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Lorenzo Alexander's foundation honored

Sure it's the offseason, but that doesn't mean we can't have a player of the month. An organization called Sporting Generosity, in fact, has named Redskins linebacker Lorenzo Alexander its player of the month for July.

The organization strives to identify players who make important off-field contributions and Alexander appears to be the third player to be given the monthly honor (Art Monk was the first when he was named May's top athlete).

This Sunday, Alexander's ACES Foundation is hosting Ride to Provide, a charity bike race in Reston, Va., intended to raise money for the organization and underprivileged people in parts of Africa. For more, check out the event's site.

"I am extremely humbled in you wanting to honor the work ACES does in the community," Alexander said in a news release. "I am only one man, part of a movement much bigger than me."

By Rick Maese  |  July 13, 2010; 4:52 PM ET
 
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Zo is true redskin, he would've fit right in with that 80's bunch. I hope the trans to LB/DE is smooth. HTTR

Posted by: popefrady | July 13, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

We get 4 post today....but no commentors....

No more crying for new posts in July....

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 13, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Lorenzo Alexander is becoming my favorite Redskin. Perhaps he's already there. What's not to love about the guy?

Posted by: drischord | July 13, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

And yet you can't get a doggone Lorenzo Alexander jersey on Redskins.com? Come on!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | July 13, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

If this were a post saying he did something wrong, there would be at least 100 comments regurgitating statements about today's athletes being all the same. Nobody cares about the guys that do things right.

Posted by: noluvdr | July 13, 2010 6:48 PM | Report abuse

noluvdr,

So true and so sad IMO. Lo has been and continues to be a fav Skins player for me. He gives me a player I'm not embarrased to tell my 9 and 7 year-old sons about.

Cheers to Lo, and HTTR!

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | July 13, 2010 6:57 PM | Report abuse

who is the D-lineman we signed that put a plastic bag over his sons head? Has he harmed any other children lately?

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | July 13, 2010 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Don’t know what all the fuss is about. Alexander doesn’t hold a candle to AH92 when it comes to off-field humanitarian work. To wit:

AGENT EXPLAINS HAYNESWORTH’S ABSENCE

ASHBURN, VA -- Saying there are “more important things than football,” Chad Speck, agent for Washington Redskins defensive lineman Albert Haynesworth said his client -- the highest paid defensive lineman in NFL history -- wants to “do something” for all of the “little people” who helped him become the man he is today.

So shortly after taking a $21 million roster bonus, the heart of the team’s new 3-4 defense decided to step away from football and help people in the Gulf of Mexico cap and clean up a massive spill from a BP oil rig.

Using his own boat, the Terminator, Haynesworth has been shuttling oil riggers to and from two new wellheads being drilled into the seafloor to cap the well.

“Great athlete-humanitarians such as Albert know that much is expected from those who are given so much,” said Speck. Haynesworth reportedly admires other great humanitarian athletes like Roberto Clemente, the baseball legend killed while delivering humanitarian supplies to Nicaragua; and tennis star Arthur Ashe, who campaigned against apartheid in South Africa and for better healthcare in urban America.

Speck said, “In each case, here is a man who uses his position as a sports star to do something greater than playing sports – and benefit all mankind.”

Haynesworth reportedly even asked Washington Redskins owner Dan Snyder to trade him to New Orleans so that he could be closer to the Gulf recovery effort.
But even if trade talks fail, Haynesworth says he will remain a great player and a fine humanitarian too -- and to prove the point, he recently made an unsolicited $10,000 contribution to NFL charities.

Additionally, in recent years, Albert has been the principal sponsor and benefactor of Haynesworth House, a shelter for abused wives and abandoned children. He also adopted a new cause this year: G-Notes for G-Strings, a non-profit organization dedicated to working with unwed mothers and victims of sexual exploitation.

And that doesn't even begin to count his untiring support for numerous other legal causes and issues -- including the case of a man who required a hip replacement operation after he was nearly killed by a speeding driver clocked going at 105 miles per hour on an icy highway, and despite some prior convictions for wreckless driving.

Or the case of a man who defaulted on a $2.6 million bank loan shortly after he signed a $100 million contract with the Washington Redskins.

Or the case of a man currently under investigation for potential fraud and other illegal activity in several questionable real estate transactions.

For all of these activities and more, Haynesworth is the Washington Redskins nominee for the Walter Payton NFL Man of the Year award, which recognizes a off-the-field community service as well as playing excellence.

Posted by: Vic1 | July 13, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Haynesworth is the Washington Redskins nominee for the Walter Payton NFL Man of the Year award, which recognizes a off-the-field community service

I hope he only has "off the field" news this year. F U AH!

Posted by: 1965skinsfan | July 13, 2010 7:10 PM | Report abuse

And yet you can't get a doggone Lorenzo Alexander jersey on Redskins.com? Come on!

Posted by: NateinthePDX | July 13, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Damn, you're right. Can't find it anywhere. BOOOOO!

Posted by: RomoLongballs | July 13, 2010 7:22 PM | Report abuse


Кэптиан Овечкин

Posted by: hessone | July 13, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

And yet you can't get a doggone Lorenzo Alexander jersey on Redskins.com? Come on!

Posted by: NateinthePDX

You know that you gan get custom jerseys with ANY number and name, Right?
Try going to NFL.com. They have the customizable jerseys there.

Posted by: kaasmaster | July 13, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

A recent post by some dude who was yapping about the kegerator at his beach house started me to thinking about the wonders of modern technology. Consider the ator technologies - for instance the aforementioned kegerator and Twendy's baconator. These two ator technologies make it simple and easy to clog your arteries and jam up your liver all in the comfort and convenience of your home. As one looks back on the 20th century one is continually amazed and in awe of the three most important inventions of that time period - the Beat-off Machine (early in the century), the transistor (mid century) and ED drugs (end of century). Damn! What will Science think of next?

