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Good morning....Jason La Canfora will have a game-within-the-game piece for you shortly...Meanwhile, tonight's game poses some intriguing possibilities apart from fubball for the final night of the Republican Convention. What if, for example, the game goes to overtime? Or quadruple overtime? Thankfully, one girl won't be making an appearance. She's, what, 50 now?

And by now you've no doubt checked out a story on Vinny Cerrato.

In case you missed it, Brandon Lloyd is making sweet, sweet music...sort of.

By Cindy Boren  |  September 4, 2008; 7:10 AM ET
 
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first?

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 4, 2008 7:27 AM | Report abuse

May my success in being first today translate to the Skins being first in the standings after tonight's game!

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 4, 2008 7:28 AM | Report abuse

My view is that if Obama had chosen Palin for VP and McCain had chosen Biden, Obama would be unbeatable. The woman is an asset with voters, not a liability. (Of course, I get most of my political views from the Wall Street Journal so I don't share the angst of the Washington media.)

Posted by: talent evaluator | September 4, 2008 7:15 AM

Too bad for Obama Clintons people demanded no woman VP

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 4, 2008 7:30 AM | Report abuse

TE,

I agree that a women could help but women are not stupid you still need some experience which she has none. Women are not going to vote for you just because you are a women.

Just like African Americans will not vote for Obama just because he is African American.

And on that note lets talk some Skins.

Posted by: kmdp4 | September 4, 2008 7:31 AM | Report abuse

I agree that a women could help but women are not stupid you still need some experience which she has none. Women are not going to vote for you just because you are a women.

Just like African Americans will not vote for Obama just because he is African American.

And on that note lets talk some Skins.

Posted by: kmdp4 | September 4, 2008 7:31 AM

This whole discussion about experience dumbfounds me. If you compare the experience of a 44 year-old woman with that of a 46 year-old man, just what is the difference? 3 years in the Senate, of which he's spent 2 years running for president? I just don't get it.

But I agree with your last comment. Let's talk some Skins!

Let the real competition begin!

HTTR!

Posted by: frediefritz | September 4, 2008 7:37 AM | Report abuse

That piece on Lloyd's new single is hilarious. Brandon, I wish you more success in the music biz than you had ever playing football.

Posted by: Chrias | September 4, 2008 7:38 AM | Report abuse

Let the real competition begin!

HTTR!

Posted by: frediefritz | September 4, 2008 7:37 AM

By REAL competition, I mean that which is really important, that which will have a huge impact on our lives, and on which the future of this nation rests. Namely, the Skins need to really kick some a$$ tonight!

Posted by: frediefritz | September 4, 2008 7:43 AM | Report abuse

Has there been any predictions on the final score?

Couldnt watch the convention last night...those guys drive me crazy. Palin looks like a slightly corss-eyed Sally Feild to me.

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | September 4, 2008 7:43 AM | Report abuse

Just like African Americans will not vote for Obama just because he is African American.

Posted by: kmdp4 | September 4, 2008 7:31 AM


Whoa, whoa, whoa...you mean I'm supposed to vote on the ISSUES? This IS America, right?

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 4, 2008 7:44 AM | Report abuse

Couldnt watch the convention last night...those guys drive me crazy. Palin looks like a slightly corss-eyed Sally Feild to me.

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | September 4, 2008 7:43 AM

Funny you say that...I still think Sally Field is pretty hot for a 60-something year old chick.

By the way, my prediction for tonight: 20-16 Skins. Eli turns it over at least once for a Redskins score.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 4, 2008 7:46 AM | Report abuse

Fred,

I agree with you, as far as I am concerned if the Skins win tonight, all is good in the world.

This political crap will sort itself out.

Posted by: kmdp4 | September 4, 2008 7:46 AM | Report abuse

Brownwood,

Know you should vote on who you think will screw up the country less.

I agree Sally is still doable.

Perdiction for the game Skins 27 Gints 17

Manning has two interceptions

Portis has 145 yrds

JC manages the game no turnovers 230 yrds 1 TD

Posted by: kmdp4 | September 4, 2008 7:50 AM | Report abuse

I can't wait to watch the game. We have an office dinner tonight, but I managed to get it scheduled at a sports style restaurant so I can keep an eye on the game.

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | September 4, 2008 7:50 AM | Report abuse

But with Sally Feild's brittle bones, that could get messy.

