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Steve Spagnuolo Follow Up

Steve Spagnuolo's agent, Bob LaMonte, chatted with me about the process briefly. There is an erroneous AP report stating that Spagnuolo told the Redskins he was not ready to be a head coach. League sources say that idea is ludicrous and that the Redskins were very much interested in him after 28 hours of meetings and he was very confident in his ability to be a head coach.

LaMonte did not want to address that report directly, but had this to say about why Spagnuolo chose to sign a new three-year deal with New York, which sources say will make him among the highest paid defensive coordinator in the game:

"At the end of the day we're very appreciative of the opportunity to interview here for the job," LaMonte said. "We appreciate the fact that they waited a month to do so, and the fact that they spent 20 hours interviewing him over three days. It was a very thorough process, and in the end it was just agreed that he would stay in New York. The Redskins are a first class organization, but Steve's heart was in New York, with his players and coaches."

As previously reported, the Redskins did not offer Spagnuolo the job and he departed home to New Jersey early this morning, around 1 am. League sources said after discussing his options with his wife Spagnuolo was to call owner Daniel Snyder today with his intensions, and at that time he opted to stay in New York and take a new deal from the Giants.

Spagnuolo and Jim Mora both pulled out on the Redskins and went on to lucrative deals elsewhere. Gregg Williams was on the verge of pulling out several times with Joe Gibbs urging him not to, and got a good gig in Jacksonville. Al Saunders was snapped up by St. Louis as soon as he was cut loose. Bill Cowher and Pete Carroll didn't want the job under this front office structure at all.

Looks like a highly devalued position. Hard to spin it any other way.

By Jason La Canfora  |  February 7, 2008; 2:29 PM ET
 
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Comments

no body wants this position...is snyder chasing them away? what's going on?

Posted by: hardhitter | February 7, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

what a freaking embarassment this franchise has become.

Posted by: mattdemasi | February 7, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

WE SUCK AGAIN.

Posted by: Gltek01 | February 7, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Yeah right, that is why he stayed here interviewing for 20 hours...his "heart was in Neew York" , my A$$ !!!

Posted by: eauzmendi | February 7, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

paging barno.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 7, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

It seems to me, only a coach hard-up for any kind of work will be the only one taking this job. Did someone say Fa...?

Posted by: Barneybarnabas | February 7, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

I have come, not only to accept the fact that Fassel will be the next HC, but I actually welcome it. Two years from now, when the Redskins are 3-13 and an embarrassment to the league, The Danny will realize that he does not know football. He will then hire a GM to run the team, and pout in his personal theme parks (formally known as six flags before they all shut down). Then, and only then, the Redskins will regain their former glory.

Its either this, or I have to accept the fact that I will never again see the Redskins in a superbowl, unless its on ESPN-Classic...

Posted by: scotchirishprince | February 7, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

paging barno.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 7, 2008 02:35 PM

wait for it...

Posted by: psps23 | February 7, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

It was a very thorough process, and in the end it was just agreed that he would stay in New York.

There's that word again!

Posted by: Alan4 | February 7, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

HAHAHAHAHAHA

you knew he couldn't wait to rip into the Skins again - especially after the good news about Emmitt Thomas, #28 and #81....it was breaking him up being unable to tear 'em down.

ahahahahahah

get a new beat guy.

Posted by: makalb18 | February 7, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

He's so knowledgeable about football already, can we just get li'l Danny to coach the team himself? Maybe we could convince him that, like in baseball, the coaches have to wear the uniforms as well. Just thinking about the little fella sitting on the sidelines in shoulderpads would give me a smile, probably 1 more smile than I can expect from the Fassel-coached Redskins next year.

Posted by: jameslayman | February 7, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Fine. I'll coach the team. Seriously.

Posted by: countystyle | February 7, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

HAHAHAHAHAHA

you knew he couldn't wait to rip into the Skins again - especially after the good news about Emmitt Thomas, #28 and #81....it was breaking him up being unable to tear 'em down.

ahahahahahah

get a new beat guy.

Posted by: makalb18 | February 7, 2008 02:37 PM

barno got a new user name

Posted by: psps23 | February 7, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

There is a reason that the DC and OC have been hired. It has been fossil all along.

Another year on prozac(spelling).

Posted by: kerzon417 | February 7, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

dude.. no good coach wants to be danny's puppet.. only those that are willing to take any head coaching job will come here.. danny boy is destroying this franchise and has no clue he's even doing it.. its gotten to the point that he can't even overpay for one.. sell the team, please !!!

Posted by: vpar57 | February 7, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

This is the part we need clarification on:

As previously reported, the Redskins did not offer Spagnuolo the job and he departed home to New Jersey early this morning, around 1 am. League sources said after discussing his options with his wife Spagnuolo was to call owner Daniel Snyder today with his intensions, and at that time he opted to stay in New York and take a new deal from the Giants.

Spags went home to New Jersey to discuss "his options" and call "Mr." Snyder with his "intentions". But the opening of the paragraph was that the Redskins did not offer Spags the job. So, what exactly were the "options" he was going to discuss with his wife?

Before we can make the assumption of a "devalued" job, we need to know the proper sequence of events.

Also, Mora is from Seattle and, knowing a few of the assistants on Holmgren's staff quite well, I know for a fact that he has always been considered the heir apparent to Holmgren. They wanted to gauge his maturity level in a position coach job, and see how Holmgren's staff reacted to him before making a decision. As it is, many on Holmgren's staff will likely retire with him, and Mora will get to more or less pick his own people. Mora dropping out of the 'Skins job was NOT an indictment on the Redskins. It's the absolute perfect fit and perfect situation (good team, good fans, good stadium, and Paul Allen is building a huge megacomplex for the Seahawks in Renton, south of Seattle).

As much as I hate to say it, Seattle has one of the best organizations in the NFL. Obviously, the 'Skins do not, but for Mora to choose his hometown team is hardly surprising.


Posted by: PDiddy | February 7, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

"League sources say that idea is ludicrous and that the Redskins were very much interested in him after 28 hours of meetings and he was very confident in his ability to be a head coach. "

It seems like I've heard this before with what 'sources' said about another HC canidate.

Barno is going to rip this joint....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 7, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

. . . and then at the conclusion of the press conference announcing the results of his coaching search and organizational restructuring, Mr. Snyder finally let loose with the punchline: "The Aristocrats!"

Posted by: Ted_Striker | February 7, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

I appreciate the updates JLC, but the conjecture is a little much. Pete Carrol and Bill Cowher are not/were not going to coach 'anywhere' in the NFL this year regardless of the front office setup, owner, city, etc.

If it's such a 'devalued' position, why are quality coaches lining up for marathon interview sessions with Dan Snyder?? Stick to the facts sir..

Posted by: castro123 | February 7, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

makalb18

What's your explanation for turn downs by 2-4 different people (Mora and Spags are definitely on the turn down list, Cowher and Carrol are probables on it)?

Is it bad beltway traffic? An over-inflated housing market? The DC/MD restaurant smoking bans?

Just curious

Adam

Posted by: argh | February 7, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Most NFL head coaches are given the power to hire coaches they know, trust and feel they can work with. This can't be a good sign that the HC is presiding over someone else's staff - that of the owner... or the top coordinator. But it still comes down to winning. If the HC wins division titles and playoff games, he'll stay on the job regardless who his assistant coaches are. But I'm sure he'd feel more comfortable with coaches he knows, respects and trusts rather than coaches the owner knows, respects and trusts.

OK, this sounds like the Skins, but its Rick Gosselin writing in the Dallas paper. You can fill in the names (Jones, Philips, Garrett).

Is Jerry Jones really the best role model for Dan Snyder?


Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 7, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

"Looks like a highly devalued position. Hard to spin it any other way." -Jasno

Yes, Mr. barno, I also would like to hear the counter-spin. Remember, looking for argument, not simple contradiction. Begin.

Posted by: dcsween | February 7, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Other than Joe Gibbs, what ex-Redskin coach is going to recommend working for little Danny? Other than those needing fast cash, Redskin coaching job is a hard sell under current ownership. How in the hell did Synder amass all that money with such poor managerial and leadership skills?

Posted by: jhuterp | February 7, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

loyalty, maybe dan can learn a little thing called loyalty. he wanted to spags wanted to stay with his players that he had a bond with. we will never be any good until dan learns loyallty. not the kind they showed brian mitchell, bobby mitchell, lavar arrington, antonio pierce, champ bailey, greg williams, and on and on

Posted by: keithfbutler | February 7, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Bill Cowher and Pete Carroll didn't want the job under this front office structure at all.

By Jason La Canfora | February 7, 2008; 2:29 PM ET

Really? It was because of "this front office structure" that Cowher didn't want this job? You mean he hasn't been saying for about 2 years now that he won't be returning to coaching this year? You mean his reasons for turning down all the other teams that wanted him was because of other reasons, but he had a specific reason for why he didn't want the Redskins job? Really?

Sorry, but I'm not buying it.

Posted by: barno | February 7, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

"Looks like a highly devalued position. Hard to spin it any other way."

Mr. Larry Mich...,excuse me--Barno, go ahead and rant.

Posted by: nojunk4me | February 7, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

no body wants this position...is snyder chasing them away? what's going on?
Posted by: hardhitter | February 7, 2008 02:31 PM
It is two fold.


Point 1 - Everyone knows what the Redskins is about. The are dysfunctional, but they hand out cash out the WAHZOO so everyone turns a blind eye the dysfunctional head....

Point 2 - Last year. Players started leaking to the media that the Redskins wanted them in order to parlay a bigger payday from other teams. This year, coaches are doing the same exact thing. They are feeding these reporters (all not some) all the fluff so the owner will offer them more $$$ to stay with lesser responsibilities to handle instead of taking the the job with the dysfunctional team......

Sad to say, but its true.........

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 7, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

PDdidy, its possible to leave without an offer, but a request to "talk some more", like after talking to the wife. Maybe after 28 hours, there might be SOMETHING where bouncing the idea off the wife might help a guy clear things up in his head.

Posted by: dcsween | February 7, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Press clipping should read:
At the end of the day, LaMonte said, we realized that by coming down here, we could use the redskins to get a better deal from the giants. This is where spags wanted to stay, and we figured, why not use synder and the skins to do that.. wouldn't you ? besides, my client would actually want to hire his own staff and have a say on how things are run.. but we truly appreciate dan letting us use him..

Posted by: vpar57 | February 7, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins are once again, the biggest laughingstock in the NFL. Hail.

Posted by: davidvikki97 | February 7, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

I just noticed that the poll results are now essentially opposite of what they have been for weeks. The question asks fans what they think of Fossil. The responses were overwhelmingly negative for weeks and now, with the announcement that Spags will stay in NY, the responses are suddenly overwhelmingly positive! Is The Post working with Snyder to court Fossil? Was the data reset? This smells ridiculously fishy.

Posted by: TBDog | February 7, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone else find it ironic, that the Chinese New year just started and this year just happens to the Year of the Rat, perfect for Snyder being in the forefront of this circus. What a joke this guy is, brace yourselves my friends, when you see it here that Fassel will be on that plane coming back from Phoenix. Here's to the Ulitimate Rat, cheers!

Posted by: jayandcat | February 7, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Yep, we're a joke. No way to sugar coat it now.

F YOU SNYDER!

Posted by: RickyBobby | February 7, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

I just saw that Redskins have hired another Cerrato tie-in...John Palermo from University of Miami to be the D-Line coach. He worked with Cerrato at Notre Dame. I guess this "thorough" search couldn't wait another day or two to allow the HC to pick at least 1 of his staff!

Posted by: andrewtimbie | February 7, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Ah Cowher and Carrol weren't going to coach in the NFL this year anyway. Snyder gained alot of knowledge interviewing Spags.


Snyder got Fassil's approval to hire Zorn and Blache

I believe Fassil was the scapegoat in Baltimore. They have never had an offense.

Fassil took the Giants to the Super Bowl. He might be a good coach here. We have a franchise QB entering his prime with a solid defense.

Posted by: jhess18 | February 7, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Spags went home to New Jersey to discuss "his options" and call "Mr." Snyder with his "intentions". But the opening of the paragraph was that the Redskins did not offer Spags the job. So, what exactly were the "options" he was going to discuss with his wife?

Before we can make the assumption of a "devalued" job, we need to know the proper sequence of events.

Also, Mora is from Seattle and, knowing a few of the assistants on Holmgren's staff quite well, I know for a fact that he has always been considered the heir apparent to Holmgren. They wanted to gauge his maturity level in a position coach job, and see how Holmgren's staff reacted to him before making a decision. As it is, many on Holmgren's staff will likely retire with him, and Mora will get to more or less pick his own people. Mora dropping out of the 'Skins job was NOT an indictment on the Redskins. It's the absolute perfect fit and perfect situation (good team, good fans, good stadium, and Paul Allen is building a huge megacomplex for the Seahawks in Renton, south of Seattle).

As much as I hate to say it, Seattle has one of the best organizations in the NFL. Obviously, the 'Skins do not, but for Mora to choose his hometown team is hardly surprising.


Posted by: PDiddy | February 7, 2008 02:39 PM

Spags had options. He had an offer from the Giants that wasn't going anywhere. He opted to pull his name from the Redskins candidate list.

"Mora will get to more or less pick his own people. Mora dropping out of the 'Skins job was NOT an indictment on the Redskins. It's the absolute perfect fit and perfect situation (good team, good fans, good stadium, and Paul Allen is building a huge megacomplex for the Seahawks in Renton, south of Seattle)."

How is this not an indictment on the redskins? Everything listed here could have been offered to Mora, only a year earlier and probably with more money. The only draws that Seattle has that the Redskins don't is a "better" (read: louder) stadium and they're in Mora's hometown. Snyder has the OPTION to offer everything and more to get any head coach out there. It's clear that he won't budge, and it's clear that several candidates would rather wait it out than work under Snyder and this FO. Snyder has made this vacancy downright unattractive. Good thing we've got Jim Fassel to fall back on.

Posted by: psps23 | February 7, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

This reminds me of the old Groucho Marx quote: "I wouldn't join any club that would have me as a member."

We can flip it to Dan Snyder saying "I wouldn't hire any head coach that would work for me."

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 7, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

I for, could care less what Barno's take on this post is.

Posted by: chrislarry | February 7, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

"it was just agreed that he would stay in New York"

This says he didn't get the job. If he decided not to take it, it would read, "he decided to stay in New York."

Seriously, Jason, stop the nonsense. Coaches are given an opportunity to pull out when they're no longer being considered. Mora, Gregg, and now Spags have exercised this option.

Posted by: Joe_in_Raleigh | February 7, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Fassel has this year to prove he can do the job. We're a playoff team. Anything less than the number 5 seed is a disappointment.

If by the end of year two we suck (it's perfectly likely), please Dan fire Vinny & Fossil and hire somebody with successful GM experience so we can stop squandering picks and paying top dollar for aging/unproven players. Look at how NY, Dallas and NE do it! Losing is bad business!

Posted by: gmarchesiv | February 7, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Fassel has this year to prove he can do the job. We're a playoff team. Anything less than the number 5 seed is a disappointment.

If by the end of year two we suck (it's perfectly likely), please Dan fire Vinny & Fossil and hire somebody with successful GM experience so we can stop squandering picks and paying top dollar for aging/unproven players. Look at how NY, Dallas and NE do it! Losing is bad business!

Posted by: gmarchesiv | February 7, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Interesting that so many on here are now calling for a "barno rant" against that hack, um, I mean Jason La Canfora.

Well, you don't need a barno rant to see that this beat reporter has long held much contempt for the organization he is assigned to cover. He is not non-biased. "Objective" is not in his vocabulary.

And if you don't believe many members of the media who are supposed to remain objective but actually have their own agendas, I suggest you get a job in a newsroom.

Either that, or watch this season of the Wire (which focuses on a beat reporter who makes things up to further his career).

Posted by: barno | February 7, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

I wish Dan would realize that if he would hand the team over to a legit GM he'd have more time to go hang out on space ships with Tom Cruise. Who knows? Maybe even John Travolta would be there too!

Posted by: countystyle | February 7, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

yup, Janso's to fault....quit lying to us Janso... your willing bad things to happen to skins....

hi-sterical....

Posted by: chrislarry | February 7, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

PDiddy - I have no more info than you but I don't think there's any problem here. Recently I interviewed for a job that is asking for a 2-year commitment (there's a visa involved so it's complicated). I was told to think about that and get back to them. I was never "offered" the job, terms other than that commitment period were not discussed. But had i been willing to make that commitment, it was understood that I would *likely* get the job (pursuant to all things considered).

Sounds about like what happened here. Snider says think about it - see if your wife wants to live in DC, etc. Then we'll talk about more particulars.

Anyway, my theory is that Danny has been after the mystery candidate all along (the Human Jawbone?) and delayed this thing to find more big names or convince the big name to come for big money. Now it looks like we're gonna get Fossel. Kinda a let down, no?

Posted by: sheidt99 | February 7, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

1st Question for Fassel in his Press Conference:

How do you feel about coaching a franchise where the mere mention of your name caused an outpouring of negativity from the fan base when none of the other canidates created the same reaction?

1st Question for Dan Snyder:

How does this hiring process fulfill your promise of continuity and how do you sell your fan base on the one guy that 90% of your fans said they would be satisfied with anyone but him?

Posted by: jayandcat | February 7, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Get your barf bags out... you'll soon see snyder at the podium telling everyone how this extensive process led to the best man.. jim fassel..
believe me, its going to happen.. he'll spin it well, but we'll all know he's lying through his teeth.. but he'll have his yes-man and thats what counts.. finally the three stooches reincarnated..

Posted by: vpar57 | February 7, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, Jason, stop the nonsense. Coaches are given an opportunity to pull out when they're no longer being considered. Mora, Gregg, and now Spags have exercised this option.

Posted by: Joe_in_Raleigh | February 7, 2008 02:53 PM

Joe, give it up my friend. This beat reporter has no agenda, he is just calls them as he sees them. It is us who are blinded by our burgundy and gold glasses, remember?

Just kidding! Don't ever stop...

Posted by: barno | February 7, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

we're not calling for a "barno rant". We're acknowledging the fact that you are like Roger Rabbit and Jasno is Judge Doom tapping "shave and a hair cut..."

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 7, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

A source at Snyder's mansion is saying that Spags, Cowher or Pete Carrol didn't get the job because they said something that could have been interpreted as an insult towards Joe Gibbs.

Posted by: jimwell | February 7, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Looks like this waiting accomplished one thing. Putting us further behind everyone else in preparation for next season. That doesn't help the Giants, does it?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 7, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: barno | February 7, 2008 02:55 PM

Barno - you have an acute understanding of sarcasm. Bravo.

Posted by: sheidt99 | February 7, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

I'll trade you three stooches for one Mooch.

Posted by: countystyle | February 7, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Again, I am not calling for Barno's take....ever...I vote keep it to your self.

Posted by: chrislarry | February 7, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

It was a very thorough process, and in the end it was just agreed that he would stay in New York.

There's that word again!

Posted by: Alan4 | February 7, 2008 02:36 PM

One time when I was growing up in Florida, we killed a water moccasin and I dropped it onto a nearby fire ant mound. I went back to the fire ant mound a few days later, and all that was left was the snake's skeleton.

Those ants sure were thorough.

Posted by: freakzilla | February 7, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Jim Zorn for head coach!!!!!

Posted by: DreamOutLoud | February 7, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

I 2nd that CL.

Posted by: jm220 | February 7, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Lets face it. For most of Gibbs 2.0 Gibbs was the ceo. You can tell when he started to actually be the headcoach of the team.

Fassil should do better. Everyone needs to stop being so negative. You have no idea what is going on or being said behind closed doors.

Posted by: jhess18 | February 7, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Btw - I was being sarcastic, in case you missed it.

Posted by: sheidt99 | February 7, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: barno | February 7, 2008 02:55 PM

This was neither an argument nor a contradiction. Just straight up allegation.

I'm on the chRIs Larry bandwagon. Was pro-barno, now just bored with barno.

Now who is going to get the franchise tag? I say Ethan Albright. Sure, he'll stay for vet minimum (even after his Pro Bowl), but we got a tag laying around that we just MUST use. plash!

Posted by: dcsween | February 7, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

From the Washington Times, here is our new D-Line Coach:
An NFL source said that John Palermo, who coached at Notre Dame in 1988-89 when Redskins executive vice president Vinny Cerrato was the recruiting coordinator, will be hired as Washington's defensive line coach, filling the void created by Greg Blache's promotion to defensive coordinator last month.


Palermo, now at the University of Miami, has coached in bowls in 17 of his 27 seasons. He coached Big Ten Defensive Players of the Year Erasmus James and Wendell Bryant at Wisconsin and Lombardi Trophy winner Chris Zorich, later a Redskin, at Notre Dame. Palmero was head coach at Austin Peay in 1990.

Posted by: jimwell | February 7, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

The Danny is a horrible owner...Has this guy lost touch with reality? Hey Danny, we have tried it your way since '99. And guess what? It has not worked! If you were a smart owner, you would keep yopur hands out of the pot and just sign the checks. Danny boy, you have never been a scout, a head coach or anything football related. Hire some smart football people and let the football people make the football decisons. Hey Danny, having you making football decisons is like having a second grader tell me where to invest my money in the stock market.

Posted by: castellanos1377 | February 7, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

somehow i feel like Dan gonna sign Russ Grimm. I also feel like he interviewed him already, while he went to AZ for the super bowl. Who ever Dan Snyder signs, other than JIM FASSEL, is going to be a surprise. And i believe he will make the right decision this time.

Posted by: beede81 | February 7, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

SportsTalk 980 reporting that it's going to be Fassel.

Posted by: CMoney1 | February 7, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Don't forget Gibbs ran Patrick Ramsey out of here without giving him a chance and wanted to give up those draft picks for Brunell and wanted to trade for Duckett.

Posted by: jhess18 | February 7, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Barno,

Did I miss something, what exactly has Dan Snyder done to earn your undying allegiance. Are you on his Payroll, is your name really Vinny? You and "Joe from Raleigh" should get together and have Jason bashing party, maybe Snyder Communications could sponser it. Jason does a great job of critizing a joke of organization. When the Snyder starts doing things respectfully then maybe he'll get treated with some respect from the media. Until then keep grillin' them Jason!

Posted by: jayandcat | February 7, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

From the NY Daily News:

Lamonte, by the way, insisted that Spagnuolo had a great meeting with Snyder and that his withdrawal had nothing to do with any misgivings about the Redskins organization. However, several people in the Giants' organization had warned him about Snyder's meddling ways - as evidenced by the fact that the Redskins' offensive and defensive coordinators have already been hired - and the fact that the 'Skins are currently nearly $20 million over the projected 2008 salary cap.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/2008/02/07/2008-02-07_steve_spagnuolo_withdraws_name_from_reds.html

Seems to back up Jasno there, barno. Just sayin'

Posted by: sheidt99 | February 7, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

People who have a wife and/or kids. Take the next 3 years off like I am going to. Have the sundays to yourself for the next 3 years.

If you are a truely diehard skins fan, hiring of fassel, vinny as the gm is the perfect thing that can happen to this team coming off from a playoff run. Think about it. Snider STILL hasn't learned his lesson. He STILL thinks he can do it his way.

After 3 years snider's product is going to turn in to shti and millions more will join people like me thus turning snider into a curse word.

so I urge you if you have wife and kids...join me in taking the next 3 years off from snider's product. Snider's product isn't championship material. YOU KNOW THAT! So why not make your wife happy and spend more time with the kids? or donate your time to charity?

We are headed into a worse recession than what we faced in 2001 without any wars looming in the horizon (thank god!) to pull us out of it. Take the extra time that you will have and learn new skills, take classes, go back to school. Give yourselves an edge in the market place.

I can go on and on about what you can do with the extra time you will have if you didn't follow this bratty rich boy's crappy toy.

I know some of you will have a dilemma and question if you're being loyal to the team or not. And to that I say there's more to life than to keep watching a boy play with his toys.

ps...jasno's conclusions are right but not his supporting arguments.

Posted by: dealer | February 7, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Now who is going to get the franchise tag? I say Ethan Albright.

Posted by: dcsween | February 7, 2008 03:03 PM

hahaha yesss

Posted by: psps23 | February 7, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Barno,

I think you view this "blog" in the wrong light. Think of this more along the lines of a column, like Wilbon or Sally's on the post.

If you want straight, unbiased news you probably won't find it anywhere. Fox, CNN, and just about every news outlet, regardless of their unbiased intentions, end up being bias. Its human nature to want to share an opinion, and argue for or against it.

Its a blog about all things Redskin. Jason is a blogger/reporter. Jason has an opinion. Jason weaves an opinion into Redskin news. We then reply with our own opnion, some more enlightened than others.
Its noble that you feel all news should be unbiased, but sometimes you just have to let it go, or start your own news outlet...

Posted by: scotchirishprince | February 7, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Grimmy!!!!!

Protocol be damned. Give me a Grimmy over a Fossil any day. Failing that, Monty Burns!

Posted by: sheidt99 | February 7, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Dan The Man and Vinny are not thinking clearly - and have not for many years - except for hiring JoeG. Too many hours spent in cigar filled rooms with HC potential clouded their brains. Why even bother to interview a DC for HC when you already have your defensive coaches lined up?
We need an HC that knows offense.

Posted by: johnbear948 | February 7, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

REDSKINS FANS- Below you will find a link with Jim Fassel Quotes - This should help you get prepared for all the BS that we will have to look forward to
http://thinkexist.com/quotes/jim_fassel/

Posted by: jamesjb32 | February 7, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Danny's slogan

"REDSKINS HEAD COACHING JOB...WE ARE STILL BETTER THAN RAIDERS HEAD COACHING JOB'

Posted by: mmz114 | February 7, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

scotchirishprince,

appreciate the comments. You're definitely right on some level that everyone gives their opinions one way or another, that is indeed human nature. But don't you agree that there is, or at least should be, a difference between an op-ed writer like Wilbon who is paid to give his opinions and a beat reporter who is paid to report?

***Maybe they shouldn't give blogs to beat reporters

Posted by: barno | February 7, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Don't forget Gibbs ran Patrick Ramsey out of here without giving him a chance and wanted to give up those draft picks for Brunell and wanted to trade for Duckett.

Posted by: jhess18 | February 7, 2008 03:06 PM

Makes you wonder if Ramsey could have been another Eli Manning if given 3 years to grow into the position.

Posted by: jimwell | February 7, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Jamesjb32
"It takes a little while to build, ... It doesn't happen overnight, but I didn't think we'd struggle this badly now."

Jim Fassel quote

I envision this being the quote we hear from Fassel 10 games into the 2008 season.....

Posted by: scotchirishprince | February 7, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Here is one we can all latch onto:

"It takes a little while to build, ... It doesn't happen overnight, but I didn't think we'd struggle this badly now."

Posted by: chrislarry | February 7, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

My wife and I went to the Miami opener last season. $30 parking, $5 bottle of water and a $60 food bill. It's sad when you have to sell a kidney to go to a Redskin's game. What an enjoyable outing. Danny has ruined this team which has a rich history as a classy organization. Might as well let the player's coach themselves. Schottenheimer was a good coach. Danny the ego ruined his short tenure as head coach. Sounds like we are in for another Spurrier like scenario. I for one will be watching next seasons Redskins games on my HD TV.

Posted by: brescott77 | February 7, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Snyder's view of continuity:

http://www.despair.com/consistency.html

Posted by: jaradel | February 7, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

I just saw that Redskins have hired another Cerrato tie-in...John Palermo from University of Miami to be the D-Line coach. He worked with Cerrato at Notre Dame. I guess this "thorough" search couldn't wait another day or two to allow the HC to pick at least 1 of his staff!

Posted by: andrewtimbie | February 7, 2008 02:51 PM

Redskins One will be on it's way to offer the HC job to Bob Davie soon.

Posted by: kohastings | February 7, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

I still think Fassel will be announced tommorow. He might be successful next year.

But I just don't feel the organization can build any long term success around Jim Fassel.

He would probably be here for a year or two until Danny gets tired of him and he would be fired and we will having these same conversations again.

That is what really frustrates me as a fan! I'm afraid don't we have a long term plan for the success of the team.

If Grimm were to get a shot at HC i feel like we could build around him long term. He could bring a hard nosed no BS attitude to the team.

Posted by: Down777866 | February 7, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

jinx scotchirishprince, but me some coke...

Posted by: chrislarry | February 7, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Yesterday, on the radio (I think it was on the John Riggins show), while the interviews with Spags were still going on, a New York broadcaster (sorry I don't recall the name) was asked about Spags leaving the Giants. Without hesitation and with confidence the broadcaster responded that Spags isn't going anywhere, the Giants will pay him to stay.

It seems the whole world knew the Spags interview with the Skins was a complete sham even while it was still going on!

Posted by: mi-ti-bear | February 7, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

"It takes a little while to build, ... It doesn't happen overnight, but I didn't think we'd struggle this badly now."

We will be hearing this alot next season!

Posted by: jimwell | February 7, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

"I would say that whatever our numbers are, they're probably pretty much league-wide and probably pretty much society-wide. I don't think our team is any different from any other team or society as a whole. I don't think those numbers are out of whack. The hard thing is we hold these players to different standards. That's going to be the difficult part, figuring out how we are going to bridge that gap if these guys can't be within these normal societal numbers."

Jim Fassel quote

Now thats the speak of true politician (or idiot)! Mr. Fassel, welcome to Washington!

Posted by: scotchirishprince | February 7, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Makes you wonder if Ramsey could have been another Eli Manning if given 3 years to grow into the position.

Posted by: jimwell | February 7, 2008 03:15 PM

He certainly learned how to take a sack.

Posted by: teden | February 7, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Is Washington turning into Oakland? Why do the younger owners (ie Cuban, Snyder) insist on letting their ego's manage and lead their teams rather than sense and history (Kraft, Mara, Tisch)...

