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Sean Taylor Out At Least Two Weeks

Bubba says he has a Grade II sprain of his right knee and is out at least two weeks.
Given how they generally give a timetable around here, you have to think this is more of a 3-4 week thing, but you never know. He could be a quick healer.

Skins also waiting to hear more on Thrash.

By Jason La Canfora  |  November 12, 2007; 4:01 PM ET
 
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Ugh.

Posted by: 4-12 | November 12, 2007 4:04 PM | Report abuse

No problem. One of the "core guys" LPD picked will step in. It's too bad said core guy runs the forty 4 tenths of a second slower and has stone hands.

Posted by: X_1967 | November 12, 2007 4:07 PM | Report abuse

tough loss. Taylor is a difference maker and it showed on Sunday.

Recall back in George Allen's days, one year the Skins were 5-0 and had taken a big lead at halftime vs KC (18 points?). Just before half, Charley Taylor scored a TD, but broke his ankle when he was tackled crossing the goal line. Skins would up losing that game and played just .500 the rest of the way. Showed me how important one guy can be.

With so many guys hurting, seems the Skins are on pretty thin ice. Which is why this last game was so important.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 12, 2007 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Kost is right, as usual. C'mon people! It's Dallas week. You don't think the Skins will be able to dial up an effort? I'm not chalking it up as a win by any stretch. In this rivalry, you can toss out the records, and the comparative talent of the players, and any significant injuries, and any perceived mental deficiencies on the part of the coaches. It's gonna be a hard fought battle!

2-0 Arsenal. Should be 3!

Posted by: SMACK1 | November 12, 2007 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Sad for Taylor who had really raised his game this year and has been getting a lot of recognition around the league. Missing time and probably returning at less than 100% is a big setback.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 12, 2007 4:19 PM | Report abuse

When you think about the last few big upsets of Dallas, who did it? Reaper with the return of the blocked FG, and Santana Moss with those two TDs blazing past the entire Dallas secondary. So, now we're looking for Brandon Lloyd or Pearson Proileau to fill some big shoes. Yikes.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 12, 2007 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Williams wasn't lying, they did let the Eagles score with two minutes left. It's obvious in the replays.

As an extension to that, it would be smart and ballsy to quietly, very quietly, rest hurt players this week.

Why - you're not going to beat Dallas in Dallas and Tampa IS A MUST WIN.

Posted by: gdennie | November 12, 2007 4:26 PM | Report abuse

strange standings note of the day. The Skins trail the division leading Cowboys by 3 games. The Rams trail the division leading Seahwaks by 3.5

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 12, 2007 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Kost, I hope you're not right about this. It's kind of scarey to think that a HOF coach would change his game plan because of a fumble. If so, they guy's a shell of himself and not qualified for HOF.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 12, 2007 04:13 PM


Maybe I am wrong, but remember the Miami game, when he chose to kick the winning FG on was it 1st or 2nd down? He came out after it and said he did it because he's been in too many games when you get penalties or turn the ball over, and he didn't want to risk it. I thought that mentality showed up, after the fumble.

Posted by: kost52 | November 12, 2007 4:29 PM | Report abuse

This is bad. We need to figure out a way to either teach PP how to lay the wood or get TheRon playing FS.

Posted by: bigfish | November 12, 2007 4:30 PM | Report abuse

gdennie, c'mon mate, YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME!

Man I love those 'Coach going nuts' quotes!

Posted by: kost52 | November 12, 2007 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Hey Kpst, how the heck are we going to stop SMACK running away with both fantasy leagues this year?

It's getting embarrassing....

Posted by: Redcoat | November 12, 2007 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Right. What kind of a message does that send to your players?

"Campbell, Landry, MacIntosh, Fletcher, Carter, you guys are inactive this week. The rest of you, whatever you do make sure you don't get hurt out there because we need you all to bring the wood in Tampa. Now, let's go get Dallas!"

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 12, 2007 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Redcoat, I know, I don't think there's too much we can do in the EPL, as for the NFL, I had hoped that an injury or two might slow him down, but unfortunately it was ME who got injured.

Not that it would make too much difference this week, JM220 is killing me, AND he's a player short!

Posted by: kost52 | November 12, 2007 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Our two strengths this year were supposed to be our Oline and our Secondary and halfway through the season 50% of that starting personnel is gone.

Posted by: SeanTizzy2DaHizzy | November 12, 2007 4:55 PM | Report abuse

A win in Dallas? Not likely. Of course, Mark Brunell throwing two TDs bombs in the 4th was beyond not likely. Strange things happen when the Skins play Dallas, FG tries on back to back plays, one for each team (probably the only time in NFL history that ever happened)!! Who knows?

The Skins will need a win (or two) they aren't supposed to get down the stretch. The playoff picture is not bleak. They trail Det by a game and Det has tough schedule and the Skins own the tiebreaker. So if Det stumbles just one game relative to the Skins, the Skins get that. The Skins are the only 5-4 team in the NFC that isn't leading their division, meaning they are a game up on the rest of the 'contenders'. Philly, Bears, Panthers, Saints and Cards. They have the tiebreak against AZ and play Chi. Philly is 1-3 in the division, no better than the Skins.

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 12, 2007 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Hello zcezcest1,

Yes, I recall that game and season.
What I know for a fact is it, was 1971 and the Skins were 5-0 and did lead at the half and yes Taylor broke his ankle.

18 point lead? I certainly don't think so!
But one of our historians would have to do the research for us. I do recall losing the game as KC came back to win.

It wasn't just Taylor that got hurt.
Others were injured as well.
The team tremendously struggled offensively.
Going on memory what I recall was 13-0 loss to Dallas and a 7-7 tie w/ Philly who was horrible back then!

Skins limped into playoffs as a Wild Card w/ a 9-4-1 record had to travel to NFC West champ San Francisco and lost. I think it was someting like 24-20? 24-17?

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | November 12, 2007 5:02 PM | Report abuse

NFC wildcard teams are so mediocre 9-7 will probably get you in!
Who knows maybe an 8-8 and winning the tie breaker against another 8-8 team.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | November 12, 2007 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Gibss getting absolutely grilled on his clock management right now in his press conference.

Posted by: bigfish | November 12, 2007 5:12 PM | Report abuse

ok, I checked and found it
a. the Skins got beat by KC 27-20 that game in 71. So, they were not down by 18 at the half, Skins were not leading 20-2.

b. Skins did lose that playoff game to SF in 1971 24-20 as I recalled.

Amazing how strong childhood memories can be sometimes, you know?
And to think I was only 8 years old!!

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | November 12, 2007 5:15 PM | Report abuse

bigfish, and how is he going defending it?

Posted by: kost52 | November 12, 2007 5:17 PM | Report abuse

I love Coach Joe; he did so much for us and that is why we have set our bar so high, folks. He set it high for us!!!

However, he needs to retire at the end of this year, and we all need to not slander him but thank him for what he did in Gibbs 1.0 and admire him that he didn't sit on his laurels but came back because he loves this franchise and wanted to get things turned around.

It just didn't work out; but I sincerely believe we are better than last year, and JC is improving, so he has improved us from the Spurrier years.

It's just not as much as we want and I understand that.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | November 12, 2007 5:18 PM | Report abuse

We're screwed. I can't even come up with a Sean Taylorism to lighten the mood.

Posted by: Original_etrod | November 12, 2007 5:20 PM | Report abuse

It just didn't work out; but I sincerely believe we are better than last year, and JC is improving, so he has improved us from the Spurrier years.

It's just not as much as we want and I understand that.

Posted by: RedskinRay1 | November 12, 2007 05:18 PM

It's not you, Joe, It's me.

Posted by: Original_etrod | November 12, 2007 5:22 PM | Report abuse

When/what exactly caused Sean Taylor's injury? I know he was in and out for a little bit... was that knee related or shoulder/arm related?

All I know is that when he left the game, a little bit of me died.

Posted by: Dorf | November 12, 2007 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Fire the defensive coach. He is really overpaid and kinda stupid in play calling. Don't blitz too much and don't hit their recievers on the line and back off so when they catch it it will be a first down. Hey, Gibbs, do you really want me to waste 3 hours on sunday watching such a pathetic team? With pathetic calls? At least the Offense tried new things..like throwing the ball downfield.
PP is afraid to hit anyone. The defense keeps backing off until a completion is made, then try to tackle.
I think I will watch Oakland or Green Bay.

Posted by: curb1 | November 12, 2007 5:30 PM | Report abuse

It looks like curtains. Thrash, Taylor, Moss, Antwaan all injured. Add Marcus Washington and critically their starting cornerback and 1st round pick Carlos. And then there's the patched up offensive line.

Jasno, a lot of this is about injuries, as much as procedure near the goal line. The good is THE QB is getting better and better. Fumbles Jasno? You should've seen Rypien when he first started out. Believe it or not a part of that IS THE PATCHED OL. Rypien with good OL no fumbles. Rypien with patchwork OL at the end massive fumble-itis.

Dallas: Defense has to win this one somehow. The O with the Receiver as their PRIMARY!!! With Randle El injured and everyone else of decent caliber out .. who else!? Its Portis and Betts and Cooley. No long passes.

Are they done? If they could somehow find a way to beat Dallas and then the Giants no. But that seems unlikely.


Posted by: pete | November 12, 2007 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Its very possible that they might not win another game. Due in large part to injuries. Unless the "D" really steps up like there's no
tomorrow because there really is no tomorrow.

Posted by: pete | November 12, 2007 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs presser was absolutely horrible. Constantly saying that every game is going to come down to one play. Making excuses for calling timeouts that I'm not sure any other coach would use as an excuse. Dodging questions about his playcalling, clock management issues, etc.

Gotta give credit to the reporters though. They asked all the right questions but he just never answered any of them straightly.

And if hear "We're all together" one more time I will gag. It has now replaced "fought their guts out" as his number one saying.

I want someone fired up after a loss. I mean Dennis Green fired up too. "THEY ARE WHO WE THOUGHT THEY WERE AND WE LET THEM OFF THE HOOK"

Sorry Joe.

Posted by: bigfish | November 12, 2007 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Bugger, I wanted a clean sheet on that one.

Posted by: kost52 | November 12, 2007 5:37 PM | Report abuse

bigfish - I know, there were a few of us last night who were saying the same thing. A couple of the older fans were saying that he runs his pressers the same now as he did then, problem is we were winning more often then, so it was easier to take I guess.

Samuels said that he'll be doing some yelling, so I guess what we see is different to what the players see.

