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Taxed Out

There's no real news, but it's raining cats and dogs (and I just stepped in a poodle!!! hahahahaha!!!) and heaven knows we need a new entry because you've been blogging your guts out.
Because Monday is a DC holiday (Emancipation Day), you don't have to file your taxes until Tuesday. Which is good if you owe money. But, if you don't pay, do they really come after you? I mean, look at Marc Anthony, the singer not the guy with Cleopatra. He's about $2.5m behind and it doesn't seem to be a federal case, so to speak. I'm thinking that if a person, say, owed, say, one thousand four hundred and two dollars, I -- I mean, that person -- could go quite a while without paying, no? Unless that person, say, posted it on, say, a Redskins Insider blog, a place that has to count among its trillions a coupla IRS agents.
I instantly regret this post. (Gratuitous "Arrested Development" reference.)

By Cindy Boren  |  April 15, 2007; 12:38 PM ET
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Posted by: Kenny | April 15, 2007 12:45 PM | Report abuse

The Snow Cam isn't so good at rainfall. Sigh.

Posted by: Cindy | April 15, 2007 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Cindy or Jason: Do you have any draft knowledge regarding the Redskins? I mean, we are like days away. Drop it like it's hot.

Posted by: The Governor | April 15, 2007 1:04 PM | Report abuse

The thing is - the Skins are not going to tell the media who they are going to draft.

Posted by: Lisa | April 15, 2007 1:38 PM | Report abuse

cindy, unless i missed the joke (totally possible...) you meant IRS and not IRA...

so who the skins investigated the "heck" out and select in this year's draft?

is the season over yet?

i feel bad for snyder. i know he has like gazillions of dollars but there's something that money can't buy (like a championship) for everything else there's...Snydercard

he must feel empty, hollow. his own nanny that he paid $200K/year tried to sue him (and won). his own backyard doesn't even belong to him.

well at least he has tomkat and his amusement parks. ohh and a raquetball partner.

Posted by: dealer | April 15, 2007 1:57 PM | Report abuse

What Lisa said.
Here's what the Redskins are doing at the moment: Meeting nonstop from early in the morning until late at night. They're doing diligence on all the players available. I don't think they could say, even if they would, at this moment who they will draft. I'm sure they're continuing to talk to other teams about deals.

Posted by: Cindy | April 15, 2007 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Yes, IRS. Sleepy. And it's raining.

Posted by: Cindy | April 15, 2007 1:59 PM | Report abuse

gov, i have draft knowledge. whomever the skins select won't have any impact in the coming season or at all. so why is everyone stressin? i'm hoping for either jamarcus russel or calvin johnson. btw i was the first one on here who started hooterin and hollarin over calvin johnson. i want an insider prize if the skins select him.

speaking of which. how about my boy spurrier standing up against what's wrong with this country (the confed flag)! woohoo! my hero! really if any of you ever feel the urge to do something nice for me please hook me up with a dinner with Mr. Spurrier. the only celeb i ever want to meet before i die. ohh wait...i don't mean that i'll die right after...

where's the OG insider crew? p diddy? did he finally get a job? lisa's around. nate was missing for a whole week it seemed. and jm220 showed up to argue malcom X? ohhh i wonder how jason's doing. i wonder if he wishes he was back at work yet.

btw, weather in dc: SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

nate, i owe you an email...hold on...i is busy...

Posted by: dealer | April 15, 2007 2:07 PM | Report abuse

seriously shrinks must love this kinda weather.

anyone know a good shrink?

speaking of sopranos buddy was disappointed with the last episode but i wasn't...partly because had a preview and i was totally resigned to the fact that it was going to suck. so i thought it was okay. they whacked someone at least...

Posted by: dealer | April 15, 2007 2:14 PM | Report abuse

okay on a totally serious note. no bs. no "p-tending".

i have a question for you guys. why do we chose to live in this area? when we have the choice to either move to florida and or california?

jobs? yes, there's not a better place in the whole world for jobs. but we give up so much (of our lives) and ourselves. all because of jobs? i'm just trying to figure out why people move here from all over the country. so that i don't come running back to this area.

so i ask you why are you here in wash, dc, crappy weather area? where a good weekend weather is treated as a metro holly day. can't we start to live before retirement?

Posted by: dealer | April 15, 2007 2:21 PM | Report abuse

I live here because I like the East Coast, I like the pace, I like the changing seasons, I like the "challenges" that weather provides to my fellow citizens.
I thought last week's "Sopranos" was slow, but what's better than the Janice-Tony family dynamic? There was a minor whacking to boot. After being away so long, I was happy just to see them again. I do, however, expect it to pick up tonight.
Very happy to see Spurrier express his opinions on the Confederate flag.

Posted by: Cindy | April 15, 2007 2:29 PM | Report abuse

dealer, I'm from Florida, Miami specifically. It's overrated. I grew tired of Santas in short pants. I didn't go to the beach anymore than I would now go to the Air and Space Museum. The thought of being a Dolphins fan. Ugh.

Most people in California are fruitcakes. I like it here, with my stress, my fear, my frustration. I prefer a world with more considerations than the relative organicness of my mango. I have issues (obviously) that cannot be solved by meditation and dandelion tea.

Where else can you get in your car for three hours and be at the beach, the mountains, NYC? And we have two international airports that will take you to Europe dirt cheap, cool restaurants, great concert arenas like 9:30 and Black Cat. I've been here 22 years, and am fixin' to stay despite the futile sports teams.

You could be in Dallas watching a NASCAR race. What's a little rain?

Posted by: SMACK | April 15, 2007 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Any fans of the "Larry Sanders Show?" The new DVD is getting great reviews. I was thinking of spending my tax refund on it...oh, wait...,,20033916,00.html

Posted by: Cindy | April 15, 2007 2:52 PM | Report abuse

And we have the best newspaper in the world.

Posted by: SMACK | April 15, 2007 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, Smack! You did mean The Post, didn't you?

