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Summer Is Over. No, Really.

Jason and I are well-rested, ready to (hmmm...which cliche to use?) hit the ground running (yeah, that's it!) Monday. You've all blogged your guts out in our absence and we head into the week at 66,074 comments. Nice work. I have not yet given up on 100k by July 30, our first anniversary, but when I dream, I dream big. Before we turn our undivided (mostly, except for debates on the cinematic, the single malt, the opposite sex, the envy we all feel for P Diddy) attention to LaRon Landry and his contract and other matters, let's review what we've learned this summer, so that we're all on the same page after a summer of dissipation.
We learned that:
The Insiders are a generous lot, giving of their time to raise money for things like juvenile diabetes and to build houses in N'Awlins. We tip our cap;
I had nothing to do with that little Upper East Side blackout in Manhattan;
MVDame is still not a chick. He takes occasional grief on the blog, but he's a he;
We're not sure what time it is in Australia, but it doesn't really seem to matter to Kost and we love that;
Redcoat, our British bro, Nate and Dealer did major duty finding things to talk about (some of which ruined Jack's Kids. Sorry.);
We welcomed back SFSkin and Lisa;
If Jack's kids turn to a life of crime, it'll be because of something they read here. SJK (Sorry, Jack's Kids) is now official blogspeak; remember it, use it;
Flomax is a stupid name for a product;
We don't care much for any of the summer movies, except we're all excited about "The Simpsons" and "The Boren Ultimatum." You read that right; they've been misspelling it for years;
This whole Vick thing is sick. Even if he's the target of an overzealous prosecutor and even if his only complicity was in owning the property, we're disgusted. It's just too much.
I'm sure there's other stuff I've forgotten....Help me out here.

By Cindy Boren  |  July 20, 2007; 1:36 PM ET
 
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16th!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 20, 2007 1:57 PM | Report abuse

CynCity

You forgot to mention the rumored "Redskin Transformer" someone noticed in the Transformers
movie. We all hope that Dan has finally found a new,
albeit tacky commercialized, hobby.

Posted by: periculum | July 20, 2007 2:01 PM | Report abuse

I have to see the Redskin Transformer for myself. What can I say? I'm from Missouri.

Posted by: Cindy | July 20, 2007 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Oh come on Cyn Cyty! Transformer movie is all that. I have seen it 3 times already.

Posted by: jm220 | July 20, 2007 2:09 PM | Report abuse

70k by monday at noon?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 20, 2007 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Ratatouille!

An animated rat makes like Alton Brown.

Posted by: EL | July 20, 2007 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Welcome back Cindy.

When does training camp open?

Posted by: Redskins Willie | July 20, 2007 2:20 PM | Report abuse

New Words Created form this Blog:

Shabingus
LMGO
SJK

I know I'm missing something......

Posted by: 4th | July 20, 2007 2:28 PM | Report abuse

"Now the athletic apparel store Eastbay appears to be trying to dump its Vick merchandise as quickly as possible. Eastbay is slashing prices on all its Vick jerseys, with replica jerseys that had gone for $74.99 now selling for $29.99, premier jerseys that had gone for $99.99 now selling for $49.99, and authentic jerseys that had gone for $259.99 now selling for $119.99.

"

Posted by: 4th via PFT | July 20, 2007 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Gosh, do we have to re-hash everything that we talked about these last couple of weeks in this entry?

Posted by: charlie | July 20, 2007 2:34 PM | Report abuse

what those people did "allegedly" to those dogs is INSANE. i say this without any sarcasm these people need medical help. OR they're just acting like kids. (SJK)rember when some kids used to burn ants with magnifying glass? or put bugs in bags and grill 'em? or cut worms in half or cut a lizard's tail off? but that was for enterntainment this seems like some sort of sadistic powertrip(/SJK)

Posted by: dealer | July 20, 2007 2:35 PM | Report abuse

August 1, 2006 -- a date that will live in infamy...

Cyn Cyty, shouldn't that be the one-year anniversary as that's when Jasno posted the first ever RI thread ("The Beginning - An Ode To Spandex")?

Posted by: MV Dame | July 20, 2007 2:36 PM | Report abuse

"Tomlinson: Chargers coach worried about playoffs
Chargers RB LaDainian Tomlinson asked what will be different about San Diego with new coach Norv Turner. "Norv first came in and said "Guys, listen, I don't care about winning 14 games in the regular season or anything like that. We're gonna win games in the regular season. We all know that." He said "What I'm concerned [about] is the playoffs. We'll get to the playoffs and [get] over that hump. To me, it really doesn't matter about winning 14 games. That means nothing to me. It's all about the playoffs and what are you gonna do when you get there." -- Fox Sports Radio

"

Norv - Meet JM220's Hammer.....

PLayoffs are gaurenteed for nobody....

Posted by: 4th | July 20, 2007 2:36 PM | Report abuse

sfskin mentioned coffee flavored tequila on the previous thread. Wow. If I could get a tequila flavored like a Starbucks soy mocha, I might turn into an alcoholic.

Don't forget LBM and BBM on the blogspeak.

St. Joe and "Mr." Snyder are two that I use that most folks don't. The former referring of course to St. Joe's infallible nature as our head football coach, and the latter to the Napoleanic demand for "Mr." Snyder to always be referred to as such, while with Mr. Cooke it was simply understood from the onset.

Is it too early to start drinking?

Posted by: P Diddy | July 20, 2007 2:40 PM | Report abuse

BAMF
BYGO/BYGOT
ITA

Posted by: charlie | July 20, 2007 2:42 PM | Report abuse

It's 5 o'c somewhere, Diddy. Bermuda I think.

Posted by: SMACK | July 20, 2007 2:43 PM | Report abuse

jason, did you work in the advertisement department (of wapo) in 1994? just asking. no reason.

Posted by: dealer | July 20, 2007 2:44 PM | Report abuse

August 1, 2006 is certainly the day that my productivity at work took a nosedive, thus furthering my disenchantment with The Borg, causing me to float outside with entrepreneurial wanderlust, and thus plunging me into the deadly roller coaster of ups and downs that I am currently on.

Jasno ruined my life.

But if we get acquired in the end, it'll all be good. I might even send Jasno a t-shirt.

Posted by: P Diddy | July 20, 2007 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Freeney contract specifics

Along with $30 million in guaranteed bonuses, Freeney's landmark contract includes base salaries of $750,000 this year and next, $6.22 million in '09, $8.825 million in '10, $11.42 million in '11 and $14.035 million in '12.
Had a long-term contract not been finalized, Freeney would have counted $10.4 million against the '07 cap as an "exclusive franchise player'' (which would have included approximately $950,000 from his previous contract, which he voided). Now, he counts $6.7 million this year and $5.75 million in '08.
The team might revisit Freeney's deal after the 2010 season. His cap number mushrooms to $16.42 million in '11 and $19 million in '12.

Posted by: 4th | July 20, 2007 2:46 PM | Report abuse

It's 5:00 in Iceland - have some vodka.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 20, 2007 2:47 PM | Report abuse

POSTED 5:38 p.m. EDT; UPDATED 6:09 p.m. EDT, July 18, 2007

FREENEY GETS $15 MILLION NOW, $15 MILLION IN FEBRUARY

A league source tells us that the bonus money paid to Colts defensive end Dwight Freeney will come in the form of $15 million now and $15 million in the middle of February.

Coincidentally, another league source tells us that the Colts very recently received $15 million as part of the league's new supplemental revenue sharing program.

The $15 million that comes due in February 2008 is, technically, an option bonus. We're told, however, that there is a non-exercise fee of $15 million. Thus, unless the Colts cut Freeney before the middle of February, he will get the full $30 million.

Posted by: pft.com | July 20, 2007 2:58 PM | Report abuse

NFL, Falcons could ask Vick to focus energies in court

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2943276

Posted by: Anonymous | July 20, 2007 2:59 PM | Report abuse

REF ACCUSED OF BETTING ON GAMES

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2943095

Posted by: espn.com | July 20, 2007 3:03 PM | Report abuse

was just given a link for this. I'm NOT pushing it, as I've not tried it yet...but DAMN! If any blog would love this stuff..it's RI

www.baconsalt.com

If I'm out of line for posting....shabingus on me.

Posted by: bornafan | July 20, 2007 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Pork tastes good; bacon tastes good.

Posted by: JT | July 20, 2007 3:07 PM | Report abuse

"St. Joe's infallible nature as our head football coach, and the latter to the Napoleanic demand for "Mr." Snyder to always be referred to as such, while with Mr. Cooke it was simply understood from the onset."

Is it too early to start drinking?

Posted by: P Diddy | July 20, 2007 02:40 PM

4 Superbowls. Only one loss. Undefeated in NFC championship games. All in 10 years.

JKC was busy with other things like the LA Times. His office was in Middleburg VA. He left Joe and the GMs alone. He NEVER, NEVER picked a player. He never had personal grudges against players. He never got involved enough for that to happen. Cooke only got involved to mediate disputes and to get contract negotiations "unstuck".

He built and paid for his own stadium after he was insulted and ridiculed by DC's ridiculous mayor at the time.

Snyder's office is at Redskin's park. He is always involved in every player acquisition, in choosing who stays and who goes, in every contract negotiation. Every decision. All that is left is for him to take over coaching duties for a half as Al Davis did in the Raiders first Superbowl agains the Packers and Vince Lombardi. And we all know what happened in that half.

I am certain that it is always a struggle for Joe Gibbs to get things done right. Very, very certain.

NEXT ....

Posted by: periculum | July 20, 2007 3:11 PM | Report abuse

"DISTRICT BRIEFING

Friday, July 20, 2007; B04


ESCORT SERVICE CASE

Owner Called Post's Ad Department in 1994

Deborah Jeane Palfrey, the alleged D.C. madam, made four calls to The Washington Post's advertising department in 1994, according to her phone records.

Palfrey placed two calls to The Post's advertising department Sept. 30, one Oct. 18 and one Oct. 27. The calls ranged from one to five minutes.

Post spokesman Eric Grant said yesterday that he was "not in a position to comment" on the nature of the calls.


