considering. Ford might never make it as number 1 receiver but he is a very useful weapon. We need guys like that.

Posted by: WeNeedLinemen | January 18, 2011 6:30 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Flounder21 | January 18, 2011 7:46 AM | Report abuse

I don't know. I do know that, we need our franchise quarterback. Jay Cutler, Matt Ryan, Aaron Rodgers and Ben Roethlisberger all have decent not great offensive lines and at least one of them, if not two will be in the superbowl this year. Drew Brees one a superbowl last year behind an ok not great o line.
Truth is we need a franchise quarterback, to push our team to the next level in the nfl. Whoever, it maybe we need to get one if we want to stand a chance in the nfl.

Posted by: culprit59 | January 17, 2011 10:54 PM | Report abuse

Culprit59 I like your perspective on the available QBs in this years draft. With the Senior Bowl, Indy combine, and individual workouts I'm sure QB prospects will move up with a few going higher than what you would believe.

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 18, 2011 7:52 AM | Report abuse

We are not able to dominate at the line of scrimmage with our interior group. Guys like Lichyurmother look good between the twenties, but you get down to short yardage and goal line, they cannot bull thier guy off the line. Also, they get trucked into the backfield by big NT's and DT's in passing situations.

Unacceptable.

We cannot make a living in the NFC East with a Guard that is 6-2 287. It just doesn't work.

Set the bar higher.

Look to upgrade.

Posted by: edvar | January 18, 2011 12:13 AM | Report abuse

Edvar do you think if you are going to stick with a zone blocking scheme (smaller faster linemen capable of getting to the second level) that these same guys at times will get pushed around?

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 18, 2011 8:01 AM | Report abuse

al saunders rumoured to be next raiders OC, how did he do with JC first time around

Posted by: hcic55 | January 17, 2011 10:56 PM | Report abuse

He and JC didn't work out well at all. JC had a hard time learning Saunder's 700 page play book. Saunder's really had to cut back and limit his offense for Campbell.

Posted by: RedskinJim1 | January 18, 2011 8:07 AM | Report abuse

Jackson and Cable benched Campbell, and once he returned to start, dude looked like a totally different animal.

Jackson has fashioned an offense that fits what Campbell essentially is: a strong mid-range upfield (not deep) passer with simple reads.

The raiders will get better.

The redskins are still trying to find a quarterback.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 17, 2011 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Moe, Would you be surprized if the redskins didn't select a QB in this years draft? Maybe they are happy with Grossman and Beck.

I agree with you that Campbell should have been given a chance here with Shanahan before he was traded to Oakland for basically nothing.

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 18, 2011 8:10 AM | Report abuse

Jackson and Cable benched Campbell, and once he returned to start, dude looked like a totally different animal.

Jackson has fashioned an offense that fits what Campbell essentially is: a strong mid-range upfield (not deep) passer with simple reads.

The raiders will get better.

The redskins are still trying to find a quarterback.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 17, 2011 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Moe, Would you be surprized if the redskins didn't select a QB in this years draft? Maybe they are happy with Grossman and Beck.

I agree with you that Campbell should have been given a chance here with Shanahan before he was traded to Oakland for basically nothing.

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 18, 2011 8:11 AM | Report abuse

Good stuff on Belichick's free fall:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/bill-belichick-causes-new-england-patriots-loss-to-new-york-jets-011611

Just something to consider for all the Shanahan haters up here...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 18, 2011 8:12 AM | Report abuse

Well, if they are going to keep Danny Smith, then maybe they will acknowledge his shortcomings with the kicking and get him an assistant who specializes in developing kicker / punters.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 18, 2011 8:15 AM | Report abuse

He and JC didn't work out well at all. JC had a hard time learning Saunder's 700 page play book. Saunder's really had to cut back and limit his offense for Campbell.

Posted by: RedskinJim1 | January 18, 2011 8:07 AM | Report abuse

I think it was Vinny's fault Campbell couldn't learn the playbook. I don't have any main reason or proof for blaming him, but I'm still going by the old adage: "When in doubt, blame Vinny!!!"

Posted by: monk811 | January 18, 2011 8:19 AM | Report abuse

Good stuff on Belichick's free fall:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/bill-belichick-causes-new-england-patriots-loss-to-new-york-jets-011611

Just something to consider for all the Shanahan haters up here...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 18, 2011 8:12 AM | Report abuse

Thats a great read. I think the Patriots need to trade up in the draft in order to get some defensive front line help. Who else would be in a better position to help ole' Bill out than ShanAllen & company?

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 18, 2011 8:24 AM | Report abuse

If I were Bill Belichick I would bundle up some of the excess picks that he has in this year's draft and make a deal with Carolina (which needs picks especially a #2). But I think Bill is a hoarder.

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 18, 2011 8:29 AM | Report abuse

brown, when Tom plays at a level less than that of the Greatest QB of all time, the luster comes off as far as Bill is concerned....Brady's previous 6 playoff qb ratings were all under 100, with 1 in the 40 range, and a couple in teh 60 range...he's got no counter move, when Tom isn't playing at an elite level....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 18, 2011 8:30 AM | Report abuse

I don't think you can blame Danny Smith for 'not developing kickers'. These guys obviously have just been scrubs and won't put in the time to perfect their craft. THEY ONLY HAVE ONE JOB, and they should work to do it better. Practice more Gano!!!

SAVE THE TURTLES!!!!

Posted by: monk811 | January 18, 2011 8:30 AM | Report abuse

[clip from Cindy's blog]

It's also interesting to note that the Pack, Stillers, Pats, and Jets all run a 3-4 D.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 16, 2011 6:20 PM

The difference between those teams' 3-4 and the Skins' 3-4 is that those teams run theirs in 3D. The Skins only did it on paper this season.

Posted by: dcsween | January 18, 2011 8:31 AM | Report abuse

al saunders rumoured to be next raiders OC, how did he do with JC first time around

Posted by: hcic55 | January 17, 2011 10:56 PM

Actually, wouldn't it be Campbell's third season in that Saunders offense?

Posted by: dcsween | January 18, 2011 8:34 AM | Report abuse

Mercy on the poor souls who fool themselves, yearly, into thinking this team will be good anytime soon. Gut this meat wagon full of crap, starting with everything until Vinny Cerrato has been exterminated from Redskin Park. Believe all you want, you fools !

Posted by: Flip_Flop | January 17, 2011 11:41 PM | Report abuse

I think there is a difference in seeing the team make improvements after each season. Anyone, believing this team was playoff bound after Zorn's last season here was simple not realistic considering the whole offensive line had to be revamped due to many years of neglect. And it will still need some more polish before we can say it is up to par with the other clubs. With a lack of free agency last year hopefully the club can start getting some good players without breaking the bank (aka Haynesworth fiasco). I think we are on the right track, obviously better without Vinny in charge .... we just have to be patient and see where the club will be by season #3.

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 18, 2011 8:42 AM | Report abuse

"He's one of the best coaches we have period," starting outside linebacker and special teams standout Lorenzo Alexander said recently. "You can't let a guy like that get away."