Posted by: Cindy | April 15, 2007 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Of course. The Post is easily the only 35 cent item I would gladly beat somebody up for stealing from my front yard. You're undercharging. It should be $5 a day. But you didn't hear that here.

Posted by: SMACK | April 15, 2007 3:21 PM | Report abuse


All I can say about the IRS is to watch "Stranger Than Fiction". Then contact your local IRS agent, make him cookies, and then sleep with him and you'll be good to go.

Did I mention that I work for the IRS?

Posted by: Agent Larry Bud | April 15, 2007 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Like Tony Soprano picking up the Star-Ledger on his driveway!
While I think that $5 might be too much (we could charge $5 million and just sell one copy a day!), I do think that we could charge 50 cents. But Don Graham (who hopefully is reading this...) is committed to keeping the paper affordable for everyone. Very commendable.

Posted by: Cindy | April 15, 2007 3:25 PM | Report abuse

I did see "Stranger Than Fiction" and thought it was very nice. I didn't apply it to my own situation, tho. Thanks, Larry Bud!

Posted by: Cindy | April 15, 2007 3:32 PM | Report abuse

I'm in NYC this weekend, and I've decided to build an ark. I'm accumulating two of everything: blondes, brunettes, redheads, etc.

You guys think this weather is bad? Try living in Seattle! Yikes!

There is NO NEWS. That's why RI is reporting NO NEWS. We're in that quiet period before the, the 2-3 days leading up to the Annual Selection Meeting, that'll be fun...

Posted by: P Diddy | April 15, 2007 3:33 PM | Report abuse

I loved "Stranger than Fiction". Surprisingly well written. Most movies and books about novelists are horribly self-serving (oh, look at me, I'm a writer and I'm suffering. Gag me.)

"Stranger than Fiction" was very well done, and pretty well acted, too.

Posted by: P Diddy | April 15, 2007 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Confidentially, Larry Bud, just between us....they would come after this person if he/she didn't pay, right? And ... is blogging your guts out deductible? What if this person took Redskins Nation as dependents?

Posted by: Cindy | April 15, 2007 3:35 PM | Report abuse

I think if Tony had actually bent down to pick up his paper last week, it might have been too much action for me to handle.

Okay $5 a day would be about what I pay for Cable TV and internet. Sounds a little high. But then it is also about the cost of a copy of Maxim. Try reading that crap every day.

Posted by: SMACK | April 15, 2007 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Maxim rocks. The articles are fabulous.

Having been audited twice now, I can say, they do come after you, but in that soft-pedaled white collar way. Of course, I paid up immediately because good credit is invaluable in this universe of ours, but all they'd do is place a lien on your stuff and garnish your wages.

I did deduct quite a bit for blogging my guts out this year, though. I listed it as a hobby and deducted my laptop and DirecTV bill for it. All you have to do is prove that you're going to make money off of the hobby someday, and you're golden. At some point, someone is going to pay me to write this stuff up here.

Posted by: P Diddy | April 15, 2007 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Diddy, you're complaining about rain!
You won't be there April 26-27, will you? I have to be in the city for annual meetings with commissioners of all the leagues.

Posted by: Cindy | April 15, 2007 3:38 PM | Report abuse

BTW, I have to say, after 20 years of dating chicks, I'm still completely dumbfounded by their behavior. Is it me, or are they all insane? Even the ones that seem normal tend to go into some crazy meltdown, inablity-to-make-a-decision mode on me.

I'm going to use RI to vent my guts out today...

This weather is pretty fun, by the way. I'm sitting at a Starbucks in Midtown watching the world fall apart around me...

Posted by: P Diddy | April 15, 2007 3:42 PM | Report abuse

I'm going to advise this person to pay his/her taxes....Not all chicks are insane, Diddy. Perhaps you inspire them!

Posted by: Cindy | April 15, 2007 3:44 PM | Report abuse

I could EASILY be in town April 26-27. Hilarious that all the Commissioners get together. Will Commissioner Gordon be there, too?

Posted by: P Diddy | April 15, 2007 3:45 PM | Report abuse

If The Post only printed one copy tomorrow, that sucker would probably go for about $20 million. It's gimmicky, but what the hell, give it a try.

Posted by: SMACK | April 15, 2007 3:48 PM | Report abuse

All their offices are in NYC! NHL/NBA/MLB/NFL are within about a six-block area. NASCAR, too, but I don't think we're meeting with them. Sports editors from around the country fly in for the two days of meetings.

Posted by: Cindy | April 15, 2007 3:48 PM | Report abuse

It isn't the worst idea ever, is it, SMACK?

Posted by: Cindy | April 15, 2007 3:49 PM | Report abuse

What do all the Commissioners talk about? Doping, I assume, is on the list. What else?

If Commissioner Gordon showed up, he'd OWN the place.

Posted by: P Diddy | April 15, 2007 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Batman is my favorite of the super heroes, so it would be pretty sweet to hang with Commish Gordon.
The meetings can be very helpful. Doping, certainly, is discussed. The NFL commissioner will hear about increasingly limited access to players, for one thing.

Posted by: Cindy | April 15, 2007 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Nearly all of the pro athletes I've met are VERY standoffish. But I suppose it's a defense mechanism of sorts. With that much money and notoriety, they get pulled (and hoodwinked) in a number of directions. I can absolutely empathize.

Lisa's beloved Shawn Springs was one of the lone exceptions in my experience...

Posted by: P Diddy | April 15, 2007 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Good one Diddy. Maxim is the worst part of a root canal.

Posted by: SMACK | April 15, 2007 3:59 PM | Report abuse

I've found something that creeps me out worse than the King: Burger King's new commercial with the guy wearing nothing but suds and a sponge on his head. Definitely not sponge-worthy.

Posted by: Cindy | April 15, 2007 4:02 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if Bangbros has the uncensored version.

