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Posted at 6:00 AM ET, 11/22/2010

Stephon Heyer and the changing of the guard

By Jason Reid

Addressing reporters in front of his dressing stall, tackle Stephon Heyer stopped mid-sentence when someone tapped him on his arm from behind.

Coach Mike Shanahan smiled, shook Heyer's hand and said, "I'm proud of you."

The praise from Washington's top football official was well deserved after Heyer, pressed into emergency duty at guard, performed well Sunday in the Redskins' 19-16 overtime victory against the Tennessee Titans at LP Field.

With starting right guard Artis Hicks inactive because of a thigh injury and backup guard Derrick Dockery (knee) knocked out of the game in the second quarter, Heyer was among many backups who delivered to help the Redskins even their record at 5-5. The experienced four-year veteran has started three games this season at tackle and 31 in his career, but Heyer has not played guard at any level of football.

Essentially the Redskins' fourth-string player at the position, Heyer "did a great job," rookie left tackle Trent Williams said. "I'm so proud of Steph. That might be his future, guard. He'd be the tallest starting guard in history."

Heyer isn't interested in a position change. He just did what was needed.

"It was just necessity," he said. "There was nobody left, so I just had to do what I had to do. I can't really say what the difference is and what I did differently.

"I just went out there and did it. There was nothing special about what was going on. Like I said, it was a necessity thing. There was nobody left. Nobody cares there was nobody left - we just had to get it done."

Heyer excelled while accepting a challenge.

"Hell, nah, that's not easy," Williams said. "He did something very special. When I saw him running in, I was just praying they [the coaching staff] didn't tell me to go to guard. I ain't gonna lie, I was nervous. But, Steph, man, he did a great job."

By Jason Reid  | November 22, 2010; 6:00 AM ET
Categories:  Offensive line, Stephon Heyer  
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Comments

With all the backups playing better than the regulars the coaches must be asking each other a lot of questions this morning. Heyer may get a few more reps at guard. Raybach, take your time recovering. You're old, and recovery times are longer.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 22, 2010 6:26 AM | Report abuse

hats off to the makeshift o-line, I thought that was the o-lines best game and mcnabbs best game also.

oh well, CP26 came in and did his thing, which is to get injured (re-injured). RB's with groin injuries can take along time to heal though.

wow, VY10 lost his starting job and his mind, throwing equipment at fans. goes to show every team has their own drama

Posted by: hessone | November 22, 2010 6:38 AM | Report abuse

beep,

I think the line next week will be TW at LT, Lick at LG, Montgomery C, RG will be tricky it depends on who's healthy, JB at RT.

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 22, 2010 6:39 AM | Report abuse

Heyer may get a few more reps at guard...

Posted by: beep-beep | November 22, 2010 6:26 AM


I've always wondered if he'd be better off at guard than he is at tackle. Looks like we may actually get an answer to that question in the next couple of weeks...

Before we get excited about the line play, I should also point out that we were playing a Titans team that's pretty light on the D-line. I don't think they have a single 300 pounder on their line, plus they lost one of their starters (Haye) during the game. I think we were fortunate to have a good matchup that day.

Next week's matchup will be much less forgiving...one of the LAST teams you wanna see when your O-line is nicked is the Vike's front 4 of Allen, Edwards and the Williams Wall...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 22, 2010 6:44 AM | Report abuse

brown,

Tenn. is tied for 1st in the league in sacks, so they are a very good defense. The line played great but your right Minn. will be a totally different challenge.

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 22, 2010 6:52 AM | Report abuse

Well they better suck it up and get ready cause thats who's coming to town.

Posted by: westjr88 | November 22, 2010 7:04 AM | Report abuse

Flound, I didn't mean to slight the TN defense...they're definitely good. They get a ton of sacks because they have those smaller, quicker lineman that translates well in the pass rush. However, those smaller lineman can be a bit more susceptible to the run. It's not necessarily a bad thing considering the division they play in...it's exactly what they need since they see the Colts and Texans a total of 4 times in a year.

I was most impressed yesterday by the coaches FINALLY using some of the plays that would help mask some of our O-line deficiencies...tons of screen plays and full use of the TEs. Makes you wonder why we couldn't emphasize more of those plays earlier. Greg should come on here later with a HUGE grin on his face...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 22, 2010 7:04 AM | Report abuse

Portis was looking good until reaggravating his groin. I think its time to go younger there.

Posted by: westjr88 | November 22, 2010 7:07 AM | Report abuse

Greg should come on here later with a HUGE grin on his face...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 22, 2010 7:04 AM

The Red Sox won the series? We're getting DT11 back from Carolina? PFT picked up one of his posts and ran with it?

Posted by: beep-beep | November 22, 2010 7:11 AM | Report abuse

Game plan against Minnesota should be to stack the line to stop AP, press the WR's and watch Brett throw Picks. On Offense I'd like to see more screens, slants and bunch or cluster formations.

Posted by: FedorEm | November 22, 2010 7:11 AM | Report abuse


Greg should come on here later with a HUGE grin on his face...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 22, 2010 7:04 AM

The Red Sox won the series? We're getting DT11 back from Carolina? PFT picked up one of his posts and ran with it?

Posted by: beep-beep | November 22, 2010 7:11 AM |

the celtics beat somebody

Posted by: hessone | November 22, 2010 7:14 AM | Report abuse

Expect a lot of guys coming in for workouts this week.

Chad Simpson to IR James Davis to active roster.

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 22, 2010 7:16 AM | Report abuse

Beep, the only thing Greg whines about more than the "why is Galloway still here and DT is gone?" thing is the underuse of Fred Davis and the playcalling. Both were very good yesterday so he should be here guns blazing...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 22, 2010 7:21 AM | Report abuse

Chad Simpson to IR James Davis to active roster.

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 22, 2010 7:16 AM


Agreed...I'm still trying to figure out why they won't activate this kid when we literally only have ONE healthy RB.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 22, 2010 7:26 AM | Report abuse

Game plan against Minnesota should be to stack the line to stop AP


Given the poor state of their offense, Petersen could rush for 150+ and the vikes would still not score.

The Favre Experience has come to an ugly end.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 22, 2010 7:26 AM | Report abuse

Jeff Fisher: Titans QB Vince Young has lost his job


Talk about a crybaby quarterback class, the Draft of 2006:

Matt Leinhart

Jay Cutler

Vince Young


These guys are so soft they make a thug out of Popeye's friend Wimpy.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 22, 2010 7:36 AM | Report abuse

5 Thoughts from John Keim at the Examiner:

1. Gutsy win. In the years I’ve covered the Redskins (which dates to 1994 and makes me $()*#$ years old), I can’t remember a more gutsy win. There have been some that are close and the most emotional was after Sean Taylor’s funeral. But this time the Redskins were coming off one of the ugliest losses in franchise history. Wasn’t worried about how they’d respond because there’s a lot of character guys in the locker room. But they were playing on the road … without half of their secondary … and with the starting right guard out. Then they lost their center and backup guard and their running back. No way they win this game. Honestly, I’m still not sure how the line did what it did. I’d see guys getting shoved back, yet never beat. I did see the Titans trying to blitz, yet rarely fooling the front. Did see some decent stunt pickups. The first series of the game summed up the day. The Redskins’ defense was faced with a short field and the Titans gashed them for 14 yards on first down, but Lorenzo Alexander forced a fumble; Washington recovered and the Titans lost a great opportunity.