Posted by: CupOMud | July 13, 2010 8:46 PM | Report abuse

There once was a lass from Thornhill.
Who rode dynamite sticks for a thrill,
Her vagina was found in coastal Carolina,
And bits of her tits in Bazil.

Posted by: CupOMud | July 13, 2010 8:59 PM | Report abuse

You may only be one man Alexander, but you're the One Man Gang and that's more than most.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 13, 2010 9:11 PM | Report abuse

scottcampbell

"You may only be one man Alexander, but you're the One Man Gang and that's more than most."

True.

It's time to unleash the guy and let him play.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 13, 2010 9:22 PM | Report abuse

My condolences to the Steinbrenner family and I know it's usually not acceptable to speak ill about the dead...

But..

He was a despicable human being who was universally vilified by fans, players, & the media. He gets credit for owning a team that won 7 World Series thanks to him allowing GMs like Gene Michaels and Brian Cashman to do their jobs with an UNLIMITED payroll.

He was a convicted felon who received a life-time ban in 1990 only to be reinstated 3 years later by the spineless Buddy Selig. The best thing I can say about him was his Seinfeld caricature was comedy gold.

I just wish they could bury him with Peter Angleos.

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 13, 2010 9:42 PM | Report abuse

He was a convicted felon who received a life-time ban in 1990 only to be reinstated 3 years later by the spineless Buddy Selig. The best thing I can say about him was his Seinfeld caricature was comedy gold.

I just wish they could bury him with Peter Angleos.


Posted by: Diesel44 | July 13, 2010 9:42 PM |

I'm not sure how to respond to the convicted felon remark.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 13, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sure how to respond to the convicted felon remark.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 13, 2010 9:47 PM

Irony here is that convicted felons can't vote and he pleaded guilty to making illegal contributions to Nixon's re-election campaign and a felony charge of obstruction of justice.

No offense to you scamp. People make mistakes, they learn/grow and become better people. Big Stein did none of the above.

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 13, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

I heard (yeah, on NPR) that Big Stein hired a scuzball PI to dig up dirt on Dave Winfield? WTF!

Apparently we've only elected Dutch and Spanish players to the MLB All Star teams. Okay that'll be my last soccer reference for a while.

Posted by: SMACK1 | July 13, 2010 10:01 PM | Report abuse

s1-

Dave Winfield controversy

After the 1980 season, Steinbrenner made headlines by signing Dave Winfield to a 10-year, $23 million contract, making Winfield baseball's highest-paid player. In 1985, Steinbrenner derided Winfield's poor performance in a key September series against the Toronto Blue Jays:

Where is Reggie Jackson? We need a Mr. October or a Mr. September. Winfield is Mr. May. My big guys are not coming through. The guys who are supposed to carry the team are not carrying the team. They aren't producing. If I don't get big performances out of Winfield, Griffey and Baylor, we can't win. —Steinbrenner to New York Times sportswriter Murray Chass.

This criticism eventually became somewhat of an anachronism, as many believed Steinbrenner made the statement following the 1981 World Series. Part of that comment later led to Ken Griffey Jr. to list the Yankees as one team he would never play for.

On July 30, 1990, Commissioner Fay Vincent banned Steinbrenner from baseball for life after he paid Howie Spira, a small-time gambler, $40,000 for "dirt" after Winfield sued him for failing to pay his foundation the $300,000[16] guaranteed in his contract. Winfield later entered the Hall of Fame as a San Diego Padre.

Spineless, windbag, puppet Buddy Selig reinstated him 3 years into his life-long suspension.

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 13, 2010 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Irony here is that convicted felons can't vote and he pleaded guilty to making illegal contributions to Nixon's re-election campaign and a felony charge of obstruction of justice.

No offense to you scamp. People make mistakes, they learn/grow and become better people. Big Stein did none of the above.

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 13, 2010 9:53 PM |

It is a common misconception that convicted felons can't vote. That law is governed by states and almost all of them can vote...just not while locked up.

http://felonvoting.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=286

Personally, I feel that if one has to pay taxes, they should be allowed to vote. Remember that the American Revolution was partly fought because colonists believed that "no taxation without representation" should be law.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 13, 2010 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the B/G D44. It all seems kind of quaint after all the PED nonsense of the last decades.

If these are the best baseball players, we need better players. That pitcher just launched a jabulani into the cheap seats.

Okay that'll be my last soccer comment for a while. Another new tag line.

Posted by: SMACK1 | July 13, 2010 10:19 PM | Report abuse

No offense to you scamp. People make mistakes, they learn/grow and become better people. Big Stein did none of the above.

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 13, 2010 9:53 PM

And oh by the way, none taken. I did it, I got what I deserved, I didn't do it again.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 13, 2010 10:20 PM | Report abuse

scamp- That was the impression I was under, I stand corrected and agree with you about paying taxes and the privilege of voting.

s1- Baseball is a joke. Adam Dunn is leading the NL at the break with 22 HRs. In 1998, Sammy Sosa hit 20 HRs in JUNE. Everybody hit the juice except Maddox, Glavine, Jeter, and Griffey. F Bud Selig.

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 13, 2010 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Selig sounds like the anti-Goodell. Probably worth trying to find some middle ground there in the commissioner spectrum..

Posted by: SMACK1 | July 13, 2010 10:41 PM | Report abuse

diesel44

"Baseball is a joke. Adam Dunn is leading the NL at the break with 22 HRs. In 1998, Sammy Sosa hit 20 HRs in JUNE. Everybody hit the juice..."

We baseball fans point out the hypocrisy of pro football and PEDS, where, I guess, no one questions the plethora of 6'8" 340 men who, I guess, aren't on some kind of juice.

You get in more trouble in pro football for acting out of control in a strip club or driving drunk during the off season when there's no football than taking PEDS.