Posted by: SMACK | April 15, 2007 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Hi Cindy,

Nice thread title - and it refreshes quickly as well. Lovely.

Regarding your friend who owes the IRS $1402:

Your friend should file all the appropriate paperwork before the deadline, even if the amount due cannot be paid. Failure to file is a federal offense and they will come after your friend for that. (Penalties, interest, potential prosecution for blatant offenders - not fun.)

The standard practice these days is IRS will structure a payment plan for the unpaid taxes if they cannot be paid when the return is due. With small amounts (like $1402), the taxpayer is generally required to make monthly payments that satisfy the debt in 6-12 months.

My advice to your friend: If you can't pay right now, don't freak out - just file the tax returns on time and wait for the IRS to respond by mail regarding the amount due.

Posted by: Ocho-Ocho | April 15, 2007 4:59 PM | Report abuse

The Pussycat Dolls should be restricted to working in a strip club. Their "right now" song during the NBA games makes me want to puncture my ear drums.

Posted by: Agent Zero | April 15, 2007 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, Ocho! The check is written, the envelope stamped, unless you think they would they let my friend blog from jail...

Posted by: Cindy | April 15, 2007 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Hey peeploggers! It's my last day of spring break and then we ramp up for the end of the year including . . . drum roll and trumpets. . . IMPORTANT STANDARDIZED TESTING PROVING OUR CHILDREN LEARNED SO THEY WON'T BE LEFT BEHIND.

Cindy - outstanding Seinfeld reference! It's a reference that comes in handy more often than one might think I find.

Smack - hey out hear in Cali I can drive and get to the mountains and beach in 3 hours (no NYC true). Plus no blizzards, ice storms, hurricanes and detestable summers in a swamp. Yes earthquakes - yes I know but no annually. That being said if I had to move back east I'd go back to DC cause everything north of there is ugh unless you have a crap load of money and everything south of there is well ugh. Plus when bad things happen they happen in Florida.
Here's why I love SF - you can do/be anything you want and at best they'll protest you by sitting in a tree. I think SF is best summed up by one of my favorite encounters walking through GG Park and a gentleman rides by on his old school Schwinn and lovingly bungee corded into the passenger seat behind him is his fully inflated blow-up doll. No one looked twice, no one cared where else in the US of A can that happen?
Also generally the city has managed to keep all the horrifying yuppies in their own ghetto - The Marina - and they stay there.

Posted by: sfskin | April 15, 2007 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Oh lordy I need to get back to work based on the grammatical/spelling nightmare I just posted.

I missed the Spurrier thing what did he say?

Posted by: sfskin | April 15, 2007 5:43 PM | Report abuse

sfskin, well put on the Marina ghetto reference! Very well said!

SF is a great town, for sure. Probably my second favorite in the US of A, behind NYC. I love LA, too, but I think it's because I'm insane and have a thing for waifish blondes who eat Saltines for dinner.

Of course, no city beats Sydney, the one, true Eden on this little planet of ours.

Posted by: P Diddy | April 15, 2007 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Ok...I'm originally from the Deep South aka Alabama - and DC is lots better. Except that the cost of living is much less expensive there and the people are generally really nice. I was really nice until I became "Washingtonized." After living here for 16 years I'm always in a hurry. I prefer the East Coast to the West Coast because I like "walkable" cities...if I relocated West it would be to SF.

The rent in DC has become OUTRAGEOUS and so I'm seriously thinking of moving. Would love to relocate to NYC (but it is much worse there). Maybe Chicago or ATL.

Oh and one more thing - the women outnumber the men here - which is never a good thing.

Posted by: Lisa | April 15, 2007 5:57 PM | Report abuse


I think it is possible to live in and enjoy the DC area for many years and then wake up one day and hate almost everything about it. Sitting in Beltway traffic at any hour of the day or night is depressing, especially when one is old enough to remember when it wasn't like that. And the traffic problems are just a symptom of everything bad that the DC area is becoming.

As a result, I have been exploring my options to leave the area permanently very soon. With a daughter in college on the West Coast and a son heading to graduate school there in August, I have very few reasons to stay in a place I no longer enjoy. After a long-term project/assignment in the west is completed, permanent relocation to a non-urban setting there is likely.

Sure, there are a few things I may miss about the DC area. But it's a big country with lots of interesting places and people, and life is fleeting - and temporary. For me, it's time to hit the road and leave DC in the rear-view mirror.

People like Nate and P Diddy and sfskin are living proof that one can live on the West Coast and still be Redskins fans. This blog, the internets, and cable/satellite TV are all it takes to bleed burgundy and gold in the 21st century.

Posted by: Ocho-Ocho | April 15, 2007 5:57 PM | Report abuse

The check is written, the envelope stamped, unless you think they would they let my friend blog from jail...

Posted by: Cindy | April 15, 2007 05:29 PM

Cindy, I would consider that possibility as "highly unlikely". There is still time to do a thorough risk/reward analysis, however. LMAO!

Posted by: Ocho-Ocho | April 15, 2007 6:03 PM | Report abuse

>>> "Oh and one more thing - the women outnumber the men here - which is never a good thing."

What???? In what way is that a bad thing?


Posted by: P Diddy | April 15, 2007 6:06 PM | Report abuse


What ocho said... I'm not really an IRS agent.

So you're saying you're not not paying your taxes to stick it to the man?

How did you end up owing so much? Single, right?

Posted by: Larry Bud | April 15, 2007 6:16 PM | Report abuse

I always end up owing at the end of the year ($5K this year). I always figured why give the IRS free money? I'd much rather owe than get a refund.

Posted by: P Diddy | April 15, 2007 6:20 PM | Report abuse


'Cause they're looking for a guy who falls madly in love with them and sweeps them off their feet and ride with them off into the sunset on a white Mustang!