Posted by: kost52 | November 12, 2007 5:43 PM | Report abuse

More from the Gibbs presser.

He said that the 3rd and 7 draw in the 4th was a play that was set up to go 1 or two ways. If they were coming on the blitz then it will be a throw. If they were dropped back in coverage then it will be a run. It's up to Soup to make the decision and they dropped back in coverage so he handed it off to Portis.

Another thing that made me worry. Gibbs said if it's 4th down and 4 inches you go for it but anything longer than that and you need to consider other options. 4 INCHES!!! Come on now!

Posted by: bigfish | November 12, 2007 5:45 PM | Report abuse

kost, From the comments he made regarding how he told his players that they fought their guts out, they're all in this together, his gushing over James Thrash and telling the team that every game was going to come down to one play, it's very hard for me to believe that he yelled at anyone.

Posted by: bigfish | November 12, 2007 5:51 PM | Report abuse

there goes the defense! expect Greg "I don't blitz when my defense is undermanned" Williams to play it conservatively this week and the Cowgirls will still complete long passes down the field (as the Eagles did on Sunday). Can you say BLOWOUT?

Posted by: 2greekdc | November 12, 2007 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: bigfish | November 12, 2007 05:45 PM

Well did Gibbs call that option play or was it Saunders? Regardless it was their call to even have a run as an option on 3rd and goal from the 7. I don't care how he explains it, it was a wrong and terrible call.

Gibbs is like most other old people, no offense. Stubborn and stuck in his ways. 4 inches, f that. The way the game is going should dictate how situations are called.

Posted by: cdubb | November 12, 2007 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs just on with George and Sonny...said Thrash injury not as bad as they thought...he'll be sore, but should be back "soon". Whatever that means.

Posted by: 4-12 | November 12, 2007 6:03 PM | Report abuse

He said that it has been the same all year. Al calls all the plays. Gibbs just gives him an idea of what he'd like to do. He said that they talk during the game but he never interrupts him while he's calling plays (when the offense is on the field). They were in agreement that on that series they just wanted to do whatever it took to run time off the clock.

Posted by: bigfish | November 12, 2007 6:07 PM | Report abuse

F Dallas
F the players
F the coach who always looks confused
F the stupid hole in the roof
F the mismatched aluminum siding on the outside of the stadium
F their bandwagon fans

That being said, with SeanTay out, I do not have a good feeling at all. Nevertheless, i'll be there cheering my guts out on Sunday. Hail.

Posted by: mile.high | November 12, 2007 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Bigfish, while I would love to see Gibbs get fired up and lose it on the air, Dennis Green's meltdown did not help the Cards win....didn't they get worse after that?

Posted by: Lisa | November 12, 2007 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Memories...

"Wild ending produces 22-19 Redskins win

LANDOVER, Md. (Nov. 5, 2006) -- Joe Gibbs watched his Washington Redskins go from blowing a chance for a last-minute victory over the Dallas Cowboys to preventing a last-minute loss to, somehow, pulling out a win with no time left on the clock.

"Gosh," the Hall of Fame coach said, "I don't know if I've experienced anything like that."

In a finish as crazy as they come, Washington's Nick Novak got two chances to try a winning field goal, missing the first from 49 yards with 31 seconds to go before barely making the second, a 47-yarder after time expired that lifted the Redskins past the Cowboys 22-19.

"It's a short walk from the outhouse to the penthouse," Novak said. "This is what a kicker dreams about. There are ups and downs, and this was the up."

Between Novak's low and high, Dallas kicker Mike Vanderjagt 's chance to win it -- a 35-yarder with 6 seconds left -- was blocked by Troy Vincent. The ball bounced around until Sean Taylor picked it up and made a weaving, tackle-busting return into Dallas territory as time expired. Dallas' Kyle Kosier was flagged for a facemask penalty on the return, tacking on another 15 yards -- and meaning regulation would continue for one more play.

Novak came through this time, sneaking the ball inside the right upright. With his arms up, Novak ran about 50 yards back downfield, and several of his teammates piled on top of him, led by Vincent."

Posted by: bigfish | November 12, 2007 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, Not saying I want Dennis Green here or a meltdown. Just more emotion would be nice. I don't want him to completely lose it. Just get a little fired up instead of the constent "They fought their guts out". I think even the players would get tired of hearing that.

Posted by: bigfish | November 12, 2007 6:28 PM | Report abuse

The stats below can be checked at pro-football-reference.com

Gibbs 1.0:

After 9 games, the 1984 Redskins (11-5) had a record of.... 5-4
After 9 games, the 1985 Redskins (10-6) had a record of.... 5-4
After 9 games, the 1988 Redskins (7-9) had a record of.... 5-4
After 9 games, the 1989 Redskins (10-6) had a record of.... 4-5
After 9 games, the 1990 Redskins (10-6) had a record of.... 5-4

Let's stay positive.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 12, 2007 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Lisa, the Bears loss made them 1-5, after the outburst they went 4-6. Not great, but an improvement still.

Posted by: kost52 | November 12, 2007 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Not that it would make too much difference this week, JM220 is killing me, AND he's a player short!

Posted by: kost52 | November 12, 2007 04:46 PM

Running around the house yelling who's the man. LMGO! Damn I guess T.O. is jumping up and down right now. You know he is the happiest man in Dallas. I was really looking forward to the Reaper laying the wood on his candy a**

Posted by: jm220 | November 12, 2007 6:36 PM | Report abuse

bigfish- They need some "swinging souls" from Gibbs. 34-3 over the Lions after that outburst!

Posted by: 4-12 | November 12, 2007 6:38 PM | Report abuse

MrRedskin bringing the heat and website to back it up. Good job!

Posted by: bigfish | November 12, 2007 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Why's everyone gotta be so pessimistic? The kool-aid tastes so delicious that I've been gulping it down all day long. mmmm good.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | November 12, 2007 6:40 PM | Report abuse

4-12, What's the deal with going back to the old moniker. Have we lost faith? I know 12-4 is now a stretch but you were one off last year too.

Posted by: bigfish | November 12, 2007 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Kool-Aid is for politics... If you have to feel that way about sports, maybe it's time to get a new hobby.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 12, 2007 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Doc Walker was trying to get pumped up this morning with it being Dallas week...but let's face it....we are doomed. For us to win, we would have to play a PERFECT game and Dallas would have to screw up big time. And hey, they already did that in Buffalo and STILL WON. Dallas is playing great....even Romo's bad passes go for completions...we have no receivers in practice and will be minus our best weapon...the Grim Reaper.

Posted by: Lisa | November 12, 2007 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Nice try fake Lisa.

Posted by: bigfish | November 12, 2007 6:45 PM | Report abuse

bigfish- Just didn't feel like I could blog my guts out with that moniker. I was afraid I'd blog a mistake. I was blogging scared.

Posted by: 4-12 | November 12, 2007 6:47 PM | Report abuse

4-12, That sounds like Grilliams style blogging. Bring the heat!

Posted by: bigfish | November 12, 2007 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Hmm. Guys on ESPN (I know they are not Gods) didn't mention anything about Gibbs when talking about the Redskins but they sure were quick to point out the fact that Grilliams has given up on the blitz and his defense gave up 20 points in the 4th quarter yesterday.

Just sayin.

Posted by: bigfish | November 12, 2007 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Bigfish, that really was me. And to make it even worse, Buges just said Terry Glenn will be back for our game...just our luck that Dallas will have yet another good receiver option. Not to mention Tank Johnson got his feet wet yesterday and will be raring to go in our game.

Posted by: Lisa | November 12, 2007 6:55 PM | Report abuse

This week, both the offense, and the defense, have to come out and play like there's nothing to lose. Lay it all on the line.

I just received an email of those Jackass guys, on a see-saw in a rodeo arena, with a bull running around. Those boys have more fingers than brain cells.

Posted by: kost52 | November 12, 2007 6:56 PM | Report abuse

F Dallas.
F fake Dallas fans.
F T.O.
F Romo.
F Jerry Jones.

IT'S DALLAS WEEK!! Yeah, we're probably gonna get spanked, but again, IT'S DALLAS WEEK!

How's that, bigfish?

Later.

Posted by: 4-12 | November 12, 2007 6:59 PM | Report abuse

No way OUR Lisa could have put up the surrender flag like that.

This is Girlz/Skins. Everything else gets thrown out the window. Anything is possible. Our offense is looking good now. Romo has already shown that he can thow 5 INT's in a game. I have faith. It's just a little but I still have it.

Posted by: bigfish | November 12, 2007 7:02 PM | Report abuse

I am listening to the Coach press conf. on Skins.com. " I am sure there is a way I could have help within the 5". No F ing kidding! "We have shown this is what we going to be for the rest of the season". Shut the F up! That type of talk is what is costing us the games. Stop playing not to lose!

Posted by: jm220 | November 12, 2007 7:02 PM | Report abuse

"Knowing that the rest of the year we know our games are going to come down to a yard or less than a yard". Yeah it's time for him to go! You can't be a coach and talk like that. What do you think you team is thinking right now!

Posted by: jm220 | November 12, 2007 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Since when are Redskins fans afraid of Tank Johnson?

He's only scary when he's driving on the highway.

As for Terry Glenn being able to play, in the words of Bill Parcells, "She's coming along."

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 12, 2007 7:05 PM | Report abuse

I've been wondering because I haven't heard their names and that is usually a good thing when it comes to playing corner but has anyone noticed how Torrence or Eubanks is doing? I think Eubanks was primarily being used on teams but I saw Torrence in there a few times and thought he did a good job.

Posted by: bigfish | November 12, 2007 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Can't give up, you never know what'll happen. Rock might take one all the way, Springs might get his first pick of the season and take it all the way. Leonard Davis might get hungry and eat Romo. These things do happen.

Posted by: kost52 | November 12, 2007 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Kevin Eubanks? I heard the guy smokes a ton of wacky-tobacy.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | November 12, 2007 7:18 PM | Report abuse

can someone please give me good reason why Redskins signed Fred Smoot?he was not a good player before he is not now the only thing that he offers us his BIG mouth.in every game that he plays he commit a costly foul.i hope i dont see him next season.& he says he doesnt know whats wrong with Redskins.we know whats wrong..is YOU thats wahts wrong.your were of the reason we lost to Eagles.with all due respect for Gibbs.i think he has to let Campbell plays his game with long throus because with this short passes i dont think we can win any games.its not the 80s.now the games plays faster i dont think the 80s game plans worksany more.
i think Redskins needs to find 1-2 tall WR
i remeber those days when the Redskins played bad game in 1st half & coming back from half time played as super ball team.
what happened to those days?now you dont know what happenes the next quarter..i know we are better the Giants & Cowboys &the Eagles..Fred Smoot please let us proud to be a forever a REDSKINS fun.
Masood Etebar

Posted by: MMACK318 | November 12, 2007 7:24 PM | Report abuse

So much of next week is going to come down to Landry. Can the rook step up in the absence of The Reaper, against our biggest rival. Big game for the young fella.