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | September 4, 2008 7:51 AM | Report abuse

Cheyenne,

I would come down with a sickness after work today, or get a new job.

Posted by: kmdp4 | September 4, 2008 7:52 AM | Report abuse

K;

Just to add onto real quick your point about experience of her vs Obama... the issue for dems is that the comparison is between him and the VP candidate...not the Prez candidate. Not good...

Cant wait for tonight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Zebra | September 4, 2008 7:57 AM | Report abuse

I agree that a women could help but women are not stupid you still need some experience which she has none. Women are not going to vote for you just because you are a women.

Just like African Americans will not vote for Obama just because he is African American.

And on that note lets talk some Skins.

Posted by: kmdp4 | September 4, 2008 7:31 AM

I know a whole lot of women and black folk that prove that statement wrong.

Now, back to football. LETS GO SKINS!!! Football season is here! It's really, really here! I thought this day would never come.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 4, 2008 7:58 AM | Report abuse

But with Sally Feild's brittle bones, that could get messy.

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | September 4, 2008 7:51 AM

Dude, she's taking Boniva so it's all good. All good for you to Bon-in-a!

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 4, 2008 7:59 AM | Report abuse

Z,

I was not giving a comparison of experience, I said nowere in my post that Obama was experienced. All I was saying is people are not dumb, and will not vote for people just because of gender or race.

Posted by: kmdp4 | September 4, 2008 8:00 AM | Report abuse

I wil vote for anyone that accepts the nomination wearing a John Riggins jersey

Posted by: Cheyenne, WY | September 4, 2008 8:03 AM | Report abuse

All I was saying is people are not dumb, and will not vote for people just because of gender or race.

Posted by: kmdp4 | September 4, 2008 8:00 AM

All people are not dumb, but a lot of people are and would do just that.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 4, 2008 8:05 AM | Report abuse

Ok K,

I was reading into this statement
'you still need some experience which she has none.'
and then you mentiuoned black people not voting based upon race and assumed you were comparing experience.

Too early for politics anyway...

Prediction

Gmen - 17 Skins - 14

Although in Tipping I picked us, i think

Posted by: Zebra | September 4, 2008 8:06 AM | Report abuse

All I was saying is people are not dumb, and will not vote for people just because of gender or race.

Posted by: kmdp4 | September 4, 2008 8:00 AM

Not to open a debate, but I learned long ago that you should assume that people ARE dumb because more often than not you'll be right.

Posted by: brownwood26 | September 4, 2008 8:06 AM | Report abuse

I'm channeling Pete Carroll, in that I'm all "pumped and jacked" about the game tonight.

They need the OLine to show up HUGE tonight. Heyer especially, he needs to be stopping guys in their tracks off the edge.

I still hope that Taylor sits this one out. Get him healthy for the final 15.

I can't wait....

Posted by: Greg | September 4, 2008 8:06 AM | Report abuse

I was watching NFL network last night and they made a good point about Justin Tuck. He has been a third down pass rusher for the most part, this year he will have to play everydown, he is only 274 which is not a bad size for a DE but he will still take alot of pounding. I think we run at him and wear him down to slow down his rush.

Posted by: kmdp4 | September 4, 2008 8:07 AM | Report abuse

Andy poulin was just saying on the radio that Vinny will not talk to JLC, no wander he hates the Skins FO so much. The team told JLC if he wants to interview Vinny someone else has to ask the questions.

Posted by: kmdp4 | September 4, 2008 8:08 AM | Report abuse

I'm going to digress from the political rantings. Like tonight, it will be decided on the "field". I just want to see Eli get smashed a couple of times and some Burgandy and Gols endzone flips. I do have a question. Even though Devin and Malcolm haven't yet pulled themselves together, do you think they will make it in and value in the redzone simply because of their size?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 4, 2008 8:09 AM | Report abuse

Scamp,

I hope so, I think you put Thomas out there tonight in certain situations and see what he can do. Red zone would be good.

Posted by: kmdp4 | September 4, 2008 8:12 AM | Report abuse

I am officially BANNING all stupid political talk for the day.

GIMME A BREAK PEOPLE IT'S GAMEDAY

and please note that MY COUNTDOWN IDEA was stolen, I actually came over here early this morning just to post :

11 hours and 46 minutes from the time of this posting....


but DARN IT I've been beat

Posted by: The Truth | September 4, 2008 8:13 AM | Report abuse

Scamp,

I hope so, I think you put Thomas out there tonight in certain situations and see what he can do. Red zone would be good.