-- Keith L. Alexander

"

Posted by: 4th | July 20, 2007 02:22 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | July 20, 2007 3:11 PM | Report abuse

"Wednesday, July 18, 2007
Officer: Person of interest in Williams death denies shooting Broncos player

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Associated Press

DENVER -- A man considered a person of interest in the shooting death of Broncos cornerback Darrent Williams wrote a letter in state prison saying he did not kill Williams, a federal agent testified Wednesday.


Willie DeWayne Clark, 24, wrote to another inmate saying authorities had asked him about Williams' slaying "but I didn't do it," Special Federal Officer Robert Fuller said during a hearing in an unrelated drug case against Clark. "

See, why are they prosecuting this guy? He wrote a letter to state he didn't do it. (Hopefully the sarcasim has been noticed)......

Posted by: 4th | July 20, 2007 3:18 PM | Report abuse

"The RI acts as a Skins Anonymous during the months of January thru August. If you're feeling depressed or angry about skins moves/non-moves or about life in general please visit us at Skins Insider Clinic. It's free.

We offer great services such as soap boxes, jm'ammers to the head, advice on: fashion, travel, weight training, burger joints, bars, drinks, music, taxes, venture capital, free internet, movies, sex, politics(prefer republicans, the real ones!).

Only Skins fans are welcome with reviewed enrollment of non-skins fans.

spell chekc not necessary."

Posted by: dealer | July 20, 2007 3:18 PM | Report abuse

did something happen between jason and the bloggers? cuz he and the bloggers who did the pub crawl with him are suspiciously quiet. "swords touch" or summ? spill it!

Posted by: dealer | July 20, 2007 3:24 PM | Report abuse

"swords touch" or summ? spill it!

Dealer double smack to the back of your damn head. I think you just made me sick.

Posted by: jm220 | July 20, 2007 3:26 PM | Report abuse

REF ACCUSED OF BETTING ON GAMES

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2943095

Posted by: espn.com | July 20, 2007 03:03 PM

there's no such thing as mafia.

Posted by: dealer | July 20, 2007 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Very curious, indeed, dealer. Very, very curious.

And now we have Cindy posting.

Where are the bodies buried?

Posted by: P Diddy | July 20, 2007 3:29 PM | Report abuse

sorry jm220....LMGO! i'm just sayin...

Posted by: dealer | July 20, 2007 3:37 PM | Report abuse

"Newspapers may boycott NFL games
Posted: Friday July 20, 2007 07:19AM ET
Outraged by a new rule that would turn photographers into walking billboards, several prominent newspapers are considering boycotting NFL games this fall. The edict would require photographers to wear red vests with prominent product logos. The New York Times and Houston Chronicle are among the other newspapers that have expressed serious concern over the new rule. The league likely will point out that photographers at the Olympics had to wear vests that featured the word "Kodak." But those bibs were darker, the logo was smaller and the Olympics are essentially a non-profit event.

Chicago Tribune
"

Posted by: 4th | July 20, 2007 3:38 PM | Report abuse

jm220- Missle launchers on the front yards in NJ now?

http://wcbstv.com/local/local_story_201113005.html

Posted by: 4-12 | July 20, 2007 3:39 PM | Report abuse

"POSTED 3:09 p.m. EDT, July 20, 2007

VICK BLAMED HIS FAMILY AGAIN LAST WEEK by Michael David Smith

In a video on FoxSports.com, NFL reporter Jay Glazer recounts a discussion he had with Falcons quarterback Michael Vick when the two ran into each other in Las Vegas last week. According to Glazer, Vick blamed his family for the dog fighting investigation that led to Vick's indictment this week.

"He told me he was not going to get indicted, his family members, they are the ones really the target here," Glazer says of his conversation with Vick. "He said, 'I'm telling you, I'm not going to get indicted.'"

For Vick to say that his family was at fault indicates that he knew dog fighting was going on at the Virginia property. And the fact that the cousin who lived there, Davon Boddie, was not indicted is a good indication that Boddie has flipped on Vick and is one of the cooperating witnesses listed in the indictment.

As for Glazer, he says he tried to explain to Vick that when the government launches a massive criminal investigation, the owner of the property where the criminal activity occurred generally doesn't get off unscathed.

"I told him point blank: 'Mike, you're crazy,'" Glazer said.

Glazer also reports that Vick told NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell in April that he had nothing to do with dog fighting. And Glazer says that if Vick is suspended, released, or placed on leave, his teammates won't necessarily be disappointed. Glazer says there's growing frustration within the team that Vick doesn't conduct himself in a professional manner, and that he hasn't been willing to do the necessary work to become the kind of player his teammates want him to be.

"

Posted by: 4th | July 20, 2007 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Norv - Meet JM220's Hammer.....

PLayoffs are gaurenteed for nobody....

Posted by: 4th | July 20, 2007 02:36 PM


I hope Norv goes 7-9 and misses the playoffs. He never had the nerve to say that here. Since he has the best player in the game he can get cocky I guess. What a loser.

Posted by: cdubb | July 20, 2007 3:49 PM | Report abuse

I read this blog all the time and comment occassionally...y'all crack me up! LOL You all don't know me but I have to brag: my cousin just signed with the Redskins. Brian Bell #41 - he's local...attended DeMatha and then went to Kent State. He's a tight end...hopefully he'll be backing up Chris Cooley!

Posted by: skinzgirl53 | July 20, 2007 3:50 PM | Report abuse

I always sorta viewed Norville as that cartoon dog Droopy. A little sad, a little funny but generally harmless enough to let go of (after much deep breathing).

jm - it's a good thing you've got gigantic muscles cause you need to swing that hammer once for every game we lost and stupid thing he said. Grrr!

Posted by: sfskin | July 20, 2007 4:01 PM | Report abuse

All I can say is...in the immortal words of TO "Get your popcorn ready" - the season is just about to begin!!!

Posted by: Lisa | July 20, 2007 4:04 PM | Report abuse

CDubb - I was saying that because LT could be gone for the season due to injury, and then what?

Congrats to your cuzzo skinzgirl53 (Assuming that is your age?)

"Career Highlights

Bell (6-2, 238) signed with the Redskins on May 15, 2007.
Bell attended DeMatha High School before moving on to play collegiately at Kent State.

In his career with the Golden Flashes, Bell played in 32 games and caught 60 passes for 654 yards and five touchdowns.
"

http://www.redskins.com/team/profile.jsp?id=293

Does he plan on keeping the dreads? He won't be hard to find on the field, I tell you......

Posted by: 4th | July 20, 2007 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Good luck to your cousin skinsgirl53!

If Norv messes up in SD with all the talent they've got.....I'm just saying.

Posted by: skinswest | July 20, 2007 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Nice article

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=sando_mike&id=2943438

Sorry, but it's Vick Related.

Next week, I expect Skinz Newz.......

Peace!

Posted by: 4th | July 20, 2007 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Cindy,

I thought that if we learned one thing from the Duke fiasco it is that people are innocent until proven guilty. It's just not fair to pass judgement on "the whole Vick thing" because we really don't know what the "whole Vick thing" is. All we know is one side of the story. It may turn out to be better or worse than what we think we know now, but shouldn't we suspend judgement until we've heard both sides?

Posted by: KK | July 20, 2007 4:18 PM | Report abuse

I have one thing to day about MV Dame:

Finocchio!!!

Posted by: periculum | July 20, 2007 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Vick, one year PAID leave of absence.

Looks like Duante Culpepper and/or the snake may have a new job by next week.

Next Year if he isn't convicted ... Vick to the Raider Nation. That would be my guess.

Posted by: periculum | July 20, 2007 4:21 PM | Report abuse

This time he didn't pick the defensive coordinator.
And hardly any of the assistant coaches.

He will win at least 10. Tomlinson healthy all by himself is enough to guarantee that and Norv knows it. Best offense he's had since Aikman and Emmitt.

Best defense he's had ever!

Posted by: periculum | July 20, 2007 4:23 PM | Report abuse

KK - That was what the article I posted was about. Very good read from what I read. The guy is trying to find a middle ground out of all of this.......

Posted by: 4th | July 20, 2007 4:26 PM | Report abuse

BTW,

JKC's biggest mistake:

Firing Richie Petitbone and trusting Charlie Casserly and Norv Turner.

But then is was also in his 80's and in poor health. He did not take Gibbs retirement well at all.

Posted by: periculum | July 20, 2007 4:27 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if Homer will have a Redskins jacket or shirt in the Simpson's movie?

Spider Pig, Spider Pig, does whatever a spider pig does ... ooooooops now I need my Dan Snyder t-shirt to wipe it up ....

Posted by: periculum | July 20, 2007 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Sorry for the confusion...53 is for my favorite player Marcus Washington...so no I'm not that old LOL

Posted by: skinzgirl53 | July 20, 2007 5:07 PM | Report abuse

KK-

Vick is innocent until proven guilty in the eyes of the law. So is OJ. So is Bonds.

But this is a blog. We're all allowed to state our opinions based on the information that has been presented. That information may be slanted, incomplete, or downright wrong, but it's what we've got so far, and some of it isn't disputed.

Even if the cooperating witnesses are lying, it's hard to argue with the fact that Vick paid for the property knowing that dogs would be bred there for dog fighting. That's enough for conspiracy, which is all he's been charged with.

Take another look at what Cindy wrote - do you really think she went too far?

Posted by: mugamack | July 20, 2007 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Vick is innocent. A federal indictment, however, is not a small thing. The feds don't indict unless their case is tighter than panty hose two sizes small. Don't compare this to the dook case. The US Atty is not running for office (and will never have to) like Nifong. Like I said in a previous post, the feds usually get their man.

Posted by: LH | July 20, 2007 5:16 PM | Report abuse


Hail all RI'ers!
Summertime blues near the end!
Let's play some football!

Posted by: HaikuMan | July 20, 2007 5:22 PM | Report abuse

"Even if the cooperating witnesses are lying, it's hard to argue with the fact that Vick paid for the property knowing that dogs would be bred there for dog fighting. That's enough ..."

Its HIS HOUSE, HIS MONEY, HIS responsibility. Even if he wasn't involved and it isn't completely clear that he wasn't. That's what any future lawsuits will state. Just like anything the Falcon's do would be Arthur Blank's responsibility. Think about it.

