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Super Bowl Wrap Up

Sitting in the airport waiting to get back to normalcy. Eight days down here is too much.

So, after the first 11 minutes or so that turned into a ho-hum game, eh? Sexy Rexy reverted to form, and the Colts dominated in every fashion save for special teams. The Bears just kind of cracked.

Enjoyed the usual transporation shananigans. Took two hours to get back from the stadium last night - we sat in traffic right outside the parking lot for a good hour alone, then the driver got lost - and this morning I had quite the adventure as well.

They give us media vouchers and a number to call for a ride to the airport. I figured with an 11 am flight, and being a good 45 minutes from the airport with no traffic, that I'd better leave by 7:30. I expect bedlam at the airport and a ton of traffic.

So I check out ($250 a night at the roach motel; never stay at the River Park Hotel and Suites, ever) and, like clockwork a nice towncar shows up, and it's for me. I was banking on one of those blue shuttles, but, hey, this is how we roll. So get in and the dude asks me if I know Paul Woody, as if all 3,000 journalists down here are tight. Well, turns out Woody is a great dude who has covered the Skins forever in Richmond.

So now we're off to Miami Beach to get Paul. Then the guy tells me we have two women to pick up in South Beach. Already I am freaking. That's going to be even more tim ebefore hitting the highway, and then the reality strkes that 4 media members - with computers, etc, and enough luggage for a week - are going to somehow cram in this car with all their stuff.

Then I recall him saying there would be two women, and immediately I know it won't all fit.

We get to their hotel, and these ladies each have three suitcases, and I don't think they were down here more than 5 days. After like 10 minutes of commotion at the trunk, the drivers whips up some contraption with bungee cords, and off we go. Shockingly, we only had to pull over once to make sure the cars behind us we're not about to get killed by our flying luggage.

Anyway, ended up at the gate waiting for my flight at 9 - so I still got here two hours early. The traffic was bad, but not horrible, but the Ft. Lauderdale airport is barren. Pretty weird. No one checking in. No lines at security.

All in all it was a wild week.

Forgot to mention that I ran into Chris Samuels at that party on the beach Sat. night. He's c ool dude, and always very friendly. He said that he figured on staying up most of the night, because early Sunday mornign he was flying from Miami to Hawaii for the Pro Bowl. He was hoping to get on board dead tired and sleep the whole way.

Also, I heard that Jason Campbell has become a big favorite of Tom Cruise's, and he was all pumped to meet him at The Snyders party at the Versace Mansion. Yeah, TomKat was there. Might be a bad omen for 2007 already right there, Skins fans. Guess they're not going away.

Okay, hope to sleep on this flight myself.


By Jason La Canfora  |  February 5, 2007; 9:30 AM ET
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If TomKat convinces JC to join his cult, I might go postal at FedEx.

One would think that Gibbs would try to keep his players away from the Xenu worshippers... go figure.

Thanks for the Miami updates JLC. Hope Chloe is feeling better...

Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | February 5, 2007 10:02 AM | Report abuse


We are not a cult. We are a religion. Cults have crazy beliefs.

We believe that aliens came her 15 million years ago and started this race. That our spirits are the aliens and these flesh sacks just kinda help us move around.

Now do you see the difference? Now tell me your address so our mind control err enlightenment team can come over and talk to you.

Posted by: Tom Cruise | February 5, 2007 10:06 AM | Report abuse

I live in Richmond and read Paul Woody all the time in the paper down here. Good guy and good writer, has been doing it forever and knows the deal.

Thanks for your stellar work, J-La.

River City Represent!

Posted by: Pulldownclaw | February 5, 2007 10:13 AM | Report abuse

The Snyders' party at the Versace Mansion... hmm, wonder what a repugnant display of new money, no-class excess that was. Ugh.

TomKat's not so bad as celeb fans go, right? Oh wait, trying to think of someone who would be worse... Mel Gibson? Bill O'Reilly? Dick Cheney?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 5, 2007 10:21 AM | Report abuse

J-Gun, totally understand if you lay low for a few days getting back with the family.

But I would love to hear how the rain in the SB compared to bad weather conditions at other games you've covered. Just seemed like the whoopsy-daisy factor was unusually high. Was it a matter of nerves, slick footballs, not having practiced with rain in mind, just plain luck? Anyway just wondering how it looked from your vantage point, and what the thinking was among the Press.

Thanks so much for all the in-depth coverage, big fella.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 5, 2007 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Aren't TomKat tight with the Beckhams?

Because I'm all for the TomKat association if it results in some Posh Spice scenery at FedEx this fall.

Posted by: Mike | February 5, 2007 10:31 AM | Report abuse

He's alive! He's alive! Nate brother after you showing yesterday I didn't think we would hear from you at all today. Is Mrs. Nate talking with you yet? She is avoiding me was classic.

Posted by: jm220 | February 5, 2007 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Nate, good work last night, you were in rare form. Good to see you among the living today. What's your cure all? I'm always in search of help in the A.M.

Posted by: Pulldownclaw | February 5, 2007 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Something about watching the game and having all my beer consumption on Pacific time... I seem to be about 3 hours ahead of where I should be, on the recovery curve. Amazing.

Add to that the rejuvenating power of waking up to Wonder Boy, the 2-year old phenom who starts turning on lights and asking for breakfast at about 6am.

Let's rock...

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 5, 2007 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Dr. Clifford Bloch, a pediatric endocrinologist at the University of Colorado, encountered three unusual patients last year: young boys who were growing breasts.

Aside from their gynecomastia, as the condition is called, there seemed to be nothing else unusual about the boys, who were 10, 7 and 4 years old. But Bloch soon picked up a common thread. All were using products containing lavender or tea tree oil -- a "healing balm" in one case, lavender-scented skin lotions and soap in another, and shampoo and hairstyling gel containing lavender oil in the third.

Posted by: loco mullin | February 5, 2007 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Back to the Polly Redskin sighting....

He saw TV getting on the plane and Vincent saw that he had a Wisconsin Badger Sweater on, and TV asks Polly if he went there and he said, No but his daughter does, So Vincent says his daughter does too, and they start chatting....

So Polly identifies himself as 5-0 and they star chatting Redskins. He wouldn't identify Deep Cover but said some of that stuff in there is true.....

According to Vincent, The Gibbs November something meeting went basically as reported. Gibbs said 'I know some of you think that I am too old. But I'll tell what... Football is Football and we are going to run between the tackles. Redskins Football'....

He also said that both Assistants HC report directly to him and he is very 'Hands On' with the offense.....

Now I believe this because we have a name of the source....

Posted by: 4th Floor | February 5, 2007 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Great scoop....bad omen...this TomKat connection is such bad mojo we need like a complete cleansing.....

We need like Gene Hackman, Sidney Pottier and Meryl Streep to party in the upper deck as an excersism

Posted by: chris Larry | February 5, 2007 11:16 AM | Report abuse

My belated two cents.
F the HOF. It's obviously more important to be a loud, "look at me type" than carry yourself with dignity and class both on and off the field. Don't get me wrong - I'm an avowed cowboy hater, but I believe Irvin should be in the HOF, but not before Monk and certainly not to instead of him.

Two more cents: Two story lines that mercifully we shouldn't have to hear for again (at least for awhile): 1. Peyton Manning can't win the big game; and 2. Will Favre retire.

Posted by: skinswest | February 5, 2007 11:17 AM | Report abuse

This just in:

"Sales of products containing lavender or tea tree oil, including "healing balms", lavender-scented skin lotions and soaps and shampoo and hairstyling gel containing lavender oil in the third, have risen 1000 percent in the last hour. Les S. Moore, a spokesman for the CVS pharmacy chain said the company's stocks of such products have been depleted nationwide. Some have attributed the spike to the approaching Valentine's Day and the products are expected to be the nation's top gift item this February 14. Sales to men lead the surge followed by sales to women and adolescent girls."

Posted by: LH | February 5, 2007 11:23 AM | Report abuse

dealer, we love your cockamamie nonsense up here, but as Lisa has indicated once inn a while you cross the line into unacceptable territory, as do myself.

nate, let's keep this kinda condenscending bullshti to ourselves shall we?

lisa, and i don't know where you and host of others can find this guy so god like. and he is soooooooooooooooooo cheesy!!! with those foot stomping, hand signals...WTF!!! look he got lucky. ask jason, he'll tell you archie's boy got lucky in the playoffs. they played teams that fit their style of play. all the teams they played in the playoffs had major flaws. i mean major major flaws. they didn't get to play SD or NOLA or the Jets. those three teams would've matched up so much better...

it took him NINE years to figure out that dinks and dunks is the way to go in the playoffs. NINE years!!!! how smart is he then?

anyways...i apologize to all the mentally challenged people in the world for using a deragotry word like "retard". he's not a retard...he just lacks tact.

4th floor, sorry i left you hanging like that. totally didn't meant to. just got too busy up here. we'll discuss further when it's june/july or something...but for now it's the hottest time of the year for the skins. we should be hearing rumors pretty soon now.

nate, i knew (well i didn't really know know) but i knew the colts were going to win. but i was hoping against hope that somehow my sexy rexy would just not do what he did for just one game. and i have never seen so many people RIGHT at the same time about the same thing/sexy rexy. i mean wow! everyone was right about him. and yes, probably the worst QB ever to play at that stage.

and yes, you're right it didn't hurt that much cuz of dungy. and the defense had more to do with this game/all of playoffs than him.

BUT it kinda irked me the wrong way when he said "the christian way" opposed to what??????? wondering how you (non-christians) dealt with that statement? or what you think he meant by that?

Posted by: dealer | February 5, 2007 11:26 AM | Report abuse

jason, good luck with your family shtuff.

that tomkat and JC thing is creaping me out man!

Posted by: dealer | February 5, 2007 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Best spot of the night:

David Letterman with Oprah!!!! AWESOME!

Posted by: dealer | February 5, 2007 11:32 AM | Report abuse

What's the problem wit TomKat as long as they don't get in the way???

I don't see anyone blaming Jack Nicholous when the LAkers loose? Enough wit this bad omen stuff. We was losing way before a TomKat and/or Snyder.

Posted by: 4th | February 5, 2007 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Please use spellcheck. It is quite easy to do and it makes the column appear a lot more professional.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 5, 2007 11:37 AM | Report abuse

"the christian way"....

Dealer it did irked me a little. However, I tried to look past the words and more into what I felt he was trying to say. To me he was trying to say you can put God (no matter the name) first, work hard to live a clean life (non of us are without faults), treat others as you want to be treated and come out on top.

Posted by: jm220 | February 5, 2007 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Dave and Oprah was definitely the best ad of the night.

The Beckham ad was so subtle I almost missed it. Does anybody know who the guy was talking to Beckham in that spot?

It's officially the offseason, folks. Looks like we're getting started on the right foot: Deep Cover, TomKat... maybe we can work our way back through all the conversations and arguments we've had the past seven months.

dealer, while it makes me a little uncomfortable, I don't have a big problem with Dungy talking about his faith. From everything we know about him, his beliefs are the basis for his conduct, which seems to be treating people well and being a good person. So I have no problem with that. Same with Gibbs.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 5, 2007 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Is Cruse gonna be the Skins Jack Nickelson, only maybe more sober. ... P.S.- Boycot Canton

Posted by: Alex | February 5, 2007 11:45 AM | Report abuse

If by luck you when preperation meets opportunity then I agree.

If you mean to say that Manning sort of stumbled upon a championship I'd say you are kidding yourself.

The only knock on Manning was that he couldn't win the big one. I think any rationally thinking person would have to concede that is no longer the case.

I really don't care if you like Manning or not. But at 30 he is already a HOF'er. Attempting to diminish his accomplishments is certainly anyones right.

Just remember that just because you think it doesn't make it true.

Posted by: Skinz | February 5, 2007 11:45 AM | Report abuse

but 4th, Jack is JACK! whereas tomkat is just plain creepy! why couldn't we get someone like jack? we got robert duval and so many others...

don't you find tomkat creepy?

jm220, thanks.

annonymous, re: spellcheck i don't think jason's going for "professional" on this blog...because he's said so in the past...

Posted by: dealer | February 5, 2007 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Say your prayers and eat your vitamins and you will come out on top.

Posted by: Hulk Hogan | February 5, 2007 11:48 AM | Report abuse

F annoymous spelling/grammer police posts

F TomKat/scientology

F Uneeded attention to skins to add to the media's irrational hatred

Motto for 2007: Lay Low, sneak up on people

Posted by: chris Larry | February 5, 2007 11:51 AM | Report abuse

F chris Larry

Posted by: Web | February 5, 2007 11:54 AM | Report abuse

As a non-Christian, I wasn't irked at all about "the Christian way." To me, he was simply saying that for him, Christianity is not just his religion, but his way of life. And, the way he leads his football team is in accordance with that.

People have a tendency to believe that a successful football coach has to be an aggressive, profane, fire-breathing dragon. I think Dungy is a refreshing contrast to that image. If Christianity is the basis for his demeanor, I have no issue with him attesting to that.

Posted by: JustMe | February 5, 2007 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Forgot to post about how great it was to see HaikuMan a few threads back, though it took to outrage over Monk to get his poetry maker fired up. Some of the greatest art has emerged from tragedy.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 5, 2007 11:58 AM | Report abuse

chris Larry, couldn't agree with you more. Lay low, keep a low profile, and have Gibbs and company build a championship team. And I don't mean a NEXTEL Cup championship team, I mean a team that can be hoisting that silver football in about 364 days.


Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 5, 2007 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Web.....I guess your E Grams need reajusting.....

Posted by: chris Larry | February 5, 2007 12:01 PM | Report abuse

No issue with Gibbs' drivers succeeding in the Cup, mind you. I love Tony Stewart and want to see him back on top, starting with Daytona.

I just meant that I want all the excitement of our Lancers going deep in the playoffs and then appearing in the Super Bowl once again, want it badly, and I believe Gibbs can make it happen.


Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 5, 2007 12:04 PM | Report abuse

I'm sorry I couldn't post about the lies this past weekend. Unreal. I am still so upset. I'm snippy office guy.

