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The Sports Reporters - An Oxymoron? Or Maybe Just A Mor...

For all of you loyal sports radio hounds, I was ordered to ask a few questions to Gibbs and Saunders today that I already knew the answer to. But I guess that's what happens in a market with misguided "experts" on the radio.

Must be easy to sit, all cozy and clueless in a studio, like two morning microphone jockeys I can think of. You can spout off about everything, call yourself a "Sports Reporter," and go off halfcocked all day long without ever doing anything remotely constructive to actually report anything. So much for common sense. So much for accountability.

Al Saunders calls all the plays. He's called every play all year long. He said so. Gibbs said so. Getting to the 35-yard line has nothing to do with anything.

Saunders has 10 seconds to get the play in - not exactly time for a caucus - but then again any "sports reporter" who had actually ever stepped foot in this building during the entire three years of this Gibbs era would already know that. Gibbs converses between plays and sets up strategy, and QB Coach Bill Lazor relays it to Brunell's helmet. Gibbs handles fourth down decisions, when to kick, etc. Saunders calls the plays. It really is that simple.

Basically, all of this was covered in depth in January when the coaching transition took place, and has happened exactly according to that plan since then. There's a reason why a dedicated group of beat writers from various media organizations did not raise an eyebrow during Monday's press conference when Gibbs was asked about playcalling and the fourth-down decision to try the field goal. It's because there was absolutely no news in his response. One radio station turned their misguided opinions into a crusade, taking aim at people who actually do real journalism for a living in the process.

Hmmm. Who would you believe?

All I know about Steve Czaban is that Gibbs refused to talk to him a few years back after he missed the boat entirely again on another non-story, when Gibbs made some jokes with NASCAR reporters. A short while later Gibbs was off the air with that station entirely.

So that might explain the juvenile conspiracy theories right there. It also explains why I love the IPOD connector in my car. Listen at your own peril.

By Jason La Canfora  |  October 11, 2006; 4:59 PM ET
 
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SAN FRANCISCO!!
Ok I am done for the day.

Glad I dont listen to sports talk, guy sounds like a real tardo.

Posted by: gatorskinz2000 | October 11, 2006 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Whats up with this post
i dont understand it at all
please enlighten us

Posted by: Context | October 11, 2006 5:12 PM | Report abuse

YEAH LA CANFORA!!! That's what I'm talkin' about, SON! Put it right in Czaban's eyepiece. Anyone that gives themselves a nickname, like "The Czabe" is an L-Bag. He does not get invited to parties. I stopped watching the Comcast post-game because of Steve Czaban. The show sucked anyway, but I wanted an explanation from the players as to why they let me down. But it wasn't worth listening to "The Czabe" tell me why the Defense got a D-.

The only thing the matter with you La Canfora is that you didn't like the Dirty Pretty Things album. I just don't understand.

Posted by: The Governor | October 11, 2006 5:13 PM | Report abuse

jason, i love you. i loved bram when he was with 980. i love all the beat reporters. and beat reporters DO have all the juiciest stories. i love the post (though i love "tk stack money" the most). but gibbs mentioned the 35 yard line in his monday presser. he said he gets into play calling after they "cross the 35 yard line".

i listen to 980 but i haven't had the chance to this week(except for coach t show once) because i didn't want to...too depressed to after the loss. so i didn't know what 980 was saying about it.

on behalf of everyone who wanted to get clarification i'm sorry to have made you look stupid for asking the question.

just for that 20's are for dimes and dimes are for nickles. buy 2 and get one free. :)

ps...my rss feed doesn't work for this site?...anyone else having problems with the feed? (using google desktop).

Posted by: dealer | October 11, 2006 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Sports Radio is the scourge of modern sports. Most of these guys are knuckleheads, and the callers ("long-time listener, first-time caller!") are even worse. Real journalism is a true profession, with associated history and a code of ethics. Sports Radio is nothing more than giving a microphone to imbeciles who have nothing better to do.

Lather, rinse, repeat my above statements for NFL pre-game shows.

Posted by: P Diddy | October 11, 2006 5:14 PM | Report abuse

damn you extra syllable in understand, almost haikud without realizing!

Posted by: Context | October 11, 2006 5:17 PM | Report abuse

I'm going to allow DPT to grow on me. I'm just not luvin in yet.

The problem is that station's reporter asked a question about a specific instance in which Gibbs opted for a field goal. Coach gave a response to that question in that context. Everyone in the room understood he was speaking to that instance alone.

I guess some people at one station didn't get it, so rather than ask a follow up question or do some work to get an answer, they blasted a group of journalists who didn't ask about it ... because they are on the ball and already knew it was a non story.

The paid yappers then sit back and play editor and go on the radio about what stories should be in my paper, and how we don't ask real questions.
Please, I get called a lot of things while doing this job, but soft ain't one of them.

Don't call me out on air if you don't want to get smacked back in the face with the truth.

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | October 11, 2006 5:19 PM | Report abuse

I heard this on the radio this morning and didn't know what to think, other than that Czabe took some big swings at the Post's coverage of the 'Skins. Although, he did say you guys have gotten better now that Snyder hates the post.

All that said, I enjoy your stories in the paper and this blog. I'd have to say that the jury is still out whether the 'Skins have too many cooks in the kitchen, in terms of the coaching staff. A little consistency would be nice, maybe a long-term plan and a team philosophy, but I've long since given up hope for that.

Posted by: TMC | October 11, 2006 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Czabe responds: "What do you mean I go off half-cocked? I put my whole--oh, never mind. Anyway, I'll have you know that I spend at least 1/2 hour every day scouring the newspaper and internet for all things burgundy and gold. Plus, I talk to my gardener (not, Gardner, Rod) and for the parts I'm able to translate, I am kept up on the goings on at The Park. There is a vast conspiracy going on--perpetuated by The Danny and The Lackey--about which I and my co-microphone monkey must debate in order to fill the airwaves to enlighten and inform the good people of the Metropolitan DC area to remove them from the clutches of The Media--particularly one King George "Coach, It's Not Me, but People are Saying..." Michael. Without us, who would stop to ponder what Gibbs meant when he paused before answering a question or gave that maniacal laugh instead of answering a question. You NEED me in that booth. You WANT me in that booth. Now, unless you're willing to pick up a microphone, just sit back and listen. And learn. Czabe out."

Posted by: Greenbaby Girl | October 11, 2006 5:21 PM | Report abuse

interesting division of responsibilities. On 3rd & 1, Saunders makes a play call not knowing whether going on 4th is likely. I think that effects the play call. If its a 2 down situation, you might run inside (where the "Skins had success), realizing that a stop still gives you another shot.

If the 'Skins win on Sunday and make it to 3-3, its still a huge challenge to get to the playoffs. The current records of the rest of the teams on the schedule after Tenn (counting Eagles 2x cuz we play them 2x) is 31-15!!

Posted by: AL | October 11, 2006 5:22 PM | Report abuse

if you read this blog i think you know I've pointed out some flaws in this system. I also know that since I've been on the beat ain't nobody who's been paying attention saying we're a mouthpiece for the team.
I don't think you'd hear that from the Caps or the Red Wings or the Orioles or any other team I've covered.
I try to give the fans the best information possible and be as accurate as possible, but I make it pretty clear I'm working for the reader, and the reader alone.

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | October 11, 2006 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Al, Saunders does know. That's the point.
They communicate about those situations and Saunders knows with a few play cushion what Joe is thinking based on where they are on the field.
But Al calls the plays.

