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Posted at 6:02 AM ET, 11/17/2010

Statistical analysis: Notes on Monday night misery

By Brian Burke
Statistical analysis

Monday night's beatdown was a tough pill to swallow, but these games aren't as rare as some may think. The final margin of victory was 31 points, something that's happened 143 times since 2000--about 14 times per year. The games just aren't always on national television.

No matter what measure you use, Philadelphia quarterback Michael Vick's performance was stunning. He registered 333 passing yards, 11.9 yards per attempt, four passing touchdowns, 80 running yards, 8 yards per run, two running touchdowns, and no turnovers. In terms of advanced stats, that kind of clinic is good for 29.4 Expected Points Added (EPA) -- good for nearly all of the Eagles' net 31 points. That's among the very best individual performances of the past decade, but not the very best. That distinction would belong to Tom Brady's 2007 game at Buffalo, in which he racked up a 33.3. Vick's career night ranks eighth.

Perhaps the only silver lining from the Eagles game was the performance of Keiland Williams. He averaged 5.6 yards per carry on 16 runs for a total of 86 yards and added 50 more on 4 receptions.

No one can say Redskins quarterback Donovan McNabb played his best game, but his three interceptions are not what they seem. His first interception glanced off the hands of receiver Santana Moss. Although it wasn't not the most accurate pass ever, Moss had a reasonable opportunity to make that catch. McNabb's second interception came on a deep attempt down the middle to receiver Anthony Armstrong when the score was 35-14 late in the second quarter. It was at the point in the game when a comeback, however improbable, was within the realm of possibilities. But it would only happen if the Redskins were able to come up big on some big plays in critical situations. It was 3rd and long, and it was the right time to gamble. The third interception came when the score was 52-21, and the game was long out of reach. McNabb's three interceptions only cost the Redskins a total of 0.05 Win Probability Added (WPA) -- a 5 percent chance of winning -- due to situational context. That's about half as much as a single typical interception.

This weekend the Redskins face a very good Titans team who rank No. 7 in the league in overall team efficiency. But Tennessee will be without its top playmaker, wide receiver Kenny Britt. Britt was the biggest playmaker in the NFL in the first half of the season, averaging 11.4 yards per target and totaling 1.30 WPA. Randy Moss, brought in to replace Britt, has yet to demonstrate he'll be able to make a similar impact.


Brian Burke is the creator of Advanced NFL Stats, a Web site about football, statistics and game theory.

By Brian Burke  | November 17, 2010; 6:02 AM ET
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Washington's defense 2009: Bend but don't break.

Washington's defense 2010: Break but don't bend.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 17, 2010 6:30 AM | Report abuse

I'm not a big Rick Reilly fan, but dude knocks this one out of the park in his reply to the idiocy of the Feinstein comments:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=5795495

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 17, 2010 6:46 AM | Report abuse

For the record. The second interception was a pass to Galloway that the Defensive Back got to before Galloway.

Posted by: davidbrowne3377 | November 17, 2010 7:07 AM | Report abuse

It would be a miracle if our team actually showed heart?

I'd say that even a display of 'heart' would not have rendered a game win aginast the iggles.

Andy Reid has just simply made better choices in terms of scheme and personnel.

He took a chance on Mike Vick.

And Kevin Kolb ain't too shabby either.

He has revamped his entire receiving group.

He decided to trade Donovan McNabb within the division to a team lacking speed, playmakers, and consistent and clever use of draft picks.

And in fact, in terms of draft picks, he got two picks from the redskins as a result of the McNabb trade.

And the redskins need those picks more than McNabb as he routinely throws his own picks.

Reid now commands one of the best teams in the league, all due to smart choices and long term planning.

The story moving forward now is, will Mike Vick leads the iggles to the Super Bowl?

Brady v. Vick has suddenly become a vision on the horizon that has NFL marketers chompin' at the money bit to make real.

Meanwhile, in D.C., what the redskins need moving forward isn't more 'heart'.

We need some brains.

And sum luck.

And sum clever folks in the front offices who make better choices than trading for/signing quarterbacks/defensive linemen/wide receivers/running backs who used to be good.

I'd end with "Hail!"

But since we're all in HELL, it might not be appropriate.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | November 17, 2010 7:10 AM | Report abuse

Brownwood --That Rick Reilly piece is excellent. This is what Redskins Insider is all about -- the best place to find links to Redskins articles.

What exactly is John Feinstein good at that has earned him a job at the Washington Post? And Mike Wise -- an admitted liar -- is still holding forth? Hard to see what ethical standard the Washington Post holds itself to.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 17, 2010 7:12 AM | Report abuse

What exactly is John Feinstein good at that has earned him a job at the Washington Post? And Mike Wise -- an admitted liar -- is still holding forth? Hard to see what ethical standard the Washington Post holds itself to.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 17, 2010 7:12 AM


Exactly...Feinstein is an overrated, low-rent d-bag and I saw Wise as an all-out fraud even before he made up that Big Ben story. I miss the days of opening up the WaPo sports page and being able to read Wilbon and Kornheiser...now it's some fat chick that looks like John Goodman and asshats like Feinstein and Wise. I haven't seen this kind of downgrade since Bubby Brister took over for Elway...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 17, 2010 7:26 AM | Report abuse

Finally, someone who isn't calling Shanahan the worst coach to ever put on headset...good see SOMEONE in the media has a little perspective:

http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/11/15/mcnabb-responded-right-way-to-shanahans-criticism/?module=HP_spotlight

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 17, 2010 7:31 AM | Report abuse

What exactly is John Feinstein good at that has earned him a job at the Washington Post?

Posted by: beep-beep | November 17, 2010 7:12 AM

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Other than being the Resident Jerk on Redskins Insider, what exactly are you good at?

