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Statistical analysis: Which defensive players are helping the Redskins the most?

By Brian Burke
Statistical analysis

Halfway through the season is a good time to look at which individual Redskins have made the biggest impact so far. I recently looked at the offensive side of the ball in this post. Now it's time to look at the MVPs on defense.

Measuring defensive performance with objective statistics has traditionally been a challenge. +WPA measures defender playmaking by summing the Win Probability Added of all the plays in which a defender is credited for a defensive victory. In other words, only plays that are setbacks for the offense are counted toward a defender's +WPA. The half of all plays that are offensive victories should not be charged against the defender who made the tackle. Consider the backside defensive end who tracks down a running back from behind 10 yards down-field. The WPA was positive for the offense, but at the same time, the defensive end should not be penalized for his effort.

The defensive line has not been a standout unit for the Redskins. Vonnie Holliday leads the group with a 0.63 +WPA -- meaning his positive impact plays have totaled 63 percent of a single win. A large chunk of that is thanks to the hit he put on Bears quarterback Jay Cutler as he threw a crucial fourth interception of the game. Holliday also put a hit on Lions quarterback Matthew Stafford with 4 minutes to play, forcing a critical incompletion on third down. Albert Haynesworth is second on the line with 0.41 +WPA, despite limited playing time.

London Fletcher leads the linebacker corps with 1.06 +WPA. His biggest play may not ever make a highlight reel, but it helped with a tight game against a division foe. Fletcher dropped Cowboys running back Tashard Choice for a 3-yard loss on a 3rd and 2 late in the fourth quarter, worth a WPA of 0.13. Fletcher has racked up 2 sacks, 5 passes defended, 2 QB hits, 2 forced fumbles and 2 tackles for a loss. Fletcher and Rocky McIntosh have made quite a combo in the second level so far. McIntosh is right behind Fletcher with 0.80 +WPA, credited with 2 sacks, 2 passes defended, 2 QB hits, 1 forced fumble, and 2 tackles for a loss. Both linebackers sport a tackle factor of 1.50, meaning they each have 50 percent more of their team's tackles than the typical linebacker.

LaRon Landry is not only the top safety on the Redskins, he's been the top safety in the league in terms of making plays. He's moved the needle by a total of 1.71 +WPA over 8 games, totaling 60 tackles, 1 sack, 1 interception, 7 passes defended, 5 QB hits, 1 forced fumble and 6 tackles for losses. In short, Landry is cleaning up the mess that the defensive line is leaving.

And that brings us to DeAngelo Hall, whose first eight games of the season defy words. With 9 passes defended, 1 forced fumble, 2 tackles for losses, and 6 interceptions -- not to mention a fumble recovery returned for touchdown -- Hall has totaled 2.00 +WPA. Needless to say, he leads the league. The closest other cornerback is Charles Woodson of the Packers with 1.31 +WPA. Woodson is closer to the 22nd-ranked cornerback than he is to Hall. That's how amazing Hall's 2010 has been so far.

But Landry's and Hall's highlight reels illustrate the problem with the Redskins defense. Overall, they're ranked 25th in the league in net WPA. You don't want your defensive secondary making lots of plays. You'd prefer your defensive line making all the plays. Just like the offense, the conversation needs to focus on the line. The Redskins appear to be a hollow team, with plenty of shiny bells and whistles on the perimeter, but without either playmakers or depth in the trenches.


Brian Burke is a former Navy pilot who has given up his F/A-18 for the less dangerous hobby of football analysis. He is the creator of Advanced NFL Stats, a Web site about football, statistics and game theory.

By Brian Burke  | November 12, 2010; 6:05 AM ET
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Beep, I'm not going that far...but what Keim is saying is that the Skins haven't practiced the 2-minute drill in 6 weeks. That's mindboggling for a team that can't win a game by more than 7 points and plays all their games close. For this team, that should be the FIRST thing they practice.