I'm not too worried about Tank Johnson, he's not so much a penetrating type DT, but more a DT who eats up blockers. Whereas Leonard Davis is a blocker who eats up everything.

Posted by: kost52 | November 12, 2007 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Man, now it's all Smoot's fault? Did he miss a tackle on Westbrook's run? Did he blow the coverage on that bomb by McNabb?

Look, knucklehead, he's the best we got right now to play opposite Springs. Who do you think we should have signed in free agency that was better than Smoot? Nate Clements? For $30 mill the guy's getting lit up these days in San Francisco.

I guess that with Rodgers gone all the misplaced hate that we had for him has to go somewhere. But, Smoot?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 12, 2007 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Random thoughts..

Watching Tank yesterday, for the most part he didn't look like a NT. I'd love to see them go back to a 4-3 with our current roster.

I don't think you need to be afraid of Terry Glenn. But then, I thought Greg Ellis was through and said so many times in the offseason.

I still think there is a "Redskins Mystique" in this rivalry, and I'd be surprised if the teams are separated by more than a TD at the end of the day (to use a tired old British expression that Americans have now seized upon).

Boys fans do still want McFadden, because we hate Julius Jones. Maybe we can trade a 1 and a 2 to Redcoat's fish for the pick.

Yeah Kost, wanted that clean sheet too, for my boy Kolo. Three goals and Cesc doesn't score? WTF! Don't forget to sell your Africans before (never thought I'd type that) before the African Nations Cup. That might kill me there!

Fantasy: Is losing Steven Jackson not injury enough for everyone? Zeeb, 4th, and Kost will have something to say before it's all said and done. But don't forget I did win the RI NCAA pool too ;-). I have no life...give me this!

I misread's Lisa's post about Gibbs getting fired

up. I about fell of the chair.

Posted by: SMACK1 | November 12, 2007 8:04 PM | Report abuse

MMack,

Your grip of the English language and grammer is horrendous. Just thought I should point that out.

Dallas will lose this weekend. Trust me. Campbell is being unleashed. We just let one get away, it wont happen again.

Posted by: kennyisbigk911 | November 12, 2007 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Yeah my post could have used a proofreader as well. And an editor. And probably a psychiatrist.

Posted by: SMACK1 | November 12, 2007 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Kost, Landry, maybe, but it really comes down to Williams. How's he going to use what he's got to get the most out of them? Shouldn't put too much on Landry and he hasn't been playing Taylor's position.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 12, 2007 8:12 PM | Report abuse

SMACK- Look, we do feel sorry for you, since you're a Cowboys fan and all, but we're not going to go and LET you win these things! Until you actually DO win them, then we DID let you win!

....I think??

Posted by: kost52 | November 12, 2007 8:23 PM | Report abuse

What did we do to deserve this craptastic Monday night matchup? MNF needs to take NBC's lead and opt for flex scheduling.

Posted by: bigfish | November 12, 2007 8:23 PM | Report abuse

No-talent evaluator needs to shut the heck up! No credibility since he talked all last week that it ain't the coaching it's the players, then throws Gibbs under the bus after yesterday's game.....

Posted by: Soups1 | November 12, 2007 8:24 PM | Report abuse

TE - You're probably right, I just thought that PP wouldn't be able to play the 'centre field' role good enough to replace Taylor, and that Landry might be used differently to how he is now.

Posted by: kost52 | November 12, 2007 8:26 PM | Report abuse

(From a Dallas paper last week, I deleted some corny references to Britney Spears)

Monday Musings: Redskins present no threat
By JENNIFER FLOYD ENGEL

http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/story/284513.html

So much for the Redskins being a viable threat.

They blow chunks.

No, really, they are not good.

After watching Skins coach Joe Gibbs and his crew fail to show in a 52-7 loss to New England on Sunday, a certain 48-27 Cowboys loss does not look so bad.

In fact, it looks downright good. Certainly for their NFC East chances.

The Cowboys did not beat the Patriots; they were not really that close. What they did do was score with Tom Brady for a bit, a feat not accomplished by anybody else. Certainly not Washington.

Cowboys observers walk away from this bye weekend with an understanding that Dallas is closer to New England/Indy than to Washington/NYG.

About the only bad Cowboy news from Sunday came from L.A. If people.com is to be believed, Tony Romo spent his bye week as a member of Brit's entourage.

... We were having this debate, sans Brit, in the Cowboys press box a couple of weeks ago. Who was the second best team in the NFC East? Was it the Giants or the Redskins?

Quickly, a word on the Eagles, who obviously have been left out of this little debate despite them having been a rather gigantic pain in Cowboy rear ends in recent seasons.

Philly, where Cowboy Nation and myself kick off post-bye week festivities, has been a practical disaster area for Owner Jones in recent seasons. Beating them, period, has been a problem.

So, while Donovan and Co. have struggled this season, they still must be considered armed and dangerous.

Especially after what they did to that supposedly good Vikings defense.

The real contenders are the Redskins and Giants?

I say the Giants are the bigger problem, and Sunday's games only furthered this belief. This is not so much based on what the Giants did because, really, does beating the Dolphins even count in the standings any more?

This is based on what the Redskins were unable to do, which includes making Brady sweat for even a second.

People may not want to hear this, but Cowboys receiver Patrick Crayton may have a point on this Pats defense.

They can be scored upon, and the 'Skins were rumored to have a defense capable of, at least, slowing New England.

Those rumors are false.

Gibbs has neither the defense to stop the Pats nor the offense to play with them. In other words, the Redskins are not as good as the Cowboys. Neither are the Giants, but they appear closer.

In terms of threats, though, Brit has to rank No. 1.

Somebody needs to keep this train wreck away from Romo. Immediately.

Posted by: Alan4 | November 12, 2007 8:29 PM | Report abuse

What did we do to deserve this craptastic Monday night matchup? MNF needs to take NBC's lead and opt for flex scheduling.

Posted by: bigfish | November 12, 2007 08:23 PM

Games like this are why god invented betting, beer, a BYGO!. I've got Niners +10 and the over 37.5, Looking for the 23-17 Hawks win.

Posted by: SMACK1 | November 12, 2007 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Kost, Whoever he puts back there, it's a big dropoff from Reaper. But, he's only got who he's got. Landry was doing good with the blitzes, and maybe Williams tries more of that this week. I'm eager to see how he plays it -- after all the second g in Gregg is for "genius." Now's his time to walk the walk.

One thing's for sure, Gibbs won't be offering him any advice -- the second g ain't for Gibbs.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 12, 2007 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Gibbs never came back to save the franchise; he came back to get $6 million a year like anyone of us would have. Now it's time to kick his sorry ass out of town along with Saunders and their 750-page playbook. 4 years in to a program and they can't even manage the clock? and we're talking about playoffs? Playoffs? (sorry; channeled Jim Mora there for a second).

All kidding aside, our only shot to beat Dallas is to have Romo and Owens get a bad case of food poisoning. And even then we'd still be a 7-point dog going in.

Soups had 3 quarters of a great outing, but clearly panicked in the last stanza. No doubt about it. When it's all boiled down to gravy, they don't pay you to play well for three quarters; they pay you to win by coming through in the clutch. He didn't do that. He didn't lose the game; no way we can hang it all on him. But he needs to start taking that next leap forward. And soon.

Too bad about the Reaper; don't let him rush back. It's not like we're going anywhere. Get him healthy first.

Posted by: Soups1 | November 12, 2007 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Seahawks have the ugliest unis...IN ALL THE LAND. I think the Steelers' throwbacks look better than that.

Posted by: SMACK1 | November 12, 2007 8:33 PM | Report abuse

I wish that the local media would ask Joe about the Jumbo package being out dated...Why let the defense put everyone in the box? Because we everyone inside their defense...Drives me nuts..

Posted by: Dkessler | November 12, 2007 8:34 PM | Report abuse

I got 9ers straight up. They're playing with emotion tonight. Alex Smith is back. Frank Gore is healthy. Patrick Willis is a beast.

Posted by: bigfish | November 12, 2007 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Alan4--I'd be willing to give them Sally Jenkins for this Jennifer Floyd Engel broad plus their second round pick.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 12, 2007 8:36 PM | Report abuse

I thought about it, bigfish, but I didn't have the stones to take the moneyline. The over/unders generally get me anyway. Good luck with it.

Posted by: SMACK1 | November 12, 2007 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Ok, I stopped being lazy....

Now, how I felt earlier is how I felt earlier and I feel better now. Gibbs will not leave after this season. We will hunker down and upend the Cowgirls this sunday in Irvin......

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 12, 2007 8:37 PM | Report abuse

4th -- Good to see you back as yourself and as your old self. But I hope you're not too literal about that "hunker down." Hunkering down has been out problem -- it ain't the solution.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 12, 2007 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: bigfish | November 12, 2007 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Sure, Joe Gibbs came back -12 years after retiring - because he needed the $6 million

Running that winning NASCAR team was really making him broke.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 12, 2007 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Hey, the game might not be much but we can look forward to seeing Drew Carey in the booth!

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 12, 2007 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Damn, Drew Carey in the booth for the 3rd quarter. He's alright but is he gonna talk Price is Right strategy?

That ball was like a half hour late.

Posted by: SMACK1 | November 12, 2007 8:42 PM | Report abuse

WOW! That pass was 10 feet over the receiver's head.

Posted by: bigfish | November 12, 2007 8:43 PM | Report abuse

My first impression is that the 49ers are missing Brandon Lloyd.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 12, 2007 8:46 PM | Report abuse

FYI: Jennifer Floyd Engel is not only a lame scribbler, she's apparently a psycho homer.

Here she is (link below) going ballistic and dropping F-bombs everywhere on radio after a Dallas Stars loss... Kind of funny, actually.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7X-LXI-nYq0

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 12, 2007 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Hunkering down in the sense of actually becomeing better in the mental area, coaches and players alike.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 12, 2007 8:48 PM | Report abuse

MrRedskin,

Thanks for putting that up. After hearing that, I'm willing to trade her for Sally Jenkins, straight up. They don't have to give us their second pick, just give us Jennifer Floyd.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 12, 2007 8:51 PM | Report abuse

I don't really care who wins, I just want a high scoring game from Hasselbeck. jm220 has a 23 point lead, and Vernon Davis versus my Hasselbeck and Josh Brown.