That's what's the joke.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 13, 2010 10:43 PM | Report abuse

diesel44

"The best thing I can say about him (Steinbrenner) was his Seinfeld caricature was comedy gold."

I guess you know of some other sports team owner who bought a team for 10 million and turned it into a billion dollar, championship winning franchise over 40 years.

You can dislike a guy, but knock his hustle.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 13, 2010 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Moe- I got a full ride for baseball at a D1 school, I'm as big a baseball fan as you will find. Granted I'm an O's fan but PEDs aren't exclusive to any sport. They were just ignored by baseball.

You could go down to your local softball field and find someone juicing so that he can hit a ball pitched underhanded over a 300 ft fence.

"If you ain't cheatin then you ain't tryin"

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 13, 2010 10:54 PM | Report abuse

"Selig sounds like the anti-Goodell. Probably worth trying to find some middle ground there in the commissioner spectrum."

The issue with Roger Goodell that no one ever brings up, is that he essentially is nothing but a Good Cop.

Footballers are mentioned in conjunction with his name as a result of how they live, no from what they do on the field.

I like how Bud Selig and Dave Stern sit back and let their leagues police themselves.

You'd think owners would want to have a say about punishing a players' misbehavior, but that seems to be Roger's singular job.

They might as well put him in a police uniform and name him Officer Hoppy after the lame cop from "Sanford and Son."

Pro football protects its image under his leadership.

But you wonder if it'll ever attempt to grow again the way it did under P Rozelle and P Tagliabue.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 13, 2010 11:00 PM | Report abuse

"If you ain't cheatin then you ain't tryin"

Funny line.

My homeboy says his marriage fell apart because he followed that philosophy a bit too literally.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 13, 2010 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Moe-

8.6 mil into 1.2 bil (wiki is wrong).

Yes Network

Horseracing success

Flagship team for MLB

Great Businessman, terrible human being..

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 13, 2010 11:05 PM | Report abuse

Moe-

Goodell's M.O. is about protecting the shield at any and all costs. The NFL sells its self.

MLB and NBA are all about the bottom-line as they have been lapped and clearly needed the "help" in order to stay relevant.

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 13, 2010 11:10 PM | Report abuse

The image of the game doesn't matter much if there is no game. Goodell seems like he's too busy creating a secondary criminal justice system to realize, er, there might not be any football next year.
Maybe work on that, and your terrible rule changes, and your hideous refereeing.

If the lockout happens, he's a worse human being than The Kaiser.

Posted by: SMACK1 | July 13, 2010 11:20 PM | Report abuse

The image of the game doesn't matter much if there is no game. Goodell seems like he's too busy creating a secondary criminal justice system to realize, er, there might not be any football next year.
Maybe work on that, and your terrible rule changes, and your hideous refereeing.

If the lockout happens, he's a worse human being than The Kaiser.

Posted by: SMACK1 | July 13, 2010 11:20 PM |

Just curious but what do you think Goodell can do about the CBA stuff? I'm pretty sure that's mainly between the players union and the owners.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 13, 2010 11:36 PM | Report abuse

Arbitration? Diplomacy? I don't care what he has to do. If you're the commissioner and the game ceases to occur on your watch...epic fail.

Maybe he can fine and suspend everyone, will that help?

Posted by: SMACK1 | July 13, 2010 11:46 PM | Report abuse

Here is a brief recap from the past month:

Up first:

http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/06/09/nfl-union-spar-over-tv-money/

On 6/09/2010 @t 6:55 PM ET, Dan Graziano wrote:

It's been a public complaint of the NFLPA's since the start of the current collective bargaining mess: The union doesn't like that the NFL's new TV deals will pay off in 2011, even if no games are played. Union head DeMaurice Smith has cited this publicly, many times, as evidence that the owners are intending a lockout and would actually make money if they imposed one. The NFL has waved off the concerns by saying they have some kind of understanding with their broadcast partners that the money would be paid back later in the contracts if games get canceled for a labor dispute.

Well, now the union has taken action. In a move that its website boasts will be "sure to up the ante in the collective bargaining negotiations," the NFLPA on Wednesday filed a complaint with the special master in charge of overseeing disputes between the league and the union, seeking to prevent the NFL from pocketing $4 billion in guaranteed 2011 TV money until a new CBA ( collective bargaining agreement) is negotiated.

The NFL, predictably, sounds annoyed.


"The television contracts that the union attacked today were agreed to during the worst economy in our lifetimes," the league said in a statement posted on its nfllabor.com website. "Far from failing to maximize revenue, the contracts grew league revenue to fund higher player salaries and benefits. No wonder DeMaurice Smith said publicly this year, 'My hat's off to [commissioner] Roger Goodell. Television is locked up until 2014 to the tune of about $5 billion a year.' The union's meritless charges, including many inaccuracies, will be addressed in the proper forum, but they are simply a distraction and do nothing to get us any closer to a new CBA."

Continue on the link and watch the plot unfold...

Next:

Apparently the League is pushing for an expanded season and the players disagree.

http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/06/16/league-players-at-odds-over-expanded-nfl-season/

That can be set aside for the moment.

Because
http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/06/30/demaurice-smith-nfl-players-union-considering-six-year-cba-de/
@ precisely 4:15 PM ET on 30th day of June, Chris Burke said

" The specter of a March 2011 work stoppage continues to loom over the NFL as the 2010 season approaches, but there may finally be some light at the end of the tunnel.

At the league's annual Rookie Symposium, NFL Players' Association executive director DeMaurice Smith told FoxSports.com that the NFLPA and the league are trying to come together on a new collective bargaining agreement that would run through 2016.

"We're going to negotiate a six-year deal," Smith told FOXSports.com at the NFL's Rookie Symposium. "

We'll see.