By Jason Reid | January 17, 2011; 8:55 AM ET

[on topic]

I've always enjoyed watching Smith on the sidelines. He freaks out like a chihuahua on an adreline rush.

I also think they should upgrade the title for Kirk Olivadotti. I think they need both an inside LBs coach and an outside LBs coach.

Posted by: dcsween | January 18, 2011 8:43 AM | Report abuse

brown, when Tom plays at a level less than that of the Greatest QB of all time, the luster comes off as far as Bill is concerned....Brady's previous 6 playoff qb ratings were all under 100, with 1 in the 40 range, and a couple in teh 60 range...he's got no counter move, when Tom isn't playing at an elite level....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 18, 2011 8:30 AM | Report abuse


Not only that, but Belicheat's defensive "genius" was basically tantamount to telling his defenders to hold receivers.

You'll recall their first "upset" Superbowl involved alot of clutching/holding Rams receivers.

In the following season, they did the same thing to COlts receivers.

I believe it was the year after that, the NFL Competition Committee came down with the "defensive holding" rulings and said they would start calling it more strictly.

Haven't seen much "genius" from BB's defenses ever since.

Posted by: p1funk | January 18, 2011 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Another day.

Another dolla.

Slapped my hoe.

Made her holla.

She called 911.

It was no joke.

Now I'm in the county.

And my cellmate wants to poke.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 18, 2011 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Good stuff on Belichick's free fall:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/bill-belichick-causes-new-england-patriots-loss-to-new-york-jets-011611

Just something to consider for all the Shanahan haters up here...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 18, 2011 8:12 AM | Report abuse

(Day 5)

How is this relevent to Shanahan?

Belichick wishes he could be like Shanahan.... Shanahan is UNDEFEATED in Super Bowls!

Posted by: Alan4 | January 18, 2011 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Greg, you're in town there so I trust your judgement on BB/Brady...from the outside looking in, it looks to me like their game plan was riding the Brady train to the SB. While it's nice to go 14-2 while you're rebuilding, it seems to me their season was undone by not being able to run the ball with any consistency and some galactically stupid calls on Belichick's part. What baffles me is that BB/Brady get all this undying benefit of the doubt despite the fact that they've been blown out in 3 straight playoff games (two of which at home where they're supposed to unstoppable) and haven't won a SB in 6 years. Obviously there's a shelf life for the genius label...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 18, 2011 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 18, 2011 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Another thing I was thinking while watching the Pats offense sputter and stall was - "Boy, it sure seems like they could use Randy Moss right now."

Jets kept dropping into a zone and taking away those underneath routes to the tight ends, and eating up Danny Woodhead on the dumpoffs.

But Brady seemed like he had time to throw on alot of plays - 5 sacks nothwithstanding.

Seemed like the kind of situation where you start bombing it to a tall/fast playmaking WR who can either go up and get it or draw a PI, or at least soften up the defense with a bunch of deep routes.

Say what you want about Moss's bad attitude/work ethic...but when you are trying to put a scare into DBs, Brandon Tate just doesn't do the trick.

Posted by: p1funk | January 18, 2011 8:59 AM | Report abuse

brown, BINGO, when you have the greatest qb of all time, who also happened to be one of the best clutch performers its not that hard, however when that goes away, and you can't win anything, what does that say......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | January 18, 2011 9:03 AM | Report abuse

brownwood

...it seems to me their season was undone by not being able to run the ball with any consistency

Amen.

Perhaps what Rex Ryan realized is that the colts/pats depend so much on passing that you can pay minimum attention to the run game.

And given the low score for most of the game, you wonder why Belichek didn't just decide to feed his backs 20-25 carries to slow the jets pressure and hits on Brady.

In two games, the jets' D shut down passing offenses by pressing receivers, sending "A" gap pressure, and filling the centerfield of the defense with players who stopped the underneath/checkdown routes.

And it helps if Revis/Cromartie--two stellar corners--are walling off inside cuts, forcing the q-back to outcuts.

And it also helped that Brady/Manning aren't running-scrambling quarterbacks.

The jets had good design against the pats/colts.

In fact, I bet next season, most teams attempt to play both teams this way.

But the stillers will run the ball and force the jets to play their safeties up for run support.

That should allow Ben to pass into centerfield with success.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 18, 2011 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Pats havent won ish since Vinateri left. Clearly he was the common denominator for their SB sucess. He brought one to the colts cause he felt bad for them, and to stick it to Bellichck.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 18, 2011 9:14 AM | Report abuse

That should allow Ben to pass into centerfield with success.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 18, 2011 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Plus, Ben can move.

Gawd, I hate the Steelers.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 18, 2011 9:17 AM | Report abuse

That should allow Ben to pass into centerfield with success.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 18, 2011 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Plus, Ben can move.

Gawd, I hate the Steelers.

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 18, 2011 9:19 AM | Report abuse

brownwood

...it seems to me their season was undone by not being able to run the ball with any consistency

Amen.


Posted by: MistaMoe | January 18, 2011 9:12 AM | Report abuse


Pats were 9th overall in rushing. Green-Ellis went over 1000 yards and Woodhead tacked on another 500.

But the Pats are a team that uses the pass to set up the run.

They spent most of the game trying to get Brady to find his "rhythm" and it never came.

Posted by: p1funk | January 18, 2011 9:29 AM | Report abuse

The coach many love to hate on may be moving on up.


Jim Zorn could be in line for Browns' offensive coordinator job

http://news-herald.com/articles/2011/01/18/sports/nh3538796.txt

Posted by: kerzon417 | January 18, 2011 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Fkuck ME. If that clown comes back again, I'mma shoot myself.

Just say NO to DSmith.

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 18, 2011 9:39 AM | Report abuse

I don't think you can blame Danny Smith for 'not developing kickers'. These guys obviously have just been scrubs and won't put in the time to perfect their craft. THEY ONLY HAVE ONE JOB, and they should work to do it better. Practice more Gano!!!

SAVE THE TURTLES!!!!

Posted by: monk811 | January 18, 2011 8:30 AM
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Monk, totally disagree. Danny Smith has been special teams' coach for the Redskins for what? Seven years? During that time, the team has signed kickers and punters that have had success elsewhere in the league and they end up injured, or inadequate - take your pick. They drafted a Ray Guy trophy winning punter and Danny Smith couldn't do anything with the guy. I don't know if we can even say that Gano has developed under Danny Smith. He came to the Redskins with some ability and since then, he's been stuck in neutral. And it's not just the kicker themselves. What a rare gem long snapper Nick Sundberg is. If you cannot detect the sarcasm, let me ask you if you ever held your breath when the Redskins were kicking a field goal...

Hey, I'll give Danny Smith some credit. He's got great coverage teams. He has guys like Sellers so jacked up on special teams that he is down there de-cleting guys every punt and kickoff. With Brandon Banks, the return game this year went from mediocre to electrifying. It's just that, we left a lot of points on the table this year with botched field goals. We lost a lot of yards with vomit-inducing shanked punts. There's no way you let Danny Smith off the hook for that. Since the guy is going to be around, you go get him an assistant that can work with the kickers and look for better things out of the kicking game.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 18, 2011 9:39 AM | Report abuse

They spent most of the game trying to get Brady to find his "rhythm" and it never came.

