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Statistical analysis: Which offensive players are helping the Redskins the most?

By Brian Burke
Statistical analysis

At just past the halfway point in the season, it's a good opportunity to take a look at which Redskins are helping and hurting their team the most. I'll look at offensive players in terms of their total season Win Probability Added (WPA), which is a direct measure of their contribution to their team's fortunes.

For those who are unfamiliar with WPA, here is a quick primer: Consider a team down by 7 in the second quarter. The offense is driving but faces a 3rd and 7 from the opponent's 30. This would equate to about a 35 percent chance of winning. If a running back takes a handoff and runs for a touchdown, tying the score, this would put his team's chances at 47 percent. (It's not quite 50 percent, because now they have to kick off.) Overall, that touchdown play was worth +12 percentage points, or +0.12 WPA in stat-speak. If instead of a running play, it was a passing touchdown, I credit both the passer and receiver the full +0.12.

Donovan McNabb started the season playing well and making plays, but he has slipped below the league average. Quarterback play has been a net drag on the team to the tune of -0.38 WPA. Rex Grossman's game-ending, sack-fumble-touchdown play alone was worth -0.25. McNabb, across the ups and down of the season, has net -0.13 WPA. Not all of this is McNabb's fault. He's been sacked 22 times for 155 yards.

How has Ryan Torain compared to Clinton Portis this season? Torain has averaged 4.3 yards per carry, while Portis averaged 4.0. Unfortunately, Torain has not performed well when it counted most, netting -0.33 WPA, or about -0.6 WPA per game, which includes running and passing performance. I realize these numbers can be quite abstract, so one way to think of -0.06 WPA per game is that Torain's performance would make an otherwise perfectly average 50/50 team into a 44/56 below-average team. Portis managed to perform slightly better in the clutch, netting a total +0.04 WPA. This doesn't mean one player is better than the other; it only means one has happened to play better in past high-leverage situations.

The undisputed MVP of the offense so far has been Chris Cooley. His 404 yards on 61 targets have net a total of +0.49 WPA. Santana Moss's 604 yards on 73 targets is impressive and nets +0.29 WPA for the wide receiver, but Cooley's plays came when the Redskins needed them most. Fred Davis has made an impact with a +0.30 WPA, but the bulk of that came from a single play, his 62-yard reception against the Texans.

The Redskins have the playmakers they need at the skill positions, but the story really starts and ends with the offensive line. The line has simply allowed opposing front-sevens to make too many plays. As I mentioned last week, the offensive line is second worst in the league, costing the Redskins a total of -1.2 WPA, or -0.15 WPA per game.

So what does all this WPA mumbo-jumbo mean? It means that all the recent focus on McNabb and the drama surrounding his benching against the Lions is meaningless. Changing quarterbacks is like rearranging deck chairs while the iceberg that is the offensive line continues to gash its way through the 2010 Redskins' hull.

Here is a breakdown of all sorts of advanced stats for the Redskins' offense.


Brian Burke is a former Navy pilot who has given up his F/A-18 for the less dangerous hobby of football analysis. He is the creator of Advanced NFL Stats, a Web site about football, statistics and game theory.

By Brian Burke  | November 10, 2010; 6:05 AM ET
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Comments

How can anyone make a subject as inherently fascinating as statistics sound as dismal as economics? The Candy Man can. Go, Willie Wonka.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 10, 2010 6:21 AM | Report abuse

Portis is at it again with the wow is me hate speak. Every time he opens his mouth amounts to a -0.25 DPA[Dimwit Probability Added].

Posted by: iubiquity | November 10, 2010 6:28 AM | Report abuse

Sinorice Moss...Can he make us better?

Posted by: fat_back | November 10, 2010 6:09 AM


No. He's a smaller and worse version of his brother. And that's not even taking into account that he's hurt all the time.

So the more operative question becomes "is he better than Galloway and/or Williams?" To which I say, "maybe".

Can't hurt to kick his tires, but I wouldn't bank on him being anything more than a depth player...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 10, 2010 6:29 AM | Report abuse

Portis is at it again with the WOE IS ME hate speak. Every time he opens his mouth amounts to a -0.25 DPA[Dimwit Probability Added].

Posted by: iubiquity | November 10, 2010 6:30 AM | Report abuse

Redskins.com says Billy Ray Cyrus is singing the national anthem and performing at halftime. Smells like a loss to me...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 10, 2010 6:31 AM | Report abuse

Redskins.com says Billy Ray Cyrus is singing the national anthem and performing at halftime. Smells like a loss to me...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 10, 2010 6:31 AM

Of course it's a loss. But, the real question is....for which team? Billy Ray is gonna put a hex on the Eagles.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 10, 2010 7:06 AM | Report abuse

Sinorice Moss...Can he make us better?

Posted by: fat_back | November 10, 2010 6:09 AM

Five years in the league. Two starts. 39 receptions for 421 yards. 5'8".

Let's run those numbers through the statistical analysis: WPA=0. Nope, he can't make us better.