Posted by: kmdp4 | September 4, 2008 8:12 AM

Do the Gints have a short corner they can jump ball him against?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 4, 2008 8:13 AM | Report abuse

Yeah scamp, at least as decoys so the D cant just focus on Davis and Cooley (note: SHort yard passing in red zone, Moss and ARE will not garner nuch attention uinless they hit the back lin eof the end zone and cut in...and defenses know this).

Maybe we shouldnt have tipped our hand about their abilities... although the tape would have proven that out.

I would love to see all plays we have never seen in the pre-season. I know that Tuck and Pierce said we hadnt shown anything, but that might not have been on purpose with all the 3 and outs and the like...

Posted by: Zebra | September 4, 2008 8:14 AM | Report abuse

"I was watching NFL network last night and they made a good point about Justin Tuck. He has been a third down pass rusher for the most part, this year he will have to play everydown, he is only 274 which is not a bad size for a DE but he will still take alot of pounding. I think we run at him and wear him down to slow down his rush.

Posted by: kmdp4 | September 4, 2008 8:07 AM "

If he was 274 on The Redskins all my fellow Skins fans would call him "too small" and "a dancer".

Posted by: The Truth | September 4, 2008 8:15 AM | Report abuse

Scamp,

They have 3 6.0 1 5-8 1 5-10

Not sure who the starters are but they all are short.

Posted by: kmdp4 | September 4, 2008 8:16 AM | Report abuse

km, agreed on Tuck. Great player last year when he was rotated heavily in and out of the lineup, and when combined with Strahan, and Osi, thats 3 GREAT pass rushers. He's got his work cut out for himself no doubt.

Bill Polian, GM of the Colts was on NFL Network yesterday afternoon, and was talking about Rookies, and how people give 'draft grades' before the players even play a down, and how after year 1, and into year 2 is when Rookies start to get 'it'. Lets all just try and be patient with our rookies shall we...

Posted by: Greg | September 4, 2008 8:17 AM | Report abuse

Someone needs to extend an olive branch in this Post-Ceratto fued. This is getting rediculous.

Posted by: etrod | September 4, 2008 8:19 AM | Report abuse

I'm with you Greg, except for Tryon. Really, he doesn't look like he's ever played football. He just looks lost.

His skill as a DB is comparable to what I would imagine Usain Bolt's skill at WR.

Posted by: The Truth | September 4, 2008 8:21 AM | Report abuse

Someone needs to extend an olive branch in this Post-Ceratto fued. This is getting rediculous.

Posted by: etrod | September 4, 2008 8:19 AM

Yea, and it needs to be the Canfack. Vinnie runs something.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 4, 2008 8:27 AM | Report abuse

@the truth: while Tryon looks lost now, I trust that he will continue to learn behind Springs, Rogers and Smoot. He's a 5th corner right now so in all reality he's a non-factor. But apparently he has displayed the quickness and football ability to play at this level to the scouts. I think the problem right now is the game is playing way faster than he is. He just needs some experience and get to where he's just playing, not thinking.

Posted by: ng1055 | September 4, 2008 8:28 AM | Report abuse

Even though Devin and Malcolm haven't yet pulled themselves together, do you think they will make it in and value in the redzone simply because of their size?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | September 4, 2008 8:09 AM

Scamp,

I hope so, I think you put Thomas out there tonight in certain situations and see what he can do. Red zone would be good.

Posted by: kmdp4 | September 4, 2008 8:12 AM


I think you will see Davis in the red zone before you see either WR.

Posted by: frediefritz | September 4, 2008 8:35 AM | Report abuse

Quit with the cutsie "fubball" stuff, okay?

It's annoying.

Posted by: psuterry | September 4, 2008 8:38 AM | Report abuse

I'm with you Greg, except for Tryon. Really, he doesn't look like he's ever played football. He just looks lost.

His skill as a DB is comparable to what I would imagine Usain Bolt's skill at WR.

Posted by: The Truth | September 4, 2008 8:21 AM


You still ahve to give him another year of seasoning. As others have posted, JT does have speed. Let's see if we can "coach him up".

Posted by: frediefritz | September 4, 2008 8:39 AM | Report abuse

Someone needs to extend an olive branch in this Post-Ceratto fued. This is getting rediculous.