Posted by: p1funk | January 18, 2011 9:29 AM

His rhythm is way off since went off The Pill. Didn't help that he had his Visitor in town for the game.

etrod, I'm with you on my despising of the Steelers -- the Hines Ward/Ben Roethlespelling/James Harrison Steelers. The only team I like less is the Patriots (but its really only the one guy, Brady, that has his team leading the league in that dcsween Category).

I also think, however, that the Steelers will beat the Jets. Each team is putting a varsity defense on the field. Unfortunately, Steelers are putting a varsity offense against Sanchez and the rest of the JV squad.

Posted by: dcsween | January 18, 2011 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Pats havent won ish since Vinateri left. Clearly he was the common denominator for their SB sucess. He brought one to the colts cause he felt bad for them, and to stick it to Bellichck.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 18, 2011 9:14 AM


Since their last SB, the Pats lost their OC, DC, and GM. And the guy you pin their negative turnaround on is the f-ing KICKER? You just can't make this stuff up...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 18, 2011 9:43 AM | Report abuse

If that clown comes back again, I'mma shoot myself.

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 18, 2011 9:39 AM

You should opt for something in a small calibre.

Posted by: MColeman51 | January 18, 2011 9:48 AM | Report abuse

pfunk, I meant they couldn't get their run game going in the playoff game, not necessarily over the course of the season.

But it also seems to me that they ran it against the weaker opponents and not so much against some of the better teams...but that's just off the top of my head and I haven't bothered to go back and double check that...

Bottom line: the Pats did the same thing the Eagles did...they got carried to the playoffs on the strong performance of their QB despite having little else of any real substance. Teams like that can pile up regular season wins, but it won't get you very far in the playoffs.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 18, 2011 9:48 AM | Report abuse

RELEASE RABACH!
SIGN O-LINE IN FA!
CHAMPIONSHIP!

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 18, 2011 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Plus, Ben can move in girl's bathrooms!

Posted by: Original_etrod | January 18, 2011 9:19 AM | Report abuse

There, fixed it for ya!

Posted by: monk811 | January 18, 2011 9:49 AM | Report abuse

look we need to draft nothing but Oline, Dline and a linebacker or two.

I'm....ok is not the right word...I've talked myself into being ok with sexy rexy being the starter if we continue to build the core of the team. Draft a QB in 2012....or 2013 at this rate and lets continue to do this the right way.

Posted by: Buckleycj | January 18, 2011 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Kerz,

Here I thought he would be on the way out! After Flacco's choke job (albeit assisted) I'd think his stock would be way down....

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 18, 2011 9:52 AM | Report abuse

I'm....ok is not the right word...I've talked myself into being ok with sexy rexy being the starter if we continue to build the core of the team. Draft a QB in 2012....or 2013 at this rate and lets continue to do this the right way.

Posted by: Buckleycj | January 18, 2011 9:50 AM | Report abuse

I'm cool with Rexy.

Posted by: iH8dallas | January 18, 2011 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Monk, totally disagree. Danny Smith has been special teams' coach for the Redskins for what? Seven years? During that time, the team has signed kickers and punters that have had success elsewhere in the league and they end up injured, or inadequate - take your pick. They drafted a Ray Guy trophy winning punter and Danny Smith couldn't do anything with the guy. I don't know if we can even say that Gano has developed under Danny Smith. He came to the Redskins with some ability and since then, he's been stuck in neutral. And it's not just the kicker themselves. What a rare gem long snapper Nick Sundberg is. If you cannot detect the sarcasm, let me ask you if you ever held your breath when the Redskins were kicking a field goal...

Hey, I'll give Danny Smith some credit. He's got great coverage teams. He has guys like Sellers so jacked up on special teams that he is down there de-cleting guys every punt and kickoff. With Brandon Banks, the return game this year went from mediocre to electrifying. It's just that, we left a lot of points on the table this year with botched field goals. We lost a lot of yards with vomit-inducing shanked punts. There's no way you let Danny Smith off the hook for that. Since the guy is going to be around, you go get him an assistant that can work with the kickers and look for better things out of the kicking game.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 18, 2011 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Durant Brooks???? The dude was only averaging like 35 yards a kick. How can you blame that on Danny.

We need harder workers in here people. Not bums off the street like Suisham and Novak, who are liked in this town as long as they are making field goals but the moment they miss a few it's Danny's fault!

Also, there is something to be said about this organization possibly becoming a 'jinx'! Look at the players who left here and have had outstanding years, add Suisham to the list now, that NERD! Why couldn't he do that here?

Posted by: monk811 | January 18, 2011 9:54 AM | Report abuse

OC, DC, and GM. And the guy you pin their negative turnaround on is the f-ing KICKER? You just can't make this stuff up...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 18, 2011 9:43 AM | Report abuse


None of whom went on to more SB wins. But the kicker, yeh he got more. Can and do make this kinda stuff up, all the time.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 18, 2011 9:55 AM | Report abuse

(Day 5)

brownwood26: "What baffles me is that BB/Brady get all this undying benefit of the doubt despite the fact that they've been blown out in 3 straight playoff games (two of which at home where they're supposed to unstoppable) and haven't won a SB in 6 years. Obviously there's a shelf life for the genius label..."

"Shelf life?" Here is the list of coaches who have won two or more Super Bowls: Chuck Noll (4), Bill Belichick (3), Joe Gibbs (3), Bill Walsh (3), Tom Flores (2), Jimmy Johnson (2), Tom Landry (2), Vince Lombardi (2), Bill Parcells (2), George Seifert (2), Mike Shanahan (2) and Don Shula (2).

We're fortunate enough to have one of these geniuses coaching our own team... these men don't just "lose it". They're all solid coaches who (for those still alive) know what it takes to win!


BeantownGreg1: "when you have the greatest qb of all time, who also happened to be one of the best clutch performers its not that hard, however when that goes away, and you can't win anything, what does that say...

Almost every great coach had a great QB. Knoll had Bradshaw, Walsh had Montana, Shanahan had Elway.... their greatness is not diminished by their great QBs.

HTTR!


Posted by: Alan4 | January 18, 2011 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Almost every great coach had a great QB. Knoll had Bradshaw, Walsh had Montana, Shanahan had Elway.... their greatness is not diminished by their great QBs.

HTTR!

Posted by: Alan4 | January 18, 2011 9:58 AM

No, their greatness isn't diminished by having had a great QB, but Joe Gibbs' greatness is enhanced by NOT having had one.

HTTR indeed!

Posted by: MColeman51 | January 18, 2011 10:02 AM | Report abuse

OC, DC, and GM. And the guy you pin their negative turnaround on is the f-ing KICKER? You just can't make this stuff up...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 18, 2011 9:43 AM | Report abuse


None of whom went on to more SB wins. But the kicker, yeh he got more. Can and do make this kinda stuff up, all the time.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 18, 2011 9:55 AM

Wow...if only life were this cut and dry...