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | October 11, 2006 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Thank, Jason. I feel the exact same way about sports talk radio. It's a world where there's no difference between facts and opinions. They're always right and you can't disagree with them with them turning it in a juvenile rant. Even if the facts are readily available they're willfully ignored so that the yakker du jor can press his opinion as fact. Yesterday I erased 980 from my radio and I'm not looking back. I couldn't take it anymore.

Posted by: Omar | October 11, 2006 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Thank you JaLC for calling out those clowns, finally. Once the folks left for Triple Ex: Bram, Riggo fulltime, and Jacoby etc, the 980 ship has quickly began to sink. I'm 3000 miles away and listen on the internet and know that guys are just yapping about nothing. They are the ultimate in I love to hear the sound of my own voice. This is exactly we we still need beat writers like you that actually have a shred of journalistic integrity.

Posted by: PSUAsh | October 11, 2006 5:29 PM | Report abuse

I was listening to that on the way to work this morning. J La C...I'm with you 100%. Czaban is a fan who is on the air. That's all. Nothing more, nothing less.

Posted by: Traffic Guy | October 11, 2006 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Speaking as a Skins fan from outside the beltway, who is forced to endure national coverage by Fox Sports Radio: Even James Washington, ex-Cowboy, is more interesting to listen to than Czabe.

Posted by: Rain Man | October 11, 2006 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Nothing worse than a fan hosting a show and claiming to be a journalist.
How about a moment of silence for Cory Lidle...

Posted by: Traffic Guy | October 11, 2006 5:34 PM | Report abuse

JCL don't let that clown get under your skin. I can only listen to 980 on my computer after work. (Damn I hate living in Jerzy) You do great work and have a strong following on you blog(Cindy you know you are included sweetie)Which I am sure he wish he had. You're the man bra. Keep up the good work.

Posted by: jm220 | October 11, 2006 5:36 PM | Report abuse

There are yodelers and there are journalists. Czabe is a yodeler. JaLa is a journalist.

Posted by: TechNomad | October 11, 2006 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Jason--how pumped are you that a entry about the punting situation churned out so many responses. Your blog is blowing up....DailyKos watch out.

Posted by: PSUAsh | October 11, 2006 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Along a similar vein...a few months back, I was terribly hungover and staring at my couch. My dog wouldn't come near me, I think I might have pissed my girlfriend off the night before, I smelled of stale alcohol, and I'm pretty sure I was incapable of uttering a complete sentence.

I figured it was the perfect time to watch my first NASCAR race.

They were advertising this silly thing that you could buy on the Internets that let you listen in on the Pit Crew to Driver radio. Being the conspicuous consumer that I am, I subscribed and it turned out to be as interesting as NASCAR: for five minutes, I was completely enthralled.

Which got me thinking...what would I do if I were in charge of the NFL? You're looking for new revenue streams for the League. Beyond the obvious dealio of making NFL Sunday Ticket available streaming over the Internets, of course.

What if they would let you subscribe to Coach-QB chatter? Perhaps on a one play delay or something. I'd pause and restart the TiVo to listen in real-time. I would EASILY pay hundreds of dollars for this per season.

What if they let you subscribe to coach's tape (of all the games, at different angles, just like coaches watch) that you could watch at your leisure throughout the season? Again, I would EASILY pay for this. No questions asked, actually.

In any event, I think this Goodell dude was a great choice. He's young, he's going to actively invest in technology for the fans, and he's the right guy to bring the League into the 21st century.

Ah, but I've digressed off topic. What were we talking about again? Is Jason Campbell starting yet? Did Nick Novak get my crockpot?

Posted by: P Diddy | October 11, 2006 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Still waiting for the injury report so I can get the heck out of here ...
The blog is all about you guys. You make it fun and keep it real.

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | October 11, 2006 5:45 PM | Report abuse

I've listened to Czabe in the past and am sorry that he tried to take on our main man, Mister JLaC. Sometimes he has a good take or has an interesting point to make. I liked his recent editorial on his website about the defensive problems.

One should not confuse what he does with journalism, however. He's definitely got an axe to grind with the Redskins.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | October 11, 2006 5:48 PM | Report abuse

P Diddy, we were talking about the upcoming cage match between Jason and Steve Czaban. There are real wrestlers, then there are "professional" wrestlers.

Seriously, I'm with you, Jason LaC. I get pretty steamed by pretenders who tell me how to do my job (stuff like, "how come you are on the internet every time I walk by your office?"). Stick it to him.

Also to P.Diddy ... on this blog recently, Jason reported about some kind of Kangaroo television where people could rent these little screens to watch the game (presumably for replays) while they are at the game. Not quite Coach-QB chatter, but still, its a step in the right direction.

Posted by: dcsween | October 11, 2006 5:48 PM | Report abuse

JLC I have to admit I love Coach T show. What I love most about him is he say he don't know and ask Doc walker or whoever the guess is.

Posted by: jm220 | October 11, 2006 5:49 PM | Report abuse

No need to rush outta there if you take the beltway into MoCo...it's nasty bad

Posted by: Traffic Guy | October 11, 2006 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Nick got the crockpot. Making a roast in it tonight.

Diddy - love your ideas. I am sure my paper would let me subscribe to that and then turn it as a business expense. Being able ot listen in on that would rock.

Alright, I'm outta here. I think I'm hitting Theismann's in Old Towne with a buddy to watch the game.
With any luck I'll run into the 980 sports team and maybe the Channel 4 news team and we can all have a brawl on King Street.
I'll be the short dude with the trident.
Peace.

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | October 11, 2006 5:50 PM | Report abuse

JLC lay the smack down on their candy (fill in the black)

Posted by: jm220 | October 11, 2006 5:52 PM | Report abuse

We have the smartest Nation ever on this blog! But then I knew that the first time "Anchorman" was gratuitously referenced.

Posted by: Jason's editor | October 11, 2006 6:10 PM | Report abuse

YEAH LA CANFORA.....I am so tired of hearing Czabe state things as facts that are BAD speculatiion and its always way of base. Why do we have this in a local market, who is the target audience he is going after in those post game and radio shows. We have to deal with personnal attacks from the national media but not the local. I am not against negative articles as long as they are based on facts with reliable sources. By the way any moran could look at the plays called inside the 35 and realize Gibbs wasnt calling them!

Posted by: Dke | October 11, 2006 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Jason - great piece on those no-nothings on WTEM. I also refuse to watch or listen to any show that Czaben is on. If he can't even get in Redskin Park how can he "report" on the team. I don't see how B-Mitch puts up w/his crap.
Again great job

Posted by: DPH60 | October 11, 2006 6:48 PM | Report abuse

If it's any consolation Jason this is nothing compared to what's happening on talk radio in rabid college football markets. You go to some of the smaller markets that are home to SEC teams and you wouldn't believe what's being broadcast.

