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Tanya Snyder to be honored for cancer efforts

Tanya Snyder, wife of Washington Redskins' owner Dan Snyder, will be honored Thursday for her efforts to promote breast cancer awareness at the 50th national convention of Zeta Tau Alpha Fraternity for women in New Orleans.

A breast cancer survivor, Snyder is a founding partner of ZTA's Think Pink! Campaign with the National Football League, and last season served as the national spokeswoman for the league's "A Crucial Catch Campaign." She will continue in that role this season.

In 1999, the Redskins were the first NFL team to dedicate a game to breast cancer education and awareness. Since then, 28 of 32 NFL teams have partnered with ZTA's Think Pink! campaign.

Snyder will address the convention on Thursday and will be initiated into Zeta Tau Alpha later that evening, according to a team statement.

By Paul Tenorio  |  July 6, 2010; 11:59 AM ET
 
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This is not only awfully nice for Mrs. Snyder, it's pretty much the perfect story for early July on RI... waiting impatiently for training camp...

Posted by: NateinthePDX | July 6, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of July, I'd love to hear what my colleague etrod thinks of July... etrod, whaddya think?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | July 6, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

As a fellow cancer survivor I appreciate and applaud her efforts....We sometimes forget about these issues as we follow the Skins...thank you to her for giving back...

Posted by: skinsfanOC | July 6, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

A wonderful cause...I am totally into pink whenever/wherever possible.

I love the pink!

Posted by: No_Punt_Intended | July 6, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Congrats to Tanya Snyder...and to us for finally getting a new thread!

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 6, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Only 395 posts to go 'til the next thread. Enjoy fellas

Posted by: Predator48 | July 6, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Now if only Tanya could get rid of that stubborn cancer Cleatsworthless.

Vjackson has not gone down from injury in his career that I know of but I definetly see the point.

My argument for using a second round pick and paying him is that if we are gonna draft a wideout why not get one we know will produce.

The red flags are there for every athlete, wether we hear bout them or not....

Nobody had red flags on big ben R*pelisberger n look what he's done, I consider his incidents unforgiveable n he won two rings

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | July 6, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Finally, another post.
Tanya Snyder is to be commended.
We males have no idea the significance issues women face w/ breast cancer.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | July 6, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

And he is a big time hater....He was sh!ttin on Mike Vick cuz he was/is fat and slow and couldn't do 1% of what Vick did.....And I could keep going on, but I leave it at that for right now.....SMMFH...

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 6, 2010 10:53 AM |

Exactly! If the so-called sports writer cannot equal the athletic feats he's describing I have no interest in reading his column. For a while now I've been calling for schools to split all athletic scholarships right down the middle: half get to play a sport, the other half go to journalism school. Ten years from now, everyone reporting on athletics will be an athlete and therefore believable.

Posted by: mack1 | July 6, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

And he is a big time hater....He was sh!ttin on Mike Vick cuz he was/is fat and slow and couldn't do 1% of what Vick did.....And I could keep going on, but I leave it at that for right now.....SMMFH...

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 6, 2010 10:53 AM |

Exactly! If the so-called sports writer cannot equal the athletic feats he's describing I have no interest in reading his column. For a while now I've been calling for schools to split all athletic scholarships right down the middle: half get to play a sport, the other half go to journalism school. Ten years from now, everyone reporting on athletics will be an athlete and therefore believable.

Posted by: mack1 | July 6, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

If you are seriously suggesting that a sports writer should be on par athletically with at professional athlete then that is the dumbest post I have ever read on here.

Vick is everything that is wrong with professional athletes. That article actually did a decent job of describing him. His brother might of been a super star too if not for the same issues.

Posted by: rupertpupkin | July 6, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of July, I'd love to hear what my colleague etrod thinks of July... etrod, whaddya think?

Posted by: NateinthePDX | July 6, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse


Boo July. Hooray Tanya!

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 6, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: mack1 | July 6, 2010 12:42 PM

Don't take my words and twist it.....Those were just for Whitlock.....As to my hypothosis for his constant hating of young black atheletes....

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 6, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

rupert, You clearly never watched his brother in college. He was in no way close to being a super star. The closest Marcus ever got to the NFL was stomping on the back of Elvis Dumervils knee.

Posted by: Stu27 | July 6, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Actually Marcus was very gifted as far as quickness, movement are concerned.
The guy did not make good passing decisions nor was he a good passer, but he was gifted enough that Miami brought him in to make him a WR.
But it didn't pan out well for Marcus...

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | July 6, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Exactly! If the so-called sports writer cannot equal the athletic feats he's describing I have no interest in reading his column. For a while now I've been calling for schools to split all athletic scholarships right down the middle: half get to play a sport, the other half go to journalism school. Ten years from now, everyone reporting on athletics will be an athlete and therefore believable.

Posted by: mack1 | July 6, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Howard Cosell is rolling over in his grave, muttering "Jock-ocracy......jock-ocracy!"...

Posted by: dlhaze1 | July 6, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

rupert, You clearly never watched his brother in college. He was in no way close to being a super star. The closest Marcus ever got to the NFL was stomping on the back of Elvis Dumervils knee.

Posted by: Stu27 | July 6, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

I agree performance was never there. I think the athletic gifts were though. He never put in the work because he was already living the good life from his brother. ( ie. why he was getting in trouble from the time he got to VT)

I think that is why the Dolphins were willing to give him a chance....just because the athletic gifts......

Posted by: rupertpupkin | July 6, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Here's somthing to discuss to keep everyone kool today:

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?noframes;read=115708

The Real Meaning Of "The Wizard of Oz"

"The Wizard of Oz," written by L. Frank Baum, is not a mere child's story.

What is "Oz" a symbol for? Ounces. What is measured in ounces? Gold. What is
the yellow brick road? Bricks or ingot bars of gold.
The character known as the Straw Man represents that fictitious, ALL CAPS, legal
fiction - a PERSON, the Federal U.S. Government created
with the same spelling as your birth name. Remember what the Straw Man wanted
from the Wizard of Oz? A Brain! No juristic person - legal
fiction - paper corporation has a brain because he/she has no breath of life.
What did he get in place of a brain? A certificate: a Birth Certificate for a
new legal creation. He was proud of his new legal status, plus all the other
legalisms he was granted. Now he becomes the epitome of the brainless sack of
straw who was given a certificate in place of a grain of common sense.

Now, what about the Tin Man? Does Taxpayer Identification Number (TIN) recall
anything to mind? The poor TIN Man just stood there mindlessly doing his work
until his body literally froze up and stopped functioning. He worked himself to
death because he had neither heart nor soul. He's the heartless and emotionless
creature robotically carrying out his daily task as though he were already dead.
He's the ox pulling the plow and the mule toiling under the yoke. These days,
his task masters just oil him nightly with beer and place him in front of a
hypnotic television until his very existence no longer has any meaning or value.
His masters keep him cold on the outside and heartless on the inside in order to
control any emotion or feeling that might arise.

The Cowardly Lion was always too frightened to stand up for himself. Of
course, he was a bully and a big mouth when it came to picking on those smaller
than he. (Have you ever noticed how bullies are really the biggest cowards?
They act as though they have great courage, but, in reality, have none at all.
They roar, but with no teeth of authority to back them up.) When push came to
shove, the Cowardly Lion always buckled under and whimpered when anyone of any
size or stature challenged him. He wanted courage from the Grand Wizard, so he
was awarded a medal of "official" recognition. Now, although remaining a coward,
his official status allowed him to be a bully, but with officially recognized
authority. (He's not unlike the Attorneys who hide behind the Middle Courts of
the Temple Bar.) et al ad infinitum.

(continued)

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 6, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Agree that the name sake is what got him on the team which is the real shame. He was certainly athletic and fast, but how much more deserving was he then others from the Hampton Roads area that could display equal athletic ability.

Posted by: Stu27 | July 6, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Boo Cancer.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 6, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Isn't a "fraternity for women" called a "sorority?"

Wait...did Joe Gibbs ever have anything to say about Coryell? Figured we would have seen something.

Posted by: Section104 | July 6, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

What about the trip through the field of poppies? Did you notice how this had
no narcotic effect on the Straw Man (no brain) or the Tin Man (no heart or
soul)? They weren't real people, so drugs could not influence them. The Wizard
of Oz was written at the turn of the century, so how could the author have known
America was going to be drugged? The Crown has been playing the drug cartel game
for centuries. Just look up the history of Hong Kong and the Opium Wars. The
Crown already had valuable experience conquering all of China with drugs, so why
not the rest of the world? What was the Emerald City? The Federal Reserve
System.

Who finally exposed the Wizard for what he really was? Toto, the ugly (or
cute, depending on your perspective) and somewhat annoying little dog. Toto
means "in total, all together; Latin in toto." What was it that the witch wanted
after she alleged that the little dog had bitten her? TOTO. ... everything.
Notice how Toto was not scared of the Great Wizard's theatrics, yet he was so
small in size, compared to the Wizard, that no one seemed to notice him? The
smoke, flames and holographic images of Oz were designed to frighten people into
doing as the Great Wizard commanded. Toto simply padded over, looked behind the
curtain (the COURT, etc.), saw it was a scam, started barking until others paid
attention to him and came to see what all the barking was about. Who was behind
the curtain? Just an ORDINARY PERSON controlling the levers that created the
illusion of the Great Wizard's power and authority. When Toto pulled back the
curtain and completely exposed him, the charade
was at an end. (The veil hiding the corporate legal fiction and its false
courts was removed.) The Wizard's game was UP. What was he after all? .... a
con-man. A FRAUD.

We can see, in this tale, just how loud the bark from a little dog can be. How
bout YOUR bark? How big is it? Most of us remain silent and wait to be given
whatever food and recognition, if any, by our legal master. Let us not forget
those pesky flying monkeys. What perfect mythical creatures to represent the Bar
Association Attorneys who attack and control the little people for the Great
Crown Wizard, the powerful and grand Bankers of Oz: GOLD! How, finally, was the
evil witch destroyed? .... pure, clean water LIQUIDATION! How, at last, did
Dorothy get home? She simply clicked her heels. She always had the power, and SO
DO WE! What would it take to expose the Wizard for what he is, tearing away his
veils? We each need only a brain, a heart and soul --- and COURAGE. Then, and
perhaps of the greatest
importance, we need to learn HOW to WORK TOGETHER. Only "in TOTO," WORKING
TOGETHER as ONE Body of the King of Kings, (whatever name or form that may take
for each of us), can we have the freedom given to us.
Thought this would be refreshing in light of this continual topic and need for
resolution.

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 6, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse


Tanya Snyder is to be commended.
We males have no idea the significance issues women face w/ breast cancer.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | July 6, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

-----

Yeah we do. Get your prostate checked once a year if you're past 40. You may not like it but I just think of it as the same thing as women getting a mammogram.

Posted by: RojoJohnson | July 6, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Agree that the name sake is what got him on the team which is the real shame. He was certainly athletic and fast, but how much more deserving was he then others from the Hampton Roads area that could display equal athletic ability.

Posted by: Stu27 | July 6, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

No more deserving than others.....maybe less because of all his legal troubles.

But I don't think there are very many people with equal athletic ability.......

Posted by: rupertpupkin | July 6, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

^^^Men get breast cancer too...and non-smokers get lung cancer......but good job uptop Mrs. S....

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 6, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Rupert 1:27,
There arent many people that would equal marcus abilities which is why i specifically mentioned the Hampton Roads area as being a place where athletes of this caliber come from. Look no further then mlb to see the athletic range of players like Ryan zimm, david Wright, Mark Reynold or the Upton brothers. This area is one of the most highly recruited areas in the country for a range of sports. I fully believe that their could have been an athlete of equal caliber to his at the time that was possibly overlooked but there is no way to qualify that.