It's not like Vinatieri left the Pats for the Skins or the Lions...dude jumped ship for a contender that they seemed to play in the AFC title game every year. He helps, but dude is a kicker...they don't change the fortunes of a team like a QB or a position player. Look around the league and you'll see that some of the best kickers in the league are guys you haven't heard of because they play on teams that suck.

Crennel wasn't a good HC, but he's a legit DC and he and Weis were a big reason for the big turnaround in KC this year. Pioli's moves got them from worst to first in about 2 years...if you can't see their value as opposed to an f-ing KICKER, then you're too far gone to waste another post on...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 18, 2011 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Also, there is something to be said about this organization possibly becoming a 'jinx'! Look at the players who left here and have had outstanding years, add Suisham to the list now, that NERD! Why couldn't he do that here?

Posted by: monk811 | January 18, 2011 9:54 AM
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You just supported my whole point. Suishan couldn't perform here because of Danny Smith. He went to a team where they have a special teams coach taht can develop kickers and look what happened.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 18, 2011 10:12 AM | Report abuse

"He helps, but dude is a kicker..."


How soon we forget how the Pats won those SBs. This kicker won those games for them.

At first def a joke now im actually starting to think it is the common denominator.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 18, 2011 10:13 AM | Report abuse

then you're too far gone to waste another post on...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 18, 2011 10:08 AM

no such thing as a wasted post

Posted by: dcsween | January 18, 2011 10:19 AM | Report abuse

How soon we forget how the Pats won those SBs. This kicker won those games for them.

At first def a joke now im actually starting to think it is the common denominator.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 18, 2011 10:13 AM

Dude, I hope you really are joking because unless those SBs were scored in ALL FGs, there's no chance that Vinatieri is the most important player on the field in ANY game he plays.

Even if the game were all FGs, the defense still has to keep the other team out of the end zone. The offense has to move the ball enough to get you into FG range. So unless the Pats were settling for 91 yard FGs and I missed it, your stance is monumentally idiotic...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 18, 2011 10:21 AM | Report abuse

You just supported my whole point. Suishan couldn't perform here because of Danny Smith. He went to a team where they have a special teams coach taht can develop kickers and look what happened.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 18, 2011 10:12 AM

With all due respect, Suishan was 18 of 21 when the Skins released him last year. It's not that he was inaccurate, it was that 2 of the 3 the kicks he missed were game-losing misses.... that's why he was released.

The Skins would have been 6-10 last year if he had gone 18 for 21, and treded those 3 misses for some other misses.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 18, 2011 10:23 AM | Report abuse

no such thing as a wasted post

Posted by: dcsween | January 18, 2011 10:19 AM


You've obviously missed Thinker's stuff...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 18, 2011 10:24 AM | Report abuse

no such thing as a wasted post

Posted by: dcsween | January 18, 2011 10:19 AM

Most of the SPG's posted are wasted posts! That's how we roll.....

Posted by: monk811 | January 18, 2011 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Edvar do you think if you are going to stick with a zone blocking scheme (smaller faster linemen capable of getting to the second level) that these same guys at times will get pushed around?

Posted by: flyinggoose1 | January 18, 2011 8:01 AM

Needing smaller faster linemen for zone blocking is a MYTH.

You don't need to be small, you need to be athletic and fast. Even Shanny admits this.

Lots of teams run zone blocking schemes very well loaded with 300+ pound linemen who are athletic and fast. They can get to the second level AND bull their guy off the line when it's time to get that 3rd and 1 conversion or punch it in from the goal line, and they are less likely to get trucked into the backfield when the QB drops back to pass. Randy Thomas anyone?

6-2 287 will never cut it in the NFC East. Not in this century at least. We've all seen the footage.

Lich my be ok when we are moving the ball between the 20's, but he can't move anybody when it's time to grind, and most DT's can blast him into the backfield like he's on skates whenever they want. Him and Rabach.

I don't want an O line filled with a bunch of guys that are just adequate. I won't O Line DOMINANCE! The kind that can impose it's will on the other team - even when they know your gonna run it.

A line like that is a force multiplier that makes your QB, RB, FB and WR's better. And coach for that matter.

Like I said, I think we should set the bar higher.

Posted by: edvar | January 18, 2011 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 18, 2011 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Hate on the Iceman all you want. He wont them those SB games, that and cheating.

Posted by: Stu27 | January 18, 2011 10:41 AM | Report abuse

You just supported my whole point. Suishan couldn't perform here because of Danny Smith. He went to a team where they have a special teams coach taht can develop kickers and look what happened.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 18, 2011 10:12 AM

With all due respect, Suishan was 18 of 21 when the Skins released him last year. It's not that he was inaccurate, it was that 2 of the 3 the kicks he missed were game-losing misses.... that's why he was released.

The Skins would have been 6-10 last year if he had gone 18 for 21, and treded those 3 misses for some other misses.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 18, 2011 10:23 AM
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Well, doesn't that support my point as well? In the last two seasons we would have won maybe 2-3 more games each season if the kickers would have made clutch kicks. There were two different kickers during that time, but there was one special teams coach.

As for the team not getting the talent in to have a decent kicking game let me remind you that they have brought some guys in with talent. If there are three positions on the team where Danny Smith has the ultimate say-so, it would be kicker, punter and long snapper. How did those three positions perform this year?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 18, 2011 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Geez..back to talking about Suisham again? Its a never ending vicious cycle around here. What's next? How we should have never let Brandon Lloyd go again?

As far as the "missed opportunity" with Cutler and Sanchez posted on the front page, how can it be a missed opportunity if the skins never had enough to to outbid the other teams in the first place?

Posted by: ga8085 | January 18, 2011 10:44 AM | Report abuse

f that clown comes back again, I'mma shoot myself.

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 18, 2011 9:39 AM

You should opt for something in a small calibre.

Posted by: MColeman51 | January 18, 2011 9:48

Target the medulla oblongata (anatomy), the lowest part of the brain and the lowest portion of the brain stem, and you wouldn't feel any pain. Good luck.

Posted by: abxinc | January 18, 2011 10:46 AM | Report abuse

If you want more proof that the Redskins need to improve coaching in the kicking game remember this:

Shanahan says Gano's problem with missing field goals is mental. Gano says it isn't: it's all about his three step approach. Danny Smith says nothing.

Hunter Smith was in the top ten for punting yardage when the team cut him for flubbing the hold on a field goal. The long snapper flubbed more than a couple of snaps and stays, but the punter who performed so reliably the year before gets cut after one flub.

Sam Paulescu.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 18, 2011 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Well, doesn't that support my point as well? In the last two seasons we would have won maybe 2-3 more games each season if the kickers would have made clutch kicks. There were two different kickers during that time, but there was one special teams coach.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 18, 2011 10:41 AM

When a guy performs well overall and chokes in the clutch, I'm not sure you can blame coaching--unless the coaches actually change what THEY'RE doing in those clutch situations to an extent that it impacts the kicker.

In Suisham's case, he was a good kicker who unfortunately choked in the clutch. In Gano's case, so far he appears to be a mediocre kicker who chokes on the regular. He misses 1 out of every 4 kicks.

