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Strangest cut of all: Hall Davis

The final cut for the Redskins Tuesday may have been the strangest - linebacker Hall Davis, acquired Monday in a trade with the St. Louis Rams.

Davis, a seventh-round draft pick by St. Louis, had been preparing to play Thursday night against Arizona in the preseason finale.

"They've given me a limited number to know for the game, so I'm not trying to learn the whole playbook," Davis said after his only practice session with Washington.

The Redskins acquired Davis for a conditional draft pick Monday. On that same day, they sent tight end/fullback Dennis Morris to the Rams for another conditional draft pick.

The latest move gets the roster down to 75 from 80. The other cuts: safety Lendy Holmes, offensive lineman Edwin Williams and long snapper James Dearth. Wide receiver Malcolm Kelly was placed on injured reserve.

By Barry Svrluga  |  August 31, 2010; 4:27 PM ET
 
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What? This makes no sense. I guess they don't want to give up that conditional pick. Hard to believe that every other player on the 75 has a shot to make the 53 though. There has to be someone else that they know won't make it; why not give this kid a chance?

Posted by: psps23 | August 31, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

So i guess we don't have to give up any picks for him?

Posted by: nfcBEaST | August 31, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Never trust a man with 2 last names.

Posted by: Original_etrod | August 31, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

He must have really impressed at practice today ;)

Posted by: stevek20147 | August 31, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

They cut him so they can sign him to the practice squad after he clears waivers.


BTW Derrick Ward was just cut by Tampa Bay.

Hmmm.....

Posted by: edvar | August 31, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Adding insult to injury to Redskins training camp legends hall of fame, Marcus Mason was also cut today. What!?! Colt Brennan better watch his back out there in Oakland....

Posted by: AdamCr | August 31, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Marko Mitchell cut as well...on wr starved Vikings....rev up the marko hype machine...

Ward is interesting.....better Shanahan reclimantion project than Slow Willie (i feel bad typing that....he killed for me in fantasy 4 seasons ago)

Oh and I am not a DHall hater, but can he please not be such a blabber mouth to the press:

DeAngelo Hall says Redskins misdiagnosed Kelly's injury
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on August 31, 2010 4:40 PM ET
We aren't done with Malcolm Kelly drama for the year after all.

Redskins cornerback DeAngelo Hall said on ESPN 980 (via the Washington Post) earlier this month that Kelly's hamstring injury was misdiagnosed by the Redskins staff. (No word if Hall asked the radio hosts to take off their heels before the interview.)

"They thought it was one thing, he ended up finally getting a second opinion three weeks later, and we find out it was something a heck of a lot worse than they ever thought it was," Hall said. "So we're here babying Malcolm, saying, 'He's a baby, he's a baby, get out there and play,' when he has a Grade 2 strain. And they're around here saying it's a Grade 1 and there ain't nothing wrong with him."

Posted by: chrislarry | August 31, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

If the Skins intended on stashing him on the practice squad, better to have left him on the roster until the final cut - less time for another team to take a look at him.

Posted by: thinker11 | August 31, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

If you count the Haynesworth situation, that's the second misdiagnosis of the summer. Is that the place you want the training staff to be heading into the season?

Posted by: TWISI | August 31, 2010 3:35 PM

I don't count the Haynesworth thing. The media created that entire scenario.

Posted by: saltine182 | August 31, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Stupid...and can DHall shut his f'ing pie hole for once! Please????

Posted by: PlayAction | August 31, 2010 4:02 PM

As a Hokies fan, I can say that much like Kelly's pre-existing injuries in college, Hall had an analogous pre-existing condition---an inability to STFU.

Posted by: HokiesSkins | August 31, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

To all the smarmy peeps mocking the Marko hollering... not saying he's a potential HOFer or Pro Bowler for that matter. I'm just saying-- considering that our tallest WR was just put on IR, stash MM (Marko, not Mason) on the practice squad and see if he can't help us in the red zone down the stretch. There might be something there.