And I don't know how much I buy this hamstring thing with McNabb...I mean, if his legs were that bad off, how is he able to set us up for the first TD with that 36 yard sprint? Seems to me he would've blown at least one of those hammies if they were in such rough shape...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 12, 2010 6:21 AM | Report abuse

Some interesting stuff from Jaws on McNabb:

On how he would grade Donovan so far: “I said this early in the year, I thought his game against Houston was the best game I saw him play in his career. That’s how well he played in that game. There have been uneven games, but you have to look at the whole body of this offense right now. They have some issues. Obviously the quarterback gets too much credit when it goes well and two much blame when it goes poorly. The offensive line has really struggled. There is too much quick pressure on the quarterback. When he ahs the time in the pocket, and they have max protection, he’s been able to execute those plays almost flawlessly. Too many times there is quick pressure; too many times receivers are dropping balls and there are too many known situations for the defense when they can get after the quarterback. When the protection is there, he has operated this offense well. When there’s pressure, that’s when mistakes have been made.


Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sports/blogs/redskins-confidential/Jaws-calls-McNabb-benching-a-head-scratcher-107284994.html#ixzz15495xoSr


Posted by: brownwood26 | November 12, 2010 6:23 AM | Report abuse

And I don't know how much I buy this hamstring thing with McNabb...


Posted by: brownwood26 | November 12, 2010 6:14 AM

Most people believe what they want to believe. You believe it if Keim says they haven't practiced the two-minute drill. You don't believe it if Keim says it's because of Donovan's hamstrings.

Maybe the right attitude, especially with Shanahan smoke screens, is from Marvin Gaye's "Heard it through the Grapevine":

People say believe half of what you see,
Son, and none of what you hear.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 12, 2010 6:27 AM | Report abuse

But Landry's and Hall's highlight reels illustrate the problem with the Redskins defense. Overall, they're ranked 25th in the league in net WPA. You don't want your defensive secondary making lots of plays. You'd prefer your defensive line making all the plays. Just like the offense, the conversation needs to focus on the line. The Redskins appear to be a hollow team, with plenty of shiny bells and whistles on the perimeter, but without either playmakers or depth in the trenches.


This is why this guy is a complete idiot and his sh-t makes no sense.

D-Hall's plays are made in the secondary there called Int's I don't see a ton of d-linemen getting pics.

I would say that 85% of Landry's tackles are at or near the line of scrimmage.

Thanks for serving in the military but these kind of statitics don't mean sh-t.

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 12, 2010 6:37 AM | Report abuse

3-4 defensive linemen are not going to make a lot of plays they are there to eat blockers and the LB's make plays.

Looks to me like are LB's are doing a good job.

Who makes the plays in Pittsburgh's defense not there d-linemen thats for sure, maybe Troy P. should stop making plays since the d-linemen should be able to do what he does.

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 12, 2010 6:42 AM | Report abuse

but these kind of statitics don't mean sh-t.

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 12, 2010 6:37 AM

You know, just because you can compute a statistic doesn't mean that it you should, or that it's useful.

My son made a C in algebra. But 87% of the kids in his class made an A, so his WPA = .87. That should get him into U. Md. If he can get his WPA up to 1.0 then he can apply to Duke.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 12, 2010 6:44 AM | Report abuse


happy friday RI combatants, I mean folks

Win Probability Added = we're probably going to lose, but but they still have to plqay the game

Posted by: hessone | November 12, 2010 6:56 AM | Report abuse

Agreed Flound, that's why I hate these posts...you can pretty much make stats say whatever you want 'em to say. I'm just tired of b*tching about these moronic posts, plus it looks like the WaPo is doggedly determined to shove this sh*t down our throats anyway...

Jeff Chadiha did a pretty good article about the young QBs in the league...sort of a must-read for us since it's looking increasingly likely we'll be drafting a QB in April...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?page=hotread09/YoungQBs

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 12, 2010 6:58 AM | Report abuse

Wow...did anyone else see this?

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Clinton-Portis-wears-Phillies-hat-four-days-befo?urn=nfl-284674

Not a big deal to me, but you'd think CP would know better...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 12, 2010 7:23 AM | Report abuse

I'm just tired of b*tching about these moronic posts, plus it looks like the WaPo is doggedly determined to shove this sh*t down our throats

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 12, 2010 6:58 AM

No one from the Washington Post reads the comments on RI anymore, so you're complaining in the wrong way. You need to start sending e/m's to Jason Reid if you want your complaints read.