Posted by: Chia_Pet | November 17, 2010 7:43 AM | Report abuse

McNabb’s agent says reports of $3.5 million guarantee are “erroneous”
Posted by Mike Florio on November 17, 2010, 7:20 AM EST

The uncertainty regarding the real value of Redskins quarterback Donovan McNabb continues. And with the initial report of $40 million in guaranteed money reported by ESPN and the follow-up report of $3.5 million in guaranteed money reported by ESPN, it’s fitting that McNabb’s agent, Fletcher Smith, would tell ESPN 980 in D.C. that the report of only $3.5 million in guaranteed money is “erroneous.”

Meanwhile, ESPN seems to be attempting to harmonize the $36.5 million gap between its conflicting reports regarding the guaranteed money. As explained in the most recent item, written by Adam Schefter (who reported the $3.5 million guarantee), the contract is “worded so that it has ‘$40 million in guarantees,’” even though the Redskins may cut McNabb after the 2010 season, which would leave him with only $3.5 million in guaranteed money.

Schefter also concedes that the deal currently contains $25 million in injury guarantees, which would be paid to McNabb if he were to suffer a career-ending injury during the balance of the 2010 season.

The irony here is that Schefter engaged in no such hair splitting when first reporting that Jets tackle D’Brickshaw Ferguson received $34.8 million guaranteed, even though his deal had no money guaranteed for skill or injury at the time of signing, or when first reporting that Dolphins receiver Brandon Marshall received $24 million guaranteed, even though he can be dumped after only one year with most of that money unpaid.

Then again, Schefter didn’t get the call from Fletcher Smith regarding the McNabb deal. Otherwise, it’s safe to assume that the initial report from Schefter would have been that McNabb had signed a five-year deal, with $40 million guaranteed.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 17, 2010 7:48 AM | Report abuse


Andy Reid has just simply made better choices in terms of scheme and personnel.

He took a chance on Mike Vick.

And Kevin Kolb ain't too shabby either.

He has revamped his entire receiving group.

He decided to trade Donovan McNabb within the division to a team lacking speed, playmakers, and consistent and clever use of draft picks.

And in fact, in terms of draft picks, he got two picks from the redskins as a result of the McNabb trade.

And the redskins need those picks more than McNabb as he routinely throws his own picks.

Reid now commands one of the best teams in the league, all due to smart choices and long term planning.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | November 17, 2010 7:10 AM |

reid has made the redskins look like fools, then his squad dismantled the redskins

why hold on to the remaining draft picks for 2011 ? let's trade them and sign some more older veterans that can bring leadership and experience to the roster

WTF?


Posted by: hessone | November 17, 2010 7:56 AM | Report abuse


hey beep-beep, your girl friend just asked you a question.

true love at RI, chia_pet and beep-beep, sittin in a freakin tree

Posted by: hessone | November 17, 2010 8:01 AM | Report abuse

Am given to understand that AH92 expects a warm welcome this weekend from his homies.

And a hook up or two with a few high class Tennessee hookstas.

Dude apparently feels it's a damn shame that he has to waste so much playtime at the stadium on Sunday... but is also said to believe there still may be an opportunity for him to pick up a phantom injury or something that keeps him out of the game and away from the sidelines.

(It's not like that hasn't happened already this season or anything.)

Posted by: Vic1 | November 17, 2010 8:02 AM | Report abuse


Am given to understand that AH92 expects a warm welcome this weekend from his homies.

And a hook up or two with a few high class Tennessee hookstas.

Dude apparently feels it's a damn shame that he has to waste so much playtime at the stadium on Sunday... but is also said to believe there still may be an opportunity for him to pick up a phantom injury or something that keeps him out of the game and away from the sidelines.

(It's not like that hasn't happened already this season or anything.)

Posted by: Vic1 | November 17, 2010 8:02 AM |

hatnesworth, another veteran with leadership and experience. and peeps want vjax on the squad. WTF, throw in TO for a first rounder

Posted by: hessone | November 17, 2010 8:08 AM | Report abuse

He registered 333 passing yards, 11.9 yards per attempt, four passing touchdowns, 80 running yards

Brian Burke


Hmm, last time I checked it was RUSHING yards you NERD!

Posted by: monk811 | November 17, 2010 8:09 AM | Report abuse

Remember when Jack Kent Cooke was the owner and the entire gameday experience was enjoyable?

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | November 16, 2010 4:59 PM

So the current gameday experience of getting as drunk as possible to numb yourself as to what is about to happen is not enjoyable?

Posted by: PlayAction | November 17, 2010 8:16 AM | Report abuse

disappointed that no one got axed after viewing the film of the disaster by the coach's....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 17, 2010 8:22 AM | Report abuse

Greg, not sure what could be done...we don't have the horses to do anything meaningful this year. I know we all hoped they could rise above it, but this is an average team at best. Play out the string, try to do better, and count on an active 2011 offseason. Can't do much more than that...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 17, 2010 8:26 AM | Report abuse

Is it me or does santana always SUCK in the rain?

Oh...and running yards...that's funny! hahaha

Posted by: PlayAction | November 17, 2010 8:26 AM | Report abuse


disappointed that no one got axed after viewing the film of the disaster by the coach's....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 17, 2010 8:22 AM |

start with haynesworth

Posted by: hessone | November 17, 2010 8:27 AM | Report abuse

2007, 5-7 won 4 straight made playoffs

Posted by: pabrian2003 | November 16, 2010 8:54 PM | Report abuse

That was Gibbs. Go back and check the record, Gibbs did that all the time. This is Shanny, who's known more for fading down the stretch.

Posted by: Pepper5 | November 16, 2010 9:01 PM


Wow...so he makes that ONE epic fade a couple years ago and that's what he's known for? Try again:

http://www.csnwashington.com/11/10/10/Can-Shanahans-Redskins-Win-in-Seasons-Se/landing.html?blockID=349608&feedID=6355

Shanahan's 2nd half record over the last decade is 42-30, literally ONE game worse than his 1st half record. Only two of those seasons yielding a sub-.500 2nd half finish. But hey...don't let fact get in the way of a good argument...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 17, 2010 5:49 AM | Report abuse

Way to punch back hard as you can....and whiff.