Posted by: Old City | October 11, 2006 7:25 PM | Report abuse

ummmm what's the difference between us and the people who call in radio shows other than the medium (phone vs. computer)?

please enlighten me!

jason, without listening to czabe or anyone else i had the same reaction. like "what he just say?"...and wanted to ask you (since you're the most convenient person to ask) what he meant by that. i had never heard of 35 yard line until joe mentioned it himself.

and btw you trust the skins or joe? same joe who said "ramsey will be our starter" and pulled the plug on him after a quarter and a half? the same joe who called smoot and pierce "core redskin guys" and let them go a month later? frankly i trust czabe more than i trust gibbs. at least he doesn't have any agenda. he's had one tone towards the skins before and after he p-ed off gibbs. unlike the post which switched it's beat reporter. why? (not that i don't agree with their decision!)

how about a full disclosure like "the reason gibbs left 980 is because he wants to work for another radio station which happened to be owned by his boss, snyder."

and the fact that you used to work for 980 last year (admirably, i may add) and now you work for 1500 owned by your parent company washington post, washpost radio.

i go to the "horse's mouth" to get info. i go to redskins.com to get all the raw information like pressers so i can interpret it myself. also so i can see an agenda when i hear/see it. and yes, 980 does have an axe to grind because snyder stole their best beat reporter and john riggins and joe gibbs show from them and [snyder] has put up a rival station just like washpost radio.

anyways...keep up the good work. and i'm still a believer unless they don't win the sb this year and then i better hear you beat out (980's idiotic beat reporter..how did he get a press pass?) to ask gibbs all the hard questions. like "will you cut bruneel now?". "is your job safe?" :)

peace! out!

Posted by: dealer | October 11, 2006 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs stopped going on Czaban (and Andy Pollin's) show because they asked him questions that Gibbs did not like. To keep Gibbs on the air, they changed to Bram Weinstein who served up one softball after another to Gibbs. Mr. Weinsten joined XXX and was asked to bring his softballs with him too. No doubt the journalist above ordered to ask Gibbs a question Gibbs wanted asked obliged. No one on the planet considers Czaben or Mike and Mike or Kornhiser or George Michaels or Riggo or BMitch or George Thompson journalist/reporters. Criticizing them because they are not reporters is a bit silly. If this guy (the author above) thinks he is a reporter he is delusional. If you ask Gibbs a tough (but fair) question, you get shut out. So ask him if he is proud of his team? Or did they play hard? Or is he a great guy off the field? Do that and you can have access. Do it enough and you can get hired at XXX or NBC 4.

Posted by: Robert Fenili | October 11, 2006 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Amen, Old City. I was in Tuscaloosa for a year.

JLaC, keep it up. I can't stand Czaban, and I'm happy to see that there are many of us who can't. Maybe his higher-ups will tune into this blog and realize there might someone out there who can do a better job. we can only hope.

Posted by: RedEd | October 11, 2006 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Sports talk radio
Like emperor with no clothes:
Pure naked non-Czense.

(No charge for the embedded pun.)

Posted by: HaikuMan | October 11, 2006 9:42 PM | Report abuse

rob, i agree with everything you said. i don't know how you're contradicting me.( if you are...)

Posted by: dealer | October 11, 2006 9:45 PM | Report abuse

not sure what the czabe has been up to, used to have to tune in to 980 over the internet before the danny put EVERYTHING up on the net . . .out here the local ESPN station has done pretty well in the AM with DenverPost writer Jim Armstrong. Wouldn't mind seeing more of that, but then again, probably wouldn't work with the danny owning the content . . .at least there this little corner where I get the occasional mor...comment mixed in with witty banter and all that with no commercials!

Posted by: skinsfan8kaboveMSL | October 11, 2006 11:33 PM | Report abuse

This is a cheap shot a Czaban. Everyone knows that Czaban/Pollin, etc. are not reporters, but commentators. They give their opinion and that's that. I agree with an earlier poster who implied that Gibbs is defensive and only deals with those who allow him to remain in his comfort zone (softball questions). Gibbs interrupts questioners when he sees a tough question coming...just listen to his press conferences. Furthermore, Czaban's analysis of the Redskins failures (under Snyde's ownership) is pretty much on the money.

Posted by: dillon74 | October 12, 2006 12:05 AM | Report abuse

dillon, I think that's the point. They're commentators but in this case they were acting like reporters, blowing up a non-story about the playcalling. Reporters like our man J-La, who follow the team closely, knew from the beginning that Gibbs would have input on key decisions. But the radio guys turned it into something entirely different than the reality of the situation.

The radio guys do this sort of thing just so fans will call in and spout off about it. There's little accountability for the radio sports reporters, just a desire to get people listening, better ratings, more ad dollars.

It's not a cheap shot at all. If anything its a fair commentary on sports radio. In the past, Czabe has had some good takes on this and that. He can be fun to listen to or read. But he should stick to editorializing and leave reporting to the pros.

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | October 12, 2006 12:29 AM | Report abuse

Another Barno re-post. I believe I started the Czaban talk in the last thread, so I'd just like to put up my 2 cents again.

I used to respect Steve Czaban (sp?) and his opinions about the redskins. I used to think, this is the one guy covering the skins that thinks the same way about the team and any issues surrounding them that I do.

No more.

This guy is off his rocker lately. He was going on and on and on this morning on sportstalk980 about how earth shattering it was that Gibbs "admitted" at his monday press conference that he makes the calls on whether to go for it on 4th down.

How could Czaban not have known this was the case, after the countless stories about his and Saunders' role going into this season? Gibbs saying this on Monday was not news, it had been reported probably dozens of times in the Post and other local papers this season and pre-season.

So, what is wrong with this guy?

Posted by: Barno | October 11, 2006 04:00 PM

Posted by: Barno | October 12, 2006 1:15 AM | Report abuse

Hey there. Bottom line is don't pick a fight if you ain't got a clue.
Trust me, if all of my reporting amounted to asking Joe questions on Monday - and that was the extent of my digging - I'd have been fired long ago.
The point is if you're going to spend an hour blowing up the local media and going off on something you have no clue about, you might want to do a little homework first, not try to deconstruct one little clip from a press conference.
Czaban is the one taking cheap shots, and it's about time he and other vacant talking heads realize they don't exist in a vacum.
Imagine if any of our columnists was as consistently wrong and ill-informed as some of these guys. Wouldn't happen, would it.
All I am is sayin is maybe they should let reality get in the way of a good conspiracy theory every once in a while.
Again, I'm just reacting to them. Don't call me out if you're dead wrong.

Posted by: Jason La Canfora | October 12, 2006 1:20 AM | Report abuse

JLaCa-

Watch out for TK's MNFbus runnin' ya ovahhh out there!ha!

Posted by: Pink C.C.- | October 12, 2006 2:05 AM | Report abuse

Finally! Some good healthy dialogue on the topic! I am inviting Jason on our show today, so we can hash this out further. It will be civil (if he accepts) but I am sure spirited.

I don't think I blasted LaCanfora directly. I actually think Jason does a good job overall.

The point of my blast yesterday, and perhaps it was lost, is this.

I know that Gibbs has the "red light/green light" authority on 4th down.

HOWEVER, in this case, Gibbs mentioned how "once inside the 35" he and Al would be "talking" on "those key plays down there".

Which I think is a FAR cry from just Gibbs saying he makes 4th and short calls.

Now maybe I am wrong, but the larger point was that here was a NICE FAT JUICY story to pursue if you are a reporter of this team - which I am emphatically NOT, and I make that point all the time.

And by pursue the story, I mean don't just say: "Oh, we all knew this a long time ago."

That's "knowing" not "reporting."

And given recent developments with the team's play - e.g. the false starts/delay penalties RIGHT AROUND the 35 - and issues about plays getting into #8 on time, I think a sidebar story somewhere about all this is MORE THAN WARRANTED.

How about the Post running a chart showing how the "system" - which Jason and "everybody" else KNOWS about - actually works during a game.

How about asking Al Saunders if he's comfortable with this.

How about asking other NFL teams, "does your OC/playcaller handle go/no go situations or does the head coach? Do they "consult" inside the 35.

How about asking how many times Gibbs has over-ruled Saunders on plays?