Posted by: Vicc | July 13, 2010 11:56 PM | Report abuse

As recent as July 5 and with a modest deadline of 1:00pm, Journalist Dave Goldberg wrote and article titled 'Summer Lockout Could Be Only Thing to Save 2011 NFL Season'

Here is the link:

http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/07/05/summer-lockout-could-be-only-thing-to-save-2011-nfl-season/

" A year from now, NFL players may well be locked out by the owners.

It may not be such a bad thing. For the timing of a spring/summer lockout would both demonstrate to NFL players that the owners are serious about changing the league's financial setup and also allow the 2011 season to be played in its entirety.

That's the scenario that's been pushed privately for a while by senior league officials, who are acceding to what seems to be a consensus by many owners that barring a settlement in which the NFL Players Association gives in to their demands, there has to be a show of strength by the league.

"Don't worry, we'll get it done,'' says one executive involved with the talks. "We will, but when?'' asks another, envisioning an offseason without the Organized Team Activities (OTAs) that the players don't necessarily like much anyway. It also could mean no minicamps and a delay to the start of camp, but without the certainty of missing regular-season games.

DeMaurice Smith, the union's executive director, met last week with commissioner Roger Goodell during the symposium for rookies in Carlsbad, Calif. Smith then talked about what sounded like the first positive news since the league opted out of the existing contract in April 2008 -- that the sides are leaning toward a deal that will last six years.

That's minor "shape-of-the-table'' news, although it took years just to decide the shape of the tables during negotiations that presumably ended the Vietnam War [cue 'frak' sighting] but didn't. It's a long way from agreeing on the length of a deal to agreeing on one that allows the NFL to play the 2011 season and beyond while satisfying those owners worried about their profit margin and players worried about everything from money to safety to retirement. "

see link to continue the story...

Posted by: Vicc | July 14, 2010 12:01 AM | Report abuse

Arbitration? Diplomacy? I don't care what he has to do. If you're the commissioner and the game ceases to occur on your watch...epic fail.

Maybe he can fine and suspend everyone, will that help?

Posted by: SMACK1 | July 13, 2010 11:46 PM

Yea, I don't think you get it. You're going to fine and suspend the owner's? You think billionaire owners give a damn about some little BS fine that Goodell would attempt to impose. He probably doesn't even have that authority. I'm pretty sure diplomacy is all he's got which means he's not exactly Attila the Hun if there's a work stoppage. I'm pretty sure you're hurling your anger in the wrong direction on this one.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 14, 2010 12:08 AM | Report abuse

The fine and suspend everyone was pretty plainly a joke scamp! But Goodell is an abject failure of Obama-like levels.

Posted by: SMACK1 | July 14, 2010 12:14 AM | Report abuse

The least he could do is resign.

Posted by: SMACK1 | July 14, 2010 12:19 AM | Report abuse

The fine and suspend everyone was pretty plainly a joke scamp! But Goodell is an abject failure of Obama-like levels.

Posted by: SMACK1 | July 14, 2010 12:14 AM |

Got it. It's hard to tell when reading text. You know, that whole voice inflection thing. Some people up here would seriously suggest that so it wasn't so plain. I'm not defending Goodell because I think he's a non issue and don't have an opinion on him one way or another. Just playing a little devil's advocate.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 14, 2010 12:22 AM | Report abuse

Oh and careful what you say about the Messiah up here. Some of these folks are likely to show up at your door with torches and pitchforks.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 14, 2010 12:31 AM | Report abuse

Black Jesus, White Devil..

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 14, 2010 12:43 AM | Report abuse

This is a bigger loss than we realize.He was signed out of desperation and Dockery's lobbying,but he stepped up to the challenge and resurrected his career through sheer hard work and desire.He was a determined mature and talented man who had desire and determination to succeed and was doing just that.My heart goes out to him and hopes surgeons can work miracles and provide him with yet another opportunity which he richly deserves.Otherwise, God bless him and his family.He should be an inspiration to millions of obese people that it's possible to change.

Posted by: mark65 | July 14, 2010 12:48 AM | Report abuse

Black Jesus, White Devil..

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 14, 2010 12:43 AM |

Oh jeez...

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 14, 2010 12:48 AM | Report abuse


Black Jesus, White Devil..

Posted by: Diesel44

Jesus was a Galilean jew, so he looked more like Big Danny Snyder than anything else. Does that make you feel better or worse you black devil?

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | July 14, 2010 12:57 AM | Report abuse

"This is a bigger loss than we realize.He was signed out of desperation and Dockery's lobbying,but he stepped up to the challenge and resurrected his career through sheer hard work and desire.He was a determined mature and talented man who had desire and determination to succeed and was doing just that....."

Posted by: mark65 | July 14, 2010 12:48 AM

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And may I add that nothing is as big a loss as RI losing periculum.

I guess the report abuse button actually works.

Posted by: Vicc | July 14, 2010 12:58 AM | Report abuse

Нацысцкіх габрэй пеніс выбуху.

Posted by: monkeymayonaise | July 14, 2010 12:59 AM | Report abuse

And may I add that nothing is as big a loss as RI losing periculum.

I guess the report abuse button actually works.

Posted by: Vicc | July 14, 2010 12:58 AM |

That would be nice but he still posts here. He posts as skinshaveaGM. He's one of those tools that switches screen names to try to be anonymous again but is so stupid that he says the exact same things as before so is easily recognizable. Do you know anyone else that would call me scrambly brains or tell epople to go paint their bald spot?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 14, 2010 1:11 AM | Report abuse

July is an amazing month on RI.

Posted by: SMACK1 | July 14, 2010 1:22 AM | Report abuse

Love sees no color, especially if you're color blind.

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 14, 2010 1:38 AM | Report abuse

It could be worse, Mel Gibson could be here. Okay I might go on that one. Might.