Posted by: Stu27 | July 6, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

This blog is slower then Jason Campbell's reads..

Posted by: ga8085 | July 6, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

It seems as though Ms Snyder is not the only great humanitarian on the Redskins staff:

AGENT EXPLAINS HAYNESWORTH’S ABSENCE
ASHBURN, VA -- Saying there are “more important things than football,” the agent for Washington Redskins defensive lineman Albert Haynesworth offered a new explanation for the absence of his client from training camp.

Chad Speck said his client -- the highest paid defensive lineman in NFL history -- decided he wants to “do something” for the “little people” who helped him become the man he is today.

So shortly after taking a $21 million roster bonus, the heart of his team’s new 3-4 defense decided to step away from football for the time being to help people in the Gulf of Mexico cap and clean up a massive spill from a BP oil rig.

Using his own boat, the Terminator, and taking nothing but some handshakes and a few words of thanks, Haynesworth is anonymously shuttling oil riggers to and from two new wellheads being drilled into the seafloor to cap the well. http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/04/albert_haynesworths_new_boat.html

“Great athlete-humanitarians such as Albert know that much is expected from those who are given so much,” said Speck. Haynesworth reportedly admires other great humanitarian athletes like Roberto Clemente, the baseball legend killed while delivering humanitarian supplies to Nicaragua; and tennis star Arthur Ashe, who campaigned against apartheid in South Africa and for better healthcare in urban America.

Speck said, “In each case, here is a man who uses his position as a sports star to do something greater than playing sports – and benefit all mankind.”

Haynesworth reportedly even asked Washington Redskins owner Dan Snyder to trade him to New Orleans so that he could be closer to the Gulf recovery effort. http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/haynesworth-will-skip-minicamp.html

But even if trade talks fail, Haynesworth says he will remain a great player and a fine humanitarian too -- and to prove the point, he recently made an unsolicited $10,000 contribution to NFL charities. http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/albert-haynesworth/albert-haynesworth-statement-i.html

Posted by: Vic1 | July 6, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Since not much is going on sports-wise, let's do a reset of the social scene:

1. Michael Vick. We all know that the dud has been through bankruptcy, had most of his property seized and had to stoop to the level of charging admission to his 30th birthday party. How humiliating. Most sports stars of the type he used to be spend $$$ on their BPs and you get in by invite only. One other item. It said that he left the building with his entourage minutes before he buddy Quantas was drive-byed. How does a penny-pinching dud like him get to have an entourage?

2. Tiger. The other day WaPo had a link to some website that said Elin was getting a $750 M divorce settlement. No way Jose. The only thing Tiger loves more than poon is $$$. Him and wiffy are stuck with each other. If she leaves him she instantly becomes a pauper. And he will figure out a way to get pie on the sly. Heh, heh.

3. Angelina Jolie. She is on the cover of Vanity Fair. Celeb media is constantly chattering about her and Brad breaking up. All I know is that if she were to have me clean her pipes out with my massive roto rooter she would leave him in a heartbeat. For sure.

Posted by: ElDrano | July 6, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

This blog is slower then Jason Campbell's reads..

Posted by: ga8085 | July 6, 2010 1:50 PM |

Or how about slower than a "Oh, I see it now" MistaMoe moment.

Posted by: ElDrano | July 6, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

In recent years, Albert has been the principal sponsor and benefactor of Haynesworth House, a shelter for abused wives and abandoned children. http://www.nowpublic.com/sports/albert-haynesworth-wife-stephanie-haynesworth-restraining-order

Albert also adopted a new cause this year: G-Notes for G-Strings, a non-profit organization dedicated to working with unwed mothers and victims of sexual exploitation. http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Pregnant-stripper-sues-Albert-Haynesworth.html

Posted by: Vic1 | July 6, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Vic1
That was a well done Albert post.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 6, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Don't take my words and twist it.....Those were just for Whitlock.....As to my hypothosis for his constant hating of young black atheletes....

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 6, 2010 1:00 PM

Holding them to high standards is exactly the opposite of hating them and wanting them to see Vick as a bad guy and a dumba$$ they shouldn't want to emulate is the best message he could offer them. I don't always agree with everything Whitlock, or any other columnist, writes, but I thought this piece was spot on.

Posted by: MColeman51 | July 6, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

And that doesn't even count Albert's untiring support for numerous other legal causes and issues -- including the case of a man who required a hip replacement operation after he was nearly killed by a speeding driver clocked going at 105 miles per hour on an icy highway, and despite some prior convictions for wreckless driving.

Or the case of a man who defaulted on a $2.6 million bank loan shortly after he signed a $100 million contract with the Washington Redskins.

Or the case of a man currently under investigation for potential fraud and other illegal activity in several questionable real estate transactions.

Posted by: Vic1 | July 6, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

I'm on vacation and watching the Bad News Bears....

Hill-a-rious!!!

Chico's Bail Bonds...LMAO!

Posted by: rickyroge | July 6, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

For all of these activities and more, Haynesworth is the Washington Redskins nominee for the Walter Payton NFL Man of the Year award, which recognizes a player’s off-the-field community service as well as his playing excellence. The winner will be announced before the Super Bowl XLV in February 2011.

Posted by: Vic1 | July 6, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

rickyroge
you watching the original or the remake?

Posted by: alex35332 | July 6, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

While I don't always agree with Whitlock (I like 4th take issue with McNabb v. Vick device in this specific piece) he does make valid observations about issues regarding race and black athletes in his columns. I wouldnt' call it "hating."

P.S. Whitlock played football in college.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 6, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

For all of these activities and more, Haynesworth is the Washington Redskins nominee for the Walter Payton NFL Man of the Year award, which recognizes a player’s off-the-field community service as well as his playing excellence. The winner will be announced before the Super Bowl XLV in February 2011.
Posted by: Vic1 | July 6, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Just after that Fox Sports will be announcing their annual "Robot of the Year" award. which recognizes one of the robots from the opening of their NFL pre-game show, for his off the field efforts to destroy the human race.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 6, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Here's somthing to discuss to keep everyone kool today:

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?noframes;read=115708

The Real Meaning Of "The Wizard of Oz"

"The Wizard of Oz," written by L. Frank Baum, is not a mere child's story.

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 6, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Very interesting, 4th. A lot of it may be true. But not all of it. BAum wrote the book in 1900. In it, your explanation included "What was the Emerald City? The Federal Reserve
System."
But the Fed was notin existence until 1913.

Posted by: frediefritz | July 6, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

(I like 4th take issue with McNabb v. Vick device in this specific piece)
Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 6, 2010 2:38 PM

Was it that you didn't like Whitlock's using this piece to vent his resentment over the Beagles' trading McNabb, or do you think it was unfair to Vick to contrast him with McNabb?

Posted by: MColeman51 | July 6, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Vic1
That was a well done Albert post.


Posted by: alex35332 | July 6, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

It's also a repeat. How about some new material.

Posted by: frediefritz | July 6, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Original_etrod | July 6, 2010 1:00 PM

Posted by: alex35332 | July 6, 2010 1:20 PM

boo cancer... hip hip hooray July!

(channeling the inner Zorn there)

less time fretting over the fine points of football news (or absence thereof) means more time to indulge the garden, attend to family, and take vacation.

enjoy the respite while it lasts...

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 6, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Here's somthing to discuss to keep everyone kool today:

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?noframes;read=115708

The Real Meaning Of "The Wizard of Oz"

"The Wizard of Oz," written by L. Frank Baum, is not a mere child's story.

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 6, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Very interesting, 4th. A lot of it may be true. But not all of it. BAum wrote the book in 1900. In it, your explanation included "What was the Emerald City? The Federal Reserve
System."
But the Fed was notin existence until 1913.

Posted by: frediefritz | July 6, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

I am sorry, I just finished reading it. The whole thing comes across like the Monty Python "how do we know she's a witch" type logic.

I read a lot of political BS out there. When your a radical you just tend to be exposed to everything that's out there, from the 9/11 tuthers to the teaparty to the socialist revolutionaries, whoever wrote that was probably in such a crowed.

I am sure there is some political symbolism in the story, even though the author said there was not, but I don't buy anything that guy was selling. You may as well spend your time watching the History Channels UFO's in the Bible shows.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 6, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

SMACK, is Vlade Divac an assistant coach for your beloved Oranje?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 6, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

You mean to tell me that our situation can't be explained by succinct analogies grand hypotheses of conspiracy? Preposterous!

We reserve the right to complain about the institutions which influence us so long as we don't actually uncover any facts which might cause us to actually do something to improve them. That's liberty, baby.

Posted by: mattsoundworld | July 6, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

I wouldnt' call it "hating."

P.S. Whitlock played football in college.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 6, 2010 2:38 PM

That's how I see it...because of I can't fathom any other type of logic to apply. There was no direct correlation between Vick and McNabb, meaning Vick was never actually a threat to unseating McNabb.

But because one of his poster boys of a Black Athelete is in the news, he had to find away to continue to knock him down like everyone else is doing.

For the record, I think we won't see Vick again in the NFL. I don't think he violated his parole off of this.

Now, I think Whitlock and all the talking heads are getting too caught up in the 3 vs. 10 minutes debate. And Whitlock again shows his bias by calling it '3 short minutes'. A minute if you stop and wait for it is never short and is always the same length. But he just showed another example of how he already prejudged the situation.

So, his fat a$$ played football in college, thx...it all makes sense now...Time to send Aaron McGruder his next story for the Boondocks....Uncle Rutkus...'The College Years'....The Black Rudy....HAd the best work ethic in the world, still couldn't crack a NFL roster....But all dem talented 'hood stars' didn't do sjk.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 6, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Boo Cancer.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 6, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Yay to saving the boobies!!!

Posted by: monk811 | July 6, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

I thought a Fraternity for women was a Sorority but what do I know. That said, Yay for Mrs. Snyder. Good cause, classy girl.

Posted by: wireman65 | July 6, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Yay to saving the boobies!!!

Posted by: monk811 | July 6, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Yay for plastic surgeons!

Posted by: alex35332 | July 6, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Jamarcus... winding up slow (slurp some purple) and (whazzz going on?) looks (whoa) and (fnck it life is good) just need to (whazzz going on?) get rid of (mmmmm) the ball..........

wakes up bankrupt.

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 6, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

If only we could use chemotherapy and its subsequent medical marijuana, to get the badger surgically removed from Dan Snyder's @$$, then the world would truly be a better place.

Posted by: alex35332 | July 6, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

What's the chances they messed up and Russell was just abusing MAPLE syrup and not codeine, that would explain why his azz got so fat!

Posted by: monk811 | July 6, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

It's also a repeat. How about some new material.

Posted by: frediefritz | July 6, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

--

Sorry for the recycled material. Dog days of summer and all that... and wasn't really happy with how the first draft of it turned out... so I decided to re-edit, tighten, refocus and repost -- sort of like Mister Mayor's daily reports on you-know-who.

However, have been mulling doing a series of posts on the general theme of Countdown to Training Camp... sort of a Magical Mystery Tour as to where some of the major players may be spending their final days before reporting to Ashburn... looking into the big issues like:

* Where would CC47 go to load up his mpeg player with the best practice field tunes?

* Why was CP26 seen hanging around the bus station throwing dummies under a bus?

* What is Coach Shanahan going to do with all of those beach balls, inflatable sex dolls, and other foam toys that Jim Zorn used to throw at Campbell?

* How many McNabb local sponsorship deals and advertisements have been signed and filmed already, and with whom?

* Why did the Washington Redskins post a wanted picture and offer a large reward to the first person who captures AH92 and brings him to training camp?

