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Tale of the tape: 2 guys, 4 quarters

Jason Reid and Mike Wise analyze Eagles-Redskins, via Comcast SportsNet.

By Cindy Boren  |  October 25, 2009; 7:59 PM ET
 
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First to say ...... 2-14

Posted by: GWSkinFan | October 25, 2009 8:18 PM | Report abuse

GWSkinFan- aww, come on! have a little faith! I say 3-13!!! :)

Still good enough to get Sam Bradford!

Posted by: rachel216 | October 25, 2009 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Fair point. 3-13! Go skins!

Posted by: GWSkinFan | October 25, 2009 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Watch this of Charley Casserly talking about JC:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTqk4Du4-wM

After watching that, I am convinced JC is a BIG problem. No wonder we're always coming up short on 3rd downs. The reciever is open and he decides to take a safe route. Our recievers DO get open, so that can't be an excuse. It's JC in the wrong system. He's not a west coast offense quarterback, and that's the fact.

Posted by: rachel216 | October 25, 2009 8:53 PM | Report abuse

My prediction: A Clinton Portis fumble late in the game pushes the Eagles ahead 17-16 with a field goal on the last play of the game.

Posted by: jiacinto | October 25, 2009 9:18 PM | Report abuse


Thanks for that rachel...he said what many of us knew. That ARE miscue was ridiculous!

I wonder if Zorn was in on the attempted trade for Cutler/Sanchez.

If they suspected JC wasn't the QB for this system, they should have been more aggressive in getting one who is.

Posted by: rickyroge | October 25, 2009 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Outside of everything that is wrong with the management of this team, we have a real problem at QB. I was a huge fan of Campbell last season and thought he would have a good year. I lost that thought in the Detroit game. In the past 4 years he's shown he is afraid to throw the ball anywhere remotely down feild instead dumping the ball off to a back in the flats or a screen to Moss (is that even in the playbook anymore?) or cooley bailing him out. It's been the same thing with this guy, he can't see the field. His long balls to Moss this year have been his primary read and he's locked on to him. We need someone else to run this offense. I think TC would give us a better shot from here on out but if we are sticking with JC I hope he opens his eyes.

Posted by: murphyz | October 25, 2009 9:21 PM | Report abuse

If they suspected JC wasn't the QB for this system, they should have been more aggressive in getting one who is.

Posted by: rickyroge | October 25, 2009 9:20 PM

How would this have manifested itself? I don't know how they could have been more aggressive than going after Cutler and Sanchez very openly. It wasn't aggressiveness that stood in their way -- they just didn't have enough to offer..

Posted by: League-Source | October 25, 2009 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Not sure why some people want Russ Grimm here as HC.

Isn't he the assistant coach for running game/O-line for the Cards?

The Cardinals run the ball less than anyone in the league.

Also, watching this game tonight, the Cardinals offensive line is being man-handled by the G-Men.

It makes the Redskins O-line performance against the Giants actually look good.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 25, 2009 9:45 PM | Report abuse

JR seems like a real hater. Lewis has a good resume and needs to be given a chance. Everyone says he is not respected as a play caller but they quote no one. Instead there are multiple stories quoting former players and coaches who say he is terrific. Lewis is not the answer but let's stop running him down before he has even made a mistake.

Watch the Casserley piece, it is a real eye opener.

Posted by: jfcarolina | October 25, 2009 9:47 PM | Report abuse

It's kind of nice checking in on this blog on a Fall Sunday night and not having people jumping off buildings and swearing off the Redskins until they get new management or threatening to kill Snyder, Ceratto, Zorn, or JC.

Of course, not playing today may have something to do...

Posted by: edvar | October 25, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

well they can put Joe Montana the best of all west coast QBs behind this offensive line and he would still struggle in this offense... if you think this team is just a good QB away then you've been brainwashed by Danny and Vinny...

LOL

Posted by: joek443 | October 25, 2009 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Just wait until the carnage begins tomm night!

Posted by: jiacinto | October 25, 2009 9:52 PM | Report abuse

The time to blame The Danny and The Vinny is during the offseason.

On autumn Sundays, I agree with Joey T. : It's all on the coaches and players.

Hopefully, they get it turned around tomorrow night.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | October 25, 2009 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Tick...tick...tick...

Posted by: edvar | October 25, 2009 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Watch the Casserley piece, it is a real eye opener.

Posted by: jfcarolina | October 25, 2009 9:47 PM

JC is indecisive agreed. The OL is weak agreed. Talent on the team not superbowl level agreed. All these excuses for JZ still does not excuse Zorn's red zone play calling this year. I don't know how anyone who have watched the skins this year can say otherwise. What about the decision to run a stretch play from his own end zone? Zorn's first 15 stcripted plays are horrid. To say that some of the offense's inefficiencies is not related to play calling being sub par is not being totally honest. Zorn benched JC looking for a spark, but that didn't work. Maybe this change will give the spark needed, because JZ as the primary play caller wasn't working.