"No son, you're hero wasn't vaild according to a panel of men."

-"But dad, they let the evil man in who got arrested for cocaine, and stabbed a guy when he didn't like his haircut, and then got arrested for cocaine again into the hall..."

"I know son...I know."

Posted by: ArtMonkToTheSticks | February 5, 2007 12:07 PM | Report abuse

skinz, we're talking about sports. sports is filled with illogical hate. look at teh sox fans and cubs fans...they'd kill buckner(?) and bartman. why? it's just sports. i just don't like the dude. and most of the time when i'm saying stuff like "he's lucky". it's wishful thinking. cuz god forbid if he wins another one. AGAINST THE SKINS???

what i have a problem with is when they call him the "best ever". it'd be one thing if this guy was tiger woods and winning everything in sight. but he's not. this is his FIRST in NINE. that's not the "best ever" quality.

anyways didn't mean to diminish his SPORTS qualities. he's got the goods. he's just so so....

nate, i missed beckham...but kevin fed can milk (making fun of himself) thing for a year or so. and hopefully he has good financial planners working for him.

Posted by: dealer | February 5, 2007 12:07 PM | Report abuse

People have a tendency to believe that a successful football coach has to be an aggressive, profane, fire-breathing dragon. I think Dungy is a refreshing contrast to that image. If Christianity is the basis for his demeanor, I have no issue with him attesting to that.

justme, i have a problem with that interpretation of it cuz then you're saying that other coaches aren't christian. and they didn't do it the "christian way".

Posted by: dealer | February 5, 2007 12:11 PM | Report abuse


The tiger analogy is bogus, FB is a team game....if Manning was entering skills competition he could rattle of 9 wins in a row....

Dealer, and since I am the "F" guy I know, its fine to hate just "because" and I feel you on that...hate on brother...

but your rational arguements just dont make sense...just stick with..."I cant stand the dude! OK!" and you make complete sense...

Posted by: chris Larry | February 5, 2007 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Ah, dealer, I know you're never going to come around on BBM, and that's totally fine. Just glad to hear in one of your posts above that you had a bigger picture feeling of okay-ness with the Colts, Dungy in particular, and how the strong defense was a huge factor in the win.

I don't know who used a term like best ever up here. But BBM can no longer be considered a lesser QB. His team beat the Ravens, Pats and Bears, which is a great run of success. Good for him.

Man, it must suck this morning if you're Rex Grossman, huh?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 5, 2007 12:15 PM | Report abuse

JustMe I agree with you 100%.

ArtMonkToTheSticks I say let's listen to Redman "it's time for some action" and pay some people a little visit. lol

Posted by: Anonymous | February 5, 2007 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Every time I thought I'd seen Grossman's 'signature moment' in this game, he committed another egregious gaffe. What a nightmare. Poor kid. But as others have noted, he didn't get much help from that D after the first few series.

The Bears had a very real shot at this thing and collectively blew it. But the QB always gets the spotlight. Tough beans.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 5, 2007 12:17 PM | Report abuse

This from Dr. Z explaining why Monk was not selected, why Irvin was and why it's looking grim for Russ:

Posted by: LH | February 5, 2007 12:18 PM | Report abuse

IMHO, the only people who have a problem with people expressing their faith are those who don't follow any or aren't comfortable with their own religious practice or lack thereof.

Posted by: LH | February 5, 2007 12:23 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: K-Fed | February 5, 2007 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Colts winning really adds to an already deep legit contender group in the AFC going into 07, Colts, Pats, Chargers, Steelers, Ravens, Bengals.Bears losing confirms NFC is still a total mess so why can't we go worst to first next year?

Posted by: Old School | February 5, 2007 12:26 PM | Report abuse

chris, i did just that in my previous post to skinz.

shti!!!!!!!!!!! i lost my was probly going nowhere but still...

ummmmmmmmmmmm crap....

so andy pollin ran into troy vincent...and wouldn't reveal who the deep snitch was...and told him "some of the stuff in the article was true"...duh! and that gibbs said "there are people who think that this game's passed me by but football is still football...we're going to play run attack from now on..."

don't you all get the feeling that the skins boat is just sitting still...and if it was going to go anywhere gibbs needs to pay a bit more attention and concentration on coaching than other PR BS...

was it jeff hayes or old school that had a rumor of bears' personell dude talking to the skins...

Posted by: dealer | February 5, 2007 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Thanks to you all for the thoughts and messages of support. As dorky as it sounds I think of RI as a strange disembodied extension of my family who never fails to make me focus on important things like football, TomKat, excrutiating yet exhilirating disection of 24 and all the other things we do. Nice to have a place I can "retreat" to for fun, laughter and head scratching. So thank you guys, even if it makes me a loser, I love having the blog and it's regulars.

J-LaToucan (awesome new name) G-R-E-A-T work last week. Hope you can take some time with the ladies at home and everyone gets better. We'll all still be here blathering about everything under the sun and finding creative ways to tie it back to the Skins/Lancers. (thanks to those taking up my suggested name)

Irvin is a douchebag and I'm not sure I buy his conversion at all. But he is HOF caliber as far as playing goes. BUT he should not at all ever have been put in ahead of Art Monk. Someone please tell me a WR who was better than Monk on 3rd downs? Think of all the drives that stalled for us this season cause we couldn't make the 3rd down. How many times did Monk save a drive? RANT RAVE RANT RAVE RANT RAVE
Once again gotta say - I LOVE PRINCE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE! And Oprah Dave Letterman ad best of the night although Careerbuilders did make me laugh everytime.

Oh in response to several threads ago on nickname for our *blog couple* jm and Lisa - to appropriate from the Jints - "Thunder and Lightining"

Finally question - Does Rex Grossman actually know that he is a QB for a major NFL franchise? Or is he in a constant disassociative state where he thinks this is a pick-up game on Sunday with hung over frat brothers?

Posted by: sfskin | February 5, 2007 12:28 PM | Report abuse

It's time to take the voting out of the sportswriters hands.....most of them probably never played the game. When you have guys who played with and especially AGAINST Monk saying that he should be in, that means a whole lot more than some sportwriter who picks his favorites.

Posted by: Lisa | February 5, 2007 12:30 PM | Report abuse


Smack in the back of the head. I couldn't disagree with you more. I follow a religion and I am very comfortable with the real practice and belief of my religion. However, as a Muslim I do have a problem when one religion tries to say it's better than another. None of us have absolute knowledge, so we all should just give God (Allah) praise and leave the name Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, and Judaism out of it. Just my humble opinion.

Posted by: jm220 | February 5, 2007 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Which happens first:

1) Grossman gets put on suicide watch when he returns to Chicago?

2) Grossman gets HEAVY security detail when he returns to Chicago for... uh... homicide watch?

I'm going with the 2nd option.

Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | February 5, 2007 12:35 PM | Report abuse

lh, everyone and their mother thanks god, jesus in sports these days after they win.
i say "whatever" to that...

but this was the first time i heard someone say "i did it the christian way" and we showed that "it can be done in the nfl".

it could and probably did offend both christian coaches of the past SB winners and some non-christian folks watching.

Posted by: dealer | February 5, 2007 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of Versace Mansions...if you're ever in Surfer's Paradise out in Australia, be sure to stay at the Versace Hotel. It's the best hotel in an otherwise crappy hotel town (think Ocean City, but worse).

Oh, and Surfer's Paradise? It is indeed paradise, but avoid it during "schoolies week" (lots of puking, fighting 18 year olds out on their own for the first time).

Posted by: P Diddy | February 5, 2007 12:40 PM | Report abuse

"Dealer it did irked me a little. However, I tried to look past the words and more into what I felt he was trying to say. To me he was trying to say you can put God (no matter the name) first, work hard to live a clean life (non of us are without faults), treat others as you want to be treated and come out on top."

jm220 we agree more than you think. Your comfort with your faith is demonstrated by the above quote which shows understanding. Your belief in Islam and your expressing it does not trouble me. If we worked together and you were provided or took breaks to go pray, I would not be bothered by that if that is what your faith requires of you. As a Christian, Dungy has a duty to witness for Jesus and bring others to Christ. That shouldn't bother you or anyone else whose faith is otherwise. Keep doing what you do. He never said Christianity was better. Even if he did, it shouldn't effect how you or how you worship if your faith in what you believe is strong and he is not using force or law to change it.

Posted by: LH | February 5, 2007 12:44 PM | Report abuse

diddy, i always wondered why people go all the way to tahiti, australia for a beach vacation...when right here on this continent we have the carribean, hawaii and so forth...

tell me are the beaches of south pacific really that much better than hawaii, florida, the carribean? in other words is it worth spending all that money and flying 24 hours for?

Posted by: dealer | February 5, 2007 12:45 PM | Report abuse

dealer when he said "we" I took that to mean he was referring to himself (the royal "we") and not necessarily the Colts or the organization.

Posted by: LH | February 5, 2007 12:48 PM | Report abuse

On HOF voting: I think there are two flaws with the current system. First, there is no player representation on the panel. That is highly unfortunate. I don't understand why it's assumed that sportswriters would assume a greater level of impartiality and scrutiny when making these decisions, particularly given that Adam Schefter, Peter King, and Dr. Z have all gone on the record this weekend alone as saying that some of the electors hold grudges.

Second, the process is too secretive. The balloting should continue to be secret, but the initial player presentation and Q&A should be transparent.

Monk and Grimm aside, there are simply way too many personal grievances brought to bear in this process.

Posted by: P Diddy | February 5, 2007 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Unfortunately I think the public sanctimoniousness of people like Pat Robertson and Falwell and Dobson who are so narrow minded in their thinking they've basically gotten away from the heart of christian teaching (see Sermon on the Mount)that it gives people of faith a bad reputation.
I know I tend to have knee jerk reactions when I hear people invoke God in venues like the SB or thank you speeches. I think Dungy was/is 100% genuine like Gibbs or D. Green. On the other hand smoke starts blowing out of my ears when I see music artists thank god when their music does nothing but glorify the most vulgar and vicious behavior. Huh? How do you reconcile that?

As I've said in several posts before - people of faith who use it as a guide to make their lives better, the world better and who try to live lives of compassion, justice and mercy are in my mind people whose faith brings goodness into the world.

Posted by: sfskin | February 5, 2007 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Our 1 hope for Monk: Many years down the road he gets voted in as one of the "senior representatives" :-(

Posted by: Lisa | February 5, 2007 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Uh-oh the soap box just grew a wee bit taller better reknot the bungee cord. . . .

Posted by: sfskin | February 5, 2007 12:54 PM | Report abuse

I thought Football was a religon.

Posted by: Old School | February 5, 2007 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Dammmmm you Jason!

You had me all FREAKED OUT about this JC omen biz and then it was just a minor TC association. Now cut that out!

Posted by: charlie | February 5, 2007 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Australia is paradise and Sydney is the most beautiful city I have ever visited (and I'd say I've visited all the major cities in the world several times each). Yes, there are beautiful beaches everywhere, but Sydney, and Aussies, in particular, is very special. It's as glamorous as LA, as temperate as San Diego, as socially conscious as SF, as hip a NYC, and full of fun-loving, partying Aussies.

Sydney also has a couple of stellar museums, the most beautiful park I've ever seen (the Royal Botanic Gardens), some of the world's best restaurants (Icebergs in Bondi is my favorite anywhere), and, yeah, the best young people's beach (Bondi), the best 30-something beach (Manly), the best movie star beach (Tamarama), and the best family-friendly beaches (the so-called "Northern Beaches").

Aussies are so inviting and friendly, it's crazy. None of the pretentious arrogance Americans and Europeans love to foist upon visitors. Within two days of being there and knowing only a handful of work-related (read: boring) people, my entire social calendar was full for 3 months, I had an amazing Aussie girlfriend, and had made some dear, dear friends that I still talk to quite frequently.

Again, paradise, and entirely worth the trip.

Posted by: P Diddy | February 5, 2007 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Yo, did anyone else notice Shannon Sharpe's tie? That was like a quadruple Windsor or something. The knot looked bigger than Joe Jacoby's fist. Also, please fire Phil Simms and replace him with Ines Sainz as soon as possible...

Posted by: Clint Didier Fan | February 5, 2007 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Diddy, here's an idea: why don't they broadcast the HOF deliberations live on teevee? That would force all these goofballs to really think about some of the ludicrous criteria they apply. My thinking is that there shouldn't be anything said in that room to sway other voters (for or against a particular player) that anyone in the room wouldn't mind being broadcast around the world. These dudes are journalists, they should appreciate the platform for their opinions and beliefs.

Hmm... I like the idea of a former player or two being among the selectors, but methinks one or two participants/votes will not completely change this broken selection system...

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 5, 2007 12:59 PM | Report abuse

And the votes themselves could be kept private...

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 5, 2007 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Nate, I was actually thinking a 50-50 split of sportswriters to players. The current theory is that sportswriters are more likely to apply a historical perspective to their thought process (which, admittedly, they do, albeit through the lens of their personal feelings). The fear is that players will only look at the game through the lens of their own era (as Jamie Dukes said this weekend, for example: "Monk torched us when we played them").

Having equal representation, as well as representation across eras among the players contingent, could rectify the situation.

There is no easy answer to this, but I wholeheartedly agree that NFL Network should be broadcasting those deliberations live.

Posted by: P Diddy | February 5, 2007 1:03 PM | Report abuse


I don't know how you made the quantum leap to assuming things about other coaches and their beliefs based on my earlier post. I never said that other coaches were not Christians. I also never said coaches who aren't perceived the same way, or who don't behave is the same way as Dungy are lesser people. I simply said Dungy was a refreshing change from the stereotype.

I was talking about Tony Dungy, how he expresses himself, and what he attributes that to. I wouldn't care if he said that he is the person he is because he was a Buddhist, Muslim, Jew, practiced Wicca, or any other belief system people belong to. He conducts himself in a way that people of any faith can admire (assuming that what you see is what he is, and by all indications, it is).