Every week he plays they talk about what happened to those dogs. I can certainly imagine people boycotting Home Depot if Vick plays.

He should do his team a favor and take the PAID vacation to get his house in order. Give his team mates a chance. Sounds to me like they are using the same approach Gibbs used with the Reaper not too long ago. It seemed to work fairly well.

Vick reminds me of an old mini-series called "The Chiefs". A serial killer was able to hide his activities torturing, killing hitch hikers, African Americans, drifters and even one of the chiefs who caught on, using racial strife, prejudice, burying the evidence, and the Clinton Portis philosophy: "Hey its his property ain't none of your business what happens there." Well the little southern town finally hired a black chief, a former local who was chased out of town by the KKK, who finally figured it all out and brought the guy in. By then it was too late, hundreds of bodies too late.

Vick needs to go, and clean his house, just like the Reaper had to.


Posted by: periculum | July 20, 2007 5:30 PM | Report abuse

"Spider Pig". God, I can't wait for that movie.

Posted by: P Diddy | July 20, 2007 5:37 PM | Report abuse

BTW, given that I've pretty much tuned out the entire offseason, can someone do a quick recap on all the new additions and recent departures of consequence for the 'Skins?

Is SwissHam still our kicker?

Posted by: P Diddy | July 20, 2007 5:39 PM | Report abuse

JKC's biggest mistake:

Firing Richie Petitbone and trusting Charlie Casserly and Norv Turner.

But then is was also in his 80's and in poor health. He did not take Gibbs retirement well at all.

Posted by: periculum | July 20, 2007 04:27 P

My only objection to that is although Petibone was a great D-coordinator (and did deserve more than 1yr at HC IMHO) I thought he was crazy for trying to make Rypien a west coast style QB with short passing game - his biggest weakness - well that and lack of mobility.

Posted by: skinswest | July 20, 2007 5:41 PM | Report abuse

I thought Petitbon was fired not because Mr. Cooke wanted him gone, but because he was unwilling to dismiss Rod Dowhower on staff as the OC, despite, as skinswest so accurately pointed out, his system simply did not work with his personnel.

Loyalty is an important thing...but as every boss knows, there are limits to how much loyalty can dictate good business decisions.

Posted by: P Diddy | July 20, 2007 5:46 PM | Report abuse

He should do his team a favor and take the PAID vacation to get his house in order. Give his team mates a chance. Sounds to me like they are using the same approach Gibbs used with the Reaper not too long ago. It seemed to work fairly well.

Posted by: periculum | July 20, 2007 05:30 PM

periculum, I disagree.

If Vick takes a leave of absence this year, and is then convicted, he'll probably have to miss another year after he is convicted.

Why not take a plea deal now, serve the time and the suspension consecutively, and be ready for a fresh start next spring (assuming 6 mo. sentence)?

This would allow Vick to apologize, allow Atlanta to move forward with the least amount of distraction, and allow Vick to earn his paycheck in 2008. It would also allow Vick to pay the price for his misdeeds, though probably not as extreme a price as many people would wish.

Posted by: mugamack | July 20, 2007 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Interesting article on the Chris Chambers arrest for DWI. Looks like the case will be a distraction through the opening game against the Skins, but Chambers should avoid a conviction (which means a lot in today's NFL).

http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/football/story/175162.html

Any ideas out there for banners to put up for Chambers at FedEx?

Posted by: mugamack | July 20, 2007 6:03 PM | Report abuse

BTW, given that I've pretty much tuned out the entire offseason, can someone do a quick recap on all the new additions and recent departures of consequence for the 'Skins?

Is SwissHam still our kicker?

Posted by: P Diddy | July 20, 2007 05:39 PM

Don't ask Portis to comment

Don't ask L2 to play paintball

Don't ask Shawn's trainer what he put in those smoothies in AZ

Don't ask Lavar for a ride

Don't ask T.Wade how things are going at Guard

Don't ask The Danny if he had a good time at Six Flags

Don't ask Casey how his German lessons are going

Don't ask Sally Jenkins about the jinx

Posted by: mugamack | July 20, 2007 6:21 PM | Report abuse

"I thought he was crazy for trying to make Rypien a west coast style QB with short passing game - his biggest weakness - well that and lack of mobility."

He actually thought it was a bad idea. But if you watched the drama unfold he was unfailingly loyal to his reliable veterans: Bostic, Jacoby, Green, etc.

And to his coaches. Sonny, who had direct access to JKC, tried over-and-over again to convince him to fire his offensive coordinator. ON THE AIR.
On the George Michael's Redskins Report. Sonny really wanted him to save him. He did not want Norv coming into town. And Casserly running the show.

Richie believed in loyalty. He felt he could wait until after the season to address those issues. JKC was convinced by Casserly not to wait. After he, Casserly, dismantled the team to meet the new salary cap. Great job in Houston Charley. There is one guy I was happy to see Danny squash like a bug. Just for that episode. I was really liking Danny then. Take revenge for treating a winning Redskins superbowl coach and player that way!!!
Not to mention Charley Taylor and Bobby Mitchell!
That would have never happened under JKC, it all happened under his son.

Danny just went too far in his fan's quest for vindication. Gibbs is in charge now Danny, time to
put away the those knives.

Posted by: periculum | July 20, 2007 6:44 PM | Report abuse

At least Vick should be treated the way parents of underage drinkers are treated.

If your kids are at your house boozing it up even if you're not home and don't know you are held responsible and liable.

Property rights are supposedly the most sacred of things in our democratic capitalist republican system but with that comes the responsibility of property ownership. So if bad SJK is going to down on your property, you are responsible no matter how much or little you knew about it.

Posted by: sfskin | July 20, 2007 7:14 PM | Report abuse

On a separate topic - one we have already covered but I need to bring back up to justify the painful experience of reading the piece on Jerry Jones in SI (puke).

Once again if and when the new Cowpaddies stadium gets treated like the 8th wonder of the world AND the SB that is held there is treated like the greatest SB ever. AND we have to watch and throw up in our mouths as Jones is heralded and his plastic surgery gone awry mug is pasted everywhere!

Well how long does it take the Danny to want to compete?

I know there are leases and stuff on FedEx but when has the Danny ever been stopped by technicalities?

Six Flags Stadium - home of the Washington Redskins - exclusive concession deal for non-club patrons with Johnny Rockets - retractable dome - million dollar sky boxes - first wifi stadium of it's kind - seating for 115,000 - home of SB 2015 - anyone?

Posted by: sfskin | July 20, 2007 7:21 PM | Report abuse

"Why not take a plea deal now, serve the time and the suspension consecutively, and be ready for a fresh start next spring (assuming 6 mo. sentence)?"

Posted by: mugamack |

Vick has a lot of money to pay attorneys who will tell him not to do that. If he does that they don't go on TV and they don't get paid as much. However, given our legal system he has the money so he could potentially beat the rap. And it will use up a lot of the 6MIL he would get paid on his "vacation".

The problem for Vick is that its too late. Atlanta will not take him back. He has gone too far. Its not like this is the very first controversy. Its not like he won a superbowl or even an important playoff game. From their perspective its time for him to go.

That said its like saying that the government had no responsibility for what happened in the Superdome in N.O. after Katrina. He is accountable. But, he deserves a fresh start IF THIS experience teaches him that just because he has the most talent and potential does not mean the world is his on a gold and silver palette. I think his best bet would be with the Raiders. His unsavory past might make a good fit with that team. Those fans won't really care.

Posted by: periculum | July 20, 2007 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Wonderful topic, sfskin.

I would love for the Skins to come back to DC, and my hunch is that DC would do just about anything to get them back.

We need a good accountant or tax attorney to figure out the depreciation on FedEx and determine when it would be economically feasible for a new stadium to be built.

As I've written before, I don't see it being done in less than 8 years, and maybe no new stadium for 15 (assuming Danny remains in control).

Not sure what you mean by leases - I think Danny owns the land and the stadium for FedEx (one of the reasons the franchise is so valuable).

I'm also concerned that Danny won't want to deal with DC politics at all, and will just rebuild right next to FedEx.

My ideal: a modernized replica of RFK, shaking stands included.

Posted by: mugamack | July 20, 2007 7:30 PM | Report abuse

"Six Flags Stadium - home of the Washington Redskins - exclusive concession deal for non-club patrons with Johnny Rockets - retractable dome - million dollar sky boxes - first wifi stadium of it's kind - seating for 115,000 - home of SB 2015 - anyone?"

________________________________________________

Transformers, stadiums in disguise! There is a new kind of Deceptacon, the Dan Snyder profit pit or stadium Deceptacon. It can disguise itself as a family friendly stadium but when the time is ripe it becomes the evil money sucking Snyder-soak-you-acon.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 20, 2007 7:33 PM | Report abuse

periculum-

Being in the Bay Area, I can tell you, the Raiders have no interest in M.Vick right now. They are happy to see how their #1 pick plays over the next few years.

Are you saying that Vick should plea out, but won't because he can afford to fight it?

If Vick had a really good lawyer, he wouldn't fight the US attorney. However, half the prominent criminal attorneys out there are self-serving sharks, so I won't be surprised if Vick does fight it.

I think that if Vick apologized, served some time, came out and apologized again, Atlanta and the rest of us would forgive him (assuming he appeared to be sincere). I just don't think any of those things are very likely.

But I do think a quick plea is his best option right now, by far.


Posted by: mugamack | July 20, 2007 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Spider pig, Spider pig, Six Flags Spider pig, spins a web any size, can't you see just like flies! Look out sucker here comes the spider pig!!! Can he soak you for dough? Just watch his eyes bug out as if he's at the trough! By his friends he's adored. Soaking you for cash is his reward! Look out here comes the spider pig!!!! In the chill of night at the scene of light of lime, because of greed he'll arrive just in time! Look out here comes the spider pig!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 20, 2007 7:40 PM | Report abuse

AT&T/SBC/Pacbell Park has wifi.

Underwhelming.

Posted by: mugamack | July 20, 2007 7:43 PM | Report abuse

"Are you saying that Vick should plea out, but won't because he can afford to fight it?"

Yes, if he wants to go back to Atlanta he definitely should. But I doubt that he will. Not with money and shark lawyers, as you put it.