Posted by: charlie | April 15, 2007 8:00 PM | Report abuse


Agree that giving the IRS a large tax free loan is not a good thing. However, the reason why I no longer purposefully attempt to owe the IRS $$$ is

1. depending on the number, writing the checks (rare to owe the IRS a lot and not owe your state too) may be very inconvenient
2. if you severely underpay, then you can/may get hit with underpayment penalties (i.e. insult to injury)

Got bit by #1 once (and avoided #2 only because the amount of tax I was to pay greatly exceeded my previous year's tax bill, voiding the penalty) and have tried to steer clear ever since.

Of course, the other approach to defer your tax bill is to turn paying your taxes over to a shady relative who fails to inform you he/she has stopped paying taxes altogether, but that may only work if you're a Latin crooner.

How good is your Spanish and how well can you sing?


Posted by: EaglesFan | April 15, 2007 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Diddy, I'm a wage earner and (before I had other non-withholding revenue-generating assets) used to be TOTALLY psyched every year about getting a refund ... then an hour or two later remember that the refund was my money in the first place.

The best thing about DC (19 years?! yikes) is the first part of my blogname. That and the perfect and nearby access to everything I have on Capitol Hill. I started at 15th & Mass and kept moving in a northwesterly direction, until it was time to buy. [LISA: time to cobble together about $4-5K and think about buying ... its much more doable than you think. Paying rent is just paying someone else's mortgage, and not getting the mortgage interest deduction.] Capitol Hill is its own walkable city within DC. Lately, I've been discovering what NE and PG County have to offer (tons more, and much cheaper, than I had ever anticipated, esp. at hardware stores -- like tools, aka man toys -- and lumber yards). Among the things that I find the least desireable about DC is the relative absence of diners, esp. old-timey ones.

Yesterday, mugamuck had this idea about trading away #6 to Oakland for Derrick Burgess and Oakland's second rounder (#33). The more I think about it, the more it sounds OK (and fair). Even if Burgess is "disgruntled", there are plenty of reasons to be disgruntled, not the least of which is having to play for Oakland. Though the idea of trading down (#6 for a lower first round pick plus another first day pick) seems sexier b/c there would TWO new guys we've been reading about (i.e., "potential"), the idea of at least one in the bush provides much more comfort. If it happens, all hail mugamuck.

Posted by: dcsween | April 15, 2007 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Tonight, I find misery. Two Simpsons tonight -- started an hour early. Someone please tell me they were repeats.

Posted by: dcsween | April 15, 2007 8:06 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: Alexander | April 15, 2007 8:47 PM | Report abuse

This is for my people. I wasn't going to say anything but today's Zards loss put me over the top. On Saturday night, I was repping it to the death at Smith Point. I was reading how Prince William broke up with his lady on my Razr, when someone brushes by me who looks familiar. It was Kirk Hinrich. Then right next to him comes in Chris Duhon. They were wearing sweat suits and trying to get their drink on...they went straight for the back bar. I look at Hinrich and shout "Least favorite player in the NBA." Then it hits me, it's almost 1 am. The Wizards-Bulls game is on at 1 pm the next day on national tv with the 2nd seed on the line. How are Hinrich and Duhon out drinking this late the night before??? The answer: no respect. Then they went and blew us out by 109 points on Sunday. Unreal.

The reason I am writing this is I want it to get back to the Zards how they were disresepected to the point where one of the best players on the team who took Lil' Gilbert's spot on the Olympic team thought so little of the game that he went to get bent with that boozhound Duhon and some sexy time with the 2 seed on the line on national TV. I want Michael Lee or Ivan Carter to drop that knowledge to Clueless Eddie Jordan (who looks like a man who just found out his 18 year-old daughter is pregnant). You don't believe me? Call Smith Point and ask Bo if Hinrich stopped by. We need some fire, son! We need something. I am tired of looking at Washington sports teams and seeing the image of Jeff George being dragged on the ground by Ebeneezer Ekuban while Chris Samuels and Jon Jansen watch. Someone needs to say: I know we lost Gilbert and Caron, but you know what? We'll still punch you in the mouth. COME ON!!!!!

Posted by: The Governor | April 15, 2007 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Sopranos is garbage.

Draft Okoye or Landry.

Posted by: cdubb | April 15, 2007 9:34 PM | Report abuse

wow, thanks for reminding me about that!

Posted by: supaskin | April 15, 2007 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Dealer --

Funny to hear all the whining about the rain in DC. Come out to Asia - it doesn't rain a drop from Jan to May. But on the other hand, it was friggin 95 degrees yesterday.

Then in May or June, it starts raining. Once a day, for about 2 hours, it just pours like no tomorrow. At least this moderates the heat to only about 85 degrees. Then in July and August, we're up to about 4 hours of rain a day. Then the typhoons start coming (hurricanes for you state-side). Last year we had 3 near direct hits -- it pours for a solid week during the period and flooding gets pretty bad(like you guys and gals have today). It stays like this until nearly December.

The upside? We have a beer here called San Miguel. No, it is not a Sam Adams or an Sierra Nevada IPA, but its completely drinkable. It costs about $0.30 each at the store, at worst $1.50 in restaurants.

CHEERS!! And enjoy your Nor'easter ...

Posted by: Paps in Manila | April 15, 2007 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Ocho --

I had the same experience after living in DC for about 12 years. One day, I just woke up and hating everything about it. I still call it "home" but I just don't know if I can ever live there again. I can't ever forget going to Caps home games (in the old Cap Center and MCI Center) and being outnumbered and outcheered by Pens/Flyers/Rangers, etc. fans. This only happens in DC, because it is such a town full of transplants. This still steams me up thinking about it ...

Hey, speaking of good ol' tax day, did you know that if you work overseas, you get $86,000 of salary exempted from your taxes?

Posted by: Paps in Manila | April 15, 2007 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Just like to say thanks to y'all for paying your taxes as that pays my salary.

Lisa - um in Silicon Valley, the men outnumber the women and it is NOT a good thing. One of the hottest most active swingers populations is in and around Palo Alto - YIKES!