Again, I am not a Christian. But, I also don't believe it is an indictment of non-Christians whenever a Christian attributes the way they live and the ongoings in their lives to their faith.

Posted by: JustMe | February 5, 2007 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Why exactly is the HOF stuff so secretive? It's not the fate of the world here or even the fate of football. Transparency is more often than not good for process.

Posted by: sfskin | February 5, 2007 1:09 PM | Report abuse


Well said.

Posted by: LH | February 5, 2007 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Someone correct me, but I think what's coming up in next in our off-season sequence is going to be something like:

- Pro-Bowl -- (i.e., vacation for winners of popularity context who are required to play in order to list in on their bio, but otherwise avoiding getting hurt);

- Start of free agency -- March 3rd? includes a deadline associated with salary cap?

- New name for team formerly known as Redskins -- April 1st (hah!)

- Income taxes due - April 15th

- NFL draft -- April 28-29th

- Another deadline for salary cap purposes -- June 1st

- Kick off for hard core chatter about Skins in next Superbowl, plus hard core chatter about how inane decision-making by Skins FO will keep us from a .500 season forever, plus other references to hard core from bangbros.

Do I have that sequence about right?

Posted by: dcsween | February 5, 2007 1:11 PM | Report abuse

The really silly thing about Dungy's comment is - what would have been the reaction (or how would it sound) if the head coach said, "We did it the Hindu way." or "We did it the Muslim way."

Wouldn't there have been a huge outcry from the Christians?

Posted by: charlie | February 5, 2007 1:15 PM | Report abuse


I also believe the voting should be transparent. The secrecy is what allows people to hold petty grudges and keep deserving candidates out of the HOF for the flimsiest of reasons. The secrecy is especially inappropriate because the voting committee is supposed to represent the voice of the fans. How can that be the case when, in Art Monk's case in particular, the result of the voting runs counter to fan sentiment?

Posted by: JustMe | February 5, 2007 1:15 PM | Report abuse

"The current theory is that sportswriters are more likely to apply a historical perspective to their thought process (which, admittedly, they do, albeit through the lens of their personal feelings)."

And this is why passing on Monk vexes me. How can they say that the changing of the guard for receiving records will effect his worthiness?

I read the Dr. Z article (a sportswriter who I respect), and couldn't help but be incensed by this quote, "But when you played the Redskins, he was not the guy you had to stop. He was a very functional player."

That's BS. He was THE receiver opposing teams needed to stop if they wanted to disrupt the offense. His accomplishments allowed the other receivers to open up (along with the run game) and go deep.

Posted by: Bucktown Skins Fan | February 5, 2007 1:16 PM | Report abuse

On the HOF...Darrell Green is eligable next year. I did not see him mentioned anywhere in Dr. Z's column. What's the over under on him getting in?

I say first ballot, but i said that about Art Monk 7 years ago :(

Posted by: etrod | February 5, 2007 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Okay if D. Green doesn't get in on the first ballot then the whole HOF is officially and completely a crock of shti.

The play when he ran down E. Dickerson (someone mentioned it already) alone is HOF worthy. This guys who was undersized for a CB most of his career was a shut down CB. I think he is in the top 5 CBs in NFL history. Plus he never got sidelined by "turf toe" . . .okay I shouldn't say that because my toes have sidelined me several times. . .

Posted by: sfskin | February 5, 2007 1:25 PM | Report abuse

The most compelling argument for Monk methinks is his selection to the 1980s All-Decade Team chosen by Hall of Fame voters. The same group that selected him as one of the 4 best receivers of the 80s (two of whom are in the Hall and one of whom, Rice, is a lock for unanimous selection on the first try) don't believe he's eligible for the Hall. That makes no sense.

Posted by: LH | February 5, 2007 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Darrell Green has to be a no-brainer. The Dorsett play, the Dickerson play, the '87 divisional playoffs punt return against the Bears, the '87 NFC Championship game against the Vikings (Frank: "Batted away, incomplete, the Redskins are going to the Super Bowl", one of my happiest childhood memories), Green's longevity, and on and on.

Darrell is a first ballot HOFer. And he should have Art Monk introduce him at Canton.

Posted by: P Diddy | February 5, 2007 1:27 PM | Report abuse

just me, well said.

Posted by: dealer | February 5, 2007 1:28 PM | Report abuse

So what is the origin of the lingering resentment and petty grudges against Monk? Was it just that he didn't speak to the press much? Doesn't seem like such a crime to me. You'd think he was a communist or something. No offense to communists - things are getting touchy up here.

Posted by: SMACK | February 5, 2007 1:29 PM | Report abuse

On the other hand smoke starts blowing out of my ears when I see music artists thank god when their music does nothing but glorify the most vulgar and vicious behavior. Huh? How do you reconcile that?

Sfskin I think that was Tony point. That he didn't have to sell out his belief and way to win it all.

LH thanks for clearing it up. After reading your last post we are on the same page.

Hi Lisa. lol

Posted by: jm220 | February 5, 2007 1:32 PM | Report abuse

In Pasqueralli's case, I believe the grudge is against the 'Skins. In Dr. Z's case, who knows?

As Adam Schefter described this weekend on NFL Network, many of the other electors are from the other football cities where Monk perhaps made no lasting impression. For example, Schefter was on the Broncos beat during the bulk of Gibbs Part I. Monk caught only one pass against the Broncos in Super Bowl XXII, while Sanders caught two touchdowns and Clark one. You can see where his bias comes from after that. A similar explanation can likely be had for many of the other electors.

This is why having someone like Dan Reeves, or Bill Parcells, or Lawrence Taylor, or Joe Montana, or other legends of NFL history participate in voting and deliberations is essential in my mind.

Posted by: P Diddy | February 5, 2007 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Monk should be in by now. He will eventually get in but I'm afraid it might take him awhile. D. Green will get in, I think his case is pretty clear cut, first ballot not sure, but pretty quick and without a campaign or the lobby that Monk seems to need.

Posted by: Old School | February 5, 2007 1:35 PM | Report abuse

I thought Football was a religon.

Old School, i wish it was. we'd be all going to heaven led by Lisa.

but i was standing in the line in bitter cold yesterday because i'm an IDIOT. because i'm SHEEP. cuz other people were too. so they were talking about superbowl and how their churches were going to show superbowl on a 62 inch TV. and someone said that that's illegal? and NFL can basically sue a church over showing an nfl game over a 62 inch tv????

and this was corroborated by 2 other people in the line. [yes, i'm leaving myself wide open here...]

but is this urban legend or what?

Posted by: dealer | February 5, 2007 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Dr. Z's a moron, as are the rest of the HOF voters who didn't vote for Monk. I'm with you sfskin - it is indeed a crock.

Diddy - have you read Bill Bryson's "In a Sunburned Country" - a thoroughly enjoyable read on Australia - I've never been though so I wondered about your take on it. He was especially funny describing the number of things that can kill you down under (jellyfish, sharks, insects, snakes, etc.). He too spoke glowingly of the people there.

Posted by: skinswest | February 5, 2007 1:37 PM | Report abuse

"Irvin is a douchebag and I'm not sure I buy his conversion at all."

sfskin, Michael Irvin and I are not the same. I demand an immediate retraction and an apology for that slander.

Posted by: Douchebag | February 5, 2007 1:38 PM | Report abuse

If Darrell Green isn't a first-ballot HOF'er, they can just turn that place into a Wal-Mart. If he's overlooked next year, I will buy into the conspiracy theory.

Posted by: SMACK | February 5, 2007 1:39 PM | Report abuse

diddy, i was really hoping you didn't say that. F!

Posted by: dealer | February 5, 2007 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Skinswest, Bryson is great. I read it ages ago so my memory is a little vague, but my favorite anecdote was about an Australian mayor or prime minister who drowned in the ocean, and they honored him by building a commemorative swimming pool. Hilarious!

Posted by: SMACK | February 5, 2007 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Bryson's book is awesome, and very beloved in Australia. Bryson is a fantastic writer. Thank you for reminding me of him...I just bought his "Dictionary of Troublesome Words".

Posted by: P Diddy | February 5, 2007 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Australian history is FULL of hilarious anecdotes. They're much more irreverent to their past than we are. It's quite common for people to refer to PM John Howard as "Johnny Boy" or something else that we would find derisive, but they find endearing.

Australian expressions are great, too, and sometimes barely intelligible:

I have many "favorite stories" about being in Sydney, but this is a good one: a really hot chick recognizes me on the beach and comes over to say hi. She says, "I'm looking to shop for some cosi's, want to come help?"

I had to ask, "What is a cosi?"

"Oh, you call them bikinis."

"Yes, yes, I'll be glad to help."

Posted by: P Diddy | February 5, 2007 1:50 PM | Report abuse


Yup. It is illegal to show NFL games on TV's over 55 inches outside of personal use. Restaurants and bars have an exemption on this as long as they have them on year round.

Technically then, it is illegal to bring over a bunch of friends and watch a game on a big screen TV - except the NFL/police don't want to and won't be busting down any doors in the future for obvious reasons.

Posted by: charlie | February 5, 2007 1:50 PM | Report abuse

dealer when he said "we" I took that to mean he was referring to himself (the royal "we") and not necessarily the Colts or the organization.

LH, no, i'm pretty sure he was refering to himself and his best friend Lovie.

i just don't think that by calling their "way" a "christian way" and thus calling everyone else's way a "non-christian way" was very cool.

Posted by: dealer | February 5, 2007 1:52 PM | Report abuse


You don't go to Australia for the beaches, although they are wonderful. You go for the people and the culture. Granted I'm a bit biased but Aussies are the most funloving people. Like the "Yanks" they love their sports, beers and good times.

If you go I would suggest the Sydney-Perth train ride.

Also a little town called Tumbarumba.

Posted by: Skinz | February 5, 2007 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Bloomberg story...
Following are the odds to win the 2008 Super Bowl from Las Vegas Sports Consultants, which advises casino sports books on odds for sporting events.
San Diego Chargers 9-2
Indianapolis Colts 5-1
Chicago Bears 7-1
New England Patriots 9-1
New Orleans Saints 12-1
Cincinnati Bengals 12-1
Baltimore Ravens 14-1
Seattle Seahawks 15-1
Jacksonville Jaguars 18-1
Dallas Cowboys 18-1
Philadelphia Eagles 20-1
Pittsburgh Steelers 20-1
Denver Broncos 25-1
Carolina Panthers 25-1
New York Jets 28-1
New York Giants 30-1
Kansas City Chiefs 40-1
St. Louis Rams 40-1
Tennessee Titans 45-1
Washington Redskins 50-1
Minnesota Vikings 50-1
Buffalo Bills 60-1
San Francisco 49ers 60-1
Atlanta Falcons 75-1
Tampa Bay Buccaneers 75-1
Miami Dolphins 75-1
Green Bay Packers 75-1
Houston Texans 100-1
Arizona Cardinals 100-1
Cleveland Browns 125-1
Detroit Lions 125-1
Oakland Raiders 150-1

Posted by: Cindy | February 5, 2007 1:55 PM | Report abuse

charlie, that is INSANE! considering how popular over 55" tv's are. and i wonder how they came up with the number "55".

it was funny cuz this kid was telling his mom to shut up since he didn't want anyone listening in on the convo to call the police/nfl.

Posted by: dealer | February 5, 2007 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Is there anything more tedious than reading about someone's drive from the hotel to the airport, then checking in, then flying?

Not a rhetorical question. The answer is yes: reading about Tom Cruise sightings is actually more tedious.

Wake me when its draft day.

Posted by: Rennypolis | February 5, 2007 2:01 PM | Report abuse

I'm picking 'Skins/Raiders for Super Bowl XLII. I'm sticking with that until Redskins One picks up yet another running back.

Posted by: P Diddy | February 5, 2007 2:03 PM | Report abuse

SMACK and others.

Monks case with HOF is really strange, I do think his reluctance durring his career and after to speak with the media, his lack of public presence durring and after his career and his low profile play durring his career have blinded the media and voters of HOF into thinking that somehow he had no impact on his team, the game or his oppenents preperation when playing the skins. (mind you these are all bad arguments) combime that with he played for a low profile coach, on teams without a marque QB, who won games more as a collection of good players than as team of superstars.Again dumb arguments, but you can see how an opinion can be formed.

Truth is prescident has been set Don Hudson, Charley Taylor, Charlie Joiner, Steve Largent. All retired as The NFL's alltime leader in receptions. He should be in on that basis. He played on and was a leader of one of the most successful teams of alltime he should be in on that basis.

Truth is there is no legit argument to keep him out. I think we will have to wait awhile but he gets in.

Posted by: Old School | February 5, 2007 2:05 PM | Report abuse

okay i'm going to have to bookmark this post.

man, you guys are killing me with this love for aus.

here i was thinking that i could get away with saying "we are AMERICANS!!!, we have SO MUCH to see here, we GOT HAWAII, Mexico, the carribean!..."

crap!! so how long is long enough to do all this you(skinz) and diddy suggested?
please say a week!

cindy, 50-1? are you saying "we have a SHOT?????" at this next year?

Posted by: dealer | February 5, 2007 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Dealer. If I may quote "Dumb and Dumber" ...

Lloyd: What are the chances of a guy like you and a girl like me... ending up together?
Mary: Well, that's pretty difficult to say.
Lloyd: Hit me with it! I've come a long way to see you, Mary. The least you can do is level with me. What are my chances?
Mary: Not good.
Lloyd: You mean, not good like one out of a hundred?
Mary: I'd say more like one out of a million.
Lloyd: So you're telling me there's a chance.

Posted by: Cindy | February 5, 2007 2:12 PM | Report abuse

i'm taking the skins too(wishful thinking but i'm taking them...)...but raiders? what you smoking?

Posted by: dealer | February 5, 2007 2:12 PM | Report abuse

I've been to Australia 13 times over the last 3 years and have had a fantastic time. A week is good, but nowhere near sufficient. You'll fall in love with the place and spend your time plotting all the ways you could possibly come back.