Posted by: nnn | February 7, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Dude this is a blog about the Redskins. I don't think anyone is confusing this for an article in the newspaper.

I haven't always agreed with everything JLa has said but I can't think of a single time where he stated something as fact that turned out to be untrue. Not once.

Does JLa appear to have some contempt for this organization? Yes to me he does. Is it well documented that they don't get along with him? Yes. Don't confuse that with distorting the facts or false reporting.

I third JM's second to CL's first.

Posted by: Skinz | February 7, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

***Maybe they shouldn't give blogs to beat reporters

Posted by: barno | February 7, 2008 03:14 PM

Barno - you are the most weakminded 14 year old I've ever seen posting on the internets. If this blog is so offensive to you, why do you spend so much time on it, day after day after day?

Posted by: sheidt99 | February 7, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Bottom line...who cares who's the head coach in 2008

All Danny is doing is buying 1 year so he can throw 10 millions at Cowher.

If you are the head coach for Redskins in 2008...you get

(a) handcuffed by being 20 mil over the cap
(b) have essentially your entire staff picked for you already
(c) have to deal with an aging offensive line with 2 starters coming back from injury, defense having to replace Taylor, defense with Rogers & McIntosh who won't be 100% for some time, ....
(d) have to deal with the fact that Cowher is coming out of retirement in 2009 and will very likely be Danny's 1st choice unless you go to the super bowl...

What coach in their right mind will want to take the job

Posted by: mmz114 | February 7, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Looks like a highly devalued position. Hard to spin it any other way.

What do we know? VinnyDAN inherited a team with a GM and Coach. He fired the GM, never hired another one, giving the power to Vinny, and then fired the Coach.

He was told by everyone that football people should make football decisions and marketing people should make marketing decisions and fellatio experts should continue to perform fellatio, so he hired MartyBall and made him coach and GM.

VinnyDAN did not like being told someone else was smarter about ANYTHING in the friggin world, and promptly fired MartyBall.

He reinstated the autofellater as defacto GM and hired the BallCoach to coach 'em up, and let the autofellatio expert make draft/roster decisions. The BallCoach found out he couldn't coach 'em up in the NFL and ran home to college.

VinnyDAN was then prepared to hire another fellatio expert (Coach Facile) to be HC, leaving Vinny as the de facto GM, when the only man in the world to whom he would have ever ceded authority, told him he wanted the job. Gibbs is, and apparently remains, the only person in the world who VinnyDAN is okay being told is smarter than him (sidebar - I get that, being VinnyDAN's age, Gibbs is semi-divine to me as well).

But Gibbs is gone (as is, I guess, some of his aura for VinnyDAN) and VinnyDAN is back to business as usual. Cowher and Carrol were never real candidates. People (the media, TK, etc.) confused Snyder's love of big name players with a love of big name coaches. Yes he loves the big fish. If Cowher had said - Yes sir, you pick the players and I will coach 'em up - Cowher can have the job. But any real coach with real power wants his players to respect and fear HIM, more then the player respects and fears his position coach. So no one with any leverage will take this job. Cowher can wait till next year and get gobs of money and control, as can Carrol and probably Spaz. More already did it. Caldwell got it before he even make the trip here. SexyRexy got $ just cause someone said they wanted to talk to him.

VinnyDAN changed for Gibbs, but he did not change. Autofellatio is the new status quo in Ashburn and only a coach willing to live with that (read that as with no other choices or prospects) would take it.

I pray for for Meeks, or even Mooch, but expect that we will get Coach Facile, cause the one thing that would never occur to him, is to forget to swallow.

Posted by: RedBee | February 7, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

"There will always be someone richer and dumber than you"


think about it, Danny ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 7, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

oh and it's hard to believe that some of these owners have actually been successful in business isn't?

Posted by: nnn | February 7, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

dogs and cats sleeping together, frogs falling from the sky, day is night, beat reporters with blogs!!!!!!

I just can't make sense of the world?????!!!

Posted by: chrislarry | February 7, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

980am says fassel deal is done

Posted by: Kev31385 | February 7, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

I am not a Snyder fan and I'm still beyond angry at him about Gregg Willimas BUT - as some of you have previously mentioned - JLC comments are BS! JLC reported that Pete Carroll, Bill Cowher and Jim Mora did not want the Skins job. Well, Jim Mora knew Holmgren was going to retire next season and that he would be made HC so that is why he pulled out......Bill Cowher has said all along that he did not plan to coach next season and never deviated from that statement and Carroll has always said if he coaches in the NFL again he wants full control. Pete Carroll did not even interview with ATL but did with Snyder.

What about Jason Garrett turning down the Ravens? Thought that was a world class organization (according to JLC).

Posted by: Lisa | February 7, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Is Washington turning into Oakland? Why do the younger owners (ie Cuban, Snyder) insist on letting their ego's manage and lead their teams rather than sense and history (Kraft, Mara, Tisch)...

Posted by: nnn | February 7, 2008 03:18 PM


Dude...did you even bother to check the record of Dallas Mavericks before Cuban took over? They were consistently one of the worst teams in the league. Their success has a lot to do with Cuban

Don't even compare danny to Cuban

Posted by: mmz114 | February 7, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

This is just like regular folks looking for new jobs while they already have one. This way Spags was able to use the Skins to have the Giants counter (which they did with a lucrative 3 year deal). And will probably replace Coughlin when he retires (though Gregg thought the same about Gibbs retiring). I really don't know if he used the Skins but was able to take the place job out of the two.

Posted by: fearturtle44 | February 7, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Why do the younger owners (ie Cuban, Snyder) insist on letting their ego's manage and lead their teams rather than sense and history (Kraft, Mara, Tisch)...

Posted by: nnn | February 7, 2008 03:18 PM

Dude - Cuban's ego can manage my Redskins any day of the week. Did you see the disaster that the Mavs were before he bought them? Maybe he's been in the limelight, but they've just won since he got the reins. The Danny is all negatives, no positives.

Posted by: sheidt99 | February 7, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

I for, could care less what Barno's take on this post is.
Posted by: chrislarry | February 7, 2008 02:53 PM

Cl - My calling for Barno was more of a Capt. Obvious comment....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 7, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

would someone please call snyder and tell him that al groh will take the job....hahaha

Posted by: mdoughtie | February 7, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

My guess is that barno keeps hanging around for the football discussion, jibba jabba and information. He overly expresses his opinion about Jasno and it seems like he's kind of realized recently that the blog isn't the same thing as a news article. The blog can have Jasno's opinions in it. The "Redskins Notebook" article should be devoid of opinion but not the blog.

barno needs to understand that the blog has opinions. Now to his point that beat reporters maybe shouldn't have blogs. I disagree. It is a good forum to pass along rumors that don't necessarily stand up to the criteria needed for actual news.

Posted by: BCBarney | February 7, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

SportsTalk 980 reporting that it's going to be Fassel.
Posted by: CMoney1 | February 7, 2008 03:05 PM

Haven't they been reporting this for 2 weeks now???

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 7, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

nevermind that was an old post

Posted by: Kev31385 | February 7, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Don't forget Gibbs ran Patrick Ramsey out of here without giving him a chance ...

Posted by: jhess18 | February 7, 2008 03:06 PM

Wrong. Gibbs named him the starter. Then Ramsey had a miserable pre-season -- completely stunk the place up and Gibbs pulled the trigger on him after the first game, when he again threw an interception in the end zone. Getting rid of Ramsey was one of Gibbs better personnel moves.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 7, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

I hope there will be a press conference tomorrow introducing Gregg Williams as the new coach of the Redskins. This would be preceded by Ashton Kuchner laughing and telling all Redskins fans that "YOU HAVE BEEN PUNKED!!!"

Posted by: jimwell | February 7, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Lisa--Nice perspective on Jasno's post. Thanks for that.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 7, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Next up, the Redskins announce that they're changing the team colors to burgundy and amber, to reflect the team's Fassel-ization.

Posted by: freakzilla | February 7, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

At least we have the Wizzturds, Crapitals, Borioles and Trashionals to watch.

Posted by: brescott77 | February 7, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

scotchirishprince,

sadly, the latter, my friend. if danny were the type to admit when he was in over his head, and change the structure of the front office, he'd have done so already. we're doomed until he sells the team. if not for the steadying presence of Gibbs the past four years, this team would already be the Knicks. Flagship franchise, great history, great fans, management that is rotten to the core.

Posted by: erikgreenberger | February 7, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Sportstalk 980 is reporting that Dan Snyder and Vinny Cerrato are the two biggest morons in professional sports today.

Posted by: jimwell | February 7, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Regarding JLac,


If it smells like sh$t, tastes like sh$t, and looks like sh$t, it is my burdundy and gold brethren, SH$T!!

Jason's reporting is fact and fair , which Barno, is objective reporting. What, he can't be critical? This isn't Disney; the Redskin's are not the NFL's model franchise and no Barno, there is no Santa Claus.

Posted by: duh2mag | February 7, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

4th, gotcha my man...i just wanted to go on record as not caring...

And Lisa sometimes people say things they don't mean. I know its hard to believe, but its true. Weren't you the one who stated millions of times, Gibbs was staying b/c he "said so".....I belive Janso is more right than wrong and believe nothing these public figures say as official statements to the press.

No one can convince me this is an attractive job at this point.

But whateves Lisa, you get mad props b/c I connect your prediction about the Giants to their SB in my mind forever now..That was solid...

Posted by: chrislarry | February 7, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Could this be the idea? find a stop gap for a year, and if they fail cut and grab another guy next year?

Posted by: Veretax | February 7, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Didn't Tom Cruise make a football movie? Perfect, then he is qualified in Danny's world.

Who in their right mind would give up Greg Williams for Fassell? .. Snyder. Funny, even with Vinny's promotion nobody even knows who he is.

I'll blame all of this on Jack Kent Cooke. His master plan of making us wish he was still around by selling the team is working beautifully.

Posted by: jeffjwb | February 7, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

The only person who would take this job is someone who will be more than happy to be a yes man to Snyratto. This franchise is quickly gaining ground on the Oakland Raiders as the most embarrasingly inept franchise in the NFL. The only credibility the Redskins have is their ability to squeeze money from a loyal fanbase well into the billions of dollars. I no longer feel it is an afront to my fandom to relinquish my love of the Redskins in favor of a new team one day soon. The next step can't be far behind.

Posted by: broodin77 | February 7, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Snyder is competing with Al Davis to devalue his coaching positions.

Snyder said, when he bought the team, that management [JKCooke, Jr, back then] was unresponsive to the fans.

Well, look who has fallen into the same trap. All the fans know that the Redskins need a premium football man running the show, and for Snyder to duck into the shadows.

From 1999, when Snyder called in Norv Turner for some tongue-lashings following key losses, it was clear that Snyder had no idea what he was doing from the standpoint of managing the football guys - the coaches and the players.

Now, he is finally getting unequivocal feedback from the market. The market is telling him that he stinks.

He continues to be guilty of the same sin that he accused JKCooke, JR. of when he bought the team.

Unresponsive. Ultimately more interested in himself than in the team, its fans, and its coaches.

Posted by: mirf59 | February 7, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

"Deep inside, I know we can fix this thing and get going, ... Now, the clock is running."

Another Fassel quote we'll here a lot of next year.

Posted by: jaradel | February 7, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Regarding JLac,


If it smells like sh$t, tastes like sh$t, and looks like sh$t, it is my burdundy and gold brethren, SH$T!!

Jason's reporting is fact and fair , which Barno, is objective reporting. What, he can't be critical? This isn't Disney; the Redskin's are not the NFL's model franchise and no Barno, there is no Santa Claus.

Posted by: duh2mag | February 7, 2008 03:28 PM


You're saying that you believe Jason when he says that Cowher turned it down because of the front office structure? Since Jason said it it must be fact right? Get real. Cowher has consistently said he's not gonna coach now.

Posted by: fgtdr | February 7, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

listen, it is ridiculous to think that a blog is an opinion free place. yes, jasno is a beat reporter, and he always does a great job of trying to feed us hamsters with any little tidbits he can from around the league. that's the great thing about a blog; you dont have to be 100% correct all the time because this isnt going into print. if we can throw our 2 cents in all the time, why cant jasno who has been giving us this wonderful blog for over a year and a half. we are all addicted to this thing like crack and probably will be until we can get on that A&E show intervention, but until then, let jasno do his thang cuz he does it well. i am a skins fan, but to think that snyder hasnt devalued our HC job in the past month alone is ridiculous. maybe we should be more objective as fans and realize that if the only coach we can get is fassel, then there is probably something wrong. good work jason, and before yall criticize him think how it would be if someone were at your job watching your every movement and when you happen to do something that is not to their liking they start bashing you for it. come on, its a blog for christ sake, and we should take it for what its worth. that's my 2 cents

Posted by: jmc2007 | February 7, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Great....

Now, we have the D Coordinator of one of our NFC rivals who has spent "22 hours" getting into the mind of what the Danny and the wonderboy are planning personnel wise... Lovely, like they need another leg up...

Posted by: carocanesfan | February 7, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

As much as i hate to say it...JLA is right...it is a highly devalued position. Some guy earlier said it's not devalued since there have been so many "high quality" coaches interviewing for many hour. High Quality??? Seriously?
Meeks - Decent prospect, but unproven
Spags - 1st year coordinator, unproven
Fassil - Garbage
GG Williams - Garbage HC record, decent fit
Mooch - Be honest guys...Garbage.
The Titans guy - Garbage
Cowher wouldnt even hear of it
Carrol was not, and never did consider it

Where is all the "Quality" you speak of? Obviously there is no real quality in the candidates when Fassil (Fucusall) had the "best" interview. No one in their right mind wants this damn job people. With Snyderatto at the helm...can you blame them?
We must all come to grips with this fact: we are in for many miserable seasons to come with Snyder and especially Cerrato in charge. We were fooled the past few seasons by our love for Gibbs; masking the hideousness of the little leperacaun in the closet ("The Danny Boy").

Posted by: arazmara | February 7, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

It's awful to think how I took the golden years of the Skins for granted. When losing in the NFC championship game was a disappointment..... uhhg what a depressing day to be a Skins fan.

I'm still holding out hope for Meeks or Grimm. I will live in my self deception as long as I can.

Posted by: Skinz | February 7, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

I was going to see Hillary Speak and missed by 30 people. Me no go to overflow room.

I was talking to people about the redskins and I realized what a laughing stock is. When fans laugh when they are talking about there own team with each other. Like when the Wiz sent all there good players to the pistons that is just funny.

We are a laughing stock.

I wrote a post that predicted this before I was filled with hope. But I am not Barno so...

Could not find any Dan supporters maybe there in the Obama line.

Posted by: mul | February 7, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

mirf59,

I couldn't agree with you more. But the problem is that Danny doesn't think the market is telling him he stinks. In the words of Joe Gibbs, he actually thinks he's "going about things the right way up here".

It's enfuriating, disturbing, and saddening all at the same time.

Posted by: RickyBobby | February 7, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Doomed to 8-8 forever...

Posted by: CHICO13 | February 7, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

To be fair to Snyder:

Mike Tomlin was offered the HC job by the Rooneys even though they already had an Offensive Coordinator and Defensive Coordinator. The DC ran a 3-4 and Tomlin is a Tamp-2 Dude.

After 1 year: Playoffs and praises from around the league and the fans.

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 7, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

You're saying that you believe Jason when he says that Cowher turned it down because of the front office structure? Since Jason said it it must be fact right? Get real. Cowher has consistently said he's not gonna coach now.

Posted by: fgtdr | February 7, 2008 03:34 PM

And Jasno reported that Cowher didn't want to coach this year. I think your memory is hazy. Or perhaps you've forgotten the timing of it all. First, there was a rumor that Cowher wasn't interested in the Skins because of the lack of personnel control. Then there was a report that he didn't want to coach at all this year. Jasno was all about reporting those rumors to us as they came.

Don't shoot the messenger.

Posted by: sheidt99 | February 7, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

I come here to get dude's "inside" information...which he is good at.

Could do without his personal opinion and speculation.

Posted by: makalb18 | February 7, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

I'd have to agree that the whole coaching search and decision was destined to be a disaster the minute Cowher stuck to his guns and said, "no thanks, i'm staying out of football for another year". Period.

There were NO other "sure things" or no-brainers out there. I didn't like GggW, or more accurately stated, I was ambivalent about him and the prospect of him being HC. The proven talent pool wasn't out there. Mora -- his team did worse every year he was coaching. Fassel -- no one else wants. Mooch -- fired by the Lions (granted, he did have the deck stacked against him with the second worse GM of all time, Matt Millen -- the worst being Isiah Thomas). Then a bunch of no names, unprovens.

Uggghhhh.

Posted by: carocanesfan | February 7, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

"It was a very thorough process, and in the end it was just agreed that he would stay in New York. The Redskins are a first class organization, but Steve's heart was in New York, with his players and coaches."


This thorough process has got to be an inside joke know.

Thorough process = I just used Dan to get a big pay day from a real football team.


Well we have gone from

Gibbs to Fassel
Saunders to Zorn
Williams to Blache (this is not too bad)

GM Gibbs to GM VinnyDan (Death blow)

Posted by: mul | February 7, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Doomed to 8-8 forever...

Posted by: CHICO13

That is very optimistic!

3 to 6 wins a year for 3 to 4 years.

Posted by: mul | February 7, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

ChrisLarry, this is one instance that I actually have to agree with Barno....JLC is negative 99% of the time about the Skins. And while I know there has not been much to be positive about, he was dissing us when good things were happening.

Not to mention that I was reporting the info on Spags today before HE did. I got it from the "other" paper.

Posted by: Lisa | February 7, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

What is Snyder's plane number?

Posted by: ChickHernandez1 | February 7, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Really Spagnoulo is really a loss? The guy has more DL talent than he can put on the field. It is easy to call plays when you get so much pressure from your front four. My gut tells me that he knew he is not ready and wanted to play it safe in NY.

Fassel has HC experience and took his team to the SB. Will he be good for the Redskins, who knows, but don't act like we just lost Lombardi!

Posted by: BT23 | February 7, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

After this circus there isn't a qualified applicant for HC that would touch this job with a ten foot pole. They do know the draft is in about two months, right?

Posted by: CHICO13 | February 7, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Hey, I don't mind opinion. Bring it on. If there are rumors or whispers going around I want to hear that, too. Why would you read this blog if you didn't want opinion or rumor-mongering?

I do object to taking cheap shots at the Redskins and calling them facts. I like Jason, but this has become a theme in everything he writes. It's old and tired. When Peter King notices it, it's gone on too long.

Stop the nonsense!

Posted by: Joe_in_Raleigh | February 7, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

OK how long does Fassel last?

I think 2 years.

Posted by: mul | February 7, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

"It was a very thorough process, and in the end it was just agreed that he would stay in New York. The Redskins are a first class organization, but Steve's heart was in New York, with his players and coaches."

Translation:

"That creepy midget and his lapdog vinny locked went on for hours pretending like they knew anything about football. I couldn't wait to leave. The Redskins organization is F'd as in proper F'd as long as that egomaniac is in charge. I never realized just how lucky I have it up in New York where the Mara family is first class and doesn't like to GM. Good riddance"

Posted by: Skinz | February 7, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

It would seem the much to the delight of Jla the ravens have leap frogged us again.

Posted by: mul | February 7, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

What a joke of an organization. Snyder, the business whiz kid, has made the head coaching position of the most valuable professional football franchise the least desirable job in the NFL. A retarded monkey could run this place better.

We'll be lucky to get 7-9 next year.

Posted by: Eagle2X | February 7, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

"When asked what about Jim Fassel intrigued Danny "The Boy" Snyder, the response was: 'He said yes!'"

what a joke. no real talent would coach for those bozos. I'm all for the boycott. it's the only thing the Boy Blunder understands. MONEY!

Posted by: lbenswanger | February 7, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

I really should proof read.

Posted by: Skinz | February 7, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Gibbs resigned, because he knew Vinny's promotion was in the works.

Posted by: Sports_Guru | February 7, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Old Ball Coach II time lol
("hey I told you he could play...")

Posted by: dsda3731 | February 7, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

i find it hard to believe it will be Fassel. if so, i'll stand corrected. the funny thing is Jason L keeps putting up new post after post saying that Fassel is the front runner because you guys will post, rant and rave about your disdain for the guy. just like controversy sells papers, it creates major blog discussion. at the end of the day, like it or not, if its him, the die-hards are going to roll with it until snyder says otherwise.

Posted by: gregskins | February 7, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

BRING BACK MARTY BALL!!!!!

THAT'S OUR ONLY HOPE NOW!!!!!

Posted by: carocanesfan | February 7, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

So I guess this is the point where we give up hope of getting a decent (Non-Fassel) Head Coach, and face up o reality.

This isn't how I wanted to start my Friday.

Posted by: kost52 | February 7, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

WHY HAS THE TEAM NOT BEEN DISBANDED???

I DEMAND THAT THEY BE STRICKEN FROM THE RECORD BOOKS FOR ETERNITY!!!!!!!!

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 7, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

I come here to get dude's "inside" information ... which he is good at.

Could do without his personal opinion and speculation.

Posted by: makalb18 | February 7, 2008 03:43 PM

The best journalism STARTS as speculation, but the reporter needs to follow up, confirm with X number of independent sources, etc. (depending on the paper). The clarity of "information" (esp. inside) develops over time.

Question for Lisa re: negativity, how would YOU spin what's been happening ... i.e., in a positive or neutral way ... other than as a devaluing of the HC position.

Posted by: dcsween | February 7, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

"the ravens have leap frogged us again"

In what way? Were they awarded 5 more wins on the season? What players have they acquired since they failed to make the playoffs? Because they hired the DB coach from the Eagles?

Not trying to start an argument, I just don't understand what this means.

Posted by: Joe_in_Raleigh | February 7, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

I'm telling you, there's more to why Gibbs quit. he's being nice about it and no one is following up with the investigative reporting. Snyder is clueless about football, Cerrato a total failure as an executive, and they did not allow Gibbs to do what had to be done or else Saunders would have been gone a long time ago and Williams would be OBC (Old Ball Coach).

Come to think of it, they need to rename the position. Clearly, with all of the assistants and so on hired, they don't have a "head coach". What they're looking for is a face. So call it OBC .

Posted by: dsda3731 | February 7, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

MOOOOOOOOCH

Posted by: leevi98 | February 7, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs bailed in the early 1990's when he foresaw the team taking a nosedive. I truly believe that. Left while the getting was good. I hope he isnt'/wasn't feeling the same way.

I don't think we're headed for disaster, even if Fossil is the coach. But we are certainly NOT a move or two away from the SuperBowl!

Posted by: carocanesfan | February 7, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

I hope Dan Snyder is really conducting a thorough search and not looking for some glamorous name. I also hope he realize his money is losing the power it once had. And, in that since, humble him to make it necessary to think instead of spending big buck$.

One thing I can say about this is, NFL coaches are a fraternity. These coaches being interviewed possibly contacted or know somebody that coached under Steve Spurrier, Greg Williams, Norv Turner, Marty Schottenheimer or Joe Gibbs for that matter to get an edge about Dan Snyder.

If he dog this next coach, word will spread so fast among themselves (Coach in in DC) to stay away as far as possible from this organization.

Posted by: clifton16 | February 7, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

How is it that the entire world has figured out that this front office structure and I use that term losely) is beyond repair and Synder still resists hiring a GM?

At this rate, the Redskins will never be a first-class organization under the current ownership. The only thing left to do is for the fans to stop forking over money to Snyder, which is about the only thing that's worked for him.

Posted by: dayard_46 | February 7, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

I'm telling you, there's more to why Gibbs quit.

I'm telling you, you're an idiot. What part of his grandson having Leukemia don't you get??

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 7, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

I agree that the front office is in disarray and a complete joke but i find it hard to believe that if Spags was offered the job he would have turned it down. More likely this was a face saving way for him to withdraw (like Mora) and still lever that into cash from the giants. If the giants knew there was no offer, no need to offer him a raise because no $$ will be enough to prevent him from taking a head coaching job next year, etc.

Also,

1) He would have probably been offered 1-2M more a year than the giants offer and as a first year coordinator that difference has got to be a big deal

2) We were 9-7 and salary cap not withstanding its pretty rare to inherit a playoff caliber team

3) Yes he doesn't get to hire all the assistant coaches while that stinks for him, surely wasn't a deal breaker.

4) To the extent family is important, DC is relatively close to NY and Philly so he gets to stay on the east coast

So despite all Snyder's meddling I don't think this would prevent all but the Cowhlers of the world from taking a shot.

Posted by: patchm | February 7, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

It will not be Fassel. Does anyone have the link to the REdskin1 flight log?

Posted by: greg_hughes90 | February 7, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Obi Wan Kenobi is our only hope. We are engulfed in the Dark Side...

Posted by: countystyle | February 7, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Sp a C cord...decides to stay in his comfort zone and now everyone thinks i will definitely Fassel? I'm not so sure ..I mean they didnt offer Spags the Job....so what does that mean? I sure hope it is not Mr. Jim...but really guys....it could be worse....It could be Jerry Glanville!!!!!

Posted by: leevi98 | February 7, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Anyone ready to argue that we wouldn't be better off TODAY if Marty Ball had remained in place? Including bringing back Gibbs 2.0?

I say that the franchise would have been FAR better off if the Danny had stuck with Marty Schottenheimer instead of dumping him for the "OBC" and the HOF'er!

Posted by: carocanesfan | February 7, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

"the ravens have leap frogged us again"

In what way? Were they awarded 5 more wins on the season? What players have they acquired since they failed to make the playoffs? Because they hired the DB coach from the Eagles?

Not trying to start an argument, I just don't understand what this means.

Posted by: Joe_in_Raleigh

They kept there DC. They have a good GM, I believe. The manage to hire a coach! They have high draft picks. VinnyDan if history and the present is any gauge will not do well this off season.

But they might be as bad as us next year. I think there fans only laugh when talking about there offense. Fassel had a crack at that.

Posted by: mul | February 7, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

gregskins

well said.....

Posted by: Oldschool | February 7, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

ATTENTION DAN SNYDER AND CREW: The way this front office has conducted itself is widely considered a disaster and embarassing, not just by your fans but by the NFL community. If you really care about the Redskins, hire a GM!!!!!!!!! let someone else make football decisions and just hang out and watch the team win...what could be easier???

Posted by: halbert | February 7, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

I hate Damn Snyder

Posted by: tfrank | February 7, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

I am not being argumentative here, just curious what/where did Peter King say about Janso...

I missed that.

Posted by: chrislarry | February 7, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

I say that the franchise would have been FAR better off if the Danny had stuck with Marty Schottenheimer instead of dumping him for the "OBC" and the HOF'er!

Posted by: carocanesfan

Marty can not draft for s**t. So if he stayed it might not have worked. But he is a fine coach.

Posted by: mul | February 7, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

So if he stayed it might not have worked. But he is a fine coach.

Posted by: mul | February 7, 2008 04:08 PM

As long as you ignore his playoff record, that is.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 7, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Just went out and walked down Main Street of my town naked so everyone could point and laugh. I figure this will best help me assimilate to the reaction I will get from people when they find out I am a Redskins fan after the Fassel announcement.

Posted by: mofass79 | February 7, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Friends,

Don't take your focus off the task at hand! It isn't Jasno, its Fa'Sul, Napoleon Un-Dynamite, and Vinny "Ventriloquist" Cerrato. This franchise puts the 'dys' in dysfunctional. Answer this; why can't Snyder put up the HC candidates at the Ritz? Doesn't anyone find it weird he houses them on his complex. It goes back to control, and no self respecting person would lead this team.

Posted by: duh2mag | February 7, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Czaben is defending Joe White from the AP who JLaC is saying he's story is erroneous.....

Czabe says Joe White is pretty thorough (sp?).......

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 7, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

What happens if Fassell comes in and is successful? I mean, what if he comes in and improves the offense, improves JCampbell, what then??

Couldn't we all just take a collective breath, and actually let the coach GET NAMED, and some games GET PLAYED, before we pass judgement, or is that just way to logical and rational??

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 7, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Very Funny MoFass!! Too bad you look so wrong naked, though

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 7, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

For someone who can't draft for s*#t, he seemed to do quite well in San Diego. I'd rather have their "talent", for the most part than ours....

Not saying we don't have good players or that we haven't made some good decisions, but seriously....

Posted by: carocanesfan | February 7, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

The Danny is a loser. He has taken what was a beautiful franchise, and turned it into a national embarrassment. Danny destroys what he touches, everywhere. Danny needs to sell the team and just.go.away. and take Vinny with him.

Posted by: injera66 | February 7, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Old ideas

Boycott Redskins stores and there money making ventures.
Anti Snyder and Vinny songs.
Put on something Pink to the Games if you go.
Don't buy beer or parking if you go to the games.
Anti Snyder T-shirts.

Then we will see what happens.

Posted by: mul | February 7, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

For someone who can't draft for s*#t, he seemed to do quite well in San Diego. I'd rather have their "talent", for the most part than ours....


Posted by: carocanesfan

They have a top GM who hired Norv. he he

Marty did not draft in SD.

Posted by: mul | February 7, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

or is that just way to logical and rational??

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 7, 2008 04:15 PM

Of course! Why should logic and rationality rule?

Posted by: Markin21132 | February 7, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

I think SD is the still the most 'talented' team out there still.

I don't think they are kicking themselves over Eli. But Eli is OK.

Posted by: mul | February 7, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Snyder worshipped Gibbs. He kept his hands out of the batter. Now Gibbs is gone. Only one solution. Hire another coach who Snyder idolizes. Anyone have Vince Lombardi on speed dial?