And as I keep reiterating, Noting that TB has decided that its better to have too many QBs than just one. Just one is not enough. Not today. That 1st rounder in Oakland will not be enough. Unless he is injury free and invulnerable.

I think Gibbs has seen the future. Something that Ramsay just couldn't grasp. Just one starting QB will not be enough. The Redskins will continue to sign QBs whether the starter likes it or not as long as Gibbs is there. Campbell seems humble and hardworking enough to understand. Gibbs will continue to yank starting QBs. The last time he refrained from doing that was with Theismann. He won't repeat that mistake again.

Posted by: periculum | July 20, 2007 7:48 PM | Report abuse

"As I've written before, I don't see it being done in less than 8 years, and maybe no new stadium for 15 (assuming Danny remains in control)."

If they build it he will come. If DC builds a brand spanking new stadium with the right kind of lease Snyder will come. He appears to be a good enough business man to find another profitable use for FedEx field.

There are many advantages to not owning the stadium including upkeep, maintenance and insurance. When its NOT IN USE its not your problem. A sweetheart deal like the governor
of Baltimore offered Modell would do it.

Posted by: periculum | July 20, 2007 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Of course, Vick is innocent until proven otherwise. And I have no idea whether Vick is guilty of anything other than owning property on which dogfighting, the evidence would suggest, took place. That's what a trial is for. Maybe he is simply another athlete caught in the wrong place, at the wrong time, with the wrong people. The indictment is a frightening read, but you have to keep in mind that a grand jury is a tool of the prosecution. It takes the grand jury where it pleases with no defense presented. The indictment is one side of the story. What's going to be interesting is to see who these witnesses are, who strikes a deal. No matter what happens with Vick, we're all now aware of the horrific world of dogfighting.
Onward...coffee-flavored tequila? Hmmmm...

Posted by: Cindy | July 20, 2007 7:55 PM | Report abuse

"Onward...coffee-flavored tequila? Hmmmm"

Cyn Cyty

I like the way you think! Grappa and espresso:
Cafe' Coretto! Wish Starbucks et al could serve
that. Brandy can be substituted for Grappa.

Its Vick's house. Saying he has no accountability then the gov't is not responsible for the disaster at the Superdome. How did they know the levy's would breach? Even though they were already damaged. The governor, the mayor they did all they could. Do you believe that?

Vick had to know what was going on, was privvy and perhaps even helped.

Posted by: periculum | July 20, 2007 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Muga - leases was wrong word but didn't JKC make a deal for 30 years?

Based on the baseball stadium kerfluffle I doubt the city is going to want to plunge back into the stadium building business anytime soon.

Although, would there be space near the new ballpark for a football stadium?

The land FedEx is on is definitley worth an SJKload for development. I don't think the Danny would follow in JKC's footsteps and finance the whole thing himself. Although imagine something totally insane like building a stadium around/in Naval Yards and then for 3 months a year say April to July it gets transformed into a Six Flags park. Not sure how that would be possible but shoot if they can go from b-ball to ice hockey in one day why not?

If the Niners do in fact move far away from SF and the whole naming thing comes up then we'll see.

Posted by: sfskin | July 20, 2007 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Couple of things: 1) Owning property where illegal SJK is going on does not in and of itself make you responsible for the activity otherwise jails would be filled with landlords. Even if he knew what was going on he would not be guilty of a crime unless he was involved. It is not illegal to not report a crimie. Vick wasn't indicted for the owning the property. He was indicted for allegedly participating in the criminal activity taking place on his property.

2) Prosecutors do control the grand jury but to get an indictment they have to present sufficient evidence of probable cause to believe a crime has been committed and that the subject committed the offense. Grand jurors aren't sheep. They often times don't return indictments. And getting indicted in federal court is not the same as getting indicted in state court. The USA does not SJK around.

One thing to keep in mind is that this whole thing was discovered by chance. The Feds found the dog fighting operation while searching the property for evidence of drug distribution. Boddie is probably cooperating on a couple of fronts and hasn't been indicted in this case due to a grant of immunity. He may still face drug charges.

Posted by: LH | July 20, 2007 8:24 PM | Report abuse

I keep forgetting our anniversary is Aug. 1...our first little problem with Loseable Type! We were 'posed to go live July 31. Ah, good times....I mistyped earlier when I wrote July 30...I know that there are 31 days in the month, really.
Thanks, Learned Hand, for the info. When I say that Vick may be guilty of nothing more than owning the property, I should put that in quotes because I know that there is no tie there at all.
I, too, think his cousin, Boddie, likely made a deal.

Posted by: Cindy | July 20, 2007 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Vick is a public figure. It was not illegal for Bill Clinton to get lot of SJK from Monica Lewinski. But as a public figure and an office holder it wasn't really appropriate. Particularly given that said Monica worked for him. Still it wasn't like many of the female white house interns wished they could have done the same thing.

Vick owned the house. He likely knew what was going on. HOW COULD HE NOT? Blaming it on family members makes no sense at all. He must have known that it was probably illegal as well. He saw what happened during the herpes escapades. He must have been warned to curb his behavior. To guard his public image as that image directly equated to the image of the Atlanta Falcons and to some extent the city of Atlanta as well.

Sorry the illegality is not the issue. The complete disregard of how his choices would affect him, his team and the city he plays for is where the problem lies. He behaves as if there is no accountability for him and his ilk.

I am just as certain as anyone that the expensive shark lawyers will somehow get him out of trouble for millions of his dollars. BUT allowing dogs to be cruelly treated and tortured by his relations? On his land under his nose and before his eyes? C'mon folks he did this to himself. No one else did it.

Posted by: periculum | July 20, 2007 8:42 PM | Report abuse

don't you all remember in the begining? Several people said he was always involved and bet the most money (obviously) and was considered the "kingpin" of the operation. how can anyone think for a second that he wasn't directly involved on every level?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 20, 2007 8:56 PM | Report abuse

periculum, may I add some ranch dressing to your salad?

Posted by: MV Dame | July 20, 2007 8:57 PM | Report abuse

I love the fact that RFK pretty much only benefits DC United anymore.

But unless Danny wants to pony up the full Billion for a building like that, I can't see DC pitching in much. That place is a mess.

How much would Snyder lose when 60,000 fans start arriving by Metro?

A stadium should last you oh, about 38 years. If you leave now, that would be the greatest abuse of FedEx since Lonny Baxter.

Posted by: SMACK | July 20, 2007 9:02 PM | Report abuse

how can anyone think for a second that he wasn't directly involved on every level?

Posted by: | July 20, 2007 08:56 PM

Exactly which part of the phrase "Innocent until Proven Guilty" don't you understand?

There is often a significant difference between the facts of a case and jailhouse allegations (by convicts who are looking to get some time taken off their own sentences). The witnesses for the prosecution are probably not from the Vienna Boys' Choir.

Yes, dogfighting is illegal and despicable, but in the U.S., defendants have rights, regardless of what PETA-nazis think. Allow the process to run its course; if Vick is found guilty, there will be plenty of punishment awaiting him.

Posted by: CD | July 20, 2007 9:41 PM | Report abuse

They must have had a strict No Video policy at that house. You would think somebody there would have caught a video on a cell phone or a digital camera of Vick taking part. That's the kind of evidence I think they may need, and who knows, may have.

Posted by: SMACK | July 20, 2007 9:48 PM | Report abuse

At least Ookie, Ron Mexico or whatever Mike Vick wants to be called will have a deterrent from being a sought after fresh fish in the pen. He's got the herpes complex.....

Posted by: Anonymous | July 20, 2007 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Mugamack,

I reread what Cindy wrote and it's not that she went too far, but that the Vick allusion was an off note in an otherwise bright and graceful post. She does that sort of thing well, and it would have been better without the Vick reference.

My own criticism is kind of pedantic and narrow -- that she alluded to "the whole Vick thing" when we really know so little and what we do know is entirely one-sided. Yes, it's a blog and all that, but isn't Cindy an employee of the Washington Post? It was the Post and the rest of the media which convicted the Duke lacrosse team without a trial, and media employees really ought to back off from the Vick stuff until his guilt has been proven.

Posted by: KK | July 20, 2007 10:14 PM | Report abuse

And if that's not deterrent enough, Mr. Mexico can have some Mexican water smuggled in.

Posted by: SMACK | July 20, 2007 10:18 PM | Report abuse

KK my man loosen up......

Posted by: chris larry | July 20, 2007 10:30 PM | Report abuse

If Norv messes up in SD with all the talent they've got.....I'm just saying.

Posted by: skinswest | July 20, 2007 04:13 PM

If Norv messes up in SD, he needs to be killed....not fired. LOL
somebody else said that since he has the best player in the league, he can get cocky. I always thought that if i was a player on his team, Id be like, "how can i possibly play tough for this acne scarred dork?"

What did the old king say in Braveheart about his son?....The mere sight of my son would only encourage the enemy to take over the entire kingdom....

Yeah...ITS LIKE THAT

HAIL!!

Posted by: skinnyntenny | July 20, 2007 10:34 PM | Report abuse


periculum, may I add some ranch dressing to your salad?

Posted by: MV Dame | July 20, 2007 08:57 PM

I prefer my finocchio dried into fennel. A nice spicy alternative to hot peppers ... oil and vinegar only. I prefer this sort of insalta Italiana:

I tuoi seni sono come due cerbiatti,
gemelli di una gazzella,
che pascolano fra i gigli.

Posted by: periculum | July 20, 2007 10:38 PM | Report abuse

"I always thought that if i was a player on his team, Id be like, "how can i possibly play tough for this acne scarred dork?"

If he sticks to offense and leaves his special teams and defense for the most part alone he should do well. He has a QB and the league's top feature back.
This might work for him. Who knows?

Posted by: periculum | July 20, 2007 10:42 PM | Report abuse

heres something to talk about maybe...

How do all u regs out there fell about the name Redskins??
Anyone feel its disrespectful or racist? Should it be changed?

If yall have already burned this topic up, i understand. But personally, i think its retarded. I bet when we win a SuperBowl again, theyll jump on the ol bandwagon....hypocrites.