I mean, all I am asking for, is for people to be ASKING these things. That's all. They are all very valid questions, that will help peel back the WALL of platitudes that Gibbs is so good and putting up to the media.

Could I go out to Redskins Park and ask these myself? Sure. Should I be forced to?

F no! That's not MY job.

I do 6 hours of radio a day, and participate in 3 different shows. That's MY job. I'm not supposed to also have to go out and ask these questions to find out what the F is going on with my team's offense.

It would be like me asking Jason to come in and do my shows one day, if he doesn't like my commentary.

I know first hand how crafty Gibbs is regarding tough questions. When he was on with Andy and myself, we were always cordial but unflinching in asking things that were uncomfortable.

And UNLIKE the case at Redskin park in a group situation, WE had total control of follow up questions. And Gibbs.. oh boy, he did NOT like that.

The most telling exchange was my questions about the team's preference for free agents and not draft picks.

Gibbs is "answer" was to defend all the signings (which conveniently glossed over the Barrow fiasco, while hyping ol' Tom Tupa as a "rocketship").

Now, in a group setting, you can't follow that answer up, which is no knock on Jason or any other reporter.

My follow up to him however, was that when you go all FA's you are always paying "retail" for even the players who turn out well, and that affects your cap. In other words, you never get a real BARGAIN of a player like you can in the draft.

Gibbs responded by saying he thinks the cap is the "most over talked about thing" in the NFL. Which to me, at least, registered a wow.

Not long after that, Gibbs was back in the safe clutches of Larry Michael on WJFK.

Which is FINE! I don't begrudge Gibbs or the Redskins for doing it. They want cozy? Go get cozy, it's your team.

But I'm not going to change MY style or back down on things I have questions about just because it might jeopardize the relationship. I gotta do, what I gotta do.

Anyway, I think this story of playcalling is NOT going to go away, and I think we will "know" more about it in the coming weeks.

Now maybe Jason and Co. will have "known" all we're about to find out for a long time, my hope is that they simply share it with us.

An article or two, would be nice.

End of rant.
Czabe

Posted by: Steve Czaban | October 12, 2006 8:02 AM | Report abuse


(Charges forth as LimerickMan, Defender of the Faith)

Ignorance is not the story.
The attacks are old and hoary:
A vapid, ranting show
Zinging those who know
In some childish need for glory.

Posted by: HaikuMan | October 12, 2006 8:17 AM | Report abuse

To Dealer - sory I meant the author of the article (La Conforma) - Your post was right on.

Posted by: Robert Fenili | October 12, 2006 8:19 AM | Report abuse

So the team pancake breakfast is tomorrow morning at nine, instead of eight.

Posted by: Greg (Boston) | October 12, 2006 8:31 AM | Report abuse

End of rant.
Czabe

ThankGawd, now go away.

Posted by: Megskin | October 12, 2006 8:44 AM | Report abuse


I posted my little quip prior to seeing that Mr. Czeban posted. In an effort to rise about the fun of simply bashing each other, I other the following as an attempted serious response:

I think your response, sir, is a strawman fallacy of changing the point after the fact. It seems to me that the issue yesterday was making a big deal that Gibbs' "admitted" to something and then criticizing the beat reporters for not following up on this so-called confession. (The beat reporters include Mr. LaCanfora, although you may not have called him out by name.) The instigating issues were not your ability to conduct interviews or ask hardball questions or Mr. La Canfora's ability to conduct a talk radio show. Nor was it the Post's overall coverage of the Skins or the suggestions that you made above about stories the Post should be running. Just as we have no idea what your show will be covering tomorrow, you also have no idea what is in the works over at the Post. It seems to me that the Post publishes in-depth stories such as your suggested topics on Sundays (or the day of a game). Certainly given what happened during last Sunday's game, I don't find your ideas an unreasonable line of pursuit. However, again, that was NOT the point you were making yesterday -- you specifically focused on Gibbs' supposed "admission" or "confession," which the beat reporters knew was neither. You comment that you'd hope these beat reporters would "share" what they "know" yet at the beginning of your post you stated "I know that Gibbs has the "red light/green light" authority on 4th down." You knew that because it had already been reported (since, as you say, it isn't your job to go out there and find out yourself.) As an educated fan, I certainly already knew this -- which is why I found your rants yesterday about the beat reporters not pressing Gibbs on this "confession" as off base. I seriously doubt that ANY of the topics that you suggested could be covered by simply asking a tough follow up question to Gibbs at his weekly press conference. So linking the two today and saying THAT was your point yesterday doesn't seem accurate to me.

After the fact, you cannot change your more tactical points and criticisms to some overarching commentary on the Post's coverage, Gibbs' ability to avoid questions in a group setting, and your self-serving review of your hard-hitting interviews with Gibbs (even if your descriptions are accurate.) Your post here changed the argument and then sought to provide a more measured and reasonable response to your revised interpretation of the situation.

As for inviting Mr. La Canfora to your show, while part of me thinks that would be worth listening to, my main thought is that I hope Jason declines. While YOUR job is to MAKE news to support your ratings, I don't think Mr. La Canfora or the Post should fall into that trap of becoming the news, vice reporting it.

Regards,
jww

Posted by: HaikuMan | October 12, 2006 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Megskin I 2nd that. Go away now!

Posted by: jm220 | October 12, 2006 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Wow, I have been reading this blog and not participating for awhile now. But this is too much fun!!!

La Canfora, I am digging your updating the fan base on our team, thanks. It's nice to get an unbiased opinion and news.

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | October 12, 2006 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Woo-hoo, the stars are coming out! Czabe making an appearance in here is better than Jamie Fox showing his face in the MNF booth. Who else wants to do a cameo? Is Theismann out there? "Best... blog... ever."

Posted by: Joe in Raleigh | October 12, 2006 9:44 AM | Report abuse

I just want to echo everyone else's thoughts that Steve Czaban is a huge giant turd. I make sure to not watch Redskins Postgame on Comcast because that clown is on there. He's loud, pompous, and arrogant. Even Elliot in the Morning can't stand him. Or Andy Polin for that matter. That guy is another tool. Not to be confused with the almighty rock band TOOL. I stopped listening to their show well over a year ago after Czabe went off on some 10 minute tirade because the Nats field was messed up because of DC United playing a soccer game there. It's like c'mon loser, get over it. Plus DCU is better than the Nats anyway.

Posted by: Chief Clancy Wiggum | October 12, 2006 9:53 AM | Report abuse

For Haiku man...

You are correct in that I respond to Jason's blog today about the nature of my "cozy" perch here in the studio, more so than the actual diatribe yesterday.

I am responding to his blog. He ripped us for not getting out there. I responded to that charge appropriately here.

Back to the story about Gibbs and playcalling....

I think this is being under-reported. Period. Not just by Jason and the Post. But other outlets at Redskin park.

And by this, I don't mean anybody has to take sides, or rip Gibbs of Saunders, or declare the system a failure.

No. No. No. No. No.

I just think more light should be brought to it. More stories, more questions, more detail on the process and how it is working out, not just a stock "we know" and "it was discussed in JANUARY!"

In football terms we are so far from January, you can't just hang your hat on that.

Good points, though..

sc

Posted by: Steve Czaban | October 12, 2006 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Jason: Maybe you can get the Post or some company to print up a bunch of Redskins Insider T-shirts. Or at least some bumper stickers. If they can do it for Mr. Tony they can do it for you. That'd be the joint!

Posted by: Chief Clancy Wiggum | October 12, 2006 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Oh gee wilickers "The Czabe". You're my hero. I don't know what I'd do if you changed YOUR style and did not do what you have to do.