Posted by: TDawg1 | August 31, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

OMFG - Move On. No One Cares...

Washington Post ombudsman says Wise is "lucky he wasn't fired"
Posted by Mike Florio on August 31, 2010 4:53 PM ET
Within 20 minutes after Mike Wise announced on his radio show (and we assume it wasn't a hoax, but if it was it would have been a damn good one) that he had been suspended for a month by the Washington Post for intentionally and deliberating fabricating a report that he published via Twitter, we posted in this space an item containing our initially reaction to the development.

We said, among other things, "Frankly, Wise should be glad he wasn't fired."

Dan Levy of Press Coverage thought I was kidding. So he asked me if I was kidding (a question that is now arguably required, since apparently the media never can be sure it's not being punked by one of its own), and I explained my position to Levy.

Among other stuff, I said of Wise, "He intentionally and deliberately fabricated a report. I can imagine no greater offense to his profession than that."

For what it's worth, the Washington Post ombudsman, Andrew Alexander, largely agrees with me: "Fabrication is a major journalistic transgression," Alexander writes regarding Wise. "He's lucky he wasn't fired."

Later, Alexander writes, "Wise wasn't reporting. He was fabricating, which is the greatest sin in journalism."

So we said Wise should be glad he wasn't fired, and his newspaper's ombudsman said Wise is lucky he wasn't fired. And I said that I can imagine no greater offense to Wise's profession than fabrication, and his newspaper's ombudsman says that fabrication is the greatest sin in journalism.

The fact that the ombudsman and I are in lockstep on those issues possibly could be enough to get Wise to resign.

Posted by: 4thFloor | August 31, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse


"They thought it was one thing, he ended up finally getting a second opinion three weeks later, and we find out it was something a heck of a lot worse than they ever thought it was," Hall said. "So we're here babying Malcolm, saying, 'He's a baby, he's a baby, get out there and play,' when he has a Grade 2 strain. And they're around here saying it's a Grade 1 and there ain't nothing wrong with him."

Hall shouldn't talk about other folks medical business, especially through the media.

Posted by: hessone | August 31, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Just getting caught up today, and they used "mounting" in one of the headlines again? Really...really? Not hatin, but it's a funny quirk.

Someone needs to ask Hall how he liked his ham sandwich. No other real(or imagined surprises in these cuts.

MK to IR is a good move. If he's still not bringing anything to our offense next year(likely), cut him then and lose nothing.

Or cut him now and have him go to the probowl for Minnesota along with Marko "Rice" Mitchell...~

Posted by: RomoLongballs | August 31, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

4th, I somehow agree with both you and Florio at the same time--I don't care about what he did and I think he should be fired.

Posted by: RomoLongballs | August 31, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

We only traded for Hall to get the stick of gum.

(Does that joke even make sense anymore? Do trading cards still come with a stick of gum?)

Posted by: freakzilla | August 31, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

tdawg1....the Marko dawg don't hunt, he has been cut by three teams in 5 months including WR deprived Skins, the lowly Lions and the suddleny WR-less vikes

Posted by: chrislarry | August 31, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

We only traded for Hall to get the stick of gum.

(Does that joke even make sense anymore? Do trading cards still come with a stick of gum?)

Posted by: freakzilla | August 31, 2010 5:08 PM

Nope. They only come with a note reminding kids to drink their Ovaltine.

Posted by: Section104 | August 31, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Nope. They only come with a note reminding kids to drink their Ovaltine.

Posted by: Section104

I'd be wary of Ovaltine served by Frau Blucher

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 31, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

They brought the guy in and he didn't look the same as the person they scouted so they let him go. Whatever.

Posted by: themantoyou | August 31, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Bruce Allen: "Sorry buddy, we've already got both a Hall and a Davis on the team. No room for you."

Posted by: walkdwalk | August 31, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

I'd be wary of Ovaltine served by Frau Blucher

Posted by: zcezcest1 | August 31, 2010 5:33 PM

Best line today! LMFAO!!!