But if indeed it did get changed, are there ANY suitable names out there? Im drawing a blank...i think id stop watching football if they changed the name and the helmet.

hail

Posted by: skinnyntenny | July 20, 2007 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Perc,

Despite NT not living up to the bill as an "offensive genius" when he graced us with his time, I still believe he is a capable OC, granted he has a few weapons. But who doesnt need weapons?

MY point is that I wouldnt get pumped up about anything this man said for the simple fact that he's (not that there is anything wrong with brains over brawn) a wimpy NERD!!

How could anyone look to this man as a leader?...or Wade Phillips?...or.......Grampa Gibbs...sigh...I mean he looked tough back in the day, but now hes just an old man....

Id need a young vibrant coach, or at least a mean big jaw or something. A big gut even (usually indicating man-feasting and or rampant beer consumption) cuz you can respect him as a man/walrus. cough..andy reid..cough...

Posted by: skinnyntenny | July 20, 2007 10:54 PM | Report abuse

when the feds (not local quacks) bring an indictment, they have a 95% conviction rate. that animal abusing prick better get ready for some tough love in the clank.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 20, 2007 10:56 PM | Report abuse

SJK, but I was wondering, how would one pronounce "shti" if speaking it aloud? Would it be "she-tie"? or more like "shhh-tee"? or "she-tee"? Can NOT get my mind around that.....

Posted by: Anonymous | July 20, 2007 11:03 PM | Report abuse

"Shti" is from the ancient African language Xhosa. So, it begins with a click and ends with a rising intonation. Much like SJK.

Posted by: SMACK | July 20, 2007 11:09 PM | Report abuse

Oh, in other words "suck"? (SJK) No, wait, that ENDS with a click.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 20, 2007 11:13 PM | Report abuse

"Id need a young vibrant coach, or at least a mean big jaw or something."

Gibbs always was nerdy and had a high pitched voice. And hardly used an obscenity.

There was Buddy Ryan the body bag instigator.

Who won that battle? Where is Ryan today? Perhaps Gibbs is getting long-in-the-tooth but he is still better than clickety-clack ball coaches ...

Posted by: periculum | July 20, 2007 11:18 PM | Report abuse

"Despite NT not living up to the bill as an "offensive genius" when he graced us with his time,"

His offenses were effective. He found Stephen Davis. He did have problems finding a decent QB until Trent Green.

His problem was his choice in defensive coordinators. Except at the end when Snyder hired one for him. Snyder grew too impatient. He probably should have allowed Norv to finish out the year they still might have made the playoffs. Another major mistake for Dan Snyder.

Posted by: periculum | July 20, 2007 11:54 PM | Report abuse

Amazing!!!!! Been on vacation and will be for another two weeks, checked in for just a second to see if there were any rumors about us getting some d-line help or maybe trading for Faneca and come to find out my kids will live in infamy from now on.....that's awesome. I can't believe this SJK!!!!

Posted by: Jack | July 21, 2007 12:30 AM | Report abuse

Ladell's new nickname is Ladell "icruytociffbchmytwaswbifatwm" Betts. Which stands for:

I can rack up yards, that only count in Fantasy Football but can't help my team win a sure win because I'll fumble at the wrong moment

But I'll settle for "oops"

Posted by: Anonymous | July 21, 2007 1:04 AM | Report abuse

Ladell's new nickname is Ladell "icruytociffbchmytwaswbifatwm" Betts. Which stands for:

I can rack up yards, that only count in Fantasy Football but can't help my team win a sure win because I'll fumble at the wrong moment

But I'll settle for "oops"

Posted by: skinsfanLA | July 21, 2007 1:04 AM | Report abuse

Ladell is from Xhosaland?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 21, 2007 1:13 AM | Report abuse

We don't have to wait for a trial to form an opinion. In my opinion Ookie is a despicable person, not only for this whole alleged dog-fighting incident but for his past transgressions. It's a shame that people, including myself, already think that his money will set him free. Let's hope it does not and that he spend sometime evading getting tackled in the showers at the big house.

Posted by: Does Ookie rhyme with guilty? Me think so. | July 21, 2007 3:35 AM | Report abuse

Hey Jack-jack,

People are dying to know. How old are your kids?

Posted by: charlie | July 21, 2007 3:37 AM | Report abuse

We learned that July sucks in DC, but is worse in Atlanta!

We learned that our D. Line needs depth, but our coaches did not!

We learned that when a paintball collides with balls, the paintball wins!

Posted by: September | July 21, 2007 3:52 AM | Report abuse

We learned that American Football is in fact truly American.

Posted by: What's NFL Europa? | July 21, 2007 3:56 AM | Report abuse

My heart is doing push-ups. Getting ready for the season...

Posted by: John in Herndon | July 21, 2007 7:41 AM | Report abuse

So, to reach 100k by the 30th, we need to average 3,393 posts PER DAY people! Thus, each word we type needs to be an individual post - otherwise we are SOL.

Posted by: 4skinz | July 21, 2007 9:44 AM | Report abuse

DOES ANYONE KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON WITH MCCARDELL?

Posted by: Uncle Spence | July 21, 2007 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Is that you Uncle Spence?

Posted by: Tommy-boy | July 21, 2007 10:43 AM | Report abuse

The definition of confusion:

Michael Vick when the Wolfpack plays the Bulldogs.

Posted by: Midniterc | July 21, 2007 11:40 AM | Report abuse

The Salukis against the Huskies.

And I think "Hoyas" confuses everyone.

Posted by: SMACK | July 21, 2007 12:05 PM | Report abuse

aweeeeeeeee...watcing that sports show on hbo with bryant gumbel

and they're doing a story on this 5 year old kid with a PERFECT golf swing. he can hit the ball 175 yards. BUT he only has one eye and had/has cancer in both eyes.

and he carries "tiger" in his bag. aweeee

he SHOT 41/9!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! he's 5!!! with 1 eye!

Posted by: dealer | July 21, 2007 12:13 PM | Report abuse

"DOES ANYONE KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON WITH MCCARDELL?"

He seems to be staying deep in the heart of Texas. Sounds like Houston.

Posted by: periculum | July 21, 2007 12:27 PM | Report abuse

At least that one eye is an eye of the tiger!

Posted by: Anonymous | July 21, 2007 12:27 PM | Report abuse

On Faneca. It sounds like 6'8" Wade, its his job to lose. Faneca will report for training camp. Likely Schobel will as well.

Posted by: periculum | July 21, 2007 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Family trip to P Diddy City so I'm out of touch with le blog. Hard to believe there's been this much jibba jabba absent any news. But I love it.

F chris Larry. SJK.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | July 21, 2007 12:32 PM | Report abuse

"we head into the week at 66,074 comments. Nice work. I have not yet given up on 100k by July 30, our first anniversary, but when I dream, I dream big."

("Go the distance. Go the distance!")

Cindy, I suspect that the real problem here is that your dreams appear be to taking place within a metric system. Since we don't generally use the metric system here in the U.S., we need to convert your numbers to our system for them to make sense.

As a result, your "big dream" goal of 100,000 is really only 62,137 in the U.S. Since the current count is approximately 66,190, it appears we surpassed the original goal about two weeks ago.

I would like to congratulate everyone for this stunning achievement. Thanks very much to everyone who contributed.

I would also like to encourage everyone to get plenty of rest prior to the onset of Year 2, as Cindy's new goals will probably be actuarily-inflated over this year's wonderful results.

Posted by: Ocho-Ocho | July 21, 2007 12:45 PM | Report abuse

There will be a lot of news when training camp opens mostly because of Vick. Now Pacman's lawyer is crying foul. His client hasn't been convicted of anything. His sentences was deferred and Pacman's record with be expunged if he behaves for the next 2 or 3 years of probation. Expect the same kind of verdict for Vick. Of course the judge will likely be an animal lover so ...

The Schobel, and Darwin Walker soap opera seems of most interest to Skins fans who worry about the DL. Walker will likely be returned to the Eagles and then released. The guy started off as a Defensive End replacing former Skin ND Kalu while with the Eagles. Although he is now a tackle he could play either position. So, Walker might be the perfect addition because of his flexibility.

Schobel seems like a harder case. Walker I think could end up a Skin unless he absolutely hates the idea. Unfortunately there are many players who may feel that way. The Skins FO must be watching this situation very closely unless they have already been rebuffed by Walker.

We'll have to wait and see. If Walker comes it spell be the end for Wynn. I think Daniels stands to add too much bonus money to the cap if he is released.

Posted by: periculum | July 21, 2007 12:49 PM | Report abuse

DOLPHINS WAITING ON WALKER?: If in fact Darwin Walker fails to report to the Bills by Aug. 5, reverts back to the Eagles and is subsequently released, becoming a free agent, the Miami Herald says Walker would immediately be a target of the Dolphins. Apparently once they release Daunte Culpepper they'd have the cap space to sign Walker to a larger contract than the one he has now.

The south Florida paper is also reporting that Corey Dillon would like to play for Miami this season, but the Dolphins at this point aren't as interested in Dillon as he is in them.

Posted by: periculum | July 21, 2007 12:57 PM | Report abuse

DT SIMON SOON BE AVAILABLE?: You have to wonder what Colts GM Bill Polian's motivation was to activate DT Corey Simon off the non-football injury list making him a player that now counts toward their 80-man roster limit. According to the Indianapolis Star even Simon was surprised to hear of the roster move. It's unclear exactly what the Colts want to do with Simon, but it doesn't seem to be the best of relationships since Simon filed a grievance against the team in an effort to recoup $1.9M of his salary from last year despite not playing a game for the club in 2006.

Posted by: periculum | July 21, 2007 12:59 PM | Report abuse

June 6, 2007

SCHOBEL BACK AT OTAS: Aaron Schobel is back at practice today after missing Monday's workout.

Plus the Bears might go after Darwin Walker.

Posted by: periculum | July 21, 2007 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: LH | July 21, 2007 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Just want to clear something up: Jasno never EVER worked in our advertising department.
Based on his color choices today, Sergio Garcia would appear to be a Redskins fan. He might even be one of you bloggers....

Posted by: Cindy | July 21, 2007 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Any talk of acquiring either Walker or Schobel would appear to be a pipe dream at this point. The Skins' available cap room is currently around $6 million, and Landry has not been signed yet. (After Landry signs, the cap space should be down to around $3 million.)