Posted by: The Me | October 12, 2006 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Steve, don't like watching your shows because you remind me alot of Steak Shapiro down in ATL but I do enjoy your czabe.com post everyday.

My initial reaction was similiar to yours and i was aghast. But after I did my research I realized
1. It's not as uncommon as you might think.
2. It's not as bad as it sounded when it came out of Gibbs' mouth.
3. It can actually function quite well. (Go read Judge @sportsline on Mornehwig and Reid up in Philly seems to do ok up there)

Now you can say you aren't a reporter and that's fine. It does not however absolve you of being a responsible broadcaster. You are paid to be a personality and be opinionated to be sure but you are also assumed to be informed on the subject you speak on.

I agreed with everything you said until you called everyone else out. As big a Gibbs fan as I am I think he does himself a diservice by cashing in clout to avoid any type of accountability. You however crossed the line when you basically called everyone else out. What you should have said was, "I think there is a story here so I'M going to get to the bottom of it and get back to you my faithful readers."

Posted by: Skinz | October 12, 2006 10:03 AM | Report abuse

jason, after reading steve's response i have no idea why you got all hot over this. especially when he didn't call you out by name. after isn't 980's beat reporter out there as well. so he was chiding everyone in that room and not just you. and for you to claim "we knew" is not good enough. if you guys knew then why were we all who saw the presser live had the same reaction as steve. "35" was never mentioned in any of your stories or anyone else's anywhere.

BUT it doesn't matter. i, personally don't give a crap who calls the plays or who doesn't as long as they win. it would've been a non-issue had they won. but they didn't.

here's why i don't care anymore:

1. this is joe gibbs 3rd year of his 5 year contract.
2. if gibbs doesn't win a superbowl this year he won't win one next year because of the QB situation.
3. so if the skins don't make it to the superbowl, will joe gibbs ask for an extension going in to the next season? will he have EARNED an extension of $7 mill a year (plus all those friends of his that are on skins payroll like don breux) after 4 years?

yes, i'm obsessed! this blog should be called "vent your spleen!" :)

jason alert: jason's about to be on 980 with steve czaben...atleast that's what they're saying...

Posted by: dealer | October 12, 2006 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Chief Clancy Wiggum, I am for the Reaper T-Shirts myself. I telling you JLC it would sell. Showing Taylor about to lay the smack down on someone. Ok Ok, I got to calm down. I am at work and the G fans will realize I not doing work. lol

Posted by: jm220 | October 12, 2006 10:11 AM | Report abuse

dealer, tell me how it goes down with JLC on the show. I am in Jersey bra and not able to listen at work. (damn firewalls lol)

Posted by: jm220 | October 12, 2006 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Jason.....lighten up. If you have a problem asking the questions, deal with your editors and ask why they let a radio show dictate your assignements. I read the post for news and listen to the radio for opinions. Yes Czaban can be the Fox Mulder of sports talk, but it is TALK not NEWS. I appreciate and respect your work far beyond the work of the "Sports Reporters", but they make me laugh.

Posted by: Mark in Southeast | October 12, 2006 10:17 AM | Report abuse

There are 2 sides. JLC and Czczczaban. You all must choose. Right here. Right now.

I find myself wondering, what would Art Monk have done? The answer of course is simple: he would have gotten a first down for the team. He then would have told Steve Czaban to go grab some 'calm it down'.

It is quite a convenient position that SC has taken here. If I understand correctly, he is able to sit on his high horse on air and blast anyone and everyone as he sees fit and play armchair QB with reporters, coaches etc. The fact is, I listened to SC go off on air about this 'situation' like it was a Redskins Watergate. As JLC said, we knew the structure early on. Becuase it resurfaced when things didn't go well, SC is able to create an issue where there isn't one.

It just seems a little too easy for SC to stick by his 'integrity as a journalist' as a convenient excuse for 'not backing down when asking questions'. Dude, you're not Howard Cossell. I listened to those shows. You weren't making Gibbs cry every week. You are right that it was an organization decision for him to do Redskins radio, but it is a farse that the decision was made because Steve Czaban was too tough on Gibbs. That insults our intelligence.

Bottom line, Jason reports the news, and Steve Czaban comments on the news. It is irresponsible for SC to endeavor to create a news story when he said himself that it is not his job to do so. Comment about the 'play calling structure' all you want but under no circumstances should a reporter be indicted for not indulging your whims for sensational journalism.

Repping JLC to the death.

ArtMonkToTheSticks OUT!

BOOYAKASHOT!

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | October 12, 2006 10:19 AM | Report abuse

If there is smoke, there is a fire. Gibbs is calling the plays no matter how much we hide it. If you look closely at the losses & wins and dissect the play calls, its obvious who is calling the plays.

Jason needs to cover the Skins so he has to take the high road, however, if any reporters had balls, they would ask GIBBS those type of questions. All this "Joe Gibbs Show" & etc is all bunch of crap anyways...As fans, you want to know everything about the Skins. I am sick of hearing "our team fought their guts off"

Posted by: Jimmy Mehra | October 12, 2006 10:23 AM | Report abuse

skinz, okay i'm not as "bad" as you. you go to "sportsline". wow! you're a true fan! :) sincerely. washpost and cnnsi...that's about it for me.

i'll forever see you in a new light.

*bows to skinz*
we're not worthy! :)

all hail to skinz!

have a good day everyone. i'm out! to make rounds...

Posted by: dealer | October 12, 2006 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Good Lord, could we stop discussing this please and get back to whining about the Skins? ArtMonkToTheSticks is right; I'll put it more succinctly:

JLaC = Journalist
Czaban = A$$Hat w/ a Microphone

Enough already. End of story.

Posted by: Megskin | October 12, 2006 10:27 AM | Report abuse

All the "reporters" in this city just take every comunique from Ashburn at face value and regurgitate whatever is told them. A follow up question or two would be nice once in a while or maybe some probing questions or maybe this--"why?" Saint Joe NEVER gives a straight answer. In Washington DC nothing should be taken at face value.

Posted by: HUH | October 12, 2006 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Jla is on right now.

First comment was. "You guys can stay there but I live on reality street."

Posted by: Skinz | October 12, 2006 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Please, stop the arrogant whining. WTEM brought up something that bit you in the behind and you are dissembling. Just admit you weren't on top of things.

Posted by: Joe | October 12, 2006 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Thanks Skinz. Please keep me up to date with the comments. JLC lay the smack down bra lay the smack down.

Posted by: jm220 | October 12, 2006 10:38 AM | Report abuse

looks like they've patched things up....
and by patch things up, i mean agree to disagree.

Posted by: K-man | October 12, 2006 10:39 AM | Report abuse

1) Megskin, internet.com hug to you
2) JLC is KILLING it on 980 right now. Czaban totally backed off and is back-tracking. What a scumbag.

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | October 12, 2006 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Czaban couldn't resist getting a smug comment in at the end when he wouldn't do it while JLC was on. Unreal.

Advantage: JLC!

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | October 12, 2006 10:43 AM | Report abuse

I think The Sports Reporters got the best of that one. But, it is true that they have different opinions.

Posted by: 4th Floor | October 12, 2006 10:44 AM | Report abuse

That's how you do JLC. Let him know who the man is.

Posted by: jm220 | October 12, 2006 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Whoo, here we go!