But the good news is that he can't make us worse.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 10, 2010 7:15 AM | Report abuse

Redskins.com says Billy Ray Cyrus is singing the national anthem and performing at halftime. Smells like a loss to me...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 10, 2010 6:31 AM

Of course it's a loss. But, the real question is....for which team? Billy Ray is gonna put a hex on the Eagles.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 10, 2010 7:06 AM |

if the skins lose on monday nite I'll have an achy breaky heart

if the skins win I'll probably be asleep and miss it

Posted by: hessone | November 10, 2010 7:15 AM | Report abuse

Beep, just sayin'...when the Skins roll out the celebs it usually doesn't end well. Seems like every time Tom Cruise's punk ass shows up it ends badly...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 10, 2010 7:17 AM | Report abuse

The undisputed MVP of the offense so far has been Chris Cooley.

And the unanswered MVP question is, whatever happened to the 'two-tight end' passing attack that was all the talk this past summer?

Oh, I remember: the decision was to make a pass catching tight end (Davis) a blocking tight end in the same way our running back is a better blocker than runner (whenever he's healthy, that is.).

Let Logan Paulsen/Mike Sellars pass block.

Let Fred Davis become more of an option on passing plays.

And let the analysis begin there.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 10, 2010 7:24 AM | Report abuse


Beep, just sayin'...when the Skins roll out the celebs it usually doesn't end well. Seems like every time Tom Cruise's punk ass shows up it ends badly...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 10, 2010 7:17 AM |

one of the issues I have with the nfl is that somewhere along the line someone got the briliant idea that football was entertainment(more cash revenue), but to me it's a game, not entertainment. the SB turns me off with all the hoopla.

oh well, if the skins get back to the SB it'll turn me on, that's for sure

Posted by: hessone | November 10, 2010 7:28 AM | Report abuse


The undisputed MVP of the offense so far has been Chris Cooley.


And the unanswered MVP question is, whatever happened to the 'two-tight end' passing attack that was all the talk this past summer?

Oh, I remember: the decision was to make a pass catching tight end (Davis) a blocking tight end in the same way our running back is a better blocker than runner (whenever he's healthy, that is.).

Let Logan Paulsen/Mike Sellars pass block.

Let Fred Davis become more of an option on passing plays.

And let the analysis begin there.
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draft class of 2008, what else needs to be said ?

oh, vinny cerrato.

there, done with the analysis.

Posted by: hessone | November 10, 2010 7:37 AM | Report abuse

...when the Skins roll out the celebs it usually doesn't end well.


Select the celebrity you'd just druther not see on the sidelines or in a skybox at a redskin game:

---Jack Nicholson

---Spike Lee

---Flava Flav

---Marc Cuban

---the president (he's a bears fan)

---A Rod

--Carmen Electra

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 10, 2010 7:40 AM | Report abuse

How can anyone make a subject as inherently fascinating as statistics sound as dismal as economics? The Candy Man can. Go, Willie Wonka.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 10, 2010 6:21 AM
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It's comedy, beeps. How else can you describe a person who asks you to believe his own statistical device "WPA" is a valid measurement and then dismisses its output with comments like "Fred Davis has made an impact with a +0.30 WPA, but the bulk of that came from a single play, his 62-yard reception against the Texans." According to his WPA, Fred Davis is slightly higher than Santana Moss. Please.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 10, 2010 7:41 AM | Report abuse

Hess, EVERY sports league is a business now, not just the NFL. That's just the nature of sports today...the 80s are over....

With statements like "The undisputed MVP of the offense so far has been Chris Cooley", this Burke clown continues to prove his worthlessness...UFB...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 10, 2010 7:42 AM | Report abuse


How can anyone make a subject as inherently fascinating as statistics sound as dismal as economics? The Candy Man can. Go, Willie Wonka.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 10, 2010 6:21 AM
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It's comedy, beeps. How else can you describe a person who asks you to believe his own statistical device "WPA" is a valid measurement and then dismisses its output with comments like "Fred Davis has made an impact with a +0.30 WPA, but the bulk of that came from a single play, his 62-yard reception against the Texans." According to his WPA, Fred Davis is slightly higher than Santana Moss. Please.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 10, 2010 7:41 AM |

the toe bones connected to the foot bone, the foot bones connected to the ....

Posted by: hessone | November 10, 2010 7:45 AM | Report abuse

Moe, if I see Flava Flav anywhere near FedEx Field, I'd forfeit the game. No need in risking injury to players when the outcome is already decided...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 10, 2010 7:50 AM | Report abuse


Hess, EVERY sports league is a business now, not just the NFL. That's just the nature of sports today...the 80s are over....

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 10, 2010 7:42 AM |

gotcha, doesn't mean it's appealing. I wish we could get that 80's redskin team back playing again. just yackin'....

Posted by: hessone | November 10, 2010 7:52 AM | Report abuse

How can anyone make a subject as inherently fascinating as statistics sound as dismal as economics? The Candy Man can. Go, Willie Wonka.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 10, 2010 6:21 AM
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It's comedy, beeps. How else can you describe a person who asks you to believe his own statistical device "WPA" is a valid measurement and then dismisses its output with comments like "Fred Davis has made an impact with a +0.30 WPA, but the bulk of that came from a single play, his 62-yard reception against the Texans." According to his WPA, Fred Davis is slightly higher than Santana Moss. Please.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 10, 2010 7:41 AM |

the toe bones connected to the foot bone, the foot bones connected to the ....