What will happen is that he'll turn all the complaints over to Brian Burke who will calculate each complainer's WPA. "Brownwood's WPA = -.26 which means his complaints are especially weak and the more he complains the more we shove the stuff down his throat. Of course, everyone else's complaints are weaker. Poopy_McPoop is the only one with a WPA above zero and that's why we keep posting sh1t."

Posted by: beep-beep | November 12, 2010 7:29 AM | Report abuse

No one from the Washington Post reads the comments on RI anymore, so you're complaining in the wrong way. You need to start sending e/m's to Jason Reid if you want your complaints read.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 12, 2010 7:29 AM


I doubt there would be room in his inbox...what with all the random "reader questions" about AH and McNabb...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 12, 2010 7:41 AM | Report abuse


wpa and burke i'll take anyday compared to the likes of mike wise. dude writes columns that should be sent to the septic system to be eaten by the bacteria in the septic tank


Posted by: hessone | November 12, 2010 7:45 AM | Report abuse

Can't wait for Greg to come up here strutting after his Celts schooled the Miami Beat again...maybe someone should tell them there's no automatic bye into the Eastern Conference Finals....

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 12, 2010 7:46 AM | Report abuse

This Burke guy should give it up. This stuff is straight up stupid. Tell me Laron Landry and DeAngelo Hall have contributed to victories this season and I'll believe you, but tell me that Vonnie Holiday has contributed more than guys like Philip Daniels, Carriker and Haynesworth and I can tell that you are on crack.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 12, 2010 7:47 AM | Report abuse

wpa and burke i'll take anyday compared to the likes of mike wise. dude writes columns that should be sent to the septic system to be eaten by the bacteria in the septic tank

Posted by: hessone | November 12, 2010 7:45 AM

Recycling. His columns came out of the septic tank.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 12, 2010 7:48 AM | Report abuse

burke and mike wise write columns that should be sent to the septic system to be eaten by the bacteria in the septic tank

Posted by: hessone | November 12, 2010 7:45 AM


There...fixed it for ya...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 12, 2010 7:53 AM | Report abuse

Portis suffers setback, running back situation for Eagles game is still unclear

What?

You got to be kidding me.

For the second year in a row, we got running back issues.

New coach, same issues.

All we are missing is Sherm Lewis, Quinton Ganther, and admonishments to Stay Medium.

This situation, like last year's, sucks.

Can't we get a break?

Can't we get some healthy--good/speedy--running backs?

Where's our Woodhead?

Can't some Darren McFadden wake up in redskin colors and suddenly become one of the better backs in the league?

Can't some Peyton Hillis type get traded to us for somebody named Brady Quinn?

The browns got lucky with a running back, why not us?

We got lucky with a post-Jets Riggio long ago, what's happened since?

We got bad luck like Bill Gates got money to give away.

We are about to go into a Monday Nite game after a BYE hoping to get a jump start on the second half of the season (when you want a sound running game) with no true running back and invisible receivers outside of Moss/Cooley.

No healthy/good running backs: It's 2009 all over again.

Again, at that position, we got more problems than luck.

And unlike Bill Gates, we can't even give away what we have too much of.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 12, 2010 7:54 AM | Report abuse


Vonnie Holiday, you've got to be kidding me, right ?

Posted by: hessone | November 12, 2010 8:01 AM | Report abuse

I wish I'd saved all the posts from people on this site who said we paid Hall too much, how he was overrated and a washed up bum. The posts I've read on Landry were equally hilarious... He can't cover. He is a liability. Cut him...etc

The Same people who are rippin Shanny, McNabb, or both will be singing their praises if the Skins can put a streak together. All the folks who post on this site crack me up.

Posted by: skins91r | November 12, 2010 8:10 AM | Report abuse

Where's our Woodhead?

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 12, 2010 7:54 AM


I'll let you think about how that sounds.