Posted by: SMACK1 | July 14, 2010 1:43 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: brownwood26 | July 14, 2010 6:19 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 14, 2010 6:27 AM | Report abuse

Alex Marvez calling us the big winners of the NFL offseason (sound familiar?):

"The team’s most competent head coach-general manager pairing since the early 1990s has made strides to help the Skins return to those glory days. Donovan McNabb should thrive in Mike Shanahan’s offense, especially with the bookend tackles - 2010 first-round pick Trent Williams and two-time Pro Bowl selection Jammal Brown - added by Bruce Allen to help protect Washington’s new starting quarterback.

Now, do the Redskins have the right personnel to quickly thrive in Jim Haslett’s 3-4 defense? Will the Albert Haynesworth situation get even more toxic? And can the Redskins get production out of their suspect running backs and wide receivers? Although there’s too much uncertainty to predict a Redskins playoff berth, this franchise is definitely back on track."

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/NFL-offseason-winners-and-losers

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 14, 2010 6:37 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 14, 2010 6:49 AM | Report abuse


Now that's a great photo. It looks like Tiger would rather be doing anything besides being photographed with Daly and Watson, two of his favorite buddies. LMAO

http://www.weiunderpar.com/post/somebody-get-john-daly-a-beer

Posted by: hessone | July 14, 2010 7:36 AM | Report abuse


About V Jackson and his 10 game suspension.

The suspension could be moot. Jackson has refused to sign his tender as a restricted free agent and could sit out the first 10 games of the season.

It could be 13 games before this moron cathches his first pass this coming season. I think the Redskins should pass on aquiring this type of player anyways. We have enough on our plate with Stompworth and his world.
If we do, than I'd question whether $nyder has stepped backed, allowing Allen and Shanahan to make the football decisions. Why would Shanahan bring in trouble when he's trying to clean up the locker room and build character?

Posted by: hessone | July 14, 2010 7:57 AM | Report abuse

hess, once again you're comparing apples and oranges here...one guy (AH) has his money and doesn't wanna play. The other guy (VJ) wants his money before he shows up to play. Very different scenarios.

And where are you getting this 10 game suspension stuff? VJ's suspension is 3 games...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 14, 2010 8:09 AM | Report abuse

"MLB and NBA are all about the bottom-line as they have been lapped and clearly needed the "help" in order to stay relevant."

I'd say the 'decline' of MLB and the NBA is one of the most interesting subjects if folks want that kind of conversation.

Football succeeds as it's a sport designed for television, and if anything, we watch more of it due to the explosion of cable/satillite, couch-potato culture.

The same folks who find baseball slow must not be bored with the endless 'under official reviews,' multiple replays from all angles for 1 play, and constant tv time outs for beer commercials that litter pro football broadcasts.

The folks who complain about the NBA's 'thugged' tattooed players haven't noticed that pro footballers tend to be the dudes generating the most outlandish off field behavior.

And the better high school athletes gravitate to football even though baseball/basketball pay better, let the player leave the game healthy, and don't have the money-grubbin' NCAA as a hoop to jump through as much.

The queer racial sports dynamic for boys today is that black boys play football, hispanic boys play soccer, and white boys learn to pitch.

We no longer have Jim Thorpe/Bruce Jenner types who do it all as the tug of money tells a kid to be a one sport player in a multi-sport world.

And despite the cultural issues, football is king as we'll watch it over and over and over again without fail.

And talkng about why is always good conversation.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 14, 2010 8:11 AM | Report abuse

hess, the 10 games you speak of are games that VJ could CHOOSE to sit out because of his contract situation, and still get credit if he came back on the 11th, as far as free agency is concerned.

moe, pigs flying where you are, cuz rumor has it that the NL won the All star game....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 14, 2010 8:14 AM | Report abuse


@brownwood26

You're trying to pick me apart brown. If you read my post: It could be 13 games - 10 sitting out and 3 suspended. Let's cut the fat here. This guy doesn't fit the Shanahan plan, IMO.

BeantownGreg1

Right on bean, thanks.

First, a note on his three-game suspension -- confirmed Tuesday by the Chargers. It will be considered served after Week 3, regardless of whether Jackson has signed his tender. As an unsigned free agent, the suspension does not toll, or roll over (if Jackson were a signed player holding out, then the suspension would toll).

The plot thickens if the Chargers play hardball with this guy.

According to the league office, "the CBA may impose additional restrictions depending on the date that the player ultimately signs and reports to his club."

In Jackson's case, those "additional restrictions" could loom large, as the Chargers could still place him on a "roster exempt" list for three games after he signs under certain circumstances, keeping him without pay and without earning any service time toward an accrued season in that span. A player must be on a team's active, inactive, IR or PUP list for at least six regular-season games to earn an accrued season toward free agency, which is why many surmised Jackson would sign his $583,000 tender in Week 10.

By week 11 we should have our roster set. With the trading deadline Oct. 31, I don't see him in a Redskins uniform.

Posted by: hessone | July 14, 2010 8:35 AM | Report abuse

14 days until the players report. I'm excited to see how quickly the team picks up the new schemes. I think their play will be much improved even if their record may not be.

Posted by: TWISI | July 14, 2010 8:38 AM | Report abuse

twisi

"...I think their play will be much improved even if their record may not be."


I'd say 9-7 is doable, even when you remember our AFC South schedule (minus Jackie-ville), and then throw in the NFC North likes of Minn. and Green Bay.

Chicago will be much improved, but the rams and bucs should be wins.

The best measure will be the 1st half of the jets preseason game.

That's when we'll see just what kind of team has been put together.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 14, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Awww sookie...from PFT:


Albert Haynesworth's trainer says he's lost 32 pounds
Posted by Mike Florio on July 14, 2010 8:43 AM ET
The Redskins have made an ill-advised (so says the 10 worst moves of the offseason in the PFT Season Preview magazine) switch from a 4-3 defense to a 3-4 front, and coach Mike Shanahan wants dominant-when-he-wants-to-be tackle Albert Haynesworth to take over the nose position in the new attack.