Posted by: sheidt99 | February 7, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

danny boy, please gfy

Posted by: epdaly | February 7, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Judging by how thorough everyone says the process is, sounds like Dan is interviewing his guts out!

Posted by: Alan4 | February 7, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

What happens if Fassell comes in and is successful? I mean, what if he comes in and improves the offense, improves JCampbell, what then??

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 7, 2008 04:15 PM

Then Jim Zorn will have been a great hire and Joe Gibbs will have looked like a genius evaluator of talent. As far as I'm concerned, Jim Fassel will not be the 2nd coming, unless he creates a dynasty. He'll be another Coughlin in my book, always overshadowed by his assistants. (Nobody truly believes Coughlin would've been successful this year without Spags)

I was actually writing that to be semi-sarcastic, but the more I wrote, the more I actually believed myself. Fassel will never be fully embraced here. He may be successful and may be liked, but if it happens, it will be "because of his supporting cast." Sad, but ultimately true I believe.

Posted by: psps23 | February 7, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

This nightmare keeps getting more and more absurd. What makes this beyond hopeless is that Snyder is beyond it all. I've never been a fan of Sally Jenkins but she called it like it is in her column today. Snyder is every idoitic thing about rich morons rolled into one midget package. What a complete tool.

Posted by: kmag1 | February 7, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

As much as I hate to say it, Seattle has one of the best organizations in the NFL. Obviously, the 'Skins do not, but for Mora to choose his hometown team is hardly surprising.

Posted by: PDiddy | February 7, 2008 02:39 PM

Diddy, none of the decisions to reject Snyder are surprising. That's the sad thing and pretty good backup for Jasno's "devaluation" analysis. Tirico and others are saying exactly the same thing. Being HC of the skins is no longer an ELITE gig.

Not the LEAST of it is Danny, but following right up there behind (no Vinny jokes, here, please) is being in the NFC East. Philly is a tough Out, Dallas is LOADED and the Gints are the freaking SB Champs.

The ONLY thing that can compete against those teams is a powerful independent smart Genius Coach guy, matched with a brilliant personnel/GM type to bring in the proper bodies, and an owner with deep pockets.

skins are one for three.

Posted by: corkczar | February 7, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

anyone excired about Lost tonight....I am!

Posted by: chrislarry | February 7, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

I'm going to go with the rational people here...althought Fassel isn't my first chouce...I do believe he is still a good choice and he and Jim Zorn can work together to improve Campbell. Lets face it...a little more production from the offense in a more consistent manner and we're back up top. Losing so many close games this year hurt us when our offense couldn't score. So everyone just needs to be patient and wait...

Posted by: svxcountry | February 7, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: the_squire | February 7, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

It's soooo obvious people!!!

Danny flying to Phoenix to pick up SHAQ!!

Player/Head Coach

He's just the tall receiver we need!!

Posted by: filmchis | February 7, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Snyder is every idoitic thing about rich morons rolled into one midget package. What a complete tool.

Posted by: kmag1 | February 7, 2008 04:26 PM

That's funny!

Posted by: jeffjwb | February 7, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully Snyder will soon figure out that all the money in the world won't change the fact that he's a douchebag

Posted by: ArlingtonHokie | February 7, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse


This just in:

Washington Redskins Owner, Danniel Snyder, is interviewing himself. He is sitting indian style on the floor of his raquet ball court and Vinny Cerrato is holding up a full length mirror as Snyder asks questions while wearing an oversized football helmet. He then removes the helmet and answers his own question. Then places the helmet back on, and so forth.

Vinny claps and cheers him on.


Posted by: the_squire | February 7, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Why has Snyder not interviewed Mike Singletary? Not that Mike will talk to him now.

Posted by: Lisa | February 7, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Prediction-

In the presser, Fassel will say that he green-lighted Blache and Zorn.

He will say that he was in touch with the dynamic duo through the entire process.

Perfect cover for the clowns, plus Fassel will have no choice but to lie for them.

Posted by: gdennie | February 7, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

No need to insult the guy as a person ... its the actions (and inactions) that make the man. Also, a buddy just sent me this "insider" photo of the head coaching search

Posted by: dcsween | February 7, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Cork -- you hit on a small but good point. The NFC east is tough. McNabb and Reid are proven winners -- and Westbrook is outstanding. The Eagles have had injury issues and suck at WR, but there defense is good. Down the stretch, they were pretty tough. 8-8 against the toughest schedule in the NFL is not shabby.

Dallas and the Jints are obviously both top teams.

Any coach accepting the job would know that the playoffs are expected, because that is where they were last year. Anything less and they are on the firing line. But the Skins could easily be last in the division.

The one saving grace ... they have a pretty weak schedule next season. Outside of the division, its the NFC West and AFC North and I think the other 2 games are Carolina and Det -- only 3 of 10 teams with winning records..

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 7, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

the_squire,

that is hilarious.

Posted by: saltynuts | February 7, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Barno - you are the most weakminded 14 year old I've ever seen posting on the internets. If this blog is so offensive to you, why do you spend so much time on it, day after day after day?

Posted by: sheidt99 | February 7, 2008 03:19 PM

I guess Joe in Raleigh, and 4th floor, and Makalb18, and all the other people on here who have criticized Jason's reporting from time to time don't need to be questioned as to why they are here. Nah, just barno.

Posted by: barno | February 7, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

No need to insult the guy as a person ... its the actions (and inactions) that make the man. Also, a buddy just sent me this "insider" photo of the head coaching search

Posted by: dcsween | February 7, 2008 04:37 PM

And when you look closer, what do you see?

http://indianabeer.com/NewsPics2004/News1222GrolschCrash2.jpg

NOOOOO!!!! DAMN YOU DANNY!!!!

Posted by: kost52 | February 7, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

JLC - the only spin is from you.

Williams wasn't offered the job.
Neither was Saunders.
You wrote that Spags wasn't offered.

How does all that support the gig being "devalued" ? The quality of your reporting is what is devalued.

Posted by: cabraman | February 7, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

I love the posts calling for Jason to be fired. Do you realize how popular this blog is? And how much advertising revenue Jason's generating?

They'd fire Woodward before they'd fire him.

Posted by: info | February 7, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Way to go Spag! He is a very smart fellow. One would have to be nuts to head coach for little napoleon. Just look at the trail of ruined coaches since snyder took over.

Posted by: adrienne_najjar | February 7, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

yeah just Barno

Posted by: chrislarry | February 7, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

I love the posts calling for Jason to be fired. Do you realize how popular this blog is? And how much advertising revenue Jason's generating?

They'd fire Woodward before they'd fire him.

Posted by: info | February 7, 2008 04:46 PM

I love the posts claiming the reason for this blog's popularity is because of Jason. Let's see Jason do a blog on another subject on another website and see how popular it remains. I'm sorry buddy, but this blog is popular for 2 reasons and 2 reasons only:

1) it's a blog about the Redskins
2) it's on the washington post's website

Posted by: barno | February 7, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

I think everybody is going a bit overboard here....Fassel Is not that bad of a coach....If indeed he is the man...It could be worse...at least he is a hungry coach who would have motivation to get back to the SB inwhich he lost in his one appearence and would love to play the G-men once a year...he knows the division....he has won this division a few times. He went to playoffs consistantly and not last min 6th seed..I mean he is not the worst choice out there by any means...it could be Jerrt Glanville...then it will be time to panic!

Posted by: leevi98 | February 7, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

I think everybody is going a bit overboard here....Fassel Is not that bad of a coach....If indeed he is the man...It could be worse...at least he is a hungry coach who would have motivation to get back to the SB inwhich he lost in his one appearence and would love to play the G-men once a year...he knows the division....he has won this division a few times. He went to playoffs consistantly and not last min 6th seed..I mean he is not the worst choice out there by any means...it could be Jerry Glanville...then it will be time to panic!

Posted by: leevi98 | February 7, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Snyder puts everyone on hold for two weeks just to interview Spags. The ONLY reason Danny can do that is because there is no other opening. Danny has zero competition. So he puts everyone into a holding pattern over one specific guy ... and then doesn't hire him.

Can't you just feel the love that the other candidates must have for Danny? Or the players and current coaches?

I'm guessing GG is probably feeling some relief to be out of this zoo.

It also tells you something about Joe Gibbs as a leader. Look what he held together and how much damage Danny has done in just a few weeks without Gibbs.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 7, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

This Fassel thinbg is the biggest joke I've ever seen, people are now saying the Redskins are the worst run team in professional sports. All danny boy wants is buddy as his head coach, Fassel is a joke and hasn't gotten a sniff from anybody in four years (Billick even fired him after six games)!

Posted by: mjlok2 | February 7, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Wait. Fassel is a man?

Posted by: sheidt99 | February 7, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Steve,

I really wish I hadn't bored you into no longer being pro-barno. I will now try my best to win you back with entertaining, non-anti-Jasno posts in the near future!

Seriously.

Posted by: barno | February 7, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

I'm sorry buddy, but this blog is popular for 2 reasons and 2 reasons only:

1) it's a blog about the Redskins
2) it's on the washington post's website

Posted by: barno | February 7, 2008 04:51 PM

3) Barno's great insights to the events of the day and what makes the world turn

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 7, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Spags is an idiot. He turned down a job that would have made him richer than he will ever now be. He is a flash in the pan and when the New York Giants are 6-10 next year and he fades back into obscurity where he was about 2 weeks ago, he is going to regret his choice.

Posted by: sams3 | February 7, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

JLC - the only spin is from you.

Williams wasn't offered the job.
Neither was Saunders.
You wrote that Spags wasn't offered.

How does all that support the gig being "devalued" ? The quality of your reporting is what is devalued.

Posted by: cabraman | February 7, 2008 04:45 PM

Now now. You better watch yourself with comments like that Mr. Cabraman, if that is your real name!

Posted by: barno | February 7, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Ah Cowher and Carrol weren't going to coach in the NFL this year anyway. Snyder gained alot of knowledge interviewing Spags.


Snyder got Fassil's approval to hire Zorn and Blache

I believe Fassil was the scapegoat in Baltimore. They have never had an offense.

Fassil took the Giants to the Super Bowl. He might be a good coach here. We have a franchise QB entering his prime with a solid defense.

Posted by: jhess18 | February 7, 2008 02:51 PM

Absolutely HATE to say it, but that solid defense walked out the door with GG. He was a master at masking our deficiencies. Take a good long subjective look at our personnel, we're in deep trouble.

Posted by: tcerand | February 7, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Crikey! Posted this on the old thread first by mistake...

You know what would be funny? Fassel winning a Super Bowl with the Redskins. I'm not saying it'll happen, but nobody thought the Jints would beat the Pats either. Sorry, I just need some sort of good thought after all the doom and gloom I keep talking, hearing and reading. I don't want Fassel but I'd love it if I were wrong about him.

Posted by: countystyle | February 7, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Yeah he had an AMAZING game plan against the pats. Um you three guys go hit Tom Brady, the rest of you cover. He is a guru. It wasn't at all that the Giants have possibly the three best pass rushers in the NFL on their line.

Posted by: sams3 | February 7, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

I can't resist this little bit of conspiracy theory hehehehe. Picture this Daniel Snyder wants Jim Fassel to be his next head coach and is prepared to make him an offer. There is the equivalent of an online riot at the news. Snyder puts Fassel on ice for a couple of weeks to let things cool off, all the wile working with Fassel behind the scenes putting together a staff. In full view of the media Snyder has a dog and pony show interviewing guys like Mooch, Mora, Meeks and Spags. He draws out the interviews so long that these candidates turn down the job offers. Now Fassel gets the job but the spin will be "He wasn't our first choice". LOL If I were a betting man this is how I think it will play out.

Posted by: crazyhorse19682003 | February 7, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dcsween | February 7, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

One time when I was growing up in Florida, we killed a water moccasin and I dropped it onto a nearby fire ant mound. I went back to the fire ant mound a few days later, and all that was left was the snake's skeleton.

Those ants sure were thorough.

Posted by: freakzilla | February 7, 2008 03:00 PM

Very entertaining parable! I'm not very literary, but I take away from this nugget of wisdom:

fire ants = Snyder/Cerrato
dead water moccasin = HC position

Posted by: Alan4 | February 7, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Obi Wan Kenobi is our only hope. We are engulfed in the Dark Side...

Posted by: countystyle | February 7, 2008 04:05 PM

Well, we're in luck!

Obi Wan lives in Portland, now goes by the name "Nate," and posts here.

Posted by: freakzilla | February 7, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Ethan Albright: The first ever Franchise Ginger-Kid

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 7, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Leevi -- your partly right on Fassel. His record isn't bad and he's an OK coach. But the problem with this club won't be the head coach. It is the owner who doesn't understand what is valuable.

Having a coach the players can trust and believe in is most important. The Skins had that in Gibbs. The players believed in GG because he respected them, and made them better. GG had every characteristic of an excellent leader for this team. Whether GG would have held up, know one really knows.

A good manager doesn't get rid of leaders like that. People have seen Danny for what he is. Gibbs kept the real Danny at bay ... but no longer. So the HC, whoever he is, won't have the locker room in the way GG would. Which means the HC is in trouble form day 1.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 7, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

What a GIANT(S) cluster-fu&k

All pun intended

Posted by: jontp007 | February 7, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Ethan Albright? Isn't that some kind of furniture store?

Posted by: youcrew | February 7, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

I would love it if Fassel called a Press Conference.

"I'm announcing that I'm accepting the Offensive Coordinator position with Savannah State, and withdrawing my name from the Redskins job *flips bird at Camera 3* How do you like dem apples Danny Boy!!!"

Posted by: kost52 | February 7, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Ethan Albright? Isn't that some kind of furniture store?

I think you're thinking of Terry Allen.

Posted by: countystyle | February 7, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

sure - his grandson.

So that's why he's now actively running Joe Gibbs Racing?

if it was his grandson, he wouldn't be at the track.

Posted by: dsda3731 | February 7, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Ethan Albright: The first ever Franchise Ginger-Kid

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 7, 2008 05:03 PM


Technically he's a daywalker.

Posted by: freakzilla | February 7, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Don't know if this has been posted yet but here goes...

An NFL source said that John Palermo, who coached at Notre Dame in 1988-89 when Redskins executive vice president Vinny Cerrato was the recruiting coordinator, will be hired as Washington's defensive line coach, filling the void created by Greg Blache's promotion to defensive coordinator last month.


Palermo, now at the University of Miami, has coached in bowls in 17 of his 27 seasons. He coached Big Ten Defensive Players of the Year Erasmus James and Wendell Bryant at Wisconsin and Lombardi Trophy winner Chris Zorich, later a Redskin, at Notre Dame. Palmero was head coach at Austin Peay in 1990.

Fillin' her up with Cerracronies.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 7, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

You guys didn't really think they were gonna hire Spags did you?

I really though it would be Mooch but since there has been nothing and I mean NOTHING reported about his interview I think Danny played it perfectly.

He had everyone cool their jets about Fassel while he proceeded to hire the staff Fassel wants. This means none of the other candidates (at least the ones with experience) would be interested. He gets the HC he wants, the HC gets the staff he wants and we just want it to be over. Pretty savy PR move.

Posted by: Pthomas2mm | February 7, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

The Terry Albright Showroom Gallery!

(Back to lurking, where I belong!)

Posted by: youcrew | February 7, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Does Albright have a nickname?

Posted by: kost52 | February 7, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

the red snapper

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 7, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse


Go after Jimmy Johnson. Doubtful but what were the odds of Gibbs return. Just because snyder is taking his time so what.
Johnson would want full control, GM all personel, coaches (lots of buyouts) snyder needs pre-nups with everyone.
What sounds impossible is only undone because you had a mindset of no possible way.
"WHERESGIBBS"

Posted by: tammanyhall2109 | February 7, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Of course, I knew that.

Posted by: kost52 | February 7, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

POSTED 5:19 p.m. EST, February 7, 2008

FASSEL HIRE COMING?

A league source tells us that the private plane of Redskins owner Daniel Snyder currently is on the way to Scottsdale, Arizona.

It's believed that the goal of the flight is to retrieve Arizona resident Jim Fassel, and to bring him back to Washington for introduction as the team's next head coach.

Stay tuned.

Posted by: tlehtone | February 7, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

By the way stop with the Cap hell posts. Jla had a post over a month ago that the Skins are fine. Restructuring deals is how it's done. Players love to restructure. They get more guaranteed money. It's a business and Danny has ALOT of good will left over from how he handled the ST tragedy. I think the players like Danny more than the fans do.

Posted by: Pthomas2mm | February 7, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

I think LPD (little prick danny) is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

The best owner a fan could ever have. My nose is brown. Why doesn't he pay attention to me?

Now, all extreme skins fans why would spagnoulp0 not be hired? BeCAUE Fassel is AWESOME!

There is no better coach out there. He took the Giants to THE SUPER BOWL! Anyone who thinks Fassel is a bad choice is WRONG!


sniffle....sniffle....

Posted by: redskins0and16 | February 7, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Ethan Albright? Isn't that some kind of furniture store?

I think you're thinking of Terry Allen.

Posted by: countystyle | February 7, 2008 05:11 PM


That was classic, nice one.

Posted by: Skinz | February 7, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

By the way stop with the Cap hell posts. Jla had a post over a month ago that the Skins are fine. Restructuring deals is how it's done. Players love to restructure. They get more guaranteed money. It's a business and Danny has ALOT of good will left over from how he handled the ST tragedy. I think the players like Danny more than the fans do.

Posted by: Pthomas2mm | February 7, 2008 05:24 PM

Let's hope you're right.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 7, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

You know....I think Spags is probably too tALL for LPD to hire. Being 5-2", he was probaly intimidated by his gargantuan 5-8" height...

Posted by: redskins0and16 | February 7, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Skins fans, lets boycott Reskins merchandise if Jim Fossil is hired, if Daniel Snyder is going to going to arrogantly not let the fans voice have any sort of vote we should make some small voice of protest by not purchasing skins merchandise!!!

Posted by: icebluebeast | February 7, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Hey JLaC, why can't you tell us who got on that F@#*ing plane in 'Zona?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 7, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Skins fans, lets boycott Reskins merchandise if Jim Fossil is hired, if Daniel Snyder is going to going to arrogantly not let the fans voice have any sort of vote we should make some small voice of protest by not purchasing skins merchandise!!!

Posted by: icebluebeast | February 7, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Skins fans, lets boycott Reskins merchandise if Jim Fossil is hired, if Daniel Snyder is going to going to arrogantly not let the fans voice have any sort of vote we should make some small voice of protest by not purchasing skins merchandise!!!

Posted by: icebluebeast | February 7, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

I'll watch the games and cheer (or cry) for the team but I'm not buying anymore of their crap (ie, jerseys, hats, socks for my mom, sweaters for the dog...)

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 7, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

profootballtalk.com says ...

POSTED 5:19 p.m. EST, February 7, 2008

FASSEL HIRE COMING?

A league source tells us that the private plane of Redskins owner Daniel Snyder currently is on the way to Scottsdale, Arizona.

It's believed that the goal of the flight is to retrieve Arizona resident Jim Fassel, and to bring him back to Washington for introduction as the team's next head coach.

Stay tuned.

Posted by: dcsween | February 7, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

I know I am. They already started and there's about twelve more contracts to restructure. EVERY year we here about how far over the cap The Skins are. I'm not saying they won't take a hit for Receiver, The but they had a plan before the season was over. The Skins were supposed to be in cap hell for the last 5-6 years hasn't happened.

Posted by: Pthomas2mm | February 7, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse


Skins fans, lets boycott Reskins merchandise if Jim Fossil is hired,
Posted by: icebluebeast | February 7, 2008 05:30 PM

Wear skins merchandise? I was going to wear a brownbag over my head to the game next year.

Posted by: Skinz | February 7, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Yes, not buying stuff will hurt the franchise...yeah right. This is still going to be a popular franchiuse and profitable one no matter what. You're like those fans that keep saying they are going to not renew their season tickets.

Posted by: svxcountry | February 7, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

It's obviously too far of a stretch to think that it's there to get Grimm. I hope it explodes before it gets there. Lord knows I would hate for Fassel to be on it when that happens.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 7, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Yes, not buying stuff will hurt the franchise...yeah right. This is still going to be a popular franchiuse and profitable one no matter what. You're like those fans that keep saying they are going to not renew their season tickets.

Posted by: svxcountry | February 7, 2008 05:33 P

Not even remotely similar, if I was lucky enough to live close to DC again with season tickets, I would go to every game. I'm still not buying their crap.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 7, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Fassel is the best. Just talked to LPD and his girlfri....I mean GM Vc.

They say he gives a great hummer and will let LPD call offensive plays from the owner's box like Al Davis.


I am soooooooooo Happy...

Posted by: redskins0and16 | February 7, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

good manager doesn't get rid of leaders like that. People have seen Danny for what he is. Gibbs kept the real Danny at bay ... but no longer. So the HC, whoever he is, won't have the locker room in the way GG would. Which means the HC is in trouble form day 1.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 7, 2008 05:05 PM

I disagree with you on the Subject of Greg Willaims...(Not doing the GG crap that most do on this board.)

I for one do NOT think Willaims would have been the right choice...I think that was the most positive thing to happen in the process, he was not hired as head coach. I do undertstand the play with the heart that Willaims should have been the man considering he was here when Taylor died etc etc...But just because SOME players ( I have only seen 5 players say they supported Greg out of 50 or so does not tell me the "players" ALL wanted him. First and foremost you can't let the inmates run the asylum...players should NEVER dictate who they want to be coach...that has failure written all over it. Not to mention ...it should never be ignored that Williams was a COMPLETE failure as a head coach before...and he also gets too much credit for what really happened over the last four years. I mean seriously! The defense was good with the stats on papaer but the rwality of it was they caved all four years when the game was on the line....ALWAYS letting teams comeback and score. Even in the last game Vs the Seahawks..what happened? Greg Williams Defense allowed the one dimensional Seashawks offesne to march right down the field and take the lead after the missed fg..THAT WAS THE APRT THEY ARE SUPPOSE TO STOP THE OTHER TEAM...Thast a sign of a great defense..stop them when it counts...Greg's defesnse did that very few times in 4 years. Greg Williams also ran Lavar out of town...let Walt go. pierce go and brought in Adamterribletta, and the Middle lb who was pretty much done in his career that that gave Pierce the chance. It was not like he saw Priece was good...he plugged him in cause he had to..all this because he was too cocky and thought he could plug anyone in! Oh yeah lets not give him too much credit for all four years, his defense was almost dead last the third year!

My point is...The ONLY people in the world who think Wialliams should have been the coach is Redskin fans...Thats it.....This team would have sucked under Greg...He was an awful HC...but decent cord. But his defesnse let down most of the time whne the game was on the line...I'm glad thyte did not hire Greg.

Posted by: leevi98 | February 7, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Janso talked about how the Skins do well with cap/restructures? I thought he was always negative...

So the air is getting thinner up here...were all like fish caught in a tank with diminishing water...the bad crazyness is all around us...

screams to Hire Jimmy Hohnso, barry switzer, barry alveraz, terry robiskie, Bear Bryant, Charlie McCarthy will become louder, more paranoid...frantic

by tomorrow at 3PM when the inevidble happens folks will be clawing for the door screaming for sanity, pledging to blow Tony Romo just for the chance to jump allegiences....

get ready RI, strap on the crash helmets, brush up on your latin, put in your storm windows...


A baaaad wind is about to blow!

Posted by: chrislarry | February 7, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

wait...so you spend hundreds and thousands on tickets but you won't buy a 20 dollar hat/shirt? Hmm...way to stick to 'em!

Posted by: svxcountry | February 7, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: leevi98 | February 7, 2008 05:35 PM

How much does LPD pay you? Slobberer....

Posted by: redskins0and16 | February 7, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

What's wrong with "GG"?

One of my favoritest people in the whole world is named "Gregg" and I endearingly call him "Double G". "GG" is just shorthand for a coach who I really like...

I also loved "Man Boobs", but, again, out of affection and humor more than anything.

Posted by: PDiddy | February 7, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Fassel takes a job with a team that has an established defense and a struggling offense (Bmore?). Wait this time he's a HC and has some actual talent on the O side of the ball. he has an actual NFL qb, 2 running backs, a tight end, 2 wide outs and a killer O line coach with returning veteran O line and a bunch of draft picks. Sounds like a pretty good gig if you can get it.

Posted by: Pthomas2mm | February 7, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

GG's boobs were sexy. LPD told me so. They had a thing.

But LPD is a lovin' and leavin' type o guy

Posted by: redskins0and16 | February 7, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

I'm not saying I'll go out and buy a "Fassel for Coach" pajama set but still...a couple people refusing to buy merchandise is not gonna hurt. $5 here, $5 there. Ticket sales COULD hurt but face it...they will ALWAYS sell out. When have they not? 30 years ago?

Posted by: svxcountry | February 7, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

man boobs is a classic..but he went down a cup size or two last season so I felt bad still calling him that. Wow, this really blows.

Posted by: jeffhayes | February 7, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

wait...so you spend hundreds and thousands on tickets but you won't buy a 20 dollar hat/shirt? Hmm...way to stick to 'em!

Posted by: svxcountry | February 7, 2008 05:37 PM

Yes, to see the team, NOT to line Dannyboy's pockets.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 7, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

My point is...The ONLY people in the world who think Wialliams should have been the coach is Redskin fans...Thats it.....This team would have sucked under Greg...He was an awful HC...but decent cord. But his defesnse let down most of the time whne the game was on the line...I'm glad thyte did not hire Greg.

Leevi
That was the best comment of the day.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 7, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

It's called principals. I'll watch the team (which is not LPD)but won't support the owner, even if it's just a couple hundred bucks for merchandise.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 7, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

new for 08...the Reskins head coach interview sleep over set! jammies, knee pads, rear entry blockade, and for a limited time-- the lil' Danny swaddling blanket...for when negotiations really get tough.

Posted by: jeffhayes | February 7, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

And they did sell out 30 years ago.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 7, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

haha...seeing the team IS lining Danny's pockets!

You're reasoning isn't there...just rash ranting. Its just like those who hate Fassel and base their decision on his job with B'more's offense. Who'd he have? Cripple McNair, and Boller, and his backup was can't see over my offensive line, Troy Smith.

Posted by: svxcountry | February 7, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

new for 08...the Reskins head coach interview sleep over set! jammies, knee pads, rear entry blockade, and for a limited time-- the lil' Danny swaddling blanket...for when negotiations really get tough.

Posted by: jeffhayes | February 7, 2008 05:45 PM

And for the fans... easy access rear panel and no kneepads for comfort.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 7, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

The rot starts at the top (just like a fish).

Sally Jenkins got it right as ususal today.

Posted by: i155133 | February 7, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

haha...seeing the team IS lining Danny's pockets!

You're reasoning isn't there...just rash ranting. Its just like those who hate Fassel and base their decision on his job with B'more's offense. Who'd he have? Cripple McNair, and Boller, and his backup was can't see over my offensive line, Troy Smith.

Posted by: svxcountry | February 7, 2008 05:47 PM

Hey look! Another Danny lover!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 7, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

It's called principals. I'll watch the team (which is not LPD)but won't support the owner, even if it's just a couple hundred bucks for merchandise.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 7, 2008 05:44 PM

I hate to tell you this but Snyder gets revenue from you watching the Skins on TV too. He has turned a franchise with a losing record into the the most profitable franchise in Pro sports. He has new coach, new direction he's gonna make a killing whether you buy a jersey or not and he will probably change the uniforms soon too.

Posted by: Pthomas2mm | February 7, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Looks like the PR guys are starting to creep back in.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 7, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Couldn't come up with a logical argument so you call me a "Danny Lover"? Wow...third grade, huh? I just happen to be able to do math well enough to realize like 20 dollars is less then 2000 dollars and think that would be a better way to hit his pocket.

By the way, I'm a Darrell Green Lover.

Posted by: svxcountry | February 7, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

I hate to tell you this but Snyder gets revenue from you watching the Skins on TV too. He has turned a franchise with a losing record into the the most profitable franchise in Pro sports. He has new coach, new direction he's gonna make a killing whether you buy a jersey or not and he will probably change the uniforms soon too.

Posted by: Pthomas2mm | February 7, 2008 05:50 PM


I understand this, but all I've got left in this arena is the love of our team and my motives.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 7, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

I don't love Danny. I just don't think he's the antichrist either.

Posted by: Pthomas2mm | February 7, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

i know Im right sometimes and sometimes I'm wrong...nobody is "paying "me to speak my opinion...the deal with me is ...I don't think about this with my heart like so many..my opinion is formed in facts...adn the facts i see are simple...everyone talks about consistantcy...well the facts...in 4 years...we had two playoff appearences when the plyoffs started at like week 10 then when they got there they were burnt out...no rest....I saw the defenses consistantly let teams comeback after we established leads...I saw a team that EVERY year had a mid season melt down and forced them to win 20 straight...I saw a team that sputted more than executed...so I see nothing worng with bring in some new blood. I completely undertsand what most are saying...the togetherness bulit with the death of Taylor makes everyone think with the heart...but the bottom line is and it's the truth...The run they had inspired by the Taylor death ended in seasttle...afetr weeks go by and the offseason begins...it's over...FAce everyone...just face it...Gibbs had to retire...He is gone....bringing Greg in would not have kept Gibbs' ghost here to make us all feel the hope and inspiratiuon we had under Gibbs...IT"S GONE! He is Gone nation...and hiring greg would not have brought that back....We need to move forward and stop acting like children...The FANS are making the team a laughing stock not Dan...Your whining and complaining about things you have no idea the truth of is what is making this team look bad...making other fans laugh..they are laughing at the fans reactions not dan....Grow up move forward and SUPPORT WHOMEVER takes the job...because whats worse than actaully hiring the worng guy...Is the fans not supporting him...In fact this boycott talk with merchandise...that a really great idea...What do we tell all the kids out there who want their favoite players jersey for their birthday? No we can't buy that because of the owner? GET REAL!