*end sophomoric punch line*

Moe, when did you get so wishy-washy, dude? You're one of the more level-headed posters up here and yet here you are with this "sky is falling" routine.

Ryan Torain was supposed to be our Peyton Hillis. Still think he can be if the line can get out of its own way and if he can stay healthy for an extended period of time.

We got our Danny Woodhead...his name is Brandon Banks. We just don't have a coach as imaginative as Belichick when it comes to getting those guys on the field consistently. All we can do is hope than in this copycat league, Shanahan will wise up to the benefits of getting #16 on the field for a few offensive plays.

Lo Alexander has been a great find. Getting a guy like London Fletcher in FA is a HUGE coup that probably negated some of the bad signings of the last couple years.

We've gotten some breaks...just not enough to overcome the awful front office model we've had for the last 10+ years.

Here's hoping this is the regime with whom the tide finally turns for the better...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 12, 2010 8:14 AM | Report abuse

brown, haha, no bragging, long season, that being said, Chris Bosh needs to stop just being 'along for the ride', and act like the pre-season is over....

woodhead was there for the taking...

my issue/concern with Torian is his penchant for being injured...given the paper thin depth at rb...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 12, 2010 8:21 AM | Report abuse

You're one of the more level-headed posters up here and yet here you are with this "sky is falling" routine.


Blame the tone of that post on the lack of coffee.

And because I gots tons of paperwork to go through, that post is about all I have time for today.

Peace.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 12, 2010 8:27 AM | Report abuse


Moe, when did you get so wishy-washy, dude? You're one of the more level-headed posters up here and yet here you are with this "sky is falling" routine.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 12, 2010 8:14 AM |

maybe you're not so level-headed sometimes brown with your "sky's the limit" optimism.
I see what moe does, a QB that is labelled elite that is not playing that way. when did we have a RB that has played the whole season and finished strong ? the FO are the ones that keep ignoring the fact that a good offense starts with the good, young o-line. not everyone is saying the "sky is falling", some are just seeing more of the same dysfuntional things at redskins park.

Posted by: hessone | November 12, 2010 8:30 AM | Report abuse

Greg, love your boy Paul Pierce's tweet: "It's been a pleasure to bring my talents to south beach now on to Memphis"...pretty much says it all, really...

Agreed on Bosh...that dude is a trade deadline deal waiting to happen...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 12, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse

brown, the heat woulda been better off bringing in Boozer...less money, more bang for the buck...they don't have anyone who can board...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 12, 2010 8:34 AM | Report abuse

the FO are the ones that keep ignoring the fact that a good offense starts with the good, young o-line. not everyone is saying the "sky is falling", some are just seeing more of the same dysfuntional things at redskins park.

Posted by: hessone | November 12, 2010 8:30 AM |

They drafted the best o-linemen in the draft and traded for another guy, what else were they supposed to do after 10 years of o-line neglect?

You can't rebuild a team in one draft with limited picks, also FA's sucked this year with the new rules.

Could they have saved the draft pick traded for Mcnabb sure and that might have gotten them another o-Line guy but not guaranteed.

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 12, 2010 8:36 AM | Report abuse

I miss Quinton Ganther.

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 12, 2010 8:36 AM | Report abuse


And because I gots tons of paperwork to go through, that post is about all I have time for today.

Peace.


Posted by: MistaMoe | November 12, 2010 8:27 AM |

damn moe, I thought you were retired !

greg, seems like we can't keep a RB healthy anymore. at this point, why not give some of these other RB's a chance monday nite and let torian rest another week

Posted by: hessone | November 12, 2010 8:41 AM | Report abuse

maybe you're not so level-headed sometimes brown with your "sky's the limit" optimism.

Posted by: hessone | November 12, 2010 8:30 AM


Dude, have you EVER read my stuff? Ask any of the "regulars" here what my stuff consisted of before Vinny got fired...I was almost as bad as you were with the "$nyder" posts.

I'm far from the driver of the bandwagon...I'm just not ready to assume that things are every bit as dysfunctional as they once were just because we've been the subject of a couple media dramas.