2. The Redskins handled Chris Johnson – and he had great numbers. This is a bit silly to say Washington’s defense was good against a guy who averaged 6.2 yards per carry. But 78 of his yards came on four runs and none of them came on scoring drives; on his other 17 runs he gained 52 yards. He was good, but only in spurts and they made sure he didn’t beat them. They limited his ability to be more explosive by having the outside linebackers get upfield and pinch the ends. For the most part they did a good job with this; they got in trouble when Andre Carter would get moved too wide or when Brian Orakpo got suckered on the little wrap-around handoff, leaving a wide gap outside. The line was good about not getting shoved back too often; it happened, but not with regularity. The Redskins also used their 3-4 base front as much as they probably have all season (even in some situations where they would have gone to nickel in the past). Not sure that’s true, but it looked that way. Makes sense; if they went to a nickel look in certain situations, it could have resulted in bigger runs for Johnson as this defense does not play the run as well. It helped that Titans TE Craig Stevens, a good run blocker, was missing.

more...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 22, 2010 7:36 AM | Report abuse

continued...

3. The Redskins did just enough on the ground. Bet Tennessee never thought it would need to use eight in the box to stop some kid named Keiland Williams running behind a makeshift line. But that’s what the Titans had to do in the fourth quarter and overtime at times. Williams only gained 68 yards on 23 carries, with a long of 14. But he was effective and it helped keep Tennessee off-balance. And the Titans had to honor the play-action. It also enabled Kyle Shanahan to stick with his game plan, which was excellent. Shanahan, perhaps because he’s faced the Titans a few times, seemed to know when – and where – the blitzes were coming. So, for example, when the Titans would blitz from a side; the Redskins would hit them with a screen to that area for a good run. They worked the edges quite hard with success. Also, the pass to Chris Cooley in overtime for 26 yards is similar to the long play that Fred Davis caught vs. Philly, just run the other way. It was a terrific time for the play as the Titans were left scrambling and only a good individual effort prevented a much longer gain. But it was a perfect time and by running the reverse of what they ran last week, it fooled the Titans.


4. Who knew these guys could play? Individually, it wasn’t like the Redskins interior linemen were mauling guys. I saw Stephon Heyer get beat; I saw Will Montgomery get pushed back and I saw Kory Lichtensteiger get buried one time. But I also saw him play a good game. And I saw a group that seemed to work in unison; that’s what line play is about. Slide protections helped and the blitz pickups were excellent (with a couple exceptions when rushers weren’t blocked). Again, good play calling helped too. The Titans worked hard to expose the interior, playing their linemen tight inside and trying to blitz the A gaps. But it rarely worked. Heck, once the ‘Steiger picked up two guys himself. Who knew, huh? Montgomery is better suited at center and if nothing else battled hard; though he would get pushed back he was able to limit the rush. Heyer has been a favorite target, but the guy has never played guard in the NFL and he was capable today. Individually I’m not sure they were impressive. Collectively they were. And they gave Donovan McNabb reason to trust them. That was a nice change. I also question how the heck Tennessee got so many sacks early in the season. Can’t say I was all that impressed with their defense, but that’s not to take any credit away from this line. They survived.

more...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 22, 2010 7:38 AM | Report abuse

Favre should have ridden off into the sunset last year. Just another example of hanging around too long.

Posted by: westjr88 | November 22, 2010 7:39 AM | Report abuse

continued...

5. McNabb responded like a leader. The QB played in the pocket as if he really trusted the line and played relaxed, like nothing was going to bother him. Really, nothing did because though he was sacked three times (thanks in part to his linemen stepping on his feet) he was never rattled. Start of the fourth quarter; pressure bore down on him, but McNabb stayed calm and hit Cooley for 15 yards on third and six. McNabb could stay poised in that spot in part because he’d been protected all game; other games he might have felt that pressure more and thrown fading back or off to a side. This time, he stayed in the middle of the storm.

That’s why McNabb completed 60 percent of his passes – and had a couple dropped. The difference in the game is that the Redskins lost many players, but not the quarterback; the Titans lost two guys, but one was the quarterback. Made a huge difference in the outcome. Also, you want to know why coaches like McNabb? Did you see how Vince Young handled his situation after the game? He stormed out of the locker room and now he’s probably done. Imagine what would have happened had McNabb reacted poorly after the Detroit fiasco? McNabb led a late field goal drive in regulation that, had Graham Gano not been kicking into a stiff wind, might have won the game. Again, the game plan helped him because the Redskins ran a lot of quick routes so McNabb wasn’t going downfield too often. Yet they moved the chains and when he realized the Titans couldn’t cover Cooley, he hit him over and over again (all seven catches in the fourth quarter and overtime). McNabb missed on a couple throws and was intercepted. But he also was given time to throw, so we didn’t see the wild swing in mechanics – the drifting passes – that we had seen of late. Today, McNabb made others around him better. That’s the difference between he and Jason Campbell. Oh, by the way, I loved using Brandon Banks as a receiver. The safety actually made a good break on the ball, but Banks’ ability to get to his spot so fast prevented anything bad from happening. Also, McNabb does a good job throwing to short receivers; sounds odd, but he does a good job keeping the ball low. Sometimes it works to his advantage.

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/nfl/2010/11/five-thoughts-redskins-19-titans-16#ixzz160x90t00

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 22, 2010 7:40 AM | Report abuse

Given the poor state of their offense, Petersen could rush for 150+ and the vikes would still not score.

The Favre Experience has come to an ugly end.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 22, 2010 7:26 AM

Exactly...I'd guess that AP gets his on Sunday but Favre throws at least 3 picks to cost them the game. As great as he was last year, he's been twice as bad this year...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 22, 2010 7:44 AM | Report abuse

great win. loved the line. bet some of those guys supplant the "starters".

so...did i see marion barber get tackled by his hair and a penalty called on the tackler? what's up w/that?!?! i thought that was legal.

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | November 22, 2010 7:50 AM | Report abuse

Finally get to go against a QB that isn't mobile. Rak should add to his sack total next week.

Posted by: westjr88 | November 22, 2010 7:53 AM | Report abuse

Favre should have ridden off into the sunset last year. Just another example of hanging around too long.

We need our on-crack team of historians to do a lil research.


What are B Favre's career numbers against the Redskins?


Yes, Superman #4 has been handlin' way too much Kryptonite recently.

The gray hair, the Jenn Sterger scandal, the INTs, the wack Wrangler Jeans' commercials, and ineffectiveness at his position have given more than just Percy Harvin migraine's.