The second half of the season is not "stretch." Lets look at the last six games:

2008 Mike Shanahan
Last 6 games L,W,W,L,L,L

2007 Mike Shanahan --
Last 6 games L,L,W, L,L, W

2006 Mike Shanahan
Last 6 games L,L,L.W,W,L

This is what got Mike Shanahan fired in Denver. Three consecutive seasons of fading down the stretch. That's why he is known today more for fading more than finishing strong, as I wrote, than Gibbs.

One "epic fade" can mark a coach for his career. Three in a row was enough to get a legend like Shanahan fired.

Posted by: Pepper5 | November 17, 2010 8:24 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Pepper5 | November 17, 2010 8:28 AM | Report abuse

Remember when Jack Kent Cooke was the owner and the entire gameday experience was enjoyable?

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | November 16, 2010 4:59 PM

I guess you weren't at the games during the Norv years definatley not enjoyable.

Wasn't it Cook who built this crappy stadium.

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 17, 2010 8:28 AM | Report abuse

disappointed that no one got axed after viewing the film of the disaster by the coach's....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 17, 2010 8:22 AM | Report abuse

I was thinking the samething...

Is it me or would it make sense to press the little speedy recievers instead of just letting them run free??? you knew they weren't going across the middle so why wouldn't you slow them down with your bigger corners?

Posted by: jumbo5383 | November 17, 2010 8:30 AM | Report abuse

Remember when Jack Kent Cooke was the owner and the entire gameday experience was enjoyable?

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | November 16, 2010 4:59 PM

So the current gameday experience of getting as drunk as possible to numb yourself as to what is about to happen is not enjoyable?

Posted by: PlayAction | November 17, 2010 8:16 AM | Report abuse

Not when you are losing 28-0 before you even get a buzz! It's like having surgery before the anesthesia kicks in! OUCH!

Posted by: monk811 | November 17, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse

"we don't have the horses to do anything meaningful this year"

kinda my point brown, lets bring up some of the OL guys on the PS and dump heyer, bring up Austin and dump galloway, we're not making the playoffs, but we can find out if some of these guys can play, can't we??

I mean, JGallo isn't on this team next year, he's CLEARLY not a part of the rebuilding that the team NEEDS to do...so lets see if Austin is part of the plan going forward....lather, rinse repeat with Heyer, Moore, RWilliams....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 17, 2010 8:34 AM | Report abuse

What exactly is John Feinstein good at that has earned him a job at the Washington Post?

Posted by: beep-beep | November 17, 2010 7:12 AM

Only that (pardon my cut-and-paste):

Feinstein's has written the two top best-selling non-fiction sports books in history.

In 1995, he published the all-time best seller, A Good Walk Spoiled, about a year inside life on the PGA Tour as told through the stories of seventeen players. Just behind that in sales is his book A Season on the Brink, which chronicles a year in the life of the Indiana University basketball team and its enigmatic coach, Bob Knight.

Feinstein is arguably the greatest sports writer of his generation.

Posted by: Pepper5 | November 17, 2010 8:36 AM | Report abuse

Wow Pepper...so let me get this straight:

-The "2nd half of the season" needs to be pared down to 6 games instead of 8 to prove your point.

-Your argument is based on Shanahan's last 3 years in Denver, not a full scope of his 14 year term there.

Got it.

I've also learned that 100% of Americans like pizza. Since that one dude I interviewed at the pizza shop said he loves the stuff.

Wow...making stats say whatever you want them to is fun...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 17, 2010 8:39 AM | Report abuse


Got it.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 17, 2010 8:39 AM |

you "got" mcnabb and shanahan on the downside of the mountain brown

Posted by: hessone | November 17, 2010 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Not when you are losing 28-0 before you even get a buzz! It's like having surgery before the anesthesia kicks in! OUCH!

Posted by: monk811 | November 17, 2010 8:31 AM

You're right about that...I mentioned yesterday that one bright spot was no hangover the next day...I'm not sure the same can be said of those who went to the game early and played five hours of beer pong.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 17, 2010 8:43 AM | Report abuse

kinda my point brown, lets bring up some of the OL guys on the PS and dump heyer, bring up Austin and dump galloway, we're not making the playoffs, but we can find out if some of these guys can play, can't we??

I mean, JGallo isn't on this team next year, he's CLEARLY not a part of the rebuilding that the team NEEDS to do...so lets see if Austin is part of the plan going forward....lather, rinse repeat with Heyer, Moore, RWilliams....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 17, 2010 8:34 AM


I know you hate Galloway, but I've been indifferent towards him all year long...until I read this from John Keim:

"The Eagles have Jason Avant as their No. 3 receiver (5 catches, 76 yards, one touchdown vs. Washington on Monday). The Redskins have Joey Galloway (nine catches, 141 yards, no touchdowns in nine games). Is there a reason to continue this failed experiment? Galloway has been targeted 32 times this season. He’s caught nine passes. And three of McNabb’s 11 interceptions have come on passes to Galloway. That’s a high sum considering how few passes have gone his way. There seems to be an urgency lacking in his route-running, which enables corners to jump routes, as the Eagles did Monday night. Still hard to see what he adds at this stage of his career."

Being old a losing a step is one thing...half-assing your routes is another.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 17, 2010 8:45 AM | Report abuse

you "got" mcnabb and shanahan on the downside of the mountain brown

Posted by: hessone | November 17, 2010 8:43 AM


Assume all you like...I'm still waiting to see the end of the movie before I write my review, if you know what I mean...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 17, 2010 8:49 AM | Report abuse

I'd like to see a post discussing the Expected Points Added (EPA)from going 0-10 on 3rd down, 4-37 in the last 3 games, or a NFL all-time worst of a 22% conversion rate for the season.

McNabb's three interceptions only cost the Redskins a total of 0.05 Win Probability Added (WPA)??? Is this because the game was already over? Last time I checked it's tough to win games when you throw THREE INTs and one goes for a TD.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 17, 2010 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Feinstein is arguably the greatest sports writer of his generation.