I mean, think about the sh*tstorm it was when McNabb got benched the first time...he rebounded and made the NFC title game for the umpteenth time. Remember when Belichick inexplicably cut Lawyer Milloy and the Pats lost their first two games? They didn't lose again...and won a SB. I'm not saying either instance is likely with the Redskins...just making the point that it's not over till it's over.

Especially when you have guys with a track record like Shanahan and McNabb's.

So I wouldn't call my approach to the Redskins as "sky's the limit optimism" as I would simply dealing with the here and now and not going nuts with the speculation of what could/would/should happen.

When you follow one team as closely and as passionately as we do, it's easy to believe the problems you see are unique to your team. They're not. THAT'S why I'm not fretting over this.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 12, 2010 8:42 AM | Report abuse

brown, the heat woulda been better off bringing in Boozer...less money, more bang for the buck...they don't have anyone who can board...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 12, 2010 8:34 AM


Chris Broussard on ESPN keeps stumping for them to get Erick Dampier to toughen 'em up in the middle...he's not a cure all, but I'm sure he could help.

I hope they don't do jack sh*t...all hype, no substance. I hope they fall off the face of the earth like LeBron's favorite football team...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 12, 2010 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Yeh, I think the reaction to the benching has the typical post 2000 hyperbole to it.

I mean, a QB got benched 'cause he wasn't playing well.... that's a surprise? Hadn't most of us at least THOUGHT it might be a good move to bench him, even if we didn't think it would happen? I did. Given all the Soup reaction the last few years I have to imagine you did, too.

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 12, 2010 8:50 AM | Report abuse

brown, he'd help, they gotta do something...that team has zero heart...no one wants to do any drrrty work on the glass...to be honest, they could use Dennis Rodman in his prime...the Dennis that didn't cross dress, and do all that crazy stuff...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 12, 2010 8:56 AM | Report abuse

I hope they don't do jack sh*t...all hype, no substance. I hope they fall off the face of the earth like LeBron's favorite football team...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 12, 2010 8:47 AM

I hope Nike keeps running that LeBron commercial. Every time it plays he loses another ten die-hard fans and Nike loses sales.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 12, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Came across an analysis of NFL QBs and whether they contribute to sacks by holding the ball too long. The NFL median for sacks is 2.7 seconds, same as in 2009. McNabb is within the safe zone, with a median of 2.6, suggesting the high sack total is mostly pass protection rather than dithering on his part. Guys like Manning, Brees, and Brady are among QBs getting rid of it soonest, and somebody like Vince Young benefits from the rollouts that his team runs for him. For Jason Campbell fans, there's a special notation about him:

"On the other end of the spectrum, Jason Campbell is not an offensive lineman's best friend. He may have the Raiders winning some football games, but he's also had five sacks this season where he held the ball for 3.5 seconds or more, and three sacks where he held the ball for more than six seconds."

Helps illuminate last year's disaster -- poor pass protection and a QB who wants his receiver to be 3 yards from a defender before he throws it.

Posted by: Samson151 | November 12, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

"The Redskins appear to be a hollow team, with plenty of shiny bells and whistles on the perimeter, but without either playmakers or depth in the trenches."

LOL

Whoever said these stat posts are a waste of time are ignoring gems like this.

Posted by: Pepper5 | November 12, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse


Dude, have you EVER read my stuff? Ask any of the "regulars" here what my stuff consisted of before Vinny got fired...I was almost as bad as you were with the "$nyder" posts.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 12, 2010 8:42 AM |

brown, yes I do read your stuff and no one was as bad as I was in regards to the "snyder" post. funny how some folks told me to forget it and move on yet, they keep bringing it up.

dik, not suprised by the benching, I think it was the timing of it that makes it more than what it really is, a QB struggling and a team that needed a wake-up call. unfortunately they hit the snooze button and the media licked its chops


Posted by: hessone | November 12, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Where's our Woodhead?

Can't some Darren McFadden wake up in redskin colors and suddenly become one of the better backs in the league?

Can't some Peyton Hillis type get traded to us for somebody named Brady Quinn?