Australia is a geographically large country that is sparsely populated. The interior of the country is amazing (star gazing out in the Bush Country is...well, to paraphrase President Reagan, you feel like you can reach out and touch the face of God). Brisbane is kind of dull (mostly retirees), Melbourne isn't my kind of place (more European feeling). Perth is fun (read "Stark" by Ben Elton).

BTW, none of this is to say that there aren't great places here in the States. But business travel takes me around the country quite frequently, so the mystery of being in, say, NYC or Miami or Dallas or San Diego or Honolulu, isn't that big for me.

If I had to rank cities to vacation in (keep in mind, no family, just me, looking for the party everywhere I go), I'd say: Sydney, Buenos Aires, Barcelona, NYC, London, SF, and LA.

I could start a whole thread on Buenos Aires alone :-)

Posted by: P Diddy | February 5, 2007 2:14 PM | Report abuse

What the F is up with the media bias against the Redskins?

Last year, we beat Tampa Bay in a close game and all the talking heads act like we are the worst team ever to win a playoff game? Please! That defense was sick last year. And this year we hear crap like "if Romo holds that snap, we would see Dallas in the Superbowl" Total BS!

ESPN ranks the 92 Skins outside the top 10 superbowl teams? They STILL hold the record for greatest points differential through the playoffs!

ESPN ranks the MVP game Riggins had against Miami BEHIND guys like Dieon Branch for the biggest Super Bowl impact player?!

CNN ranks the Riggins 70 chip run BEHIND plays like Desmond Howard running a kickoff back for a TD and a Colts Field Goal for the best Super Bowl memory? That is THE greatest run in Super Bowl history, if not the single greatest play!

Dr Z says Andre Reed is better than Monk?!

Any grudge the media has against Snyder is probably justified, but this is getting out of hand!

Posted by: Diesel | February 5, 2007 2:16 PM | Report abuse

cindy, you read my mind. that's exactly what i was thinking of. how did you come up with all those lines?

since you like harris teeter, the official skins grocery store!!, you might like this link:

they have HT on their list of stores...

found the link on another blog on wapo...

Posted by: dealer | February 5, 2007 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Cindy, can you pull what the Vegas odds were at this time LAST Year for all 32 teams to win the 2007 superbowl?
Would be interesting to see how close they were.

Posted by: Diesel | February 5, 2007 2:19 PM | Report abuse

"charlie, that is INSANE! considering how popular over 55" tv's are"

Well, I'm sure they made that rule a few years ago when there were very few 55's around.

Posted by: charlie | February 5, 2007 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Raiders 150:1 ???

And who said that Las Vegas Sports Consultants don't have any sympathy? I'd make them 2000:1.

Posted by: charlie | February 5, 2007 2:24 PM | Report abuse

diesel, i think if the skins were winning and they had an owner that press liked (for whatever reason they HATE him)...monk would've been in and they'd be getting much better press.

"winning cures all"

Posted by: dealer | February 5, 2007 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: P Diddy | February 5, 2007 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, Diesel, can't find last year's odds. I'm not enough of a gambling aficionado.
Dealer, the dialogue came from The "memorable quotes" link for almost every movie is very handy and, for the most part, accurate.
Tell me you didn't think of Harry and Lloyd with the Hawaiian Tropic girls when JLaC said he was going to meet the Penthouse Pets.

Posted by: Cindy | February 5, 2007 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Great entry against Skins media bias, diesel.

Anyway, I predicted a 31-16 Colts win on Thursday (Friday?) Man, that's the first time I have ever gotten that close to a perfect prediction. Probably ain't going to happen again! *pats self on back* ;)

Posted by: charlie | February 5, 2007 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Wilbon, on today's chat:

Which system do you think is the biggest joke: BCS voting or Hall Of Fame voting?

Michael: BCS...And I'll grant you the HOF voting is frustrating for me, and I was IN THE ROOM VOTING for 10 years. But the BCS is guaranteed to be awful and we know there is a better way: a playoff. HOF in every sport is about voting, a process that never satisfies...But what's the alternative to a voting process? Would including former players help? Probably. Fans? No chance. Fans, as a group, aren't even smart enough to vote Steve Nash onto the NBA All-Star team. A diverse panel? Maybe...But both can be very, very frustrating.

Posted by: Cindy | February 5, 2007 2:36 PM | Report abuse

More from Mike:

I do believe in making one's vote public. I did it, in fact. I would also love to see HOF members vote...And Paul Tagliabue will indeed get in at some point...but there are voters in the room who believe contributors should get in AFTER certain players who might have one shot...And as much as I respect Paul Tagliabue, and would have voted for him Saturday, I understand that sentiment. The players are the ones who in most cases should get in first. Yes on Tags, yes on Monk. Let there be no confusion about where I stand.

Posted by: Cindy | February 5, 2007 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the link, P-diddy.
Hilarious how they picked Dallas to win it all, and picked the Vikings to make a big run.... and then said the Saints and Bears would be huge disappointments. Nice calls guys. Unfortunately, the only prediction they got right was saying that we were overrated... (big sigh)

Posted by: Diesel | February 5, 2007 2:41 PM | Report abuse


I would say 3 weeks. There is no point in spending the money to fly there and enduring the jet lag for a week. You'd be far better off doing something closer.

If you go make sure you have a meat pie or 50.

Can't say I can rank cities. I like different places for different things. Some of the best cities I've been to that aren't all the touristy or trendy are:

Istanbul and Dubrovnic. Just don't sing "Istanbul was once Constantinople" or disparage their soccer teams.

Posted by: Skinz | February 5, 2007 2:41 PM | Report abuse

religion is the root of most worldwide conflicts, we would all be better without it.

Posted by: JJ | February 5, 2007 2:42 PM | Report abuse


Doesn't your heart just warm up to Dungy winning the big one, after his son's tragedy last year and all that? I am so happy for him my eyes tear in joy.

Sentimental ol lady - yes, I am.


Posted by: SallieMae | February 5, 2007 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone else find it strange that it rained the whole game except when Prince did his show especially since he sung Purple Rain?

Posted by: charlie | February 5, 2007 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Istanbul is AMAZING. There are so many incredible sights there, it's hard to name one. I highly recommend The Four Seasons Istanbul. It's walking distance to all the bazaars and temples. The food is out of this world, but of all the restaurants there, I most enjoyed the quirky feel of The Maiden's Tower.

Can you tell I love to eat? :-)

Posted by: P Diddy | February 5, 2007 2:49 PM | Report abuse

BTW, when in Istanbul and visiting Taksim Square, do not (repeat: DO NOT) go into the bar with the scary fat man standing out front promising bottles of Jack Daniels. It's a scam. Be prepared to run. Fast.


Posted by: P Diddy | February 5, 2007 2:51 PM | Report abuse

It was definitely raining on Prince. I was afraid he and his dancers would slip and fall.

Posted by: P Diddy | February 5, 2007 2:53 PM | Report abuse


I fell in love with Seoul Korea back in the early to mid 80's - before the Olympics. My favorite area was a street named "E Ta Won" (spelling may be off). Talk about a shoppers paradise ... and I love to shop. Mink king-size blankets for $10, women's leather full length coat custom made to my size - $45, etc.

Of course *sigh* that was before the Olympics there. Now is has turned into a capitalistic city like many others


Oh, and I *LOVED* the north shore of Maui - and got the thrill of my life watching the largest big wave break in the world, Peahi, being surfed by legends Hamilton, Buzzy, Lopez, and others. I love to surf.


Posted by: SallieMae | February 5, 2007 2:57 PM | Report abuse

SallieMae surfs!?! That is awesome.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 5, 2007 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Is there anything more tedious than reading about someone's drive from the hotel to the airport, then checking in, then flying?

Not a rhetorical question. The answer is yes: reading about Tom Cruise sightings is actually more tedious.

Wake me when its draft day.

Posted by: Rennypolis | February 5, 2007 02:01 PM

After our boy JLaToucanfora (yes, I've trademarked that name now) slept in the roach motel for a week, and still blogged his guts out above and beyond the call of duty, how are you gonna bring THAT in here and not expect to get a great....big.... (bring the hammer jm220)...smack to the back of your big ol' head!?

Posted by: 4-12 | February 5, 2007 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Ref: Istanbul

I'm sure Diddy will agree:

Don't drink too much Raki (A native drink) and don't confuse the name and walk in to a bar and ask for Kari (A young boy)

Posted by: Skinz | February 5, 2007 3:10 PM | Report abuse

I love to surf.

SallieMae coming out with something new on us. lol


Posted by: jm220 | February 5, 2007 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Talking about D Green.

Everyone can remember his run down of Tony D in his first NFL Game on monday night and Dickerson and the punt return against Da Bears. I have witnessed 2 other run downs in person that were simply amazing. Both occured against the Pats up here ( which adds to the story because of the home town croud sees break away 6 in both cases rises as one 60k stong then sits in stunned silence as this blur runs down thier bewildered player.

Irving Fryer puts the "dreaded double" move on D Green who bites on the out is beat by I'd say 15 yards on the up, (Fryer was a legit 4.3 guy) catches the ball at midfield while Darrell is in full after burner, I can only descride as swallowing the yardage gap between them as he recovered the 15yard seperation and tackled Fryer at the 20! No shoestring tackle just flat ran him down, jumped on his back.

The second one is like 15yrs later! Short yardage situation again around midfield Curtis Martin ( in his prime had pretty good wheels) breaks clean through the line and has a untouched line to the end zone again afterburners and its allover at the 15 yrd line, again no dive, shoestring its just a flat out run Down and Darrell is like 40 at the time.

Again its was some much fun to be there because the buzz for the next 5 minutes, was 60,000 people saying did you see that.

Posted by: Old School | February 5, 2007 3:15 PM | Report abuse

4-12 Thanks for stepping up on that one. I was hoping someone would because I am cutting back. Trying to look good in the eyes of Lisa. lol

OK I am out of here. Hit you guys up after the gym.

Posted by: jm220 | February 5, 2007 3:15 PM | Report abuse


Couple of surfing related questions

1. All you did while you were at Jaws was look at the waves, right? No way you towed into one of those monsters or should we look for you in Step into Liquid II?
2. Got any fave surf places near DC you'd be willing to share? I'm down to VA Beach fairly frequently in the summer and am hoping to find a spot in/near VA Beach that isn't too challenging and/or too locals only.


Posted by: EaglesFan | February 5, 2007 3:16 PM | Report abuse

I realize we're all amped from the SB but hope this spirited dialogue will continue through the offseason.

Per dcsween's calendar we are facing some long stretches without much NFL activity. Shouldn't be a problem for this group to fill up those stretches.

I for one am contemplating all the ways I will celebrate the Lancer's world championship, the one they win after next season. Golly, that is gonna be sweet.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 5, 2007 3:16 PM | Report abuse

OMG! no one's mentioned Prince's silouhette with his guitar??? that was hillarious!!! please please please tell me you saw what i saw...:)

jj, i agree with the first part of your statement (though not as simply) but not with the second. i've personally seen people who were helped by having religion in their lives.

skinz, thanks. yeah 3 weeks to a month is what the general consensus is...but i don't see that happening any time soon. istanbul and wild africa is more likely.

Posted by: dealer | February 5, 2007 3:18 PM | Report abuse


Nate and Jm220 - *hugs* ... yessir but no big deal. I only mention it cause it was one of my favorite places I have ever been. Hawaii (all islands) and Alaska.

Was an army brat (that is how I know Coach K - a family friend) and lived on the north shore Oahu for 8 years while pop was doing his army career thingy - lived on Ke Iki road - my house was right next to Shark's cove - a famous diving site on the island. I learned to surf at the famous pipeline, Waimea bay, and Kaena point, to name a few.

*sigh* those were the days.

*Hugs* to all my blogger lovelies.

Posted by: SallieMae | February 5, 2007 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Sallie Mae sank 9% after President Bush proposed a 2007 federal budget that would cut government support for student lending programs.

"The cuts proposed today by the president to the private-sector student lending program, which currently serves 80% of all student borrowers, would have far-reaching consequences for students and taxpayers," the Reston, Va., company said. "These harmful cuts would result in substantially fewer lenders participating in the program, reduced competition, and move us closer to a government-run student loan monopoly in the Direct Lending program, supported by an enormous federal government bureaucracy."

Shares fell $4.02 to $44.70.

Posted by: loco mullin | February 5, 2007 3:23 PM | Report abuse

dealer, I think you might be able to bang through Istanbul in a week (though there are other parts of Turkey you ought to see while you are there), but you're gonna need 2-3 weeks for a substantiative Africa trip. If you want the Africa survey course, 2-3 weeks in South Africa would work quite nicely. If you want to try something more exotic, 2-3 weeks in Kenya/Tanzania (safari in the Masi Mara, check out Zanzibar/Stonetown or try the Kenyan coast near Mombassa, ponder a Kili hike, etc.) would work well

Good luck with the vacation planning and have fun wherever you go


Posted by: EaglesFan | February 5, 2007 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Ah, I can hear the surf guitar now, Dick Dale, the Ventures... good good stuff...

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 5, 2007 3:25 PM | Report abuse


Hi EaglesFan (Adam) *hugs* a fellow surfer?

Right you are. Those 80 foot monsters would make mincemeat out of my frail 119 pound body. You are also correct, Hamilton et el perfected 'tow in surfing' at peahi cuz as everyone knows, the bigger the wave, the faster it is moving and the average person can swim at what, 6 MPH? Those guys needed a jet ski just to get into position to make the drop. AND as long as you have a jet ski to tow you in, no need to know the lineup, right?

Never surfed Peahi, personally, but have done Kaena point, Waimea, and Mavericks.

The best place on the east coast above the mason Dixie line, from my personal experience, is whatever beach is getting hit with a Nor'easter or Hurricane. I will sometimes, to this day, consider playing hooky from work during these weather events so I could get some surf, any surf, bigger than say


Posted by: SallieMae | February 5, 2007 3:26 PM | Report abuse

... 5 or 6 feet (continuation)

Posted by: SallieMae | February 5, 2007 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Dealer - that silhouette was hysterical.
Old School - D. Green was amazing - always wondered how he would've stacked up against the olympian sprinters - I remember reading how that was always something he would've liked to do - you could just tell watching him that he had a few more gears than everyone else.