Posted by: hessone | November 10, 2010 7:45 AM
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Yeah, if a butterfly flaps his wing at the precise moment in Africa, a hurricane will develop in the Carribean and the Redskins will win by 14 on Monday. Something like that, right?

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 10, 2010 7:55 AM | Report abuse

if I see Flava Flav anywhere near FedEx Field, I'd forfeit the game.

Flava Flav: Yeah, booooy!

My clock says it's Redskin Time!

RI Nation: Your clock may say Redskin Time.

But from the way it looks, your face is saying Crack Time.

Abd from what we see, for you, that's all the time.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 10, 2010 8:03 AM | Report abuse

WASHINGTON -- Donovan McNabb said it's "hilarious" to think that he doesn't know the Washington Redskins' offensive play book. Or that he has trouble calling plays in the huddle.

"That is hilarious to me. That is really funny to me," McNabb said Tuesday during his weekly appearance on ESPN980. "For everyone who may not have heard any of this, it's probably a shock to them."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81bfcd06/article/mcnabb-speculation-he-doesnt-know-skins-offense-hilarious?module=HP_headlines

McNabb may be smart enough to grasp this offense, but I question is intelligence in keeping this controversy stirred up. As long as he is playing he has time to redeem himself through his efforts on the field, but if he makes Shanahan angry enough to where he benches him, then he goes into the offseason as a QB with a lousy bit of tape and no contract.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 10, 2010 8:06 AM | Report abuse

moe, 7:24, cosign....hopefully the bye week has allowed them to go back and look at just how pitiful this offense has been playing, and hopefully there are some adjustments made...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 10, 2010 8:10 AM | Report abuse

Hey, at least he admits its mumbo-jumbo.. lol.

Nice post, tho!

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 10, 2010 8:11 AM | Report abuse

but if he makes Shanahan angry enough to where he benches him

if shanny is benching guys based on emotion, and personal feelings, then he needs to be fired for putting himself before the team....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 10, 2010 8:12 AM | Report abuse

The NERDs first post or two...I kinda got it...but now I'm giving up on him...can he just let us know if we're going to win monday night or not? And what the score will be?

Posted by: PlayAction | November 10, 2010 8:16 AM | Report abuse

then he needs to be fired for putting himself before the team....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 10, 2010 8:12 AM

Now you're firing guys based on emotion.

Look, get with the program. It's 2010. We don't fire guys for getting angry anymore. We send them to off-season anger management training. Cork's gonna be going this year.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 10, 2010 8:17 AM | Report abuse

beantown

....hopefully the bye week has allowed them to go back and look at just how pitiful this offense has been playing, and hopefully there are some adjustments made...


Most NFL teams come out of BYES playing much better.

They self-scout and make adjustments.

The o-line should play better.

The defense should improve it's play as well.

The singular variable is how D McNabb comes out of two weeks where his ability has been directly and indirectly questioned.

The Eagles will come to town with a confident team that just beat the almighty Colts.

And you just have to hope D Mac shows himself ready to show us the 'elite' quarterback some believe him to be.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 10, 2010 8:19 AM | Report abuse


fred davis, 2010

REC 9
YDS 133
AVG 14.8
LNG 62
TD 0
CAN'T BLOCK

folks, if you average FD86 yardage over 8 games, that's a whopping 16.63 YDS per game. he's dropped some important passes also. I see FD86 going in the same direction as DT11, out the door, and MK12 is riding shotgun


Posted by: hessone | November 10, 2010 8:19 AM | Report abuse

if shanny is benching guys based on emotion, and personal feelings, then he needs to be fired for putting himself before the team....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 10, 2010 8:12 AM


Or, if you're listening to Feinstein, because he's a closet racist...

I REALLY hope we come out and play well against Philly so we can bury this bullsh*t once and for all...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 10, 2010 8:22 AM | Report abuse

NNNNNEEEEERRRRRRDDDDD!!!!!!!!

But at least this Post held my attention, for a couple minutes anyway!

Posted by: monk811 | November 10, 2010 8:22 AM | Report abuse

brownwood26 = sweaty Ken doll crotch

I know AND read all son....


Flava Flav = fly face with dirty cornrows when magnified 100x

Posted by: RedDMV | November 10, 2010 8:23 AM | Report abuse

beep, did you read what I wrote?? If shanny is benching guys based on his personal feelings, then is that not a text book case of him putting himself before the team?? Its still the Washington Redskins right...not the Washington Mike Shanahans...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 10, 2010 8:24 AM | Report abuse

if I see Flava Flav anywhere near FedEx Field, I'd forfeit the game.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 10, 2010 8:03 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, you saw what Hamma did to Atlanta!!!

Posted by: monk811 | November 10, 2010 8:27 AM | Report abuse

beep, did you read what I wrote??

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 10, 2010 8:24 AM

No. Did you write something? Welcome back! Where you been?

Posted by: beep-beep | November 10, 2010 8:30 AM | Report abuse


brownwood26 = sweaty Ken doll crotch

I know AND read all son....
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cosign, it's the 80's, all sports are a
business = no sh!t
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Flava Flav = fly face with dirty cornrows when magnified 100x

Posted by: RedDMV | November 10, 2010 8:23 AM |

good one red, and you don't have to magnify the freakin clock


Posted by: hessone | November 10, 2010 8:30 AM | Report abuse

The only WPA I know of is FDR's Works Progress Administration.