Posted by: SignPost | August 31, 2010 5:45 PM | Report abuse

This week's cuts mean nothing.

Next Tuesday's will be very, very, very, very interesting.

And if they are not, well, I guess we should all just drink our Ovaltine and say, "Fuk-It-All!"

Posted by: MistaMoe | August 31, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

For those who mentioned the Ward cutting we're on the same page, also Justin Fargas was cut by Denver. I believe he is an over achiever who run with heart, but was caught in the psychological Raider mess of building up Bush's and McFadden's confidence. And so they cut him. The Raiders had the same frame of mind when they picked up Jeff Garcia and cut him to build up Russell's confidence. Look how that turned out.

I have a funny feeling that the Skins final roster will include some boys who weren't even in camp. I kind of think BA has been looking forward to this time in the preseason to make some moves, that will be cheap or cost nothing at all.

Posted by: clark202 | August 31, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

I have a feeling this is going to be a long season.

Just a guess, mind you.

I also have a teensy feeling by the end of this season we'll see that this organization has finally turned a corner.

I'm just not seeing it right now.

Posted by: Pepper5 | August 31, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

This might help clarify.

The trade as is was reported:

Washington gets:
Hall Davis (who the skins were going to cut anyway)
+one pick (contingent)

Rams get:
Dennis Morris
+one pick (contingent)

Possible strategy for the skins:

Washington cuts Davis thus nullifying the pick proffered the Rams because he is not on the roster.

Result:

Washington
+ one pick

Rams:
Dennis Morris

Explanation: Instead of simply offering the Rams Dennis Morris for a pick (which the Rams weren't going for), they saw one of two possibilities for additional value over simply cutting Morris.

1) The Rams seemed unwilling to trade for Morris by giving up one of their picks, so the skins packaged a deal in which the Rams believed they would get a pick in return. The skins then cut Hall which took the pick away from the Rams, thus netting a pick for the skins via the roster clause.

2) There is some advantage to releasing a player and picking him up again off waivers that I am unaware of.

Or perhaps the redskins are simply disorganized.

Additional potential influences:
The Mk situation could have made some kind of a difference. With Mk out, perhaps the redskins have now allocated two roster spots for receivers given the belief that Mk would have filled a role, as the third or fourth receiver, in which key aspects of the offense were pinned to MK's participation. Now without mk, ability to bring in two receivers became necessary to compensate for all the projected uses of Mk in Shannys offense. The extra roster spot was cleared by cutting Davis. This one is a longshot.


Still, we have no idea until the coaches tell us why, so...

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | August 31, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse

To all the smarmy peeps mocking the Marko hollering... not saying he's a potential HOFer or Pro Bowler for that matter. I'm just saying-- considering that our tallest WR was just put on IR, stash MM (Marko, not Mason) on the practice squad and see if he can't help us in the red zone down the stretch. There might be something there.

Posted by: TDawg1 | August 31, 2010 4:54 PM |

Yep.

The guy scores touchdowns. What's not to like?

Posted by: Thinker_ | August 31, 2010 8:09 PM | Report abuse

here is the biggest shocker that i saw as far as the first cut is concerned why in the world is edwin williams was cut olineman who can play three different positions those kind of players are very difficult to find if shanahan is looking to upgrade the depth of the oline then you don't do it when the season is aboput to begin sure you can find lineman fron the first cuts the questions is that are they zone blocking type lineman that shanny covets i rather have cut reinhart than williams he was not only better player but he was hunting for the starting spot to take from reibach eventually once he got more matured as a lineman

Posted by: rmnkevorkian | August 31, 2010 8:14 PM | Report abuse

reason williams was cut was probably because he is more of a power type lineman and we are looking for a different style because of the schemes we run.. tough luck for him. maybe he can catch on somewhere else, like Denver ? Lichtensteiger was an on man out for much the same reason. How tough is it for Andre Carter coming off the best year of his career and now, maybe, on the bubble ??? Happens

Posted by: shally | August 31, 2010 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Chris Horton is better than reed doughy we won 4 games last year Horton caught a int saving one of those games. How many int does doughy have 4 last year & he misses tackles.Maybe Hortons injury slowed him down??????