With the recent Freeney signing by Indianapolis (6 yrs./$72 million/$30 million guaranteed), the market price for a starting DL has increased significantly. Both Schobel and Walker will be looking to maximize their earnings in their next contracts, as both turn 30 this year.

Based on the Freeney numbers, it seems highly unlikely that the Redskins could fit either of these players under their cap this year.

Posted by: Ocho-Ocho | July 21, 2007 1:34 PM | Report abuse

"Based on his color choices today, Sergio Garcia would appear to be a Redskins fan. He might even be one of you bloggers...."

No, he is actually the Redskins Transformer, Robot in disguise.

Posted by: periculum | July 21, 2007 1:36 PM | Report abuse

I think Ocho is right. Even with cap gymnastics until we sign Landry we can't afford anyone who will demand big $.

What is it the coaching staff knows or believes about the d-line that the rest of us don't? Is it really just the continuing majesty of Grilliams ego that anyone can be plugged into his scheme?

Posted by: sfskin | July 21, 2007 1:41 PM | Report abuse

"Based on the Freeney numbers, it seems highly unlikely that the Redskins could fit either of these players under their cap this year."

They could always back-load the contract. A lot depends on what Landry signs for. This is their best chance to get a guy who claims he is "built for sacks". The fact that he can play either DE or DT must be attractive given their current situation. He only had 6 sacks last year with Philadelphia. Not sure he could get Freeney money?

Apparently Miami is in a good position salary-cap wise. He will likely end up there. Chicago has its own problems with Briggs and others.

Posted by: periculum | July 21, 2007 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Hi sfskin!

I think the "party line" about the d-line has really always been about the cap situation. Just like a team never has enough draft choices to fill all needs. the Redskins never had enough cap (or draft picks) this year to fill all needs.

After the 2006 season, the group evaluation to improve the defense appears to have focused on LB, CB and Safety. If Landry had not been available, then DE Anderson might have been selected. Otherwise, it seems a decision was made to go with what they had on the d-line and hope for the best.

Based on current and future salary inflation, I expect the Skins to draft a DE (or two) in the early rounds in 2008. The DT group is younger and the coaches seem to believe they already have a future star or two at that position.

Posted by: Ocho-Ocho | July 21, 2007 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Ocho-Ocho,

Who can we afford at DT or DE for $3M a year. Last I checked $3M a year is darn good money. Can we get 8 games of Tank Johnson? Can we get Briggs a backloaded deal of some sort? I can;t beleive the Danny would actually operate a full $3M under the cap with such glaring defeciences on the DL and OL. That is the one thing that I like about him, he spends up to the limit!

Posted by: DTC | July 21, 2007 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Ocho,

Surely the Skins Front Office and coaching brain trust has seen the writing and projected ranking of the defense, again projected to be in lowest 1/3 of the league, probably rated 22 or worse.

The sports pundits have been lamenting the Skins lack of a bona fide pash rusher for years. Can't we splurge on a pass rusher and see how far this team, seemingly built to WIN NOW with all the offenseive weapons, can go this year???

Can you send a spreadsheet to Danny and Vinny for Walker to fit under the cap before the Fins sign him and he crushes Soupy on opening day???

Seriously help a fan out...

Posted by: DTC | July 21, 2007 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Who can you get (DE/DT) for $3.0 million at this late date? Probably no one who is penciled in as a starter for any team. There is always a slight possibility that someone with some value will be cut by another team before September, but it is unlikely that anyone who becomes available will be better than who the Redskins have now. The stark reality is that most training camp rosters are set, and few changes will occur at this late date.

The problem with Walker (besides the salary cap issue) is that he belongs to Buffalo currently. They would probably let him go for a draft pick of equal value to the one they will receive from the Eagles in August if nothing happens. If he reverts to the Eagles, they will probably look to get a draft pick for him as well (to make up for the one they will have to send to Buffalo). It is unlikely the Eagles would make a deal with the Skins if other offers were on the table.

It's hard to tell who else is interested, because no one has made an announced offer to trade a draft pick to Buffalo for him. This could be simply because everyone is waiting for Walker to be released in early August. Or it could be that Walker's contract demands are too high at the moment.

(to be continued)

Posted by: Ocho-Ocho | July 21, 2007 3:08 PM | Report abuse

If Walker is released by the Eagles and becomes a free agent, he will probably go to the highest bidder, contract-wise. At age 30, he is going to be looking for a big signing bonus. The best the Skins can probably offer is around 5 yrs/$25 million/$15 million guaranteed, with heavily back-loaded annual salaries. (Year 1: $3m + min; year 2: $3m + min; year 3: $3m + min; year 4: $3m + $4m; yr 5: $3m + $6m, for example.) Other teams with better cap positions can easily beat that kind of offer.

The real question is this: do you want to pay that much money for a player who is 30 years old and considered expendable by the Eagles? If he only plays two more years, there would be $9 million in dead cap money to absorb in 2009-2010. That's a high price to pay for a older player who doesn't know your complex defensive system.

Finally, signing Walker and maxing the cap will prevent the Redskins from signing current players to extensions between now and February. To me, it makes more sense to pass on Walker and use that available cap money to sign Cooley to an extension - while he is still under contract and (presumably) affordable.

Posted by: Ocho-Ocho | July 21, 2007 3:11 PM | Report abuse

I posted this article once before about the difficulty of learning the position of defensive tackle. It is probably why the Redskins coaches are content to go with the current DT roster with Golsten and Montgomery on board.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/10181432

Posted by: Ocho-Ocho | July 21, 2007 3:18 PM | Report abuse

To all who helped raise funds for Juvenille Diabetes: Thanks!!!

I've battled Type 1 Diabetes for 30 years and can't thank you all enough.

Thanks, GO Skins!

Posted by: Redskinrex | July 21, 2007 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Kedric Golston's rookie numbers for comparison to the previous linked article.

G Total Tkl Ast Sacks
16 44 33.0 11.0 0.5

Posted by: Ocho-Ocho | July 21, 2007 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Leaving now (turning off lights and locking the door).

SJK - no colorful language from me today. Hope you're not disappointed.

Posted by: Ocho-Ocho | July 21, 2007 3:31 PM | Report abuse

sfskin,

Skins coaches have stated several times during the offseason that they reviewed film on all the games and after watching it decided they owed the D Line an apology for putting them in such a bad position. Don't know what they discovered but this appears to be their rationale for leaving the D line pretty much intact.

Posted by: Lisa | July 21, 2007 4:25 PM | Report abuse

"The real question is this: do you want to pay that much money for a player who is 30 years old and considered expendable by the Eagles? If he only plays two more years, there would be $9 million in dead cap money to absorb in 2009-2010."

I think age 30 is about what Schobel is. The only difference is number of sacks. At tackle Walker had six sacks. PLUS 2 additional sacks in the playoffs making the total 8. Again, he played DE for the eagles so he can play that position. He is much younger than Wynn and Daniels. He is a better pass rusher than every tackle the Redskins have except for Griffin. Griffin is about the same age and was injured for a lot of the year.

Here's a guy who can play DE or DT and lives to sack the QB. Seems made to order for the Skins and their purported anemic pass rush. If he starts at DE and Daniels backs him up you would have a decent pass rush. If you started him over Andre and used Andre mostly in passing situations you could start him at the other end along with Daniels. The way Williams uses all his linemen in packages there may be more spots where he will get a better chance at sacks.

His age is not a problem. He wouldn't cost draft picks so you still have those valuable picks to use for future CB/WR/DL.

I think Briggs is out. Chicago knows Urlacher's play would suffer without Briggs. They aren't going to let that guy go.

Posted by: periculum | July 21, 2007 4:30 PM | Report abuse

repeat after me: "D will be fine". "D will be fine". really D will be fine!!! they have one stud end and a stud D-tackle. and just like with every team the rest depends on the injuries. they have a decent group of LB's ON PAPER and a decent DB's.


you're not going to get depth on this team
EVER with the way they treat the draft. so just take a valium and chill. and enjoy the show.

i don't know how AMTTS or the gov got the landry pick right back in January. kudos to you guys but we're at a point where we just have to wait and see. and we're only a couple of weeks away.

am i a bad person if i think it would be fun to see sergio choke tomorrow? i am. aren't i?!

Posted by: dealer | July 21, 2007 4:32 PM | Report abuse

"reviewed film on all the games and after watching it decided they owed the D Line an apology for putting them in such a bad position."

NO cover corners and LBs who played miserably. Their top linebacker injured for most of the year (Wwashington).

BUT the DE position is A problem. Against the run and pass rush wise. There is too much age there. Even assuming Andre continues to improve he is just one guy. One pass rusher besides Griffin. They really could use a DE/DT who specializes in rushing the passer. On Buffalo's roster Walker is deemed a backup. On the Redskins he would likely start. And he would get 2 games against his old teammates.

Posted by: periculum | July 21, 2007 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Sergio always chokes on sunday, he has perhaps the worst sunday scoring average in majors of any top-ranked player.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 21, 2007 4:36 PM | Report abuse

peric, what the heck do you guys want? all pro line? 2 out of 4 aint bad. and that's not counting on the 2nd year players improving any or getting lucky with a rookie(?)...

Posted by: dealer | July 21, 2007 4:44 PM | Report abuse

At this rate, we won't even get to 70K. Let's hope there is some more Michael Vick news soon.

Posted by: charlie | July 21, 2007 5:31 PM | Report abuse

ITA

Posted by: Anonymous | July 21, 2007 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Periculum,

Don't you think Grilliams' schemes can make up for average play at DE. With the platoon at LB and the upgraded secondary, I think they'll be in the top ten again.

Wouldn't you rather the team stop spending to win now and build an enduring organization using the draft and all that high octane coaching?

Posted by: Stumped | July 21, 2007 6:27 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe Nate is in my town and didn't even call. I should feel snubbed, but I think his liver may be quivering from the last time he was here.

6 more days until Spider Pig! I'll be in Cabo for a bachelor party, so won't get to see it until the Monday after, but my heart will be in a movie theatre while my lips are perched lazily atop a shot glass full of tequila and my SJK is in bed recovering.