*What new wrinkles will Rex and Colt be bringing to the pre-season backward hats challenge?

* Now that they've moved ST21's locker to the sky boxes, how many season ticket holders will be forced to watch the game from "partially obstructed view" seats in from the Redskin locker room?

Other ideas are welcome.

Posted by: Vic1 | July 6, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Summary of Whitlock story:

McNabb awesome & mistreated, Vick idiot and beloved.

Nothing he says is a surprise when you start with his personal views, buried in the 9th stanza: "The Eagles kicked my favorite active QB (McNabb) to the curb."

So what? The Skins kicked my favorite active QB to the curb and hired a QB I've rooted against for over a decade. Quit whining about it and move on, Whitlock, you can still watch your favorite QB on Sundays.

Posted by: Alan4 | July 6, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Vic1 | July 6, 2010 4:03 PM

mol...

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 6, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

* Why did the Washington Redskins post a wanted picture and offer a large reward to the first person who captures AH92 and brings him to training camp?

Posted by: Vic1 | July 6, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

I have one of those big elephant tranquilizer guns. I'll shoot him in his big azz, might take 10 shots though, I just need a volunteer to come with me and pull innocent bystanders out of the way so they aren't turned into pancakes when he falls over. Speaking of, anybody own a fork lift?......

Posted by: monk811 | July 6, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

I keep hearing talk show hosts say that both sides are to blame for the Albert Haynesworth deal.

Why are the Redskins to blame? They honored the terms of the contract from a financial standpoint...I don't get it...Even if he was told they would not play a 3-4 before they signed him, then he shouldn't have taken the check in early June when he knew they were switching to a 3-4.

I see no fault of the Redskins for this....except maybe they shouldn't have signed him in the first place.

Posted by: rickyroge | July 6, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

No, I think everyone expects us to hire coaches to please the player. To them, we shouldn't have changed from a 4-3 to a 3-4. This is how players turn into primadonnas. Do you think Bart Starr used to tell good ol Vince, "I don't like this offense, I'm gonna hold out and go to another team I can take advantage of"! First off, Lombardi would have told him to go f*ck himself, and then he'd bench his azz and find someone else to lead the team. Plus, Bart Starr was a stand up guy, can't say that about Haynesworth.

Posted by: monk811 | July 6, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

mol...

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 6, 2010 4:05 PM

Wonders how that would sound.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 6, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

sicwidit, the Redskins would be have some blame if mgmt promised Albert something to induce him to sign the contract and then after he signed did not follow through on that promise.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 6, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

What Hayney is doing is very similar to what Jay Cutler did to the Broncos.

Both were in the midst of a big contract, and both whined like beeches after the coach that brought them in was fired and the new coach looked at making changes.

Fortunately for the Broncos, there were able to cash in on their malcontent. Ironically, Cutler was upset about Shanahan being fired in Denver.... Hayney is disgruntled with his new coach--Shanahan.

Posted by: Alan4 | July 6, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

That $21M was guaranteed money he was owed. He had every right to take it regardless of what D they planned to play. AH hasn't done anything wrong in that respect unless he fails to show for TC and gives his best effort and play balls out once the season starts..

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 6, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Alan- I think Cutler was more peeved that McDaniels tried to get Matt Cassel.

But yes, both Cutler and Hayney are a couple of girls.

Posted by: iH8dallas | July 6, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

My argument for using a second round pick and paying him is that if we are gonna draft a wideout why not get one we know will produce.

The red flags are there for every athlete, wether we hear bout them or not....

Nobody had red flags on big ben R*pelisberger n look what he's done, I consider his incidents unforgiveable n he won two rings

Posted by: brandon_in_cali

There is also the monster contract Vjax wants to sign. The Redskins have very little in the way of draft picks next year. Giving up more on top of another 10 mil a year to player will make it difficult to put a decent team around McNabb and Vjax.

Posted by: srobert1117 | July 6, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

"Yay for plastic surgeons!"


Why?

It's our understanding that plastic surgeons melt in the heat and can't be recycled.

(INSERT booing and shouts of "That's not funny, Moe!")

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 6, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

SMACK under no circumstances will any African in South Africa root for the Dutch.

Posted by: learnedhand1

We are living ina world where Israelis drive Mercedes and Americans buy Japanese and plan a vacation at the Nha Trang Hilton. Don't take my word for it, Ian said the crowd was largely pro-Dutch. I suspect much of the African support was anti- Uruguayan.

Posted by: TheCork | July 6, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

"There is also the monster contract Vjax wants to sign.... Giving up more on top of another 10 mil a year to player will make it difficult to put a decent team around McNabb and Vjax."

This is kinda sorta an issue, isn't it?

I mean, aren't all signs pointing towards an uncapped NFL labor future?

And if not, perhaps the cap number is so high to where adding a monstah contract isn't that much of a deal.

Plus: CP's $7 million contract will be off the books after this year.

Moss's contract will be gone, too.

And when you look at vets like Rabach and Dockery they might be goners as well.

Fred Davis, Devin Thomas, and a few other guys will get re-upped at market friendly deals as they'll be RFAs.

The point is, giving one guy a back loaded monstah contract with guaranteed money isn't the bogeyman when the issue comes to adding VJAX:

Losing draft picks is.

And if the issue is a 2nd rounder, well, it's a tough one as the redskin's 'win now' attitude with older players suggests that that 2nd rounder is goner.

Re-upping a vet quarterback in McNabb, and then giving him an elite target ain't bad business, my friends.

Being afraid to do what it takes to win is.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 6, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: mack1 | July 6, 2010 12:42 PM

Don't take my words and twist it.....Those were just for Whitlock.....As to my hypothosis for his constant hating of young black atheletes....

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 6, 2010 1:00 PM

How did I "twist" your words? I pasted what you wrote. Word for word.

Oh, and rupertpupkin, take a guess which post makes into my top ten for dumbest? I'll give you a hint, it showed up a little before 1:00 this afternoon.

Posted by: mack1 | July 6, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Wonders how that would sound.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 6, 2010 4:40 PM

in fact, not very exciting...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_EsxukdNXM

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 6, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

"Tanya Snyder to be honored for cancer efforts"

Yes, 'Saving the Boobies' is a great idea.

But with men dying of prostate cancer, what catchy, media-friendly slogan applies?

a.) "Protect the Prostate"

b.) "Redeem the Rectal Exam"

c.) "Say Hey PSA"

d.) "Doctah, Your Fingers Ain't Long Enough"

e.) "Bend Ovah and the Exam Will Be Ovah"

f.) "You've Lost that Awkward Digital Exam Feelin'"

and finally,

g.) "Don't Forget to Test These Testes"

'Cuz I've got the balls to get myself checked out.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 6, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Huh, wikipedia says Jason Whitlock (as a standout left tackle) blocked for Jeff George in high school. I don't remember ever having heard that. Mildly interesting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Whitlock

Posted by: NateinthePDX | July 6, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Yes Moe thank you.

Again, another area Brucey can excel at this yr.

We can sign the big contract, not as big as he wants, I've stated before id only give him 40 to 45 depending on performance.

Bruce can front load this contract so the hit will be less following yrs, he's a master at the contracts. Don't forget he restructed 2 deals in the offseason to free up cap down the road.

Posted by: brandon_in_cali | July 6, 2010 6:30 PM | Report abuse

For some reason there seems to be a lot of fartage to wade through on this blog.

Posted by: FrancoBegbie | July 6, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

I mean, aren't all signs pointing towards an uncapped NFL labor future?

And if not, perhaps the cap number is so high to where adding a monstah contract isn't that much of a deal.

Plus: CP's $7 million contract will be off the books after this year.

Moss's contract will be gone, too.

And when you look at vets like Rabach and Dockery they might be goners as well.

Fred Davis, Devin Thomas, and a few other guys will get re-upped at market friendly deals as they'll be RFAs.

The point is, giving one guy a back loaded monstah contract with guaranteed money isn't the bogeyman when the issue comes to adding VJAX:

Losing draft picks is.

And if the issue is a 2nd rounder, well, it's a tough one as the redskin's 'win now' attitude with older players suggests that that 2nd rounder is goner.

Re-upping a vet quarterback in McNabb, and then giving him an elite target ain't bad business, my friends.

Being afraid to do what it takes to win is.

Posted by: MistaMoe

The NFL is absolutely not moving towards an uncapped future. If anything it is going in the other direction. The reason that the owners opted out of the agreement is that they felt the players piece of the pie was too large. They are looking to contract the % going to the players and reducing entry level contracts.

All of your points about who is going to be coming off the books is true. But that is also why signing of Vjax to a contract is a bad idea. The skins already are without 3rd and 4th rounders next year. For Vjax they are giving up at least the 2nd and probably more in the following year. That leave free agency to replace all of the guys you mentioned as well as adding starters at C, wr, RB, RT, RG, DE/NT, OLB, ILB and CB. That is starters and does not even address backups. Having a ton of money wrapped up in Vjax, McNabb, Twilliams and AH will limit the quality of starters at those positions as well as backups.

Marshall had 4 years 47.5 million dollar deal with 24 million guaranteed. Even if the total deal is less it is going to be in that neighborhood. AH's deal was backloaded but it was still a 4 year 48mil contract. You can't backload it unless you do a 7 year deal and it would still end up being a 4 year 40mil deal.

The win now mentality is slippery slope. The best chance to make the playoffs is probably this year and maybe next year if there is a work stoppage. After that McNabb is going to be north of 35. There are going to be more holes than swiss cheese with all of the players you mentioned being replaced. No draft picks to fill those spots and a cap limiting the quality of players you bring in.

Win now is great but what is everyone going to say when the team dips back down to below 500 in 3 years with no starting QB and not much on the roster above and beyond Orakpo, Davis and Trent Williams.

Posted by: srobert1117 | July 6, 2010 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Win now is great but what is everyone going to say when the team dips back down to below 500 in 3 years with no starting QB and not much on the roster above and beyond Orakpo, Davis and Trent Williams.

Posted by: srobert1117 | July 6, 2010 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Double and Triple Cosign! Just say NO to VJax.
By the way, we have more pressing needs than LG and C. Doc isn't an old man yet and can still play, maybe get a backup in a year or two if there's not already one on the roster. I do agree an upgrade at center is necessary, but not right away. Raback ain't that bad, and we need to replace Phillip Daniels and London Flethcer pretty soon, not to mention if this year reveals all kinds of holes with these young unproven players like DThomas, MKelley, JTryon, KBarnes, KMoore, and the list goes on.

Posted by: monk811 | July 6, 2010 7:22 PM | Report abuse

The 2nd round pick for VJax is a great deal. Its the $$ that is the issue.

Consider this. How many 2nd rounders are better than VJax? Not a lot. Five years for a top WR in his prime? Its better football than you'll get from your 2nd round pick 90% of the time. Without having the "wait to see if they'll develop" years. Performance-wise, if you can get a VJax level performer for a 2nd rounder in a key position of need, you do it. The real issue is whether he is the guy you want taking one of the few premium paycheck spots on the roster.

fwiw, I looked back at all the Charger and Skin 2nd rounders in the last few years, VJax was one of the top 2 or 3 (out of 14). Over 1/3 had or are having very modest careers.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 6, 2010 7:31 PM | Report abuse

The 2nd round pick for VJax is a great deal. Its the $$ that is the issue

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 6, 2010 7:31 PM

True except, AJ Smith is looking for TWO 2nd Rd picks or a 1st..

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 6, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

By the way, we have more pressing needs than LG
Posted by: monk811

LG and LT are about the only spots that don't need a replacement in the near future. People on hear have been railing about Rabach. He is getting up there but probably has a few left.