Favre has come back to Earth, no matter how much sports media folks hold him up in clouds where he no longer belongs.

But, if he turns into his old self this weekend, woe is us.

Dude still has arm strenght, even though, like a lot of us at 40, the aim isn't what it used to be.

He can and will put on a show.

Not that I want to see one.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 22, 2010 7:55 AM | Report abuse

Yes you did walter and it was a terrible call

Posted by: westjr88 | November 22, 2010 7:56 AM | Report abuse


so...did i see marion barber get tackled by his hair and a penalty called on the tackler? what's up w/that?!?! i thought that was legal.

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | November 22, 2010 7:50 AM |

didn't see it. did they call the penalty a horse collar ? you should have to stick your hair in your helmet or suffer the consequences

Posted by: hessone | November 22, 2010 8:01 AM | Report abuse

Moe....I don't know what all his stats are against the Skins, but I know he whipped our arse on Monday Night back when we were doing the Tony Banks/Jeff George shuffle....ugh.

Posted by: westjr88 | November 22, 2010 8:01 AM | Report abuse

McNabb responded like a leader. The QB played in the pocket as if he really trusted the line and played relaxed, like nothing was going to bother him.


Let's put it in honest terms:

The Titans game was the Donovan McNabb's best as a redskin quarterback.

His play WAS worthy of the extension he signed.

Dude played like he wanted to prove something to his detractors, haters, bloggas, and doubters.

He got production without the fine skill position players he left behind in Philly.

It took him half a season, but it looks like our quarterback may have finally arrived.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 22, 2010 8:04 AM | Report abuse

I to like Heyers play at G. He may not like to hear it but his skill set is better suited to blocking on the inside against less athletic guys.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 22, 2010 8:06 AM | Report abuse

didn't see it. did they call the penalty a horse collar ? you should have to stick your hair in your helmet or suffer the consequences

Posted by: hessone | November 22, 2010 8:01 AM | Report abuse

They did call a horse collar. Was watching during commercial break in Skins game.
He didn't pull on it as hard as I wanted him too!

Posted by: westjr88 | November 22, 2010 8:06 AM | Report abuse

brown, haha, yeah, playcalling, use of the TE's had me smiling yesterday...see FDavis breaking what 4-5 tackles on his first catch...guy needs the ball more often..so VYoung threw his career, and his shoulder pads into the stands...guy knows how to quit on his teammates thats for sure...

good win/ugly win, seemed to me getting rabach equalled less pressure up the gut...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 22, 2010 8:19 AM | Report abuse

The Red Sox won the series? We're getting DT11 back from Carolina? PFT picked up one of his posts and ran with it?

Posted by: beep-beep | November 22, 2010 7:11 AM | Report abuse

You are gonna stop being a nosy little prick who tries to run the post???

Posted by: monk811 | November 22, 2010 8:19 AM | Report abuse

It took him half a season, but it looks like our quarterback may have finally arrived.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 22, 2010 8:04 AM


Which is why I've been screaming at the top of my lungs up here to quit talking in such certain terms when only half a season has been played. It's a 16 game season, folks...which is good news for us and bad news for the Giants...

By the way, I'd rank the Texans game as McNabb's best...although I wouldn't necessarily disagree with this game being a better performance given the circumstances.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 22, 2010 8:21 AM | Report abuse

Glad to see Shanny started taking some o fmy game-planning advice -

running more screens

getting Fred Davis involved as another short-intermediate pas-catching threat which helped open things up for Cooley

Posted by: p1funk | November 22, 2010 8:22 AM | Report abuse

Let's put it in honest terms:

The Titans game was the Donovan McNabb's best as a redskin quarterback.

His play WAS worthy of the extension he signed.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 22, 2010 8:04 AM | Report abuse

And how did the 'Old Soup' do???? Yeah, that's right, he BLEW CHUNKS!!!! hahahaha

Posted by: monk811 | November 22, 2010 8:25 AM | Report abuse

Was anyone surprised that CP26 lasted 6 touches before getting busted up again???

Not me.

Posted by: p1funk | November 22, 2010 8:25 AM | Report abuse

does anyone else think the titans' logo looks like a flaming thumbtack? cracks me up every time i see that silly logo.

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | November 22, 2010 8:25 AM | Report abuse

so...did i see marion barber get tackled by his hair and a penalty called on the tackler? what's up w/that?!?! i thought that was legal.

Posted by: walter-in-fallschurch | November 22, 2010 7:50 AM |

It is legal, the ref that threw the flag must have thought with the way that he went down that the defender got the back of the pads/jersey.

'Renegade refs' that take the game in their own hands and make up rules and penalties have no place in this league.....wait a minute, why does that sound familiar???

Posted by: monk811 | November 22, 2010 8:28 AM | Report abuse

Thought so Greg...and I joined the "free Fred Davis" bandwagon when I saw the play where he plowed thru what felt like the entire Titans defense. I was scared sh*tless he was gonna fumble on that play (how many times have we seen that in recent Redskins history?) but when he held on it was certainly one of the more impressive plays he's had to date. That dude just wanted it more...

VY is done as a starter in this league. Unless he has a Vick-style awakening in another city...and given his maturity issues, I wouldn't bet on it.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 22, 2010 8:30 AM | Report abuse

worst move yesterday:

RSeymour getting kicked out of the game, then punching Ben in the chops

OR

VYoung quitting on his team AGAIN, and throwing his career and shoulder pads into the stands

I'm going with VYoung, Seymour has 3 rings, and is on the back 9 of his career...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 22, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse


You are gonna stop being a nosy little prick who tries to run the post???


Posted by: monk811 | November 22, 2010 8:19 AM |

second that one all the way to the bank

beep-beep = prick-prick

YOU WILL RESPOND BEEP, UNDERSTOOD, NOW RESPOND

Posted by: hessone | November 22, 2010 8:32 AM | Report abuse

VY is done as a starter in this league. Unless he has a Vick-style awakening in another city...and given his maturity issues, I wouldn't bet on it.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 22, 2010 8:30 AM | Report abuse

I don't know about "done" a Buffalo or some other QB less team would take a shot with him.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 22, 2010 8:33 AM | Report abuse

The Kryptonite was in his pants.


... that's what she said... in crocs.


..Hey, are we sure it wasn't CL?

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 22, 2010 8:33 AM | Report abuse

brownwood

Which is why I've been screaming at the top of my lungs up here to quit talking in such certain terms when only half a season has been played.


Bro', an observation isn't a ringing endorsement.

I'd still trade McNabb as I'd like to see the redskin team building for the next 5 years with a younger guy, plain and simple.

Yes: McNabb played well yesterday.

But so did Josh Freeman, Sam Bradford, Colt McCoy, Mark Sanchez, Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, Mike Vick: all young guys who'll only get better as D Mac gets older.