Shanahan said Gano's problem was mental, and maybe it is. But he could seems to just be a mediocre to bad kicker.

Suisham, on the other hand, seems like the strong candidate for a sports psychologist since he was money until he got in the clutch.

Maybe the Steelers just found the right guy for Suisham to talk to:

Suisham: I don't know, doc... it's so much pressure! I get so nervous when I line up to kick, and I know the outcome of the game is riding on me!

Shrink: You know what makes me nervous? You do! Why don't we chug on over to namby pamby land & find you some self-confidence ya jack wagon!

Posted by: Alan4 | January 18, 2011 10:57 AM | Report abuse

6-2 287 will never cut it in the NFC East.

Posted by: edvar | January 18, 2011 10:31 AM


It will if you're playing DE, TE or FB...just sayin'...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 18, 2011 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Needing smaller faster linemen for zone blocking is a MYTH.

You don't need to be small, you need to be athletic and fast. Even Shanny admits this.

Lots of teams run zone blocking schemes very well loaded with 300+ pound linemen who are athletic and fast. They can get to the second level AND bull their guy off the line when it's time to get that 3rd and 1 conversion or punch it in from the goal line, and they are less likely to get trucked into the backfield when the QB drops back to pass. Randy Thomas anyone?

Posted by: edvar | January 18, 2011 10:31 AM | Report abuse


Dude. It's about supply and demand.

Athletic, fast, 300+ pound linemen aren't exactly in great supply. It's not like we passed on several of those and decided to go w/ Kory Lichtensteiger instead.

Trent Williamses and Randy Thomases don't exactly grow on trees - that's why you have to use high first round picks and pay them a bunch of $$ in FA in order to grab them.

I don't hear anybody up here touting Kory L as the key to the future.

Posted by: p1funk | January 18, 2011 11:03 AM | Report abuse

6-2 287 will never cut it in the NFC East.

The thing is, Mike Shanahan believes his 'system' and style of o-line play can work in any division.

And therein lies the problem.

You'd think he'd fit his system to the players, and not the other way around.

Expect more lean, lightweight athletic o-linemen to play for us for as long as Shanny is runnin' thangs.

Deal with it.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 18, 2011 11:04 AM | Report abuse

6-2 287 will never cut it in the NFC East.

Posted by: edvar | January 18, 2011 10:31 AM

I agree!!!
We're talking about cheerleaders right?

Posted by: monk811 | January 18, 2011 11:08 AM | Report abuse

When a guy performs well overall and chokes in the clutch, I'm not sure you can blame coaching--unless the coaches actually change what THEY'RE doing in those clutch situations to an extent that it impacts the kicker.

In Suisham's case, he was a good kicker who unfortunately choked in the clutch. In Gano's case, so far he appears to be a mediocre kicker who chokes on the regular. He misses 1 out of every 4 kicks.

Shanahan said Gano's problem was mental, and maybe it is. But he could seems to just be a mediocre to bad kicker.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 18, 2011 10:57 AM
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My point is it all rides on Danny Smith because he says who his kicker is going to be. If he knew either one of those guys was a head case, then he should have axed them sooner. I think it boils down to coaching. Not everyone comes out of college knowing how to deal with pressure, but I suggest that can be coached. I just don't think Danny Smith invests enough time into that aspect of the game. I think the team would be brilliant if they went out and got a kicking specialist to work with the guys. The team brought in one assistant to help with the return game - Richard Hightower - and I think you can say that idea panned out. So, why not bring in a second assistant to work with the kickers?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 18, 2011 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Well done Alan, that commercial makes me laugh every time. (had a drill instructor just like him in bootcamp!)

Posted by: kerzon417 | January 18, 2011 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Move Dockery to nose tackle! There. I had to say something stupid today so I thought I would get it out of the way early.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 18, 2011 11:16 AM | Report abuse

I think we need to add a starting C/G from FA, but I think we can go with the rest of our OL that is already on the roster.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 17, 2011 9:26 PM

NO!

We are not able to dominate at the line of scrimmage with our interior group. Guys like Lichyurmother look good between the twenties, but you get down to short yardage and goal line, they cannot bull thier guy off the line. Also, they get trucked into the backfield by big NT's and DT's in passing situations.

Unacceptable.

We cannot make a living in the NFC East with a Guard that is 6-2 287. It just doesn't work.

Set the bar higher.

Look to upgrade.

Posted by: edvar | January 18, 2011 12:13 AM | Report abuse

So, edvar, are you really VCerrato? This is what has been done in the past. Go out and sign the biggest names in FA. And sign them to huge contracts. And don't worry about how that will limit you under the cap to sign/maintain the players that you need to fill out the rest of the roster.

At some point, the Skins need to develop their own players, not continually go out and sign FA's to big contracts. We are talking about a C and 2 OG's. We are not talking about OT. Let's develop players on our roster for these slots.

By the end of the season, we had 2 interior linemen who were beginning to perform. This was basically the first year either of them were starters. Now they have a year's worth of experience under their belt.

Bot of them can play either C or G. Let the coaches decide if they need a C or a G to replace Rabach, and use these two in the other 2 slots. Let them learn the system. Don't be so quick to give up on them. This has been the problem with Skins personnel decisions in the past. Let's not repeat it all over again.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 18, 2011 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Not everyone comes out of college knowing how to deal with pressure, but I suggest that can be coached. I just don't think Danny Smith invests enough time into that aspect of the game. I think the team would be brilliant if they went out and got a kicking specialist to work with the guys. The team brought in one assistant to help with the return game - Richard Hightower - and I think you can say that idea panned out. So, why not bring in a second assistant to work with the kickers?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 18, 2011 11:11 AM


I'll buy that. And since I used that retired drill instructor for jokes in my previous post, I'll finish the military analogy: kicking is all about technique, and you drill, drill, drill so that no matter what's going on around you, you will be able to perform the exact same techniques under any circumstances without overthinking. Kicking shoudn't really change from kick to kick, except for maybe anticipating the wind.

Bringing in a second assistant to work with the kickers sounds like a great idea, and frankly it shoudn't be a difficult job.

Posted by: Alan4 | January 18, 2011 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Kory L is the key to the future!

[right back at ya, RSH]

Posted by: dcsween | January 18, 2011 11:33 AM | Report abuse

6-2 287 will never cut it in the NFC East.

Posted by: edvar | January 18, 2011 10:31 AM

It will if you're playing DE, TE or FB...just sayin'...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 18, 2011 10:57 AM

Actually for a 3-4 DE that's to small...

To be fair...Kory Lichtensteiger is 6'3 295 and he's plenty big. The problem is we have 3 centers that make up out interior OL. This is magnified when the guy they start at C (Rabach) is complete garbage.

Steiger excels at run blocking and getting to the 2nd level and is below average at pass pro. Monty is adequate at best and will get better with time but should be used for depth.