I'm hoping that with Shaun Alexander out, it'll be a pass happy offense.

Posted by: kost52 | November 12, 2007 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Nate Clements may just be the most overrated overpaid player in the NFL right now.

Posted by: bigfish | November 12, 2007 8:54 PM | Report abuse

bigfish--

Lot of competition for overrated, overpaid. Remember Dockery?

Did you see the features yesterday on Clements showing him getting beat consistently by the famous "double move"? I think it was Jaws running the tape and saying, "Look for it on Monday night."

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 12, 2007 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Man I can't count. jm has a 32 point lead. I'm deadmeat.

Posted by: kost52 | November 12, 2007 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Dockery seems to be holding up well in Boofalo. Not that I would have agreed to paying him that much to stay with the Skins. Clements however is bad and his contract is almost twice as much as Dockery's if I'm not mistaken.

Posted by: bigfish | November 12, 2007 9:03 PM | Report abuse

kost -- 13 plays, 11 of 'em passes. Is that what you meant by pass happy?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 12, 2007 9:03 PM | Report abuse

"An MRI on Monday revealed a grade 2 sprain of the MCL in Taylor's right knee. He limped gingerly into Redskins Park late in the day and left the building on crutches without commenting about his injury.

"He's going to be out at least two weeks," trainer Bubba Tyer said. "After that we'll take it week-to-week."

Left tackle Chris Samuels sustained a Grade 2 MCL sprain early in training camp and missed all four preseason games, although Tyer cautioned that no two knee injuries are the same."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80424082&template=with-video&confirm=true

Posted by: bigfish | November 12, 2007 9:09 PM | Report abuse

TE, this is exactly what I want! Gaps now down to 19!

Posted by: kost52 | November 12, 2007 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Ugh - The 9ers suck.

Posted by: bigfish | November 12, 2007 9:17 PM | Report abuse

These 49ers are making me glad I'm a Skins fan!!

Posted by: kost52 | November 12, 2007 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Kost, sportal EPL league is updated if you want to check it out.

This is grim. I just keep telling myself, "is football, must watch, is football, must watch".

Posted by: SMACK1 | November 12, 2007 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Dockery is earning his $$$ at the moment. Dockery and his new LT buddy were on Playbook this past week talking about how they bust holes for Marshawn Lynch....

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 12, 2007 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Look at all those penalties on the niners. Must be the coaches' fault, right Riggoo, Poop McP, mmz?

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 12, 2007 9:23 PM | Report abuse

IMO we got someone just as good if not better than Dockery for 1/20 of the price. Good deal if you ask me.

Posted by: bigfish | November 12, 2007 9:25 PM | Report abuse

From Peter King:

"A change of coaches, to the blank-slate Mike Tomlin, who treated Roethlisberger as more of a team-leader type than Bill Cowher did -- whether Big Ben deserved it or not. And Roethlisberger has responded. Through 10 weeks, he's the NFL's second-ranked quarterback, behind Tom Brady, and Sunday's performance in a 31-28 win over Cleveland might have been the best of his career.

"

They could be saying that about JC in a couple of years.......

Posted by: 4thFloor | November 12, 2007 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, saw my score and was pretty happy with it, until I saw everyone else's! High scoring round!

Just had a look at Back to Back's team, I don't know where he got his money from! I don't think I can compete with that team!

Posted by: kost52 | November 12, 2007 9:32 PM | Report abuse

kost I was going to ask you if you know that Back2Back guy, Leon. My score is a little skewed by that half-week the EPL had in week 2 when I had nobody playing. But Back2Back looks formidable indeed.

Posted by: SMACK1 | November 12, 2007 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Way to earn that money Clements.

Posted by: bigfish | November 12, 2007 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Straight up looks bad, the over looks horrible. Niners can't get out of their own way.

Posted by: SMACK1 | November 12, 2007 9:44 PM | Report abuse

DON'T RUN THE BALL YOU IDIOTS!!! PASS IT!!


Deficit is now 14.

Posted by: kost52 | November 12, 2007 9:52 PM | Report abuse

9ers down by 17. They won't score that much for the rest of the year looking like this.

Posted by: bigfish | November 12, 2007 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Wish we had a crowd like the Seahawks. Instead we have a bunch of stuffy PC snobs that come out for the social event otherwise known as a Redskins game.

Posted by: bigfish | November 12, 2007 9:57 PM | Report abuse

If the 49ers punter was paid per kick, he'd be as rich as Nate Clements.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 12, 2007 9:57 PM | Report abuse

bigfish,

You called it on the punting. Before the game, Jason Baker of Carolina had the most punts -- 55. Colquitt of KC had 54, and Lee of SF had 53. After the game? Dude's going to wear out his leg before he's 38 -- short career for a punter.

Posted by: talent_evaluator | November 12, 2007 10:09 PM | Report abuse

The news about Taylor just about wraps up the feeling about the season - so much potential down the camode.

Posted by: bangkokben | November 12, 2007 10:09 PM | Report abuse

IF THE 49ERS MAKE YOU GLAD THAT YOUR A REDSKIN FAN THEN YOU REALLY ARE A MORON BECAUSE THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO TEAMS IS THE 49ERS WILL GET A HIGHER DRAFT PICK WHICH IS WORTH MORE!!

Posted by: jm220luvscowboys | November 12, 2007 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Being 5-4 is preferable to being a fan of a team that features malcontent sociopaths like Terrell Owens and Tank Johnson.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 12, 2007 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Not happy. Still down by 12, and Brown has had a FG waved off due to a penalty, then another one pushed back 5 yards for a false start which then went wide. That could hurt in the long run.

Posted by: kost52 | November 12, 2007 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Hey guys i wanted you to know i couldnt believe my own spin anymore so i got my cowboy jersey out of the closet. GO AMERICAS TEAM smac to the back of your head bigfish! and from here out we ITA all kool-aide drinkers!!

Posted by: jm220luvscowboys | November 12, 2007 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Actually the Pats have the 49ers 1st round draft pick so it really doesn't matter to them. Keep trying though.

Posted by: bigfish | November 12, 2007 10:16 PM | Report abuse

jm220luvscowboys, mmz, Riggo44, 1967 = same person dying for attention.

Posted by: bigfish | November 12, 2007 10:20 PM | Report abuse

MrRedskin
if you prefer a LOSER team of 20 years thats your own stupidity but Crying about Tank just before he smashes your femle QB into ground & being a sissy about Owens just before he steals landrys cleats shows wat a true idiot you are!! Smack to the back of your head

Posted by: jm220luvscowboys | November 12, 2007 10:21 PM | Report abuse

I wish they would give us some NASCAR news from time to time.

Posted by: SMACK1 | November 12, 2007 10:21 PM | Report abuse

bigfish=TROLL king

Posted by: jm220luvscowboys | November 12, 2007 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Observations:

q) Anybody else notice the Seahawks spread it 4-wide, and then call a run from the 5-yard line, and see the RB basically walk into the end zone? Anybody? ANYBODY?! (He yells in the direction of Gibbs)

g) The 49ers suck.

Posted by: 4-12 | November 12, 2007 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Actually it gives the 49ers the highest possible 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th so it does matter to them bigfish or troll or dumbass?

Posted by: jm220luvscowboys | November 12, 2007 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Rally 'Round!

Posted by: SMACK1 | November 12, 2007 10:27 PM | Report abuse

And I'm sure that's what you were referring to with your initial idiotic statement mmz..er Riggo44..er 1967..er whatever alter-ego you go by.

Posted by: bigfish | November 12, 2007 10:28 PM | Report abuse

bigfish
I wouldnt have to keep trying if you had an ounce of football common sense!Now run back to your troll caves where your troll family is waiting!!

Posted by: jm220luvscowboys | November 12, 2007 10:28 PM | Report abuse

jm220luvscowboys:

My apologies.

I keep forgetting that you're one of the mentally unstable human zeros who spend their time on the WaPo web site playing cyber tough-guy, using other people's names, and beating your scrawny chest over the Dallas Cowboys.

So.... How's that workin' out for ya?

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 12, 2007 10:29 PM | Report abuse

bigfish
the statement of difference between 49ers & skins was drafting higher what more do you need? if i had CRAYONS i would help you understand more but i dont so run along with your troll family!

Posted by: jm220luvscowboys | November 12, 2007 10:32 PM | Report abuse

MrRedskin
I accept your apology

Posted by: jm220luvscowboys | November 12, 2007 10:34 PM | Report abuse

MrRedskin
is the 21 your penis size?

Posted by: jm220luvscowboys | November 12, 2007 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Isn't it past your bedtime or is your mom too busy turning tricks to pay for your subsidized rent, her crack habit and your dial up internet access? I guess she can't afford the Crayons after all that.

Posted by: bigfish | November 12, 2007 10:36 PM | Report abuse

c'mon guys! it's just football, a sport, fun-n-games! sports has been used as a diversion by the governments. thus the roman empire. everyone should just stop watching sports and focus our attention on our leaders and our government.

this is the perfect week to say F-sports and focus on what these fools who're auditioning to be the "world's most powerful person" are saying.

instead of watching the skins and cowboys i urge ever skins fan to write a letter to their congressman (or find out who your congressperson is. and tell them that you'll be watching him from now on.

randomly chose soldiers who've lost their life and or have been injured a thank you letter.

instead of watching the skins and girls game go out with your kids and teach them something.

and if the skins win. then that ought to be a sign to you that you're an idiot! for listening to someone named "dealer" on the internets. just kidding!

Posted by: dealer | November 12, 2007 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Did ol' Mo just change teams?

Probably not.

Posted by: SMACK1 | November 12, 2007 10:38 PM | Report abuse

MrRedskin I hope you dont leave now after you talked about my CHEST which I got your hint and thats why I mentioned your penis so please dont get shy?

Posted by: jm220luvscowboys | November 12, 2007 10:38 PM | Report abuse

November 5th, 2006: REDSKINS 22, Cowboys 19
September 17th, 2006: COWBOYS 27, Redskins 10
December 18th, 2005: REDSKINS 35, Cowboys 7
September 19th, 2005: Redskins 14, COWBOYS 13

Hmmm.... That's 3 of the last 4 meetings to the Skins.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 12, 2007 10:40 PM | Report abuse

is it just me or this login binness make this blog worse?