What is this guy talking about, the Redskins offensive line?

Yes it's a work in progress (or regress --I guess we'll find out Monday).

I think we have all figured out the game hinges on O-line play.

Posted by: Pepper5 | November 10, 2010 8:30 AM | Report abuse

brownwood

I REALLY hope we come out and play well against Philly so we can bury this bullsh*t once and for all...

I agreed, but have a different point of view.

It's getting into the part of the season where having an 'elite' quarterback is very important.

I'd say given his name and reputation, Donovan McNabb has got to show us what he has left in the tank.

A 5-3/4-4 finish will end the talk.

Anything worse than that will only make it grow louder.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 10, 2010 8:32 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, you saw what Hamma did to Atlanta!!!

Posted by: monk811 | November 10, 2010 8:27 AM |

Ahhhh those were the days...NOT!

Posted by: PlayAction | November 10, 2010 8:33 AM | Report abuse

Its still the Washington Redskins right...not the Washington Mike Shanahans...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 10, 2010 8:24 AM | Report abuse

Thanks, now the stupid Indian groups trying to get our name changed will push for that! How about the Washington Midgets, in honor of our fearless owner!

Posted by: monk811 | November 10, 2010 8:33 AM | Report abuse

moe, no-one happier that Jeet won a Gold Glove than his agent...that just bumped the price up a few million per year...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 10, 2010 8:36 AM | Report abuse


beep, did you read what I wrote?? If shanny is benching guys based on his personal feelings, then is that not a text book case of him putting himself before the team?? Its still the Washington Redskins right...not the Washington Mike Shanahans...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 10, 2010 8:24 AM |

bean, besides your apparent hardon for shanahan, what on earth makes you think he's benching players because of his personal feelings ? jeesh

Posted by: hessone | November 10, 2010 8:40 AM | Report abuse

Thanks, now the stupid Indian groups trying to get our name changed will push for that! How about the Washington Midgets, in honor of our fearless owner!

Posted by: monk811 | November 10, 2010 8:33 AM

Midgets will have a prob with that too...how about Washington Shorties. On second thought nevermind...no one cares what midgets think.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 10, 2010 8:40 AM | Report abuse

Red,

A) I have no idea what a sweaty Ken doll crotch is...especially since plastic dolls lack the ability to sweat.

2) I don't get why you're coming at me like I insulted you or something.

C) Flav is disgusting and proves the notion that women will go after ANY man so long as he has money.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 10, 2010 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Thanks, now the stupid Indian groups trying to get our name changed will push for that! How about the Washington Midgets, in honor of our fearless owner!

Posted by: monk811 | November 10, 2010 8:33 AM

Midgets will have a prob with that too...how about Washington Shorties. On second thought nevermind...no one cares what midgets think.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 10, 2010 8:40 AM | Report abuse

What's funny is the word 'midget' to them is like the N word, for some reason it's VERY offensive, but they actually like the word 'dwarf', can someone explain that to me!!! They're just 'Vertically Challenged NERDS' to me!!!

Posted by: monk811 | November 10, 2010 8:44 AM | Report abuse

hess,

rsh, wrote this, "but if he makes Shanahan angry enough to where he benches him"

I wrote, "If shanny is benching guys based on his personal feelings, then is that not a text book case of him putting himself before the team??"

do you get it can you follow along, or do you need it broken down further....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 10, 2010 8:44 AM | Report abuse


do you get it can you follow along, or do you need it broken down further....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 10, 2010 8:44 AM |

I don't understand greg, could you break it down further ?

oh, isn't baseball over with, especially on a football board ? at least the cowboy blog that I posted the other day was football related. just yackin' greg....

Posted by: hessone | November 10, 2010 8:49 AM | Report abuse

I'd say given his name and reputation, Donovan McNabb has got to show us what he has left in the tank.

A 5-3/4-4 finish will end the talk.

Anything worse than that will only make it grow louder.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 10, 2010 8:32 AM


Agreed.

Which is exactly why I want McNabb to shut everyone up.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 10, 2010 8:49 AM | Report abuse

but if he makes Shanahan angry enough to where he benches him

if shanny is benching guys based on emotion, and personal feelings, then he needs to be fired for putting himself before the team....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 10, 2010 8:12 AM
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Well, let me put it another way: if Shanahan says "...don't talk to the media about this anymore", which I am sure he did, and then McNabb talks to the media, what does Shanahan do? (sidestepping the whole emotion thing even though we all know Shanny will be like a tea kettle ready to whistle)

To use a real world example, Shanny tells all of the players "it will be really, really, really nice if you all made it here for voluntary offseason workouts" and then a player didn't do that, what does Shanny do? Again, I am ignoring the whole "Shanahan is angry" statement.