Posted by: Pepper5 | November 17, 2010 8:36 AM

You want to argue that? Let's see your argument. Your "cut and paste" job was from Wikipedia and the Wikipedia crew has a warning above it:

"This biographical article needs additional citations for verification. Please help by adding reliable sources."

Posted by: beep-beep | November 17, 2010 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Being old a losing a step is one thing...half-assing your routes is another.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 17, 2010 8:45 AM | Report abuse

I don't think Joey is half-assing his routes, I see him running and working as hard as I do!

Signed,
Randy Moss

Posted by: monk811 | November 17, 2010 8:54 AM | Report abuse

brown, bingo, kind of backs my point...he's stealing from the team...and hurting them at the same time, he doesn't have any added benefit to being on the team...same with Roydell....Same with Moore...Same with Heyer...clean that shti up, time to cut bait....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 17, 2010 8:54 AM | Report abuse

Diesel, I hope I'm reading your remarks wrong...hard to blame a guy for a loss when he's down 14-0 before he even attempts a pass...

Blame starts with the coaches. If you can't get your guys read to roll after two weeks to prepare, that's on you. McNabb doesn't even break the top 5, IMO...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 17, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse


Assume all you like...I'm still waiting to see the end of the movie before I write my review, if you know what I mean...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 17, 2010 8:49 AM |

how long is this movie brown ?

I'm not assuming a thing here brown. if you can't see what has happened to this franchise since snyder has owned it, including the hiring of shanahan and allen this year, knock yourself out. it's apparent to some of us that shanahan doesn't have what it takes anymore to be a HC in the nfl. allen, while all smiles and talking about his old mans history with the team, took a play from his dads playbook and started off by trading draft picks for OLDER veterans.

rebuild my ass

Posted by: hessone | November 17, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Bean, I agree with cutting Galloway and RWilliams, they are wastes of space! However it would be dumb to cut Moore right now, who's going to replace him, Doughty? I would love to see an upgrade at FS next year, but we need his often-injured-wiffing-on-tackles azz! Also, Heyer might be incompetent, but I think Capers would probably do worse right now. I would only put these guys in when we are officially out of the playoff race, which should be in a week or two.

Posted by: monk811 | November 17, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

I'd like to see a post discussing the Expected Points Added (EPA)from going 0-10 on 3rd down, 4-37 in the last 3 games, or a NFL all-time worst of a 22% conversion rate for the season.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 17, 2010 8:49 AM

It's time to make some changes on the 3rd down packages. For whatever reason; scheme, players whatever, it clearly isn't working. Get Fred Davis, whose been one of the most proficient play makers, on the field. Get BB on the field to add a speed element. Sit players like Galloway or R Williams who have provided nothing in these situations.

Posted by: TWISI | November 17, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

"it's apparent to some of us that shanahan doesn't have what it takes anymore to be a HC in the nfl"

amazing that you can see this after 9, let me repeat NINE games...coaching a team that was 4-12 last year......thats quite the accomplishment there....

man do you look foolish writing stuff like that.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 17, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Feinstein is arguably the greatest sports writer of his generation.

Posted by: Pepper5 | November 17, 2010 8:36 AM


Then he should stick to writing books and leave the commentary to columnists. Just because he sold some books doesn't mean he's any less of an idiot for pulling the race card in a situation that didn't deserve it.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 17, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

bw26-

We had TWO weeks to prepare, playing at home, and just signed McNabb to an extension. This was a total team loss.

McNabb was below avg again...I blame him, KS, and the whole offense for setting all-time records at sucking on 3rd down.

KS had a Mike Martz type of opening drive. It's almost like he ran 3x in a row out of spite just to prove a point. I question just how big of a role he had in Houston compared to Kubiak when it came to calling plays.

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 17, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Brown, if you were following our discussion instead of beating your chest about a Rich Tandler article you might recognize that "2nd half" and "stretch" have different meanings.

Posted by: Pepper5 | November 17, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

I would only put these guys in TODAY because we are officially out of the playoff race...

monk fixed it for ya....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 17, 2010 9:09 AM | Report abuse

hessone,

It took you 9 games to figure out that Shannahan can no longer coach in the NFL.

Talk about Snyder being impatient and foolish.

The talent here is terrible thats not on Shanna/Allen, they did there best to bring in some young talent and had to get some veterans as well.

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 17, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Breaking News:

The Optimism Bus is in the shop, heavy repairs are needed, might not get back on the road until 2011. Until then, every into the Pessimism Pinto!

Posted by: monk811 | November 17, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

how long is this movie brown ?

Posted by: hessone | November 17, 2010 9:01 AM


Longer than 9 games.

I mean, really dude...do you proofread your stuff before you post it? You whine and cry about how we're not rebuilding, yet you wanna see results from this team yesterday. If this team did a proper rebuild, right now we'd be 2-7 at best. I have the patience for that if there's a plan in place. Do you?

Judging from your comments, you don't.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 17, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Sit players like Galloway or R Williams who have provided nothing in these situations.

Posted by: TWISI | November 17, 2010 9:06 AM

You can cut them both. You could make a case for Williams because he plays cov on teams but none can be made for Galloway. Cut JG and bring up Austin. He looked pretty good in his route runnning discipline in preseason and is also too small to play on teams cov. 32 targets, 9 catches, 3 INTS..Get him out of here..

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 17, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

If any fan actually thought this team could be turned around in one year you are nuts.

This team has no talent thank you Vinny, we have maybe 10 players who are good enough to start on other teams.

Everybody wanted Vinny out well he's gone it's going to take more then one offseason and 9 weeks to fix 10 years worth of mismanagement.

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 17, 2010 9:16 AM | Report abuse

I am also going to add to this discussion the point that Shanny in recent history (which actually relevant to Skins fans ) has demonstrated a clear pattern of starting strong and finishing worse.