Posted by: Homer Simpson | October 12, 2006 10:45 AM | Report abuse

jason, good job! i really wish you were their 980 skins beat reporter. and they do ask good questions...honestly the "insider" information you provided on that show today is much more than i have found on this blog.

like is shawn springs going to play? to which your answer was "maybe this time shawn springs wants to get in there more than the skins...skins are being more cautious...". i as an obsessed fan would've wanted to know that because i got the feeling that it was the team rushing him again like the last time.

sorry fans, i couldn't type fast enough...jason talks really fast. but it's all good in the neighborhood.

i have a question for the editor...if jason is the beat reporter then what is howard bryant?

Posted by: dealer | October 12, 2006 10:48 AM | Report abuse


Mr. Czeban:

I respect the fact that you are interacting with this blog, which is clearly enemy territory (so to speak), but I guess your job and the personality required for that job makes it unsurprising that you might enjoy a good back and forth.

I understand now that your post was a response to this blog, but I still believe that some of your statements in your post misrepresent what I perceive as an accurate portrayal of what happened.

For instance: "I am responding to his blog. He ripped us for not getting out there. I responded to that charge appropriately here." Mr. LaCanfora did indeed rip you for not getting out there, and I agree with you that, as a commentator, you are not a reporter and should not be held to those journalistic standards. However, Mr. LaCanfora's rip of you was not in response to your opinion on the playcalling system or the amount of coverage concerning it but to your judgement about what was or was not "news" based on one very specific example and your subsequent attack on those who WERE there and would know about if something was news or not. You were basically challenging the competency of those from whom you rely on to receive information that's necessary to form your opinions, and therefore, your show. To then start your post here with saying you did indeed already know something prior to ranting about the beat reporter's not making a big deal about it being "news" undermines your credibility on anything that follows. Also, I agree that you attacking the Post's and other outlets' amount of coverage of a more general topic (the playcalling system) is, indeed, appropriate to your role. However, making these points here "in response to the blog" still links these more general points to your attacks yesterday a very specific group of people (the beat writers) that operate in a much more constrained environment than you do in terms of how much time (or space in the newspaper) they have to cover every topic possbile. Your three shows a day can (and do, ad naseum) cover a ton of stories. Furthermore, you control the content and timing of your show much more than the beat writers can. Even, as you say, if this information was reported "way back" in January, the story of it's actual working or not working is just developing NOW, so why would any sports editor let his or her beat writers spend their limited time and the paper's limited space on this issue before now?

So, in my opinion, your post in no way absolves you from your responsibility to address that you unfairly and inaccurately beat up on the experts that you rely yesterday ON AIR and morphed that into commenting on a broader, more reasonable issue today HERE.

Regards,
jww

Posted by: HaikuMan | October 12, 2006 10:51 AM | Report abuse

4th Floor: How can you say that? Did you hear any of what SC was saying yesterday? He COMPLETELY changed his tune and backed off his points when JLC was on. JLC dropped knowledge and those guys were spinning the apology machine because they knew they were over the line.

No question JLC won that round considering the past 72 hours of events.

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | October 12, 2006 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Jason you need to lighten up. Sports talk 980 is the lighter side of Redskins entertainment. I enjoy it very much. They are very funny and entertaining. You have to really laugh and that is their intention. If they didn't do their show that way, we as sports fans would be listening to WTOP or even TripleX ESPN.

Posted by: Sports Talk 980 Fan | October 12, 2006 10:53 AM | Report abuse

The Sports Reporters in their new AM slot are close to unlistenable. Polin is whiny pandering nerd, who couldn't be less in touch with the modern state of the game. Czabe used to be somewhat amusing when his "shockingness" seemed organic, but it is now so forced as to seem a caricature of a real sports radio guy. The only thing that spices the show up is the guests -- Feldman, Buck and Knoche are all pretty good, but nevertheless, Pollin sucks the energy out of the show and the faux controversial "Czabe" gives it the death blow. The only shows worse are the Brian Mitchell farce and, of course, the John Thompson show, which has an unintentional comedy ranking that cannot be measured by modern technology. 980 is worthless.

Posted by: The U | October 12, 2006 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Jason,

Heard you on 980 and thought you did well. The real problem here is the 24 hour news cycle of Big Media (yes, Big Media). Ever since news became a 24 hour a day thing, it greatly increased the amount of BSing and story-creating rather than story-reporting by journalists in every area of the press. This is not disputable. When there is more space and time to come up with stories, guys like Czaban (who I am no fan of, anymore) are pretty much forced to come up with things to talk about. Jason is guilty of this, as are almost all journalists.

Just my 2 cents.

Posted by: Barno | October 12, 2006 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Ferris Bueller, you're my hero.

Posted by: btdome | October 12, 2006 11:00 AM | Report abuse


Sigh. Wrote all that ignorant of JLC being on air. That's what happenes when you write something over the course of 30 minutes while doing other thigns and can't read blog updates!

Any chance of a transcript being posted?

Posted by: HaikuMan | October 12, 2006 11:02 AM | Report abuse

The U back off of Coach John T. The man speaks his mind and don't bite his tongue. Anyone like that you have to respect.

Posted by: jm220 | October 12, 2006 11:04 AM | Report abuse

I would like if these so called reporters would ask "real" questions. WHy not ask Gibbs that why does he still trust Frost when he has shanked it so much time after time?

WHy is T.J Duckett on the bench when you need him on 3rd & 1? Why did you pay so much for Archuleta when he can't cover.

When Andre Carter gets a sack he loves to get on t.v. Maybe writers should ask Gibbs, why in the 2 division games, his team plays as they dont care?

Posted by: Jimmy | October 12, 2006 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Knee-slappin' funny to hear Mr. LaC on the Sports Reporters this morning say, "I'm a big boy and I can take it."

Uh, I think we're all entitled to conclude otherwise from today's blog entries. I thought TK had cornered the market on thin-skinned, but it appears not.

Good to see the Post is determined to get those football tickets back.

Posted by: TMU | October 12, 2006 11:06 AM | Report abuse

hey, guys! dealer, the answer to your question is that, yes, jason is the beat guy and so is howard. we have two beat guys because, as dogged and smart and energetic as howard and jason are, it takes two guys to feed this redskins beast for 11 months. honestly, adding a third person would be ideal, but the budget ain't elastic. (buy more papers, willya!!!???) oh, and one editor. :)

Posted by: Jason's editor | October 12, 2006 11:08 AM | Report abuse

I'm sorry, the John Thompson show couldn't suck more. It just couldn't. Thompson knows NOTHING about anything but basketball. His interviews with David Falk clients are softball city. Rick "Schlock" Walker is a walking cliche factory -- the next time he says, "gut check" or "bring it strong to the mike", someone should apply electrodes to his stones. Koken's just dull. It's an AWFUL show.

Posted by: TMU | October 12, 2006 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Back to the Skins. An awesome story by Howard Bryant today on the four plays that changed the game on defense. This is the knowledge I seek to be dropped by somebody.

The one glaring problem for the Redskins is getting to the QB. If that is fixed, we will be much better. If not, start asking yourself whether you want to watch the Eagles and Cowboys in the playoffs.

boo-ya.

Posted by: The Governor | October 12, 2006 11:09 AM | Report abuse

enough of this stuff. let's get back to fubbawl. see this in jason's notes today? jfish is phunny on the subject of grilliams:

"Gregg has always been a very enthusiastic, emotional coach," Fisher said. "He's never at a loss for words. He's always had the players' respect and obviously that speaks for itself there. He does realize one thing, that I forgot more defense than he'll ever know. Please remind him of that."

Posted by: Jason's editor | October 12, 2006 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Ah, good vigorous arguments. I love it.