Posted by: skinswest | February 5, 2007 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Nate, if we ever hit any lulls, we'll just get you drunk again. Entertainment for the ages!

Posted by: SMACK | February 5, 2007 3:34 PM | Report abuse

salliemae, adam, i always wanted to learn to surf...i'm in my early 30's now...can i still learn this cool trick?

Posted by: dealer | February 5, 2007 3:35 PM | Report abuse

...if we hit any lulls...I propose we all get drunk. Vitural RI party!

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | February 5, 2007 3:42 PM | Report abuse

skinswest- if memory serves correctly, D. Green was the 2nd fastest at the 100m dash in the USA in the year before the 1984 Olympics. Only Carl Lewis had a faster time. Don't know if you're old enough to remember, but Ron Brown was on the 4X100 meter relay with Lewis in those Olympics, and they set a world record. Well, the same Ron Brown went on to the NFL, and he too got run down from behind by Green!

Posted by: 4-12 | February 5, 2007 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Green was signing autographs with ARE at the car show last week. My friend said he still looked like the fastest thing there, even sitting next to a Ferrari.

Posted by: SMACK | February 5, 2007 3:49 PM | Report abuse

4-12 - I'm definetly old enough to remember the 1984 Olympics. I knew D. Green was always considered to have that kind of speed. I just didn't recall any head to head match-ups with those guys. I remember he often talked about taking a year off to train for the Olympics - usually around contract time as I recall - but would always go back to the skins. Everyone else seemed to be going in slow motion when he was on the field.

Back to ranting on the HOF for a second. How come Wilbur Marshall has not gotten any consideration? That guy was a great all around player who starred on two different teams - in Super Bowls no less. He could rush the passer, drop into pass coverage, and would flat out crush ball carriers.

Posted by: skinswest | February 5, 2007 3:59 PM | Report abuse

I say boycott Turkey. It's criminal what they've done and continue to do to the Kurds. E.g. - The only reason that Kurds can have their own radio stations is because the EU is pressuring them to treat all their citizens with some human rights. Learn Kurdish in school? Not! And that's the least of it.

I return you back to your regular programming.

Posted by: charlie | February 5, 2007 3:59 PM | Report abuse

I know D. Green always won the NFLs Fastest Man competition... but I wonder if he is the fastest man EVER to play in the NFL. I'm sure ESPN and CNN would rank him the 16th fastest man, behind Dorsett, Dickerson, and Tiki Barber.

Posted by: Diesel | February 5, 2007 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Diesel, Peter King would probably rank Tom Brady as faster than D. Green. Man, does he love him some Tom Brady.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 5, 2007 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Diesel- Green has to be right at the top. Maybe Bob Hayes could have challenged him, but that's way before my time.

Posted by: 4-12 | February 5, 2007 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Nate or anyone else - has anyone tried those "chaser" pills that claim to keep hangovers away if you take them before you pass out?

Posted by: T | February 5, 2007 4:18 PM | Report abuse

dealer, I'm also in my mid thirties, so based on personal experience I say hell yes. I did a lot of bodyboarding/bodysurfing growing up as a kid, but the first time I truly surfed was last year in/outside of Santa Cruz. Granted I was using a longboard and my technique wasn't/isn't much, but with a bit of coaching and some dry land training, I was standing up and hanging 10 (well, more like 8.5) within my first couple hours of water time.

SallieMae, one of my bigger regrets in life was that I stopped spending summers at VA Beach just as me and a couple of buddies were starting to transition from bodyboarding to surfing. I'm totally hooked on the sport, but aside from the week of surf camp I did in SC last August, I haven't been able to get on a board since. Mad props to you for doing Maverick's and some of the other big surt spots you mentioned in your previous post; you're light years beyond my skill level. I'm just looking to find a nice, fairly easy takeoff, 2-4 ft swell kind of place where I won't be getting in too many other people's way as I work on getting a whole lot better


Posted by: EaglesFan | February 5, 2007 4:18 PM | Report abuse

24 is on tonight - I have not seen any 24 references, today. What is wrong?

Possible topic for the lean times: My favorite all-time redskin (lancer) and why.

Posted by: Mark | February 5, 2007 4:19 PM | Report abuse

The blog is definitely getting into my brain. Until someone suggested it in Saturday's disappointment gripefest, it had never occurred to me that Darrell might not get into the HOF. Now I'm wondering if he might not. Good grief, that would suck!

I'm willing to set aside my man-love for Monk and admit that he may never get in, as absurd as that seems. (Yes, this is outrage fatigue setting in.) But I can't imagine #28 not getting in... though we should put nothing past these selectors or this busted selection process.

[Pre-emptive sour grapes trivia question. So Cris Carter and Tim Brown will be eligible soon and everyone agrees that their candidacy will make it harder and harder for Monk to get in.

Quick, how many Super Bowl rings do these great receivers have between them?]

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 5, 2007 4:20 PM | Report abuse

T, I've never taken anything stronger than aspirin/acetominophen before passing out from the drink. A chaser pill or whatever doesn't really sound like my sort of thing. I don't do the drink-drank-drunk as often as I used to, so who knows.

My favorite hangover cure is the hair of the dog that bit me. Bloody Marys by the pint, and keep 'em coming.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 5, 2007 4:23 PM | Report abuse

(If both were in their primes), D Green vs D Sanders would be an amazing World's Fastest Man 100 yard/meter dash. Heck, put another 6 world class sprinters around them and you might have the Olympic 100 meter dash finals.

I think I know how what the voting's gonna be based on the site name, but who ya got in my race?


Posted by: EaglesFan | February 5, 2007 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Only 54 INT in a 20 year career? Less than 3 per season? thing you know, you'll tell me some guy who retired as THE ALL TIME LEADING RECEIVER in the history of the NFL should be in the Hall of Fame.

Posted by: Dr. Z. (aka: PUTZ) | February 5, 2007 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Deion was crazy fast, Adam, that's a good pull. But Darrell would beat him. Especially if you told Deion he had to tackle someone at the finish line.

There have been plenty of really fast dudes. Remember Willie Gault? Didn't the Raiders use to pick up pretty much anybody who was fast, regardless of their familiarity with the game of football?

Darrell Green is the fastest player in the history of the NFL. You can print that.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 5, 2007 4:28 PM | Report abuse

F Dr. Z

Posted by: chris Larry | February 5, 2007 4:32 PM | Report abuse

I know I'm a douchebag but no need for the expletives.

Posted by: Dr. Z | February 5, 2007 4:35 PM | Report abuse

At least Dr. Z publicizes his HOF choices and makes it pretty clear where he's coming from.

I disagree with him on Monk, of course, but at least we get to hear about the process from him, and he's very direct about what goes into his thinking.

If we heard that kind of insight from every one of the HOF voters, we might figure out what the deal is. It takes more than one person to keep Monk out.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 5, 2007 4:35 PM | Report abuse

F chris Larry

Posted by: Web | February 5, 2007 4:36 PM | Report abuse

It's time for me to come clean my Nom de Guerre is Dr. Z.

Former Packers tight end Mark Chmura said Sunday morning on WAUK-AM (1510) that he wanted veteran NFL players to have a role in selecting Pro Football Hall of Fame honorees.

"I'm not opposed to the media having a vote, but there should be some players in there. I mean, how many times has Peter King gone up against Bruce Matthews?"

Posted by: Boofer | February 5, 2007 4:36 PM | Report abuse

If they raced back in the day, I think Deion wins by a hair due to D Green slipping at the start line on Neon's dripping Jheri curl juice.

Anyone remember Dieon's SI cover when he was at FSU? Scary. He's come a long way. Must be the money.,11105.html?PHPSESSID=2d75b159aca759a1a9981a783e0a8452

Posted by: LH | February 5, 2007 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Boofer, (no CAPS???)

Veteran players is important. But remember to call for players across eras. If you only let recently retired players in, you'll only see their contemporaries and their idols get in.

And transparency in the player presentations and deliberations is critical. It would eliminate the egregious grudges people seem to hold and force the electors to be accountable for their biases.

Posted by: P Diddy | February 5, 2007 4:39 PM | Report abuse

D Green did beat Willie Gault in one of those NFL fastest man competions.

Dr. Z (aka: PUTZ) - more worrisome might be you citing how the one receiver who did routinely victimize D. Green was HOF-bound M. Irvin (hate saying that)

Posted by: skinswest | February 5, 2007 4:41 PM | Report abuse

wow I guess I "offended" Dr. Z....sorry....

He is such a great writer....thank you for your transparency Dr. Z, what a gentlemen and a scholar. You must have a great reason for leading the case against could I have ever besmirched your honor....please my humblest is to another healthy 25 years of irrational Skins hatred.

And "Web" hello to you as well I didnt realize you were such a lover of TomKat, spelling snobs and Dr. Z in the future I will try not to offend hopefully I can work my way back into your good graces fine sir.....

Posted by: chris Larry | February 5, 2007 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Hi dealer *hug* sorry for the delayed response. Had a boring meeting listing to the boss drone on ... reminds me of Charlie Brown's teacher ... Waa Waa Waa Waa Wa. Waa Waa. Wa Waa Wa Waa.

Nope - never too late. Actually, if you can learn so surf on the right coast (east side) with the samll waves and low kinetic energy, the bigger waves are easier. It's like riding a motorcycle (yep, got a Valkrie) the faster you are going on the bike, the easier it is to keep it up and driving straight. The slower you go, the harder it is to balance.

Just go to any beach and sign up for surfing lessons. You can learn in 3 hours on a big board.


Posted by: SallieMae | February 5, 2007 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Pretty funny. From some website...
Players with great timed speed who never could get it to translate to the field.

1. Johnny "Lam" Jones / Jets
2. Rocky Thompson / Giants
3. Eddie Kennison / Rams, Saints, Bears, Broncos
4. Larry Burton / Saints
5. Gerald Tinker / Falcons
6. Steve Raible / Seahawks
7. Gaston Green / Rams
8. Randal Hill / Cards, Dolphins
9. Alexander Wright / Cowboys
10. James Williams / Bills
How does Trung Canidate not make this list?

Posted by: SMACK | February 5, 2007 4:51 PM | Report abuse

salliemae, i been to north shore of maui. yes it IS a surfer's paradise. coolest thing was (3 years ago) no corporations of any sort in sight. you could just sit there and listen to the waves and just watch...

adam, good to hear that i can still learn. who am i kidding...i got two kids...a wife who runs a pretty tight ship and carries a whip...i tell you...we need to form a union...of some sort...(diddy, yet another reason to not have kids).

my problem is that i got my little hands dirty in too many things (skins obsession(including this stupid blog), golf, bbal, picture taking(which involves hiking and hours of time, most of the time)) and no guy friend shares all these can't form a union and fight these mad wives.

that's it i'm putting my foot down...there'll be some negotiations going on tonite ohh wait check that tonite's 24 and prison break and Rome(from last night) night...well then it'll have to wait till tomorrow night...and if you don't hear from me on'll know why...

Posted by: dealer | February 5, 2007 4:52 PM | Report abuse

It's like riding a motorcycle (yep, got a Valkrie)

marry me!

Posted by: dealer | February 5, 2007 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Sean Taylor is going to be replacing Brian Dawkins in the pro-bowl, fyi.....

Congrats to him, overdue, I'd say.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | February 5, 2007 4:55 PM | Report abuse

dealer, there are no waves in Utah ;)


Posted by: EaglesFan | February 5, 2007 4:56 PM | Report abuse


Talking about good Ol Darrel Green, I use to go to GMU during the 90's working on yet another degree. To my amazement I noticed every summer Darrel would train with the track team to get in shape.

I saw it every summer - trust me here. He would come to the GMU field house at the beginning of the summer with a small pot belly, and whithin 3 - 4 weeks he was a mean lean Ggreen machine once again.


Posted by: SallieMae | February 5, 2007 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: LH | February 5, 2007 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Sean Taylor...sweet! He didnt have the best year but still good to see him go...

Much Love to Sean-Tay

ML to surfing....i cant get my lard ass up on won but my bro "monkaliscious" surfs the OBX weekly...

Posted by: chris Larry | February 5, 2007 5:00 PM | Report abuse

ha ha read my mind...i took out that part cuz i didn't think to use the state as a substitute...

i think the answer to that inquiry is pretty simple from dealeress and that would be "can she cook, clean and take care of the kids?"

Posted by: dealer | February 5, 2007 5:01 PM | Report abuse

awesome LH! his teeth are awesome in that pic.

Posted by: dealer | February 5, 2007 5:03 PM | Report abuse

LH.... stomach is turning now! What a fool Primetime was/is/will always be....and I LIKE flamboyant players.....his stink still covers snyder....things havent been the same since.....

Posted by: chris Larry | February 5, 2007 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Bullet Bob Hayes Was the world's fastest human Olpmpic Gold world record 100 in 64.

But 20 years latter Darrell's times were faster and right there with the best in the world. There is speed and then there is football speed and Darrell had plenty of both. I read somewhere about him that he said on the football field he rarely ever had to really "open it up" most plays he could go at maybe 75% effort and still cover and run with most NFL guys.

The Deion v Darrell race would have been close.Deion made everything look so easy, If Darrell had hands and technique like that he might have had 80 picks.

Posted by: Old School | February 5, 2007 5:11 PM | Report abuse


And talking about Deion ... did you all know he still owns a house in Centreville, VA.? When I was living in Centreville he was 2 blocks down from me.

To see him jogging early in the morning while his wife was trailing on a bike that he was pulling with a rope ... crazy.


Posted by: SallieMae | February 5, 2007 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Deion's got my vote for the HOF because of the hair, circa 1989. He looks like the original pimp. To recap, Irvin, yes. Original Pimp, yes. Monk, no. Green, no. In fact, maybe I'll start a campaign to get Riggins and Gibbs out of the HOF. After all, 4 Super Bowls in a decade, with 3 wins, certainly means no "signature moments" occurred.