Posted by: TWISI | October 25, 2009 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Look at the Pats.. they've basically had the same 5 o-linemen since they started their championship run early this decade... till today's game Matt Ryan wasn't sacked for like 18 quarters. When Mark Rypien had his best year for the Skins he was hardly touched... a good o-line can make a lot of ordinary QBs look extra-ordinary

Posted by: joek443 | October 25, 2009 10:06 PM | Report abuse

as Sonny Jurgensen always says play-calling is very much over-rated.

Posted by: joek443 | October 25, 2009 10:09 PM | Report abuse

if you think this team is just a good QB away then you've been brainwashed by Danny and Vinny...

Posted by: joek443 | October 25, 2009 9:51 PM

Or by Charley Casserly. Watching his video of JC throwing to covered receivers and ignoring the open ones has nothing to do with your boys, Mr. Cnyder and Mr. Serrato.

Posted by: League-Source | October 25, 2009 10:12 PM | Report abuse

I watched the same piece... every QB, even Tom Brady misses open men once in a while

you can find the same kinda examples even on hall of fame QBs. yes, Jason Campbell is slow and is not a prototype west coast offense QB. and he may well be a big reason for their failure but if you think he's the only reason then you are brain-washed by Snyderrato.

Posted by: joek443 | October 25, 2009 10:16 PM | Report abuse

I am actually glad we will be exposed on national TV. I hope we get it good because then the heat will be on the organization as a whole like never before. It seems to me Danny and Vinny have been hiding behind the local coverage of the team. Now since we are on the national stage and everyone will be watching there is no where to hide. Danny and Vinny will be skewed and roasted crispy! The guys in the booth will hammer them all night and they will be the only NFL news come Tuesday morning. They will be dissected and castrated for all to see.


Oh yeah, someone was yelling for Bradford. I don't think so. Until that shoulder heals, if it heals, he is nothing but a liability.

Posted by: ajb1094 | October 25, 2009 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Ajb-what happens if they win?

Posted by: jiacinto | October 25, 2009 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Jason Reid and Mike Wise analyze Skins/Eagles? They must be scatologists.

Posted by: VeloStrummer | October 25, 2009 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Despite having been a fan of the skins for 20 years, this is the first time that I wish that the skins get crushed by 40 points and I can't believe I am feeling this way.

Posted by: gonats1 | October 25, 2009 10:34 PM | Report abuse

I am actually glad we will be exposed on national TV. I hope we get it good because then the heat will be on the organization as a whole like never before

Posted by: ajb1094 | October 25, 2009 10:20 PM | Report abuse

did you see Herm Edwards last week on espn? he was almost beside himself criticizing what's been going on with the team.. and he's an ex-eagle player who has no vested interest

Posted by: joek443 | October 25, 2009 10:36 PM | Report abuse

I love it when Eli Manning gets intercepted.

Posted by: jiacinto | October 25, 2009 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Is AZ that good or NYG that bad?

Posted by: jiacinto | October 25, 2009 10:47 PM | Report abuse

And back to Earth Eli falls!

Ha.

Posted by: edvar | October 25, 2009 11:42 PM | Report abuse

I believe they should hire a new GM first but would like to see Russ Grimm get a shot at coaching the skins... don't know what exactly he's in charge of with the cardinals but it's about time they went back to the basics and start with building up the offensive line

Posted by: joek443 | October 25, 2009 11:50 PM | Report abuse

The Bradford droolers need to pay attention and get a clue. A fragile, immobile, damaged QB is NOT what the redskins need.

He sure looks a LOT different this year when he's getting azz planted because his fortress of an offensive line all play in the NFL this year.

OT, best available OL or RB or SS LB, repeat until finished with the picks.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 25, 2009 11:56 PM | Report abuse

the skins must win this game against the Eagles to have any chance at the playoffs this season. The NYG have opened up the door with their loss to AZ. We must take advantage of the Phil. weakness on the OL and neutralize their many offensive weapons. Our offense needs to strike early and often to give a cushion for our D. I sincerely hope that Sherm Lewis makes a bunch of haters "eat crow".

Posted by: jenksredskins | October 26, 2009 12:31 AM | Report abuse

Watch the Casserley piece, it is a real eye opener.

Posted by: jfcarolina |

Casserly lost me when he said, unequivocably, "It's not the playcalling."

If he's said it's not JUST the play calling Id have listened. The plays are lousy, make little sense, hav no flow and are poorly designed. Not sure if any QB would flourish in that system.

Oh yeah, oline kinda sucks, too.