Posted by: leevi98 | February 7, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Fair enough, but don't threaten a pointless boycott that is ridiculous to even think about.

Posted by: svxcountry | February 7, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Couldn't come up with a logical argument so you call me a "Danny Lover"? Wow...third grade, huh? I just happen to be able to do math well enough to realize like 20 dollars is less then 2000 dollars and think that would be a better way to hit his pocket.

By the way, I'm a Darrell Green Lover.

Posted by: svxcountry | February 7, 2008 05:51 PM

Doesn't really matter, I don't have the option to buy the tickets at this point. And I am aware of how economics works. And you get love for the Darrell Green comment. As I just wrote, it's my motives and principles that i have to live with and can't quit on the team no matter how screwed up i think Danny is. So there it is.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 7, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Well said Leevi.

Posted by: svxcountry | February 7, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

By not offering the job to one of the four remaining candidates once Spags interview did not pan out shows what kind of idiots dan/vinny are. If even fossil was a serious candidate, he would have a job offer. These two clowns are showing to the world how lost they are at this process. I can see them now, huddled in their plane looking for another big name splash. Blindly flying overhead, lost.

Posted by: kerzon417 | February 7, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

I agree...I wasn't hitting on your love for the team...I'll be in the stands losing my voice once a year, every year (only get to go to one game a year). Whether it be Fassel, Meeks, or Gibbs 3.0. They have my full support.

Posted by: svxcountry | February 7, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Hey Scamp,

We are not PR guys we are true fans who support the team no matter what. Unless you have worked in an NFL front office I would say Danny and Vinny no more then you. I do not agree with alot of there choices but that does not mean they can not turn things around. Lets let this play out and see what happens since that is the only choice we have.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 7, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Grow up move forward and SUPPORT WHOMEVER takes the job...because whats worse than actaully hiring the worng guy...Is the fans not supporting him...In fact this boycott talk with merchandise...that a really great idea...What do we tell all the kids out there who want their favoite players jersey for their birthday? No we can't buy that because of the owner? GET REAL!

Posted by: leevi98 | February 7, 2008 05:53 PM

Very good point Leevi- I'm just pissed (have been for about a month) and I will try to support whomever the new coach is (Donald Duck, Mr. T, whoever)but it feels good to vent on occassion (everyone likes to yell sometime)and after 29 years of being a fan, I believe I have that right. (No matter how irrational)

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 7, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

leevi 501,

Can I pay you t throw some paragraphs or space breaks into your posts...

Posted by: chrislarry | February 7, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

I think you guys need a coach just so you can stop squabbling with one another. Then you can go back to exhibiting your disdain for other teams and the perennial Redskins commitment "to at least win the offseason".

If it's Fassel, it's Fassel. Isn't it? Good, bad or indifferent, nothing said here or on any other fan site would change that.

Sad times; for the Skins, and RI too.

Posted by: Redcoat | February 7, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Leevi98...

WELL SAID !! Kudos to you pal ! I like when a fan gets it and tells it like it is !

Posted by: Davo61 | February 7, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

But if we hire a coach then we wouldn't get to bicker...where's the fun in that?

Posted by: svxcountry | February 7, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

It's called principals. I'll watch the team (which is not LPD)but won't support the owner, even if it's just a couple hundred bucks for merchandise.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 7, 2008 05:44 PM

you are right. I love the Skins and own so much stuff with the logo I do not know what to do with.....

I can't help myself...but f LPD!!!!!!!!

Posted by: redskins0and16 | February 7, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

We would find something else to argue about. How about draft picks and free agency?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 7, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Grow up move forward and SUPPORT WHOMEVER takes the job...because whats worse than actaully hiring the worng guy...Is the fans not supporting him...In fact this boycott talk with merchandise...that a really great idea...What do we tell all the kids out there who want their favoite players jersey for their birthday? No we can't buy that because of the owner? GET REAL!

Posted by: leevi98 | February 7, 2008 05:53 PM

Very good point Leevi- I'm just pissed (have been for about a month) and I will try to support whomever the new coach is (Donald Duck, Mr. T, whoever)but it feels good to vent on occassion (everyone likes to yell sometime)and after 29 years of being a fan, I believe I have that right. (No matter how irrational)

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 7, 2008 05:59 PM
I'm pissed too...i'm pissed at the whole situation....The process...the fan reaction....But there has to be change ...as much as my heart agrees whith what other fans have said....my brain does say change is needed....

Posted by: leevi98 | February 7, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

The proof is in the record. If they actually suck on the field then Danny deserves to be excoriated. But in this hiring process he has been methodical and at the end of the day VERY smart. He will get the HC he wanted with the staff his HC wanted or could get. He even did his homework with Holmgren on Zorn. Contrary to popular perception HC don't get to pick all their staff. Ask Ditka, he won a Super Bowl but he sure didn't pick his DC.

Posted by: Pthomas2mm | February 7, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Sween, Nate, Kost, whomever, I will try to get back on later but I expect to be BUI as it's the awards dinner here tonight - and I'm not getting one. *sob*

Posted by: Redcoat | February 7, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

leevi 501,

Can I pay you t throw some paragraphs or space breaks into your posts...


Posted by: chrislarry | February 7, 2008 06:00 PM

Sorry Larry...lol your right...I get fired up and didn't take the time to proof read or make breaks...Sorry bout that

Posted by: leevi98 | February 7, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Well 11pm here in the UK and the day doesnt seem to be getting any better.
The really sad part....that is so galling, is that we cant attract any of the top quality coaches that are out there.

This is a great team with character, history, tradition and a decent base of quality playing staff....

And yet.... we are picking from the second and third tier of coaching capability.

Its so damm frustrating !!!!!

Posted by: ianb87 | February 7, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

I'm planning on the Skins picking up Randy Moss, Chad Johnson, Asante Samuel, trading Portis for Champ Bailey (again), picking up LaVar, and Danny staying on the sidelines of everything...literally...he'll be the backup QB.

Posted by: svxcountry | February 7, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Synder's a idjit. Getting what he deserves. Between he and the totally incompetent Vinny C, it's a wonder that they can field a squad at all.

The thing that sucks is that Redskins fans are so loyal they're putting up with his crap. Anywhere else and the seats would be half-full on gamedays.

As many have said, start voting with your wallet. That's the only thing Danny understands - 'cause he sure doesn't understand NFL football.

What a joke this guy is. And the rest of the league is sitting around LAUGHING. How's that make you feel, 'Skins fans?

Posted by: SavedByZero | February 7, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

I'm pissed too...i'm pissed at the whole situation....The process...the fan reaction....But there has to be change ...as much as my heart agrees whith what other fans have said....my brain does say change is needed....


Posted by: leevi98 | February 7, 2008 06:04 PM

I agree with this also. The only problem is that there has been so much change for so long that nothing has time to stick.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 7, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Regardless of whether you support a boycott or not, in the end it doesn't really matter. Dan Snyder will make money through corporate sponsoships etc, regardless.

What we all have to come to terms with is the Redskins will never win a championship as long as Dan Snyder owns the team.

i live in los angeles, and everyone here knows that the clippers will never win with the currant ownership. its all about profit... period.

One can argue that at least Snyder tries hard because he is willing to spend. i call B.S. on that. ebery high price signing only brings more media attention to his team and thus more money to his pockets.

My friends, the Redskins have the biggest cancer found in professional sports. That cancer is "Making Money Ownership" or MMO for short.

The only way to get stop it is to wait for Snyder to die or sell the team (and good luck on the latter).

Posted by: Papken28 | February 7, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

and Danny staying on the sidelines of everything...literally...he'll be the backup QB.

Posted by: svxcountry | February 7, 2008 06:06 PM

I hope he gets to play than someone could bust him up. How do we get Vinny on the field too.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 7, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat, ESPN has your boys taking QB Matt Ryan with #1 pick, instead of Dorsey. What do you reckon about that?

Posted by: kost52 | February 7, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

I would NEVER EVER boycott a game because of an owner. How do you think it would feel for you as a player to be boycotted even if you knew it was the Owner? I'll support the players.

Posted by: svxcountry | February 7, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Vinny has to be the center of course!!! Picture it...Snyder getting the snaps from Vinny.

Posted by: svxcountry | February 7, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Sween, Nate, Kost, whomever, I will try to get back on later but I expect to be BUI as it's the awards dinner here tonight - and I'm not getting one. *sob*

Posted by: Redcoat | February 7, 2008 06:05 PM


Love it! And since you're not getting an award, you can take full advantage of the free booze!

Posted by: kost52 | February 7, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Send Vinny over the middle.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 7, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat, ESPN has your boys taking QB Matt Ryan with #1 pick, instead of Dorsey. What do you reckon about that?

Posted by: kost52 | February 7, 2008 06:08 PM

Hey Kost, just about to leave but I thought I'd answer first. It's possible but unlikely. There's a strong rumour that we're very interested in Joe Flacco who would more likely go in the second round which would leave us the #1 to trade or use. That makes more sense to me as taking Ryan is going to cost us a bomb and we still have to figure out if Beck could make it or not.

Neither Ryan nor Flacco would strat yet in all likelihood but Dorsey absolutely would.

Catchulater!

Posted by: Redcoat | February 7, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Vinny should be next years wedge buster on ST.

Posted by: Papken28 | February 7, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

How long is a flight from DC to Arizona and back?

Posted by: kost52 | February 7, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

4 hours heading east and an extra half hour flying west

Posted by: Papken28 | February 7, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

9, 10 hours?

Posted by: svxcountry | February 7, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

i live in los angeles, and everyone here knows that the clippers will never win with the currant ownership. its all about profit... period.

Posted by: Papken28 | February 7, 2008 06:08 PM

First you said it yourself...you live in LA? Boy you have the pulse of the team and the fans in the area.

Second, Since when were the Clippers a money maker? LOL are you serous? Where were they listed as a valuable franchise....I see clippers jerseys and gear everywhere I go! LOL

Please

Posted by: leevi98 | February 7, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

8 1/2 hour total not including refuel... we should have the new head coach in DC by by midnight.

Posted by: Papken28 | February 7, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Well guys, I need a nap. I am starting to resign myself to at least 1 year of mediocre coaching. My head hurts, but I will continue yelling at the TV screen at 1 o'clock on Sundays when the ooportunity presents itself.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 7, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: hardhitter | February 7, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

So....if the flight was to pick up Fassel and bring him back, we still wouldn't be getting an announcement tonight?

Posted by: kost52 | February 7, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

scampbell...stay positive and hopefully our screaming will work one of these days. Hail.

Posted by: svxcountry | February 7, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Leevi, you don't get it. I live in the SF area and have seen what great owners do (DeBartolo) and sucky owners do (Yorks and Al Davis). The great ones respect their people. The sucky ones don't.

Your comment about the inmates (players) running the asylum is one that I would buy into 98% of the time. But this is that rare exception. This was not an ordinary season and what these guys accomplished was respected everywhere in football. They deserved to be listened to because they earned it.

I'm not saying GG would have been a great coach. I really don't know. I do know that he and the players were on the same page in every respect, and that is a huge deal in football.

How many guys on other teams would have been excited about joining the Redskins? A lot. How many now? A lot less.

Respect buys you a lot in football, and in life. Danny had it and then gave it up.

I wish I was wrong, but I have seen the future. Its the SF 49ers, just with a bigger payroll. The Skins have a lot of 6-10 in their future.


Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 7, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Please sign at

http://www.petitiononline.com/Redskins/petition.html

to express your resentment on Snyder.

Posted by: hardhitter | February 7, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

They should hire mooch...and if not mooch...I'd say go ahead and Hire Fassel....like I've said guys...Iy could be worse...they could be talking to Jimmy Johnson, or Buddy ryan or for god sakes Jerry Glanville ...

Actaully Dan Reeves is interesting

Posted by: leevi98 | February 7, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

HAIL!! God I love Redskins fans!

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 7, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Just found this on ES -

Mort on Sportscenter just said that he expects Snyder to send his plane to Arizona for Fassel but he has not done so yet.

Posted by: kost52 | February 7, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

What could be better? Ravens? HAHAHA.

Posted by: svxcountry | February 7, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Second, Since when were the Clippers a money maker? LOL are you serous? Where were they listed as a valuable franchise....I see clippers jerseys and gear everywhere I go! LOL

Please

Posted by: leevi98 |

based on your earlier posts,I thought you were smarter.

The majority of the money team ownership makes comes from corp deals & sposorships and not from your $20 t-shirt and hat.

If you want to have a boycott (and you'll have my support on it) than boycott the corp sponsors and let them know why.

I trust you are a Redskin fan and since i dont get to see to many on this coast, i'll hold off being a jerk, but try reading the balance sheet on the clippers or any pro team that you think doesnt make money.

You will be surprised how much they really make.

Posted by: Papken28 | February 7, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

The Skins will win it all!

Haven't you heard? It's now the Year of the CerRATo.

Posted by: info | February 7, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

To me, GG would have represented THE most important thing that a team can do, and that is respect its people when they are succeeding.

By messing up this coaching search, Danny will lose a lot. If the new coach doesn't make the playoffs, its a step back. Will Danny fire that person? Probably. He fired Marty after 8-8 on a team that was going in the right direction for his personal whim.

If GG succeeded, he would keep the job. If he failed, Danny could have gone out and gotten Cowher. And Cowher would listen because Danny demonstrated respect for his players and coaches. Now, Cowher won't ever seriously consider Danny. When the chin comes back, he'll have lots of choices. Danny won't be high on that list.

Now that is a plan with ZERO downside. But since Danny can't respect others, his only leverage is $$$. And winners are not just about the $$$.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 7, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

hardhitter, have you had a look at the petition? I'm not exactly sure it's being taken seriously. Dan Snyder himself has signed it three or four times!

Posted by: kost52 | February 7, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

But since Danny can't respect others, his only leverage is $$$. And winners are not just about the $$$.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 7, 2008 06:31 PM

Amen, zcezcest1.

Posted by: Papken28 | February 7, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

The Skins have a huge asset. The fan base. In real terms, it is the waiting list for season tix. But the more years of mediocrity, the more likely that list doesn't grow. Maybe shrinks. That is the ONLY real leverage the fans have. But it is real, though it takes a long time.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 7, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Leevi, you don't get it. I live in the SF area and have seen what great owners do (DeBartolo) and sucky owners do (Yorks and Al Davis). The great ones respect their people. The sucky ones don't.

Your comment about the inmates (players) running the asylum is one that I would buy into 98% of the time. But this is that rare exception. This was not an ordinary season and what these guys accomplished was respected everywhere in football. They deserved to be listened to because they earned it.

I'm not saying GG would have been a great coach. I really don't know. I do know that he and the players were on the same page in every respect, and that is a huge deal in football.

How many guys on other teams would have been excited about joining the Redskins? A lot. How many now? A lot less.

Respect buys you a lot in football, and in life. Danny had it and then gave it up.

I wish I was wrong, but I have seen the future. Its the SF 49ers, just with a bigger payroll. The Skins have a lot of 6-10 in their future.


Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 7, 2008 06:22 PM

You obvisouly did not read my post in full or detail....I do get it...I undertsnad completely where you are coming from....I have two things to say...

1. I only saw 5 players say they wanted Williams as coach...that leaves 40 something others that never said one way or the other...so your going by a few players comments....

2.I never once saw anything that Gibbs was backing Willaims either...That was specualted from writers and fans only...in fact here is an interesting quote that Gibbs did say about the process..

"Today's Washington Redskins roster is a testament to Vinny and the personnel department being an integral part of our team structure in identifying players, whether acquired in free agency, the draft or on sometimes very short notice as we made our way through the season," Gibbs said.

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=34053

And the other quote from Gibbs was Speaking from his home in North Carolina, former coach Joe Gibbs supported Snyder's move in hiring Zorn and Blache ahead of his replacement.

"If you wait until late in the process, in this case going after the Super Bowl, a lot of the key people will be signed up by different teams," Gibbs said. "Dan couldn't afford to wait or he was going to lose a lot of good coaches."

Gibbs, who has not participated in any of the interviews, defended the way Snyder is conducting the search.

"I've been staying quiet on the process out of respect for the process," Gibbs said. "Some people took that to mean I was disappointed. That's not the case at all. I want to emphasize that I think Dan has been very, very thorough. In the end, what's going to come out of this is that he's going to make a great choice for the Redskins."

http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080203/SPORTS01/950595422/1023&template=nextpage


THOSE ARE THE ONLY QUOTES I HAVE HEARD FROM GIBBS ON THE MATTER...

Yes he did tell Greg to stay in the process...but that may have been more to giving advice to NOT damaging your rep...by quitting.....We will never know

Posted by: leevi98 | February 7, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

CL - Pink panties huh??

Posted by: kost52 | February 7, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

MY GOD! I can;t believe I still see fans posting like we were a HUGE succes this year....Damn guys wake up...I know the heart is hard to overlook but the REALITY was we were 9 & 7!!!! There were many other 9 & 7 teams that did not get in the playoffs...if you consider 9 & 7 a success...Than yes...You want Greg to keep that consistantcy of mid season melt downs...defesnse they cave leads just about 90% of the time...I mean c'mon you can't be serious??????

Posted by: leevi98 | February 7, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Sources close to Spagnuolo told FOXSports.com's Jay Glazer that one of the major factors in his decision to pull out was that he wants to be able to hire his own staff rather than join a team with the coaching staff already in place.

Figures!!!!! The Dammy fcuked it up again

Posted by: Tyler84101 | February 7, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Profootballtalk.com is reporting that Redskins One is on its way to Arizona to pick up Fizzle. It looks like ten more years in the wilderness for the Redskins. I look forward to seasons of mediocrity filled with 6 and 10 records with the occasional 8 and 8 sprinkled in. Why didn't Jack Kent Cooke leave enough money to his son to buy the team? Why, dear God, are we stuck with this loser Scientologist dotcom millionaire Napoleon complex wannabe running this great franchise?

Posted by: fcknutz | February 7, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

This is me 1 month ago:

"i mean cower is a great coach and all, but we have made such great progress in gibbs 2.0, made the playoffs 2 of the last 3 years, and we have a sick defensive coordinator on staff who is ready to take over the HC job and keep moving ahead with the great strides this team has made."

This is me now:

"NO NO NO. we now have the power staff of Blatch, Zorn, and Fassel"

Posted by: SeanTay77 | February 7, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Sources close to Spagnuolo told FOXSports.com's Jay Glazer that one of the major factors in his decision to pull out was that he wants to be able to hire his own staff rather than join a team with the coaching staff already in place.

Figures!!!!! The Dammy fcuked it up again

Posted by: Tyler84101 | February 7, 2008 06:42 PM

I read that article...I did not see a QUoTE from Steve supporting this...I just see that Glazer said this....He is wrong alot by the way...Anycase Until I see a qoute from Spags myself..this has NO LEGS TO STAND ON....

Posted by: leevi98 | February 7, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7769774/Spagnuolo-crossed-off-Redskins-list

"However, given the secretive nature of the process, the new coach could be a yet-to-be revealed candidate who has interviewed with owner Dan Snyder during the four weeks of the coaching search."

We can only hope.

Posted by: kost52 | February 7, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

For me, continuity was not necessarily about hiring Greg Williams as HC. The problem here is how often we start the process again. My biggest concern with this FO is that in 2-3 years we will restart the process one more time. Then again in another 2-3 years.

Do people really feel as if this FO will not be firing this current staff in a couple of years?

To me, this is why we are where we are. This FO needs to learn football and start to make good decisions.

Regardless of who is hired and how many times this team is broken up to start again, I am a die hard skins fan and will not be able to do anything but root for my team come September.

I just wish we we not becoming the raiders of the east coast!

Posted by: kerzon417 | February 7, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

I have copied all this posts for two weeks now...and if/when the new coach is successful...I will be throwing this back in yuour face when you jump on the band wagon!

Posted by: leevi98 | February 7, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse


"Today's Washington Redskins roster is a testament to Vinny and the personnel department being an integral part of our team structure in identifying players, whether acquired in free agency, the draft or on sometimes very short notice as we made our way through the season," Gibbs said.

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=34053

Speaking from his home in North Carolina, former coach Joe Gibbs supported Snyder's move in hiring Zorn and Blache ahead of his replacement.


"If you wait until late in the process, in this case going after the Super Bowl, a lot of the key people will be signed up by different teams," Gibbs said. "Dan couldn't afford to wait or he was going to lose a lot of good coaches."


Gibbs, who has not participated in any of the interviews, defended the way Snyder is conducting the search.


"I've been staying quiet on the process out of respect for the process," Gibbs said. "Some people took that to mean I was disappointed. That's not the case at all. I want to emphasize that I think Dan has been very, very thorough. In the end, what's going to come out of this is that he's going to make a great choice for the Redskins."

http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080203/SPORTS01/950595422/1023&template=nextpage


Posted by: leevi98 | February 7, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Leevi, its true that we didn't hear 40 players comment on this. But you won't get 40 guys to comment on anything. The guys that did speak up for GG, like Randle El, spoke in terms that suggested it was not only a one person opinion, but something very widely shared. And that GG had connected with them.

Its also true that Gibbs has supported what Danny is doing. have you EVER heard Gibbs say anything bad about anybody? You couldn't get him to say bad things about Brandon Lloyd. He's not going to say anything bad about Danny.

I still say it is all about respect. If I owned a team, I would hire the guy that sees greatness. But no one sees Danny and Vinny and thinks greatness.

The longer this team had the scent of Joe Gibbs, the better it would smell to people both on the outside and inside. But since Gibbs left, Danny has been marking his territory -- and it doesn't smell good.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 7, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7769774/Spagnuolo-crossed-off-Redskins-list

"However, given the secretive nature of the process, the new coach could be a yet-to-be revealed candidate who has interviewed with owner Dan Snyder during the four weeks of the coaching search."

We can only hope.

Posted by: kost52 | February 7, 2008 06:46 PM


Here comes The Chin! LOL

Posted by: leevi98 | February 7, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Univision is reporting that Dan Snyder's plane is headed to Jacksonville and Gregg Williams will be plucked out of his gig with Jax and be named the new coach.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 7, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Leevi, its true that we didn't hear 40 players comment on this. But you won't get 40 guys to comment on anything. The guys that did speak up for GG, like Randle El, spoke in terms that suggested it was not only a one person opinion, but something very widely shared. And that GG had connected with them.

Its also true that Gibbs has supported what Danny is doing. have you EVER heard Gibbs say anything bad about anybody? You couldn't get him to say bad things about Brandon Lloyd. He's not going to say anything bad about Danny.

I still say it is all about respect. If I owned a team, I would hire the guy that sees greatness. But no one sees Danny and Vinny and thinks greatness.

The longer this team had the scent of Joe Gibbs, the better it would smell to people both on the outside and inside. But since Gibbs left, Danny has been marking his territory -- and it doesn't smell good.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 7, 2008 06:56 PM

"Today's Washington Redskins roster is a testament to Vinny and the personnel department being an integral part of our team structure in identifying players, whether acquired in free agency, the draft or on sometimes very short notice as we made our way through the season," Gibbs said.

http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=34053

Speaking from his home in North Carolina, former coach Joe Gibbs supported Snyder's move in hiring Zorn and Blache ahead of his replacement.


"If you wait until late in the process, in this case going after the Super Bowl, a lot of the key people will be signed up by different teams," Gibbs said. "Dan couldn't afford to wait or he was going to lose a lot of good coaches."


Gibbs, who has not participated in any of the interviews, defended the way Snyder is conducting the search.


"I've been staying quiet on the process out of respect for the process," Gibbs said. "Some people took that to mean I was disappointed. That's not the case at all. I want to emphasize that I think Dan has been very, very thorough. In the end, what's going to come out of this is that he's going to make a great choice for the Redskins."

http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080203/SPORTS01/950595422/1023&template=nextpage


Posted by: leevi98 | February 7, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Leevi98, I really hope you are right. I really hope that somehow Snyder / Cerrato are football geniuses, but I really doubt it. They are meddling Buffoons, who never learn. The skins are going to troll in mediocrity until Snyder hires a real football man to run football operations. Let's compare how the lowly Dolphins do compared to the Redskins over the next five years. I'm putting my money on the Fins and Parcells over the Redskins and Snyder / Cerrato brain trust.

Posted by: fcknutz | February 7, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Univision is reporting that Dan Snyder's plane is headed to Jacksonville and Gregg Williams will be plucked out of his gig with Jax and be named the new coach.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 7, 2008 06:59 PM

HUH?

Posted by: leevi98 | February 7, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Leevi98, I really hope you are right. I really hope that somehow Snyder / Cerrato are football geniuses, but I really doubt it. They are meddling Buffoons, who never learn. The skins are going to troll in mediocrity until Snyder hires a real football man to run football operations. Let's compare how the lowly Dolphins do compared to the Redskins over the next five years. I'm putting my money on the Fins and Parcells over the Redskins and Snyder / Cerrato brain trust.

Posted by: fcknutz | February 7, 2008 06:59 PM

I'm not saying they are football geniuses...don't put words into my mouth...I'm just showing facts and what has been said from Gibbs...Not speculation as most do.

Posted by: leevi98 | February 7, 2008 7:01 PM | Report abuse

The BBC is reporting that Dan Snyder's plane is on the way to Santiago Chile to pick up current Chilean president Michelle Bachelet who will become VP of non-football operations. Bachelet, is apparently is anxious to return to DC, after having attended junior high school in Bethesda.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 7, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Tass, the Russian News Agency, is reporting that Dan Snyder's plane is headed to Moscow and that Vladimer Putin will become the new head of covert operations for the Redskins.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 7, 2008 7:03 PM | Report abuse

leevi98, I think skins fans have a legitimate reason to be disgusted with what is taking place here. Fassel emerged as a candidate three weeks ago and must not have been too impressing since he was not signed. Instead Snyder/Cerrato interviewed Caldwell, Meeks, Mora, Mariucci, and Spags. This does not seem like overwhelming vote of confidence for Fassel, but here we are tonight dealing with the fact that Fassel might be our next coach.
I'll support whoever they choose to hire because I cheer for the team, not the coach. But that doesn't mean that I am going to feel good about the direction of this organization if they decide to hire Fassel.

Posted by: skinsfan_81 | February 7, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

I just had a source tell me the Danny's plane is on it's way to visit Jose Mourinho.

Posted by: kost52 | February 7, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Petra, the news agency of Jordan, is reporting that Dan Snyder's plane is headed to Amman. There, it will pick up former Queen Noor, wife of the late King Hussein. The queen will return to Washington and head up ticket sales for the Redskins. Reportedly, Noor, whose father once headed the FAA (yes this IS true), missed Washington and is tired of watching crummy soccer games.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 7, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Sources close to Spagnuolo told FOXSports.com's Jay Glazer that one of the major factors in his decision to pull out was that he wants to be able to hire his own staff rather than join a team with the coaching staff already in place.

Figures!!!!! The Dammy fcuked it up again

Posted by: Tyler84101 | February 7, 2008 06:42 PM

Tyler, if this is true why in the hell did Spags even interview? He knew the coaching situation.....that report is BS.....why would anyone spend 16+ hours interviewing when they went in knowing our coaching situation was set.

Posted by: Lisa_R | February 7, 2008 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Leevi,

You make a lot of good points. Unfortunately, my short attention span prevents me from reading posts that are over 4 lines so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 7, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Adam Schefter just reported that although he believes Snyder will now go back to Fassel that as of 7:00 pm EST, Snyder HAS NOT been in contact with Fassel.

Posted by: Lisa_R | February 7, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

leevi98, I think skins fans have a legitimate reason to be disgusted with what is taking place here. Fassel emerged as a candidate three weeks ago and must not have been too impressing since he was not signed. Instead Snyder/Cerrato interviewed Caldwell, Meeks, Mora, Mariucci, and Spags. This does not seem like overwhelming vote of confidence for Fassel, but here we are tonight dealing with the fact that Fassel might be our next coach.
I'll support whoever they choose to hire because I cheer for the team, not the coach. But that doesn't mean that I am going to feel good about the direction of this organization if they decide to hire Fassel.

Posted by: skinsfan_81 | February 7, 2008 07:04 PM

According to some media reports they were going to hire Fassel 2 weeks ago but fan there was a huge fan backlash...Specifically this blog mentioned in at least 4 media reports... they delayed that hiring...and since so many were proud of this and boasting on here it was the fans that did it..SO that means it's all the fans fault here!!!

Posted by: leevi98 | February 7, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Kyodo news agency out of Japan indicates that Dan Snyder's plane is headed to Tokyo and that the new Redskins Head Coach will be Akebono, the former Sumo Champ. The Hawaiian born Akebono (formerly Chad Rowen) is said to be a favorite of Dan Snyder, who hopes that the new hire will encourage both Hawaiian and Japanese-born football players to sign with the Redskins. Redskins season ticket sales in Tokyo are already reported to be well ahead of last years pace.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 7, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

If a report from anywhere includes the words "Jay Glazer" I generally write it off as BS. If it's over 4 lines I write it off as well.

Posted by: Original_etrod | February 7, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

BONG!

Posted by: bigmurf08 | February 7, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

If you read Danny Boy's bio you would know his dad's friends and advisors were the ones who made millions for Danny Boy as a favor to his dad. Since then Danny Boy has failed at everything he touched anyone checked the value of Six Flags now and the value of the stock when Danny Boy bought it!

Danny Boy has serious performance issues off the field and those male enchancement drugs have still left him as still much less than average. As a result he over compensates as the owner of the Deadskins.
He used to tell his dates he suffered a terrible accident at his bris.

And all you deadskin fans are stuck with this puke for the next 40 years. No Super Bowls and maybe a playoff loss every few years to give you a glimmer of hope. All the while Danny Boy spends your ticket money on DD cup high class escorts like he is doing now. hoping he will be able to perform but like the Deadskins failing on the field after talking a good preseason game!