Posted by: Dr. Z (aka:PUTZ) | February 5, 2007 5:17 PM | Report abuse

what a freakin a-hole...I can't beleive that guy wore the burgundy and gold.

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | February 5, 2007 5:18 PM | Report abuse


may i inquire about the signifigance of the "OK,OK" to start every post. Not complaining just curious.

Posted by: chris Larry | February 5, 2007 5:18 PM | Report abuse

F neon dieon

Posted by: chris Larry | February 5, 2007 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Sorry chris Larry - just how I talk in real life and it's just a habit.

No offense intended and it was deleted here for you in this response here ...



Posted by: SallieMae | February 5, 2007 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Salliemae...please I loove it, let your freak flag fly I say....just wanted the backstory!

ML to salliemae...


Posted by: chris Larry | February 5, 2007 5:24 PM | Report abuse


let your freak flag fly

LOL - reminds me of one of my favorite songs and entertainers - Rick James.

"She's a super freak, super freak, she's Super Freaky"


Posted by: SallieMae | February 5, 2007 5:29 PM | Report abuse

while flipping channels the other night I landed on ESPNC...Sportscentury was on and I always check it on the off-chance that they're featuring a former skin.

That night's episode? Terrell Owens.

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | February 5, 2007 5:32 PM | Report abuse

After doing ok all day, the Deion references brought me to the edge... and the T.O. reference pushed me over. Vomit spewing everywhere. Thanks, thanks a lot.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 5, 2007 5:35 PM | Report abuse

F T.O.

Posted by: chris Larry | February 5, 2007 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Now T. O has had some serious "signature moments" I want to vote for him right now!

Posted by: Dr. Z) | February 5, 2007 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Tell the truth, "PUTZ", you voted for T.O. on Saturday, and told me the only Redskin WR you'll ever vote for enshrinement is Albert Connell.

Posted by: Peter King | February 5, 2007 5:42 PM | Report abuse

No, I said Michael Westbrook. He had a signature moment when he beat up Stephen Davis. unforgettable. totally Hall worthy based on my criteria.

Posted by: Dr. Z (aka:PUTZ) | February 5, 2007 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Sure PK, but only if you explain your vote for Alvin Harper

Posted by: Dr. Z | February 5, 2007 5:50 PM | Report abuse

One thing that ought to drive people silly. Comparing Monks numbers to Irvins. Remember that Irvin played the prime of his career nearly a decade later than Monk. Receving numbers went up substantially from Monks prime to Irvins prime. Monk was the 1st to 100 catches which did not become common until nearly a decade later when Irvin played in his prime. That Monks numbers exceed Irvin even with the difference in eras makes it more meaningful. Btwn the two Monk is better.
Even more offensive is that none of the Hogs are in either. Because the Skins didnt get to 4 Super Bowls because of the QB.

Posted by: AL | February 5, 2007 5:51 PM | Report abuse

speaking of Albert Connell that punk was bragging about his 40 time claiming he was now the fastest redskin. Darrell, I guess hadn't run the 40 for time in a few years, promptly smoked a 4.2. end of story.

Posted by: Old School | February 5, 2007 5:52 PM | Report abuse

I heard Peter King voted for Tom Brady as MVP of last night's Super Bowl.

As frustrating as Dr. Z and King can sometimes be, I do enjoy reading their stuff. Heck, I'm also a big fan of TMQB, the Easterbrook column on espn. SO I must be an anomaly up here.

Nobody gives good column like our beloved Posties, as Super Bowl week reminded me, but sometimes you just can't get enough 'content.'

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 5, 2007 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Dr Z's signature moment came when he picked the wrong team to win the superbowl 41 times in a row. Other than SI writer, what other job in America can a total idiot get to keep their job after failing so miserably year after year... ok, other than SI writer AND current US President...

Posted by: Diesel | February 5, 2007 5:54 PM | Report abuse

LH - okay made my day with Neon stuff - man he is a bad American Idol audition in that video - I'd totally forgotten or blocked it out.

I know millions of people will argue with me but I think D. Green is the better CB. Deion is phenomenal no doubt and his adjustments off the line were amazing but I just don't know if he could run down E. Dickerson from the opposite side of the field. I wonder what DG thought of Neon when he came here. All this reminiscing has resurrected by long love affair with D. Green from afar.

By the way you guys on this blog are the coolest - SallieMae a surfer, Diddy is some sort of freak millionaire world traveler (I secretly think it's Bill Gates in disguise: ) jm220 can throw large redwood trees at the backs of people's heads, Lisa's football knowledge knows no bounds and on and on and on.

I say when the Lancers get to XLII we have a RI SB party maybe hosted by WaPo except for Diddy he'll be on the 50 yard line with Brooklyn Decker.

By the way jm - your gym story made me nod in appreciation - usually boys work all upper body and have chicken legs and being a legs gal myself well it's just disappointment after disappointment. . .it's why I love me the soccer players.

Posted by: sfskin | February 5, 2007 5:54 PM | Report abuse

More accurate version of the off-season schedule

Posted by: dcsween | February 5, 2007 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Good point, AL. The Skins won 3 superbowls with 3 different QB/RB combos and 3 different core Defense and Special Teams. The only constant? The hogs. Bostic, Grimm, Jacoby are all Hall of Famers.

Posted by: Diesel | February 5, 2007 5:57 PM | Report abuse

You guys have me in tears over here. I leave for two hours to hit the gym and you guys go crazy.

Dealer ready to make a stand up to the wife and asking SallieMae to marry him. lol

CL coming with the strong hate and telling SallieMae to let the freak out.

sfskin I try to spread my weight to chest, arms, back, and legs. (kattie might say a** as well that's all she kept talking about in New Orleans)

SallieMae rides a bike and pulls out the Rick James. (something about that I think is sexy lol)

Posted by: jm220 | February 5, 2007 6:08 PM | Report abuse

The hogs. Bostic, Grimm, Jacoby are all Hall of Famers

Is Grimm in? Oh how I long for all the hogs to be there. I thought Grimm was still waiting ... but I defer, there are much greater minds, smarter peeps than me in here.


Posted by: Anonymous | February 5, 2007 6:09 PM | Report abuse


WHo hit the ENTER button B4 i was ready?



Posted by: SallieMae | February 5, 2007 6:09 PM | Report abuse


*waving* Hi jm220 *hugs*

Posted by: SallieMae | February 5, 2007 6:11 PM | Report abuse


About to start a whole new debate. The only real constant was Gibbs! He always seems to be an after thought when ever the discussion in the media turns to the greatest coaches of alltime, its always something like "Lombardi, Walsh, Parcells belichik, oh and don't forget Joe Gibbs". Thats total bs he deserves front of the line mention with anyone.Not taking anything away from the others but I would to have seen what joe would have done with Montana or Brady or someone like LT. and how would the other coaches faired if they had the likes of Joe T, williams (Way past his prime) or Ryp. under center. He really doesn't get enough credit for winning with these guys. Joe T was his best qb but pretty close to over the hill when he got there (32) just imagine if was 22 instead how different things might have been. Thats why i"m excited about the next couple years because I think JC can be the young franchise QB that Gibbs I never had.

Posted by: Old School | February 5, 2007 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Hugs SallieMae.

Posted by: jm220 | February 5, 2007 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Old School... I agree with you 100%... I was trying to make a point that the hogs SHOULD be in the HOF, but in my opinion (biased as it may be), Joe Gibbs (version1) is tied with Lombardi for the greatest head coach of all time.

Posted by: Diesel | February 5, 2007 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Old School, terrific point. I hope that Gibbs, having finally overcome his allergy to playing a young QB, will fully embrace Soupy and give him every chance to succeed. And since I am a fool for Gibbs, I believe he will.

I also think that, having 'returned to Redskins football' in the middle of the past two seasons by deciding to run the damn ball, Gibbs will be running from week one. Portis, Portis, Betts, Portis, Betts. Commitment to the running game is the BEST support Gibbs can provide for the young QB. (It won't hurt for the D to bounce back, which I also think will happen, since I am a pathetic homer.)

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 5, 2007 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Let me jump in here on the D Green debate about football speed and track speed since I did both.( I was a sprinter Sfskin and always had big legs) Yes there is a big difference between football speed and track speed. D Green was blessed with both. It is very hard for most track runners to turn track success into football success. In my opinion the number one reason is equipment. As a sprinter you want the least amount of clothes on as possible especial around your legs. There is an adjustment to running with knee, thigh, butt, hip pads, and supportive cup. Add in the shoulder pads and helmet. It's going to slow you down due to the changing of your technique and form. (yes there is technique and form to running) The best track form I have ever seen in football was Eric D when he was with the Rams. (in open field)

Posted by: jm220 | February 5, 2007 6:31 PM | Report abuse

I still think Gibbs is leaving to run the racing team, so his son can handle the seriously-ill grandson issue.

Hasn't Redskins One picked up Lovie Smith for a visit to Redskins Park yet?

Posted by: The Mole | February 5, 2007 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Late Breaking News - Actually about the Skins!

Jon Jansen has signed a new 5 year deal with the Skins. Reportedly about 20 million.

Posted by: Lisa | February 5, 2007 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Aaaagh, jm220, Eric Dickerson, I used to hate him. In my memory he was one of those dudes who got into the open field (a lot) and would run basically bolt upright. Plus the corny four-eyes look in those Kurt Rambis goggles.

Mole, I see what you're saying, but how does Gibbs going back to NASCAR help his son care for the sick grandchild? I think you're mixing things up a bit. And I think there has been NO indication that Gibbs is stepping down aside from the innuendo up here. It would be grossly irresponsible for Gibbs to leave now; it would be waaaay out of character for him to leave the team high and dry this "late," like Parcells did. My opinion...

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 5, 2007 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, was that basically a re-structuring of his old deal? Sounds good to me, though I know there are some up here who think Jansen is finished (totally wrong, IMO).

What about Hickory Dickery Dockery???

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 5, 2007 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Where is MV Dame with the ticker?

We've gotta be at, like, 112,000 comments by now.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 5, 2007 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Nate, I'm assuming Jansen restructured. My late breaking news was just announced on Comcast Sports Net. They said the Skins would be making an official announcement soon. Jansen is one of the players with a high number and Jason reported last week that the Skins planned to talk with him about restructuring.

Posted by: Lisa | February 5, 2007 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Nate a lot of people didn't like Eric D. But man as a track runner I loved watching him in open field. Hey did you say to Mrs. Nate when you was drunk I want to kiss you. lol

Posted by: jm220 | February 5, 2007 6:48 PM | Report abuse

I LOVE Eric Dickerson (now) - I think he is really sexy.

This must be "failed QB week" - yesterday ESPN did a segment on Ryan Leaf. Today Comcast is doing a segment on Heath Shuler....who is now a US Congressman.

Posted by: Lisa | February 5, 2007 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Lisa you had to bring up Shuler. Can someone please just make the pain stop? lol

Posted by: jm220 | February 5, 2007 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Welcome back. How was the Versace Mansion?

On a more serious note, what did you hear about the rumors floating around DC that coach Gibbs told Mr. Snyder that he will not be returning to the Skins next season because he wants to devote more time to his family, specifically his sick grandson?

Posted by: Rick | February 5, 2007 7:07 PM | Report abuse


Where did you come up with that? I have heard NOTHING about it and it does not sound valid at all.

Posted by: Lisa | February 5, 2007 7:09 PM | Report abuse

I didn't come up with it. I heard it last week, while in DC, and then again on Saturday (twice) at 2 different SuperBowl parties, in Miami. I hope he stays around and fulfills his contract.

Posted by: Rick | February 5, 2007 7:37 PM | Report abuse

It would be totally unlike Gibbs to do that....he feels such an allegiance to Snyder so to leave him hanging right now would shocking. Maybe the rumors were about his son....who has left the team.

Posted by: Lisa | February 5, 2007 8:03 PM | Report abuse

I have to say the 2 players I despise the most would be Neon and Irvin. Both great players in their prime, no doubt, but just the smack talkin', showboatin', and crack smokin' was way too much. I hate the cowpies as much as the next RI'er, but at least Emmit was a class act. Of all, I guess I hate Neon Moron the most for coming here and taking up our cap space and not tackling anyone the entire time he was wasting our oxygen.

I guess I could blame Danny just as much tho.....

Posted by: pulldownclaw | February 5, 2007 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Isn't it way too early to start talking about whether Joe Gibbs will be in Washington next season???

Posted by: Jorge | February 5, 2007 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Alright, here comes the Cavalry. Nate, bit simplistic to say Parcells left us (Dallas in case anyone forgot) high and dry. That's a decent and well-positioned team there. Could it all fall apart? Of course. But I'm looking at this as an opportunity to begin a new generation. Do you think there is some whiz-kid coach we missed out on by not hiring in February?

Second, I know you didn't mean to, but you shouldn't link Deion in with crack smoking. I think he's a pretty smart sober guy who cultivated an image brilliantly. But he was no Bosworth, Deion could back it up. You know what, if Devin Hester wants to go cut a rap video about how great he is, he has my blessing because that is one BAMF. Fumbling aside.

And people, a drug problem is a drug problem. I'm sorry that crack predominates in the black community, and carries a stigma that Favre's pill-popping and Namath's alcoholism do not. I'm not really fired up and I hope I don't sound that way, just trying to keep the conversation going. I don't try to Cowboy up up here too much unless I feel a real injustice has been done.


Posted by: SMACK | February 5, 2007 9:44 PM | Report abuse

not hiring in January, i meant.

Posted by: SMACK | February 5, 2007 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Jury Duty sucks!!!

You guys blogged your guts out today... well done regulars, nice showing everyone else. I'm not even going to read all that crap tonight cause I'm trying to go to bed. Can someone give me the overall re-cap?? I don't want to miss something and be "that guy" two threads later. Yeah, I'm calling you out spell check snob. I was you once. Noob.

Posted by: Dorf | February 5, 2007 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Dorf...all religions are fine with us, Darrell Green is fast, Michael Irvin sucks and Art got jobbed.