Posted by: TheCork | October 26, 2009 12:44 AM | Report abuse

The skins must win this game against the Eagles to have any chance at the playoffs this season. The NYG have opened up the door with their loss to AZ. We must take advantage of the Phil. weakness on the OL and neutralize their many offensive weapons. Our offense needs to strike early and often to give a cushion for our D. I sincerely hope that Sherm Lewis makes a bunch of haters "eat crow".

Posted by: jenksredskins

Aren't puppies and kittens and newborns fun?

Posted by: TheCork | October 26, 2009 12:46 AM | Report abuse

The skins must win this game against the Eagles to have any chance at the playoffs this season. The NYG have opened up the door with their loss to AZ. We must take advantage of the Phil. weakness on the OL and neutralize their many offensive weapons. Our offense needs to strike early and often to give a cushion for our D. I sincerely hope that Sherm Lewis makes a bunch of haters "eat crow".

Posted by: jenksredskins

Aren't puppies and kittens and newborns fun?

Posted by: TheCork | October 26, 2009 12:46 AM | Report abuse

JUST SAY NO TO DRUGS!

Posted by: jenksredskins | October 26, 2009 1:06 AM | Report abuse

F Casserly

Posted by: jenksredskins | October 26, 2009 1:08 AM | Report abuse

titties in my mouf

Posted by: the_shocker1 | October 26, 2009 1:13 AM | Report abuse

Still good enough to get Sam Bradford!
Posted by: rachel216

You mean the Sam Bradford who's shoulder is going to be ruined by the time he graduates? Sounds like a perfect Vinny Cerrato draft choice to me.

Posted by: RedskinWillie | October 26, 2009 1:26 AM | Report abuse

JUST SAY NO TO DRUGS!
Posted by: jenksredskins

hey jenks, how's that drug war thing workin' out anyway? think if we pour just a few more hundred billion dollars down that rat hole we might make some progress?

reality is for people who can't handle drugs.

Posted by: RedskinWillie | October 26, 2009 1:28 AM | Report abuse

Oh his shoulder is gonna be great by the draft. Doc Andrews down in Bama (does that make him an original Bama?...sorry i digress)
is gonna fix him up on Wednesday.

Presto...in 4-6 months he'll be back to jump street... a thin, fragile, immobile QB who needs a fortress to play behind.

No thanks.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 26, 2009 1:36 AM | Report abuse

After watching that, I am convinced JC is a BIG problem. No wonder we're always coming up short on 3rd downs. The reciever is open and he decides to take a safe route. Our recievers DO get open, so that can't be an excuse. It's JC in the wrong system. He's not a west coast offense quarterback, and that's the fact.

Posted by: rachel216

Rachel216

Just for the sake of argument, lets assume what Casserly says is true. It would indicate more than anything else that Zorn is a complete idiot.

Zorn has convinced himself that Campbell can run the WCO. But everyone sees that JC is having major problems.

Have you not thought it ironic that Jason was more successful early in Zorns tenure but has not gotten better as Zorns WCO has become more entrenched.

If the WCO is not a fit for the QB, then playcalling might be a simple adjustment to help him. Sometimes play calling and specific emphasis for the QB may be a way of fitting the WCO to the player instead of fitting the player to the WCO.

As a coach Zorn has not resolved to the fact whether he will be considered most successful if he makes the players fit into his schemes or make his schemes fit to the players.

He is dogmatically hell bent on making his players fit the WCO. That is why he is failing.

It is not that the players are incapable and we need to replace them, it is rather that Zorn has done a miserable job of coaching them.

LarryInClintonMD.

Question for you Rachel216.

Do you think Buges blocking schemes has anything to do with the poor line play as it relates to the WCO?

Posted by: LarryInClintonMD | October 26, 2009 1:39 AM | Report abuse

anyone who still supports JC is motivated by race.

Posted by: the_shocker1 | October 26, 2009 1:47 AM | Report abuse

we don't need that up here.

Idiot.

Posted by: SkinsfaninKaneohe | October 26, 2009 1:53 AM | Report abuse

anyone who still supports JC is motivated by race.

Posted by: the_shocker1 | October 26, 2009 1:47 AM | Report abuse

LoL... What an Idiot! Many people say a lot of dumb comments in this blog, and I mean a lot. But buddy, yours might be the dumbest comment of them all, to date. It's amazing how fast the collective IQ of this blog drops more and more with every skins loss.

Posted by: gcoles32 | October 26, 2009 3:43 AM | Report abuse

With Campbell playing abhorrently the way he is by missing open receivers its says a lot about the Redskins receiving corps. (mainly Moss and Cooley). They haven't said a word about JC's crappy play not even once. Those are real teammates. They are suffering in both personal stats and financial incentives with JC. Tonight's game is JC's last chance to salvage his playing time this season and possibly as a starter for the rest of his career.