I'm smoking a little crack and drinking a little Kool Aid and figuring the FO has a zillion flow charts that map out all possibilities for trades on draft day to optimize our . . . .oh my gawd I can't even finish the sentence with a straight face. . . . ha ha ha hahahahahahahahahahaha

Posted by: sfskin | April 15, 2007 10:19 PM | Report abuse

thanks cindy, ocho, smack, sfksin, lisa, diddy...

cindy, i used to like the pace. that was the drug i was addicted to. i once landed in CA. and went straight to in-n-out as is my ritual and couldn't stand the laid back attitude of people in line and serving food. at that point i said to myself that i could never live there(ca). people are so chill there. things have changed.

ocho, yeah that's it. been here for 20 years. never thought i'd leave the east coast. but here we are...

we as a family have more reasons than weather to head out to ca. but to me weather is more important than others that are involved in the move. we have a yard, deck, kids, and how often you think kids and us get to use them? winter is 3 months that's pretty much lost and spent in indoor gyms setup for cooped up kids and is a "petri dish" for infections like roto and noro virus (i've been taking turns coughing, sneezing, vomiting for a 6 weeks now. no exaggerations). then comes the summer...rain, humidity...
then fall...the only good season up here...

i'm not at ocho's stage in life yet so i really hope that i don't have to come back here for a job in 10 years...

and yes, wherever i go i'm taking my skins with me. i may not be so close as to hear st. joe and weird al argue over plays but i'll be a dish customer once again.

sopranos was good. i loved the opening scene. LOL! i thought of you cindy.

Posted by: dealer | April 15, 2007 10:53 PM | Report abuse


I don't understand the question, and I won't respond to it.

Mi Hermano.

Posted by: C-A-P-S | April 15, 2007 11:21 PM | Report abuse

Didn't mean to be unkind to you left-coasters. sfskin, San Fran is great if for no other reasons than Amoeba and Bottom of the Hill. I must admit I spent most of my time out there in Marin County gettin' stoneder than the bejeezus. But it still baffles me. How can everybody be either a shrink, a counselor, or a spiritual life coach? That would be like everybody being a barber. There's just not enough hair out there.

Posted by: SMACK | April 15, 2007 11:38 PM | Report abuse

SMACK, you hit the nail on the head about the pervasive goofiness among the west coast populace, roughly from Orange County north.

I would aver that it switches from that particularly distasteful LA psychosis to something much more interesting in SF and then reaches its apex up here where the bald eagles and spotted owls soar.

It's exactly like the fast paced blandness of DC, the faster paced cool of NYC, the bizarre stasis of a lot of the South... by which I mean, either you dig it, or you don't.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 16, 2007 12:05 AM | Report abuse

You wanna hear some crap about taxes? How about being a sales rep who gets taxed 40% on commissions no matter what... so I end up getting a sick return every year... only problem is now I have gven the government an interest free loan for a year!!!

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | April 16, 2007 12:20 AM | Report abuse

I lived in the Dc area up until my last year of highschool and then proceeded to go to college in Ohio, live in Oregon with my parents during break and now I live in St. Louis.

I always say that I miss the east coast b/c I have fond memories of being able to watch the Skins without having Sunday Ticket and being close to the ocean etc. But the truth is I love living in the mid-west... terrible football fans, but it gives me something to b**** about!!!

Posted by: Inigo Montoya | April 16, 2007 12:24 AM | Report abuse

g'night bloggers. ugghh tomorrow is monday


Posted by: Inigo Montoya | April 16, 2007 12:25 AM | Report abuse

Nate, so that you know where I stand - from the last thread. I agree that 'me first' players should not be on our team. I don't categorize those that think they're not getting fair market value for their services as 'me first' guys.

Antonio Pierce seems to be a team/character guy but was not willing to bend over for the 'skins when it came to money. Dockery seems like another team guy but the 'skins couldn't match the contract and wished him well.

Yes, character matters when it comes to your value to an NFL franchise, especially considering the new ramifications. I would have never mentioned Allen had I known of his off field issues.

Now my take on the franchise guys, Briggs and Samuel. They are negotiating for the best possible deal. Samuel is 26, one of the top cover corners in the NFL, coming off a career year and just saw what Clements got. In the life of an NFL player you have few windows to make the big money. His biggest window is now. If he blows out a knee or an achilles this year when he's tagged then that window maybe forever closed and his loss is in tens of millions of dollars. The scenario for Briggs is the same. Both were drafted in 2003 Briggs in the 3rd and Samuel in 4th so there was no big payday for them.

Incidently, we picked Dock between the two and he got paid. If we thought he was worth it, had the cap space the conference champions have and tagged him we could've been dealing with different FO headaches.

Posted by: bangkokben | April 16, 2007 5:51 AM | Report abuse

Here something of little interest.

RB Canidate eyeing return to NFL
By John Murphy

Former St. Louis Rams first-round pick, running back Trung Canidate, has been in contact with several teams with an eye towards setting up workouts before the upcoming NFL draft.

Canidate, who has been out of action since 2003 because of a foot injury, has received a clean bill of health. The 5-foot-11, 212-pound back has recently been timed in the mid-4.4 range while working out. His pursuit of a return to the league began in earnest last summer after he was able to work out minus any pain or distraction. As a result, a handful of teams showed interest in bringing him in during training camp, though he was never signed.

The New York Jets' recent signing of Andre Wadsworth gives Canidate more hope of landing a spot on an NFL roster. Wadsworth, drafted No. 3 overall in 1998, has not played since 2000.

Canidate rushed for 1,095 yards and seven touchdowns on 240 carries in 46 career games with the Rams and Washington Redskins.

Posted by: bangkokben | April 16, 2007 5:58 AM | Report abuse

"... The New York Jets' recent signing of Andre Wadsworth gives Canidate more hope of landing a spot on an NFL roster. Wadsworth, drafted No. 3 overall in 1998, has not played since 2000.