That's about the size of it.

Posted by: SMACK | February 5, 2007 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I knew what I was doing when I lumped Deeon in with the crack, but I couldn't help myself, it rhymed. I almost pulled the bungee out for ya, but you climbed back down, good work. I'll call anyone out on their problem, including my own. I probably overserved myself on the Arrogant Bastard Ale last night.

Much respect to you for coming up here and handling your business in hostile territory.

Are you really glad Parcells is gone?


Posted by: pulldownclaw | February 5, 2007 10:08 PM | Report abuse

34-32 with no playoff victories. There's not a lot to cry about. If my car only started half the time, well, I'd get a new car.

Posted by: SMACK | February 5, 2007 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Good enough. I could say the same about St. Joe, but will give him another year. Then, I may get on the Russ Grimm recruitment team.

Posted by: pulldownclaw | February 5, 2007 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Oh yeah, one more miscellaneous Supa Bowl rant before bedtime. Anyone else think it was wierd that they couldn't figure out how to keep the camera lenses dry during the game (except for the cable cam). I mean, how much $$$$ do they have invested in this game and they didn't plan for that possibility?

Could just be me, because I am a camera guy myself, but thought it was a little wierd. They DO have covers for most cameras. It looked like I was watching a Whitesnake video for most of the night. Tawny Kitane, mmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Posted by: pulldownclaw | February 5, 2007 10:34 PM | Report abuse

I am with you pulldownclaw....the no wipe lens was straight lame!

Posted by: chris larry | February 5, 2007 10:54 PM | Report abuse

One last comment for my day - I meant to bow down and praise Nate whose drunken posts yesterday were a beautiful thing to see.

I think drunk blogging should replace or at least be alongside drunk dialing.

Not that I advocate a lot of drinking, it's one of the main factors in my family telenovella but the happy vaguely ornery drunk like Nate is fun for all.

jm - love the sprinters and their legs as well although sometimes just a bit too ripped plus despite nice a$$ viewing the spandex running ensemble isn't exactly my cup of tea - understand the purpose but not always most attractive.

I have no idea why but I just had a horrifying image fly through my brain - The King in a sprinters spandex. . . . ahhhh sorry Cyn Cyty and Lisa . ..

Posted by: sfskin | February 6, 2007 12:54 AM | Report abuse

Nate should get the All-Pro blogger award; we could send him to Hawaii, but I think it'd work better if we send him back to the pub, prepay the three-pitcher tab, and let him entertain us ('cause there's no other way in hell I'd watch the Pro Bowl).
Could do the same thing for the combines, but I'm afraid that the beer would run out in the middle of Def. Tackle 40 times. No one wants to see 345lbs. of jelly sauntering vaguely toward the finish line sober.

Posted by: cload and daggar | February 6, 2007 1:08 AM | Report abuse

Man, are we all watching the Pro Bowl together? I don't think I can handle that.

BTW, Heroes tonight? Fun.
24 tonight? Fun.

I'm addicted to Monday night couch-surfing and teevee watching.

Posted by: P Diddy | February 6, 2007 1:54 AM | Report abuse

Oh, if you watched "Heroes", did you catch the license plate on Hiro's dad's car? "NCC 1701".


Posted by: P Diddy | February 6, 2007 1:54 AM | Report abuse

Haven't seen it yet, but hey genuis diddy, explain that one to me?

Posted by: Dorf | February 6, 2007 8:37 AM | Report abuse

Dorf, I'm torn between my "male answer syndrome" (the need to answer every question) and my nerd shame ... but here goes ... NCC 1701 is vessel number of the Enterprise (as in James T. Kirk).

Posted by: dcsween | February 6, 2007 8:55 AM | Report abuse

and my nerd shame

dcsween come on bra. Who isn't a Kirk fan? Scotty I need more power. lol

Posted by: Anonymous | February 6, 2007 9:09 AM | Report abuse

...sorry folks...but I love this astronaut assault story. That nut job drove all the way from TX to FL peeing in her depends the whole way through.

It's not all spacewalks up there I guess.

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | February 6, 2007 9:49 AM | Report abuse

My man Dancin' Rick, you are killing me with the Gibbs rumor stuff up above. I just don't believe it, and most of that is not wanting to believe it.

SMACK, the point I failed to express above was that Parcells did leave relatively late, and that did put Jones behind the eight-ball to some extent. Now he's not finalizing the Cowboys' staff until after the Super Bowl, which I think is kind of a minor shabingus. But you're right, a bad analogy. Yesterday was a day for bad analogies up here.

If Gibbs were to leave now it would be a total Shabingus. One of the current staff would be tapped as successor, and whoever that was, it would be a mess. Instead of team vacation time, we're redoing the Plan. Nobody wants that, especially Gibbs. He actually does care about the team, even among greater priorities like family.

If I recall from the article on Gibbs' ailing grandchild was diagnosed some time ago, so Gibbs could have gracefully stepped down more or less immediately after the Skins' season ended if that's what he wanted. He didn't. He's not the dithering type.

I say he coaches out his contract, which would be the next two seasons (right?) and gets us back to the playoffs both years. He's not going to leave the franchise high and dry.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 6, 2007 10:00 AM | Report abuse

And since I just wrote a long blathering post, that must mean it's time for J-Gun to hit us with a new thread, to save everyone having to scroll past my blather.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 6, 2007 10:01 AM | Report abuse

J-LaToucanfora, I meant.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 6, 2007 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Diddy... are you a license plate watcher because of George Lucas? THX-1138/American Graffiti/Harrison Ford's hot rod and all that.

dcsween, I'll see your nerd shame and raise as well.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 6, 2007 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Parcells didn't excatly leave the 'boys and Jets high and dry...but he screwed the Pats big-time by letting it out that he was leaving before the Super Bowl.

What the F kind of sh*t is that? Way to fire up your team for the big game tuna.

are we in panties territory yet? I've already mentioned we can't be far off the mark.

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | February 6, 2007 10:08 AM | Report abuse

I must be half asleep, Hayes, because you punted that one way over my head.

From depends to panties... I like the way you think, kemosabe.

"Dancin' Rick says, 'I don't like ya, but I respect your moves!'"

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 6, 2007 10:22 AM | Report abuse

ummmmmm it's cold. no, you don't understand it's COLD. really like COLD. my hand that was holding the late fell off. SIX that's right SIX, SEIS DEGREES FARENHEIT. COLD. It's COLD. SIX degrees!!! ohh and the windchill i'm sorry...NEGATIVE FOUR! NEGATIVO cuatro! It's COLD. COLD, COLD, COLD.

spoiler alert!!!!

hmmmmm poor brit dude! chloe can handle herself better than this chump!

babe dude, love the fact that he'll be the bad dude.

president palmer needs to go and his sister. i'm begining to miss big collar limp handshake president.

prison break: love it, love it. eventhough the only people who can act are the bad dudes. and how come none of these convicts can grow beards??? you'd think that's a built in disguise...won't cost money(probly save money)...?

Posted by: dealer | February 6, 2007 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Nate...slow down..take the time to's tough when posting 18 times in a row...I know.

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | February 6, 2007 10:49 AM | Report abuse

This is hard to believe but I'm actually agreeing BIG TIME with Steve Czaban. He has been going off all morning about the Monk snubbing....and he has made lots of valid points.

Posted by: Lisa | February 6, 2007 10:54 AM | Report abuse

lisa, some nice lady called in riggo last night and made a very good point. yes, monk not getting in sucks this year but he'd been getting in with the likes of michael irvin, cocaine(bad stuff people), hookers, guns,....and he'd have to share the stage with monk. not a good thing...

Posted by: dealer | February 6, 2007 11:02 AM | Report abuse

I'm going to spin a conspiracy theory about the conspiracy theory of Gibbs leaving.

This theory is being put out there so we all have something to blather on about that is occaisonally related to Lancers football on the blog. Afterall this is the center of the known universe.

The added bonus is we get all fired up and verbally charge around like headless chickens full of righteous moral indignation. How is that anything but entertainment?

Posted by: sfskin | February 6, 2007 11:16 AM | Report abuse

I hate to do this but . . . it was 70 here yesterday. Today is a little cooler only 60-65 and horror of horrors it's gonna rain tomorrow!

42 below zero - I experienced that in college in Vermont and it is so one of the major reasons why I live in Cali.

Stay warm kids.

By the way anyone have the WaPo weather cam link handy? I was wondering if a garden gnome or any other decorative elements were added. I'd love a garden gnome with ear muffs.

Posted by: sfskin | February 6, 2007 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Yes, Dealer, but this probably means he will NEVER get in. Chris Carter is up next year and will be a shoo-in. Then comes Jerry Rice, etc.

Posted by: Lisa | February 6, 2007 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Jason - where are you?

Just wanted to know if you and Lauren are attending the Terry McAuliffe Book Party on Thursday night? My company is hosting it (along with the Hyatt) and I saw your name on the list of attendees.

Posted by: Lisa | February 6, 2007 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Who cares if he shares the stage with Irvin.....just get in!

I know we are pissed about Monk, nobody more than me, but the moralizing about the drugs and all that just sounds silly.....If it meant he was in the Hall he could be up there with OJ, Ray Lewis, Irvin, Mercury Morris, Lawrence Taylor, Dexter Manley and Tank Johnson for all care?!?!?! How does that diminish Monk??

Plus drugs and hookers are cool, werent not Irvin's wife or braincells so WHO CARES!!!

The issue is ON THE FIELD and thats what the crock is that Monk is not IN! I don't care if he talked to the media, was a christian, skip out on a day of his pee wee summer camp, played the game the right way....WHATEVER!

The dude has the rings, the numbers, the longevity, the post season numbers, the blocking skills, the multi demensional game and the SUPPORT of everybody who has ever played, coached or scouted the freakin game!!!!!!!!!! Just not these hacke psuedo celebrity writers who like to have themselves talked about like they actually matter!

And Cris Carter before Monk is a complete about your compilers....and hello his best years were with Randy Freakin Moss on the other side and was never a "one man show".

ugh I hate this topic......its a travesty Monk isnt in....and I agree with Lisa he aint gettin in anytime soon......this has vetern's comitte written all over it....

Posted by: chris Larry | February 6, 2007 11:29 AM | Report abuse

And no signature catches, that is complete BS...its because he had like 200!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dwight Clark has maybe the most signature catch in league history and he is not even in the HOSHAME?????? So how does that matter? What a few media clips is what you need.....GIVE ME A BREAK

Posted by: chris Larry | February 6, 2007 11:36 AM | Report abuse

lisa, why can't two receivers get in at the same time? also these idiots who aren't voting for him need to be picked up by lancers One and wined and dined by mr. snyder. and for the skins and gibbs to win a year.

also what's a book party? is it hosted by the author where you get to ask him/her questions about the book? or is that something else...

sfskin, you suck! actually i've discovered a very useful thing about frigid weather. i can get rid of my headaches by just walking around for 5-10 minutes. i'm 2 for 2 so far.

and what is the conspiracy theory about gibbs leaving? all conspiracy theories have to pass my dashboard first. one thing though snyder can be very secretive when he wants to be. rember the gibbs hiring? that came out of nowhere. and then len pesky tried to be like "ohh yeah, i knew that all along..."...

Posted by: dealer | February 6, 2007 11:40 AM | Report abuse

even the term 'signature move' or 'signature catch' is a fabricated media crock unto itself.

What is the deal with Dr. Z anyway? Would anyone listen to this clown if he didn't use this silly moniker? It's like...'ooohhh Dr Z says'...

And Len P is a fat turd

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | February 6, 2007 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Pardon me, I'm new to this blog. What's all this talk about changing the Redskin's name? Is this for real? I have to tell you I'm not thrilled with "Lancers".

Posted by: sjv49 | February 6, 2007 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Diddy, good call on the Male Answer Syndrome (MAS) v. Nerd Shame (NS). Whenever I find myself giving into MAS and not adhering to my nerd shame (NS) I usually insert a Dr. Fink noise in there to make myself feel better.

That meteor is headed straight for us! With the fire, and the impact, and the hundred percent chance of PAIN! PAIN IN THE GLAVIN!

BTW: The voice of Bart Simpsons, Nancy Cartwright (no relation to Rock) is a member of scientology. I wasn't able to participate in the always enjoyable religious debate from yesterday, but I thought it might add to the discussion if it continues on today.

Posted by: Dorf | February 6, 2007 11:50 AM | Report abuse

sjv49, few of us have decided not to call washington NFL franchise by its legal name. because we find it offensive. so all of last year we used "skins" but recently "SFSKIN" introduced "red lancers"... but if you'd like you can come up with your own name and see if it sticks on this blog. no big deal. or if you want to still keep calling them by their legal name. that's fine too. everyone will understand what team you're talking about...either way...

Posted by: dealer | February 6, 2007 11:52 AM | Report abuse


I don't understand why two WRs can't get in at the same time....baffles me...but all the commentators mention that the voters never seem to want to induct more than one. In fact, the voters seem to take a hard stance on WRs in general.

To answer your other question, my company is the booking agent for Terry McAuliffe, Bill Clinton's former campaign manager and the former Democratic National Committee chairman. He has written his first book and we are throwing a party to celebrate it.

Posted by: Lisa | February 6, 2007 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Dorf...scary stuff. I still can't believe that Beck is a Scientologist. Rolling Stone had a great piece on the 'religion' last year as did Radar magazine.

I sincerely hope that JC isn't trapped in the Versace mansion wine cellar having his thetans purged by the likes of TomKat.

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | February 6, 2007 11:56 AM | Report abuse

That would be Professor Fink. Not sure you can get a PhD in mad scientisting and/or inventing flubber.

New guy: Red Lancers is some of the blog members 'PC' name for the Redskins. Up here, we are smart, informed and socially aware so it would make sense that we use the name Red Lancers. That and were dorks.