Posted by: dave2002ti | February 7, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

The WB network news reports that Dan Snyder's plane ... ah who am I kidding ... no one thinks that the WB network has a news department.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 7, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

MY GOD! I can;t believe I still see fans posting like we were a HUGE succes this year....Damn guys wake up...I know the heart is hard to overlook but the REALITY was we were 9 & 7!!!! There were many other 9 & 7 teams that did not get in the playoffs...if you consider 9 & 7 a success...Than yes...You want Greg to keep that consistantcy of mid season melt downs...defesnse they cave leads just about 90% of the time...I mean c'mon you can't be serious??????

Posted by: leevi98 | February 7, 2008 06:41 PM


This team wasn't much different than the Giants--who by the way, won the Super Bowl in case you missed it. What they need is consistency. Having a player murdered ahas the potential to cause a midseason breakdown.

This team does not need to be rebuilt, it needs to be tweaked. I think Gibbs is voicing a level of support for Snyder's coaching hunt primarily for 2 reasons:

1. Gibbs has never spoken ill of anyone to my knowledge.

2. Gibbs surprise retirement is what started this destructive chain of events in the first place.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 7, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

HIT!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: leevi98 | February 7, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, Not sure why..but thats what I read on Fox.com.........So there must be an underlying issue as to why Spagatini intv'd and didnt take the position if offered

Posted by: Tyler84101 | February 7, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Alan4

You must not follow the team the break down happened before Taylors death not after.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 7, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Alan4

You must not follow the team the break down happened before Taylors death not after.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 7, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Alan4

You must not follow the team the break down happened before Taylors death not after.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 7, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Alan4

You must not follow the team the breakdown happened before Taylors death not after.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 7, 2008 7:22 PM | Report abuse

leevi98, I respect your opinion, but I have to disagree with two things. 1) If you truly believe Fassel is the guy you do not delay the signing. Snyder/ Cerrato are the owner and GM (for all intended purposes), if they believe he was the guy then there should have been no need to interview anyone else. 2) I would have even less respect for Snyder/Cerrato if the reason they chose not to hire Fassel two weeks ago was because of fan backlash on a blog. I do not want people in charge of making decisions of this magnitude if they are going to second guess themselves so quickly after some negative feedback by the fans.

Posted by: skinsfan_81 | February 7, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

From Profootball.com

POSTED 6:46 p.m. EST, February 7, 2008

SNYDER PLANE RUMORS REFUTED

In response to reports that one of Daniel Snyder's private planes is en route to Arizona, presumably to retrieve Jim Fassel, a source with knowledge of the situation tells us that it isn't true.

So it is, or is isn't. That should cover us.

Stay tuned.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 7, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

"This team does not need to be rebuilt, it needs to be tweaked."

How are you going to "tweak" it with no cap room?

My thing is if Seattle gives Zorn a raise, he stays in Seattle. He went back to them after all and asked for one AFTER he met with the Skins. They said "no" so he came to Washington.

Seems that everyone is only using the Redskins to paid anymore, including players.

When is Leprechaun Danny going to wake up?

It's going to be Fassel or Meeks because they are the only ones who really want to be a head coach in Washington.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | February 7, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Tyler84101, it's my understanding that Spags was never even offered the position.

As to why he interviewed, probably he was trying to up the ante by the Giants...and it worked.

Posted by: Lisa_R | February 7, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Tyler, if this is true why in the hell did Spags even interview? He knew the coaching situation.....that report is BS.....why would anyone spend 16+ hours interviewing when they went in knowing our coaching situation was set.

Posted by: Lisa_R | February 7, 2008 07:11 PM


Easy. Cue The O'Jays: "MONEY, MONEY, MONEY! MONEY!!!"

Posted by: nojunk4me | February 7, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

BONG!!!

Now I feel better!

Posted by: kerzon417 | February 7, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Sally you chased Spags off, can you get rid of Fassel for us too, - thanks

Posted by: pat5387 | February 7, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

HIT!!!!!

NOW i feel better ;):)

Posted by: leevi98 | February 7, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

3 times? OK, gotcha kmdp4! I think is is fair to say the breakdown (lost leads) couldn't be squarely put on the defense.

If the defense keeps giving the offense a 10-7 lead at halftime, the Offense has to do better than a field goal or a touchdown in the second half. 3 and out was killing the Skins in the second halves, not Williams' defense.

The offense barely got 2 TDs a game in the first half of the season, where most of the blown leads occured.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 7, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: the_crazy_one17 | February 7, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Read somewhere Randy Thomas was reworking his contract. Anyone have any word on contracts being redone to save cap space?

Posted by: kerzon417 | February 7, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, Not sure why..but thats what I read on Fox.com.........So there must be an underlying issue as to why Spagatini intv'd and didnt take the position if offered

Posted by: Tyler84101 | February 7, 2008 07:18 PM

The issue under the table is simple...He Just won a super bowl with the Ginats in his first year as the D-cord...The ginats offered him...to be the highest paid Dcord in the league...he does not have to move or change anything just maintain and improve on what he has bulit...of course he turned down the job...Just because he did does not mean Dan screwed up...you people are sick

Posted by: leevi98 | February 7, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

My fault on the 3 times my stupid computer was freezing up.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 7, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

The simple fact is nobody of any value wants anything to do with Snyder or Cerrato. It's a highball train to nowhere.

I think I'm moving to the Giants. They won my heart with their gritty performance this post-season. Plus, their ownership is mentally stable.

So after 37 years, I'm afraid it's adios.

Posted by: Soups1 | February 7, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

...even in the playoffs, how was the lead given up? Try a missed field goal and 2 INTs. How's that Williams' fault?

Posted by: Alan4 | February 7, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

leevi98, I respect your opinion, but I have to disagree with two things. 1) If you truly believe Fassel is the guy you do not delay the signing. Snyder/ Cerrato are the owner and GM (for all intended purposes), if they believe he was the guy then there should have been no need to interview anyone else. 2) I would have even less respect for Snyder/Cerrato if the reason they chose not to hire Fassel two weeks ago was because of fan backlash on a blog. I do not want people in charge of making decisions of this magnitude if they are going to second guess themselves so quickly after some negative feedback by the fans.

Posted by: skinsfan_81 | February 7, 2008 07:23 PM
Umm that was a j0ke posting...

Posted by: leevi98 | February 7, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

kerson417....yep

reports have it that andre carter and randy thomas already restrustured thier contracts and that they are working with cooley and portis right now...they said that dan snyder will go far enough so that he can aquire a BIG name free agent

Posted by: the_crazy_one17 | February 7, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

...even in the playoffs, how was the lead given up? Try a missed field goal and 2 INTs. How's that Williams' fault?

Posted by: Alan4 | February 7, 2008 07:31 PM

That is false!!! The missed FG happened but the Ints happened later in the game when the offesnse was having to throw in short time and the Hawks d knew it....The lead was lost after the missed FG and the Seahawks OFFENSE drove right down the field with ease adn scored the go ahead TD pass to force the Skins to have to answer.....Get the fatcs straight!

Posted by: leevi98 | February 7, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Wow Soups1. I am done with Dan and his foolishness but I can't see myself going with another team.

Posted by: jm220 | February 7, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

American Airlines has reported that former figure skating champion Peggy Fleming has boarded a plane for Washington where she is expected to be named the new HC of the Washington Redskins. Owner Dan Snyder, noting that the playoffs and winter Olympics are at a similar time of year, expects Fleming's successful track record to carry the Redskins deeper into the playoffs.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 7, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

I thought that the players would be so upset that Williams did not get the job they would not restructure just more jumping to false conclusions by some of the posters on this site.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 7, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: the_crazy_one17 | February 7, 2008 07:33 PM

Thanks!

The one good thing I can say about this FO is that they can work the cap. If the players rework their contracts, it may be a sign of the ownership not losing them. Hopefully we can get a good FA DB, maybe a WR. Like to see a DL at 21 followed by some young OL drafting.

Posted by: kerzon417 | February 7, 2008 7:38 PM | Report abuse

A video download that you'll enjoy

http://www.monk4thehall.com/

Made before the Hall vote, there is a ton of great footage of the great Art Monk. Its 20 minutes long, and its timeless

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 7, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

yep me too....would like to see us get Asante Samuel or Marcus Trufant...who are both free-agents..but trufant is being rumored to being franshised tagged but the seahawks would pay nearly 10 mil next year....hope we keep our whole squad...

the only good thin about Dan Snyder is that he is willing to pa BIG money so that we can aquire top-notch free agents

Posted by: the_crazy_one17 | February 7, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

You're right, leevi98. Everyone knows defense was the weakness of this Redskins team. Ball control offense is what kept the scores low, right?

That's why Williams still can't get a job, just like Fassel... oh, wait a minute!

Posted by: Alan4 | February 7, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

I thought that the players would be so upset that Williams did not get the job they would not restructure just more jumping to false conclusions by some of the posters on this site.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 7, 2008 07:37 PM

Isn't that funny.... great post!

Posted by: leevi98 | February 7, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

That is false!!! The missed FG happened but the Ints happened later in the game when the offesnse was having to throw in short time and the Hawks d knew it....The lead was lost after the missed FG and the Seahawks OFFENSE drove right down the field with ease adn scored the go ahead TD pass to force the Skins to have to answer.....Get the fatcs straight!

Posted by: leevi98 | February 7, 2008 07:33 PM

So the Redskins defense is a COMPLETE failure because the Seahawks finally mounted a drive? I do remember two critical interceptions and a failure to score when the drive starts on the Seattle 21 yard line after the fumble recovery. I say that the failure of the offense to respond in the fourth quarter was more important. The defense kept the Seattle offense in check for most of the game and gave us the chance to win, much as it had done for the entire season.

Posted by: driley | February 7, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Thanks!

The one good thing I can say about this FO is that they can work the cap. If the players rework their contracts, it may be a sign of the ownership not losing them. Hopefully we can get a good FA DB, maybe a WR. Like to see a DL at 21 followed by some young OL drafting.

Posted by: kerzon417 | February 7, 2008 07:38 PM

I'd say tht is a huge sign that players are still on board

Posted by: leevi98 | February 7, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

I hate the thought of how much Samuels will cost, but he can play, and I would like to see him on the skins. The plus whith FAs is they do not cost draft choices.

Posted by: kerzon417 | February 7, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

DS: Hey Jim, Dan Synder here.. listen, after interviewing you, i tried to hire a bunch of other guys i thought were better than you, but none of them wanted the job.. most of them wanted to run things there own way, some of them used me to get more money from their own teams, and after all this time I wasted, you're all i have left Jim.. so i think i'll offer you the job.. okay ?
JF: Thanks Mr. Synder.. its okay i was your 10th choice.. i don't mind...
DS: Well, you see Jim, that's just it, we're going to tell everyone you were the top choice all along and you're the best man for the job.. okay..
JF: Thats a great plan Mr Synder.. I feel so confident coming here, knowing i was your top guy.. there's no better way to start a job..

Posted by: allprobaskets | February 7, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

You're right, leevi98. Everyone knows defense was the weakness of this Redskins team. Ball control offense is what kept the scores low, right?

That's why Williams still can't get a job, just like Fassel... oh, wait a minute!

Posted by: Alan4 | February 7, 2008 07:42 PM

It's not a matter of right and wrong....It's Facts I'm talking....in the for years Willaims was here...this is the facts of the Defense....Lost leads more times than I can count...small leads large leads and always allowed the other team to march and score almost 95% of the time with the lead and game on the line...This even includes the last game...when the missed FG happened...the defense let the Hawks march down the field and score easy to take back the lead...Greg brought in all the adams and let go all the Pierces.

Posted by: leevi98 | February 7, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

the_crazy_one17,

Even though Snyder is willing to pay big $$$$ he has severe salary cap issues so will be unable to do so. In the past, players have agreed to restructure their contracts to help him, but I believe that will be a thing of the past considering how much he has botched up this coaching search.

Plus, we NEVER have a winning season when Snyder goes on a spending spree.

Posted by: Lisa_R | February 7, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

I'd say tht is a huge sign that players are still on board

Posted by: leevi98 | February 7, 2008 07:44 PM

The players may still be on board, but there's still no HC on board... and all the best one's keep walking away from this "thorough" process. I'd thay that's pretty important to note, too.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 7, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

The only thing left is for Snyder to offer the job to Meeks so he can get a better deal from the Colts.

Posted by: skinfanman | February 7, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Leevi,

Just how many high scoring games did our team win last year? Most of the games were close and not high scoring. That is a testament to the defense keeping us into the game deep into the fourth quarter. As I recall, only the Pats blew us out of a game. Basically I think even Joe Gibbs would say that Williams' defense carried this team for 3 of the 4 years.

Posted by: driley | February 7, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Obviously doing the hiring BUTT backwards has made the Redskin Head Coaching Job a JOKE! Any coach of substance has opted OUT! SAD

Posted by: LongTimeSkinsFan | February 7, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

That is false!!! The missed FG happened but the Ints happened later in the game when the offesnse was having to throw in short time and the Hawks d knew it....The lead was lost after the missed FG and the Seahawks OFFENSE drove right down the field with ease adn scored the go ahead TD pass to force the Skins to have to answer.....Get the fatcs straight!

Posted by: leevi98 | February 7, 2008 07:33 PM

So the Redskins defense is a COMPLETE failure because the Seahawks finally mounted a drive? I do remember two critical interceptions and a failure to score when the drive starts on the Seattle 21 yard line after the fumble recovery. I say that the failure of the offense to respond in the fourth quarter was more important. The defense kept the Seattle offense in check for most of the game and gave us the chance to win, much as it had done for the entire season.

Posted by: driley | February 7, 2008 07:44 PM

I have the game on DVD with all the other games the last 4 years you want a copy to watch it again? I have watche that game 7 times...I saw the defense give up 13 points
in the first half....then the offense mounted two drives to take the lead 14 to 13...Then offense could not get the ball in after the kick recovery and then missed a fG...after that the defense let the seashawks with no running game...march right down the filed and score a td to take the lead...and with 4 mins left...put the skins into a comeback position that we all knew could not happen...the offesnse was not perfect either and I was not comparing the two..I was stating the fact of a defense that looked good on paper and in some stats caved when it counted most of the time....and how bout it took Greg's defense 3 years to finlly get some decent turnovers...his Defense set a league record for NOT getting turnovers while he was here....

Posted by: leevi98 | February 7, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

It's not a matter of right and wrong....It's Facts I'm talking....in the for years Willaims was here...this is the facts of the Defense....Lost leads more times than I can count...small leads large leads and always allowed the other team to march and score almost 95% of the time with the lead and game on the line....

Posted by: leevi98 | February 7, 2008 07:49 PM

These are not facts, leevi98. This is your opinion. The defense doesn't lose the lead when the offense turns the ball over deep in their own territory. And this offense conducted a heckuva lot of 3 and out drives, gave away fumbles (Moss & Portis had some memorable ones!) and interceptions.

The OFFENSE gave up a lot of those leads, not the defense alone.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 7, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Leevi,

By the way, what was our highest offensive ranking? Yes, you are right, facts do tell the tale.

Posted by: driley | February 7, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Leevi,

Just how many high scoring games did our team win last year? Most of the games were close and not high scoring. That is a testament to the defense keeping us into the game deep into the fourth quarter. As I recall, only the Pats blew us out of a game. Basically I think even Joe Gibbs would say that Williams' defense carried this team for 3 of the 4 years.

Posted by: driley | February 7, 2008 07:51 PM

I have never claimed that nor do I disagree.....The fact of what we are discussing is that Greg Williams is a bit overrated by Skins fans.

Posted by: leevi98 | February 7, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Among the video highlights:

Monk makes a twisting catch vs SD (as good as any you'll ever see)
Monk beats Cowboys double coverage for a TD
Monk pushes a pile of 5 NYG defenders back and still gets a first down
On 3rd and 19, Monk gets 20 on a game winning drive
Monk beats the Eagles for a TD in playoffs, despite the Eagles defenders hitting and grabbing him
Monk beats the Falcons defender with the DB holding his jersey
Monk beats the Bears for 2 TDs in the 1986 playoffs. The Bears team that had the record for least points in a season.
Monk carves up the Bills in the SB
Monk makes a ton of 3rd and long catches
Monk flattens a poor DB while blocking him
Monk 60 yard catch and run vs SD which ends with him running over two guys like a fullback
And the notable ones
Monk sets the single season NFL record on a great play in 1984 -- it takes 3 guys to stop him
Monk passes Charlie Joiner on a TD
Monk passes Steve Largent to become #1 all time.

Its a great piece about a great great player

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 7, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

The bottom line and my point...is I do not think Williams was the right man for HC...My opinion and you will not convice me otherwise

Posted by: leevi98 | February 7, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Aaah....let the boobirds begin....

Spagnuolo IMO is not ready to be a head coach....maybe in a year. The same was for McDaniels.

But it was good the REDSKINS kept their options open in order to interview them and decide for themselves.

Let the youth movement continue....I'm excited for next Season!!!

I hope all the BooBirds backup their threats and cancel their season tickets.....I'm upping my amount to 10 this year....which means better seats for me!!

Posted by: goosedude | February 7, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

The bottom line and my point...is I do not think Williams was the right man for HC...My opinion and you will not convice me otherwise....You guys are turning my duscussion into a debate with the offense..I never said the offesnse was very good either...Don't change my facts into a Offesnse vs defense debate....Dont putt words in my mouth...

Posted by: leevi98 | February 7, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Download it ... its more fun to live in the past anyway

http://www.monk4thehall.com/

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 7, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

I hope all the BooBirds backup their threats and cancel their season tickets.....I'm upping my amount to 10 this year....which means better seats for me!!

Posted by: goosedude | February 7, 2008 07:56 PM

I do too...so maybe I can move my 45 year old family seats to the 40 yard line on the Skins side!

Posted by: leevi98 | February 7, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

driley's on the money. There was a point in the season (about Week 10) where the Skins highest scoring game (minus the Detroit game) was less then the Cowboys lowest scoring game. And the Skins still had a winning record!

When they played their first game, the Skins held the Cowboys to 14 points deep in the 4th quarter. If the offense had been able to mount even a few drives (Portis was 12 carries for 36 yards, Betts was 2 carries for 8 yeards), Ownes wouldn't have had the opportunity to have such a big 4th quarter. And they did all this DESPITE their best defensive player (the late Sean Taylor) being out of that game.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 7, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

leevi, no one's putting words in your mouth. You said:

this is the facts of the Defense....Lost leads more times than I can count...small leads large leads and always allowed the other team to march and score almost 95% of the time with the lead and game on the line.

I say bullsiht. The offense was responsible for a lot of that.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 7, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

driley's on the money. There was a point in the season (about Week 10) where the Skins highest scoring game (minus the Detroit game) was less then the Cowboys lowest scoring game. And the Skins still had a winning record!

When they played their first game, the Skins held the Cowboys to 14 points deep in the 4th quarter. If the offense had been able to mount even a few drives (Portis was 12 carries for 36 yards, Betts was 2 carries for 8 yeards), Ownes wouldn't have had the opportunity to have such a big 4th quarter. And they did all this DESPITE their best defensive player (the late Sean Taylor) being out of that game.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 7, 2008 08:04 PM

So your saying better lucky than good?

Posted by: leevi98 | February 7, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

leevi and I just disagree. GG was the only man for the job because he was respected by the players and that is a huge thing in this league. Leadership is the #1 quality for a HC. And the team looked at GG that way. Even if GG failed, Danny would still be respected and that does matter. It was a 'no-lose' with a lot of upside.

The reality is an offense coach is the only choice that makes sense. That is where the change is most needed. The defense has a vet coordinator and most of the staff back. Why retain those guys and then bring in a defensive guy who will want to change it? Plus, the defense was top 10.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 7, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

driley's on the money. There was a point in the season (about Week 10) where the Skins highest scoring game (minus the Detroit game) was less then the Cowboys lowest scoring game. And the Skins still had a winning record!

When they played their first game, the Skins held the Cowboys to 14 points deep in the 4th quarter. If the offense had been able to mount even a few drives (Portis was 12 carries for 36 yards, Betts was 2 carries for 8 yeards), Ownes wouldn't have had the opportunity to have such a big 4th quarter. And they did all this DESPITE their best defensive player (the late Sean Taylor) being out of that game.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 7, 2008 08:04 PM

So your saying better lucky than good? And the reason they lost that game the way they did WAS BECASUE TAYLOR WAS NOT PLAYING!!! Thats where all of TOs TDs went...lol you just stated a catch 22 my friend

Posted by: leevi98 | February 7, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Leevi,

Here are some more facts, some you ignore handily. The last 4 regular season games the team jelled to win. How? They combined a tenacious defense (Williams) with an offense that had an efficient quarterback (Collins) who did not turn the ball over. Teams that finish the season well have a better chance to flourish in the following season. Joe Gibbs in his first season with the Redskins started 0-5 and jelled at the end of the season. The players have confidence in themselves and the coaches and that carries on into better things. Now contrast that to our current situation. Snyder has forfeited the bond between coaches and players by removing Williams and Saunders. That is the reason so many of us are upset at this whole charade.

Posted by: driley | February 7, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse

I appreciate the updates JLC, but the conjecture is a little much. Pete Carrol and Bill Cowher are not/were not going to coach 'anywhere' in the NFL this year regardless of the front office setup, owner, city, etc.

If it's such a 'devalued' position, why are quality coaches lining up for marathon interview sessions with Dan Snyder?? Stick to the facts sir..

Posted by: castro123 | February 7, 2008 02:41 PM

What did Jason do to you?!? I demand to know right this instant! What, did he not respond to your email or something? He must have scorned you in some way!

Posted by: barno | February 7, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse

I am not a Snyder fan and I'm still beyond angry at him about Gregg Willimas BUT - as some of you have previously mentioned - JLC comments are BS! JLC reported that Pete Carroll, Bill Cowher and Jim Mora did not want the Skins job. Well, Jim Mora knew Holmgren was going to retire next season and that he would be made HC so that is why he pulled out......Bill Cowher has said all along that he did not plan to coach next season and never deviated from that statement and Carroll has always said if he coaches in the NFL again he wants full control. Pete Carroll did not even interview with ATL but did with Snyder.

What about Jason Garrett turning down the Ravens? Thought that was a world class organization (according to JLC).

Posted by: Lisa | February 7, 2008 03:20 PM

Oh let me guess, JLC turned you down for a date. Hell hath no furry like a woman scorned.

Posted by: barno | February 7, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Bill Cowher and Pete Carroll didn't want the job under this front office structure at all.

By Jason La Canfora | February 7, 2008; 2:29 PM ET

Really? It was because of "this front office structure" that Cowher didn't want this job? You mean he hasn't been saying for about 2 years now that he won't be returning to coaching this year? You mean his reasons for turning down all the other teams that wanted him was because of other reasons, but he had a specific reason for why he didn't want the Redskins job? Really?

Sorry, but I'm not buying it.

Posted by: barno | February 7, 2008 02:42 PM

What- did Jason not give you a dvd he promised you? Oh wait, that's me.

Carry on.

Posted by: barno | February 7, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

In how many of the games that the defense gave up leads were they tired from spending too much time on the field while the offense was going three and out?

Just saying that our defense was not bad, or rather it was good. Which is why it is nice to see the "continuity" on this side of the ball.

Posted by: kerzon417 | February 7, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Coach Facile Lifetime Record Predictions:

2008: 4-12 (including 2 shut outs by Giants that Spaz credits to his inside knowledge of the Skins);

2009: 1-6 (with one shut out by the Giants, following which Coach Facile is canned and replaced with Ernest Byner as interim coach. VinnyDAN admits he made a mistake in allowing the current fans, who did not understand what a thorough process they used to hire Facile, to poison the team's morale, and that they should have required muzzles on all fans entering FedEx)

Redskins Records, 2008-2012

2008: 4-12

2009: 5-11 (Redskins go 4-5 after Coach Facile is fired, based on strong coaching of HC Ernest Byner, who is let go in February of that year after a thorough review of his abilities to continue as head coach)

2010: 6-10 (under new HC Mooch, who VinnyDAN was very impressed with from his last interviewing gig but who has not had a job since then)

2011: 5-11 (under new HC Jim Mora, who was fired by the Seahawks after the 2010 season. HC Mooch was fired after the 2010 campaign for requesting his own office, having shared an office in 2010 with Jim Zorn and a cardboard cutout of Spuds McKenzie)

2012: 19-0 - Super Bowl Champions (Under new HC Rex Ryan, hired after VinnyDAN died under mysterious circumstances, having in fact autofellatied himself to death. Tonya Snyder goes on to be the greatest owner in Redskins history).

Posted by: RedBee | February 7, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

One of my favoritest people in the whole world is named "Gregg" and I endearingly call him "Double G". "GG" is just shorthand for a coach who I really like...

I also loved "Man Boobs", but, again, out of affection and humor more than anything.

Posted by: PDiddy | February 7, 2008 05:39 PM

Season II of the Wire. Double G. Great character...

Viva Ziggy

Posted by: barno | February 7, 2008 8:18 PM | Report abuse

To all the Snyder sycophants (I don't know how in the hell anyone could be a Snyder apologist based on the damage he has done to our beloved Skins over the last decade)who, over the last few weeks, have been saying in this space that Snyder has a plan, I guess you must finally admit that he does NOT have a plan-nor does he have a clue.

The fact that Snyder fired and hired the coaching staff without the consent of the preferred next head coach is now obvious to anyone with a half brain. His small but vocal defenders opined that firing Williams and Saunders and hiring Zorn while elevating Blache was part of some great master plan that had been covertly endorsed by Gibbs' secret replacement (who was unable to be named as he was one of the assistant coaches involved in the Super Bowl)now seems patently untrue.

I hope for Meeks' sake that Dungy wisely counsels him against accepting this job. Meeks seems like a fine coach and a nice man but this is an impossible situation. There will be other opportunities for him in the future. This is a nice job for a washed up coach who doesn't care about his legacy but wants one last big paycheck to ensure financial security for his yet to be born great-grandchildren. That is why either Mooch or Fassal will get the job.

Snyder has finally managed the impossible: dropped below the Spurrier and Norv years. JKC, George Allen and Sean Taylor must be rolling over in their graves. Given the obvious organizational limitations, Gibbs Canton bust should be revised to add, "Lead the Redskins during his second term to the playoffs in two of his last three years despite working for one of the worst owners in professional sports."

Posted by: c_e_daniel | February 7, 2008 8:18 PM | Report abuse

driley, I think leevi has already drunk the kool-aid. He thinks Fassel (who no one but Snyder wants) has to be a superior choice to Williams (who has turned down HC jobs in the past and was immediately interviewed by numerous teams and quickly hired).

Why? Because Vinny and Snyder, with their past record of winning success, say so. I beleive he thinks Spurrier would be better than Williams.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 7, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Dan Snyder makes me want to smoke MORE pot.


For that, Dan, I thank you.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | February 7, 2008 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Here's a joke that would have been much funnier two months ago:
The Redskins tried to hire the Giant's DC
as their Head Coach but he turned them down.

Posted by: mack1 | February 7, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Reading Barno's posts are like being bludgeoned by a billy club made of nerf. Rellentlessly annoying yet not damaging....


Leevi Straus......take another binger...your the most high strung pot head I have ever encountered dude!

Posted by: chrislarry | February 7, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Alan4,

I do believe that Leevi is reviewing for maybe the EIGHTH time the dvd of all the 08 season games. Maybe 8 is the charm.

Posted by: driley | February 7, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

make that 07 season games

Posted by: driley | February 7, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

The Jerusalem Daily Post is reporting that Dan Snyder's private plane is headed to Tel Aviv to pick up Ariel Sharon to be the new head coach. Apparently in a phone conversation with Sharon, he didn't say no when offered the job.

Posted by: jimwell | February 7, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Wow - perfectly stated:

http://www.hailredskins.com/

My only reservation is in regard to Mooch. Part of the reason he is rotting on TV is that he was (at the time at least) overpaid on his Detroit salary and it runs out this year. I have not heard of him searching for jobs the last two years, and I believe that is primarily because he was getting paid and relaxing.

My real choices remain:

1. Meeks, for many of the reasons stated, but primarily he is hungry to prove himself, not just to cash in one last time;

2. Mooch
3. Fassel

I did not include anyone not really in it, and quite frankly I believe that means I should not have included the first two.

Posted by: RedBee | February 7, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Leevi,

Here are some more facts, some you ignore handily. The last 4 regular season games the team jelled to win. How? They combined a tenacious defense (Williams) with an offense that had an efficient quarterback (Collins) who did not turn the ball over. Teams that finish the season well have a better chance to flourish in the following season. Joe Gibbs in his first season with the Redskins started 0-5 and jelled at the end of the season. The players have confidence in themselves and the coaches and that carries on into better things. Now contrast that to our current situation. Snyder has forfeited the bond between coaches and players by removing Williams and Saunders. That is the reason so many of us are upset at this whole charade.

Posted by: driley | February 7, 2008 08:09 PM

If what you said is true..."Teams that finish the season well have a better chance to flourish in the following season."

What happenned in 2006 after advancing to the second round of the playoffs in 2005?

Posted by: leevi98 | February 7, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Leevi,

Here are some more facts, some you ignore handily. The last 4 regular season games the team jelled to win. How? They combined a tenacious defense (Williams) with an offense that had an efficient quarterback (Collins) who did not turn the ball over. Teams that finish the season well have a better chance to flourish in the following season. Joe Gibbs in his first season with the Redskins started 0-5 and jelled at the end of the season. The players have confidence in themselves and the coaches and that carries on into better things. Now contrast that to our current situation. Snyder has forfeited the bond between coaches and players by removing Williams and Saunders. That is the reason so many of us are upset at this whole charade.