Posted by: dealer | November 12, 2007 10:40 PM | Report abuse

bigfish
With an ugly ass TROLL wife like yours its easy to see why your not in bed!

Posted by: jm220luvscowboys | November 12, 2007 10:41 PM | Report abuse

larry allen is still playing??? smack?

Posted by: dealer | November 12, 2007 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Now THIS (the 49ers) is an inept offense.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 12, 2007 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Not just you dealer. All registration does is give the trolls a name or names in the case of the multiple identities that we are seeing lately.

Posted by: bigfish | November 12, 2007 10:43 PM | Report abuse

MrRedskin21:

yes, Joe came back for the money. If you had bothered to read his autobiography (that means a book he wrote about himself, he's very clear that he lost a bundle. And NASCAR takes a wad of money to operate if you want to be the guy in charge. Know your history...

Posted by: Soups1 | November 12, 2007 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Mrredskin
thats the farthest you could go back for wins you FUC**NG moron! You made your own self look stupid i didnt have to

Posted by: jm220luvscowboys | November 12, 2007 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Guess you would know best bigfish King TROLL

Posted by: jm220luvscowboys | November 12, 2007 10:45 PM | Report abuse

It's 9:44 where I live. Sorry but not even my wife let alone your trick turning mom makes me go to bed this early. Nice comeback though. What a witty one you are.

Posted by: bigfish | November 12, 2007 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Riggo44:

So his autobioraphy states he came back for the money?

Sure it does, fella.

Before you go dispensing advice on what people should "know," try getting some facts yourself next time.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 12, 2007 10:46 PM | Report abuse

jm220luvscowboys:

My, you're a brave one. Even with the anonymity of your tough-guy-hide-behind-a-keyboard-persona, you still put asteriks in your profanity.

Very courageous.

You're just way too tough for me.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 12, 2007 10:48 PM | Report abuse

MrRedskin
15 wins in a row 2005 back if your bringing up those 3 pathetic wins now get ready for my chest pic im sending you and in exchange you pick somthing on you to send?

Posted by: jm220luvscowboys | November 12, 2007 10:49 PM | Report abuse

MrRedskin
God i luv it when you talk those big words it makes me so ????

Posted by: jm220luvscowboys | November 12, 2007 10:51 PM | Report abuse

It's OK, jm220luvscowboys.

I expect you to put asteriks in your profanity because, like most Dallas fans, deep down you're a gutless weasel.

But I won't hold that against you. :)

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 12, 2007 10:51 PM | Report abuse

MrRedskin
if im hiding behind anonymity not real name then what are you doing MRREDSKIN guess thats real what a moron

Posted by: jm220luvscowboys | November 12, 2007 10:53 PM | Report abuse

Drew Carey could suit up and run this 49ers offense better than Smith.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 12, 2007 10:55 PM | Report abuse

MrREDSKIN
Sexy smile you have there back at you sweety

Posted by: jm220luvscowboys | November 12, 2007 10:55 PM | Report abuse

jm220luvscowboys is getting a little to risque for me. Obviously while his mom is out turning tricks his dad is staying home fondling him.

Posted by: bigfish | November 12, 2007 10:55 PM | Report abuse

OPRAH WINFREY
could put on redskin uniform and run that offense better then chicken Campbell noodle

Posted by: jm220luvscowboys | November 12, 2007 10:57 PM | Report abuse

bigfish
takes a cild molester to know one?
Internet police will be calling washington post TROLL

Posted by: jm220luvscowboys | November 12, 2007 10:58 PM | Report abuse

wow, the humor on this blog has gotten, well..un-humorous...

Posted by: chrislarry | November 12, 2007 11:00 PM | Report abuse

bigfish
takes a CHILD molester to know one? The internet police will be contacting post for your email Troll

Posted by: jm220luvscowboys | November 12, 2007 11:01 PM | Report abuse

bigfish
takes a CHILD molester to know one? The internet police will be contacting post for your email Troll

Posted by: jm220luvscowboys | November 12, 2007 11:01 PM | Report abuse

I'm sorry JMluvscowgirlz. I shouldn't poke fun at the unfortunate children like yourself. It's parents like yours who destroy the hopes and dreams of so many children in our society. I only wish that you will find something to cling on to, some sort of role model, anything to lead you towrads a productive life. Good luck child.

Posted by: bigfish | November 12, 2007 11:02 PM | Report abuse

let me beat u to it:

"chris larry, why dont you go sniff your gannies panties you kool aid gulping bukake queen, and dont forget to reach around cooley as you exit snyder chocolate canel, loser troll!"

Posted by: chrislarry | November 12, 2007 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Sorry CL. I'm no Jerry Seinfeld.

Posted by: bigfish | November 12, 2007 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Well, jm220luvscowboys is repeating its posts and is now in full Meltdown mode, and I guess Riggo44 is off flipping through his copy of Gibbs autobiography, trying to find where Gibbs actually says he needs to return to football because he's penniless from all those NASCAR victories, endorsement deals, his job at NBC Sports, etc., etc., et al.

Think I'll go do some reading myself.

Posted by: MrRedskin21 | November 12, 2007 11:04 PM | Report abuse

-- UPDATE ON THRASH
James Thrash suffered a high ankle sprain in Sunday's game against the Eagles. He was at Redskins Park on Monday walking on crutches.

His status for the Dallas game will be determined later this week, but team officials were not optimistic he would be available.

"It would depend on James," Joe Gibbs said. "I want to see him during the week. But I was told it was mild."

Gibbs praised Thrash for his performance on Sunday. Playing against his former team, Thrash had five catches for 85 yards and two touchdowns. He also had a special teams tackle.

"He means a lot to us in a lot of different places," Gibbs said. "I think James had caught three passes all season up until his opportunity [against the Eagles], so I can't brag on him enough.

"That's an example of what can happen and what we are going to need to happen down the stretch here for us to play well."


-- MOSS: A TIME TO HEEL
Joe Gibbs revealed that Santana Moss underwent an MRI on his injured heel on Monday. The results proved what team officials thought all along: Moss has a bruised heel.

Moss sat out Sunday's game against the Eagles as a result of the injured heel.

Moss is expected to increase his running as the team begins practice on Wednesday. His status for the Dallas game will be determined later this week.

Posted by: cdubb | November 12, 2007 11:05 PM | Report abuse

big fish...not really talking atchu..

Posted by: chrislarry | November 12, 2007 11:05 PM | Report abuse

Watching Alex Smith tonight makes Soup look like Joe Montana.

Posted by: bigfish | November 12, 2007 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Sure am glad that Cowboy fan left he was really starting to make sense and i had to go dip into my kool-aide stash.

Posted by: bigfishsuktroll | November 12, 2007 11:20 PM | Report abuse

Sure am glad that Cowboy fan left he was really starting to make sense and i had to go dip into my kool-aide stash.

Posted by: bigfishsuktroll | November 12, 2007 11:20 PM

Now that's funny!

Posted by: bigfish | November 12, 2007 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Jaws is gushing over Tony Romo and its time to realize he is the real deal and the skins are going to be 500 after sunday!

Posted by: booredskinfanhoo | November 12, 2007 11:27 PM | Report abuse

Sorry guys. I can't control myself. My mom is out sucking the pipe among other things and my dad just left me after feeling me up and showing me how to put on lipstick. I admit that I am jm220luvscowboys, mmz, 1967, Riggo44 and booredskinshoo. I have no life and I look to this blog for the only attention that I can get.

Posted by: bigfishsuktroll | November 12, 2007 11:28 PM | Report abuse

cdubb moss suked when he was healthy in beginning of year so him being available now sure wont put fear in many Defenses especially the Cowboys!!

Posted by: booredskinfanhoo | November 12, 2007 11:29 PM | Report abuse

bigfish
I think if you didnt let your troll wife pay for sex and your troll kids to sell the drugs and hide your own gay troll life in the closet you wouldnt have to strike out and normal america would appreciate it?

Posted by: booredskinfanhoo | November 12, 2007 11:34 PM | Report abuse

RedskinRay -- at KC, it was 17-6. 11 points (I did put 18 with a ? because I didn't know) -- I'll grant that my memory wasn't right, but not bad for something that happened 36 years ago!!!

Posted by: zcezcest1 | November 12, 2007 11:40 PM | Report abuse

The only way to win Sunday is to get in a shootout. Dallas is going to put 30 points on the board. Without Taylor, the D is clearly gonna be in trouble. However, the offense can potentially win the game. The Dallas secondary's coverage does not scare me, and we must challenge it all day. Take plenty of deep shots, who knows what will happen with pass interference and a little luck, see Reggie Brown's catch.

Posted by: kreitman4 | November 12, 2007 11:44 PM | Report abuse

Boo
your right and i will see a priest in the morning afterall i will be there praying for our sucky team anyways.

Posted by: bigfiish | November 12, 2007 11:45 PM | Report abuse

Kreitman4
Dallas secondary doesnt scare you and take deep shots all day long?? JC will be on his back all day and they just got back both starting corners ask Paxico about them and throw in Tank and redskins will not pass for over 100 yds unless junk yds when game is over!!

Posted by: bigfiish | November 12, 2007 11:48 PM | Report abuse

Maybe the Skins can hold open tryouts for Wide Receiver, Linebacker, Saftey, Guard, Corner etc. Marky mark can help us out a-la Invincible.

I'd like to see somebody with the guts to punch Cooley in the face for jumping offsides down at the two and ruining the Thrash third td. He needs some tough love from a leader. I have him on my fantasy squad and love him as a player, but he needs guidance- seems mentally weak sometimes- maybe a dreamer. Yoder too.

Grilliams, well, he is two or three hitters away from a full deck. Every reconstructed knee in the league scrambles on the Skins all of the sudden. Preilou was doing his best imitation of Ade Jimoh out there in place of the Reaper.

Westbrook made Landry look foolish.

I have zero hope for the Cowboys game and the rest of the season. Too many injuries went into all those losses.

Turn out the lights, the party is over...

Posted by: DownTownClown | November 13, 2007 12:14 AM | Report abuse

I am not a Gibbs hater....I miss terribly what he was known for in Gibbs 1.0 --- excellent half time adjustments. We are losing the second half in every game this year, even when we get lucky and win.

On another coaching related thing ---Ask yourself this - do you think that this coaching ensemble gets the most out of the talent that it has? Or are they underachieving?

I am not so sure. But yesterday, I'd have to say they were underachieving. And that's a coaching problem, in the end.