Posted by: labpatti | August 31, 2010 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Chris Horton is better than reed doughy we won 4 games last year Horton caught a int saving one of those games. How many int does doughy have 4 last year & he misses tackles.Maybe Hortons injury slowed him down??????

Posted by: labpatti | August 31, 2010 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Oh for goodness sake. Kelly has never not been hurt. Cut the guy and move on.

Posted by: dbeins | August 31, 2010 10:17 PM | Report abuse

If the Skins intended on stashing him on the practice squad, better to have left him on the roster until the final cut - less time for another team to take a look at him.

Posted by: thinker11 | August 31, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, something seedy's going on. It's an unwritten part of the other trade. Wonder if someone could charge tampering or something. ? Not that I really care, but it is a little odd.

Posted by: WorstSeat | August 31, 2010 10:44 PM | Report abuse

You give up a pick for a guy you cut? WTF?

Posted by: tmkelley | August 31, 2010 11:59 PM | Report abuse

Did I see a post by ShallyShal? Welcome back brother. Havent seen you here in a while...since just after Katrina. Hope all is well.

Posted by: 20yrskinfan | September 1, 2010 12:17 AM | Report abuse

we trade for then cut a guy within 24 hrs....is Vinny back???

hehe, HTTR

Posted by: Notorious_LMG | September 1, 2010 12:22 AM | Report abuse

again, they waste time, energy and mess with some kid's head and should have just cut the guy they sent to the last place rams. wow, mcchicken is busted, no NFL caliber wr on the roster, portis can't break 5.0 in a 40, and who kows if they are ready in their first live action running a 3-4 against dallas with dez bryant coming back and their starting right tackle too. can we just get bob marley off the helmet, get some new colors, fire everyone over 25, and just burn 3 drafts so we can compete like an NFL team in 4 years.

Posted by: doyouktt | September 1, 2010 6:22 AM | Report abuse

There is always a back story. This was a money saving move for the Rams and Redskins.

Chris Mortenson of ESPN reports:
The NFL Players Association is monitoring a little-known "85-percent rule" in 2010 after two minor trades this week involving rookie players were made, according to union and league sources.

Under the rule, which is only applicable in an uncapped year, any drafted rookie that is cut by his team is guaranteed 85 percent of his first-year minimum-wage $310,000 salary.

However, the union believes the Redskins and Rams circumvented the rule when they exchanged rookie players in separate transactions earlier this week. The Redskins traded rookie tight end/fullback Dennis Morris to the Rams for a future conditional draft pick; the Redskins then acquired rookie linebacker Hall Davis, also for a conditional draft pick.

Davis was cut by the Redskins after he practiced just once, on Tuesday. Davis will not be paid $272,000 he would have been due if the Rams had cut him. The Rams are expected to release Morris when yet they make their final roster cuts this week from 75 to 53.

Davis and Morris were each sixth-round draft choices.

The 85-percent rule applies only to rookies who were drafted in April. There are other quirks -- if a drafted rookie is waived by a team and re-signed by the original club to its practice squad, he will get the difference of the practice squad minimum of $80,000 and the minimum-wage $310,000 -- or $230,000.

Also, a drafted rookie will not be entitled to that 85-percent guarantee if he is cut and claimed on waivers by another team.

One other rookie trade involving sixth-round draft picks between the Cardinals and Eagles also is under scrutiny by the union -- Arizona dealt rookie cornerback Jorrick Calvin for rookie fullback Charles Scott.

The Cardinals did lose fullback Nehemiah Broughton for the season in Saturday night's preseason game.

Posted by: Weave160 | September 1, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

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