Haynesworth, as you may have heard, ain't interested.

After skipping all of the offseason program but for the first day, Haynesworth has said he'll be showing up for training camp, if only to avoid giving the team ammunition for coming after more than $20 million he has received in bonus money. And since a team's nose tackle is usually an athletic guy who also happens to be big and fat, Haynesworth apparently has tried to make himself less attractive to the nose position by losing weight.

His trainer, Tripp Smith, tells Fredicksburg.com that Haynesworth has lost 32 pounds since April.

Listed at 350 by the team, he weighed 362 in April. He's now down to 330.

"I think he's going to open some eyes when he gets to camp," Smith said.

"Albert, he's the type of person that doesn't want to disappoint anybody, but he's very business-minded," Smith added. "I think it has motivated him quite a bit, just seeing what his teammates are saying about him and seeing what everybody in the press is saying about him."

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Haynesworth is being criticized for a situation he created. So while he may want to use the natural fallout from his selfish actions to fuel to motivate himself to prove that we're all wrong for pointing out that he's selfish, we doubt that it'll work. Haynesworth is motivated by one thing -- money. And unless and until he's in a position where his performance directly will lead to more of it, he'll likely be just a guy.

Meanwhile, it sounds like he's preparing for another season in the 4-3, and not for his first year in the 3-4, which mainly requires defensive linemen to tie up blockers and prevent them from moving out to the next level, which allows the linebackers to get to the ball.

"If he can have quicker and more powerful hands than the offensive lineman, then he's going to stand a much better chance of shedding blocks, throwing guys off and getting a quicker punch to them," Smith said.

So, basically, it sounds like Haynesworth plan involves becoming the best possible 4-3 defensive tackle, in the hopes of persuading the team to switch back from the 3-4 or to trade him to a team that uses his preferred defense.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 14, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse

bean

"...pigs flying where you are, cuz rumor has it that the NL won the All star game..."


Last night's All Star game was very watchable.

The NL has got some dudes who can pitch.

Johnson, Jimenez, Carpenter: and they left out about four guys who are just as good.

But I don't think the NL pennant winner will win the series, though.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 14, 2010 8:58 AM | Report abuse


@brownwood26

Maybe AH is trying to persuade the Redskins coaching staff into being a third and fourth down DE. That way he can take off first and second down, and try to get the glory of sacking the QB.

Posted by: hessone | July 14, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Last night's All Star game was very watchable.

as long as you weren't a kid, and could stay up past 10pm.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 14, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Yay, Big Al's shaping up to be our starting OLB in the 3-4!

http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2010/072010/07142010/561567/index_html?page=1

Smith wouldn't comment on Haynesworth's decision to skip the mandatory minicamp, but he believes that Haynesworth is determined to excel on the football field this season.

"Albert, he's the type of person that doesn't want to disappoint anybody, but he's very business-minded. I think it has motivated him quite a bit, just seeing what his teammates are saying about him and seeing what everybody in the press is saying about him."

Haynesworth declined to comment for this story, sticking to his ongoing decision not to give interviews. A Redskins team spokesman also declined to comment.

Smith detailed the training program that he has put Haynesworth through for the last 14 weeks and plans to continue through July 27.

Smith, the 28-year-old son of Competitive Edge Sports founder Chip Smith, has lived upstairs in Haynesworth's home in Tennessee since the start of April. For more than the last three months, they have trained together four days a week for several hours a day.

Posted by: Kenbeatrizz | July 14, 2010 9:04 AM | Report abuse

So, basically, it sounds like Haynesworth plan involves becoming the best possible 4-3 defensive tackle, in the hopes of persuading the team to switch back from the 3-4 or to trade him to a team that uses his preferred defense.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 14, 2010 8:55 AM

First of all, I hope it's true that AH has lost weight and has some self motivation to have a monster year. It bodes well for the Skins if AH is here or not. Second, a motivated AH is a presence I liked to have playing for the Skins, if all parties can act like men and put their differences aside. If it takes for the Skins to commit to playing a hybrid defense during games to have AH commit to playing NT I say bring it on. If they can't agree, I say showcase that pony during the preseason and let's drive up the asking price.

Posted by: TWISI | July 14, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

brownwood

"...it sounds like Haynesworth plan involves becoming the best possible 4-3 defensive tackle, in the hopes of persuading the team to switch back from the 3-4 or to trade him to a team that uses his preferred defense."


The team can't 'switch back' to the 4-3 next month as the personnel, scheme, and OTAs were all designed to put the 3-4/4-3 look into place.

But if AH does show up in shape--as you report he might--I bet he'll come to find out that he will move along the line and play end, nose, and tackle: which is exactly what he wants.

He's been complaining about a scheme who's details he's yet to sit in on to learn what they are.

'3-4 Hybrid' means no player really has a fixed position.

We should hope this report is accurate and that AH is determined to prove us all wrong.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 14, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

This part of the PFT post stood out for me:

"...since a team's nose tackle is usually an athletic guy who also happens to be big and fat, Haynesworth apparently has tried to make himself less attractive to the nose position by losing weight."

What if all this "nose tackle" talk was Shanahan trying to get AH to do exactly what he's reportedly done...lean down and get in the best shape of his life? What if Shanahan pressed all the right buttons and makes AH a 3-4 DE every bit as dominant as Richard Seymour was with the Pats?

I doubt he actually planned this whole thing, but if he did, he's my vote for Coach of the Year...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 14, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

So does Zo still play special teams with the added D snaps it appears as if he will be taking? dude has always been a beast on ST or really anywhere we have stuck him.

Posted by: Stu27 | July 14, 2010 9:16 AM | Report abuse

So does Zo still play special teams with the added D snaps it appears as if he will be taking? dude has always been a beast on ST or really anywhere we have stuck him.