Expand data set to 5 years

Note pattern (as in 80% of the time):

In 2004 the Denver Broncos went 5-1 to start and finished 3-3.

In 2005 the Broncos started strong 5-1 and finished strong 5-1.

In 2006, the Broncos started strong 5-1 and finished 2-4. The Broncos defense started off the first five games of the season allowing only one touchdown, an NFL record, but struggled down the season stretch.

In 2007 the Broncos started off OK at 3-3 and finished weak at 2-4.

In 2008, the Broncos got off to a respectable 4-2 , but finished 2-4.

Posted by: Pepper5 | November 17, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

I would only put these guys in TODAY because we are officially out of the playoff race...

monk fixed it for ya....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 17, 2010 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Making radical changes right now signifies defeat and giving up. I know I shouldn't be talking about playoffs (you kidding me, Playoffs!!!) but there are still 7 games left, and stranger things have happened. If you want the remaining talent on this team to keep competing and not turn on the coach either this year or next year you will be optimistic and learn from the Eagles loss (or raping, however you want to think about it) and try and bounce back. I know if I were on that field on Monday I couldn't wait to hit that field in Tennessee on Sunday and knock somebody out. Let's just see how they respond.

Posted by: monk811 | November 17, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Pepper, that doesn't change the fact that you're sticking Shanahan with a certain label using only 3 of his 14 years in Denver. By that logic, if I only bang 3 chicks in 14 years, I'm a pussy hound.

Diesel, agree that it's a total team loss--as are ALL losses, for that matter--all I'm sayin' is that blaming McNabb outright is misguided at best. He was down 14-0 before he even attempted a pass. I don't get why it's so hard for folks to withhold judgement on #5 until he's got a fighting chance to be productive...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 17, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse


man do you look foolish writing stuff like that.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 17, 2010 9:06 AM |

kind of like your DT11 stuff, huh greg.

Posted by: hessone | November 17, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

wow...just you can't make this stuff up...ufb...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 17, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

If any fan actually thought this team could be turned around in one year you are nuts.

This team has no talent thank you Vinny, we have maybe 10 players who are good enough to start on other teams.

Everybody wanted Vinny out well he's gone it's going to take more then one offseason and 9 weeks to fix 10 years worth of mismanagement.

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 17, 2010 9:16 AM


Amen.

What cracks me up, is that the "stop getting old players and REBUILD" crowd are the ones expecting the Skins to look good right away...as if simply uttering the word "rebuild" will magically make years of mismanagement disappear. You have to take at least a couple years to purge all the bad salaries/players and add the guys that actually fit the direction you've chosen. Anyone who thinks that happens in one offseason is thinking EXACTLY like the guy they couldn't wait to see fired...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 17, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

The talent here is terrible thats not on Shanna/Allen, they did there best to bring in some young talent and had to get some veterans as well.

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 17, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

No doubt but some of us were more had a real rebuild in mind, less emphasis on veterans. Plus, we've seen a lot of the vets brought in mostly fail at what they are supposed to do. It's a pretty long list:

Galloway, Hicks, Brown, Kemo, Buchanon, McNabb, Roydell, versus relative successes Carriker and Holliday.

I consider Lichtensteiger and Torain too young to be considered vets.

Posted by: Pepper5 | November 17, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

I'd like to motion that instead of using "beep beep" to signal a new thread, we use "dive ass".

Posted by: PlayAction | November 17, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Or boycott $nyder

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 17, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Amazes me how after a loss everyone is ready to dump the roster and begin rebuilding. Everyone says the team just doesn't have the talent. Then next week, we win and everyone is talking Super Bowl.

Oh, miserable Redskins fans, how fickle thou art.

The way I see it, the team is still in the hunt. The players on this team are not as bad as they looked on Monday night. The defensive scheme sucked and the players came out after a two week layoff unprepared. I do think there are some positions that could be upgraded, but the team doesn't have to throw out the baby with the bathwater. A few tweaks here and a few tweaks there should be enough for each week. However, if they get another two games in the hole, the season is over and I'd open the floodgates for the younger players.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 17, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Although we've already been burned by a acquiring a guy with a bum hip, this could be a good pickup in the offseason:

Sidney Rice not a lock to play for Vikings again
Posted by Michael David Smith on November 17, 2010, 9:11 AM EST

The Vikings have been waiting all season for the return of receiver Sidney Rice. They might be waiting forever.

The Minneapolis Star Tribune reports that it’s uncertain if Rice will play Sunday against the Packers, and if he doesn’t play and the Vikings lose, he might just shut it down for the season.

The Vikings have one more week to activate Rice from the physically unable to perform list or decide hold him out for the year. If the Vikings fall to 3-7 and four games behind the Packers, it might not make much sense to bring Rice back just so he can play out the string on a team that isn’t going anywhere.

Rice had hip surgery in August and started practicing two weeks ago. His hip has still been sore, and the Vikings apparently aren’t going to rush him back. With Rice becoming a free agent after the season, he could be done in Minnesota.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 17, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

By that logic, if I only bang 3 chicks in 14 years, I'm a pussy hound.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 17, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

No, if you're monogamous for nine years and then you break out into a pattern of lot's of casuals for the next five -- then yes you get rep as a pussy hound.

What we need to be concerned about with Shanahan is that he's no longer a great or even good coach. I don't know if he's lost it or not but there are some troubling signs. Still, I would still like to see this regime stick around for five years, if only to keep $nyder at bay.

Posted by: Pepper5 | November 17, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

The Optimism Bus is in the shop, heavy repairs are needed, might not get back on the road until 2011.

Posted by: monk811 | November 17, 2010 9:10 AM

Well I bought a season pass...will there be refunds issued? Or a credit towards next year?

Posted by: PlayAction | November 17, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Why does 'dive ass' always make me think of Cherokee? Which makes me think of Charlie Parker...?!

...man, this is a confusing Wednesday.

Look for Moss to have a great day unless Haslett decides he want's to do something about the QB this week... aside from letting him do whatever he wants...