Great to see John from Herndon here :-)

Posted by: P Diddy | July 21, 2007 6:30 PM | Report abuse

"Don't you think Grilliams' schemes can make up for average play at DE. With the platoon at LB and the upgraded secondary, I think they'll be in the top ten again."

Maybe. But I tend to look at it in terms of depth given the recent past. The age at defensive end is a problem. Injuries late-in-the-season type of problem. Then what?

I don't see a problem at DT. Pass rush could be better but there is some feeling that Anthony Montgomery has potential there. On the DE side there is Wynn and Daniels both past 35. Then Andre Carter.

Besides Walker is a win-win. He returns to the Eagles, the release him. Then comes the bidding war I suppose. If the Skins get him they won't lose any draft picks.

YES they will need those draft picks first and foremost for a cornerback or two (Shawn Springs is the same age as Daniels/Wynn). Then Wide receiver (unless something changes this year). And then QB and the DL unless the new QBs in camp pan out. It'll be a mix and match thing with free agents and draft picks but mostly draft picks from now on hopefully.

Posted by: periculum | July 21, 2007 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Peace brothers and sisters,

I had brunch with my homeboy ArtMonktotheSticks at Martin's in gtown (greatest brunch) and he told me the blizog was ready to rollout for camp. He mentioned he was grabbing drinks with Nate from the PDX in NYC because AMTTS just moved there (because he's an idiot).

Is there someone I can talk to about this Washington Post Live show? I have notes.

Quickest of quick fyis...We all forget how incredibly tight Snoop Dogg was on The Chronic album. Why do we forget? I have no idea. He just drops so much knowledge. Just thought I would bring it up. Talk amongst yourselves.

Posted by: The Governor | July 21, 2007 7:58 PM | Report abuse

sorry LH, but i gotta go with Emmit Smith. absolutely right.

"Now, granted he might have been to a dogfight a time or two, maybe five times, maybe 20 times, may have bet some money, but he's not the one you're after. He's not the one you're after, he's just the one whose going to take the fall -- publicly."

www.espn.com

Posted by: dealer | July 21, 2007 8:51 PM | Report abuse

The Gov speaks the truf. Snoop was hungry, now he's like, well, Smoot after he left. Here's hoping they both return to glory.

Word to the MF streets, word to these hype a$$ lyrics and dope beats.

SJK

Posted by: Pulldownclaw | July 21, 2007 9:01 PM | Report abuse

just read the whole friggin indictment

Vick's indictment

unless the gowment has movies and pictures their case is going to turn into he said she said.

emmit is right they're going after a name.

vick must've pi$$ed someone(important) off really bad.

Posted by: dealer | July 21, 2007 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Must be the cornrows. Much too scary. It is funny how the local yokels were ready to let it go.

I actually got to direct a commercial we shot with Vick for a PSA (public service announcement) right before his final season at Tech. I think my claim to fame is to be the first person to use a teleprompter with him, it must be worth a beer at some bar, right? Anyhoo, he was just a kid, seemed nice enough, but we had to do his take a million times because he couldn't get his line down. Good times. Also had one of their linebackers and Andre Davis (WR) in the spot, as well as Beamer.

Posted by: Pulldownclaw | July 21, 2007 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Because I am a total dork, and a little nostalgic, I went back and looked at the first few weeks of the blog. Mad props to Pink C.C. for being the first regular on the scene. Honorable mention to mugamack and P Diddy for coming on strong shortly thereafter. P Diddy was lightin' it up back then, and there was a lot more back and forth with Jason. Oh well, you can never go back, right? I am eagerly anticipating the energy up here when training camp gets started.

Posted by: Pulldownclaw | July 21, 2007 9:39 PM | Report abuse

I'm ready to bring my A game once training camp starts. Though, thankfully, I'm spared the constant 'Skins news lovefest that is the local DC media. Out here in the Upper Left Hand Corner of the US of A, no one gives two SJKs about sports. Really. They only care when the team wins. Bunch of Johnny Come Lattes out here.

My favorite thing about Jasno is that he is obviously not an unabashed homer. Bring the high heat, Jasno.

Oh, and how did the pub crawl go?

Posted by: P Diddy | July 21, 2007 10:13 PM | Report abuse

I think we'll need to start another blog war to get us to 100K. It'll be like one of those odd training camp scuffles between an A-lister and a scrub destined for the practice squad. Personally, I'd bet on our gang giving the ol' Westbrook to their Davises.

Posted by: P Diddy | July 21, 2007 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Hello, RI bloggahs! Tis I, your noble T-Dawg, back from hiatus.

What did I miss?

Posted by: T-Dawg | July 21, 2007 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Renaldo Wynn - 33
Philip Daniels - 34

Posted by: The Crickets | July 22, 2007 2:10 AM | Report abuse

72 million reasons to DRAFT defensive ends:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2944823

Posted by: The Crickets | July 22, 2007 2:35 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: The Crickets | July 22, 2007 2:46 AM | Report abuse

Oh Cindy!

You may want to give the Loseable Type folks another call. The blog appears to be slowly grinding to a halt again.

Thanks!

Posted by: The Crickets | July 22, 2007 2:48 AM | Report abuse

Eh, you all will find out about it anyway but -

For fans who can't wait until the first game, the team's media squad, headed by Larry Michael and Tim DeLaney, has produced a worthy -- if overly positive -- documentary: "75 Years of Redskins Football: Built on Tradition." The show relives many highlights, with good interviews of former players, Gibbs, the late Vince Lombardi and former Virginia Sen. George Allen, son of the late coach. Great footage of Sammy Baugh. It airs on Comcast SportsNet on Monday at 8:30 p.m. and WUSA (Channel 9) on Saturday at 7 p.m.

Wish I could see it.

Posted by: charlie | July 22, 2007 4:16 AM | Report abuse

My favorite thing about Jasno is that he is obviously not an unabashed homer.

Posted by: P Diddy | July 21, 2007 10:13 PM

D'oh!

Posted by: charlie | July 22, 2007 5:01 AM | Report abuse

I just watched some of The Simpsons Movie trailers and they are funny. I hope they weren't all the best laughs in the movie.

I also saw a clip of people buying stuff in one the 12 Kwik E Marts. I'm not much of a consumer but man, I would have bought one of everything if I was anywhere near any of them. I'm jealous of anyone who bought a box of Krusty-O's.

Posted by: charlie | July 22, 2007 6:56 AM | Report abuse

Looks just miserable out at Carnoustie today. This may be the first time I've felt sympathy for professional golfers. If clocking that guy in the head yesterday doesn't get to Sergio, maybe the weather will.

Posted by: SMACK | July 22, 2007 7:22 AM | Report abuse

Hmmmm, is it good to wake up in the morning with a early morning Smack?

Posted by: charlie | July 22, 2007 7:31 AM | Report abuse

Ooops, I saw the repetition in my redundancy after it was too late.

Posted by: charlie | July 22, 2007 7:36 AM | Report abuse

I'm half up early and half up late. How's things in France?

Posted by: SMACK | July 22, 2007 8:09 AM | Report abuse

Did anyone read the Marcus Washington article today??

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/21/AR2007072101176.html?hpid=moreheadlines

Sad. I feel for the guy. But I am not exactly sure why HB wrote the article?

Maybe he or Wash (prob his agent) felt if it got out now rather than in the future, the public woould be more sympTHtic???

My thing is if it got put later, we wouldn't care because it was Marcus Washington, a good guy in the NFL.

If it happened to Romanoski, we would believe it because he is a bad guy of the NFL.

Public perception is already there no matter what the truth is......

Posted by: 4th via Home Floor | July 22, 2007 9:03 AM | Report abuse

It's good to see HB back on the beat. I have missed his articles the last few weeks. Hope he had a good vacaction.

Posted by: disappointed | July 22, 2007 10:08 AM | Report abuse

heard NFL stands for no fun league but after reading the marcus washington article by how bry this morning it could also stand for nazi football league. team officials scared to speak on behalf of their own players??? wtf is thagt all about. one more guy with a chip on shoulder will be good for our squad

Posted by: Anonymous | July 22, 2007 12:21 PM | Report abuse

POSTED 9:21 a.m. EDT, July 22, 2007

MRS. GIBBS PUSHING HUBBY HARD TO PACK IT IN?

We continue to hear that the wife of Redskins coach Joe Gibbs is pushing him aggressively to make 2007 his final season in the National Football League.

Gibbs emerged from retirement in 2004, after 12 years out of the game, to return to the team that he led to three Super Bowl wins after the 1982, 1987, and 1991 seasons. The team has been to the playoffs once since his return, defeating the Buccaneers in the 2005 wild-card round before falling to the Seahawks.

We're also told that owner Daniel Snyder is poised to turn up the behind-the-scenes heat aimed at securing former Steelers coach Bill Cowher to succeed Gibbs, if/when it begins to become apparent that Gibbs will call it quits after the 2007 season.

Gibbs, who'll be 67 in November, suffers from diabetes. Two years ago, a stent was inserted to clear blockage in an artery near his heart. Also, a young grandson of Joe and Pat Gibbs was diagnosed with leukemia earlier this year.

We reported several weeks ago that Cowher has been privately discussing possible arrangements with several teams, and we've heard from two sources that Cowher has been in touch with the Redskins. The next day, the team issued a statement disputing our report.

Though Gibbs, a Hall of Famer, should be allowed to coach the team as long as he wants to, a decision to discreetly scope out a potential successor reflects good business sense by Snyder. Why wait until the feeding frenzy for Cowher's services begins in January when the basic groundwork for an eventual deal can be laid now? And if it becomes clear that the coach and the team won't be able to agree as to a big issue like salary or control, it's better for the team to know about it sooner rather than later, so that the candidate can be removed from the radar screen.

Posted by: PFT.com | July 22, 2007 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Well now we can all see why they went after linebackers and safeties. And were serious about Briggs ...

If they had lost Washington after
losing Arrington ...

Sorry but the DL takes a low priority given last years problematic performance by the LBs. Warrick Holdman might have ended up as the best of the bunch.

I think they should consider making a late pick up of someone like Walker for the DL. One guy, if he's the right guy, could make a huge difference.