The 2nd round pick for VJax is a great deal. Its the $$ that is the issue.

Consider this. How many 2nd rounders are better than VJax? Not a lot. Five years for a top WR in his prime? Its better football than you'll get from your 2nd round pick 90% of the time. Without having the "wait to see if they'll develop" years. Performance-wise, if you can get a VJax level performer for a 2nd rounder in a key position of need, you do it. The real issue is whether he is the guy you want taking one of the few premium paycheck spots on the roster.

fwiw, I looked back at all the Charger and Skin 2nd rounders in the last few years, VJax was one of the top 2 or 3 (out of 14). Over 1/3 had or are having very modest careers.

Posted by: zcezcest1

There is no doubt that VJax is better than any second rounder next year. I firmly believe it will be similar comp that went to Denver for Marshall. Two second rounders.

You are right that Vjax would be great for 5 years. But he may only be worth the big dollar compensation this year. The team is littered with older players and very few young guys on the rise.

If it were the Ravens(pre boldin) or Jets (Pre holmes) I would agree with the trade. They have a great nucleus of young players and QBs where VJax would have been the final piece.

I just see Vjax catching passes from a journey man QB on a losing team in 3 years because of selling out for this year.

Posted by: srobert1117 | July 6, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TheCork | July 6, 2010 5:31 PM

I said "no African" as opposed to "no one." It's not surprising that the Dutch would have a large base of support in South Africa of all places. Did you actually watch the match and see the crowd?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 6, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TheCork | July 6, 2010 5:31 PM

I said "no African" as opposed to "no one." It's not surprising that the Dutch would have a large base of support in South Africa of all places. Did you actually watch the match and see the crowd?

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 6, 2010 8:13 PM | Report abuse

I just see Vjax catching passes from a journey man QB on a losing team in 3 years because of selling out for this year.

Posted by: srobert1117 | July 6, 2010 7:53 PM

It's not that bad. Bruce and Mike have been members of winning organizations and have experience putting successful teams together. Going into next offseason, they will have a plan in place to address their aging team,regardless if they have a pick in round 2 or not. I don't think we should sell short the abilities of the younger players either. Two or three years of good coaching can make a world of difference.

Posted by: TWISI | July 6, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

The 2nd round pick for VJax is a great deal. Its the $$ that is the issue

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 6, 2010 7:31 PM

True except, AJ Smith is looking for TWO 2nd Rd picks or a 1st..

Posted by: Diesel44

Smith isn't getting 2 2nd rounders for VJax. In 6 months, he'll get zero for Jackson. Beginning in mid Aug, VJax's trade value starts dropping day by.

Smith is either willing to keep Jackson, figuring 2010's team is worth the 'win now' investment, or will give him up in the next month or so.

**********

The win now mentality is slippery slope.

Posted by: srobert1117

YES!!!!!!! You are absolutely correct. But worse than a 'win now' approach for this team is a halfway approach to 'win now'. Meaning you won't win now AND you won't win later. Shanahan, by getting older, has made that choice. I criticized Vinny for his Jason Taylor trade (a definite 'win now' move) when he didn't follow it up with other 'win now' moves. I doubt Shanahan makes the same mistake.

Just to bottom line it -- if (and yeah, they are big ifs) we get VJax and Albert shows up and plays near his ability, this team is going to be very competitive for the playoffs, and maybe even a long playoff run.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 6, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

It's not that bad. Bruce and Mike have been members of winning organizations and have experience putting successful teams together. Going into next offseason, they will have a plan in place to address their aging team,regardless if they have a pick in round 2 or not. I don't think we should sell short the abilities of the younger players either. Two or three years of good coaching can make a world of difference.

Posted by: TWISI

How do you think they are going to do it without draft picks and limited cap space?

Bruce Allen does not have years of experience being a GM. He was a GM for 5 years in TB before being fired. He did do a decent job of turning over an older roster for a younger one. There is a big difference between what he did there and what he is doing now. When he went there he started releasing older high priced veterans if he they were still playing at a high level. Lynch and Sapp were released. With Washington he is signing high priced aging veterans. Within the next 3 years he is going to have to blow it up and rebuild. Shanahan is very good offensive coach but not the best when it comes to personnel.

The good coaching will help to a degree but you need cap space and picks if you are going to rebuild.

Posted by: srobert1117 | July 6, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

sroberts1117

"Win now is great but what is everyone going to say when the team dips back down to below 500 in 3 years with no starting QB and not much on the roster above and beyond Orakpo, Davis and Trent Williams."

Well, I for one never endorsed the 'win-now' philosophy.

Before McNabb, I was in the draft JC's replacement camp in '10 camp.

But with McNabb in the house, and what is now a well-documented older team, Shanallen has moved us all in the 'win-now' camp.

We got folks arguing for a philosophy that the front office has avoided.

What, we are going to build for tomorrow with a team of vets?

And so, if we are to 'win-now,' let's give our vet quarterback an elite go-to guy in the very shape and form of VJax.

Pull dat trigga, Mr. Allen.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 6, 2010 8:32 PM | Report abuse

YES!!!!!!! You are absolutely correct. But worse than a 'win now' approach for this team is a halfway approach to 'win now'. Meaning you won't win now AND you won't win later. Shanahan, by getting older, has made that choice. I criticized Vinny for his Jason Taylor trade (a definite 'win now' move) when he didn't follow it up with other 'win now' moves. I doubt Shanahan makes the same mistake.

Just to bottom line it -- if (and yeah, they are big ifs) we get VJax and Albert shows up and plays near his ability, this team is going to be very competitive for the playoffs, and maybe even a long playoff run.

Posted by: zcezcest1

I do agree that with Vjax and a motivated AH it is a good team. Some other things have to fall into place to be a playoff team and deeper run. Oline is still a question mark until I see the right side actually play.

I still think it was a mistake trading for McNabb. Did not think the team was close enough to having all of the piece parts. Thought they should have unloaded some older vets for draft picks and started rebuilding.

There is something to be said for watching your team add young players and watching the mature into studs rather than seeing some mercenaries catch lightening in a bottle for a year or two.

Posted by: srobert1117 | July 6, 2010 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Got your point, LH. But why would anyone try to speak for everyone of any particular group? Isn't that so two generations ago?

Not everyone takes their historical geo-political grudge out on the sport of soccer.

The Dutch are one of the most popular teams on the planet, with likely several hundred million fans, because of their players (many black over the years like Kluivert and Seedorf) and the style they play. To assert they don't count a single "African" among them is completely absurd.

If it all aggrieves you so, simply watch something else.

Posted by: SMACK1 | July 6, 2010 8:41 PM | Report abuse

"Lindsay Lohan Is Sentenced to 90 Days in Jail"

And when she gets out, I'll give her the best idea she never thought of in two words:

"do porn"

She'll make a mint.

No one in that industry will care if she has a drug problem.

No one in that industry will get upset if she has to wear a GPS anklet while 'performing'.

She can get paid doing in the porn industry what she's probably already doing for free.

And that, to me, is what's the real crime.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 6, 2010 8:46 PM | Report abuse

I don't think we should sell short the abilities of the younger players either. Two or three years of good coaching can make a world of difference.

Posted by: TWISI | July 6, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Cosign that, TWISI. We have a good nucleus of young proven players, especially on D. At the beginning of the 2010 season, these players will be
22 JJarmon, TWilliams, TAustin
23 DThomas, ECook
24 BOrakpo, RJackson, FDavis, SCapers
25 CHorton, LLandry, CRinehart
26 DHall, KMoore, ACarriker, SHeyer
27 KGolston, LAlexander, AArmstrong

That's 18 players, probably at least 15 of whom will make final roster. Another year of coaching will help all of them.

Posted by: frediefritz | July 6, 2010 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: srobert1117 | July 6, 2010 8:31 PM

You don't even know what the cap will be and you talking about the teams available space. What big cap moves have the Skins done this year? The Skins will be shedding guaranteed $$ from the cap because of how AH, CP, Moss, Hall contract have been structured. All those players save Hall are likely gone after this year. All the FA they've signed this year aren't carry huge cap values. If it makes you feel better complaining about a hypothetical cap figure and such, knock yourself out. I just don't buy it. I agree that what Bruce did in Tampa is different from what he's doing here, but there's nothing wrong with it. Different team, players, lock room culture etc. However, they (BA and MH) had a plan to start the year and have followed script. They will have another plan next year and will follow script as well.

Posted by: TWISI | July 6, 2010 8:48 PM | Report abuse

http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5jtXyAqqIgpoq7DT8qQyRAFFwS2wA

Let's hope Thomas and Kelly have made their way to MN this week.

Posted by: TWISI | July 6, 2010 8:56 PM | Report abuse

MistaMoe, earlier in an argument about VJax, you said that SMoss would leave after this year. I understand his contract if "voidable" after the 2010 season, but he is signed until 2013. What are the terms that make his contract voidable?

Posted by: frediefritz | July 6, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/191827-the-redskins-re-structures-santana-mosss-contract

frediefritz from this article, his contract automatically voids after the 2010 season.

Posted by: TWISI | July 6, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

srobert1117

I put together what I would have done differently than Shanahan -- and keeping Campbell was one of the differences. The team I put out wasn't as good, but around 2 years younger, significantly cheaper and competitive with Shanahan as the HC.

But Shanahan went a different direction and he'd be foolish to try to backpaddle now. The team has flaws, but so do most teams. There's sufficient talent to win, especially with a top coach running the show.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 6, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TWISI | July 6, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Thanks TWISI. So he is UFA in March 2011. I presume we may resign him then, depending on how the season goes.

Posted by: frediefritz | July 6, 2010 9:11 PM | Report abuse

But Shanahan went a different direction and he'd be foolish to try to backpaddle now. The team has flaws, but so do most teams. There's sufficient talent to win, especially with a top coach running the show.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 6, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

And a little luck with injuries.

Posted by: frediefritz | July 6, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

twisi/fredie

"So he (S Moss) is UFA in March 2011. I presume we may resign him then, depending on how the season goes."

And I don't think you re-sign 32 year old small receivers to play 'X'.

This probably will be S Moss' last season as a redskin.

Unless he is moved to the slot.

Then, I think the argument would be to re-sign him.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 6, 2010 9:20 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest

"There's sufficient talent to win, especially with a top coach running the show."



Agreed.

The thing this year is we face some very good out of division teams (Tenn, Indy, Houston, for example).

And I think the thing we all want is for the Washington Redskins to be competitive in the face of those contests.

It would be insane to predict 11-5 this season.

But I'd say 9-7 is doable as a big time quarterback and attacking defense is worth at least five victories on top of last season's 4-12 disaster.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 6, 2010 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: SMACK1 | July 6, 2010 8:41 PM

My man where is all of this coming from? Loosen that thong. What ever gave you the impression I am or was aggrieved? My first post on the subject was sort of tongue in cheek. I don't know why cork felt the need to repost it. I guess he wanted to score a point.

I don't know how you define generation but apartheid and its vestiges are not so far in the past that they don't color how people think or act today.

In any event, all the best to the Netherlands' flopping hordes.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 6, 2010 9:49 PM | Report abuse

What's the chances they messed up and Russell was just abusing MAPLE syrup and not codeine, that would explain why his azz got so fat!

Posted by: monk811 | July 6, 2010 4:02 PM |

He was probably mixing the 2.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 6, 2010 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Unless he is moved to the slot.

Then, I think the argument would be to re-sign him.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 6, 2010 9:20 PM | Report abuse

I think he is better suited for the slot. He has great hands. I still want to see how well his motor works, but he hasn't had any wheel problems, other than hammies. I'd like to see him resigned, as long as the price isn't exorbitant. Quality teammate, good leader, good attitude.