Posted by: Stu27 | July 14, 2010 9:16 AM

Lorenzo said he'll play all the ST units he's done in the past.

Posted by: TWISI | July 14, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Maybe AH is trying to persuade the Redskins coaching staff into being a third and fourth down DE. That way he can take off first and second down, and try to get the glory of sacking the QB.

Posted by: hessone | July 14, 2010 9:03 AM


That doesn't even make sense...first of all, he IS going to play DE. He's supposed to man the RDE spot in the 3-4. Second, he'll get plenty of opportunity to rush the passer since the nickle and dime packages still feature a 4-man front...which will put AH back at his beloved RDT spot.

So it's not AH's job to persuade the coaching staff into anything...it's his job to show the f*ck up and learn how they plan to use him. I guarantee if he showed up and did what was asked of him, he'd easily best the 4 sacks he got last year.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 14, 2010 9:21 AM | Report abuse

brownwood, et al

If you check out the ravens roster, you'll see that the average height and weight of their nose tackles is, roughly, 6' 5" 350 pounds.

Albert Hayneswroth can play the nose at 6'6" 362, trust me.

And only Haloti Ngata (6' 4", 345 lbs.)would be better than him at it.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 14, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Ooops, I meant play NT at 340 pounds, not 362.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 14, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Moe, did you read the PFT post? It says he's down to 330.

Either way, you're right...unless AH gets under 300 lbs, he still could conceivably play the NT spot. I just don't think it's in the plans to play him there since Kemo is the best guy on the team to play that role.

He needs to try that RDE spot...if he doesn't like it, the problem is with him. It's damn near the same thing as playing RDT in a 4-3...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 14, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Thanks twisi, im interested in see the special teams this year. I really think they have been mediocre at best for a long time now with few exceptions, hunter the punter was good but only briefly. And our kick and punt return have been very uninspiring.
With a more authoritative coaching staff in place I hope the special teams can become a more polished unit. It got downright silly the last couple years.

Posted by: Stu27 | July 14, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

I'm so excited that training camp and preseason are almost here. Next thing you know Orakpo and Carter will be gang raping Tony Homo, while Donovan is lofting pretty spirals to DT and SM.

Hopefully CP will be scampering for 100+yards.

It's almost here my brothers.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 14, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

brownwood

"He needs to try that RDE spot...if he doesn't like it, the problem is with him."


I totally agree with this.

AH playing right end, Golston/Kemo at nose and Carter at left end is a very good 3-4 d-line.

That's (from the right) Orakpo, Fletcher, Draft, and McIntosh playing all linebacker.

I still hope Haslett uses '46 Bear' fronts with Golston, AH, and Kemo filling guard/center gaps and rushing upfield to blow up running plays.

In any event, let's hope the guy shows up ready play.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 14, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Moe, I hope by Carter you actually meant Daniels or Carriker. Something about a 255 pound LDE in a 3-4 makes my skin crawl...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 14, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Either way, you're right...unless AH gets under 300 lbs, he still could conceivably play the NT spot. I just don't think it's in the plans to play him there since Kemo is the best guy on the team to play that role.

He needs to try that RDE spot...if he doesn't like it, the problem is with him. It's damn near the same thing as playing RDT in a 4-3...

Posted by: brownwood26

Agreed. Haynesworth is a DE in the 3-4. The occupying blockers mentality of both DE spots in the 3-4 is bunk. Depending on the type of 3-4 you are running one of the DEs is definitely supposed to get after the QB. In NWE it was Seymour. In Bal it was Pryce. If that player is disruptive it makes the defense that much more effective. If they have all 3 guys occupy blockers they rely on all of the pressure to come from the OLB spots. Both can be effective. The defense is much better with an effective motivated Fat Al at one of the DE spots.

Posted by: srobert1117 | July 14, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

brown

Yeah, duuuh, Daniels/Carriker as RDE, not Carter.

In any event, it should be obvious that we suddenly have a lot of defensive linemen who can play a variety of spots.

And that's a good thing.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 14, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

I think we will have a very good defense this year, VERY GOOD.

Offense I hope is somewhere in the top 15, I would be pleased with that.

I think the coaching change alone, paired with a great QB will move the offense into the top 15.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 14, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Moe, Some major cogs on that line Kemo, Carricker, Daniels... we have a bunch of guys coming off serious injuries that have missed most of if not all of the last couple season. We play dallas in eight weeks and there is still a lot to figure out as far as the line goes, AH aside.

Posted by: Stu27 | July 14, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Dallas isn't all they are cracked up to be. Well, at least what ESPN says they will be.

I want them to crash and burn. They win 1 playoff game in what 13-14 years, get crushed by Minnesota, suddenly they are SB favorites.

MAKES ME WANNA PUKE!!!

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 14, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

stu27

"We play dallas in eight weeks and there is still a lot to figure out as far as the line goes, AH aside."

Well, we know the 'boys will put a very good offense on the field.

They got three good backs and three good ball catchers.

So, the issue is not about how our D matches up against their O, but if our O can score against their D.

The lack of a scoring offense has been a redksin bug-a-boo for over a decade.

The 'boys' offense will put a 40 burger up on the board if things go bad for us.

But can our offense comeback and put up 42--something it hasn't shown the ability to do in years?

We face in Houston, Indy, and Minn teams that can run and score.

So, what we have to 'sort out' is our offense's ten year inability to support fine defense.

Our D will be fine.

It's our O that vexes me.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 14, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Re: Albert Haynesworth's trainer says he's lost 32 pounds

Older readers might be excused for thinking this sounds a bit like Kato Kaelin defending OJ... what with him being a live in house guest... working in a dubious job description... giving unqualified support for his employer. All we need now is a dead blonde in the driveway... and a pair of gloves that don't fit.