And I don't get investing so much time and money in old guys when there are plenty of younger choices/players to be had.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 22, 2010 8:34 AM | Report abuse

I don't know about "done" a Buffalo or some other QB less team would take a shot with him.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 22, 2010 8:33 AM |

Buffalo's QB hasn't looked so bad this year and he looked great yeterday, but Young will get a shot with another team.

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 22, 2010 8:34 AM | Report abuse

VYoung quitting on his team AGAIN, and throwing his career and shoulder pads into the stands

I'm going with VYoung, Seymour has 3 rings, and is on the back 9 of his career...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 22, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse

Any takers on the over/under on the hour that he gets cut today?? I'm taking noon, it'll be an interesting lunch!!!

Posted by: monk811 | November 22, 2010 8:35 AM | Report abuse

Was anyone surprised that CP26 lasted 6 touches before getting busted up again???

Not me.

Posted by: p1funk | November 22, 2010 8:25 AM


Nope...I was actually more surprised that the offense looked so much better with him in the lineup. Hope that's just coincidence or we're gonna be in trouble down the stretch...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 22, 2010 8:36 AM | Report abuse


Yes: McNabb played well yesterday.

But so did Josh Freeman, Sam Bradford, Colt McCoy, Mark Sanchez, Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, Mike Vick: all young guys who'll only get better as D Mac gets older.

And I don't get investing so much time and money in old guys when there are plenty of younger choices/players to be had.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 22, 2010 8:34 AM |

bravo moe. getting younger all the time is in order here

Posted by: hessone | November 22, 2010 8:39 AM | Report abuse

Loved the win. One of the greatest things Shanahan has done in Washington is instill a kind of grit that has been absent since Gibbs left. Yes, they laid an egg against Philly, but just coming back and playing well after that fiasco says something. Kudos to Shanny. He deserves the game ball.

As to Danny Smith, run him out of town. Punting was less than average, returns were nothing special, and Gano missed two.

As to Clinton Portis, I say if he's going to be out more than one game he is done with the season. He looked great yesterday, but man, he has eaten up a roster spot for several weeks and then all we get is half a game??? IR, here we come.

Ditto Chad Simpson except the "playing well" part. He hasn't played at all. IR, IR, IR.

They need to activate James Davis and start looking for another running back for the practice squad.

Is it just me, or is Keiland Williams looking better and better every week? Hats off to Keiland, but hats off also to running backs coach Bobby Turner. That guy knows how to develop running backs...

Posted by: RedSkinHead | November 22, 2010 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Buffalo's QB hasn't looked so bad this year and he looked great yeterday, but Young will get a shot with another team.

Posted by: Flounder21 | November 22, 2010 8:34 AM | Report abuse

I realized that as I was typing, but I use them as a stand in for free agent bottom feeder team

Until this season the last time they had a above average QB was Drew Bledso.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 22, 2010 8:47 AM | Report abuse

I would love to see CP stay in DC just long enough to get over that 10,000 yard mark for his career. But if he can't do it this year, he will do it in another city, if at all.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 22, 2010 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Was reading game recaps on ESPN and this was how they described the Steelers-Raiders game:


"the Steelers never flinched. They shrugged off a club-record 163 yards in penalties, chased a bewildered quarterback Jason Campbell from the game"


Couldn't help but chuckle..."bewildered" pretty much described JC's whole career here...

Posted by: p1funk | November 22, 2010 8:52 AM | Report abuse

worst move yesterday:

RSeymour getting kicked out of the game, then punching Ben in the chops

OR

VYoung quitting on his team AGAIN, and throwing his career and shoulder pads into the stands

I'm going with VYoung, Seymour has 3 rings, and is on the back 9 of his career...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 22, 2010 8:31 AM


Co-sign...Seymour only did what millions of fathers with daughters (like myself) have wanted to do for two years now. Raiders weren't winning that game anyhow. VY basically chiseled "I'm a headcase who can't handle pressure" in stone and won't be able to shake that perception, no matter how much he tries.

Alex, in case you haven't noticed, Ryan Fitzpatrick is actually pretty good. Replacing him with VY would be about as horrible a decision as replacing Brad Johnson with Jeff George.

Moe, without getting into the topic again, I've ALWAYS said that I'd rather build with a young QB and commit to a more conventional rebuild. But that ship has sailed, so now that McNabb is our guy I say we ride it out with #5. The biggest problem this team has had hasn't been lacking a good plan so much as it's been changing the plan on a year-to-year basis. McNabb still has enough in the tank to help us to where we wanna go if we put the right pieces around him. Instead of preparing to pull the plug on the guy after 9 games, we should be evaluating what to do to keep him upright and productive for the next 3-5 years.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 22, 2010 8:54 AM | Report abuse

Any takers on the over/under on the hour that he gets cut today??

Select the biggest fool:

a. Vince Young

b. JaMarcus Russell


Tough choices, there.

Two big dumb guys with pockets full o' cash and heads full o' nothing.

Both have ability but lack the maturity to make it all work.

One might be an addict and the other hooked on himself--which is the same thing.


I declare a draw.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 22, 2010 8:59 AM | Report abuse

I'm liking KWill, I think this guy has starting talent in the NFL. Lets face it that CP most likely wont be on the team next year, the team needs to find another guy to go along with KWill. I'd love for it to be Torian, but, that cat's too fragile to be counted on...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 22, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Redskins Offensive line on Sunday = addition by subtraction.

F Rabach.

Posted by: Original_etrod | November 22, 2010 9:04 AM | Report abuse

You are gonna stop being a nosy little prick who tries to run the post???

Posted by: monk811 | November 22, 2010 8:19 AM |

second that one all the way to the bank

beep-beep = prick-prick

YOU WILL RESPOND BEEP, UNDERSTOOD, NOW RESPOND

Posted by: hessone | November 22, 2010 8:32 AM

Good morning my little sock puppets!

Sadly PlayAction missed his first (and hopefully last) game of the year with family commitments...wish I missed the Eagles game instead!

So I guess according to the Beantowngreg rule, beep-beep won't allow me to comment this week? Monk can't comment either since we are the same person.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 22, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

moe, gotta go with VYoung. JRuss never did anything, so he was a lost cause from the jump...Young actually did have a modicum of success, but he's such a spoiled child, he's such a quitter that when faced with the smallest amount of controversy/pressure, he does what comes natural to him, and thats to take his ball and go home, and quit....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 22, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Any takers on the over/under on the hour that he gets cut today??

Select the biggest fool:

a. Vince Young

b. JaMarcus Russell

Tough choices, there.

Two big dumb guys with pockets full o' cash and heads full o' nothing.

Both have ability but lack the maturity to make it all work.

One might be an addict and the other hooked on himself--which is the same thing.


I declare a draw.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 22, 2010 8:59 AM | Report abuse

In 2013, we'll be adding Cam Newton to this debate.

Posted by: Original_etrod | November 22, 2010 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Any takers on the over/under on the hour that he gets cut today??