The browns got lucky with a running back, why not us?

We got lucky with a post-Jets Riggio long ago, what's happened since?

We got bad luck like Bill Gates got money to give away.

We are about to go into a Monday Nite game after a BYE hoping to get a jump start on the second half of the season (when you want a sound running game) with no true running back and invisible receivers outside of Moss/Cooley.

No healthy/good running backs: It's 2009 all over again.

Again, at that position, we got more problems than luck.

And unlike Bill Gates, we can't even give away what we have too much of.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 12, 2010 7:54 AM
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Unless you have a running back like Barry Sanders or Jim Brown, you're not going to have much of a running attack unless you have a decent offensive line. I think the Redskins have done very well with finding running backs over the years. Guys like Terry Allen, Stephen Davis, Clinton Portis and Ernest Byner were all very good post-Riggo running backs that have been durable. I think a guy like Torain could be every bit as good as some of those guys, but he needs blockers. I think the injury bug is related to the offensive line. I would argue our backs are getting hurt at least in part because they are trying to do too much in front of a line that is doing too little.

And, having said all of that, I believe Shanahan's injury report is a greater work of fiction than anything I have ever read by Isaac Asimov, Arthur C. Clarke or congress. For all we know, we might see CP, RT and CS all healthy and playing on Monday night.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 12, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Exactly Greg...even my main man Horace Grant. Ho Grant crashed the boards, brought that blue collar type of attitude to the Bulls and Magic, plus had a top of the key jumper that was like money in the bank...

Beep, LeBron is so arrogant that he has NO idea he's alienating people more than ever with that commercial. Love that Cleveland did that answer to the commercial using clips of his own sh*t. Almost like getting b*tchslapped with your own hand...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 12, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

"The Redskins appear to be a hollow team, with plenty of shiny bells and whistles on the perimeter, but without either playmakers or depth in the trenches."

LOL

Whoever said these stat posts are a waste of time are ignoring gems like this.

Posted by: Pepper5 | November 12, 2010 9:10 AM
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They ARE a waste of time. That "gem" - as you put it - was not a conclusion drawn from any of his stats. It's a subjective statement from a guy who is supposed to be using objective statistics to support his argument. I agree with the conclusion he draws, but he doesn't show enough of why his data supports that conclusion. For instance, maybe all of the NFL defensive linemen in 3-4 defenses have low WPA's. I would predict they do. In which case, his WPA is not a good tool to evaluate defensive linemen or compare them to other players on defense, and yet, somehow the conclusion is made that the defensive line is the problem.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 12, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Statistical analysis: Which Redskins poster annoys you the most?


I'd say Poopy_McPoop has a solid .98 annoyance rating.


Posted by: Devo2 | November 12, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Wow...did anyone else see this?

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Clinton-Portis-wears-Phillies-hat-four-days-befo?urn=nfl-284674

Not a big deal to me, but you'd think CP would know better...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 12, 2010 7:23 AM

Not a big deal to me either. So the man color coordinates when choosing what to wear.

Now if he was wearing baby caca green with an Eagle symbol, different story.

Posted by: smokeybear2 | November 12, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Moe's asking "We are about to go into a Monday Nite game after a BYE...with no true running back and invisible receivers outside of Moss/Cooley" I guess he forgot about a guy named Ryan Torain, who's averaging 4.4 yards/carry. And a guy named Tony Armstrong, who's leading the NFL in yards/catch at 21.6 per. And when Terrence Austin gets called up and Shanny jettisons one of the vets that aren't producing (either Roydell or Galloway), we'll get even younger and ultimately better.

I ain't saying our cup runneth over with offense, far from it, but the cupboard ain't as bare as Chicken Little is saying. Get some coffee Moe, you're better than that.

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | November 12, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Statistical analysis: Which Redskins poster annoys you the most?


I'd say Poopy_McPoop has a solid .98 annoyance rating.


Posted by: Devo2 | November 12, 2010 9:24 AM

Bet you wouldn't say that to his face...he, or she, would eat you up and poop you out.

Is Reid technically a poster? If so, my choice is him.