Posted by: etrod | September 4, 2008 8:19 AM

Whoever does first wins don't they?

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 4, 2008 8:42 AM | Report abuse

That basically was what Bill Polian was saying, is that you can't judge a rookie in his first year, but by his 3rd year, you have to have a good idea if the person you drafted is going to be a star, a contributor, or a bust.

Posted by: Greg | September 4, 2008 8:42 AM | Report abuse

That article is pretty good


until the last page and a half.


the crap saying Vinny "lied repeatedly" is just stupid and unimportant. Sorry he didn't give the scoop of the trade to someone before it had been completed. If he was still saying "We will not trade for Jason Taylor" while JT is playing football in a Skins jersey, then call him out, but once again doesn't it make sense NOT to give the scoop to someone and take the chance of an NFC East team upping the trade value of JT? Silly, silly things.

Don't you have enough negative things to say about him without that anyway?

and yeah Greg, I'm just picking on Tryon. I'm 100% for giving him a chance and trying to coach him up, that's something we've been missing overall and I like where we're headed. I'm hoping we trade our first round pick next year for 2 2nd round picks again and continue to get younger.

Posted by: The Truth | September 4, 2008 8:42 AM | Report abuse


You still ahve to give him another year of seasoning. As others have posted, JT does have speed. Let's see if we can "coach him up".


Posted by: frediefritz | September 4, 2008 8:39 AM


I think that they should make an effort to have Tryon be Dime ready by next season. Sound right?

Posted by: Alex35332 | September 4, 2008 8:43 AM | Report abuse

beepbeep

Posted by: Greg | September 4, 2008 8:43 AM | Report abuse

and yeah Greg, I'm just picking on Tryon. I'm 100% for giving him a chance and trying to coach him up, that's something we've been missing overall and I like where we're headed. I'm hoping we trade our first round pick next year for 2 2nd round picks again and continue to get younger.

Posted by: The Truth | September 4, 2008 8:42 AM

Truth,
2 2nd's would be hard I think. Not many teams would have that to begin with and if they do, their 2 2nds may not be fair value. I would personally be happy with a 2/3/4, and then maybe trade 2 4's for a 3. as long as we can get 3-4 guys in the first 100 picks next year I am happy. The top 100 has a lot of prospects right now in positions we need, and not as many at positions we don't. Lot of D side guys and OL, not many WR/RB/QB. So I think we have an advantage in that teams looking for their next playmaker on O will want that 1st round pick.

Posted by: 35332 | September 4, 2008 8:49 AM | Report abuse

@Alex35332: Leigh Torrence right now would actually be your Dime CB. Springs-Rogers-Smoot-Torrence, those would be the 4 CBs on the field as of now. The only way Tryon sees the field right now is on Special Teams and if someone goes down.

Posted by: ng1055 | September 4, 2008 8:53 AM | Report abuse

Uh, Miami will have two 2nd round picks, and at least one of them should be #33-34 overall!

Posted by: cload & daggar | September 4, 2008 9:31 AM | Report abuse

That article is pretty good
until the last page and a half.

the crap saying Vinny "lied repeatedly" is just stupid and unimportant. Sorry he didn't give the scoop of the trade to someone before it had been completed. If he was still saying "We will not trade for Jason Taylor" while JT is playing football in a Skins jersey, then call him out, but once again doesn't it make sense NOT to give the scoop to someone and take the chance of an NFC East team upping the trade value of JT? Silly, silly things.

Don't you have enough negative things to say about him without that anyway?...

Posted by: The Truth | September 4, 2008 8:42 AM
-------------------------------------------
I agree, I was actually shocked in the early stages of this article, and then, of course, reality set in just fine. Did anyone notice that he said in the article the Atlanta trade was for "one" second round pick? Wasn't it "two" second round picks?
And yet another quote from the the "idiot kicker", still trying to figure that one out.

Posted by: BluCollar Redskin | September 4, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Andy poulin was just saying on the radio that Vinny will not talk to JLC, no wander he hates the Skins FO so much. The team told JLC if he wants to interview Vinny someone else has to ask the questions.

Posted by: kmdp4


Another example of the immaturity in the FO imho. All sides need to grow up and be men, not pouty little boys. We'd be all over a player if they refused to address the media the way VC does. I think he stinks personally. Time will tell about the latest draft, but two receivers and a TE when both lines need help desperatley?

Posted by: rigginsrules | September 4, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

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