Darwin Walker: 30 yrs old, 27 tackles, 6 sacks + 2 in the playoffs. FOUR sacks against Dallas. 1 fumble recovery, 4 passes defensed. 15 games started.

If Corey Simon is recovered from knee surgery sufficiently (Last played in 2005 a subpar year for him.) he cold be another possibility? 1st round pick, (#6) for the Eagles in 2000. 30 years old.

It looks to me like the Skins may be able to pick up some help for the DL. Even if they aren't starters. It could still improve things both against the pass and the run.

Posted by: periculum | July 22, 2007 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Pure Fruit Technologies? Why should we believe any rumors coming from a fruit company?

Posted by: charlie | July 22, 2007 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Pro Football Talk.com

Posted by: PFT.com | July 22, 2007 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Ah, not PFT.com!

Posted by: charlie | July 22, 2007 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Pure Fruit Technologies is probably just as credible as ProFootballTalk.com, which has been putting out rumors about Mrs. Gibbs trying to to pressure St. Joe to quit coaching for the past 2 years.

Posted by: JustMe | July 22, 2007 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Man, it's a beautiful, sunny summer Sunday. I can't understans why you folks are outside when you could be at your computer BYGOT! ;-)

Posted by: charlie | July 22, 2007 4:45 PM | Report abuse

did somebody take some Alli meds? this blog stinks like someone crapped themselves.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 22, 2007 5:00 PM | Report abuse

P Diddy, sorry about not giving you a holler during our little visit to the your fine city. Just kept it low-key with our friends up there, no partying on the town was on the docket.

I will be back up there some time soon and will hope to see you then, sir.

HAIL

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | July 22, 2007 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Back from Vacation;

Flag on the play;

for no reason.

70K... lets rock

Posted by: Zebra | July 22, 2007 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Skimming the comments from the last topic, looked like their was some mild shabingus.

Its all good in the march to some arbitrary number which means so much to so many people on the same site who do not know each other.

Posted by: Zebra | July 22, 2007 8:27 PM | Report abuse

What, praytell, is SJK?

Posted by: Zebra | July 22, 2007 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Who else is in love with Rihanna?

That video is HOT!

Posted by: Zebra | July 22, 2007 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Some more random thoughts,

I did catch part of the discussion about eating meat, Vick and the like.

I have many friends who have disavowed meat, and others, like me, who are incessant carnivores.

Do what you please, I care less, but it always struck me as funny that the protein our ape-like acenstors recieved from the meat they ate ultimately led to the higher brain functions which resulted in the knowledge that eating meat is barbaric.

I have always mused at that and decisded to share.

Posted by: Zebra | July 22, 2007 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Woozel Wozzel.... Sorry I had not said anything for a while.

Posted by: 35332 | July 22, 2007 8:44 PM | Report abuse

i always get charlie and chris larry mixed up but charlie, are you the one who's in europe right now?

but for all in THE area there's a kwik-e-mart in bladensburg (right next to dc).

ummmmmmmmmmmmmm sergio didn't disappoint huh! it could've been a lot worse had that drive on the 9th stayed in the rough...sweet.

tiger should take a year off. and just for once i'd like to see him go back to titelist(sp). he should've devoured this course. but with the baby and all and that driver of his...just being a fan.

zebra, no one ever said eating meat is barbaric. i don't even think PETA says eating meat is barbaric. i'd give you the cliff notes to our discussion here but ehh

nate, get me the fck out of here!!!!!!! i'm so jeallous of you west coast peeps! you don't even have to wait for skins games! you can just get up and turn the tv on and watch the game on sundays. us, we have to do yardwork and shti and run errands before we can sit down and watch the game...

SFSKIN, my lunch thing turned into a fcking lunch to dinner thing for the tenn. game! WTF! better be some good food dasallimsaying!

Posted by: dealer | July 22, 2007 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Charlie is indeed the one in the beautiful land of wine and surrender.


Posted by: cload and daggar | July 22, 2007 10:15 PM | Report abuse

It's clear now that Mick Vick let the dogs out, right?

Posted by: cload and daggar | July 22, 2007 10:19 PM | Report abuse

But I am not exactly sure why HB wrote the article?
Posted by: 4th via Home Floor | July 22, 2007 09:03 AM

In dealer order:
1. Redskins articles sell newspapers.
E. There is no redskins news till Thursday
$. Personal interest stories are reasonably easy and cheap to write.
Q. HB's other option was about the importance of hand position in third down situations for left DTs in a one-gap technique, but he couldn't keep it under 12,000 words.

Posted by: cload and daggar | July 22, 2007 10:31 PM | Report abuse

SJK = Sorry Jack's Kids.

Term used to describe something that might be offensive, obscene, or not PG-13.

Posted by: FAQ: What, praytell, is SJK? | July 22, 2007 10:47 PM | Report abuse

From the UTube Vick Video background song:

"maybe I should sell my dogs to Portis"

Posted by: periculum | July 22, 2007 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Two guys who would know for sure if Gibbs is quitting; Sonny Jurgenson and George Michael.
Might pay to watch what they say closely.

I remember when Don & Mike somehow got Mrs. Gibbs phone number as they were told she was a fan of their radio show. Not sure how they figured given
that they had a skit where Gibbs and Dan Reeves were butt pirates together.

Needless to say when they called she was not happy at all.

Posted by: periculum | July 22, 2007 11:06 PM | Report abuse

if that article about Gibb's wife pleading with him to quit is true he may not even coach this season. Last time rumors like that played he retired suddenly. Given how that I believe that Gibbs must fight a constant battle with Snyder on how to manage and coach the team I believe this is possible. He would not quit because of the "stent". Because of the diabetes. He would quit because of that.

If that reason and rationale comes to light then Dan Snyder will have once again made a monstrous mistake. The silly profootballtalk.com folks really seem pretty silly. Snyder will absolutely run this team into the ground and no coach will come here. If he forces Joe Gibbs into retirement, a legend and HOF coach OF THE REDSKINS. Someone Snyder actually respected ... what coach or GM would have half of a chance with this team?

It really would be time for Snyder to sell the team and get out of dodge, but of course that would never happen. Time for the average sports fan to root for the Nationals and forget Snyder's Folly: the Redskins.

Posted by: BTW: No Redskins news ... | July 22, 2007 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Pro Football Talk is, as mentioned elsewhere here, a complete waste of time.

Some highlights:


POSTED 8:23 a.m. EDT; LAST UPDATED 8:39 a.m. EDT, April 28, 2007

The Redskins would take (we think) Adams or Okoye if they are on the board at No. 6. If not, don't he surprised to hear the name "Jamaal Anderson", a defensive end from Arkansas, who has been forgotten of late despite the kind of measurables that premier defensive ends like Dwight Freeney and Jason Taylor didn't possess when they were drafted.

POSTED 3:13 p.m. EST, November 28, 2005

GIBBS GONE AFTER SEASON?
Whispers quickly become rumor in league circles, and one of the whispers that recently has morphed into a full-blown rumor is that Redskins coach Joe Gibbs will retire after the completion of the 2005 season, only two years into his return to coaching after more than a decade out of the game.

Posted by: mugamack | July 22, 2007 11:17 PM | Report abuse

Time for the average sports fan to root for the Nationals and forget Snyder's Folly: the Redskins.

Posted by: BTW: No Redskins news ... | July 22, 2007 11:13 PM

But still come to RI for the engaging, positive conversation, right? And help on the march to 100K?

Posted by: cload and daggar | July 22, 2007 11:21 PM | Report abuse

"Based on his color choices today, Sergio Garcia would appear to be a Redskins fan. He might even be one of you bloggers...."

No. Those were truly old school Bucs colors. But interesting enough when he puts on the Eagle's colors, he chokes.

Lesson learned: on important days in any profession, don't wear green and white.

Posted by: bangkokben | July 22, 2007 11:30 PM | Report abuse

Yahoo Sports' Jason Cole reports former Oakland Raiders QB Aaron Brooks has been on the mend since suffering a stomach injury last season. He had a workout with the Washington Redskins a month ago, according to his agent, but has gotten little interest. That's odd for a quarterback of his physical talent. If healthy, Brooks would be one of the top backups in the league.

i believe he can in for a workout right before he had sidned with the Raiders also

Posted by: jsteelz | July 23, 2007 12:51 AM | Report abuse

man im tired i meant to type he came in for a workout right before he signed with the raiders

Posted by: jsteelz | July 23, 2007 12:55 AM | Report abuse

Lesson learned: on important days in any profession, don't wear green and white.

Posted by: bangkokben | July 22, 2007 11:30 PM

And don't wear green if you're going to a playoff against an Irishman. They kind of have that lucky green thing monopolized.

Posted by: SMACK | July 23, 2007 1:07 AM | Report abuse

75k by opening day!

75k by opening day!

75k by opening day!

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | July 23, 2007 2:22 AM | Report abuse

er, crickets?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | July 23, 2007 3:31 AM | Report abuse

F cload and dagger! (I guess some people can't help but live in the past.)

Posted by: charlie | July 23, 2007 4:47 AM | Report abuse

"...some dirtbag who got pulled over in a routine traffic stop in Florida ended up "executing" the deputy who stopped him. The deputy was shot eight times, including once behind his right ear at close range. Another deputy was wounded and a police dog killed.

A statewide manhunt ensued. The low-life was found hiding in a wooded area with his gun. SWAT team officers fired and hit the guy 68 times.

Now here's the kicker: Naturally, the media asked why they shot him 68 times. Polk County Sheriff Grady Judd told the Orlando Sentinel, "That's all the ammo we had."

Posted by: charlie | July 23, 2007 4:57 AM | Report abuse

"War does not determine who is right, war determines who is left."

Posted by: charlie | July 23, 2007 5:15 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for the shout-out Cindy! Will jumpo onto the new thread now.

Posted by: Redcoat | July 23, 2007 7:33 AM | Report abuse

Word has it that Mrs. Nate had a special map of Seattle prepared ahead of time for the family trip. On the map, there was a shaded 50 square mile area (10 miles N/S by 5 miles E/W), centered around P Diddy's condo, with big block letters in the middle denoting the shaded area as the "No Nate Zone".

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