In regard to ArtMonkToTheSticks, let it be known that I have not backed down from my central point:

Playcalling deserves TOP SHELF scrutiny and coverage right now by all the media covering the team.

Sure, chronicling punter sightings is always fun, but how crucial is that?

We've done our part on 980. We've put some attention and heat on the issue. And if it was all so "clear" to everybody, then Gibbs would not have had to "mop it up" with further comments the next day.

The papers in town can run whatever stories they see fit.

The Times today has a good menu of things, but nothing on playcalling. The post has less, but also nothing on play calling.

Maybe it'll rise to the level on their editorial menu, where it rates above Gregg Williams and Jeff Fisher's "relationship" - yawn.

Finally, my man. Assuming you are as big of a Monk fan as I am, I figured I would get a bit of a pass from YOU, of all people.

Nobody locally, or nationally has championed the cause of 81 to the Hall than me. I have constantly pointed out this outrage, and will not let it go.

I have made it an ongoing point to destroy whatever credibility Monk's biggest Hall obstacle Peter King, might still have in regard to NFL opinion.

That fight, I shall keep up, with renewed vigor.

sc

Posted by: Steve Czaban | October 12, 2006 11:11 AM | Report abuse

tmu - don't hold back - how do you really feel about the JT show? ;-) what is your take on the b-mitch show?

Posted by: York | October 12, 2006 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Some of you Czabe people are missing the point.

The man basically called JLa out for not doing his job and not pressing on a story.

JLA didn't follow up because, knowing what he knows, he realized THERE IS NO STORY. He already knew and had reported on the relationship.

Czabe, as my boy AM2DSticks pointed out, is now trying to frame the argument in a different way because his original argument is now indefensible.

Posted by: Skinz | October 12, 2006 11:13 AM | Report abuse

The Governor what are you drinking today. Gettting to the QB is not the only glaring problem. How about a QB that can't get the ball downfiled?

Posted by: jm220 | October 12, 2006 11:14 AM | Report abuse

I think with Jason even writing this blog brings him out of a 'reporter'. Here, you do give more in depth info, but I feel what comes out is basically becoming a commentator of what you think is going on. You don't think Springs will play this weekend, They do. I think he will, too, BTW.

ME personnally, I listen to everybody, and generally come somewhere in the middle of what all you commentators think most of the time.

Posted by: 4th Floor | October 12, 2006 11:16 AM | Report abuse

4th floor needs to take a trip up to the 6th floor. nWo 4 life! It is just too sweeeeeeeeet!

Posted by: Chief Clancy Wiggum | October 12, 2006 11:24 AM | Report abuse

You maybe correct in your analysis, and your assessment maybe insightful. However, to us dumb, unknowledgealbe fans found Czaban's statement to be interesting which is not always the case with Czaban. WE all know that they are not reporters and they make it perfectly clear that they do not do any type of beat reporting. I think they made an interesting inquiry based on the observations of two former Redskin players. We fans apologize because we were not all properly breifed at the beginning of the year about the play calling. IT still does not mean that their inquiry was a challenge to the whole establishment. Relax everyoe knows you do an excellent job covering the Skins even when yuo came to speak to these "knuckleheads" or at lease Tony every week. To rephrase an old adage- Just know sometimes a broke clock can be correct twice a day or in this case once a season.
ezo

Posted by: ezo | October 12, 2006 11:27 AM | Report abuse

I think that Czaban's crew need to meet JLC's crew at the playground during recess to battle it out.

Posted by: Vanilla Ice | October 12, 2006 11:29 AM | Report abuse

hey steve, isn't this thing [blogging] addictive? what a monster post created!

thank you editor! i had no idea that howard was a beat-er too. that's crazy.

also re: more papers, i just noticed there aren't any ads for this blog? this has got to be one of the more popular blogs in the nation. no? get your ad department on this. this has to be more popular than dooce.com. no?

and yes, another topic please...like i didn't know that tennessee had THREE onside kicks in the indy game and recovered TWO....no wonder indy only scored 14 points.

Posted by: dealer | October 12, 2006 11:30 AM | Report abuse

lol @ ice!!! haa haa haa...ohhboy...i'll referee
beef o brady's in ashburn at noon! or we could just meet up at skins park down the street (we should save that after they miss the playoffs and burn danny in efigy ;) )

Posted by: dealer | October 12, 2006 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Steve,

I think you've done it again. Somehow, we are now going to debate a 2nd issue. I am well aware of your staunch support for 81 (I could not be more grateful for that btw). That's not what we've been discussing here but it does go to our central difference of opinion:
You offer opinions and comments. That one, I agree with (most vehemently); take Peter King down as he is an enemy of all that is good. Other opinions, I will disagree with you on but that is not the issue. The issue is that you have changed the framing of the argument; maybe not the central element of 'playcalling', but you have altered the nature of the discussion. This is what people do when they realize they have gone a bit over the line and have to backtrack.

You called out La Confora for the nature of his and the Post's coverage in the on-air rant I heard yesterday and changed your tune to: 'Well the play-calling angle is interesting to me'; way different than ripping the toughness of a beat reporter or his ability to ask the right questions.

Is it the same general point? Of course it is because it is about play-calling.

My main criticism here is that you are in a very convenient position to absolve yourself of any accountability in this and other situations as a sporting news commentator. I'm not sure how to address this per se; I just find it unfortunate that you are able to sensationalize things at your discretion.

I will tell you that my level of respect for you has improved immensly since your entrance into this forumn. It is encouraging that you confront your detractors.

ArtMonkToTheSticks

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | October 12, 2006 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Skinz:
Round of adult sodas on me. You're my boy blue!

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | October 12, 2006 12:03 PM | Report abuse

I don't, nor have I ever, had any problem whatsoever with the editorial content of the Washington Post. It's still the first place I go for Redskins related info, and nothing that's happened in the last 24 or 48 hours will change that. I *do* care about punter sightings. I *do* care about Fischer and Gregg Williams relationship.

Is it really news that the head coach and the offensive coordinator (essentially) are discussing plays within the 35 yard line? Maybe if they weren't.

Here I go:

"And given recent developments with the team's play - e.g. the false starts/delay penalties RIGHT AROUND the 35 - and issues about plays getting into #8 on time, I think a sidebar story somewhere about all this is MORE THAN WARRANTED."

None of these things occurred within the 35 yard line which, according to Gibbs, is where the "discussion" begins making your suggestion -- that the discussion was perhaps responsible -- pointless. Sometimes miscommunications happen on the field that have nothing to do with an easily chartable "discussion system". Sometimes guys just go offsides. Sometimes stadiums are loud. Sometimes penalties aren't indicative of on-field coaching breakdowns.

"How about the Post running a chart showing how the "system" - which Jason and "everybody" else KNOWS about - actually works during a game."

I think the main reason it isn't reported is because it's still a fairly benign point. Coach Gibbs discusses decisions with his assistant coach inside the 35 yard line. Ok. Did you really think the coaches weren't communicating with one another during a football game? Did you think Gibbs meets Saunders at the middle of the field post game and says "Boy we really probably could have discussed that one play a bit more, but I think you called on ok game."

"How about asking Al Saunders if he's comfortable with this."

Comfortable with what? Having a discussion with his Head Coach?

"How about asking other NFL teams, "does your OC/playcaller handle go/no go situations or does the head coach? Do they "consult" inside the 35."

Where is the news here?