Posted by: carocanesfan | November 13, 2007 12:59 AM | Report abuse

Gibbs cant defend anything because at the end of the day your judged
by your wins & losses and you are what your record says you are and that would be 5-4 and until this drops below 500 he gets a pass.

Posted by: jm220luvscowboys | November 13, 2007 6:31 AM | Report abuse

It is very difficult to make a come back. Gibbs let he is ego get the best of him. Thinking with the smaller brain does that.
Only successful sports comeback was MJ the first time. And praying to your god doesnt help because he really doesnt care about sports. What the Deadskins need is an owner who cares more about wins and losses than about after tax profit and the bottom line and is mature enough let people who know more than he does run the football team! Only way the Deadskins will be successful is if Snyder sells the team or his pending divorce forces him to divest the team and give his ex half the profits.
Too many alleged mensa members running a sports team is not a good thing. BTW did Al ever make to the conference finals or the SB? Will the Deadskins win another game this year? Have an idea for next home game why dont the players and Redskinettes switch places. The ladies can probably play 4 quarters. The players have given up
and they dont believe. Watch their body language and fi Gibb by his own body language doesnt believe in himself.

Posted by: dave2002ti | November 13, 2007 6:51 AM | Report abuse

dave excellent points & wheather we like it or not the Cowboys & Romo are for real and it took 4 years of Parcells drafts to fill that team with young great talent.Add a few FAs & they are ready to compete for a SB on a consistent basis.

Snyder has never rebuilt this team from top to bottom because he knows redskin fans wont accept that and its always a win now attitude that has not & wont work.Snyder is more interested in filling seats and selling Overpriced products that skin fans gladly pay for.

Posted by: jm220luvscowboys | November 13, 2007 7:25 AM | Report abuse

Cowboys are favored by 10 1/2 which is an indication of what Vegas thinks of the two teams.
JC has not faced a rush like this one because they just got back both starting corners and dont underestimate the addition of Tank in the middle who had 1 sack in gmen game Ware & Ellis will bottle QBs up with Tank in the middle.This game will be ugly and painful.Cowboys have destroyed all the bad teams and redskins fall into that category!

Posted by: bigfishsuktroll | November 13, 2007 7:42 AM | Report abuse

It is very difficult to make a come back. Gibbs let he is ego get the best of him.

Posted by: dave2002ti | November 13, 2007 06:51 AM

Look, regardless of what you think of Gibbs, something significant happened Sunday late.

The city reached its tipping point with him. It's the same thing that happened to Weis in South Bend Saturday after the Air Force lost.

The majority of people now want him out. It's just that simple.

Sunday's game will not go well. The truly critical game is in Tampa. If the Skins lose (and they will not be favored), then things get...uglier and perhaps unsustainable.

Posted by: gdennie | November 13, 2007 7:57 AM | Report abuse

JLa, nice article on Gibbs this morning. It really made me realize what upsets me the most about him "UP HERE"... he doesn't think anything is wrong.

I mean, 13 losses after half time must be some sort of weird coincidence, right? The burning of timeouts must be something the media makes up, right? The mass confusion on the sidelines is something we all see with our own 2 eyes, but we must be all dreaming, right? The ultra conservative play calling is simply not true...

Everyone in this town (minus a few dopes) realize that there is a fundamental problem with this team... there has been since Gibby made his "return to glory", which currently stands at 26-31. But the main issue is that the people at Redskin Park, particularily Gibbs, Snyder, and Cerato still think they're "going about things the right way up here".

We should be 8-1 and right in the thick of things. Now we're 5-5 (yes, we are going to get destroyed in Big D) with a critical game in Tampa. Will we sneak in at 8-8 or 9-7? Maybe... but who really cares about a first or second round exit from the playoffs in the NFC? That's all this team is capable of under Gibbs and I'm not okay with it. No one in this town should be, especially after 15 years of crap. But the 2-3 people we desperately need to understand that there really is a bigger fundamental issue with this franchise, well, they still think everything is hunky dorrie (sp?).

Not good for us.

Posted by: RickyBobby | November 13, 2007 8:17 AM | Report abuse

Jason! You nailed it this morning with your article! Clearly, folks are starting to see plain examples of Gibbs being so out of touch in 2.0. Those 3 superbowl trophies are ancient history. Good man, lousy coach now.

What riles most folks is that the genius label is off him now. That goes back to Bill Walsh. Hard to call someone a genius who can't even manage timeouts. If they don't win the Dallas game, you'll see two things: (1) Snyder will publicly endorse Gibbs (a sure sign of trouble for a coach); and (2) the term "embattled coach" will start to appear in articles. If that happens, it's time to pack your office and looking for a condo in Florida, Joe. Get a 3-bedroom one so you can take Al with you. P.S.: don't let Ladell carry any boxes. He'll only make it two yards and he'll drop the box.....

Posted by: Soups1 | November 13, 2007 8:21 AM | Report abuse

Good coaches realize there is a problem and correct themselves. Bad coaches are too stubborn and simply refuse to look at the fact that things aren't working.

Gibbs' defiant nature yesterday, defending everything and anything, despite all of the facts (26-31, 13 2nd half losses, clock management, etc) proves he's a bad, bad coach this go around.

Hey Vinny, how's that plan coming along? Who's laughing now, you bug eyed freak?

Posted by: RickyBobby | November 13, 2007 8:30 AM | Report abuse

General Stockdale reporting for duty...

"Well, um, like I normally do on . . . We . . . Um, uh, what day is it?" Gibbs said. "Monday," the room answered back. "Just checkin'. Seems like I don't know where I am. I'm drifting here in some place."

Posted by: RickyBobby | November 13, 2007 8:36 AM | Report abuse

Wow, this place got ugly over night. I have been guilty of throwing insults around here in the past, but I'm going to stop doing that, just not worth the time anymore. I thought that registration would have cleaned this place up a little but no such luck. Oh well.

To the regulars, and you know who you are, lets not lower ourselves any longer to the mud-slinging. We, collectively are better than that.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | November 13, 2007 8:45 AM | Report abuse

You guys are brutal. All I hear is how bad the Skins are every friggin time you post. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Like a broken record. RB and Riggo, how many ways can you express your displeasure with everything Redskins? What is it you like about them? Do you get off on ripping everything they do? When they win it's luck. Between Gibbs 1.0 and 2.0, what was there to cheer about? Getting to the playoffs and possibly round 2 would be a huge success considering our recent past.

I believe most of us had unresonably high expectations when Gibbs returned. But if you had told me we'd go into this season and not have Jansen, Thomas, M Washington, S Moss, and a slew of others, I would expect our record to be worse than it is.

We are in serious trouble because HALF of our starters are out or injured.

Sure, go ahead and say I drink the kool aide, I probably do. But I was around before Gibbs 1.0 and I'm not going anywhere. I have no problem with being critical of the team. But try supporting it once in a while too. Give it a rest.

cosmofla

Posted by: squashmo | November 13, 2007 8:48 AM | Report abuse

Great Post Cosmo.

If following the Redskins causes people this much angst, why follow them?

Posted by: gregmarino88 | November 13, 2007 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Did our optimistic view points break the blog?

Posted by: gregmarino88 | November 13, 2007 9:32 AM | Report abuse

In politics and in pro sports it much more important to watch the body language and how they say it then what they say. The players dont believe, and neither does the coahcing staff. It was a lot more fun alst year to watch Lindsay interview the coaches and watch the wrinkles disappear from their pants. Deadskins need a new owner. Currently they have the most dysfunctional owner in professional sports in the Western World. Even the Bidwells are more competent. Danny Bot, Danny Boy owning a pro sports team will not make up for you lacking in other physical attributes no matter what Tomkat says!

Posted by: dave2002ti | November 13, 2007 9:35 AM | Report abuse

No, I broke the blog.

Posted by: Registration | November 13, 2007 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Chris Larry's formula for moving forward:

1. Gibbs moves upstairs. Takes over head of FB operations or whatever. Let him exit gracefully, finish contract, be the "nascar director" type that probably suits him better. I agree with the FB critisms of Gibbs 2.0 but the guy is still a legend and a good dude.

2. Hire Russ Grimm as HC.

3. Fire Vinny. Have Gibbs and Grimm pick a young, hungry executive that can be groomed as GM, when Gibbs exists fully.

4. Grilliams can stay, IF he can accept Grimm, if not...take the buyout and be gone. If he leaves promote Greg Blanche to keep some continuity on Defensive side.

5. Weird Al...gone...smart coach, didnt work out here for a miriad of reasons.

6. Keep special teams coach. Keep Bugel to mentor Grimm and give him "Don Zimmer" type on staff.

7. Let Grimm pick rest of staff.

8. Keep Portis/springs, jettison marcus washington, Phillip Daniels, Betts.

This plan is the right mix of change, youth in coaching staff and revamping FO, while keeping enough continuity so that its not a complete reshuffle.

Grimm should have been the hire 4 years ago. He brings an updated version of tried and true Gibbs philosophy, mixed in with experience from another winning organization/coach (steelers/cowher) He is the true Gibbs 2.0...

Oh well...thats my fix anyway

Posted by: chrislarry | November 13, 2007 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Great post CL. That very well may work. They should try to trade Betts since they signed him last year. Maybe we could get some type of pick from someone.

Posted by: jm220 | November 13, 2007 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Chris Larry, why do you think Russ Grimm will be such a great head coach? I'm not being sarcastic....I'm seriously asking. Since Pittsburgh bypassed him, it gives me room for pause.

PS: Everyone needs to just stop harping about Snyder. He isn't selling the team so we are stuck with him. It is what it is.

Posted by: Lisa | November 13, 2007 9:59 AM | Report abuse

You don't talk about firing the coach at 5-4 with a QB that just finished his 16th game.

I think people are dreaming with Grimm. I love the guy, but its going to be Williams or Saunders when Gibbs steps down. I think the Danny feels like he's closer to a winner than he's been in a long time (he's probably right) and he'll have no interest in starting over on both sides of the ball. All that said, I think Gibbs is back next year.

Dallas game could get ugly fast without Sean Taylor out there. Then again, Prioleau has usually been solid, so maybe he can hold down the fort. Offense needs to score 30+ though. No question about that. And they need Marcus back on D.

Posted by: LiberalMike | November 13, 2007 9:59 AM | Report abuse

What the Steelers did to Grimm was criminal. Told him he had the job, sent him home to tell his family he got it, then call him the next day to tell him they are going with Tomlin. Real class organization.