Couple of options:

1. Move Steiger to C. Get two OGs in FA/draft.

2. Leave Steiger and Monty at OG. Draft a C (Pouncey/Wisnewski) or sign Kalil. A stout C would go a long way.

etc, etc..The only common denominator is that Rabach has to go.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 18, 2011 11:34 AM | Report abuse

If that clown comes back again, I'mma shoot myself.

Posted by: DikShuttle | January 18, 2011 9:39 AM

Not knowing dik about football is no reason to off yourself. Seek help.

Posted by: MrChip1 | January 18, 2011 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Actually for a 3-4 DE that's too small...


Posted by: Diesel44 | January 18, 2011 11:34 AM

Shaun Ellis, Trevor Pryce, and Darnell Dockett all send their regards...and those are just the guys off the top of my head...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 18, 2011 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Kory L is the key to the future!


I watched Seahawk LT Russell Okung get handled by Julius Peppers the other day.

I thought to myself, "A redskin fan would say that Okung sucked and the team should immediately replace him."

But commonsense dictates that Okung--like any other NFL rookie--is going to have issues facing some og the stellar one of a kind athletes playing in the league.

KL and TW and WM aren't all-world offensive linemen.

But like Okung, they are 1st time starteers and should be given some time to grow and mature into the role.

Remember: 3 of the 5 linemen we put on the field to end the year were 1st time starters.

And the folks who mock them want to replace them with draft picks who'll also have to learn.

Point?: you can't have it two ways.

You can't want to draft linemen then bemoan the play of young linemen.

Let's give these guys time.

And a lil patience.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 18, 2011 11:49 AM | Report abuse

You just supported my whole point. Suishan couldn't perform here because of Danny Smith. He went to a team where they have a special teams coach taht can develop kickers and look what happened.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 18, 2011 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Suisham's record with Skins:
2006 8/9
2007 29/35
2008 26/36
2009 18/21

And you are blaming that on Danny Smith? I think the reason they got rid of Swish was partly injury, and partly his kickoffs wouldn't reach goalline. NOt sure why there is so much hate for Danny Smith. He's one of the best ST coaches in the league.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 18, 2011 11:59 AM | Report abuse

My point is it all rides on Danny Smith because he says who his kicker is going to be. If he knew either one of those guys was a head case, then he should have axed them sooner. I think it boils down to coaching. Not everyone comes out of college knowing how to deal with pressure, but I suggest that can be coached. I just don't think Danny Smith invests enough time into that aspect of the game. I think the team would be brilliant if they went out and got a kicking specialist to work with the guys. The team brought in one assistant to help with the return game - Richard Hightower - and I think you can say that idea panned out. So, why not bring in a second assistant to work with the kickers?


Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 18, 2011 11:11 AM | Report abuse

I'm sure he gives his opinion but ultimately I'm sure it's Shanny who says who kicks or not.

If Danny needs an assistant, so be it, bring one in. I just feel like he's done a pretty good job otherwise with the coverage and return games that you shouldn't get rid of him cause a kicker misses a chip-shot field goal or a punter shanks one off his foot.

Posted by: monk811 | January 18, 2011 12:07 PM | Report abuse

saw lots of ex-redskins this weekend still playing...

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 18, 2011 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Okay reality check time.

Jason Campbell DID NOT win 8 games this season.

The Raiders did.

Campbell was ON THE BENCH for 3 of those wins. [Leaving five wins you MIGHT be able to credit to Campbell]

One of the others the Raiders had a RIDICULOUS running game. [Leaving four...]

Two others were one on turnovers recovered by the Defense or returns by Special Teams to either tie the game or set up the win. [Leaving two...]

So before we RE-annoint this J.C. a savior, let's at least break down the record HONESTLY, hmmmm?

and to that point I hadn't even mentioned that NEXT season teams will have film on him where they didn't THIS season...

Oak under JC in 2011 [IF there is even football]

Posted by: ThinkingMan | January 18, 2011 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Actually for a 3-4 DE that's too small...


Posted by: Diesel44 | January 18, 2011 11:34 AM

Shaun Ellis, Trevor Pryce, and Darnell Dockett all send their regards...and those are just the guys off the top of my head...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 18, 2011 11:47 AM

Shaun Ellis- 6'5 300
Trevor Pryce- 6'5 295
Darnell Dockett- 6'4 290

Keep trying..

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 18, 2011 12:16 PM | Report abuse

"6-2 287 will never cut it in the NFC East."


Yeah, but unfortunately...I think I was sitting next to her ta the Skins/Giants game on 1/2/2011....

Posted by: ThinkingMan | January 18, 2011 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Shaun Ellis, Trevor Pryce, and Darnell Dockett all send their regards...and those are just the guys off the top of my head...

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 18, 2011 11:47 AM

Shaun Ellis- 6'5 300
Trevor Pryce- 6'5 295
Darnell Dockett- 6'4 290

Keep trying..

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 18, 2011 12:16 PM | Report abuse

The top of your head's not cutting it, maybe go a little lower, like to the middle or bottom of your head!

Posted by: monk811 | January 18, 2011 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Shaun Ellis- 6'5 300
Trevor Pryce- 6'5 295
Darnell Dockett- 6'4 290

Keep trying..

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 18, 2011 12:16 PM

LOL...so Dockett wouldn't be a Pro-Bowler because of 3 pounds? Amazing...

And where did you see Ellis at 300 lbs? I've never seen him listed as more than 295, and NFL.com has him listed at 290:

http://www.nfl.com/players/shaunellis/profile?id=ELL621162

Hell, the Jets play Gholston at DE and he's only 260!

You want a bigger guy playing DE in a 3-4, I'm not challenging you on that...all I'm sayin' is you don't have to be 300 lbs. if you play big and with leverage.

Posted by: brownwood26 | January 18, 2011 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Point?: you can't have it two ways.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 18, 2011 11:49 AM

There is a joke about bi- or tranny in there somewhere.

Posted by: dcsween | January 18, 2011 12:32 PM | Report abuse

So before we RE-annoint this J.C. a savior, let's at least break down the record HONESTLY, hmmmm?

Posted by: ThinkingMan | January 18, 2011 12:14 PM | Report abuse
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Honestly? Like honestly honestly? Because honestly, you just proved the OP's point.

No one is saying JC is the savior, but they are saying he shouldn't have been traded. If JC were in town, DHall would have still 'won' us the Dallas and Chicago games, and the D would have still knocked out Vince Young, Mike Vick, and abused Aaron Rogers.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | January 18, 2011 12:33 PM | Report abuse

"Danny Smith plans to return to Redskins to coach special teams."

Does he have to?

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | January 18, 2011 12:33 PM | Report abuse

It's not the size of the dog in the fight...

But it helps when the dog is bigger and nastier.

It's also not so much the weight for the 3-4 DE...it's height, leverage, strength. That's why you rarely see any 3-4 DEs not 6'4 and above.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 18, 2011 12:37 PM | Report abuse

saw lots of ex-redskins this weekend still playing...

Posted by: 4thFloor | January 18, 2011 12:11 PM

Beside Randel El, Suisham, Chris Clemons, and Jason Taylor, who else am I missing?