Posted by: smokeybear2 | November 12, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Brownwood...I agree with your brand of realistic optimism and, you're right, fans like us are hyper-aware of our team's weaknesses.

I'm guessing you'll like this picture of Serena.

http://sports.yahoo.com/tennis/blog/busted_racquet/post/Picture-Serena-Williams-provocative-workout-ou?urn=ten-284202

You're welcome.

Posted by: MColeman51 | November 12, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

No mention of Rak as a defensive stud...hmmm. Seven sacks has to be a good for the old WPA wouldn't you say? I think the more reps AH gets on the Dline, the more of an impact the Dline will have on the out come of games. No doubt the the team needs a couple of more players to step up on the defense..namely AC and Moore, but I think the defense is well on its way.

Posted by: TWISI | November 12, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Statistical analysis: Which Redskins poster annoys you the most?

Posted by: Devo2 | November 12, 2010 9:24 AM

No question...it's hessone...although his sock puppet will tell you that it is monk811 and PlayAction.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 12, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Holy Santa Claus sh*t MColeman...what the hell was she thinking with that?

Highlights that amazing ass though...taggin' that rump doggystyle must be incredible...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 12, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Coleman - thx!

For some reason my mind replaced Serena w/ Selena - - it still works..

Remember Venus' controversy?

huhuhuh.

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 12, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse


Holy Santa Claus sh*t MColeman...what the hell was she thinking with that?

Highlights that amazing ass though...taggin' that rump doggystyle must be incredible...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 12, 2010 9:47 AM |

hey brown, are you a bubble butt kind of guy ?

Posted by: hessone | November 12, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

No mention of Rak as a defensive stud...hmmm. Seven sacks has to be a good for the old WPA wouldn't you say? I think the more reps AH gets on the Dline, the more of an impact the Dline will have on the out come of games. No doubt the the team needs a couple of more players to step up on the defense..namely AC and Moore, but I think the defense is well on its way.

Posted by: TWISI | November 12, 2010 9:44 AM
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I'd like to see Haslett move Orakpo around a little bit more in the second half of the season. It's clear that offensive coordinators are planning around him, trying to add blockers to his side, so might as well take advantage of that. A few weeks back I heard that Lorenzo Alexander was getting some reps inside. I'd be curious to see a few plays with Zo inside and Chris Wilson outside. McIntosh and Fletcher are great in space, but I think Zo is better at shedding blockers, which you need on an inside pass rush.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 12, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

hey brown, are you a bubble butt kind of guy ?

Posted by: hessone | November 12, 2010 9:51 AM


Yes. Yes I am.

My dream in life is to somehow find my face and/or man parts sandwiched between Serena's round mound and Kim Kardashian's voluptuous backyard. I would probably kill myself immediately thereafter because there's literally NO way anything better could ever happen to me.

So yeah...I like big butts and I cannot lie.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 12, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

brown, yes I do read your stuff and no one was as bad as I was in regards to the "snyder" post. funny how some folks told me to forget it and move on yet, they keep bringing it up.

Posted by: hessone | November 12, 2010 9:11 AM

funny? Hess, it took about a year before you listened to people. You were truculent and obnoxious. Now you expect it to disappear? You did the crime, now serve the time.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 12, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

What cracks me up about the WPA is that the assignment of responsibility is completely arbitrary.

I mean, sure it SEEMS that the run back for the touchdown could be the reason we won, but maybe it was the hidden hold that kept the QB from getting pancaked...

Stats sure bother the SJK outta me. Especially in foobaw.

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 12, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse


I'd like to see Haslett move Orakpo around a little bit more in the second half of the season. It's clear that offensive coordinators are planning around him, trying to add blockers to his side, so might as well take advantage of that. A few weeks back I heard that Lorenzo Alexander was getting some reps inside. I'd be curious to see a few plays with Zo inside and Chris Wilson outside. McIntosh and Fletcher are great in space, but I think Zo is better at shedding blockers, which you need on an inside pass rush.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 12, 2010 9:56 AM |

good thinking on the orakpo move. keep moving him and AH to disrupt other teams game plans

Posted by: hessone | November 12, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse


Holy Santa Claus sh*t MColeman...what the hell was she thinking with that?