Posted by: driley | February 7, 2008 08:09 PM

If what you said is true..."Teams that finish the season well have a better chance to flourish in the following season."

What happenned in 2006 after advancing to the second round of the playoffs in 2005? What was Greg Williams' defensive unit ranking in 2006?

Posted by: leevi98 | February 7, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Where is daveb55 when you need him? He could surely straighten out all this mess.

Posted by: pulldownclaw | February 7, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Now contrast that to our current situation. Snyder has forfeited the bond between coaches and players by removing Williams and Saunders. That is the reason so many of us are upset at this whole charade.

Posted by: driley | February 7, 2008 08:09 PM

Since when is "weird Al" as posters like to call him..someone the fans support? All I read in here for 2 years was that Saunders sucked and needed to go..The year before VERYONE was calling for Greg's head..during and after the 06 season with all the info coming out in the article that talked to a current player on the staff and how greg really was...I'm going to find that article and post it here if i can...Now after a 9-7 season when a team who was heading NO WHERE...rides emotion off a player and friend being murdered...now they are two coaches we can't live without...Just proved at what how bad jumping on the bandwagon is with fans in the blog.

Posted by: leevi98 | February 7, 2008 8:37 PM | Report abuse

chrislarry,

What do you think happened to Grimm? He didn't get any love from anyone.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 7, 2008 8:37 PM | Report abuse

A few things before I call it a night. Another night of schmoozing. Gotta love politics. Sigh...

1. Zorn and Blache are fantastic coaches. While we all have much contempt for "Mr." Snyder, let's give the benefit of the doubt to two men who have toiled in the NFL for years and who really deserve this shot. I find it amusing that people would criticize these two guys. Look at their pedigrees and results! Yeesh.

2. Fassel is an uninspiring coach. He's a bottom of the barrel choice. I don't know what kind of man waits in the wings while his suitor runs around flirting with everyone else in the hope of finding something better. I'm a single guy, and there's no way I'd tolerate that in a woman, much less a job. But Fassel is probably desperate to get back in the big chair. Make of that what you will. I, personally, find it odd.

3. I think it's cute that barno has found people who agree with him. The thing he doesn't realize is that it's not his opinion many of us object to, it's him and the sanctimonious manner in which he spews his opinion. After all, I posited a very similar argument to barno at the top of this thread. I tend to agree with him.

4. The notion of a "boycott" somehow affecting "Mr." Snyder's wallet or the team's bottom line or the personnel/coaching decisions is ludicrous. Plus, guys, it's a football team. If you're going to protest something, how about something important like this interminable, nonsensical war? Corruption at all levels in government? Rampant cronyism in the Bush Administration? So-called conservatives spending the public's money like drunken sailors on shore leave? The metric system? Vowels? Maps?

Dmn vwls.

I could go on, but I'm preserving bandwidth so that E! can provide us with some Britney Spears updates.

Posted by: PDiddy | February 7, 2008 8:41 PM | Report abuse

do anyone of you afterbirths know where I can get a free range buffalo burger around here?

Posted by: chrislarry | February 7, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

TE - It's strange isn't it, he's not the only one, Rivera, Singletary, Cottrell, Carthon and I'm sure there are more. It's seems that once a candidate applies and gets turned down, the following year, he doesn't get a look in. Maybe it's a case of, well if they didn't want him, we aren't taking him!

Posted by: kost52 | February 7, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

As pissed as I am about Snyder and the HC search, he is still handling the Sean taylor thing with a little class. Paying for Taylor's family to go to the Pro-Bowl game, thats good of him.

http://www.nfl.com/probowl/story;jsessionid=2F34CB8F4BA37AA71A58C1810481B7C1?id=09000d5d8068dd4e&template=without-video&confirm=true

Posted by: alex35332 | February 7, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

TE re Grimm:

Um...who knows...he obviously doesn't give good interview...which as we all know doesn't mean you can't do a job. Also I think guys "stock" in this copy cat league is as fickle as a 14 year old girl with her first box of maxi pads....so there is some of that..

Since preclaiming things is the rage up here let me say this....when AZ wins there division next year and their Offense is beast folks will come knocking again...

If it was my team, and lets be honest I am a couple of NYC investors and a phone card scam away from being Snyder...as we all are...Grimm would be planning the draft right now with some wunderkindt 37 year old GM we poached from colts/eagles/pats etc....

Posted by: chrislarry | February 7, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Anyone ready to argue that we wouldn't be better off TODAY if Marty Ball had remained in place? Including bringing back Gibbs 2.0?

I say that the franchise would have been FAR better off if the Danny had stuck with Marty Schottenheimer instead of dumping him for the "OBC" and the HOF'er!

Posted by: carocanesfan | February 7, 2008 04:06 PM

AMEN brother. Marty took a dog of an 0-5 team and willed it to 5-5, and then finished at respectable first year of 8-8. He was a disciplined coach, but cared about his players and not afraid to show it, a la Vermeil and Gibbs. So the players like him. Front offices unwilling to share the power even if they are guaranteed to win don't like him. But if you want playoffs, he's your guy. Schotty should have been kept and there is a good chance he could have gotten Skins in a season or two more back in the hunt. His canning ripped a hole wide open in the Skins, which even Gibbs 2.0 couldn't put a patch on.

Posted by: chrisjohn91 | February 7, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse

fyi,fossill,was 4-8 in the nfc east in his last 2 yrs with the nygiants['good record in the nfc east?"]snyder was glad to let russ grimm go[he was skins line coach]when he hired marty.hard to believe he would bail little d out now.no hope,lost season.i just hope snyder doesnt try to use #21 to get smpathy this yr.that would be the end.i do prtest war just not on sports blogs.

Posted by: DLESMonday | February 7, 2008 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Love it! And since you're not getting an award, you can take full advantage of the free booze!

Posted by: kost52 | February 7, 2008 06:10 PM

kost, Nice thought, but I think that in Redcoat's company about 85% of the people get awards. The awardees get to drink for free, but the goats have to pick up the tab for everyone. He's probably going to be competing for his next job against Don Breaux.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 7, 2008 9:06 PM | Report abuse

do anyone of you afterbirths know where I can get a free range buffalo burger around here?

Posted by: chrislarry | February 7, 2008 08:43 PM

Red Robin has a nice selection

Posted by: leevi98 | February 7, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Is Jerry Glanville available?

How about Buddy Ryan?

Bum Phillips?

Knute Rockne?

Awwww, freakin' forget it....we're about to be "Fasselized". Sometime in the distant future, a team of interplanetary archeologists conducting a dig in what was once the Washington, D.C. metropolitan area, will discover the remains of many open-mouthed corpses, appearing to have died in mid-scream. In front of each of these long-dead lifeforms will be a computer screen that, when reactivated, will reveal a simple headline that will ultimately explain the devastation and the downfall of a once-proud race: "Fassel Hired"...okay, maybe not...just a thought.

Posted by: tripz | February 7, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Anyone ready to argue that we wouldn't be better off TODAY if Marty Ball had remained in place? Including bringing back Gibbs 2.0?

I say that the franchise would have been FAR better off if the Danny had stuck with Marty Schottenheimer instead of dumping him for the "OBC" and the HOF'er!

Posted by: carocanesfan | February 7, 2008 04:06 PM

Kinda hard to say...I mean marty did get some really serious talented guys with the Chargers...I mean LT hekped that cause alot

Posted by: leevi98 | February 7, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Way to go Sally--your excellent article of 2/6/08 must have been read by Spaggs why else would he pull out!!!! This is great because Snyder and the lackey can choose Fassell and REALLY FEEL THE WRATH OF ALL REDSKINS FANs---NOT THAT HE GIVES A DAMN. THE NEXT SCENE IN THIS DRAMA IS Snyder quickly goes for Grimm (who by the way would more than likely turn him down) THEN IT WOULD REALY HIT THE FANS IN THIS AREA!!! The problem is Snyder is stuck and he has no other choice than Fasell AND he can boast that he got the coach he wanted in the FIRST Place!!!! He will try to justify it by saying GIVE US A CHANCE TO SHOW YOU WE MADE THE RIGHT PICK. I don't think the fans will by it. Snder will need ALL HIS MARKETING SKILLS TO SELL THIS SCENARIO!!!! hE MADE HIS BED NOW HE HAS TO SLEEP IN IT but HIS FANS DON'T--AFTER ALL WHO PAYS FOR THIS MESS--REDSKINS FANS AND THEIR MONEY. IT IS A SHAME THAT THE MONEY THE FANS PAY FOR A good TEAM WILL LINE SNYDERS POCKETS. THE ONLY THING HE UNDERSTANDS IS MONEY---LOTS OF --BAGS FULL OF IT!!!! It's time fans for round 2 of NO--NO-TO FASSEL SNYDER YOU DO THIS AT YOUR PERIL!!!

Posted by: vergens2 | February 7, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

carocanes, chrisjohn,

Schottenheimer is 5-13 in playoff games. The only time he ever saw a Super Bowl, he had to buy a ticket to get in. As far as the Redskins, he ran off Brian Mitchell and Russ Grimm. He drafted Rod Gardner in the first round.

Those were the good old days?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 7, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

What happenned in 2006 after advancing to the second round of the playoffs in 2005?

Posted by: leevi98 | February 7, 2008 08:31 PM

In 2006, the defense didn't carry the team, and they went 5-11. Opposing teams found the weakness in the cover-2. What's impressive is that instead of losing control the defense, Williams actually learned from his mistakes, instilled pride in the unit, and brought the defense back into the top 10 the very next year! Not many coaches can do that, and that's why he was quickly hired.

Also, you mention "Wierd Al" like it's a harsh criticism. Obviously, you weren't paying attention to all the affectionate nicknames people on this board hand out from ManBoobs to Jasno.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 7, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

vergens2,

Where did you get that Spags turned down the job? I have not seen that reported any where...What I read was that Spags acceoted an ext. with The Ginats that made him the highest paid D_cord in the league or league history for that matter. The reports I have read also States...The Redskins DID NOT OFFER HIM THE JOB!..He also just won a SB with the team in his first year as D Cord. He is comfortable and being loyal as well....I think you are twisting around the what has been reported Calm Down!

Posted by: leevi98 | February 7, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, cL, I needed that.

Posted by: pulldownclaw | February 7, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

What happenned in 2006 after advancing to the second round of the playoffs in 2005?

Posted by: leevi98 | February 7, 2008 08:31 PM

In 2006, the defense didn't carry the team, and they went 5-11. Opposing teams found the weakness in the cover-2. What's impressive is that instead of losing control the defense, Williams actually learned from his mistakes, instilled pride in the unit, and brought the defense back into the top 10 the very next year! Not many coaches can do that, and that's why he was quickly hired.

Also, you mention "Wierd Al" like it's a harsh criticism. Obviously, you weren't paying attention to all the affectionate nicknames people on this board hand out from ManBoobs to Jasno.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 7, 2008 09:13 PM

Point taken...williams did rebound this year....My my point stands...His defesne caved over and over again whne it mattered ..when the game was on the line...That was consistantly happening for 4 years...You alos missed the point on AL..I was not knocking his nickname as much as I was about all the posts here for 2 years bashing him and saying he and 700 page playbook needs to go...but now that his back up QB who had been in the system for 7 years wins 4 games in arow all of a sudden AL is great again...Provving how people in this blog are bandwagon jumpers and flip flop like a bad presidential runner...Seem to jump on the side that always appears right ignoring how they felt before a short winning streak...Also many were calling for Gibbs head too and Williams...but then Taylor died, campbell got hurt and they went on a short winning streak...9 & 7 one game and out..."Need to keep consistancy" I love being an average team...your right we should have kept everybody!

Posted by: leevi98 | February 7, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse


"We have completed an exhaustive, comprehensive, thorough search, interviewing dozens of very well qualified coaches for this position. In the end, while we spoke with many we liked, we kept coming back to where we started, Coach Jim Fossil. We stuck to our disciplines (sic), and we think Jim is the guy to lead the Washington Redskins back to the Super Bowl." Ladies and Gentlemen, the next head coach.....

THIS CROCK REALLY CAN'T COME OUT OF THEIR MOUTHS, CAN IT?

GIVE US MOOCH OR MEEKS!!!!!

Posted by: chrisjohn91 | February 7, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Grab your caps lock key and your exclamation points and follow me to extremeskins.com!

Posted by: mack1 | February 7, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Yes leevi, we were 9-7 like some other teams, but how many of those teams had the injuries we had especially at key positions(we lost our right side of the o-line by week 2) and not to mention the loss of the best player on defense to a tragic murder. We lost lots of leads, but they weren't exactly double digit leads most of the time, actually very seldom. So lets give some of that blame to the offense. Not saying GG would have been a great coach, but given whats happened recently, he's looking pretty good compared to what we're gonna be left with. Do we really want a head coach(Fassel) who cried at his press conferences in NY because the press was so hard on the team when they were going 4-12 that year. And how do you think the players will feel when at the introductions of every home game because of the coach they are greeted with nothing but boos. Not a pretty site. And I have heard from and inside source that the majority of the players wanted GG, even most of the offensive guys. Now there's talk in the locker room of many guys wanting out. Can't name the source, but it's legit.

Posted by: captnbill | February 7, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

The Marty comment is mostly accurate. Firing HC Marty was an atrocious move. He may be snakebitten in the postseason, but he gets there and his teams competed well against the best.

Marty as a coach is great. Marty needed to employ his kids and run the personnel side, not so good.

When a team goes on a 'feel good' run at the end of a season, its hard to know if it will carry over. I suspect it is more often a good sign. In 2006, GB sucked early, finished strong and were a top team in 2007.

For the Skins in 2005, it didn't carry over, though the same QB, Brunell went from decent to utter disaster. And GG got too confident in his coaching as opposed to respecting the players. There's that word again -- respect. It'll come up a lot.

In 1990, it did carry over. The Skins went from 5-5-ish when Monk closed the door and spoke to the players. They finished 10-6 and got a playoff win. That time, the momentum carried over to into 1991, when they were one of the greatest teams ever. An 11-0 start, 14-2 with a meaningless loss in the final game. Then 3 straight postseason blowouts where none of the games were even as close as the final score. The closest was Buffalo, who we beat 37-24. It was 37-10 before the Bills scored on their last 2 possessions.

That is why it was worth taking a chance on GG. If it did carry over, great things could happen. If not, Cowher would be on his way.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 7, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Cowher would be on his way.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 7, 2008 09:27 PM

Cowher is not coming to DC under any conditions. He will be the next coach in Carolina. The team will be teh Cowherlina Panthers.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 7, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

I wonder what the real professor (not Clayton), Ken Beatrice, thinks of this mess. Too bad he's not on the air. He would rip Snyderman apart and Snyderman wouldn't have the intelligence to understand what he's saying.

Posted by: c_e_daniel | February 7, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Talent -- If GG had the job and flamed out, Danny would have had a good shot at Cowher. But Cowher won't work for someone he doesn't respect.

This coaching search fiasco has lost Danny any chance at Cowher.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 7, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

What happens if the team goes 10-6 or above next year?

Posted by: gtayman | February 7, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Cowher moved to Carolina because he wants to live in Carolina. He doesn't want to live in DC. He'll be the coach in Carolina next year because that's where he wants to live. Respect for Danny has nothing to do with it.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 7, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Let me put this Snyder "apologist" thing to rest:

Just because one does not hurl insults, encourage for him to be "castrated", or call him childish names does not mean that you are a Snyder apologist.

Many fans just aren't logical. Snyder's real problem is that he moves in secrecy and opens himself up to these things.

Posted by: rickyroge | February 7, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

What happens if the team goes 10-6 or above next year?

Posted by: gtayman | February 7, 2008 09:41 PM

Then it would have gone 13-3 with anyone but the guy who's actually coaching them. Our minds are made up.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 7, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

The Washington Times is reporting that the Redskins just hired John Palermo as their new defensive line coach. Most recently, he was the defensive line coach for University of Miami. This is getting goddamn ridiculous.

It looks like he has never coached in the NFL in any capacity and as everyone knows U. of Miami's football team has been awful the last few years. Whose bright *ucking idea is this one? It seems the nexus is Vinny The Idiot as Palermo was on Notre Dame's staff while Vinny The Idiot was recruiting coordinator. Perhaps the Dan-Vinny will hire Lou Holtz.

Posted by: c_e_daniel | February 7, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

What if the team goes 15-1?

Posted by: gtayman | February 7, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Due to his poor PR, Snyder would be in a lose-lose situation.

1) Hire GW-please the fans and players, but if they lose, he get killed for not doing a thorough enough search.
2) GW withdraws, and it's because Snyder somehow chased him away

Posted by: rickyroge | February 7, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

I'm surprised we haven't had confirmation of Fassel's hiring yet. In regards to Mariucci and Fassel, in doesn't really matter how long a decision takes, but what about Meeks? Surely there has to be a point where Meeks has to put his time into the job he's currently employed to do, DC of the Colts. Indy must be biting their fingernails hoping that we don't sign him, if we do, where do they look for a replacement DC?

Posted by: kost52 | February 7, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

What if the team goes 15-1?

Posted by: gtayman | February 7, 2008 09:48 PM

Look, our minds are MADE UP. If you say 19-0, our answer is it would have been 19-0, but with a bigger average victory margin under Gregg Williams (the Martyr).

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 7, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

ha ha. Nobody wants to coach the redskins. Guess it took Spags 28 hours to reject the temptation of all that money. I don't blame him. I wonder if a team can go into the season without a head coach? Or with the 4th or 5th choice for head coach? What a joke Snyder has turned this organization into.

Of course, the rational thing would have been to hire Williams, give him 1 year and see what he does. If he sucks, bring in Cowher who will be available then. If he does well, you'll have saved yourself $1million and national embarrassment. I wonder what the press conference would be like when Snyder finally finds his coach. Will both their noses grow with each lying statement?

Posted by: tundey | February 7, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Mo (DC): Has Dan Synder turned the Redskins into the joke of the NFL? At this point, Jim Fassel is the leading candidate. What a disaster?

ESPN's KC Joyner: The thing that troubles me about it is there seems to be no rhyme and reason to it. They don't have to go out and hire a big name coach but they really don't seem to have any idea what kind of coach they want. Or rather it seems they want the coach that will make the best PR splash. Not a good way to run a coaching search, that's for sure.

Posted by: kost52 | February 7, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Talent, the point on Cowher is moot, but say Carolina turned it around next season and there was no opening. And GG had messed it up here. Cowher would be here. If he respected Danny and saw the big $$$, I'd have bet he would have been here. Respecting the work of that other Carolina guy, Gibbs, would have helped a lot.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 7, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Can anyone, strictly from a football sense, tell me why Fassel would be such a bad hire? I'm not saying he is or isn't, but can anyone intelligently articulate the pros and cons?

Posted by: rickyroge | February 7, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

bring in Cowher who will be available then.

Posted by: tundey | February 7, 2008 09:55 PM

Cowher's not going to be available then. He will be coaching the Cowherlina Panthers.

As for Spas, he didn't reject the Redskins. He never had an offer to reject.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 7, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Where is Jasno with this DL oach update? Maybe the Skins are planning to draft Calais Campbell and want to bring this guy along. Sounds like another uninspiring hire, surprise surprise.

Fans would be a lot more lenient if Williams was kept and lost just because of the success he has had. If we sucked next year he could have gone hard after Cowher. Fassel is going to get no patience and doesn't really deserve any. It is an atrocious ending to a month long circus. Cue the bearded lady.

Posted by: cdubb | February 7, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Due to his poor PR, Snyder would be in a lose-lose situation.

1) Hire GW-please the fans and players, but if they lose, he get killed for not doing a thorough enough search.
2) GW withdraws, and it's because Snyder somehow chased him away

Posted by: rickyroge | February 7, 2008 09:50 PM


WRONG

GG was zero risk. If he wins, Danny is a hero. If he loses, Danny can get rid of him with out any blow back, but have the respect of the league for sticking with a guy that had done well by him.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 7, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

snyder's 20 hour interview is driving people away. snyder wants to feel comfortable with the person, but no worthy coach want to spend that much time to please him. when they realize they will have to deal with him next few years, they just can't stand it.

Posted by: zxyang | February 7, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

rickyroge:

You must be on the Skins payroll or perhaps you are one of Snyderman's loved ones.

You hath not a clue. Snyder's problem isn't secrecy. His problem is that he micromanages the team despite having no more knowledge about football than any fan on this forum and relies on the opinions of a personnel man who is considered in the bottom of his profession.

Posted by: c_e_daniel | February 7, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

ha ha. Nobody wants to coach the redskins. Guess it took Spags 28 hours to reject the temptation of all that money. I don't blame him. I wonder if a team can go into the season without a head coach? Or with the 4th or 5th choice for head coach? What a joke Snyder has turned this organization into.

Of course, the rational thing would have been to hire Williams, give him 1 year and see what he does. If he sucks, bring in Cowher who will be available then. If he does well, you'll have saved yourself $1million and national embarrassment. I wonder what the press conference would be like when Snyder finally finds his coach. Will both their noses grow with each lying statement?

Posted by: tundey | February 7, 2008 09:55 PM

STOP Just STOP ALL THIS CRAP! I'm upset more with my fellow fans saying these things and jumping to conclusions...NOT ONCE have I read that Spags turned down the Job...Evrything I have read from ALL media posts about the situation was that the Skins NEVER offered the Job to him....I don'y mind bashing the owner when it is justified...but I DO NOT stand for fans bashing him or mdeia bashing him...Just because he is the Danny and it's the band wagon thing to do....If you bash him have reasons not just cause you read a headli9ne adn decide in your own mind what happened...STOP IT!

Posted by: leevi98 | February 7, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

talent evaluator:

well you've got a point with the lackluster 5-13 playoff record, but no question he gets there. and his teams reached AFC champ game 3 times, following coaches who did not do jack with those teams. and if byner doesn't fumble on the goal line, Marty is in the SB with 87 Browns. Gardner was a bust, and I think he was a marty guy, but you can't pin BMitch on marty. That was all Dan Snyder dumping him to make cap room for Neion Deion.

I still contend Marty ball was Redskin football, and we were rising headed for consistently good things, if not great, instead of the unmitigated mess we have now.

Posted by: chrisjohn91 | February 7, 2008 10:02 PM | Report abuse

I think Danny might make the right call on this. The response to Spags being out of the running and the HC position being "devalued" is a little hysterical. Skins' fans reaction to Fassel is the same as what we accuse Danny of-if the name doesn't make a splash with us we automatically hate it. When he actually tries to do due diligence, we hate him for it also. I'm reserving judgment...

Posted by: rwdodd | February 7, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

2) GW withdraws, and it's because Snyder somehow chased him away

Posted by: rickyroge | February 7, 2008 09:50 PM

And you have this info and know this because????????

Posted by: leevi98 | February 7, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Rickyroge,

You know on January 1 Peter King posted his ten best candidates for head coaching vacancies. This is what he wrote about Jim Fassel: "I'm a bit mystified why he never got a second head-coaching chance after taking over a bad team in New York and leading the Giants, unexpectedly, to the Super Bowl in 2000. He was five games over .500 in his seven New York seasons. The one thing so many teams are looking for is a coach who can work with young quarterbacks and fix slumping ones, and that's Fassel's forte. 'Jim was the key to me coming back and playing well,' said Kerry Collins, the battered QB who quarterbacked the Giants to the NFC title in 2000."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 7, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Can anyone, strictly from a football sense, tell me why Fassel would be such a bad hire? I'm not saying he is or isn't, but can anyone intelligently articulate the pros and cons?

Posted by: rickyroge | February 7, 2008 09:58 PM

RIGHT

Fassel has a modest record. Nothing that suggests greatness, but a lot of "retreads" are better the second time around.

Thing about Fassel is that his most recent gig was pretty weak, running the Raven offense.

The real issue isn't Fassel. Its that Danny has decided to take this team apart. This team that had bonded and was on a good roll. This team that the fans and people around football admired.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 7, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Can anyone, strictly from a football sense, tell me why Fassel would be such a bad hire? I'm not saying he is or isn't, but can anyone intelligently articulate the pros and cons?

Posted by: rickyroge | February 7, 2008 09:58 PM

Very good post....The fact is the fans want a splash as bad as anyone...and they are not getting that...at least it does not look that way to this point...they wanted Greg so bad because they want to keep "consistancy" from the Ghost of Gibbs and hope that the togetherness the team built through the Death of Taylor will carry over if a coach who was here going through it with them is hired..But the fact is the emotion that carried the team for 4 games in a 9 & 7 season...was Gone done adn over with when they lost to seasttle...the fans are holding on to that emotion dearly....somehow has turned into that this team was a great success adn the reason was Williams to justfy their own comfort zone with Gibbs...HOPE...but they feel HOPELESS if an outsider is hired....Thast pretty much it...Gibbs was competing with the Ghost of Gibbs and now so is any new coaches...

Posted by: leevi98 | February 7, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

What if the team goes 15-1?

Posted by: gtayman | February 7, 2008 09:48 PM

If that happen there will be a huge back peddling going on in here with posters trying to justify why they hated the move...Eating crow sucks and i think many will change their ID names to save face.....Few will admit they were wrong....Oh and the defesne for the ones who face up...will be that Gibbs bulit the team and he is the Redskins version Of Gruden or whats that guys name who won one bowl fro San fran after Waslsh left...anyway that will be their defense

You can see that coming a amile away

Posted by: leevi98 | February 7, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

ESPN is reporting that Jimmy Johnson is back in the Redskins mix. Amazing.

Posted by: isnadd | February 7, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

I've never said Fassel would make a bad candidate, and if they liked him they should have offered him the job weeks ago. Instead Snyder/Cerrato interviewed Caldwell, Meeks, Mora, Mariucci, and Spags. This does not seem like overwhelming vote of confidence for Fassel. I'm taking a wait and see approach and will support whoever they hire, but if Fassel becomes the guy I cannot imagine anyone would feel comfortable about our chances of the playoffs again next year.

Posted by: skinsfan_81 | February 7, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Cowher moved to Carolina because he wants to live in Carolina. He doesn't want to live in DC. He'll be the coach in Carolina next year because that's where he wants to live. Respect for Danny has nothing to do with it.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 7, 2008 09:42 PM

He owns a ranch out near leesburg...I don't think he owns that if he hates living in the area...

Posted by: leevi98 | February 7, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

rickyroge:

Fassel isn't necessarily a good or bad pick. The point is it really doesn't matter who the Redskins pick as their next head coach because Snyder and Vinny run the show. And neither Snyder nor Vinny has ever done anything professionally to indicate that they are capable of developing a long term successful NFL franchise.

Posted by: c_e_daniel | February 7, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

I am stating the obvious but Snyder really screwed this up, worse than anything perhaps in his life. If he had hired Gregg Williams everyone would have said "of course" and "great hire" and if the Skins win everyone is happy. But if the Skins lose, not one person would likely say anything bad about Snyder.

Instead he promotes Vinny the village idiot, hires almost a complete coaching staff, and is getting turned down by head coach candidates left and right.

Posted by: isnadd | February 7, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

The Redskins are way beyond Nauseating at this point...but wasn't it pretty obvious Spags was just using snyder to get a bigger contract out of the Giants just as Mora, and everyone else has done...

Other than Monk and Green, is everyone else as Fuc#kin sick of anything and everything Redksins...how bout that Superbowl!

Posted by: tomfoley1 | February 7, 2008 10:15 PM | Report abuse

ESPN is reporting that Jimmy Johnson is back in the Redskins mix. Amazing.

Posted by: isnadd | February 7, 2008 10:11 PM

Where do you see this? That is something nobody wants...I DO NOT WANT A FORMER SB WINNING COWBOYS COACH NO MATTER WHO IT IS AND WHAT THEY HAVE DONE>>>I WANT OUR OWN GUY OR ANYONE NOT A FORMER SUCCESSFUL DALLS COACH

Posted by: leevi98 | February 7, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse

"Need to keep consistancy" I love being an average team...your right we should have kept everybody!

Posted by: leevi98 | February 7, 2008 09:20 PM

Obviously, you love being a below average team. Because that what this was up until a few years ago, and it looks an awful lot like a return to those day to most objective obervers. Average teams don't get to the playoffs when they're in same division with both the SuperBowl Champ and the #1 conference seed. It's not just Reskins fans saying this. Browse the internet, my friend!

Put the Kool-Aid away!

Here's a link to get you started:
http://boards.giants.com/forums/thread/673991.aspx

Redskin fans Scared Fassel may be Coach
ciucca: lol! I have to give the Redskins fans some credit they are *** that Fassel may soon be their new coach. All you need to do is peruse the Skin boards to see this. I for one hope Jimmy gets the job. This is the same feeling I had when Gibbs came back for a second tenure. They will be a non factor for years to come. Now if only the Cowboys will hire Ray Handley.

ThereCanBeOnlyOneLT: The Skins hiring Fassel certainly be the best offseaosn move for the Giants, and we wouldn't even have to do anything.


Posted by: Alan4 | February 7, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse

My family has been season ticket holders since the 60's but there are three certainties in life: death, taxes and the Redskins are not going to win 15 games next season, even if they include pre-season wins.

Posted by: c_e_daniel | February 7, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Forget about Jimmy Johnson, someone like that, sin't going to come here, and not be in total control.

Posted by: kost52 | February 7, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Need to keep consistancy" I love being an average team...your right we should have kept everybody!

Posted by: leevi98 | February 7, 2008 09:20 PM

Obviously, you love being a below average team. Because that what this was up until a few years ago, and it looks an awful lot like a return to those day to most objective obervers. Average teams don't get to the playoffs when they're in same division with both the SuperBowl Champ and the #1 conference seed. It's not just Reskins fans saying this. Browse the internet, my friend!

Put the Kool-Aid away!