Posted by: bangkokben | April 16, 2007 05:58 AM"

The thing you have to notice about the For Sale sign around Andre Wadsworth ... he was the guy drafted after Ryan Leaf. The tree falls close to the leaf.

Posted by: dcsween | April 16, 2007 7:38 AM | Report abuse

Trung? I still miss Stephen Davis. His TD against us this year broke my heart. It meant SO much to him to score against his old team. Apart from his fumble against Dallas, that guy was a Redskin through and through.

Can you name me another player who made as little to no impact on a team than Trung Canidate did for the Skins?

Calm before the storm indeed, if this is what we're talking about.

Posted by: Dorf | April 16, 2007 8:33 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: skinfanman | April 16, 2007 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Ocho-Ocho: Six years ago I was where you are. At that point I had lived in the DC area for 40 years, working in government jobs (and rooting for the skins) the entire time. Most of that time, except for a short visit to Crystal City, was in DC proper. When I first moved to DC, I lived in the city. It was really like a sleepy southern town then with people walking around downtown window shopping at 3 and 4 in the morning. All that changed with the riots in 1968 and after that things were just different although it may be turning around now.

One of the things that really turned me off about the area was the never ending increases in traffic. When I first moved there rush hour was actually about an hour long. Now rush hour lasts so long in the morning and evening that there is hardly any time in between.

My line of work was in great demand, especially after 911 and my agency wanted me to stay. But - my wife had a medical condition that required brain surgery and when she made a recovery from that I just decided that life was too short.

We relocated to southeastern NC and love it here. The complaints about DC weather are valid to some extent but no matter where you live there will be some weather feature that gives you fits. In NC is is the hurricane situation. I actually looked up the frequency of hurricanes hitting the area where we moved before we bought the property and at that point there hadn't been one that hit that area in 15 years. Since then 6 have hit and 4 have been close misses in the past 10 years with two of those hitting in one year.

Still visit the DC area numerous times each year because the kids still live in the area. Each time I visit and return to NC I marvel that I could have survived there all those years and each visit the traffic is worse.

I wish I could stop saying that about the skins. The 60s were terrible; the 70 not so bad with George Allen and the over the hill gang; the 80s and early 90s had Gibbs 1.0; but the run with Turner and Spurrier almost killed me. I still have hopes for Gibbs 2.0 that keeps me signed up with Direct TV and their NFL package. I just can't get into the Carolina Panthers.

I hope the FO uses what picks they have wisely and gets some help for the Dline.

Cindy: Always pay your taxes - big brother is watching.

Posted by: oldskinsfan | April 16, 2007 8:58 AM | Report abuse

OK, so I've been obsessing about mugamuck's idea of Burgess + #33 in exchange for #6.

Here's the scenario ... you have 15 minutes from the time you read this to decide. Skins are "on the board" (assume it is 1:15pm on Saturday, April 28, 2007). You have two trade options in front of you. The Raiders offer DE Derrick Burgess, who leads the NFL with the most sacks over the previous two seasons, plus their second round pick (#33) for #6. Another team, say Houston, SF, Buffalo, St. L (#10-#13), is willing to trade down to NE for their #24, and NE will trade their new pick (#10-13) to the Skins in exchange for NEXT YEAR's first round pick. The result could mean BOTH LaRon Landry AND the D-lineman of your draft dreams (Okoye? Carriker?).

You have 15 minutes to decide. Proven sack-master DE plus the first pick in the second round vs. two of the top 15 picks this year?

Posted by: dcsween | April 16, 2007 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Don't know if anyone else caught this, but the Skins/Titans game was on NFL Network yesterday at 1pm. Couple things stood out to me:
1. Our pass rush was ok, but our corners were ATROCIOUS, not that everyone didn't already know this.
2. Andre Carter had a pretty good game, as did Montgomery. Carter had a sack on VY, on a stunt up the middle. I don't know that I saw the Redskins run another stunt like that all year.
3. Brunnell was beyond bad, and beyond predictable. When it wasn't a screen, it was badly thrown to Moss.

Not that everyone didn't already know all of the above. This makes the draft that much more important. We've got to trade out of the #6. Mort said that even if we only get a 1st and a 3rd out of the deal, we should do it, and I tend to agree.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | April 16, 2007 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Easy Sween; Take the two first rounders. We can get the 2 d positions of most need. Next year we can try to recoup that first round pick... or just do the same thing again pushing one year out for the current year. Rinse and repeat.

Posted by: PDSquared | April 16, 2007 9:35 AM | Report abuse


I watched it as well. I thought the same thing. I would like to see progress from Montgomery, and continued progress from Golston.

So with Sweens trade scenario, we get two 1st rounders and help Reaper with Landry and pick up the run stuffing DE or Carriker or Anderson.

Brunell should have been benched then and there. Horrible skipping passes, only good thing was we saw a flash of BLloyd.

Posted by: PDSquared | April 16, 2007 9:38 AM | Report abuse

I was driving in my car listening this weekend to a Tampa sports station [I miss Kornheiser and the DC sports....]and their special guest was Chris Landry.

Landry as many of you know was an NFL coach, scout, and now serves as a consultant for a few NFL teams and is employed by Fox Sports Radio.

They were discussing the first 4 picks [Tampa selects #4] when suddenly another Redskin fan tranplanted to FL due to work like myself, telephoned.

Landry's comments about our Skins were tough to hear. They pierced like a knife through hot butter.

He said Joe Gibbs has proven himself as a man, leader and coach. However the FO is what has set back this franchise. Landry said that for the last 7 years the FO has tried quick fixes, paying out too much money and not building through the draft. The draft for the Skins this year is so depleted because of bad choices under Danny and Vinny.

Then the big close by Landry was this. "I don't understand why Vinny Ceratto, is where he is, and I don't know of ANY other NFL team that would have Ceratto in that position".