Select the biggest fool:

a. Vince Young

b. JaMarcus Russell

Tough choices, there.

Two big dumb guys with pockets full o' cash and heads full o' nothing.

Both have ability but lack the maturity to make it all work.

One might be an addict and the other hooked on himself--which is the same thing.


I declare a draw.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 22, 2010 8:59 AM

Careful...Feinstein might take that post as "racial coding"...smh

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 22, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse

So I guess according to the Beantowngreg rule, beep-beep won't allow me to comment this week? Monk can't comment either since we are the same person.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 22, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, how does that work? Does prick-prick ITA both of us, or just one of us since we are the same person? By the way Play, that burrito we ate last night is not sitting well with me now, too much hot sauce!!! I think we'll be hitting the sh*tter pretty soon!

Posted by: monk811 | November 22, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

In 2013, we'll be adding Cam Newton to this debate.

I doubt this.

Newton and T Pryor will be two very interesting cases once they hit the NFL.

Each will have Russell and Young as metaphors for what can happen if you lose your head.

Newton is a grounded kid and one hell of an athlete.

He looks like a 6'5" version of Mike Vick as he has a great arm and raw foot speed.

He should stay in school next year and leave in 2012.

Pryor is the one I'm wary of.

Posted by: MistaMoe | November 22, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

brown--
Someone already said Fisher is a racist for benching Young.
Not sure when tossing your uni and pads in the stands and being a whiney biatch became acceptable in any race.

Posted by: westjr88 | November 22, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

VY will not be cut. Fisher knows that there is an arrogant coach (or more) out there that thinks he can "fix" VY and will be willing to give up a draft pick for him. Happens all the time. See Randy Moss.

Posted by: kerzon417 | November 22, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse


brown--
Someone already said Fisher is a racist for benching Young.
Not sure when tossing your uni and pads in the stands and being a whiney biatch became acceptable in any race.

Posted by: westjr88 | November 22, 2010 9:12 AM |

only the human race is capable of all the forementioned

Posted by: hessone | November 22, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Why is CP "done" and Torrain is not? Torrain's career thus far has been injury dominated. We lost a "young" RB in warm-ups. The field was a mess, and there were a host of injuries. CP set the tone for the run game yesterday. Yeah he got hurt, but so did a couple of our young running backs. CP is not done.

Posted by: SPUD2 | November 22, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Redskins Offensive line on Sunday = addition by subtraction.

F Rabach.

Posted by: Original_etrod | November 22, 2010 9:04 AM


Funny you say that...Yahoo did a "worst players in the NFL" list and we had not one, but TWO starters on our O-line on the list (Rabach and Hicks). Damn shame our backups look better than our starters in any given game...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 22, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Looks like the two 14 year olds are back to show everyone how smart they are.

Posted by: kerzon417 | November 22, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

curz, agree, VY wont get cut, but he ain't seeing the field again as a titan...fisher looked like he'd rather eat his own kidney, than give Young yet ANOTHER shot...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 22, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Watching last nights Giants-Filthydelphia Iggles game, it became apparent that an effective pass rush against the Dog Killer does work and even the play callers have figured out if the Dog Killer rolls to the right, he will run first, and if he rolls to the left, he will pass first. I hope we get a shot at these chumps in the playoffs.

The Titan game is one that I thought they'd lose, but let's face it, their quarterback was a ticking time bomb that could go off at any time - and he did. When the rookie came in, I was a bit scared - in the past we've made Rookie Quarterbacks look like Steve Young. That first pass seemed like my prophecy was going to come true, but alas, the Redskins cheated their own tendency and managed to contain the kid.

Perhaps the injuries will open the eyes to the coaches - we finally were getting both tight ends on the field, we were hitting them, using different formations, and maybe we've found our offensive linemen for the rest of the season.

I'm sad to see some guys get hurt, but if these are IR candidates, lets empty that practice squad and get more hungry players on the field. We've had a chemistry infusion and it kick started this seized offensive engine.

Well, we are one game ahead of last year and we did learn that the Redskins do have a heart. Interestingly I saw a better game plan against the Titans than we did against the Iggles even given a shorter week than usual. Hopefully we'll take on Minnesota and remove Brett Fav-ray from ever having to decide if he's going to retire or not. Let's end it Sunday.

HTTR. You traded games on me - I thought we'd beat the Iggles and lose to the Titans. Now we have a chance to go 6-5 and play the Giants for second place in the NFC East. For the playoffs, the Redskins cannot lose another game. I see 11-5 now being necessary even as a wild-card team.

Posted by: laserwizard | November 22, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Is there any case where the NFL could preform a mid season field check on Tennessee's field? It looked like they hosed the thing with oil.

The NFL should shut that dump down.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 22, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Uhhh yeahhhh Stephon.... I'm thinking maybe you should stay at guard....since you're one of the worst tackles in the league...

Posted by: Rypien11 | November 22, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Someone already said Fisher is a racist for benching Young.
Not sure when tossing your uni and pads in the stands and being a whiney biatch became acceptable in any race.

Posted by: westjr88 | November 22, 2010 9:12 AM


That's just idiotic...personally, I'm more offended by the notion that you can't criticize a black QB without fear of the race card being dealt than the actual criticism itself...as if there needs to be a different criteria for assessing a black QB opposed to a white one. Just moronic...a QB is a QB. Period.

Kerz, Titans owner Bud Adams is gonna have to make a tough decision to make in the offseason...Fisher or VY. Nashville ain't big enough for both...

Spud, let me explain it to you:

Portis--28 years old, 2230 career carries
Torain--24 years old, 106 career carries

Can't break it down any simpler than that...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 22, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

CP is not done.

Posted by: SPUD2 | November 22, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Let it go, man. Just let it go. For your own emotional health and progress in life. Move forward. I know it's tough, but you just gotta move on...

Posted by: p1funk | November 22, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

That's just idiotic...personally, I'm more offended by the notion that you can't criticize a black QB without fear of the race card being dealt than the actual criticism itself...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 22, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse


I agree. That's why I only criticize black QB's.

Posted by: Original_etrod | November 22, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

curz, agree, VY wont get cut, but he ain't seeing the field again as a titan...fisher looked like he'd rather eat his own kidney, than give Young yet ANOTHER shot...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | November 22, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse


THe true x-factor in the equation is Bud Adams - who is a fellow Texan with VY and his biggest supporter in the organization.

Bud Adams is also about as mature as VY...

Posted by: p1funk | November 22, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Brown, agreed on the tough decision that BAdams has ahead of him. Fisher never wanted VY and has knocked heads with BA enough for me to think that Fisher will be the one that is gone at the end of the year. Especially if there is no playoffs for the Titans.

VY may be doing the Keyshawn impersonation for the rest of the year.

Posted by: kerzon417 | November 22, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Is there any case where the NFL could preform a mid season field check on Tennessee's field? It looked like they hosed the thing with oil.

The NFL should shut that dump down.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 22, 2010 9:23 AM


If Heinz field hasn't been shut down, then they won't touch LP Field...