Posted by: frediefritz | July 6, 2010 9:49 PM | Report abuse

zcezcest

"There's sufficient talent to win, especially with a top coach running the show."

Agreed.

The thing this year is we face some very good out of division teams (Tenn, Indy, Houston, for example).

And I think the thing we all want is for the Washington Redskins to be competitive in the face of those contests.

It would be insane to predict 11-5 this season.

But I'd say 9-7 is doable as a big time quarterback and attacking defense is worth at least five victories on top of last season's 4-12 disaster.

Posted by: MistaMoe |

If we get VJax and Albert plays at his level, I can see winning the division. All the other teams play the same team 8 out of conference teams we do, but our parity games are StL and Tampa.

dallas is going to have a major challenge. I've mentioned the murderer's row Trent Williams will face ... the new dallas LT has the same challenges ('cept he'll face Orakpo, not ware) and that'll be a huge problem for them. philly has a new inexperienced QB and the jints have a few issues, plus eli is still only a bit above average.

Win the division? Make those 'ifs' into reality and we're in the thick of it.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | July 6, 2010 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Why are folks still talking about Vincent Jackson? He's not coming here. The Chargers are not moving him.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 6, 2010 10:01 PM | Report abuse

I don't know how you define generation but apartheid and its vestiges are not so far in the past that they don't color how people think or act today.

In any event, all the best to the Netherlands' flopping hordes.


Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 6, 2010 9:49 PM

Not sure my message was hysterical enough to warrant a thong reference. Just something to talk about. You're speaking for everyone. I can't even speak for all the idiot white cat owning Toyota drivers of North Kensington.

It just seems like you derive no enjoyment from watching soccer. That was a pretty badass game today. Four great goals. Five minutes of three minutes of stoppage. Bad calls...

And flopping. But it should tell you something that you're complaining, but The Cork is not.

Posted by: SMACK1 | July 6, 2010 10:07 PM | Report abuse

OK SMACK no one cares about SA's history anymore except me. And it was a great game today and I enjoyed it immensely. If I didn't know better I think my 6mo old liked it too judging from the reactions. And acknowledging a fact is not a complaint.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 6, 2010 10:15 PM | Report abuse

learnedhand

"Why are folks still talking about Vincent Jackson? He's not coming here. The Chargers are not moving him."


LOL!

Yeah, you're right, sir.

VJAX ain't coming here, and we'll be stuck with AH come the 29th.

It's a reality we all need to embrace, I guess.

It's just some of us like to spend a little time fatmouthing is all.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 6, 2010 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Apartheid
and Bantustans
One of the most fantastic experiments ever devised is
being tried in South Africa in the 1960's. What was first a
general desire for separation and subsequently became a
policy of segregation is now reaching its culmination in the
application of the philosophy of regional Apartheid. South
Africa is being divided into sections, some reserved for
Africans, others for whites only. Everywhere, signs are
being posted to indicate boundaries. If a white man is
entering black man's territory, he needs a permit; and if an
African is entering white man's land, he needs a pass. The
scheme is beyond belief for many observers, and, more
dangerously, many of its details are beyond the comprehen-
sion of its supporters. Here is a great, beautiful country,
where practically all that has been achieved has been the
result of cooperation between white and non-white, being
parceled, fragmented into separate units, none of which
will have all the grandeur of South Africa and all of which
will suffer from isolation and the kind of cramping which in
this vast continent of Africa is so rare.

My dad moved from Holland to SA in 1948. He wrote and published this in 1962, and got exiled. He took me there for three weeks when I was ten, and not to look for rhinos. He knows Nelson Mandela, but to be fair, he also knows Don Rickles.

We were talking about a sporting event.

Posted by: SMACK1 | July 6, 2010 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: SMACK1 | July 6, 2010 10:30 PM

What's your point? Because it's lost on me. I don't think I accused you or your family of anything. Like I said my original post was a bit tongue in cheek. There was no intent to offend your sensibilities or shall I say sensitivities.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 6, 2010 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Nobody cares but me...boo hoo. Might have something to do with it.

Posted by: SMACK1 | July 6, 2010 10:46 PM | Report abuse

"OK SMACK no one cares about SA's history anymore except me."

This was sarcasm. A failed attempt to bring the SA discussion to a close. I followed it by talking about football. But you have chosen to employ the oldest RI kung fu by turning an issue you revived on me. You doth protest too much sir.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 6, 2010 11:15 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, LH, sensitive subject for me. I had some grape drank now and I'm more mellower.

Posted by: SMACK1 | July 6, 2010 11:17 PM | Report abuse

So, Iran just banned mullets in an attempt to rid itself of "decadent western hair styles." In honor of this I bring back a once daily favorite...mullet night:

http://durtbagz.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/mullets.jpg

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 6, 2010 11:30 PM | Report abuse

scamp, that's horrifying.

SMACK and LH, I probably enjoyed your little back and forth this evening too much. I blame an abiding weakness for even a bit of that old "RI kung fu."

We really ought to be getting together for beers now and again. Goes a long way to making and keeping peace up here, I think. Alas... a virtual beer together will have to do. I raise my glass to you all.

Posted by: NateinthePDX | July 6, 2010 11:43 PM | Report abuse

My regards to Mrs. Snyder, the world needs more people like you.

My prediction, the competition at running back will be between Willie Parker and Ryan Torain, I believe UDFA Keiland Williams will make the team.

Forget about VJ! Its not going to happen, and get ready for the return of the drama beast, AH.

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Posted by: MimiAnsari | July 7, 2010 2:35 AM | Report abuse

And in other sports news the Clippers sign their next future ex-coach, one Vincent Del Negro.

Posted by: TheCork | July 7, 2010 4:20 AM | Report abuse

Mimi, keep politics off the blog, please. The last thing we need in a slow July is material almost guaranteed to start a blog riot...

Back to football...I don't get why people are up here hating on the "win now" approach. I would have liked to see a classic rebuild here as well, but I can see the value in doing it the way the Skins are doing it now.

Case in point: the New Orleans Saints. They were nothing short of putrid before they got Drew Brees. They got a coach with a proven system who also instilled discipline, paired him with a top-notch QB like Brees and they were instantly in the NFC title game. If you look back at that team, they got lucky with Colston in the 7th round and didn't have a whole heckuva lot else.

Compare that team to the Redskins. I would say we have more talent than that Saints team did, and certainly a more accomplished coach. I get that McNabb is a couple years older than Brees and I get that it'll take a minute to get the defense up to snuff. But I just think this league is set up to give every team a chance to jump up to the front of the line in any given season. I know the Saints play in an easier division than we do, but it's not out of the question to think that the other 3 teams in the division are looking at the possibility of a couple mediocre seasons and/or coaching changes. Crazier stuff has happened.

So while I don't think it's ideal, I do think this approach gives us a pretty good chance to compete for the next 3-5 years.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 7, 2010 5:36 AM | Report abuse

Since he's such a hot topic here...this is John Clayton's take on the VJ situation in SD:

"The Vincent Jackson mess in San Diego has me perplexed.

How can a third alternate to the Pro Bowl be willing to let his one-year, $3.268 million tender slip to $682,000? How can the Chargers box themselves into a corner by reducing his tender, tempting him to miss a good part of the regular season? And now that Jackson has been suspended for three games, how do the Chargers expect to get a Brandon Marshall-like trade value for him?

If any situation calls for an arbitrator, Jackson and the Chargers should be locked in a room until they reach a solution. This is a standoff in which both sides lose.

As a talent, Jackson is an unappreciated gem. He's evolved behind Antonio Gates and LaDainian Tomlinson, so he was rarely going to be better than the third option for Philip Rivers. But Jackson and Rivers connect on some of the toughest routes in football. Gates and Jackson probably catch more deep throws against tight coverage than any pass-catchers in football.

With a career 17.2-yard average and back-to-back 1,000-yard seasons, Jackson has put himself in position to ask for the $10 million a year price tag of Marshall or Larry Fitzgerald. But his timing was all wrong. The salary cap is temporarily gone and the six-year free agency requirement robbed Jackson of the chance to secure the big bucks. He was a restricted free agent in a year long-term deals were restricted by teams.

The other problem is the suspension. Jackson is operating under the notion he will wipe out his three-game suspension by not signing a contract until three weeks into the regular season. Remember, unsigned players can't be fined for holdouts because they aren't under contract. The team believes he would still have to serve three games if he signs three weeks into the regular season. What a mess.

Teams such as the Seahawks, Redskins and others will monitor Jackson's status, but a trade is unlikely. Rivers needs Jackson and Jackson needs to find a way of not surrendering this season or playing it for pennies on the dollar. Too bad this doesn't qualify for arbitration."

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 7, 2010 5:57 AM | Report abuse

More from John Clayton's mailbag...hate this trade idea:

Q: I have a proposed a trade involving the Redskins, Raiders and Patriots. The Redskins get G Logan Mankins from the Patriots. The Raiders get DT Albert Haynesworth from the Redskins. The Patriots get CB Nnamdi Asomugha from the Raiders. Haynesworth is labeled as selfish and has an immense contract that only the Raiders would probably be willing to take. Mankins wants a new contract and the Redskins have, well, a lot of money.

Matthew in Charlotte, N.C.

A: Several problems. Al Davis would never trade one of the best cornerbacks in the league. The Raiders temporarily resolved their defensive tackle issues by getting Richard Seymour to sign his franchise tender and adding John Henderson. Finally, Redskins coach Mike Shanahan is going to be stubborn and not trade Haynesworth, even though Haynesworth clearly is going to have a problem fitting back into the locker room.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 7, 2010 5:59 AM | Report abuse

Since it's so painfully ssssslow up here, NFL.com has a look at the top WRs in next year's draft:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81900f1c/article/nebraskas-paul-leads-list-of-intriguing-wrs-poised-to-enter-draft

Maybe I'm just partial to UNC, but I like Greg Little...seems like he'd be a nice fit here with that versatility.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 7, 2010 6:48 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: srobert1117 | July 6, 2010 8:31 PM

You don't even know what the cap will be and you talking about the teams available space. What big cap moves have the Skins done this year? The Skins will be shedding guaranteed $$ from the cap because of how AH, CP, Moss, Hall contract have been structured. All those players save Hall are likely gone after this year. All the FA they've signed this year aren't carry huge cap values. If it makes you feel better complaining about a hypothetical cap figure and such, knock yourself out. I just don't buy it. I agree that what Bruce did in Tampa is different from what he's doing here, but there's nothing wrong with it. Different team, players, lock room culture etc. However, they (BA and MH) had a plan to start the year and have followed script. They will have another plan next year and will follow script as well.

Posted by: TWISI

I have not said that they have made any big cap moves. I am saying that signing Vjax or anyone else to a big deal right now would be a bad idea. There is uncertainty as to what it is going to look like moving forward. There is a reason why teams are not signing their star players to big contracts.

If you don't think there is going to be a cap moving forward you are naive. The reason why the owners opted out and are putting the squeeze on the players is to lower the amount they are paying them.

Committing 10 mil a year to Vjax when you don't know the future financial restraints is foolish. You must have a direct line to management if you know what their plan was and whether or not they have deviated from it. I mean management always tells you that they deviated from their plan. What if their plan was to rebuild but when McNabb became available they decided to trade for him and change the plan to win now?

No one would have ever imagined they would land McNabb or the equivalent. So you don't think that altered the plan?

Posted by: srobert1117 | July 7, 2010 7:28 AM | Report abuse

Wow, we have slowed down...........into ALBERT HAYNESWORTH SPEED!!!!.........wait, a turtle is passing me by right now.........Albert Haynesworth speed sux.......when do we get to Darrell Green speed?