It was so sad. We are the laughing stock as far as FO goes in the NFL. To hear this over radio where they know they are not in Redskin country and to be talking about us this way... well, it just made me sick!

Posted by: Redskin Ray | April 16, 2007 9:46 AM | Report abuse


I thought that Montgomery had good push up the middle, but then they did gash us for tons of yards on the ground, so I must have been missing something.

As far as that trade scenario, I'd take the two First rounders now. Give me Carriker, and Landry, and We'd be in great shape.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | April 16, 2007 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Most of those yards Travis Henry got in that Tenne game were on cutbacks. That is dudes playing out of position and undisciplined. Landry and Carriker would be awesome, just doesn't seem likely.

Burgess has had a nice last 2 years but his first 4 spent with the Eagles were injury prone and little impact.

Posted by: cdubb | April 16, 2007 9:58 AM | Report abuse

How can MArc Anthony not go to jail, but they wanna lock Marion Barry Up?

Posted by: ES | April 16, 2007 10:04 AM | Report abuse


I don't see how that trade scenario works out, though. sween's idea involves a #33 and Burgess, right? We won't get Carriker at that pick. And who else is going to trade down with us that would put us in a position to draft Landry and Carriker?

All the rankings I see put Landry in the top 7 or 8 picks and Carriker somewhere in the top 25.

I am more sold on Carriker the more I hear about him, though and if we could trade down to a spot where we could get him and a 2nd round pick, I'd be in favor of that.

I am also more sold on the idea of taking Landry with #6 if we can't trade down.

As to sween's question, and I swear it's only been 15 minutes since I read it, I would say yes, I'd take it.

But doesn't that fly in the fcae of your go slow, build through and honor the draft mentality, sween?

We've already done the whole trade away top picks for current talent thing with only marginal success.

Burgess is a beast, no doubt and more a of a proven quantity. More the likes of Griffin and Thomas than Lloyd and Arch.

Is that the gist?

Posted by: Larry Bud | April 16, 2007 10:07 AM | Report abuse

I watched the last quarter of the Skins-Titans game from my deathbed; I must've been hallucinating. An 0-4 team with a pedestrian RB gashed us up the middle all throughout the fourth quarter. This was after Young had gotten dinged up, so there was no attempt to pass on his part. Daniels and Carter held their own at the edges, but anything that went up the middle seemed to go for a first down. Did Henry end up with ~170 yards rushing?

Posted by: cload and daggar | April 16, 2007 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Larry Bud, based on the scenario, that was laid out:
"You have 15 minutes to decide. Proven sack-master DE plus the first pick in the second round vs. two of the top 15 picks this year"?

That is what I based my want for Carriker/Landry on.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | April 16, 2007 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, I misread that part. I still don't get how we get 2 picks in the first 15.

I feel stupid.

Posted by: Larry Bud | April 16, 2007 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Larry Bud, the choice is either to mortgage the future for two first rounders now OR Burgess and the second rounder, but you get the gist.

Personally, I'm in favor of the saving the future for when we get there. Burgess would fill a need now -- and a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush, plus there would be the first second round as the consolation prize ... obviously not one of the premier guys to drool over, but still plenty of quality ... and I would look for a safety rather than a DT (b/c I want to trust the combo of Golston/Montgomery from last year's draft).

The "core Skins" from the 2004 FA class did not include any superstars to drool over, but rather guys who wanted to play football. I'm hoping that Golston/Montgomery turn out to be those kind of guys. First rounders are to drool over, but I think the downside is not only punch in the gut on salary (for a guy who may or may not translate into an NFL stud), but also a risk that the guy has developed an ego/sense of entitlement that accompanies being a first round pick.

My wish list has Landry & Carriker, but my maxed out credit card says Burgess & #33.
Still, cdubb's point about Burgess injury history in Philly is a legitimate one ...

Hopefully St. Joe downs plenty of blood pressure pills before having to make a choice like that one.

Posted by: dcsween | April 16, 2007 10:18 AM | Report abuse

OHHHHH!!! I get it now!

Yeah... So, my revised response is take the picks, not the player.

Add Carriker and Landry. God, I am an idiot.

Posted by: Larry Bud | April 16, 2007 10:19 AM | Report abuse

LB, my bad, I should have provided more than 15 minutes to figure out that there is a three way trade (Skins-New England-one of the teams before pick #15) that allows the second option. I think that scenario is what peeps here call "Madden mode".

Posted by: dcsween | April 16, 2007 10:20 AM | Report abuse


As an IRS agent once told me, the trick is not to think of it as "your money."

Nate, when you sing the praises of PDX, don't leave out the microbrews. They are the main reason most of us are able to deal with the gray damp conditions that prevail a good part of the year.

Will in New Mexico

Posted by: flipthatswitch | April 16, 2007 10:22 AM | Report abuse

So I guess by proxy and due to the fact that I'm an idiot and sween is not that I must be wrong.

I can see the value in both ideas. I guess I would see trading for two in the top 15 as building for the future, but you're right to say that our credit card is gonna get declined if we did that.

Who would we have to cut to sign 2 in the top 15?

I think I might be converting to the cult of sween.

Posted by: Larry Bud | April 16, 2007 10:22 AM | Report abuse

How depressing would it be in 2008 to have to sit out the first round again (like this time last year) ... and force ourselves to get excited about our second round pick (who was something like the sixth or seventh OLB selected in the 2006 draft)?

Posted by: dcsween | April 16, 2007 10:23 AM | Report abuse

There is a third option and that would be to keep the #6 and take whomever.

I heard someone say that Kiper has moved Gaines Adams up to #2 overall.

Is that for real?