BTW Spud...Portis is 29, not 28. Just furthers my point though...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 22, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

That's just idiotic...personally, I'm more offended by the notion that you can't criticize a black QB without fear of the race card being dealt than the actual criticism itself...as if there needs to be a different criteria for assessing a black QB opposed to a white one. Just moronic...a QB is a QB. Period.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 22, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse


Funny how in all this black-QB-benching, one scenario that has seems to get lost in the mix is the on-again off-again Jason Campbell benching.

Still have yet to hear anyone call Tom Cable a racist.

Maybe everyone just universally knows deep down that Campbell deserves the bench, so race is a non-factor.

Posted by: p1funk | November 22, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Next week's matchup will be much less forgiving...one of the LAST teams you wanna see when your O-line is nicked is the Vike's front 4 of Allen, Edwards and the Williams Wall...

Posted by: brownwood26

Good post. I'm afraid Redskin guards may spend more time in Redskin back field than McNabb and Keiland. At least Monty offers more beef than Rabach.

'skins might be OK in pass game. T WIlliams is pretty good and he's got Allen and he's the most dangerous pass rusher.

Don't like the idea of getting a team the week after it was humiliated, tho. If you doubt me, ask the Titans.

Biggest lesson this week? To Shanahan, learning his Greyhound style light lines in Denver don't work in NFC East.

Posted by: TheCork | November 22, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

That's just idiotic...personally, I'm more offended by the notion that you can't criticize a black QB without fear of the race card being dealt than the actual criticism itself...as if there needs to be a different criteria for assessing a black QB opposed to a white one. Just moronic...a QB is a QB. Period.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 22, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

You shouldn't let it offend you, its best just to ignore that kind of crap. No coach would survive the NFL if they were a legit raciest, if they were it would come out in minutes. There is legit racism in this country, but I don't see it infecting our sports world much.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 22, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, what a boondoggle. Who in the NFL signed off on hosing down the field with ketchup before each game? Ridiculous... and delicious.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | November 22, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

VY will start again, but if its for the Titans it will mean Jeff Fischer is on another team or in a broadcast booth.

The Jeff Fischer is a racsist comments were jokes...so can we not overreach and head down that path....we WON!

I am in full agreement with Keim....that was one of the gutsiest performances I have seen from a Skins team in 15 years.

I love Crocs, and I don't care who knows.

Posted by: chrislarry | November 22, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

That's just idiotic...personally, I'm more offended by the notion that you can't criticize a black QB without fear of the race card being dealt than the actual criticism itself...as if there needs to be a different criteria for assessing a black QB opposed to a white one. Just moronic...a QB is a QB. Period.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 22, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

You shouldn't let it offend you, its best just to ignore that kind of crap. No coach would survive the NFL if they were a legit raciest, if they were it would come out in minutes. There is legit racism in this country, but I don't see it infecting our sports world much.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 22, 2010 9:37 AM

The comment about Fisher being racist for benching VY was made tongue in cheek by Diesel last night and it was because of the stupid racist remarks made against MS.

Just goes to prove that rumors take on a life of their own.

Posted by: kerzon417 | November 22, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Fisher never wanted VY and has knocked heads with BA enough for me to think that Fisher will be the one that is gone at the end of the year. Especially if there is no playoffs for the Titans.

Posted by: kerzon417 | November 22, 2010 9:33 AM


Agreed...plus yesterday's performance kind of took some of the luster off the legend of Jeff Fisher. Tons of crippling penalties, some questionable coaching decisions, the inability to get Moss involved, plus the VY meltdown...that's all on Fisher.

Do y'all realize the Jags are in first place in that division? Sure didn't see that coming...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 22, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

If I'm a coach, I'm going to put the best player on the field, at any position, that gives me the best chance of winning, regardless.
If you are losing and just keeping who you want out there just because of personal preferences, you wouldn't last long.
I think Fisher and the Titans have had many apples out of the Vince Young basket.
If Fisher is a racist, why does he draft Vince Young after coaching several years with McNair?

Posted by: westjr88 | November 22, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

p1 still beatin' that drum? lol.

I think they may be holdin' CPo back as late as they can.

I don't trust any injury report from this team at this point.

Clarification - I'm not saying he isn't injured, I'm saying he won't be sacrificed to the same gods of medicine Terrell Davis was until it means something.

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 22, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Looks like the two 14 year olds are back to show everyone how smart they are.

Posted by: kerzon417 | November 22, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Is this a crack at us Play???

BTW, I need a smoke break prick-prick, be back in 10!

Posted by: monk811 | November 22, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

pfunk, you gotta move on from JC...you've already brought him up twice this morning. In case you haven't noticed, he's a Raider now...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 22, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

p1 still beatin' that drum? lol.

I think they may be holdin' CPo back as late as they can.

I don't trust any injury report from this team at this point.

Clarification - I'm not saying he isn't injured, I'm saying he won't be sacrificed to the same gods of medicine Terrell Davis was until it means something.

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 22, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse


I 'lol' at the notion that I have to beat the drum.

The guy gives you 5 hard carries and needs to go to the sideline.

You'd think people would be able to see with their own eyes that he can't handle a real NFL workload anymore.

Posted by: p1funk | November 22, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse


That's just idiotic...personally, I'm more offended by the notion that you can't criticize a black QB without fear of the race card being dealt than the actual criticism itself...as if there needs to be a different criteria for assessing a black QB opposed to a white one. Just moronic...a QB is a QB. Period.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 22, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

You shouldn't let it offend you, its best just to ignore that kind of crap. No coach would survive the NFL if they were a legit raciest, if they were it would come out in minutes. There is legit racism in this country, but I don't see it infecting our sports world much.

Posted by: alex35332 | November 22, 2010 9:37 AM |

take into consideration who accused shanahan of being racist (feinstein and wise). that's enough said right there. wise is now kissing the redskins ass with his column today. what a half-brained moron

Posted by: hessone | November 22, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Oh ok....the racist comment was a joke. Understood. Sorry

Posted by: westjr88 | November 22, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

They ain't cut him & he's still their starter - so I don't know what you're saying..

Oh, yeah I do - that the entirety of the NFL is wrong about this player.

Look, I don't think he's around much longer either - but no one else is staying healthy any longer than he is and they aren't performing necessarily better, either.

I was just psyched the makeshift line was able to run block. They were really ok w/ that. Amazing what guys can do when pressed.

..the lol was that you keep saying he's done & he keeps coming back like a zombie. Awesmoe!

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 22, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Does the irony of accusations of racism on a REDSKINS blog ever get old?

Methinks not!

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 22, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse


Do y'all realize the Jags are in first place in that division? Sure didn't see that coming...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 22, 2010 9:42 AM |

brown, what you and I didn't see was the bengals falling to pieces. I'm not very good at predictions though

Posted by: hessone | November 22, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

CP's days as a feature back are at an end but I think he could be an effective third down back if he's willing to take a pay cut.