I think you can see where I am going with this. Emotion doesn't play at all into coaching decisions - and I have a nice lake in upstate New York I'd like to sell you, too.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 10, 2010 8:51 AM | Report abuse

fred davis, 2010

REC 9
YDS 133
AVG 14.8
LNG 62
TD 0
CAN'T BLOCK

folks, if you average FD86 yardage over 8 games, that's a whopping 16.63 YDS per game. he's dropped some important passes also. I see FD86 going in the same direction as DT11, out the door, and MK12 is riding shotgun


Posted by: hessone | November 10, 2010 8:19 AM
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can't block but is the kins 3rd best receiver on the roster... can you say play him more as an h-back and move him around the formation...

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | November 10, 2010 8:52 AM | Report abuse

beantown

no-one happier that Jeet won a Gold Glove than his agent...that just bumped the price up a few million per year...

Jeter's contract:

3 years, 25-28 million per

Mariano Rivera's contract:

2 years, 30 million per

That's all they'll get.

And they do deserve it.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 10, 2010 8:53 AM | Report abuse


fred davis, 2010

REC 9
YDS 133
AVG 14.8
LNG 62
TD 0
CAN'T BLOCK

folks, if you average FD86 yardage over 8 games, that's a whopping 16.63 YDS per game. he's dropped some important passes also. I see FD86 going in the same direction as DT11, out the door, and MK12 is riding shotgun


Posted by: hessone | November 10, 2010 8:19 AM
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can't block but is the kins 3rd best receiver on the roster... can you say play him more as an h-back and move him around the formation...

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | November 10, 2010 8:52 AM |
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play him more as an h-back and move him around the formation...

Posted by: hessone | November 10, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse

just yackin' greg....

Posted by: hessone | November 10, 2010 8:49 AM

Ok...I know got "diddle" wrong yesterday...thinking it meant to pee...but I'm pretty sure yackin means throwing up, hurling, puking...right? Are you sick today hess?

ps...baseball sucks!

Posted by: PlayAction | November 10, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse

yikes moe, thats a boatload of scratch for those 2 guys.....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 10, 2010 8:58 AM | Report abuse

I'd say given his name and reputation, Donovan McNabb has got to show us what he has left in the tank.

A 5-3/4-4 finish will end the talk.

Anything worse than that will only make it grow louder.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 10, 2010 8:32 AM

Agreed.

Which is exactly why I want McNabb to shut everyone up.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 10, 2010 8:49 AM
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I wish he would shut everyone up with his play and not his trip around the media circuit. I like McNabb but I really don't care much for his comments in the media. Why can't he just leave it alone? Even though he has said nothing wrong, he knows how his words can be twisted in the media. If he keeps talking, they're going to make this thing into a feud with Shanahan and that can only end badly.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 10, 2010 8:59 AM | Report abuse

How about the Washington Midgets, in honor of our fearless owner!

Posted by: monk811

Midgets will have a prob with that too...how about Washington Shorties. On second thought nevermind...no one cares what midgets think.

Posted by: PlayAction

They prefer to be called dwarfs you insensitive bastards!


4th Floor's great-grand pappy.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 10, 2010 8:59 AM | Report abuse

How about the Washington Midgets?


Angry Midget: How come no one is upset that our culture is diminished?

RI Nation: No one cares about midget culture as there's little interest in it.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 10, 2010 9:00 AM | Report abuse

What's funny is the word 'midget' to them is like the N word, for some reason it's VERY offensive, but they actually like the word 'dwarf', can someone explain that to me!!! They're just 'Vertically Challenged NERDS' to me!!!

Posted by: monk811 | November 10, 2010 8:44 AM

No idea what they wanna be called...I think little people...but that to me sounds bad. Midget sounds good...like a scientific word for them...dwarf sounds like something from fantasy land. Christ idk...Go skins!

Posted by: PlayAction | November 10, 2010 9:02 AM | Report abuse


Red,

A) I have no idea what a sweaty Ken doll crotch is...especially since plastic dolls lack the ability to sweat.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 10, 2010 8:43 AM |
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ken's getting up there in age

I hear this christmas that they're coming out with a ken doll that comes with a vial of v!agra and ken can still get a hardon.

they're also marketing a nurse barbie doll that can take care of ken if he experiences an erection that last longer than 4 hours.

Posted by: hessone | November 10, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

redskinhead

Why can't he just leave it alone?


Excuse me, but aren't the media types asking him the questions?

So if he doesn't answer them, what, he's said to be evading questions about his play and relationship with his head coach?

He can't win for losing.

And you've left out the delicate issue of the goofy way the Shanahans explained why he was benched in the 1st place.

That alone will make reporters ask the same question in muliple ways.

The fault is with why and how he was benched, not his answering reporters questions about why it happened.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 10, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

I think this guy delivered my paper this morning.

Posted by: Personal_Fowl | November 10, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

brown, just nothing but jokes man. Relax.


If you're insulted by someone calling you a sweaty male doll crotch and it's made of plastic, then shouldn't that tell you that it jokes? You're right, plastic crotches don't even have pores therefor they can not sweat. All dolls are made of plastic unless its a Cabbage Patch doll, but even those don't have pores.

You've read worse when I'm insulting someone. I thought you'd know the difference by now. My b if you were offended though.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 10, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

My sister had a plastic doll that could pee. Why couldn't one sweat? That'd be a heck of a marketing point to sell, tho...

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 10, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

My sister had a plastic doll that could pee. Why couldn't one sweat? That'd be a heck of a marketing point to sell, tho...