Posted by: Larry Bud | April 16, 2007 10:25 AM | Report abuse

LB, no idiocy in having to make that choice. There is no right answer. The test is designed to be hard. The RI blog SHOULD split about 50/50 on this one (leaving Garnder, Rod jokes aside for the moment). Frankly, this is the test they should give to our new GM hire ... whoever he (or she?) may be ... fire Vinny on April 30th! I'm guessing The Owner would go for the two first rounders this year. Hopefully (only my hope), St. Joe thinks about the credit card that The Owner never thinks about and goes for the bird in the hand instead of two in the bush.

Posted by: dcsween | April 16, 2007 10:27 AM | Report abuse

LB, Adams has been creeping up to #2 or #3 all over the place. Personally, that gives me comfort. He makes me nervous and if he's out of range for the Skins, all the better. Picking Landry with #6 would be AOK with me. If necessary, maybe trading something (a player? a pick next year? just not first rounder) to get a second or third rounder would be fine with me too.

Posted by: dcsween | April 16, 2007 10:31 AM | Report abuse

I guess it's for real.

Here's the link:


I think that will work. I'm not an ESPN "insider" so it wouldn't give me the whole mock draft.

Posted by: Larry Bud | April 16, 2007 10:34 AM | Report abuse

sween -- the NE trade doesn't make a lot of sense from NE's perspective -- usually, next year's draft choices are assigned the value of middle-of-the-round (16)... So why would they trade a #13 this year for a #16 next year?

speculate all you want -- it's great filler for the next two weeks -- but the three guys I'm going to interview exhaustively are Okoye, Branch, and Landry. I still think Branch gives you the biggest initial pop (can start in September), but either of the others is an excellent choice in an important position.

One question on Landry -- safeties are generally paid less than most other positions (look at the franchise tag numbers), so how does that work with the slotting system draft picks?

Posted by: cload and daggar | April 16, 2007 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Crap. It won't work.

You all have probably seen it anyways.

I agree about Adams. As I've already said, I saw him play a couple of times and he reminds Andre Carter from the first part of last season.

Great speed, good moves but too easy to push out of the way.

Posted by: Larry Bud | April 16, 2007 10:37 AM | Report abuse

cload, it seems like there is an adjustment in first round pay based on position. Mario Williams as #1 was looking to be cheaper than Reggie Bush at #1. I'm guessing that you are right ... that a safety at #6 may cost less than a DE at #6. What I couldn't guess is the salary of safety vs. DT.

Posted by: dcsween | April 16, 2007 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Or do they just extend the contract length -- does this explain Sean Taylor's contract?

Posted by: cload and daggar | April 16, 2007 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Man, the draft can't get here soon enough. Each day that passes without a stupid trade is good news for us.

I'm a fool to believe, but I can't help thinking that we'll be in the catbird seat if we're on the clock with the #6 pick -- as in the rosy scenario sween paints -- and at least a couple of juicy trade options on the table, PLUS the ability to just exercise the pick and get Landry or some other stud.

(As long as Vinny is bound and gagged in a basement somewhere deep in Ashburn.)

flipthatswitch, you can't spell microbrew without mmmmm.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 16, 2007 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Adams also reminded someone on NFL network of Mario Williams.... that says 'hands off' really loudly.

I love Anderson later first round, even as high as 10 is Houston wants Peterson should he fall.

But Landry is the pick at 6, ATL likes him as well, so we could move to 8, let them take Landry and take one of the other stud dlineman.

Posted by: PDSquared | April 16, 2007 10:50 AM | Report abuse

You take it on faith, you take it to the heart, but the waiting is the hardest part. Not this weekend, but the NEXT weekend, and we can get this draft show on the road!

For thrills alone, I hope there is a trade down, but nothing official till around the time pick #3 goes down. Otherwise, my whole Saturday and all my anticipation runs from 1:15 - 1:30. Then that's it. [The next day, I have a wedding and will miss our 5th, two 6ths, and 7th round picks. Booo. Though Lord knows I'll be geek googling my guts out hard researching the guys left as of Saturday night. My low round interest is only for another punt returner.]

Posted by: dcsween | April 16, 2007 10:54 AM | Report abuse

You are right about that Nate. Each day there is not a trade is a good day for us.

Posted by: jm220 | April 16, 2007 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of microbrews and the DC area...

I too moved out of the DC area after having spent most of my life there. Grew up in Del Ray, before the yuppies. Lived in Charles County till last year and now am in the region (Cumberland area).

Anyway, I had to go to WVA to buy beer yesterday b/c Allegany County still has blue laws... yeah...

I found a beer there called Moutaineer Brewing Company Red Ale. It's brewed in Martinsburg. It was deilicious.

If you can get it in the DC area, I highly recommend it.

And don't forget:

"But what a fool believes
No wise man can reason away
Waht seems to be is always better than nothing at all"

-M. McDonald, poet exemplar

Posted by: Larry Bud | April 16, 2007 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Larry Bud, you've given me an opportunity to mention the occasionally brilliant Yacht Rock series once again.

Episode One: What a Fool Believes

Mountaineer Brewing Co, will look for it.

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 16, 2007 11:04 AM | Report abuse

ArtMonkToTheSticks, how did the Vancouver comedy gigs go this past weekend? Did you try out any DC sports material on the Canadians? Did you use the word 'shabingus'?

Posted by: Nate in the PDX | April 16, 2007 11:23 AM | Report abuse

I'm not convinced that teams are dying to move up with this draft. Peter King spells it out pretty clearly in today's piece in From what he say's a lot of team's see roughly 18 players worthy of first round picks. Not that Petey hasn't been wrong before, but this stuff was coming from different scouts that he's talked to. While I'd love to be able to recoup some of our picks, we might be backed into a corner with this.

Posted by: Greg(Boston) | April 16, 2007 11:23 AM | Report abuse

New post. Beep beep. From JASON!

Posted by: dcsween | April 16, 2007 11:24 AM | Report abuse

that is a reference to anchorman, not arrested development. the quote is "i immediately regret this decision"

Posted by: jeff | April 16, 2007 4:37 PM | Report abuse

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