Posted by: LiberalMike | November 13, 2007 10:03 AM | Report abuse

I for one don't want double G as the next head coach. Let him walk if you ask me. Yes, he has done a better job this year but I am still not sold on him.

Posted by: jm220 | November 13, 2007 10:08 AM | Report abuse

CL, I don't think you could trade Betts for anything more than a 4-5th round pick at this point. Look at what Denver is doing at RB, they have an undrafted free agent starting for them. Not to mention that if you do that, you then have to either draft a rookie to replace him, or you end up with Cartwright as his backup.

I believe that the Redskins have a lot of needs, DE, OL, CB, that would be somewhat more of a priority than RB.

Oh, and firing Vinny, will happen right before Snyder sells the team.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | November 13, 2007 10:12 AM | Report abuse

gregmarino88 two things. Nothing wrong with getting a 4th for Betts and if I am not mistaken they have a young kid that look good at RB. If Coach Gibbs ask for Vinny to be gone I think he would be.

Posted by: jm220 | November 13, 2007 10:16 AM | Report abuse

JM, I appreciate your viewpoints. If all we're getting for Betts is a 4th round pick, then I'd just as well keep him. I know that Mason has 'potential' but at this point thats all he's got.

You might be right about Vinny, come to think of it. It would depend on whom Snyder values more, and I can't see him choosing Joe over Vinny.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | November 13, 2007 10:23 AM | Report abuse

First off, no way Saunders is the next HC of the Skins.

I don't want Grilliams as our next HC either although it's far more plausible than The Colonel.

I watched Grimm have some commentary on that "America's Game-82' Skins" show on NFL network and I was sold. That is a mean SOB and that's what this franchise needs.

Posted by: SeanTizzy2DaHizzy | November 13, 2007 10:37 AM | Report abuse

I don't remember what Betts' signing bonus was but I think it a pretty good amount. Trading or cutting someone 1 year into a contract with a big signing bonus usually doesn't work.

Posted by: SeanTizzy2DaHizzy | November 13, 2007 10:39 AM | Report abuse

OK keep Betts, fine...Were not "dreaming" on Grimm Libbymikey, I bet the house they aint makin Saunders HC and Grilliams maybe, but I tell you thise, we don't want him, would be disastor hire....If we are in the Market for HC I guarantee Grimm is on the short list, especially if Gibbs still has say...

Reasons for Grimm:

1. He is the right mix of similar philosophy combined with keen understanding of modern game.

2. Won superbowls as player and coach.

3. Turned Cardinal O-line from putrid to servicable in mere months and that is with losing L. Davis...

4. Has deep tradition in Washington, brings history plus new blood. That is potent combo.

5. So the steelers didnt hire him, so what...they wanted clean break from Cowher. Cowher loves Grimm, he made it impossible for him to leave and blocked him joining Gibbs staff (and believe you me if Grimm had come in as Gibbs 2.0 O cord from day 1 of "the return" we'd be humming right now)

6. Grimm has experience working for Snyder (under Norv) so its not gonna be a complete shock how F ed up it is (see Marty...)

7. Grimm's mentors: Gibbs, Bugel, Hannifan, Cower, Wisenhut....pretty good pedigre.

8. Dudes who get passed up for jobs 1, 2 times and finally get chance usually do good job, just b/c u dont get job doesnt mean you suck.

9. He is hungry b/c he hasnt gotten chance to be the man...do we want another retread? Heck no we want a hungry dude lookin to prove himself and test the theories that he has been working on for years.

10. His connection to area helps salvage hopes, PR, moral....

11. Means Bugel stays...

12. Former O lineman make good head coaches. Like catchers in baseball. See Andy Reid, John Madden, Mike Holmgren, there are others....

13. You dont have to pay him a ridiculous amount of money, so its just not a "payday" for some name coach

14....UM he rulz!


There are just a few reasons

Posted by: chrislarry | November 13, 2007 10:43 AM | Report abuse

I'd love to see Grimm here after next year when Gibbs's contract is up. All I'm saying is I think it is less likely than Williams or even Saunders. I would admit that, right now, its unlikely Saunders gets the job given the offensive production, but the O might be turning around so we'll see.

I have no doubts about Grimm's background, although lets not give him too much credit for working under Cowher. That guy got to coach in one place, a great football town, for 18 years and only won one ring? Pretty mediocre coach if you ask me.

Posted by: LiberalMike | November 13, 2007 10:50 AM | Report abuse

I, for one, am all for bringing Grimm in. An infusion of youth on this coaching staff would be great.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | November 13, 2007 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Damn! Way to bring the heat CL

Posted by: jm220 | November 13, 2007 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Remember how we used to complain about there being no consistency with our coaching and players having to adjust to new systems and styles every few years? Remember the post-Norv era? Remember Spurrier? Do we really want another coach right now? Nothing like a Steve Spurrier to make you wish Norv Turner was your head coach.

I'm not going to say I've never criticized Joe Gibbs (there are losers that go back to check on these things to beef up their arguments). I will say that as much as I am frustrated with a 5-4 team that could easily be 8-1... they could also easily be 1-8. All I'm saying is a new coach would not bring instant success.

On that note, I could probably coach the Cowboys to a winning season this year.

Posted by: Dorf | November 13, 2007 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Nothing like a Steve Spurrier to make you wish Norv Turner was your head coach.

Oh Dorf you have lost it. Even during the Spurrier years I never wanted a return of Nov. EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: jm220 | November 13, 2007 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Grimm wasn't hired in Pittsburgh for two reasons, neither of which are a reflection on him.

1. The Rooney Rule: If a rule is named after the owner of a franchise he is bound to follow it. He had to at least interview a couple minorities and it would have been seen as a token interview had he not hired someone.

2. Believing your own hype- They have a thing for hiring young guys picked from relative obscurity and making them coaches for 20 years. Grimm is older now and hardly obscure.

Those are the reasons that Grimm wasn't picked as HC.

Posted by: SeanTizzy2DaHizzy | November 13, 2007 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: bigfish | November 13, 2007 11:26 AM | Report abuse

IT'S DALLAS WEEK!!

No huddle, 4-wide to start the game! Never looking back! The 'girls won't know what hit 'em!

Yeah, yeah, too many injuries. Reaper is out...still leaves us with Area 5 and Lu for May!

Posted by: 4-12 | November 13, 2007 11:34 AM | Report abuse

SeanTizzy,

I have no problem with them not hiring him. I have a problem with them interviewing him, telling him he has the job and they just need to work out the contract, and then, after his family thinks they are staying in Pittburgh, pulling the rug out from under him.

Posted by: LiberalMike | November 13, 2007 11:39 AM | Report abuse

barring total colapse or health problems gibbs stays through at least next season....We are a team in transition but unlike transitions gone by we have stabilty of coaching and a young talented QB....it will take a mircle of epic porportions to win the superbowl....that of course is the ultimate goal of fan and team ..... but you have to be real .....Playmakers make great coaches not the other way round....once we get ours to make a few more plays you'll see things differently

Posted by: Oldschool | November 13, 2007 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Snider in the Examiner this morning probably has the best game advice for Gibbs this week.

I don't think it'll work, but it's worth a try...

http://www.examiner.com/a-1045001~It_s_time_for_Gibbs_to_go_all_in.html?cid=

Posted by: gdennie | November 13, 2007 11:42 AM | Report abuse

1. The Rooney Rule: If a rule is named after the owner of a franchise he is bound to follow it. He had to at least interview a couple minorities and it would have been seen as a token interview had he not hired someone.

I hope you really don't believe that. And does seem that the coach the hired is doing one hell of a job.

Posted by: jm220 | November 13, 2007 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Gibbs has become more conservative than a Bible Belt preacher.

LMGO! Now that is funny

Posted by: jm220 | November 13, 2007 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Chris Samuels on whether the team lacks a killer instinct: "I guess you can say that, to be honest. I hate to say that, but right now we've got to develop that and we've got to do it fast. We've got to learn how to put our foot on them and finish them, and until we do that we're not as good as we're supposed to be."

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2007/11/redskins_bonus_comments.html#more

Posted by: bigfish | November 13, 2007 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Can someone please tell me how in the ranking a team beat us and they jump 5-6 spots? We lose and we drop 5-6 spots while other team lose and they only drop 1-2 spots. I really don't understand why their is so much hate for this team.

Posted by: jm220 | November 13, 2007 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Not to be an Skins apologist but here are a few positive thoughts...not many but a few...

Yes, Gibbs is ultra conservative BUT - he tried an onsides kick two weeks ago (that was shocking) and opened up the offense last Sunday. Even let Jason go into a no huddle (equally shocking). Isn't this progess???

Incidentally, Jason said he loved the no huddle and that his offensive players did as well. Gibbs even said he was impressed with Jason in the no huddle.

I think one reason we have not been opening up the offense is due to the lack of WRs practicing. Since most of them are hurt, Jason gets no practice time with them and cannot develop a rhythm. On 980 this morning Jason said that Thrash has really been working hard with him.

Posted by: Lisa | November 13, 2007 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: bigfish | November 13, 2007 12:14 PM | Report abuse

On 980 this morning Jason said that Thrash has really been working hard with him.

Posted by: Lisa | November 13, 2007 12:09 PM

And now he is gone for at least this week probably. Why can Brandon Lloyd not do this? Maybe we'd actually be able to connect on that deep ball.

Posted by: cdubb | November 13, 2007 12:22 PM | Report abuse

"A Plano-based personal trainer will plead guilty Tuesday to a federal charge involving steroids.

David Jacobs was scheduled to appear in U.S. District Court at 10 a.m. for a change of plea hearing, according to his attorney Henry E. Hockeimer Jr. and federal court records. Mr. Hockeimer declined to comment further on the hearing.

As part of the plea deal, Mr. Jacobs told KTVT-TV he will tell federal investigators about professional athletes who use steroids. He did not identify any players, but his supplements store's Web site claims he offered guidance to Cowboys and Atlanta Falcons players."

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/cowboys/stories/111307dnspocowsteroids.3aff7e3.html

Posted by: bigfish | November 13, 2007 12:42 PM | Report abuse

cdubb, I understand that Lloyd stayed late a couple of days last week and practiced with Jason. Hopefully, he will do the same this week. Also heard Santana is expected to return to practice.

Posted by: Lisa | November 13, 2007 12:44 PM | Report abuse

I have a crush on Lisa. lol

Posted by: jm220 | November 13, 2007 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Can you guys tell I am doing no work? lol

Posted by: jm220 | November 13, 2007 12:49 PM | Report abuse

jm, at least you have your priorities in order. Everyone knows BYGO is more important than working.