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 10, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

What happened to the Offense we saw against the Titans ?

Posted by: ThrowItToMyTeam | November 10, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse


You've read worse when I'm insulting someone. I thought you'd know the difference by now. My b if you were offended though.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 10, 2010 9:06 AM |

maybe brown has a plastic crotch and is offended

Posted by: hessone | November 10, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse

the team we play next week?? that offense has yet to be unveiled...unless you've finally fixed the time machine....hard to find good flux capacitor parts these days...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 10, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

I see FD86 going in the same direction as DT11, out the door, and MK12 is riding shotgun


Posted by: hessone | November 10, 2010 8:19 AM

I can't see Davis being released. He's under utilized in the passing game, but he's been on the field contributing both on offense and on teams. I'd be interested to know how many times he's been targeted.

Posted by: TWISI | November 10, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Sweaty, pissing, crapping dolls...what has this world come too? I would be offended if I were Ken.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 10, 2010 9:16 AM | Report abuse

I wish he would shut everyone up with his play and not his trip around the media circuit. I like McNabb but I really don't care much for his comments in the media. Why can't he just leave it alone? Even though he has said nothing wrong, he knows how his words can be twisted in the media. If he keeps talking, they're going to make this thing into a feud with Shanahan and that can only end badly.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 10, 2010 8:59 AM


To be fair, he's in a no-win situation...if he talks, they make it into a big deal. If he doesn't talk, it looks bad...probably making the rift between Shanahan and McNabb look worse. I think he's playing it just way he has to--answer whatever he's asked in the most professional and direct way possible. It's not like HE'S the one bringing this stuff up, you know...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 10, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse


hey bean, I thought you were going to break it down for me since I don't understand ?

if shanahan made his decisions about handling AH based on his emotions, I'd say shanahan is emotional stable and makes his decisions based on what's best for the TEAM and not what's best for himself

Posted by: hessone | November 10, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

You've read worse when I'm insulting someone. I thought you'd know the difference by now. My b if you were offended though.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 10, 2010 9:06 AM


Not offended at all...just trying to see where you were coming from.

Speaking of which...can't wait to see which Redskins team shows up Monday night. I literally have NO idea what to expect from this team anymore...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 10, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

"Changing quarterbacks is like rearranging deck chairs while the iceberg that is the offensive line continues to gash its way through the 2010 Redskins' hull."

well said...

Posted by: retroskins14 | November 10, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

The flux capacitor is for crap if you can't generate the 1.21 gigawatts to get it going.


Plutonium? A bolt of lightening? A locomotive push?


Favorite BTTF character: Four way tie between Griff Tannen, 1985 nerdy George McFly, 2015 Biff Tannen, and alternate 1985 Biff Tannen.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 10, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

To be fair, he's in a no-win situation...if he talks, they make it into a big deal. If he doesn't talk, it looks bad...probably making the rift between Shanahan and McNabb look worse. I think he's playing it just way he has to--answer whatever he's asked in the most professional and direct way possible. It's not like HE'S the one bringing this stuff up, you know...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 10, 2010 9:17 AM
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Washington is a town that understands the value of "no comment". MNabb needs to learn.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 10, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Well, I don't know how Burke's conclusion could be any more straightforward: changing QBs won't improve the team's chances to win, while upgrading the o-line's performance will.

That doesn't mean McNabb hasn't been shooting himself in foot with unnecessary sacks, or launching gopher balls at key opportunities. Just means that correcting those flaws won't substantively increase the Skins' won-loss record in the second half.

Better blocking will.

Back when Ben Muth was doing his analyses of the Washington blockers, he referred repeatedly to the turnover in that line, particularly the injury-related stuff. Muth maintained the Skins were actually overperforming given the hit-or-miss makeup of the unit. I think that's probably true. Maybe we convinced ourselves that drafting Williams and trading for Jammal were the solution. Obviously, that's only partial.

Posted by: Samson151 | November 10, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Forgot about Mr. Fusion...

Posted by: RedDMV | November 10, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

How about the Washington Midgets?


Angry Midget: How come no one is upset that our culture is diminished?

RI Nation: No one cares about midget culture as there's little interest in it.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 10, 2010 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Snyder: I'd like to make a SHORT statement about my vertically challenged friends, the midgets!!! You of such SMALL intellect can make fun of our SHORT stature, but you cannot hold us DOWN!!! Because of the popularity of my new fan club, Snyder's Shorties, I am making FedEx field more 'Midget Accessable'. We will be removing certain 'regular sized' seats and replacing them with TINIER seats, and for our luxury suits we will be putting in HIGH Chairs, and finally we will be LOWERING the urinals in the bathrooms. Thank you for your cooperation, implementing all of these changes is a TALL task, so please be patient. Thank you!

Posted by: monk811 | November 10, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Re: Fred Davis

This one is just a head-scratcher. I still don't get how Zorn could run plays that make Fred Davis look like a Pro Bowler, while Genius Jr. has him blocking on extra points.

I know that with Cooley in there, Davis's opportunities are limited, but you'd think with the shaky Oline and the lack of bonafide pass-catchers; Genius Jr. would be able to come up with a way to utilize Fred in a quick passing game scheme.