Posted by: Original_etrod | November 22, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

I wonder when was the last time Heyer had a coach tap him on the shoulder and say he was proud of him?

Probably many moons.

But good for him. He stepped into the breach and did a good job. Like many, I think his skill set might be better suited for Guard. It certainly isn't a good match at RT.

Posted by: edvar | November 22, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Looks like the two 14 year olds are back to show everyone how smart they are.

Posted by: kerzon417 | November 22, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Is this a crack at us Play???

BTW, I need a smoke break prick-prick, be back in 10!

Posted by: monk811 | November 22, 2010 9:45 AM

Who knows...must be one of beeps taint lickers...not sure what we did to this kerzon fellow. Oh well...who cares.

Skins on tv up here this week!

Posted by: PlayAction | November 22, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Beep, the only thing Greg whines about more than the "why is Galloway still here and DT is gone?" thing is the underuse of Fred Davis and the playcalling. Both were very good yesterday so he should be here guns blazing...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 22, 2010 7:21 AM

Galloway "very good" yesterday? 3 catches, 30 yards? Still saw him slow down and pull up on some catchable balls across the middle. Then he does a class-less glare at DM like it was DM's fault. He doesnt correctly run or complete his routes and should be cut. Same reason the Pats dumped.
His new name..
Joey Galligator

Posted by: onanygivensunday | November 22, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse


Who knows...must be one of beeps taint lickers...not sure what we did to this kerzon fellow. Oh well...who cares.

Skins on tv up here this week!

Posted by: PlayAction | November 22, 2010 10:02 AM |

I think he and everyone else is sick and tired of you and monks schtick, no big deal, just get lost

Posted by: hessone | November 22, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

I never thought I be praising Stephon Heyer of all people for filling up the back-up role at guard.

Shanahan better be considering this patchwork O-line for permanent work.

The Vikings season is completely derailed. The Redskins should win this.

Posted by: MyPostIDisAfake | November 22, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Those 'should wins' are always the ones that scare me... DETROIT! HOUSTON!

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 22, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

That's just idiotic...personally, I'm more offended by the notion that you can't criticize a black QB without fear of the race card being dealt than the actual criticism itself...as if there needs to be a different criteria for assessing a black QB opposed to a white one. Just moronic...a QB is a QB. Period.


I don't know, brown. Maybe that sentiment exists in your world where everyone's skin color is Roy G. Biv and people solely judge character, but 'round here between the Northern and the Western, that just doesn't exist.

Take Moe's comparison. Not saying that he was singling out QBs who are black, but he did single out two notable black QB busts in JaMarcus Russell and Vince Young. Who just so happen to be black. Again, not saying that he did it out of design, but if everyone was so color blind, why not compare Vince Young and Matt Leinart or JaMarcus Russell and J.P. Losman?


Face it: If you're black and you play QB in the National Football League, your skin color is highly scrutinized, and used as an indicator of your intelligence, ability, and leadership. Especially the intelligence. I think it's funny that it's already determined while black QBs are in college that they haven't a shot at playing QB at the NFL level, and begin to speculate on which "other skill position" they'll play.
OR if you score low on the wonderlic, don't happen to be the most mobile QB, have average arm strength, and happen to be black, you're "a project" or "untapped potential" as far the NFL is concerned. Which puts your odds at becoming a starting QB -- who's skin color is just a few shades darker than their counterparts -- at slim to none.


We look at QBs and call them "black QBs" because society in general characterizes EVERYTHING. What three topics stir the most heated debates and creates the most division amongst us?

Race/color, religion, sex/sexual preference

Until we stop characterizing everyone, the black/white aspect (along with others) will always play a part on how we view, associate, like, hate (etc.) each other.

It's just the way it is.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 22, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Does the irony of accusations of racism on a REDSKINS blog ever get old?

Methinks not!

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 22, 2010 9:58 AM


It's not ironic at all. What's ironic is that white people seem to be the only ones who almost uniformly think the term "Redskins" is racist...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 22, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse

I think he and everyone else is sick and tired of you and monks schtick, no big deal, just get lost

Posted by: hessone | November 22, 2010 10:06 AM |

Funny hess...didn't everyone tell you to get lost last week...DORK

Posted by: PlayAction | November 22, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

They ain't cut him & he's still their starter - so I don't know what you're saying..

..the lol was that you keep saying he's done & he keeps coming back like a zombie. Awesmoe!

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 22, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse


They ain't cut him b/c they gave him about $6mill this season and they're trying desperately to get a few pennies on the dollar back from their investment.

Keeps coming back!?

He lasted 6-7 touches before getting sidelined for the game - that's a comeback?

And just to be clear:

"Done" = no longer capable of carrying a primary NFL RB workload.

Shoot, at this point I'd be surprised if he could last a whole season merely as a 3rd-down back.

Posted by: p1funk | November 22, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse


looking at next weekends match-ups for the football pool, man is the nfl unpredictable.

Posted by: hessone | November 22, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse


I think he and everyone else is sick and tired of you and monks schtick, no big deal, just get lost

Posted by: hessone | November 22, 2010 10:06 AM |

Funny hess...didn't everyone tell you to get lost last week...DORK

Posted by: PlayAction | November 22, 2010 10:15 AM |

I'm lost but then I'm found.

the words dork and nerd that you two use give up your age AND iq's

Posted by: hessone | November 22, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Yeh, the fact that we were the last team to let go of Jim Crow...

... or the lawsuits..

..yeh... nothing but white folk.

And P1 - he STARTED. done.

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 22, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Here's a Public Relations nightmare for the NFL..
EAgles with Vick as starting QB and Steelers with Ben as starting QB, meet in the Super Bowl.

Posted by: onanygivensunday | November 22, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Red, if everyone just shrugged their shoulders and said "it's just the way it is" for stuff like that, then we'd still have slavery, women would still not be allowed to vote, and the Deacon Jones headslap would still be legal. You'd think a world that's seen the likes of Warren Moon and Doug Williams (at least in the Super Bowl) would have moved on from this crap by now. Apparently, it's going to take a black QB having a Peyton Manning-esque career winning multiple SBs before we're able to rid football of that stupid label...

Agree that "it's just the way it is", but that doesn't make it right...

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 22, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

the words dork and nerd that you two use give up your age AND iq's

Posted by: hessone | November 22, 2010 10:20 AM

You're right hess...and so wise...happy you found your medication over the weekend.

Posted by: PlayAction | November 22, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Go figure...


Romo reportedly at least three weeks away
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on November 22, 2010, 9:03 AM EST

A report surfaced by ESPN’s Chris Mortensen before Sunday’s action that the Cowboys remained optimistic that quarterback Tony Romo could return this season.

Owner Jerry Jones confirmed that Romo threw some passes before Dallas’ second straight win, but said x-rays on his broken clavicle weren’t necessary at this point. Jones would like to see Romo return so the team can finish the season strong.