Posted by: Dorf | February 6, 2007 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Len Pas...queer...eli is a....klingon.... bastard

Posted by: James T. Kirk | February 6, 2007 12:02 PM | Report abuse

I like Red Fire....Red Warriors...Red Flash...Red Flame....something along that line. "Lancers" reminds me of bloodletting.

Posted by: Lisa | February 6, 2007 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Ugh, Cris Carter, Tim Brown and Andre Reed will get serious consideration and maybe even induction to the HOF while Monk languishes for eight or (probably) many more years of eligibility.

Seriously, none of those dudes has a ring, much less three. But Monk didn't have a Chris Berman tag line like "Cris Carter... all he does is catch touchdowns!" That sums it up for me.

Monk should ask that the HOF remove his name from consideration, claiming that it insults him and sullies his reputation to be subjected to this very public disappointment year after year. That's what Harry Carson did, and you know what? It got Carson elected.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 6, 2007 12:04 PM | Report abuse

dealer - your capitalization of my moniker makes me realize that I should probably change it to be consistent. . . henceforth I will try to remember to be SFLANCER. . . let it be declared across the land. . .

sjv49 - to second dealer's post yeah a lot of us find the team name deeply problematic. I suggested Red Lancers because it maintained the Red so the 'R' paraphanelia would still be current, it makes uniform changes easy just use the throwback unis with spear w/feather which I love and the Red Lancers were a crack military unit in Napoleon's army so it's go the whole warrior vibe.

Posted by: sfskin | February 6, 2007 12:06 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: IDIOTCOWBOYFANBAITER | February 6, 2007 12:08 PM | Report abuse

I think we should all crash Lisa book party. lol

Posted by: jm220 | February 6, 2007 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Len P stinks like an old hoagie baking on the dash of a Chrysler LeBaron on a hot August day in south Philly.

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | February 6, 2007 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Didn't Redcoat have something to do with Red Lancers?

Its funny that southpark made fun of scientology causing Chef (Isaac Hayes) to quit. Nancy Cartwright has some say in what the writers put into the show according to wikipedia... she has veto power over any scientology wise crackings. I guess if you're the voice of Bart Simpson... the must not be able to go on without her.

Jason, come back soon. We are aimless once again

Posted by: Dorf | February 6, 2007 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Lisa - hope you don't mind I'm going to tweak you a bit . . . : )

I'm chuckling about your reluctance with the Lancers name (although I really dig some of your suggestions) because of the bloodletting when we're talking about football which is basically a blood sport except they have so many pads it prevents major blood spurts. : )

We could go the Stanford route and adopt a color as our name and a tree as our mascot . . . except the poor guy in the mascot uni would have to run for his life as the Danny pursued him with a chainsaw in order to get a better view of the field.

Posted by: sflancer | February 6, 2007 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: is that lady cindy? | February 6, 2007 12:15 PM | Report abuse

I ask again that the name "doof" or "doofus" be stricken from the name calling word bank as it is a term of endearment for me. It confuses me. As do women and time travel theories.

Posted by: Dorf | February 6, 2007 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Dorf - the Red Lancers fought the Red Coats on several occaisons. Sadly the Redcoats ultimately prevailed although the Bluecoats did kick their ass with the help of the pre cursors to the Red Lancers ah how it all comes around. . . I love standardized test days . .

Posted by: sfdork | February 6, 2007 12:17 PM | Report abuse


While I see your point about the "bloodletting" and hard hitting football, it just reminds me too much of leeches instead of football. But that's just me....

Posted by: Lisa | February 6, 2007 12:18 PM | Report abuse


. . . except the poor guy in the mascot uni would have to run for his life as the Danny pursued him with a chainsaw in order to get a better view of the field.

Excellent - very funny.

Posted by: Mark | February 6, 2007 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Is that Cyn Cyty?!? Lady Cyndy spotted!

Watch the video it's actually pretty good. Except where the hell was it filmed? TK's vanity room? He deserves one don't get me wrong.

Posted by: sflancer | February 6, 2007 12:29 PM | Report abuse


Was that you in the video?

Loved the poster of Tony "Bald As I Wanna Be" :-)

Posted by: Lisa | February 6, 2007 12:42 PM | Report abuse


Your favorite astronaut just got herself a murder one charge

Very tragic, but just so weird I'm disturbingly amused

"That's one small step for man and one of my 4 inch stilettos up your a** for messing with my man, bi*ch!"


Posted by: EaglesFan | February 6, 2007 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Uh, I meant ATTEMPTED murder one charge. Thankfully, this mission was not accomplished.


Posted by: EaglesFan | February 6, 2007 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Adam I'm with you there is something deeply and darkly funny about the astronaut love triangle murder story. Maybe it's cause it doesn't jive with "All the Right Stuff" or you figure if you're an astronaut whose gone into space you have strange epiphany and crimes of passion are so tawdry and earthly.

Posted by: sflancer | February 6, 2007 12:52 PM | Report abuse

ha! Yea...I was gonna say I didn't think she got the job done.

'...take your protein pills and put your depends on...'

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | February 6, 2007 12:56 PM | Report abuse

They're going to send her on a probe to Uranus

Posted by: Neil Armstrong | February 6, 2007 1:00 PM | Report abuse


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Posted by: milf | February 6, 2007 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Dorf, on the topic of the Red Lancers and keeping the letter R on the helmet ... don't forget the R in the name of Professor FRink (glavin):

Posted by: dcsween | February 6, 2007 1:22 PM | Report abuse

This video rocks. Better than PTI, if that's possible. It's a single camera, free-flowing kind of amped up conversation. Something really cool about this whole thing. I love it. Is this a recurring feature?

Is that Cindy? Hooray for our girl!

These dudes are tall. And funny. That must be TK's office.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 6, 2007 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Also, I'm pretty sure Professor Frink is psyched about Sean Taylor in the Pro Bowl ... with the catching ... and the intercepting ... and the pushing ... and the spitting ... and the BONE-crushing tackles (glavin) ...

Posted by: dcsween | February 6, 2007 1:25 PM | Report abuse

sween, you are all over the Professor today.

Lisa, I am kind of digging Red Warriors. But maybe it retains some of the allusion to red skin coloring which makes the current nickname so uncomfortable. I'm sticking with Red Lancers (har de har har).

0 TCCL's for Scientology.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 6, 2007 1:29 PM | Report abuse

wow you are so right dcsween, thanks for the correction

you let me go a while before correcting me though... better late than never

Posted by: Dorf | February 6, 2007 1:32 PM | Report abuse

We could go for the Rainbow Warriors... I'm sure that wouldn't offend anyone.

Posted by: Dorf | February 6, 2007 1:33 PM | Report abuse

does everyone know where the name "redskin" came from? Or have all the facts been brought up and debated prior to my arrival? It was meant as a ribute to a native american coach. The logo was brought to the 'skins by the indian national congress to be worn out of pride.

Posted by: jm | February 6, 2007 1:34 PM | Report abuse

The coach in question may or may not have had American Indian ancestry, (check Wikipedia) but that's not the issue.

It might have been a term of convivial tribute 75 years ago, but 'redskin' just doesn't work. It's embarassing for me to say the name of our beloved team! Just thinking about trying to explain and justify it to my son... ugh.

How about this for a perspective: If a new team mascot were being selected today, would a name like "Redskins" EVER be considered? No, no, no!

Sorry, rant complete.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 6, 2007 1:41 PM | Report abuse

There is something darkly funny about the crazy astronaut. But I feel bad for the Top Gun pilot caught in the middle. The media is portraying this as a "love triangle" when there is nothing to show that Maverick had anything going on with either of the women other than the nutcase's musings. "Nowak told police that her relationship with Oefelein was "more than a working relationship but less than a romantic relationship," according to an arrest affidavit." This poor guy may not have done anything and he's made to look like a cad who was fooling around with a not at all hot married mother of three.

Wilbon and Tony were great. Best shot: The shot of the mirror showing the back of Tony's head with the Bald As I Wanna Be poster in the background.

Posted by: LH | February 6, 2007 1:41 PM | Report abuse

I am waaay ahead in my division statisically...leading with quiet grace for years...but I am totally lacking a signature move. Maybe I can be 'conference call interrupter guy'...OR 'derogatory term directed at co-worker / check myself into rehab guy.'

I'm just a few white lines short of the HOF people.

mothereffin panties

Posted by: Jeff Hayes | February 6, 2007 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Take a deep breath Jeff Hayes. It will be OK. Really lol

Posted by: jm220 | February 6, 2007 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Was that a momentarily weightless jm posting above?

A tip of the hat to the astronauts, perhaps?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 6, 2007 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Astronaut lady
Drives cross-country with Depends
Jeff Hayes pantyless

Posted by: AttemptsHaikuVeryLamely | February 6, 2007 1:49 PM | Report abuse

The whole Redskin Thing is debatable...

Me and Diddy's High School Ala Ma Mater's were the Blue Devils. I hated that term. While Playing football, we had to yell out 'Devils!' to break up and hit the showers and I would always feel this remorse of us being called 'Da Devils'. I hated it, just hated it....

So, where is the outcry here?!?!?!?

PS - 24 sucks now. They need to push this show to 2 pm where the Other Soap Operas are. That's what happens when you kill one too many black men.....

Posted by: 4th | February 6, 2007 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Was that a momentarily weightless jm posting above?

Nate do you want a smack in the back of the head? You should know that wasn't my post. Lancers sounds much better to me than the other name.

Posted by: jm220 | February 6, 2007 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Didn't she have to stop for gas once or twice on a 900-mile drive? Couldn't she just take a leak while she was filling up? Chick is wonky in the head! Anyone got any stalker stories? I broke up with a girl once, and the next day she joined my gym despite living 25-miles away. Ree ree ree!

Posted by: SMACK | February 6, 2007 1:56 PM | Report abuse

New post!

Posted by: SMACK | February 6, 2007 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Now that I've been on a Simpsons kick all day (glavin) I wanted to share with you one of my favorite characters... Gil Gunderson...

That guy just cracks me up.

Posted by: Dorf | February 6, 2007 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Nate, I understand that the nature of the word put into today's context seems derogatory. But if it was intended as a tribute to William "Lone Star" Dietz, doesn't that intention carry on through the course of time? Is there a question of the legitamcy of Dietz's origins? What about the logo? The Indian National Congress brought the logo to the 'aforementioned team' and asked the team to honor them with the logo of the indian head. It is considered to be one of their greater accomplishments.
My intent is not to offend here; I also don't want to re-discuss original discussions. I just want to make sure the facts are out there.

Posted by: jm | February 6, 2007 1:59 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Anonymous | February 6, 2007 2:01 PM | Report abuse

When someone mentions the Washington Redskins, does the receiver think that a derogatory word was just used? Or do they think of the greatest football team in the history of time? I think the only people who get uneasy when the team name is used, is dallas fans. I almost think the team has taken over the term instead of the other way around.

Posted by: (the other)jm | February 6, 2007 2:06 PM | Report abuse

new post

Posted by: Anonymous | February 6, 2007 2:08 PM | Report abuse

The other JM - Maybe you should put your weight behind the initials so we don't mix you guys up.....

Isn't Cowboys a derogatory term??

Posted by: 4th | February 6, 2007 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Highlights from yesterday:

"I have no idea why but I just had a horrifying image fly through my brain - The King in a sprinters spandex. . . . ahhhh sorry Cyn Cyty and Lisa ..."

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Posted by: Steve Sabol | February 6, 2007 2:11 PM | Report abuse

(the other)jm

The Native Americans have a problem with it and that's all that should matter.

Posted by: jm220 | February 6, 2007 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Sfskin...I am utterly grossed out.
As for the video, that might be me. It might not.
All I know is that it was filmed in TK's dressing room at "PTI." We're gonna do more of that, but alter the format a bit. It'll be a feature three days a week, until Tony starts "MNF" prep in July.
That was just our first stab at it. Always a good idea to try something new when you've had three hours of sleep.
We'd like to add a viewer question each day. You guys up for that?

Posted by: Cindy | February 6, 2007 2:16 PM | Report abuse

And you shall call me...jm199.5

Posted by: jm200 | February 6, 2007 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Thats a bit generic to say that all Native Americans have a problem with it. I understand that there are Native Americans that have a problem with the name, but there are also Native Americans that do consider it an honor. I think they matter as well.

For the record, TK thinks they should put a potato on thier helmets and they would still be able to use the term "Redskins". Would that still be offensive?

Posted by: jm199.5 | February 6, 2007 2:26 PM | Report abuse


I never stated that all have a problem with it.

Posted by: jm220 | February 6, 2007 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Ok. I misunderstood, the generalization that "the Native Americans have a problem with it" led me to think you were lumping all Native Americans into one term.
I am simply suggesting that there are differing views within the Native American community. Not only differing views but completely contradictory views.
Again, I understand the derogatory nature of the word itself, but I think that the facts provide a different look at the term when put into context of the team name.
For the record, I'm not saying that the term is great and shouldn't be discussed. I just want all the facts and all the opinions on the table before casting the team name aside.

Posted by: jm199.5 | February 6, 2007 2:40 PM | Report abuse

No one has a problem with being called 'Da Devils'?

I am not a Devil.

Posted by: 4th | February 6, 2007 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Dunno if we're going to continue this conversation here or on the next post, but I know that aside from any history I am uncomfortable with the team's nickname, and I hope that during my lifetime it is changed. So more than any factual justification, I am going off my feelings on this one.

I like having a surrogate nickname at the ready. I've taken a liking to Red Lancers and am trying to use it in place of the official name. So it's kind of a joke but kind of not a joke.

'new jm' welcome, by the way. We'll really have to work on your nickname to keep you from being confused with the incumbent jm, he of the 220. But there's plenty of room for both of you, no matter how fat you guys are. (har de har har)

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | February 6, 2007 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Fair enough, Nate. I respect your opinion. But I do enjoy this conversation, as well as any conversation regarding our great Team!

Posted by: jm1 | February 6, 2007 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, that was jm199.5. I'm actually new blogging, but having fun nonetheless. We work on the nickname. All in good time.

Posted by: jm199.5 | February 6, 2007 3:09 PM | Report abuse

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