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 17, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

5 weeks ago Gallaway and Roydell should have been cut. Lets get someone in there who can run routes and catch, How hard is that? How long did w.Parker and LJ last ? I have seen no more production from these two recivers, so get rid of them! and free up a roster spot for some young HUNGY players...

Posted by: ThrowItToMyTeam | November 17, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

No doubt but some of us were more had a real rebuild in mind, less emphasis on veterans. Plus, we've seen a lot of the vets brought in mostly fail at what they are supposed to do. It's a pretty long list:

Galloway, Hicks, Brown, Kemo, Buchanon, McNabb, Roydell, versus relative successes Carriker and Holliday.

Posted by: Pepper5 | November 17, 2010 9:28 AM


See this is the problem...we're 9 games into the season. Did you REALLY expect these guys to hit the ground running despite EVERYONE playing in a new system?

There are typically growing pains in a new regime. Whether that lasts 9 games or 16 or 20 remains to be seen. Any way you slice it, if you had this team any better than 4-5 or 5-4 after 9 games, then you had your expectations waaay out of whack.

Ride it out. Right now we've got a game on Sunday in Tennessee. Focus should be there instead of what we coulda/shoulda/woulda done last offseason...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 17, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse


Longer than 9 games.

I mean, really dude...do you proofread your stuff before you post it? You whine and cry about how we're not rebuilding, yet you wanna see results from this team yesterday. If this team did a proper rebuild, right now we'd be 2-7 at best. I have the patience for that if there's a plan in place. Do you?

Judging from your comments, you don't.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 17, 2010 9:11 AM |

1) the plan in place, which has been my point here, is flawed to some of us.

2) records were set monday night, embarrassing records that after two weeks to prepare for an opposing team should've never been recorded. shanahan has lost his touch

3) I can respond to your post with dignity and not the way you've responded to mine, trying to make a point by making an ass out of someone, this includes you greg, he who always cast the first stone

4) enjoy the show and have a wonderful day

Posted by: hessone | November 17, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

The Optimism Bus is in the shop

I suggest that next year we leave it in the garage until after mid season.

That way, we save on gas and expectation.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | November 17, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

6 wins! Woo Hoo!

We beat Dallas twice & I'm in Hog Heaven!

Maybe we even get one against the 'Ginas - hey, the Patty's did it.

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 17, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

What we need to be concerned about with Shanahan is that he's no longer a great or even good coach. I don't know if he's lost it or not but there are some troubling signs. Still, I would still like to see this regime stick around for five years, if only to keep $nyder at bay.

Posted by: Pepper5 | November 17, 2010 9:37 AM


See, this is what I don't buy...a dude doesn't roll outta bed and forget how to coach. He's always been an egomaniac and he's always been a dick. Most great coaches are. Thus far, the only major difference between Shanahan in D.C. and Shanahan in Denver is that here he's not winning yet.

Again...you're throwing out sweeping generalizations based on 9 games. We've got no O-line, no WRs, and a defense in flux. Just being 4-5 under those circumstances tells me he's far from inept.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 17, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

R Harris
R Kali

A man can wish

Posted by: TWISI | November 17, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

that just sounded like a whole bunch of whining.....the train for mamby pamby land leaves in 1/2 an hour....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 17, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Don't worry guys. We are only facing another Speedy QB, one of the best and fastest RB's in the buiz, a great D line, and not to mention Randy Moss.

Posted by: roccoskins | November 17, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Galloway, Hicks, Brown, Kemo, Buchanon, McNabb, Roydell, versus relative successes Carriker and Holliday.

Posted by: Pepper5 | November 17, 2010 9:28 AM
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I honestly don't hate these. Galloway and roydell are useless, and I wish we went in another direction but they cost us nothing. Kemo was clearly a stopgap solution who also cost nothing. You have to take low cost fliers sometimes in our position. Buchanon has been ok, but I wish barnes were able to unseat him. Assume the coaches don't think he can play (thanks Vinny). Mcnabb I think is too early to declare a good or bad move. And carriker was a steal. Going forward, we need some luck to turn it quickly. Ie, Malcolm healthy and contributing, a very good rookie offensive lineman, and another lucky (and cheap) free agent or two. I just hope the FO isn't as panicked as the posters up here.

Posted by: AdamCr | November 17, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

1) the plan in place, which has been my point here, is flawed to some of us.

2) records were set monday night, embarrassing records that after two weeks to prepare for an opposing team should've never been recorded. shanahan [looks like he's] lost his touch

3) I can respond to your post with dignity and not the way you've responded to mine, trying to make a point by making an ass out of someone

4) enjoy the show and have a wonderful day

Posted by: hessone | November 17, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Co-sign -- with a few edits.

Posted by: Pepper5 | November 17, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

1) the plan in place, which has been my point here, is flawed to some of us.

2) records were set monday night, embarrassing records that after two weeks to prepare for an opposing team should've never been recorded. shanahan has lost his touch

3) I can respond to your post with dignity and not the way you've responded to mine, trying to make a point by making an ass out of someone, this includes you greg, he who always cast the first stone

4) enjoy the show and have a wonderful day

Posted by: hessone | November 17, 2010 9:46 AM


1) You can't say how well the plan works if it hasn't been carried out. A bit shortsighted to say that a 5 step plan doesn't work after only Step 1.

2) The Pats crushed us in similar fashion in '07 to the tune of a 52-7 beatdown. If I recall correctly, we made the playoffs that year.

3) Responding with dignity is tainted if you're the one pointing it out.

4) You too. Have a good one.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 17, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

rocco, I think Collins might be the starter this week....and RMoss...come on man...third team in the last 45 days....1 catch this past game....he's no longer interested in playing football....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 17, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

brownwood

If this team did a proper rebuild, right now we'd be 2-7 at best. I have the patience for that if there's a plan in place. Do you?


If the redskins were rebuilding with young players, then I'd have all the patience in the world.

But the man who came to town from Denver brought reputation and expectation with him.