Posted by: monk811 | July 7, 2010 7:34 AM | Report abuse

Interesting article, brownie. I like this guy. Anyone with 5 consonants in a 6 letter name has to be a tough guy. And if he's ranked #11 in seniors, he should be available when we get to our only selection in the 2011 draft, our #7 round pick, after we trade all the rest of our picks for VJ. :)

11. Matthew Szczur

College: Villanova
Height/Weight: 5-11, 203

Szczur may be the most interesting player in college football. He does everything. He plays wide receiver (63 catches, eight touchdowns the last two years), running back and returns kicks. He is an outstanding special teams player with 4.5-type speed. Szczur was drafted by the Los Angeles Dodgers.

Posted by: frediefritz | July 7, 2010 7:36 AM | Report abuse

What if their plan was to rebuild but when McNabb became available they decided to trade for him and change the plan to win now?

Posted by: srobert1117 | July 7, 2010 7:28 AM


Good point...seems to me they were content to build this thru the draft this year and wait until 2011 to do all the heavy lifting. Could be that they made a reasonable deal for McNabb and felt that the progression could be more rapid than they thought.

But you also have to consider this: McNabb is in the last year of his deal and will command a big extention. Jammal Brown is in the last year of his deal and will command a big extention. Trent Williams will get big money since he's the 4th overall pick. I know we've done a great job of shedding salary to this point, but we really can't afford to throw a bunch of money at VJ right away if those other guys are first in line for extentions. Paying VJ first--before he ever plays a snap for the Redskins--would probably have an adverse affect in the locker room.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 7, 2010 7:40 AM | Report abuse

Thought for the Day

It’s feels good to have been De-Vinnified and Zorn-Free.

:)

Posted by: camp_fodder | July 7, 2010 8:09 AM | Report abuse

No one would have ever imagined they would land McNabb or the equivalent. So you don't think that altered the plan?

Posted by: srobert1117 | July 7, 2010 7:28 AM

A few of points. Every plan has contengency options built in, business 101. Second, the Skins had talked to Philly early in the offseason. Why, because everyone knew that the QB most likely to be traded was McNabb. Did they think it would happen..proally not, but they did have the foresight to explore that possibility. So yes, I think one of their contingencies was acquiring a veteran QB and either keeping JC as a backup or trading him. Third. I never said that there won't be a cap. I said we don't know what the cap value will be, how it will be calculated, the rookie wages against the cap etc. That is, it's way too early to be fretting about how tight the Skins are against the cap..we don't know that to be true. That into fact, that a bunch of players had front loaded contracts, AH, CP, Moss, DH and the Skins could have enough room. Finally, if you don't think the Skins will sign a player(s) to a $10 million in the future, then you are being unrealistic. The question each team has to face is which players get the top dollars. For example, the Vikings who seem to be well run will pay Farve $13 million this year. The Colts will pay Manning top $$. You pay the best players, who show the commitment you want the top dollars. I'm with brownwood26 and zcezcest1, there's nothing inherently wrong with the "win now" model, just commit to it fully in the year "you go for it"(The Pats did it when Bilicheat first git there, and then they got lucky with Brady). You just can't use that method every year at the expense of building with the draft. That's been the Skins problem.

Posted by: TWISI | July 7, 2010 8:14 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: TWISI | July 7, 2010 8:18 AM | Report abuse

Case in point: the New Orleans Saints. They were nothing short of putrid before they got Drew Brees. They got a coach with a proven system who also instilled discipline, paired him with a top-notch QB like Brees and they were instantly in the NFC title game. If you look back at that team, they got lucky with Colston in the 7th round and didn't have a whole heckuva lot else.

Compare that team to the Redskins. I would say we have more talent than that Saints team did, and certainly a more accomplished coach. I get that McNabb is a couple years older than Brees and I get that it'll take a minute to get the defense up to snuff. But I just think this league is set up to give every team a chance to jump up to the front of the line in any given season. I know the Saints play in an easier division than we do, but it's not out of the question to think that the other 3 teams in the division are looking at the possibility of a couple mediocre seasons and/or coaching changes. Crazier stuff has happened.

So while I don't think it's ideal, I do think this approach gives us a pretty good chance to compete for the next 3-5 years.

Posted by: brownwood26

Couple of differences in the two teams. The first draft under Payton they grabbed Bush, Evans(arguably best OG in NFL), Harper and Colston. All of those guys are starters and are pro bowl caliber players. Harper not yet but close. That was also when Brown was playing at a Pro-Bowl level. They also had a good veteran in Stinchecomb at RT. The offense was great. The defensive line was decent but the defense was not very good.

Brees of that year was better than any single season of McNabb. The skins are not getting the 27 year old McNabb. The other big difference is that year the NFC south was awful. The NFC East is much tougher than the 2006 NFC South.

The next two years after that first season they went 7-9, 8-8. If everything falls right, no injuries and McNabb plays at a really high level they may be able to do something similar.

I do agree that they should not trade for and throw big money at VJ. Too many other positions and players that are going to need to be addressed after this season.

Posted by: srobert1117 | July 7, 2010 8:18 AM | Report abuse

srobert, you and I have no idea how this draft class will pan out. It could be as good as the '06 Saints draft class or maybe not. All I'm saying is that it's not unprecedented for a team to go from worst-to-first without an extensive 3-5 years of building thru the draft.

Two things give you a shot at winning in this league: an elite coach and an elite QB. Having both puts you at an advantage that most teams in the NFL simply don't have.

And now we do.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 7, 2010 8:26 AM | Report abuse

srobert, you and I have no idea how this draft class will pan out. It could be as good as the '06 Saints draft class or maybe not. All I'm saying is that it's not unprecedented for a team to go from worst-to-first without an extensive 3-5 years of building thru the draft.

Two things give you a shot at winning in this league: an elite coach and an elite QB. Having both puts you at an advantage that most teams in the NFL simply don't have.

And now we do.

Posted by: brownwood26

Agreed. Don't know what this draft class is going to do. Do know that the Saints 2006 class was a great class for them.

I am just not as optimistic as you that McNabb is still an elite QB. I have never really been a McNabb fan.

Posted by: srobert1117 | July 7, 2010 8:30 AM | Report abuse

" I like Greg Little...seems like he'd be a nice fit here with that versatility.
Posted by: brownwood26"

Little's a good player, but the big prospect in that group is Terence Toliver, LSU. He's underperformed mostly because of the QB situation there. But there should be four or five (or six or seven) underclassmen go before any of these guys.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 7, 2010 8:30 AM | Report abuse

I do agree that they should not trade for and throw big money at VJ. Too many other positions and players that are going to need to be addressed after this season.

Posted by: srobert1117 | July 7, 2010 8:18 AM

Again one of those positions has to be at WR. Either by drafting a player (high) or re-signing their own (Moss UFA, Thomas and Kelly RFA after 2010). Do they pay VJ, I dunno..but they will pay someone.

Posted by: TWISI | July 7, 2010 8:34 AM | Report abuse

I am just not as optimistic as you that McNabb is still an elite QB. I have never really been a McNabb fan.

Posted by: srobert1117 | July 7, 2010 8:30 AM


I probably wouldn't be if he were in Philly being asked to shoulder the load. That won't be the case here. Shanahan will put a running game in place around McNabb and allow him to do what he does best...take advantage of the play action pass and buy more time to throw with rollouts and the such. McNabb's days of playing in an offense that passes 65% of the time are officially over.

I think this year you'll see McNabb's passing yardage and TDs go down and his completion % and QB rating go up. He probably won't be a dominant passer by the current standards, but he will be more efficient than he was in Philly.

And in this offense, that's all you need.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 7, 2010 8:36 AM | Report abuse

"The thing this year is we face some very good out of division teams (Tenn, Indy, Houston, for example)."

That's true. The Skins have to hope Philly and NY are weaker than in the past.

Posted by: Samson151 | July 7, 2010 8:40 AM | Report abuse

"....at the 50th national convention of Zeta Tau Alpha Fraternity for women in New Orleans."

Evidently, it's a slow time for copy editors, too.

"...Fraternity for women..."?

Is that possible?

And I know it's in poor taste to ask this, but if breast cancer survivors in a Nawlins' Mardi Gras parade are asked to show their boobies for beads, well, what do they do?

Just askin'.....

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 7, 2010 8:41 AM | Report abuse

back from vacation, camping in the Adirondacks, what'd I miss.........

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 7, 2010 8:42 AM | Report abuse

Again one of those positions has to be at WR. Either by drafting a player (high) or re-signing their own (Moss UFA, Thomas and Kelly RFA after 2010). Do they pay VJ, I dunno..but they will pay someone.

Posted by: TWISI

Here is the thing. VJ is going to be a free agent after this year. The amount of money he will command may be less depending on the collective bargaining agreement. If they do sign him to a big contract they are certainly going to need the draft picks to fill other spots. WR will need to be addressed but Moss, Thomas, Kelly and any player drafted will carry only a fraction of the cost of VJ. Next year should be the best free agent class ever because of the moving FA availability from 5 to 6 years. That could mean that they have 3 free agent classes coming available at once. This years 6th year guys, next years 6th year guys and next 5th year guys if the new agreement moves it back to 5 years.

Do you want to be on the sideline because you locked up a lot of money in McNabb, VJ, Twilliams and AH?

There is so much uncertainty as to what the cap is going to look like it does not make sense to give up picks and a huge contract to anyone this year.

Posted by: srobert1117 | July 7, 2010 8:44 AM | Report abuse

Welcome back Greg. You didn't miss a damn thing here. Just more VJ talk, sprinkled with some AH, and now folks are starting to question the "win now" direction of the team.

Typical RI offseason jibba-jabba for the most part.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 7, 2010 8:49 AM | Report abuse

yeah, I figured as much brown....much ado over nothing......

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 7, 2010 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Pretty much Greg...I forget your take on trading for VJ, refresh my memory.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 7, 2010 8:54 AM | Report abuse

srobert1117

"I am just not as optimistic as you that McNabb is still an elite QB. I have never really been a McNabb fan."

Not to argue, but I beg to differ:

Donovan McNabb is an elite quarterback.

He's got the Super Bowl game, several NFC Championships, and Pro Bowls to prove it.

He changes all of the redskin offensive dynamics with his presence alone.

The guy is a national media presence and leader of the stripe teams hope to draft every April.

But he doesn't have to be elite for us to win or be competitve as with CP/L Johnson, the running game will be the crutch to lean on he didn't have in Philly.

And that lack of a sound running game is what has killed the iggles' offense.

And so, he got pegged as not being elite in Philly in an offense that was half of what it should've been.

And where we'd like to add a big 6'5' 230 target for him, he will succeed in a two-tight end offense with Moss/D Thomas/Austin as downfield options.

We got us a star quarterback in D Mac, my friend.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 7, 2010 8:57 AM | Report abuse

brown, depends on what SD is looking for, if its AH, then by all means, make it happen cap'n....if its a 1st, or a 2nd, then sorry, I don't believe the team can afford to do that.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 7, 2010 8:58 AM | Report abuse

twisi

"I'm with brownwood26 and zcezcest1, there's nothing inherently wrong with the "win now" model, just commit to it fully in the year "you go for it".

I agree.

It's never good to be half-azzed about any direction you choose.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 7, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Well said, Moe. 100% agree.

Greg, looks like we're on the same page on VJ. If we can get him on the cheap or at the low, low price of getting AH off our hands, I'm all for it. IMO, anything else would be uncivilized.