Posted by: dcsween | January 18, 2011 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Beside Randel El, Suisham, Chris Clemons, and Jason Taylor, who else am I missing?

Posted by: dcsween | January 18, 2011 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Ryan Clark and Mark Brunell

Posted by: PAskinsfan17 | January 18, 2011 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Here are the current O-Linemen on the team who should stay and who should go?


61 Rabach, Casey C 6-4 288 8 Wisconsin 09-24-1977
Hopefully he is gone
58 Cook, Erik C/G 6-6 318 R New Mexico 07-05-1987
Stay
63 Montgomery, Will C/G 6-3 307 4 Virginia Tech 02-13-1983
Stay
66 Dockery, Derrick G 6-6 325 7 Texas 09-07-1980
Gone
78 Lichtensteiger, Kory G 6-3 290 2 Bowling Green 03-22-1985
Stay move to C
75 Hicks, Artis G/T 6-4 314 8 Memphis 11-28-1978
Gone
0 Williams, Mike G/T 6-6 339 6 Texas 01-11-1980
Gone
77 Brown, Jammal OT 6-6 313 5 Oklahoma 03-30-1981
Stay strater at RT
60 Capers, Selvish OT 6-4 308 R West Virginia 12-13-1985
Stay
67 Fulton, Xavier OT 6-5 301 2 Illinois 04-18-1986
Stay
74 Heyer, Stephon OT 6-6 332 3 Maryland 01-16-1984
Stay backup T
68 Oldenburg, Clint OT 6-5 310 1 Colorado State 09-09-1983
Stay
71 Williams, Trent OT 6-5 315 R Oklahoma 08-19-1988
Starter at LT

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 18, 2011 12:45 PM | Report abuse

It's also not so much the weight for the 3-4 DE...it's height, leverage, strength. That's why you rarely see any 3-4 DEs not 6'4 and above.

Posted by: Diesel44 | January 18, 2011 12:37 PM | Report abuse

I think that's why Kedric Golston hasn't become a real star yet. He has a good motor and doesn't give up, I just don't think he has the right body type to be a solid 3-4 DE, which is ashame, how do you cut a guy like that?

Posted by: monk811 | January 18, 2011 12:46 PM | Report abuse

So before we RE-annoint this J.C. a savior, let's at least break down the record HONESTLY, hmmmm?


I'd never anoint Jason Campbell as 'savior.'

But you'd be hard-pressed to prove that either Donovan McNabb or Rex Grossman brought any kind of salvation this past season.

And when you consider the draft picks we're missing from adding McNabb and the need, now, to find a good starter, I'd say we were in HELL.

Posted by: MistaMoe | January 18, 2011 12:52 PM | Report abuse

This is the current d-linemen on the team and in my opinion it is in far worse shape then the o-line.


94 Carriker, Adam DE 6-6 311 3 Nebraska 05-06-1984
Stay
93 Daniels, Phillip DE 6-5 302 14 Georgia 03-04-1973
Gone
64 Golston, Kedric DE 6-4 300 4 Georgia 05-30-1983
Stay
90 Jarmon, Jeremy DE 6-3 286 1 Kentucky 11-20-1987
Stay
72 Scott, Darrion DE 6-3 289 4 Ohio State 10-25-1981
Gone
69 Duncan, Rashaad DL 6-2 315 1 Pittsburgh 12-10-1986
Gone
91 Holliday, Vonnie DL 6-5 285 12 North Carolina 12-11-1975
Gone
73 Joseph, Joe DL 6-2 315 R Miami 10-20-1985
Gone
92 Haynesworth, Albert DT 6-6 335 8 Tennessee 06-17-1981
Gone
76 Bryant, Anthony NT 6-3 376 3 Alabama 11-16-1981
Stay
96 Kemoeatu, Ma'ake NT 6-5 364 8 Utah 01-10-1979
Gone

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 18, 2011 12:55 PM | Report abuse

What about Anthony Bryant, the 29yrs old 6'3 376lbs nose tackle? Am I wrong by my assessment that he seem to push the pocket on a consistent basis in the last 4 games? I wonder why no one rave about this rising star.

Posted by: abxinc | January 18, 2011 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 18, 2011 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Lick-my-stinger should be competing with Montgomery for a G spot. Rabach stays simply because we resigned him and he is the lesser of the problems we have to deal with, look for him to be released before the 2012 season. The hardest decision for me is whether to keep Hicks or Heyer for backup. Hicks can play and backup both G and T, but Heyer has started before, maybe he keeps improving, and he actually looked at G, should he be in the mix to start at G?

Posted by: monk811 | January 18, 2011 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Kory L is the key to the future!

[right back at ya, RSH]

Posted by: dcsween | January 18, 2011 11:33 AM
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Hey, that beats mine hands down.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 18, 2011 12:56 PM | Report abuse

What about Anthony Bryant, the 29yrs old 6'3 376lbs nose tackle? Am I wrong by my assessment that he seem to push the pocket on a consistent basis in the last 4 games? I wonder why no one rave about this rising star.

Posted by: abxinc | January 18, 2011 12:55 PM
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I wouldn't say he pushed the pocket. I think he held his own at the point of attack and I even saw him move laterally a little bit. The thing is, he couldn't make 30 snaps playing at that level. He's a good backup nose tackle. The team needs a quality starter at nose.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 18, 2011 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 18, 2011 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Lick-my-stinger should be competing with Montgomery for a G spot. Rabach stays simply because we resigned him and he is the lesser of the problems we have to deal with, look for him to be released before the 2012 season. The hardest decision for me is whether to keep Hicks or Heyer for backup. Hicks can play and backup both G and T, but Heyer has started before, maybe he keeps improving, and he actually looked at G, should he be in the mix to start at G?

Posted by: monk811 | January 18, 2011 12:56 PM
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Who knows what we have in Mike Williams? Maybe a decent journalist somewhere will get a little curious, knock on the guy's door, ask a few questions, and then write a little bit about it. My worries are 1) the obvious blood clotting problem and 2) the dude's history of weight problems.

I think it is a lock that Dockery will be gone. I think Capers might be done if he doesn't put on some muscle. Oldenberg is getting long in the tooth to begin talk of him "emerging" so I see him gone as well.

I would really like to see the team re-sign Brown and Heyer. The Redskins need depth at tackle. I don't know anything about the guys who were sitting on the practice squad at the end of the season other than Capers. My intuition tells me they are just warm bodies.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 18, 2011 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Factor in the Shanny love scale...

61 Rabach, Casey C 6-4 288 8 Wisconsin 09-24-1977
Hopefully he is gone

-Absolutely love him, he is one our our best performers. Adore his intelligence, he stays.
58 Cook, Erik C/G 6-6 318 R New Mexico 07-05-1987
Stay

-Who is this oh yeah PS guy, keep him we need more inexperienced centers, he stays.
63 Montgomery, Will C/G 6-3 307 4 Virginia Tech 02-13-1983
Stay

-Likes him but sees a potential for him to cut into Rabach pt, hes cut.
66 Dockery, Derrick G 6-6 325 7 Texas 09-07-1980
Gone

-Worst excuse for an olineman in years. This guy cant run thus he cant block, cut him twice.
78 Lichtensteiger, Kory G 6-3 290 2 Bowling Green 03-22-1985
Stay move to C

-Secret Weapon. he stays unless someone offers 2 first rounders
75 Hicks, Artis G/T 6-4 314 8 Memphis 11-28-1978
Gone

-Cant get enough of those proven vets, stays.