“When I think of Tony, I think of it more as when he’s ready, that type of thing, more than I think about how well [Jon] Kitna’s played,” Jones said.

ESPNDallas.com’s Tim McMahon reports Romo will be out at least three more weeks, which means the earliest he could return is Week Fifteen against the Redskins. It doesn’t seem to make a lot of sense to play Romo this year with the Cowboys out of playoff contention (yes, they remain out of contention at 3-7), but there are a lot of things that happen in Dallas that sometimes don’t make much sense.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 22, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

OAGS,

One whips it out, and the other chokes it!

hahahahahahahahah

Posted by: DikShuttle | November 22, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

LOL Dik...that's coldblooded, dude.

Posted by: brownwood26 | November 22, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Can this win finally get the pessimists who constantly call for Shanahan's head.

Without naming names those were the same people who cried to get Zorn and Vinny out.

Our team and the roster was that bad and this staff and they way they've gotten this team to buy into the system and organization is the only that that held them together.

How would last years team have responded. Especially after a shaky start to yesterday's game.

We're still an 8-8 team, but we're an 8-8 team that has character and a willingness to play hard for one another. Which is a totally different attitude from last year.

Even if we're not dominant or a playoff caliber team, I like what I see and I'm proud to be a member of Redskin Nation.

S!!k you nay sayers.

Posted by: Devo2 | November 22, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

I think he and everyone else is sick and tired of you and monks schtick, no big deal, just get lost

Posted by: hessone | November 22, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Hmm, I'm not tired of it, are you PlayAction?

Posted by: monk811 | November 22, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Nice move by Shanahan to talk to Heyer when reporters would hear it. For a guy that's taken the grief Heyer has, it probably means a lot.

Posted by: zimbar | November 22, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

This is what we have to face this sunday, I say this is perfect timing for the Skins.
I think vikes will still be in a coma when they come to fedex.

HTTR!

http://www.twincities.com/vikings/ci_16676063?nclick_check=1

Posted by: bhoang888 | November 22, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: kerzon417 | November 22, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Hmm, I'm not tired of it, are you PlayAction?

Posted by: monk811 | November 22, 2010 10:38 AM

Not at all...I'll let everyone know when I'm tired of it...and when I'm good and ready to get lost.

I think I'll go ahead and make my lock-tight, 100% guaranteed, conrete prediction for this weeks game (which I WILL be watching) --

Redskins 24, Vikings 20

Posted by: PlayAction | November 22, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Great win, and much needed. I was not one of the pessimists Devo2 mentioned.

However, I do have to eat some crow for predicting the Giants would beat the Iggles.

Up by 1, NY had a chance to put that game away and blew it by turning the ball over at midfield. Then later on with a chance to tie, they coughed it up again.

Only Eli would run for a first down, get 7 more yards than he needed, dive head-first instead of sliding, and fumble the ball without being touched.

I hope we sweep them.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 22, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Hmm, I'm not tired of it, are you PlayAction?

Posted by: monk811 | November 22, 2010 10:38 AM

Monk and PlayAction are sock puppets. One guy posting on two screens, trying to do for RI what Click and Clack do for NPR. Nothing.

Monk/PlayAction, you ought to take this material over to Facebook so all your friends can see how witty you are. Grate stuff you got.

Posted by: beep-beep | November 22, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Face it: If you're black and you play QB in the National Football League, your skin color is highly scrutinized, and used as an indicator of your intelligence, ability, and leadership. Especially the intelligence. I think it's funny that it's already determined while black QBs are in college that they haven't a shot at playing QB at the NFL level, and begin to speculate on which "other skill position" they'll play.
OR if you score low on the wonderlic, don't happen to be the most mobile QB, have average arm strength, and happen to be black, you're "a project" or "untapped potential" as far the NFL is concerned. Which puts your odds at becoming a starting QB -- who's skin color is just a few shades darker than their counterparts -- at slim to none.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 22, 2010 10:12 AM | Report abuse


And if you are white and you play a WR/RB skill position, the only people you ever get compared are the few other white folks who played that position.

Jordan Shipley seems to remind everyone of Wes Welker...why?

Wes Welker seems to remind everyone of Tim Dwight or Brandon Stokely.

Why? Because of his style of play? His route-running just so happens to evoke memories of those guys?

Or could it be something else - all smallish white receivers only remind people of other smallish white receivers.

I've never in my life heard a white skill position player (RB/QB) "remind" someone of a black skill position player.

Posted by: p1funk | November 22, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

I didn't watch the game but from the comments I'm seeing on here I have a few questions: why does it take half the season to adapt to obvious weaknesses, especially NOT during the bye week (i.e. using plays that help to neutralize the pass rush and getting Fred Davis involved)? Why does it take an injury before better players are put into position to succeed (Will Montgomery especially)? Shanny did better in having 3 RB's active for the game, but how could they look at the field and not put something special in place to help prevent injuries due to the field conditions? With those three questions you get the appearance of bad coaching.

But I will say this, if Shanny continues to be (1) intelligent, (2) changing his gameplan according to his teams strenghts/weaknesses and those of the opponent, (3) motivating the team so they don't come out looking like a pop warner team, and (4) using the best personnel he has, he should stay without any dissent from the fans. That is all we (I) are (am) looking for, and what he and his staff for the most part didn't do before this game.

Posted by: JesusFreakKaren | November 22, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

As to Danny Smith, run him out of town. Punting was less than average, returns were nothing special, and Gano missed two.

Posted by: RedSkinHead |

really?!?!? danny smith's coverages units are some of the best year and year out... didn't the skins hold devin hester to less than 20 return yards in their game verse the bears... smith doesn't kick the field goals!!! also, smith is working with a new snapper this year for the first time as redskins special teams coach... bbanks has helped the return units this season also...

smith is a very good special teams coordinator...

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | November 22, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

The Stephon Heyer Guard show looked much better than at Tackle. I am always worried when he steps out on the field. Very surprised that they did not have too many holding and false start penalties with the make shift O-line.

The team looked hungry for the win yesterday. Hope they stay hungry and not in the literal sense of big Al.

Posted by: RuskiSi | November 22, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Good to see I'm not going crazy! I thought it was just me that thought after Rabach left we actually improved our pass pro and run blocking. Heyer may find his niche at guard. Good size and above average athleticism for a guard. It's a shame Shanahan was forced by injury into getting this look at potential answers to the putrid blocking we've been enduring. I think he should have tried something like this a long time ago. We shall see this week if it is really an improvement.

Posted by: 1bigdad | November 22, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

i think heyer is better suited @ playing the guard position. as shanahan told him, i'm also proud of him. he got beat a few times but he moved more fluidly than when he play at the tackle position where he blocks too tall and allows the de to get under his pads. will montgomery is also a better fit than rabach. i say keep rabach on the bench. was a shame to see dockery go down. we've all been waiting to see him get on the field but it didn't even last long.

Posted by: charronegro1971 | November 22, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

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