He shed older players and added older players.

He traded for a veteran quarterback and right tackle, and spent draft picks along the way to get them.

His idea was, "Win now!"

Well, we ain't winning, and what wins have come haven't been commanding, dominating contests.

Something is sad about your winning when field goal kicking with little time on the clock is all that defines it.

Say what you want about him, all we have to remember know is that the man from Denver was fired from his last job.

And if things continue the way they have by next year at this time, he should be fired from this one.

And that, for right now, is all I really have the patience for.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | November 17, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse


What cracks me up, is that the "stop getting old players and REBUILD" crowd are the ones expecting the Skins to look good right away...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 17, 2010 9:28 AM |

not one poster has come close to what you're making up here brown. I haven't seen one poster suggest we turn this thing around on a dime, and I certainly don't expect a winning team for several years.

you want to trade picks for veterans, I'm all for your cause, but don't criticize a fan who doesn't agree with that plan and then put words in their mouths to prove your point

AGAIN, I never have nor do I expect this team to have a winning record for several years. I'm a very patient man, but ten years and the same "go out and get someone better" is old.

I want draft picks and to build through the draft a YOUNG oline and dline, then add thru the draft and FA's the missing talent positions, but for some reason I'm misunderstood.

I don't think you have the patients brown or you wouldn't have liked trading draft picks for an older veteran QB on the downside that cost more cash and draft picks

Posted by: hessone | November 17, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Charlie Murphy!

Posted by: Diesel44 | November 17, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

3) I can respond to your post with dignity and not the way you've responded to mine, trying to make a point by making an ass out of someone, this includes you greg, he who always cast the first stone

Posted by: hessone | November 17, 2010 9:46 AM |

hessone, you got amnesia? Alzheimer's? You were up here last week trying to get somebody to come by and perform a homosexual act. Dignity? Class?

Posted by: beep-beep | November 17, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse


hessone, you got amnesia? Alzheimer's? You were up here last week trying to get somebody to come by and perform a homosexual act. Dignity? Class?

Posted by: beep-beep | November 17, 2010 10:06 AM |

I believe that would be one p_n_i beep, the same poster that everyone, including you , has ripped into

Posted by: hessone | November 17, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

that just sounded like a whole bunch of whining.....the train for mamby pamby land leaves in 1/2 an hour....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 17, 2010 9:52 AM


LOL...love that commercial. Funny how that guy has carved such a nice niche for himself as that drill instructor type from Full Metal Jacket.

Somewhat agree on the Titans...Collins and VY both got hurt last week and I have no idea who their 3rd guy is. Plus, Randy Moss is only dangerous when he wants to be and there's no guarantee he'll be that guy when we see him. Although with our luck, he'll wake up Friday with something to prove...

If you stop and think about it, each game we've lost has been against top shelf QBs. The games we've won have been against teams with QBs that top out at average (Rodgers being the only exception). Gives me a sliver of hope for Sunday...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 17, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

It would be a miracle if our team actually showed heart?

I'd say that even a display of 'heart' would not have rendered a game win aginast the iggles.

Andy Reid has just simply made better choices in terms of scheme and personnel.

He took a chance on Mike Vick.

And Kevin Kolb ain't too shabby either.

He has revamped his entire receiving group.

He decided to trade Donovan McNabb within the division to a team lacking speed, playmakers, and consistent and clever use of draft picks.

And in fact, in terms of draft picks, he got two picks from the redskins as a result of the McNabb trade.

And the redskins need those picks more than McNabb as he routinely throws his own picks.

Reid now commands one of the best teams in the league, all due to smart choices and long term planning.

The story moving forward now is, will Mike Vick leads the iggles to the Super Bowl?

Brady v. Vick has suddenly become a vision on the horizon that has NFL marketers chompin' at the money bit to make real.

Meanwhile, in D.C., what the redskins need moving forward isn't more 'heart'.

We need some brains.

And sum luck.

And sum clever folks in the front offices who make better choices than trading for/signing quarterbacks/defensive linemen/wide receivers/running backs who used to be good.

I'd end with "Hail!"

But since we're all in HELL, it might not be appropriate.

Posted by: gimmesummoe | November 17, 2010 7:10 AM | Report abuse

And summoe! Good analysis, Moe.

Posted by: frediefritz | November 17, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

The Optimism Bus is in the shop, heavy repairs are needed, might not get back on the road until 2011.

Posted by: monk811 | November 17, 2010 9:10 AM

Well I bought a season pass...will there be refunds issued? Or a credit towards next year?

Posted by: PlayAction | November 17, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Sorry, all sales are final, try again next year!!!

Posted by: monk811 | November 17, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

I believe that would be one p_n_i beep, the same poster that everyone, including you , has ripped into

Posted by: hessone | November 17, 2010 10:10 AM

No, it was his successor Personal_Fowl who most people, including me, have ITA'd. But I have never invited homosexual contacts of anyone up here (or elsewhere), and I don't got around with puffed-up hypocrisy about my dignity. You can't solicit sexual favors one week and then turn around and strut your "dignity."

Posted by: beep-beep | November 17, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Again...you're throwing out sweeping generalizations based on 9 games. We've got no O-line, no WRs, and a defense in flux. Just being 4-5 under those circumstances tells me he's far from inept.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 17, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Of course some of Redskins current weaknesses flow directly from decisions Shanahan has made; trading for McNabb, switching to 3-4 etc.

The words I've used to evaluate Shanahan are are -- possibly not great or worse, possibly not good. I haven't said he's inept. Those are your words.

What I've pointed out this a.m. is a recent pattern of deteriorating performances. Others including me have noted Shanahan's failures acquiring talent, which is also relevant. Others still have beefs with the way he handles personnel, the vindictiveness, benchings, etc. Maybe we should discuss his awesome 2005 (13-3), why it happened and how they got away from it. On the other hand Wade Philips went 13-3, didn't he?