Posted by: Skin Patrol | October 12, 2006 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Regrading sports radio coverage of the Skins, who would you choose: Larry Michael (Redskins Lunch) or Steve Czaban? I remember the show that Czaban refers to earlier (regarding Redskins free agents) with Gibbs. It was refreshing to hear Gibbs get some tough questions about salient football topics. And, like Czaban said, Gibbs was backpedaling. Love the Redskins. Love Gibbs. But it's nice to hear some tough questions regarding our team and the way it's mangaged, both on the field and off. After all, the fans are an important element of the Redskins, right? Coach Gibbs says so all the time.

Posted by: Terry | October 12, 2006 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Regrading sports radio coverage of the Skins, who would you choose: Larry Michael (Redskins Lunch) or Steve Czaban?

*sigh* Is this all we're going to talk about today? Given that choice--neither.

LM is so in love with himself it's like listening to someone stroke themselves. No thanks. I'll be taking a pass on that one. Plus, he will always be remembered for having stabbed Herzog in the back. I pray for the day the fist of an angry God pummels him in the radio graveyard.

I've never listened to SC and now, without a doubt, never will.

Those two people are paid to entertain you. Not give you any sort of news or insight.

Posted by: Megskin | October 12, 2006 1:01 PM | Report abuse

geez man, who pissed in your cornflakes; I admire your stile and the reporting you do; just don't forget to be objective; or just forget to be objective

Posted by: skinner | October 12, 2006 1:08 PM | Report abuse

meg hon, jason started a new post. and lm isn't an entertainer. just a puppet.

and what made you so turned off by sc? i actually have newfound respect for him...i didn't know he could blog till today.

you have to be an x-files fan to enjoy sc. he's fun. unless you're the type of person who takes him/herself too seriously.

Posted by: dealer-i need a new nick | October 12, 2006 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Typical Czaben ego trip - going to ruin Peter Kings NFL credibility?? I am not a Peter King fan but do you think he knows who Czaben is? Let Michael Wilbon & Len Shapiro continue the campaign to get Art Monk in the HOF. That is how it works. Rumor has it King is already starting to crack (last weeks SI he said Monk may get in) & I don't think Czaben had anything to do with it. DR. Z. w/SI is the guy still not believing in #81

Posted by: dph60 | October 12, 2006 1:36 PM | Report abuse

I'm convinced.

I want HaikuMan as my lawyer.

Posted by: dcsween | October 12, 2006 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Megskin:

I'm definitely not a fan of LM. I don't get anything substantial from him. Not so with Czaban. I believe his insight into the Redskins is usually on target. You said that you haven't listened to him. Give him a chance and your opinion just may change.

Posted by: Terry | October 12, 2006 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Give him a chance

No. I saw from his posts all I ever need to see or hear from him.

Posted by: Megskin | October 12, 2006 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Ppl can argue about this all day but bottom line is that Czabe is not afraid to be critical of the skins and neither is Jason. They both address issues as "objectively" as they can - and neither seems to have any discernable agenga, unlike redskins.com blowhards.

I am glad we as the fans have ppl like them representing us so atleast we can hear different opinions and angles of each story. Also, regardless of how anyone feels about them, they are both very knowledgable about the skins.

Now, if we could only convert Jason into a fan! . . .although, after dealing with the pompous team officials every day, i doubt that anyone at the post could really be a fan now.

Posted by: Reality Check | October 12, 2006 2:07 PM | Report abuse

No. I saw from his posts all I ever need to see or hear from him.

Megskin:

Why are you so harsh on Czaban? Just curious.

Posted by: Terry | October 12, 2006 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Great point, Reality Check. That's what I like about both Jason and Czaban: Objectivity. The folks at XXX and redskins.com are sickeningly sycophantic.

Posted by: Terry | October 12, 2006 2:18 PM | Report abuse

I'm too tired and there isn't enough time left in my day to write up a diatribe about why I don't like him. Let's just leave it at that, okay?

Posted by: Megskin | October 12, 2006 2:20 PM | Report abuse

That's fine, Megskin. Like him or not, he's objective about the Skins. And that's fine with me.

Posted by: Terry | October 12, 2006 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Wow,
This is one of the best blogs ever. Art Monk in the hall of fame.... ok there is a good reason he isnt in there.... catching 8 yard passes your whole career, then staying in football two years two long just to get records, should automatically eliminate you... why dont you work on getting some of the hogs in the hall instead of art monk, the most overated receiver in the history of the NFL

Posted by: Joe Morris | October 12, 2006 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Art Monk [..] the most overated receiver in the history of the NFL

Ohnoes, the crack smokers are back.

Posted by: Megskin | October 12, 2006 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Hey Joe Morris - Sounds like you must be Dr. Z's boy. Try looking it up or are you a typical NYG fan. 13.5 yards a catch only one year under 10 ypc. 15.39 in playoff games. Who says he did not step up in the big games. You can look it up!!

Posted by: dph60 | October 12, 2006 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Joe Morris:

Your comment about Art Monk isn't even remotely intelligent. Were you drinking water from the Hudson today?

Posted by: Terry | October 12, 2006 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Czabe I listen to you every morning and love your show but La Canfora is right you just sound like a jackass. You have all year when discussing the redskins. The sky is falling, there great, the sky is falling, Gibbs doesn't know what he's doing, I told him to use the shotgun. My god your just a radio host.

Posted by: Jon | October 12, 2006 3:39 PM | Report abuse

my my, all this talk about a team that won't even make the playoffs.

Posted by: el bombastico | October 13, 2006 1:30 PM | Report abuse

I like Czabe.He's opinionated but fair. He and the crew are funny, unless you are thin skined or have no sence of humor. As far as Jason, Before Czabe mentioned you, I'd never heard of you,(I don't read much in the sports page as most of it is drivel)so this is a good thing for your exposure.Meg, I will judge you based on your few posts as you have judged Czabe on, only his. You are probrobly a blind skins homer, uptight and sans a sence of humor (Dane Cook adoration does not count) so you are not the kind of listener czabe is targeting. Now run along. To whoever referred to SC as a Scumbag. Are you kidding? That's all you've got? Not very clever.Also a little harsh dontcha think? Sheesh.-Mike

Posted by: Mike22102 | October 13, 2006 3:53 PM | Report abuse

I like Czabe and think he is hilarious and his show is great. I am like the other guyin that I have never heard of you except possibly when Kornheiser would read a piece of yours on his show. I think Czabe brings up some valid points and you just call him a moron? I have lived here for only 6 years, but the Skins are a very frustrating team to root for and I think maye Czabe reflects some of us lowly fans in that respect.

Good day sir!

Posted by: BrianSfrom BAMA | October 13, 2006 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Doesn't Jason look like a little effin dweeb? what a gobbler. Go Czabe!

Posted by: Masterlock Jr. | October 16, 2006 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Mostly a lurker and maybe a little late to this thread but we're in my wheelhouse with the sports radio talk.

Czaban: fairly decent sports opinions, appalling politics (to me) flecked with latent racism. This morning he declared a new age of equality as Lamar Thomas got fired for his horrifying color commentary, making him, in Czaban's opinion, the first black broadcaster so dispatched after a long line of opressed white males. He also kept pronouncing Lou Piniella's name as if the n had a tilde. Infuriating. He manages to stuff all the racism into the first half hour of his national show.


I listened to Kornheiser for at least ten years: it made work great, made unemployment better. But very little in sports radio is like TK.

In the last two (2 1/2?) years TK left the dial, first for the insufferable colin cowherd, then, to go to MNF, with the Czaban/Pollin show followed by B Mitch.

Feh. Makes one want to get a job and stop listening.

The Riggins' Show is ok.

Posted by: RMilot | October 17, 2006 9:08 AM | Report abuse

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