Best case scenario is Devin Thomas mans up and plays like our very own VJ. Here's hoping...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 7, 2010 9:04 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: srobert1117 | July 7, 2010 8:44 AM

Look my argument isn't if to sign VJ or not, so I'll steer clear of that. You could be right about the FA class next year. And waiting it out can be an option. The question the Skin's have to ask is how the WR FA class next year compares to what can be had this year. Also, they have to determine if DT or MK fit into their plan as #1 WR. Why, because a #1 WR acquired via FA will cost about 8-10 million a year and that's what the Skins sorely need (#1 WR). If you draft another WR early, you'd also better be willing to wait for him to come along. The question is will McNabb be waiting will the youngin gets coached up, or will he move on to greener fields.

Posted by: TWISI | July 7, 2010 9:09 AM | Report abuse

I think this year you'll see McNabb's passing yardage and TDs go down and his completion % and QB rating go up. He probably won't be a dominant passer by the current standards, but he will be more efficient than he was in Philly.

And in this offense, that's all you need.

Posted by: brownwood26

His yardage and TD numbers were not very high last year. He averaged 31 attempts per game. 22nd in the league in total attempts. As a comparison Cutler averaged 38 attempts a game and 616 total in Shanny's last year in denver. He was 2nd in attempts.

Throwing for less than 22 TDs is not a good year for any QB much less an elite QB.

I am also not convinced the running game will be great. The Oline is a work in progress. The RBs are old and past the age where they are typically productive.

His completion percentage and rating may go up but it won't be because he is throwing it any less. His yardage and TDs should definitely not go down.

Posted by: srobert1117 | July 7, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

MistaMoe wrote:

"But he doesn't have to be elite for us to win or be competitve as with CP/L Johnson, the running game will be the crutch to lean on he didn't have in Philly."

CP has not provided a crutch in a year and a half of play, and L Johnson hasn't scored a TD since 2008. McNabb is learning a new offense for the first time in over a decade.

Philly, for not having a running game, had a running back who could break games open from anywhere on the field--running, catching, or returning punts--in Brian Westbrook. When is the last time we've had a RB who could break games open? Now, an aging, injury-plagued Westbrook is still being sought out by teams like the Skins. He was THAT good.

Posted by: Alan4 | July 7, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse

beantowne

"...back from vacation, camping in the Adirondacks, what'd I miss..."

You went to the mountains while me and mrsmoe went to Marco Island for four days.

Hope you had fun.

I did.

(INSERT teenage boy snickers at the hint of sex and depravity.)

mrsmoe is like the Gulf of Mexico as she's more interesting if oil is spilled on her.

Meanwhile, the AL East is somewhat what it was days ago:

New York 52 31

Tampa Bay 50 33

Boston 49 35

Toronto 41 43

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 7, 2010 9:15 AM | Report abuse

moe, had a blast, some really beautiful country up there, sounds like you did as well....wink/wink...

yeah, right now the sox are holding open tryouts for all the position players, they're missing, Youk/Pedrioia/Beckett/Buckholz/VMart/JVaritek/JEllsbury.....just unprecedented injuries...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 7, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

His completion percentage and rating may go up but it won't be because he is throwing it any less. His yardage and TDs should definitely not go down.

Posted by: srobert1117 | July 7, 2010 9:10 AM


I say they're going down because we'll be running for more TDs than we'll pass for and because we'll be passing much less.

I think he'll get between 17-20 TD passes. That's not a bad total if you're a run-heavy team.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 7, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Wade and Bosh in Miami..

And LJ is holding a press conference to announce his decision. Man he really should have gone to college, not for the education, but he clearly missed out on the whole recruitment and press conference thing.

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 7, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

And LJ is holding a press conference to announce his decision. Man he really should have gone to college, not for the education, but he clearly missed out on the whole recruitment and press conference thing.

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 7, 2010 9:24 AM


LOL...yeah, and ESPN will be enabling that pretentious bullsh*t like only they can. What a total and complete farce, the whole f-ing process.

I really thought Wade would go to Chicago, but I guess that's not happening.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 7, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

is it wrong of me to hope that during the LJ press conference, the entire building collapses, and everyone inside is killed.....

Bron is all about Bron. Not winning. But Bron.

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 7, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

alan4

"CP has not provided a crutch in a year and a half of play, and L Johnson hasn't scored a TD since 2008."


Combine the reality of a vastly improved redskin offensive line and a reportedly re-dedicated Clinton Portis and you get the image of an improved running game.

And Johnson or Parker or whomever just has to take the rock from time to time, not be the second coming of Larry Czonka to Portis' Mercury Morris.

And as for the iggles' running attack with B Westbrook, it seemed to me the team only ran the ball to take a break from throwing it so much.

Quick: if B Westbrook was such a dominate runner for the iggles, how many 1,000 rushing seasons did he accumulate?

In seven seasons, he's amassed 5990 yards--that averages out to just 855 yards per year.

Clinton Portis as both a redskin and bronco has amassed 9676 yards over 8 seasons--that's 1200 yards per year.

As a running back, Portis beats Westbrook hands down.

Me?: I'm taking my chances with a healthy Portis, improved line, and elite quarterback, my friend.

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 7, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

I think he'll get between 17-20 TD passes. That's not a bad total if you're a run-heavy team.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 7, 2010 9:24 AM

So a little over 1 TD per game. You must have the trend that he set with the Eagles where he misses a few games per year.

If JC threw for 20 TDs w/ Zorn/Lewis then I would hope that DM could do better with Shanny (s) and a much improved OL.

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 7, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

He's got the Super Bowl game, several NFC Championships, and Pro Bowls to prove it.

He changes all of the redskin offensive dynamics with his presence alone.

The guy is a national media presence and leader of the stripe teams hope to draft every April.

But he doesn't have to be elite for us to win or be competitve as with CP/L Johnson, the running game will be the crutch to lean on he didn't have in Philly.

If McNabb were 5 years younger, I would agree. I also strongly disagree that CP and LJ make up a strong running back group. Running backs have a limited shelf life. CP and LJ have 8 and 9 years of hard wear and tear on them. RBs rapidly decline.

Posted by: srobert1117 | July 7, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

diesel44

"And LJ is holding a press conference to announce his decision."


LeBron James will join Chris Bosh and Dwayne Wade in Miami, my friend.

And on Sunday, Germany will win the World Cup.

Book it!!!!!

Posted by: MistaMoe | July 7, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Moe-

That may happen, However the Heat would have to fill out 4-12 on the roster with you, me, BW26, Bean, TWISI, freddie, smack, Rotfrau..

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 7, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

If JC threw for 20 TDs w/ Zorn/Lewis then I would hope that DM could do better with Shanny (s) and a much improved OL.

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 7, 2010 9:33 AM


OK, maybe I'm throwing out an overly conservative estimate. But I wouldn't expect to see anything more than the 22 he threw last year.

The beast year Brad Johnson had here in '99 he threw "only" 24. So if you have a productive ground game, you don't need your QB to throw for 30 TDs, per se.

So more than anything, I'm making the point that it's not all gonna be on McNabb's shoulders here. As long as he's directing the offense to points, it doesn't matter whether it's coming from his arm or from the RBs. I just happen to think it'll be more rushing TDs than passing TDs.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 7, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

That may happen, However the Heat would have to fill out 4-12 on the roster with you, me, BW26, Bean, TWISI, freddie, smack, Rotfrau..

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 7, 2010 9:43 AM


I don't have game quite like I used to, but I can certainly sit on the 3 point line and pop jumpers all night. I mean, if Dennis Scott could do it all those years....

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 7, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

bw26-

I agree. McNabb threw >60% of the time under Reid and with Shanny (s), I think the % will be in the low 50s.

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 7, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

MistaMoe:

"As a running back, Portis beats Westbrook hands down."

As a traditional running back, surely. But as a threat out of the backfield, it's a lot more even. Portis never had the hands Westbrook had. As much as people deride JC for dumping off passes instead of going downfield, McNabb was able to dump off to Westbrook to the tune of 426 passes for 3,790 yards. That may not count in Westbrook's rushing statitics, but it's a high percentage pass and helped McNabb pad his passing and TD numbers over the years.

In 2006, Westbrook accounted for 31.4% of the Iggles offense.

In 2007, Westbrook accounted for 36.7% of the Iggles offense.

In 2008, Westbrook accounted for 23.9% of the Iggles offense.

Westbrook was a serious threat on a winning team.

Posted by: Alan4 | July 7, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Alan4/Moe

rushing: adv Portis
out of the backfield: Westbrook
picking up a blitz: Portis

It's that simple, this is why we offered a contract to West because he and Portis are the exact opposite of each other.

Posted by: Diesel44 | July 7, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Wonders how that would sound.....

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 6, 2010 4:40 PM

in fact, not very exciting...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_EsxukdNXM

Posted by: moodlymoodlymoo | July 6, 2010 5:51 PM

MOL!!!

2 Questions.

1. How long until you hit the slaughterhouse?

2. Do White and brown cows get along?

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 7, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Quick: if B Westbrook was such a dominate runner for the iggles, how many 1,000 rushing seasons did he accumulate?

In seven seasons, he's amassed 5990 yards--that averages out to just 855 yards per year.

Clinton Portis as both a redskin and bronco has amassed 9676 yards over 8 seasons--that's 1200 yards per year.

As a running back, Portis beats Westbrook hands down.

Me?: I'm taking my chances with a healthy Portis, improved line, and elite quarterback, my friend.

Posted by: MistaMoe

Wesbrook during his healthy years averaged about 700 yards receiving. The eagles used screens to westbrook as more or less running plays.

I am not as confident that these players are all of the sudden going to find the fountain of youth. McNabb will be 34 this year.

I don't consider him an elite QB anymore. He was a very good QB last year but not in the top 10. I guess our definitions of elite are different. There are at least 10 starting QBs that I would take over him this year.

I am saying that he is no longer elite not that he never was. The last 5 years he has not been able to stay healthy and his stats have declined significantly.

Posted by: srobert1117 | July 7, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Next year should be the best free agent class ever because of the moving FA availability from 5 to 6 years. That could mean that they have 3 free agent classes coming available at once. This years 6th year guys, next years 6th year guys and next 5th year guys if the new agreement moves it back to 5 years.
Posted by: srobert1117 | July 7, 2010 8:44 AM | Report abuse

This must be the new math. Only 2 years draft picks will be UFA next year. The players drafted in 2005 would have been eligible in 2010, but the change made them wait until 6 years of experience. If there is a new agreement making it 5 years again, the 2005 class will be eligible, and the 2006 class will also have 5 years experience. 2007 draft class will only have 4 years experience, and will have to wait until 2012 to have 5 years experience.

Posted by: frediefritz | July 7, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Like I said last week....

LJ23 will be staying @ Cleveland. He was just trying to gain some hype the only time he can since he doesn't win Championships.

He will not go to MIA, because he won't be the leader and Shaq won there recently.

Book it!

(But there is an outside chance he goes to NYC/Brooklyn)

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 7, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

4th, if LBJ is smart he'll stay in Cleveland but I'm not so sure he's smart. Part of me hopes he goes to NY so he dies ringless...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 7, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

I realize that this is the NFL's slowest time of the year, but good lord, has RI absolutely gone in the tank or what? No analysis or anything for days on end? I'd even take an AH update from them. RI just isn't what it used to be.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | July 7, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

4th, if LBJ is smart he'll stay in Cleveland but I'm not so sure he's smart. Part of me hopes he goes to NY so he dies ringless...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 7, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse
__________

He's an egomaniac like no other, even for the NBA. I'd like nothing better than to see him go ringless. Heard on the radio the other day that his "people" want to ensure that he is put in a position where he will win 7 titles in the next 10 years (which, of course would be him in the lead for rings in the last 4 decades). How obnoxious. No team has done that since the '60s. How about focusing on one first?