Here's a link to get you started:
http://boards.giants.com/forums/thread/673991.aspx

Redskin fans Scared Fassel may be Coach
ciucca: lol! I have to give the Redskins fans some credit they are *** that Fassel may soon be their new coach. All you need to do is peruse the Skin boards to see this. I for one hope Jimmy gets the job. This is the same feeling I had when Gibbs came back for a second tenure. They will be a non factor for years to come. Now if only the Cowboys will hire Ray Handley.

ThereCanBeOnlyOneLT: The Skins hiring Fassel certainly be the best offseaosn move for the Giants, and we wouldn't even have to do anything.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 7, 2008 10:16 PM

Getting opions from fans from rival team blogs to try and prove me wrong is just flat out funny...What do expect rival fans to say about the redskins? LOL of course they say that about JF...like we do NORV and we said the saem things when Norv went to the Chargers...boy we all ate crow didn'
t we...Your reaching with this brother

Posted by: leevi98 | February 7, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Tom Cruise should coach the team next year.

Posted by: getdeb1 | February 7, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

For some reason, I think that the Skins will hire Grimm. I guess I am thinking this because it makes sense, which under this ownership automatically means it won't happen. Why do Snyderrato feel the need to re-invent the wheel? Hiring assistants before the HC? This whole process is just embarrassing. Make a decision already, just make sure that it is not Fossil

Posted by: tsgtsgray | February 7, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

kost, Nice thought, but I think that in Redcoat's company about 85% of the people get awards. The awardees get to drink for free, but the goats have to pick up the tab for everyone. He's probably going to be competing for his next job against Don Breaux.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 7, 2008 09:06 PM

Hola! I'm back but sadly not BUI. I quaffed all that I could - all free - but simply didn't have the capacity to do it all again as last night.

The liver was willing but the rest of me is pitifully weak.

I see it's still random 'blog muggings' (bluggings?) going on Up Here.

Who are we currently kicking because they're down?

Posted by: Redcoat | February 7, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Snyder is a dick.

Posted by: c_e_daniel | February 7, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

"The Redskins are way beyond Nauseating at this point...but wasn't it pretty obvious Spags was just using snyder to get a bigger contract out of the Giants just as Mora, and everyone else has done..."

Yes, and if Seattle had given Zorn a larger deal when he went back to them after meeting with Snyder he'd still be there.

He was looking for a raise as well but they hedged thier bets and Zorn came to Washington.

Hmmm, maybe if I meet with Leprechaun Danny I'll get a raise also. ;)

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | February 7, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

I can't help but think that there is still more to this. Surely Danny would've known who was his leading candidate out of Mooch, Meeks, and Fassel, before he interviewed Spags. So since Spags is now out of the running, why has there still not been any movement? All I can think of, is that Danny is not satisfied with those guys, and there is someone else, whose name hasn't yet been mentioned. Now if it's a current assistant, like Grimm, they have to ask permission to interview, so we would've heard about it. If it's a big name retread, it's unlikely that they would want to come to a place where they won't have a lot of control, and the Coordinators have already been chosen. College coach? Might already be a little late for that, unless, it's the type of coach who doesn't show very much loyalty....

Ladies and Gentleman, let me introduce our next Head Coach....

Bobby Petrino!

Posted by: kost52 | February 7, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse

And Blache was considering retirement until they threw a bunch of money his way. The only way people can stand to be around this guy are to be bought off. I saw him sneaking bills into Darrell Green's pockets at the HOF voting.

Posted by: cdubb | February 7, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

"I saw him sneaking bills into Darrell Green's pockets at the HOF voting."

That's the only way I can see that Green endorsing what Snyder was doing for a HC. ;)

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | February 7, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

"sanctimonious manner in which he spews his opinion."

Posted by: PDiddy | February 7, 2008 08:41 PM

Shouldn't you be busy hanging out at a starbucks??


Posted by: barno | February 7, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Shouldn't you be busy hanging out at a starbucks??

Posted by: barno | February 7, 2008 10:42 PM

And I thought that satire was dead....

Posted by: Redcoat | February 7, 2008 10:45 PM | Report abuse

At this rate our next head coach will be Larry Michael. Everyone keeps turning down the job.

I bet Williams and Saunders are very happy to be out of Washington and out of this crazy environment.

By the way, does anyone know what kind of offense that Grimm is used to running? I know people say that he would be a good pick, but unless he runs west coast offense, why would he want to come here with Zorn already in place. I like Russ Grimm too much to wish for him to come back. A coach can't excel here with current team ownership/management.

Posted by: skinsfan1234 | February 7, 2008 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Let's face it, there is not a sure fire good head coaches. No one you would say that could lead the Skins to next level. I think that Ron Meeks is the way to go. Meeks would be the first black head coach in franchise history. He would be someone that team could get behind. Plus he is disciple of Tony Dungy. Who is held in high regard as a person and a coach.

Posted by: mwill008 | February 7, 2008 10:46 PM | Report abuse

like we do NORV and we said the saem things when Norv went to the Chargers...boy we all ate crow didn'
t we...Your reaching with this brother

Posted by: leevi98 | February 7, 2008 10:24 PM

Norv had a 14-2 team that lost in the playoffs to the Pats 24-21.

He made them 11-5 and lost in the playoffs to the Pats 21-12.... I don't think anyone's eating crow! Let's see if he continues that downward trajectory next year.

Yeah, I directed you to a Giants fansite, but I challenge you to find a credible site--fan or objective, doesn't matter--ANYWHERE that opines that the Skins hiring Fassel would be a good move.

Norv sucks, and so does Fassel.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 7, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

skinsfan1234 - Grimm doesn't run an offense, he's never been a coordinator, only a OL Coach.

Posted by: kost52 | February 7, 2008 10:52 PM | Report abuse

Getting opions from fans from rival team blogs to try and prove me wrong is just flat out funny...What do expect rival fans to say about the redskins?

Posted by: leevi98 | February 7, 2008 10:24 PM

...by the way, we're a rival blog to the Cowboys, and when they interviewed Williams there were 95% good things said about him here (you were the other 5%).

Posted by: Alan4 | February 7, 2008 10:53 PM | Report abuse

If we can just make it through friday without an annoucement then I think Fassel is out.

Posted by: kilmer55 | February 7, 2008 10:54 PM | Report abuse

The mistake snyder made was having a 20-hour interview. He should've had a contract waiting when he arrived. Spags would've been so dumbfounded, he'd probably sign it.

Posted by: info | February 7, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Robskie was the first black Redskin head coah.

Posted by: info | February 7, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Thanks kost52.

I think Grimm would be good, but can't think he'd work well with Snyder. Who can?

Posted by: skinsfan1234 | February 7, 2008 11:00 PM | Report abuse

I'm trying to wrote this objectively so please don't shoot the messenger. I'm confused.

The Washington Redskins is a storied, valuable, well-supported NFL franchise. The owner has a history of spending money to the point of recklessness on the playing staff, using mucho financial 'jiggery pokery' in order to be able to actually spend ABOVE the salary cap. The fan base is both large and 'engaged' with the largest stadium in the NFL effectively sold out for some years in advance - making this the #1 or #2 market for football. The team roster, although a little old/fragile in places has above-average talent. The owner has also shown himself willing to set new levels of salary for the coaching staff. The fans are desperate to see a return to championship games after many years in the (relative) doldrums.

YET....

Jim Mora came, then went home.
Pete Carroll didn't see this as 'the job' to come back to the NFL.
Steve Spagnuolo did (or didn't) want to come.
Bill Cowher seemingly wasn't interested enough.
Josh McDaniel seemingly didn't want to be considered.

Question: What's wrong with this picture?

This should be one of the top one or two jobs in the NFL. Forget the relative lack of recent success, this is a 'sleeping giant' franchise; the guy who reawakens it to former glory is made for life.

Why doesn't anyone who's REALLY anyone seem to want the job?

I don't get it. I know I'm a Fins fan, but it seems like Parcells was attracted to a similar type of challenge but actually even greater, because Miami is pretty-much at ground-zero in terms of talent and fan interest. The Skins were a playoff team last year yet no-one really seems to want to come over that not only makes a plash, but more importantly, fills the fan base with the hope that things may get better very soon.

Can anyone explain?

Posted by: Redcoat | February 7, 2008 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Just thinking, wasn't it written a week or so ago, that Danny said something like "I like Meeks, he was an impressive coach"? I think it was around the time of the HOF announcements.

If that's the case, wouldn't that make Meeks the only candidate who has officilly been acknowledged by Snyder?

Posted by: kost52 | February 7, 2008 11:06 PM | Report abuse

A Billion Dollar Buffoon! No doubt that Coach Gibbs left because of Dan and Vinny.
As much as I love D. Green and Art Monk - Dan created a Side Show and acted like he was a little kid in awe of them.
I started sleeping well when I wrote them off after 35 years two weeks ago and as bad as I feel for the players - I'll be pulling for the RAMS and JAGS to kick the REDSKINS butts.

Posted by: chargersix | February 7, 2008 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Norv had a 14-2 team that lost in the playoffs to the Pats 24-21.

He made them 11-5 and lost in the playoffs to the Pats 21-12....

Posted by: Alan4 | February 7, 2008 10:49 PM

The Chargers lost at home the year before last with their whole team fit and well after a bye week. they lost in Foxboro this year with a QB with a gimpy leg and without the (then) reigning NFL MVP after the first couple of plays.

Not quite the same thing. I don't rate Norv that highly either - he sucked as our DC in Miami - but I think they will be a competitive team for some time under him. Weren't they 1-3 or 1-4 at the start of the year then put together a good run from then on?

Posted by: Redcoat | February 7, 2008 11:10 PM | Report abuse

Question: What's wrong with this picture?

This should be one of the top one or two jobs in the NFL. Forget the relative lack of recent success, this is a 'sleeping giant' franchise; the guy who reawakens it to former glory is made for life.

Why doesn't anyone who's REALLY anyone seem to want the job?

I don't get it. I know I'm a Fins fan, but it seems like Parcells was attracted to a similar type of challenge but actually even greater, because Miami is pretty-much at ground-zero in terms of talent and fan interest. The Skins were a playoff team last year yet no-one really seems to want to come over that not only makes a plash, but more importantly, fills the fan base with the hope that things may get better very soon.

Can anyone explain?

Posted by: Redcoat | February 7, 2008 11:04 PM
__________________________

I posited on the blog late last week that Snyder is offering a one-year contract.

Here's another thought: The pressure from Snyder on the candidates is just too great, he must emphasize 'WIN NOW,' and no one who's been interviewed has the ego to take him up on it.

Posted by: Xlnt | February 7, 2008 11:15 PM | Report abuse

Every time I tune into or read ESPN, CBS Sportsline, etc., they're dissing you, Snyder. You're just asking for it if you hire Fassel. Come on, will you please wise up and HIRE GRIMM. I promise, no one will complain.

Posted by: james7691 | February 7, 2008 11:17 PM | Report abuse

"Here's another thought: The pressure from Snyder on the candidates is just too great, he must emphasize 'WIN NOW,' and no one who's been interviewed has the ego to take him up on it."

Fassel does because he's desperate and has no job.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | February 7, 2008 11:18 PM | Report abuse

Can anyone explain?

Posted by: Redcoat | February 7, 2008 11:04 PM

If you listen to the talk around the football world, this FO is a joke. Proven by this HC search.

This front office is looking for a "yes" HC ala dallas so that snyder can coach the team.

NFL headcoaches are men, not puppets so the good coaches are not going to want this job. Additionally, outside of JG, this FO has not given any coaches a chance to succeed here.

Posted by: kerzon417 | February 7, 2008 11:28 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat, I mentioned this earlier in the thread but it bears repeating....

Yes, Danny has screwed up BIG TIME with the coaching search debacle (should have hired Gregg Williams).

However...Jim Mora knew Holmgren was going to retire next season and that he would be made HC so that is why he pulled out......Bill Cowher has said ALL ALONG that he did not plan to coach next season and never deviated from that statement(he was not even interviewed)...Pete Carroll has always said if he coaches in the NFL again he wants full control. Pete Carroll did not even interview with ATL but did with Snyder. No NFL franchise is going to give him the control he wants. I'm thankful he was not a strong candidate...Josh McDaniels is all of 31 and would never have been hired....truthfully, I never heard his named mentioned except by the local media who seem to get most everything wrong...think he got an extention with the Pats before the Super Bowl...and Spags just wanted to get more money from the Giants...mission accomplished...and to my knowledge was not offered the job by Snyder.


Posted by: Lisa_R | February 7, 2008 11:29 PM | Report abuse

I don't think it's right to say that candidates don't want the Skins' HC job. Mora and Caldwell got deals to be HCs w/o moving. Snyder rejected Williams. Lots could explain Spags staying with the NYG -- Williams essentially did the same thing 3 years ago, and so did Jason Garrett a month ago, staying with DAL. The problem is not that the job is undesirable, it's that Snyder doesn't know who to offer it to.

Posted by: james7691 | February 7, 2008 11:33 PM | Report abuse

"Can anyone explain?"

Easy, Dan Snyder.

Look at the Baltimore Orioles, they were once a respected organization until the ass owner they have bought the team.

Now he's run them into the ground, but as long as they put money in his pocket he could care less. Snyder should look at thier example but he thinks he's smarter then everyone else so he won't.

At least Angelos is 77 years old, Snyder is still a little boy...err...young man. He still has a long time to play with his favorite toy.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | February 7, 2008 11:35 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat, the lack of a proven GM would have to be disconcerting to any potential young, first time Head Coach, and the lack of opportunity for an experienced Head Coach to run the show, would have them looking in other directions. Which leaves us with people who will do anything to get back in the game. Fassel, Mariucci, and Meeks.

Yes, Meeks fits into that catergory too, he's a not so young D coordinator, who works for a team who will always be known for their offense, and who not only have a successful Head Coach, but a named successor. If Meeks doesn't get a HC job soon, he's going to end up as a career coordinator, much like Monte Kiffin and Jim Johnson.

I've actually swayed in hoping for Mooch over Fassel, now I'm on the Meeks bandwagon.

Posted by: kost52 | February 7, 2008 11:35 PM | Report abuse

"The problem is not that the job is undesirable, it's that Snyder doesn't know who to offer it to."

Sure he does, Jim Fassel.

No one else is desperate enough to work in Washington.

The funny thing is NY fans are hoping Snyder does hire Fassel because they know how bad of a coach he was.

- Ray

Posted by: rmcazz | February 7, 2008 11:39 PM | Report abuse

Snyder you buffoon. You got played. He used you to get a nice fat raise. Thanks for making us the laughing stock of the NFL.

Posted by: bryjen48 | February 7, 2008 11:43 PM | Report abuse

any way to get this clown and his side kick, boy blunder, to relinquish the team?

petition?
attrition?
contrition?
munition?


Posted by: chief_redskin_fan | February 7, 2008 11:44 PM | Report abuse

Eh, bullpuckey. Anyone who thinks he has the right stuff to be a head coach in the NFL can overlook whatever obstacles you think Snyder/Cerrato pose... the thought that "I'm different" explains a lot (like about 80% of college coaches).

My WAG is that Danny doesn't like anyone he's interviewed -- that he's a bit frustrated that he can't land his plash, that he can't go after Cowher, that there's no one out there that gets him where he wants to be.

And what exactly is his rush? Pretty soon, Hamster Nation will be exhausted and incoherent (admittedly, we've lapped incoherent like Richard Petty at Daytona) and the death cries will peter out into heated arguement between the idiots who think we have to draft a DE and the idiots who know that WR is the important position.

I know I'm looking forward to it already!

Posted by: daggar | February 7, 2008 11:50 PM | Report abuse

Danny should just hire Katie Holmes as the HC. I hear she has been made into a good robo....I mean puppet. We'd just have to beef up sideline security to keep Joe Namath from stumbling down there. Well, like Grandma said if you're going to be a drunk, at least be a happy drunk.

Posted by: kelly2field | February 7, 2008 11:50 PM | Report abuse

I hear what you're saying Lisa, but it still doesn't add up.

The Redskins job SHOULD be the opportunity of a lifetime for a coach, not a lever to parlay a bigger salary out of your existing employer?

Why wouldn't Cowher want to come out of retirement for this job?
Why wouldn't Bill Parcells have called up Wayne Huizenga and said "you know, I think I'd still like to coach one more time"?
Why wouldn't Steve Spagnuolo or Josh McDaniel be actively lobbying for the chance to resurrect the glory days in DC?
Why wouldn't Schottenheimer be willing to bury the hatchet with Snyder and say "please let me have another go"?

It's this, the 49ers (back to Championship games) or Dallas (Super Bowl only) who are the truly high-profile jobs.

Why isn't Sean Payton trying to get out of his contract somehow?

I don't know whether it's really the Owner specifically, or if there is just an air of "more trouble than it would ever be worth" in general, but for some reason the world is not beating a path to Ashburn when simple logic dictates that they ought to. I mean, to pick up other coaches from teams woul donly cost draft picks in the end wouldn't it? The money side of that is irrelevant, so why aren't they coming?

I don't have an agenda here, I really am puzzled, but something isn't right. I know it's an odd way of putting it but what if Snyder doesn't interview well? People often forget that it's a reciprocol process and each side is evaluating the other for 'fit.

Posted by: chris.taylor | February 7, 2008 11:54 PM | Report abuse

"I would say that whatever our numbers are, they're probably pretty much league-wide and probably pretty much society-wide. I don't think our team is any different from any other team or society as a whole. I don't think those numbers are out of whack. The hard thing is we hold these players to different standards. That's going to be the difficult part, figuring out how we are going to bridge that gap if these guys can't be within these normal societal numbers." -Jim Fassel.... its gonna be a hell of a year, fellow skins fans

Posted by: jmc2007 | February 7, 2008 11:58 PM | Report abuse

"Shouldn't you be busy hanging out at a starbucks??

by: barno | February 7, 2008 10:42 PM"


wow this just isn't funny....

Posted by: chrislarry | February 8, 2008 12:03 AM | Report abuse

cload! no-sleepy time for the cloadlets again?

Posted by: Redcoat | February 8, 2008 12:03 AM | Report abuse

Snyder might be thinking whether if he offers Meeks the job would he accept it or go running back to Indy for a fatter contract. He might not want the perception of another "Thanks, but no thanks." Maybe they should just do a raffle.

Posted by: skinfanman | February 8, 2008 12:04 AM | Report abuse

I've got it! Our next head coach will be....Lane Kiffin. I know it sounds crazy but.....Al Davis wants to Kiffin to quit....Kiffin refuses and says Al must fire him. Snyder hires Kiffin and Al then interviews Fassel, Mooch, Meeks, Little Bo Peep....

Posted by: Lisa_R | February 8, 2008 12:06 AM | Report abuse

Lisa, I think that idea is fabu.....that idea has been in the back of my mind as well....I am sure if Snyder essentially bought his contract he would "resign" allowing Davis to save money on his contract. At this point I would much rather see a young guy like him than Fassel...

We don't always agree...but I am simpatico on that tip....

Posted by: chrislarry | February 8, 2008 12:12 AM | Report abuse

Oh, I have to pace myself, 'coat -- have to make sure the Boy will make it through the night.
But like a moth to flame I had to swing by and see if anyone jumped today.

Posted by: daggar | February 8, 2008 12:13 AM | Report abuse

chrislarry, remember I did predict the Giants would be in the Super Bowl..back when they were 0-2 and everyone else had written their season off. So my premonition about Kiffin might be valid :)

Mort w/ESPN is predicting Fassel will be hired and announced tomorrow.

Posted by: Lisa_R | February 8, 2008 12:17 AM | Report abuse

Forgot you have to do that stuff. Sorry that it happens but kudos to how you guys handle it. If I were that sleep deprived I'd be even crazier/grumpier than I am now.

Just as an aside, our VP of Sales wanted to show the Glengarry Glen Ross "always be closing" speech by Alec Baldwin at our meeting this week the lead-off for his 'motivational' section. Surprisingly enough my counterparts in Marketing Communications were not keen on this. Can't think why.... :-)

Posted by: Redcoat | February 8, 2008 12:17 AM | Report abuse

Actually Lisa you even said Giants were scary in preseason...so I don't doubt your time machine slillz...I love the Kiffin idea...

But Mort is probably right....

Posted by: chrislarry | February 8, 2008 12:22 AM | Report abuse

The sirens of sleep are calling my name. I bid you all a good night.

May tomorrow bring you all better tempers and much better news.

Posted by: Redcoat | February 8, 2008 12:30 AM | Report abuse

Surprisingly enough my counterparts in Marketing Communications were not keen on this. Can't think why.... :-)

Posted by: Redcoat | February 8, 2008 12:17 AM

Now that's funny!

Posted by: daggar | February 8, 2008 12:44 AM | Report abuse

Redcoat, the Chargers have a solid team--but they had a solid team before Norv got there.

My prediction: the Chargers and the Cowboys will both underperform next year. Gurlz fans will be calling for Wade Phillips head, and Chargers fans will be calling for Norv's head by Week 12. Mark my words.

Posted by: Alan4 | February 8, 2008 12:47 AM | Report abuse

This is a joke Snyder should be going after the only coach that makes sense... MARTY SCHOTTENHEIMER!!!! That's right I said it Marty. Bring back MARTY!!. Snyder has said he regretted firing him and you know what he should bring him back. MARTY!MARTY!MARTY!!

Posted by: shootoill6 | February 8, 2008 1:56 AM | Report abuse

Since No One is awake to see this comment, I'll throw out the smartest and most creative solution of all.

Hire Bill Cowher, but don't have him start until 2009. In 2008, have Greg Blache as acting HC.

That gives Cowher the time he wants. Blache was thinking retirement, this might be a fun role for him. No more egos get bruised beyond those already bruised. No new HC has to accept the staff.

It really is a good solution ...

Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 8, 2008 2:24 AM | Report abuse

"Lost" anyone? Loved this week's episode.

I'm going to get my butt down to LA to arbitrate this strike if I have to. I need more "Lost"!

Posted by: PDiddy | February 8, 2008 3:25 AM | Report abuse

Is Lane Kiffin related to Monte Kiffin?

Posted by: PDiddy | February 8, 2008 3:28 AM | Report abuse

Never mind...Wikipedia to the rescue. Lane is the son of Monte.

Posted by: PDiddy | February 8, 2008 3:29 AM | Report abuse

"sanctimonious manner in which he spews his opinion."
Posted by: PDiddy | February 7, 2008 08:41 PM

Shouldn't you be busy hanging out at a starbucks??
Posted by: barno | February 7, 2008 10:42 PM

Q.E.D.

Posted by: PDiddy | February 8, 2008 3:39 AM | Report abuse

I can sort of see where Jasno is coming from in his post although I think he's way overstated things. Mora and Spags were happy where they were, Carroll will unlikely ever come back to the NFL and Cowher just plain isn't interested in any job at the moment. In other words, all had reasons to say "No".

However, if the Redskins job truly was a desirable gig for a good coach then one of those 4 would surely have found it too irresitable to say "No" to.

So while I don't think the job has become "highly devalued", I do think that it has certainly lost some of its sheen.

I'm hoping that there might still be another twist to come in this sorry saga. Fassel and Mooch don't inspire me. Those guys have had their day. If there are no surprises left in store then all that remains to say is "GO MEEKS". Give him a shot at showing Indy what they are gonna be missing by making Caldwell their next HC.

Posted by: tartanskin | February 8, 2008 4:53 AM | Report abuse

"The report notes Taylor's numerous tattoos, including "Donna," the name of his mother, on his left arm and a passage from Psalms with hands folded in prayer and the phrase "God Forgive Me" on his left shoulder and upper left arm.

"

From the ME Report......

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 8, 2008 5:00 AM | Report abuse

Chad Johnson on his behavior as of late:

"Johnson admitted Thursday on the NFL Network that he has "gotten out of line every now and then." But he added, "What great one doesn't? What great one is not emotional about what he does? What great one does not have passion about what he does? What great one hates losing?

"Find me a great one that doesn't do the same things that I've done in the past and I'll stop playing. Period."
"

Ah..Dude?? Art Monk.

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 8, 2008 5:04 AM | Report abuse

Very true 4thFloor.

If Chad Johnson is a man of his word then we should surely now expect the announcement of his retiral from the game to be imminent. Flamin' big head that he is.

Posted by: tartanskin | February 8, 2008 5:16 AM | Report abuse

You notice how after his initial baby whinning comments he tried to mix the message by talking about having a passion, what real HOFers have.

Real HOFers don't get out of line, they put people like Chad JOhnson in line....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 8, 2008 5:20 AM | Report abuse

He had everyone cool their jets about Fassel while he proceeded to hire the staff Fassel wants. This means none of the other candidates (at least the ones with experience) would be interested. He gets the HC he wants, the HC gets the staff he wants and we just want it to be over. Pretty savy PR move.

Posted by: Pthomas2mm | February 7, 2008 05:15 PM


This has to be the worst post of the DAY!

"Pretty savy PR move."

Posted by: mul | February 8, 2008 5:38 AM | Report abuse

Leevi98 was working overtime today.

How anyone could defend this crap in beyond me. Must think Vinny is a Good GM. Can't tell the difference between BS and reality. No memory banks (Jeff George)

Posted by: mul | February 8, 2008 5:44 AM | Report abuse

Dan the Man promotes, hire and works the employees like my old company! Both are financially sound, infact very profitable. Both have tools working in top-spots. Both would rather die than think. Both cannot understand why expereinced people leave...

Waiter, check please!

Posted by: erthdog | February 8, 2008 5:45 AM | Report abuse

You notice how after his initial baby whinning comments he tried to mix the message by talking about having a passion, what real HOFers have.

Real HOFers don't get out of line, they put people like Chad JOhnson in line....

Posted by: 4thFloor | February 8, 2008 05:20 AM

Yep, he realised he'd made an ass of himself and now he's trying to put some positive spin on it. Sounds a bit like VinnyDan trying to justify this sorry saga of a HC search by calling it "due dilligence" and having everyone call it "thorough". Maybe we will end up trading for Johnson - he sounds like a VinnyDan sort of a guy.

Posted by: tartanskin | February 8, 2008 5:53 AM | Report abuse

Why anybody would be surprised by the way things are working Now that Vinney is back in the driver seat is RETARTED!!!! Joe Gibbs is not an advisor anymore and never was going to be!They only said that to make the fans believe He was still a part of it!! Saunders and Williams being fired PROVES that!

Posted by: 1991solongago | February 8, 2008 5:55 AM | Report abuse

I scored 6 points against the Harlem Rockets (the Globetrotter's practice squad?) last night at a school fundraiser in front of a sell out crowd. I am clutch. I am super awesome.

Do we have a coach yet?

Posted by: Dorf | February 8, 2008 6:27 AM | Report abuse

I scored 6 points against the Harlem Rockets (the Globetrotter's practice squad?) last night at a school fundraiser in front of a sell out crowd. I am clutch. I am super awesome.

Do we have a coach yet?

Posted by: Dorf | February 8, 2008 06:27 AM

You are now officially just as qualified to coach the Redskins as Jim Fassel. Welcome to Washington!

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 8, 2008 6:33 AM | Report abuse

I scored 6 points against the Harlem Rockets (the Globetrotter's practice squad?) last night at a school fundraiser in front of a sell out crowd. I am clutch. I am super awesome.

Do we have a coach yet?

Posted by: Dorf | February 8, 2008 06:27 AM

You are now officially just as qualified to coach the Redskins as Jim Fassel. Welcome to Washington!

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 8, 2008 06:33 AM

Whoa!! Wait a minute here!! I fear that Dorf may have a mind of his own and is therefore not qualified to be the head coach of the Washington Redskins.

Posted by: tartanskin | February 8, 2008 6:41 AM | Report abuse

that and I suck at racquetball...

although... interviewing for the HC job may give me leverage with my current job. I could jump through Danny's hoops (and have a sleepover at his mansion) just long enough for my current employer to offer me a better contract.

Posted by: Dorf | February 8, 2008 6:45 AM | Report abuse

Whoa!! Wait a minute here!! I fear that Dorf may have a mind of his own and is therefore not qualified to be the head coach of the Washington Redskins.

Posted by: tartanskin | February 8, 2008 06:41 AM

Touche, tartanskin. Touche...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 8, 2008 6:47 AM | Report abuse

that and I suck at racquetball...

although... interviewing for the HC job may give me leverage with my current job. I could jump through Danny's hoops (and have a sleepover at his mansion) just long enough for my current employer to offer me a better contract.

Posted by: Dorf | February 8, 2008 06:45 AM

No way would Danny let himself be used like that. Doh!!

Posted by: tartanskin | February 8, 2008 6:57 AM | Report abuse

With all the chatting on here, I would think that JC would get on an update for us...even a "nothing has changed" would help.

Posted by: svxcountry | February 8, 2008 7:08 AM | Report abuse

With all the chatting on here, I would think that JC would get on an update for us...even a "nothing has changed" would help.

Posted by: svxcountry | February 8, 2008 07:08 AM

Would be nice svxcountry. I want to know what happened to that plane that was on its way to Phoenix. Who got off it? Who did they meet? Who got back on the plane? Did Danny fall out of the fire exit mid-flight?

Posted by: tartanskin | February 8, 2008 7:17 AM | Report abuse

There is no other explanation for this embarrassment besides that this franchise is the joke of the league. Cerrato is looked on as incompetent and Snyder drives people away because of his abrasive personality and wanting to run this team like a fantasy football team. No doubt that Gibbs left early to get away from these two clowns. What a joke.

Posted by: MKadyman | February 8, 2008 7:17 AM | Report abuse

This has become a real joke. F Dan

Posted by: jm220 | February 8, 2008 7:23 AM | Report abuse

OK people.

Remember the "Thursday or Monday are make a big splash days" talk yesterday.

Well if it is, Fassel is like a story you want to hide (Bush we seem to have lost 9 billions dollars in cash Iraq presser). That is a Friday at 5:30 deal.