Posted by: bigfish | November 13, 2007 12:53 PM | Report abuse

E in VB here....

One thing I noticed that JG mentioned he tries not to talk to AL ever in the middle of a series b/c he understand (having been a playcaller) that you don't need distractions... He admitted that he wanted to Run the ball on that last goalline series where they couldn't punch it in for a TD.. his thoughts: Run the ball to take time off the clock...

I wonder if Al is a bit too concerned to do something Joe won't like i.e. - throw the ball on 1st or 2nd down... vice being too conservative because his fear of upsetting JG... I wonder if there is a disconnect... Maybe JG is influencing Al's play calling more than he wants to...

I just can't fathom how they haven't made this thing work yet... I am still sick over this loss! I thought we could match up well with Dallas, but now with Sean Taylor OUT... I don't know how we're going to stop their passing attack!

Defensive strenth is dwindling! I'm afraid that our season is done w/out him the next few weeks!

rogers, smoot(bad hammy), Marcus, taylor... we can only fend off so much back there, before the damn breaks and the ship goes under!

Offense must carry this team the next few weeks if we're going to have shot at the playoffs!

Then again this may be a blessing in disguise, if they realize they must open up the offense since the defense can't be relied upon as much so there is no more room for the conservative play calling!

I hate to say it this early, but if we loose in Dallas and fall back to .500; put a fork in us! There ain't going to be an 05 stretch run like there was in 05 and I hope the players realize the sense of urgency...

There is not more slack on this rope and the noose is getting tighter & tighter with the way they keep hurting themselves in the divisional games!

I'm just sick!

Posted by: ericnelson77 | November 13, 2007 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Taylor and Sellers among most flagged players.

Skins O-line 2nd in the NFL (tied with Cowboys. MN 1st.) in holding calls since 2004.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=sando_mike&id=3102510

Posted by: bigfish | November 13, 2007 12:58 PM | Report abuse

jm220 - Norv had something going in 99, made it to the playoffs... then got fired. Schott was able to work with that talent and got to 8-8... then got fired. Spurrier was the 2nd coming of Christ and totally ruined the franchise. Gibbs takes over with no talent and a FA happy front office. Am I wrong in my team history? Limited draft picks and overpriced has-beens with depth that makes Miss Teen South Carolina look like a fountain of knowledge and you're left with Gibbs 2.0 waffling.

There are some minor details riddled throughout those few years, but all in all I really feel like Jack Kent Cooke dying was the end of our franchises success (like that logic-jump?)

JKC dies, Mr. Snyder takes over, all hell breaks loose. IMHO.

There's one thing you're right about, I have lost it!

Posted by: Dorf | November 13, 2007 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Lloyd staying after should be the least he needs to be doing.

I believe that the Redskins should try some intermediate range passes to him, to knock the rust off, instead of going deep to him twice, and then nothing else.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | November 13, 2007 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Eric, I agree with you. This loss killed our playoff chances. If we had won, we would be 6-3 with momentum going into the Dallas game. Now we have 0 momentum and are headed for a big loss....could be as bad as the Pats/Skins game. Philly, on the other hand, is playing Miami AT HOME and will catch up to us at 5-5.

Soooo depressing!

Posted by: Lisa | November 13, 2007 1:02 PM | Report abuse

E in VB here...

not sure if anyone else has noticed... but play by Mike Sellers has dropped off big time the last few weeks... he can't block, he can't run... what is his deal!

I've seen him miss a number of blocks the last couple of weeks that just look like lack of concentration or effort! and that dive effort to get the first down! Come on! Not the best idea!

Not blaming the loss on him, just saying!

Posted by: ericnelson77 | November 13, 2007 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Dorf Nov has a team with way more talent than any team he had here. Yet they play with same lack of emotion and fire. We just have to disagree on this one my friend.

Posted by: jm220 | November 13, 2007 1:07 PM | Report abuse

shucks, i was hoping for a smack to the back of my head...

humor me though, translate this for me:

"Nov has a team with way more talent than any team he had here."

Posted by: Dorf | November 13, 2007 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Dallas, Minnesota, and Washington have had the most holding penalties since 2004? Well... That makes sense.

I think along with Denver and KC, before Shields and Roaf retired, these teams probably had the best O-lines in the NFL.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 13, 2007 1:10 PM | Report abuse

No smack because you came with some valid points. The Chargers team he has now is miles better than any team he coach for the Skins. Yet if you watch that team they play with no emotion or energy. Go back and look at the teams he coached here and you will see the same thing.

Posted by: jm220 | November 13, 2007 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Come on "Debbie Downers". I look at the remainder of our schedule and I see only 3 games that we could lose. 2 vs the Boyz and 1 vs Jints. Then I factor in the chance that the Boyz will be sitting their starters in week 17 and the fact that LBM chokes in the 2nd half of the season so we still have a good shot at getting into the playoffs.

Lions have a tough schedule and started their downhill slide on Sunday vs the Cardinals. Saints aren't going anywhere. Philly still has to play the Pats, Seahawks, Jints, and Cowboys. Jints still have the Lions (could go either way), Pats and Skins among others and they have a QB that's only good in the 1st half of the season.

We may not ride into the playoffs on our chariots with wheels a burning and trumpets blasting but I'll take it any way we can get it.

KEEP HOPE ALIVE!!

Posted by: bigfish | November 13, 2007 1:14 PM | Report abuse

F Norv

Posted by: chrislarry | November 13, 2007 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 4-12 | November 13, 2007 1:15 PM | Report abuse

KEEP HOPE ALIVE!!

Posted by: bigfish | November 13, 2007 01:14 PM

I am somebody. I am somebody. Smack to the back of your head bigfish for quoting messy jesse jackson. lol

Posted by: jm220 | November 13, 2007 1:16 PM | Report abuse

E, I've noticed that as well, regarding Sellars. Vrabel ate him alive versus NE. Seems like he's run down, or hurt, and we don't know about it.

As far as this upcoming game goes, losing Taylor as well as Rogers, is going to be hard to overcome. Springs can somewhat handle TO, but then Crayton has an advantage over Smoot.

I think Gibbs might try and compensate for this by running the ball, and keeping their offense off the field, hopefully he doesn't try and win this game 3-0.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | November 13, 2007 1:17 PM | Report abuse

"but play by Mike Sellers has dropped off big time the last few weeks... he can't block, he can't run... what is his deal!"

I'm not making excuses for any pro football player, but at this time of the season players are nicked, bruised, and just flat out banged up. I think Sellars was really giving it 110% early in the season. On top of that he has been asked to do a little more than in previous years. More contact equals more nicks and bruises.

*End Cpt. Obvious*

Posted by: RedDMV | November 13, 2007 1:18 PM | Report abuse

jm217 - Aren't they headed in the right direction (Chargers)? Didn't they just beat Indy? I can't say what level of emotion or energy they're playing at, but their rough start can be due to the transition. That transition doesn't always happen (Cowboys), but I think they're on the up and up. The guy is an offensive mind... helped the Cowboys back in the day if I remember. He better hope he defense bunkers down, they got embarrassed by Adrian Peterson.

Its fun to talk about teams other than the Redskins... I think I'm going to join a Chargers blog.

Posted by: Dorf | November 13, 2007 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Finally I get a smack to the back of my head. I've been waiting months for this moment. I'd like to thank all my fans, haters, my mom and dad, the blogademy and most important the big man up top, Jasno, for making all of this possible.

Posted by: bigfish | November 13, 2007 1:20 PM | Report abuse

LMGO bigfish.

Posted by: jm220 | November 13, 2007 1:22 PM | Report abuse

"Death to the infidels!"

I'll just quote bomba Osama.

Posted by: RedDMV | November 13, 2007 1:25 PM | Report abuse

hopefully he doesn't try and win this game 3-0.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | November 13, 2007 01:17 PM

Like I said before I'll take it any way we can get it. Afterall this is Redskins vs Cowboys. Stranger things have happened.

Posted by: bigfish | November 13, 2007 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Trust me, Big, if we come out of there with a 3-0 victory, I'm happy as can be.

Did anyone happen to catch the Seattle game last night? They came out 4 wide, throwing the ball all over the place. I'd love to see us loosen the Boy's up with this type of offense. I'd love for Moss to have a breakout game this week too.

Posted by: gregmarino88 | November 13, 2007 1:47 PM | Report abuse

It could be worse guys:

Says Rams coach Scott Linehan of his son, "Marcus did tell me during the bye, he said, 'Dad, why don't you make game plans that work?' Honest to God, that's what my 7-year-old said."

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/rams/story/3F84350A29F8295E8625739200179DF9?OpenDocument

Posted by: daveskin | November 13, 2007 2:03 PM | Report abuse

More fuel for Dorf and jm.

POSTED 12:58 p.m. EST, November 13, 2007

LACK OF DISCIPLINE IN SAN DIEGO? by Michael David Smith

The story didn't get much attention, but Kevin Acee of the San Diego Union-Tribune reported on Sunday that some Chargers players stayed out past curfew last Friday in Minneapolis, 36 hours before the team turned in its worst performance of the season in a loss to the Vikings.

Jim Trotter of Sports Illustrated reported during an appearance today on ESPN First Take that one of those players was linebacker Shawne Merriman.

According to Acee, the team responded to the curfew violation by not only fining the players involved, but also firing director of security Mike Cash, whose job description includes overseeing the security guards on the players' floor at the team's hotel and ensuring that the players are in on time.

Whether or not there's any link between the players staying out late and their weak performance against the Vikings, this raises the question of whether there's enough discipline on the Chargers.

Marty Schottenheimer, the coach the Chargers fired after last season's 14-2 record and first-round playoff loss, is known for having a good relationship with his players but also for running a tight ship. Norv Turner, the coach brought in to replace Schottenheimer, doesn't have that reputation. Jerry Rice, who played for Turner on the Raiders, once said that Turner "had no control" over the team.

Neither Turner nor General Manager A.J. Smith (who made the decision to fire Cash), would discuss the curfew violations. But if the Turner-coached Chargers don't start playing more like last year's Schottenheimer-coached Chargers, the questions about whether there's enough discipline in San Diego are not going away.

Posted by: bigfish | November 13, 2007 2:05 PM | Report abuse

bigfish as I stated earlier same Norv. No thanks and give it a couple more games and Chargers fan will be saying the same thing.

Posted by: jm220 | November 13, 2007 2:10 PM | Report abuse

BEEP BEEP

Posted by: bigfish | November 13, 2007 2:15 PM | Report abuse

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