In Houston, they used alot of Joel Dressen, Kevin walter and Owen Daniels in a short-medium passing game while gashing teams deep with Andre Johnson.

I don;t understand why it is that in the short-medium passing game here, it's basically devolved into Cooley and/or a periodic swing pass to Mike Sellers/Keliand Williams...and that's it.

Posted by: p1funk | November 10, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

"Changing quarterbacks is like rearranging deck chairs while the iceberg that is the offensive line continues to gash its way through the 2010 Redskins' hull."

well said...

Posted by: retroskins14 | November 10, 2010 9:26 AM

Well said? Yeah, if we're looking for the Cliche King, then this would be a finalist. I'll bet, though, that he'd like to have that one back. He he needs to develop a motor that won't quit. I'd like to see him give 110 percent all the time.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 10, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse


Speaking of which...can't wait to see which Redskins team shows up Monday night. I literally have NO idea what to expect from this team anymore...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 10, 2010 9:26 AM |

if I may paraphrase brownwood, it's more like, I literally have NO idea what to expect from the NFL anymore...

I mean, the browns have been playing decent football and I never would had thought that coming into the season.

Posted by: hessone | November 10, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

"Changing quarterbacks is like rearranging deck chairs while the iceberg that is the offensive line continues to gash its way through the 2010 Redskins' hull."

well said...

Posted by: retroskins14 | November 10, 2010 9:26 AM
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Catchy statement but not really accurate. If the offensive line is leaky as a sieve, then it would make much more sense to have McNabb back there who can scramble and get away from defenders. If you put an immobile Grossman back there he could get hit, fumble and the other team could run it back for a touchdown... oh, wait a minute... deja vu!

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 10, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

p1, cosign...well stated...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 10, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Note to Brian Burke:

Put down your calculator and watch games with your eyes.

Ryan Torain is helping this team more than Clinton Portis.

Posted by: p1funk | November 10, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse


I don;t understand why it is that in the short-medium passing game here, it's basically devolved into Cooley and/or a periodic swing pass to Mike Sellers/Keliand Williams...and that's it.

Posted by: p1funk | November 10, 2010 9:35 AM |

p1, you have to get open and when the ball is thrown to you, you have to catch it

Posted by: hessone | November 10, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Washington is a town that understands the value of "no comment". MNabb needs to learn.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 10, 2010 9:32 AM

But does anyone on RI understand the value of "no comment?"

Posted by: beep-beep | November 10, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

The Redskins have the playmakers they need at the skill positions, but the story really starts and ends with the offensive line.

Sorry, Burke just lost all credibility with this statement.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | November 10, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

There is no QB controversy in Washington, nor will there be a QB change. Even though these are adults, they still must be treated like babies. When your kid keeps messing something up, don't you ground them and take something away for a change of behavior? McNabb is the teenager that didn't study for his test and got an F, which means his car was taken away from him. He'll eventually get more and more responsibility added to him, but he has to EARN it!

Posted by: monk811 | November 10, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Wow...just saw Oakland give their season the kiss of death by doing a Zorn-esque "hip hip hooray" routine after the Chiefs win last week...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 10, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Yes, we have major problems with the line, but we are far from set at the skill positions IMO.

Posted by: WaitingGuilty | November 10, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: p1funk | November 10, 2010 9:35 AM |
p1, you have to get open and when the ball is thrown to you, you have to catch it

Posted by: hessone | November 10, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse


Getting open and catching the ball is all predicated on your coach putting you in for plays.

Posted by: p1funk | November 10, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Getting open and catching the ball is all predicated on your coach putting you in for plays.

Posted by: p1funk | November 10, 2010 9:48 AM

And when you've dropped as many as Fred Davis has dropped you give someone else a chance.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 10, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Ryan Torain is helping this team more than Clinton Portis.

Posted by: p1funk | November 10, 2010 9:39 AM

Well not according to his WPA!

Torain playing reduces the teams chances of winning...wtf...I'm benching the NERD...our RI WPA just went up 1.4!

Posted by: PlayAction | November 10, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Wow...just saw Oakland give their season the kiss of death by doing a Zorn-esque "hip hip hooray" routine after the Chiefs win last week...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 10, 2010 9:45 AM

Jason and Rock had to be cringing and wondering if they were in a Hitchcock movie.

Posted by: MColeman51 | November 10, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

...can't wait to see which Redskins team shows up Monday night.


Well, remember the last game with the iggles:

Torain ran well

The defense bent but didn't break

A Hail Mary pass almost cost us the game

Vick got hurt

McCoy did well underneath and with screen passes

Andy Reid flubbed clock control

We're gonna have to put points up to win this one.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 10, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Oh no, not the "... rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic" idiom again.


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"Changing quarterbacks is like leading a charge in a 2 mile open field with 15,000 men while the iceberg that is the Union artillery continues to gash its way through the Confederate infantry columns."

"Changing quarterbacks is like a Somali pirate going through a list of demands while the iceberg that is the sniper continues to make sight adjustments."

"Changing quarterbacks is like a STD ravaged Wahore refusing to go down on her man in fear of catching something from him while the iceberg that is gonorrhea continues to gash its way through her snatch."

Posted by: RedDMV | November 10, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

when people talk about FDavis and his drops, are you specifically talking about the 2 two point conversions that he didn't catch?? Because if you are, you need to go back and watch them again....both of those are on #5...