So here it comes!

F all living things, faith, and matter!

Posted by: mul | February 8, 2008 7:24 AM | Report abuse

Were in the HE double toothpicks is JLC there has to be some new news since 2:30 yesterday when he last posted.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 8, 2008 7:24 AM | Report abuse

Well if it is, Fassel is like a story you want to hide (Bush we seem to have lost 9 billions dollars in cash Iraq presser). That is a Friday at 5:30 deal.

Posted by: mul | February 8, 2008 07:24 AM

Or how about 2am on Sunday morning?????

Posted by: tartanskin | February 8, 2008 7:29 AM | Report abuse

I honestly have come to the point it could be Fassel, Meeks, Mooch, Cowher, or Big Bird...I don't care. Just tell us something and move on. Okay...well maybe not Fassel but the rest still stand.

Posted by: svxcountry | February 8, 2008 7:31 AM | Report abuse

I just never thought this team would get so bad that even first time assistants won't take this job! Cowher I can understand, but Spags? This guy didn't even get the promise of being successor like Mora did! I just shudder to think who Snyder thinks is going to want this job once Fassel puts up a couple 3-13s...

Posted by: brownwood26 | February 8, 2008 7:39 AM | Report abuse

Johnson said he wanted those in the Bengals organization who have been speaking out against him to go public with their complaints. He said he was hearing them for 16 weeks.

"But now I don't hear them," Johnson said. "Where are you at now? It's time to let it out. The only voice I here is mine."

The receiver is at his fifth Pro Bowl, replacing New England's Randy Moss, and he defended his self-promoting manner and discussed his performances.

"Consistently, I've done it," he said in the NFL Network interview, according to The Associated Press. "I haven't done it perfect, but consistently at a high level. I get out of line at times, but what great one doesn't? What great one doesn't get emotional? Find me a great one who hasn't done it like that and I'll be quiet."

The Bengals don't plan to trade Johnson. They also don't plan to get a new contract. He's suggested trades to the Washington Redskins or the Miami Dolphins.

John Clayton is a senior writer for ESPN.com. Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.

Posted by: jm220 | February 8, 2008 7:47 AM | Report abuse

I just want to throw it out there. Why not just accept that we are Fed and let Zorn coach the team next year?

Posted by: alex35332 | February 8, 2008 7:50 AM | Report abuse

I hear the Caps are pretty good... they have a coach... is there a correlation?

Posted by: Dorf | February 8, 2008 7:58 AM | Report abuse

mul/tartanskin,

I was thinking about that on my way into work this morning. The Danny is waiting to spring the news between Friday 4PM and Sunday night.

Does he think we're stupid or something?

Snyder represents all 5 slots on my amphrax list now.

Posted by: RickyBobby | February 8, 2008 7:58 AM | Report abuse

Redskins Fact o' the Day:

While with Miami in 2000, tackle Todd Wade became the first Dolphins' rookie to start all 16 games on the offensive line since tackle Richmond Webb in 1990.

Posted by: Dorf | February 8, 2008 8:02 AM | Report abuse

Right, it's 1pm here in Scotland so I'm off for some lunch. Does anyone want me to bring anything back in for them?

Posted by: tartanskin | February 8, 2008 8:02 AM | Report abuse

For those that would like to think positively...it could have been worse...it could have been Brian Billick.

Posted by: svxcountry | February 8, 2008 8:03 AM | Report abuse

Wow. Chad Johnson is a class act, huh? Sounds like he'd fit in perfectly here.

Once the smoke settles from this ridiculous coaching search process... if the Skins go out and overpay for this clown, despite the fact that they are 20 mill over the cap, I will officially lose all hope.

Posted by: RickyBobby | February 8, 2008 8:05 AM | Report abuse

Why anybody would be surprised by the way things are working Now that Vinney is back in the driver seat is RETARTED!!!!
Posted by: 1991solongago | February 8, 2008 05:55 AM

But I haven't even been tarted the first time yet! And some people are being retarted??? That's not fair!

Posted by: daggar | February 8, 2008 8:06 AM | Report abuse

svxcountry,

please knock on wood. Fassel is behind buddies with Billick, so I wouldn't rule it out in the years to come...

the only way I'll be angrier than I already am with this process is if Snyder springs a suprise on us at the last minute. Carroll is a name that keeps popping up. That would be the dumbest move ever. Why would Snyder even interview the guy? Doesn't he remember the disaster that was the OBC?

I just don't get these 2 clowns running the team. WTF are they doing? They seem to do everything with reverse logic.

Posted by: RickyBobby | February 8, 2008 8:11 AM | Report abuse

I see the night passed quietly enough.

Congratulations Dorf, you've already scored 6 points more than I did in my entire almost-legendary basketball career.

Tartan skin, I'll have some tatties and neeps please!

Posted by: Redcoat | February 8, 2008 8:12 AM | Report abuse

No problem Redcoat. Consider it done. Would anyone like a can of Irn-Bru?

Posted by: tartanskin | February 8, 2008 8:15 AM | Report abuse

Sorry Redcoat, would you like some haggis with your tatties and neeps? Would be a pretty bland dish without it.

Posted by: tartanskin | February 8, 2008 8:18 AM | Report abuse

Thanks Tartan! Could I have something unexpectedly deep-fried in batter too please?

How is it 'over there' today, I thought you guys were getting some sucky weather lately?

Posted by: Redcoat | February 8, 2008 8:19 AM | Report abuse

I just don't get these 2 clowns running the team. WTF are they doing? They seem to do everything with reverse logic.

Posted by: RickyBobby | February 8, 2008 08:11 AM

What puzzles me is that I always saw Snyder as a prideful man, and he's turned himself into a national joke. Why would he do that? I think his favorite song is not "Hail to the Redskins" but "I Did it My Way."

Sally Jenkins called it yesterday when she said that he's not motivated by winning but by running things. If he keeps this up, I may have to stop defending him.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 8, 2008 8:20 AM | Report abuse

I actually like haggis a lot, so that would be great thanks. Please don't tell anyone over here though, they'd probably think I'm odd.

Where in Scotland are you?

Posted by: Redcoat | February 8, 2008 8:21 AM | Report abuse

In 2008, have Greg Blache as acting HC.
Posted by: zcezcest1 | February 8, 2008 02:24 AM
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Whoa hang on a second. The guys name is Greg Blache? Crap! This whole time I've been calling him Andray Blatche!

Posted by: curtmcgurt | February 8, 2008 8:22 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone want me to bring anything back in for them?

Posted by: tartanskin | February 8, 2008 08:02 AM

Just a six pack of single malt, please.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 8, 2008 8:22 AM | Report abuse

Please don't tell anyone over here though, they'd probably think I'm odd.

Posted by: Redcoat | February 8, 2008 08:21 AM

Redcoat? Odd? No chance of that.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 8, 2008 8:24 AM | Report abuse

It's come to a pretty pass when even t_e is forced to reevaluate. Sorry guys.

I'm off to be cheerful for the last day of the kickoff. Tartan, could you send me a deep-fried pizza and deep-fried mars bars with that order. And maybe something from any pub on Rose Street?

Catchulater!

Posted by: Redcoat | February 8, 2008 8:25 AM | Report abuse

Could do you a Mars Bar in some deep-fried batter Redcoat. How does that grab you?

It's just a typical grey February day over here today. Although it's a surprisingly mild 9 degrees. Weather has sucked big time these last few weeks - pretty much rained every day. You kind of get used to it though - getting soaked to the skin every time you step outside just becomes a way of life after a while!!

Posted by: tartanskin | February 8, 2008 8:25 AM | Report abuse

You kind of get used to it though - getting soaked to the skin every time you step outside just becomes a way of life after a while!!

Posted by: tartanskin | February 8, 2008 08:25 AM

40+ years of living in England will do that to you too... :-) The only difference down south is less snow!

Posted by: Redcoat | February 8, 2008 8:28 AM | Report abuse

OK

Change subject. Could Dallas be on the decline. Romo overrated, TO aging and gets injuries often, Glen (well is Glen), OL not that good and Declining, Running backs OK not great.

There D looks strong but they have problems in the secondary.

Well Dallas has problems too.

AHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: mul | February 8, 2008 8:29 AM | Report abuse

I actually like haggis a lot, so that would be great thanks. Please don't tell anyone over here though, they'd probably think I'm odd.

Where in Scotland are you?

Posted by: Redcoat | February 8, 2008 08:21 AM

I'm in Dumfries Redcoat - down near the border with England. I'm off to Edinburgh for the weekend though so will be touring the pubs of the famous Rose Street that you just mentioned.

Does anyone want me to bring anything back in for them?

Posted by: tartanskin | February 8, 2008 08:02 AM

Just a six pack of single malt, please.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 8, 2008 08:22 AM

No probs talent evaluator. Any particlar kind? I'm a Glenfiddich man myself.

Posted by: tartanskin | February 8, 2008 8:29 AM | Report abuse

Screw Synderrato!!!!!!!!! He will never get a dime of my hard earned money if this jacka$$ is the Skins next head coach!!!!!

http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/misc?url=/templates/zoom.pbs&Site=WT&Date=20080208&Category=SPORTS01&ArtNo=979365510&Ref=AR&Profile=1005

Posted by: john.schmidt | February 8, 2008 8:29 AM | Report abuse

TE,

I couldn't agree more. I think he makes a lot of decisions with reverse logic just to show that he's the boss.

The players, coaches and fans want Grilliams? Well tough, I'm the boss, I make the decisions, not them, he's gone.

The fans and national media know that Vinny is a laughing stock and that we desperately need a GM? Well tough, I'm the boss, I make the decisions, and Vinny is not only staying, but he's promoted. NO GM for all of you.

I could go on and on.

This isn't just insanely egotistical behavior, but it's also reckless, and to be honest, disturbing.

If he's going to do the opposite of everything the public, the fans, the media, his players and coaches, and common sense, well maybe everyone should scream for Spurrier again, or demand higher parking and ticket prices... I guess he probably wouldn't do the opposite with those ticket prices though, huh?

Posted by: RickyBobby | February 8, 2008 8:32 AM | Report abuse

tartanskin,

At this point in the coaching search, I can't be particular about my six pack. Any will do if it's 86 proof and doesn't taste too much like iodine. And, with a six pack, after the first one or two, you don't even notice the iodine flavor that much. You don't even notice your hands.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 8, 2008 8:33 AM | Report abuse

We should tread JC for 1 first round draft picks in 2011 and 2012.

That will make are 5 re-building operation go smother.

Posted by: mul | February 8, 2008 8:34 AM | Report abuse

Anyone remember that scene in the movie "The Big Chill" where William Hurt wanders down to the cottage and watches midnight to dawn Sci-Fi flicks? The girl comes down and sits next to him on the couch and asks him what he is doing and he replies something like, "I just sit here and let it all wash over me." This very thorough process has come to that point with me. Between Snyder and the leevi types I am just becoming numb to anything that could possibly make sense and I think I will just sit here and let it all wash over me. Maybe I will start singing old Doris Day songs.

Posted by: driley | February 8, 2008 8:36 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone know where they is a Redskins Anonymous Support Group? I just need to have a good cry.

Posted by: svxcountry | February 8, 2008 8:39 AM | Report abuse

I think this is the most posts their has ever been on this blog between JLC's posts. I'm willing to bet that JLC is signing a contract with Snyder right now.

Posted by: svxcountry | February 8, 2008 8:43 AM | Report abuse

I suppose that actually waiting for some games to be played, would be asking too much? Actually letting giving the team a chance to prove itself would be foolish?

Lets say for example the Skins start out 4-1, and Campbell is growing by leaps/bounds, what then?

Why not act somewhat rationally and maybe, just MAYBE let them play a game or two before jumping to conclusions?

Sorry if that was way too logical...

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 8, 2008 8:43 AM | Report abuse

For those of you that don't get it why Grimm should be considered for head coach:


http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07011/752956-66.stm

Posted by: Ireland2 | February 8, 2008 8:43 AM | Report abuse

I think this is the most posts their has ever been on this blog between JLC's posts. I'm willing to bet that JLC is signing a contract with Snyder right now.

Posted by: svxcountry | February 8, 2008 08:43 AM

Actually we had one last week that went over 1000

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 8, 2008 8:45 AM | Report abuse

I suppose that actually waiting for some games to be played, would be asking too much? Actually letting giving the team a chance to prove itself would be foolish?

Lets say for example the Skins start out 4-1, and Campbell is growing by leaps/bounds, what then?

Why not act somewhat rationally and maybe, just MAYBE let them play a game or two before jumping to conclusions?

Sorry if that was way too logical...

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 8, 2008 08:43 AM

I couldn't agree more, well said

Posted by: drumer1972 | February 8, 2008 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Oh, and some of us are realizing that the great thing about being Dan Snyder is that whatever you do only has to make sense to you. There will always be a cadre who will march to whatever tune you play, much like the rats dancing to the Pied Piper's tune.

Posted by: driley | February 8, 2008 8:46 AM | Report abuse

well scampbell...i guess we better get posting faster then...i'm doing all this amounst teaching high school!

Posted by: svxcountry | February 8, 2008 8:46 AM | Report abuse

I guess we should all just prepare ourselves for another 5 years of terrible Redskin football. The future is soooo dark.

Has an owner ever been heckled at his own stadium? If not I think Synder will be the first.

Posted by: kbrown | February 8, 2008 8:47 AM | Report abuse

So basically Grimm won't coach here because the staff is already picked and because he's smart and knows what he's doing (according to the article) Sounds about right to me.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 8, 2008 8:51 AM | Report abuse

I suppose that actually waiting for some games to be played, would be asking too much? Actually letting giving the team a chance to prove itself would be foolish?

Lets say for example the Skins start out 4-1, and Campbell is growing by leaps/bounds, what then?

Why not act somewhat rationally and maybe, just MAYBE let them play a game or two before jumping to conclusions?

Sorry if that was way too logical...

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 8, 2008 08:43 AM


Most teams have a coach before they start playing games.

Posted by: psps23 | February 8, 2008 8:51 AM | Report abuse

psp, you missed the point. But feel free to run around like a chicken without a head.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 8, 2008 8:56 AM | Report abuse

I've resigned myself to the fact that I don't get to pick the head coach so I will reserve judgement until the product is on the field. I'm not happy about the way this thing has played out but I am confident in both our coordinators ability (although I have to take peoples word about Zorn). Maybe we will get a retread that just wants a paycheck and will let the coordinators run the show.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 8, 2008 8:57 AM | Report abuse

I suppose that actually waiting for some games to be played, would be asking too much?

Sorry if that was way too logical...

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 8, 2008 08:43 AM

You're a new blogger, aren't you? I feel like I might have seen your name before, but these ideas are way new and way radical. You might want to try to get a better sense of what we're about up here before your next post.

Anyway, welcome to the blog.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 8, 2008 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone know where they is a Redskins Anonymous Support Group? I just need to have a good cry.

Posted by: svxcountry | February 8, 2008 08:39 AM

I need to go to one as well.

Posted by: jm220 | February 8, 2008 9:00 AM | Report abuse

We should tread JC for 1 first round draft picks in 2011 and 2012.

Posted by: mul | February 8, 2008 08:34 AM

Jason's in danger of being trod upon?

Posted by: HogsHead | February 8, 2008 9:00 AM | Report abuse

if it came down to fassel or pete carrol i would have to go with fassel becuse carrol had a terrible nfl record and he sucks. i do not want either one and i will not be buying anymore redskin stuff until they reach the super bowl. the skins are now the east coast raiders. only desperate people like turner and fassel will take the hc job.

Posted by: rls1041 | February 8, 2008 9:01 AM | Report abuse

ta, thanks, it was my first time posting EVAH....

I'll be panicking, swearing off having anything to do with the Redskins, and setting up a petition online in 5...4....3...2..

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 8, 2008 9:02 AM | Report abuse

What's the line on getting a coach before the beginning of training camp?

Posted by: Skinz | February 8, 2008 9:03 AM | Report abuse

I guess we should all just prepare ourselves for another 5 years of terrible Redskin football.

Posted by: kbrown | February 8, 2008 08:47 AM

kbrown--On Groundhog Day, the groundhog saw his shadow, so it's actually six more years of terrible football. But, five is close enough.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 8, 2008 9:03 AM | Report abuse

So basically Grimm won't coach here because the staff is already picked and because he's smart and knows what he's doing (according to the article) Sounds about right to me.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 8, 2008 08:51 AM

Maybe, but maybe not. I'm not so sure I'd want to go to Chicago either if my coaches were selected, but one thing is still constant, and that is that Grimm is smart and a good coach. He also played and coached here, so he has ties to this area.

One thing is for sure, if you never ask, you'll never know.

Posted by: Ireland2 | February 8, 2008 9:05 AM | Report abuse

I say, no news is good news. If it was Fossil, I think we would know by now.

Posted by: fawcett007 | February 8, 2008 9:07 AM | Report abuse

I say, no news is good news. If it was Fossil, I think we would know by now.

Posted by: fawcett007 | February 8, 2008 09:07 AM

Dude, This is Dan Snyder we're talking about. With him, there is not good news. No news is just that: no news.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | February 8, 2008 9:14 AM | Report abuse

I say, no news is good news. If it was Fossil, I think we would know by now.

Posted by: fawcett007

No late Friday afternoon that is when the bad new comes. See post above 6:30am ish.

Posted by: mul | February 8, 2008 9:15 AM | Report abuse

We should tread JC for 1 first round draft picks in 2011 and 2012.

Posted by: mul | February 8, 2008 08:34 AM

Jason's in danger of being trod upon?

Posted by: HogsHead

I meant Trade :)

Posted by: mul | February 8, 2008 9:17 AM | Report abuse

if it came down to fassel or pete carrol i would have to go with fassel becuse carrol had a terrible nfl record and he sucks.

Posted by: rls1041 | February 8, 2008 09:01 AM

i hate to break it to you, rls1041, but Carroll had a winning record in the pros.

Posted by: DreamOutLoud | February 8, 2008 9:27 AM | Report abuse

The Fassel announcement will be made around 5:00 pm today.

At this point the only positive for Redskins fans regarding Fassel and the upcoming season (and it is NOT a positive) is that we will not be getting our hopes up and thinking "new season....deep into the playoffs...possible Super Bowl" ...we already know the season will be dismal.

Posted by: Lisa | February 8, 2008 9:28 AM | Report abuse

who is barno?

Posted by: dadanimal | February 8, 2008 9:29 AM | Report abuse

The Fassel announcement will be made around 5:00 pm today.

At this point the only positive for Redskins fans regarding Fassel and the upcoming season (and it is NOT a positive) is that we will not be getting our hopes up and thinking "new season....deep into the playoffs...possible Super Bowl" ...we already know the season will be dismal.

Posted by: Lisa | February 8, 2008 09:28 AM

very true. this is likely the first season under the Snyder regime where the off-season didn't result in at least a POSSIBLE argument of, "this could be our year."

if it is Fassel, we're just gonna hope that JC develops and that Fassel bombs hard enough so that we can get Cowher next year.

Posted by: DreamOutLoud | February 8, 2008 9:31 AM | Report abuse

It's a sad state in Redskin land when we can't even land a first year DC following a great playoff run. Now we are relegated to a coach (Fassell) that has been ignored by everyone but Snyder.

Posted by: joeboggs | February 8, 2008 9:36 AM | Report abuse

I disagree w/ all of the negative sentiment. "We got a great group of "CORE" guys, who fight their guts out, and have a lot of heart." ( cackle cackle cackle) THIS IS THE CALM B4 the STORM! Redskins, 1st Rd Bye & home field! ZORN IS THE MAN!!!!

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | February 8, 2008 9:37 AM | Report abuse

The Fassel announcement will be made around 5:00 pm today.

At this point the only positive for Redskins fans regarding Fassel and the upcoming season (and it is NOT a positive) is that we will not be getting our hopes up and thinking "new season....deep into the playoffs...possible Super Bowl" ...we already know the season will be dismal.

Posted by: Lisa | February 8, 2008 09:28 AM

Lisa since you are a fortune teller can you tell me what the lotto numbers will be for this week. Were is your evidence that the Fassel announcment will be made at 5 or is this just more jumping to conclusion. We have just as much chance to go to the superbowl with Fassel as we would have with Williams.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 8, 2008 9:39 AM | Report abuse

As I was saying a week before the SB - it was going to be Fassel. All we can do now is hope for the best!

Posted by: cmecyclist | February 8, 2008 9:41 AM | Report abuse

It's too bad we signed Chris Cooley to an extension because L.J. Smith has just been franchised by the iggles. Would've loved to give up a number 1 for TE.

Just trying to use the absurd to illustrate that our situation could actually be worse - not much - but worse indeed.

Posted by: bangkokben | February 8, 2008 9:42 AM | Report abuse

we already know the season will be dismal

How do we know this?

Again, if asking that a few games be played PRIOR to jumping to conclusion is too rational, please let me know.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 8, 2008 9:43 AM | Report abuse

I disagree w/ all of the negative sentiment. "We got a great group of "CORE" guys, who fight their guts out, and have a lot of heart." ( cackle cackle cackle) THIS IS THE CALM B4 the STORM! Redskins, 1st Rd Bye & home field! ZORN IS THE MAN!!!!

Posted by: michael_b_clegg | February 8, 2008 09:37 AM

I think that's a bit premature but I like the way you think and I appreciate the optimism. Guess we'll have to wait and see who that group of core redskins turns out to be... New coaches have traditionally meant turnover as far as players are concerned. Especially with this front office.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | February 8, 2008 9:44 AM | Report abuse

I suppose that actually waiting for some games to be played, would be asking too much? Actually letting giving the team a chance to prove itself would be foolish?

Lets say for example the Skins start out 4-1, and Campbell is growing by leaps/bounds, what then?

Why not act somewhat rationally and maybe, just MAYBE let them play a game or two before jumping to conclusions?

Sorry if that was way too logical...

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 8, 2008 08:43 AM

We have 8 years of experience with Danny that demonstrates beyond doubt that he does not know what he is doing, when left to his own devices. IF they go 4-1, your post would make sense. But, does anyone really believe that they WILL or even MIGHT? They did not do it last year and what would make anyone think that they will be better next year? They have some decent players (V&D have not had time to screw that up yet, but they will) but the coaching structure is gone and you can bet Danny will be meddling even more, which is never a good thing. The Skins will be no better than mediocre as long as the current management is in place.

Posted by: dfogleman | February 8, 2008 9:46 AM | Report abuse

darn you bangkokben and your backward ways!

Keep your far east far out views to yourself!

That was blogrilegious. Blog Heresy. In a word: SHABINGUS!

Posted by: Dorf | February 8, 2008 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Let's be clear here..... Its not the new coach we are afraid of its Dan and Vinny are firmly back making all the of decisions.....

Posted by: Oldschool | February 8, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

IF they go 4-1, your post would make sense. But, does anyone really believe that they WILL or even MIGHT?

Why not act somewhat rationally and maybe, just MAYBE let them play a game or two before jumping to conclusions?

Sorry if that was way too logical...

Again, lets reserve judgement on this whole thing until some games are actually being played. I mean, we're only 7 months from the 2008 season..

I have to question as to why bother posting on a Redskins blog if the team makes you so miserable. I mean honestly, it just makes no sense to me??

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 8, 2008 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Hey Greg,

Do not bother trying to reason with most of the posters on here they no more about football then anyone and they all can tell the future can't you tell. If the team has a good season they will fine something else to Hate on.

Posted by: kmdp4 | February 8, 2008 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Greg,

In response to this: "Lets say for example the Skins start out 4-1, and Campbell is growing by leaps/bounds, what then?"

We were 3-1 this year but the big talk was how the offense wasn't helping the defense specifically the fact that the WRs weren't catching TDs. Now despite the playoff run, folks are still pointing this out as to why Saunders was chopped liver.

My point is that folks will see what they want to see despite evidence to the contrary. I don't mind a wait an see approach because frankly what else is there? However, I'm uninspired by the changes to this team that I, who has been optimistic about this team, see no silver lining.

Posted by: bangkokben | February 8, 2008 9:53 AM | Report abuse

I agree with oldschool. Fassel wouldnt be my first choice and he obviously isnt Snyderatto's first choice, but I think he could be successful in the right setting. Im not sure if anyone will ever be successful in the environment that is Dan Snyder's Redskins. Snyder is killing the very fabric of the Washington Redskins.

Posted by: saltynuts | February 8, 2008 9:57 AM | Report abuse

I say lets give Zorn a chance to put something in place, lets give him a chance to work with Campbell, and see what happens. Fassell has a rep, as being a good developer of quarterbacks, so why not give him a shot as well with JC, and wait for the results?? Crazy, I know.....

Posted by: gregmarino88 | February 8, 2008 9:58 AM | Report abuse

beep beep

Posted by: BCBarney | February 8, 2008 9:59 AM | Report abuse

DreamOutLoud,

And why exactly would Cowher want to come here next year? For a lot of wealthy people out there, money doesn't become the reasoning behind decisions anymore.

I have a better chance of stealing Gisele away from Tom Brady then Snyder has of talking Cowher into coming here next year with the following:

a) a losing team, or why else would Snyder be looking for another coach already

b) a meddling, lunatic of an owner

c) Vinny, which equals not the control Cowher's looking for

d) everyone in the league telling Cowher he'd be a moron for coming here, most of those coming from first hand experiences from other players/coaches.

e) coaches that probably can't be replaced per direct orders from the 2 headed dummies

f) cap problems, again

g) circus environment and mass confusion

do I need to keep going...

for a guy who doesn't need the money, why come here and deal with all of the above?

nobody wants to come here anymore. once storied, we are now the laughingstock of the league.

Thank you, Dan! Thanks for everything.

Posted by: RickyBobby | February 8, 2008 10:01 AM | Report abuse

There are 2 problems with the constant restructuring:

1) Players get their money upfront as their future salaries are converted into new signing bonuses. We've all seen the productivity bump in players in contract years...the inverse of that is that we will not get as much productivity out of players who basically have already gotten all their money. (See: Reciever, The)

2) When the players restructuring were in their 20s, it was not a big deal. But now we are setting up a situation (2010 looks bad for example) where when these players retire, the accelerated cap hit will be pretty devastating.

2a) At the extreme we get to the point where it is actually cheaper from a salary cap standpoint to keep a high priced older non productive player than to cut him. (See: Jansen, Lloyd)

The redskins will definitely get under the salary cap - but remember they need to set aside $5-$8 MM for draft picks, so they will need to be really restructuring a lot.

Posted by: cleary900 | February 8, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Any of you who think the Skins are going to return to prominence under this buffoon of an owner are smoking crack. In a million years you can't convince me that a retread outsider like Fassel is going to do a better job leading these men than Gregg Williams, a loyal insider who is liked and respected by the current players and was already on the payroll. I'm not saying Williams is the end-all be-all, but he was the right choice now and he deserved the opportunity. I simply fail to understand how a guy as successful as Snyder can be such a moron when it comes to understanding what makes people and, more importantly, teams click. It was worth taking a look for a year to see if last year's late season success could carry over into next year. If it didn't work, then Danny would have had carte blanche to make whatever moves he wanted next season without arousing the ire and hatred of the very people (i.e., the fans) who support him. Now he is a villain in his own city . . . perceived not just as an idiot, but worse, a complete A-hole.

I'm not giving up my seats, but only because of personal reasons in wanting to share football Sundays with my kids the way I did with my father and brother during the halcyon days of the 80s. I will always be a fan of the uniform. That being said, I will not spend a dime from the second I go through the turnstile to the second I exit the stadium, regardless of whether we're winning or losing.

As for why we post on these blogs if the team makes us so miserable? Good question. I guess there must be some cathartic effect when we hit "Submit." LOL
2/8/2008 10:22:15 AM

Posted by: skibrent | February 8, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Hire Joe Bugels as HC!

Posted by: admin | February 8, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

The course of action that is beginning to get some traction as an alternative to Fassel is to bump Zorn to HC. This makes some sense. It appears he was hired to establish a version of the WCO in DC. The WCO would actually fit the Skins well. Many reports are that Fassel endorsed ZOrn, but Fassel has little history with the WCO personally, so what value added is he to a HC move largely focused on integrating a new offensive scheme. Some would argue that Fassel's been a HC and Zorn only a position coach. Fassel's record as a HC and OC does not end well though. QB and QB coach are dynamic positions of leadership on any NFL team, so Zorn possesses more leadership experience in fact than on paper. Fassel has a past title, but his experience is a minus and his value-added to a WCO initiative w/ the Skins is unapparent. Zorn is a rising star whose leadership experience is under rated, but whose value added to the WCO plan is what the FO is already banking the Skins future on. The Skins should alter their plan to use the weekend to build acceptance of Fassel and hire the man as HC that they're already invested in for the Skins' success; Jim Zorn.

Posted by: RedskinsReverend | February 9, 2008 6:38 AM | Report abuse

The Information Operation to hire Fassel has won over Chris Mortenson on ESPN who was flat out making the case for Fassel as the logical choice on NFL Live. Again, the FO is using the weekend strategically to prep for the Fassel announcement on MON and did not go ahead yesterday so fans had the weekend to get over and forget Spags.
Mark Schlereth made it a point that from a player's perspective the length of the search and the process employed has undermined the "buy in" the players will have in the new HC's credibility. Even if its wrong, the impression is that Fassel is Snyder's "fail safe" candidate. Players will not follow the "fail safe." Unless Snyder is not using the weekend for his Fassel information campaign and making one last attempt to give the moon to Cowher, he should make the move to shift Zorn from OC to HC. Predicition is players and fans will more readily commit to that selection and the integration of the WCO w/ the Skins will be smoother without Fassel's inexperience with it muddying the process.

Posted by: RedskinsReverend | February 9, 2008 8:29 AM | Report abuse

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