Posted by: skinsfan713 | July 7, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

2. Do White and brown cows get along?

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 7, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Let's be careful about the racist comments, please. I may have to hit the Report Abuse button.

Posted by: frediefritz | July 7, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

A great big boo to Lebron for the 1 hour special to announce where he's signing and a great bigger boo to ESPN for enabling him. If he wants to help the Boys and Girls Clubs of America make a donation out of that $100M guaranteed contract you're about to sign.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 7, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

He's an egomaniac like no other, even for the NBA. I'd like nothing better than to see him go ringless. Heard on the radio the other day that his "people" want to ensure that he is put in a position where he will win 7 titles in the next 10 years (which, of course would be him in the lead for rings in the last 4 decades). How obnoxious. No team has done that since the '60s. How about focusing on one first?

Posted by: skinsfan713 | July 7, 2010 10:31 AM |

Sh!t like this makes me laugh. I guess the guy should just shoot for mediocre. Of course he wants to win as much as possible as quickly as possible. Wouldn't be much of a competitor if he didn't. Oh, and at least that egomaniac is doing great things for some nice organizations, charities, etc. Not condoning selfishness, mind you, and there's no doubt the guy has a king sized ego but why pound a guy that tries to do good with some of what he's been given?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 7, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Wow...I'm watching last night's NFL Total Access and they're doing this "Best in the Biz" series. It's bad enough they don't have Chris Cooley in the Top 5 TEs, but they don't even give the guy an honorable mention.

CC is gonna have to do like Jay-Z..."allow me to reintroduce myself"...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 7, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Brownwood, he's not even the best TE on his team. Allow me to introduce you to Fred Davis.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 7, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Sh!t like this makes me laugh. I guess the guy should just shoot for mediocre. Of course he wants to win as much as possible as quickly as possible. Wouldn't be much of a competitor if he didn't. Oh, and at least that egomaniac is doing great things for some nice organizations, charities, etc. Not condoning selfishness, mind you, and there's no doubt the guy has a king sized ego but why pound a guy that tries to do good with some of what he's been given?

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 7, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse
_________

I don't have a problem with him trying to win as much as possible - that's good. I happen to think he cares far more about himself and marketing the "LeBron" brand than actually winning, but that's another topic entirely. My problem with this is the subtle implication that the self-proclaimed "King" is somehow entitled to more titles than anyone has won, in any sport, since the '60s Celtics (gag). All good players talk about wanting to win championships, but you won't hear any of them talk like that.

You're from Ohio, right? Are you a fan of the Cavs? How do the people of Ohio feel about him? Personally, I'm sick of him. I don't believe that his game will translate very well when he gets older and starts to lose a step, so I think his "window" is smaller than he thinks it is. Thankfully.

Posted by: skinsfan713 | July 7, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

CC is gonna have to do like Jay-Z..."allow me to reintroduce myself"...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 7, 2010 10:43 AM

So who do they have as the top 5 TEs?

Posted by: TWISI | July 7, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Wow...I'm watching last night's NFL Total Access and they're doing this "Best in the Biz" series. It's bad enough they don't have Chris Cooley in the Top 5 TEs, but they don't even give the guy an honorable mention.

CC is gonna have to do like Jay-Z..."allow me to reintroduce myself"...

Posted by: brownwood26

Are they basing it off of last year or predicting this year's top 5? He did miss most of last year with an injury.

The top 5 guys stat wise are not too shabby either. Clark, Witten, Gonzalez, Gates and Davis. Not sure he goes ahead of any of those guys. Healthy he is definitely top 10.

Posted by: srobert1117 | July 7, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Of course he wants to win as much as possible as quickly as possible. Wouldn't be much of a competitor if he didn't.

Posted by: scampbell1975 | July 7, 2010 10:37 AM


Great competitor: quietly sets goals for greatness and works tirelessly to make them a reality

Great egomaniac: tells everyone who will listen that he wants a ridiculous amount of success and falls short because he set the bar too high publicly.


LeBron is the latter.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 7, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Brownwood, he's not even the best TE on his team. Allow me to introduce you to Fred Davis.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 7, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse
________

Not sure about that. Davis appears to have more natural ability than Cooley, but Cooley has proven over years that he can deliver the big catch over the middle, time and time again. Davis only had a good half of one season, so I'll reserve judgment until this season is at least underway before deciding who's better. I think one of them could eventually be trade bait, though, if Davis really does pan out. How are they possibly going to consistently use two good pass catching, but mediocre blocking, TEs, short of some strange formations?

Posted by: skinsfan713 | July 7, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

The TEs they named yesterday were all Bullcrap....

@LH - The one hour special isn't about the B&G Clubs....That was an excuse to make it about him....the last lil bit of attention he'll get since he's going back to Cleveland......(But with a small chance to go to NYC team)....

You still got him going to CHI?

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 7, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

So who do they have as the top 5 TEs?

Posted by: TWISI | July 7, 2010 10:49 AM


1. Tony Gonzalez
2. Antonio Gates
3. Jason Witten
4. Dallas Clark
5. Vernon Davis/Jermichael Finley

First of all, I get that Cooley was hurt and didn't make the list. But they after they "unveil" the list, they talk honorable mention and Cooley didn't come up. Brent f-ing Celek gets honorable mention, but not a 2 time Pro-Bowler coming off injury in a TE friendly offense. Completely unacceptable.

Back to the list...laughable that Witten is ahead of Dallas Clark. Witten got 2 TDs all year and he's ahead of a TE that goes for 100 catches, 1,100+ yards, and 10 TDs. Most WRs can't touch those numbers. Cowboy bias is pretty obvious right there.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 7, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Sh!t like this makes me laugh. I guess the guy should just shoot for mediocre. Of course he wants to win as much as possible as quickly as possible. Wouldn't be much of a competitor if he didn't. Oh, and at least that egomaniac is doing great things for some nice organizations, charities, etc. Not condoning selfishness, mind you, and there's no doubt the guy has a king sized ego but why pound a guy that tries to do good with some of what he's been given?

Posted by: scampbell1975


Unbelievable!

You rip Kobe for being self-serving and ego driven then give Lebron the ol' attaboy when he does it? Maybe you can't see through the grandstanding "King" James loves to put on for the masses.


Biggest difference between the two:

Kobe doesn't put on a front that he's not an arrogant jerk. Lebron goes outta of his through posing and fronting like he isn't.

Don't be fooled by the "Ol' Bron-Bron luv da kidz" crap. Lebron isn't doing this for nothing else BESIDES the Lebron brand. He's a narcissistic d-bag phoney who deserves anything that should come his way. It's about time people are starting to see through the act job!!!

F Lebron f-ing James.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Lebron ain't going to Miami. He'll play 2nd fiddle to Wade, cuz Miami is "Wade County". Lebron's ego would NEVER allow him to do that.

Lebron is either going to stay in Cleveland (which I hope he does, 'cause he's never winning sh*t there) or go to NYC and play.


Me personally: I'd just wish the overrated barrel of dog spunk would just go away forever.


Hot DAMN it feels good to be back!!!! What up RI?!?!?!?!?!

Posted by: RedDMV | July 7, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Charles Davis breaks down his "Best in the Biz" for tight ends in the league today.

1. Tony Gonzalez
2. Antonio Gates
3. Jason Witten
4. Dallas Clark
5. Jermichael Finely*
Vernon Davis*

* Tied

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 7, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Brownwood, he's not even the best TE on his team. Allow me to introduce you to Fred Davis.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 7, 2010 10:46 AM


Don't be an idiot...FD may be talented and he might even end up being a big-time player, but TODAY Cooley is the better player. Arguing otherwise is pure insanity.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 7, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Don't be fooled by the "Ol' Bron-Bron luv da kidz" crap. Lebron isn't doing this for nothing else BESIDES the Lebron brand. He's a narcissistic d-bag phoney who deserves anything that should come his way. It's about time people are starting to see through the act job!!!

F Lebron f-ing James.
__________

That and a donation to Boys and Girls Club is a tax break for someone, either him personally or some corporate entity controlled by him. He's certainly not altruistically doing anything for "da kidz".

Posted by: skinsfan713 | July 7, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Way to roll up in here guns blazin', Red...welcome back, my friend.

You and I differ in opinion on Kobe, but we're seeing eye to eye on LeBron. The media fellatio he enjoys is utterly sickening considering he hasn't won even a single game in the Finals, let alone a championship. If the basketball gods are truly just, they'll make sure this pretentious d-bag never lifts a championship trophy in his life.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 7, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Thanks BW26 and 4th Floor. I can't see Witten ahead of Clark too. I would also think a top 5 list would include a player(s) who has shown solid production for more than one year.

Posted by: TWISI | July 7, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Sup Reds....

I see you back ripping my predictions....lololol...

Remember, SCamp from oHIo....

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 7, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

red, welcome back, where ya been....

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 7, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

4th, I know the special isn't about the B&G Club rather it is intended to benefit the organization. Lebron's team proposed that they would sell the ad time and donate the proceeds to B&G Club of America.

With Wade going back to Miami I'm not so sure about James going to Chi. But if titles are what he's after, they aren't in Cleveland with that roster. They have no post scoring or any legit big.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 7, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

I can't see Witten ahead of Clark too. I would also think a top 5 list would include a player(s) who has shown solid production for more than one year.

Posted by: TWISI | July 7, 2010 11:10 AM


Exactly...I get that it's a delicate balance between not loading up the list with the most productive players of '09 (one year wonders like Vernon Davis) and a career achievement "award" (like Gonzalez), but adding Finley as tied for 5th is crazy. I mean, if you're gonna do a top 5 list put only 5 people on the list. Don't go half steppin'...sh*t or get off the pot, man.

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 7, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

brownwood, you grow up you prepubescent in an adolescent's body. Why must you little boys resort to name calling when you disagree with someone. And believing that FD is better than Cooley in no way rises to level of idiocy. The season will bear out all.

Posted by: learnedhand1 | July 7, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

I know you understand that part...I was just saying it's still all phony...It's what he decided to use as his 'cover'....

Top 5 TEs:

1. Gates
2. Clark
3. V Davis
4. Gonzolez
5. Witten

Posted by: 4thFloor | July 7, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Damn it...Kevin Durant signed an extension with the Thunder. There goes my Wizards prediction for 2012...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 7, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

VDavis, needs to have another good season/2 before he's up that high, IMO....How many years has he put up good numbers?? IIRC, its just the 1...

Posted by: BeantownGreg1 | July 7, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

lh, saying a guy with 51 career catches is better than a multiple Pro-Bowler makes no logical sense. FD was clearly productive with CC out and I'll grant you that. Saying he's better when he has yet to play with CC healthy and in the lineup is shortsighted at best.

BTW...the only one name calling is you, buddy. Saying "don't be an idiot" isn't the same as "you are an idiot". So either get yourself some reading comprehension skills or see someone about your low self esteem. Choice is yours...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 7, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Beep beep, y'all...non-update update...

Posted by: brownwood26 | July 7, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

What up 4th and Brown/Beans?

Brown/Beans? BB-Boys? See the trend? Remember though, you heard it hear first.

Been earning and burning... snapping necks and cashing checks.


Nah, just a little vay-cay. Nothing big, just doing a little traveling through the Southeast -- ATL, MIA, ORL.... perfect timing too. Soccer & and the Lebron James show doesn't do it for me when it comes to sports.

F Lebron and to a lesser extent, but not all that much, F soccer with their BLATANT flopping and BLATANT phantom calls.

What's the pulse of the board these days? I see Vincent Jackson is a hot topic here.

Too bad he ain't leaving the Chargers.

Oh, and Haynesworth will be on the roster come opening day.

Posted by: RedDMV | July 7, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

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