Posted by: BacktoGlory | October 26, 2009 4:38 AM | Report abuse

Do you think Buges blocking schemes has anything to do with the poor line play as it relates to the WCO?

I'm not Rachel216 but yes it very much possible AS Buges is a Gibbs guy....

Posted by: jcnjcnj | October 26, 2009 6:49 AM | Report abuse

Don't invest your self-esteem (or your hard-earned cash) in this failed organization.

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | October 26, 2009 7:24 AM | Report abuse

Casserly lost me when he said, unequivocably, "It's not the playcalling."

If he's said it's not JUST the play calling Id have listened. The plays are lousy, make little sense, hav no flow and are poorly designed. Not sure if any QB would flourish in that system.

Oh yeah, oline kinda sucks, too.

Posted by: TheCork

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Don't you see it though?

The reason Casserly is not blaming the play-calling is b/c obviously, the play-calling is working and we have open receivers running around.(And his missed passes are not limited to what you only see in the Casserly video!)

If JC17 hit's some of those passes is changes the dynamics of the game, including the way defenses play us.

And on a few of our runs, you have to admit that if Sellers had found someone to smash we aren't having some of these conversations.

Posted by: Vicc | October 26, 2009 7:31 AM | Report abuse

Who here wants me to explain the real problem with the Redskins?

Posted by: Sports_Guru | October 26, 2009 7:33 AM | Report abuse

At least next year we will have COLT back!

Posted by: KurtShanaman | October 26, 2009 7:36 AM | Report abuse

How come no one is reporting about Tomkat and Danny Boy meeting w/ Arnold and Democratic leaders in Cali? Wonder what the new name for Redskins will be out there in la la land. Danny Boy and Tommy were scouting locations for their facilities for the team ie practice fields etc. The big stadium architecture firms are drawing up plans for Danny Boy. And no this isn't an exercise for a new stadium in DC.

If only the WP had competent sports journalist and not PTI wannabees like Reid and Steinberg!

Posted by: vaherder | October 26, 2009 8:07 AM | Report abuse

Do you think Buges blocking schemes has anything to do with the poor line play as it relates to the WCO?

Posted by: jcnjcnj

I'd say it is a fair question. My understanding of the zone blocking scheme employed is that the offensive linemen have to be agile cats with teams sometimes sacrificing size for fast feet and hands. The profile of "agile cats" really doesn't match the offensive linemen that Washington has. With a lot of the offensive linemen shedding pounds in the offseason, it seems like the team tried to address the gap in what they needed by trying to transform the players they have. In my opinion, this is like trying to make a NASCAR racer out of a HUMVEE, and I think my opinion is supported by the product we see on the field. One of two things have to happen at the end of the season: 1) bring back a run-first smashmouth offense letting the players add bulk in the offseason, or 2) draft o-linemen at the top of the draft.

As for Bugel, I think the guy still coaches with a lot of energy. I think he has done the best with the talent he has and the scheme he has been presented with. I am sure if Bugel really let you know how he feels, I think you would find that he really would prefer a run-first smashmouth offense. Offensive linemen like to zero in on a guy and physically assault him in the run game. Pass blocking just isn't as much fun. You take a step back, and have to ward off defensive linemen that physically assault you in an attempt to get to the quarterback. I am sure a true offensive line coach would prefer to be coaching his guys on run blocking.

Posted by: RedSkinHead | October 26, 2009 8:38 AM | Report abuse

maybe some of the stuff JLaC was saying last year was right?

Posted by: dadanimal | October 26, 2009 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Interesting comments from Charlie. Jason didnt start out overcautious, but he definitely became that way. In some ways, it has to be the insecurity associated with that position. This whole thing about whether he's a WCO QB or not is bogus, however. Casserly himself demonstrated that receivers are coming open and Jason is checking down to the safety men. All he has to do is complete those throws and voila! He's suddenly a WCO QB again.

You know who isn't a prototypical WCO QB? Brett Favre. And yet look at all he accomplished within that scheme. Why? Because he completes passes. To defenders as well as his own team, but hey, you can't have everything.

If it was me, I'd start by simplifying the offense, focusing on execution, and trying to establish the run, even unsuccessfully.

Posted by: Samson151 | October 26, 2009 8:54 AM | Report abuse

The D.C area have had enough of this bad management with no G.M or coach's that can't hire their own coachs so D.C need to get another team that will play games in D.C with new stadium in D.C with new owner by the name of Cooke the real football winning ways are gone, If New York can have to teams D.C can have two we still need a new name for the team Washington Bulls rhinos

Posted by: alphadogg1 | October 26, 2009 9:04 AM | Report abuse

Hitting rock bottom is very liberating. Defense will have a phenominal game. Nothing to lose. Offense and special teams will struggle, as usual, but add enough points to squeak it out.

Over/under for Delay of Game calls is 4.

Posted by: joinnow | October 26, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

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