Regardless, it really don't make near as much difference what Fat ALbert weighs -- the important thing is whether he is prepared to accept his assignments, participate in the scheme and do what the coaching staff expects him to do. And there's nothing here to indicates that he's ready for any of that.

It's also laughable to read that Albert is "business minded," when the guy is drowning in lawsuits for inappropriate personal conduct and business dealings -- or that this narcistic megalomaniac gives even a half a damn about what teammates and others say about him.

Posted by: Vic1 | July 14, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Thanks twisi, im interested in see the special teams this year. I really think they have been mediocre at best for a long time now with few exceptions, hunter the punter was good but only briefly. And our kick and punt return have been very uninspiring.
With a more authoritative coaching staff in place I hope the special teams can become a more polished unit. It got downright silly the last couple years.

Posted by: Stu27 | July 14, 2010 9:37 AM
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Stu, the special teams coach didn't change with the change of regime. Danny Smith will still be there. In my crystal ball I see more solid coverage units and more mediocre punt returns - regardless of who is back there.

BTW, my all-time favorite special teams play was Brian Mitchell catching a punt and then throwing a lateral to Desmond Howard on the other side of the field. Howard ran the ball back for a TD practically unevaded. It was in 1992 against the Falcons and probably the only play I can ever remember Desmond Howard making in a Redskins uniform.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | July 14, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2010/072010/07142010/561567/index_html?page=1

"
Smith detailed the training program that he has put Haynesworth through for the last 14 weeks and plans to continue through July 27.

Smith, the 28-year-old son of Competitive Edge Sports founder Chip Smith, has lived upstairs in Haynesworth's home in Tennessee since the start of April. For more than the last three months, they have trained together four days a week for several hours a day.

When Haynesworth has visited other cities, such as Miami, Smith has accompanied him. Haynesworth and Smith have been apart for only 2 weeks since April, but Haynesworth maintained his routine even then, Smith said.

"He told me, 'I want to go from April all the way through to July, nonstop, and be ready,'" Smith said. "He kind of set the tone for himself to begin with because I think he knew he had a lot of expectations, not only from teammates but from media and the [new] coaches. I don't think he wanted to disappoint anybody as far as his [physical] preparation is concerned."

Haynesworth's training program is similar to the one he used the past two years, with two notable exceptions.

He wants to weigh less than in past years, Smith said, so there has been more cardiovascular work in addition to the position-specific, explosive weight-lifting exercises to which he's accustomed. Haynesworth weighed 362 pounds on April 5 and checked in yesterday afternoon at 330, Smith said. Haynesworth was listed at 350 in the Redskins' 2009 media guide.

Smith also added boxing training to Haynesworth's routine for the first time. Two days a week for 45 minutes, Haynesworth hits a heavy bag or focus mitts.
"

I like....

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 14, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Donovan being here will help us score points.

I just have a very good feeling about this year.

DT11 steps out, CP26 has another great year in him, Fred Davis becomes elite and Donovan controls the offense.

The D will be just fine.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 14, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Shannehan and Dmac make our O incomparable to past offenses and should be much better. I am worried about all three facets of this team however.

Posted by: Stu27 | July 14, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Good post 4th... I don't like AH92 right now, but if he comes in week 1 like Reggie White; well my mind will change pretty quickly.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 14, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Shannehan and Dmac make our O incomparable to past offenses and should be much better. I am worried about all three facets of this team however.

Posted by: Stu27 | July 14, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Stu- don't blow my buzz

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 14, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Ok wut the heck happened that now we're unlimited optimism machines??

They're facing momentous change here on both sides of the ball. Even with a team made up of NFL leaders you'd have to expect the learning curve to have an effect.

While the talent of the D may be "fine", there's no way you can expect them to just gel & kick SJK.

Remember how many times the D cracked last year when it counted? The secondary has question marks.

I think I'm w/ Stu on this one. Nice glasses iH8, are those pink? oh... rose...

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 14, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Remember how many times the D cracked last year when it counted? The secondary has question marks.

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 14, 2010 10:47 AM


Right...plus massive change to the front 7 equals a mediocre season on defense, IMO. I think we'll be better at forcing turnovers though (which is the point of the switch to the 3-4). Think the Packers defense last year.

The offense will be much improved, but the setback on D and the tough schedule is what will keep this team around the .500 mark, IMO.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 14, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

""Smith said. "He kind of set the tone for himself to begin with because I think he knew he had a lot of expectations, not only from teammates but from media and the [new] coaches. I don't think he wanted to disappoint anybody as far as his [physical] preparation is concerned."""

The quote from Smith got cut off. Here's the rest of it:

"I don't think he wanted to disappoint anybody as far as his [physical] preparation is concerned. However, as far as his mental preparation and his attitude, he was prepared from the very beginning to be the biggest douchiest disappointment that the NFL has ever seen in a player."

Posted by: p1funk | July 14, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Remember how many times the D cracked last year when it counted? The secondary has question marks.

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 14, 2010 10:47 AM


The problem with the secondary is not "question marks".

The problem with the secondary is "Carlos Rogers" and "Laron Landry" in coverage.

Posted by: p1funk | July 14, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Re: Dline

Interstingly enough, I believe the key to our front "3" is not AH, but Kemo. If Keamotau is healthy and playing at full-speed, then there is our starting NT. Everyone else slots into position and much of potential drama with AH can be avoided - I hope.

However, if Kemo is not ready to go, then we enter the season playing a 3-4 without a real NT. That's problematic, not just for the AH-Skins relationship, but for the whole defense.

Posted by: p1funk | July 14, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

And D Halls atrocious tackling ability...

Posted by: Stu27 | July 14, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

That's decent conjecture, funky.

It coulda been scheme related too, though. We all like LaRon when he first got here.

It'll be interesting to see if they get it under Haslett

Posted by: DikShuttle | July 14, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

beeps

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 14, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

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