0 Williams, Mike G/T 6-6 339 6 Texas 01-11-1980
Gone

Who, gone, no more charity cases. cut

77 Brown, Jammal OT 6-6 313 5 Oklahoma 03-30-1981
Stay strater at RT

-Need tackles so he stays.
60 Capers, Selvish OT 6-4 308 R West Virginia 12-13-1985
Stay
- Oh your a converted TE thats only played 3 years of oline all on the right side. Lets make you the backup LT, stays.
67 Fulton, Xavier OT 6-5 301 2 Illinois 04-18-1986
Stay

-Huh?
74 Heyer, Stephon OT 6-6 332 3 Maryland 01-16-1984
Stay backup T

Awkward Tackles make for great guards, stay.
68 Oldenburg, Clint OT 6-5 310 1 Colorado State 09-09-1983
Stay

My kinda size, stay.
71 Williams, Trent OT 6-5 315 R Oklahoma 08-19-1988
Starter at LT

Clady 2.0. stay. Im a LT pickin machine.

Posted by: Flounder21 | January 18, 2011 12:45 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: Stu27 | January 18, 2011 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Obviously weight isn't a problem for Williams, he's kept it under control for over 2 years, but the blood clots are a valid concern. I think he's played his last game in a Redskin uniform, which is probably for the best anyway cause I doubt he would have been what Shanny wants in a G for his zone blocking scheme anyway.

As far as the D-line goes, we are severly screwed if we don't hit the FA market hard, and grab at least 1 or 2 decent prospects in the draft.

Posted by: monk811 | January 18, 2011 1:28 PM | Report abuse

You just supported my whole point. Suishan couldn't perform here because of Danny Smith. He went to a team where they have a special teams coach taht can develop kickers and look what happened.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 18, 2011 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Suisham's record with Skins:
2006 8/9
2007 29/35
2008 26/36
2009 18/21

And you are blaming that on Danny Smith? I think the reason they got rid of Swish was partly injury, and partly his kickoffs wouldn't reach goalline. NOt sure why there is so much hate for Danny Smith. He's one of the best ST coaches in the league.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 18, 2011 11:59 AM
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Aside from issues with the kicking game which seem to cost us 2-3 games a season, tell me where did the Redskins rank in punt return yardage before Brandon Banks (and the coach they brought in who specializes in returns)?

I am tired of hearing that Danny Smith is one of the best special teams coaches in the league. With the exception of this year, his return game has been weak. The only reason this year was better was because they brought in an assistant who specialized in returns. Every year there is an issue with a punter and/or a kicker. The only thing Smith is good at coaching is the coverage units. That's one third of his job, for Pete's sake!

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 18, 2011 1:31 PM | Report abuse

What about Anthony Bryant, the 29yrs old 6'3 376lbs nose tackle? Am I wrong by my assessment that he seem to push the pocket on a consistent basis in the last 4 games? I wonder why no one rave about this rising star.

Posted by: abxinc | January 18, 2011 12:55 PM


There's been plenty of rave about him on this blog - some of it a bit overblown, IMO.

I think the deal with Bryant is that he did a much better job in the games than Kemeaotu...but considering what a colossal disappoint Kemo was and our 31st ranked defense, how much is that saying really?

Bryant's best game came in the season finale versus the Giants, but the Giants were also playing their 3rd string center.

To me, Bryant seems like a guy you definitely keep around as a rotational player and give him more snaps than last year, but he's not going to be our "Vince Wilfork".

Posted by: p1funk | January 18, 2011 1:36 PM | Report abuse

As far as the D-line goes, we are severly screwed if we don't hit the FA market hard, and grab at least 1 or 2 decent prospects in the draft.

Posted by: monk811 | January 18, 2011 1:28 PM
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I dunno. They def need a nose tackle, but I think they could get by with Carriker and Holiday at ends, with Golston / Jarmin providing depth at end and Bryant as a backup nose. Then they just sprinkle in a few free agents. Of course, they have to re-sign Holiday and Golston, and they have to hit the jackpot on a nose tackle.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 18, 2011 1:36 PM | Report abuse

I am tired of hearing that Danny Smith is one of the best special teams coaches in the league. With the exception of this year, his return game has been weak. The only reason this year was better was because they brought in an assistant who specialized in returns. Every year there is an issue with a punter and/or a kicker. The only thing Smith is good at coaching is the coverage units. That's one third of his job, for Pete's sake!

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 18, 2011 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Danny Smith is one of the best special teams coaches in the league.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 18, 2011 1:46 PM | Report abuse

poll beeps

Posted by: frediefritz | January 18, 2011 1:49 PM | Report abuse

I am tired of hearing that Danny Smith is one of the best special teams coaches in the league. With the exception of this year, his return game has been weak. The only reason this year was better was because they brought in an assistant who specialized in returns. Every year there is an issue with a punter and/or a kicker. The only thing Smith is good at coaching is the coverage units. That's one third of his job, for Pete's sake!

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 18, 2011 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Danny Smith is one of the best special teams coaches in the league.

Posted by: frediefritz | January 18, 2011 1:46 PM
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Did you form that opinion based on what you have seen over the years or by what you've been told by some talking on Sports Center?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | January 18, 2011 1:52 PM | Report abuse

With the benefit of 20/20 hindsight, I wonder why so many teams apparently missed on Aaron Rodgers - I assume there were several that wanted a QB that could've had him... Why was nothing seen on film or in all the other qualification efforts that would've indicated he could be this good, that would've had him taken in the top 10 etc? I guess I'd have the same question re Brady, albeit more emphatically.

Posted by: Oogalaboogala | January 17, 2011 7:11 PM | Report abuse

The knock on Aaron Rodgers, was that he didn't have a great arm and that he was a Jeff Tedford product.

A lot of Tedford's QBs have failed in the league and he got tarred with the same brush. His success in college was dismissed as being the result of a QB friendly system and outstanding coaching. Turns out it might have had something to do with being really talented.

I liked him more than Alex Smith in that draft but it was regarded as a weak draft for QB's. It was meant to be deep at CB, but look what happened there, arguably 3 busted picks in the top-10. One couldn't behave himself. One cannot catch and the other one was free-safety before the end of his rookie contract and was allowed to leave as a free agent.

The trade for Jason Campbell was a shocker at the time. We gave away far too much to move up the number of places we did. A lot of draftniks felt that it was totally unnecessary because he wasn't that highly rated by other teams and me might well have got him later. God knows what happened in the draft room that day. Considering that we played Brunell for another two years, without attempting to find an alternative through free-agency, and sat Campbell for two years; why was there such urgency to draft a QB that high, that year?

Posted by: WeNeedLinemen | January 18, 2011 7:07 PM | Report abuse

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