If anything, I've been too loyal to Shanny up here. I defended his treatment of AH ad nauseum and defended his decision to bench Mcnabb. But let's be honest, that beat-down Monday night coming off the bye is really troubling. It was an eye-opener. It means something. For me, now everything is going to be re-scrutinized. Coaches, front office, players, owner.

Posted by: Pepper5 | November 17, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

rocco, I think Collins might be the starter this week....and RMoss...come on man...third team in the last 45 days....1 catch this past game....he's no longer interested in playing football....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 17, 2010 9:59 AM
_________________________________________________

Nah Collins is out, so if Vince isn't healthy we will see there 3rd string QB. Lol, I know Randy hasn't done much, but we still have to be aware of him.

Posted by: roccoskins | November 17, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

you want to trade picks for veterans, I'm all for your cause, but don't criticize a fan who doesn't agree with that plan and then put words in their mouths to prove your poin...


Posted by: hessone | November 17, 2010 10:01 AM


When did I say thats what I want? I've said all along and repeatedly: build thru the draft, accessorize the roster with FA. Since we had close to no picks last year, you can't go that route off the bat.

They invested in a proven, veteran QB. I would have liked to stick it out with JC one more year and draft a guy, but I can see the value in getting McNabb too. Just because I'm willing to give this thing time to play out doesn't mean I'm against a rebuild.

And just because you haven't uttered the words "I'm impatient" doesn't mean you're not exhibiting that...if you truly expect this thing to take years to pan out, then why are you ruling everything an epic fail just 9 games into the season? Patience means saying, "Damn it I hate that we're losing but maybe it pays off in the end"...not cutting every veteran and playing practice squad guys in an overreaction to a bad loss.

Long term rebuilding and short term rebuilding have one very key component in common: neither happens overnight.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 17, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse


No, it was his successor Personal_Fowl who most people, including me, have ITA'd. But I have never invited homosexual contacts of anyone up here (or elsewhere), and I don't got around with puffed-up hypocrisy about my dignity. You can't solicit sexual favors one week and then turn around and strut your "dignity."

Posted by: beep-beep | November 17, 2010 10:21 AM |

you're right beep, besides, you're way to dry to make remarks like those. I apologize if I've offended you

Posted by: hessone | November 17, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Sorry, all sales are final, try again next year!!!

Posted by: monk811 | November 17, 2010 10:13 AM

Surely transfers to the Pessimism Pinto are free for the remainder of the year.

I'm not making a prediction this week...I don't think.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 17, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse


Long term rebuilding and short term rebuilding have one very key component in common: neither happens overnight.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 17, 2010 10:23 AM |

agree brown, you stated how I feel about rebuilding, but that plan was crushed by trading our picks. we'll be talking about this after the offseason moves have been made, and I can only hope we keep and use our draft picks well


Posted by: hessone | November 17, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

dive ass

Posted by: PlayAction | November 17, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Of course some of Redskins current weaknesses flow directly from decisions Shanahan has made; trading for McNabb, switching to 3-4 etc.

Posted by: Pepper5 | November 17, 2010 10:23 AM


This is where we disagree...I'm not ready to call McNabb a "weakness" or call that trade a failure. After 9 games, nobody should be.

And we have no idea if the 3-4 switch is a total failure...if you wanna hide behind the false bravado of a defense that ranks high in yardage yet gives up points in droves in the 4th quarter and takes the ball away about as often as you see Haley's Comet, then be my guest. Seems to me, we were doing a decent job of keeping people out of the end zone (at least before Monday night) and MUCH improved at taking the ball away. Both of which were the point of making the switch.

While I agree that getting routed off a bye is troubling, it's not the end of the world. It looks bad now, but so did the Redskins' outlook on the heels on that 52-7 loss to NE a couple years ago. Truth of the matter is we have NO idea what Redskins team is gonna show up from week to week. I'm just not ready to declare this thing a Zorn-esque debacle until I see it.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 17, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse


beep, it's time to move on

Posted by: hessone | November 17, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Long term rebuilding and short term rebuilding have one very key component in common: neither happens overnight.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 17, 2010 10:23 AM

I with you BW26. I didn't enjoy watching Monday's performance, but overall the team is playing about as well as one would have reasonably expected. We all hope for instant success, but n reality a rebuild is going to be filled with a bunch of ups and downs.

I look at the contributions from some of the young talent on this team and remain filled with anticipation of sustained success in the near future for this team.

Posted by: TWISI | November 17, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Beep Beep

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 17, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Yaaawwwwnnn....

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 17, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Sorry, all sales are final, try again next year!!!

Posted by: monk811 | November 17, 2010 10:13 AM

Surely transfers to the Pessimism Pinto are free for the remainder of the year.

I'm not making a prediction this week...I don't think.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 17, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

The Pessimism Pinto is up and running, but don't expect it to be on time, and the interier smells worse than Personal_Fowl's body odor. Koolaid will no longer be served on board, we are now switching to Hater-Aid, a favorite choice of pabrainiac2003!

Come on, we gotta have a prediction. Just ask your broken machine, it's usually wrong anyway.

Posted by: monk811 | November 17, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Exactly...Feinstein is an overrated, low-rent d-bag and I saw Wise as an all-out fraud even before he made up that Big Ben story. I miss the days of opening up the WaPo sports page and being able to read Wilbon and Kornheiser...now it's some fat chick that looks like John Goodman and asshats like Feinstein and Wise. I haven't seen this kind of downgrade since Bubby Brister took over for Elway...

Posted by: brownwood26

I agree with you and beep-beep. That (Rick's article) is an excellent take on Feinstein. Except that "fat chick" you mentioned is way better. Tracy is actually very reasonable compared to the 4 bone-heads you mentioned (yes include Wilbon and Tony in that list). Wilbon seemed to be loosing it too! He is writing just for the sake of writing. I don't really see any effort to be more insightful. So in sum WaPo Sports writers are pretty ordinary. And Thank god TK is not writing anymore..

Posted by: KarK | November 17, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

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