I swear some of you act like Cooley and Moss never drop anything, never fumble...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 10, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Oh no, not the "... rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic" idiom again.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 10, 2010 9:57 AM

Woo-hoo, Red. That's how it's done. You just want it more. You really pinned your ears back on that one. You're better than your record indicates.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 10, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

And when you've dropped as many as Fred Davis has dropped you give someone else a chance.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 10, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse


Is someone else getting a chance?

All I see is Cooley out there.

Posted by: p1funk | November 10, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Jason and Rock had to be cringing and wondering if they were in a Hitchcock movie.

Posted by: MColeman51 | November 10, 2010 9:52 AM


LOL...no doubt.

Just curious...how did the blog shift from Titanic deck chairs to STD hookers? I'm lost...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 10, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

This is what was so baffling to me about the benching. The O line has been horrible, so switching QB's doesn't make any sense, because the performance won't be any better from the QB position. What's frustrating is that Lickenstick continues to be out there getting dominated and Rabach too. I hope this bye week has given Shanny some time to make some adjustments or atleast bring up someone like Cook for a look.

Posted by: ga8085 | November 10, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Bench McNabb, trade 2011 1st, 2nd and 3rd round pick for Campbell.

Posted by: abxinc | November 10, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

on Sunday, the pats had a rookie TE fumble at the 2 yrd line right before halftime, as well as be involved in another fumble on a kickoff as well as dropping passes in the game, yet they STILL were passing to him later on in the game....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 10, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

draft class of 2008, what else needs to be said ?

oh, vinny cerrato.

there, done with the analysis.

Posted by: hessone | November 10, 2010 7:37 AM

Like 2010 is special.....

Tell me....what offensive lineman outside of the 1st round is on this team? If Vinny was still here, he would have drafted a tackle as well with the #4 pick....

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 10, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

I think in order to win this game against the bEagles we have to stick to running the ball. Load the Torain, stick in James Davis, and if healthy give CP26 some carries. If I am not mistaken the last game CP26 played was vs. the bEagles, and we should all agree that was a differnt Portis playing. The guy was making some incredible cuts, and showed burst. He was playing soo hard, he hurt himself.

I think our key is to keep our RB's fresh, but at the same time riding the guy thats hot. Our ground game should be good this week, as our O linemen crushed the bEagles small D linemen last game. Once we get the ground game going, roll Mc5 out and have him to take advantage of an injured secondary.

As for defense. I think we should take away the pass and allow Vick to run. I don't care about him running, cause he will do it anyway. We have hard hitters on defense, and if he runs every play it will affect his throwing. They are going to take the ball up and down the field with him running, but we have to limit the points. No big plays and limit the TD's. If they score FG's, its still better than 7 points.

Also, we have to do something about Shady McCoy, becuase he had a day on us last game. They have so much speed guys on offense, its hard to pick a guy. Shut down the Wr's like last game. And we should be fine. Kemo had his best game against Detroit, imo. He looks to be getting more healthy, so if he is stuffing the middle of the line we should be fine.

Posted by: roccoskins | November 10, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

when people talk about FDavis and his drops, are you specifically talking about the 2 two point conversions that he didn't catch?? Because if you are, you need to go back and watch them again....both of those are on #5...

I swear some of you act like Cooley and Moss never drop anything, never fumble...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 10, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse


Thos conversions looked like off-the-mark fastballs to me. Tough to catch for anyone unless it's put right in the bread-basket (which they were not).

The point is that Davis has shown us that if he gets the reps and the PT, he will produce - even in an offense as drab and anemic as the one Zorn designed.

Putting him in for 3-4 plays a game won't cut it - few players are going to be able to find a game rhythm with so few reps.

Posted by: p1funk | November 10, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

End of thread.

Beep.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 10, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

I give Haslett credit for finding a way to get Haynesworth back in the game and being productive.

I blame the Shanahans for not finding a way to get Fred Davis in the game when nonproductive players like Galloway and Williams are constantly on the field. They need to be more creative than that.

Posted by: Alan4 | November 10, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

when people talk about FDavis and his drops, are you specifically talking about the 2 two point conversions that he didn't catch?? Because if you are, you need to go back and watch them again....both of those are on #5...

I swear some of you act like Cooley and Moss never drop anything, never fumble...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 10, 2010 10:00 AM

Co-sign!

Posted by: Alan4 | November 10, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse


I swear some of you act like Cooley and Moss never drop anything, never fumble...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 10, 2010 10:00 AM |

I agree greg, they do drop passes and they also fumble at important junctures of the game, but we're talking about FD86 and the cerrato draft class of 2008. why do you cling to these non-productive players ? oh, no need to explain, I forgot, it's all the coaches fault, gotcha

Posted by: hessone | November 10, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

You people are wieners. You probably never walked on a football field...to say nothing of the fact your lives are incredibly empty when tearing down sports writers gives you three quarters of a chubby. Seek help...seek what bothers you about you not what a beat columnist in a newspaper says on his blog.

Redskins!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: lavararrington | November 10, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

I can't believe that we have such an awful O-line, given our team's glorious history with the Hogs.

Posted by: supattapone | November 10, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

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