Highlights that amazing ass though...taggin' that rump doggystyle must be incredible...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 12, 2010 9:47 AM |

hey brown, are you a bubble butt kind of guy ?

Posted by: hessone | November 12, 2010 9:51 AM
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I think Brown's scope is a little bigger than just "bubble-butt" girls. He's more of an eighteen-to-eighty, blind, cripped, crazy, can't-walk-drag-them kind of guy.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 12, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Truculent?! you sure you're posting on the right blog?

I think Deadspin is waiting to fit you for a hoopster jersey.

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 12, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Moe's asking "We are about to go into a Monday Nite game after a BYE

A lot of mileage of that post.

Thing is, we need someone to 'step up' the second half of the season on offense.

Fred Davis is my candidate.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 12, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse


funny? Hess, it took about a year before you listened to people. You were truculent and obnoxious. Now you expect it to disappear? You did the crime, now serve the time.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 12, 2010 10:00 AM |

there you have it folks, RI policeman, judge, and jury. Folks, I give you, beep-beep, the only RI poster with a clean record

Posted by: hessone | November 12, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse


beeps peeps

Posted by: hessone | November 12, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Vonnie Holliday leads the group with a 0.63 +WPA -- meaning his positive impact plays have totaled 63 percent of a single win. Holliday also put a hit on Lions quarterback Matthew Stafford with 4 minutes to play, forcing a critical incompletion on third down.

By Brian Burke | November 12, 2010; 6:05 AM ET

His nice play in a LOSS adds to his WPA? Ok. Got it.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 12, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

LOL Dik...I was just about to tell Beep that he's undoubtedly the first person in the illustrious history of this blog to use the word "truculent"...I mean, unless we're counting the time Emmitt Smith tried to say "truck stick"...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 12, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Coleman - thx!

For some reason my mind replaced Serena w/ Selena - - it still works..

Remember Venus' controversy?

huhuhuh.


Posted by: DikShuttle | November 12, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

No,thank you!!!

What a way to start a friday!!!!

Posted by: jumbo5383 | November 12, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins are a team with a few young core players to build with and perhaps 30 players that could easily be replaced with other average NFLers and see no drop off.

Orakpo, Landry, Hall, Trent Williams, Cooley, Banks.

Then you add in veterans like Fletcher, Haynesworth and Moss.

That's what the team has to build on - not counting for now on the free agent McNabb.

Not a lot compared to other teams in the NFL is it?

The OL other than Trent Williams is a complete wash.

The DL outside of Haynesworth and perhaps Adam Carriker is a wash as well.

You can't win with only 3 out of 8 Line slots performing at a solid level.

Posted by: RoyHobbs4 | November 12, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins are a team with a few young core players to build with and perhaps 30 players that could easily be replaced with other average NFLers and see no drop off.

Orakpo, Landry, Hall, Trent Williams, Cooley, Banks.

Then you add in veterans like Fletcher, Haynesworth and Moss.

That's what the team has to build on - not counting for now on the free agent McNabb.

Not a lot compared to other teams in the NFL is it?

The OL other than Trent Williams is a complete wash.

The DL outside of Haynesworth and perhaps Adam Carriker is a wash as well.

You can't win with only 3 out of 8 Line slots performing at a solid level.

Posted by: RoyHobbs4 | November 12, 2010 10:40 AM |
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rak-- legit!!!

landry-- finally playing his "natural" postion... legit!!!

hall-- not very good just getting throw at a lot bc stone hands is doing an excellent job covering #1's this year... look at the film...

t. williams-- beast... will only get better...

cooley-- legit...

banks-- difference maker on teams but nothing much else... definitely a legit returner...

fletcher-- legit...

fat albert-- jury is still out... still just a paycheck player...

moss-- extremely steady and consistent...

j. brown-- very good, playing out of position and hurt... you don't make the pro bowl 2 out of 4 yrs not being any good... he's hurt this year...

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | November 12, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

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